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Heavyweight fight: Round 12A wrap (Friday)

Round 12A wrap (Friday)

St Kilda went toe to toe with Carlton for 15 rounds and finally came out with hardfought nine-point win.

St Kilda Training SessionThe Blues were hampered by the late withdrawal of Bret Thornton and the continual bleeding of Chris Judd‘s broken nose, but were still in the game with two minutes to go. In the end, Brendan Fevola had to watch on as Zac Dawson demonstrated how to kick a vital goal under pressure.

I was interested to see how Carlton’s taggers would go against the undefeated Saints. Aaron Joseph continued his good form against Stephen Milne and Ryan Houlihan applied a forward tag to Sam Fisher but didn’t do much himself while Michael Jamison blanketed Justin Koschitzke. Paul Bower provided lots of rebound but Nick Riewoldt was too good when it counted most, kicking 5.3. Meanwhile Leigh Montagna (DT137/SC157), Lenny Hayes (135/125) and Nick Dal Santo (111/135) seemed to run free, racking up 100 disposals between them. With so many of their better players doing well, it was surprising the Saints won by so little.

Brett Ratten’s use of Bryce Gibbs must puzzle Carlton fans and drive his fantasy coaches mad. With the Saints dominating early in the first quarter, Gibbs sat in a forward pocket getting cold.

For fantasy coaches, there was good and bad news. Popular St Kilda premium players pumped out magnificent scores and Sam Gilbert (94/101) returned from injury to continue his mopping up role in defence. On the Carlton side there were no DT tons and only 1 SC ton, with Bower putting up his fifth SC ton of the season. Fantasy coaches will have two weeks to ponder the future of Houlihan (43/45) and Jarryn Geary (16/14). A few weeks ago coaches may have had the vain hope that these players may turn into low-end keepers for the rest of the season. With trades running low, coaches have to consider whether they can afford to trade these players. Houlihan may struggle to remain in the team making a decision on him a little easier.

Did you see the writing on the wall for Houlihan and Geary and trade them out? Will they stay in the team and return to form? Are you one of the 50,000 coaches who are frustrated with the modest scores by Gibbs?



  1. Locky27

    June 13, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Can anyone explain Reiwoldt’s SC score? According to Herald Sun he was 132 at 3/4 time. He finished on 132 despite 1 mark, 1 free for, 2 long kicks to contests and 1 handball in the final quarter, with no clangers and no frees against.
    Something seems a little wrong with Champion Data’s scoring here…

  2. Disco DB

    June 13, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    I wasn’t expecting such a shower score from Howlerhan, but I held him this week coz the timing wasn’t right (had to get in Volt/Kane!). But he’s defenitely gone this week for Hodge, which will be a sideways trade, funnily enough.

    @Locky27 – the half time score was over-estimated(?).

  3. pedro_0952

    June 13, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Lock27 i had the same confusion last nite but if someone said before the game roo would rack up 132 i would have taken it 😉

    I believe Marc Murphy also racked up a SC ton John. Scored 105

  4. pedro_0952

    June 13, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    and eddie betts scored 112 to make 3 SC tons from the blues

  5. Locky27

    June 13, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    pedro_0952, yeah i know. but i would have liked more, especially considering more was justified 🙂

  6. tbetta

    June 13, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Locky27, the reason why he only got 132 overall is because the SC scores are scaled. His raw SC score at end 0f Q3 may have been 132, and im sure his final SC raw score would have been higher, but champion data has to take into account everyones final scores before they scale.

  7. Locky27

    June 13, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    then it looks like we need another fantasy comp that awards contested possession and effective disposal without scaling

  8. flame

    June 13, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    I just bought I hope his modest scores improve..

  9. Gecko

    June 13, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Yes, the scaling can make it frustrating to predict the scores, but… without the scaling a low scoring, scrappy game played in the wet or high winds might be worth less points than one played elsewhere in ideal conditions. Or other factors too – such as the different ground sizes – would impact player’s stats and hence scores.

  10. twobeaus

    June 13, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Scores in Supercoach are actually weighted depending on circumstances of the game. For example, junk time stats that occur when the game is effectively over, count for little. where as stats that occur when the game is up for grabs when both sides are fair dinkum are given a higher weighting. this better reflects a players influence on a game, which partly explains why players such as judd and hodge score much better in SC than DT

  11. Disco DB

    June 14, 2009 at 6:45 am

    wow, Volt 124, Kane 130, well coached me.

  12. SimonOz

    June 14, 2009 at 10:46 am

    LOL Disco……

    No GAJ ? Simple……give Montagna the C = 157 pts.

    Well coached me too !


  13. hairydog84

    June 15, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    sam gilbert is my best pick this year got him well b4 season started

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