WXV Trade Talk

[Purple 77]

Updated spreadsheet:

WXV Current Lists

Still willing to hear suggestions for any add-ons to it :)

Not sure if it's just me but the link doesn't appear to be working for me?

Is it possible that instead of having the weeks listed as "BYE 1" or "BYE 2" could you please just inlcude all the weeks? So weeks 11, 12, 13?

Thanks.  :)

Don't know what to tell ya for the link... I assume you put your email address in and requested a link to it?

The BYE 1 and BYE 2 things are easily enough reverted, I just had it that way for my master spreadsheet, and was too lazy to change it back :P

Will change it next update :)

[meow meow]

Hey Purps, could you include 2014 averages and games played too if you've got them? Even 2012, 2013 would be good to see if you've got those too.

[Purple 77]

Hey Purps, could you include 2014 averages and games played too if you've got them? Even 2012, 2013 would be good to see if you've got those too.

Will see what I can do :)

I hope it doesn't get too convoluted for the non-excel regulars though... if it does, I could say, have one sheet with the basics, and and another sheet with the extra info?


Will see how it looks first I guess.

[DazBurg]

Tom Lynch still available
before ppl sit there and say we expect too much for him etc etc
his worth it
just hit 25 so entering prime ave 88 at the crows with Tex and betts int he side

last season take away sub games and ave 80 (last game  scored 83 when subbed in 2nd qtr neck injury out for season)

year before at 23 ave 79

so pretty much 3 seasons of 80 ave (yes only played 8 games last year but injury not his fault)

[meow meow]

There's a far easier way of voting on fairness of trades. It would be heaps easier to resolve failed trades too. Trades would still go to a vote, but instead of voting on indidual trades people vote on what every player is worth in terms of a draft pick. That's the only thing people would ever have to vote on.

Sandi and Gibbs for Rocky and Sicily last year.

Everyone votes on what Sandi is worth in terms of a pick, factoring in average, age, potential, job security. Take the average. There's your points value. Some say he's worth pick 15, other say he's a run down injury prone old man and say pick 20. Lets say the average for Sandi was pick 17.

Gibbs pick 1.

Rocky picks 1 and 2.

Sicily pick 45.

Sandi = 1025 points
Gibbs = 3000

Rocky = 3000 + 2517
Sicily = 347

4025 vs 5864

2 best XV starters vs 1 has to attract a premium, such as a 1.5 multiplier.

6037.5 vs 5864

As long as trades are within say 10-15% they pass. If not, one team has to add the extra points value.



Too complicated for people on here probably.

[meow meow]

Easiest example ever.

Moscow gives: Pick 21 and Sam Kerridge
Beijing gives: Picks 14 and 30

Picks 14 and 30 are worth 1161 and 629. 1790
Pick 21 worth 878.

912 leftover points, which is exactly what pick 20 is worth. Was Kerridge worth pick 20 then? Seemed about right at the time.

[Holz]

Why is there a multiplier for 2 starters. Starters are easy to find, superstars are rare. If anything you need a multiplier the other way.

[meow meow]

Why is there a multiplier for 2 starters. Starters are easy to find, superstars are rare. If anything you need a multiplier the other way.

A package of Swan at pick 15, Sandi at pick 17, Bartel at pick 18, NRoo at pick 20 has a huge impact on the immediate fortunes of a WXV team and that has to be factored in doesn't it? The fact that Mackie was swapped for pick 10 means that the immediate impact on WXV teams attracts a premium, no way he's worth that in reality. Long term seems to be worth significantly less than short term in WXV.

If I traded Gibbs for Shaw and Picken would that go down well? I doubt it. Gibbs has 6 seasons left while Shaw and Picken have 3 each so in reality its 6 vs 6 and even. Maybe 1.5 is too high. 1.25 might be enough.

[meow meow]

@1.25 it would be 5031.25 vs 5864. That's more likely, I'm going to get slaughtered long term in the Rocky trade and according to this it shouldn't have passed. Mexico City owe me and you people should have listened to Holz.

[meow meow]

^ I'm going to use this system for working out trades from now on. Prepare for an in depth analysis when discussing trades with me from now on.

[Holz]

Why is there a multiplier for 2 starters. Starters are easy to find, superstars are rare. If anything you need a multiplier the other way.

A package of Swan at pick 15, Sandi at pick 17, Bartel at pick 18, NRoo at pick 20 has a huge impact on the immediate fortunes of a WXV team and that has to be factored in doesn't it? The fact that Mackie was swapped for pick 10 means that the immediate impact on WXV teams attracts a premium, no way he's worth that in reality. Long term seems to be worth significantly less than short term in WXV.

If I traded Gibbs for Shaw and Picken would that go down well? I doubt it. Gibbs has 6 seasons left while Shaw and Picken have 3 each so in reality its 6 vs 6 and even. Maybe 1.5 is too high. 1.25 might be enough.

however in the mentioned trade isnt Sandi like 2 years left, Gibbs about 6 and Rocky about 6.

I would happily trade Murphy NDS Thompson for just one gun under 28

[DazBurg]

There's a far easier way of voting on fairness of trades. It would be heaps easier to resolve failed trades too. Trades would still go to a vote, but instead of voting on indidual trades people vote on what every player is worth in terms of a draft pick. That's the only thing people would ever have to vote on.

Sandi and Gibbs for Rocky and Sicily last year.

Everyone votes on what Sandi is worth in terms of a pick, factoring in average, age, potential, job security. Take the average. There's your points value. Some say he's worth pick 15, other say he's a run down injury prone old man and say pick 20. Lets say the average for Sandi was pick 17.

Gibbs pick 1.

Rocky picks 1 and 2.

Sicily pick 45.

Sandi = 1025 points
Gibbs = 3000

Rocky = 3000 + 2517
Sicily = 347

4025 vs 5864

2 best XV starters vs 1 has to attract a premium, such as a 1.5 multiplier.

6037.5 vs 5864

As long as trades are within say 10-15% they pass. If not, one team has to add the extra points value.



Too complicated for people on here probably.

ok i'm going to be the dumb one here

but how are the numbers thought up?
i get your going by picks but how do you give point value to them?

[RaisyDaisy]

Surprised at how quiet things are around here compared to last year

I want to talk trades and we've got a pretty good list now with plenty of players that surely interest teams - hit me up!  ;D



Due to cap space, am particularly interested in players with low cap points (due to injury, rookies etc) but open to all options :)

[meow meow]

ok i'm going to be the dumb one here

but how are the numbers thought up?
i get your going by picks but how do you give point value to them?

Oh sorry, I didn't mention that we'd use the same point value as the new AFL academy/father-son points valuation. It makes sense.



As you can see folks, my picks 26 and 46 are worth pick 17 so if anyone wants them as part of a deal with one of my other players let me know because I have to trim my list a little.

[meow meow]

however in the mentioned trade isnt Sandi like 2 years left, Gibbs about 6 and Rocky about 6.

That is what you factor in when deciding what a player is worth, the same as everyone does now anyway. If you think a trade involving picks 1 and 2 is fair value for Rocky then that's what you say. If you think he's worth three number 1 draft picks thats what you say. Most people wouldn't trade Rocky for picks 1 and 2 but if Rocky was to be traded you just have to say what he's worth in terms of picks.

In a two for four deal for example you could even leave out the main players and only put a value on the difference between the two. Lets say it was Rocky and Bob for Marc Murphy, David Mundy, NDS and Michael Walters. The main players are Rocky and Murphy. Say the difference between them is pick 3. Bob worth pick 20. Mundy worth pick 20. NDS worth pick 20. Walters worth pick 10. Do the sums and see if it adds up.

Pick 3 + 20 vs 20, 20, 10

2234 vs 1824.

Team 2 needs to give more but Team 2 gets the immediate advantage of 4 players for 2 so the 1.25 is applied.

2234 vs 2280.

Passed. Throw in pick 69 if you want to make it dead even.