Quote from: meow meow on July 13, 2015, 06:59:23 PM
I've compiled my shopping list for the offseason in my head already. Got 4 players in mind but I'm sure that will swell to about 70 by the end of the season. The bias will flow so if you want to rip me off then offer up your Dogs.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 13, 2015, 07:59:56 PMQuote from: meow meow on July 13, 2015, 06:59:23 PM
I've compiled my shopping list for the offseason in my head already. Got 4 players in mind but I'm sure that will swell to about 70 by the end of the season. The bias will flow so if you want to rip me off then offer up your Dogs.
I was cursing myself when I traded Hunter and Honeychurch just before you took over Christchurch ::)
I guess I have Redpath? :P
Also, unless your name is Jesse Hogan, Angus Brayshaw or Dom Tyson, I've detached all my melbourne bias on all others so don't go offering them to me expecting an overpay :P
Quote from: Holz on July 13, 2015, 08:03:04 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on July 13, 2015, 07:59:56 PMQuote from: meow meow on July 13, 2015, 06:59:23 PM
I've compiled my shopping list for the offseason in my head already. Got 4 players in mind but I'm sure that will swell to about 70 by the end of the season. The bias will flow so if you want to rip me off then offer up your Dogs.
I was cursing myself when I traded Hunter and Honeychurch just before you took over Christchurch ::)
I guess I have Redpath? :P
Also, unless your name is Jesse Hogan, Angus Brayshaw or Dom Tyson, I've detached all my melbourne bias on all others so don't go offering them to me expecting an overpay :P
Gotta love Tommy mac though.
Quote from: meow meow on July 13, 2015, 08:07:25 PM
Vandenberg any chance of gaining forward DPP?
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 13, 2015, 07:59:56 PMnathan jones is amused and mortified at the same time :PQuote from: meow meow on July 13, 2015, 06:59:23 PM
I've compiled my shopping list for the offseason in my head already. Got 4 players in mind but I'm sure that will swell to about 70 by the end of the season. The bias will flow so if you want to rip me off then offer up your Dogs.
I was cursing myself when I traded Hunter and Honeychurch just before you took over Christchurch ::)
I guess I have Redpath? :P
Also, unless your name is Jesse Hogan, Angus Brayshaw or Dom Tyson, I've detached all my melbourne bias on all others so don't go offering them to me expecting an overpay :P
Quote from: elephants on July 13, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
Everyone bar Andrew Gaff is on the table, wouldn't even take Pendles AND Fyfe for the ledge.
Quote from: elephants on July 13, 2015, 08:15:26 PMwoah woah woah. Lets not say things we may regret later
Everyone bar Andrew Gaff is on the table, wouldn't even take Pendles AND Fyfe for the ledge.
Quote from: AaronKirk on July 13, 2015, 08:44:22 PMthat does not exist :P...lol
We need a quality ruckman.
Preferably one that does not cost a fortune.....
Quote from: AaronKirk on July 13, 2015, 08:44:22 PM
We need a quality ruckman.
Preferably one that does not cost a fortune.....
Quote from: Ricochet on July 13, 2015, 08:51:11 PMQuote from: elephants on July 13, 2015, 08:15:26 PMwoah woah woah. Lets not say things we may regret later
Everyone bar Andrew Gaff is on the table, wouldn't even take Pendles AND Fyfe for the ledge.
Quote from: meow meow on July 13, 2015, 09:05:14 PM
Wilbur is the only ruck that you need.
Quote from: AaronKirk on July 13, 2015, 08:44:22 PM
We need a quality ruckman.
Preferably one that does not cost a fortune.....
Quote from: elephants on July 13, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
Everyone bar Andrew Gaff is on the table, wouldn't even take Pendles AND Fyfe for the ledge.
Quote from: Holz on July 13, 2015, 09:15:08 PMQuote from: elephants on July 13, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
Everyone bar Andrew Gaff is on the table, wouldn't even take Pendles AND Fyfe for the ledge.
you wold take Goldy though ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on July 13, 2015, 08:51:11 PMQuote from: elephants on July 13, 2015, 08:15:26 PMwoah woah woah. Lets not say things we may regret later
Everyone bar Andrew Gaff is on the table, wouldn't even take Pendles AND Fyfe for the ledge.
Quote from: AaronKirk on July 13, 2015, 08:44:22 PMWell I was gonna offer up Shaun Hampson, but he's not gonna come cheap...
We need a quality ruckman.
Preferably one that does not cost a fortune.....
Quote from: JROO8 on July 14, 2015, 02:10:35 AMQuote from: AaronKirk on July 13, 2015, 08:44:22 PMWell I was gonna offer up Shaun Hampson, but he's not gonna come cheap...
We need a quality ruckman.
Preferably one that does not cost a fortune.....
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 14, 2015, 10:54:28 AM
And, with Stefan Martin, Mark Blicavs, Billy Longer and Peter Wright on our books we're probably the one team who can afford to trade a playing ruckman. Although they won't come cheap...
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 14, 2015, 11:09:26 AMQuote from: Memphistopheles on July 14, 2015, 10:54:28 AM
And, with Stefan Martin, Mark Blicavs, Billy Longer and Peter Wright on our books we're probably the one team who can afford to trade a playing ruckman. Although they won't come cheap...
Seeing as we gave you Blicavs for such a good deal (in hindsight), surely we get first crack at a ruck ;)
Quote from: Jayman on July 14, 2015, 11:41:30 AM
If you want forwards, you know where to go.. ;)
Quote from: Jayman on July 14, 2015, 11:41:30 AM
If you want forwards, you know where to go.. ;)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 14, 2015, 11:50:03 AMM. Bontempelli, T. Mitchell, D. Smith, J. Martin, J. Blair, R. Stanley, B. Howlett, A. Tomlinson, S. Day, M. Taberner, M. Leuenberger (assuming he receives fwd status)Quote from: Jayman on July 14, 2015, 11:41:30 AM
If you want forwards, you know where to go.. ;)
We need some consistent best XV forwards. Who've you got available?
Quote from: Ricochet on July 14, 2015, 12:03:53 PMNot alone there.
Fairly certain I'm going to lose my mind before trade period even opens. I want to trade now god dammit
Quote from: Nige on July 14, 2015, 12:08:28 PMWait, we're making offers already??Quote from: Ricochet on July 14, 2015, 12:03:53 PMNot alone there.
Fairly certain I'm going to lose my mind before trade period even opens. I want to trade now god dammit
Holz took about 30 seconds to PM me after I made my post. :P
Quote from: JROO8 on July 14, 2015, 12:13:07 PMNah, his bones are weak as flower
Anyone want Tom Rockliff, he wants to move clubs again ::)
Quote from: JROO8 on July 14, 2015, 12:13:07 PM
Anyone want Tom Rockliff, he wants to move clubs again ::)
Quote from: JROO8 on July 14, 2015, 12:13:07 PMWe've got Beams and Hanley, so yeah, why not?
Anyone want Tom Rockliff, he wants to move clubs again ::)
Quote from: meow meow on July 14, 2015, 12:00:57 PMYeah that's worst case scenario. But I'll still be happy with those boys sitting in our mids if it comes to that :D
Don't like Bont and Mitchell's chances of being forwards next year.
Quote from: JROO8 on July 14, 2015, 12:13:07 PM
Anyone want Tom Rockliff, he wants to move clubs again ::)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 14, 2015, 12:30:31 PMNot gonna happen, it was a joke. :P
I'm not sure about an open trade window - you certainly wouldn't want to have it towards the end of the year when some teams can trade young guns for premos to help win finals (or once a team realises they are out of finals).
But, perhaps a restricted mid-season window could work (can only trade if you have a Bext XV LTI or can only trade a max of two players in or out).
Quote from: roo boys! on July 14, 2015, 12:33:24 PMMids on the table? We'll be chatting. 8)
With Crisp and Ziebell likely to lose DPP, Pav retiring and the outside chance I may be able to play Hendo down back again, looks like I'm going to need a whole new forward line!
Mids will be on the table
Also it's getting tricky carrying Swallow, Cunnington, Ziebell and Macmillan as north don't win enough for all 4 to score well every week. Hence I might have to bring myself to part with one of them, and seeing as Macmilan is one of the best defenders in the game I can't see myself getting rid of him
Quote from: Nige on July 14, 2015, 12:35:29 PMQuote from: roo boys! on July 14, 2015, 12:33:24 PMMids on the table? We'll be chatting. 8)
With Crisp and Ziebell likely to lose DPP, Pav retiring and the outside chance I may be able to play Hendo down back again, looks like I'm going to need a whole new forward line!
Mids will be on the table
Also it's getting tricky carrying Swallow, Cunnington, Ziebell and Macmillan as north don't win enough for all 4 to score well every week. Hence I might have to bring myself to part with one of them, and seeing as Macmilan is one of the best defenders in the game I can't see myself getting rid of him
Quote from: roo boys! on July 14, 2015, 12:56:11 PM
Just out of interest when do the first indications of DPP changes usually come about?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on July 14, 2015, 02:36:54 PM
Anyone from Seoul can move except Danger, Swallow, Greene
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
Quote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 03:22:49 PMPlayers for draft picksQuote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
how do I possibly get under the cap than?
can you give me an example trade that I can do that doesnt hurt the balance of the comp and doesnt bring me further over the cap. Without resorting to picking up injured players.
Quote from: Ricochet on July 14, 2015, 03:26:52 PMQuote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 03:22:49 PMPlayers for draft picksQuote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
how do I possibly get under the cap than?
can you give me an example trade that I can do that doesnt hurt the balance of the comp and doesnt bring me further over the cap. Without resorting to picking up injured players.
Quote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 03:29:45 PMQuote from: Ricochet on July 14, 2015, 03:26:52 PMQuote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 03:22:49 PMPlayers for draft picksQuote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
how do I possibly get under the cap than?
can you give me an example trade that I can do that doesnt hurt the balance of the comp and doesnt bring me further over the cap. Without resorting to picking up injured players.
actually that's a decent call. I would like to but I only have 20 playing fully fit and I'm down to 16 players this week.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:33:20 PMQuote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 03:29:45 PMQuote from: Ricochet on July 14, 2015, 03:26:52 PMQuote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 03:22:49 PMPlayers for draft picksQuote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
how do I possibly get under the cap than?
can you give me an example trade that I can do that doesnt hurt the balance of the comp and doesnt bring me further over the cap. Without resorting to picking up injured players.
actually that's a decent call. I would like to but I only have 20 playing fully fit and I'm down to 16 players this week.
Have you been counting van Berlo and Jetta in these players playing? I've noticed you haven't in the past.
These are exactly the sorts of players you can get rid of without batting an eye lid that will reduce your cap by 1227 points (and counting).
You are then free to pursue players that cost more in the cap.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
Quote from: Jukes on July 14, 2015, 03:48:22 PMLevi Greenwood back this week!Quote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
And let's not forget the classic "screwing over Jukes reason" to neg trades eh
Quote from: Toga on July 14, 2015, 04:20:42 PMAll you need is Warnock to complete the trio
Will probably be looking for forwards and mids! We do have the Carlton duo of Kreuz and Wood, and big bad Brodie Grundy who could be up for grabs for the right price... But we'll see ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on July 14, 2015, 04:45:38 PMQuote from: Toga on July 14, 2015, 04:20:42 PMAll you need is Warnock to complete the trio
Will probably be looking for forwards and mids! We do have the Carlton duo of Kreuz and Wood, and big bad Brodie Grundy who could be up for grabs for the right price... But we'll see ;)
Quote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 04:38:16 PMYeah I'm definitely guilty of this...not necessarily an attachment but I always watch them a lot more closely than other players when I'm watching a game and hence I always feel they have potential scoring ability above their average
I have discovered a problem, everyone has an attachment to their players and is over pricing them.
you need to see them like a bunch of numbers like I do.
except Goldy <3 <3 <3
Goldy would move but only to improve my team and that would require an amazing offer.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
Quote from: DazBurg on July 14, 2015, 05:08:52 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
hey call this Bias cause we are 2nd atm
but it should go solely on ladder
reason being is we all know a lot of luck goes into it and Berlin are 7th but 3rd highest scorer :P
Quote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
I have discovered a problem, everyone has an attachment to their players and is over pricing them.
you need to see them like a bunch of numbers like I do.
except Goldy <3 <3 <3
Goldy would move but only to improve my team and that would require an amazing offer.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 14, 2015, 05:16:11 PMQuote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
I have discovered a problem, everyone has an attachment to their players and is over pricing them.
you need to see them like a bunch of numbers like I do.
except Goldy <3 <3 <3
Goldy would move but only to improve my team and that would require an amazing offer.
Who needs Goldy.
Smarty and Blicavs ftw
Two ruck starters and and one a handy, handy M/R.
Quote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 05:18:48 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on July 14, 2015, 05:16:11 PMQuote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
I have discovered a problem, everyone has an attachment to their players and is over pricing them.
you need to see them like a bunch of numbers like I do.
except Goldy <3 <3 <3
Goldy would move but only to improve my team and that would require an amazing offer.
Who needs Goldy.
Smarty and Blicavs ftw
Two ruck starters and and one a handy, handy M/R.
do yours average 120+ though and have gone 140 in the last 6 rounds.
Quote from: Holz on July 14, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
I have discovered a problem, everyone has an attachment to their players and is over pricing them.
you need to see them like a bunch of numbers like I do.
except Goldy <3 <3 <3
Goldy would move but only to improve my team and that would require an amazing offer.
Quote from: Vinny on July 14, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
If anyone has a solid ruck on offer, please hit me up.
Only guys off the table are Easton Wood, Andy Brayshaw, Mitch Wallis and Taylor Adams.
I've got plenty of depth to offer.
Since Nails is a useless flower and has abandoned the team and won't reply to PMs, don't hit him up..thanks Nails!
Quote from: Jukes on July 14, 2015, 03:48:22 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
And let's not forget the classic "screwing over Jukes reason" to neg trades eh
Quote from: roo boys! on July 14, 2015, 04:18:45 PMQuote from: Jukes on July 14, 2015, 03:48:22 PMLevi Greenwood back this week!Quote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
And let's not forget the classic "screwing over Jukes reason" to neg trades eh
Quote from: DazBurg on July 14, 2015, 05:54:56 PMQuote from: Jukes on July 14, 2015, 03:48:22 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Also, beware of trading with the top 1-4 clubs... basically, if you give them a gun, it will be scrutinised. Obviously if it's something like, oh I dunno, Dangerfield for Sloane, where the top team is also giving away a gun, then it will more than likely succeed.
Remember, when it comes to negging trades, "Balance of Comp" is a legitimate reason.
Besides, ossie is the trade administrator anyway, so not my problem :P
And let's not forget the classic "screwing over Jukes reason" to neg trades eh
LOL made to turn a 4th rounder into a 2nd rounder for 1 trade and screams bloody murder for the rest of our days :P
Quote from: Vinny on July 14, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
If anyone has a solid ruck on offer, please hit me up.
Only guys off the table are Easton Wood, Andy Brayshaw, Mitch Wallis and Taylor Adams.
I've got plenty of depth to offer.
Since Nails is a useless flower and has abandoned the team and won't reply to PMs, don't hit him up..thanks Nails!
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 14, 2015, 07:18:34 PMHahaha shower.Quote from: Vinny on July 14, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
If anyone has a solid ruck on offer, please hit me up.
Only guys off the table are Easton Wood, Andy Brayshaw, Mitch Wallis and Taylor Adams.
I've got plenty of depth to offer.
Since Nails is a useless flower and has abandoned the team and won't reply to PMs, don't hit him up..thanks Nails!
Cool, I'll take Angus from you then ;)
Quote from: Levi434 on July 15, 2015, 11:01:49 AMRory Thompson?
If you have Gold Coast players send me a PM will make a good deal.
Quote from: Levi434 on July 15, 2015, 11:01:49 AM
If you have Gold Coast players send me a PM will make a good deal.
Quote from: Vinny on July 15, 2015, 02:33:04 PM
If someone wants Brayshaw or Taylor Adams, hit me up with a good offer!
Quote from: ossie85 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AMpretty much this
*posts so this comes up in feed*
Quote from: Levi434 on July 15, 2015, 11:01:49 AM
If you have Gold Coast players send me a PM will make a good deal.
Quote from: My Chumps on July 17, 2015, 07:07:48 PMHow much is Memph? Really interested in recruiting him over to a winning team :P.Quote from: ossie85 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AMpretty much this
*posts so this comes up in feed*
Cobras happy to listen to offers on just about anybody.
Quote from: Hellopplz on July 18, 2015, 02:10:05 AMHa! Not for sale :PQuote from: My Chumps on July 17, 2015, 07:07:48 PMHow much is Memph? Really interested in recruiting him over to a winning team :P.Quote from: ossie85 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AMpretty much this
*posts so this comes up in feed*
Cobras happy to listen to offers on just about anybody.
Quote from: My Chumps on July 19, 2015, 02:04:44 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on July 18, 2015, 02:10:05 AMHa! Not for sale :PQuote from: My Chumps on July 17, 2015, 07:07:48 PMHow much is Memph? Really interested in recruiting him over to a winning team :P.Quote from: ossie85 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AMpretty much this
*posts so this comes up in feed*
Cobras happy to listen to offers on just about anybody.
Quote from: DazBurg on July 19, 2015, 02:14:38 PMA forfeit win when we play next and your whole forward line #sorrymemphQuote from: My Chumps on July 19, 2015, 02:04:44 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on July 18, 2015, 02:10:05 AMHa! Not for sale :PQuote from: My Chumps on July 17, 2015, 07:07:48 PMHow much is Memph? Really interested in recruiting him over to a winning team :P.Quote from: ossie85 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AMpretty much this
*posts so this comes up in feed*
Cobras happy to listen to offers on just about anybody.
not even willing to negotiate? lol
Quote from: My Chumps on July 19, 2015, 02:37:43 PMQuote from: DazBurg on July 19, 2015, 02:14:38 PMA forfeit win when we play next and your whole forward line #sorrymemphQuote from: My Chumps on July 19, 2015, 02:04:44 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on July 18, 2015, 02:10:05 AMHa! Not for sale :PQuote from: My Chumps on July 17, 2015, 07:07:48 PMHow much is Memph? Really interested in recruiting him over to a winning team :P.Quote from: ossie85 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AMpretty much this
*posts so this comes up in feed*
Cobras happy to listen to offers on just about anybody.
not even willing to negotiate? lol
Quote from: DazBurg on July 19, 2015, 02:40:56 PMQuote from: My Chumps on July 19, 2015, 02:37:43 PMQuote from: DazBurg on July 19, 2015, 02:14:38 PMA forfeit win when we play next and your whole forward line #sorrymemphQuote from: My Chumps on July 19, 2015, 02:04:44 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on July 18, 2015, 02:10:05 AMHa! Not for sale :PQuote from: My Chumps on July 17, 2015, 07:07:48 PMHow much is Memph? Really interested in recruiting him over to a winning team :P.Quote from: ossie85 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AMpretty much this
*posts so this comes up in feed*
Cobras happy to listen to offers on just about anybody.
not even willing to negotiate? lol
pffft come on MC do you know who your dealing with?
asking anyone else it is hard enough to get 1 player out of me let alone the whole fwdline #sorerymemphyoustay
lol
Quote from: Holz on July 20, 2015, 03:51:17 PM
I was banking on pick 20
so 19 is a nice surprise.
Quote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 03:58:32 PMQuote from: Holz on July 20, 2015, 03:51:17 PM
I was banking on pick 20
so 19 is a nice surprise.
It'll change after finals so you'll have pick 18 at the latest.
Quote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
Yeah Rocky is going to pull out a 188 in the GF and get Mexico City the premiership so pick 18 shall be all yours.
Quote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
Based on current ladder positions...
1 New Delhi Tigers
2 New Delhi Tigers
3 Buenos Aires Armadillos
4 Cairo Sands
5 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
6 Seoul Magpies
7 Beijing Thunder
8 London Royals
9 Tokyo Samurai
10 Cape Town Cobras
11 Toronto Wolves
12 New York Revolution
13 Pacific Islanders
14 Berlin Brewers
15 Moscow Spetnaz
16 Christchurch Saints
17 Mexico City Suns
18 Paris Nice Lyon
19 Dublin Destroyers
20 Buenos Aires Armadillos
21 Cairo Sands
22 New Delhi Tigers
23 Buenos Aires Armadillos
24 Cairo Sands
25 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
26 Seoul Magpies
27 Beijing Thunder
28 London Royals
29 Tokyo Samurai
30 Cape Town Cobras
31 Toronto Wolves
32 New York Revolution
33 Pacific Islanders
34 Berlin Brewers
35 Moscow Spetnaz
36 Christchurch Saints
37 Mexico City Suns
38 Paris Nice Lyon
39 Dublin Destroyers
Quote from: Holz on July 20, 2015, 04:18:02 PMQuote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
Yeah Rocky is going to pull out a 188 in the GF and get Mexico City the premiership so pick 18 shall be all yours.
Its certainly a possibility. Certainly makes it tough when one of the strongest teams very suspiciously got given one of the biggest gifts in Worlds history.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 04:18:11 PMAlways happy to talk mateQuote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
Based on current ladder positions...
1 New Delhi Tigers
2 New Delhi Tigers
3 Buenos Aires Armadillos
4 Cairo Sands
5 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
6 Seoul Magpies
7 Beijing Thunder
8 London Royals
9 Tokyo Samurai
10 Cape Town Cobras
11 Toronto Wolves
12 New York Revolution
13 Pacific Islanders
14 Berlin Brewers
15 Moscow Spetnaz
16 Christchurch Saints
17 Mexico City Suns
18 Paris Nice Lyon
19 Dublin Destroyers
20 Buenos Aires Armadillos
21 Cairo Sands
22 New Delhi Tigers
23 Buenos Aires Armadillos
24 Cairo Sands
25 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
26 Seoul Magpies
27 Beijing Thunder
28 London Royals
29 Tokyo Samurai
30 Cape Town Cobras
31 Toronto Wolves
32 New York Revolution
33 Pacific Islanders
34 Berlin Brewers
35 Moscow Spetnaz
36 Christchurch Saints
37 Mexico City Suns
38 Paris Nice Lyon
39 Dublin Destroyers
Getting in early - if you're going to trade a pick in the Top 20 then we're interested.
I'm looking at you New Delhi, Buenos Aires and Cairo...
Quote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2015, 05:38:29 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 04:18:11 PMAlways happy to talk mateQuote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
Based on current ladder positions...
1 New Delhi Tigers
2 New Delhi Tigers
3 Buenos Aires Armadillos
4 Cairo Sands
5 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
6 Seoul Magpies
7 Beijing Thunder
8 London Royals
9 Tokyo Samurai
10 Cape Town Cobras
11 Toronto Wolves
12 New York Revolution
13 Pacific Islanders
14 Berlin Brewers
15 Moscow Spetnaz
16 Christchurch Saints
17 Mexico City Suns
18 Paris Nice Lyon
19 Dublin Destroyers
20 Buenos Aires Armadillos
21 Cairo Sands
22 New Delhi Tigers
23 Buenos Aires Armadillos
24 Cairo Sands
25 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
26 Seoul Magpies
27 Beijing Thunder
28 London Royals
29 Tokyo Samurai
30 Cape Town Cobras
31 Toronto Wolves
32 New York Revolution
33 Pacific Islanders
34 Berlin Brewers
35 Moscow Spetnaz
36 Christchurch Saints
37 Mexico City Suns
38 Paris Nice Lyon
39 Dublin Destroyers
Getting in early - if you're going to trade a pick in the Top 20 then we're interested.
I'm looking at you New Delhi, Buenos Aires and Cairo...
Quote from: Nige on July 20, 2015, 05:40:50 PMQuote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2015, 05:38:29 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 04:18:11 PMAlways happy to talk anyone and everyone :DQuote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
Based on current ladder positions...
1 New Delhi Tigers
2 New Delhi Tigers
3 Buenos Aires Armadillos
4 Cairo Sands
5 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
6 Seoul Magpies
7 Beijing Thunder
8 London Royals
9 Tokyo Samurai
10 Cape Town Cobras
11 Toronto Wolves
12 New York Revolution
13 Pacific Islanders
14 Berlin Brewers
15 Moscow Spetnaz
16 Christchurch Saints
17 Mexico City Suns
18 Paris Nice Lyon
19 Dublin Destroyers
20 Buenos Aires Armadillos
21 Cairo Sands
22 New Delhi Tigers
23 Buenos Aires Armadillos
24 Cairo Sands
25 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
26 Seoul Magpies
27 Beijing Thunder
28 London Royals
29 Tokyo Samurai
30 Cape Town Cobras
31 Toronto Wolves
32 New York Revolution
33 Pacific Islanders
34 Berlin Brewers
35 Moscow Spetnaz
36 Christchurch Saints
37 Mexico City Suns
38 Paris Nice Lyon
39 Dublin Destroyers
Getting in early - if you're going to trade a pick in the Top 20 then we're interested.
I'm looking at you New Delhi, Buenos Aires and Cairo...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 04:18:11 PM
I'm looking at you New Delhi, Buenos Aires and Cairo...
Quote from: DazBurg on July 20, 2015, 05:43:37 PMQuote from: Nige on July 20, 2015, 05:40:50 PMQuote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2015, 05:38:29 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 04:18:11 PMAlways happy to talk anyone and everyone :DQuote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
Based on current ladder positions...
1 New Delhi Tigers
2 New Delhi Tigers
3 Buenos Aires Armadillos
4 Cairo Sands
5 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
6 Seoul Magpies
7 Beijing Thunder
8 London Royals
9 Tokyo Samurai
10 Cape Town Cobras
11 Toronto Wolves
12 New York Revolution
13 Pacific Islanders
14 Berlin Brewers
15 Moscow Spetnaz
16 Christchurch Saints
17 Mexico City Suns
18 Paris Nice Lyon
19 Dublin Destroyers
20 Buenos Aires Armadillos
21 Cairo Sands
22 New Delhi Tigers
23 Buenos Aires Armadillos
24 Cairo Sands
25 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
26 Seoul Magpies
27 Beijing Thunder
28 London Royals
29 Tokyo Samurai
30 Cape Town Cobras
31 Toronto Wolves
32 New York Revolution
33 Pacific Islanders
34 Berlin Brewers
35 Moscow Spetnaz
36 Christchurch Saints
37 Mexico City Suns
38 Paris Nice Lyon
39 Dublin Destroyers
Getting in early - if you're going to trade a pick in the Top 20 then we're interested.
I'm looking at you New Delhi, Buenos Aires and Cairo...
Quote from: Jayman on July 20, 2015, 05:52:33 PMQuote from: DazBurg on July 20, 2015, 05:43:37 PMQuote from: Nige on July 20, 2015, 05:40:50 PMQuote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2015, 05:38:29 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 04:18:11 PMAlways happy to talk anyone and everyone :DQuote from: meow meow on July 20, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
Based on current ladder positions...
1 New Delhi Tigers
2 New Delhi Tigers
3 Buenos Aires Armadillos
4 Cairo Sands
5 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
6 Seoul Magpies
7 Beijing Thunder
8 London Royals
9 Tokyo Samurai
10 Cape Town Cobras
11 Toronto Wolves
12 New York Revolution
13 Pacific Islanders
14 Berlin Brewers
15 Moscow Spetnaz
16 Christchurch Saints
17 Mexico City Suns
18 Paris Nice Lyon
19 Dublin Destroyers
20 Buenos Aires Armadillos
21 Cairo Sands
22 New Delhi Tigers
23 Buenos Aires Armadillos
24 Cairo Sands
25 Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
26 Seoul Magpies
27 Beijing Thunder
28 London Royals
29 Tokyo Samurai
30 Cape Town Cobras
31 Toronto Wolves
32 New York Revolution
33 Pacific Islanders
34 Berlin Brewers
35 Moscow Spetnaz
36 Christchurch Saints
37 Mexico City Suns
38 Paris Nice Lyon
39 Dublin Destroyers
Getting in early - if you're going to trade a pick in the Top 20 then we're interested.
I'm looking at you New Delhi, Buenos Aires and Cairo...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 08:39:44 PMPM me too, got picks!
Check your PMs people who quoted me...
Quote from: Vinny on July 21, 2015, 09:30:36 AMQuote from: Memphistopheles on July 20, 2015, 08:39:44 PMPM me too, got picks!
Check your PMs people who quoted me...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 21, 2015, 12:57:27 PM
QUESTION: How does trading work if you're over the cap? Can you only do trades which immediately decrease your cap? Or can you do other trades on the proviso you drop under the cap overall at the end of the trade period?
It's highly likely we will be over the cap and so I'd like some clarification please Purple/Ossie? Or someone else who was over the cap previously?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 21, 2015, 01:09:50 PMYeah basically. So you'll be able to trade as you please and then just delist whoever to get under before the draft.Quote from: Memphistopheles on July 21, 2015, 12:57:27 PM
QUESTION: How does trading work if you're over the cap? Can you only do trades which immediately decrease your cap? Or can you do other trades on the proviso you drop under the cap overall at the end of the trade period?
It's highly likely we will be over the cap and so I'd like some clarification please Purple/Ossie? Or someone else who was over the cap previously?
AFAIK you can trade without limits (as in go further above the cap in the meantime), but you just need to make sure that at the close of the trade period you're below the cap
Quote from: Vinny on July 22, 2015, 05:41:07 PM
Pick 2 will be on the table and could potentially be packaged with any one or many of the following:
A.Brayshaw, M.Crouch, S.Biggs, J.DeGoey, J.Schulz, T.Cutler, B.Lennon, S.Atley and anyone else you like, cbf naming anymore haha.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 27, 2015, 02:38:55 PM
Harley Bennell just pumping out a 140 on the weekend
Don't worry about the off field stuff - he will get through that and become a star!
:P
Quote from: Holz on July 27, 2015, 02:40:47 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on July 27, 2015, 02:38:55 PM
Harley Bennell just pumping out a 140 on the weekend
Don't worry about the off field stuff - he will get through that and become a star!
:P
played exclusively in the midfield like he has all year. He is good but certainly a mid only.
Quote from: Toga on July 30, 2015, 08:55:46 PM
With our season all but over keen to talk trades >:D
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
is anyone interested in draft picks at all?
Quote from: Toga on July 31, 2015, 09:20:03 PMwe semi areQuote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
is anyone interested in draft picks at all?
Quote from: Ricochet on August 01, 2015, 10:36:21 AMYeah same here. They won't get any of our guns, but we could move some depth for draft picks :)Quote from: Toga on July 31, 2015, 09:20:03 PMwe semi areQuote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
is anyone interested in draft picks at all?
Quote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 10:43:48 AMQuote from: Ricochet on August 01, 2015, 10:36:21 AMYeah same here. They won't get any of our guns, but we could move some depth for draft picks :)Quote from: Toga on July 31, 2015, 09:20:03 PMwe semi areQuote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
is anyone interested in draft picks at all?
Quote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
Quote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 05:02:12 PM4th rounder rookie pick plus a box of coco pops and we have a dealQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
Quote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:03:07 PMQuote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 05:02:12 PM4th rounder rookie pick plus a box of coco pops and we have a dealQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
Quote from: Jukes on August 01, 2015, 05:04:15 PMNo diceQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:03:07 PMQuote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 05:02:12 PM4th rounder rookie pick plus a box of coco pops and we have a dealQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
I'll give a 4th and milo cereal if that's ok
Quote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:16:20 PMI'll give you 2 bowls of coco pops and a slice of cheese.Quote from: Jukes on August 01, 2015, 05:04:15 PMNo diceQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:03:07 PMI'll give a 4th and milo cereal if that's okQuote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 05:02:12 PM4th rounder rookie pick plus a box of coco pops and we have a dealQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
Quote from: Hellopplz on August 01, 2015, 05:17:04 PM2 boxes, keep the cheeseQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:16:20 PMI'll give you 2 bowls of coco pops and a slice of cheese.Quote from: Jukes on August 01, 2015, 05:04:15 PMNo diceQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:03:07 PMI'll give a 4th and milo cereal if that's okQuote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 05:02:12 PM4th rounder rookie pick plus a box of coco pops and we have a dealQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
Quote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:19:18 PM2 bowls and half a mars bar then. Do it or face the consequences.Quote from: Hellopplz on August 01, 2015, 05:17:04 PM2 boxes, keep the cheeseQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:16:20 PMI'll give you 2 bowls of coco pops and a slice of cheese.Quote from: Jukes on August 01, 2015, 05:04:15 PMNo diceQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:03:07 PMI'll give a 4th and milo cereal if that's okQuote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 05:02:12 PM4th rounder rookie pick plus a box of coco pops and we have a dealQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 02:11:54 PM
Just a reminder the trade window will commence straight after Sunday Round 23.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
Just looking at that list Rico. Sheeesh, it's going to take years before NDT can be competitive.
I think that needs to be changed. WXV is for fun - it's not real life or anything and being coaches of a team that is poor and barely ever wins shouldn't really exist IMO.
It's going to take years of priority picks to fix that side, and that cant be much fun for Rico and the other coaches who barely ever win a game simply because their lists are so shot
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 02:14:35 PMlol its not that bad. After another trade period we'll push finals next year
Just looking at that list Rico. Sheeesh, it's going to take years before NDT can be competitive.
I think that needs to be changed. WXV is for fun - it's not real life or anything and being coaches of a team that is poor and barely ever wins shouldn't really exist IMO.
It's going to take years of priority picks to fix that side, and that cant be much fun for Rico and the other coaches who barely ever win a game simply because their lists are so shot
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
Just looking at that list Rico. Sheeesh, it's going to take years before NDT can be competitive.
I think that needs to be changed. WXV is for fun - it's not real life or anything and being coaches of a team that is poor and barely ever wins shouldn't really exist IMO.
It's going to take years of priority picks to fix that side, and that cant be much fun for Rico and the other coaches who barely ever win a game simply because their lists are so shot
Quote from: Holz on August 03, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
have a look at this team from 2012 and see if you think in two years time it could have won a flag.
S.D. Thompson, N.Grima, N.Malceski, R.Schoenemakers
D.Thomas, D.Mundy, M.Barlow, C.Ward
S.Mumford
S.Day, L.Hansen, A.Hams, J.Walker
J.Caddy, S.Atley
Quote from: Ricochet on August 03, 2015, 02:53:43 PM
lol its not that bad. After another trade period we'll push finals next year
Quote from: Ricochet on August 03, 2015, 02:53:43 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 02:14:35 PMlol its not that bad. After another trade period we'll push finals next year
Just looking at that list Rico. Sheeesh, it's going to take years before NDT can be competitive.
I think that needs to be changed. WXV is for fun - it's not real life or anything and being coaches of a team that is poor and barely ever wins shouldn't really exist IMO.
It's going to take years of priority picks to fix that side, and that cant be much fun for Rico and the other coaches who barely ever win a game simply because their lists are so shot
Dud picks Os?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 03:24:54 PMQuote from: Holz on August 03, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
have a look at this team from 2012 and see if you think in two years time it could have won a flag.
S.D. Thompson, N.Grima, N.Malceski, R.Schoenemakers
D.Thomas, D.Mundy, M.Barlow, C.Ward
S.Mumford
S.Day, L.Hansen, A.Hams, J.Walker
J.Caddy, S.Atley
That team is 100 times better than NDT is right now
Quote from: ossie85 on August 03, 2015, 03:25:48 PMQuote from: Ricochet on August 03, 2015, 02:53:43 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 02:14:35 PMlol its not that bad. After another trade period we'll push finals next year
Just looking at that list Rico. Sheeesh, it's going to take years before NDT can be competitive.
I think that needs to be changed. WXV is for fun - it's not real life or anything and being coaches of a team that is poor and barely ever wins shouldn't really exist IMO.
It's going to take years of priority picks to fix that side, and that cant be much fun for Rico and the other coaches who barely ever win a game simply because their lists are so shot
Dud picks Os?
Garlett and Nankervis were the guys I was thinking of, but I have hindsight
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
I already said it was their defense and forwards which is shot - their mids and Nicholls has a future
Stevens wont be a forward moving forward, so it's Darling and nobody else and no one down back
Dublin team is miles ahead
I just hope for the sake of the comp they have a really successful trade period, because having every team compete should be the goal
Quote from: elephants on August 03, 2015, 05:32:06 PM
Haha I know you're not trying to, but Christ these attacks on NDT are harsh.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 06:57:42 PMQuote from: elephants on August 03, 2015, 05:32:06 PM
Haha I know you're not trying to, but Christ these attacks on NDT are harsh.
Not meaning to, and don't think I'm sounding harsh at all.
Was just saying that looking at your list it will take years for you to improve, and that I think something should be done to make you more competitive. We all do this for fun, and it's fun building a team and list, but losing every week cant be that fun lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 03, 2015, 06:57:42 PMQuote from: elephants on August 03, 2015, 05:32:06 PM
Haha I know you're not trying to, but Christ these attacks on NDT are harsh.
Not meaning to, and don't think I'm sounding harsh at all.
Was just saying that looking at your list it will take years for you to improve, and that I think something should be done to make you more competitive. We all do this for fun, and it's fun building a team and list, but losing every week cant be that fun lol
Quote from: Ricochet on August 03, 2015, 09:44:32 PM
Even flowering spud Warnock.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 04, 2015, 09:55:16 AM
I wish you guys could see the tug-of-war I have between a certain two coaches over the services of a particular player of mine :P
Which reminds me, that player being talked about is Treloar, so I guess he is on the market. A premo forward or defender is what I'm looking for, whilst I also want a competitive mid to replace Treloar. In most cases that would require me adding more on my end.
Just letting you guys know ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 04, 2015, 10:04:41 AM
@ holz - but I guess you want something like a 115 avg mid in return for Gunston?
Quote from: Holz on August 04, 2015, 04:42:25 PM
hurts me to do this but i guess i have to think about it
Scharenberg is possibly available.
The best fantasy prospect from his draft before going down injured. Finally got his body right and debuted last week, I liked what i saw. Might not play much this year as he didnt have a preseason but is fit and should have a big preseason and a big next year.
I need mids.
Quote from: roo boys! on August 12, 2015, 11:05:06 PM
Sorry to all those I'm currently in the middle of trade talks with if I've been pretty ordinary in terms of discussions or replying - I will get around to it all I promise that, just pretty busy atm.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2015, 08:42:16 PM
for anyone thinking about Danger JBS says
"Unless you can get me Fyfe. No chance ;)"
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2015, 08:42:16 PM
for anyone thinking about Danger JBS says
"Unless you can get me Fyfe. No chance ;)"
Quote from: Holz on August 18, 2015, 09:06:50 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2015, 08:42:16 PM
for anyone thinking about Danger JBS says
"Unless you can get me Fyfe. No chance ;)"
Why wouldn't you want the best player in the comp? Instead of fyfe
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2015, 09:20:17 PMQuote from: Holz on August 18, 2015, 09:06:50 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2015, 08:42:16 PM
for anyone thinking about Danger JBS says
"Unless you can get me Fyfe. No chance ;)"
Why wouldn't you want the best player in the comp? Instead of fyfe
not talking to you....
Quote from: Holz on August 18, 2015, 09:21:28 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2015, 09:20:17 PMQuote from: Holz on August 18, 2015, 09:06:50 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2015, 08:42:16 PM
for anyone thinking about Danger JBS says
"Unless you can get me Fyfe. No chance ;)"
Why wouldn't you want the best player in the comp? Instead of fyfe
not talking to you....
Dont worry I dont want danger. Prefer my man sloane
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 10, 2015, 09:03:58 PM
Have a good look through our list and hit me up to discuss who you are interested in
Nearly everyone is tradeable, and we have it all - depth, quick fixes, young talent etc!
Paul Duffield, Jed Adcock, Sam Fisher, Heath Grundy, Spud Firito, Dylan Buckley, J.Bennell, Teia.Miles, Alex Browne, Austin.Logan
Steve Johnson, Matt Rosa, Sharrod Wellingham, Matthew White, Mark Whiley, Pat McGinnity, Nakia Cockatoo, Jordan Cunico, Alex Sexton
Mike Pyke, Dawson Simpson, Luke Lowden
Travis Cloke, Kurt Tippett, Josh.J Kennedy, Jarrad Waite, Hayden Crozier, Daniel Menzel, Nathan Vardy, Tom Lamb, Brodie Murdoch, Todd Elton
Mitchell White, Orazio Fantasia, Daniel Pearce, Padraig Lucey, Nathan Brown, Dylan Addison
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 21, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
I've been sick this week so sorry I haven't replied to a lot of people.
Working through some of my PMs today and hopefully will get to everyone by the end of the weekend.
Did hear back from My Chumps though on a few things - thanks mate - so that will help.
Quote from: Boomz on August 11, 2015, 04:58:58 AM
With our season over I guess it's time to get some trading done... Looking for a starting ruck, a premium defender & a premium mid.
All picks available.
Available: Melican, Brown, Mckenzie, O'Brien, Ambrose, Derickx, Fields, Dea, Menadue, Smith, Gore, Cavka, Young, Suckling, Rivers, Lloyd, Kennedy, Hewett, Broughton, Dempsey, Corr
Maybe: Merrett, Frost, Jaksch, Suban, Carrazzo, Burgoyne, Carlisle, Cameron, Henderson, Miles
Unlikely: Yarran, Smith, Lycett, Phillips, Gleeson, Dawson, Cunningham, Ibbotson, Johannisen
Would take a massive offer & more: Parker, Motlop, Jack, Dahlhaus, Cripps,
Quote from: Hellopplz on August 23, 2015, 07:16:23 PM
He only trades when he figures they can't keep it up :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on August 23, 2015, 07:16:23 PM
He only trades when he figures they can't keep it up :P.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 23, 2015, 07:16:44 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on August 23, 2015, 07:16:23 PM
He only trades when he figures they can't keep it up :P.
Exactly.
Quote from: Boomz on August 22, 2015, 01:43:49 PMQuote from: Boomz on August 11, 2015, 04:58:58 AM
With our season over I guess it's time to get some trading done... Looking for a starting ruck, a premium defender & a premium mid.
All picks available.
Available: Melican, Brown, Mckenzie, O'Brien, Ambrose, Derickx, Fields, Dea, Menadue, Smith, Gore, Cavka, Young, Suckling, Rivers, Lloyd, Kennedy, Hewett, Broughton, Dempsey, Corr
Maybe: Merrett, Frost, Jaksch, Suban, Carrazzo, Burgoyne, Carlisle, Cameron, Henderson, Miles
Unlikely: Yarran, Smith, Lycett, Phillips, Gleeson, Dawson, Cunningham, Ibbotson, Johannisen
Would take a massive offer & more: Parker, Motlop, Jack, Dahlhaus, Cripps,
All this still goes. A lot of interest in Miles, keen on a starting ruck or an upgrade to a better mid and can combine with other players/picks.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 25, 2015, 01:41:41 PM
This trading caper can be quite draining
I reckon I've sent at least 100 PM's over the past couple of days going back and forth with so many teams
Hopefully it will be worth it :-\
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 25, 2015, 01:41:41 PM
This trading caper can be quite draining
I reckon I've sent at least 100 PM's over the past couple of days going back and forth with so many teams
Hopefully it will be worth it :-\
Quote from: Holz on August 25, 2015, 03:14:25 PM
Starting to get annoyed at all the calls of down talking Tom Mocdonald.
Im not sure what more the guy can do. Everyone said i was trying to get rid of walters last year for the same reason in that he couldn't keep up his scoring. since his injury in round 5 and his game he came back early in for round 6 he has gone.
I think he could easily go 90+ next year and thats pretty dam good.
112 99 94 99 74 100 105 49 98 71 123 66 79 99
for a 91 average. exactly what I thought he would do.
Quote from: meow meow on August 25, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
WXV is meant to mimic the AFL as closely as possible, right?
Should totally put a Swans type trade ban on Dublin, just for the hell of it. The AFL didn't need a legitimate reason so why should we?
Quote from: Nige on August 25, 2015, 04:39:45 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 25, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
WXV is meant to mimic the AFL as closely as possible, right?
Should totally put a Swans type trade ban on Dublin, just for the hell of it. The AFL didn't need a legitimate reason so why should we?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 25, 2015, 04:29:44 PMQuote from: Holz on August 25, 2015, 03:14:25 PM
Starting to get annoyed at all the calls of down talking Tom Mocdonald.
Im not sure what more the guy can do. Everyone said i was trying to get rid of walters last year for the same reason in that he couldn't keep up his scoring. since his injury in round 5 and his game he came back early in for round 6 he has gone.
I think he could easily go 90+ next year and thats pretty dam good.
112 99 94 99 74 100 105 49 98 71 123 66 79 99
for a 91 average. exactly what I thought he would do.
Maybe it's just that no-one wants to trade with you Holz?
It's looking like a a legitimate tactic.
If people keep trading and losing then Dublin will continue to be as good and might even get better :P
Whereas if no-one trades Dublin established players they'll have to rely on the draft to get new players and eventually their domination will end.
Mundy, Dal Santo and Thompson are coming to the end of their careers and Dublin really doesn't have a whole lot to replace them without trading.
Quote from: JROO8 on August 25, 2015, 04:48:04 PMQuote from: Nige on August 25, 2015, 04:39:45 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 25, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
WXV is meant to mimic the AFL as closely as possible, right?
Should totally put a Swans type trade ban on Dublin, just for the hell of it. The AFL didn't need a legitimate reason so why should we?
Quote from: Jukes on August 25, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
We could always ban both?
Quote from: JROO8 on August 25, 2015, 04:48:04 PMQuote from: Nige on August 25, 2015, 04:39:45 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 25, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
WXV is meant to mimic the AFL as closely as possible, right?
Should totally put a Swans type trade ban on Dublin, just for the hell of it. The AFL didn't need a legitimate reason so why should we?
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 25, 2015, 07:20:08 PMQuote from: JROO8 on August 25, 2015, 04:48:04 PMQuote from: Nige on August 25, 2015, 04:39:45 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 25, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
WXV is meant to mimic the AFL as closely as possible, right?
Should totally put a Swans type trade ban on Dublin, just for the hell of it. The AFL didn't need a legitimate reason so why should we?
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 25, 2015, 07:20:08 PMQuote from: JROO8 on August 25, 2015, 04:48:04 PMQuote from: Nige on August 25, 2015, 04:39:45 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 25, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
WXV is meant to mimic the AFL as closely as possible, right?
Should totally put a Swans type trade ban on Dublin, just for the hell of it. The AFL didn't need a legitimate reason so why should we?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:25:38 AMSo we can't even try to beat deals for the 6 players 'off the market'? Seems a bit odd.
New York has been extremely busy over the past few weeks and although the trade period hasn't started yet I just wanted to provide an update to let all other teams know that the following players are currently OFF the market as they are tied up in pending deals with several teams already
Tom Liberatore, Harley Bennell, Steve Johnson, Heath Grundy, Hayden Crozier and Sharrod Wellingham
Like we did last year during our first year at the helm, we are trading aggressively with a clear picture of what we need to do to take New York to the next level next year :)
All other players can be enquired about, and we are looking for midfielders and forwards in particularly
Quote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:32:19 AMDavis Mundy, Tom McDonald, Andrew Boston for Tom Liberatore, Harley Bennell, Steve Johnson, Heath Grundy, Hayden Crozier and Sharrod Wellingham :-X :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:25:38 AMSo we can't even try to beat deals for the 6 players 'off the market'? Seems a bit odd.
New York has been extremely busy over the past few weeks and although the trade period hasn't started yet I just wanted to provide an update to let all other teams know that the following players are currently OFF the market as they are tied up in pending deals with several teams already
Tom Liberatore, Harley Bennell, Steve Johnson, Heath Grundy, Hayden Crozier and Sharrod Wellingham
Like we did last year during our first year at the helm, we are trading aggressively with a clear picture of what we need to do to take New York to the next level next year :)
All other players can be enquired about, and we are looking for midfielders and forwards in particularly
Quote from: Ricochet on August 26, 2015, 11:34:21 AMSounds like something both clubs would do. :PQuote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:32:19 AMDavis Mundy, Tom McDonald, Andrew Boston for Tom Liberatore, Harley Bennell, Steve Johnson, Heath Grundy, Hayden Crozier and Sharrod Wellingham :-X :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:25:38 AMSo we can't even try to beat deals for the 6 players 'off the market'? Seems a bit odd.
New York has been extremely busy over the past few weeks and although the trade period hasn't started yet I just wanted to provide an update to let all other teams know that the following players are currently OFF the market as they are tied up in pending deals with several teams already
Tom Liberatore, Harley Bennell, Steve Johnson, Heath Grundy, Hayden Crozier and Sharrod Wellingham
Like we did last year during our first year at the helm, we are trading aggressively with a clear picture of what we need to do to take New York to the next level next year :)
All other players can be enquired about, and we are looking for midfielders and forwards in particularly
Quote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:32:19 AM
So we can't even try to beat deals for the 6 players 'off the market'? Seems a bit odd.
Quote from: Ricochet on August 26, 2015, 11:34:21 AM
Davis Mundy, Tom McDonald, Andrew Boston for Tom Liberatore, Harley Bennell, Steve Johnson, Heath Grundy, Hayden Crozier and Sharrod Wellingham :-X :o
Quote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:35:04 AM
Sounds like something both clubs would do. :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:36:16 AMAh okay. I didn't believe we ever had a chance anyway but I was just curious.Quote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:32:19 AM
So we can't even try to beat deals for the 6 players 'off the market'? Seems a bit odd.
There are 5-6 teams that I have spent a lot of time talking deals with about those players, and yesterday I informed them all about the offers we have received and gave them an opportunity to better them as well as courtesy of our intentions
I didn't include you in that comms as we barely got into any real discussions and they ended quickly :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:37:42 AMSpoiler alert: One of which is Dublin.
LOL no. Those 6 players are going to 3 different teams ;)
Quote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:39:14 AMMore like 3 trades, 3 including New York. Who's surprised? :DQuote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:37:42 AMSpoiler alert: One of which is Dublin.
LOL no. Those 6 players are going to 3 different teams ;)
Who's surprised? :P
Quote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:39:14 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:37:42 AMSpoiler alert: One of which is Dublin.
LOL no. Those 6 players are going to 3 different teams ;)
Who's surprised? :P
Quote from: Ricochet on August 26, 2015, 11:41:11 AM
More like 3 trades, 3 including New York. Who's surprised? :D
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:43:34 AMinsert thatsthejoke.jpg ;)Quote from: Ricochet on August 26, 2015, 11:41:11 AM
More like 3 trades, 3 including New York. Who's surprised? :D
Hey, we don't muck around at New York
Not as if you should be surprised anyway after how many trades we did in our debut preseason ;)
Like true New York folk, we know what we want and we just go and get it 8)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:42:14 AMI wouldn't get your hopes up man :PQuote from: Nige on August 26, 2015, 11:39:14 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:37:42 AMSpoiler alert: One of which is Dublin.
LOL no. Those 6 players are going to 3 different teams ;)
Who's surprised? :P
I think it could be the first ever trade we have done with Dublin. I don't recall actually getting one through last year even though we went back and forth a lot in discussions
Quote from: Jayman on August 26, 2015, 11:53:56 AM
I wouldn't get your hopes up man :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 26, 2015, 11:59:00 AMQuote from: Jayman on August 26, 2015, 11:53:56 AM
I wouldn't get your hopes up man :P
Haha yes I know everyone loves negging Dublin deals, but I truly believe and know that this deal is completely fair for both teams and helps both teams too so I would be really surprised and frustrated if it didn't pass
Anyway, if anyone has depth mids and forwards that actually play, then hit me up :)
Quote from: Boomz on August 26, 2015, 03:23:30 PM
I do find it a bit odd when people say players are tied up when the trade period hasn't even started yet :P I mean the season hasn't even finished, anything could happen :-X
Quote from: Jayman on August 26, 2015, 03:30:41 PMQuote from: Boomz on August 26, 2015, 03:23:30 PM
I do find it a bit odd when people say players are tied up when the trade period hasn't even started yet :P I mean the season hasn't even finished, anything could happen :-X
Quote from: Jayman on August 26, 2015, 03:30:41 PMMy thoughts too as well and looks like numerous trades have already been agreed too.Quote from: Boomz on August 26, 2015, 03:23:30 PM
I do find it a bit odd when people say players are tied up when the trade period hasn't even started yet :P I mean the season hasn't even finished, anything could happen :-X
Quote from: Ringo on August 26, 2015, 04:23:51 PMQuote from: Jayman on August 26, 2015, 03:30:41 PMMy thoughts too as well and looks like numerous trades have already been agreed too.Quote from: Boomz on August 26, 2015, 03:23:30 PM
I do find it a bit odd when people say players are tied up when the trade period hasn't even started yet :P I mean the season hasn't even finished, anything could happen :-X
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 26, 2015, 04:42:40 PMQuote from: Ringo on August 26, 2015, 04:23:51 PMQuote from: Jayman on August 26, 2015, 03:30:41 PMMy thoughts too as well and looks like numerous trades have already been agreed too.Quote from: Boomz on August 26, 2015, 03:23:30 PM
I do find it a bit odd when people say players are tied up when the trade period hasn't even started yet :P I mean the season hasn't even finished, anything could happen :-X
I thought this as well last year but, then the trade period opened and a host of guys I was keen on already moved clubs and we missed out so I thought it better to get in early this season.
If you don't you're going to miss out because there are coaches out there who'll do trades early (now) and ones that take the first come, first served approach.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 28, 2015, 06:23:40 AM
Depends if you're buying or selling.
Buying it might be best to trade in advance, selling and you're likely missing out on the best deals
As long as people don't hold any grudges if people change minds before they are official, no problem in having trades prepared. But they aren't official and can be altered anytime
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 28, 2015, 07:03:09 AM
annoying for the new coaches who might want to make a offer if elected
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 28, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
The only thing that would make me change my mind on some of the aforementioned 'locked-in' deals is if whoever gets Pendlebury in the re-draft wanted to trade him.
Then I might consider changing my mind and I'm sure the teams involved with the other trades would understand because of how much of a gun Pendles is/the uniqueness of this situation.
I'd suggest that the coach who picks him up declares his intentions with Pendles straight away - I'm almost certain they won't want to trade him but, best to let everyone know before the trade period officially opens if there is a chance of moving him on so others can declare their hand.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 28, 2015, 03:08:01 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 28, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
The only thing that would make me change my mind on some of the aforementioned 'locked-in' deals is if whoever gets Pendlebury in the re-draft wanted to trade him.
Then I might consider changing my mind and I'm sure the teams involved with the other trades would understand because of how much of a gun Pendles is/the uniqueness of this situation.
I'd suggest that the coach who picks him up declares his intentions with Pendles straight away - I'm almost certain they won't want to trade him but, best to let everyone know before the trade period officially opens if there is a chance of moving him on so others can declare their hand.
If the coach who gets Pendles is open to trading him, then they're clearly tanking imo :P
Quote from: meow meow on August 28, 2015, 03:37:20 PM
Obviously you're not going to get a couple of gun teams out of merging two teams that missed the finals but there's A LOT of young talent and enough established players to give the coaches trading options. Could easily build two teams that are capable of pushing for finals in 2017.
Quote from: Holz on August 28, 2015, 03:42:41 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 28, 2015, 03:37:20 PM
Obviously you're not going to get a couple of gun teams out of merging two teams that missed the finals but there's A LOT of young talent and enough established players to give the coaches trading options. Could easily build two teams that are capable of pushing for finals in 2017.
got to agree with Meow.
add in some good picks in the draft too.
plus that might be the best team you could have drafted however. Do some trading, turn Pendles into a defender + something
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 28, 2015, 03:48:37 PMQuote from: Holz on August 28, 2015, 03:42:41 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 28, 2015, 03:37:20 PM
Obviously you're not going to get a couple of gun teams out of merging two teams that missed the finals but there's A LOT of young talent and enough established players to give the coaches trading options. Could easily build two teams that are capable of pushing for finals in 2017.
got to agree with Meow.
add in some good picks in the draft too.
plus that might be the best team you could have drafted however. Do some trading, turn Pendles into a defender + something
Just don't trade Pendles to Holz or we're all screwed for the next 3-4 seasons :P
Quote from: Holz on August 28, 2015, 03:50:46 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 28, 2015, 03:48:37 PMQuote from: Holz on August 28, 2015, 03:42:41 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 28, 2015, 03:37:20 PM
Obviously you're not going to get a couple of gun teams out of merging two teams that missed the finals but there's A LOT of young talent and enough established players to give the coaches trading options. Could easily build two teams that are capable of pushing for finals in 2017.
got to agree with Meow.
add in some good picks in the draft too.
plus that might be the best team you could have drafted however. Do some trading, turn Pendles into a defender + something
Just don't trade Pendles to Holz or we're all screwed for the next 3-4 seasons :P
all good
Sloane Selwood Libba Boak Dmart
im set in the mids for a while, don't worry about me. Dont need old man Pendles.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 28, 2015, 04:03:20 PMQuote from: Holz on August 28, 2015, 03:50:46 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 28, 2015, 03:48:37 PMQuote from: Holz on August 28, 2015, 03:42:41 PMQuote from: meow meow on August 28, 2015, 03:37:20 PM
Obviously you're not going to get a couple of gun teams out of merging two teams that missed the finals but there's A LOT of young talent and enough established players to give the coaches trading options. Could easily build two teams that are capable of pushing for finals in 2017.
got to agree with Meow.
add in some good picks in the draft too.
plus that might be the best team you could have drafted however. Do some trading, turn Pendles into a defender + something
Just don't trade Pendles to Holz or we're all screwed for the next 3-4 seasons :P
all good
Sloane Selwood Libba Boak Dmart
im set in the mids for a while, don't worry about me. Dont need old man Pendles.
I bet you'd be scared it Mexico or one of your other Top 4 rivals got him though :P
Bit of a down year for him this year but 125 avg = 250 points a week as captain going in to a rival would be a big blow.
With regards to the draft. There are some good picks but, this is a very shallow draft. So only the first round/compo and second round picks are really worth anything here. Whereas last year 3rd/4th round picks were worth grabbing as well.
Quote from: Nige on August 28, 2015, 06:04:39 PM
Personally, I don't really see the point in drafting Pendles to trade him.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 28, 2015, 06:08:29 PMQuote from: Nige on August 28, 2015, 06:04:39 PM
Personally, I don't really see the point in drafting Pendles to trade him.
instead of one premo you could end up with 2
Quote from: AaronKirk on August 28, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
Not many teams can offer that price for him though.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 28, 2015, 06:03:10 PM
if i got Pendles my goal would be to get 2 gun young premo mids for Pendles and my 1st rounder start building a team around that
Quote from: Nige on August 28, 2015, 06:04:39 PMThis. Also don't really like the idea of a new coach coming in and just trading everyone away - but that's just my opinion. I guess since we're having the draft thingo and splitting up the teams anyway it doesn't really matter :-\
Personally, I don't really see the point in drafting Pendles to trade him.
Quote from: GoLions on August 28, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
If I got Pendles I'd give him to Mexico in exchange for Rocky
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 28, 2015, 07:50:04 PMQuote from: GoLions on August 28, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
If I got Pendles I'd give him to Mexico in exchange for Rocky
the only players they have worth trading for Pendles is Rocky or Sidey and i not sure they would do that
Quote from: Holz on August 28, 2015, 07:51:27 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on August 28, 2015, 07:50:04 PMQuote from: GoLions on August 28, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
If I got Pendles I'd give him to Mexico in exchange for Rocky
the only players they have worth trading for Pendles is Rocky or Sidey and i not sure they would do that
Sidey is not worth Pendles.
He just wont get the midfield time, especially if treloar joins them next year
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest. Certainly more than I thought he'd get.
If you're someone who's keen on him send through and offer and we'll weigh them up. There's probably a good chance we could trade him. Our preference would be to package him with something to get a Best XV starter in any position.
Quote from: Holz on August 30, 2015, 01:33:03 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest. Certainly more than I thought he'd get.
If you're someone who's keen on him send through and offer and we'll weigh them up. There's probably a good chance we could trade him. Our preference would be to package him with something to get a Best XV starter in any position.
ill give you a good deal.
your 4th round pick to take him from you. I probably would want more to have that guy on my list but I feel like being nice.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 30, 2015, 02:08:19 PMQuote from: Holz on August 30, 2015, 01:33:03 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest. Certainly more than I thought he'd get.
If you're someone who's keen on him send through and offer and we'll weigh them up. There's probably a good chance we could trade him. Our preference would be to package him with something to get a Best XV starter in any position.
ill give you a good deal.
your 4th round pick to take him from you. I probably would want more to have that guy on my list but I feel like being nice.
Hahaha! New York will beat that. We'll offer you Padraig lucey and a 6th rounder
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 02:21:21 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest.
I don't know how to respond to this...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 02:27:33 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 02:21:21 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest.
I don't know how to respond to this...
With a bid of course...
He was taken above Wines and Stringer in the AFL draft therefore he must be more talented right ;) :P :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 02:29:32 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 02:27:33 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 02:21:21 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest.
I don't know how to respond to this...
With a bid of course...
He was taken above Wines and Stringer in the AFL draft therefore he must be more talented right ;) :P :P
*kicks purple in the chest*
*points and laugh while he sobs in the fetal position*
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 02:34:59 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 02:29:32 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 02:27:33 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 02:21:21 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Jimmy Toumpas is attracting a fair bit of interest.
I don't know how to respond to this...
With a bid of course...
He was taken above Wines and Stringer in the AFL draft therefore he must be more talented right ;) :P :P
*kicks purple in the chest*
*points and laugh while he sobs in the fetal position*
I'll tell you what.
We'll throw in someone actually awesome in Dom Tyson and some other Kent you can send Treloar our way for the three Demons. Seems fair ::)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 30, 2015, 09:21:23 PM
u really think vandenBerg will be a forward?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 30, 2015, 09:57:53 PM
Has someone already bid for Stringer and McLean or are they just not tradeable meow?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:46:38 PMThat keen to see the uproar over your trade? :P
CBF reading back. When does the trade period open?
Sunday night? :-*
Quote from: Nige on September 01, 2015, 05:48:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:46:38 PMThat keen to see the uproar over your trade? :P
CBF reading back. When does the trade period open?
Sunday night? :-*
Quote from: Nige on September 01, 2015, 05:48:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:46:38 PMThat keen to see the uproar over your trade? :P
CBF reading back. When does the trade period open?
Sunday night? :-*
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 05:53:24 PM
It was going to open midnight on Sunday.
But, it might get postponed if a team decides to into the redraft, like they have been thinking about recently. The coach wants time to think it over, which I respect.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:54:39 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 05:53:24 PM
It was going to open midnight on Sunday.
But, it might get postponed if a team decides to into the redraft, like they have been thinking about recently. The coach wants time to think it over, which I respect.
Missing a pretty key word somewhere here Purps :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:02:19 PM
What do you mean a team might be going into the redraft? Other than Wolves and Dildos? A 3rd team? Surely not!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:49:47 PMQuote from: Nige on September 01, 2015, 05:48:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:46:38 PMThat keen to see the uproar over your trade? :P
CBF reading back. When does the trade period open?
Sunday night? :-*
Haha. The distain for holz is real
In all honesty, the trade is very fair and I cannot see how it could get negged
Quote from: Holz on September 01, 2015, 05:51:34 PMQuote from: Nige on September 01, 2015, 05:48:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:46:38 PMThat keen to see the uproar over your trade? :P
CBF reading back. When does the trade period open?
Sunday night? :-*
im just waiting to see Rocky trade come up.
maybe PNL give Hodge and Lewis for Fyfe
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:03:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:02:19 PM
What do you mean a team might be going into the redraft? Other than Wolves and Dildos? A 3rd team? Surely not!
Oh yeah, I posted that in the applications thread, but not at Worlds.
Yep, a third team.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
no but is SJ announces retirement on thursday may shake your deal up a bit :P...
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:15:13 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:03:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:02:19 PM
What do you mean a team might be going into the redraft? Other than Wolves and Dildos? A 3rd team? Surely not!
Oh yeah, I posted that in the applications thread, but not at Worlds.
Yep, a third team.
Hold on a minute. So a 3rd team, one of the existing World teams, is considering dismantling their team and entering the redraft with the Wolves and Dildos list?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 01, 2015, 06:16:57 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:15:13 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:03:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:02:19 PM
What do you mean a team might be going into the redraft? Other than Wolves and Dildos? A 3rd team? Surely not!
Oh yeah, I posted that in the applications thread, but not at Worlds.
Yep, a third team.
Hold on a minute. So a 3rd team, one of the existing World teams, is considering dismantling their team and entering the redraft with the Wolves and Dildos list?
no a 3rd coach is considering quitting
Quote from: ossie85 on September 01, 2015, 06:17:59 PM
New management guys, Dillos please! Not Dildos, players don't like it :p
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:16:26 PMgood work ;)Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
no but is SJ announces retirement on thursday may shake your deal up a bit :P...
That's fine - we have contingency plans in place for that scenario. :)
Quote from: meow meow on September 01, 2015, 06:07:31 PM
Is the draft happening for sure? I thought you changed your mind about that Purps?
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
I don't even know, I'm getting sick of the circus of trying to keep everyone happy really.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:27:16 PMwoah hang on. You can't have a crack at coaches for voicing their opinions when they've been asked to do so. This comp works best with all coaches input. Don't take that awayQuote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
I don't even know, I'm getting sick of the circus of trying to keep everyone happy really.
And that right there needs to change - and that's not on you - that's on all the coaches
There has been so much discussion, whining, suggestions etc etc going on and poor old Purps is getting bombarded
Purps, the amount of involvement you give all coaches on decisions is fantastic, but sometimes I think you might just need to pull rank and just make decisions based on what you think is best for the comp, and not take on everyone opinions for every topic or scenario that comes up because the last thing we need is you starting to feel frustrated or overwhelmed and sometimes as Admin you just need to make decisions without coaches input
Pull rank Purps - and let coaches just deal with it
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
Purps, the amount of involvement you give all coaches on decisions is fantastic, but sometimes I think you might just need to pull rank and just make decisions based on what you think is best for the comp,
Quote from: Ricochet on September 01, 2015, 06:37:04 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:27:16 PMwoah hang on. You can't have a crack at coaches for voicing their opinions when they've been asked to do so. This comp works best with all coaches input. Don't take that awayQuote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
I don't even know, I'm getting sick of the circus of trying to keep everyone happy really.
And that right there needs to change - and that's not on you - that's on all the coaches
There has been so much discussion, whining, suggestions etc etc going on and poor old Purps is getting bombarded
Purps, the amount of involvement you give all coaches on decisions is fantastic, but sometimes I think you might just need to pull rank and just make decisions based on what you think is best for the comp, and not take on everyone opinions for every topic or scenario that comes up because the last thing we need is you starting to feel frustrated or overwhelmed and sometimes as Admin you just need to make decisions without coaches input
Pull rank Purps - and let coaches just deal with it
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:50:50 PMThat comes with trying to implement change. You can't do anything about that. There will always be discussions and 'whinging'. And from I've seen noone has been unfair towards Purps unless I've missed something??Quote from: Ricochet on September 01, 2015, 06:37:04 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:27:16 PMwoah hang on. You can't have a crack at coaches for voicing their opinions when they've been asked to do so. This comp works best with all coaches input. Don't take that awayQuote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
I don't even know, I'm getting sick of the circus of trying to keep everyone happy really.
And that right there needs to change - and that's not on you - that's on all the coaches
There has been so much discussion, whining, suggestions etc etc going on and poor old Purps is getting bombarded
Purps, the amount of involvement you give all coaches on decisions is fantastic, but sometimes I think you might just need to pull rank and just make decisions based on what you think is best for the comp, and not take on everyone opinions for every topic or scenario that comes up because the last thing we need is you starting to feel frustrated or overwhelmed and sometimes as Admin you just need to make decisions without coaches input
Pull rank Purps - and let coaches just deal with it
I'm not having a crack at coaches for voicing their opinion. I'm a coach too and of course we all need to have input - that's why Worlds has been so good - but clearly Purps needs to be cut some slack from us. Just put yourself in his position, having to consider 20+ coaches opinions and trying to please everyone.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 06:50:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
Purps, the amount of involvement you give all coaches on decisions is fantastic, but sometimes I think you might just need to pull rank and just make decisions based on what you think is best for the comp,
I've been thinking that too recently. But I'm aware I will make a wrong decision eventually, and that I don't want it to become a dictatorship.
The input from coaches has been great as well :)
Bah, ignore me. It's all good 8)
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2015, 06:10:24 PMSounding about right there Daz :P.Quote from: Holz on September 01, 2015, 05:51:34 PMwe have hodge who is lewis? you mean jordan? you thinking of euros again?Quote from: Nige on September 01, 2015, 05:48:02 PMim just waiting to see Rocky trade come up.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 05:46:38 PMThat keen to see the uproar over your trade? :P
CBF reading back. When does the trade period open?
Sunday night? :-*
maybe PNL give Hodge and Lewis for Fyfe
as Lewis is at mexico :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:22:43 PMIt has earth shattering ramifications!!
Everyone thinks that NY and Dublin have got a big deal going on
It's nothing compared to the deal we have with PNL 8)
Quote from: Ricochet on September 01, 2015, 06:55:40 PM
That comes with trying to implement change. You can't do anything about that. There will always be discussions and 'whinging'. And from I've seen noone has been unfair towards Purps unless I've missed something??
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:16:26 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
no but is SJ announces retirement on thursday may shake your deal up a bit :P...
That's fine - we have contingency plans in place for that scenario. :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:22:43 PM
Everyone thinks that NY and Dublin have got a big deal going on
It's nothing compared to the deal with have with PNL 8)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2015, 07:37:22 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:16:26 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
no but is SJ announces retirement on thursday may shake your deal up a bit :P...
That's fine - we have contingency plans in place for that scenario. :)
Pretty sure he will play on anyway somewhere else. I hear the Tigers have an offer on the table.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2015, 07:38:01 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:22:43 PM
Everyone thinks that NY and Dublin have got a big deal going on
It's nothing compared to the deal with have with PNL 8)
You mean the deal with Cape Town 8) ;)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2015, 07:38:01 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:22:43 PM
Everyone thinks that NY and Dublin have got a big deal going on
It's nothing compared to the deal with have with PNL 8)
You mean the deal with Cape Town 8) ;)
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 07:40:29 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2015, 07:38:01 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2015, 06:22:43 PM
Everyone thinks that NY and Dublin have got a big deal going on
It's nothing compared to the deal with have with PNL 8)
You mean the deal with Cape Town 8) ;)
Meanwhile at Berlin, Jack Redpath attracted some interest not too long ago.
Boom.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 02, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
Ah...
Daniel Cross retires. I was quite confident he would be around next year, and be a premo defender ::)
FARK!
Quote from: meow meow on September 02, 2015, 01:00:58 PM
It's not all bad. At least Purps has some cap space to chase a guy like Libba now.
Quote from: meow meow on September 02, 2015, 01:00:58 PM
It's not all bad. At least Purps has some cap space to chase a guy like Libba now.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PMJarrad Grant started for us this year
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Quote from: Holz on September 02, 2015, 03:26:09 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
PNL has half of the forwards in the league.
Quote from: Holz on September 02, 2015, 03:26:09 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
PNL has half of the forwards in the league.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 02, 2015, 04:27:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Well Shaun Higgins is being traded but, you've missed the boat there.
We do also have Tom Hawkins, Lachie Hunter, Andrejs Everitt, Jeremy Cameron, Stewart Crameri, Craig Bird, Adam Cooney, Sam Reid, Darcy Lang, Mitch Honeychurch, Brandon Jack, Dean Kent and Peter Wright
Only Hawkins and Hunter (based on his form to finish the year) are definite starters for most teams Best XVs but, some of them could develop in to starters in the future perhaps.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 02, 2015, 04:33:25 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 02, 2015, 04:27:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Well Shaun Higgins is being traded but, you've missed the boat there.
We do also have Tom Hawkins, Lachie Hunter, Andrejs Everitt, Jeremy Cameron, Stewart Crameri, Craig Bird, Adam Cooney, Sam Reid, Darcy Lang, Mitch Honeychurch, Brandon Jack, Dean Kent and Peter Wright
Only Hawkins and Hunter (based on his form to finish the year) are definite starters for most teams Best XVs but, some of them could develop in to starters in the future perhaps.
Pretty harsh that you've shut people out of trading already Memph. Maybe Buenos Aires and Toronto could've offered you something better for Higgins, but have chosen to exclude them.
gotta say guys, no trades are final, it isn't poor form to accept a better offer. It is poor form to shut teams out
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:42:06 PMQuote from: Holz on September 02, 2015, 03:26:09 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
PNL has half of the forwards in the league.
I know! And they are super tight with trading them!
Quote from: ossie85 on September 02, 2015, 04:33:25 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 02, 2015, 04:27:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Well Shaun Higgins is being traded but, you've missed the boat there.
We do also have Tom Hawkins, Lachie Hunter, Andrejs Everitt, Jeremy Cameron, Stewart Crameri, Craig Bird, Adam Cooney, Sam Reid, Darcy Lang, Mitch Honeychurch, Brandon Jack, Dean Kent and Peter Wright
Only Hawkins and Hunter (based on his form to finish the year) are definite starters for most teams Best XVs but, some of them could develop in to starters in the future perhaps.
Pretty harsh that you've shut people out of trading already Memph. Maybe Buenos Aires and Toronto could've offered you something better for Higgins, but have chosen to exclude them.
gotta say guys, no trades are final, it isn't poor form to accept a better offer. It is poor form to shut teams out
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 02, 2015, 05:56:42 PMQuote from: ossie85 on September 02, 2015, 04:33:25 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 02, 2015, 04:27:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Just wanting to confirm - Is there ANY team who is willing to trade a starting forward?
Well Shaun Higgins is being traded but, you've missed the boat there.
We do also have Tom Hawkins, Lachie Hunter, Andrejs Everitt, Jeremy Cameron, Stewart Crameri, Craig Bird, Adam Cooney, Sam Reid, Darcy Lang, Mitch Honeychurch, Brandon Jack, Dean Kent and Peter Wright
Only Hawkins and Hunter (based on his form to finish the year) are definite starters for most teams Best XVs but, some of them could develop in to starters in the future perhaps.
Pretty harsh that you've shut people out of trading already Memph. Maybe Buenos Aires and Toronto could've offered you something better for Higgins, but have chosen to exclude them.
gotta say guys, no trades are final, it isn't poor form to accept a better offer. It is poor form to shut teams out
Coaches need to do what is best for their clubs and target specific requirements to improve their teams.
If deals done meet requirements of clubs then why do we need to throw it open to get "Better" offers that meet our requirements yet?
If the deals we are happy with get negged come the time when trade period opens and we cannot agree to a re-negotiated deal then we can throw it open.
Quote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I cant believe it but at this stage I actually have no further trades planned.
If i get the two trades I have planned finalised I think im set. Amazingly I still have draft picks.
Watch out I have only ever had 2 first round picks and I got Jaeger Omeara and Jesse Hogan who have gone on to win the rising star award.
So whoever gets selected 18/19 just give him the medal already.
Quote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I cant believe it but at this stage I actually have no further trades planned.
If i get the two trades I have planned finalised I think im set. Amazingly I still have draft picks.
Watch out I have only ever had 2 first round picks and I got Jaeger Omeara and Jesse Hogan who have gone on to win the rising star award.
So whoever gets selected 18/19 just give him the medal already.
Quote from: Ricochet on August 26, 2015, 04:38:32 PM
After excluding some of our favourite boys from trade talks, we're now considering offers for all NDT lads, including Conigs,Gaffand Nicholls. So hit us up with an offer if you're interested
Also if your interested in the boys below, throw us a pick (or can be used as a sweetners in other offers).
W HamsS Darley
R Warnock
J White
S TunbridgeC Giles
Bl Johnson
T O'Brien
L Sumner
D Talia
R BailL McCarthy
S Russell
L Pierce
Si White
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 01:20:24 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I cant believe it but at this stage I actually have no further trades planned.
If i get the two trades I have planned finalised I think im set. Amazingly I still have draft picks.
Watch out I have only ever had 2 first round picks and I got Jaeger Omeara and Jesse Hogan who have gone on to win the rising star award.
So whoever gets selected 18/19 just give him the medal already.
What pick did you get those guys though? I'd wager it wasn't as far back as Pick 19 (which is what you have I think Holz)...
Quote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 01:34:25 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 01:20:24 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I cant believe it but at this stage I actually have no further trades planned.
If i get the two trades I have planned finalised I think im set. Amazingly I still have draft picks.
Watch out I have only ever had 2 first round picks and I got Jaeger Omeara and Jesse Hogan who have gone on to win the rising star award.
So whoever gets selected 18/19 just give him the medal already.
What pick did you get those guys though? I'd wager it wasn't as far back as Pick 19 (which is what you have I think Holz)...
to be fair it was 5 and 10.
Ill have pick 18 when i finish runnerup :P
i think people have wised up. Im going to be pretty disapointed if the clear top 3 SC players dont go 1,2,3. Given that Ric/Ele have 1 and 2 i think its safe to say they will take 2 of them and im pretty sure iknow which two (before even speaking to them about it)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 02:06:37 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 01:34:25 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 01:20:24 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I cant believe it but at this stage I actually have no further trades planned.
If i get the two trades I have planned finalised I think im set. Amazingly I still have draft picks.
Watch out I have only ever had 2 first round picks and I got Jaeger Omeara and Jesse Hogan who have gone on to win the rising star award.
So whoever gets selected 18/19 just give him the medal already.
What pick did you get those guys though? I'd wager it wasn't as far back as Pick 19 (which is what you have I think Holz)...
to be fair it was 5 and 10.
Ill have pick 18 when i finish runnerup :P
i think people have wised up. Im going to be pretty disapointed if the clear top 3 SC players dont go 1,2,3. Given that Ric/Ele have 1 and 2 i think its safe to say they will take 2 of them and im pretty sure iknow which two (before even speaking to them about it)
How did Hogan slip to Nat 10???
Man I wish I was at Cape Town when that draft went down...
With regards to this year's draft I think like last year there there are probably a clear best 6 (there were 5 last year imo) and then things start to get a bit more interesting.
Quote from: meow meow on September 03, 2015, 02:13:59 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 02:06:37 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 01:34:25 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 01:20:24 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I cant believe it but at this stage I actually have no further trades planned.
If i get the two trades I have planned finalised I think im set. Amazingly I still have draft picks.
Watch out I have only ever had 2 first round picks and I got Jaeger Omeara and Jesse Hogan who have gone on to win the rising star award.
So whoever gets selected 18/19 just give him the medal already.
What pick did you get those guys though? I'd wager it wasn't as far back as Pick 19 (which is what you have I think Holz)...
to be fair it was 5 and 10.
Ill have pick 18 when i finish runnerup :P
i think people have wised up. Im going to be pretty disapointed if the clear top 3 SC players dont go 1,2,3. Given that Ric/Ele have 1 and 2 i think its safe to say they will take 2 of them and im pretty sure iknow which two (before even speaking to them about it)
How did Hogan slip to Nat 10???
Man I wish I was at Cape Town when that draft went down...
With regards to this year's draft I think like last year there there are probably a clear best 6 (there were 5 last year imo) and then things start to get a bit more interesting.
People didn't want to wait one year for the GOAT. WXV and patience don't go together very well.
The 6 best players might not be the 6 most valuable SCers though.
Quote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 02:17:23 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 03, 2015, 02:13:59 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 02:06:37 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 01:34:25 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2015, 01:20:24 PMQuote from: Holz on September 03, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I cant believe it but at this stage I actually have no further trades planned.
If i get the two trades I have planned finalised I think im set. Amazingly I still have draft picks.
Watch out I have only ever had 2 first round picks and I got Jaeger Omeara and Jesse Hogan who have gone on to win the rising star award.
So whoever gets selected 18/19 just give him the medal already.
What pick did you get those guys though? I'd wager it wasn't as far back as Pick 19 (which is what you have I think Holz)...
to be fair it was 5 and 10.
Ill have pick 18 when i finish runnerup :P
i think people have wised up. Im going to be pretty disapointed if the clear top 3 SC players dont go 1,2,3. Given that Ric/Ele have 1 and 2 i think its safe to say they will take 2 of them and im pretty sure iknow which two (before even speaking to them about it)
How did Hogan slip to Nat 10???
Man I wish I was at Cape Town when that draft went down...
With regards to this year's draft I think like last year there there are probably a clear best 6 (there were 5 last year imo) and then things start to get a bit more interesting.
People didn't want to wait one year for the GOAT. WXV and patience don't go together very well.
The 6 best players might not be the 6 most valuable SCers though.
i think meph was talking SC, the guy knows what he is talking about.
If Schache goes top 2 can we please kick that coach out the league immediately and let the new coach take the pick :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 06, 2015, 03:30:46 PM
Wow meow your giving away both roberton and Zorko? Curios to see who you're bringing in for them
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 06, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
Well alot of people have come knocking. We've had offers we like for Zach Merrett, Daniel Rich and a Ruckman from us that we like and suit our needs. But if you think you can top the deals, feel free to hit Daz or myself up :).
We're open to deals, and will only trade starters for fringe depth if we like the players and help improve the squad in someway as we're happy with the team with some minor adjustments.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 07, 2015, 12:51:48 AM#draftpicks
Lock them in for back 2 back spoons if he is there #1 ruck
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 07, 2015, 02:03:24 PM
TRADING WINDOW OPEN
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 07, 2015, 02:23:02 PM
Dale Thomas & Jack Grimes look to be on the move!
Speak up now, or forever hold your peace :)
Treloar... will be the death of me in trade talks... MIGHT be on the move as well.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 07, 2015, 02:23:02 PM
Dale Thomas & Jack Grimes look to be on the move!
Speak up now, or forever hold your peace :)
Treloar... will be the death of me in trade talks... MIGHT be on the move as well.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 07, 2015, 02:37:02 PMHow about people trust that we know what we're doing and let us do our thing :P
Hmm not sure about New Delhi trading two of their best players out.
Zac Williams was having a great finish to the year and was probably on form would be their D1 next season while Gaff was clearly their M1 this season.
Not sure the players you're getting in are any better to be honest.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 07, 2015, 02:37:02 PM
Hmm not sure about New Delhi trading two of their best players out.
Zac Williams was having a great finish to the year and was probably on form would be their D1 next season while Gaff was clearly their M1 this season.
Not sure the players you're getting in are any better to be honest.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 07, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Harley Bennell >:(
That is all.
Quote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 02:43:47 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 07, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Harley Bennell >:(
That is all.
Michael Walters aint looking too bad now is he :P
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 07, 2015, 02:48:03 PMQuote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 02:43:47 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 07, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
Harley Bennell >:(
That is all.
Michael Walters aint looking too bad now is he :P
Oh flower off... haha ::) I knew something like this was going to happen.
Quote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 02:40:52 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 07, 2015, 02:37:02 PM
Hmm not sure about New Delhi trading two of their best players out.
Zac Williams was having a great finish to the year and was probably on form would be their D1 next season while Gaff was clearly their M1 this season.
Not sure the players you're getting in are any better to be honest.
disagree they have done very very well in my books.
Rich is a quality defender and someone i would defainltey target (but didnt knowing NDT was going for him)
Jack Martin is a gun and will take time but huge upside.
They can draft two good mids with there picks so Gaff isnt a loss.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 07, 2015, 02:51:56 PMQuote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 02:40:52 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 07, 2015, 02:37:02 PM
Hmm not sure about New Delhi trading two of their best players out.
Zac Williams was having a great finish to the year and was probably on form would be their D1 next season while Gaff was clearly their M1 this season.
Not sure the players you're getting in are any better to be honest.
disagree they have done very very well in my books.
Rich is a quality defender and someone i would defainltey target (but didnt knowing NDT was going for him)
Jack Martin is a gun and will take time but huge upside.
They can draft two good mids with there picks so Gaff isnt a loss.
Rich won't be a defender though? The fact he got def in AFL Fantasy mid-season was a fluke. Check out his heat maps and you'll see they are centered on the middle of the ground.
They aren't bad trades actually. But, you're probably setting yourself back a bit in your surge up the ladder (I believe you can do it) by trading Gaff for Martin I think. But, then again so are we (with our flag push) in order to get a better team when we are ready so best of luck.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
holz didn't you also say Walters was going to go 90+
Quote from: Toga on September 07, 2015, 04:01:44 PMAgreed no problem there.
I like NDT's trade for Rich, definitely the kind of deals they should be looking at doing. Nice one boys! :)
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
Rico said I'm allowed to blame him if our Gaff deal flops, which I would have done anyway :P
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
Rico said I'm allowed to blame him if our Gaff deal flops, which I would have done anyway :P
Quote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 04:34:21 PMQuote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
Rico said I'm allowed to blame him if our Gaff deal flops, which I would have done anyway :P
so when it doesnt, Rico gets all the credit :)
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 04:36:55 PMQuote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 04:34:21 PMQuote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
Rico said I'm allowed to blame him if our Gaff deal flops, which I would have done anyway :P
so when it doesnt, Rico gets all the credit :)
IF and sure haha
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 07, 2015, 02:42:08 PMi'll still take him at a reduced price ofc :P
Harley Bennell >:(
That is all.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 07, 2015, 03:11:44 PMwilling to take the punt on willaims as a Def with a few aging players needed to inject some youth ;)
Williams a 70avg defender who when GWS have their best 22 probably not in their best side and Apeness a long way off best 22 at freo.
Rich averaged only the 80 this year but has decent JS and watching Brisbane play a lot this year should be DPP def/mid
Moller is behind in the pecking order at Freo.
It is a pretty good trade for NDT IMO.
PNL probably happy to do the trade to free up cap room.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 07, 2015, 05:45:38 PMHaha I know we overpaid quite a bit but no one will give a ruckmen for anything less than that. Rucks being at a premium is an understatement.
Well NDT just got an absolute steal so well played!
Quote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:47:43 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 07, 2015, 05:45:38 PMHaha I know we overpaid quite a bit but no one will give a ruckmen for anything less than that. Rucks being at a premium is an understatement.
Well NDT just got an absolute steal so well played!
Quote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 05:49:29 PMThanks man, the other team that knows the feels of not having a ruck. :P
Nah, well done to the Dillos I reckon. Vin's right and he's done well to basically get the Suns rucks to an extent.
Quote from: Toga on September 07, 2015, 05:46:35 PM
I'm really liking NDT's trading so far!
Quote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:51:46 PMQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 05:49:29 PMThanks man, the other team that knows the feels of not having a ruck. :P
Nah, well done to the Dillos I reckon. Vin's right and he's done well to basically get the Suns rucks to an extent.
Quote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:47:43 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 07, 2015, 05:45:38 PMHaha I know we overpaid quite a bit but no one will give a ruckmen for anything less than that. Rucks being at a premium is an understatement.
Well NDT just got an absolute steal so well played!
Quote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:51:46 PM#nomummynocairo #awilddownieandlobbappearedQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 05:49:29 PMThanks man, the other team that knows the feels of not having a ruck. :P
Nah, well done to the Dillos I reckon. Vin's right and he's done well to basically get the Suns rucks to an extent.
Quote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 06:03:55 PMHahahaQuote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:51:46 PM#nomummynocairo #awilddownieandlobbappearedQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 05:49:29 PMThanks man, the other team that knows the feels of not having a ruck. :P
Nah, well done to the Dillos I reckon. Vin's right and he's done well to basically get the Suns rucks to an extent.
Boomz, pls give us Phillips. :(
Quote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 06:05:33 PM
Ill just say this.
alot of very very active coaches today as surely nobody else besides Dublin and New York were talking trades before the trade period opened.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 07, 2015, 06:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 06:05:33 PM
Ill just say this.
alot of very very active coaches today as surely nobody else besides Dublin and New York were talking trades before the trade period opened.
Our other monster deal involved a certain player who was charged by police on the weekend and put up for trade by his club. So we need to have a think about that one.
Quote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 06:53:56 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 07, 2015, 06:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on September 07, 2015, 06:05:33 PM
Ill just say this.
alot of very very active coaches today as surely nobody else besides Dublin and New York were talking trades before the trade period opened.
Our other monster deal involved a certain player who was charged by police on the weekend and put up for trade by his club. So we need to have a think about that one.
Was a minor incident. If anything moving from gc should increase his trade value
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 02:42:20 PMzach merrett aves 88 and is a year younger :P (ok 8 months younger)
Jack Martin averages nearly 90 unsubbed at just 20 years of age. He's only gonna improve and in our opinion will be even better than H.Bennell.
Howe and Rich have mass SC potential, coming into their prime now.
Its buying low, selling high basically.
Look what we did last season with Mitch Duncan.
And yep, lets not bring up the Taylor Adams negged trade again ffs ::) :p
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 07, 2015, 07:53:25 PMtrue
Just because hes younger doesnt mean he will improve more
Quote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 06:03:55 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:51:46 PM#nomummynocairo #awilddownieandlobbappearedQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 05:49:29 PMThanks man, the other team that knows the feels of not having a ruck. :P
Nah, well done to the Dillos I reckon. Vin's right and he's done well to basically get the Suns rucks to an extent.
Boomz, pls give us Phillips. :(
Quote from: DazBurg on September 07, 2015, 09:21:48 PMQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 06:03:55 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:51:46 PM#nomummynocairo #awilddownieandlobbappearedQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 05:49:29 PMThanks man, the other team that knows the feels of not having a ruck. :P
Nah, well done to the Dillos I reckon. Vin's right and he's done well to basically get the Suns rucks to an extent.
Boomz, pls give us Phillips. :(
Carlton is poised to land GWS pair Lachie Plowman and Andrew Phillips during the trade period according to 3AW.
better Nige? ;)
Quote from: DazBurg on September 07, 2015, 09:21:48 PMYeah, that works for me haha. :PQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 06:03:55 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 07, 2015, 05:51:46 PM#nomummynocairo #awilddownieandlobbappearedQuote from: Nige on September 07, 2015, 05:49:29 PMThanks man, the other team that knows the feels of not having a ruck. :P
Nah, well done to the Dillos I reckon. Vin's right and he's done well to basically get the Suns rucks to an extent.
Boomz, pls give us Phillips. :(
Carlton is poised to land GWS pair Lachie Plowman and Andrew Phillips during the trade period according to 3AW.
better Nige? ;)
Quote from: DazBurg on September 07, 2015, 09:21:48 PM
Carlton is poised to land GWS pair Lachie Plowman and Andrew Phillips during the trade period according to 3AW.
better Nige? ;)
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:17:17 PMI suppose so, guess it depends on how much Stanley is valued by the Coaches.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
Alright then.
Old Mackie and a pick for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal!
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:17:17 PMThere are plenty of mids who average 95, but not many young rucks with good job security. It's a supply/demand thing. Look at what the Gold Coast rucks sold for.. We'd be doing ourselves an injustice if we didn't get a good package for Stanley :)Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
Alright then.
Old Mackie and a pick for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal!
Quote from: Holz on September 08, 2015, 03:22:53 PMWith Dixon out the door there is a massive opportunity for Day next year. And Levis is taking that punt on a very high draft pick. Fair enough imo.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
not sure i agree on that one. Day has had 5 years in the system and is still just a reserve player who takes up cap space. mackie is still a starter in nearly every team in the league.
I would want my Key Player to show some scoring ability at this stage.
for example; Josh Bruce 4 years in the system and only 67 average however 81 145 79 99 120 109
Sam Day has not gone over 75 all year, in fact he regressed from last year.
Quote from: Holz on September 08, 2015, 03:22:53 PMWell that's your opinion and you are allowed to have one. But you know what they say about opinions? :)Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
not sure i agree on that one. Day has had 5 years in the system and is still just a reserve player who takes up cap space. mackie is still a starter in nearly every team in the league.
I would want my Key Player to show some scoring ability at this stage.
for example; Josh Bruce 4 years in the system and only 67 average however 81 145 79 99 120 109
Sam Day has not gone over 75 all year, in fact he regressed from last year.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:32:01 PMQuote from: Holz on September 08, 2015, 03:22:53 PMWell that's your opinion and you are allowed to have one. But you know what they say about opinions? :)Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
not sure i agree on that one. Day has had 5 years in the system and is still just a reserve player who takes up cap space. mackie is still a starter in nearly every team in the league.
I would want my Key Player to show some scoring ability at this stage.
for example; Josh Bruce 4 years in the system and only 67 average however 81 145 79 99 120 109
Sam Day has not gone over 75 all year, in fact he regressed from last year.
Quote from: Holz on September 08, 2015, 03:33:05 PMNot quite, but good guess. :PQuote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:32:01 PMQuote from: Holz on September 08, 2015, 03:22:53 PMWell that's your opinion and you are allowed to have one. But you know what they say about opinions? :)Quote from: upthemaidens on September 08, 2015, 03:13:43 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:10:07 PMTo be fair Day is worth more than Mackie 31yo there was talk he was going to retire. So how long does he have? 1-2 years at most.
Old Mackie for Day, fair enough... I guess.
A mid who plays every week and averages 95 for a speculative ruck? Steal! With a pick on top too.
Day has potential to be a gun.
not sure i agree on that one. Day has had 5 years in the system and is still just a reserve player who takes up cap space. mackie is still a starter in nearly every team in the league.
I would want my Key Player to show some scoring ability at this stage.
for example; Josh Bruce 4 years in the system and only 67 average however 81 145 79 99 120 109
Sam Day has not gone over 75 all year, in fact he regressed from last year.
respect the educated ones? :)
Quote from: Boomz on September 08, 2015, 03:33:11 PMSame with Jack Redden ^
Suckling, Motlop and Burgoyne possibly on the move so get in if you want them.
Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
A package of one of Nick Smith/Jeremy Laidler and one of Ben Stratton/Sam Rowe available to teams looking for some defensive depth.
A potential starting mid or fwd desired in return.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 08, 2015, 04:10:39 PMYep, pretty much.Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
A package of one of Nick Smith/Jeremy Laidler and one of Ben Stratton/Sam Rowe available to teams looking for some defensive depth.
A potential starting mid or fwd desired in return.
So you're offering 2 of those players and want a starting mid or forward in return?
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 03:43:52 PM
Sandilands 108 average
McKernan 83 average ruck/fwd
Minson - new club next year
Mason Cox - 211cms gun
Ivan Soldo - Richmond's only back up to Ivan and Megan
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2015, 06:56:21 PM
Harley Bennell available for everyone it seems based on above. We want a starting ruck 95-100+ avg and can package a deal together if necessary.
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:01:52 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2015, 06:56:21 PM
Harley Bennell available for everyone it seems based on above. We want a starting ruck 95-100+ avg and can package a deal together if necessary.
Kind of limits your options since there is only 9 of them.
Todd Goldstein 128.8
Stefan Martin 110.8
Sam Jacobs 108.0
Aaron Sandilands 107.8
Shane Mumford 105.7
Mark Blicavs 104.3
Nicholas Naitanui 103.9
Max Gawn 102.1
Ivan Maric 95.4
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2015, 07:03:30 PMIt'll take a shower load more than Bennell to move any of those guys ^Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:01:52 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2015, 06:56:21 PM
Harley Bennell available for everyone it seems based on above. We want a starting ruck 95-100+ avg and can package a deal together if necessary.
Kind of limits your options since there is only 9 of them.
Todd Goldstein 128.8
Stefan Martin 110.8
Sam Jacobs 108.0
Aaron Sandilands 107.8
Shane Mumford 105.7
Mark Blicavs 104.3
Nicholas Naitanui 103.9
Max Gawn 102.1
Ivan Maric 95.4
It does. We do rate Bennell highly.
Quote from: Vinny on September 08, 2015, 07:32:45 PMI did this and you rejected it. :P
Anyone got defence or midfield depth to give, looking for guys that play regularly that average 70+ preferably. Please PM if you got any players!
Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:33:45 PMOh and of course meow, because Wilbur's the only ruck he needs! :PQuote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Speak for yo'self
Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:34:55 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:33:45 PMOh and of course meow, because Wilbur's the only ruck he needs! :PQuote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Speak for yo'self
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:37:43 PMIf only we could all be so lucky.Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:34:55 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:33:45 PMOh and of course meow, because Wilbur's the only ruck he needs! :PQuote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Speak for yo'self
Haha you know it! It also helps that NY gifted me the 15th best ruckman around.
Quote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:37:43 PMQuote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:34:55 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 07:33:45 PMOh and of course meow, because Wilbur's the only ruck he needs! :PQuote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Speak for yo'self
Haha you know it! It also helps that NY gifted me the 15th best ruckman around.
Quote from: Holz on September 08, 2015, 07:36:55 PMQuote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Goldy will move the second someone pays what he is worth.
PM me im not joking, missed back to back grandfinals which cost me going back to back.
Quote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 08, 2015, 08:04:09 PMQuote from: Nige on September 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
With the exception of Cape Town who have Stef and Blitz, I think you'll find none of the teams with any of the rucks listed above will even consider trading them.
We also have Longer and West #RuckDepth.
New York get first crack at Martin now we have decided we don't want Bennell - sorry lads, not your fault really we just don't want to take the risk on a guy who's now one mis-step away from getting sacked IMO. Despite his talent. He's clearly got one strike against him (for the drugs photo) and possibly another (if he was implicated in the K Hunt stuff) as well.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 08, 2015, 07:40:07 PMHave you thought of using drop box and allowing access to coaches that request it.
Oh jeez. 6 new PMs. Gonna be a long night! :P
Also, as promised, I'm sharing all the SC scores for every player for every match.
The FF stats are inaccurate, and this way you can check stats quicker
This site has a couple more steps to it, but it seems to be the only one I can find that my internet security seems to like. I promise my spreadsheet has no viruses :P
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/508219/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
^^ heavily recommend using the excel filters. ^^
Any question, please ask :)
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 08, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
Oh jeez. 6 new PMs. Gonna be a long night! :P
Also, as promised, I'm sharing all the SC scores for every player for every match.
The FF stats are inaccurate, and this way you can check stats quicker
This site has a couple more steps to it, but it seems to be the only one I can find that my internet security seems to like. I promise my spreadsheet has no viruses :P
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/508219/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
^^ heavily recommend using the excel filters. ^^
Any question, please ask :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 08, 2015, 10:47:51 PMI've learnt if nobody is willing to offer what you'd like for them, just keep them and enjoy them.
TBH I don't mind keeping him because I believe everything I've said
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 08, 2015, 11:15:25 PMYeah they are!! New Dehli also making some nice moves, so won't be down the bottom for too long either.
Pacific are going to be well entrenched into the Top 4 at this rate!
Geez they have gotten so much stronger already with their deals :o
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 08, 2015, 11:30:31 PMand we still have N1 and N2 to take the next Heeney and Brayshaw ;)Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 08, 2015, 11:15:25 PMYeah they are!! New Dehli also making some nice moves, so won't be down the bottom for too long either.
Pacific are going to be well entrenched into the Top 4 at this rate!
Geez they have gotten so much stronger already with their deals :o
Quote from: Ringo on September 08, 2015, 08:16:27 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 08, 2015, 07:40:07 PMHave you thought of using drop box and allowing access to coaches that request it.
Oh jeez. 6 new PMs. Gonna be a long night! :P
Also, as promised, I'm sharing all the SC scores for every player for every match.
The FF stats are inaccurate, and this way you can check stats quicker
This site has a couple more steps to it, but it seems to be the only one I can find that my internet security seems to like. I promise my spreadsheet has no viruses :P
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/508219/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
^^ heavily recommend using the excel filters. ^^
Any question, please ask :)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 09, 2015, 12:02:50 AMThe re-draft accomplished nothing really if you look at it.
To be honest at this stage I think Toronto are looking like the side most likely to finish last this season.
Buenos Aires used their get-out-of-jail free card (re-draft) to good effect by somehow plucking all the good midfielders from the re-draft.
How they managed to get Pendles, Ziebell, Swallow, Cunnington, Isaac Smith, Richard Douglas and Jack Crisp is a miracle.
They are a bit short of defenders/forwards though... It looks like Jay Schulz and Lindsay Thomas as F1 and F2 - yuck
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 09, 2015, 09:46:54 AMPretty much. Although I'm pretty sure Ada wanted the challenge since he has an older team in AXVs which he drafted and built for early success (which he got by going back-to-back).
So basically, Vinny got to get a better team and Ada took over the cellar dwellars? LOL :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 09, 2015, 09:46:54 AM
So basically, Vinny got to get a better team and Ada took over the cellar dwellars? LOL :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2015, 09:12:21 AMYep but you give them access when they ask and provide email address. have to provide email address to get as is so no different and you can upload other info as well. I use drop box a lot for organisations I am involved with.Quote from: Ringo on September 08, 2015, 08:16:27 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 08, 2015, 07:40:07 PMHave you thought of using drop box and allowing access to coaches that request it.
Oh jeez. 6 new PMs. Gonna be a long night! :P
Also, as promised, I'm sharing all the SC scores for every player for every match.
The FF stats are inaccurate, and this way you can check stats quicker
This site has a couple more steps to it, but it seems to be the only one I can find that my internet security seems to like. I promise my spreadsheet has no viruses :P
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/508219/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
^^ heavily recommend using the excel filters. ^^
Any question, please ask :)
Would I need people's email addresses for that?
Quote from: JROO8 on September 09, 2015, 04:41:14 PM
Anyone looking to trade gun mids? Not too fussed about age
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 04:51:31 PMNah not him :PQuote from: JROO8 on September 09, 2015, 04:41:14 PM
Anyone looking to trade gun mids? Not too fussed about age
Scott Thompson all yours.
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 04:38:34 PM
I've offerd both Bryce Gibbs & Hamish Hartlett in return for a captain option and a young player that I like (not best 22 at his club yet, pitiful average). There's a few other clubs around that have similar talent on their list so if anyone would like a piece of this action send an enquiry.
Wanted to keep Hartlett until positions are announced because he's a sneaky chance at M/D DPP but impatience gets the better of me.
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:11:43 PMRejected for shocking English.
Holz your such a liar you will never trade Goldy, stop pumping things up
Dublin give: T. Goldstein, J. Watson, J. Holmes, D. Currie, M. Daw
Rio give: S. Jacobs, M. Murphy, J. Riewoldt, A. Walker, T. Garner, T. Read
reason: Knowone is Sacred.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2015, 08:18:19 PM
:o
And the new leader for biggest trade so far goes to...
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:11:43 PM
Dublin give: T. Goldstein, J. Watson, J. Holmes, D. Currie, M. Daw
Rio give: S. Jacobs, M. Murphy, J. Riewoldt, A. Walker, T. Garner, T. Read
reason: nobody is Sacred.
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 08:23:12 PM
Fkn hell Holz
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 08:29:48 PM
I'll just say it now, I'm definitely blocking that.
Todd is enormous but Jacobs isn't that far behind. Murphy being better and younger than Watson (who sits out 1/3 of the year) + Andy Walker makes up for it.
Then there's spud depth for spud depth.
Even.
Then there's JRoo for... nothing.
I thought offering Zaha for McKernan was bad but that trade is awful.
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:35:41 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 08:29:48 PM
I'll just say it now, I'm definitely blocking that.
Todd is enormous but Jacobs isn't that far behind. Murphy being better and younger than Watson (who sits out 1/3 of the year) + Andy Walker makes up for it.
Then there's spud depth for spud depth.
Even.
Then there's JRoo for... nothing.
I thought offering Zaha for McKernan was bad but that trade is awful.
Saying Jroo for Nothing is like saying Rocky for nothing. Which is more accurate :P
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:45:12 PM
let me just do a quick edit
Team A: T. Goldstein, J. Watson, J. Holmes, D. Currie, M. Daw
Rio give: S. Jacobs, M. Murphy, J. Riewoldt, A. Walker, T. Garner, T. Read
and not a word was said.
Quote from: Boomz on September 09, 2015, 08:48:58 PMExactly, and meow explained why.
Yeah it's a shocker and has nothing to do with Dublin being involved.
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 08:48:40 PMQuote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:45:12 PM
let me just do a quick edit
Team A: T. Goldstein, J. Watson, J. Holmes, D. Currie, M. Daw
Rio give: S. Jacobs, M. Murphy, J. Riewoldt, A. Walker, T. Garner, T. Read
and not a word was said.
Are you Adam Goodes?
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 08:48:40 PMwoah, can of worms mateQuote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:45:12 PM
let me just do a quick edit
Team A: T. Goldstein, J. Watson, J. Holmes, D. Currie, M. Daw
Rio give: S. Jacobs, M. Murphy, J. Riewoldt, A. Walker, T. Garner, T. Read
and not a word was said.
Are you Adam Goodes?
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:52:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 08:48:40 PMQuote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:45:12 PM
let me just do a quick edit
Team A: T. Goldstein, J. Watson, J. Holmes, D. Currie, M. Daw
Rio give: S. Jacobs, M. Murphy, J. Riewoldt, A. Walker, T. Garner, T. Read
and not a word was said.
Are you Adam Goodes?
what are you in-suiting about Goodes.
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:52:10 PM
what are you in-suiting about Goodes.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
Four Starters for two starters is a pretty good effort, no matter which Clubs are involved in the trade.
Quote from: Toga on September 09, 2015, 08:47:53 PMHahahah ;D
Hang on Dublin has Goldstein. Team A is Dublin!
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:56:19 PMNo mention of 2013 where he played 21 games with a 106avg. Must of slipped your mind.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
Four Starters for two starters is a pretty good effort, no matter which Clubs are involved in the trade.
This probably wouldnt help my cause but at Dublin only 2 of them will start possibly 1.
I love how nobody was keen for Walker in trade talks but now the guy who played 11 games for a 63 average is a starter coming off a season before of 14 games
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 09:07:53 PM
If Walker is a walk up starter, please when you guys reject the trade put in your big offers for him. I want to see something good in the deal though.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 09:11:06 PMQuote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:56:19 PMNo mention of 2013 where he played 21 games with a 106avg. Must of slipped your mind.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
Four Starters for two starters is a pretty good effort, no matter which Clubs are involved in the trade.
This probably wouldnt help my cause but at Dublin only 2 of them will start possibly 1.
I love how nobody was keen for Walker in trade talks but now the guy who played 11 games for a 63 average is a starter coming off a season before of 14 games
Quote from: Vinny on September 09, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Holz, can you break down the deal properly and explain why you believe it is fair?
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 09:22:41 PMGOATstein!
Levi, can you break down the trade and tell us your logic behind it?
Quote from: Vinny on September 09, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Holz, can you break down the deal properly and explain why you believe it is fair?
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 09:18:39 PMYou are making an argument to why someone wouldn't get him, yet you are getting him.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 09:11:06 PMQuote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:56:19 PMNo mention of 2013 where he played 21 games with a 106avg. Must of slipped your mind.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
Four Starters for two starters is a pretty good effort, no matter which Clubs are involved in the trade.
This probably wouldnt help my cause but at Dublin only 2 of them will start possibly 1.
I love how nobody was keen for Walker in trade talks but now the guy who played 11 games for a 63 average is a starter coming off a season before of 14 games
Do you mean when his body wasnt falling apart and he was in a prime SC role playing in a finals team.
if you want him if it gets rejected offer a really good player for him. Ill vote against it as he is no good and its an unfair trade but im sure everyone else will pass it.
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 09:25:42 PMI certainly don't
I trust the people i talk to.
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 09:25:42 PMWell I think it'll help in getting it to pass if you can explain it. People have broken it down and shown why they think it shouldn't, let them know why it should?Quote from: Vinny on September 09, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Holz, can you break down the deal properly and explain why you believe it is fair?
Its not my job to do that.
I would ask that people break it down themselves.
I asked alot of good coaches and some said good deal, some said I dont know and a few said are you crazy why give up goldy. None said it was completely one sided one way or the other.
I trust the people i talk to.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 09:27:11 PMAmen to that.Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 09:25:42 PMI certainly don't
I trust the people i talk to.
Quote from: Vinny on September 09, 2015, 09:31:44 PM
NDT on fire by the way, well done boys.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 09, 2015, 09:38:32 PMYeah, but Jroo is the perfect F7 for Holz!
Well that trade has certainly sparked up things around here
Just tweak the deal guys, because you know it wont pass if you don't. Doesn't matter how you justify it, plenty of coaches have given you the heads up that they will neg it, so instead of wasting time arguing your point just go back and make some adjustments :)
You already have enough forwards anyway Holz. Just remove JROO from the offer and it will most likely pass
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 09, 2015, 09:38:32 PM
Well that trade has certainly sparked up things around here
Just tweak the deal guys, because you know it wont pass if you don't. Doesn't matter how you justify it, plenty of coaches have given you the heads up that they will neg it, so instead of wasting time arguing your point just go back and make some adjustments :)
You already have enough forwards anyway Holz. Just remove JROO from the offer and it will most likely pass
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 09:26:37 PMQuote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 09:18:39 PMYou are making an argument to why someone wouldn't get him, yet you are getting him.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 09:11:06 PMQuote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 08:56:19 PMNo mention of 2013 where he played 21 games with a 106avg. Must of slipped your mind.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 09, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
Four Starters for two starters is a pretty good effort, no matter which Clubs are involved in the trade.
This probably wouldnt help my cause but at Dublin only 2 of them will start possibly 1.
I love how nobody was keen for Walker in trade talks but now the guy who played 11 games for a 63 average is a starter coming off a season before of 14 games
Do you mean when his body wasnt falling apart and he was in a prime SC role playing in a finals team.
if you want him if it gets rejected offer a really good player for him. Ill vote against it as he is no good and its an unfair trade but im sure everyone else will pass it.
Hey I think it's a good trade for you, well done.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 09:54:51 PMC'mon Daz.. There are 60 mids who averaged more than Stephen Hill last year. Let's not make him out to be some untradeable asset. We wanted him to bolster our mids, and gave up a best 22, young ruckman to get him.
to be fair it is a tad one sided
but if you neg the dublin/rio deal then you have to neg the pacific/rio deal imo
Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:18:10 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 09:54:51 PMC'mon Daz.. There are 60 mids who averaged more than Stephen Hill last year. Let's not make him out to be some untradeable asset. We wanted him to bolster our mids, and gave up a best 22, young ruckman to get him.
to be fair it is a tad one sided
but if you neg the dublin/rio deal then you have to neg the pacific/rio deal imo
Holz is getting Jroo who is border-line elite in his position. Massive difference. I'm not saying the Goldy trade is worth negging, but you can't compare it to the Pacific/Rio one..
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Stanley isn't best 22 at the Cats though...
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 10:32:48 PM
All i need is one person to answer this
Does Anyone think that the Bennell trade is more even then the Goldy trade?
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
So JRoo is giving us too much then i'm guessing ???
I have learned from last year. Just go with the flow and if it is blocked renegotiate.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 10:32:21 PMI respect your stance, mate. But we gave up Sam Day too - a guy taken pick 3 and now with Dixon leaving the Gold Coast, he has the opportunity to become a really nice player. And Levi was willing to take the punt. We don't think it's a one-sided trade at all, but I guess we'll have to wait and see when the votes are tallied up - I trust the coaches here to come up with a fair review. I mean, you only have to look at what Vinny gave up to realise the value of a good ruckman!Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:18:10 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 09:54:51 PMC'mon Daz.. There are 60 mids who averaged more than Stephen Hill last year. Let's not make him out to be some untradeable asset. We wanted him to bolster our mids, and gave up a best 22, young ruckman to get him.
to be fair it is a tad one sided
but if you neg the dublin/rio deal then you have to neg the pacific/rio deal imo
Holz is getting Jroo who is border-line elite in his position. Massive difference. I'm not saying the Goldy trade is worth negging, but you can't compare it to the Pacific/Rio one..Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Stanley isn't best 22 at the Cats though...
stanley is a spud not best 22 and had a couple of good games this year
best season ave 72
hill agreed isn't that great but mackie with 2 more years to come at least and ave only 3 points less then Jroo so could also be considered borderline elite for his position
not saying i'm negging or not negging your deal and not saying i'm negging or not negging the dublin one
just stating if we neg one there is ground to neg the other as both have 1 sided elements to them
Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:47:33 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 10:32:21 PMI respect your stance, mate. But we gave up Sam Day too - a guy taken pick 3 and now with Dixon leaving the Gold Coast, he has the opportunity to become a really nice player. And Levi was willing to take the punt. We don't think it's a one-sided trade at all, but I guess we'll have to wait and see when the votes are tallied up - I trust the coaches here to come up with a fair review. I mean, you only have to look at what Vinny gave up to realise the value of a good ruckman!Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:18:10 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 09:54:51 PMC'mon Daz.. There are 60 mids who averaged more than Stephen Hill last year. Let's not make him out to be some untradeable asset. We wanted him to bolster our mids, and gave up a best 22, young ruckman to get him.
to be fair it is a tad one sided
but if you neg the dublin/rio deal then you have to neg the pacific/rio deal imo
Holz is getting Jroo who is border-line elite in his position. Massive difference. I'm not saying the Goldy trade is worth negging, but you can't compare it to the Pacific/Rio one..Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Stanley isn't best 22 at the Cats though...
stanley is a spud not best 22 and had a couple of good games this year
best season ave 72
hill agreed isn't that great but mackie with 2 more years to come at least and ave only 3 points less then Jroo so could also be considered borderline elite for his position
not saying i'm negging or not negging your deal and not saying i'm negging or not negging the dublin one
just stating if we neg one there is ground to neg the other as both have 1 sided elements to them
Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:47:33 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 10:32:21 PMI respect your stance, mate. But we gave up Sam Day too - a guy taken pick 3 and now with Dixon leaving the Gold Coast, he has the opportunity to become a really nice player. And Levi was willing to take the punt. We don't think it's a one-sided trade at all, but I guess we'll have to wait and see when the votes are tallied up - I trust the coaches here to come up with a fair review. I mean, you only have to look at what Vinny gave up to realise the value of a good ruckman!Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:18:10 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 09:54:51 PMC'mon Daz.. There are 60 mids who averaged more than Stephen Hill last year. Let's not make him out to be some untradeable asset. We wanted him to bolster our mids, and gave up a best 22, young ruckman to get him.
to be fair it is a tad one sided
but if you neg the dublin/rio deal then you have to neg the pacific/rio deal imo
Holz is getting Jroo who is border-line elite in his position. Massive difference. I'm not saying the Goldy trade is worth negging, but you can't compare it to the Pacific/Rio one..Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Stanley isn't best 22 at the Cats though...
stanley is a spud not best 22 and had a couple of good games this year
best season ave 72
hill agreed isn't that great but mackie with 2 more years to come at least and ave only 3 points less then Jroo so could also be considered borderline elite for his position
not saying i'm negging or not negging your deal and not saying i'm negging or not negging the dublin one
just stating if we neg one there is ground to neg the other as both have 1 sided elements to them
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 10:50:12 PMSurely taking the piss? I gave no ruck men to get Nicholls. The Rio/Dublin deal is the exchanging of two premium rucks. You are just strengthening everyone's point that Nicholls is at a premium, Goldy is at a premium and so is Jacobs. Yes Goldy is the best but once again, the rest of the trade justify that difference.Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:47:33 PM
I respect your stance, mate. But we gave up Sam Day too - a guy taken pick 3 and now with Dixon leaving the Gold Coast, he has the opportunity to become a really nice player. And Levi was willing to take the punt. We don't think it's a one-sided trade at all, but I guess we'll have to wait and see when the votes are tallied up - I trust the coaches here to come up with a fair review. I mean, you only have to look at what Vinny gave up to realise the value of a good ruckman!
Nicholls goes at massive premium and Goldy is meh not that good.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 10:51:17 PMThis is a great point ^Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:47:33 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 10:32:21 PMI respect your stance, mate. But we gave up Sam Day too - a guy taken pick 3 and now with Dixon leaving the Gold Coast, he has the opportunity to become a really nice player. And Levi was willing to take the punt. We don't think it's a one-sided trade at all, but I guess we'll have to wait and see when the votes are tallied up - I trust the coaches here to come up with a fair review. I mean, you only have to look at what Vinny gave up to realise the value of a good ruckman!Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:18:10 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 09:54:51 PMC'mon Daz.. There are 60 mids who averaged more than Stephen Hill last year. Let's not make him out to be some untradeable asset. We wanted him to bolster our mids, and gave up a best 22, young ruckman to get him.
to be fair it is a tad one sided
but if you neg the dublin/rio deal then you have to neg the pacific/rio deal imo
Holz is getting Jroo who is border-line elite in his position. Massive difference. I'm not saying the Goldy trade is worth negging, but you can't compare it to the Pacific/Rio one..Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Stanley isn't best 22 at the Cats though...
stanley is a spud not best 22 and had a couple of good games this year
best season ave 72
hill agreed isn't that great but mackie with 2 more years to come at least and ave only 3 points less then Jroo so could also be considered borderline elite for his position
not saying i'm negging or not negging your deal and not saying i'm negging or not negging the dublin one
just stating if we neg one there is ground to neg the other as both have 1 sided elements to them
yeah a good ruckman
stanley has scored 90 or over 9 times in a career of 66 games hardly a god ruckman
and day yeah could be something but hasn't show a lot so paying a lot for speculation
anyways like i said i'm not saying i will neg it i honestly do not think we will ever get deals that are 50/50 it is impossible as everyone rates players differently
just pointing out that there are a few depending how ppl view them that could be seen as one sided
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 10:59:50 PM
Bennell = 10 seasons at 95.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
Quote from: Holz on September 09, 2015, 10:44:06 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
So JRoo is giving us too much then i'm guessing ???
I have learned from last year. Just go with the flow and if it is blocked renegotiate.
I hope your just poking fun at me with that call.
Mexico will win 5 of the next 10 flags the way this is going.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:59:20 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 10:51:17 PMThis is a great point ^Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:47:33 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 10:32:21 PMI respect your stance, mate. But we gave up Sam Day too - a guy taken pick 3 and now with Dixon leaving the Gold Coast, he has the opportunity to become a really nice player. And Levi was willing to take the punt. We don't think it's a one-sided trade at all, but I guess we'll have to wait and see when the votes are tallied up - I trust the coaches here to come up with a fair review. I mean, you only have to look at what Vinny gave up to realise the value of a good ruckman!Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2015, 10:18:10 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2015, 09:54:51 PMC'mon Daz.. There are 60 mids who averaged more than Stephen Hill last year. Let's not make him out to be some untradeable asset. We wanted him to bolster our mids, and gave up a best 22, young ruckman to get him.
to be fair it is a tad one sided
but if you neg the dublin/rio deal then you have to neg the pacific/rio deal imo
Holz is getting Jroo who is border-line elite in his position. Massive difference. I'm not saying the Goldy trade is worth negging, but you can't compare it to the Pacific/Rio one..Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Stanley isn't best 22 at the Cats though...
stanley is a spud not best 22 and had a couple of good games this year
best season ave 72
hill agreed isn't that great but mackie with 2 more years to come at least and ave only 3 points less then Jroo so could also be considered borderline elite for his position
not saying i'm negging or not negging your deal and not saying i'm negging or not negging the dublin one
just stating if we neg one there is ground to neg the other as both have 1 sided elements to them
yeah a good ruckman
stanley has scored 90 or over 9 times in a career of 66 games hardly a god ruckman
and day yeah could be something but hasn't show a lot so paying a lot for speculation
anyways like i said i'm not saying i will neg it i honestly do not think we will ever get deals that are 50/50 it is impossible as everyone rates players differently
just pointing out that there are a few depending how ppl view them that could be seen as one sided
Have to allow some leeway for how a coach rates a certain guy. In most trades, you can look at them now and think you know who the 'winner' is.. But rarely do I think the deals that get posted here are unbalanced enough for me to reject.
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:36:19 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
The draft my friend. I will never trade Jake Lever. Or Toby McLean. Or Harris Andrews. Or Jack Steele. Or Kyle Langford. Or Alex Neal-Bullen. Or Mason Cox. Or Aaron Vandenberg. Or Dan McKenzie. You shouldn't really blame the top teams. All these teams just shuffling around players never get anywhere. NY aren't going to beat Dublin and MC by giving them their best players. They're just making it harder for themselves and the rest of us. But me, when my guys become elite I'm going to slay you all with drafting.
P.s if you want any of the players listed above send me an offer :D
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:44:22 PM
Everyone seems to be allergic to draft picks, but that's what all players start as. Pacific have the best player in the world and got him from the draft.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:48:19 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:44:22 PM
Everyone seems to be allergic to draft picks, but that's what all players start as. Pacific have the best player in the world and got him from the draft.
i just think you better off trading in a player you have seen play at AFL level much higher success rate that way or you could get a Watts
Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMThis is why PNL is usually hard to deal with, we usually trade to improve the team or fix a positional need. We had 3 trades ready to go for this period and 2 went through. If the other did as well, we pretty much would be almost done with changing the team and we'd be happy :-X. If we stopped right now, we'd be happy with our squad, which is why we only make little trades to try and get under the cap or get in players we like :P. Given it's tough to compete with Mexico/Dublin without a bit of luck as they do trade well to improve their team.
Also I gotta say that seeing clubs completely overhaul their roster every trade period without actually addressing any real problems they have is confusing. A lot of trading for the sake of trading seems to go on in these games.
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:44:22 PMPNL loves the draft ;D. We've had some good success with early picks and with later ones (e.g. Zerrett + Jaensch), and we love seeing the guys grow :D. Just depends if we have a play we're willing to part with to get a decent draft position to get somebody we like >:D. And people already know how hard it is to get somebody that we drafted :P.
Everyone seems to be allergic to draft picks, but that's what all players start as. Pacific have the best player in the world and got him from the draft.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 11:48:05 PMI was just curious coz I remember you boys made heaps of trades last year, so thought I'd look at the original teamQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:36:19 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
The draft my friend. I will never trade Jake Lever. Or Toby McLean. Or Harris Andrews. Or Jack Steele. Or Kyle Langford. Or Alex Neal-Bullen. Or Mason Cox. Or Aaron Vandenberg. Or Dan McKenzie. You shouldn't really blame the top teams. All these teams just shuffling around players never get anywhere. NY aren't going to beat Dublin and MC by giving them their best players. They're just making it harder for themselves and the rest of us. But me, when my guys become elite I'm going to slay you all with drafting.
P.s if you want any of the players listed above send me an offer :D
So do we just give up, sit on our asses and not try to improve our total list.
We had zero depth when we took over last year - we were playing 1 or 2 OOP forwards every week.
If we didn't trade last we would have been bottom 4 this year. That was not appealing at all. We still had a very poor year but at least we did something.
Are Macrae, Duncan, KK, Buckley, Vardy, Menzel, Fantasia, Cockatoo, Lamb all deadbeat young players eh?
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 11:48:05 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:36:19 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
The draft my friend. I will never trade Jake Lever. Or Toby McLean. Or Harris Andrews. Or Jack Steele. Or Kyle Langford. Or Alex Neal-Bullen. Or Mason Cox. Or Aaron Vandenberg. Or Dan McKenzie. You shouldn't really blame the top teams. All these teams just shuffling around players never get anywhere. NY aren't going to beat Dublin and MC by giving them their best players. They're just making it harder for themselves and the rest of us. But me, when my guys become elite I'm going to slay you all with drafting.
P.s if you want any of the players listed above send me an offer :D
So do we just give up, sit on our asses and not try to improve our total list.
We had zero depth when we took over last year - we were playing 1 or 2 OOP forwards every week.
If we didn't trade last we would have been bottom 4 this year. That was not appealing at all. We still had a very poor year but at least we did something.
Are Macrae, Duncan, KK, Buckley, Vardy, Menzel, Fantasia, Cockatoo, Lamb all deadbeat young players eh?
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 12:13:16 AMhaha we all have ones we regret slightly
And I'm just here thinking I drafted Dahl then traded him for Harbrow when we needed backs :'(. He's been solid but Daaaahhhhllllllll :'(.
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:36:19 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
The draft my friend. I will never trade Jake Lever. Or Toby McLean. Or Harris Andrews. Or Jack Steele. Or Kyle Langford. Or Alex Neal-Bullen. Or Mason Cox. Or Aaron Vandenberg. Or Dan McKenzie. You shouldn't really blame the top teams. All these teams just shuffling around players never get anywhere. NY aren't going to beat Dublin and MC by giving them their best players. They're just making it harder for themselves and the rest of us. But me, when my guys become elite I'm going to slay you all with drafting.
P.s if you want any of the players listed above send me an offer :D
Quote from: Ricochet on September 10, 2015, 12:04:40 AMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 11:48:05 PMI was just curious coz I remember you boys made heaps of trades last year, so thought I'd look at the original teamQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:36:19 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
The draft my friend. I will never trade Jake Lever. Or Toby McLean. Or Harris Andrews. Or Jack Steele. Or Kyle Langford. Or Alex Neal-Bullen. Or Mason Cox. Or Aaron Vandenberg. Or Dan McKenzie. You shouldn't really blame the top teams. All these teams just shuffling around players never get anywhere. NY aren't going to beat Dublin and MC by giving them their best players. They're just making it harder for themselves and the rest of us. But me, when my guys become elite I'm going to slay you all with drafting.
P.s if you want any of the players listed above send me an offer :D
So do we just give up, sit on our asses and not try to improve our total list.
We had zero depth when we took over last year - we were playing 1 or 2 OOP forwards every week.
If we didn't trade last we would have been bottom 4 this year. That was not appealing at all. We still had a very poor year but at least we did something.
Are Macrae, Duncan, KK, Buckley, Vardy, Menzel, Fantasia, Cockatoo, Lamb all deadbeat young players eh?
Gibson, KK, Fisher, TMckenzie (Atley, Dempsey)
Treloar, Libba, Macrae, Armitage
Blicavs, WHE (JAnderson, Lang)
Nicholls (Lycett)
Bennell, Christensen, KStevens, Cloke (McKernan, Crozier)
I don't think you who have been bottom 4. But your definitely right, it lacked depth. And you boys certainly had a heap of bad luck with injuries this year.
Nothing to do with the above convo, i was just bored :P
Quote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 12:14:56 AMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 11:48:05 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:36:19 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
The draft my friend. I will never trade Jake Lever. Or Toby McLean. Or Harris Andrews. Or Jack Steele. Or Kyle Langford. Or Alex Neal-Bullen. Or Mason Cox. Or Aaron Vandenberg. Or Dan McKenzie. You shouldn't really blame the top teams. All these teams just shuffling around players never get anywhere. NY aren't going to beat Dublin and MC by giving them their best players. They're just making it harder for themselves and the rest of us. But me, when my guys become elite I'm going to slay you all with drafting.
P.s if you want any of the players listed above send me an offer :D
So do we just give up, sit on our asses and not try to improve our total list.
We had zero depth when we took over last year - we were playing 1 or 2 OOP forwards every week.
If we didn't trade last we would have been bottom 4 this year. That was not appealing at all. We still had a very poor year but at least we did something.
Are Macrae, Duncan, KK, Buckley, Vardy, Menzel, Fantasia, Cockatoo, Lamb all deadbeat young players eh?
Dublin have Bob Murphy, Jobe Watson, Scott Thompson, NDS, NVB and David Mundy.
Mexico City have Bartel, Kade Simpson, Johnson, Lewis, Goddard, Harvey, NRoo.
I have Sandi, Boyd, Mitchell, Dempster, Picken.
PNL have Priddis, Hodge, Enright, Malceski, Swan
If other teams would just deny the top teams the ability to trade out their old guys for stars we'd all be sweet in a year or two.
I could have easily traded Shuey to Dublin or MC for a better deal than a 30 year old and a guy who averaged 41. But London aren't one of the heavyweights. London will rise when Mexico City age. MC have a great coach who got guys like Oxley and CEY in the draft and that's how they should be forced to remain elite.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 12:24:33 AMMissed the brilliance of Daz and HP over at PNL creating their masterpiece of a team ;).
Also - boy did I miss a lot having to go to football training...
Some really interesting developments here.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 12:21:40 AM
S. Johnson + J. Brennan FOR C. Smith + J. Westhoff + B. McKenzie + #34
No regrets <3 <3 <3
#4 + #23 FOR J. Patton + P. Davis
So Devo :(.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 02, 2012, 09:11:15 PM#Killingit
Trade 1 (Confirmed)
Trade 4 (Confirmed)
Sao Paulo Gives: Daniel Cross
New Delhi Gives: Matthew Buntine and Jared Polec
Trade 6 (Confirmed)
Mexico City Gives: Terry Milera and Kyle Reimers
New Delhi Gives: Daniel Merrett and Brent Harvey
Trade 11 (Confirmed)
Seoul Gives: Brent Renouf and Ben Rutten
New Delhi Gives: Brett Ebert
Trade 16 (Confirmed)
Cairo Gives: Pick 5, Leigh Montagna and Clinton Young
Cairo Receives: Pick 8 and Drew Petrie
Pacific Gives: Pick 7, Drew Petrie and Lee Spurr
Pacific Receives: Picks 5, 45 and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr[/color]
Trade 26 (Confirmed)
New Delhi gives: Nick Dal Santo
Cairo gives: Pick 26 and Josh Gibson
Trade 28 (Confirmed)
Mexico City gives: Terry Milera, Jarrad Boumann, Kyle Reimers
New Delhi gives: Brent Harvey, Daniel Merrett
Trade 40 (Confirmed)
New Delhi gives: Corey Enright & Jordan Murdoch
Tokyo gives: Pick 14
Trade 41 (Confirmed)
Cairo gives: Sharrod Wellingham
New Delhi gives: Picks 63, 81 and Jarryn Geary
Trade 47 (Confirmed)
Mexico City gives: Pick 18
New Delhi gives: Corey Enright
Trade 49 (Confirmed)
Pacific gives: Pick 10 + Lewis Roberts-Thomson
New Delhi gives: Pick 7
Trade 62 (Confirmed)
PNL gives: George Horlin-Smith
New Delhi gives: Jackson Trengove
Trade 69 (Confirmed)
New Delhi gives: Pick 10
Mexico City gives: Garrick Ibbotson, Simon Black, Martin Mattner and Matthew White
Trade 74 (Confirmed)
New Delhi gives: Dayne Zorko
Pacific gives: Pick 38 + Sam Gibson, Cameron Wood
Trade 100 (Confirmed)
Toronto gives: Pick 61, Sam Fisher and Angus Monfries
New Delhi gives: Jordan Murdoch
Trade 106 Confirmed
Toronto gives: Sam Fisher, Pick 14 and Josh Toy
New Delhi gives: Dayne Zorko and Ben Mabon
Trade 109
Mexico gives: Picks 7 and 91
New Delhi gives: Pick 14 and Daniel Cross
Trade 122
Cape Town give: Picks 15, 17 and Todd Elton
Cape Town receives: Pick 27, Nathan Bock and Lee Spurr
New York give: Jake Melksham and Jarryd Blair
New York receive: Picks 15, 26, Sam Fisher and Todd Elton
New Delhi give: Picks 26, 27, Sam Fisher, Nathan Bock and Lee Spurr
New Delhi receive: Pick 17, Jake Melksham and Jarryd Blair
Trade 125
Cairo Trades: Ben Jacobs, Ryan Bastinac, Kyal Horsley, Cory Dell'Olio
New Delhi Trades: Pick 18, Josh Gibson, Clinton Young, Orren Stephenson
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 12:18:06 AMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:36:19 PMQuote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:21:10 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 09, 2015, 11:12:53 PMIt's become a sticky, yellow, crusty-old cream called Holz and I'm goddamn sick of it on top of my frappe'Quote from: My Chumps on September 09, 2015, 11:08:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2015, 11:07:59 PMI really appreciate how passionate everyone is.
i love you guys
TBH I just love arguing with people.
I would let every trade pass and remove the cap if I was in charge and watch the cream rise to the top.
People keep trading these good teams young stars in return for their old blokes; how are we supposed to compete?
The draft my friend. I will never trade Jake Lever. Or Toby McLean. Or Harris Andrews. Or Jack Steele. Or Kyle Langford. Or Alex Neal-Bullen. Or Mason Cox. Or Aaron Vandenberg. Or Dan McKenzie. You shouldn't really blame the top teams. All these teams just shuffling around players never get anywhere. NY aren't going to beat Dublin and MC by giving them their best players. They're just making it harder for themselves and the rest of us. But me, when my guys become elite I'm going to slay you all with drafting.
P.s if you want any of the players listed above send me an offer :D
Until you bust the cap like we did and Beijing did and have to trade Lever, or Mclean, or Andrews, or Steele, or Langford, or Neal-Bullen or more of them.
Yo're going to run in to that problem soon Meow. Especially with all those gun kids #DraftEnvy.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 11:48:05 PMTrading two of the most promising youngsters to the two best teams in the league probably wouldn't be my preferred strategy if I was in your position.
So do we just give up, sit on our asses and not try to improve our total list.
We had zero depth when we took over last year - we were playing 1 or 2 OOP forwards every week.
If we didn't trade last we would have been bottom 4 this year. That was not appealing at all. We still had a very poor year but at least we did something.
Are Macrae, Duncan, KK, Buckley, Vardy, Menzel, Fantasia, Cockatoo, Lamb all deadbeat young players eh?
Quote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:35:31 AMDepth for some is starters for others which sways people! Doesn't help bridge the gap but it does improve some teams there, so what some think for their own team, regardless of where it comes from. But people do rate players differently, so that's always a factor in trades.
Mexico and Dublin are very aware of their position in the league - they're on top and they've got a helluva lot of trade assets - so the way to stay on top for as long as possible is to trade for young talent. They should be willing to pay overs for young talent, because IT'S ALL THEY NEED and we should be doing what we can to make them pay way overs or just not trading them young guns at all. Mexico can offer you an 85 mid because he doesn't mean jack shower to them, he's easily replaceable. And really is that 85 mid going to help you catch the best?
Quote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:35:31 AMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 11:48:05 PMTrading two of the most promising youngsters to the two best teams in the league probably wouldn't be my preferred strategy if I was in your position.
So do we just give up, sit on our asses and not try to improve our total list.
We had zero depth when we took over last year - we were playing 1 or 2 OOP forwards every week.
If we didn't trade last we would have been bottom 4 this year. That was not appealing at all. We still had a very poor year but at least we did something.
Are Macrae, Duncan, KK, Buckley, Vardy, Menzel, Fantasia, Cockatoo, Lamb all deadbeat young players eh?
What I would do if I had inherited a list with so many young players brimming with potential is not to make quick trades - you've got years to sort out the holes in your team when Alex had set you up with a list containing guns like Libba, Macrae, Treloar, Christensen, Armitage, Bennell and KKolo as well as solid talent like T McKenzie, J Anderson, S Lycett, D Lang, T Nicholls, S Atley, L Mcdonald, W Hoskin-Elliot and K Stevens.
Yeah, you had depth issues, but like I say, if immediate success isn't your goal then it doesn't matter that you might be playing OOP next season. Take a trade if it's genuinely good for you. In fact don't make any trades that you aren't 100% happy with. If you've got a good core who's oldest player is 22 then you don't have to make risky deals, you've got years to sift out the good trades from the bad.
Mexico and Dublin are very aware of their position in the league - they're on top and they've got a helluva lot of trade assets - so the way to stay on top for as long as possible is to trade for young talent. They should be willing to pay overs for young talent, because IT'S ALL THEY NEED and we should be doing what we can to make them pay way overs or just not trading them young guns at all. Mexico can offer you an 85 mid because he doesn't mean jack shower to them, he's easily replaceable. And really is that 85 mid going to help you catch the best?
Teams just seem to be so goddamn keen to take every half decent deal that comes their way.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 12:39:54 AMI know, but it's literally taking the scraps off the rich and giving them longevity in return.
Jackson Trengove you beast of a man!
Lewis Roberts-Thomson made up 3 pick places still gives me a chuckle for some reason :P.Quote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:35:31 AMDepth for some is starters for others which sways people! Doesn't help bridge the gap but it does improve some teams there, so what some think for their own team, regardless of where it comes from. But people do rate players differently, so that's always a factor in trades.
Mexico and Dublin are very aware of their position in the league - they're on top and they've got a helluva lot of trade assets - so the way to stay on top for as long as possible is to trade for young talent. They should be willing to pay overs for young talent, because IT'S ALL THEY NEED and we should be doing what we can to make them pay way overs or just not trading them young guns at all. Mexico can offer you an 85 mid because he doesn't mean jack shower to them, he's easily replaceable. And really is that 85 mid going to help you catch the best?
Quote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 12:41:08 AMHolz I swear to god stop trying to dumfound everyone.Quote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:35:31 AMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 09, 2015, 11:48:05 PMTrading two of the most promising youngsters to the two best teams in the league probably wouldn't be my preferred strategy if I was in your position.
So do we just give up, sit on our asses and not try to improve our total list.
We had zero depth when we took over last year - we were playing 1 or 2 OOP forwards every week.
If we didn't trade last we would have been bottom 4 this year. That was not appealing at all. We still had a very poor year but at least we did something.
Are Macrae, Duncan, KK, Buckley, Vardy, Menzel, Fantasia, Cockatoo, Lamb all deadbeat young players eh?
What I would do if I had inherited a list with so many young players brimming with potential is not to make quick trades - you've got years to sort out the holes in your team when Alex had set you up with a list containing guns like Libba, Macrae, Treloar, Christensen, Armitage, Bennell and KKolo as well as solid talent like T McKenzie, J Anderson, S Lycett, D Lang, T Nicholls, S Atley, L Mcdonald, W Hoskin-Elliot and K Stevens.
Yeah, you had depth issues, but like I say, if immediate success isn't your goal then it doesn't matter that you might be playing OOP next season. Take a trade if it's genuinely good for you. In fact don't make any trades that you aren't 100% happy with. If you've got a good core who's oldest player is 22 then you don't have to make risky deals, you've got years to sift out the good trades from the bad.
Mexico and Dublin are very aware of their position in the league - they're on top and they've got a helluva lot of trade assets - so the way to stay on top for as long as possible is to trade for young talent. They should be willing to pay overs for young talent, because IT'S ALL THEY NEED and we should be doing what we can to make them pay way overs or just not trading them young guns at all. Mexico can offer you an 85 mid because he doesn't mean jack shower to them, he's easily replaceable. And really is that 85 mid going to help you catch the best?
Teams just seem to be so goddamn keen to take every half decent deal that comes their way.
To be fair I 100% agree
If you notice I gave a young premo back in the libba deal and picked up old guys.
In the Goldy deal besides Watson to Murphy im not getting younger
Quote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 12:48:08 AMExactly
Who is starting with TMac as one of their premos in their SC backline next year? Nobody!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 10, 2015, 07:19:38 AMGive us a kit kat
Wow, quite a lot for me to catch up on
I swear, reading the past few pages some people really need to get off their high horses, parading around like you're absolute geniuses and superior minded to the rest of us in the world of trading.
All this crap about us trading our young guns to the top teams, how we should be starving them of youth to see their demise and how we trade in old or average players. Seriously, what a load of crap
As AK mentioned earlier, we inherited a team that couldn't get 15 on the park most weeks, and we wanted to overhaul the team and be in a position to make finals, and what do you know? We made finals this year.
We didn't get a redraft to 'make it our own' so we did that instead
Some of you talk like we're idiots, and honestly it can get quite offensive which is why the tone in this message is like this, because I don't appreciate people trashing our approach. For how wise some of you are its baffling that you're not capable to understand that people have different views and approaches, and that your way is not the only right way
So we're trading Libba and Bennell, yeah they're young guns but they've both had their off field issues. Besides Montagna and possibly Gibson none of our relevant players will be retiring in the next 3 years and with have plenty of great youth.
Give us a break
Quote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:50:27 AMQuote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 12:48:08 AMExactly
Who is starting with TMac as one of their premos in their SC backline next year? Nobody!
Sometimes I wish we could just get all coaches into the same building and we could pound every deal out for a few days. Imagine the bidding wars! And I feel like a lot of the trades that get raised here are showerty simply because a coach didn't realise what the rest of the league was willing to offer.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 10, 2015, 07:38:38 AMEveryone at MC's place. His mum already let me in, I'm sure she'll do the same for you lot. ;)Quote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:50:27 AMQuote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 12:48:08 AMExactly
Who is starting with TMac as one of their premos in their SC backline next year? Nobody!
Sometimes I wish we could just get all coaches into the same building and we could pound every deal out for a few days. Imagine the bidding wars! And I feel like a lot of the trades that get raised here are showerty simply because a coach didn't realise what the rest of the league was willing to offer.
WXV's FF Chat trade Expo!!!!!!!
get it done ;)
Quote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 12:48:08 AM
Who is starting with TMac as one of their premos in their SC backline next year? Nobody!
Quote from: Ricochet on September 10, 2015, 10:40:58 AMHahahaha cheers!
hahaha up there as one of the best ^
Quote from: meow meow on September 07, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
Cairo/Nige are definitely the easiest and most reasonable to deal with. Keep up the good work :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 10, 2015, 08:06:41 AMWow someone needs to chill.
Absolutely I'll start him. But what do I know, I only finished 194 overall
Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 11:17:30 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 10, 2015, 08:06:41 AMWow someone needs to chill.
Absolutely I'll start him. But what do I know, I only finished 194 overall
Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
Haha dude, people are always gonna talk shower about each other's strategy. If you're getting offended, maybe playing the wrong game. Who cares if people don't like what you've done..
As I've said before, shower talking/banter makes this game.
Quote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 11:41:09 AMStop being a spastic Holz. :P Obviously I'm talking about strategy as a whole not unfair trades.Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
Haha dude, people are always gonna talk shower about each other's strategy. If you're getting offended, maybe playing the wrong game. Who cares if people don't like what you've done..
As I've said before, shower talking/banter makes this game.
I dont care what people say but unfortunately if people dont like what you have done they can stop it.
Quote from: elephants on September 10, 2015, 11:35:25 AMThe last 2386 pages have been nothing but that hahahaha.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
Haha dude, people are always gonna talk shower about each other's strategy. If you're getting offended, maybe playing the wrong game. Who cares if people don't like what you've done..
As I've said before, shower talking/banter makes this game.
Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 11:43:28 AMQuote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 11:41:09 AMStop being a spastic Holz. :P Obviously I'm talking about strategy as a whole not unfair trades.Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
Haha dude, people are always gonna talk shower about each other's strategy. If you're getting offended, maybe playing the wrong game. Who cares if people don't like what you've done..
As I've said before, shower talking/banter makes this game.
I dont care what people say but unfortunately if people dont like what you have done they can stop it.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 10, 2015, 12:02:49 PMMummy decides to be a good bloke and feign an injury for half the season so that some other ruck have his moment in the sun and is then conveniently forgotten. You blokes are terrible. :P
OK back to actual trade talk.
Superstar Robbie Warnock could be on the move soon. With Krooz on the way out Robbie will battle it out with Goldy as the #1 ruck in Worlds next year :P
Hit us up if keen
Quote from: Ricochet on September 10, 2015, 12:02:49 PM
OK back to actual trade talk.
Superstar Robbie Warnock could be on the move soon. With Krooz on the way out Robbie will battle it out with Goldy as the #1 ruck in Worlds next year :P
Hit us up if keen
Quote from: Nige on September 10, 2015, 12:04:50 PMhaha ok ok, #1 might be a slight pushQuote from: Ricochet on September 10, 2015, 12:02:49 PMMummy decides to be a good bloke and feign an injury for half the season so that some other ruck have his moment in the sun and is then conveniently forgotten. You blokes are terrible. :P
OK back to actual trade talk.
Superstar Robbie Warnock could be on the move soon. With Krooz on the way out Robbie will battle it out with Goldy as the #1 ruck in Worlds next year :P
Hit us up if keen
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 10, 2015, 12:05:20 PMQuote from: Ricochet on September 10, 2015, 12:02:49 PM
OK back to actual trade talk.
Superstar Robbie Warnock could be on the move soon. With Krooz on the way out Robbie will battle it out with Goldy as the #1 ruck in Worlds next year :P
Hit us up if keen
Nat Pick 86?
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 10, 2015, 04:16:04 PM
Holy moly...
So I spend last night and all day today starting, finishing and submitting a 2000 word assignment (coz that's how I roll 8)). So I'm like, Hulk gets Rising Star, I submit this pain in the arse assignment, and become an Uncle again in the space of 24 hours... feeling good 8)
And then I have literally 8 pages of content to read here :P
Argh crap. 7 new PMs. I'll get to you all eventually!
Quote from: Nige on September 09, 2015, 09:21:19 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 09, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Holz, can you break down the deal properly and explain why you believe it is fair?
Quote from: Boomz on September 10, 2015, 04:19:53 PMThis is true.Quote from: Purple 77 on September 10, 2015, 04:16:04 PM
Holy moly...
So I spend last night and all day today starting, finishing and submitting a 2000 word assignment (coz that's how I roll 8)). So I'm like, Hulk gets Rising Star, I submit this pain in the arse assignment, and become an Uncle again in the space of 24 hours... feeling good 8)
And then I have literally 8 pages of content to read here :P
Argh crap. 7 new PMs. I'll get to you all eventually!
haha you haven't missed much :P
Quote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 04:58:21 PMQuote from: Nige on September 09, 2015, 09:21:19 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 09, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Holz, can you break down the deal properly and explain why you believe it is fair?
last year i traded Rockliff for Gunston + Boak
basically Rockcliff to Gunston was a downgrade from a super premo to a premo plus I got a older almost premo in Boak.
I put Goldy in the same regards as Rocky (I actually rate him higher)
so
Goldy down to Jacobs is a super premo down to a premo (much like Rocky to Gunston) and then I get a older almost premo in Jroo.
so
1. Goldy = Jacobs + Jroo
second part of it is Murphy Watson. Murphy isnt not the 2012 version where hwas a top 5 in the comp. much like Boak i clasify him as an older almost premo. looks set to be in that 100-105 which is great but not that good.
Watson obvisouly has some issues surrounding him but if he can sort out this WADASA stuff he actually is a better scorer than Murphy. his age and injury risk has to be taken into account (Murphy also has injury risk)
So thats why Levi is getting the north ruck bench (which is handy) as if Jacobs goes down im screwed. if Goldy goes down he has a guy who should go 75+ easy as seen by Daw going 100 (who should be a R again)
not only that but Jason holmes hasnt been playing AFL long and has already got a gig. Longer and Hickey arent great and he took the ruck spot off them already. He has the potential to do what mike pyke has done.
so
Watson + Holmes + Currie + Daw for Murphy seems fair to me.
put that together and there is your fair trade.
Quote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 06:06:37 PMQuote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 04:58:21 PMQuote from: Nige on September 09, 2015, 09:21:19 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 09, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
Holz, can you break down the deal properly and explain why you believe it is fair?
last year i traded Rockliff for Gunston + Boak
basically Rockcliff to Gunston was a downgrade from a super premo to a premo plus I got a older almost premo in Boak.
I put Goldy in the same regards as Rocky (I actually rate him higher)
so
Goldy down to Jacobs is a super premo down to a premo (much like Rocky to Gunston) and then I get a older almost premo in Jroo.
so
1. Goldy = Jacobs + Jroo
second part of it is Murphy Watson. Murphy isnt not the 2012 version where hwas a top 5 in the comp. much like Boak i clasify him as an older almost premo. looks set to be in that 100-105 which is great but not that good.
Watson obvisouly has some issues surrounding him but if he can sort out this WADASA stuff he actually is a better scorer than Murphy. his age and injury risk has to be taken into account (Murphy also has injury risk)
So thats why Levi is getting the north ruck bench (which is handy) as if Jacobs goes down im screwed. if Goldy goes down he has a guy who should go 75+ easy as seen by Daw going 100 (who should be a R again)
not only that but Jason holmes hasnt been playing AFL long and has already got a gig. Longer and Hickey arent great and he took the ruck spot off them already. He has the potential to do what mike pyke has done.
so
Watson + Holmes + Currie + Daw for Murphy seems fair to me.
put that together and there is your fair trade.
Dropping Walker is a good start but...
It was Gunston and Boak for Rocky and Josh Green. You might not rate Green but he's a 22 year old player who plays every week and averages 70. You still gave up something to even it out. Rocky 130 + Green 70 for Boak 105 + Gunston 95. Even! You didn't get Gunston for nothing like you'd be getting JRoo.
Jacobs 110 + JRoo 90 for Goldy 125 + nothing is not the same as the above. Add a forward or def who averages 75, or something of equal value if you're going to use the Rocky trade as an example.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Something which hasn't been considered widely is that Jobe Watson may have played his last game. A WADA ban now and I think that's it for Watson.
I know you can't trade based on that but, I sure as well wouldn't be trading him in (and you're smart for trying to trade him now before the WADA hearing Holz) with that hanging over his head when we should have an outcome in a few months.
Remove Watson from Holz' side and this deal goes from bad to an absolute stinker...
Quote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 07:49:28 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Something which hasn't been considered widely is that Jobe Watson may have played his last game. A WADA ban now and I think that's it for Watson.
I know you can't trade based on that but, I sure as well wouldn't be trading him in (and you're smart for trying to trade him now before the WADA hearing Holz) with that hanging over his head when we should have an outcome in a few months.
Remove Watson from Holz' side and this deal goes from bad to an absolute stinker...
It is considered. Just like Murphy shoulder.
Have you considered that Watson has the ability to play forward like goddard and be a 100 forward?
If that happens Levi wins big
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 08:09:15 PMQuote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 07:49:28 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Something which hasn't been considered widely is that Jobe Watson may have played his last game. A WADA ban now and I think that's it for Watson.
I know you can't trade based on that but, I sure as well wouldn't be trading him in (and you're smart for trying to trade him now before the WADA hearing Holz) with that hanging over his head when we should have an outcome in a few months.
Remove Watson from Holz' side and this deal goes from bad to an absolute stinker...
It is considered. Just like Murphy shoulder.
Have you considered that Watson has the ability to play forward like goddard and be a 100 forward?
If that happens Levi wins big
So why not wait until do the trade now? Wait until after we know for sure from WADA on Nov 16.
The AFL National Draft isn't until Nov 27 so I'd assume our trade period will be open until after we know.
I will be telling MC not to pass trade as it stands until that happens sorry Holz.
Quote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 08:36:50 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 08:09:15 PMQuote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 07:49:28 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Something which hasn't been considered widely is that Jobe Watson may have played his last game. A WADA ban now and I think that's it for Watson.
I know you can't trade based on that but, I sure as well wouldn't be trading him in (and you're smart for trying to trade him now before the WADA hearing Holz) with that hanging over his head when we should have an outcome in a few months.
Remove Watson from Holz' side and this deal goes from bad to an absolute stinker...
It is considered. Just like Murphy shoulder.
Have you considered that Watson has the ability to play forward like goddard and be a 100 forward?
If that happens Levi wins big
So why not wait until do the trade now? Wait until after we know for sure from WADA on Nov 16.
The AFL National Draft isn't until Nov 27 so I'd assume our trade period will be open until after we know.
I will be telling MC not to pass trade as it stands until that happens sorry Holz.
thats ok, levi and i think the trade is fair.
Im not going to wait till then as i need to strucutre my team so everything is optimal. little tweak trades are needed after the big trades.
the forward call was more looking into the future. Guys are playing longer now days by moving onto the HBF or HFF.
If the essendon stuff gets all cleared up should Levi be forced to add more to his side?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 08:57:21 PM
You're not going to wait until then because if Watson gets banned he'll likely retire and be useless to you/have no currency.
No, if the Bombers get cleared then the trade becomes more viable.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 10, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
This is how good Holz is, even when Walker gets removed the trade is still being questioned. :)
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 10, 2015, 10:20:05 PMNot sure you understand how this works dude, the trade is voted on by the other coaches haha.
Hey it's a good trade, put Walker back in it, don't crumble under the other Coaches pressure. Why should you change it?
Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 10:21:28 PMNot sure you understand what UTM was saying dude. The trade is voted on by the other coaches haha.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 10, 2015, 10:20:05 PMNot sure you understand how this works dude, the trade is voted on by the other coaches haha.
Hey it's a good trade, put Walker back in it, don't crumble under the other Coaches pressure. Why should you change it?
Quote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 10:22:56 PMWhat the flower hahaha.Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 10:21:28 PMNot sure you understand what UTM was saying dude. The trade is voted on by the other coaches haha.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 10, 2015, 10:20:05 PMNot sure you understand how this works dude, the trade is voted on by the other coaches haha.
Hey it's a good trade, put Walker back in it, don't crumble under the other Coaches pressure. Why should you change it?
Quote from: Vinny on September 10, 2015, 10:21:28 PMYeah I understand, The original trade should have been submitted as it was, allow it to get voted on first.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 10, 2015, 10:20:05 PMNot sure you understand how this works dude, the trade is voted on by the other coaches haha.
Hey it's a good trade, put Walker back in it, don't crumble under the other Coaches pressure. Why should you change it?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 08:57:21 PMQuote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 08:36:50 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 08:09:15 PMQuote from: Holz on September 10, 2015, 07:49:28 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Something which hasn't been considered widely is that Jobe Watson may have played his last game. A WADA ban now and I think that's it for Watson.
I know you can't trade based on that but, I sure as well wouldn't be trading him in (and you're smart for trying to trade him now before the WADA hearing Holz) with that hanging over his head when we should have an outcome in a few months.
Remove Watson from Holz' side and this deal goes from bad to an absolute stinker...
It is considered. Just like Murphy shoulder.
Have you considered that Watson has the ability to play forward like goddard and be a 100 forward?
If that happens Levi wins big
So why not wait until do the trade now? Wait until after we know for sure from WADA on Nov 16.
The AFL National Draft isn't until Nov 27 so I'd assume our trade period will be open until after we know.
I will be telling MC not to pass trade as it stands until that happens sorry Holz.
thats ok, levi and i think the trade is fair.
Im not going to wait till then as i need to strucutre my team so everything is optimal. little tweak trades are needed after the big trades.
the forward call was more looking into the future. Guys are playing longer now days by moving onto the HBF or HFF.
If the essendon stuff gets all cleared up should Levi be forced to add more to his side?
You're not going to wait until then because if Watson gets banned he'll likely retire and be useless to you/have no currency.
No, if the Bombers get cleared then the trade becomes more viable.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2015, 10:45:43 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
Are you seriously considering negging that trade? Lol
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2015, 10:45:43 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
Are you seriously considering negging that trade? Lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 11, 2015, 12:15:42 PMHOW DARE YOU JOKE ABOUT TRADING, THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS. >:(
It was actually a joke I made due to the past few big trades being made and everybody getting all aggressive/defensive on them :P Guess can't even joke anymore :(.
Quote from: meow meow on September 11, 2015, 12:02:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
One sided which way?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 02:34:50 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 11, 2015, 12:02:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
One sided which way?
Surely I'm not the only person who thinks Buntine is much better than Connor? I wont neg it, but feel like PNL should be giving you a pick as well
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 02:34:50 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 11, 2015, 12:02:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
One sided which way?
Surely I'm not the only person who thinks Buntine is much better than Connor? I wont neg it, but feel like PNL should be giving you a pick as well
Quote from: meow meow on September 11, 2015, 03:33:31 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 02:34:50 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 11, 2015, 12:02:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 10, 2015, 11:53:21 PM
Most controversial trade to date just put in :-X.
It would probably help if you give us more context as to how this deal isn't one sided. I'm not saying I would neg it, I just want to understand how Buntine for Connor is a fair trade. I get the point cap thing for Meow, but that doesn't mean you need to give players away
One sided which way?
Surely I'm not the only person who thinks Buntine is much better than Connor? I wont neg it, but feel like PNL should be giving you a pick as well
I'm sure that Holz does too, and he offered me a fair deal but I couldn't do it because of the cap. I've shopped Buntine around a fair bit and nobody wanted him so it was either delist for nothing or trade for a player who I think could be amazing. I've seen enough of McKenna, even seen his first Australian football game ever vs the IAS squad that boasted Heeney, Petracca, Brayshaw, Pickett, Lamb and those boys. The things he did in that game gave me an indication of his value vs those guys. I had two PSD picks for a reason last year and had Mason Cox and McKenna in mind, but a gift named Aaron Vandenberg presented itself and I couldn't pass that up. I have liked McKenna before most people knew who he was and I am happy to swap Bunt for him. If this is the kind of trade that raises eyebrows then pretty much nothing should ever pass.
Plus if PNL added a pick it would just be one I wouldn't use anyway so what's the point? Only got 40 spots on the list and I can't even upgrade Harris Andrews unless I cut a guy like Wigg, who I took with pick #24 last year. Somebody, please take 2 of my players for one of yours in a fair deal.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2015, 06:46:06 PMexactly this guy gets it
Trades should only be negged if they are going to negatively skew the competition. Nothing trades like this are fine no matter if it was buntine for dawson.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2015, 06:46:06 PM
Trades should only be negged if they are going to negatively skew the competition. Nothing trades like this are fine no matter if it was buntine for dawson.
Quote from: Holz on September 11, 2015, 07:02:40 PM
No trades should be negged its disrespect to the coaches doing the trade. If your getting a trade rejected then thats a question mark on the coach losing the trade.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 07:33:10 PMyeah i know mate
Oh, and Daz, all good man. I was just asking for a bit more information and meow provided it. All good :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
I want to suggest a thread idea
Fringe player bidding wars!
HP and Holz just sent back and forth PM's for Browne trying to outbid eachother and it was a lot of fun lol. I reckon it would be fun to have a thread were teams post their players they don't need at all and we just have bidding wars Haha
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 11, 2015, 07:54:01 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
I want to suggest a thread idea
Fringe player bidding wars!
HP and Holz just sent back and forth PM's for Browne trying to outbid eachother and it was a lot of fun lol. I reckon it would be fun to have a thread were teams post their players they don't need at all and we just have bidding wars Haha
I've wanted something like that for a very long time now lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 08:04:30 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 11, 2015, 07:54:01 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
I want to suggest a thread idea
Fringe player bidding wars!
HP and Holz just sent back and forth PM's for Browne trying to outbid eachother and it was a lot of fun lol. I reckon it would be fun to have a thread were teams post their players they don't need at all and we just have bidding wars Haha
I've wanted something like that for a very long time now lol
You're admin. Make it happen!
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2015, 06:47:27 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2015, 06:46:06 PM
Trades should only be negged if they are going to negatively skew the competition. Nothing trades like this are fine no matter if it was buntine for dawson.
Quote from: Holz on September 11, 2015, 09:45:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 07:43:23 PMHp wanted him so I stole him.
New York give: Alex Browne
Dublin give: Pick 54
Holz to confirm
Confirmed
Quote from: Nige on September 11, 2015, 08:16:01 PMQuote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2015, 06:47:27 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2015, 06:46:06 PM
Trades should only be negged if they are going to negatively skew the competition. Nothing trades like this are fine no matter if it was buntine for dawson.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2015, 08:18:20 PM
Nah, you can't put up premium players. Those trades are discussed via PM's
This thread would be purely for teams posting up their surplus players that they don't require whatsoever. The players you post up will be traded for the best offer
Quote from: Toga on September 12, 2015, 12:37:04 PMAs evidenced by this season, that's pretty much everyone. :P
Just don't put blokes you can't afford to lose up for bid!
Quote from: Toga on September 12, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
Just don't put blokes you can't afford to lose up for bid!
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 12, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
Before the vote happens, I would just like to mention some info regarding the R.Stanley+Day for Hill+Mackie trade, which some had issues with.
Stanley only averaged 73, but he was subbed out in one game for only 2 points. In another game he scored 135, but didn't play the 4th quarter.(both due to injury)
...So really it's a 80+avg. Ruck for a 95avg. Mid.
Mackie is 31yo and at the time of confirming the deal, we did not know he was going to sign a new 2 year deal.
He could have just as easily retired or only play one more season(so there was risk involved)
Sam Day is 8 years younger with plenty of upside. Also a chance to get D/F dpp.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 10, 2015, 07:38:38 AMQuote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:50:27 AMQuote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 12:48:08 AMExactly
Who is starting with TMac as one of their premos in their SC backline next year? Nobody!
Sometimes I wish we could just get all coaches into the same building and we could pound every deal out for a few days. Imagine the bidding wars! And I feel like a lot of the trades that get raised here are showerty simply because a coach didn't realise what the rest of the league was willing to offer.
WXV's FF Chat trade Expo!!!!!!!
get it done ;)
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 12, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
Before the vote happens, I would just like to mention some info regarding the R.Stanley+Day for Hill+Mackie trade, which some had issues with.
Stanley only averaged 73, but he was subbed out in one game for only 2 points. In another game he scored 135, but didn't play the 4th quarter.(both due to injury)
...So really it's a 80+avg. Ruck for a 95avg. Mid.
Mackie is 31yo and at the time of confirming the deal, we did not know he was going to sign a new 2 year deal.
He could have just as easily retired or only play one more season(so there was risk involved)
Sam Day is 8 years younger with plenty of upside. Also a chance to get D/F dpp.
Quote from: meow meow on September 12, 2015, 06:34:54 PMQuote from: upthemaidens on September 12, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
Before the vote happens, I would just like to mention some info regarding the R.Stanley+Day for Hill+Mackie trade, which some had issues with.
Stanley only averaged 73, but he was subbed out in one game for only 2 points. In another game he scored 135, but didn't play the 4th quarter.(both due to injury)
...So really it's a 80+avg. Ruck for a 95avg. Mid.
Mackie is 31yo and at the time of confirming the deal, we did not know he was going to sign a new 2 year deal.
He could have just as easily retired or only play one more season(so there was risk involved)
Sam Day is 8 years younger with plenty of upside. Also a chance to get D/F dpp.
That'd be all well and good if Stanley was the clear #1 ruck at the Cats but their best set up is a Vardy and Blicavs combo. There is a chance that I could be wrong about that, and if other coaches have differing opinions to my own who am I to argue with them? For that reason I won't block the trade. I think it's a bad trade but if Stanley comes out and plays 20 games at an 85 average, and Day has a breakout year and lives up to his draft selection the trade would be perfect. I can't say for sure that that won't happen so I can't block it. Just like you clowns shouldn't have said Adams wasn't worth pick 5.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 12, 2015, 06:23:18 PMHe wasn't playing as a full time Ruck with the saints though. It's hardly a stretch to call him an 80avg. player at all.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 12, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
Before the vote happens, I would just like to mention some info regarding the R.Stanley+Day for Hill+Mackie trade, which some had issues with.
Stanley only averaged 73, but he was subbed out in one game for only 2 points. In another game he scored 135, but didn't play the 4th quarter.(both due to injury)
...So really it's a 80+avg. Ruck for a 95avg. Mid.
Mackie is 31yo and at the time of confirming the deal, we did not know he was going to sign a new 2 year deal.
He could have just as easily retired or only play one more season(so there was risk involved)
Sam Day is 8 years younger with plenty of upside. Also a chance to get D/F dpp.
mate like i said i won't neg it as i believe the coaches know what they are doing
but calling stanley a 80 ave player is a strech
yeah had that one good game also may have been subbed out at 2
but has only gone 80+ 16/66 games in his career
now since we are talking aves i wouldn't be calling him an 80 ave player...lol
(not brining it up to get ppl to neg either just stanley is 1 player i have never rated and have no clue why cats bothered getting him and am quite happy to have it rubbed in my face if i am wrong but i highly doubt it he is a spud)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 12, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
That trade is worse then Holz's one
Quote from: DazBurg on September 12, 2015, 06:29:39 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 10, 2015, 07:38:38 AMQuote from: My Chumps on September 10, 2015, 12:50:27 AMQuote from: meow meow on September 10, 2015, 12:48:08 AMExactly
Who is starting with TMac as one of their premos in their SC backline next year? Nobody!
Sometimes I wish we could just get all coaches into the same building and we could pound every deal out for a few days. Imagine the bidding wars! And I feel like a lot of the trades that get raised here are showerty simply because a coach didn't realise what the rest of the league was willing to offer.
WXV's FF Chat trade Expo!!!!!!!
get it done ;)
there is a few WXV's coaches on get around it
http://ffelitechat.webs.com/
WXV's FF Chat trade Expo!!!!!!!
:P :P lol
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 12, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
That trade is worse then Holz's one
Quote from: Nige on September 12, 2015, 07:08:02 PMIs that before or after he removed a player? ::)Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 12, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
That trade is worse then Holz's one
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 12, 2015, 10:21:06 PMOur trade came first... Stanley as a Ruck means something to someone who needs a Ruckman.
Stanley as a ruck means nothing though as Levi just traded in the entire kangas ruck line
Plus originally Jacobs never missed games
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 12, 2015, 10:27:22 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 12, 2015, 10:21:06 PMOur trade came first... Stanley as a Ruck means something to someone who needs a Ruckman.
Stanley as a ruck means nothing though as Levi just traded in the entire kangas ruck line
Plus originally Jacobs never missed games
Not sure what the Jacobs comment means?
Quote from: meow meow on September 12, 2015, 10:48:08 PMOh I see. Well I don't know what the future trading plans of Rio is. Maybe they wanted to secure a Ruck before trading Jacobs.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 12, 2015, 10:27:22 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 12, 2015, 10:21:06 PMOur trade came first... Stanley as a Ruck means something to someone who needs a Ruckman.
Stanley as a ruck means nothing though as Levi just traded in the entire kangas ruck line
Plus originally Jacobs never missed games
Not sure what the Jacobs comment means?
Pretty sure that he means that Jacobs never misses games so Levi is just trading in Stanley who'll have to play as a Utility if he's going to get a game for Rio. Basically swapping a 95 util for a player who averages 20 point less.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 12, 2015, 11:53:11 PMAgree with them there, as Levi was trading based on his team, and they were trying to work for their team, can't control Levi. So on your side for this part of the argument ;).
Any deal he does after ours should not influence our trade. It may influence ones he does after, but not before.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 13, 2015, 08:53:33 AM
I think the problem most of us are having is that Hill and Mackie are proven. They are both starters in nearly every team, where as Stanley and May's value is purely based around speculation and hope
Stanley had 1 good score. 1., and because he was playing in the ruck his value has been inflated big time. As meow said, Vardy wasn't around then and everyone knows how much Geelong love Vardy. He is best 22 every day of the week.
As for Day, come on. He is a KPP player who will never average more than 65
I think if you just gave Rio something else on top, it would be fine. How you managed to get Levi to give you the extra something (pick) is amazing lol
Quote from: DazBurg on September 13, 2015, 03:54:27 PM
:O
Purps trading out watts
didn't think i'd see him give up one of his demons
surely you go out of your way to secure another demon now?...lol
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 13, 2015, 04:07:39 PM
Well he knows where to come to get Salem :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 13, 2015, 04:17:40 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 13, 2015, 03:54:27 PM
:O
Purps trading out watts
didn't think i'd see him give up one of his demons
surely you go out of your way to secure another demon now?...lol
Don't laugh about that. It just might happen :xQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 13, 2015, 04:07:39 PM
Well he knows where to come to get Salem :P
:'(
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 13, 2015, 04:58:25 PMfor the right deal it could be number 2 :P
Knowing my luck, it would be number 5 ::)
And hey, the cheek! :P
Quote from: Ricochet on September 13, 2015, 05:31:12 PM
Reece Conca comes on, 1 kick 1 goal = 23SC points. Superstar
Quote from: Holz on September 13, 2015, 05:55:06 PMpfft 38SC nowQuote from: Ricochet on September 13, 2015, 05:31:12 PM
Reece Conca comes on, 1 kick 1 goal = 23SC points. Superstar
Huge turnover cost a goal.
Superspud :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 13, 2015, 08:25:30 PM
WHAT!
Only 23 trades at week one of trades!
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 13, 2015, 08:25:30 PMDon't encourage them. :P
WHAT!
Only 23 trades at week one of trades!
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 14, 2015, 12:56:58 PMWe traded Myers in, and Conca is a NDT boy...
WHY is ric offering myers and conca when they on 2 separate lists so confused
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 14, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
LOL KB
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 14, 2015, 01:33:53 PMWe're in no rush to trade him so we're willing to wait as long as it takes for the right offer.
So if you're interested in him send My Chumps or myself your offer so we can see how it measures up to the others. We will probably make the final decision closer to the end of the week. Though perhaps it could drag on a bit further depending on how much interest there is.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 14, 2015, 01:33:53 PM
We had our fingers in a lot of pies
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 14, 2015, 04:52:43 PMyou have 1 week to vote
When's the deadline for voting Purps?
I've sent my votes to My Chumps to take a look at and see if there's anything he'd want to change and when he replies I'll send it on to you. Though I can just send you our votes if he doesn't get back to me in time (if you're reading this MC PM me when you get a chance).
Quote from: Holz on September 14, 2015, 04:24:17 PM
If people dont like giving 3 premos for two premos and think they team giving two premos loses.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 14, 2015, 05:04:49 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on September 14, 2015, 04:52:43 PMyou have 1 week to vote
When's the deadline for voting Purps?
I've sent my votes to My Chumps to take a look at and see if there's anything he'd want to change and when he replies I'll send it on to you. Though I can just send you our votes if he doesn't get back to me in time (if you're reading this MC PM me when you get a chance).
Quote from: Toga on September 14, 2015, 05:48:15 PMQuote from: Holz on September 14, 2015, 04:24:17 PM
If people dont like giving 3 premos for two premos and think they team giving two premos loses.
My take on the situation - coaches aren't saying it's wrong to give up three premos for two - in fact, I think that's fine, so long as the deal is even on the balance.
But as others broke it down, it appears that in this situation Goldy > Jacobs, Watson < Sloane, and so people feel like the third premium (Riewoldt) is being given away for nothing.
Quote from: Holz on September 14, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
out of interest what do people think Goldy is worth.
would really love to see what a fair deal in peoples books is?
Honestly would really like to see what it would be. Will help me to see what people think a fair trade is so i can work on it for the future.
Quote from: meow meow on September 14, 2015, 06:49:30 PMQuote from: Holz on September 14, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
out of interest what do people think Goldy is worth.
would really love to see what a fair deal in peoples books is?
Honestly would really like to see what it would be. Will help me to see what people think a fair trade is so i can work on it for the future.
Talk about Holmes as much as you like but Garner was an under 18 AA and first round pick. He's showing his talent now, and is worth as much as the yank.
The other spud rucks don't matter. I gave you Daw for next to nothing last year because that's what he's worth.
Goldy >> Sauce - about 20 points value difference (if Todd can keep it up)
Watson < Murphy - about 10 points value difference
JROO 90 average. Include a forward or back who is valued around 80 and it's dead even. Giving up nothing is too much of a steal.
Even if you wanted to use the captaincy point as an arguement it wouldn't work. Goldy 250 vs Sauce 220. Watson to Murphy puts it back to a 20 ppg difference. You'd still have to give up a 70 ave def or fwd, or 80 ave mid for the JRoo part to even things up. But I disregarded the captaincy point since Rio already have GAJ.
Quote from: Holz on September 14, 2015, 07:56:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 14, 2015, 06:49:30 PMQuote from: Holz on September 14, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
out of interest what do people think Goldy is worth.
would really love to see what a fair deal in peoples books is?
Honestly would really like to see what it would be. Will help me to see what people think a fair trade is so i can work on it for the future.
Talk about Holmes as much as you like but Garner was an under 18 AA and first round pick. He's showing his talent now, and is worth as much as the yank.
The other spud rucks don't matter. I gave you Daw for next to nothing last year because that's what he's worth.
Goldy >> Sauce - about 20 points value difference (if Todd can keep it up)
Watson < Murphy - about 10 points value difference
JROO 90 average. Include a forward or back who is valued around 80 and it's dead even. Giving up nothing is too much of a steal.
Even if you wanted to use the captaincy point as an arguement it wouldn't work. Goldy 250 vs Sauce 220. Watson to Murphy puts it back to a 20 ppg difference. You'd still have to give up a 70 ave def or fwd, or 80 ave mid for the JRoo part to even things up. But I disregarded the captaincy point since Rio already have GAJ.
So if I were to add Bruce a 70 average forward with upside what would you say.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 14, 2015, 06:10:42 PMI'm here now, but hey, less work for us to do now ;).
waiting for Dom to discuss trades and 2 decided before we even get started
maybe if we wait for the rest res tto vote then we won't have to decide anything :P
(i know we still have to vote either way just saying we may not have a deciding vote etc)
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 14, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
Rio starting forward line:- T.Walker, JRoo, Wright, Chapman
Tex has already been traded and Chappy has retired. So how does trading out JRoo help Rio?
Why don't you just remove JRoo from the trade? Rio could replace him by adding a 2nd round pick instead. That would also make it even.. Wouldn't it? ;)
Quote from: meow meow on September 14, 2015, 08:30:27 PMMackie is worth less now then he was last year. One season is equal to 33% of his remaining career.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 14, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
Rio starting forward line:- T.Walker, JRoo, Wright, Chapman
Tex has already been traded and Chappy has retired. So how does trading out JRoo help Rio?
Why don't you just remove JRoo from the trade? Rio could replace him by adding a 2nd round pick instead. That would also make it even.. Wouldn't it? ;)
Rio's trading is... interesting. Sauce to Todd gains them 20 points (maybe) but losing JRoo and having to play... umm... Max Duffy? up forward doesn't seem like a solid idea IMO. Downgrading MMurphy to Watson in the process makes it even more perplexing.
Same with Mackie. Gave up pick 10 for him last year, trade him out this year for Day. Would they have given up pick 10 for Day last year? Who knows.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 14, 2015, 08:39:59 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 14, 2015, 08:30:27 PMMackie is worth less now then he was last year. One season is equal to 33% of his remaining career.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 14, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
Rio starting forward line:- T.Walker, JRoo, Wright, Chapman
Tex has already been traded and Chappy has retired. So how does trading out JRoo help Rio?
Why don't you just remove JRoo from the trade? Rio could replace him by adding a 2nd round pick instead. That would also make it even.. Wouldn't it? ;)
Rio's trading is... interesting. Sauce to Todd gains them 20 points (maybe) but losing JRoo and having to play... umm... Max Duffy? up forward doesn't seem like a solid idea IMO. Downgrading MMurphy to Watson in the process makes it even more perplexing.
Same with Mackie. Gave up pick 10 for him last year, trade him out this year for Day. Would they have given up pick 10 for Day last year? Who knows.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PM::)Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
Quote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 10:44:40 PMSorry we took a day to vote :'(.Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PM::)Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:51:19 PMYou're letting the team down!Quote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 10:44:40 PMSorry we took a day to vote :'(.Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PM::)Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
Quote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 10:54:22 PMWhat team? I am the team! >:DQuote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:51:19 PMYou're letting the team down!Quote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 10:44:40 PMSorry we took a day to vote :'(.Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PM::)Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Probably just easier to see the OP in the Trade Confirmation Thread :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 14, 2015, 11:12:11 PMwell noQuote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Probably just easier to see the OP in the Trade Confirmation Thread :P
So there's four more trades resting on one person's vote?
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PMBut that makes it almost impossible to pass it then. If one team adds more to the deal, then the people who thought that team was already losing will still neg, and the ones who thought it was originally fair will likely neg as well. And vice versa.Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
And nah it won't Davey, regardless of which side it'll be counted as 12 votes against the trade.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 15, 2015, 08:16:59 AM
been saying it for years voting on trades is so bad and ruining the comp needs to be an admin decision like the AFL and every other comp imagine in the AFL if clubs voted to pass trades or not lol
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2015, 09:38:42 AM
Guys, guys, trust the admin 8)
Am totally aware of that point of view :)
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:51:19 PMQuote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 10:44:40 PMSorry we took a day to vote :'(.Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PM::)Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2015, 09:58:49 AMCan you make the voting deadline like 24 hours, specifically for PNL?Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:51:19 PMQuote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 10:44:40 PMSorry we took a day to vote :'(.Quote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PM::)Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
*twiddles thumbs*
Dem PNL coaches tho.
Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:36:08 PMAin't nobody got time for etiquette!
Oh he mad
Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:36:08 PM
Oh he mad
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 02:45:20 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:36:08 PM
Oh he mad
if the libba trade goes down this could get interesting.
Im actually happy my Goldy trade went down, Ill keep the best player in the comp happily. but libba we worked a very long time on and i reckon if anything i might be overpaying.
Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:48:05 PMQuote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 02:45:20 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:36:08 PM
Oh he mad
if the libba trade goes down this could get interesting.
Im actually happy my Goldy trade went down, Ill keep the best player in the comp happily. but libba we worked a very long time on and i reckon if anything i might be overpaying.
Of course you are. I dunno how Dublin are so good since you lose every trade. Such a selfless trader, giving up all your guns and getting nothing but spuds in return. Inspirational stuff.
Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:36:08 PM
Oh he mad
Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Almost as disrespectful as trading Jed for a 2nd rounder if you ask me
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 02:45:20 PM
but libba we worked a very long time on and i reckon if anything i might be overpaying.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 15, 2015, 03:17:07 PM
You've mentioned this once or twice now. I don't see how you are overpaying. Libba and TMac are the young guns, Mundy over Stevie J balances out the points difference between Libba and TMac and Grundy isn't a mug - best 22 player who is good cover. Anyway, we just have to wait and see what the coaches vote :-X
Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 04:01:49 PMDamn, hopefully he gets picked up by another Club.
Pacific trade: Jack Martin + Jeremy Howe
New Delhi trade: Andrew Gaff, Sam Darley + Pick 40
Darley delisted.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 15, 2015, 04:33:21 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 04:01:49 PMDamn, hopefully he gets picked up by another Club.
Pacific trade: Jack Martin + Jeremy Howe
New Delhi trade: Andrew Gaff, Sam Darley + Pick 40
Darley delisted.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2015, 04:40:53 PMyeah sure you didn't Ric :P
wow didn't expect that. Or McDonough either
Quote from: JROO8 on September 15, 2015, 04:45:08 PMYeh Nicholls is getting delisted as well, that's why we traded him :-XQuote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2015, 04:40:53 PMyeah sure you didn't Ric :P
wow didn't expect that. Or McDonough either
Sad to see Madonna go, but at least he might get picked up by another club
Quote from: JROO8 on September 15, 2015, 04:45:08 PMQuote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2015, 04:40:53 PMyeah sure you didn't Ric :P
wow didn't expect that. Or McDonough either
Sad to see Madonna go, but at least he might get picked up by another club
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:04:13 PMHaha Holz, there's no need to be jealous :PQuote from: JROO8 on September 15, 2015, 04:45:08 PMQuote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2015, 04:40:53 PMyeah sure you didn't Ric :P
wow didn't expect that. Or McDonough either
Sad to see Madonna go, but at least he might get picked up by another club
shouldn't you be stealing another young gun to add to Rocky and Bennell :P
maybe Nick Riewoldt + brad Ebert for Fyfe or Dangerfield.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 15, 2015, 05:07:35 PMQuote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:04:13 PMHaha Holz, there's no need to be jealous :PQuote from: JROO8 on September 15, 2015, 04:45:08 PMQuote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2015, 04:40:53 PMyeah sure you didn't Ric :P
wow didn't expect that. Or McDonough either
Sad to see Madonna go, but at least he might get picked up by another club
shouldn't you be stealing another young gun to add to Rocky and Bennell :P
maybe Nick Riewoldt + brad Ebert for Fyfe or Dangerfield.
Ebert + Nroo for Goldy perhaps?
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
Clearly 2 championships with 4 top 3 finishes is nothing to worry about when it comes to dominance.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 15, 2015, 05:18:21 PMQuote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
Clearly 2 championships with 4 top 3 finishes is nothing to worry about when it comes to dominance.
You're your own worst enemy Holz. If you were quiet around here for the most part like JROO is than you wouldn't have problems with your trades. The reality is, people take the coaches into consideration when casting votes and can't separate the coaches from the trades, and despite what anyone thinks that's fact, unfortunately
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 15, 2015, 02:33:17 PM
Extremely frustrating, time wasting and even disrespectful when a coach seems to only reply 1 out of 3 times, then half way through trade talks just posts up a confirmed trade with another team. >:(
Don't expect that sort of rubbish in Worlds
Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:36:08 PMbut I ain't stressin'
Oh he mad
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:21:01 PMHaha dw love your work Holz :PQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 15, 2015, 05:18:21 PMQuote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
Clearly 2 championships with 4 top 3 finishes is nothing to worry about when it comes to dominance.
You're your own worst enemy Holz. If you were quiet around here for the most part like JROO is than you wouldn't have problems with your trades. The reality is, people take the coaches into consideration when casting votes and can't separate the coaches from the trades, and despite what anyone thinks that's fact, unfortunately
I know that, its why i don't like non impartial voting. i like being vocal and having fun, banter is the best bit of the comp.
if i just sat there did my trades and posted my team up each week i probably would have a stronger team. But where would the fun in that be.
I can make calls that will further annoy people, like Im clearly handicapped and still can compete.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 15, 2015, 05:25:53 PMOne club player, the backbone of the franchise
Also sorry for anyone who enquired about JPK. My Chumps has informed me that he will not be leaving at any cost following his stunning performance on the weekend (and fair enough).
Quote from: My Chumps on September 15, 2015, 05:25:03 PMTrue friends, one question.Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2015, 02:36:08 PMbut I ain't stressin'
Oh he mad
Quote from: JROO8 on September 15, 2015, 05:28:36 PMQuote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:21:01 PMHaha dw love your work Holz :PQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 15, 2015, 05:18:21 PMQuote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
Clearly 2 championships with 4 top 3 finishes is nothing to worry about when it comes to dominance.
You're your own worst enemy Holz. If you were quiet around here for the most part like JROO is than you wouldn't have problems with your trades. The reality is, people take the coaches into consideration when casting votes and can't separate the coaches from the trades, and despite what anyone thinks that's fact, unfortunately
I know that, its why i don't like non impartial voting. i like being vocal and having fun, banter is the best bit of the comp.
if i just sat there did my trades and posted my team up each week i probably would have a stronger team. But where would the fun in that be.
I can make calls that will further annoy people, like Im clearly handicapped and still can compete.
I don't have to come on here and convince the other coaches that my trades are fair because they actually are. Should've kept Sandi and Gibbs, ruck values seem to have gone up heaps this trade period while Rocky done nothing til finals :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 15, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
no wonder u lost the GF with those chokers holz
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 05:35:47 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 15, 2015, 05:28:36 PM
Should've kept Sandi and Gibbs
and here is the truth :P
Quote from: Jayman on September 15, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Only 1 vote against the Wallis trade (not that I negged it) but 13 against our Stephen Hill one? :o
They're basically the same trade... Except that it's a bottom 4 side getting the good mid and not a top 8 one :-X
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 08:06:53 PMQuote from: Jayman on September 15, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Only 1 vote against the Wallis trade (not that I negged it) but 13 against our Stephen Hill one? :o
They're basically the same trade... Except that it's a bottom 4 side getting the good mid and not a top 8 one :-X
Nicholls is the number 1 ruck at his club easy though.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2015, 08:21:21 PMbloody champion ;)
Updated spreadsheet for those that use it.
Also included a draft order sheet, which can be found near the bottom of the spreadsheet.
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/509567/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2015, 08:38:03 PMWell done - Is it possible to add the coaches name beside each team. The OP is out of date and when I get PM's it takes me some time to try and work out which team they are coaching. Realise old age plays tricks with memories but can not keep up with the changes.
Draft Order, Player Lists and caps updated below:
WXV Player Lists & Draft Order (http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,104833.0.html)
Quote from: Ringo on September 15, 2015, 09:09:31 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2015, 08:38:03 PMWell done - Is it possible to add the coaches name beside each team. The OP is out of date and when I get PM's it takes me some time to try and work out which team they are coaching. Realise old age plays tricks with memories but can not keep up with the changes.
Draft Order, Player Lists and caps updated below:
WXV Player Lists & Draft Order (http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,104833.0.html)
Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 08:36:38 PM
I love how 5 coaches said i was winning the libba trade.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 15, 2015, 10:18:30 PM
Matthew White and/or Brown could well be delisted due to cap space so a decent pick would move them on I would think.
Pearce available to a good home if you want to take a punt if you thin another club will pick him up.
Quote from: fanTCfool on September 15, 2015, 10:31:56 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 15, 2015, 10:18:30 PM
Matthew White and/or Brown could well be delisted due to cap space so a decent pick would move them on I would think.
Pearce available to a good home if you want to take a punt if you thin another club will pick him up.
Which Pearce is that?
Quote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2015, 11:43:46 PMA genuinely good young team now, and could even push for the 8 this season if a few things go your way. Well done guys!
All players are available. Plus picks #1 and #2, but we're happy to hang onto them to take this year's Brayshaw/Heeney if we don't get an offer we like
current NDT team if possies go our way.
Rich, JHowe, Wellingham, Bugg
(NRobertson, Mullett, Webster, JImpey, LDelaney, DTalia, SiWhite, SRussell)
Coniglio, Wallis, Masten, MCrouch
KStevens, Conca
(Myers, Trengove, SRoss, Collledge, WHams, BWalsh)
ZClarke
(Nankervis, Hannath, Moller, LPierce)
JMartin, Darling, Heeney, Griffiths
(PMcCartin, RKnight, TCurren, JGrant, Kerridge, RBail, BJohnson, Sumner, TO'Brien, Tunbridge, ELangdon)
Quote from: Nige on September 16, 2015, 12:07:18 PM
If anyone has some half decent mid depth and doesn't mind trading them for a few picks, chuck me a PM and we'll have a chat, and maybe work something out.
We've literally got like 9 midfielders but it's pretty much 7 since one is Woodward and his 3rd ACL injury and other is Ryan Crowley. :P
Quote from: My Chumps on September 15, 2015, 11:54:51 PMThanks mate! Still got a bit to go thoughQuote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2015, 11:43:46 PMA genuinely good young team now, and could even push for the 8 this season if a few things go your way. Well done guys!
All players are available. Plus picks #1 and #2, but we're happy to hang onto them to take this year's Brayshaw/Heeney if we don't get an offer we like
current NDT team if possies go our way.
Rich, JHowe, Wellingham, Bugg
(NRobertson, Mullett, Webster, JImpey, LDelaney, DTalia, SiWhite, SRussell)
Coniglio, Wallis, Masten, MCrouch
KStevens, Conca
(Myers, Trengove, SRoss, Collledge, WHams, BWalsh)
ZClarke
(Nankervis, Hannath, Moller, LPierce)
JMartin, Darling, Heeney, Griffiths
(PMcCartin, RKnight, TCurren, JGrant, Kerridge, RBail, BJohnson, Sumner, TO'Brien, Tunbridge, ELangdon)
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 12:57:56 PM
Boyd, McVeigh (M), Gilbert (M), Dempster
Andrews, Lever, Roughead (R), Wilson, McKenzie (M), Viojo-Rainbow, Wigg, Patfull, Dawson, Cameron
Mitchell, Gibbs, Hartlett, Picken, Scully
Freeman, Steele, Blakely, ANB, Clay, Lester
Sandilands, McKernan (F)
Wilbur, Cox (F), Soldo, Frampton
Zorko (M), Stringer, Breust, Dickson
Vandenberg (M), Jeffy, Hrovat (M), B.Reid (D), Hoskin-Elliott, McLean, K.Langford, C.McKenna, A.Davis (+m/d), Finlayson
Picks: 31, 46, 91
ANB, Clay Smith and Lester all a chance to gain M/F status. DVR has played as much up forward as defense in the VFL. Abe Davis (3 times emg this year) has been everywhere, Finlayson may get D/F too. Hartlett a sneaky chance to regain D/M.
Wouldn't mind another starting midfielder and would consider giving up Luke Breust to secure one.
24 years old with averages of 86, 83, 85, 83 across his past 4 seasons, and has played 86 of a possible 88 matches in that time.
Quote from: Holz on September 16, 2015, 01:54:45 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 12:57:56 PM
Boyd, McVeigh (M), Gilbert (M), Dempster
Andrews, Lever, Roughead (R), Wilson, McKenzie (M), Viojo-Rainbow, Wigg, Patfull, Dawson, Cameron
Mitchell, Gibbs, Hartlett, Picken, Scully
Freeman, Steele, Blakely, ANB, Clay, Lester
Sandilands, McKernan (F)
Wilbur, Cox (F), Soldo, Frampton
Zorko (M), Stringer, Breust, Dickson
Vandenberg (M), Jeffy, Hrovat (M), B.Reid (D), Hoskin-Elliott, McLean, K.Langford, C.McKenna, A.Davis (+m/d), Finlayson
Picks: 31, 46, 91
ANB, Clay Smith and Lester all a chance to gain M/F status. DVR has played as much up forward as defense in the VFL. Abe Davis (3 times emg this year) has been everywhere, Finlayson may get D/F too. Hartlett a sneaky chance to regain D/M.
Wouldn't mind another starting midfielder and would consider giving up Luke Breust to secure one.
24 years old with averages of 86, 83, 85, 83 across his past 4 seasons, and has played 86 of a possible 88 matches in that time.
just wait abit Steele blakely (steal) are guns.
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 02:36:23 PM
just wait abit Steele blakely (steal) are guns.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:08:38 PM
not sure on WHE
I like him just not sure if he will take the next step avoiding injuries would help
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:08:38 PMFrom memory didn't you talk him up as Fyfe-like last year?
not sure on WHE
I like him just not sure if he will take the next step avoiding injuries would help
Quote from: Ricochet on September 16, 2015, 03:21:27 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:08:38 PMFrom memory didn't you talk him up as Fyfe-like last year?
not sure on WHE
I like him just not sure if he will take the next step avoiding injuries would help
Quote from: Ricochet on September 16, 2015, 03:21:27 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:08:38 PMFrom memory didn't you talk him up as Fyfe-like last year?
not sure on WHE
I like him just not sure if he will take the next step avoiding injuries would help
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 03:47:49 PM
NY quick to jump all over Taylor Walker.
Should we bring in a rule that says if your trade gets rejected, you're not allowed to trade that player(s) to another club that wasn't involved in the initial failed trade until one trade vote has been sent out. As in Tex would be able to be traded after the upcoming Sunday? Would encourage coaches to work on finding a solution.
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 03:47:49 PMSame thing happened with Stephen Hill... A rule like this is a must imo.
NY quick to jump all over Taylor Walker.
Should we bring in a rule that says if your trade gets rejected, you're not allowed to trade that player(s) to another club that wasn't involved in the initial failed trade until one trade vote has been sent out. As in Tex would be able to be traded after the upcoming Sunday? Would encourage coaches to work on finding a solution.
Quote from: Holz on September 16, 2015, 04:26:04 PMYeh I reckon something like this should be brought in
I think what should happen is that the team that is perceived to be losing in the deal should be able to add on top of the deal and if the admin then believes it is worthy then it passes.
Its why i do in the Euro. I had two deals which i rejected but then the team that was winning too much added some good picks and it went through.
considering 13/18 passed the trade and it was Purp who rejected it it seems if Toga could have added something that purp believes makes it a fair deal then it should pass. It would stop snipping and people rejecting trades if they want players (there is some talk of this).
Would also make the process much faster.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
wow that trades crazy
Quote from: Ricochet on September 16, 2015, 04:27:35 PMQuote from: Holz on September 16, 2015, 04:26:04 PMYeh I reckon something like this should be brought in
I think what should happen is that the team that is perceived to be losing in the deal should be able to add on top of the deal and if the admin then believes it is worthy then it passes.
Its why i do in the Euro. I had two deals which i rejected but then the team that was winning too much added some good picks and it went through.
considering 13/18 passed the trade and it was Purp who rejected it it seems if Toga could have added something that purp believes makes it a fair deal then it should pass. It would stop snipping and people rejecting trades if they want players (there is some talk of this).
Would also make the process much faster.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:28:30 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
wow that trades crazy
OK, you got me - I'll bite
After reading my explanation when posting the trade, please tell me how the trade is crazy
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:28:30 PMBecause Lamb, Lowden and NAT 12 doesn't even come close to Tex...Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
wow that trades crazy
OK, you got me - I'll bite
After reading my explanation when posting the trade, please tell me how the trade is crazy
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 04:35:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:28:30 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
wow that trades crazy
OK, you got me - I'll bite
After reading my explanation when posting the trade, please tell me how the trade is crazy
kind of may have possible had a kb moment and i'd rather not explain it in detail lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:36:37 PM
The trade is fair.
Quote from: Jayman on September 16, 2015, 04:37:56 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:28:30 PMBecause Lamb, Lowden and NAT 12 doesn't even come close to Tex...Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
wow that trades crazy
OK, you got me - I'll bite
After reading my explanation when posting the trade, please tell me how the trade is crazy
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
LOL seriously? Just because Tex was huge on the weekend don't go inflating his value. He is a 80-90 avg forward.
Quote from: Toga on September 16, 2015, 04:43:21 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
LOL seriously? Just because Tex was huge on the weekend don't go inflating his value. He is a 80-90 avg forward.
In which case I'm surprised that a 90 avg mid/fwd (could speculatively retain/lose DPP) and a 71 avg mid (speculatively could gain DPP) isn't worth that then :-\
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 05:05:22 PM
yeah but often if someone gets told about a deal and they don't want to make a counter offer they wont even reply
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:10:23 PM
Rio made us an offer which we accepted.
Rio should have consulted with the other parties to inform of the offer to see if they could have beaten it.
Obviously this should have been done before our offer was finalised and posted.
But getting accused of poaching a player involved in re-negotiation when it is 100% incorrect really pissed me off. We were approached with an offer which we accepted
Hopefully that clears that up... >:(
Quote from: elephants on September 16, 2015, 06:13:35 PMThis. It's just a shower trade lol.
Mate, since RD's explanation I don't think anyone is accusing you of poaching...
Quote from: Jayman on September 16, 2015, 06:19:32 PMQuote from: elephants on September 16, 2015, 06:13:35 PMThis. It's just a shower trade lol.
Mate, since RD's explanation I don't think anyone is accusing you of poaching...
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:21:58 PMQuote from: Jayman on September 16, 2015, 06:19:32 PMQuote from: elephants on September 16, 2015, 06:13:35 PMThis. It's just a shower trade lol.
Mate, since RD's explanation I don't think anyone is accusing you of poaching...
Explain rationally how it is a shower trade and not fair?
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:21:58 PMBecause KK for Houli is a fair straight swap (KK is younger, but Houli has the track record) and then you're basically trading a snickers bar and a bowl of weet-bix for Taylor Walker... You can't just say "Lamb and pick 12 will be guns" they haven't shown enough to prove that yet, and the precedent was set in the trade votes last week when it comes to trading young guys with potential for more solid players. Young guys who have actually played games like Stanley and Sam Day got labelled as spuds, so why should Lamb, Lowden and pick 12 hold any value?Quote from: Jayman on September 16, 2015, 06:19:32 PMQuote from: elephants on September 16, 2015, 06:13:35 PMThis. It's just a shower trade lol.
Mate, since RD's explanation I don't think anyone is accusing you of poaching...
Explain rationally how it is a shower trade and not fair?
Quote from: JROO8 on September 16, 2015, 07:23:41 PMForget whether it's fair or not... How does trading Tex help Rio? Are they going to play Lamb at F2 next season ::)
KK is worth a bit more than Houli, so it's not just Tex for Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden + Nat 12...
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 16, 2015, 07:45:18 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 16, 2015, 07:23:41 PMForget whether it's fair or not... How does trading Tex help Rio? Are they going to play Lamb at F2 next season ::)
KK is worth a bit more than Houli, so it's not just Tex for Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden + Nat 12...
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 07:55:23 PMQuote from: upthemaidens on September 16, 2015, 07:45:18 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 16, 2015, 07:23:41 PMForget whether it's fair or not... How does trading Tex help Rio? Are they going to play Lamb at F2 next season ::)
KK is worth a bit more than Houli, so it's not just Tex for Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden + Nat 12...
They could well have other trades lined up to get forwards. Who knows ???
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 07:55:23 PMThey might, but the comp can't sit by allowing a team to run itself into the ground.Quote from: upthemaidens on September 16, 2015, 07:45:18 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 16, 2015, 07:23:41 PMForget whether it's fair or not... How does trading Tex help Rio? Are they going to play Lamb at F2 next season ::)
KK is worth a bit more than Houli, so it's not just Tex for Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden + Nat 12...
They could well have other trades lined up to get forwards. Who knows ???
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:01 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 07:55:23 PMMQuote from: upthemaidens on September 16, 2015, 07:45:18 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 16, 2015, 07:23:41 PMForget whether it's fair or not... How does trading Tex help Rio? Are they going to play Lamb at F2 next season ::)
KK is worth a bit more than Houli, so it's not just Tex for Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden + Nat 12...
They could well have other trades lined up to get forwards. Who knows ???
Why do you guys think I am collecting so many forwards? Levi, should we just announce the GAJ trade now or wait a little longer? It might put people's minds at ease if they know you've already got plenty of forwards.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:48:51 PMNegging cause grammar bad
We passed your trade for Tex, but I don't think you can compare it to this trade. A first round draft pick and a proven gun kid in KK plus Lamb is much more better than Mav Weller and Sam Gray.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:10:23 PMinb4 holz
And on top of that we cop more shower about our the trade. We cop more shower than any other team.
Quote from: GoLions on September 16, 2015, 08:15:04 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:48:51 PMNegging cause grammar bad
We passed your trade for Tex, but I don't think you can compare it to this trade. A first round draft pick and a proven gun kid in KK plus Lamb is much more better than Mav Weller and Sam Gray.Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:10:23 PMinb4 holz
And on top of that we cop more shower about our the trade. We cop more shower than any other team.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 16, 2015, 08:07:55 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:01 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 07:55:23 PMMQuote from: upthemaidens on September 16, 2015, 07:45:18 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 16, 2015, 07:23:41 PMForget whether it's fair or not... How does trading Tex help Rio? Are they going to play Lamb at F2 next season ::)
KK is worth a bit more than Houli, so it's not just Tex for Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden + Nat 12...
They could well have other trades lined up to get forwards. Who knows ???
Why do you guys think I am collecting so many forwards? Levi, should we just announce the GAJ trade now or wait a little longer? It might put people's minds at ease if they know you've already got plenty of forwards.
Not sure if being serious or talking shower. Haha
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:18:23 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 16, 2015, 08:07:55 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:01 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 07:55:23 PMMQuote from: upthemaidens on September 16, 2015, 07:45:18 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 16, 2015, 07:23:41 PMForget whether it's fair or not... How does trading Tex help Rio? Are they going to play Lamb at F2 next season ::)
KK is worth a bit more than Houli, so it's not just Tex for Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden + Nat 12...
They could well have other trades lined up to get forwards. Who knows ???
Why do you guys think I am collecting so many forwards? Levi, should we just announce the GAJ trade now or wait a little longer? It might put people's minds at ease if they know you've already got plenty of forwards.
Not sure if being serious or talking shower. Haha
Pretty sure I said I couldn't be more happy about the Zorko trade I had lined up ages ago. Nobody wondered why?
Then again, I'm a Bulldogs supporter with Griffen, Cooney and Higgins as my display photo so maybe I shouldn't be taken seriously?
Quote from: meow meow on September 14, 2015, 09:15:46 PM
Zorko available again :-\
Quote from: DazBurg on September 16, 2015, 08:16:59 PMQuote from: GoLions on September 16, 2015, 08:15:04 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:48:51 PMNegging cause grammar bad
We passed your trade for Tex, but I don't think you can compare it to this trade. A first round draft pick and a proven gun kid in KK plus Lamb is much more better than Mav Weller and Sam Gray.Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:10:23 PMinb4 holz
And on top of that we cop more shower about our the trade. We cop more shower than any other team.
thought the same thing
he takes that title ;)
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Why do you guys think I am collecting so many forwards? Levi, should we just announce the GAJ trade now or wait a little longer? It might put people's minds at ease if they know you've already got plenty of forwards.
Quote from: Levi434 on September 16, 2015, 08:49:08 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Why do you guys think I am collecting so many forwards? Levi, should we just announce the GAJ trade now or wait a little longer? It might put people's minds at ease if they know you've already got plenty of forwards.
I thought we were going to wait until trade period 2 for this?
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:52:33 PMQuote from: Levi434 on September 16, 2015, 08:49:08 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Why do you guys think I am collecting so many forwards? Levi, should we just announce the GAJ trade now or wait a little longer? It might put people's minds at ease if they know you've already got plenty of forwards.
I thought we were going to wait until trade period 2 for this?
Let's let them wonder for a while longer then post it up in a few weeks :D
Quote from: Holz on September 16, 2015, 08:53:38 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:52:33 PMQuote from: Levi434 on September 16, 2015, 08:49:08 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Why do you guys think I am collecting so many forwards? Levi, should we just announce the GAJ trade now or wait a little longer? It might put people's minds at ease if they know you've already got plenty of forwards.
I thought we were going to wait until trade period 2 for this?
Let's let them wonder for a while longer then post it up in a few weeks :D
surely joking. Or the "Ablett is not being traded" comment wont make me happy.
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 08:54:44 PM
Rio going after Goldy as a captain option makes a little more sense now, doesn't it folks?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2015, 08:33:08 PMand yeo won't be Def but more reason to have the young KK int here
wont Robbo and Hall be mid only?
Quote from: Toga on September 16, 2015, 10:00:36 PM
If Tex isn't that great etc and we all should acknowledge that people value players differently then maybe that should've happened the last round of voting :-\
Quote from: nrich102 on September 16, 2015, 10:04:45 PM
Robinson will be a forward next year. Pretty much spent the first half of the season sitting in the forward 50.
Quote from: Levi434 on September 16, 2015, 10:07:03 PMTrue. Both players were forced to play through the midfield because of injury.Quote from: nrich102 on September 16, 2015, 10:04:45 PM
Robinson will be a forward next year. Pretty much spent the first half of the season sitting in the forward 50.
As did Hall.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:25:18 PMYeah usually best to avoid the baiting, otherwise it can lead to getting people really riled up especially in the XV comps. It's good for debating and arguing to some extent, until you start taking it personally, then best to back away :-X.
For the rest of trade period I should probably stop myself from being baited to make angry comments ha.....
Quote from: Holz on September 16, 2015, 10:19:02 PM
wont matter Hall can be F/D/M/R
you dont get points in the NEAFL.
if you did Tom MItchell would be the MVP of the comp
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2015, 11:33:11 PMQuote from: Holz on September 16, 2015, 10:19:02 PM
wont matter Hall can be F/D/M/R
you dont get points in the NEAFL.
if you did Tom MItchell would be the MVP of the comp
Hall will be GC's #1 mid even when spuds like GAJ, JOM, Prestia and Swallow come back in. Won't affect his scoring or JS, at all!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 17, 2015, 03:15:20 AM
just to prove a point
Cannon was traded in last year for NAT 10 who averaged 80 last year as a defender and 88 the year before in a draft seen as better then this one
the extra players Tom Lamb + Luke Lowden plus the fact that KK is a win for Houli add more to it also
the Cannon trade deserved to be blocked more then this one does they offered us Cannon for NAT 10 we couldn't say yes quick enough
i know someone will be a smartass and mention his form this year but he is only 23 entitled to a down year
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 09:35:41 AM
It's a new day, surely we can move on and talk about something else?
Quote from: meow meow on September 07, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
Cairo/Nige are definitely the easiest and most reasonable to deal with.
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:04:23 PM
Why do people continue to trade with Dublin? Holz has shown that he'll slay everyone in the trading department. Turned JOM into Buddy and Libba.
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:04:23 PM
Why do people continue to trade with Dublin? Holz has shown that he'll slay everyone in the trading department. Turned JOM into Buddy and Libba.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 17, 2015, 02:18:28 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:04:23 PM
Why do people continue to trade with Dublin? Holz has shown that he'll slay everyone in the trading department. Turned JOM into Buddy and Libba.
i know a few clubs that don't bother trading with him
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:04:23 PMI ask myself this question every time.
Why do people continue to trade with Dublin? Holz has shown that he'll slay everyone in the trading department. Turned JOM into Buddy and Libba.
Quote from: Holz on September 17, 2015, 02:38:02 PM:o #magic
Capetown Gives: Joel Selwood + Lachie Hunter
Dublin Gives: Troy Chaplin + Joel Selwood
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:48:16 PM
Best?
Christchurch trade: Jarryd Roughead, Rory Sloane, picks 37 and 43
Dublin trade: Dayne Zorko, Travis Boak, picks 12 and 21
Zorko is younger, more durable and better than Rough, Boak is just as good as Sloane. The age difference between Boak and Sloane isn't that big, and the picks were put to good use. Got Scully with #12 and Kyle Langford with 21. What did you get? Majak Daw.
Hardly call that one a big win.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 03:01:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
I wasn't actually referring to this (was more so the d!ck waving) but seeing as you're mentioning it you do realize we got Andrew Boston in that deal too right?
Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 17, 2015, 03:33:52 PM
I cried after that Fyfe trade.
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 03:14:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 03:01:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
I wasn't actually referring to this (was more so the d!ck waving) but seeing as you're mentioning it you do realize we got Andrew Boston in that deal too right?
Congratulations, you got a player who only gets games when his team is down to 23 fit players on the entire list and who'll be delisted in 2 years time.
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 03:14:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 03:01:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
I wasn't actually referring to this (was more so the d!ck waving) but seeing as you're mentioning it you do realize we got Andrew Boston in that deal too right?
Congratulations, you got a player who only gets games when his team is down to 23 fit players on the entire list and who'll be delisted in 2 years time.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 04:07:26 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 03:14:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 03:01:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
I wasn't actually referring to this (was more so the d!ck waving) but seeing as you're mentioning it you do realize we got Andrew Boston in that deal too right?
Congratulations, you got a player who only gets games when his team is down to 23 fit players on the entire list and who'll be delisted in 2 years time.
We'll see, and tbh who cares? Libba, Mundy, TMac and SJ were the factors in that deal. Grundy and Boston are just fluff.
You can get back to your d!ck waving contest with Holz now :P
Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 04:52:38 PMYeah if you really wanted to have a chance at winning the flag, what you'd do is just not trade with Dublin. Ever. Force them to stick with the list they have and replenish it through the draft (not saying Holz can't do it but he's obviously much more effective in trading).Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 04:07:26 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 03:14:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 03:01:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
I wasn't actually referring to this (was more so the d!ck waving) but seeing as you're mentioning it you do realize we got Andrew Boston in that deal too right?
Congratulations, you got a player who only gets games when his team is down to 23 fit players on the entire list and who'll be delisted in 2 years time.
We'll see, and tbh who cares? Libba, Mundy, TMac and SJ were the factors in that deal. Grundy and Boston are just fluff.
You can get back to your d!ck waving contest with Holz now :P
Pretty sure I don't care about Boston at all, that's why I didn't mention him. Grundy isn't fluff. He's an 80 ave defender with 3 seasons left. He's probably good enough to be a starter at D4 for Dublin.
What are you talking about? I said Holz is the best trader by a mile so I can't understand why people think they're going to do well when trading with him. It was a question to teams like yours who think you can break even or win trades with him. History suggests otherwise.
Quote from: Jayman on September 17, 2015, 05:01:38 PM(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ONt0PXI_W2o/UZOC81tQ5MI/AAAAAAAADtY/jSzzvvio8OY/s1600/its-ok-fingers-sign.png)Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 04:52:38 PMYeah if you really wanted to have a chance at winning the flag, what you'd do is just not trade with Dublin. Ever. Force them to stick with the list they have and replenish it through the draft (not saying Holz can't do it but he's obviously much more effective in trading).Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 04:07:26 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 03:14:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 03:01:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
I wasn't actually referring to this (was more so the d!ck waving) but seeing as you're mentioning it you do realize we got Andrew Boston in that deal too right?
Congratulations, you got a player who only gets games when his team is down to 23 fit players on the entire list and who'll be delisted in 2 years time.
We'll see, and tbh who cares? Libba, Mundy, TMac and SJ were the factors in that deal. Grundy and Boston are just fluff.
You can get back to your d!ck waving contest with Holz now :P
Pretty sure I don't care about Boston at all, that's why I didn't mention him. Grundy isn't fluff. He's an 80 ave defender with 3 seasons left. He's probably good enough to be a starter at D4 for Dublin.
What are you talking about? I said Holz is the best trader by a mile so I can't understand why people think they're going to do well when trading with him. It was a question to teams like yours who think you can break even or win trades with him. History suggests otherwise.
Instead, you've given the best team in the comp by a mile another young premium to help extend their dominance. Not sure how that helps New York at all really.
Quote from: Nige on September 17, 2015, 05:05:14 PMQuote from: Jayman on September 17, 2015, 05:01:38 PM(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ONt0PXI_W2o/UZOC81tQ5MI/AAAAAAAADtY/jSzzvvio8OY/s1600/its-ok-fingers-sign.png)Quote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 04:52:38 PMYeah if you really wanted to have a chance at winning the flag, what you'd do is just not trade with Dublin. Ever. Force them to stick with the list they have and replenish it through the draft (not saying Holz can't do it but he's obviously much more effective in trading).Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 04:07:26 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 03:14:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 03:01:06 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 17, 2015, 02:57:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 02:32:24 PM
Can't tell if you're serious or just taking the absolute piss. I'd hope it's the latter
I didn't mean 4 years each haha. Grundy is signed until the end of 2018, SJ has 2 years left in him. That's 5 ~ 80 seasons from a fwd and defender vs 2 for Mundy at 105 (won't keep it up).
I said Holz gave up JOM > Fyfe > Buddy
> TMac > Libba
and then he said he gave up Mundy too. Pretty sure it was TMac for Libba in your trade so must have been SJ & Grundy for Mundy, which is irrelevant to what I was saying but Holz felt the need to say Mundy + Fyfe for Buddy + Libba, which is actually wrong.
I wasn't actually referring to this (was more so the d!ck waving) but seeing as you're mentioning it you do realize we got Andrew Boston in that deal too right?
Congratulations, you got a player who only gets games when his team is down to 23 fit players on the entire list and who'll be delisted in 2 years time.
We'll see, and tbh who cares? Libba, Mundy, TMac and SJ were the factors in that deal. Grundy and Boston are just fluff.
You can get back to your d!ck waving contest with Holz now :P
Pretty sure I don't care about Boston at all, that's why I didn't mention him. Grundy isn't fluff. He's an 80 ave defender with 3 seasons left. He's probably good enough to be a starter at D4 for Dublin.
What are you talking about? I said Holz is the best trader by a mile so I can't understand why people think they're going to do well when trading with him. It was a question to teams like yours who think you can break even or win trades with him. History suggests otherwise.
Instead, you've given the best team in the comp by a mile another young premium to help extend their dominance. Not sure how that helps New York at all really.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 17, 2015, 05:47:25 PMmate what a load of BS all you have done is take your team and turned it to crap
Again the comments saying we should not trade to improve our total list are ignorant.
If you don't offer big trading chips you do not improve your list.
I could not give 2 showers about other teams lists. I only care about making our list better which we clearly have.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 17, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
Nice little bandwagon you've got there meow.
It gets really tiring having to listen to everyone take their cheap shots at us and continually question our trades. Clearly you wouldn't, but I bet if meow did the same trades we did he wouldn't cop the shower we do. It's blatantly personal, not by everyone but by some
As for trading with Holz, I enjoy having discussions with him and we actually both spend a lot of time on here so we're able to go back and forth and with in depth discussions so it's no surprise we eventually come to deals.
Some of you need to seriously move on and stop digging into us. You think we're gifting teams like Dublin and Mexico and it's making it harder for everyone else. Well we went from 14th to 7th in a year and will push the top 4 next year.
As for Libba and Bennell, it's not like they don't have off field issues. Stevie J has a year left in him, probably averaging 80-90 and being rested and it's funny how all of a sudden Grundy is rated when for ages we couldn't give him away and nobody was interested in him. You may have noticed that as soon as we traded him we got in Scott D Thompson to replace him.
Speaking of which we traded out troubled Harley who could be gone for ever in a year or twos time who knows, and added on Duffield who can't even get into the 22 and Whiley who is nothing but a prospect, and got 3 starters in return.
Anyway, none of this is personal, I'm just blowing off a little steam because it's ridiculous how often cheap shots are made at us when our team is only getting stronger and stronger. The whole making Dublin and Mexico stronger argument is ludicrous too. If you want to wait around for 5 years for their players to age then good luck
You gotta spend money to make money
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 17, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
Do teams in the AFL care about the impact on other teams when they make trades? No they take the best offer for their team.
Why should any team take a lesser offer? If Dublin and Mexico offer us more for our players then obviously we should take those deals as they make our team better for the short term and the long term.
If we took offers from other teams we would have no chance at all and should give up because we would not have moved from 14th to 7th last year and would not potentially improve next year.
Maybe you flowerers just all win and I will leave the comp.
I'm sick of the shower here and have better things to do.
Its meant to be a fun competition to do in some spare time (which I barely have had any in the last 3-4 months) but it starting to get personal and I've just about had enough.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 17, 2015, 06:14:18 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on September 17, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
Do teams in the AFL care about the impact on other teams when they make trades? No they take the best offer for their team.
Why should any team take a lesser offer? If Dublin and Mexico offer us more for our players then obviously we should take those deals as they make our team better for the short term and the long term.
If we took offers from other teams we would have no chance at all and should give up because we would not have moved from 14th to 7th last year and would not potentially improve next year.
Maybe you flowerers just all win and I will leave the comp.
I'm sick of the shower here and have better things to do.
Its meant to be a fun competition to do in some spare time (which I barely have had any in the last 3-4 months) but it starting to get personal and I've just about had enough.
same question to you AK did my post fool ya or did you catch it?.....tell the truth i got ya didn't i? :P...lol
Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2015, 06:14:58 PMMost blokes are just discussing the trades that have been made, and also talking about the differentiation in tactics between them and the strategy RD and AK have adopted. Nothing real personal IMO. You don't even have to defend the shower you do if you don't want to :P
I think you boys are just letting it get to you a little to easily tbh. I haven't seen anything personal (unless I missed it)
Quote from: GoLions on September 17, 2015, 06:37:58 PM
NY no chance for top 4. RD/AK, I'll bet you 2.5 Nigeys (won from Rocky being goat, pay up Jay you flower ;) ), that Cairo not only beats you H2H this year, but finishes above you on the ladder as well.
#NoLibbaNoNY
Quote from: GoLions on September 17, 2015, 06:37:58 PM
NY no chance for top 4. RD/AK, I'll bet you 2.5 Nigeys (won from Rocky being goat, pay up Jay you flower ;) ), that Cairo not only beats you H2H this year, but finishes above you on the ladder as well.
#NoLibbaNoNY
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 17, 2015, 06:38:59 PMQuote from: GoLions on September 17, 2015, 06:37:58 PM
NY no chance for top 4. RD/AK, I'll bet you 2.5 Nigeys (won from Rocky being goat, pay up Jay you flower ;) ), that Cairo not only beats you H2H this year, but finishes above you on the ladder as well.
#NoLibbaNoNY
They had no Libba this year and did all right...
Quote from: My Chumps on September 17, 2015, 06:17:38 PMQuote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2015, 06:14:58 PMMost blokes are just discussing the trades that have been made, and also talking about the differentiation in tactics between them and the strategy RD and AK have adopted. Nothing real personal IMO. You don't even have to defend the shower you do if you don't want to :P
I think you boys are just letting it get to you a little to easily tbh. I haven't seen anything personal (unless I missed it)
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 17, 2015, 06:53:59 PMI'm not even mad.
And no hashtag will ever replace #NoMummyNoCairo :'(.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 17, 2015, 06:59:07 PM
If we don't like banter, Exv is the place for you :P
Quote from: Holz on September 17, 2015, 07:20:05 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 17, 2015, 06:59:07 PM
If we don't like banter, Exv is the place for you :P
Not when the mighty Hungary is up and running
Quote from: Vinny on September 18, 2015, 06:02:30 PMwilling to give up all 4 for a starting forward
If anyone has a starting forward to trade PM me; I.Smith, A.Swallow, J.Ziebell and J.Crisp could all move.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 18, 2015, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 18, 2015, 06:02:30 PMwilling to give up all 4 for a starting forward
If anyone has a starting forward to trade PM me; I.Smith, A.Swallow, J.Ziebell and J.Crisp could all move.
ok ok you convinced me you can have tom lynch :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2015, 06:28:27 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 18, 2015, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 18, 2015, 06:02:30 PMwilling to give up all 4 for a starting forward
If anyone has a starting forward to trade PM me; I.Smith, A.Swallow, J.Ziebell and J.Crisp could all move.
ok ok you convinced me you can have tom lynch :P
wont get negged as long as holz isnt involved :P
Quote from: Holz on September 18, 2015, 07:01:01 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2015, 06:28:27 PMQuote from: DazBurg on September 18, 2015, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 18, 2015, 06:02:30 PMwilling to give up all 4 for a starting forward
If anyone has a starting forward to trade PM me; I.Smith, A.Swallow, J.Ziebell and J.Crisp could all move.
ok ok you convinced me you can have tom lynch :P
wont get negged as long as holz isnt involved :P
I might chuck in a bid for jz
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 20, 2015, 12:48:55 PM
Surprised there's been no commentary on the latest deal yet.
Touk Miller is 19, a ball magnet, averaged 73 in his first seasons and played every game and he's been traded for a guy who is a touch older, averaged 56 and could barely get a game this season and last (15 games in two years including 8 vests means shaky JS).
And the side giving Miller has added a second rounder? If anything it should be the other way around.
You say you want a forward but, I also think Miller may well be a forward. If not next year then in the following seasons once Ablett, Prestia, Swallow, JOM and co are back fit.
:o :o :o :o
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 20, 2015, 06:38:40 PMWell, for starters, he currently is one.
Will Lennon even be a forward? Thought Dimma said he would play off half back now.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 21, 2015, 01:22:33 PM
9 coaches down, 8 to go before my ruling :)
Four different trades have attracted votes so far...
Quote from: Holz on September 21, 2015, 01:44:47 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 21, 2015, 01:22:33 PM
9 coaches down, 8 to go before my ruling :)
Four different trades have attracted votes so far...
can I put $1,000,000 on Dublin being one of those trades at $1.000001 to pick up a tasty $1 profit.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 21, 2015, 01:50:45 PMQuote from: Holz on September 21, 2015, 01:44:47 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 21, 2015, 01:22:33 PM
9 coaches down, 8 to go before my ruling :)
Four different trades have attracted votes so far...
can I put $1,000,000 on Dublin being one of those trades at $1.000001 to pick up a tasty $1 profit.
no you're winning to much with that will get negged :P
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 21, 2015, 07:35:38 PMSame, we didn't neg any.
I thought all the trades were pretty good.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 21, 2015, 07:35:38 PM
I thought all the trades were pretty good.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 21, 2015, 07:35:38 PM
I thought all the trades were pretty good.
Quote from: Ringo on September 21, 2015, 07:28:53 PM
I am taking my time as at the moment I am only happy with three of the trades and doing a lot more analysis on others.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 21, 2015, 07:40:56 PMRemember I aprrove or neg trades in British so I follow that through here.Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 21, 2015, 07:35:38 PM
I thought all the trades were pretty good.
+1Quote from: Ringo on September 21, 2015, 07:28:53 PM
I am taking my time as at the moment I am only happy with three of the trades and doing a lot more analysis on others.
Let your hair down Ringo! Stop overthinking trades ;)
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 21, 2015, 09:21:41 PM>:D.
3 more coaches to come :)
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 21, 2015, 09:35:22 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 21, 2015, 09:21:41 PM>:D.
3 more coaches to come :)
Quote from: Holz on September 21, 2015, 09:45:35 PM:oQuote from: Hellopplz on September 21, 2015, 09:35:22 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 21, 2015, 09:21:41 PM>:D.
3 more coaches to come :)
kick out PNL
Quote- 9 votes against and the trade fails
- 6-8 votes against and the trade fails, unless the Admin decides to let it pass
- 3-5 votes against and the trade passes, unless the Admin decides to let it fail
- 0-2 votes against and the passes.
Quote from: Holz on September 22, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
I have to ask the question if 7/10 trades people have an issue with, do we have an issue with the coaches in worlds. I dont think we do but if there are lots of questionable trades each week then the losing teams coaching ability is being questioned.
I personally cant see how 70% of the trades someone can see that they are horribly one sided or have a major negative effect on the comp.
it looks to me like any trade not involving scrubs come into question.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 10:23:24 AMIt's always going to happen when coaches value players differently.Quote from: Holz on September 22, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
I have to ask the question if 7/10 trades people have an issue with, do we have an issue with the coaches in worlds. I dont think we do but if there are lots of questionable trades each week then the losing teams coaching ability is being questioned.
I personally cant see how 70% of the trades someone can see that they are horribly one sided or have a major negative effect on the comp.
it looks to me like any trade not involving scrubs come into question.
Completely agree
I'd be really curious to see each coach/team neg rate.
We clearly have a few coaches who are either over analyzing things, or just letting their personal opinions/agenda's take over
It's getting ridiculous now
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 22, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
We're not changing to admin approval. Go look at some of the trades approved in euros and Asians
Quote from: Jayman on September 22, 2015, 11:25:17 AMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on September 22, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
We're not changing to admin approval. Go look at some of the trades approved in euros and Asians
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 22, 2015, 11:31:12 AM
Yeah, because everyone has their different views, I of course have my own, so I fear if we did Admin only, I could reject a trade where I'm the extreme minority of that opinion.
Plus, I could see coaches PM me and say "How could you possibly let that trade through?!" and really I think it would add more drama then what it is now.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 22, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
people can appeal your decisions and then a committee votes on the trade
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 22, 2015, 11:32:24 AMNot that I want it changed right now, but I reckon this is the best way. Admin aprrove/blocks, then if you get 3-4 coaches strongly appeal the decision then that trade goes to a committee to be re-looked at.
people can appeal your decisions and then a committee votes on the trade
Quote from: Holz on September 22, 2015, 11:34:35 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 22, 2015, 11:31:12 AM
Yeah, because everyone has their different views, I of course have my own, so I fear if we did Admin only, I could reject a trade where I'm the extreme minority of that opinion.
Plus, I could see coaches PM me and say "How could you possibly let that trade through?!" and really I think it would add more drama then what it is now.
I understand that completely but dont you kind of have admin powers already.
for example I had trades blocked last year when 14 or 15 of the coaches approve the deal. The Walker deal last week had 13/18 votes to approve and went down.
im ok with this though. I obviously like admin powers.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2015, 11:37:45 AMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 22, 2015, 11:32:24 AMNot that I want it changed right now, but I reckon this is the best way. Admin aprrove/blocks, then if you get 3-4 coaches strongly appeal the decision then that trade goes to a committee to be re-looked at.
people can appeal your decisions and then a committee votes on the trade
Quote from: meow meow on September 22, 2015, 11:56:52 AM
There's nothing wrong with the current system. The WXV coaches are the committee that the vote needs to be put to and we're not going to find a better bunch of opinions to decide trades than the crop we've got in here.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 12:00:14 PMThen why complain about some coaches negging trades / taking their time / suggest they have an agenda?Quote from: meow meow on September 22, 2015, 11:56:52 AM
There's nothing wrong with the current system. The WXV coaches are the committee that the vote needs to be put to and we're not going to find a better bunch of opinions to decide trades than the crop we've got in here.
Agree
The whole committee idea although nice in theory, is not really required and is just overkill imo. As meow said, I wouldn't want anyone outside of the coaches involved in Worlds having a say
Quote from: meow meow on September 22, 2015, 11:56:52 AM
There's nothing wrong with the current system. The WXV coaches are the committee that the vote needs to be put to and we're not going to find a better bunch of opinions to decide trades than the crop we've got in here.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2015, 12:07:41 PM
[Then why complain about some coaches negging trades / taking their time / suggest they have an agenda?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 22, 2015, 12:43:32 PM
lol how can you say there is nothing wrong with this system
and the admin system works fine in other comps with much less arguments
Quote from: meow meow on September 22, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
There's no agenda against Holz/Dublin. I didn't block his Libba trade since it was fair. I blocked the Goldy trade since Holz must have fed Levi alcohol, turned the lights off and convinced him that he was Leigh Montagna.
Quote from: meow meow on September 22, 2015, 12:46:19 PM
...my cousin...is a lawyer..
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2015, 01:39:28 PM
People complaining that there is agendas against certain coaches is a joke. Surely they can see the coaches we have at the moment are better than that. NY and Dublin; not all your trades get rejected but when they do its for a reason, as for every other team. If you can't handle the heat of doing big trades, don't do them. Big player trades always bring heat, on here and in real life, cop it.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 01:59:10 PMQuote from: Vinny on September 22, 2015, 01:39:28 PM
People complaining that there is agendas against certain coaches is a joke. Surely they can see the coaches we have at the moment are better than that. NY and Dublin; not all your trades get rejected but when they do its for a reason, as for every other team. If you can't handle the heat of doing big trades, don't do them. Big player trades always bring heat, on here and in real life, cop it.
LOL, take it easy. It's got nothing to do with "handling the heat". Some coaches need to stop looking for a reason to neg a trade.
Anyway, this convo is pointless. People value and rate players differently, so as long as that exists it is what it is and there's no point talking about it any further. Just submit your trades, clench your asshole and hope for the best
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 12:54:54 PM
I just get frustrated when any trade that involves a good player attracts so much heat and causes so much hoo hah.
Quote- 9 votes against and the trade fails
- 6-8 votes against and the trade fails, unless the Admin decides to let it pass
- 3-5 votes against and the trade passes, unless the Admin decides to let it fail
- 0-2 votes against and the passes.
Quote12. c4v3m4n - T Mitchell
13. My Chumps - N Haynes
14. Purple 77 - B Crouch
15. pothead - B Ellis
12 Wellington - Kristian Jaksch
13 Beijing - Ben Kennedy
14 Beijing - Sam Mayes
15 New York - Jackson Macrae
12. Cape Town - Matt Crouch
13. Cairo - Luke Dunstan
14. New Delhi - Dayle Garlett
15. Pacific - Cameron McCarthy
12. Seoul - Lachlan Weller
13. Cairo - Connor Blakely
14. Moscow - Darcy Moore
15. Buenos Aires - Corey Ellis
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 22, 2015, 06:50:53 PMi'm happy to put my hand up and say that was me
One suggested that if the picks weren't involved then they would let is pass.
lol so due to an almost insignificant pick upgrade they voted against
i know it was passed but lol
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 22, 2015, 06:42:27 PM
Trade 25 (3 votes)
Rio de Janeiro trade: Stephen Hill, Andrew Walker + Mitch Clark
Toronto trade: Mitch Robinson, Aaron Hall, Tom Cutler, Jackson Ramsay + Sean Lemmens
Coaches comments: One coach said Toronto are overpaying, one coach said Rio were overpaying, and the other expressed concerns about Rio's team structure.
Admin comments: Robinson has a case to keep forward status next year, with that being the case he probably equals Stephen Hill whom averaged 3 more points than him this year. Mitch Clark is injury prone and a bit of an unknown, so I'd argue he wouldn't have too much value so I'll say he equals Lemmens, Cutler & Ramsay if I'm being generous. Which leaves Walker v Hall... Walker was a premium defender two years ago whom seems to be on the decline, Hall is more likely than unlikely to be a pure mid next year, which added unknowns to his JS when other suns players play, but he has shown he can score... there is definitely not enough here to make me change the decision.
Verdict: PASS
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 04:37:39 PM
I might have mentioned the word agenda once, but it was more so in reference of how people evaluate trades
The mere fact that someone neg'd the Cooney for Gray trade for example, is what I am getting at.
I mean seriously, why would you even bother negging that? Cooney going to get Mexico another flag?
Anyway, like I said - just lodge your trades, clench your cheeks and hope for common sense to prevail
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 07:26:49 PM
I guess if trades take you over the cap it's ok as you can always delist, but if they take you below the cap they have to be rejected straight away?? Ada still has more than enough time to do other trades to get him above the Cap. Is it just rejected because he may in fact not be able to construct enough deals to get above?
Quote from: Holz on September 22, 2015, 07:16:53 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 22, 2015, 06:56:11 PMQuoteTrade 24
Rio de Janeiro trade: Marc Murphy, Jack Riewoldt, Pick 79 + PSD Pick 5
Dublin trade: Travis Boak + Jobe Watson + Josh Bruce + Jason Holmes
Rio actually have PSD Pick 4, not 5. There are no priority picks in either the pre-season or rookie draft.
But to be thorough, need both coaches to confirm the change, then consider it done.
Pass. To use the pick I skip in nat right?
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2015, 08:21:52 PM
Wait, so we can make trades that lower our cap as long as we make later trades that increase it?
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2015, 08:21:52 PM
Wait, so we can make trades that lower our cap as long as we make later trades that increase it?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 12:29:14 PMSorry RD have to disagree with you her and that is fine as each is entitled to their views. When I got the list of trades at first glance I was only happy with 3. So based on your theory I should have negged 7 straight away. However after reviewing and analysing only negged 4. Hence my reasons for taking time as I want to be fair in my judgements.Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2015, 12:07:41 PM
[Then why complain about some coaches negging trades / taking their time / suggest they have an agenda?
Taking their time is not something I complain about, that's fine, but then I would ask - what is taking so long? If you need to think about it, do some analysis etc then it's clearly not an instant NO from you, so just pass it and move on
Horrible one sided trades would get an instant No reaction, and these are the only trades we should be blocking
Thing long think wrong
As for the agenda comment, there are instances of a trade/s getting negged because of the teams involved, and that's what I was referring to. Holz is the obvious example
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 22, 2015, 08:53:04 PM
If spreadsheets aren't for you, I've updated the Player Lists and Caps below :)
WXV Player Lists & Draft Order (http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,104833.0.html)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2015, 10:34:23 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 22, 2015, 08:53:04 PM
If spreadsheets aren't for you, I've updated the Player Lists and Caps below :)
WXV Player Lists & Draft Order (http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,104833.0.html)
Sorry to be a pain, but do you reckon you could update the draft pick order too? Picks have been traded, but are not reflective like the team lists are :)
Os used to just strikethrough the trade, then put the new team owner of that trade next to it
Eg/
Pick 12New York RevolutionRio De Janeiro
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 22, 2015, 08:25:40 PMThat's ok, NDT will do it the hard way ;)Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2015, 08:21:52 PM
Wait, so we can make trades that lower our cap as long as we make later trades that increase it?
This is just a one-off, as I reckon Ada wasn't aware of how strict it had to be.
OH! I forgot to mention that they are actually over the minimum cap, which is why I'm allowing this to happen just this once. Probably should have mentioned that.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 23, 2015, 10:31:35 AM
I've been floating around a Colin Garland + Will Langford combo for an 80+ averaging defender or forward... PM me if interested! I'd wanna be confident that they'd at least have 3 years left in them :)
Quote from: meow meow on September 23, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Shaun McKernan will be on the move this trade period.
With an 83 average he's good enough to get a gig in a lot of teams forward line, he's my 2nd best forward actually. Doesn't even need to be a ruck to be a valuable pick up. But the fact that he is makes him even more valuable.
With Carlile on the way out the Bombers need him in the team even if they get another ruckman this trade period. Take a look at all the Essendon best 22's for 2016 on whatever forum you can think of and big Shaun is in all of them.
Absolutely dominated Brody Grundy who is supposedly the best young ruckman around. Just turned 25 years old and is a perfect example of a big man who just takes a little more time to develop but looks to have found his happy place.
Quote from: Holz on September 23, 2015, 10:46:20 AMQuote from: meow meow on September 23, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Shaun McKernan will be on the move this trade period.
With an 83 average he's good enough to get a gig in a lot of teams forward line, he's my 2nd best forward actually. Doesn't even need to be a ruck to be a valuable pick up. But the fact that he is makes him even more valuable.
With Carlile on the way out the Bombers need him in the team even if they get another ruckman this trade period. Take a look at all the Essendon best 22's for 2016 on whatever forum you can think of and big Shaun is in all of them.
Absolutely dominated Brody Grundy who is supposedly the best young ruckman around. Just turned 25 years old and is a perfect example of a big man who just takes a little more time to develop but looks to have found his happy place.
why not keep him?
Sandi is old and Minson probably in the VFL. Dont you need a backup? or someone to take over if he is a young gun ruck?
Quote from: Nige on September 23, 2015, 11:20:46 AM
Still looking for a mid.
Happy to package up to depth defenders in Ben Stratton + Nick Smith to get one (or two).
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 23, 2015, 11:56:33 AMFringe. Somebody who is good enough to step up and fill the interchange/utility spot if need be, so preferably somebody best 22.Quote from: Nige on September 23, 2015, 11:20:46 AM
Still looking for a mid.
Happy to package up to depth defenders in Ben Stratton + Nick Smith to get one (or two).
You're just looking for a depth mid in return I assume?
Quote from: Ricochet on September 13, 2015, 10:11:24 PM
I'm keen to get more in!
If your looking to lower your cap then we have these boys who'll be looking to have huuuuge seasons next year
David Myers 1
Reece Conca 117
Jack Trengove 0
Stephen Coniglio 1519 Mitch Wallis 1351 Isaac Heeney 490 Jack Darling 571 Daniel Rich 1347 Jack Martin 594 David Myers 1 Jeremy Howe 1322 Reece Conca 117 Sharrod Wellingham 1307 Jack Trengove 0 Patrick McCartin 223 Zachary Clarke 816 Tomas Bugg 663 Nicholas Robertson 637 Riley Knight 270 Toby Nankervis 210 Sebastian Ross 292 Bradley Walsh 24 Ed Langdon 0 | Chris Masten 1594 Koby Stevens 949 Matt Crouch 633 Aaron Mullett 99 Sam Kerridge 22 Ben Griffiths 731 Lewis Pierce 0 Liam Sumner 0 Luke Delaney 440 Jack Hannath 55 Blaine Johnson 64 Brant Colledge 17 Craig Moller 0 Daniel Talia 734 Jarman Impey 612 Jarrad Grant 783 Jimmy Webster 736 Rohan Bail 140 Sam Russell 0 Simon Tunbridge 48 | Tom Curren 89 William Hams 88 Simon White 644 Tim O'Brien 0 Nat #1 Nat #2 Nat #47 Nat #59 Nat #76 PSD #1 |
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
wow that current list download is amazingly helpful
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 23, 2015, 07:50:56 PMCould you find all the players who weren't subbed, or how often players weren't subbedQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
wow that current list download is amazingly helpful
Ah good! Was what I was going for :D
Also, if anyone wanted anything else added to it, I'd gladly oblige (unless you want me to find all the subs, then get flowered :P)
Quote from: GoLions on September 23, 2015, 08:20:20 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 23, 2015, 07:50:56 PMCould you find all the players who weren't subbed, or how often players weren't subbedQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
wow that current list download is amazingly helpful
Ah good! Was what I was going for :D
Also, if anyone wanted anything else added to it, I'd gladly oblige (unless you want me to find all the subs, then get flowered :P)
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 23, 2015, 10:39:05 PMQuote from: GoLions on September 23, 2015, 08:20:20 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 23, 2015, 07:50:56 PMCould you find all the players who weren't subbed, or how often players weren't subbedQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
wow that current list download is amazingly helpful
Ah good! Was what I was going for :D
Also, if anyone wanted anything else added to it, I'd gladly oblige (unless you want me to find all the subs, then get flowered :P)
Touche...
Also, feel like I should mention that if Josh Thomas or Lachie Keeffe aren't on an AFL list by the end of the year, then you must delist them. But should they return to the AFL one day, the team that had them last will have first rights to them via a Father/Son bidding system (the one in 2014, not the bs that it is currently).
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 23, 2015, 07:27:44 PM
guys if you want any of these guys we will take pick upgrades
Spencer White
Zachary Bates
Kane Lucas
Michael Manteit
Lachlan Keeffe
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 25, 2015, 05:20:33 PM
Well, Libba didn't stay at Dublin too long!
And to think that 12 months ago both Libba and Treloar were at New York :-X :P ;D
Quote from: meow meow on September 25, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
I swear Holz wants to collect all my former Moscow players.
Quote from: Holz on September 25, 2015, 06:11:56 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 25, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
I swear Holz wants to collect all my former Moscow players.
to be fair Libba was a moscow player too
isnt it just Dustin Martin and Adam Treloar?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 25, 2015, 07:27:55 PM
does something like pick 6 for Freeman and K Langford interest you
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 26, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
@Toga, I can't reply to your PM; it says your inbox is full!
How many messages do you have?!
Quote from: Toga on September 26, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Weird, I had the same thing with others this morning! I only have a few hundred messages though, I've cleared most of them now so definitely shouldn't be any more problems?
Quote from: Toga on September 26, 2015, 11:57:36 AM
What the! Did HP fiddle around with some settings last night and change something?
I tried sending Jukes one, I know someone else said they couldn't send Nige one... Is it something to do with XV's premiers?
EDIT: It's gotta be. Myself (AXVs), Jroo (WXVs), Jukes (AXVIIIs), Nige (BXVs) all not working
Quote from: Nige on September 26, 2015, 12:08:40 PMwrong thread to post that in :P
God damn it, is this the price I pay for being successful? :'( >:(
Quote from: DazBurg on September 26, 2015, 12:32:46 PMLel. True that.Quote from: Nige on September 26, 2015, 12:08:40 PMwrong thread to post that in :P
God damn it, is this the price I pay for being successful? :'( >:(
#nomummynocairo
Quote from: meow meow on September 27, 2015, 12:41:13 PM
The Gary Ablett jnr trade will be posted at about 11:55 tonight. That way you lot won't be able to discuss it for almost a week before the trade voting gets sent out.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 27, 2015, 01:42:17 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 27, 2015, 12:41:13 PM
The Gary Ablett jnr trade will be posted at about 11:55 tonight. That way you lot won't be able to discuss it for almost a week before the trade voting gets sent out.
What trade is that?
If you're going to trade Ablett Levi then I really hope you have advertised him to every Top 8 club in the interests of getting the best deal for him.
I certainly don't recall seeing anything posted in the trade thread about Ablett being on the table...
Quote from: Holz on September 27, 2015, 01:48:24 PM
I had a deal close, then he became untradeable and off the market. So assume thats still the case.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 27, 2015, 02:06:14 PM
Tell you what, I think Wellingham is pretty excited about being a New Delhi man atm!
91, 89, 105 in the lat 3 weeks
Quote from: meow meow on September 27, 2015, 12:41:13 PM
The Gary Ablett jnr trade will be posted at about 11:55 tonight. That way you lot won't be able to discuss it for almost a week before the trade voting gets sent out.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2015, 01:40:17 PMwe got dem forwards
Been thinking about trading Jack Viney + Jordan Murdoch for two forwards recently...
It's not a decision I made lightly, and I'm just as happy, oh lord I'd be happy, to keep Jack at Berlin, but I need me dem forwards :-X
Quote from: DazBurg on September 28, 2015, 01:51:58 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2015, 01:40:17 PMwe got dem forwards
Been thinking about trading Jack Viney + Jordan Murdoch for two forwards recently...
It's not a decision I made lightly, and I'm just as happy, oh lord I'd be happy, to keep Jack at Berlin, but I need me dem forwards :-X
so come and get them guys
but you gotta pay :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2015, 02:21:22 PMIf that's Lynch from the Suns, PNL would be paying way overs imo
Berlin give: Nat Fyfe
PNL give: Tom Lynch
Sounds about right ;D
Quote from: GoLions on September 28, 2015, 02:25:13 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2015, 02:21:22 PMIf that's Lynch from the Suns, PNL would be paying way overs imo
Berlin give: Nat Fyfe
PNL give: Tom Lynch
Sounds about right ;D
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2015, 02:21:22 PM
Berlin give: Nat Fyfe
Moscow give:Tom LynchJesse Hogan
Sounds about right ;D
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2015, 02:41:02 PMI didn't have a Melbourne player on my list this season. Won the Premiership. Coincidence? I think not
Just sayin, if all my trades go through, I would have traded out Grimes, Watts & Jamar, with Cross retired, Fitzpatrick delisted, and me looking at trading two other demons...
My demons cost me the semi-final, and they almost lost me the elimination final... NEVER AGAIN will I rely on them!
Quote from: JROO8 on September 28, 2015, 02:43:56 PMYou also had a goat though, which overrides the demonic behaviourQuote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2015, 02:41:02 PMI didn't have a Melbourne player on my list this season. Won the Premiership. Coincidence? I think not
Just sayin, if all my trades go through, I would have traded out Grimes, Watts & Jamar, with Cross retired, Fitzpatrick delisted, and me looking at trading two other demons...
My demons cost me the semi-final, and they almost lost me the elimination final... NEVER AGAIN will I rely on them!
Quote from: JROO8 on September 28, 2015, 02:43:56 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2015, 02:41:02 PMI didn't have a Melbourne player on my list this season. Won the Premiership. Coincidence? I think not
Just sayin, if all my trades go through, I would have traded out Grimes, Watts & Jamar, with Cross retired, Fitzpatrick delisted, and me looking at trading two other demons...
My demons cost me the semi-final, and they almost lost me the elimination final... NEVER AGAIN will I rely on them!
Quote from: Holz on September 28, 2015, 03:31:31 PM
Lachy Hansen + Scott Thompson is up for trade.
looking for defenders like Sam Docherty, Cale Hooker, Jamie Macmillin etc.. with young mids like Dom Tyson, Aaron Vanderberg,Mitch Griggetcc.
can exchange a mid round pick for a late pick as a balancer.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2015, 02:21:22 PMi know your joking
Berlin give: Nat Fyfe
PNL give: Tom Lynch
Sounds about right ;D
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 29, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
*leans back in chair*
Will not be biting 8)
Quote from: meow meow on September 29, 2015, 11:18:04 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 29, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
*leans back in chair*
Will not be biting 8)
You had better bite because I'm with Holz on this one.
Quote from: meow meow on September 29, 2015, 11:18:04 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 29, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
*leans back in chair*
Will not be biting 8)
You had better bite because I'm with Holz on this one.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 29, 2015, 11:27:18 AM
Purps needs to get Yarran from Tokyo first before this deal can even go ahead
I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about that deal
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2015, 11:29:10 AM
how can Seedsman be in the best 22 when he leaving
Quote from: Holz on September 29, 2015, 11:34:52 AMDisagree mate, like we spoke about in the pm. He played 17 games this year, and was rested for 2 games. That's not depthQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2015, 11:29:10 AM
how can Seedsman be in the best 22 when he leaving
he isnt in the best 22 he is depth on the bench (much like oxley) he isnt 100% gone. Either way Oxley still depth.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 11:36:05 AMQuote from: Holz on September 29, 2015, 11:34:52 AMDisagree mate, like we spoke about in the pm. He played 17 games this year, and was rested for 2 games. That's not depthQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2015, 11:29:10 AM
how can Seedsman be in the best 22 when he leaving
he isnt in the best 22 he is depth on the bench (much like oxley) he isnt 100% gone. Either way Oxley still depth.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 12:00:13 PM
Yarran played more VFL games and Oxley this year...
Quote from: Holz on September 29, 2015, 12:03:49 PMand yet word this morning is Carlton can't get rid of him so they may keep himQuote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 12:00:13 PM
Yarran played more VFL games and Oxley this year...
true but he isnt a VFL player called up to the AFL, he is a clear AFL talent who has had a tough year. I reckon its because they knew he was leaving and he was unhappy and had just given up. Put him at the tiges were they push for a flag and watch out.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 12:05:29 PMQuote from: Holz on September 29, 2015, 12:03:49 PMand yet word this morning is Carlton can't get rid of him so they may keep himQuote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 12:00:13 PM
Yarran played more VFL games and Oxley this year...
true but he isnt a VFL player called up to the AFL, he is a clear AFL talent who has had a tough year. I reckon its because they knew he was leaving and he was unhappy and had just given up. Put him at the tiges were they push for a flag and watch out.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 11:36:05 AM
He played 17 games this year, and was rested for 2 games.
Quote from: meow meow on September 29, 2015, 01:23:18 PMHe didn't play for 3 weeks, at any level. That's not being pushed out, losing your spot or dropped.Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 11:36:05 AM
He played 17 games this year, and was rested for 2 games.
Players don't get rested 2 weeks in a row. He lost his spot and couldn't get it back straight away since he's not a lock in the 22. He got opportunities because Shaz and Sinclair were injured, and by the end of the season Marsh and Maynard had overtaken Ox.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 01:33:49 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 29, 2015, 01:23:18 PMHe didn't play for 3 weeks, at any level. That's not being pushed out, losing your spot or dropped.Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2015, 11:36:05 AM
He played 17 games this year, and was rested for 2 games.
Players don't get rested 2 weeks in a row. He lost his spot and couldn't get it back straight away since he's not a lock in the 22. He got opportunities because Shaz and Sinclair were injured, and by the end of the season Marsh and Maynard had overtaken Ox.
Not sure why you boys don't rate him, he's had a pretty decent year. Wouldn't mind him down at NDT :P
Quote from: Holz on September 30, 2015, 10:15:28 AM
u should we talk about trades relying on trades relying on trades.
unless they are 3 way or 4 way deals I dont think you should be able to trade players that you already dont have. Also I thought we didnt approach people about players they dont have. I was going to make plays for players when the official trades went through.
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You offered Libba for Treloar before your Libba deal was approved....
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 30, 2015, 10:41:58 AMQuote from: Holz on September 30, 2015, 10:15:28 AMYou offered Libba for Treloar before your Libba deal was approved....
u should we talk about trades relying on trades relying on trades.
unless they are 3 way or 4 way deals I dont think you should be able to trade players that you already dont have. Also I thought we didnt approach people about players they dont have. I was going to make plays for players when the official trades went through.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 30, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
3 coaches to go,
Still just the two trades that attracted one vote each
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 30, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
3 coaches to go,
Still just the two trades that attracted one vote each
Quote from: Holz on September 30, 2015, 11:02:27 AMWe couldn't do a three way trade because I wasn't offered Masten until after I got Hill. Or I probably would've.Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 30, 2015, 10:41:58 AMQuote from: Holz on September 30, 2015, 10:15:28 AMYou offered Libba for Treloar before your Libba deal was approved....
u should we talk about trades relying on trades relying on trades.
unless they are 3 way or 4 way deals I dont think you should be able to trade players that you already dont have. Also I thought we didnt approach people about players they dont have. I was going to make plays for players when the official trades went through.
that is a good point. However it kind of depends if these trades were designed to get players for other teams and then to ontrade or if people put in offers afterwards. If it was designed to ontrade then i dont understand why three way deals didnt happen.
I didnt do a three way deal as i need to keep my trades as simple as possible or they get rejected. I dont feel anyone else has that issue. Especially Mexico who are allowed to get away with anything despite being at the top every year.
Quote from: meow meow on September 30, 2015, 02:53:57 PM
Looks as if this is the only way I'm going to be able to get another decent midfielder. Jake Stringer is on the table.
Quote from: Holz on September 30, 2015, 02:56:54 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 30, 2015, 02:53:57 PM
Looks as if this is the only way I'm going to be able to get another decent midfielder. Jake Stringer is on the table.
for a measuring stick. Whats a decent midifielder at dublin?
Quote from: meow meow on September 30, 2015, 03:02:58 PMQuote from: Holz on September 30, 2015, 02:56:54 PMQuote from: meow meow on September 30, 2015, 02:53:57 PM
Looks as if this is the only way I'm going to be able to get another decent midfielder. Jake Stringer is on the table.
for a measuring stick. Whats a decent midifielder at dublin?
Ranked 2nd in Total Clangers
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 30, 2015, 03:13:38 PM
Tom Lynch and Billings attracting very juicy offers, so people have fair warning as we nut out details ;).
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 30, 2015, 03:13:38 PM
Tom Lynch and Billings attracting very juicy offers, so people have fair warning as we nut out details ;).
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on September 30, 2015, 03:34:25 PMYou know he's worth at least 2 nuts :P.Quote from: Hellopplz on September 30, 2015, 03:13:38 PMI'll sell you my left nut for Billings
Tom Lynch and Billings attracting very juicy offers, so people have fair warning as we nut out details ;).
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 30, 2015, 03:40:39 PMQuote from: Bill Manspeaker on September 30, 2015, 03:34:25 PMYou know he's worth at least 2 nuts :P.Quote from: Hellopplz on September 30, 2015, 03:13:38 PMI'll sell you my left nut for Billings
Tom Lynch and Billings attracting very juicy offers, so people have fair warning as we nut out details ;).
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 30, 2015, 04:01:51 PM
And to be fair, if we do any of the current deals, we're actually going backwards for a Premiership :-X. We're crazy like that at the Reindeers ;).
Quote from: meow meow on September 30, 2015, 04:37:03 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 30, 2015, 04:01:51 PM
And to be fair, if we do any of the current deals, we're actually going backwards for a Premiership :-X. We're crazy like that at the Reindeers ;).
Most teams only care about their best XV but quality depth is important. I'd choose two 80 fwds at F4/F5 over a 90/65 split anyday. And with restings you could actually get 88 points out of that F4 position. Even without the bonus you have your choice of picking the one with the easier opponent or other factors (like Dickson is a gun at Etihad, Garlett MCG specialist)
I had Lester at U2 and absolutely no depth after the Rio/Christchurch draft. A few downgrades weakened my best XV but improved the team so much and allowed the team to remain consistent over the year and finish 3rd while other teams lost best XV players and suffered since they had not so great players as depth.
Sloane to Boak lost me 10 points - gained Scully who played plenty for me
Devon to Elliott lost me 10 points - gained Clay Smith which didn't work out well but he's still depth for the future
Roberton to Breust lost me 10 points - gained Connor Blakely who'll take overat Freo when Fyfe plays CHFMundy's role when he either retires or moves to a half back role
I've gone too far the other way with my list now, so teams with no depth, come my way and I'll take a good player off your hands and give you a decent starter and quality depth in return. It's worth it.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:39:12 AM
That moment when you realise you have Liberatore and Brad Crouch...
For zero cap points :P
Quote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 10:40:07 AM
is anyone interested in Josh Walker.
I like him, i rate him and he is an original Dubliner but have to move him because of the cap :(
key forwards take time to develop and he is only 22. Knocked up a solid 56 average.
rumours are a few clubs are looking at him with the front runner being Carlton, which you would think wuoud put him as one of the key targets there.
looking for a decent pick given how bad this draft is. I know he is better then probably any guy I can take outside the top 20 but I need it for cap reasons.
Quote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 11:05:08 AMThink you might break the PM per hour limit now you've put these guns on the table :PQuote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 10:40:07 AM
is anyone interested in Josh Walker.
I like him, i rate him and he is an original Dubliner but have to move him because of the cap :(
key forwards take time to develop and he is only 22. Knocked up a solid 56 average.
rumours are a few clubs are looking at him with the front runner being Carlton, which you would think wuoud put him as one of the key targets there.
looking for a decent pick given how bad this draft is. I know he is better then probably any guy I can take outside the top 20 but I need it for cap reasons.
Also hit me up for Neville Jetta.
only 25 years old got given a new lease on life at the dees in the small defender role.
57 unsubbed average,
its very likely that one of Jetta or Walker will go. Just weighing up the options. I like both but like walker more.
Quote from: Jayman on October 01, 2015, 11:09:14 AM
Think you might break the PM per hour limit now you've put these guns on the table :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
Updated spreadsheet:
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/512520/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
Still willing to hear suggestions for any add-ons to it :)
Quote from: meow meow on October 01, 2015, 12:18:18 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
Updated spreadsheet:
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/512520/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
Still willing to hear suggestions for any add-ons to it :)
Players ages would be good.
Also how many WXV games they played. If people see that the WXV reserves team of the year captain Aaron vandenBerg barely played for the senior team it might indicate that he is more attainable than otherwise thought. I'd like to see Cape Town's forwards.
Quote from: meow meow on October 01, 2015, 12:18:18 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
Updated spreadsheet:
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/512520/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
Still willing to hear suggestions for any add-ons to it :)
Players ages would be good.
Also how many WXV games they played. If people see that the WXV reserves team of the year captain Aaron vandenBerg barely played for the senior team it might indicate that he is more attainable than otherwise thought. I'd like to see Cape Town's forwards.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:39:12 AM
That moment when you realise you have Liberatore and Brad Crouch...
For zero cap points :P
Actually, I've had Crouch for 4 years now, two of which were entirely absent >:(
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:39:12 AM
That moment when you realise you have Liberatore and Brad Crouch...
For zero cap points :P
Actually, I've had Crouch for 4 years now, two of which were entirely absent >:(
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 01, 2015, 01:04:11 PMlol great minds think alikeQuote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:39:12 AM
That moment when you realise you have Liberatore and Brad Crouch...
For zero cap points :P
Actually, I've had Crouch for 4 years now, two of which were entirely absent >:(
Trade us Crouch to solve that dilemma...
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 01, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
pick 6 for Crouch
k thx bye
Quote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 02:28:35 PMPfft no. #2 + something small maybeQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 01, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
pick 6 for Crouch
k thx bye
Matt Crouch maybe.
1 + 2 for Brad.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2015, 02:32:14 PMQuote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 02:28:35 PMPfft no. #2 + something small maybeQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 01, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
pick 6 for Crouch
k thx bye
Matt Crouch maybe.
1 + 2 for Brad.
Quote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 02:37:40 PMSo is #2.Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2015, 02:32:14 PMQuote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 02:28:35 PMPfft no. #2 + something small maybeQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 01, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
pick 6 for Crouch
k thx bye
Matt Crouch maybe.
1 + 2 for Brad.
if that something small was maybe Jack Darling.
Crouch is a star.
Quote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 03:23:18 PM
just a question for New York and this is not intented to be having a go.
but your obviously pushing hard for a flag, thats fair enough.
do you have a ruckman?
Quote from: elephants on October 01, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
Crouch is a star at getting injured #dud
Quote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 03:57:21 PM#2 was last year spoken about as being better than Heeney :oQuote from: elephants on October 01, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
Crouch is a star at getting injured #dud
#2 has averaged 0 in his career. Been playing in this 2s his whole life. :P
Quote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 03:57:21 PMQuote from: elephants on October 01, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
Crouch is a star at getting injured #dud
#2 has averaged 0 in his career. Been playing in this 2s his whole life. :P
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2015, 03:58:07 PMQuote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 03:57:21 PM#2 was last year spoken about as being better than Heeney :oQuote from: elephants on October 01, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
Crouch is a star at getting injured #dud
#2 has averaged 0 in his career. Been playing in this 2s his whole life. :P
Quote from: meow meow on October 01, 2015, 04:08:23 PMLike JelwoodQuote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2015, 03:58:07 PMQuote from: Holz on October 01, 2015, 03:57:21 PM#2 was last year spoken about as being better than Heeney :oQuote from: elephants on October 01, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
Crouch is a star at getting injured #dud
#2 has averaged 0 in his career. Been playing in this 2s his whole life. :P
#2 sat out most of the year injured too ;)
Quote from: meow meow on October 01, 2015, 04:25:57 PM
Didymus Blanket should go at #2 just for the name alone but I'm keeping #91 ready for him.
Quote from: meow meow on October 01, 2015, 04:25:57 PM
Didymus Blanket should go at #2 just for the name alone but I'm keeping #91 ready for him.
Quote from: elephants on October 01, 2015, 04:28:50 PMQuote from: meow meow on October 01, 2015, 04:25:57 PM
Didymus Blanket should go at #2 just for the name alone but I'm keeping #91 ready for him.
Oh my days I thought you were taking the piss with that name but wowee
Quote from: meow meow on October 01, 2015, 11:04:31 PMI think this is what has irked me this whole time about Jamie Elliott haha.
the guy just does not smile and it's depressing so he has got to go.
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 01, 2015, 11:31:09 PMyeah sorry guys been a big week at work will catch up with you Dom more over the weekend to thrash some stuff out ;)
That's like half a smile :P.
And an update on Lynch, have had slow talks with Daz but shall get to some offers tonight that are out of contention :-X.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2015, 08:58:17 AMChatting to Ele and looking to finalise this soon with 2 offers about par of each other. if you want in, now is the time
3 coaches are now talking to us about our top picks 1 and 2. If your interested in one (or maybe 2) then now would be the time because they will only increase in value the closer we get to the draft!
Quote from: meow meow on October 02, 2015, 09:31:51 PMKeep 'em on the down low will ya, meow. :P
Or Riley Bonner, Jade Gresham and Mitchell Hibberd. The draft isn't that bad people!
Quote from: Ricochet on October 02, 2015, 10:22:50 PM
McKernan... Pick 92 last year, pick 12 this year
meow is a wizard
Quote from: meow meow on October 02, 2015, 10:02:26 PM
vandenBerg? The placement of the capital letter in your name is ridiculous. Be gone.
Quote from: meow meow on October 02, 2015, 10:54:04 PMMcKernan this year certainly wasn't the same McKernan from last yearQuote from: Ricochet on October 02, 2015, 10:22:50 PM
McKernan... Pick 92 last year, pick 12 this year
meow is a wizard
That one has got to get past the trade vote still :P
Quote from: Ricochet on October 02, 2015, 11:43:53 PMQuote from: meow meow on October 02, 2015, 10:54:04 PMMcKernan this year certainly wasn't the same McKernan from last yearQuote from: Ricochet on October 02, 2015, 10:22:50 PM
McKernan... Pick 92 last year, pick 12 this year
meow is a wizard
That one has got to get past the trade vote still :P
Quote from: meow meow on October 02, 2015, 10:54:04 PMQuote from: Ricochet on October 02, 2015, 10:22:50 PM
McKernan... Pick 92 last year, pick 12 this year
meow is a wizard
That one has got to get past the trade vote still :P
Quote from: meow meow on October 03, 2015, 08:17:45 PM
Mexico City getting Rocky for nothing is the best ever, tru?
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
Updated spreadsheet:
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/512520/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
Still willing to hear suggestions for any add-ons to it :)
Quote from: Levi434 on October 04, 2015, 02:38:18 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
Updated spreadsheet:
WXV Current Lists (http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/512520/WXV%20Current%20Lists.xlsx)
Still willing to hear suggestions for any add-ons to it :)
Not sure if it's just me but the link doesn't appear to be working for me?
Is it possible that instead of having the weeks listed as "BYE 1" or "BYE 2" could you please just inlcude all the weeks? So weeks 11, 12, 13?
Thanks. :)
Quote from: meow meow on October 04, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
Hey Purps, could you include 2014 averages and games played too if you've got them? Even 2012, 2013 would be good to see if you've got those too.
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2015, 10:34:18 PM
Why is there a multiplier for 2 starters. Starters are easy to find, superstars are rare. If anything you need a multiplier the other way.
Quote from: meow meow on October 05, 2015, 11:17:33 PMQuote from: Holz on October 05, 2015, 10:34:18 PM
Why is there a multiplier for 2 starters. Starters are easy to find, superstars are rare. If anything you need a multiplier the other way.
A package of Swan at pick 15, Sandi at pick 17, Bartel at pick 18, NRoo at pick 20 has a huge impact on the immediate fortunes of a WXV team and that has to be factored in doesn't it? The fact that Mackie was swapped for pick 10 means that the immediate impact on WXV teams attracts a premium, no way he's worth that in reality. Long term seems to be worth significantly less than short term in WXV.
If I traded Gibbs for Shaw and Picken would that go down well? I doubt it. Gibbs has 6 seasons left while Shaw and Picken have 3 each so in reality its 6 vs 6 and even. Maybe 1.5 is too high. 1.25 might be enough.
Quote from: meow meow on October 05, 2015, 09:13:49 PMok i'm going to be the dumb one here
There's a far easier way of voting on fairness of trades. It would be heaps easier to resolve failed trades too. Trades would still go to a vote, but instead of voting on indidual trades people vote on what every player is worth in terms of a draft pick. That's the only thing people would ever have to vote on.
Sandi and Gibbs for Rocky and Sicily last year.
Everyone votes on what Sandi is worth in terms of a pick, factoring in average, age, potential, job security. Take the average. There's your points value. Some say he's worth pick 15, other say he's a run down injury prone old man and say pick 20. Lets say the average for Sandi was pick 17.
Gibbs pick 1.
Rocky picks 1 and 2.
Sicily pick 45.
Sandi = 1025 points
Gibbs = 3000
Rocky = 3000 + 2517
Sicily = 347
4025 vs 5864
2 best XV starters vs 1 has to attract a premium, such as a 1.5 multiplier.
6037.5 vs 5864
As long as trades are within say 10-15% they pass. If not, one team has to add the extra points value.
Too complicated for people on here probably.
Quote from: DazBurg on October 05, 2015, 11:36:09 PM
ok i'm going to be the dumb one here
but how are the numbers thought up?
i get your going by picks but how do you give point value to them?
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2015, 11:23:43 PM
however in the mentioned trade isnt Sandi like 2 years left, Gibbs about 6 and Rocky about 6.
Quote from: meow meow on October 06, 2015, 01:11:20 AMQuote from: DazBurg on October 05, 2015, 11:36:09 PM
ok i'm going to be the dumb one here
but how are the numbers thought up?
i get your going by picks but how do you give point value to them?
Oh sorry, I didn't mention that we'd use the same point value as the new AFL academy/father-son points valuation. It makes sense.
(http://i.imgur.com/LvB2IPH.png)
As you can see folks, my picks 26 and 46 are worth pick 17 so if anyone wants them as part of a deal with one of my other players let me know because I have to trim my list a little.
Quote from: Holz on October 06, 2015, 01:58:23 AM
issue with this is picks have very different values in worlds.
I would have done 18 + 32 for pick 9 in a second.
Quote from: meow meow on October 06, 2015, 08:55:52 PM
You have 24 hours.
Quote from: meow meow on October 06, 2015, 01:45:34 AM
One big advantage is there will be a precedent set by earlier trades. If Barlow at 27 years old is worth picks 2 and 4 (wtf people) and Mackie at 29 is worth pick 10 (wtf again) then that will give a starting point when determining values. Got a 100 averaging fwd with 2-3 years left? Must be worth pick 15 is Dane Swan was.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 09, 2015, 11:30:28 AM
although surely Tippett and Vardy get DPP to relieve us
Quote from: Holz on October 09, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
In his last game he scored a respectable 90. With 36 hitouts which is 14 more then Nicholls Average and not only that more than in every single game Nicholls played this year (15)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 09, 2015, 04:09:52 PMWell they can next year. After that though unlikely
Smith, Blitz, Vardy, Stanley, Simpson, Clark
They can't all be rucks!
Quote from: elephants on October 09, 2015, 04:20:19 PMQuote from: Holz on October 09, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
In his last game he scored a respectable 90. With 36 hitouts which is 14 more then Nicholls Average and not only that more than in every single game Nicholls played this year (15)
Settle down with that sample size mate! :P
Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2015, 04:21:46 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 09, 2015, 04:09:52 PMWell they can next year. After that though unlikely
Smith, Blitz, Vardy, Stanley, Simpson, Clark
They can't all be rucks!
Looking into it... Vardy and possibly Clark probably won't be next year.
Quote from: Holz on October 09, 2015, 11:46:43 AM
Memph just a side thing are you worried that Blicavs one day will be a mid only. He really isnt a ruck just a really really big midfielder. Thats why his scoring has been soo good.
Obviously will be a ruck next year but 16 a game isnt huge.
he actually averages more touches then hit outs already which is moving towards a mid.
given Zach Smith is probably moving to geelong he may turn into a pure mid if they play Smith as the starting ruck.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 09, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
LOL keep pumping him up Holz :P
Quote from: Adamant on October 09, 2015, 10:29:55 PM
Brilliant work Purps, cheers.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 09, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
The reigning premier giving up too much in a trade to the wooden spooners. Are people on crack? Let it pass if it evens the comp
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 09, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
The reigning premier giving up too much in a trade to the wooden spooners. Are people on crack? Let it pass if it evens the comp
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 09, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
The reigning premier giving up too much in a trade to the wooden spooners. Are people on crack? Let it pass if it evens the comp
Quote from: Holz on October 10, 2015, 06:24:49 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on October 09, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
The reigning premier giving up too much in a trade to the wooden spooners. Are people on crack? Let it pass if it evens the comp
They did the right thing. If a trade is unfair it should get rejected. This top teams need to lose is rubbish.
Quote from: meow meow on October 10, 2015, 08:02:17 PMQuote from: Holz on October 10, 2015, 06:24:49 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on October 09, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
The reigning premier giving up too much in a trade to the wooden spooners. Are people on crack? Let it pass if it evens the comp
They did the right thing. If a trade is unfair it should get rejected. This top teams need to lose is rubbish.
NDT don't need handouts. They got what they needed with the priority pick and they've got two of the most capable coaches who have absolutely dominated this trade period.
Quote from: Holz on October 10, 2015, 09:56:36 PM#HereWeComeQuote from: meow meow on October 10, 2015, 08:02:17 PMQuote from: Holz on October 10, 2015, 06:24:49 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on October 09, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
The reigning premier giving up too much in a trade to the wooden spooners. Are people on crack? Let it pass if it evens the comp
They did the right thing. If a trade is unfair it should get rejected. This top teams need to lose is rubbish.
NDT don't need handouts. They got what they needed with the priority pick and they've got two of the most capable coaches who have absolutely dominated this trade period.
Fear the Tigers.
They are legit
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 11, 2015, 01:00:11 AMdis agree
Agree, the stopping top teams theory is bs and shouldn't be factored into trading
Look at NDT and even Ada already with Toronto, they're doing great jobs. Going very aggressive like we did last year
You'll never improve if you just sit around doing 1-2 trades all year
Quote from: DazBurg on October 11, 2015, 10:17:08 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 11, 2015, 01:00:11 AMdis agree
Agree, the stopping top teams theory is bs and shouldn't be factored into trading
Look at NDT and even Ada already with Toronto, they're doing great jobs. Going very aggressive like we did last year
You'll never improve if you just sit around doing 1-2 trades all year
in some cases you do not need to do 20 trades
PNL probably do the least amount of trades of most teams and event he ones we do are not classed as big name ones
i wouldn't say we are doing badly ;)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 11, 2015, 01:57:55 AM
whoever is voting against trades due to ladder position needs to be talked to i'm sure purps knows who it is
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 11, 2015, 10:30:50 AMOur list is fine in our opinion. It was just unluckily cruelled by injuries this season.
Instead of waiting for the top teams to one day crumble or suggest that we shouldn't trade with them etc, the lower teams should follow NDT, Toronto and 2014 NY's approach. Seeing teams like Seoul and Cairo for example only having done 1-3 trades
Quote from: Nige on October 11, 2015, 10:58:53 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 11, 2015, 10:30:50 AMOur list is fine in our opinion. It was just unluckily cruelled by injuries this season.
Instead of waiting for the top teams to one day crumble or suggest that we shouldn't trade with them etc, the lower teams should follow NDT, Toronto and 2014 NY's approach. Seeing teams like Seoul and Cairo for example only having done 1-3 trades
We identified the need to upgrade our F1 and D1 on both lines and did so turning Breust into Higgins and Smith into Roberton, both of which we believe will be smart long term decisions. We're confident we have players who will show natural improvement and get more opportunities (in the case of younger players) to help us get back into the 8.
We've also tried to ensure we don't have a repeat of last year and attempted to boost midfield numbers and not have to pay 3 OOP mids ever again. We've offered up defensive depth (because we have like 9 defenders who are best 22 and play every week, even though they're not world beaters which again helped big time in 2015) in return for a mid or two but nobody has taken the offer.
We're extremely confident in our trading and drafting strategy and really don't see the need to simply make mass changes to our list.
Quote from: DazBurg on October 11, 2015, 01:12:32 PMJezza Laidler or Nick Smith, Rory Thompson, Ben Stratton, Sam RoweQuote from: Nige on October 11, 2015, 10:58:53 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 11, 2015, 10:30:50 AMOur list is fine in our opinion. It was just unluckily cruelled by injuries this season.
Instead of waiting for the top teams to one day crumble or suggest that we shouldn't trade with them etc, the lower teams should follow NDT, Toronto and 2014 NY's approach. Seeing teams like Seoul and Cairo for example only having done 1-3 trades
We identified the need to upgrade our F1 and D1 on both lines and did so turning Breust into Higgins and Smith into Roberton, both of which we believe will be smart long term decisions. We're confident we have players who will show natural improvement and get more opportunities (in the case of younger players) to help us get back into the 8.
We've also tried to ensure we don't have a repeat of last year and attempted to boost midfield numbers and not have to pay 3 OOP mids ever again. We've offered up defensive depth (because we have like 9 defenders who are best 22 and play every week, even though they're not world beaters which again helped big time in 2015) in return for a mid or two but nobody has taken the offer.
We're extremely confident in our trading and drafting strategy and really don't see the need to simply make mass changes to our list.
just out of curosity (not that we need defenders)
but who were they? (save me looking back for it)
just good to know where most teams are at
like RD does he keeps it up yo date and we know who his looking to move
also @RD yeah fair point on the ones down the bottom everyone pays a premium for youth in this comp so excellent youth can be turned into a decent amount
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 11, 2015, 04:10:48 PM40 man
Hey I'm sure it's around somewhere but, I thought I might get an answer faster if I post here.
How many players do we need to have on our list at final list lodgement?
It's 5-6 rookies plus how many on the senior list?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 11, 2015, 04:14:43 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on October 11, 2015, 04:10:48 PM40 man
Hey I'm sure it's around somewhere but, I thought I might get an answer faster if I post here.
How many players do we need to have on our list at final list lodgement?
It's 5-6 rookies plus how many on the senior list?
Quote from: meow meow on October 11, 2015, 04:26:09 PM
Rookie list sizes will be decided when we know how many players are on AFL lists for season 2016.
Do we even need a rookie list? It serves no purpose.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 11, 2015, 04:28:56 PMQuote from: meow meow on October 11, 2015, 04:26:09 PM
Rookie list sizes will be decided when we know how many players are on AFL lists for season 2016.
Do we even need a rookie list? It serves no purpose.
We had N Brown on the rookie list this year and needed to elevate him so it served a purpose for us. I think it's more so just to mirror real afl too
I don't mind it, just throw your surplus late pick kids there lol
Quote from: Ringo on October 11, 2015, 07:56:54 PM
I may also add that Luke Shuey is on the London's immovable list. We did not trade him in to trade him out again.
Quote from: Nige on October 12, 2015, 11:25:11 AM
Shoutout to NDT who have made some really solid trades this period, the latest is no exception.
Quote from: Nige on October 12, 2015, 11:25:11 AMThanks Nige, not gonna lie it's been full on but we're getting there
Shoutout to NDT who have made some really solid trades this period, the latest is no exception.
Quote from: Nige on October 12, 2015, 11:25:11 AMProving why re-drafts are just ridiculous.
Shoutout to NDT who have made some really solid trades this period, the latest is no exception.
Quote from: Jayman on October 12, 2015, 11:57:17 AMI mean, the first one was okay because Wellington were decent and Sao Paulo was pretty OP but Toronto and Buenos Aires didn't have the quality for it to be worthwhile. This discussion has already been had though so I'll leave it there.Quote from: Nige on October 12, 2015, 11:25:11 AMProving why re-drafts are just ridiculous.
Shoutout to NDT who have made some really solid trades this period, the latest is no exception.
Quote from: Jayman on October 12, 2015, 11:57:17 AMQuote from: Nige on October 12, 2015, 11:25:11 AMProving why re-drafts are just ridiculous.
Shoutout to NDT who have made some really solid trades this period, the latest is no exception.
Quote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
I personally think they made a big mistake in the last trade. But I rate them enough as coaches that I could possibly be wrong on that call. that's huge for me.
Quote from: elephants on October 12, 2015, 01:14:48 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
I personally think they made a big mistake in the last trade. But I rate them enough as coaches that I could possibly be wrong on that call. that's huge for me.
Sure there's not an external factor pushing you to say this? ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 12, 2015, 01:22:53 PM
LMAO holz ;D
Quote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 01:19:58 PMQuote from: elephants on October 12, 2015, 01:14:48 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
I personally think they made a big mistake in the last trade. But I rate them enough as coaches that I could possibly be wrong on that call. that's huge for me.
Sure there's not an external factor pushing you to say this? ;)
how so?
im a NDT fan, its why i don't like this particular trade. Have been on fire on all the other ones though.
Worlds Trader of the year
2012 Dublin
2013 Dublin
2014 Dublin
2015 NDT
Quote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 01:19:58 PMQuote from: elephants on October 12, 2015, 01:14:48 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
I personally think they made a big mistake in the last trade. But I rate them enough as coaches that I could possibly be wrong on that call. that's huge for me.
Sure there's not an external factor pushing you to say this? ;)
how so?
im a NDT fan, its why i don't like this particular trade. Have been on fire on all the other ones though.
Worlds Trader of the year
2012 Dublin
2013 Dublin
2014 That team who got Blicavs for pretty much nothing :D
2015 NDT
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 12, 2015, 02:02:15 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 01:19:58 PMQuote from: elephants on October 12, 2015, 01:14:48 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
I personally think they made a big mistake in the last trade. But I rate them enough as coaches that I could possibly be wrong on that call. that's huge for me.
Sure there's not an external factor pushing you to say this? ;)
how so?
im a NDT fan, its why i don't like this particular trade. Have been on fire on all the other ones though.
Worlds Trader of the year
2012 Dublin
2013 Dublin
2014 That team who got Blicavs for pretty much nothing :D
2015 NDT
Fixed
Quote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 02:15:48 PMQuote from: Memphistopheles on October 12, 2015, 02:02:15 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 01:19:58 PMQuote from: elephants on October 12, 2015, 01:14:48 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 12:00:35 PM
I personally think they made a big mistake in the last trade. But I rate them enough as coaches that I could possibly be wrong on that call. that's huge for me.
Sure there's not an external factor pushing you to say this? ;)
how so?
im a NDT fan, its why i don't like this particular trade. Have been on fire on all the other ones though.
Worlds Trader of the year
2012 Dublin
2013 Dublin
2014 That team who got Blicavs for pretty much nothing :D
2015 NDT
Fixed
Trade 14
New York give: Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang
Cape Town give: Nathan Vardy and Jamie Bennell
you actually really did have a good trade period
still think i did pretty good (the basics of last year)
Dublin Trade: Tom Rockliff + Robbie Gray +Jack Watts + Charlie Dixon + Shuan Grigg
Dublin Get: Rory Sloane + Jack Gunston + Dustin Martin + Jarryd Roughead + Matthew Scharenberg + Scott Thompson
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 12, 2015, 02:29:47 PMJust goes to show everyone is moveable for the right price
I honestly can't believe he's moved clubs every year so far.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 12, 2015, 02:29:47 PM
You did well mate but, if you hadn't traded Rockliff you might have won the flag...
I honestly can't believe he's moved clubs every year so far.
PS - JROO trade him to us please now...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 12, 2015, 03:27:40 PM
Is the only way to get a player on your rookie list through the rookie draft?
So if we delist James Toohey (retired) and Johann Wagner (delisted) then we absolutely have to take two rookie picks? We can't put a nat or pre-season draftee straight on to our rookie list right?
Or demote someone without delisting them?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:37:52 PM
comparing trades is like comparing penis sizes lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 12, 2015, 03:44:40 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:37:52 PM
comparing trades is like comparing penis sizes lol
Was thinking the exact same thing.
Take it easy with the d*ck waiving lads ;)
As long as your team improves that's all that actually matters
Quote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 03:52:16 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 12, 2015, 03:44:40 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:37:52 PM
comparing trades is like comparing penis sizes lol
Was thinking the exact same thing.
Take it easy with the d*ck waiving lads ;)
As long as your team improves that's all that actually matters
what does that say about teams that dont trade?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:59:31 PMQuote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 03:52:16 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 12, 2015, 03:44:40 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:37:52 PM
comparing trades is like comparing penis sizes lol
Was thinking the exact same thing.
Take it easy with the d*ck waiving lads ;)
As long as your team improves that's all that actually matters
what does that say about teams that dont trade?
it's about comparing trades not about doing trades
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:37:52 PMYep, kb loses every time
comparing trades is like comparing penis sizes lol
Quote from: GoLions on October 12, 2015, 04:37:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:37:52 PMYep, kb loses every time
comparing trades is like comparing penis sizes lol
Quote from: Holz on October 12, 2015, 09:22:51 PM
Saints want a flag.
Pity Dublin primed.
Quote from: Holz on October 13, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
That moment when your interested in a player then see he is at Moscow.
ahh forget it.......
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 13, 2015, 10:43:05 AMQuote from: Holz on October 13, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
That moment when your interested in a player then see he is at Moscow.
ahh forget it.......
Doesn't help when Jukes is going for the record for least amount of trades too!
Quote from: Holz on October 13, 2015, 10:54:31 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 13, 2015, 10:43:05 AMQuote from: Holz on October 13, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
That moment when your interested in a player then see he is at Moscow.
ahh forget it.......
Doesn't help when Jukes is going for the record for least amount of trades too!
Holz: what do you want for Luke McDonald
Torp: probably like Grant Birchall + Joel Selwood
Holz: really?
Torp: actually maybe you add in a pick as a sweetener. First rounder?
Holz: you serious?
Torp: McDonald is a gun, your guys are old.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 13, 2015, 10:43:05 AMWhere as NDT are breaking the record for the most :PQuote from: Holz on October 13, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
That moment when your interested in a player then see he is at Moscow.
ahh forget it.......
Doesn't help when Jukes is going for the record for least amount of trades too!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 13, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
Got a few players in our team that I am curious about as to what position they will have in SC for 2016.
Just wanted to see if anyone could give their input as to what position they might have?
Taylor Adams - Mid or Mid/Fwd?
Mitch Duncan - Mid or Mid/Fwd?
Liam Picken - Mid or Mid/Def?
Matt Rosa - Mid or Mid/Def?
Nakia Cockatoo Mid or Mid/Fwd?
Nathan Vardy - Fwd or Fwd/Ruc?
Andrew Walker - Def or Fwd or Def/Fwd?
Mitch Clark - Fwd or Fwd/Ruc?
Also, James Harmes, Orazio Fantasia and Kayne Turner - just Mid only or DPP?
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 13, 2015, 10:58:19 AMHolz, cut the crap. I know you're probably joking but we've never had any convo like this so I'd appreciate you not spreading crap, especially when I haven't had a trade offer from you in about three weeks.Quote from: Holz on October 13, 2015, 10:54:31 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 13, 2015, 10:43:05 AMQuote from: Holz on October 13, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
That moment when your interested in a player then see he is at Moscow.
ahh forget it.......
Doesn't help when Jukes is going for the record for least amount of trades too!
Holz: what do you want for Luke McDonald
Torp: probably like Grant Birchall + Joel Selwood
Holz: really?
Torp: actually maybe you add in a pick as a sweetener. First rounder?
Holz: you serious?
Torp: McDonald is a gun, your guys are old.
I remember a couple of these conversations myself... they make you wanna deactivate your FF account :-X
Quote from: JROO8 on October 14, 2015, 05:48:14 PM
Yeah not sure about how it will affect Harley, Holz. Don't think it's gonna really change his scoring.
Plays more fwd = MID/FWD DPP :D
Plays full-time mid = should average 105+
Actually received a bit of interest in Bennell, so if you're keen send through an offer.
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen is another who has surprisingly received heaps of attention. If you're keen on him too I'd get an offer in soon.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 14, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
To all coaches out there, don't just contact one of us. contact BOTH Jukes and I.
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
he plays mid full time he should go 110+ or mid fwd 95+
you got him very very very very cheap*
*add a very
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
New York give: Harley Bennell, Paul Duffield and Mark Whiley
Mexico give: Jordan Lewis, Shaun Grigg and Scott D Thompson
Yeah, he got Duffield who retired and Whiley who isn't best 22 and we got 2.5-3 starters
That's very very very cheap for sure ::)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 06:49:15 PMCut the crap mate, we do trade. The point is no one has given us any serious offers. We aren't going to take your average players for our quality ones.Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 14, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
To all coaches out there, don't just contact one of us. contact BOTH Jukes and I.
Why bother? Not as if you guys trade :PQuote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
he plays mid full time he should go 110+ or mid fwd 95+
you got him very very very very cheap*
*add a very
New York give: Harley Bennell, Paul Duffield and Mark Whiley
Mexico give: Jordan Lewis, Shaun Grigg and Scott D Thompson
Yeah, he got Duffield who retired and Whiley who isn't best 22 and we got 2.5-3 starters
That's very very very cheap for sure ::)
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 07:04:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
New York give: Harley Bennell, Paul Duffield and Mark Whiley
Mexico give: Jordan Lewis, Shaun Grigg and Scott D Thompson
Yeah, he got Duffield who retired and Whiley who isn't best 22 and we got 2.5-3 starters
That's very very very cheap for sure ::)
thats one way of looking at it.
or a 23 year old premium , potential super premium so M3 potential M1- M2
for
29 year old above average utility or low end starter M4- U1
+
29 year old low end defender probably first backup in an average team so D5
+
27 year old uitility so U1-U2
so by my calcs a potential young super premo for 3 old guys who are either low end starters or bench players.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 14, 2015, 07:06:23 PM
Cut the crap mate, we do trade. The point is no one has given us any serious offers. We aren't going to take your average players for our quality ones.
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 07:04:02 PM
so by my calcs
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 07:35:18 PMQuote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 07:04:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
New York give: Harley Bennell, Paul Duffield and Mark Whiley
Mexico give: Jordan Lewis, Shaun Grigg and Scott D Thompson
Yeah, he got Duffield who retired and Whiley who isn't best 22 and we got 2.5-3 starters
That's very very very cheap for sure ::)
thats one way of looking at it.
or a 23 year old premium , potential super premium so M3 potential M1- M2
for
29 year old above average utility or low end starter M4- U1
+
29 year old low end defender probably first backup in an average team so D5
+
27 year old uitility so U1-U2
so by my calcs a potential young super premo for 3 old guys who are either low end starters or bench players.
And where in your calculations do you factor in the risk associated with Harley?
Doesn't help that you rate each player by Dublin standards too.Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 14, 2015, 07:06:23 PM
Cut the crap mate, we do trade. The point is no one has given us any serious offers. We aren't going to take your average players for our quality ones.
Somebody needs to relax and take a joke :P
Jukes mentioned setting a record
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 07:50:52 PMQuote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 07:04:02 PM
so by my calcs
Your calcs are wrong.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 08:09:47 PM
Lewis is U2 and thats not Dublin standards? Lol
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 08:12:11 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 08:09:47 PM
Lewis is U2 and thats not Dublin standards? Lol
That's SC/WXV average standards. Lewis isn't in the top 18 mids so he's not a M1. He's in the next group of 18 which puts him at M2. Not M4-U1 as Holz calcs.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 08:09:47 PM
Lewis is U2 and thats not Dublin standards? Lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 08:12:11 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 08:09:47 PM
Lewis is U2 and thats not Dublin standards? Lol
That's SC/WXV average standards. Lewis isn't in the top 18 mids so he's not a M1. He's in the next group of 18 which puts him at M2. Not M4-U1 as Holz calcs.
Of course he's not M1, but to suggest U2 is laughable. Would be M3-4 in most WXV teams
Stop trolling Holz. Mexico did not get a very very very very good deal
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 09:11:58 PM
How is Lewis a M4-U1 if he's the 33rd best mid (25th when you take Lids, Blic etc out) in an 18 team competition? If WXV teams were even he'd be at M2.
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 09:21:14 PM
Wow, another way to tell us how good Dublin are!
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 09:25:45 PM
its just like saying Hogan is a F4. we all know thats a joke you need to take age into account. players value is you the net present value of future scoring.
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 09:43:19 PMQuote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 09:25:45 PM
its just like saying Hogan is a F4. we all know thats a joke you need to take age into account. players value is you the net present value of future scoring.
Good. Don't complain if I trade 25 year old 101 averaging Hamish Hartlett (M2) for 31 year old 115 averaging GAJ since Gary is only worth a M2 because he's an old man. HH has 7+ years left, GAJ will limp to 3.
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 09:28:33 PM
Gunston to me is a F1 buddy roughy F2
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 09:53:11 PM
Your reasoning is so flawed it's quite incredible
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 09:46:31 PM
Fyfe Pendles Danger Ablett are C1s
Goldy isnt even a C1 yet. Selwood lost it this year
Quote from: Vinny on October 14, 2015, 10:11:32 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 09:53:11 PM
Your reasoning is so flawed it's quite incredible
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 10:07:37 PMQuote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 09:28:33 PM
Gunston to me is a F1 buddy roughy F2
So Gunston gets a better ranking than Roughy because of his age. But if I devalue GAJ because of his age it's blasphemy?
Roughead is a F1 premo in the WXV competition. Compare him to players in other teams to determine his value, not players in your own team. As much as you like to think Dublin is the only team in WXV you're not competing against yourself.
Quote from: Levi434 on October 14, 2015, 10:28:25 PM
GAJ averaged 134.4 without the sub game. Also remember the 2 games at the start of the year where he wasn't nearly ready to play.
I have actually heard some Rio fans discussing this M1, M2, C1 debate. I actually heard them create their own label for Ablett. They call him G1. Otherwise known as God 1.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 14, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
haha Holz shower stirring ability = C1
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 10:22:46 PM
its not worth arguing as we are using two different scales. I have Hogan as a F1.
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 10:34:53 PMQuote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 10:22:46 PM
its not worth arguing as we are using two different scales. I have Hogan as a F1.
No we don't. I just like arguing with you and your terminology is a little dodgy.
Stringer is a "F1" in terms of value. Stringer is not a F1 in terms of scoring output (yet).
I know Ablett is a class above but I also know that the long term future should hold almost as much value as the immediate future. When GAJ is retired and HH is still pumping out 100+ seasons that has got to count for plenty.
P.s. Mexico City got Bennell cheaply for that very reason.
Quote from: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
Expected at the end of last year:
110, 105
105, 105, 105, 100, 100, 95, 90
125, 125, 125, 120, 115, 110, 105, 105
I should get slaughtered in the Sandi & Gibbs vs Rocky trade. How on earth did it pass? It might be fair if Sandi had another 5 100+ seasons in addition to what was predicted above but based on valuations at this time last year it was a shocker. Hopefully Rocky continues to be shower.
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
Thompson + 5 +5 +5
Lewis +15 +10 +10 +10
Grigg +5 +5 +5 +5 +5
Bennell +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20
note this is very very rough but
NPV 90
NPV 160
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2015, 10:54:11 PMQuote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
Thompson + 5 +5 +5
Lewis +15 +10 +10 +10
Grigg +5 +5 +5 +5 +5
Bennell +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20
note this is very very rough but
NPV 90
NPV 160
And do you plan on factoring in the other 2 players that we would need to field if we kept Bennell and didn't pick up 2 extra starters?
Whether they are not starters for you or in your mind is irrelevant. We aren't Dublin, so guys like SDT and Grigg start for us
Lewis to average 100-105 for 4-5 years
SDT to average 75 for 3-4 years
Grigg to average 85-90 for 4-6 years
Bennell to average 105-110 for 8 years, and 2 depth players having to be fielded not to mention Bennell's issues, and the fact that Duffield and Whiley are more or less useless right now
If Bennell for Lewis, Grigg and SDT is a bad trade for us, then I must be living in a bizarro world
Quote from: Holz on October 14, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
So if all these guys had the same amount of years left then its fair.
Thompson + 5 +5 +5
Lewis +15 +10 +10 +10
Grigg +5 +5 +5 +5 +5
Bennell +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20
note this is very very rough but
NPV 90
NPV 160
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 15, 2015, 09:07:50 PM
Looks like Stefan is temporarily back on the market! :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 01, 2015, 01:40:51 AM
Pick 12 for McKernan?
Wow :o :o
Quote from: Adamant on October 16, 2015, 12:54:20 AM
Changed your tune a bit there Memph. :PQuote from: Memphistopheles on October 01, 2015, 01:40:51 AM
Pick 12 for McKernan?
Wow :o :o
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
McKernan ... showed glimpses this year but was still slaughtered week in, week out
Quote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
There is an issue with time delay.
When mckernan was the number 1 ruck he was worth more then 12 (12 not that goid)
The fact he went 90+ last year is irrelevant
The issue is now they have burger he isnt worrh it.
The trade needs to be evaluated at when the deal was done. To people agree or disagree?
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 11:18:21 AM
The trade failed again, no biggie. Some teams have already put in offers for Stefan Martin and if you want him go for it.Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
McKernan ... showed glimpses this year but was still slaughtered week in, week out
^ That's the only thing that has bothered me because it is simply not true. McKernan played half a season and finished 10th in Essendon's best and fairest and he's not as bad as people make him out to be. He slaughtered the more highly rated Zac Smith and Brodie Grundy and was probably BOG in those games. Goldy taught him a lesson but he wasn't bad every week.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 16, 2015, 11:21:37 AMQuote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
There is an issue with time delay.
When mckernan was the number 1 ruck he was worth more then 12 (12 not that goid)
The fact he went 90+ last year is irrelevant
The issue is now they have burger he isnt worrh it.
The trade needs to be evaluated at when the deal was done. To people agree or disagree?
It happens all the time, and we all have done it before - inflating a players value due to a small "hot streak" in form. And then the fact that he is ruck just exaggerates his value around here even more
Quote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 11:47:58 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 16, 2015, 11:21:37 AMQuote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
There is an issue with time delay.
When mckernan was the number 1 ruck he was worth more then 12 (12 not that goid)
The fact he went 90+ last year is irrelevant
The issue is now they have burger he isnt worrh it.
The trade needs to be evaluated at when the deal was done. To people agree or disagree?
It happens all the time, and we all have done it before - inflating a players value due to a small "hot streak" in form. And then the fact that he is ruck just exaggerates his value around here even more
this wasnt my point.
we need to decide if we rate the trade at the time it was first done or as of today.
It should be the date the trade was done. At that time Mckernan was the number 1 ruck.
Pick 12 is not that good in this draft. DVR its still worth a second rounder.
now the burger is there its fair enough to veto it, but i think we need to vote as if he wasnt. If people did that then its ok.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 16, 2015, 11:54:17 AMQuote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 11:47:58 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 16, 2015, 11:21:37 AMQuote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 10:04:02 AM
There is an issue with time delay.
When mckernan was the number 1 ruck he was worth more then 12 (12 not that goid)
The fact he went 90+ last year is irrelevant
The issue is now they have burger he isnt worrh it.
The trade needs to be evaluated at when the deal was done. To people agree or disagree?
It happens all the time, and we all have done it before - inflating a players value due to a small "hot streak" in form. And then the fact that he is ruck just exaggerates his value around here even more
this wasnt my point.
we need to decide if we rate the trade at the time it was first done or as of today.
It should be the date the trade was done. At that time Mckernan was the number 1 ruck.
Pick 12 is not that good in this draft. DVR its still worth a second rounder.
now the burger is there its fair enough to veto it, but i think we need to vote as if he wasnt. If people did that then its ok.
The time it was first done or as of today? It's like a couple of days difference lol, but it doesn't matter anyway because we voted after the news/strong rumour was that Luey was heading to Essendon
As for Pick 12 not being good in this draft, that is simply your opinion. I'm sure a lot of people rate Pick 12 higher than what you seem to.
At the end of the day, the trade has been rejected and more needs to be added by Meow as per Purps decision. I do agree though that 3 coach negs probably shouldn't have Admin come in and over-rule.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 15, 2015, 12:59:17 AMFair to say we're leaning towards keeping Howe now
annnnnnyway...
Have had a fair bit of interest in these boys over the last few days
BroomheadHowe
Conca
If your keen pm me
QuoteCOLLINGWOOD wants to turn Jeremy Howe into the next Isaac Smith.
The Magpies want to transform Howe into a hard-running, up-and-back wingman who can hit the scoreboard, much like Hawthorn’s Smith. Howe has also been told he would spend time forward, where he will study tapes of another Hawk, Jack Gunston.
Quote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
the initial trade was done a while ago. which was Mckernan for 12. After it was done then news came out that berger was bacially going to essendon.
they shouldnt be punished for the trade review process taking time.
the point is bigger then this trade.
Quote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
the initial trade was done a while ago. which was Mckernan for 12. After it was done then news came out that berger was bacially going to essendon.
they shouldnt be punished for the trade review process taking time.
the point is bigger then this trade.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2015, 11:43:46 AMQuote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 11:18:21 AM
The trade failed again, no biggie. Some teams have already put in offers for Stefan Martin and if you want him go for it.Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
McKernan ... showed glimpses this year but was still slaughtered week in, week out
^ That's the only thing that has bothered me because it is simply not true. McKernan played half a season and finished 10th in Essendon's best and fairest and he's not as bad as people make him out to be. He slaughtered the more highly rated Zac Smith and Brodie Grundy and was probably BOG in those games. Goldy taught him a lesson but he wasn't bad every week.
Was that the game with the McKernan (C) gate in the Champions League? :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2015, 01:08:28 PMQuote from: Holz on October 16, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
the initial trade was done a while ago. which was Mckernan for 12. After it was done then news came out that berger was bacially going to essendon.
they shouldnt be punished for the trade review process taking time.
the point is bigger then this trade.
Ugh, was just gonna let it go like I normally do, but just want to point out that no, I distanced Leuenberger in my decision. I didn't punish the trade because it took time.
Also, 3 negs according the rule puts it in the category of "Passes, unless Admin decides to let it fail". Ossie implemented those rules, and has rejected a trade before with 3, 4 and 5 votes attracted. Don't see why that changes now.
Please give me the benefit of the doubt in the future.
Let's move on.
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
On a related note, Cape Town are getting good offers for Stefan Martin and I don't know what I can add instead of 12 so it's likely that I'll miss out on him now. That leaves me stuck with pick 2 (if that trade passes), which I had no intention of keeping. Anyone want it? Would like a forward to replace Elliott or a U2 to replace Stefan since in that spot I'm left with... Sean Dempster :S
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2015, 05:46:21 PM
Amazing thread/work from Adamant btw!
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2015, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
On a related note, Cape Town are getting good offers for Stefan Martin and I don't know what I can add instead of 12 so it's likely that I'll miss out on him now. That leaves me stuck with pick 2 (if that trade passes), which I had no intention of keeping. Anyone want it? Would like a forward to replace Elliott or a U2 to replace Stefan since in that spot I'm left with... Sean Dempster :S
I thought you guys organised and posted the trade?
I would have thought that that deal would still be in place, as long as you renegotiated to get Pick 12.
Seeing as its apparently not, you could argue similar reasoning to take down your Pick 2 trade...
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 06:59:56 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2015, 05:45:18 PMQuote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
On a related note, Cape Town are getting good offers for Stefan Martin and I don't know what I can add instead of 12 so it's likely that I'll miss out on him now. That leaves me stuck with pick 2 (if that trade passes), which I had no intention of keeping. Anyone want it? Would like a forward to replace Elliott or a U2 to replace Stefan since in that spot I'm left with... Sean Dempster :S
I thought you guys organised and posted the trade?
I would have thought that that deal would still be in place, as long as you renegotiated to get Pick 12.
Seeing as its apparently not, you could argue similar reasoning to take down your Pick 2 trade...
I don't think I can get pick 12 anymore so the other trade involving me sending pick 12 to Cape Town is void.
The trade involving pick 2 was seperate and it's just bad luck if I am left with it. It's an independant trade and I wasn't forced into doing it before I had confirmation that the McKernan for 12 trade passed, so I wouldn't expect to be able to, or think it would be fair on NDT to try to cancel it on those grounds. It's not a big deal, nothing worth complaining about.
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 01:36:18 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2015, 11:43:46 AMQuote from: meow meow on October 16, 2015, 11:18:21 AM
The trade failed again, no biggie. Some teams have already put in offers for Stefan Martin and if you want him go for it.Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
McKernan ... showed glimpses this year but was still slaughtered week in, week out
^ That's the only thing that has bothered me because it is simply not true. McKernan played half a season and finished 10th in Essendon's best and fairest and he's not as bad as people make him out to be. He slaughtered the more highly rated Zac Smith and Brodie Grundy and was probably BOG in those games. Goldy taught him a lesson but he wasn't bad every week.
Was that the game with the McKernan (C) gate in the Champions League? :P
Sure was. McKernan is heaps better than Smith and I knew he'd crush him. It wasn't a fluke. McKernan had been good all year. He averaged 20 hit outs, 20 disposals, kicked 17.12 and averaged 110 DT in the VFL (9/12 tonnes). An average of 83.7 in the AFL makes him my best forward! Not sure why you don't rate him as being worth a speculative pick once all the top end talent has been taken. But oh well!
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Zac Smith won the hitouts 31 to 26 in that game and the clearances were tied. I don't think McKernan slaughtered him by any means.
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He only beat Grundy by 6 hitouts and Grundy was subbed out. Cannot really say that was a big win. We lost the overall hitouts 36-32 but won the clearances 46-31 - good for a 3 point win...
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 08:37:31 AM
Nice work pumping up SJ yesterday Holz after realising he will only play one year. Lol
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 20, 2015, 10:36:24 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 08:37:31 AM
Nice work pumping up SJ yesterday Holz after realising he will only play one year. Lol
This, lol. He is a wizard.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 11:58:17 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 20, 2015, 10:36:24 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 08:37:31 AM
Nice work pumping up SJ yesterday Holz after realising he will only play one year. Lol
This, lol. He is a wizard.
So obvious it was coming
Holz Sales 1.0 - Pump a player up here then trade them lol.
Somehow, someone always bites
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:12:31 PM
I love how when I sold Watson people were like ohh he will retire and never play again. He just went for pick 2, given thougths when i traded him that surely must be robbery. I dont think it is as I have faith in Watson.
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:15:22 PM
on a scary note. I have only 7 listed mids and the 7th is Cian Hanley. I will draft one to make it 8 at least though
please no mid injuries this year. I had enough last year.
Quote from: meow meow on October 20, 2015, 01:21:04 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:12:31 PM
I love how when I sold Watson people were like ohh he will retire and never play again. He just went for pick 2, given thougths when i traded him that surely must be robbery. I dont think it is as I have faith in Watson.
Watson is worth as much as Swan was last year. Injury prone 31 year old coming off a bad season but has some upside. Swan went for 15. Levi also gave up pick 12 so it wasn't just Watson for pick 2.
12 + 15 for 2, 26 and 46 is fair every day of the week.
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Just quietly if both trades go through (no reason they shouldnt)
then Rio is looking very scary next year.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 01:59:21 PMIt isn't.Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Just quietly if both trades go through (no reason they shouldnt)
then Rio is looking very scary next year.
ROFL are you serious? How dumb do you think people are around here? ;D
Yeah they'll look dangerous with SJ and Thommo, and then lose them both in 12 months time for retirement while you have Pick 5
How is Pick 5 for a bunch of pensioners fair?
Quote from: Jayman on October 20, 2015, 02:23:56 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 01:59:21 PMIt isn't.Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Just quietly if both trades go through (no reason they shouldnt)
then Rio is looking very scary next year.
ROFL are you serious? How dumb do you think people are around here? ;D
Yeah they'll look dangerous with SJ and Thommo, and then lose them both in 12 months time for retirement while you have Pick 5
How is Pick 5 for a bunch of pensioners fair?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 01:59:21 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Just quietly if both trades go through (no reason they shouldnt)
then Rio is looking very scary next year.
ROFL are you serious? How dumb do you think people are around here? ;D
Yeah they'll look dangerous with SJ and Thommo, and then lose them both in 12 months time for retirement while you have Pick 5
How is Pick 5 for a bunch of pensioners fair?
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 02:58:08 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 01:59:21 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Just quietly if both trades go through (no reason they shouldnt)
then Rio is looking very scary next year.
ROFL are you serious? How dumb do you think people are around here? ;D
Yeah they'll look dangerous with SJ and Thommo, and then lose them both in 12 months time for retirement while you have Pick 5
How is Pick 5 for a bunch of pensioners fair?
when you traded him to me he was a guy who could play 2 more years and be a really good forward. now he is a pensioner?
if thats the case you ripped me off with Libba.
not a fan of the double standard.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 03:11:11 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 02:58:08 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 01:59:21 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Just quietly if both trades go through (no reason they shouldnt)
then Rio is looking very scary next year.
ROFL are you serious? How dumb do you think people are around here? ;D
Yeah they'll look dangerous with SJ and Thommo, and then lose them both in 12 months time for retirement while you have Pick 5
How is Pick 5 for a bunch of pensioners fair?
when you traded him to me he was a guy who could play 2 more years and be a really good forward. now he is a pensioner?
if thats the case you ripped me off with Libba.
not a fan of the double standard.
Seriously? Yes at that stage he "could" play 2 years but now we know its most likely 1
And you gave us an older guy in Mundy, and young Libba for young TMac so our trade was more than fair and balanced
We didn't try to fleece a Top 5 pick off you for old farts
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 20, 2015, 03:27:46 PM;D
Hahahahaha you will try to spin anything won't you
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 20, 2015, 03:27:46 PM
Hahahahaha you will try to spin anything won't you
Quote from: Levi434 on October 20, 2015, 03:53:24 PM
Lets break BOTH the trades down from a Rio point of view:
Rio trade: J. Watson + N5 + N12 + N43
Rio get: S. Thompson + S. Johnson + N. van Berlo + N2 + N26 + N32 + N46
Watson = Thompson + N26 + N32 (or Thompson + picks could potentially be worth slightly more than Jobe)
N5 + N12 = N2 + Johnson (SJ worth about pick 15-20 by himself, so 12 for him is overs but makes up for the upgrade I am getting with 5 down to 2, effectively locking in the main draft player I want in the process)
van Berlo + N46 > N43 (NVB is a reasonable depth mid and will strengthen that area for me, and he could even gain M/F DPP too as he got it in Fantasy)
So overall I have improved my forward line big time with SJ + potentially NVB, locked in player x with N2 and have increased my depth.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 04:23:08 PM
Holz, I've been an advocate for you always, and always said you shouldn't have to lose trades for them to pass BUT you know that you're getting away with high way robbery here
Would you now give me Pick 5 for Gibson and Waite? Because I'd have them on par for Thompson and SJ
You wouldn't, and you can spin it any way you like, the reality is you're giving up 2 guys who have 12 months left and getting a Top 5 pick who could have a 10+ year career
One of Thommo or SJ PLUS someone like Scharenberg would be fair for Pick 5
@ Levi - I don't think you are valuing this trade long term
In 12 months time it actually looks like:
Rio trade: J. Watson + N5 + N12 + N43
Rio get: N. van Berlo + N2 + N26 + N32 + N46
32 and 46 are useless in this draft, and I dare say 26 wont net you much either
This trade might plug some gaps for you now, but I just cant see how Pick 5 for what you got is fair. If SJ and Thommo were 30 years old like Mundy then fine, but they literally have 12 months left, and based on a few other coaches previously quoting me I'm not the only one who thinks this
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
I don't really think your reference of our Treloar for JJK/Duff deal has any merit. At the time, Duff was best 22 and a premium defender
The same can be said about when we traded 8 and Atley for SJ. He had one down year after years of absolute prem so warranted the price tag. Atley is and always will be a SC spud. It was SJ for 8
43 for 32, NVB etc it's all rubbish and meaningless and I can give no value to the short term because Rio is not going to win the premiership window now so getting 12 months out of Thommo and Sj does nothing for them
FWIW I'd have Gibson, a Top 10 defender ahead of Thommo. SJ slightly ahead of Waite balances them out, so shoot me Pick 5 thanks
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PM
it was obvious duff was gone. I said it at the time and a number of people agreed. SJ now is worth more than Duff was last year.
So its 100% relevant.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 05:21:40 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PM
it was obvious duff was gone. I said it at the time and a number of people agreed. SJ now is worth more than Duff was last year.
So its 100% relevant.
He played 22 games and averaged 88.4
Kudos to you for seeing he was done after that ::)
Whether you need defenders or not - saying it's all about structures etc it means absolutely nothing in this discussion, and the fact that all of your point driving and reasoning is based around YOUR team and not considering Rio says it all
You wouldn't give up SJ for any of those guys but you will for Pick 5 who is an unknown? Just stop
You can pick certain stats to help drive your points, but you cannot get me to change my mind that Pick 5 is too much for SJ and Thommo, so lets move on
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 20, 2015, 05:59:07 PM
Yes you spoke about Rio and how they get more points next year, but they then lose them plus pick 5 the year after.
Dont get me wrong, I know Levi agreed to this trade too. It's not all on you, and well done for getting him to agree, but I'm not
Those players will help Rio next year, I'm not arguing that and I haven't. I've continually said they are not worth pick 5 which you've danced around but have not justified enough for me
It's a shame pick 12 has gone to meow, because change 5 for 12 and keep it all the same and it's fair, but then you wouldn't probably do that because you wouldn't win enough based on your lack of worth of Pick 12.
This isn't a Dublin thing. I'm never passing that trade regardless of the teams involved
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 20, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
Rio have Ablett, their premiership window is now!
The trade is fine!
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 06:56:53 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on October 20, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
Rio have Ablett, their premiership window is now!
The trade is fine!
Levi will get coach of the year when they rocket up the ladder.the team is a shot at top 4 if the trades are allowed to be passed.
Especially if he moves on pick 2 for a quality starter
Quote from: DazBurg on October 20, 2015, 06:59:03 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 06:56:53 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on October 20, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
Rio have Ablett, their premiership window is now!
The trade is fine!
Levi will get coach of the year when they rocket up the ladder.the team is a shot at top 4 if the trades are allowed to be passed.
Especially if he moves on pick 2 for a quality starter
who drops from the top 4?
don't say PNL holz keep the faith ;)
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 07:08:25 PMdon't think yeo keeps Def statusQuote from: DazBurg on October 20, 2015, 06:59:03 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 06:56:53 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on October 20, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
Rio have Ablett, their premiership window is now!
The trade is fine!
Levi will get coach of the year when they rocket up the ladder.the team is a shot at top 4 if the trades are allowed to be passed.
Especially if he moves on pick 2 for a quality starter
who drops from the top 4?
don't say PNL holz keep the faith ;)
please i said top 3 for a reason.
Dublin Mexcio PNL (in no particlaur order)
Berlin Saints Rio to fight it out to make the 4.
K Kolodjashnij, E Yeo, A Mackie, R Tarrant (R Harwood, B Maynard) - granted this line does need some work
G Ablett, T Boak, S Thompson, P Cripps - strong line 3 guys all who should go 100-105 and one premo pumping out 260 a week
S Jacobs - one of the elite rucks of the comp
M Robinson, S Johnson, L Taylor, J.Bruce (M Wright, T.Garner) - probably needs some work on this line too
B Vince, D Zaharakis - could use some work.
however given they have pick 2 if they could use it to get a solid forward or back would look alot more deadly. Im scared of any team with ablett.
the midfield alone could go 600 points easy so only 900 needed from the other 11 players to post a big score.
Quote from: DazBurg on October 20, 2015, 07:13:30 PM
don't think yeo keeps Def status
Quote from: Levi434 on October 20, 2015, 09:05:11 PMQuote from: DazBurg on October 20, 2015, 07:13:30 PM
don't think yeo keeps Def status
Are people just saying this to get me to trade him?
I don't think he'll be a pure mid as he hasn't played nearly enough time in the mids behind Priddis, Gaff, Sheuy, Masten even guys like Selwood and Sheed played more mid than him.
Even if he does lose defender, then he'll gain forward as he kicked 21 goals this year. I'd probably prefer him to be fwd than back anyway :P
Quote from: Ricochet on October 21, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Fair bit of movement by NDT boys in the AFL in last few days!
Howe to Pies
Bugg to Melb
Kerridge to Carlton
Sumner to Carlton
All premos in 2016 ;)
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:04:01 PMQuote from: Ricochet on October 21, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Fair bit of movement by NDT boys in the AFL in last few days!
Howe to Pies
Bugg to Melb
Kerridge to Carlton
Sumner to Carlton
All premos in 2016 ;)
Fitzpatrick to Hawthorn ;)
Ah why not.
Means he is on the trade table for anyone brave :P highest pick wins... I'll start the bidding at a first round rookie draft pick (coz I'm keeping 3 rookies), in exchange for my first round rookie draft pick & Fitzpatrick. You have until Sunday night.
Quote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 06:06:33 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:04:01 PMQuote from: Ricochet on October 21, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
Fair bit of movement by NDT boys in the AFL in last few days!
Howe to Pies
Bugg to Melb
Kerridge to Carlton
Sumner to Carlton
All premos in 2016 ;)
Fitzpatrick to Hawthorn ;)
Ah why not.
Means he is on the trade table for anyone brave :P highest pick wins... I'll start the bidding at a first round rookie draft pick (coz I'm keeping 3 rookies), in exchange for my first round rookie draft pick & Fitzpatrick. You have until Sunday night.
sounds like a good deal to me
Dublin first round rookie (not Rio's) pick for yours + fitzpatrick.
would be funny if it was the highest bid.
Quote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
Quote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
*coach raises paddle*
Quote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 09:37:49 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
*coach raises paddle*
Pick 56 for Fitz
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 21, 2015, 09:44:45 PM
Eh you can have him if you want him that bad
Quote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:48:13 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be
depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.
Quote from: Toga on October 21, 2015, 10:11:21 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:48:13 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be
depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.
Said it before and I'll say it again, think you're being a bit premature on calling these guys out Holz. Not sure how you can say they've got no potential to become premiums in the future. They've had two years in the league for Christ's sake!
Quote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:48:13 PMYou're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be
depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.
Quote from: Toga on October 21, 2015, 10:33:35 PM
Write them off at your peril.
Quote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 10:31:17 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:48:13 PMYou're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be
depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.
Do you even know who Josh Kelly is? Have you watched him play at all?
Quote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 10:39:07 PMWouldn't be surprised if he went 90+ next year as a M/F.Quote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 10:31:17 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:48:13 PMYou're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be
depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.
Do you even know who Josh Kelly is? Have you watched him play at all?
of course i know who josh kelly is. He will go 90+ but that isnt as good as a 90+ forward. If he goes 105+ then he is as good.
Kelly actually has the game to do it, probably was harsh to lump him in with those guys.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 11:22:24 PM
Daniher as a dpp ruck forward will be good too. I'm with Chumps - would take 6 of them over SJ in a heartbeat
We all know your ego Holz so you'll never admit that you're wrong and that you're rorting Rio, so just leave it to the vote :)
Quote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 10:39:07 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 10:31:17 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:48:13 PMYou're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PMQuote from: Holz on October 21, 2015, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2015, 08:51:26 PMQuote from: Holz on October 20, 2015, 05:10:35 PMI'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.
2 Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4 Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8 London - Troy Menzel
9 London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly
I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.
not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.
Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be
depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.
Do you even know who Josh Kelly is? Have you watched him play at all?
of course i know who josh kelly is. He will go 90+ but that isnt as good as a 90+ forward. If he goes 105+ then he is as good.
Kelly actually has the game to do it, probably was harsh to lump him in with those guys.
Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 12:06:03 AM
Out of curiosity RD/Chumps/others, which 6? I'd take Kelly, and I'd consider Lonergan/Aish/Lmac. Prefer SJ over the rest though.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 22, 2015, 12:47:32 AMI wouldn't take a key fwd unless they were already basically premos tbh. So that rules out Boyd and Daniher for me. Lonergan only because he should have def status now (otherwise would definitely take SJ over him too), and he showed he could score pretty well at times this year.Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 12:06:03 AM
Out of curiosity RD/Chumps/others, which 6? I'd take Kelly, and I'd consider Lonergan/Aish/Lmac. Prefer SJ over the rest though.
Joe Daniher surely?
I may be biased but i'd rate him as highly as Jesse Hogan long term.
Menzel in the right environment (now at Adelaide), Aish as an outside mid in a decent Collingwood midfield, Kelly is a gun (just needs more game time)
Boyd with more time long term has more upside than SJ
Marginal with Toumpas at a new club but probably no.
I wouldn't have Lonergan or McDonald over SJ at their current clubs in current roles.
Quote from: Holz on October 22, 2015, 10:18:17 AM
looking at the top 10 SC scorers is pretty interesting.
Goldy #37
Fyfe #20
Danger #10
Pendles #5
Ablett #40
Hannebary #30
Beams #29
Priddis #R31
Mundy #19
Shaw #48
Quote from: meow meow on October 22, 2015, 06:17:09 PMQuote from: Holz on October 22, 2015, 10:18:17 AM
looking at the top 10 SC scorers is pretty interesting.
Goldy #37
Fyfe #20
Danger #10
Pendles #5
Ablett #40
Hannebary #30
Beams #29
Priddis #R31
Mundy #19
Shaw #48
Doesn't including a former #1 pick who actually finished in the top 10 suit whatever point you're trying to prove? There's nothing quite likebending the truthblatantly lying to back up your point.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 22, 2015, 08:01:20 PM
Todd Goldstein 128.81
Nat Fyfe 124.28
Patrick Dangerfield 119.81
Scott Pendlebury 116.23
Gary jnr Ablett 115.50
Dan Hannebery 114.50
David Mundy 113.52
Dayne Beams 113.44
Matt Priddis 113.27
Brett Deledio 112.82
Quote from: Nige on October 22, 2015, 08:28:03 PM
Did we get the results of the last bunch of trades? Not sure whether I missed the post or the results (or an update) haven't been posted yet. :)
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 22, 2015, 08:30:12 PMCool, just checking. There's been a fair bit of discussion in this thread since Monday and I thought it might have been lost in all of it.Quote from: Nige on October 22, 2015, 08:28:03 PM
Did we get the results of the last bunch of trades? Not sure whether I missed the post or the results (or an update) haven't been posted yet. :)
Newp. Still need Buenos Aires, Cape Town, Rio and Tokyo :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 22, 2015, 09:16:18 PMnah we voted already ;)
Waiting on the usual suspects :P
Quote from: DazBurg on October 22, 2015, 09:26:47 PMand I even voted on Monday ;)Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 22, 2015, 09:16:18 PMnah we voted already ;)
Waiting on the usual suspects :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 09:37:49 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
*coach raises paddle*
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 23, 2015, 10:22:16 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 09:37:49 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
*coach raises paddle*
Pick 54 for Fitz.
THE DRAMA!
Quote from: Holz on October 23, 2015, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 23, 2015, 10:22:16 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 09:37:49 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
*coach raises paddle*
Pick 54 for Fitz.
THE DRAMA!
im confused why they wanted him.
they have Ceglar and Mcevoy.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 23, 2015, 10:38:47 AMQuote from: Holz on October 23, 2015, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 23, 2015, 10:22:16 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 09:37:49 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 21, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
*coach raises paddle*
Pick 54 for Fitz.
THE DRAMA!
im confused why they wanted him.
they have Ceglar and Mcevoy.
Then one or both of them goes down... IT WILL BE SUPER FITZ THAT ANSWERS THE CALL!!
FYI, he didn't play full time ruck once at AFL or VFL level last year, he was actually a handy defender. Came second in Casey's B&F. I'd almost have him a better chance at replacing Lake than Hale.
I reckon D/R status for da Fitz.
Quote from: GoLions on October 23, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
Shane Mumford might be available
jks
Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 11:45:20 AMYou and me both. :P
I simply can not fathom how 57 is going to destroy the integrity of WXV and consequently deserves to be blocked.
Quote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 12:39:27 PMNek minnut Ahern averages 90 next year. Joking, I don't really rate him.Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 11:45:20 AMYou and me both. :P
I simply can not fathom how 57 is going to destroy the integrity of WXV and consequently deserves to be blocked.
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 24, 2015, 03:08:43 PMQuote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 12:39:27 PMNek minnut Ahern averages 90 next year. Joking, I don't really rate him.Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 11:45:20 AMYou and me both. :P
I simply can not fathom how 57 is going to destroy the integrity of WXV and consequently deserves to be blocked.
Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 03:40:42 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on October 24, 2015, 03:08:43 PMQuote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 12:39:27 PMNek minnut Ahern averages 90 next year. Joking, I don't really rate him.Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 11:45:20 AMYou and me both. :P
I simply can not fathom how 57 is going to destroy the integrity of WXV and consequently deserves to be blocked.
Pick 13 for Ahern is fine, no problem there at all. Dawson + 33 for 21 is right on. I'm perplexed as to how anyone could block this. I thought we were only meant to block things that are majorly unjust and will have a negative impact on the competition.
Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 03:40:42 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on October 24, 2015, 03:08:43 PMQuote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 12:39:27 PMNek minnut Ahern averages 90 next year. Joking, I don't really rate him.Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 11:45:20 AMYou and me both. :P
I simply can not fathom how 57 is going to destroy the integrity of WXV and consequently deserves to be blocked.
Pick 13 for Ahern is fine, no problem there at all. Dawson + 33 for 21 is right on. I'm perplexed as to how anyone could block this. I thought we were only meant to block things that are majorly unjust and will have a negative impact on the competition.
Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 04:04:28 PM>:( don't get me started.
saying adams wasnt worth 5 last year was completely unfair.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 03:45:17 PM
New Delhi - 22406
Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:25:31 PMDon't get me wrong, the work Rico and ele have done this offseason has been phenomenal but I'm interested to know who falls out of the 8 for NDT to get in? The list has dramatically improved, but to go last to top 8 would be crazy.
If the new trade goes through NDT are a top 8 side.
Quote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 04:29:12 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:25:31 PMDon't get me wrong, the work Rico and ele have done this offseason has been phenomenal but I'm interested to know who falls out of the 8 for NDT to get in? The list has dramatically improved, but to go last to top 8 would be crazy.
If the new trade goes through NDT are a top 8 side.
I'm fully behind it though, love an underdog story so I'll happily eat my words. 8)
Quote from: JROO8 on October 24, 2015, 04:32:43 PMI almost agree in a weird way. I feel like a 110 ruckman should be worth mountains, but honestly this was by far the best offer we've got (outside of the #2 + #12).
Wow NDT have absolutely killed it this trade period. Reckon they got a bargain there
Quote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 04:29:12 PMThey now have a legitimate captaincy option, a killer forward line and a midfield with a tonne of potential improvement. Backline's a bit shaky but they've sured it up with a few acquisitions like the Wellingham bargain.Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:25:31 PMDon't get me wrong, the work Rico and ele have done this offseason has been phenomenal but I'm interested to know who falls out of the 8 for NDT to get in? The list has dramatically improved, but to go last to top 8 would be crazy.
If the new trade goes through NDT are a top 8 side.
I'm fully behind it though, love an underdog story so I'll happily eat my words. 8)
Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:36:17 PMQuote from: JROO8 on October 24, 2015, 04:32:43 PMI almost agree in a weird way. I feel like a 110 ruckman should be worth mountains, but honestly this was by far the best offer we've got (outside of the #2 + #12).
Wow NDT have absolutely killed it this trade period. Reckon they got a bargain there
Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 04:38:02 PMYeah, I thought New York would have thrown the kitchen sink at him but ah well.Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:36:17 PMQuote from: JROO8 on October 24, 2015, 04:32:43 PMI almost agree in a weird way. I feel like a 110 ruckman should be worth mountains, but honestly this was by far the best offer we've got (outside of the #2 + #12).
Wow NDT have absolutely killed it this trade period. Reckon they got a bargain there
I have no idea why nobody else put up a big offer. I have Goldy and I still would have put in a huge offer (if i didnt put myself out of the running when I knew NDT wanted him)
Quote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 04:44:01 PMWithout blinking an eyelid
Interesting to know that Mills would have been taken with #1.
Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:39:13 PMEnd of the day maybe NDT deal just scared people off.Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 04:38:02 PMYeah, I thought New York would have thrown the kitchen sink at him but ah well.Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:36:17 PMQuote from: JROO8 on October 24, 2015, 04:32:43 PMI almost agree in a weird way. I feel like a 110 ruckman should be worth mountains, but honestly this was by far the best offer we've got (outside of the #2 + #12).
Wow NDT have absolutely killed it this trade period. Reckon they got a bargain there
I have no idea why nobody else put up a big offer. I have Goldy and I still would have put in a huge offer (if i didnt put myself out of the running when I knew NDT wanted him)
Quote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 04:29:12 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:25:31 PMDon't get me wrong, the work Rico and ele have done this offseason has been phenomenal but I'm interested to know who falls out of the 8 for NDT to get in? The list has dramatically improved, but to go last to top 8 would be crazy.
If the new trade goes through NDT are a top 8 side.
I'm fully behind it though, love an underdog story so I'll happily eat my words. 8)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 24, 2015, 04:47:45 PMNow tell me something new.Quote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 04:29:12 PMQuote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 04:25:31 PMDon't get me wrong, the work Rico and ele have done this offseason has been phenomenal but I'm interested to know who falls out of the 8 for NDT to get in? The list has dramatically improved, but to go last to top 8 would be crazy.
If the new trade goes through NDT are a top 8 side.
I'm fully behind it though, love an underdog story so I'll happily eat my words. 8)
Cairo for spoon though :P
Quote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM(http://i.imgur.com/CzH2Wfx.jpg)
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
Quote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 05:52:01 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
10k on you not to make the top 4.
should be paying $8+
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 24, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
What odds can you give me for NDT to not make the top 4? :P
Quote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:54:30 PMQuote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 05:52:01 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
10k on you not to make the top 4.
should be paying $8+Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 24, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
What odds can you give me for NDT to not make the top 4? :P
So you guys dislike money then? :p
Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 06:00:09 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:54:30 PMQuote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 05:52:01 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
10k on you not to make the top 4.
should be paying $8+Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 24, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
What odds can you give me for NDT to not make the top 4? :P
So you guys dislike money then? :p
out of interest if NDT is $1.08 for top 4. What is Dublin?
Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 04:47:18 PMNot to mention Lachie Hunter who averaged 102 after shedding the sub vest late last season. Sexcellent ball user, gets so many handball receives as the Dogs try to get him the footy.
JPK Prestia Mills Scooter Tyson Acres Lang
loads of potential there.
Quote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 06:05:38 PMQuote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 06:00:09 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:54:30 PMQuote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 05:52:01 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
10k on you not to make the top 4.
should be paying $8+Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 24, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
What odds can you give me for NDT to not make the top 4? :P
So you guys dislike money then? :p
out of interest if NDT is $1.08 for top 4. What is Dublin?
$50, tipping a major drop-off due to discontent in the team sparked by arrogant coaching comments made in the media ;)
Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 06:07:42 PMtypo or on purpose?Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 04:47:18 PMNot to mention Lachie Hunter who averaged 102 after shedding the sub vest late last season. Sexcellent ball user, gets so many handball receives as the Dogs try to get him the footy.
JPK Prestia Mills Scooter Tyson Acres Lang
loads of potential there.
I'm excited. Hopefully we're still vying for top 8 next year as well.
Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 06:09:17 PMlets go with deliberately ambiguous?Quote from: My Chumps on October 24, 2015, 06:07:42 PMtypo or on purpose?Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 04:47:18 PMNot to mention Lachie Hunter who averaged 102 after shedding the sub vest late last season. Sexcellent ball user, gets so many handball receives as the Dogs try to get him the footy.
JPK Prestia Mills Scooter Tyson Acres Lang
loads of potential there.
I'm excited. Hopefully we're still vying for top 8 next year as well.
Quote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 06:08:46 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 06:05:38 PMQuote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 06:00:09 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:54:30 PMQuote from: Holz on October 24, 2015, 05:52:01 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
10k on you not to make the top 4.
should be paying $8+Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 24, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
What odds can you give me for NDT to not make the top 4? :P
So you guys dislike money then? :p
out of interest if NDT is $1.08 for top 4. What is Dublin?
$50, tipping a major drop-off due to discontent in the team sparked by arrogant coaching comments made in the media ;)
my players love me.
Some have even stayed for a few years now, which is huge for Dublin.
Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 06:34:36 PMMarley Williams, Luke McPharlin, Matt Priddis, Dylan Shiel, Nathan Jones, Mitch Hallahan, Farren Ray, Brad McKenzie, Matthew Lobbe, Cyril Rioli and Tom Lynch.
I wonder how many players taken in the original WXV draft have stayed at one club. I'm guessing not many!
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 24, 2015, 06:40:37 PMQuote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 06:34:36 PMMarley Williams, Luke McPharlin, Matt Priddis, Dylan Shiel, Nathan Jones, Mitch Hallahan, Farren Ray, Brad McKenzie, Matthew Lobbe, Cyril Rioli and Tom Lynch.
I wonder how many players taken in the original WXV draft have stayed at one club. I'm guessing not many!
From initial look of PNL. Fair to say not too bad!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 24, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
Called it early, NDT have been great and should push top 8 now. Sorry, but I reckon NDT in and Berlin out :O
Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 08:06:11 PMIf they can get Rocky I'll give them SMartin
If they can get Rocky I'll give them Gibbs + Sandi for him.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 08:09:45 PMIf they can get Rocky I'll give then Stef Martin, Stephen Coniglio and Nige.Quote from: meow meow on October 24, 2015, 08:06:11 PMIf they can get Rocky I'll give them SMartin
If they can get Rocky I'll give them Gibbs + Sandi for him.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 24, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
Called it early, NDT have been great and should push top 8 now. Sorry, but I reckon NDT in and Berlin out :O
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 24, 2015, 08:17:38 PMI love that pick.... I'll be back in 5minQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 24, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
Called it early, NDT have been great and should push top 8 now. Sorry, but I reckon NDT in and Berlin out :O
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2yyzfhd.jpg)
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 08:19:00 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 24, 2015, 08:17:38 PMI love that pick.... I'll be back in 5minQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 24, 2015, 06:41:35 PM
Called it early, NDT have been great and should push top 8 now. Sorry, but I reckon NDT in and Berlin out :O
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2yyzfhd.jpg)
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 08:19:00 PM
I love that pick.... I'll be back in 5min
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 04:18:02 PM
:oQuote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2015, 03:45:17 PM
New Delhi - 22406
(http://i.minus.com/iBc8kGRV7tXz0.gif)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 24, 2015, 09:18:05 PM
Holz, I think Rio is still a year or so away because their mids is great but best 15 needs a bit more talent.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 08:45:56 PM
pic*
and Purps when he comes back to WA I may actually be in trouble
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 24, 2015, 09:18:05 PMYep no one is getting their hands on Rocky
Oh, and I tried getting Rocky believe me! He is untouchable!
Quote from: Nige on October 24, 2015, 04:44:01 PM
Interesting to know that Mills would have been taken with #1.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 25, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
surprised New York gave away Fantasia so cheaply
Clark for Belly is just about a straight swap to me
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 25, 2015, 09:33:53 PM^^Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 25, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
surprised New York gave away Fantasia so cheaply
Clark for Belly is just about a straight swap to me
Rucks are rated at a premium price.
Quote from: DazBurg on October 25, 2015, 09:35:03 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on October 25, 2015, 09:33:53 PM^^Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 25, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
surprised New York gave away Fantasia so cheaply
Clark for Belly is just about a straight swap to me
Rucks are rated at a premium price.
plus think clark has the added risk of his mental side
actually surprised he did re-retire tbh
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 25, 2015, 09:39:46 PMQuote from: DazBurg on October 25, 2015, 09:35:03 PMQuote from: AaronKirk on October 25, 2015, 09:33:53 PM^^Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 25, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
surprised New York gave away Fantasia so cheaply
Clark for Belly is just about a straight swap to me
Rucks are rated at a premium price.
plus think clark has the added risk of his mental side
actually surprised he did re-retire tbh
yeah but Belly never plays due to being always injured so it evens that out
Quote from: Ricochet on October 25, 2015, 10:24:42 PM
and I thought we were on track for some kind of a record...
This time last year New York had made 18 trades compared to our 12 :o
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 25, 2015, 10:35:09 PM
yeah i guess i just really rate Fantasia
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:37:05 AMNige + a second rounder if you want your trade passed
Getting some serious offers for Tex
Every chance he may be traded by tonight
If you're interested, get your offers in quick
Quote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 12:15:55 PMI'm pretty sure I'm worth more than that. My Twitter game is on point.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:37:05 AMNige + a second rounder if you want your trade passed
Getting some serious offers for Tex
Every chance he may be traded by tonight
If you're interested, get your offers in quick
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 09:00:02 PMKnow that some are worth flower all but may also take pick upgrades (big or small) on our current picks N24, N59, N76
Any of the guys below are available for picks
DEF: LDelaney, DTalia, SiWhite, SRussell
MID: WHams
RUCK: LPierce
FWD: JGrant, Tunbridge, RBail, BJohnson
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 26, 2015, 06:28:02 PMCringe Purps, I thought you were better than that. :P
11 votes in...
*spoiler alert*
WE BUILT NEG CITY!
WE BUILT NEG CITY ON CONTRO-VERSSSSSSSE-TIAL- TRADEEEEEEEEESSSS!
Having said that, none have been definitely rejected yet.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:08:48 PM
Holz deleted his post?
We only negged one trade (Which is no secret) so I'm curious as to what other trades people negged ???
Quote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 12:15:55 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:37:05 AMNige + a second rounder if you want your trade passed
Getting some serious offers for Tex
Every chance he may be traded by tonight
If you're interested, get your offers in quick
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
:o
Quote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
It's funny because you think I'm joking
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:19:47 PMQuote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
It's funny because you think I'm joking
Considering you've never made a serious post in WXV, I'd say you are ;)
Quote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:19:18 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on August 01, 2015, 05:17:04 PM2 boxes, keep the cheeseQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:16:20 PMI'll give you 2 bowls of coco pops and a slice of cheese.Quote from: Jukes on August 01, 2015, 05:04:15 PMNo diceQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 05:03:07 PMI'll give a 4th and milo cereal if that's okQuote from: Jayman on August 01, 2015, 05:02:12 PM4th rounder rookie pick plus a box of coco pops and we have a dealQuote from: GoLions on August 01, 2015, 04:54:25 PMWould you do a 5th rounder and a box of nutri-grain?
Current Cairo Co-Coach (all about the alliteration guys) Nige is available for the right offer. Will need to be a 3rd rounder at the very least though.
Quote from: GoLions on August 03, 2015, 11:25:16 PM
#SackRD
Quote from: GoLions on August 28, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
If I got Pendles I'd give him to Mexico in exchange for Rocky
Quote from: GoLions on September 10, 2015, 07:24:24 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 10, 2015, 07:19:38 AMGive us a kit kat
Wow, quite a lot for me to catch up on
I swear, reading the past few pages some people really need to get off their high horses, parading around like you're absolute geniuses and superior minded to the rest of us in the world of trading.
All this crap about us trading our young guns to the top teams, how we should be starving them of youth to see their demise and how we trade in old or average players. Seriously, what a load of crap
As AK mentioned earlier, we inherited a team that couldn't get 15 on the park most weeks, and we wanted to overhaul the team and be in a position to make finals, and what do you know? We made finals this year.
We didn't get a redraft to 'make it our own' so we did that instead
Some of you talk like we're idiots, and honestly it can get quite offensive which is why the tone in this message is like this, because I don't appreciate people trashing our approach. For how wise some of you are its baffling that you're not capable to understand that people have different views and approaches, and that your way is not the only right way
So we're trading Libba and Bennell, yeah they're young guns but they've both had their off field issues. Besides Montagna and possibly Gibson none of our relevant players will be retiring in the next 3 years and with have plenty of great youth.
Give us a break
Quote from: GoLions on September 10, 2015, 11:32:41 AM
Everyone here should eat a snickers
Quote from: GoLions on September 14, 2015, 10:24:12 PM
Out of curiosity, if 6 coaches say a trade favours Team A, 6 coaches say a trade favours Team B, and 4 coaches say the trade is even, does it pass? Dunno if this has been brought up yet but on my phone so ceebs searching.
I would've thought it would though fwiw.
Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 07:47:57 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on September 14, 2015, 10:42:41 PMBut that makes it almost impossible to pass it then. If one team adds more to the deal, then the people who thought that team was already losing will still neg, and the ones who thought it was originally fair will likely neg as well. And vice versa.Quote from: Purple 77 on September 14, 2015, 09:57:38 PMI wonder who they are :-X.
Just one more coach to go...
And nah it won't Davey, regardless of which side it'll be counted as 12 votes against the trade.
It should all be about balance I think. If some coaches think a trade favours team a and some think it favours team b, then trust that the coaches know what they're doing imo.
Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Almost as disrespectful as trading Jed for a 2nd rounder if you ask me
Quote from: GoLions on September 16, 2015, 08:15:04 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 16, 2015, 04:48:51 PMNegging cause grammar bad
We passed your trade for Tex, but I don't think you can compare it to this trade. A first round draft pick and a proven gun kid in KK plus Lamb is much more better than Mav Weller and Sam Gray.Quote from: AaronKirk on September 16, 2015, 06:10:23 PMinb4 holz
And on top of that we cop more shower about our the trade. We cop more shower than any other team.
Quote from: GoLions on September 17, 2015, 06:37:58 PM
NY no chance for top 4. RD/AK, I'll bet you 2.5 Nigeys (won from Rocky being goat, pay up Jay you flower ;) ), that Cairo not only beats you H2H this year, but finishes above you on the ladder as well.
#NoLibbaNoNY
Quote from: GoLions on September 23, 2015, 08:20:20 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on September 23, 2015, 07:50:56 PMCould you find all the players who weren't subbed, or how often players weren't subbedQuote from: kilbluff1985 on September 23, 2015, 06:27:33 PM
wow that current list download is amazingly helpful
Ah good! Was what I was going for :D
Also, if anyone wanted anything else added to it, I'd gladly oblige (unless you want me to find all the subs, then get flowered :P)
Quote from: GoLions on September 28, 2015, 01:48:30 PM
Yeah that Picken for Joey one was a bit iffy
Quote from: GoLions on September 28, 2015, 02:25:13 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2015, 02:21:22 PMIf that's Lynch from the Suns, PNL would be paying way overs imo
Berlin give: Nat Fyfe
PNL give: Tom Lynch
Sounds about right ;D
Quote from: GoLions on September 28, 2015, 02:47:21 PMQuote from: JROO8 on September 28, 2015, 02:43:56 PMYou also had a goat though, which overrides the demonic behaviourQuote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2015, 02:41:02 PMI didn't have a Melbourne player on my list this season. Won the Premiership. Coincidence? I think not
Just sayin, if all my trades go through, I would have traded out Grimes, Watts & Jamar, with Cross retired, Fitzpatrick delisted, and me looking at trading two other demons...
My demons cost me the semi-final, and they almost lost me the elimination final... NEVER AGAIN will I rely on them!
Quote from: GoLions on October 11, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Also RD, we're not gonna accept flowering shower offers just for the sake of trading (e.g. old players with 1 year left in return for our youth).
You don't need to do 200 trades a season to improve either.
Quote from: GoLions on October 12, 2015, 04:37:36 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 12, 2015, 03:37:52 PMYep, kb loses every time
comparing trades is like comparing penis sizes lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 13, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
Got a few players in our team that I am curious about as to what position they will have in SC for 2016.
Just wanted to see if anyone could give their input as to what position they might have?
Taylor Adams - Mid or Mid/Fwd?
Mitch Duncan - Mid or Mid/Fwd?
Liam Picken - Mid or Mid/Def?
Matt Rosa - Mid or Mid/Def?
Nakia Cockatoo Mid or Mid/Fwd?
Nathan Vardy - Fwd or Fwd/Ruc?
Andrew Walker - Def or Fwd or Def/Fwd?
Mitch Clark - Fwd or Fwd/Ruc?
Also, James Harmes, Orazio Fantasia and Kayne Turner - just Mid only or DPP?
Quote from: GoLions on October 13, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
All mid only I reckon
Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 07:20:33 AMQuote from: AaronKirk on October 22, 2015, 12:47:32 AMI wouldn't take a key fwd unless they were already basically premos tbh. So that rules out Boyd and Daniher for me. Lonergan only because he should have def status now (otherwise would definitely take SJ over him too), and he showed he could score pretty well at times this year.Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 12:06:03 AM
Out of curiosity RD/Chumps/others, which 6? I'd take Kelly, and I'd consider Lonergan/Aish/Lmac. Prefer SJ over the rest though.
Joe Daniher surely?
I may be biased but i'd rate him as highly as Jesse Hogan long term.
Menzel in the right environment (now at Adelaide), Aish as an outside mid in a decent Collingwood midfield, Kelly is a gun (just needs more game time)
Boyd with more time long term has more upside than SJ
Marginal with Toumpas at a new club but probably no.
I wouldn't have Lonergan or McDonald over SJ at their current clubs in current roles.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 23, 2015, 03:14:38 PM
Alright, one more hoorah
We need a ruck
If we can afford to pay overs (as in it will not kill our starting XV) then we will
If you have a ruck, please hit me up and tell me what you want from us in return for your ruck
No point saying "X" might be available. I need to know what you want from us for that player
We have plenty of forwards, so can package a few up for a mid too
Quote from: GoLions on October 23, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
Shane Mumford might be available
jks
Quote from: GoLions on October 24, 2015, 05:33:57 PMQuote from: elephants on October 24, 2015, 05:31:04 PM(http://i.imgur.com/CzH2Wfx.jpg)
Yep, gotta say Rico has been incredible this trade period. He's done all the heavy-lifting, bringing to me at least 2 offers a day I reckon and all I have to do is say yes or no! Bloke is a machine!
And for those who are calling us a top-8 side... Just spoken to my mates at sportsbet and they've installed us at $1.08 to make top 4 ;) Take from that what you will :P
Quote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kdz2nKC.jpg)
Quote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 09:09:41 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:08:48 PM
Holz deleted his post?
We only negged one trade (Which is no secret) so I'm curious as to what other trades people negged ???Quote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 12:15:55 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:37:05 AMNige + a second rounder if you want your trade passed
Getting some serious offers for Tex
Every chance he may be traded by tonight
If you're interested, get your offers in quick
You brought this on yourself RD
Quote from: GoLions on October 26, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
It's funny because you think I'm joking
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:43:19 PMYes.
Wow... 4 solid posts - It's the people that make WXV :P
Was that worth the 20 minutes it took you? :P
Quote from: Ricochet on October 26, 2015, 09:50:12 PMGold ;D
Hahahahaha GL
Quote from: JROO8 on October 26, 2015, 10:32:37 PMNo, because you can't spell Karen right.
Cario, can I trade you Rocky for GL? Need to improve my banter game :P
Quote from: T Dog on October 26, 2015, 09:14:40 PMI would not! :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2015, 09:11:06 PM
:o
Almost a nomination in 2015 Trevor Marmalade Thread but Nige would hate it ;D
Quote from: JROO8 on October 26, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Cario, can I trade you Rocky for GL? Need to improve my banter game :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 26, 2015, 11:58:24 PMQuote from: JROO8 on October 26, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Cario, can I trade you Rocky for GL? Need to improve my banter game :P
will get negged
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 08:49:23 AMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 26, 2015, 11:58:24 PMQuote from: JROO8 on October 26, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Cario, can I trade you Rocky for GL? Need to improve my banter game :P
will get negged
Yep, Mexico needs to add more
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 27, 2015, 09:24:12 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 08:49:23 AMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 26, 2015, 11:58:24 PMQuote from: JROO8 on October 26, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Cario, can I trade you Rocky for GL? Need to improve my banter game :P
will get negged
Yep, Mexico needs to add more
not what i was thinking but sure
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 09:37:01 AMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 27, 2015, 09:24:12 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 08:49:23 AMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 26, 2015, 11:58:24 PMQuote from: JROO8 on October 26, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Cario, can I trade you Rocky for GL? Need to improve my banter game :P
will get negged
Yep, Mexico needs to add more
not what i was thinking but sure
Good to see your sarcasm radar is razor sharp :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 27, 2015, 10:07:38 AM
Two coaches to go;
These trades will definitely pass (as they have 0 votes, and won't reach the magic 3 for me to analyse them)
Seoul trade: Jake Lloyd
New Delhi: David Myers
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 10:22:58 AMHow many times do I have to remind you...
Agree Holz. I did think about that trade and reckon Lloyd is better than Myers, but at the end of the day I just cant see how it could be negged
Surprised our Belcho for Clark trade is getting votes - really?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
Agree Holz. I did think about that trade and reckon Lloyd is better than Myers, but at the end of the day I just cant see how it could be negged
Surprised our Belcho for Clark trade is getting votes - really?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
We've said it previously. We should only be negging the trades that are clearly one sided and unfair to one of the teams or even comp
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2015, 10:53:18 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
We've said it previously. We should only be negging the trades that are clearly one sided and unfair to one of the teams or even comp
what does that even mean though.
i see double standards every where.
Mexico is trading in Stanton a old but very solid player. They just won the flag and have been top 3, 4 years in a row. last year I got called out for bad for the comp for this type of deal so surely this one has to fail. but then its unfair to london who want to rebuild. So do we vote for whats best for the comp, whats best for rebuilding teams or whether its a fair deal or not.
Going by how my votes are treated then its a easy neg vote.
Im trading out old guns in my trade this so surely that has to pass as thats good for the comp?
precedence have been set.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 11:15:38 AM
You're trade is the other way around, because you're giving 2 oldies to a team that wont win the flag
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 11:15:38 AMQuote from: Holz on October 27, 2015, 10:53:18 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
We've said it previously. We should only be negging the trades that are clearly one sided and unfair to one of the teams or even comp
what does that even mean though.
i see double standards every where.
Mexico is trading in Stanton a old but very solid player. They just won the flag and have been top 3, 4 years in a row. last year I got called out for bad for the comp for this type of deal so surely this one has to fail. but then its unfair to london who want to rebuild. So do we vote for whats best for the comp, whats best for rebuilding teams or whether its a fair deal or not.
Going by how my votes are treated then its a easy neg vote.
Im trading out old guns in my trade this so surely that has to pass as thats good for the comp?
precedence have been set.
The way I see it, yes Mexico is bringing in Stanton but they have had to give up Sam Gray and Pick 19, their first rounder
Mexico will be cactus in a few years time. Look at the list - it's all old, but JROO is obviously deciding to ride the rush now and fight out a few more years up top before eventually bottoming out
London cant win a flag now, so getting Gray and 19 makes perfect sense to them - they're building and should be right up there just when Mexico starts declining
You're trade is the other way around, because you're giving 2 oldies to a team that wont win the flag and getting Pick 5. The trade is great for you because it allows you to get a gun and keep on top (which is totally fine and the aim of the game) but the value of your guys is not high IMO as they will retire soon, hence Pick 5 is worth much more IMO
Quote from: meow meow on October 27, 2015, 11:28:58 AMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 11:15:38 AM
You're trade is the other way around, because you're giving 2 oldies to a team that wont win the flag
Rio would be a contender with Thommo + SJ. Their best XV would average about 150 which puts them in the top 4. From there anything can happen. You don't have to have the best team to win. Like when I whooped Dublin in the Champions League final (even without Sam Mitchell).
Quote from: Ricochet on October 27, 2015, 11:39:33 AM
Stanton trade and Pick 5 trade are exactly the same in terms of value
One is giving up 1 oldie with a 1 year contract for a late first rounder
The other is giving up 2 oldies with a 1 year contract for an earlier first rounder (plus a pick upgrade later, plus an old depth spud)
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2015, 11:32:32 AM
how come Rio arent allowed to trade in older premos but you were last year with Duffield and SJ. Both SJ and Thommo could play two more years.
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2015, 11:32:32 AM
Is the difference with people thinking Mexico is gun but old and Dublin is gun bot not as old? remember they have been gifted Rocky + Bennell
Quote from: Ricochet on October 27, 2015, 11:39:33 AM
Stanton trade and Pick 5 trade are exactly the same in terms of value
One is giving up 1 oldie with a 1 year contract for a late first rounder
The other is giving up 2 oldies with a 1 year contract for an earlier first rounder (plus a pick upgrade later, plus an old depth spud)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 11:49:54 AM
How is that the same? Stanton having a one year contract doesn't mean much to me. He is only 29 and one of their best players still. If they don't resign him each year, another club will. Thommo and SJ are much older. If Stanton is worth 19 with a few years left in his career, then SJ and Thommo are not worth 5 IMO
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2015, 12:15:22 PMExactly you have to look at whole trade so comparing Stanton with pick 19 and the trade for pick 5 is like comparing apples and oranges. Also how many people when looking at trades go and look at both coaches reasons if having doubts. I know i do if they are there as there have been occasions when I have come to thread that details are not there so left with no option but to neg. Reason for this comment is how many read that part of the reason in the Stanton trade was cap pressure which is why I was prepared to pay overs to get my cap right down and that should be part of the consideration as well.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 11:49:54 AM
How is that the same? Stanton having a one year contract doesn't mean much to me. He is only 29 and one of their best players still. If they don't resign him each year, another club will. Thommo and SJ are much older. If Stanton is worth 19 with a few years left in his career, then SJ and Thommo are not worth 5 IMO
its not Stanton for 19 its Stanton + Bagualey for Gray + 19.
I reckon Mexico underpaid by the way.
Quote from: Ringo on October 27, 2015, 12:30:11 PMQuote from: Holz on October 27, 2015, 12:15:22 PMExactly you have to look at whole trade so comparing Stanton with pick 19 and the trade for pick 5 is like comparing apples and oranges. Also how many people when looking at trades go and look at both coaches reasons if having doubts. I know i do if they are there as there have been occasions when I have come to thread that details are not there so left with no option but to neg. Reason for this comment is how many read that part of the reason in the Stanton trade was cap pressure which is why I was prepared to pay overs to get my cap right down and that should be part of the consideration as well.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 27, 2015, 11:49:54 AM
How is that the same? Stanton having a one year contract doesn't mean much to me. He is only 29 and one of their best players still. If they don't resign him each year, another club will. Thommo and SJ are much older. If Stanton is worth 19 with a few years left in his career, then SJ and Thommo are not worth 5 IMO
its not Stanton for 19 its Stanton + Bagualey for Gray + 19.
I reckon Mexico underpaid by the way.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
Any of the guys below are available for picks
DEF: LDelaney, DTalia, SiWhite, SRussell
MID: WHams
RUCK: LPierce
FWD: JGrant, Tunbridge, RBail, BJohnson
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Quote from: GoLions on October 27, 2015, 06:33:06 PMWA time zone mate ;)
You almost had me Ric, but for one simple slip up. You have the times of those messages being sent at 3:11, but you made that initial post after 5! Ha!
Quote from: Holz on October 27, 2015, 10:20:48 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on October 27, 2015, 10:07:38 AM
Two coaches to go;
These trades will definitely pass (as they have 0 votes, and won't reach the magic 3 for me to analyse them)
Seoul trade: Jake Lloyd
New Delhi: David Myers
Great work NDT a 74 unsubbed average 22 year old mid who could get forward status and has played 20 and 18 games in the last two years.
I reckon they did better then the trades that accepted votes but more then happy for it to pass.
only be 2-3 trades that should have attracted votes this trade period not the 25+
Quote from: Ricochet on October 27, 2015, 06:34:35 PMI know :PQuote from: GoLions on October 27, 2015, 06:33:06 PMWA time zone mate ;)
You almost had me Ric, but for one simple slip up. You have the times of those messages being sent at 3:11, but you made that initial post after 5! Ha!
It's legit i swear
Quote from: Ricochet on October 27, 2015, 06:07:33 PM
Bit of interest in Grant. Looking at a pick in the 50s atm.
69ave unsubbed fwd, could be a handy F5 for some teams
Plus GC are very interested in him. Under Eade he posted a 74ave in his second year at the club
Looks like Merlin
Shallow draft, etc, etc
Get around himQuote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
Any of the guys below are available for picks
DEF: LDelaney, DTalia, SiWhite, SRussell
MID: WHams
RUCK: LPierce
FWD: JGrant, Tunbridge, RBail, BJohnson
Will also take pick upgrades. Current picks are N24, N59, N76
QuoteGOLD Coast has turned its attention to former Western Bulldogs forward Jarrad Grant as the Suns looks to add a versatile forward to their set-up.
Grant, who was selected with pick No.5 in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, played 81 games for the Bulldogs after making his debut in 2009 under current Suns coach Rodney Eade.
He played three seasons under Eade and kicked 45 goals in 36 games in 2010 and 2011 before Eade was replaced.
Grant struggled for consistency after Eade left, performing well in patches but being guilty of drifting in and out of games at times.
He has pace, is smart with the ball in hands and provides an x-factor when at his best.
He averaged 14 disposals a game and took 16 marks inside 50 in 2015 and was considered unlucky to be delisted. He also played in Footscray's 2014 VFL premiership team
Quote from: Ricochet on October 28, 2015, 12:12:34 PM
Get around Merlin aka Spindleshanks aka Microphone Head
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 06:00:27 PMWhy? We have plenty of time. And you can't punish people for having a life. About a month ago I could barely get on FF for about 2 weeks due to work, cricket, etc. and there would be coaches here who are much busier than I am.
Vote update?
We really need a 48hr timeframe introduced
Quote from: meow meow on October 28, 2015, 06:51:50 PMSad but true. :(
That's better than the filth that Cairo were rolling out in the 2nd half of the year.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
Vote update?
We really need a 48hr timeframe introduced
Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 06:51:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 06:00:27 PMWhy? We have plenty of time. And you can't punish people for having a life. About a month ago I could barely get on FF for about 2 weeks due to work, cricket, etc. and there would be coaches here who are much busier than I am.
Vote update?
We really need a 48hr timeframe introduced
Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 06:51:35 PMThat's #5 btw mate. Pull ya head inQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 06:00:27 PMWhy? We have plenty of time. And you can't punish people for having a life. About a month ago I could barely get on FF for about 2 weeks due to work, cricket, etc. and there would be coaches here who are much busier than I am.
Vote update?
We really need a 48hr timeframe introduced
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 07:57:12 PMSometimes shower comes up that makes them that busy though. For me, bed-->work-->cricket-->bed-->work is a 42 hour period that potentially occurs twice a week for me if I'm really busy at work and can't get on to FF. All it takes is for me to be busy on a Wednesday night, and all of a sudden I'm basically booked out from 11pm Monday to 7pm Friday. I'm not even a coach in WXV, and don't need to vote on trades in British, but I just don't see the point in adding a time restriction of only 2-3 days for coaches to vote on trades.Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 06:51:35 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 06:00:27 PMWhy? We have plenty of time. And you can't punish people for having a life. About a month ago I could barely get on FF for about 2 weeks due to work, cricket, etc. and there would be coaches here who are much busier than I am.
Vote update?
We really need a 48hr timeframe introduced
Ahhhhh, the old have a life notion. If you cant find 10 minutes in 48 hours to get on and vote then perhaps you shouldn't be a coach. Nobody is that busy. People like to think they are, but they're not
Often we need to know the outcome of trades so that we can plan and discuss future trades that rely on the current weeks trade.
Honestly, 48 hours, even 72 is not an unrealistic request
Quote from: Ricochet on October 28, 2015, 07:59:08 PM"And then it dawned on him; this was why he wasn't voted in as a new wxvs coach"Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 06:51:35 PMThat's #5 btw mate. Pull ya head inQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 06:00:27 PMWhy? We have plenty of time. And you can't punish people for having a life. About a month ago I could barely get on FF for about 2 weeks due to work, cricket, etc. and there would be coaches here who are much busier than I am.
Vote update?
We really need a 48hr timeframe introduced
Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 08:21:12 PMHaha too many serious postsQuote from: Ricochet on October 28, 2015, 07:59:08 PM"And then it dawned on him; this was why he wasn't voted in as a new wxvs coach"Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 06:51:35 PMThat's #5 btw mate. Pull ya head inQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 06:00:27 PMWhy? We have plenty of time. And you can't punish people for having a life. About a month ago I could barely get on FF for about 2 weeks due to work, cricket, etc. and there would be coaches here who are much busier than I am.
Vote update?
We really need a 48hr timeframe introduced
Quote from: meow meow on October 28, 2015, 09:00:06 PMMaybe we should make a group agreement to always check FF when we shower?
I check FF on my phone when I'm taking a shower. Even if I was super busy I would always find time to do a daily shower.
But what's the rush?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 09:17:48 PMIf you don't make shower trades then they'll all pass :P
I only suggested the idea because there can be instances where you lodge a trade, wait for vote, gets negged, renegotiate, re-lodge then wait again and you are relying on elements of the trade for future trades so it can drag out for weeks and hold up other plans
It was simply a suggestion. What can I say? I get impatient and want to trade Haha
Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 09:52:45 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 09:17:48 PMIf you don't make shower trades then they'll all pass :P
I only suggested the idea because there can be instances where you lodge a trade, wait for vote, gets negged, renegotiate, re-lodge then wait again and you are relying on elements of the trade for future trades so it can drag out for weeks and hold up other plans
It was simply a suggestion. What can I say? I get impatient and want to trade Haha
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 10:00:08 PMSo you shouldn't have a problem with the delay on trades being passed then :)Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 09:52:45 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 09:17:48 PMIf you don't make shower trades then they'll all pass :P
I only suggested the idea because there can be instances where you lodge a trade, wait for vote, gets negged, renegotiate, re-lodge then wait again and you are relying on elements of the trade for future trades so it can drag out for weeks and hold up other plans
It was simply a suggestion. What can I say? I get impatient and want to trade Haha
None of our trades have been negged as far as I recall 8)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 09:17:48 PM
It was simply a suggestion. What can I say? I get impatient and want to trade Haha
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 10:20:43 PMthe first 2 times I read that I thought it said "If you have any sisters that have low cap points due to injury this year, please hit me up"
If you have any starters that have low cap points due to injury this year, please hit me up
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 28, 2015, 07:45:16 PMWell, anyone with interest in Ward can be thankful today I was pretty damn busy, will have a quick opening tonight but probably won't get a deal done within 24 hours. Happy to take our time, we do have plenty of it.
Ward could go within THE HOUR,
Get the offers in quick.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 28, 2015, 04:00:58 PM
A chance that superstar forward Jamie Elliott could be on the move.
Remember he went 87ave unsubbed last year as a 22 year old.
With Treloar added to that midfield at the Pies, and Howe playing as a high half forward, there will be more supply into the Pies forward 50 than ever before!
More goals = More SC points
Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 10:01:18 PMhave followed this argument with interest and as a compromise I would like to suggest that voting close on Friday night. The reason that I am suggesting this, is that if these 2 coaches do not vote till Sunday or do not vote at all, we may have to renegotiate trades and then wait another 2 weeks for fate. Whereas if we made Friday the cut off time we can renegotiate and have revised trade included in next weeks trade.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 10:00:08 PMSo you shouldn't have a problem with the delay on trades being passed then :)Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 09:52:45 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 09:17:48 PMIf you don't make shower trades then they'll all pass :P
I only suggested the idea because there can be instances where you lodge a trade, wait for vote, gets negged, renegotiate, re-lodge then wait again and you are relying on elements of the trade for future trades so it can drag out for weeks and hold up other plans
It was simply a suggestion. What can I say? I get impatient and want to trade Haha
None of our trades have been negged as far as I recall 8)
Quote from: Ringo on October 29, 2015, 04:30:51 PMLike this ^Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 10:01:18 PMhave followed this argument with interest and as a compromise I would like to suggest that voting close on Friday night. The reason that I am suggesting this, is that if these 2 coaches do not vote till Sunday or do not vote at all, we may have to renegotiate trades and then wait another 2 weeks for fate. Whereas if we made Friday the cut off time we can renegotiate and have revised trade included in next weeks trade.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 10:00:08 PMSo you shouldn't have a problem with the delay on trades being passed then :)Quote from: GoLions on October 28, 2015, 09:52:45 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2015, 09:17:48 PMIf you don't make shower trades then they'll all pass :P
I only suggested the idea because there can be instances where you lodge a trade, wait for vote, gets negged, renegotiate, re-lodge then wait again and you are relying on elements of the trade for future trades so it can drag out for weeks and hold up other plans
It was simply a suggestion. What can I say? I get impatient and want to trade Haha
None of our trades have been negged as far as I recall 8)
Think giving coaches 5 days to vote is reasonable even with lives outside FF,
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 05:24:41 PM
Only 2 weeks left...
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Quote from: DazBurg on October 29, 2015, 06:20:25 PMGrant for Shiel? K. Post him upQuote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 05:24:41 PM
Only 2 weeks left...
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QUICK TRADE WiTH US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 06:59:11 PMQUICK SOMEONE ELSE TRADE WITH US!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote from: DazBurg on October 29, 2015, 06:20:25 PMGrant for Shiel? K. Post him upQuote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 05:24:41 PM
Only 2 weeks left...
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QUICK TRADE WiTH US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 31, 2015, 04:31:02 PMhell deals like that we'd be tempted to give up dylan shiel :P
reckon Beijing are overpaying could be wrong
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 31, 2015, 04:31:02 PM
reckon Beijing are overpaying could be wrong
Quote from: Toga on October 31, 2015, 04:40:19 PMExactly
I probably am, but to land a big fish you gotta pay $$$
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 31, 2015, 04:45:26 PMI would've loved to see an offer from you JB, he was up for a week.
Beijing getting a bargain more like it!
Quote from: Toga on October 31, 2015, 04:40:19 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on October 31, 2015, 04:31:02 PM
reckon Beijing are overpaying could be wrong
I probably am, but to land a big fish you gotta pay $$$
Quote from: Ricochet on October 31, 2015, 04:42:21 PM^^^^
Clearly a case of best offer taken i guess. I mean it might be overpay but Ward is a legitimate gun and would have had multiple big offers thrown at him.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 31, 2015, 04:56:44 PM
It really depends on who you rate,Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 31, 2015, 04:45:26 PMI would've loved to see an offer from you JB, he was up for a week.
Beijing getting a bargain more like it!
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 31, 2015, 09:29:29 PM8)
Dat moment when New Delhi has a bigger cap than 6 clubs (including me) :o
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 31, 2015, 09:29:29 PM
Dat moment when New Delhi has a bigger cap than 6 clubs (including me) :o
Quote from: Ringo on October 31, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
Not impressed with trade being rejected as this trade is no worse than some that have been passed previously but what do you expect when coaches vote for trades. Really do not think too many of you looked at the full reason and dissection why we did it. You say you look at competition as a whole but did you consider London's plight roght on the cap so now hamstrung with not being able to do much because of cap. That was listed in the reason but not a lot of you probably read it. Just blindly guided by other coaches comments.
Anyway them the rules and you have to accept them so London will probably have to now tank because of points cap and the insensitivity of coaches to our plight.
Will again list Stanton and Baguley/Lumumba to offers that help us reduce cap but will be difficult going on the current mood of coaches.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
Any of the guys below are available for picks
DEF: LDelaney, DTalia, SiWhite, SRussell
MID:WHams
RUCK: LPierce
FWD: JGrant, Tunbridge, RBail, BJohnson
Quote from: Ricochet on October 27, 2015, 06:07:33 PM
Bit of interest in Grant. Looking at a pick in the 50s atm.
69ave unsubbed fwd, could be a handy F5 for some teams
Plus GC are very interested in him. Under Eade he posted a 74ave in his second year at the club
Looks like Merlin
Shallow draft, etc, etc
Get around him
Quote from: Ricochet on October 26, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
Need ruck depth? Lewis Pierce is now AFL ready
http://www.saints.com.au/news/2015-09-11/lewis-locked-in-for-2016
He started at 88kgs, and will be over 100kgs for the next season
Saints know his ability and re-signed him at the end of this year
Also with the St Kilda ruck stocks being so young, their preference/order could change quickly
I'll take a pick or pick upgrade for him
Low risk, for a potential nice reward ;)
Quote from: Ringo on October 31, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
You say you look at competition as a whole but did you consider London's plight roght on the cap so now hamstrung with not being able to do much because of cap. That was listed in the reason but not a lot of you probably read it. Just blindly guided by other coaches comments.
Anyway them the rules and you have to accept them so London will probably have to now tank because of points cap and the insensitivity of coaches to our plight.
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 01, 2015, 07:08:01 PMReason to neg hahaha
:o
5 way trade? Cannot get my head around it yet.
???
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 01, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
:o
5 way trade? Cannot get my head around it yet.
???
Quote from: Jayman on November 01, 2015, 07:19:35 PM
5-way deal? Kinda makes the trade voting process interesting this week... Already got 6 accepted votes basically, even though to me, it looks extremely unfair for at least 2 teams involved.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 01, 2015, 07:35:00 PM
And they have the admin vote :P
Quote from: DazBurg on November 01, 2015, 08:02:36 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on November 01, 2015, 07:35:00 PM
And they have the admin vote :P
smart smart move indeed by these lot....worked out a way to bypass the voting system regardless of weather it is good or not ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 01, 2015, 07:28:02 PM
Toronto give: K. Jack + A. Everitt + S. Biggs + N31
Toronto get: J. Ziebell + N5
New Delhi give: J. Elliott
New Delhi get: K. Jack
Buenos Aires give: J. Ziebell + N3
Buenos Aires get: J. Elliott + L.Hansen + A. Everitt + S. Biggs + N31
Rio de Janeiro give: N5 + N43
Rio de Janeiro get: S. Thompson + R. Murphy + N. van Berlo + J. Walker + N32
Dublin give: S. Thompson + R. Murphy + M. Walters + L.Hansen + N. van Berlo + J. Walker + N32
Dublin get: C. Yarran + B. Dale + N3
Berlin give: C. Yarran + B. Dale
Berlin get: M. Walters + N43
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 12:58:52 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 01, 2015, 07:28:02 PM
Toronto give: K. Jack + A. Everitt + S. Biggs + N31
Toronto get: J. Ziebell + N5
New Delhi give: J. Elliott
New Delhi get: K. Jack
Buenos Aires give: J. Ziebell + N3
Buenos Aires get: J. Elliott + L.Hansen + A. Everitt + S. Biggs + N31
Rio de Janeiro give: N5 + N43
Rio de Janeiro get: S. Thompson + R. Murphy + N. van Berlo + J. Walker + N32
Dublin give: S. Thompson + R. Murphy + M. Walters + L.Hansen + N. van Berlo + J. Walker + N32
Dublin get: C. Yarran + B. Dale + N3
Berlin give: C. Yarran + B. Dale
Berlin get: M. Walters + N43
Finding this quite challenging to asses. I feel like some teams are completely fine and fair in terms of what they are giving and what they are getting (Eg Berlin) but then some are not (Eg Holz getting raped IMO)
This is ugly to asses. Might need some convincing or explaining from those involved as to why and how this has come apart and benefits all teams
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 02, 2015, 01:29:08 PM
poor Holz
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 01:35:56 PMIsnt this what we want though? The better teams trading many good players for single picks to lesser teams to even up the comp?
@Rico - I don't asses trades like that, in terms of looking at last weeks deal. When I asses trades, it's how I put them - who are you trading and who are you getting - the other teams involved don't mean anything
Meow - when you say Pick 3 for those other picks again I probably don't totally agree because valuing established guns as picks probably doesn't work completely
The way I see it, Walters and 32 for Yarran and Dale is fair (like Meow said) and how I looked at it
Thompson, Murphy, Hansen, Walker and Van Berlo for Pick 3 is what I was surprised about initially
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 02, 2015, 01:39:27 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 01:35:56 PMIsnt this what we want though? The better teams trading many good players for single picks to lesser teams to even up the comp?
@Rico - I don't asses trades like that, in terms of looking at last weeks deal. When I asses trades, it's how I put them - who are you trading and who are you getting - the other teams involved don't mean anything
Meow - when you say Pick 3 for those other picks again I probably don't totally agree because valuing established guns as picks probably doesn't work completely
The way I see it, Walters and 32 for Yarran and Dale is fair (like Meow said) and how I looked at it
Thompson, Murphy, Hansen, Walker and Van Berlo for Pick 3 is what I was surprised about initially
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
Meow - when you say Pick 3 for those other picks again I probably don't totally agree because valuing established guns as picks probably doesn't work completely
Quote from: meow meow on November 02, 2015, 01:55:42 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
Meow - when you say Pick 3 for those other picks again I probably don't totally agree because valuing established guns as picks probably doesn't work completely
Why not? Established players get traded for picks in WXV, and you can use previous trades as a guide of what is WXV market value.
If Holz did any of those trades individually would you think they were unfair? If they're fair when you think of them like that, then the valuation is correct.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 02, 2015, 01:39:27 PM
Isnt this what we want though? The better teams trading many good players for single picks to lesser teams to even up the comp?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 02:26:45 PMQuote from: meow meow on November 02, 2015, 01:55:42 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
Meow - when you say Pick 3 for those other picks again I probably don't totally agree because valuing established guns as picks probably doesn't work completely
Why not? Established players get traded for picks in WXV, and you can use previous trades as a guide of what is WXV market value.
If Holz did any of those trades individually would you think they were unfair? If they're fair when you think of them like that, then the valuation is correct.
Yes I agree, but to a certain extant. You can say Player X is worth Pick X, and when you say Pick 3 is received for a bunch of later picks that sounds like Holz wins too, but you have to factor in the actually ability of the players involved because if you don't, then I could simply reply by looking at their averages instead of draft pick valuation:
100 + 90 + 80 + 60 + 60 = 390 points per week FOR Pick 3 which equals 60-80 most likely
Not saying your valuation is wrong, just saying there are other things to factor too
Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 02:57:20 PM
Holz has a pretty solid team as it is, he's getting rid of some of the older guys and getting in a younger talent to join his mids recognising the need to boost his stocks because they'll be future guns when the current crop like Jelwood and friends start to age and slow down.
Smart trading imo.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 02, 2015, 03:07:15 PM
Andrew Boston retired :o
Holz doesn't have him anymore but he'd still be devastated
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 02:26:45 PMI don't neg trades at all, so what would I know? ;)Quote from: meow meow on November 02, 2015, 01:55:42 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
Meow - when you say Pick 3 for those other picks again I probably don't totally agree because valuing established guns as picks probably doesn't work completely
Why not? Established players get traded for picks in WXV, and you can use previous trades as a guide of what is WXV market value.
If Holz did any of those trades individually would you think they were unfair? If they're fair when you think of them like that, then the valuation is correct.
Yes I agree, but to a certain extant. You can say Player X is worth Pick X, and when you say Pick 3 is received for a bunch of later picks that sounds like Holz wins too, but you have to factor in the actually ability of the players involved because if you don't, then I could simply reply by looking at their averages instead of draft pick valuation:
100 + 90 + 80 + 60 + 60 = 390 points per week FOR Pick 3 which equals 60-80 most likely
Not saying your valuation is wrong, just saying there are other things to factor too
As for this:Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 02, 2015, 01:39:27 PM
Isnt this what we want though? The better teams trading many good players for single picks to lesser teams to even up the comp?
I completely disagree.
Top teams will start to drop off naturally when their older players start retiring or when lower teams don't give them young guns or top picks. Letting them give up old guys to get Top picks is doing the absolute opposite IMO
Again, I don't neg for this reason at all - I simply look at what is being given and received and decide if it's fair for both teams, not the comp
Quote from: Holz on November 02, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
this will be interesting.
does anyone have a worse bench then this
A.Browne, H.Grundy, O. Mcdonald, N.Holman, T.Smith, S.Frost, C Delaney, K.Heatherley, C.Byrne
C.Hanley
J.Redden, D.Currie,
S.Johnson, R.Schoenmakers, D.Markworth, J.Foster, D.Butler, D.Howard, M.Daw
with only pick 3, 74, 79, 92
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2015, 04:27:40 PMQuote from: Holz on November 02, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
this will be interesting.
does anyone have a worse bench then this
A.Browne, H.Grundy, O. Mcdonald, N.Holman, T.Smith, S.Frost, C Delaney, K.Heatherley, C.Byrne
C.Hanley
J.Redden, D.Currie,
S.Johnson, R.Schoenmakers, D.Markworth, J.Foster, D.Butler, D.Howard, M.Daw
with only pick 3, 74, 79, 92
Pretty sure a few of them have been delisted too LOL. Browne and Redden have been off the top of my head
New York would look like this
Fisher, Scott D Thompson, Buckley, Shenton, White
Grigg, Rosa, Cockatoo, Sexton
Griffin
A.Walker, Vardy, Menzel, J.White, Stewart, Turner, Redpath, Fitzpatrick, Murdoch
Not Christchurch material, but not too bad I guess. We could use some mid depth and have forward depth to offer!
Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 02:57:20 PMSo it is smart trading when a top team trades out older players but not lousy when a mid tier team does it. Do not understand.
Holz has a pretty solid team as it is, he's getting rid of some of the older guys and getting in a younger talent to join his mids recognising the need to boost his stocks because they'll be future guns when the current crop like Jelwood and friends start to age and slow down.
Smart trading imo.
Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 05:26:27 PMDon't twist my words, I never said that. I simply praised Holz's approach and made no comment about 'mid tier teams'.Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 02:57:20 PMSo it is smart trading when a top team trades out older players but not lousy when a mid tier team does it. Do not understand.
Holz has a pretty solid team as it is, he's getting rid of some of the older guys and getting in a younger talent to join his mids recognising the need to boost his stocks because they'll be future guns when the current crop like Jelwood and friends start to age and slow down.
Smart trading imo.
Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 07:00:05 PMNot twisting your words making an observation - my trade last week was rejected when one reason was trying to get rid of older players so hence my comment here.Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 05:26:27 PMDon't twist my words, I never said that. I simply praised Holz's approach and made no comment about 'mid tier teams'.Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 02:57:20 PMSo it is smart trading when a top team trades out older players but not lousy when a mid tier team does it. Do not understand.
Holz has a pretty solid team as it is, he's getting rid of some of the older guys and getting in a younger talent to join his mids recognising the need to boost his stocks because they'll be future guns when the current crop like Jelwood and friends start to age and slow down.
Smart trading imo.
Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 07:02:51 PMQuote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 07:00:05 PMNot twisting your words making an observation - my trade last week was rejected when one reason was trying to get rid of older players so hence my comment here.Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 05:26:27 PMDon't twist my words, I never said that. I simply praised Holz's approach and made no comment about 'mid tier teams'.Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 02:57:20 PMSo it is smart trading when a top team trades out older players but not lousy when a mid tier team does it. Do not understand.
Holz has a pretty solid team as it is, he's getting rid of some of the older guys and getting in a younger talent to join his mids recognising the need to boost his stocks because they'll be future guns when the current crop like Jelwood and friends start to age and slow down.
Smart trading imo.
Quote from: Holz on November 02, 2015, 07:22:06 PMOh really??Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 07:02:51 PMQuote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 07:00:05 PMNot twisting your words making an observation - my trade last week was rejected when one reason was trying to get rid of older players so hence my comment here.Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 05:26:27 PMDon't twist my words, I never said that. I simply praised Holz's approach and made no comment about 'mid tier teams'.Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 02:57:20 PMSo it is smart trading when a top team trades out older players but not lousy when a mid tier team does it. Do not understand.
Holz has a pretty solid team as it is, he's getting rid of some of the older guys and getting in a younger talent to join his mids recognising the need to boost his stocks because they'll be future guns when the current crop like Jelwood and friends start to age and slow down.
Smart trading imo.
That was the reason it failed though.
It was
1. Mexico didn't give enough compensation
2. Its bad for the comp if Mexico trades in older players.
2 is unfair as its means you can't offload players as only old teams want them.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 02, 2015, 07:24:37 PMQuote from: Holz on November 02, 2015, 07:22:06 PMOh really??Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 07:02:51 PMQuote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 07:00:05 PMNot twisting your words making an observation - my trade last week was rejected when one reason was trying to get rid of older players so hence my comment here.Quote from: Ringo on November 02, 2015, 05:26:27 PMDon't twist my words, I never said that. I simply praised Holz's approach and made no comment about 'mid tier teams'.Quote from: Nige on November 02, 2015, 02:57:20 PMSo it is smart trading when a top team trades out older players but not lousy when a mid tier team does it. Do not understand.
Holz has a pretty solid team as it is, he's getting rid of some of the older guys and getting in a younger talent to join his mids recognising the need to boost his stocks because they'll be future guns when the current crop like Jelwood and friends start to age and slow down.
Smart trading imo.
That was the reason it failed though.
It was
1. Mexico didn't give enough compensation
2. Its bad for the comp if Mexico trades in older players.
2 is unfair as its means you can't offload players as only old teams want them.
;)
Quote from: Big Mac on November 03, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Who has Hogan?
Quote from: Big Mac on November 03, 2015, 10:21:55 PMThe answer you're looking for is Moscow (Jukes/Torp)!
Who has Hogan?
Quote from: Big Mac on November 03, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Who has Hogan?
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 04, 2015, 10:11:40 AMQuote from: Big Mac on November 03, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Who has Hogan?
*sobs heavily*
Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 10:23:34 AMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 04, 2015, 10:11:40 AMQuote from: Big Mac on November 03, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Who has Hogan?
*sobs heavily*
if it helps you have the guy who i traded hogan for (walters)
Quote from: Ricochet on November 02, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
We actually have a few more picks than we need now. So can combine some for a slightly better pick if people need to fill a list still
Nat 12, 24, 59, 72, 76
Or add any of these boys for pick upgrades: Pierce, Grant, DTalia, SiWhite, SRussell, Tunbridge, RBail, BJohnson
Quote from: Ricochet on November 03, 2015, 12:41:06 PM
N12 + Hrovat could possibly be on the table atm. Looking for a decent mid
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 04, 2015, 03:01:08 PM
Don't blame us we voted to pass all the trades.
I am not going to comment on the 6 way deal because its too complex.
If Hooker, Bell or Pick 8 are removed from the trade between Moscow and Beijing aren't Beijing then not giving up enough for a Premo mid gun in Ward?
A gun mid you can stick the C on each week should come at a premium i would have thought.
If Moscow add something minor on their end it still probably IMO is a trade which is relatively even.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
Dublin losing too much? Pull your heads in coaches its good for the competition!
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 04, 2015, 03:50:16 PMSo it could be submitted as separate trades but clause is all must pass individually or all fail?
Really feel that if it was separated, with clauses attached (you can actually do that btw, it's just no one ever does) to each deal, then all of them would pass.
I think it is an easy fix IMO
Quote from: Ricochet on November 04, 2015, 03:54:33 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 04, 2015, 03:50:16 PMSo it could be submitted as separate trades but clause is all must pass individually or all fail?
Really feel that if it was separated, with clauses attached (you can actually do that btw, it's just no one ever does) to each deal, then all of them would pass.
I think it is an easy fix IMO
Quote from: Ricochet on November 04, 2015, 03:54:33 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 04, 2015, 03:50:16 PMSo it could be submitted as separate trades but clause is all must pass individually or all fail?
Really feel that if it was separated, with clauses attached (you can actually do that btw, it's just no one ever does) to each deal, then all of them would pass.
I think it is an easy fix IMO
Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 03:36:36 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
Dublin losing too much? Pull your heads in coaches its good for the competition!
I dont think I can trade anymore. Its pretty clear
all i did was add in Josh Walker and i jumped from
Winning by too much to losing by too much.
from me that tells me that my wiggle room for passing a trade is half the value of Josh Walker.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 04, 2015, 04:01:17 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 04, 2015, 03:54:33 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 04, 2015, 03:50:16 PMSo it could be submitted as separate trades but clause is all must pass individually or all fail?
Really feel that if it was separated, with clauses attached (you can actually do that btw, it's just no one ever does) to each deal, then all of them would pass.
I think it is an easy fix IMO
Well that would really depend on who needs which part of the trade to pass. Like, Holz could go out and say:
Dublin trades: Scott Thompson, Robert Murphy, Nathan van Berlo, Josh Walker + Pick 32
Rio trades: Pick 5 + Pick 43
Clause: On condition that this trade passes
Dublin trades: Walters + Pick 43
Berlin trades: Yarran + Dale
Although Dublin wouldn't technically have Pick 43 to trade yet, if my trade with Dublin is approved by everyone, then it would immediately pass when Dublin acquires Pick 43. If my trade with Dublin isn't approved, then Dublin could opt to make his Rio trade void.
Stuff like that.
Or you could tie in all individual trades, that works too.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:19:33 PMYeh i think we'd personally like to do ours seperate. Can't wait until the middle/end of next week to find out if a big 6way passes or not when its so complicated
Like AK said we passed all trades, but I really don't think 6 way trades are something that should be attempted because it just creates too much room for error. All it takes is one small part of the deal for someone not to like and it all falls apart
Quote from: Ricochet on November 04, 2015, 04:22:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:19:33 PMYeh i think we'd personally like to do ours seperate. Can't wait until the middle/end of next week to find out if a big 6way passes or not when its so complicated
Like AK said we passed all trades, but I really don't think 6 way trades are something that should be attempted because it just creates too much room for error. All it takes is one small part of the deal for someone not to like and it all falls apart
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:19:33 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 03:36:36 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
Dublin losing too much? Pull your heads in coaches its good for the competition!
I dont think I can trade anymore. Its pretty clear
all i did was add in Josh Walker and i jumped from
Winning by too much to losing by too much.
from me that tells me that my wiggle room for passing a trade is half the value of Josh Walker.
You added Walters in too, and removed old Stevie J, but anyway
Maybe you should just try and do some simple trades for a change :P
Like AK said we passed all trades, but I really don't think 6 way trades are something that should be attempted because it just creates too much room for error. All it takes is one small part of the deal for someone not to like and it all falls apart
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
I cant afford to do simple trades as its changing my structure.
I need to pick up chris yarran because im losing hansen and bob murphy.
if one of those deals fails then im left with too many defenders or not enough defenders.
we can just seperate the deal out. then people can say what part of it is unfair. and none of this team A B C D win and lose by too much rubbish.
13/18 people passed it and the small minority of 5 coaches couldnt decide if it was Team A winning or losing. the deal is fair and when its simplified it should pass.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:19:33 PMValid suggestion ^Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 03:36:36 PMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
Dublin losing too much? Pull your heads in coaches its good for the competition!
I dont think I can trade anymore. Its pretty clear
all i did was add in Josh Walker and i jumped from
Winning by too much to losing by too much.
from me that tells me that my wiggle room for passing a trade is half the value of Josh Walker.
You added Walters in too, and removed old Stevie J, but anyway
Maybe you should just try and do some simple trades for a change :P
Like AK said we passed all trades, but I really don't think 6 way trades are something that should be attempted because it just creates too much room for error. All it takes is one small part of the deal for someone not to like and it all falls apart
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
I cant afford to do simple trades as its changing my structure.
I need to pick up chris yarran because im losing hansen and bob murphy.
if one of those deals fails then im left with too many defenders or not enough defenders.
we can just seperate the deal out. then people can say what part of it is unfair. and none of this team A B C D win and lose by too much rubbish.
13/18 people passed it and the small minority of 5 coaches couldnt decide if it was Team A winning or losing. the deal is fair and when its simplified it should pass.
Dublin trade: Scott Thompson, Bob Murphy, Lachie Hansen & 32
Rio trade: Pick 5 and 43
Then you can do a deal with Berlin
Dublin trade: Michael Walters + 43
Berlin trade: Chris Yarran + Bailey Dale
That seems pretty simple, and you get to keep Walker and Van Berlo
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:52:48 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
I cant afford to do simple trades as its changing my structure.
I need to pick up chris yarran because im losing hansen and bob murphy.
if one of those deals fails then im left with too many defenders or not enough defenders.
we can just seperate the deal out. then people can say what part of it is unfair. and none of this team A B C D win and lose by too much rubbish.
13/18 people passed it and the small minority of 5 coaches couldnt decide if it was Team A winning or losing. the deal is fair and when its simplified it should pass.
Dublin trade: Scott Thompson, Bob Murphy, Lachie Hansen & 32
Rio trade: Pick 5 and 43
Then you can do a deal with Berlin
Dublin trade: Michael Walters + 43
Berlin trade: Chris Yarran + Bailey Dale
That seems pretty simple, and you get to keep Walker and Van Berlo
Ok lets say one of those deals fails lets say Walters.
Now I have a massive defender problem.
Would be easier if I had confidence in getting a fair deal approved.
By the way the first deal was far far worse for dublin then this deal were as was getting "killed"
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 05:01:41 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:52:48 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
I cant afford to do simple trades as its changing my structure.
I need to pick up chris yarran because im losing hansen and bob murphy.
if one of those deals fails then im left with too many defenders or not enough defenders.
we can just seperate the deal out. then people can say what part of it is unfair. and none of this team A B C D win and lose by too much rubbish.
13/18 people passed it and the small minority of 5 coaches couldnt decide if it was Team A winning or losing. the deal is fair and when its simplified it should pass.
Dublin trade: Scott Thompson, Bob Murphy, Lachie Hansen & 32
Rio trade: Pick 5 and 43
Then you can do a deal with Berlin
Dublin trade: Michael Walters + 43
Berlin trade: Chris Yarran + Bailey Dale
That seems pretty simple, and you get to keep Walker and Van Berlo
Ok lets say one of those deals fails lets say Walters.
Now I have a massive defender problem.
Would be easier if I had confidence in getting a fair deal approved.
By the way the first deal was far far worse for dublin then this deal were as was getting "killed"
Purps said that not a single coach mentioned Berlin in the deal. Your deal with them was fair and will never fail. Guaranteed pass
There's no point sounding like a broken record about how unfair you think you're judged, deals not being fair etc. All this does is build your complex and it's not helping you. The trades you try pulling off are clearly questionable for some coaches, so instead of going around in circles and trying to do the same mega deals it might be time to play some small ball
It cant be a coincidence that you're the only one who has so much trouble getting trades done and always does big trades. Whether you like it or not, it might be time to change the way you trade man :-\
Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 05:04:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 05:01:41 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:52:48 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
I cant afford to do simple trades as its changing my structure.
I need to pick up chris yarran because im losing hansen and bob murphy.
if one of those deals fails then im left with too many defenders or not enough defenders.
we can just seperate the deal out. then people can say what part of it is unfair. and none of this team A B C D win and lose by too much rubbish.
13/18 people passed it and the small minority of 5 coaches couldnt decide if it was Team A winning or losing. the deal is fair and when its simplified it should pass.
Dublin trade: Scott Thompson, Bob Murphy, Lachie Hansen & 32
Rio trade: Pick 5 and 43
Then you can do a deal with Berlin
Dublin trade: Michael Walters + 43
Berlin trade: Chris Yarran + Bailey Dale
That seems pretty simple, and you get to keep Walker and Van Berlo
Ok lets say one of those deals fails lets say Walters.
Now I have a massive defender problem.
Would be easier if I had confidence in getting a fair deal approved.
By the way the first deal was far far worse for dublin then this deal were as was getting "killed"
Purps said that not a single coach mentioned Berlin in the deal. Your deal with them was fair and will never fail. Guaranteed pass
There's no point sounding like a broken record about how unfair you think you're judged, deals not being fair etc. All this does is build your complex and it's not helping you. The trades you try pulling off are clearly questionable for some coaches, so instead of going around in circles and trying to do the same mega deals it might be time to play some small ball
It cant be a coincidence that you're the only one who has so much trouble getting trades done and always does big trades. Whether you like it or not, it might be time to change the way you trade man :-\
Fair enough but unless people think Hansen 5 for 3 is the problem then walker just swung my trade from terrible in my favour to terribly out of my favour.
I struggle to wrap my head around that
I legit want advice on what to do. Would love your thoughts
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 05:10:53 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 05:04:02 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 05:01:41 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:52:48 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PMQuote from: Holz on November 04, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
I cant afford to do simple trades as its changing my structure.
I need to pick up chris yarran because im losing hansen and bob murphy.
if one of those deals fails then im left with too many defenders or not enough defenders.
we can just seperate the deal out. then people can say what part of it is unfair. and none of this team A B C D win and lose by too much rubbish.
13/18 people passed it and the small minority of 5 coaches couldnt decide if it was Team A winning or losing. the deal is fair and when its simplified it should pass.
Dublin trade: Scott Thompson, Bob Murphy, Lachie Hansen & 32
Rio trade: Pick 5 and 43
Then you can do a deal with Berlin
Dublin trade: Michael Walters + 43
Berlin trade: Chris Yarran + Bailey Dale
That seems pretty simple, and you get to keep Walker and Van Berlo
Ok lets say one of those deals fails lets say Walters.
Now I have a massive defender problem.
Would be easier if I had confidence in getting a fair deal approved.
By the way the first deal was far far worse for dublin then this deal were as was getting "killed"
Purps said that not a single coach mentioned Berlin in the deal. Your deal with them was fair and will never fail. Guaranteed pass
There's no point sounding like a broken record about how unfair you think you're judged, deals not being fair etc. All this does is build your complex and it's not helping you. The trades you try pulling off are clearly questionable for some coaches, so instead of going around in circles and trying to do the same mega deals it might be time to play some small ball
It cant be a coincidence that you're the only one who has so much trouble getting trades done and always does big trades. Whether you like it or not, it might be time to change the way you trade man :-\
Fair enough but unless people think Hansen 5 for 3 is the problem then walker just swung my trade from terrible in my favour to terribly out of my favour.
I struggle to wrap my head around that
I legit want advice on what to do. Would love your thoughts
Dublin trade: Scott Thompson, Robert Murphy, Michael Walters, Lachlan Hansen, Nathan van Berlo, Josh Walker + Pick 32
Dublin receive: Chris Yarran, Bailey Dale + Pick 3
Walters and 32 for Yarran and Dale is fine (I know you used 43 from Rio but 32 is the same thing more or less for this example)
That leaves:
Scott Thompson, Robert Murphy, Lachlan Hansen, Nathan van Berlo, Josh Walker for Pick 3
5 players, whom 3 if not 4 could all be starters in some teams for One pick. Surely you don't need me to tell you why some coaches think you're paying too much here?
I understand Thommo and Bob might only have a year left or two, and Pick 3 could have 10 but it comes down to how coaches view trades and we are all different. If they are saying you're giving too much, then just trim it back and make it work
Forgot about the trade a couple of weeks ago that traded. Hansen and Walker were not in those trades so there is no point comparing - just have to move on
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PMONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion
Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PMSuch a mature response. :PQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PMi negged itQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PMONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion
Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PMSuch a mature response. :PQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 03, 2015, 10:27:13 PMQuote from: Big Mac on November 03, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Who has Hogan?
good luck lol
Quote from: Jukes on November 04, 2015, 06:26:00 PMThese two things really stand out for me, we needed to change up our Daniher trade as a result even though both Ringo and Jukes were fine with the deal, and in reality the deal was fair from the start. This is just one example. With many coaches going for one player, some potential annoyance with us taking a particular deal could have come into accepting or declining our trade, which isn't uncommon from what I've seen.
I just think that it's rubbish that for the second year in a row our deals are unfairly negged meaning we have to give up more - happened three times last season iirc on fair trades (as were shown through the year), then 100% of our trades this year.
How are we supposed to improve our team at all if all our trades get negged because apparently we're winning, we give up more and then in the end it turns out that it was initially fair if not we were losing (see: Sinkers for Daniher).
It's a bad system - most of the time deals are negged are likely because
a) it will help their side out through further trading/weakening similar teams for next season
b) personal vendetta against the team/coaches
Strip our picks see what happens btw
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PMAtleast you're honest Daz, but in reality some of the offers you gave us were much more one sided than this one, and I agree with you about this offseason, it's becoming all too political.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PMi negged itQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PMONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion
Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PMSuch a mature response. :PQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great
also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way
same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it
so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward
tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth
Quote from: Ringo on November 04, 2015, 06:27:19 PMI understand your point Ringo, but it really is a rating point of view. I know for sure JB thinks we are being smashed, and might've netted the trade for that reason, while Daz begged it because we were winning by too much. It doesn't make sense!
We all get disappointed when trades get rejected myself included. The rules for World XV's have been set so we have to accept the decision and move on and re-negotiate trade based on the comments. I am still in negotiations re the Stanton trade trying to work an acceptable trade after basically feeling very upset at rejection.
Know it is hard to try and get some rhyme and reason as to why some trades pass and others do not but it is all based on coaches opinions at that time and we have to accept that being the rule in place. It will serve no purpose asking who voted for or against as it may create schisms and clics with coaches and that is not healthy for the competition as a whole.
So the advice is accept decisions and get with renegotiating trade. In your case Torp RD has hit the nail on the head you have to add something or Bejing need to remove Newton or Nat 8 from the deal.
Quote from: Big Mac on November 04, 2015, 06:31:30 PMPretty much :P He holds a fair price.Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 03, 2015, 10:27:13 PMQuote from: Big Mac on November 03, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Who has Hogan?
good luck lol
kb my master plan is forming
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PMQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PMi negged itQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PMONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion
Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PMSuch a mature response. :PQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great
also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way
same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it
so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward
tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 06:40:49 PMThere you go. Now that we've given you a more statistical look at it Daz, rather than the bias I'm sure all Essendon supporters including me have for Dyson, would you accept it?Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PMQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PMi negged itQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PMONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion
Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PMSuch a mature response. :PQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great
also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way
same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it
so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward
tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth
You just contradicted yourself.
Heppell has never averaged 110, Ward has.
Ward also averaged more then Heppell last season.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
Where are the neggers?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 06:40:49 PMI rhink i have a right since everyone else does only fair for me too...seems to work for everyone elseQuote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PMQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PMi negged itQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PMONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion
Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PMSuch a mature response. :PQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great
also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way
same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it
so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward
tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth
You just contradicted yourself.
Heppell has never averaged 110, Ward has.
Ward also averaged more then Heppell last season.
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:58:55 PMYes, ;)
What offer torps
Zach merret for docherty??
Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great
Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:06:40 PMI prefer the George Constanza one.
I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2015, 07:12:24 PMClose. On train home from work.Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great
Taking a dump?
Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:32:25 PMTrains have toilets don't they.Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2015, 07:12:24 PMClose. On train home from work.Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great
Taking a dump?
Cheers fellas.
Quote from: Ringo on November 04, 2015, 07:37:43 PMAnything's a toilet if you poop in itQuote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:32:25 PMTrains have toilets don't they.Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2015, 07:12:24 PMClose. On train home from work.Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great
Taking a dump?
Cheers fellas.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:39:35 PMQuote from: Jukes on November 04, 2015, 06:26:00 PMThese two things really stand out for me, we needed to change up our Daniher trade as a result even though both Ringo and Jukes were fine with the deal, and in reality the deal was fair from the start. This is just one example. With many coaches going for one player, some potential annoyance with us taking a particular deal could have come into accepting or declining our trade, which isn't uncommon from what I've seen.
I just think that it's rubbish that for the second year in a row our deals are unfairly negged meaning we have to give up more - happened three times last season iirc on fair trades (as were shown through the year), then 100% of our trades this year.
How are we supposed to improve our team at all if all our trades get negged because apparently we're winning, we give up more and then in the end it turns out that it was initially fair if not we were losing (see: Sinkers for Daniher).
It's a bad system - most of the time deals are negged are likely because
a) it will help their side out through further trading/weakening similar teams for next season
b) personal vendetta against the team/coaches
Strip our picks see what happens btwQuote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PMAtleast you're honest Daz, but in reality some of the offers you gave us were much more one sided than this one, and I agree with you about this offseason, it's becoming all too political.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PMi negged itQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PMONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PMThat was towards the neggers RD.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
Wow Seriously?
Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?
What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion
Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PMSuch a mature response. :PQuote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.
I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great
also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way
same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it
so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward
tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouthQuote from: Ringo on November 04, 2015, 06:27:19 PMI understand your point Ringo, but it really is a rating point of view. I know for sure JB thinks we are being smashed, and might've netted the trade for that reason, while Daz begged it because we were winning by too much. It doesn't make sense!
We all get disappointed when trades get rejected myself included. The rules for World XV's have been set so we have to accept the decision and move on and re-negotiate trade based on the comments. I am still in negotiations re the Stanton trade trying to work an acceptable trade after basically feeling very upset at rejection.
Know it is hard to try and get some rhyme and reason as to why some trades pass and others do not but it is all based on coaches opinions at that time and we have to accept that being the rule in place. It will serve no purpose asking who voted for or against as it may create schisms and clics with coaches and that is not healthy for the competition as a whole.
So the advice is accept decisions and get with renegotiating trade. In your case Torp RD has hit the nail on the head you have to add something or Bejing need to remove Newton or Nat 8 from the deal.
In reality, the only opinions that should matter are the coaches of the sides involved, and at worst a potential group of consultants or the Admin, who only step in if it is absolutely disgusting (Eg. Ward for N8, Pendlebury for T.McKenzie)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 06:40:14 PMYeah, rating players between Coaches is a tough one to decipher at times! Daz and I were quite torn on this one, as we know a top mid should be worth their weight in gold.
So Daz, are you suggesting Heppell is a super prem but Ward isn't? Not sure how you think Heppell would be fair but Ward isn't, but I guess that's a classic example of how we all have different views :)
Me personally, I'd take Ward over Heppell every day of the week
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 04, 2015, 09:40:58 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 06:40:14 PMYeah, rating players between Coaches is a tough one to decipher at times! Daz and I were quite torn on this one, as we know a top mid should be worth their weight in gold.
So Daz, are you suggesting Heppell is a super prem but Ward isn't? Not sure how you think Heppell would be fair but Ward isn't, but I guess that's a classic example of how we all have different views :)
Me personally, I'd take Ward over Heppell every day of the week
As for reasons, Memph covered it pretty well! Hooker albeit 27 (still has 4-5 solid years left in him) was #15 Defender and Ward is #17 Mid. Think bell was around #82 Mid, and N8 I rate as another 85ish potential player. I try to use some stats based on negging trades and whatnot, to let go of some biases (like I don't rate Bell all that highly) but in the scheme of things, we suggested adding something else from Moscow (depth player, a decent pick) would get it over the line as Hooker is far from being old and is one of the top defenders given the new intercept marking rules.
If Tmac can net Libba, similar could be said for Hooker and Ward (other parts pending).
But as I said, I rate Ward and reckon not too far off a deal, have to take a Co-Coach's opinion as well!
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 04, 2015, 10:00:04 PM
Tmac also just had his breakout, and Libba is arguably just as proven as Ward! It's why these things are quite biased on how people view the players. N8 + a 89 Mid was also in this deal ;).
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 10:02:48 PMLol, if you read a few posts up I said I didn't rate Bell :P.Quote from: Hellopplz on November 04, 2015, 10:00:04 PMSo you would do Bell + n8 for Shiel?
Tmac also just had his breakout, and Libba is arguably just as proven as Ward! It's why these things are quite biased on how people view the players. N8 + a 89 Mid was also in this deal ;).
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 07:08:22 PMso that one is more unfair then the one negged?Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:58:55 PMYes, ;)
What offer torps
Zach merret for docherty??
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 10:07:56 PMPeople have said a 90 average Defender = a 115 average Mid.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 07:08:22 PMso that one is more unfair then the one negged?Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:58:55 PMYes, ;)
What offer torps
Zach merret for docherty??
explain how so?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 10:06:06 PMso if bell keeps fwd status does it become a neg then?
Well any 89 mid + a top 10 pick
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 10:15:27 PMThen again, we never said Bell + N8 was worth Ward :o. I don't know where you got that from JB haha. But I did say if Shiel = Ward, we'd still have to give more to net Hooker, as even if you spin it, he's a #15 defender going into next year. Moscow were giving #70 for Newton (Newton worth more than 70 as well), which is why I said a depth player or something else from Moscow would get the deal over. Given, I didn't mind it but being a Co-Coach you hear a different take on things so took that into consideration.
Well bingo, thats what Beijing want to do.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 10:17:14 PMQuote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 10:07:56 PMPeople have said a 90 average Defender = a 115 average Mid.Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 07:08:22 PMso that one is more unfair then the one negged?Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:58:55 PMYes, ;)
What offer torps
Zach merret for docherty??
explain how so?
Both Merrett and Docherty average 90, but Merrett is a Mid and Dochers Def. :P Dochers is also younger, and would be improving more than Hooker if you want to compare the two trades,
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 06:40:14 PMnever said he was his just one i like being a bomber
So Daz, are you suggesting Heppell is a super prem but Ward isn't? Not sure how you think Heppell would be fair but Ward isn't, but I guess that's a classic example of how we all have different views :)
Me personally, I'd take Ward over Heppell every day of the week
And Torp, yes ONE coach said you lose but FIVE said Beijing lose, hence my comments :)
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 10:40:51 PM
never said he was his just one i like being a bomber
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2015, 11:23:11 PMI do. However, I don't think we'll be able to pay what he's worth.
Anyone want Jake Stringer?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
Way too much over analysis going on hereQuote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 10:40:51 PM
never said he was his just one i like being a bomber
You didn't say Hep was a super prem, but you did say you would have passed the trade if it was Hepp and not Ward being offered, so it's the same thing - rating Hep above Ward by that much to change your decision when Hepp is not THAT much better than Ward at all
Whether Hooker is 25 or 27 is irrelevant. He is still in the peak of his career and besides TMac nearly every other higher averaging defender is older than him. It's not like the midfield where there are plenty of young premiums.
A 27 year old premium defender holds a fair bit of worth IMO, but at the same time Ward is Captain material.
I'd say Beijing paid quite a bit for Ward, but at the same time you need to ask yourself - how many Premium Mids like Ward are A) on the table, and B) being traded where a premium mid is not being returned?
Moscow might appear to be winning, but did you factor in the massive hole in their midfield by losing Ward and not getting a replacement for him/losing a captain option? They get a starting defender, Pick 8 that isn't guaranteed to be anything and Bell who is most likely depth
At the end of the day, there are pro's and con's for both teams with this trade, but one team was not getting a massive win over another IMO, and as long as that doesn't happen a trade should pass.
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2015, 11:28:49 PMCan we have these guys plus those mentioned earlier for a packet of chips?
Anyone want Zac Dawson? Joel Patfull? Pick 91?
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 11:30:52 PMFor a moment thought you meant like, physically, how much crap one can pass through their poopmaker
but will admit this off season had pissed me off with all the crap
so to everyone's happiness i will not even think and pass all trades saves going through having to basically explain myself
(not me having a sook or anything simply over the crap of one can pass one cannot if we pass them all everyone happy)
Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 11:34:06 PMoh no i can do a fair bit myself so know it is possible ;)Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 11:30:52 PMFor a moment thought you meant like, physically, how much crap one can pass through their poopmaker
but will admit this off season had pissed me off with all the crap
so to everyone's happiness i will not even think and pass all trades saves going through having to basically explain myself
(not me having a sook or anything simply over the crap of one can pass one cannot if we pass them all everyone happy)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
Way too much over analysis going on hereQuote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 10:40:51 PM
never said he was his just one i like being a bomber
You didn't say Hep was a super prem, but you did say you would have passed the trade if it was Hepp and not Ward being offered, so it's the same thing - rating Hep above Ward by that much to change your decision when Hepp is not THAT much better than Ward at all
Whether Hooker is 25 or 27 is irrelevant. He is still in the peak of his career and besides TMac nearly every other higher averaging defender is older than him. It's not like the midfield where there are plenty of young premiums.
A 27 year old premium defender holds a fair bit of worth IMO, but at the same time Ward is Captain material.
I'd say Beijing paid quite a bit for Ward, but at the same time you need to ask yourself - how many Premium Mids like Ward are A) on the table, and B) being traded where a premium mid is not being returned?
Moscow might appear to be winning, but did you factor in the massive hole in their midfield by losing Ward and not getting a replacement for him/losing a captain option? They get a starting defender, Pick 8 that isn't guaranteed to be anything and Bell who is most likely depth
At the end of the day, there are pro's and con's for both teams with this trade, but one team was not getting a massive win over another IMO, and as long as that doesn't happen a trade should pass.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 05, 2015, 02:56:22 AMWell actually it was Memph, because Toga and I/Jukes both agreed to the offer.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
Way too much over analysis going on hereQuote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 10:40:51 PM
never said he was his just one i like being a bomber
You didn't say Hep was a super prem, but you did say you would have passed the trade if it was Hepp and not Ward being offered, so it's the same thing - rating Hep above Ward by that much to change your decision when Hepp is not THAT much better than Ward at all
Whether Hooker is 25 or 27 is irrelevant. He is still in the peak of his career and besides TMac nearly every other higher averaging defender is older than him. It's not like the midfield where there are plenty of young premiums.
A 27 year old premium defender holds a fair bit of worth IMO, but at the same time Ward is Captain material.
I'd say Beijing paid quite a bit for Ward, but at the same time you need to ask yourself - how many Premium Mids like Ward are A) on the table, and B) being traded where a premium mid is not being returned?
Moscow might appear to be winning, but did you factor in the massive hole in their midfield by losing Ward and not getting a replacement for him/losing a captain option? They get a starting defender, Pick 8 that isn't guaranteed to be anything and Bell who is most likely depth
At the end of the day, there are pro's and con's for both teams with this trade, but one team was not getting a massive win over another IMO, and as long as that doesn't happen a trade should pass.
So far Mundy, Liberatore, Gaff, Prestia, Cotchin, Redden, J Lewis, M Murphy, Boak, B Ellis, Montagna, Treloar, T Adams, and Macrae have all changed clubs this off season.
As has Stefan Martin who was in the top 15 scorers last year.
So there are a lot of quality mids/captain options on the table for the right price.
This was not the right price for Ward.
Quote from: Nige on November 05, 2015, 02:20:50 PM
If anyone is selling decent mids at a reasonable price and not overvaluing them, please PM me. :)
Quote from: Nige on November 05, 2015, 02:20:50 PMWard is going pretty cheap atm
If anyone is selling decent mids at a reasonable price and not overvaluing them, please PM me. :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 05, 2015, 02:25:30 PMI'm not. I never have. I never will. :PQuote from: Nige on November 05, 2015, 02:20:50 PM
If anyone is selling decent mids at a reasonable price and not overvaluing them, please PM me. :)
Don't expect any PM's lol
Quote from: Ricochet on November 03, 2015, 12:41:06 PMWill throw up JLloyd as well for a better mid
N12 + Hrovat could possibly be on the table atm. Looking for a decent mid
Quote from: Toga on November 06, 2015, 05:45:36 PM
Wtf, I thought Picken was like 23-24 for some reason! :P
Quote from: Toga on November 06, 2015, 05:45:36 PMAnd ppl worry that the return of Libba will affect Wallis... There's a few older boys in that Bullies group that will move on soon
Wtf, I thought Picken was like 23-24 for some reason! :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 05:45:03 PM
Been off the forum for a couple days just so I can focus on my last exam and to take a breather from "the drama", so shall get to everyone that has PMed me eventually.
Once the drafting period is over, and everything goes somewhat quiet, I'm feeling like I'll put the trade voting system up to a vote; seeing as there has been an influx of complaining.
What I will say though, is that I will GUARANTEE there would be complaining at whatever the system we use, so I'm like, if that's the case, why not just keep it as is? Maybe it's our attitudes that should change?
The complaining about trades really showers me tbh. The effort that goes behind that complaining would be more than enough to go away and fix your trade in no time. The whole song and dance by some I just don't get; renegotiating trades just shouldn't create a fuss, and all this moaning and negativity is totally unnecessary and has a deflating effect to be part of the comp.
But any-ways, moving on, the trade period only has 9 days left :o :o :o very curious to see how a few teams have changed their line-ups over the last month :)
Quote from: Holz on November 06, 2015, 05:47:39 PMQuote from: Toga on November 06, 2015, 05:45:36 PM
Wtf, I thought Picken was like 23-24 for some reason! :P
oops so did it. i thought he was like 26-27
dont worry about my PM RD.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:31:57 PMQuote from: Holz on November 06, 2015, 05:47:39 PMQuote from: Toga on November 06, 2015, 05:45:36 PM
Wtf, I thought Picken was like 23-24 for some reason! :P
oops so did it. i thought he was like 26-27
dont worry about my PM RD.
Like I said, if Kieran Jack and Hrovat are worth Pick 2, then Picken should be worth Pick 5 from you ;)
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Even say if I was deciding on all the trades by myself, I guarantee you I would get the hate of allowing some trades through and not allowing other trades through. I don't want to have face the full brunt of other peoples crap, to be honest.
Quote from: GoLions on November 06, 2015, 06:49:37 PM
I'll put my hand up to neg all of RD's trades if needed
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Yeah - this committee outside of WXVs to judge on trades is impossible btw.
They would need to not be a coach of a team, understand how WXVs works and have a working knowledge of the teams involved.
How many coaches are passionate enough to do that, that aren't already part of WXVs? Not enough to make a committee IMO.
Even say if I was deciding on all the trades by myself, I guarantee you I would get the hate of allowing some trades through and not allowing other trades through. I don't want to have face the full brunt of other peoples crap, to be honest.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 06, 2015, 06:49:09 PM
u say the complaining will be just as bad
but
the admin system works fairly well in other comps and tbh way less drama
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 06, 2015, 06:49:09 PMI beg to differ.
u say the complaining will be just as bad
but
the admin system works fairly well in other comps and tbh way less drama
Quote from: Holz on November 06, 2015, 06:51:59 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Yeah - this committee outside of WXVs to judge on trades is impossible btw.
They would need to not be a coach of a team, understand how WXVs works and have a working knowledge of the teams involved.
How many coaches are passionate enough to do that, that aren't already part of WXVs? Not enough to make a committee IMO.
Even say if I was deciding on all the trades by myself, I guarantee you I would get the hate of allowing some trades through and not allowing other trades through. I don't want to have face the full brunt of other peoples crap, to be honest.
solution
Holz decides all trades.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: Holz on November 06, 2015, 06:51:59 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Yeah - this committee outside of WXVs to judge on trades is impossible btw.
They would need to not be a coach of a team, understand how WXVs works and have a working knowledge of the teams involved.
How many coaches are passionate enough to do that, that aren't already part of WXVs? Not enough to make a committee IMO.
Even say if I was deciding on all the trades by myself, I guarantee you I would get the hate of allowing some trades through and not allowing other trades through. I don't want to have face the full brunt of other peoples crap, to be honest.
solution
Holz decides all trades.
Fair to say you'd be the last person nominated haha
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:50:37 PMNah Nige is gone, myself and Marlon will be joining Polo to start a new dynasty at Karen. All shall bow down before us. Long live Karen.Quote from: GoLions on November 06, 2015, 06:49:37 PM
I'll put my hand up to neg all of RD's trades if needed
Sorry, only coaches can vote :P
Quote from: Ricochet on November 06, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
And ppl don't complain when you're trade gets negged, just fix it.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
Potato Potata :-*
So once the trade period ends, we go to the NAT draft and then the Rookie/PSD draft and then we lodge our list of 40 + rookies right?
And we can pass on our picks in NAT/Rookie&PSD drafts too right?
Quote from: Holz on November 06, 2015, 06:54:43 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: Holz on November 06, 2015, 06:51:59 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Yeah - this committee outside of WXVs to judge on trades is impossible btw.
They would need to not be a coach of a team, understand how WXVs works and have a working knowledge of the teams involved.
How many coaches are passionate enough to do that, that aren't already part of WXVs? Not enough to make a committee IMO.
Even say if I was deciding on all the trades by myself, I guarantee you I would get the hate of allowing some trades through and not allowing other trades through. I don't want to have face the full brunt of other peoples crap, to be honest.
solution
Holz decides all trades.
Fair to say you'd be the last person nominated haha
to be fair.
1. already do it in the Euro
2. decent SC history
3. decent XV history
its not crazy.
Quote from: GoLions on November 06, 2015, 06:55:30 PM
Also rip Nige
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:57:22 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 06, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
And ppl don't complain when you're trade gets negged, just fix it.
It really should be this.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
Potato Potata :-*
So once the trade period ends, we go to the NAT draft and then the Rookie/PSD draft and then we lodge our list of 40 + rookies right?
And we can pass on our picks in NAT/Rookie&PSD drafts too right?
Yep, remembering you cannot put anyone directly on the rookie list.
You can only pass in the NAT draft. You must end up with 40 senior players, and at least 4 rookies ( I will double check the numbers when the time comes).
Quote from: GoLions on November 06, 2015, 06:55:30 PM(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/wdys.gif)Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:50:37 PMNah Nige is gone, myself and Marlon will be joining Polo to start a new dynasty at Karen. All shall bow down before us. Long live Karen.Quote from: GoLions on November 06, 2015, 06:49:37 PM
I'll put my hand up to neg all of RD's trades if needed
Sorry, only coaches can vote :P
Also rip Nige
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:59:35 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:57:22 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 06, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
And ppl don't complain when you're trade gets negged, just fix it.
It really should be this.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
Potato Potata :-*
So once the trade period ends, we go to the NAT draft and then the Rookie/PSD draft and then we lodge our list of 40 + rookies right?
And we can pass on our picks in NAT/Rookie&PSD drafts too right?
Yep, remembering you cannot put anyone directly on the rookie list.
You can only pass in the NAT draft. You must end up with 40 senior players, and at least 4 rookies ( I will double check the numbers when the time comes).
Oh, so only existing players from this season can go onto our rookie list? Everyone we draft has to go onto our senior list of 40? That doesn't sound right, or have I misread what you meant?
Quote from: Ricochet on November 06, 2015, 06:53:47 PMAlso if a trade is that terrible that your going to neg it maybe shoot the coaches a pm saying it's a bit wrong. That way they have a chance to possibly fix it up before votes get sent out. Or ignore you :P
Just leave it as is.
And ppl don't complain when you're trade gets negged, just fix it.
Quote from: meow meow on November 06, 2015, 07:37:09 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:59:35 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:57:22 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 06, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
And ppl don't complain when you're trade gets negged, just fix it.
It really should be this.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
Potato Potata :-*
So once the trade period ends, we go to the NAT draft and then the Rookie/PSD draft and then we lodge our list of 40 + rookies right?
And we can pass on our picks in NAT/Rookie&PSD drafts too right?
Yep, remembering you cannot put anyone directly on the rookie list.
You can only pass in the NAT draft. You must end up with 40 senior players, and at least 4 rookies ( I will double check the numbers when the time comes).
Oh, so only existing players from this season can go onto our rookie list? Everyone we draft has to go onto our senior list of 40? That doesn't sound right, or have I misread what you meant?
The only way you can get players onto your rookie list is through the rookie draft, unless they were already on your rookie list in 2015. You can't move senior listed players to your rookie list. You'd have to delist them, then reselect them in the rookie draft if available.
If you have 40 players on your senior list you won't get any PSD picks. PSD picks go onto your senior list.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 10:12:38 PMIf you want to rookie someone from your senior list, you have to delist them and then pick them up in the rookie draftQuote from: meow meow on November 06, 2015, 07:37:09 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:59:35 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:57:22 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 06, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
And ppl don't complain when you're trade gets negged, just fix it.
It really should be this.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
Potato Potata :-*
So once the trade period ends, we go to the NAT draft and then the Rookie/PSD draft and then we lodge our list of 40 + rookies right?
And we can pass on our picks in NAT/Rookie&PSD drafts too right?
Yep, remembering you cannot put anyone directly on the rookie list.
You can only pass in the NAT draft. You must end up with 40 senior players, and at least 4 rookies ( I will double check the numbers when the time comes).
Oh, so only existing players from this season can go onto our rookie list? Everyone we draft has to go onto our senior list of 40? That doesn't sound right, or have I misread what you meant?
The only way you can get players onto your rookie list is through the rookie draft, unless they were already on your rookie list in 2015. You can't move senior listed players to your rookie list. You'd have to delist them, then reselect them in the rookie draft if available.
If you have 40 players on your senior list you won't get any PSD picks. PSD picks go onto your senior list.
Has that changed? I remember we had Nathan Brown on the rookie list this year and has wasn't the season before I think
Why can't we just have 44-45 players and decide who we want on the rookie list? We had Mitchell White on the rookie list this year but are elevating him to senior list which I'm assuming is fine, but someone like teia Miles who we had on the senior list this year your saying we cannot rookie list now?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 10:12:38 PMQuote from: meow meow on November 06, 2015, 07:37:09 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:59:35 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 06, 2015, 06:57:22 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 06, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
And ppl don't complain when you're trade gets negged, just fix it.
It really should be this.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
Potato Potata :-*
So once the trade period ends, we go to the NAT draft and then the Rookie/PSD draft and then we lodge our list of 40 + rookies right?
And we can pass on our picks in NAT/Rookie&PSD drafts too right?
Yep, remembering you cannot put anyone directly on the rookie list.
You can only pass in the NAT draft. You must end up with 40 senior players, and at least 4 rookies ( I will double check the numbers when the time comes).
Oh, so only existing players from this season can go onto our rookie list? Everyone we draft has to go onto our senior list of 40? That doesn't sound right, or have I misread what you meant?
The only way you can get players onto your rookie list is through the rookie draft, unless they were already on your rookie list in 2015. You can't move senior listed players to your rookie list. You'd have to delist them, then reselect them in the rookie draft if available.
If you have 40 players on your senior list you won't get any PSD picks. PSD picks go onto your senior list.
Has that changed? I remember we had Nathan Brown on the rookie list this year and has wasn't the season before I think
Why can't we just have 44-45 players and decide who we want on the rookie list? We had Mitchell White on the rookie list this year but are elevating him to senior list which I'm assuming is fine, but someone like teia Miles who we had on the senior list this year your saying we cannot rookie list now?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 10:23:37 PMAlso remember to check this thread last post
Haha Holz
Cheers Meow and Rico. I'll have to go back and see who we had on our rookie list this year
Quote from: Ringo on November 06, 2015, 10:38:50 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 10:23:37 PMAlso remember to check this thread last post
Haha Holz
Cheers Meow and Rico. I'll have to go back and see who we had on our rookie list this year
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,104833.25.html
where we have to delist rookies if they have been on a list 2 years,
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 06:31:57 PMQuote from: Holz on November 06, 2015, 05:47:39 PMQuote from: Toga on November 06, 2015, 05:45:36 PM
Wtf, I thought Picken was like 23-24 for some reason! :P
oops so did it. i thought he was like 26-27
dont worry about my PM RD.
Like I said, if Kieran Jack and Hrovat are worth Pick 2, then Picken should be worth Pick 5 from you ;)
In regards to the voting I think there are 3 solutions:
1. Only Admin votes
2. A Review Committee of 5 coaches, voted on by the rest of the coaches as the 5 they think are the most unbiased and can value trades without an inkling of an agenda or bias, are formed to vote on all trades (Requiring 3 from 5 to pass/neg)
3. Keep as is
And yes, if Option 2 was ever considered I believe I am a solid choice :) (Would not want people outside of WXV voting)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2015, 06:58:43 AM
i think it should be like 8 negative votes minimum to reject a trade
then the close ones with like 4 votes that airnt that bad still go through
think it will solve a ton of problems
just think it needs to be closer to half the coaches voting against it not 4 or 5
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 06, 2015, 10:23:37 PM
Haha Holz
Cheers Meow and Rico. I'll have to go back and see who we had on our rookie list this year
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 07, 2015, 06:38:37 AM
Option 4.
Keep as is but the admin vote doesn't count for 6 votes or whatever it is. Make it 3 votes
The fact a trade can be negged when only 3 of the 18 coaches vote against it is ridiculous imo and is my main complaint with the system.
Or keep as is and add a rule that the admin can only overrule a trade if more than a quarter of coaches not involved in a trade object to it. Which would be 5 neg votes with a two team deal.
Quote from: Holz on November 07, 2015, 09:04:34 AMwell of course all 6 would vote yes so it really is 12 coaches leftQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2015, 06:58:43 AM
i think it should be like 8 negative votes minimum to reject a trade
then the close ones with like 4 votes that airnt that bad still go through
think it will solve a ton of problems
just think it needs to be closer to half the coaches voting against it not 4 or 5
Agreed still abit annoyed the 6 way trade failed with 13/18 coaches approving it.
We should have like 2-3 failing a year the really reslly bad ones. Not 2-3 a week.
90% of trades that fail shouldn't
Quote from: DazBurg on November 07, 2015, 10:41:13 AMQuote from: Holz on November 07, 2015, 09:04:34 AMwell of course all 6 would vote yes so it really is 12 coaches leftQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2015, 06:58:43 AM
i think it should be like 8 negative votes minimum to reject a trade
then the close ones with like 4 votes that airnt that bad still go through
think it will solve a ton of problems
just think it needs to be closer to half the coaches voting against it not 4 or 5
Agreed still abit annoyed the 6 way trade failed with 13/18 coaches approving it.
We should have like 2-3 failing a year the really reslly bad ones. Not 2-3 a week.
90% of trades that fail shouldn't
so if say it was 6 that voted no it is technicality what you just said that
not that say a 9 team trade would happen butt here is a possible loophole if it went tot hat kind of system
but ofc a 9 team one would never happen anyways so besides the point :P
Quote from: Holz on November 07, 2015, 11:36:51 AMyeah i get what your sayingQuote from: DazBurg on November 07, 2015, 10:41:13 AMQuote from: Holz on November 07, 2015, 09:04:34 AMwell of course all 6 would vote yes so it really is 12 coaches leftQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2015, 06:58:43 AM
i think it should be like 8 negative votes minimum to reject a trade
then the close ones with like 4 votes that airnt that bad still go through
think it will solve a ton of problems
just think it needs to be closer to half the coaches voting against it not 4 or 5
Agreed still abit annoyed the 6 way trade failed with 13/18 coaches approving it.
We should have like 2-3 failing a year the really reslly bad ones. Not 2-3 a week.
90% of trades that fail shouldn't
so if say it was 6 that voted no it is technicality what you just said that
not that say a 9 team trade would happen butt here is a possible loophole if it went tot hat kind of system
but ofc a 9 team one would never happen anyways so besides the point :P
I dont think thats fair.
I also voiced my opinion on the parts of the deal that didnt involve me. The other coaches also voiced their opinion on parts that didnt involve them.
Dont feel their votes should be disallowed.
I rejected the 6 way trade by the way on non Dublin parts then told those coaches to fix it up or I would not pass it.
Then my vote wasnt even counted
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 07, 2015, 11:11:54 PMNot for want of trying (Trade with Mexico) RD possibly another 2 going up today as well.
Leaving it to the last minute but good to see London getting busy!
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Quote from: Purple 77 on November 08, 2015, 02:27:12 PM
And we're off!
R23 FOR Jamar + R32 is the offer to beat.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 10, 2015, 01:03:56 AMCan you also reply to my PMs Memph :P
Hey Ringo,
Just a quick question. Did you get my messages regarding a certain player on your list?
I understand if you won't want to trade him but a PM back to say no would have been nice. I think I've sent three now and no response. Happy to up the offer I you want to negotiate. He's now world beater but, a kid I'd like to pick up.
Quote from: GoLions on November 10, 2015, 08:01:39 AMQuote from: Memphistopheles on November 10, 2015, 01:03:56 AMCan you also reply to my PMs Memph :P
Hey Ringo,
Just a quick question. Did you get my messages regarding a certain player on your list?
I understand if you won't want to trade him but a PM back to say no would have been nice. I think I've sent three now and no response. Happy to up the offer I you want to negotiate. He's now world beater but, a kid I'd like to pick up.
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2015, 01:02:36 PM
Then Richmond land both of them as well :P.
Quote from: Holz on November 10, 2015, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2015, 01:02:36 PM
Then Richmond land both of them as well :P.
despite not liking richmond i do like their players.
Yarran Rance Jroo Martin all in my starting 15.
just need lids cotchin.
cotchin might not make my 15 though :P
Quote from: Ricochet on November 10, 2015, 01:21:13 PMQuote from: Holz on November 10, 2015, 01:17:08 PMQuote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2015, 01:02:36 PM
Then Richmond land both of them as well :P.
despite not liking richmond i do like their players.
Yarran Rance Jroo Martin all in my starting 15.
just need lids cotchin.
cotchin might not make my 15 though :P
At first it's a joke, but then you realise it's true
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2015, 02:01:21 PM
good luck getting either of those Holz :P Richmond supporters own them both
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AMNDT will destroy them all
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 11, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
Ah, far out Holz. You don't have Pick 77 >:(
Which means this trade fails:
Trade 77 - 0 votes
Dublin trade: Michael Walters, Pick 77 + Pick 79
Berlin trade: Chris Yarran + Bailey Dale
Trade 77, Pick 77, Purple 77.... you ruined it! :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 11, 2015, 12:09:35 PM:o
Trade 77, Pick 77, Purple 77.... you ruined it! :P
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 12:15:43 PMNah I'd block that now. Dublin giving too much if they give 74 instead of 77Quote from: Purple 77 on November 11, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
Ah, far out Holz. You don't have Pick 77 >:(
Which means this trade fails:
Trade 77 - 0 votes
Dublin trade: Michael Walters, Pick 77 + Pick 79
Berlin trade: Chris Yarran + Bailey Dale
Trade 77, Pick 77, Purple 77.... you ruined it! :P
I had 74 and 79 not 77 and 79
ill give you pick 74 instead.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
Quote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 02:16:20 PM
PNL?
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMhaha and Holz goes whack!Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:18:23 PMWe go about our business quietly. Rarely one for big deals yet can still hang with the big boys!Quote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 02:16:20 PMPNL will be the same right up there at the top, was talking about trade movements and they havent done too much
PNL?
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 02:18:42 PMNo chill.Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMhaha and Holz goes whack!Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:18:23 PMQuote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 02:16:20 PM
PNL?
PNL will be the same right up there at the top, was talking about trade movements and they havent done too much
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMIf GAJ isn't firepower, my whole life is a lie.
even Rio don't have the firepower either
Quote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 02:40:36 PM250-260+ pts right thereQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMIf GAJ isn't firepower, my whole life is a lie.
even Rio don't have the firepower either
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Umm, everyone knows the only teams that have enough fire power are Dublin and Mexico
Christchurch, Berlin and even Rio don't have the firepower either, but it should still be a very interesting year because there are a lot of teams who can push for Top 4
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 02:43:21 PMQuote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 02:40:36 PM250-260+ pts right thereQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMIf GAJ isn't firepower, my whole life is a lie.
even Rio don't have the firepower either
Quote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 02:48:39 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 02:43:21 PMQuote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 02:40:36 PM250-260+ pts right thereQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMIf GAJ isn't firepower, my whole life is a lie.
even Rio don't have the firepower either
378 against us this year, which was more than my 4 starting mids.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:46:24 PMhaha no team can look scary with Heath Hocking startingQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Umm, everyone knows the only teams that have enough fire power are Dublin and Mexico
Christchurch, Berlin and even Rio don't have the firepower either, but it should still be a very interesting year because there are a lot of teams who can push for Top 4
completely diagree I can see 5 teams that can beat me in a finals game Saints, Brewers, Rio, PNL and Mexico.
M Hibberd, J MacMillan,S.Burgoyne, L Henderson/ M Johnson
N Fyfe, J Steven, T Liberatore, B Crouch
M Gawn
C Dixon, L Jetta, D Petrie, M.Walters
J Viney, H Hocking
that team if on is scary.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:52:15 PMAdd NDT when Stefan does a Goldy ;)Quote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 02:48:39 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 02:43:21 PMQuote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 02:40:36 PM250-260+ pts right thereQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMIf GAJ isn't firepower, my whole life is a lie.
even Rio don't have the firepower either
378 against us this year, which was more than my 4 starting mids.
you can never underestimate a beast captain. Goldy saved me a few times this year. If Goldy played round 23 I would have another premiership.
cant sleep on Berlin (Fyfe) or Rio (Ablett), Mexico if they didnt have Rocky i wouldnt have them on my worry list.
PNL and Saints dont have a guy like that which makes them slightly less of a worry.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2015, 03:06:04 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:46:24 PMhaha no team can look scary with Heath Hocking startingQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Umm, everyone knows the only teams that have enough fire power are Dublin and Mexico
Christchurch, Berlin and even Rio don't have the firepower either, but it should still be a very interesting year because there are a lot of teams who can push for Top 4
completely diagree I can see 5 teams that can beat me in a finals game Saints, Brewers, Rio, PNL and Mexico.
M Hibberd, J MacMillan,S.Burgoyne, L Henderson/ M Johnson
N Fyfe, J Steven, T Liberatore, B Crouch
M Gawn
C Dixon, L Jetta, D Petrie, M.Walters
J Viney, H Hocking
that team if on is scary.
But they have just added Fisher, Burgoyne, LeCras and Stanton so looking even more scary :P
Quote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 03:13:11 PM
The 5 man leadership group isn't great for me. No standout captain so I liked to throw it around and give it to a guy who I think should do well that week. Elliott, Stringer, McKernan.
4 of Boyd, Griffen, McVeigh, Watson, Gibbs, Mitchell, Hartlett, Sandilands, Montagna will have to miss out, which is funny since all but Hartlett have been either captain or VC in the AFL.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
Also does this mean captain loophole wont work anymore (well only if someone in your leadership group isnt playing)
Quote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 03:28:03 PMYou forgot the luck of the Irish
In the name of Dayne Beams, Shane Mumford and Luke Dunstan, amen.
Quote from: Toga on November 11, 2015, 03:27:45 PMQuote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
Also does this mean captain loophole wont work anymore (well only if someone in your leadership group isnt playing)
This is the biggest oversight that people made when voting it in I think... Pretty sure it won't work if your loophole player isn't in the leadership group!
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 11, 2015, 03:40:26 PMMeatlovers?
PNL's Leadership group probably: Priddis, Swan, Shiel, Hodge and Wingard/Rioli for some pizzazz.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 03:19:12 PMQuote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2015, 03:06:04 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:46:24 PMhaha no team can look scary with Heath Hocking startingQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Umm, everyone knows the only teams that have enough fire power are Dublin and Mexico
Christchurch, Berlin and even Rio don't have the firepower either, but it should still be a very interesting year because there are a lot of teams who can push for Top 4
completely diagree I can see 5 teams that can beat me in a finals game Saints, Brewers, Rio, PNL and Mexico.
M Hibberd, J MacMillan,S.Burgoyne, L Henderson/ M Johnson
N Fyfe, J Steven, T Liberatore, B Crouch
M Gawn
C Dixon, L Jetta, D Petrie, M.Walters
J Viney, H Hocking
that team if on is scary.
But they have just added Fisher, Burgoyne, LeCras and Stanton so looking even more scary :P
oops missed Stanton was supposed to be him not Hocking and yes Lecras adds alot.
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 03:53:19 PMNeed a ruckQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 03:19:12 PMQuote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2015, 03:06:04 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:46:24 PMhaha no team can look scary with Heath Hocking startingQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Umm, everyone knows the only teams that have enough fire power are Dublin and Mexico
Christchurch, Berlin and even Rio don't have the firepower either, but it should still be a very interesting year because there are a lot of teams who can push for Top 4
completely diagree I can see 5 teams that can beat me in a finals game Saints, Brewers, Rio, PNL and Mexico.
M Hibberd, J MacMillan,S.Burgoyne, L Henderson/ M Johnson
N Fyfe, J Steven, T Liberatore, B Crouch
M Gawn
C Dixon, L Jetta, D Petrie, M.Walters
J Viney, H Hocking
that team if on is scary.
But they have just added Fisher, Burgoyne, LeCras and Stanton so looking even more scary :P
oops missed Stanton was supposed to be him not Hocking and yes Lecras adds alot.
Shaw, Houli, T.McDonald, Gibson
Mundy, Lewis, T.Adams, Hill
Bellchambers
Tippett, Kennedy, Waite, White
Picken, Duncan.
Not too bad. maybe a forward short. Menzel or Vardy could well be F4 come end of next season if they can stay fit.
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 03:53:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 03:19:12 PMQuote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2015, 03:06:04 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:46:24 PMhaha no team can look scary with Heath Hocking startingQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:35:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 02:17:38 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 02:15:03 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
going to be interesting next year.
Berlin going very very old.
Dublin going younger
Mexico going younger but ripping people off so still super strong :P
Rio picking up some premo scorers and coming back from injury
Christchurch can only get better with time
Don't discount New York either. Pacific, Moscow and even Beijing too
Should be an exciting year
I am though dont think you have what it takes to compete. not enough fire power.
Umm, everyone knows the only teams that have enough fire power are Dublin and Mexico
Christchurch, Berlin and even Rio don't have the firepower either, but it should still be a very interesting year because there are a lot of teams who can push for Top 4
completely diagree I can see 5 teams that can beat me in a finals game Saints, Brewers, Rio, PNL and Mexico.
M Hibberd, J MacMillan,S.Burgoyne, L Henderson/ M Johnson
N Fyfe, J Steven, T Liberatore, B Crouch
M Gawn
C Dixon, L Jetta, D Petrie, M.Walters
J Viney, H Hocking
that team if on is scary.
But they have just added Fisher, Burgoyne, LeCras and Stanton so looking even more scary :P
oops missed Stanton was supposed to be him not Hocking and yes Lecras adds alot.
Shaw, Houli, T.McDonald, Gibson
Mundy, Lewis, T.Adams, Hill
Bellchambers
Tippett, Kennedy, Waite, White
Picken, Duncan.
Not too bad. maybe a forward short. Menzel or Vardy could well be F4 come end of next season if they can stay fit.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 03:59:44 PM
issue is ruck and mundy shaw your only captain options. Lewis is meh, now if you had bennell then maybe ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 05:50:39 PM
Done well there Toges. That midfield 8)
Don't think i've mentioned it to you but Neale is probably expendable now ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Yeah I don't think I would be starting White. Vardy, Menzel or Andrew Walker if he gets FWD status are better options
As for rucks - Tippett should get DPP and he does very well for a ruck
Last 8 games of the year when he was doing more ruck work - 118, 49, 165, 86, 64, 157, 118, 119
More than happy for you to fob us off, but I believe our team has more potential than what it's being given credit for.
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 05:53:20 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Yeah I don't think I would be starting White. Vardy, Menzel or Andrew Walker if he gets FWD status are better options
As for rucks - Tippett should get DPP and he does very well for a ruck
Last 8 games of the year when he was doing more ruck work - 118, 49, 165, 86, 64, 157, 118, 119
More than happy for you to fob us off, but I believe our team has more potential than what it's being given credit for.
prove us wrong in the season. words mean nothing when you arrive at game day.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:06:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 05:53:20 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Yeah I don't think I would be starting White. Vardy, Menzel or Andrew Walker if he gets FWD status are better options
As for rucks - Tippett should get DPP and he does very well for a ruck
Last 8 games of the year when he was doing more ruck work - 118, 49, 165, 86, 64, 157, 118, 119
More than happy for you to fob us off, but I believe our team has more potential than what it's being given credit for.
prove us wrong in the season. words mean nothing when you arrive at game day.
LOL what a stupid comment.
Have a read over of what I said - I simply said we have more potential than what we are being given credit for. POTENTIAL - didn't say we are going to dominate or similar
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:06:24 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 05:53:20 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Yeah I don't think I would be starting White. Vardy, Menzel or Andrew Walker if he gets FWD status are better options
As for rucks - Tippett should get DPP and he does very well for a ruck
Last 8 games of the year when he was doing more ruck work - 118, 49, 165, 86, 64, 157, 118, 119
More than happy for you to fob us off, but I believe our team has more potential than what it's being given credit for.
prove us wrong in the season. words mean nothing when you arrive at game day.
LOL what a stupid comment.
Have a read over of what I said - I simply said we have more potential than what we are being given credit for. POTENTIAL - didn't say we are going to dominate or similar
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 11, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PMVardy at 80, Mundy at 115 are generous. Rest are ok though
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PM
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Quote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 07:01:12 PMWasn't it like Treloar, Libba and Macrae originally? :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Actually dont even like bennell I just dislike Lewis more.
Treloar is the guy I love
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:06:38 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 07:01:12 PMWasn't it like Treloar, Libba and Macrae originally? :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Actually dont even like bennell I just dislike Lewis more.
Treloar is the guy I love
Their new backline is pretty ridic now though. We don't have one guy over 90ave in defence
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 07:15:39 PMReally? What was the original forward line??Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:06:38 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 07:01:12 PMWasn't it like Treloar, Libba and Macrae originally? :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Actually dont even like bennell I just dislike Lewis more.
Treloar is the guy I love
Their new backline is pretty ridic now though. We don't have one guy over 90ave in defence
Yeah it was but we had 2 OOP forwards every week in that 1st year we took over.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:18:51 PMTheir R17 forward line in 2014 was F: T.Cloke, A.Black, A.Christensen (OOP), M.Pyke (OOP)Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 07:15:39 PMReally? What was the original forward line??Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:06:38 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 07:01:12 PMWasn't it like Treloar, Libba and Macrae originally? :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Actually dont even like bennell I just dislike Lewis more.
Treloar is the guy I love
Their new backline is pretty ridic now though. We don't have one guy over 90ave in defence
Yeah it was but we had 2 OOP forwards every week in that 1st year we took over.
Quote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 07:22:13 PMYuck. Where was Bennell? Forgot Christensen was a fwd this year and not last yearQuote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:18:51 PMTheir R17 forward line in 2014 was F: T.Cloke, A.Black, A.Christensen (OOP), M.Pyke (OOP)Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 07:15:39 PMReally? What was the original forward line??Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:06:38 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 07:01:12 PMWasn't it like Treloar, Libba and Macrae originally? :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Actually dont even like bennell I just dislike Lewis more.
Treloar is the guy I love
Their new backline is pretty ridic now though. We don't have one guy over 90ave in defence
Yeah it was but we had 2 OOP forwards every week in that 1st year we took over.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:25:05 PMQuote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 07:22:13 PMYuck. Where was Bennell? Forgot Christensen was a fwd this year and not last yearQuote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:18:51 PMTheir R17 forward line in 2014 was F: T.Cloke, A.Black, A.Christensen (OOP), M.Pyke (OOP)Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 07:15:39 PMReally? What was the original forward line??Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:06:38 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 07:01:12 PMWasn't it like Treloar, Libba and Macrae originally? :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Actually dont even like bennell I just dislike Lewis more.
Treloar is the guy I love
Their new backline is pretty ridic now though. We don't have one guy over 90ave in defence
Yeah it was but we had 2 OOP forwards every week in that 1st year we took over.
Quote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 07:16:33 PMGuessing the gap would be bigger if you added in the 1-2 bench players from each line
Roberton 95, Picken 100, Dempster 80, Gilbert 80
Mitchell 210, Gibbs 85, Boyd 105, Shuey 95
Sandi 105
Zorko 100, Stringer 80, Elliott 80, Dickson 75
Hartlett 100, Scully 85
1475
Boyd 105, Griff 90, McVeigh 95, Gilbert 80
Mitchell 210, Gibbs 100, Watson 105, Hartlett 100
Sandi 105
Stringer 85, Breust 85, Dickson 75, Reid 75
Montagna 105, Stevens 85
1500
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 07:26:55 PMAh right. Same as KStevensQuote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:25:05 PMQuote from: Nige on November 11, 2015, 07:22:13 PMYuck. Where was Bennell? Forgot Christensen was a fwd this year and not last yearQuote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:18:51 PMTheir R17 forward line in 2014 was F: T.Cloke, A.Black, A.Christensen (OOP), M.Pyke (OOP)Quote from: AaronKirk on November 11, 2015, 07:15:39 PMReally? What was the original forward line??Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:06:38 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 07:01:12 PMWasn't it like Treloar, Libba and Macrae originally? :oQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:59:19 PMQuote from: Holz on November 11, 2015, 06:55:18 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
Shaw (105) Tmac (90) Houli (90) Gibson (90)
Mundy (230) Lewis (105) Adams (105) Duncan (105)
Bellchambers (70)
Tippett (90) JJK (85) Waite (80) Vardy (80)
Hill (95) Picken (95)
That's 1515, and I would think most of those predicted averages are slightly on the conservative side, hence our potential
I think we can go 1400-1600 and that's a pretty damn good effort from where we were 12 months ago
I was about to say your being very generous with your predictions.
I actually love your list 12 months ago
Your never ending boner for Bennell will always have you think that. We traded him, move on
Funny you say my predictions are overs when nearly all of them are equal or lower than what they averaged this year
Anyway, time to cast your reel in someone else's direction
Actually dont even like bennell I just dislike Lewis more.
Treloar is the guy I love
Their new backline is pretty ridic now though. We don't have one guy over 90ave in defence
Yeah it was but we had 2 OOP forwards every week in that 1st year we took over.
Mid only in 2014. Got DPP last season.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2015, 07:27:34 PMQuote from: meow meow on November 11, 2015, 07:16:33 PMGuessing the gap would be bigger if you added in the 1-2 bench players from each line
Roberton 95, Picken 100, Dempster 80, Gilbert 80
Mitchell 210, Gibbs 85, Boyd 105, Shuey 95
Sandi 105
Zorko 100, Stringer 80, Elliott 80, Dickson 75
Hartlett 100, Scully 85
1475
Boyd 105, Griff 90, McVeigh 95, Gilbert 80
Mitchell 210, Gibbs 100, Watson 105, Hartlett 100
Sandi 105
Stringer 85, Breust 85, Dickson 75, Reid 75
Montagna 105, Stevens 85
1500
I'll need to have a look at NDT. We only averaged 1075 last year :'(
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 11, 2015, 07:58:48 PM
nobody cares about Seoul
:'(
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2015, 07:46:45 PMI honestly couldn't agree more. I've always said this myself. I've never agreed with the whole "they won't be in our team when we're challenging for the premiership" notion, but I do understand the logic behind it.
but I do think youth is probably the most overrated thing in world's.
Quote from: Vinny on November 11, 2015, 09:12:32 PM
I've got us at about 1420 give or take, having the captain in Pendles obviously helps. Defence and forward line still not up to scratch and depth needs work.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 11, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
theres a option right down the bottom on mobile i think to view normal site
Quote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 01:25:01 AMFor the last time meow, Simon White is not on the table
Just offered Jake Lever + Jack Steele + Connor Blakely + Alex Neal-Bullen + Corey Ellis + Aaron vandenBerg + Kyle Langford + Conor McKenna + Dillon Viojo-Rainbow + Harrison Wigg + Daniel McKenzie + Mason Cox + Ivan Soldo for one player :o
Quote from: Ricochet on November 12, 2015, 01:35:06 AMQuote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 01:25:01 AMFor the last time meow, Simon White is not on the table
Just offered Jake Lever + Jack Steele + Connor Blakely + Alex Neal-Bullen + Corey Ellis + Aaron vandenBerg + Kyle Langford + Conor McKenna + Dillon Viojo-Rainbow + Harrison Wigg + Daniel McKenzie + Mason Cox + Ivan Soldo for one player :o
Quote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 01:36:02 AMReally was a rookie mistakeQuote from: Ricochet on November 12, 2015, 01:35:06 AMQuote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 01:25:01 AMFor the last time meow, Simon White is not on the table
Just offered Jake Lever + Jack Steele + Connor Blakely + Alex Neal-Bullen + Corey Ellis + Aaron vandenBerg + Kyle Langford + Conor McKenna + Dillon Viojo-Rainbow + Harrison Wigg + Daniel McKenzie + Mason Cox + Ivan Soldo for one player :o
I feel so bad about delisting him last year though :'(
Quote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 01:25:01 AMYou'd only let go off all your draftees last year for a big name. Who has Dawson again? :P
Just offered Jake Lever + Jack Steele + Connor Blakely + Alex Neal-Bullen + Corey Ellis + Aaron vandenBerg + Kyle Langford + Conor McKenna + Dillon Viojo-Rainbow + Harrison Wigg + Daniel McKenzie + Mason Cox + Ivan Soldo for one player :o
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2015, 01:59:22 AMQuote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 01:25:01 AMYou'd only let go off all your draftees last year for a big name. Who has Dawson again? :P
Just offered Jake Lever + Jack Steele + Connor Blakely + Alex Neal-Bullen + Corey Ellis + Aaron vandenBerg + Kyle Langford + Conor McKenna + Dillon Viojo-Rainbow + Harrison Wigg + Daniel McKenzie + Mason Cox + Ivan Soldo for one player :o
Quote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 10:03:27 AMQuote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2015, 01:59:22 AMQuote from: meow meow on November 12, 2015, 01:25:01 AMYou'd only let go off all your draftees last year for a big name. Who has Dawson again? :P
Just offered Jake Lever + Jack Steele + Connor Blakely + Alex Neal-Bullen + Corey Ellis + Aaron vandenBerg + Kyle Langford + Conor McKenna + Dillon Viojo-Rainbow + Harrison Wigg + Daniel McKenzie + Mason Cox + Ivan Soldo for one player :o
I do and I should have thrown him in too since my offer was declined!
Quote from: Ricochet on November 12, 2015, 01:57:39 AMThis could go today if the offer is right.
Considering throwing up PSD2 for the best offer.
Remember PSD picks get first look at this years rookies.
You'll be looking at 2016 versions of Adam Saad, Aaron VandenBerg, Kane Lambert
Can look at players, nat picks or pick upgrades
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 11:54:16 AMok KB
not as good a salesmen as holz
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 12, 2015, 11:38:14 AMYou're welcome ;) Don't have to pump them up to much, there's some gold in that draft
Keep pumping up PSD2 Rico - helps that we have PSD 1 8)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
not as good a salesmen as holz
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 12, 2015, 12:59:52 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
not as good a salesmen as holz
Holz is a used car salesman - only gullible people fall for his antics :P
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 12, 2015, 01:03:44 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 12, 2015, 12:59:52 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
not as good a salesmen as holz
Holz is a used car salesman - only gullible people fall for his antics :P
Haven't you done abit of trading with Holz? :P
Quote from: Holz on November 12, 2015, 01:14:20 PM
In the last two trade periods what unfair trades have i done?
I could do them but dont anymore. Was abit different when I wad at the bottom and needed to.
I overpay on most deals now
Quote from: JROO8 on November 12, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
Have told a few people that I won't be trading Sidey, but have received a decent offer for him so willing to listen to offers now
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 12, 2015, 01:15:41 PMQuote from: Holz on November 12, 2015, 01:14:20 PM
In the last two trade periods what unfair trades have i done?
I could do them but dont anymore. Was abit different when I wad at the bottom and needed to.
I overpay on most deals now
Who said you did unfair trades?
KB said Rico wasn't selling as good as you do. We are talking about your "selling" style when you always come here and pump up players etc
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 01:18:12 PM
possibly a big trade coming soon
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
started off about Ric now has turned to be about Holz as usual lol
Quote from: Ricochet on November 12, 2015, 12:38:54 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 11:54:16 AMok KB
not as good a salesmen as holzQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 12, 2015, 11:38:14 AMYou're welcome ;) Don't have to pump them up to much, there's some gold in that draft
Keep pumping up PSD2 Rico - helps that we have PSD 1 8)
Also might add... Isaac Heeney could also be on the table atm :o
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 10:57:52 PMSend me a pm mate ;)Quote from: Ricochet on November 12, 2015, 12:38:54 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 12, 2015, 11:54:16 AMok KB
not as good a salesmen as holzQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 12, 2015, 11:38:14 AMYou're welcome ;) Don't have to pump them up to much, there's some gold in that draft
Keep pumping up PSD2 Rico - helps that we have PSD 1 8)
Also might add... Isaac Heeney could also be on the table atm :o
Wow, way to drop a bombshell in the last couple of days of the trade period!!!!
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 11:19:59 PMyes
Hey I know this has been posted before but, can someone help me with something as I'm computer less during the week at the moment and just on my phone?
What I want to know is regarding the WXV Pre-Season and Rookie drafts.
Am I right in thinking that it works like this?
The Pre-Season draft is BEFORE the rookie draft. In it you can pick any leftover AFL national draftees plus any WXV player delisted plus anyone taken in the AFL rookie draft right? However, you must put them on your main list (you can't put them on your rookie list) in WXV even if they are an AFL rookie.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 11:19:59 PMyep
You also can't make a pick in this draft unless you pass on one or more International Draft picks or unless you have spare spots on your main list after the International draft.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 11:19:59 PMYep that list
How does the Pre-Season draft order then work? Off the list Purple posted in the Discussion thread or in order of who passes first in the International draft. If it's the latter then why is there even an order?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 11:19:59 PMSpot on
Then we have to rookie draft which is the sole and only way to get players on to your rookie list right?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 11:19:59 PMRookie picks yeh
So if a club was going to lose/trade out all its rookies before the rookie draft it would be very beneficial for them to get as many high picks as they could.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 11:19:59 PMNope, PSD picks go on your main list
Or can you put players on your rookie from the Pre-Season draft?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 12, 2015, 11:19:59 PM
But, if that's the only way to get rookies on to your list then why do people have access to them in the Pre-season draft?
Thanks heaps in advance for clarifying this for me.
PS - Can the rules surrounding the draft go in the official rules thread Purple? I looked but couldn't see it there.
Quote from: Adamant on November 12, 2015, 11:34:10 PMHe feels sad bouncing around from team to team after PNL :(.
Spindleshanks. :(
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 13, 2015, 12:46:50 AMyes
So, am I right in assuming that we could use picks 18,19,20,38 and PSD 1 to fill the last 5 spots on our list which means we pass on NAT 64 and PSD 29 and then use our 4 rookie picks to get the required 4 rookies we need?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 13, 2015, 08:40:01 AM
Looks like we probably wont have a need for NAT 64
If anyone can offer a first or second round rookie pick for it, or an upgrade on our first (11) or second (29) rookie pick hit me up
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2015, 02:43:20 PM
Lol.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 14, 2015, 12:19:08 AM
Toronto come out swinging in the last week of the trade period :o
Quote from: My Chumps on November 14, 2015, 02:17:30 PMIf you need a breakdown/explanation on a particular part man, flick me a pm
One team clearly getting the short straw on that three way deal. Dunno if it's enough to reject it tho.
Quote from: My Chumps on November 14, 2015, 02:17:30 PM
One team clearly getting the short straw on that three way deal. Dunno if it's enough to reject it tho.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PMHaha, didn't mean to be cryptic about it. I don't think it's that bad. Probably won't reject it but here's my thoughts:Quote from: My Chumps on November 14, 2015, 02:17:30 PM
One team clearly getting the short straw on that three way deal. Dunno if it's enough to reject it tho.
Instead of saying something like this, why don't you just say who you think is and why? Seems pointless making a comment like that otherwise :-\
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PMVery questionable - 24 y/o that averaged 113 a year ago for a potential gun and a fringe player - but okay, sure.
Heeney + Hrovat for Sidebottom is spot on
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PMFair enough.
Mexico get a replacement (although not as good as Sidey) in Adams and get an upgrade on Hurn to Shaw but downgrade Sidey to Adams and give Grigg as well in order to do so
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PMYeah, you're right, you give up the best defender in the comp and a 22 y/o who just averaged 100 for a promising kid, a 28 y/o SC tease that's coming off his worst season in 8 years and Shaun Grigg, who admittedly is decent although unreliable/unpredictable.
New York give up the best defender in the comp (and top 10 2015 scorer) and get the best young prospect in return. Giving up Adams, a young gun to get Hurn as a (younger) replacement for Shaw and Grigg to start as a Utility makes up for that and gives us solid players for the positions we need filled.
Hurn and Grigg might not get a lot of credit from people around here, but Hurn is capable of averaging 90 and Grigg just did as well which is solid for a Utility
Quote from: elephants on November 14, 2015, 05:40:06 PMYep, and so they should be. Top work lads. 8)
People getting scared of NDT or what!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2015, 05:34:59 PMFrom what i can gather, Mills will be more inside than Heeney so different possies? Both will be guns
Mills will go straight past Heeney this year!
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2015, 05:47:18 PMSo he's worth more than Taylor Adams? The same?
Why does is matter what Heeney averages next year? He's 19? Got plenty of time on his side, and you should know how much young players are worth in this comp.
Quote from: My Chumps on November 14, 2015, 05:54:23 PMQuote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2015, 05:47:18 PMSo he's worth more than Taylor Adams? The same?
Why does is matter what Heeney averages next year? He's 19? Got plenty of time on his side, and you should know how much young players are worth in this comp.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2015, 06:01:29 PM"...could very well match him" - You'd wanna fkn hope so in that deal, struth.
Adams is the better scorer now, but Heeney could very well match him in the next couple of years
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 08:04:44 PM
Heeney would have gone pick 1 last year easily.
Quote from: Toga on November 14, 2015, 08:08:17 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 08:04:44 PM
Heeney would have gone pick 1 last year easily.
He didn't though :P
#petrekt
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PMNo it isn't... :-XQuote from: My Chumps on November 14, 2015, 02:17:30 PM
One team clearly getting the short straw on that three way deal. Dunno if it's enough to reject it tho.
Instead of saying something like this, why don't you just say who you think is and why? Seems pointless making a comment like that otherwise :-\
Heeney + Hrovat for Sidebottom is spot on
Mexico get a replacement (although not as good as Sidey) in Adams and get an upgrade on Hurn to Shaw but downgrade Sidey to Adams and give Grigg as well in order to do so
New York give up the best defender in the comp (and top 10 2015 scorer) and get the best young prospect in return. Giving up Adams, a young gun to get Hurn as a (younger) replacement for Shaw and Grigg to start as a Utility makes up for that and gives us solid players for the positions we need filled
Hurn and Grigg might not get a lot of credit from people around here, but Hurn is capable of averaging 90 and Grigg just did as well which is solid for a Utility
Obviously depends on how you value certain players personally, but the way we value players (the 3 teams involved) see's us all agreeing that this trade is great for all of us and fair
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2015, 09:14:22 PM
I just dont get all these talks about trading out all the young guns for better structures and then to make a trade that loses soo much scoring power.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 08:38:40 PMQuote from: Toga on November 14, 2015, 08:08:17 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2015, 08:04:44 PM
Heeney would have gone pick 1 last year easily.
He didn't though :P
#petrekt
#realdraftnotwxvyourloss
Quote from: Adamant on November 14, 2015, 02:18:37 PM:o
Toronto give: Touk Miller + Taylor Garner
Cape Town give: Scott Selwood + Jake Kelly + Matt Dick
Reasoning: Was looking for a more established midfielder and although I'm getting a risky one in Scooter, hopefully he will be rejuvenated at a new club and can get back somewhat close to his best. Kelly will add to our depth and Dick will fill a hole down back.
Memph/My Chumps to confirm.
Quote from: Jayman on November 14, 2015, 10:58:40 PMhe has to be relevant man. He makes up the difference between heeney and sidey. You can't just discount him. We paid for him in the N2 deal
Hrovat isn't relevant.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 15, 2015, 12:13:33 AMWowee when you put it like that no way is this a fair deal.Quote from: Jayman on November 14, 2015, 10:58:40 PMhe has to be relevant man. He makes up the difference between heeney and sidey. You can't just discount him. We paid for him in the N2 deal
Hrovat isn't relevant.
I'd look at it this way
Whats Sidey worth in terms of picks? N1 + N2?
Heeney is worth more than this years N1 because you would take him above the current crop at boys, plus he's proven he can score well at afl level going nearly 80unsubbed this year, plus he'll be a forward.
So Heeney = N1 + half of N2. And Hrovat makes up the rest
Quote from: My Chumps on November 15, 2015, 12:20:22 AMIf you had Heeney would you trade him for pick 1?Quote from: Ricochet on November 15, 2015, 12:13:33 AMWowee when you put it like that no way is this a fair deal.Quote from: Jayman on November 14, 2015, 10:58:40 PMhe has to be relevant man. He makes up the difference between heeney and sidey. You can't just discount him. We paid for him in the N2 deal
Hrovat isn't relevant.
I'd look at it this way
Whats Sidey worth in terms of picks? N1 + N2?
Heeney is worth more than this years N1 because you would take him above the current crop at boys, plus he's proven he can score well at afl level going nearly 80unsubbed this year, plus he'll be a forward.
So Heeney = N1 + half of N2. And Hrovat makes up the rest
You're saying that 2 Hrovats = pick 2
No way on earth am I trading pick 1 + 2 for Heeney and Hrovat.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 15, 2015, 12:25:59 AMI wouldn't but at the same time I wouldn't neg it if Heeney was traded for pick 1. The difference isn't substantial enough to warrant Hrovat making up for the addition of pick 2.Quote from: My Chumps on November 15, 2015, 12:20:22 AMIf you had Heeney would you trade him for pick 1?Quote from: Ricochet on November 15, 2015, 12:13:33 AMWowee when you put it like that no way is this a fair deal.Quote from: Jayman on November 14, 2015, 10:58:40 PMhe has to be relevant man. He makes up the difference between heeney and sidey. You can't just discount him. We paid for him in the N2 deal
Hrovat isn't relevant.
I'd look at it this way
Whats Sidey worth in terms of picks? N1 + N2?
Heeney is worth more than this years N1 because you would take him above the current crop at boys, plus he's proven he can score well at afl level going nearly 80unsubbed this year, plus he'll be a forward.
So Heeney = N1 + half of N2. And Hrovat makes up the rest
You're saying that 2 Hrovats = pick 2
No way on earth am I trading pick 1 + 2 for Heeney and Hrovat.
No way
So he's worth more than n1
Hrovat makes up the difference
Quote from: My Chumps on November 15, 2015, 12:41:54 AMOk cool so we can agree in that then man, that Heeney > N1.Quote from: Ricochet on November 15, 2015, 12:25:59 AMI wouldn't but at the same time I wouldn't neg it if Heeney was traded for pick 1. The difference isn't substantial enough to warrant Hrovat making up for the addition of pick 2.Quote from: My Chumps on November 15, 2015, 12:20:22 AMIf you had Heeney would you trade him for pick 1?Quote from: Ricochet on November 15, 2015, 12:13:33 AMWowee when you put it like that no way is this a fair deal.Quote from: Jayman on November 14, 2015, 10:58:40 PMhe has to be relevant man. He makes up the difference between heeney and sidey. You can't just discount him. We paid for him in the N2 deal
Hrovat isn't relevant.
I'd look at it this way
Whats Sidey worth in terms of picks? N1 + N2?
Heeney is worth more than this years N1 because you would take him above the current crop at boys, plus he's proven he can score well at afl level going nearly 80unsubbed this year, plus he'll be a forward.
So Heeney = N1 + half of N2. And Hrovat makes up the rest
You're saying that 2 Hrovats = pick 2
No way on earth am I trading pick 1 + 2 for Heeney and Hrovat.
No way
So he's worth more than n1
Hrovat makes up the difference
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 16, 2015, 01:51:13 AMI like how alot of deals are happening after midnight. I'd say the ones close to midnight are alright, but people had plenty of time to discuss trades so lets see if the Admin will be strict with the rules ;).
lol people still posting trades
QuoteCape Town gives: Trent West + Brandon Jack
New Delhi gives: Rookie 1 + Lewis Pierce
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 16, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Probably just a good time to remind everyone about how this year's rookie draft will work:
Seeing as we won't know how many players will be available, everyone will have 4 minus the amount of rookie they have.
For example, one team keeps two rookies, then they will have 2 picks (their first two rookie picks). That team won't be able to use their 3rd and 4th round picks.
After the first 4 rounds, all teams will re-enter the draft and we will keep drafting until all players are drafted.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 16, 2015, 12:27:50 PMWe'll just have to pass and go into the PSD draft to pick up rookies to fill up our primary list. AFL clubs still have to fill up their lists, like us, so it should work out over the 3 draftsQuote from: Purple 77 on November 16, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Probably just a good time to remind everyone about how this year's rookie draft will work:
Seeing as we won't know how many players will be available, everyone will have 4 minus the amount of rookie they have.
For example, one team keeps two rookies, then they will have 2 picks (their first two rookie picks). That team won't be able to use their 3rd and 4th round picks.
After the first 4 rounds, all teams will re-enter the draft and we will keep drafting until all players are drafted.
Hey I was wondering as well - with the National Drft what happens if we run out of players to pick?
My understanding is that this could be the slimmest year for AFL clubs taking players since the WXV started. I know we have delisted WXV players to pick from but, I don't think we will get to 70 picks, let alone further than that.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 16, 2015, 01:14:07 PM20 to about 40 is pretty even and then it drops off a bit from that, but there will still be okish later picks.
Glad that we put ourselves into a position where only NAT 18,19,20 and PSD1 are required for our senior list, because although there might be the odd diamond in the rough, this draft doesn't look deep at all which is why we got rid of all picks with NAT 38 being our latest which we will pass on now anyway
Hopefully the PSD and Rookie lists have some gems hidden them
Quote from: Ricochet on November 16, 2015, 01:17:10 PMYeah, I think there's a slight misconception that the talent in this pool dies after the first round or so. The first round or so has some really good talent. As Rico said, the next 20 or so are still in with a chance of becoming good players in the future, but I don't really think there's anything to worry about. 5 mins of research is all you need.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 16, 2015, 01:14:07 PM20 to about 40 is pretty even and then it drops off a bit from that, but there will still be okish later picks.
Glad that we put ourselves into a position where only NAT 18,19,20 and PSD1 are required for our senior list, because although there might be the odd diamond in the rough, this draft doesn't look deep at all which is why we got rid of all picks with NAT 38 being our latest which we will pass on now anyway
Hopefully the PSD and Rookie lists have some gems hidden them
Quote from: Holz on November 16, 2015, 01:44:30 PMJust elaborate in as much detail as you can for what could be the last time this trade period.
I dont think I even need to give a reason but surely the Cotchin deal fails.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 16, 2015, 12:27:50 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 16, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Probably just a good time to remind everyone about how this year's rookie draft will work:
Seeing as we won't know how many players will be available, everyone will have 4 minus the amount of rookie they have.
For example, one team keeps two rookies, then they will have 2 picks (their first two rookie picks). That team won't be able to use their 3rd and 4th round picks.
After the first 4 rounds, all teams will re-enter the draft and we will keep drafting until all players are drafted.
Hey I was wondering as well - with the National Drft what happens if we run out of players to pick?
My understanding is that this could be the slimmest year for AFL clubs taking players since the WXV started. I know we have delisted WXV players to pick from but, I don't think we will get to 70 picks, let alone further than that.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 16, 2015, 02:49:43 PMNeed to have a plan B Purps which you can implement after the National Draft. Easy solution is when we know how many players are drafted then you limit the number of Rounds. Should be no problem to cut off at 4 rounds rather than 5 if numbers don't add up. Suspect very few clubs will be exercising 5th Round picks anyway. Consensus is between 65 - 70 players will be taken in draft.Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 16, 2015, 12:27:50 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 16, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Probably just a good time to remind everyone about how this year's rookie draft will work:
Seeing as we won't know how many players will be available, everyone will have 4 minus the amount of rookie they have.
For example, one team keeps two rookies, then they will have 2 picks (their first two rookie picks). That team won't be able to use their 3rd and 4th round picks.
After the first 4 rounds, all teams will re-enter the draft and we will keep drafting until all players are drafted.
Hey I was wondering as well - with the National Drft what happens if we run out of players to pick?
My understanding is that this could be the slimmest year for AFL clubs taking players since the WXV started. I know we have delisted WXV players to pick from but, I don't think we will get to 70 picks, let alone further than that.
Just gonna shut my eyes, tilt my head upwards and cross my fingers that this shouldn't be a problem... :-X
Quote from: Ringo on November 16, 2015, 02:59:02 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 16, 2015, 02:49:43 PMNeed to have a plan B Purps which you can implement after the National Draft. Easy solution is when we know how many players are drafted then you limit the number of Rounds. Should be no problem to cut off at 4 rounds rather than 5 if numbers don't add up. Suspect very few clubs will be exercising 5th Round picks anyway. Consensus is between 65 - 70 players will be taken in draft.Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 16, 2015, 12:27:50 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 16, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Probably just a good time to remind everyone about how this year's rookie draft will work:
Seeing as we won't know how many players will be available, everyone will have 4 minus the amount of rookie they have.
For example, one team keeps two rookies, then they will have 2 picks (their first two rookie picks). That team won't be able to use their 3rd and 4th round picks.
After the first 4 rounds, all teams will re-enter the draft and we will keep drafting until all players are drafted.
Hey I was wondering as well - with the National Drft what happens if we run out of players to pick?
My understanding is that this could be the slimmest year for AFL clubs taking players since the WXV started. I know we have delisted WXV players to pick from but, I don't think we will get to 70 picks, let alone further than that.
Just gonna shut my eyes, tilt my head upwards and cross my fingers that this shouldn't be a problem... :-X
Quote from: Holz on November 16, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
I dont think I even need to give a reason but surely the Cotchin deal fails.
If Adams is worth that much then Mexico is winning by way to much in the three way deal.
One or both those deals must fail
Quote from: Ricochet on November 16, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
Didn't have an issue with it. Cotchin is overrated on FF slightly imo
Quote from: Holz on November 16, 2015, 03:24:47 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 16, 2015, 02:15:27 PM
Didn't have an issue with it. Cotchin is overrated on FF slightly imo
He is still a 105 mid in his prime.
The only reason the three way can pass isif people think greenwood and treloar will mean Adams will drop or at least not rise.
If thats true him and a punch of spuds isnt worth a very solid mid option.
Also as its Mexico for the sake of the comp they cant keep picking up these wins everywhere.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 16, 2015, 03:23:20 PMQuote from: Holz on November 16, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
I dont think I even need to give a reason but surely the Cotchin deal fails.
If Adams is worth that much then Mexico is winning by way to much in the three way deal.
One or both those deals must fail
If Adams is worth that much? I'd take Adams over Cotchin every day of the week.
Cotchin is insanely overrated
Quote from: Holz on November 16, 2015, 03:27:57 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 16, 2015, 03:23:20 PMQuote from: Holz on November 16, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
I dont think I even need to give a reason but surely the Cotchin deal fails.
If Adams is worth that much then Mexico is winning by way to much in the three way deal.
One or both those deals must fail
If Adams is worth that much? I'd take Adams over Cotchin every day of the week.
Cotchin is insanely overrated
So a guy who has 3 seasons in the 70S then broke out into a team with mass injuries. Getting greenwood and treloar back is woeth more thrn a guy who has pumped out multiple 100+ years.
If you rate Adams that highly then im sure your rejecting the deal where they get Adams shaw
All im saying is one trade needs to be rejected. Your opinion on Adams is different to mine
Quote from: Ricochet on November 16, 2015, 03:57:57 PM
It's pretty much Adams + Kamdyn for Cotchin
95-100ave mid + KMac for 100-105ave mid. How's that bad?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 16, 2015, 04:01:22 PMnah i didn't i just see the rest as a bit meh. Hocking for Laidley and then a really late pick that probably won't be usedQuote from: Ricochet on November 16, 2015, 03:57:57 PM
It's pretty much Adams + Kamdyn for Cotchin
95-100ave mid + KMac for 100-105ave mid. How's that bad?
You forgot Laidler
Adams for Cotchin is fair. KMac for Laider is fair. 78 for Hocking is fair
There is simply no way that Mexico is winning that by so much that it should be rejected
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 16, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
You forgot Laidler
Adams for Cotchin is fair. KMac for Laider is fair. 78 for Hocking is fair
There is simply no way that Mexico is winning that by so much that it should be rejected
Quote from: Holz on November 16, 2015, 06:33:35 PMWell not quite, you're leaving out Grigg down to Hrovat
So
Basically
Sidey hurn is worth cotchin Shaw
Shaw >>>>>>> Hurn
Sidey and Cotchin are close
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 16, 2015, 07:07:57 PMHolz doesn't like the 3 way trade and is lobbying for it to be negged. As a result, he's also making a case against a trade we did with Mexico.
Been busy with work. What have i missed....
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 02:06:57 PMGive it a week, draft time is almost upon us.
I already miss talking trades :'(
Things are pretty boring around here now
Quote from: meow meow on November 17, 2015, 05:16:42 PMGWS boy?
There's only one good player in this upcoming draft and he will slip through to my rookie #16 pick.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 06:35:03 PMI was about to make an eerily similar post hahaha.
Someone actually negged this?
Trade 91
New York trade: Jamie Bennell + Patrick McGinnity
Toronto trade: Rookie Pick 64
LMAO - some people take this way too serious.
Same can be said about the Pick 22 for Cokehoon trade getting a neg
Mind boggling that these get a neg
Quote from: Nige on November 17, 2015, 06:37:24 PMIm go smacked.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 06:35:03 PMI was about to make an eerily similar post hahaha.
Someone actually negged this?
Trade 91
New York trade: Jamie Bennell + Patrick McGinnity
Toronto trade: Rookie Pick 64
LMAO - some people take this way too serious.
Same can be said about the Pick 22 for Cokehoon trade getting a neg
Mind boggling that these get a neg
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
Someone actually negged this?
Trade 91
New York trade: Jamie Bennell + Patrick McGinnity
Toronto trade: Rookie Pick 64
LMAO - some people take this way too serious.
Same can be said about the Pick 22 for Cokehoon trade getting a neg
Mind boggling that these get a neg
Quote from: Holz on November 17, 2015, 08:29:21 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
Someone actually negged this?
Trade 91
New York trade: Jamie Bennell + Patrick McGinnity
Toronto trade: Rookie Pick 64
LMAO - some people take this way too serious.
Same can be said about the Pick 22 for Cokehoon trade getting a neg
Mind boggling that these get a neg
Rookie 64 is essentially nothing.
So if anyone values those guys at all the trade is unfair. Just because its a tiny trade doesn't make it uneven.
In fact its far less fairthen some trades that have failed
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 09:17:14 PMI know what you're saying, but you kinda contradicted yourself in a way.Quote from: Holz on November 17, 2015, 08:29:21 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
Someone actually negged this?
Trade 91
New York trade: Jamie Bennell + Patrick McGinnity
Toronto trade: Rookie Pick 64
LMAO - some people take this way too serious.
Same can be said about the Pick 22 for Cokehoon trade getting a neg
Mind boggling that these get a neg
Rookie 64 is essentially nothing.
So if anyone values those guys at all the trade is unfair. Just because its a tiny trade doesn't make it uneven.
In fact its far less fairthen some trades that have failed
Coaches should read the reasoning when trades are posted
We were delisting them both and Toronto needed points to get above the cap. We were just helping out another team, and everyone with half a clue of SC knows these 2 are worth nothing
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 10:49:04 PMJust creating a bit of debate so that it's not so dead around here. ;) :P
We don't need to get pedantic here. They're list fillers and nothing more.
They'll be in the WAFL for most of the year/their careers, and wouldn't start in any WXV team so for it to get a neg is just insane as that is suggesting the coach who negged it genuinely thinks the trade is not good for the comp and Toronto are getting away with high way robbery which is nothing short of, well, laughable
It passed so it's fine, but having coaches this anal is slightly concerning
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 10:49:04 PMI'll have none of this sex talk in here RD. Trade talk only mate.
We don't need to get pedantic here. They're list fillers and nothing more.
They'll be in the WAFL for most of the year/their careers, and wouldn't start in any WXV team so for it to get a neg is just insane as that is suggesting the coach who negged it genuinely thinks the trade is not good for the comp and Toronto are getting away with high way robbery which is nothing short of, well, laughable
It passed so it's fine, but having coaches this anal is slightly concerning
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 09:17:14 PMQuote from: Holz on November 17, 2015, 08:29:21 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 17, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
Someone actually negged this?
Trade 91
New York trade: Jamie Bennell + Patrick McGinnity
Toronto trade: Rookie Pick 64
LMAO - some people take this way too serious.
Same can be said about the Pick 22 for Cokehoon trade getting a neg
Mind boggling that these get a neg
Rookie 64 is essentially nothing.
So if anyone values those guys at all the trade is unfair. Just because its a tiny trade doesn't make it uneven.
In fact its far less fairthen some trades that have failed
Coaches should read the reasoning when trades are posted
We were delisting them both and Toronto needed points to get above the cap. We were just helping out another team, and everyone with half a clue of SC knows these 2 are worth nothing
Quote from: Nige on November 18, 2015, 11:21:43 AM
The coaches are that negged the Cotchin deal must seriously overrate him or underrate Adams because they're hardly far enough apart to warrant that deal attract a vote.
People genuinenly shower the bed as soon as big name is put into a deal. Time to start having more faith that all parties concerned have a clear idea of what they're doing when they trade and only neg the deals that are terrible. I really don't think 92 or 100 fit that (I get the latter failed because it's subject to the slightly more controversial one).
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 18, 2015, 11:26:00 AMYeah, I need a proper in-depth explanation as to how Sidey/Adams are closer than Cotch/Adams. That's objectively not true.Quote from: Nige on November 18, 2015, 11:21:43 AM
The coaches are that negged the Cotchin deal must seriously overrate him or underrate Adams because they're hardly far enough apart to warrant that deal attract a vote.
People genuinenly shower the bed as soon as big name is put into a deal. Time to start having more faith that all parties concerned have a clear idea of what they're doing when they trade and only neg the deals that are terrible. I really don't think 92 or 100 fit that (I get the latter failed because it's subject to the slightly more controversial one).
It's funny how several coaches noted that Sidebottom/Adams are similar, but then Cotchin/Adams are not. LOL ridiculous
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 18, 2015, 11:32:23 AM
Oh yeah, I probably didn't make it clear, that I would have passed Cotch/Adams trade, so really as soon as Mexico City sort out getting Adams, and it gets approved, then consider that trade approved as well.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 18, 2015, 11:32:23 AMYeah nah, I noted that. I'm still just really curious to know how/why the 3 coaches that negged it think the gap between them is so big.
Oh yeah, I probably didn't make it clear, that I would have passed Cotch/Adams trade, so really as soon as Mexico City sort out getting Adams, and it gets approved, then consider that trade approved as well.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 18, 2015, 09:06:04 AMDid people also realise I'm losing a best XV player (well U2) for a young player who wasn't even best XV last year? Grigg to Hrovat is a massive downgrade for me too, and 90+ ave mids even though there are a few around are not easy to come by. I literally asked every coach here looking for one to replace Grigg but didnt come close to finding one - because they weren't cheap.
Coaches comments: Common theme was that this trade strengthens Mexico City by too much; feeling Adams/Sidebottom are fairly equal, and that the Hurn to Shaw upgrade is too substantial for the rest of the trade to make up for it.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 18, 2015, 12:18:57 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 18, 2015, 09:06:04 AMDid people also realise I'm losing a best XV player (well U2) for a young player who wasn't even best XV last year? Grigg to Hrovat is a massive downgrade for me too, and 90+ ave mids even though there are a few around are not easy to come by. I literally asked every coach here looking for one to replace Grigg but didnt come close to finding one - because they weren't cheap.
Coaches comments: Common theme was that this trade strengthens Mexico City by too much; feeling Adams/Sidebottom are fairly equal, and that the Hurn to Shaw upgrade is too substantial for the rest of the trade to make up for it.
Sidey > Adams, but then Hurn < Shaw, but Grigg to Hrovat was where I lost most but it seems people didn't even take that into account
Quote from: Ringo on November 18, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
"but yes some coaches take this way too serious"
If coaches are not to take this seriously why not have open slather and let all trades be approved automatically then.
Quote from: Ringo on November 18, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
"but yes some coaches take this way too serious"
If coaches are not to take this seriously why not have open slather and let all trades be approved automatically then.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 18, 2015, 05:43:48 PMYeah flowering hell that GL guy really needs to loosen up a bit :PQuote from: Ringo on November 18, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
"but yes some coaches take this way too serious"
If coaches are not to take this seriously why not have open slather and let all trades be approved automatically then.
We all take it serious, but some are just being way too pedantic and precious
Quote from: Jayman on November 18, 2015, 06:43:09 PMhahahaQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 18, 2015, 05:43:48 PMYeah flowering hell that GL guy really needs to loosen up a bit :PQuote from: Ringo on November 18, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
"but yes some coaches take this way too serious"
If coaches are not to take this seriously why not have open slather and let all trades be approved automatically then.
We all take it serious, but some are just being way too pedantic and precious
Quote from: GoLions on November 18, 2015, 06:49:55 PMDo you wish that you could bake a cake made out of rainbows and smiles, and we'd all eat it and be happy?
Why can't we all just get along like we did back in middle school
Quote from: Jukes on November 19, 2015, 03:17:37 AM
Purps should publish lists of who negs trades when they're negged
Maybe then they'll stop being so nitpicky at risk of receiving hate
Quote from: DazBurg on November 19, 2015, 07:54:54 AMThese are the rules that we have in existence. We have to give valid reasons why trades are negged which we do and Purple publishes them in his summaries. I am probably one of the nit picky ones as I analyse every trade for fairness and do not mind admitting that as I take my vote seriously and will continue to do so. But the bottom line will always be coaches will have differing opinions on trades and values of players.Quote from: Jukes on November 19, 2015, 03:17:37 AM
Purps should publish lists of who negs trades when they're negged
Maybe then they'll stop being so nitpicky at risk of receiving hate
jukesy this is why
your not allowed to pay with the big kids mate
Quote from: Holz on November 19, 2015, 10:55:49 AMFair comments Holz. I will give an example and this trade passed but only two people voted against it and it was between 2 teams. One team was losing 120ppg and the other team gained that many. In my opinion that was reason for unfairness even taking ages into consideration so you can see the different views on fairness as well.
Can we have some vote or discussion on trading now its over.
1. I would like precedent to be set and for trades to pass unless they are really really unfair. Soo many trades have passed because one team is winning by a little. It should be only terrible trades getting rejected and that should be 2-3 a trade period, not the 13 that went down.
2. voting I do think needs to be taken out of the hands of the people i think. not sure whats the best scenario. I basically pass all trades unless im not sure then ask the same 3-4 people's opinion and unless 3-4 say its really unfair i pass it, if note i talk to the winning coach and ask them to pay more.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
Can't set guidelines, each player/pick has too many attributes that distinguish their value.
Don't mind the trade committee idea
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
Can't set guidelines, each player/pick has too many attributes that distinguish their value.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AMI meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
Just on thisQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AMI meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Even if the committee is quicker than everyone else at the moment, its still 7 days + 1-2 days
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 19, 2015, 11:54:34 AMI feel like there's only so much resent a coach can have towards the admin making the choice (and having resent towards him in itself is poor). We all respect Purps enough (I think and hope) to trust him to make the right choice.
I guess the negative would be that if Purps picks 4, and a few miss out they could be resentful or it could cause unnecessary tension, where as if all 18 teams votes then it is fair as everyone gets their say
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
Just on thisQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AMI meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Even if the committee is quicker than everyone else at the moment, its still 7 days + 1-2 days
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 19, 2015, 11:57:03 AMHa you missed it again. I'm saying that personally i didn't like waiting 7 days til the sunday plus another 1-2 days because it held up a lot of other talks.Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
Just on thisQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AMI meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Even if the committee is quicker than everyone else at the moment, its still 7 days + 1-2 days
Let's not beat around the bush - the committee is going to be coaches who are on here regularly, so a 48-72 hour turn around time wouldn't be a problem at all
Trades are gathered Sunday night and the committee releases the results by no later than Wednesday which wont be a problem
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 12:01:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 19, 2015, 11:57:03 AMHa you missed it again. I'm saying that personally i didn't like waiting 7 days til the sunday plus another 1-2 days because it help up a lot of other talks.Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
Just on thisQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AMI meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Even if the committee is quicker than everyone else at the moment, its still 7 days + 1-2 days
Let's not beat around the bush - the committee is going to be coaches who are on here regularly, so a 48-72 hour turn around time wouldn't be a problem at all
Trades are gathered Sunday night and the committee releases the results by no later than Wednesday which wont be a problem
If we have a committee we should be able to have results every 4-5 days imo (instead of 8-10)
Quote from: Holz on November 19, 2015, 12:02:15 PMYeh didn't want to put too much pressure on the committee :PQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 12:01:15 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 19, 2015, 11:57:03 AMHa you missed it again. I'm saying that personally i didn't like waiting 7 days til the sunday plus another 1-2 days because it help up a lot of other talks.Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
Just on thisQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AMI meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Even if the committee is quicker than everyone else at the moment, its still 7 days + 1-2 days
Let's not beat around the bush - the committee is going to be coaches who are on here regularly, so a 48-72 hour turn around time wouldn't be a problem at all
Trades are gathered Sunday night and the committee releases the results by no later than Wednesday which wont be a problem
If we have a committee we should be able to have results every 4-5 days imo (instead of 8-10)
you really could get it down to 1-2 days if you want to. I think my max is 3 days
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 19, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
Also, in the event that a trade is between two teams that's coaches are part of the committee, then the other 3 coaches in the committee would need to vote on that, with a 2-1 result required to pass
We might need to do some extra work around this scenario, because only having 3 coaches vote on your trade could be seen as an advantage. Perhaps we also get 2 extra coaches that would be "consultants" to the committee, and they are engaged in this scenario so that 5 votes for the trade are still registered
Purps + 4 coaches = Committee + 2 consultants for when committee teams trade together
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
3 is fine if the other 2 are involved. I was going to say 5 total was overkill
Quote from: Ringo on November 19, 2015, 12:23:38 PMYep like that
Do not think the committee needs to rule straight away though as there are circumstances eg Uni exams which may keep some off the site for a day or 2. Would suggest if we go this way that trades committee meet by PM each Wednesday and Sunday to review and rule on trades. This way there will also be no weekly deadlines only the end of trade period.
If any votes have to go to coaches to vote would suggest a 3day voting period only.
Quote from: Ringo on November 19, 2015, 12:23:38 PMI think that if we're putting faith in 3-5 respected coaches then there shouldn't be a need for an appeals process. We should just respect their decision and move on
Like the ideas so far, Just one further item that needs discussion. Do we need some sort of appeal if coaches do not agree with decision. we see the issues we already have with trades being rejected with only 5 votes against so say the trades committee votes 3/2 to reject is it final. do not know solution but just throwing it out there as very few of the 13 trades rejected had more than 5 votes against.
Maybe the solution could be appeal and then all coaches vote on the trade with the majority vote being final and if vote is tied at 9/9 then Admin using casting vote.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 19, 2015, 12:16:07 PMOther comps work fine with 1-2 ruling, so 5 is plenty. And if 2 are involved and its only 3 ruling than that's fine alsoQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
3 is fine if the other 2 are involved. I was going to say 5 total was overkill
See that's where I'm unsure. It's quite an advantage if you only need to convince 3 of the 18 teams
I think for the evenness of the comp and teams that will no longer be getting their voice to vote, that we would have to have 5 votes at all times
And yes Holz, it has to be structured if it's going to work otherwise there is too many grey areas and misconception
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 12:27:59 PMQuote from: Ringo on November 19, 2015, 12:23:38 PMYep like that
Do not think the committee needs to rule straight away though as there are circumstances eg Uni exams which may keep some off the site for a day or 2. Would suggest if we go this way that trades committee meet by PM each Wednesday and Sunday to review and rule on trades. This way there will also be no weekly deadlines only the end of trade period.
If any votes have to go to coaches to vote would suggest a 3day voting period only.Quote from: Ringo on November 19, 2015, 12:23:38 PMI think that if we're putting faith in 3-5 respected coaches then there shouldn't be a need for an appeals process. We should just respect their decision and move on
Like the ideas so far, Just one further item that needs discussion. Do we need some sort of appeal if coaches do not agree with decision. we see the issues we already have with trades being rejected with only 5 votes against so say the trades committee votes 3/2 to reject is it final. do not know solution but just throwing it out there as very few of the 13 trades rejected had more than 5 votes against.
Maybe the solution could be appeal and then all coaches vote on the trade with the majority vote being final and if vote is tied at 9/9 then Admin using casting vote.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 19, 2015, 12:16:07 PMOther comps work fine with 1-2 ruling, so 5 is plenty. And if 2 are involved and its only 3 ruling than that's fine alsoQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
3 is fine if the other 2 are involved. I was going to say 5 total was overkill
See that's where I'm unsure. It's quite an advantage if you only need to convince 3 of the 18 teams
I think for the evenness of the comp and teams that will no longer be getting their voice to vote, that we would have to have 5 votes at all times
And yes Holz, it has to be structured if it's going to work otherwise there is too many grey areas and misconception
Quote from: meow meow on November 19, 2015, 03:00:51 PM
I find it funny that I can delist McKernan and a team can then pick him with pick 12 in the draft with absolutely no restrictions, but I can't trade McKernan for pick 12.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2015, 03:15:48 PMIsn't that basically the same as any coach negging it?
our system in AXVIII SC is great
every trade is passed automatically unless a few people speak up about it
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 03:17:48 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2015, 03:15:48 PMIsn't that basically the same as any coach negging it?
our system in AXVIII SC is great
every trade is passed automatically unless a few people speak up about it
What happens after coaches speak out about it?
Quote from: Nige on November 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
The lack of drama is because most of the coaches in SC Americas aren't as passionate and invested as coaches here in Worlds are. The level of activity here is far greater than any other comp. We have a lot of regulars and big personalities around here which also contributes.
Quote from: Nige on November 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
The lack of drama is because most of the coaches in SC Americas aren't as passionate and invested as coaches here in Worlds are. The level of activity here is far greater than any other comp. We have a lot of regulars and big personalities around here which also contributes.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2015, 03:33:54 PMKB, I find your lack of passion disturbingQuote from: Nige on November 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
The lack of drama is because most of the coaches in SC Americas aren't as passionate and invested as coaches here in Worlds are. The level of activity here is far greater than any other comp. We have a lot of regulars and big personalities around here which also contributes.
think that's the wrong way to put it
Quote from: GoLions on November 19, 2015, 04:07:15 PMLmao ;DQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2015, 03:33:54 PMKB, I find your lack of passion disturbingQuote from: Nige on November 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
The lack of drama is because most of the coaches in SC Americas aren't as passionate and invested as coaches here in Worlds are. The level of activity here is far greater than any other comp. We have a lot of regulars and big personalities around here which also contributes.
think that's the wrong way to put it
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 19, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
I just sit and watch :-X.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 09:15:41 AM
but the data doesn't lie man.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 09:15:41 AM
I think it's simply the personalities and activity levels here that have over-hyped all of this and created a few misconceptions, which is totally fine and great in fact because that's why Worlds is so much fun, but it does appear that the current system ain't broke
Quote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 10:57:30 AMYep thisQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 09:15:41 AM
I think it's simply the personalities and activity levels here that have over-hyped all of this and created a few misconceptions, which is totally fine and great in fact because that's why Worlds is so much fun, but it does appear that the current system ain't broke
the major issue is it can take a week and a half to see if your trade is passed. then another week and a half if you negotiate.
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM?? It's just a discussion about how to improve the comp man. If majorirty of coaches don't like the suggestions then it stays the same. No biggy
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
Quote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 12:14:13 PMBecause taking away the Coaches input into trades will just turn it into another version of all the other Comps.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
because some have put 5 years into this comp. I know most regard it as the elite comp and it is the most active, however that doesn't mean it cant be improved.
if there is something to make the comp even better why wouldn't we want to improve it.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 12:14:54 PMI understand it's just a discussion, but changing the rules to mimic the other Comps. is a mistake.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM?? It's just a discussion about how to improve the comp man. If majorirty of coaches don't like the suggestions then it stays the same. No biggy
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:41:55 PMThink that's more to do with more active coaches here and unlimited trade movements imoQuote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 12:14:54 PMI understand it's just a discussion, but changing the rules to mimic the other Comps. is a mistake.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM?? It's just a discussion about how to improve the comp man. If majorirty of coaches don't like the suggestions then it stays the same. No biggy
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
Take AXV as an example, less than half the trades done and barely any activity. Is that what you would like WXV to turn into?
Having Coaches vote on trades creates activity and debate and dare I say interest.
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:41:55 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 12:14:54 PMI understand it's just a discussion, but changing the rules to mimic the other Comps. is a mistake.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM?? It's just a discussion about how to improve the comp man. If majorirty of coaches don't like the suggestions then it stays the same. No biggy
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
Take AXV as an example, less than half the trades done and barely any activity. Is that what you would like WXV to turn into?
Having Coaches vote on trades creates activity and debate and dare I say interest.
Quote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
you cant discount the 6 way trade that should have passed it had 13/18 coaches approval and the 5 coaches couldnt even agree on who was losing (except Dublin) and that was a mistake.
Quote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
3 Fails 6 passes thats a 33% success rate. from your numbers 8.5% of trades failed. even if you add back in my tiny trades I still had 25% failures thats 3-4 times the comp average.
Quote from: Ringo on November 20, 2015, 11:14:37 AM
No matter which way we decide to go there will always be the problem of coaches rating trades differently. This will occur whether even if you have a trade committee to rule. You may have 3/4 different interpretations on a trade amongst the trade committee based on their rating of the trade. We see this in worlds voting by some saying x wins and others saying y wins by too much.
So we need to work out what is the best system going forward recognising the differing opinion of coaches on trades,
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 09:15:41 AM
- Rio seemed to be a soft target, with several of their trades failing always because they were giving up too much and losing - something they can look to improve next year
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 01:13:44 PMQuote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
you cant discount the 6 way trade that should have passed it had 13/18 coaches approval and the 5 coaches couldnt even agree on who was losing (except Dublin) and that was a mistake.
When 6 of the 13 are involved in the deal, it's actually a 7-5 result, so just under 50% of the other teams negged it. When there is automatically 6 passes, it can be ignored for the purposes of analyzing the data
Quote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 01:30:41 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 01:13:44 PMQuote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
you cant discount the 6 way trade that should have passed it had 13/18 coaches approval and the 5 coaches couldnt even agree on who was losing (except Dublin) and that was a mistake.
When 6 of the 13 are involved in the deal, it's actually a 7-5 result, so just under 50% of the other teams negged it. When there is automatically 6 passes, it can be ignored for the purposes of analyzing the data
this is where i strongly disagree.
I still voted on the 6 way trade. I had to evaluate the other parts of the deal just like every other coach did. In fact I told them to fix up parts that didn't involve me at all or I would reject the whole deal. So my vote should have counted just like coaches who werent involved. Like wise there were parts of the deal that other coaches voted on that involved me.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 12:52:10 PMThis season we doubled the amount of list movements in Asia, but the amount of trades made didn't increase. (In fact I think they may have dropped).Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:41:55 PMThink that's more to do with more active coaches here and unlimited trade movements imoQuote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 12:14:54 PMI understand it's just a discussion, but changing the rules to mimic the other Comps. is a mistake.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM?? It's just a discussion about how to improve the comp man. If majorirty of coaches don't like the suggestions then it stays the same. No biggy
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
Take AXV as an example, less than half the trades done and barely any activity. Is that what you would like WXV to turn into?
Having Coaches vote on trades creates activity and debate and dare I say interest.
Move trades creates more interest. I know we'd be making more trades in AXV if we had more movements, throw in Holz, RD/AK, JRoo, etc in there and it'll make other coaches more active because they have offers thrown at them.
Not trying to mimic other comps at all, just trying to make the best XV comp better :)
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 01:41:45 PMWe still used them all :PQuote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 12:52:10 PMThis season we doubled the amount of list movements in Asia, but the amount of trades made didn't increase. (In fact I think they may have dropped).Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:41:55 PMThink that's more to do with more active coaches here and unlimited trade movements imoQuote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 12:14:54 PMI understand it's just a discussion, but changing the rules to mimic the other Comps. is a mistake.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 12:10:02 PM?? It's just a discussion about how to improve the comp man. If majorirty of coaches don't like the suggestions then it stays the same. No biggy
There are a half dozen Comps. why not just join one where the rules suit your preference.
Take AXV as an example, less than half the trades done and barely any activity. Is that what you would like WXV to turn into?
Having Coaches vote on trades creates activity and debate and dare I say interest.
Move trades creates more interest. I know we'd be making more trades in AXV if we had more movements, throw in Holz, RD/AK, JRoo, etc in there and it'll make other coaches more active because they have offers thrown at them.
Not trying to mimic other comps at all, just trying to make the best XV comp better :)
Now that's a small sample of just one season, but still it should be noted.
Quotethrow in Holz, RD/AK, JRoo, etc in there and it'll make other coaches more active because they have offers thrown at them.Active coaches, breeds more discussion/interest. And we have plenty of them here. I don't think that'll drop off if we take the voting away
Quote from: Ringo on November 20, 2015, 01:17:05 PM
My opinion for what is worth is that Worlds were the first xv competition established and others have started using different scoring systems and different rules.
As an administrator of another competition and a coach here I can say that the differences in the 2 competitions are one of the reasons i enjoys playing both. Would hate to see rules aligning to take the fun out of it.
Trading in Worlds in unlimited but unlike the other competitions you have a salary cap to control.
To me there are couple of things that will improve trading in Worlds and been thinking on this in the current Worlds context.
1) Still have the weekly coaches voting but have an end time of Wednesday midnight.
2) If 25% of coaches vote to neg a trade (5 against required) then a trades committee look at at and rule.
3) If more than 50% (10 votes) trade automatically rejected.
So we have a trades committee look at trades where 25% - 50% of coaches reject rather than Admin ruling on them. This is not intended to be a slur against Purple who is doing an excellent job but just giving him some assistance in assessing trades that are maybe marginal. Have not trawled the whole thread to see how many of the trades had 5 votes or more against but think it would not be a lot. (Purple may be able to advise)
This is a change to rules though and will have to be voted on as current rules say a vote of 8 trades automatic rejection.
Quote from: meow meow on November 20, 2015, 01:51:12 PM
Who would be the chosen 4?
Quote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 01:45:06 PMIf anything i have contemplated, just giving up on discussion and just posting my team and reading what purp has to say. This is all because of the rules.Quotethrow in Holz, RD/AK, JRoo, etc in there and it'll make other coaches more active because they have offers thrown at them.Active coaches, breeds more discussion/interest. And we have plenty of them here. I don't think that'll drop off if we take the voting away
Quote from: GoLions on November 20, 2015, 02:29:20 PM
Are assistant coaches allowed to put their hand up?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 01:55:52 PMQuote from: Ringo on November 20, 2015, 01:17:05 PM
My opinion for what is worth is that Worlds were the first xv competition established and others have started using different scoring systems and different rules.
As an administrator of another competition and a coach here I can say that the differences in the 2 competitions are one of the reasons i enjoys playing both. Would hate to see rules aligning to take the fun out of it.
Trading in Worlds in unlimited but unlike the other competitions you have a salary cap to control.
To me there are couple of things that will improve trading in Worlds and been thinking on this in the current Worlds context.
1) Still have the weekly coaches voting but have an end time of Wednesday midnight.
2) If 25% of coaches vote to neg a trade (5 against required) then a trades committee look at at and rule.
3) If more than 50% (10 votes) trade automatically rejected.
So we have a trades committee look at trades where 25% - 50% of coaches reject rather than Admin ruling on them. This is not intended to be a slur against Purple who is doing an excellent job but just giving him some assistance in assessing trades that are maybe marginal. Have not trawled the whole thread to see how many of the trades had 5 votes or more against but think it would not be a lot. (Purple may be able to advise)
This is a change to rules though and will have to be voted on as current rules say a vote of 8 trades automatic rejection.
I think the issue around this has been raised by others previously, in that we cant expect 18 coaches to have their votes in by Wednesday or something along those lines
Quote from: Ringo on November 20, 2015, 03:20:57 PMYeh my suggestion was more in regards to when trades go out to votes. Say you put a trade in Monday morning, votes go out Sunday night, with a deadline of Wednesday night. That's 9-10 days waiting for a trade to be processed. If it's negged, you fix it that day, then it could be another 7 days before you have a verdictQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 01:55:52 PMQuote from: Ringo on November 20, 2015, 01:17:05 PM
My opinion for what is worth is that Worlds were the first xv competition established and others have started using different scoring systems and different rules.
As an administrator of another competition and a coach here I can say that the differences in the 2 competitions are one of the reasons i enjoys playing both. Would hate to see rules aligning to take the fun out of it.
Trading in Worlds in unlimited but unlike the other competitions you have a salary cap to control.
To me there are couple of things that will improve trading in Worlds and been thinking on this in the current Worlds context.
1) Still have the weekly coaches voting but have an end time of Wednesday midnight.
2) If 25% of coaches vote to neg a trade (5 against required) then a trades committee look at at and rule.
3) If more than 50% (10 votes) trade automatically rejected.
So we have a trades committee look at trades where 25% - 50% of coaches reject rather than Admin ruling on them. This is not intended to be a slur against Purple who is doing an excellent job but just giving him some assistance in assessing trades that are maybe marginal. Have not trawled the whole thread to see how many of the trades had 5 votes or more against but think it would not be a lot. (Purple may be able to advise)
This is a change to rules though and will have to be voted on as current rules say a vote of 8 trades automatic rejection.
I think the issue around this has been raised by others previously, in that we cant expect 18 coaches to have their votes in by Wednesday or something along those lines
Surely most coaches would log on once in three days though - Even the stragglers if they know every wednesday is a vote day will log on that day.
Quote from: Ringo on November 20, 2015, 03:20:57 PM
Surely most coaches would log on once in three days though - Even the stragglers if they know every wednesday is a vote day will log on that day.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 20, 2015, 03:26:21 PM
But if we have trades go out twice a week (say Wed and Sunday), then it'll be too much to ask coaches to submit votes every 3-4 days week in week out.
I think we can find a way to have trades processed quicker. Personally i think a trade committee would help here
Quote from: meow meow on November 20, 2015, 04:12:33 PMLooks like New York.
Which WXV team did Mitch Brown (formerly Geelong) last belong to?
Quote from: GoLions on November 19, 2015, 04:07:15 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2015, 03:33:54 PMKB, I find your lack of passion disturbingQuote from: Nige on November 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
The lack of drama is because most of the coaches in SC Americas aren't as passionate and invested as coaches here in Worlds are. The level of activity here is far greater than any other comp. We have a lot of regulars and big personalities around here which also contributes.
think that's the wrong way to put it
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 20, 2015, 04:16:39 PMWho would've known that the guy who has watched basically every movie and tv show in the history of forever, didn't get the star wars reference.Quote from: GoLions on November 19, 2015, 04:07:15 PMQuote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2015, 03:33:54 PMKB, I find your lack of passion disturbingQuote from: Nige on November 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
The lack of drama is because most of the coaches in SC Americas aren't as passionate and invested as coaches here in Worlds are. The level of activity here is far greater than any other comp. We have a lot of regulars and big personalities around here which also contributes.
think that's the wrong way to put it
i find the lack of funny in your so called jokes/banter disturbing
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 20, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
I for one think the current system is fine, and gets a lot of unjust criticism.
Quote from: meow meow on November 20, 2015, 05:29:56 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 20, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
I for one think the current system is fine, and gets a lot of unjust criticism.
Agreed. Don't change anything. The wait isn't too long and all coaches are entitled to their opinions.
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
What about this. If a trade is blocked the players involved can not be traded to anyone else for that following week.
So in that Week either the deal is renegotiated or the players are locked.
It will make it harder to snipe wouldn't it?
Also think having a Wed/Sat deadline is a good idea. If the Coach doesn't vote, it gets counted as a pass.
Allow assistants to vote on trades, someone will be online often enough to get votes in more often than not.
.... If a trade is really bad, someone from a Club will manage to log in and voice their opinion I'm sure. :) :)
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
What about this. If a trade is blocked the players involved can not be traded to anyone else for that following week.
So in that Week either the deal is renegotiated or the players are locked.
It will make it harder to snipe wouldn't it?
Also think having a Wed/Sat deadline is a good idea. If the Coach doesn't vote, it gets counted as a pass.
Allow assistants to vote on trades, someone will be online often enough to get votes in more often than not.
.... If a trade is really bad, someone from a Club will manage to log in and voice their opinion I'm sure. :) :)
Quote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 05:41:28 PM
the cold feet issue is of great importance. have had 3-4 deals not go ahead after they failed from trivial things or I was winning too much. This should never happen its completely unfair. When a deal is locked in it should be locked in.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 06:03:39 PMBut having the players involved locked for a time period would have to impact on trades getting sniped as easily.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
What about this. If a trade is blocked the players involved can not be traded to anyone else for that following week.
So in that Week either the deal is renegotiated or the players are locked.
It will make it harder to snipe wouldn't it?
Also think having a Wed/Sat deadline is a good idea. If the Coach doesn't vote, it gets counted as a pass.
Allow assistants to vote on trades, someone will be online often enough to get votes in more often than not.
.... If a trade is really bad, someone from a Club will manage to log in and voice their opinion I'm sure. :) :)
I don't think it would make it harder to snipe. If a trade gets negged, and then a new team comes in with an even better offer to one of those teams involved in the neg trade, the coach of that negged traded can easily avoid having to agree to a renegotiated offer and then a week later go with the "sniped" offer
I don't think Assistants should be voting. If you have an assistant that you trust to vote on your behalf, then promote them to Co-Coach
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 06:18:01 PM
But having the players involved locked for a time period would have to impact on trades getting sniped as easily.
If it was rejected, then the trade was unbalanced. Fix it and move on.
If you are winning, pay that bit more to even the trade. If you are losing, you're getting some protection.
I would figure most Coaches would rather just renegotiate rather than have their player sitting there.
...Then just make it any missed votes are treated as pass. If a trade is badly uneven, 3 Coaches will voice their concerns in a 3/4 day period.
Quote from: meow meow on November 20, 2015, 05:29:56 PM^^Quote from: Purple 77 on November 20, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
I for one think the current system is fine, and gets a lot of unjust criticism.
Agreed. Don't change anything. The wait isn't too long and all coaches are entitled to their opinions.
Quote from: DazBurg on November 20, 2015, 06:51:22 PMQuote from: meow meow on November 20, 2015, 05:29:56 PM^^Quote from: Purple 77 on November 20, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
I for one think the current system is fine, and gets a lot of unjust criticism.
Agreed. Don't change anything. The wait isn't too long and all coaches are entitled to their opinions.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 06:32:39 PMMost of the time trades are fair enough to pass, when they are not, it's generally obvious who is winning.Quote from: upthemaidens on November 20, 2015, 06:18:01 PM
But having the players involved locked for a time period would have to impact on trades getting sniped as easily.
If it was rejected, then the trade was unbalanced. Fix it and move on.
If you are winning, pay that bit more to even the trade. If you are losing, you're getting some protection.
I would figure most Coaches would rather just renegotiate rather than have their player sitting there.
...Then just make it any missed votes are treated as pass. If a trade is badly uneven, 3 Coaches will voice their concerns in a 3/4 day period.
This goes on top of what Holz has been saying though, You cant just say fix it and move on, because one of the teams might not want to give any more or perhaps they cannot come to a new agreement. If you are winning, then you might not want to give more and would prefer to pass and look at other offers
With that being said I agree that most coaches would just renegotiate, but Holz is giving examples of when that hasn't been the case for him so we cant just assume that.
Not sure we can have passed votes either, because that means some trades could attract the scrutiny and reviewing of 15 teams one time, and then only 7 teams the other time, and that isn't fair
The same amount of people need to vote on every trade for balance and equality, hence all 18 teams or just a committee
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 06:06:53 PMQuote from: Holz on November 20, 2015, 05:41:28 PM
the cold feet issue is of great importance. have had 3-4 deals not go ahead after they failed from trivial things or I was winning too much. This should never happen its completely unfair. When a deal is locked in it should be locked in.
Is it completely unfair though? The team has agreed to Deal A which got negged, so they are not obliged to have to agree to any other deal. Yes the opposing team should have first opportunity to renegotiate with them, but if they cant come to a deal then it should be open slather again I would have thought
Quote from: DazBurg on November 20, 2015, 06:51:22 PMCannot agree more.Quote from: meow meow on November 20, 2015, 05:29:56 PM^^Quote from: Purple 77 on November 20, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
I for one think the current system is fine, and gets a lot of unjust criticism.
Agreed. Don't change anything. The wait isn't too long and all coaches are entitled to their opinions.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 08:06:21 PM
In that case it makes sense, but what if Team A doesn't want to add more? They should have the option to withdraw and shop their players elsewhere
I think it's fair to say that in most cases when a trade gets negged the two teams attempt to renegotiate first anyway so it's not like it happens all the time
There's nothing wrong with trying to improve the comp and get it as efficient as possible, but it is quite amazing how much talk we have around trades, negging, voting etc when only 9 of 106 fail lol
Quote from: DazBurg on November 20, 2015, 09:58:14 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 20, 2015, 08:06:21 PM
In that case it makes sense, but what if Team A doesn't want to add more? They should have the option to withdraw and shop their players elsewhere
I think it's fair to say that in most cases when a trade gets negged the two teams attempt to renegotiate first anyway so it's not like it happens all the time
There's nothing wrong with trying to improve the comp and get it as efficient as possible, but it is quite amazing how much talk we have around trades, negging, voting etc when only 9 of 106 fail lol
exactly what RD said
if A is willing to add more seems silly for B to pull out
does this happen often though?
(as it has not happened to us at PNL is all)
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:28:51 PM
2 coaches to go; will send a reminder 8)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 23, 2015, 10:51:54 AMAlso doesn't sound good if the trade is hinging on two votes still.Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:28:51 PM
2 coaches to go; will send a reminder 8)
Not exactly a strong case for trying to get all 18 teams vote twice a week haha
Quote from: Holz on November 23, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
Not suprised.
Shows why need comitee.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2015, 05:23:31 PMNah look at the 4 coaches reasons who negged with Purples comments and see they could not agree on some issues, So even with a trades committee you will still have this difference unless it is yes men who believe all trades should pass.Quote from: Holz on November 23, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
Not suprised.
Shows why need comitee.
Um, excuse me?
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2015, 05:23:31 PMQuote from: Holz on November 23, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
Not suprised.
Shows why need comitee.
Um, excuse me?
Quote from: Ringo on November 23, 2015, 05:36:26 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2015, 05:23:31 PMNah look at the 4 coaches reasons who negged with Purples comments and see they could not agree on some issues, So even with a trades committee you will still have this difference unless it is yes men who believe all trades should pass.Quote from: Holz on November 23, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
Not suprised.
Shows why need comitee.
Um, excuse me?
Quote from: Holz on November 23, 2015, 05:43:02 PMQuote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2015, 05:23:31 PMQuote from: Holz on November 23, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
Not suprised.
Shows why need comitee.
Um, excuse me?
Hroovatt is the difference between a unfair and fair trade involving Adams shaw?
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2015, 06:08:40 PM
Sigh, whatever. Thank god it's all finally over now.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 23, 2015, 06:43:53 PMConsidering we were involved in so many trades i don't think its fair look negatively on us because we didn't neg too many.
I don't have a problem seeing some teams in the 15-20 range from 106 because although maybe slightly on the higher side it's healthy and seeing the majority in the 5-18 range is a good reflection I think and that's where I would personally like to see the committee come from if that ever happens
Quote from: Ricochet on November 23, 2015, 06:49:43 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 23, 2015, 06:43:53 PMConsidering we were involved in so many trades i don't think its fair look negatively on us because we didn't neg too many.
I don't have a problem seeing some teams in the 15-20 range from 106 because although maybe slightly on the higher side it's healthy and seeing the majority in the 5-18 range is a good reflection I think and that's where I would personally like to see the committee come from if that ever happens
Sure, there were some wins, but there seriously weren't that many bad ones
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 23, 2015, 06:54:28 PMIf you're involved in more trades you have less to neg...Quote from: Ricochet on November 23, 2015, 06:49:43 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on November 23, 2015, 06:43:53 PMConsidering we were involved in so many trades i don't think its fair look negatively on us because we didn't neg too many.
I don't have a problem seeing some teams in the 15-20 range from 106 because although maybe slightly on the higher side it's healthy and seeing the majority in the 5-18 range is a good reflection I think and that's where I would personally like to see the committee come from if that ever happens
Sure, there were some wins, but there seriously weren't that many bad ones
What? The list that Purps posted is how many times a team negged a trade - not how many times a team was negged, so what you said doesn't really apply :)
Quote from: elephants on November 23, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
34 needs to be named and shamed.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2015, 06:08:40 PM
Sigh, whatever. Thank god it's all finally over now.
Quote from: elephants on November 23, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
34 needs to be named and shamed.
Quote from: Holz on November 19, 2015, 12:00:00 PMQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
Just on thisQuote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2015, 11:32:18 AMI meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.
Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks
Even if the committee is quicker than everyone else at the moment, its still 7 days + 1-2 days
agree if you have active coaches you can get answers almost immediately. I basically auto pass most trades as there aren't many issues. If im unsure LF, Ringo, Ric, HP are always on to answer a quick PM.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 24, 2015, 10:43:36 AM
But, your above comment is exactly why I wouldn't want you on the trade committee Holz.
I don't want a bunch of yes men on the committee who pass everything very quickly - we need people who will debate the merits of each trade with each other and then make a fair decision.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 24, 2015, 11:07:32 AM
And still that trade is ridiculous.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 24, 2015, 11:47:37 AM
I'll just chime in because this is just a hypothetical discussion about the past anyway
Neade and Impey will never be SC relevant, where as the 3 older guys are
Lonie could one day be a 75-80 avg player, and Cocky could be more, but I'd take the 3 older guys over them any day of the week haha
if the deal didn't involve Impey/Neade but someone who could actually start and was of similar age to the other oldies then it would make the deal more appealing
When was this trade done out of curiosity?
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 11:25:19 AMQuote from: JBs-Hawks on November 24, 2015, 11:07:32 AM
And still that trade is ridiculous.
Still see the upside in the guys given.
Neade 21 year old forward cracking into the team played the last 8 games of the season
Lonie 19 year old forward, played 17 games and sub vest dragged his average down but thats gone scores of 69 73 74 79 81 93 has good potential.
Cockatoo: 19 year old forward, 11 games in his first year. crippled with vests (gone) but has great talent
decent value given there but needed more.
Impey: 20 year old defender in the 22, should keep increasing his scoring, had a vest and a concussion.
Pick 25: still should get someone ok to add to the 3 forwards and 1 defender picked up. (which they need)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 23, 2015, 07:19:25 PMThis is the bit i don't think is right when looking at the negging and this discussion.
Based on last weeks discussion we know that 13 trades were negged, and of that 13 we could really bring it down to 9 when we remove the 2 that were just resubs, the 6 way and one of the Rio/Christchurch 2 attempts
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 01:58:44 PM
how about all trades pass.
if you keep doing bad trades then you get kicked out.
shows faith in the coaches involved and trusts that they know what they are doing. If you go back and look at negged trades from years passed. there are lots that actually the "losing team" ended up winning.
Taylor Adams
Cal Sinclair
etc..
Quote from: Ringo on November 24, 2015, 01:53:26 PM
Think my suggestion got consumed with the earier debate so re posting here for a bot of debate.
To me there are couple of things that will improve trading in Worlds and been thinking on this in the current Worlds context.
1) Still have the weekly coaches voting but have an end time of Wednesday midnight.
2) If 25% of coaches vote to neg a trade (5 against required) then a trades committee look at at and rule.
3) If more than 50% (10 votes) trade automatically rejected.
Purple to nominate a trade committee who look at the trades with 5 - 10 negative votes and by majority rule on them. Purple will be one of the committee.
If we agree on a Wednesday night trade deadline then coaches will know that and will make sure they come on in the 72hrs to rule on trades. Note the majority of coaches had voted by Wednesday anyway and with 5 votes required to neg a trade there are probably only a few occasions when we would get down to the last 2 coaches to vote.
Also think this would make Purples job a little easier as there may be fewer trades to have rules committee rule on. Currently he assesses all trades with 3 or more votes against.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 24, 2015, 02:20:40 PM
A Wed deadline doesn't really speed it up much. It can still be a 9 day waiting period.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 24, 2015, 02:39:26 PMlol no.Quote from: Ricochet on November 24, 2015, 02:20:40 PM
A Wed deadline doesn't really speed it up much. It can still be a 9 day waiting period.
Isnt a Wed deadline what you have been asking for all this time?
Trades are gathered Sunday night and voting done by Wed, so results out Thur and teams still have to that next Sun to resub them. Yes it will take more than a week in that case, but that's only for negged trades
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2015, 06:16:10 PM
Just for curiosities sake (and without wanting to create negative discussion, this is just for interests sake), the following is the amount of times a certain team negged a trade;
34
18
17
16
13
10
8
8
8
8
5
5
5
5
4
3
2
Just goes to show there is differing opinions! Perhaps the committee should come from a representative of each quartile?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 24, 2015, 02:59:23 PMDublin still the team to beat, but we have improved our scoring power for next year, over the offseason.
I also think that this trade is going to hand the title to Mexico City or at very least make them the title favourites. I think next year Adams' scoring will be roughly equal to Sidebottom but, Shaw was the #1 SC defender last season and is a big improvement on their Best XV (I think Grigg wouldn't have been in their Best XV this year).
Quote from: Ringo on November 24, 2015, 01:53:26 PM
Think my suggestion got consumed with the earier debate so re posting here for a bot of debate.
To me there are couple of things that will improve trading in Worlds and been thinking on this in the current Worlds context.
1) Still have the weekly coaches voting but have an end time of Wednesday midnight.
2) If 25% of coaches vote to neg a trade (5 against required) then a trades committee look at at and rule.
3) If more than 50% (10 votes) trade automatically rejected.
Purple to nominate a trade committee who look at the trades with 5 - 10 negative votes and by majority rule on them. Purple will be one of the committee.
If we agree on a Wednesday night trade deadline then coaches will know that and will make sure they come on in the 72hrs to rule on trades. Note the majority of coaches had voted by Wednesday anyway and with 5 votes required to neg a trade there are probably only a few occasions when we would get down to the last 2 coaches to vote.
Also think this would make Purples job a little easier as there may be fewer trades to have rules committee rule on. Currently he assesses all trades with 3 or more votes against.
Quote from: Jayman on November 24, 2015, 03:07:33 PMYeah, I tend to agree. I think it's just being a tad too pedantic.
It staggers me how a team could neg 34 trades..
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 23, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
Jukes, since when did you neg any trades?
I haven't.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 24, 2015, 03:07:02 PMagree with this
Maybe for the last 2-3 weeks it would be good to have two votes a week, but other than that I don't think it's really necessary
If you lodge your trades by Sunday and get the result by Wed/Thu that's good enough I think
Either way, whatever the majority is happy with :)
Quote from: DazBurg on November 24, 2015, 08:05:32 PMBut try negotiating to try and get negged trade up. Sometimes that takes a fair bit of time and then leaves you behind the 8 ball if it does not work out.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 24, 2015, 03:07:02 PMagree with this
Maybe for the last 2-3 weeks it would be good to have two votes a week, but other than that I don't think it's really necessary
If you lodge your trades by Sunday and get the result by Wed/Thu that's good enough I think
Either way, whatever the majority is happy with :)
i can understand ppl wanting to know quickly in the last 2 weeks or so
but really guys we have likes 2 months (probably more for some who talk real early etc)
if you cannot get stuff done in 2 months i think knowing 4 days early is the least of your problems :P
Quote from: Ringo on November 24, 2015, 08:29:00 PMYeh this is my main reason for suggesting it. A negged trade can put you back 2 weeks sometimes. In the last month of trading that isnt idealQuote from: DazBurg on November 24, 2015, 08:05:32 PMBut try negotiating to try and get negged trade up. Sometimes that takes a fair bit of time and then leaves you behind the 8 ball if it does not work out.Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 24, 2015, 03:07:02 PMagree with this
Maybe for the last 2-3 weeks it would be good to have two votes a week, but other than that I don't think it's really necessary
If you lodge your trades by Sunday and get the result by Wed/Thu that's good enough I think
Either way, whatever the majority is happy with :)
i can understand ppl wanting to know quickly in the last 2 weeks or so
but really guys we have likes 2 months (probably more for some who talk real early etc)
if you cannot get stuff done in 2 months i think knowing 4 days early is the least of your problems :P
Quote from: Toga on January 07, 2016, 05:30:41 PM
If anyone needs forwards Beijing could be persuaded to trade an Allen Christensen type for the right deal after we found ourselves with a few unexpected forwards...
Quote from: meow meow on March 22, 2016, 12:15:35 PM
Was I the only person to object this? Shows why the trade voting is a joke sometimes.
Trade 31
Mexico City trade: Allen Christensen + Taylor Hunt
Beijing trade: Eddie Betts, Sam Gray + Maverick Weller
Quote from: meow meow on March 22, 2016, 12:35:55 PM
Christo and Hunt for Betts and Weller looks even so essentially people were saying Gray was worth nothing? Factor in that Robbie was a late bloomer and it made no sense to me then and even less sense now. Mexico City pulled off a Dublin type trade.