Blues 2016 H&A Discussion

[elephants]

Haha maybe he did it so he wouldn't have to play VFL for the next 3 weeks. Probably in the best interest of both parties so as not to de-value him right before trade time :p

[Mat0369]

Gotta say, I find it strange how Henderson was told to pack his bags immediately.

I mean - all he did was be honest and tell them he was going to leave. And then to be shown the door and kicked out of the club immediately?

We go on and on about how players shouldn't keep clubs in the dark about future intentions... this is why they aren't. I just would've expected a bit more professionalism from Carlton, it isn't like he was going to tank in the final 3 games, in fact he was probably likely to try harder so that other clubs would want him.

This is business now guys, not a cult.

And what benefit do we have in playing Hendo or keeping him around the last 3 weeks? We play him and he gets injured where does that leave us? He would have played reserves footy this week anyway, Barker said he was going to be dropped. If you don't want to play for the club then go. Keeping him around right now is not what is best for business, plain and simple.

Carlton need to plan for the future and we are better off getting games into guys who are going to be in our future plans. It is not like we are in the same position as an Adelaide with Danger. We are last on the ladder, Danger might have made up his mind but the Crows are competing for finals, we are planning for the future.

I was going to post this as well

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tom-bell-could-join-lachie-henderson-in-leaving-carlton-this-trade-window/story-fnp04d70-1227491606714

CARLTON is braced for more exits during the trade period, with big-bodied midfielder Tom Bell considering a move back to his native Queensland.

However, Bell remains under contract until 2016 and has not yet requested a trade.

The 24-year-old is committed to completing the season and will assess the club’s position before making any decision.

The lure of a return home is a natural temptation for Bell, with family expected to play a big role in where he plays his football next season.

Bell has enjoyed a career-best year in 2015 and is averaging close to 21 disposals per game.

The Blues officially announced that swingman Lachie Henderson has requested a trade on Thursday morning, but he is unlikely to be the club’s last departure.

Chris Yarran and Troy Menzel could also join the exodus in the upcoming trade period.

Both have only one year remaining on their current contracts and have recently been dropped to the reserves for failing to meet on-field standards.

Yarran has been linked to Richmond and West Coast, while Central Districts product Menzel is high on the radar of both South Australian clubs.

Should the Blues offload the duo, they could take as many as four first-round selections to the draft table in November.

The club could also offset the series of departures with the acquisition of Essendon tall Jake Carlisle.

The 23-year-old is yet to re-sign at Essendon, who are adamant any trade involving the player would require a first-round draft pick in exchange.

However, the Blues can retain their early selections if they convince Carlisle to walk to the pre-season draft.

Carlton is likely to face competition for Carlisle’s signature from North Melbourne and St Kilda, but it is understood the Western Bulldogs have cooled their interest.

[Mat0369]

Haha maybe he did it so he wouldn't have to play VFL for the next 3 weeks. Probably in the best interest of both parties so as not to de-value him right before trade time :p

He already did that himself this year. At the start of the year he probably would have got us a 5-10 range pick, not sure if we will get that now.

Tommy Bell apparently considering leaving as well... He has been great this year, would be a bad loss :(

This is probably a bigger loss then Hendo right now. He is sitting probably top 3 in the B&F. Bell will be 25 next year though so he isn't all that young.

[ossie85]

And what benefit do we have in playing Hendo or keeping him around the last 3 weeks? We play him and he gets injured where does that leave us? He would have played reserves footy this week anyway, Barker said he was going to be dropped. If you don't want to play for the club then go. Keeping him around right now is not what is best for business, plain and simple.

Carlton need to plan for the future and we are better off getting games into guys who are going to be in our future plans. It is not like we are in the same position as an Adelaide with Danger. We are last on the ladder, Danger might have made up his mind but the Crows are competing for finals, we are planning for the future.

Value for keeping him would include:
- Showing the players they can be honest without being punished, rather than being scared into submission
- Maximises the value of the player so you can get the best benefit from trading him, rather than demonising as a selfish player which would reduce his value to others
- Gives you the best possibility of avoiding the spoon if he proved to be in your best 22 (assuming Carlton don't want to finish last)
- Advertises the club externally to other players that this is a positive work environment
- Keep door open for the future relationships - what if Henderson has a son that would be good enough to play for you? What if he turned out to be a great coach? What if he has influence with other players at the club?

I really don't see much benefit in telling him to pack his bags and get out

[Mat0369]

Value for keeping him would include:
- Showing the players they can be honest without being punished, rather than being scared into submission - he did and it was something that is mutually beneficial for both parties at this point of the season
- Maximises the value of the player so you can get the best benefit from trading him, rather than demonising as a selfish player which would reduce his value to others - he was playing VFL regardless this week, that will only hurt his value and if he gets injured playing in reserve games where does that leave us?
- Gives you the best possibility of avoiding the spoon if he proved to be in your best 22 (assuming Carlton don't want to finish last) - non factor, based on form this year he wouldn't have played in our only winnable game for the rest of the season being this week. We also need a top two pick with our lack of key position players so I wouldn't be surprised if we shelved a couple regardless
- Advertises the club externally to other players that this is a positive work environment - the fact he has requested a trade isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the club, so keeping him around an extra 3 weeks doesn't exactly prove this if he so clearly wants out.
- Keep door open for the future relationships - what if Henderson has a son that would be good enough to play for you? What if he turned out to be a great coach? What if he has influence with other players at the club? - Again, no real burnt bridges, he wanted out, we granted him his wish

The club needs to make a stand, we need to show strong leadership and allowing Hendo to linger in the VFL for three weeks doesn't do any good for anyone.

[ossie85]

Value for keeping him would include:
- Showing the players they can be honest without being punished, rather than being scared into submission - he did and it was something that is mutually beneficial for both parties at this point of the season
- Maximises the value of the player so you can get the best benefit from trading him, rather than demonising as a selfish player which would reduce his value to others - he was playing VFL regardless this week, that will only hurt his value and if he gets injured playing in reserve games where does that leave us?
- Gives you the best possibility of avoiding the spoon if he proved to be in your best 22 (assuming Carlton don't want to finish last) - non factor, based on form this year he wouldn't have played in our only winnable game for the rest of the season being this week. We also need a top two pick with our lack of key position players so I wouldn't be surprised if we shelved a couple regardless
- Advertises the club externally to other players that this is a positive work environment - the fact he has requested a trade isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the club, so keeping him around an extra 3 weeks doesn't exactly prove this if he so clearly wants out.
- Keep door open for the future relationships - what if Henderson has a son that would be good enough to play for you? What if he turned out to be a great coach? What if he has influence with other players at the club? - Again, no real burnt bridges, he wanted out, we granted him his wish

happy to agree to disagree, but Henderson clearly wanted to be around the last 3 weeks

The club needs to make a stand, we need to show strong leadership and allowing Hendo to linger in the VFL for three weeks doesn't do any good for anyone.

[Toga]

Tommy Bell apparently considering leaving as well... He has been great this year, would be a bad loss :(

This is probably a bigger loss then Hendo right now. He is sitting probably top 3 in the B&F. Bell will be 25 next year though so he isn't all that young.

25 isn't exactly old either. Would be a good pickup for a lot of clubs if he wants out but it would hurt the Blues' engine room as he has been important in there this year.

[Mat0369]

25 isn't exactly old either. Would be a good pickup for a lot of clubs if he wants out but it would hurt the Blues' engine room as he has been important in there this year.

It's not old when you are contending, but in a rebuild he is pretty much perfect trade bait. We are looking at competing in maybe 5 years time, so he will be pushing 30 and will be on the downward spiral of his career.

If we can get Aish in return that would be pretty huge for us. However for a team that lacks half forwards that is going to kill us. He has been the lone guy in the half forward line that has had an impact for the majority of the season. Out of necessity we haven't really played him through the midfield that much, the majority of his work has been as a high half forward and pushing back toward goal.

Speaking of half forwards. Could have had Kane Lambert.......

[fanTCfool]

Tommy Bell apparently considering leaving as well... He has been great this year, would be a bad loss :(

Bell would be an enormous loss, I believe he is the type we need to lead the next batch of blues we are bound to see over the next few years.

[fanTCfool]

Speaking of half forwards. Could have had Kane Lambert.......

How many clubs passed him up? I heard of it the other day, was it 5? 6? More?

[Mat0369]

How many clubs passed him up? I heard of it the other day, was it 5? 6? More?

He was rookie listed but was also under our noses at the Northern Blues for a few years. He showed he had the talent to make it during that time. Marcon is the other but I haven't followed his VFL form this year

[Vinny]

Cripps is something special, what a man.

[Diesels Pups]

Cripps is something special, what a man.

Yeah......he's alright ;)

[fanTCfool]

Post-Match Notes:
- Whiley showed some future today
- Kreuz is vital, especially when he hits the scoreboard
- Tutt starting to look like he belongs in Navy Blue
- Jaksch promising with his hands, not so much off the boot
- Jamison murdered Hogan
- Docherty still makes your heart skip a beat with his, often dubious, disposal
- Cripps, nothing new, gun.

[Mat0369]

I saw this when watching the highlights



I'll post a few notes later