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Here is the Round 1 squad vs Tiges:

FB: Kristian Jaksch, Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe
HB: Sam Docherty, Zach Tuohy, Simon White
C: Kade Simpson, Chris Judd, Dale Thomas
HF: Marc Murphy, Liam Jones, Clem Smith
F: Chris Yarran, Lachie Henderson, Troy Menzel
FOL: Cameron Wood, Bryce Gibbs, Patrick Cripps
I/C: Tom Bell, Andrew Carrazzo, Ed Curnow, Andrejs Everitt
EMG: Levi Casboult, David Ellard, Jason Tutt

Clem Smith debuts and Liam Jones and Kristian Jaksch both playing their first games in navy.

Going to the game myself, so pumped. Not very confident but should be awesome anyway. Bring it on Tiges!

What's the story with Levi? Undercooked? Stiff to miss out? Or just edged out by Liam Jones?

What's with the rucks?  Wood #1 supported by Rowe?

Looks like Mick has gone senile already, where the flog is Levi Casboult? Sheesh if they don't want him ill give them Tom Lynch and Josh Jenkins! WTF?

Interesting TBell is named. If the rumours are true, but not confirmed by tomorrow night, I wonder if he still plays or not

Quote from: Nige on April 01, 2015, 06:43:16 PM
What's the story with Levi? Undercooked? Stiff to miss out? Or just edged out by Liam Jones?

Not sure what the deal is with him man. I got the feeling he was just edged out by Jones for the Round 1 start, bit stiff really but looks like he will have to prove himself again. I would have liked to see Levi start and waited for Jones to prove himself. Hopefully Jones doesn't spud it up. It could even be a fitness thing? Hard to tell.

Quote from: muggle25 on April 01, 2015, 06:52:01 PM
What's with the rucks?  Wood #1 supported by Rowe?

Wood was picked because he is fitter at this stager than Warnock is who had a bit of trouble with his shoulder. Warnock was also fit to play but they opted for Wood. Both still shower though, but Kreuzer keeps going down. :'(

Quote from: Ricochet on April 01, 2015, 07:09:19 PM
Interesting TBell is named. If the rumours are true, but not confirmed by tomorrow night, I wonder if he still plays or not

Damn, if the rumours are true..that is flowering disappointing. Improved big time last year and is looking like he could really be a gun. Fingers crossed!  :-X

Hey look, Cripps is in.

Walker out injured, Smith will be the sub, our coach is still a fluckstick playing Jones ahead of Levi. Cripps will get a shot this week to play a full game but when Walker comes back it might not look good for his JS although I think he will be eased in as the sub. We have no fit rucks so Wood gets the game and somehow Levi still doesn't play

Speaking of Spdunock earlier in another thread, this guy has been a complete disaster for us.

We traded picks 24 (Suban), 56 (Ben Bucovaz) and 72 for Spudnock and pick 69 (which it doesn't even look like we owned reading back). We then gave him a long term deal worth over 400k a season which was big money for a guy that had barely played any footy and was having shoulder issues. He comes over, doesn't play due to the bum shoulder and then the following season Sauce ends up ahead of him on the depth chart because he is a more talented player.

Sauce is coming out of contract and due to having Kreuz, Hammer and Spudnock we couldn't guarantee he would get a spot since we had so much invested in the other 3 (mainly Warnock's contract which hindered us even though the coaches rated Sauce the better player) and we are forced to trade him. In return for Sauce we got picks 34 (McCarthy) and 67 (McInnes). While McInnes showerd a fair bit in his first season and looked like he could be a good AFL footy player that didn't end up being the case (although I still think we should have kept him) and now both those guys are no longer on our list. So we basically lost an AA ruck for nada.

So effectively we still have Warnock who is not an AFL standard player while losing Sauce, a bunch of picks gaining nothing in return for the picks we did gain. Oh and to top it off, he is having shoulder issues again.

Well some bad news from the VFL practice game

QuoteCarlton recruits Mark Whiley and Jason Tutt have staked their claims for a spot in Mick Malthouse's round two side after solid hit-outs in a VFL practice match on Good Friday.

Playing for the Northern Blues against Hawthorn affiliate Box Hill (which fielded no AFL players), Tutt and Whiley were the chief ball-winners in their side's 31-point loss - 7.8 (50) to 12.9 (81).

Working up and down the wing of Ikon Park, ex-Western Bulldog Tutt showed some of his customary dash which Carlton sorely missed in the second half of its 27-point season-opening loss to Richmond.

The 23-year-old collected 21 touches and also booted a goal after a quick snap in the fourth quarter.

After a slow start to his first game of 2015, Whiley caught fire in the second term when he racked up 10 disposals. The 22-year-old midfielder, who was traded by Greater Western Sydney last year, finished with 20 touches.

The Northern Blues outfit boasted 16 AFL-listed players, however they simply couldn't contain last year's beaten Grand Finalists.

Emerging on-baller Nick Graham ran tirelessly throughout the contest to finish with 21 touches for the Blues, while Dennis Armfield (16 possessions and a goal) was tough in the clinches.

Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, pick 28 in last year's NAB AFL Draft, did some nice things off half-back and through the centre, with his piercing left-foot a highlight in a mostly scrappy affair.

During one passage of play the 19-year-old from the Western Jets burst through a tackle in the centre square and in one motion swung onto his left boot to deliver a daisy-cutting ball onto the chest of a teammate inside 50.

Fellow draftee Blaine Boekhorst was well held across half-forward.

Key forward Levi Casboult, overlooked by Mick Malthouse against the Tigers after playing 19 games and kicking 29 goals in 2014, booted one major and had a strong presence playing most of the match in the ruck.

Hawthorn held its AFL-listed players out of the match after a searching intra-squad practice match during the week

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-04-03/whiley-tutt-impress-in-vfl-practice-match


16 AFL listed players to 0 and lost. That isn't good. Whiley playing well with Graham puts pressure on Cripps, Tutt will be the sub

Mark Maclure had some interesting comments about Carlton and Malthouse on the post game

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 06, 2015, 06:36:48 PM
Mark Maclure had some interesting comments about Carlton and Malthouse on the post game

I saw that! He didnt want to say much but sounded like he wanted him gone for sure

Quote from: quinny88 on April 06, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
I saw that! He didnt want to say much but sounded like he wanted him gone for sure

He was critical of him a few times last year as well but he has a point. I have brought it up countless times so I won't get into it again. I am becoming like a broken record

and here is the article they published today on the comments

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-shouldnt-be-re-signed-by-carlton-as-coach-says-mark-maclure/story-fni5f5nx-1227293422567?sv=7187d9811599542458a394a4ff2b8036&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial

Blues Injury Update:

- Matthew Kreuzer is back running on the track and should be back in 3 weeks.
- Daisy doesn't require surgery and there is no major damage in the shoulder joint, back in 5-6.
- Warnock has had a sore shoulder for last couple weeks, test for this week will possibly line-up vs WCE.
- Jaksch hurt his ribs vs Tiges, will be fit in 1-2 weeks.
- Andy Walker recovering nicely and will be playing in 2 weeks, heard he might run in the VFL this week.

Also for anyone wondering why Casboult didn't play on the weekend. Purely down to form, Mick wasn't happy with his performances throughout the NAB with 0 goals and didn't perform the week before Round 1 in the VFL so Jones got the nod. Played in the ruck for the Northern Blues on the weekend and kicked on goal, had a presence so might seem him line-up on the weekend.

Levi has to play this weekend. What I would consider doing for this round is this

Jaksch for Levi - White goes to half back and you also have the option of swinging Hendo. You also want to stretch the Eagles depleted tall defender stocks. This allows Rowe to play permanently down back and Levi to spell Wood in the ruck

Tutt in for Daisy - Tutt will either play as the sub or can play as a half forward. On the big ground he can try and use his pace to exploit his opponents running back to goal.

Armfield or Whiley for Clem Smith. It depends if they want the pace or the bigger body. Smith doesn't have the endurance to run out a full game and I think it is too much of a risk to take him over to Perth. I guess both could come in with Dennis the sub. If that is the case I would expect Cripps to get dropped. Whiley is still trying to build a fitness base coming off injury so he might miss. Graham would be the other since he is the accumulator and he had a bit of the ball. Ellard is probably another logical option since he can play as a small forward and he is a good vest candidate since he has been able to come on in the past and snag bags of goals.  Boekhorst looks like he needs to hit his straps at reserve level and he didn't do that in his first performance so I will be shocked if he is named.

What happened to Armfield? not long ago he was a certain starter, and looking like becoming a premier shutdown player of the comp.

Is there any chance Cripps gets mid time this week?

Or should I be okay to trade him? Probably won't do it this early, but just in case

Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on April 07, 2015, 11:01:31 PM
What happened to Armfield? not long ago he was a certain starter, and looking like becoming a premier shutdown player of the comp.

He was probably our best forward tagger in 2012 and had really improved that season as an overall player. He struggled with injury in 2013 and his disposal seemed to regress back to pretty poor. 2014 Carlton were using Daisy in the role with Ellard and Menz as the small forwards once Jeffy was dropped. He can't come on as a sub because his disposal doesn't make him effective impacting games and once he stopped hitting the scoreboard Mick phased him out. I think with Daisy out 6-8 he will have a chance to come in and play in that position so it will be interesting.

Quote from: Big  Mac on April 07, 2015, 11:04:03 PM
Is there any chance Cripps gets mid time this week?

Or should I be okay to trade him? Probably won't do it this early, but just in case

Same role as last week. He had his minutes in the middle but his disposal isn't great and he is handball happy which won't help his SC scoring. Thomas was playing the year as a half forward so that is why I have Tutt coming in. Off the top of my head I see Carrots running with Priddis, Curnow going with Gaff and Everitt running with Shuey. Everitt and Curnow could swap match-ups but I see it similar to that. Murph will get the Selwood tag, interestingly Murph didn't get a lot of midfield minutes either and played a bit off HF. He destroyed WC last time he played them so between him, Gibbs and Judd that will be the bulk of the center square rotations.

So Tommy Bell slaaaayed it on the weekend. Always thought he had the tools to be quality. Blues fans reckons he will continue this good scoring?

Because I am a lazy f'er I'll do a copy paste from something I wrote at the start of the pre-season

Quote from: Mat0369 on January 15, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
Tom Bell - He is the human wrecking ball. A huuuuuuuggggggggeeeeee midfielder and one of my fav players at the club with the way he goes about it. With Brock and Robbo gone I think he cements his spot in the 22 running through the guts. He obviously has ability but hasn't had it all click yet. At 343k I will probably prefer Monfries, but don't be surprised by a 90 average for Tom Bell. He can butcher the ball, but he also wins the hard ball and has a big motor, he can also kick goal which is handy. He has had a few broken fingers/hands the last couple of seasons which has also seen him miss games

haha cheers man, looking at possibly picking him up in my elite draft. If he can produce consistent 80+ efforts it'd be tough to say no!

Yeah he is one I was looking at for my draft as well. I ended up getting Gus not expecting him to get the vest.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-09/two-blues-in-frame

QuoteCARLTON forward Levi Casboult and speedy recruit Jason Tutt have boarded the plane to Perth and appear likely to come into the side to face West Coast at Domain Stadium on Friday night.

Strong-marking big man Casboult was left out of the Blues' 27-point round-one loss to Richmond due to a lack of form.
But the 199cm big man, who booted 15 goals in 19 games last season, looks set to take the place of Kristian Jaksch (broken ribs) and could cause headaches for the Eagles' depleted defence.

West Coast will be without key backmen Eric Mackenzie and Mitch Brown for the rest of the season, with the pair recently suffering season-ending anterior cruciate ligament injuries.

However, 196cm Will Schofield (ankle) is set to return to a key defensive post for the Eagles alongside impressive youngster Jeremy McGovern.

Casboult booted one goal and had a strong physical presence for the Northern Blues in a VFL practice match on Good Friday, while Tutt collected 21 disposals and kicked a clever goal playing up forward and on a wing.

The pacy 23-year-old could replace injured star Dale Thomas (shoulder) for his first Carlton appearance after he walked out on the Western Bulldogs at the end of last year following 26 games and 22 goals in four seasons.

Some Blues players, including star midfielders Chris Judd and Marc Murphy, travelled to Perth on Wednesday.

I would be shocked if we only made two changes this week

Surely the Eagles without Mackenzie and Brown means that Levi comes in as another tall to stretch the Eagles back line?

Oh yeah, I am certain he will come in, but I figured at least 3 were going to be dropped

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 09, 2015, 02:23:01 PM
Oh yeah, I am certain he will come in, but I figured at least 3 were going to be dropped

We'll see if you're right in 4 hours.

So change 3 ended up being Cripps.

and

QuoteEllard is probably another logical option since he can play as a small forward and he is a good vest candidate since he has been able to come on in the past and snag bags of goals.

For those wondering why Murph has dropped off from where he was a few years ago, he is routinely getting his knee drained and jabs so he is able to get up and play each week.

Is anyone watching the post game? They were talking about Eddie Betts and him leaving Carlton. Dermie says he wouldn't pay Eddie 450k while Mark Maclure said he would since he is a 40 goal a year forward. Dermie was saying that for Betts to be successful he needs to be at the feet of Taylor Walker so he wouldn't be worth the cash and they had a bit of back and forth. King brought up the Thomas move which Dermie couldn't defend. The thing I think people underrate with Eddie is his goal assists and his leadership qualities. He played a huge part in keeping Yaz, Jeffy and Robbo happy and in line. Considering two of those went off the rails last year and are no longer there it adds to the pain

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 10, 2015, 11:22:52 PM
Is anyone watching the post game? They were talking about Eddie Betts and him leaving Carlton. Dermie says he wouldn't pay Eddie 450k while Mark Maclure said he would since he is a 40 goal a year forward. Dermie was saying that for Betts to be successful he needs to be at the feet of Taylor Walker so he wouldn't be worth the cash and they had a bit of back and forth. King brought up the Thomas move which Dermie couldn't defend. The thing I think people underrate with Eddie is his goal assists and his leadership qualities. He played a huge part in keeping Yaz, Jeffy and Robbo happy and in line. Considering two of those went off the rails last year and are no longer there it adds to the pain

There may be a lot of truth in this statement

Apparently Sav Rocca is down at the club helping Levi?

Are you guys expecting Judd to play next year?

Something Mat said on the SC boards got me thinking about it

Quote from: Ricochet on April 13, 2015, 10:38:01 AM
Apparently Sav Rocca is down at the club helping Levi?

Interesting choice. He was a really good long kick so it could work.


Levi needs work on his drop, BT is actually really good at working with players and finding something that is comfortable for them. He worked with Fev early on and changed his drop, I think if Levi tried something similar to that we could see a difference since there is less room for error with the low hand on the ball.

Quote from: Big  Mac on April 15, 2015, 05:56:36 PM
Are you guys expecting Judd to play next year?

Something Mat said on the SC boards got me thinking about it

I think it depends on the circumstances, he said he would retire last season but his form was brilliant and his body was feeling great. He hasn't made it clear that this would be his final year so I say he is 50/50. If he stays fit the whole year and he has the desire to go one more he can. He could also be critical to attract a certain someone to the club....

I honestly don't  know how something so obvious (his ball drop) can't be fixed in an AFL system

Quote from: Ricochet on April 15, 2015, 08:32:11 PM
I honestly don't  know how something so obvious (his ball drop) can't be fixed in an AFL system

Bad habits are hard to break. Look at guys like Cloke and even Gumbleton. The other thing is they don't practice goal kicking enough at training anymore. You hear commentators complaining all the time that goal kicking is the one thing that hasn't improved and they bring up the training restrictions all the time.

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 15, 2015, 09:15:22 PM

Quote from: Ricochet on April 15, 2015, 08:32:11 PM
I honestly don't  know how something so obvious (his ball drop) can't be fixed in an AFL system

Bad habits are hard to break. Look at guys like Cloke and even Gumbleton. The other thing is they don't practice goal kicking enough at training anymore. You hear commentators complaining all the time that goal kicking is the one thing that hasn't improved and they bring up the training restrictions all the time.

Yeh agree they certainly don't kick enough. They're worried about over loading
But his ball drop is far worse than those two or anyone for that matter

i think Cripps should be given a run in VFL before returning they need a fully fit 22

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-president-mark-logiudice-talks-with-herald-sun-chief-football-writer-mark-robinson/story-fnp04d70-1227305263422

QuoteHERALD Sun chief football writer Mark Robinson sits down with Carlton president Mark LoGiudice.

Mark Robinson:Describe Carlton’s predicament on the field.

Mark LoGiudice: This would be a result of five to 10 years of poor administration and recruiting.

MR: We can all see the recruiting, but the administration?

ML: Yes. You have to look at the whole business. The result on-field is a make up of administration, recruiting and at board level, because the board is ultimately responsible for the football club.

MR: Describe the actual predicament on-field?

ML: We don’t have enough depth on our list, full stop. We have great talent on our list, but I don’t think it runs deep enough.

MR: The whole country is asking: Where’s the effort in the first two games? Where’s the spirit? Do you ask the same questions?

ML: The players need to take responsibility also for the what happens. It can’t be only a president or CEO or the coaching. Marc Murphy put his hand up and spoke to the media on Monday, which is a start.

MR: What did you think when Mark Maclure went after Mick Malthouse in the media?

ML: It’s not for me to tell people what to say, but a legend of our club in Mark Maclure ... it’s disappointing when he comes out and says those things publicly. But he’s got an opinion.

MR: Fans are disillusioned. You lost the first two games, but the way you lost the first two games ...

ML: I think it’s slightly exaggerated. We’re two games in, I know we lost, I’m not sitting here saying I’m happy with the way we’re going on-field. But let’s not over-exaggerate this. Geelong has also lost two games, there are other clubs who have lost two games, why not the hysteria there?

MR: Because it’s Carlton and because Mick is coming out of contract and because Mick’s behaviour attracts media attention. He is news every day of the week, good or bad.

ML: We are trying to change of the brand of the Carlton Football Club. No, the brand is the brand. It is known in history as one of the big four clubs and you can’t change that. It helps you sell newspapers.

MR: You’re not a top four club now, on or off the field. You’re far away from being a top four Victorian club.

ML: What’s your definition of a top-four club? In history, we’re known as one of the top-four clubs.

MR:You were, but not now Mark. There’s Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood, Richmond’s membership is flying. Essendon is 55,000-plus. You must agree you’re not a top-four club.

ML: What is your definition of top four?

MR:Strong financial position, soaring memberships, success on field, good branding.

ML: I agree we have not had a good run, but as part of the overall AFL brand, Carlton is still extremely important.

MR: Part of your legacy, maybe, is to return this club to big-four status.

ML: The whole AFL environment has changed and we’ve probably, what’s the word, probably hung on to the ‘95 premiership too long. We need to move on. From an overall perspective we need to change.

MR: The club hasn’t been able to create new history?

ML: It’s 20 years ago this year and we will celebrate the ‘95 premiership this year.

MR: And then let it go.

ML: (laughing) ... and then as a club we need to move on, which is part of the plan. We need to restructure, regroup, which I told you last June. We’re fixing some areas. Off-field, the restructure of the club has happened. We’ve got a new CEO, a new CFO which started yesterday, we’ve got a new COO, we’ve got a new branding manager, we’ve got Stephen Silvagni as the new list manager.

MR:Why was there a sweep out of people?

ML: It’s not a sweep out.

MR:It sounds like one. How many staff have you turned over since you became president?

ML: I don’t know. I really don’t know. In the restructure of the club and in attempt to change the culture at the club, people have either been willing to get on or get off.

MR: Clearly one of those people was Shane Rogers, your recruiting manager, who signed a contract extension and then walked a couple of weeks before Round 1.

ML: He’s obviously not happy with the way we’re doing things.

MR:It was said to me Rogers wasn’t keen on working with Silvagni. True?

ML: Probably one’s a new way of doing things and one’s an old way.

MR:Is SOS the most important man in the football department?

ML: He and the coach, yes. For the next three to five years he most likely will be. Let’s not skirt around the edges, this is a rebuild here. We’re rebuilding. We’ve said it in roundabout ways I suppose, but this is a rebuild. We’ve done the off-field with those changes and with the appointment of SOS, we will get our on-field right.

MR: It makes the decision on the coach enormous.

ML: Absolutely, no doubt.

MR:Will SOS have a say in that?

ML: No, definitely not. We will put a committee together, we’ll get the right expertise to make the right decisions.

MR:If you reappoint Mick, it has to be a three to five-year appointment. Do you agree?

ML: I’m not going to make any comment about that. We will review that at the back end of the season. We won’t be pressured by anyone. We won’t budge. When we’re ready we’ll announce the decision. I really don’t get this part about contracts. If you sign a contract you’re secure for that contract period.

MR:If you sack Mick, that rules out Ross Lyon as a replacement.

ML: Now you’re just throwing names up.

MR:Football is based on relationships and SOS is great mates with Ross Lyon. But Lyon is contracted to the end of 2017. Did you know that?

ML: No ... I haven’t thought about Ross Lyon.

MR:If you had all the Carlton fans in front of you, what would you say to them?

ML: This is where Carlton is today. We don’t need to go over old ground. We have a plan in place which will bring the Carlton Football Club back to where it should be. The Ten Drivers of Success (strategy plan) are in place. We are rebuilding this football club and we need all members to be part of the journey. Everyone needs to be patient, everyone needs to be on board.

MR:Do you interfere with list management?

ML: No, I don’t. But there’s one thing we’re confident about â€" Steve Silvagni is not scared to trade and not scared to recruit.

MR:So, if he came to you and said: ‘We can trade Marc Murphy or Bryce Gibbs for first round picks?

ML: As a board, we will listen to SOS and Andy McKay (head of football) who will come to us with a recommendation. They will need to define and provide us a plan with a process they’ve followed and say this is in the best interests of the Carlton footy club.

MR:So, hypothetically, SOS comes to the board and says we need to trade Marc Murphy. Do you say, “I trust you Stephen Silvagni’, or do you say, ‘We are not trading our captain?’

ML: Don’t worry, we will test every decision. We will have a robust discussion on any plan. There’s a process in place: There’s the plan, then the explanation, then discussion and then the decision.

MR:Will you make hard decisions?

ML: I’ve only been here since June and there’s been changes in management and there’s been a great change in culture throughout the club.

MR:Well, no player has been arrested in recent times and I say that because Carlton has had a colourful history in recent times. Tell me, did you have a say in Jeff Garlett and Mitch Robinson not being at the football club?

ML: (Pause). The right answer is this..

MR: It’s a yes or no answer, Mark.

ML: I gave my opinion and the final decision was made by the CEO and Andrew McKay. The answer is this, the week that happened we had a home game and in my president’s speech I said, ‘We wouldn’t tolerate this sort of behaviour at the Carlton Football Club’.

MR: So, you told the CEO we don’t want them at the football club?

ML: Yes. We need cultural change.

MR:How do you think Mick has handled the media this year?

ML: Great. Been fantastic.

MR: What are you going to do about Channel Seven and the post-match press conferences?

ML: The CEO handles that. My personal view is we don’t want to make a mockery of the press conferences after the game. Let’s talk football, that’s why the AFL put that in place, so media could talk to coaches after the game. Let’s not turn it into a circus. If it’s an opportunity to turn it into a circus, then maybe we shouldn’t have them.

MR: Is this club in crisis?

ML: Definitely not. It’s only a crisis when you don’t have a plan of where you’re heading. We know exactly where we are heading. We’ve got a plan, we’ve got a strategy. We’re far from crisis.

Probably a bit early to be thinking about this, but we are going to need a ruck this offseason. I am sick of seeing Warnock and Wood in Kreuz's abscence and I think we as a club have to come to a realisation that he may never be able to play predominantly in the ruck again. Maybe Nicholls from the Suns could be an option?

the clubs going to have to make some very tough calls on senior players

It had me thinking, and I know it is highly likely it won't happen, but I would be offering up Daisy and Kreuz for trade at the end of the year. The thing is we will be forking out a bit of cash on that Daisy deal but if we want to go after some GWS boys that will be the way to go about it.

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 16, 2015, 03:05:45 PM
It had me thinking, and I know it is highly likely it won't happen, but I would be offering up Daisy and Kreuz for trade at the end of the year. The thing is we will be forking out a bit of cash on that Daisy deal but if we want to go after some GWS boys that will be the way to go about it.

I'd be offering up Walker. 30 next year and great value

Quote from: Ricochet on April 16, 2015, 03:08:17 PM
I'd be offering up Walker. 30 next year and great value

Any team that does their homework won't go after Walker. His knee looks to be a pretty big issue at the moment and you won't get much for a guy entering his 30's with a potential knee problem. The fact Daisy is younger and with Shaw already there, it could tempt them Giants a bit more. Especially when you know Carlton will have to foot the bill on some of his contract, it is more risk vs reward for them, similar to Griff and the Dogs contract this season. This will also obviously depend on if Mick is coach or not at the end of the year.

I'll actually go through our list and do a dead weight and trade bait list

So I won't include a few of the kids like Cripps and anyone in their first year at the club (which includes Liam Jones)

Untouchables - mainly due to age

Menz
Yaz
Docherty
Hendo (at least for 2 years)
Gibbs

Dead weight

Watson
Warnock
Dennis
Ellard

Possible retirees

Judd
Carrots

Trade bait

Jamo - great player, but will be the wrong side of 30 next year. He will carry some value at least, especially to a team like the Saints or even the Giants

Kreuz - as stated above, injuries might never see him play at his best or best position again, if you can get good value for him you pull the trigger

Daisy - money poorly spent, some team might see him as a good risk vs reward prospect if we fit the bill, if you get a good return pull the trigger

Walker - dodgy knee probably kills his value, but he could be another to consider

Levi- he can clunk them so a team might look at him and think they can fix his kicking. He is not one I am particularly keen on losing but it depends on what we get for him.

Purgatory - not exactly trade bait, not exactly untouchable

Murphy - his knee is shot, he most likely won't be able to play to the standard of 2011 because of it again. You can't exactly trade him yet but he still isn't untouchable. You would need a Jeremy Cameron style prospect to consider parting with him though (like Boyd and Griffen)

Simmo - age doesn't make parting with him worthwhile, especially considering his trade value would be low. You would think he retires a Blue and rightfully so. He is also still a much needed player at the club for multiple reasons.

Rowe - at his age and with his ability, he doesn't hold any value in a trade and will just be a solid player at the club over the next few years

Tom Bell - He is a good prospect that has the potential to be something great, but he hasn't been able to put it together yet. The club need to keep a few in his bracket but he isn't untouchable.

Nick Graham - Again being younger he hasn't had opportunity yet, not exactly trade worthy but still unproven and not untouchable.

Simon White - Bad knee and is not more then a depth player

Ed Curnow - Great tagger and a really good footy player, you don't want to trade him but you can't really list a tagger as untouchable.

Zach Tuohy - Severely regressed since his early days. Holds 0 trade value and is certainly not untouchable. He needs some confidence I think

Who is Purgatory?

If we are serious about rebuilding none of our experienced players should be untouchable.
Can someone tell me why Buckley is not getting a game?

Quote from: blue on April 16, 2015, 10:54:39 PM
Who is Purgatory?

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 16, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Purgatory - not exactly trade bait, not exactly untouchable

Murphy - his knee is shot, he most likely won't be able to play to the standard of 2011 because of it again. You can't exactly trade him yet but he still isn't untouchable. You would need a Jeremy Cameron style prospect to consider parting with him though (like Boyd and Griffen)

Simmo - age doesn't make parting with him worthwhile, especially considering his trade value would be low. You would think he retires a Blue and rightfully so. He is also still a much needed player at the club for multiple reasons.

Rowe - at his age and with his ability, he doesn't hold any value in a trade and will just be a solid player at the club over the next few years

Tom Bell - He is a good prospect that has the potential to be something great, but he hasn't been able to put it together yet. The club need to keep a few in his bracket but he isn't untouchable.

Nick Graham - Again being younger he hasn't had opportunity yet, not exactly trade worthy but still unproven and not untouchable.

Simon White - Bad knee and is not more then a depth player

Ed Curnow - Great tagger and a really good footy player, you don't want to trade him but you can't really list a tagger as untouchable.

Zach Tuohy - Severely regressed since his early days. Holds 0 trade value and is certainly not untouchable. He needs some confidence I think

Quote from: blue on April 16, 2015, 10:54:39 PM
Can someone tell me why Buckley is not getting a game?

No idea, he should be playing and even though Dennis has had a couple of solid VFL hit outs if we are serious about rebuilding you play Buckley ahead of him considering there wasn't a lot of difference in form during the weekend

So I heard something interesting in the pre-game on Triple M. They had a segment where they had to bring up a story that had not been released in the media yet. Duck brought up this one. He said that earlier in the season he made the comments that Gaz won't play Round 1 since he had a setback but looked like a dickhead when he lined up. He said that the source ended up being right because of what happened two weeks with Gaz out indefinitely and all the info released since. The same source told him that Judd would not play this week very early before it was announced.

The same source has given him this bit of info. Mick Malthouse will not be the coach of Carlton not long after he breaks the record. He wouldn't define an exact time, they said it could be a week after or it could be a month but they don't expect him to be there. Possible candidates they threw up to replace him include Worsfold, Voss and Bolton. It will be interesting to see if he is just talking crap again or if it actually happens

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 26, 2015, 03:55:11 PM
So I heard something interesting in the pre-game on Triple M. They had a segment where they had to bring up a story that had not been released in the media yet. Duck brought up this one. He said that earlier in the season he made the comments that Gaz won't play Round 1 since he had a setback but looked like a dickhead when he lined up. He said that the source ended up being right because of what happened two weeks with Gaz out indefinitely and all the info released since. The same source told him that Judd would not play this week very early before it was announced.

The same source has given him this bit of info. Mick Malthouse will not be the coach of Carlton not long after he breaks the record. He wouldn't define an exact time, they said it could be a week after or it could be a month but they don't expect him to be there. Possible candidates they threw up to replace him include Worsfold, Voss and Bolton. It will be interesting to see if he is just talking crap again or if it actually happens

God only hope this is true, intresting candidates, don't really know who I would pick,

I don't know how I feel about the Voss one. I know people learn from their mistakes but based on his last go around I don't want him at Carlton as the senior coach. He ended up taking a team that played finals to a team that was down the bottom of the ladder. He also never struck me as a great game day coach but I think he will make a valuable assistant like he is at Port.

Worsfold when I first heard about it I thought brilliant but after thinking about it further he might not be the right guy either. He has been out of the game a couple years and his tenure at the Eagles didn't end well. He was a brilliant but we have already been down this path twice before and it has failed.

Bolton I don't mind, you can't help but like the guy but what draws me to him is that Clarko considers him one of the key cogs in his system. He might not be super strong in terms of game day but he comes from the best system going around and if you put the right team around him he could be very successful

There are obviously a few other guys around as well so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out

Get excited because ball-magnet Mark Whiley is set to debut tomorrow night

What is his likelihood for the vest? I'm hoping to see Whiley & Cripps both play a full game of contested footy

I reckon Whiley will avoid the vest. With Carrots out they might get him to tag Pendles. I think Ellard or Boekhorst get the green vest. I can not understand how you drop Levi and keep Jones in. Yes Levi struggles to kick at goal but Jones hasn't been great in that aspect either and his form has been crap

My boy Whiley! Watch him dominate.  8)

surprised you haven't given him the nickname 'coyote' yet Nige

or if you have, ignore me and carry on :P

Haha Nige has claimed every young midfielder in the comp! Oh, except C Ellis :p

Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on April 30, 2015, 09:33:59 PM
surprised you haven't given him the nickname 'coyote' yet Nige

or if you have, ignore me and carry on :P

Not yet...  :o but now that you mention it!  ;D

Quote from: elephants on April 30, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
Haha Nige has claimed every young midfielder in the comp! Oh, except C Ellis :p

Not all of them, but there are a select batch of lads that will be superstars and I'll be glad to say I was a fan well before the bandwagoners.  ;) :P

Quote from: Nige on April 30, 2015, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: elephants on April 30, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
Haha Nige has claimed every young midfielder in the comp! Oh, except C Ellis :p

Not all of them, but there are a select batch of lads that will be superstars and I'll be glad to say I was a fan well before the bandwagoners.  ;) :P

Hipster Nige??

Quote from: Gigantor on April 30, 2015, 11:02:46 PM

Quote from: Nige on April 30, 2015, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: elephants on April 30, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
Haha Nige has claimed every young midfielder in the comp! Oh, except C Ellis :p

Not all of them, but there are a select batch of lads that will be superstars and I'll be glad to say I was a fan well before the bandwagoners.  ;) :P

Hipster Nige??

Generally, yep.  :P

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 30, 2015, 07:54:18 PM
I reckon Whiley will avoid the vest. With Carrots out they might get him to tag Pendles. I think Ellard or Boekhorst get the green vest. I can not understand how you drop Levi and keep Jones in. Yes Levi struggles to kick at goal but Jones hasn't been great in that aspect either and his form has been crap

+1

Got to agree now that you've brought it up, I would put my money on Boekhorst to start in the green.

Yeah I don't understand either, Casboult is a strong contested mark. I honestly don't see what Liam Jones offers in general

Nige has been rights about Touk Miller so far. The kid is finally going to be starting as a follower this week against the Lions (due to Swallow's injury). I hope he kills it, can see him racking up +100 tbh. Reminds me a lot of Travis Boak back in 2007.

Quote from: elephants on April 30, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
Haha Nige has claimed every young midfielder in the comp! Oh, except C Ellis :p

hahaha gotta love a My Boy claim

Quote from: Ricochet on May 01, 2015, 11:15:00 AM

Quote from: elephants on April 30, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
Haha Nige has claimed every young midfielder in the comp! Oh, except C Ellis :p

hahaha gotta love a My Boy claim

Sure do.  8)

worst effort from a Carlton side ive ever seen, insipid, didnt even fkn try >:(

Why did Whiley have to tag  :( Has the potential to be a strong contested mid

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 02, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
Why did Whiley have to tag  :( Has the potential to be a strong contested mid

You can never have too many taggers

::)

Quote from: Big  Mac on May 02, 2015, 06:46:53 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 02, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
Why did Whiley have to tag  :( Has the potential to be a strong contested mid

You can never have too many taggers

::)

What is going on hahahaha Malthouse said he never believed in tagging while at Collingwood. Now he isn't happy until every player in the Carlton midfield is shutting someone down... unsuccessfully

hahaha he should just stick to Carrots, if he isn't available maybe Ellard or no one at all haha 

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 03:49:06 PM

Quote from: Big  Mac on May 02, 2015, 06:46:53 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 02, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
Why did Whiley have to tag  :( Has the potential to be a strong contested mid

You can never have too many taggers

::)

What is going on hahahaha Malthouse said he never believed in tagging while at Collingwood. Now he isn't happy until every player in the Carlton midfield is shutting someone down... unsuccessfully

hahaha he should just stick to Carrots, if he isn't available maybe Ellard or no one at all haha

Yeh it's clearly not working for them

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 03:49:06 PM

Quote from: Big  Mac on May 02, 2015, 06:46:53 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 02, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
Why did Whiley have to tag  :( Has the potential to be a strong contested mid

You can never have too many taggers

::)

What is going on hahahaha Malthouse said he never believed in tagging while at Collingwood. Now he isn't happy until every player in the Carlton midfield is shutting someone down... unsuccessfully

hahaha he should just stick to Carrots, if he isn't available maybe Ellard or no one at all haha

Been thinking that maybe those players aren't developed enough or just plain good enough to play straight up and down against oppo mids and need to actually just play on them to learn and develop.

Someone clear this up for me, we traded our first draft pick for 3 mature age players who don't look like they should be allowed within 500m of a AFL ground and then add to that Liam jones and his Bulldogs spud mate

Basically. Although I still have hopes for Jaksch and Boek to be very good footballers and to a lesser extent Whiley. They aren't going to be guys to take you to the next level on their own but they could be great complement guys.

But yeah, if you go back and have a look I wasn't too keen on the moves. We needed KPP's in a deep KPP draft, we got Jaksch but when you look at it we had a chance at Wright, Lever or Durdin. Also I still don't get why we passed on Lamb and drafted another HBF with the 2nd pick. I also wanted McKenzie as a project and we managed to pass on him and he landed with the Tiges. Also considering we have no small forwards we should have gone after Lambert in the rookie draft. The guy was under our nose for how many years at the Northern Blues?

Anyone know what's going on with Sheehan? Last I heard he was doubtful to get up for round 1 in time, its now round six and he's still listed at 1-2 weeks away due to a groin injury, which has been the exact same description for about the last 4 weeks

Quote from: roo boys! on May 06, 2015, 07:10:18 PM
Anyone know what's going on with Sheehan? Last I heard he was doubtful to get up for round 1 in time, its now round six and he's still listed at 1-2 weeks away due to a groin injury, which has been the exact same description for about the last 4 weeks

He wasn't on the list of NAB injuries and I was curious as to why he wasn't playing. Then around round 2 it said 1-2 weeks with a groin and has been that way since.  It reminds me of the Ottens injury a few years ago. He was 1-2 weeks for 18 rounds  :P

we better give a real effort today >:(

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on May 10, 2015, 10:28:45 AM
we better give a real effort today >:(

Yeah well, not so much. Can it get any worse. :-[ :-[ >:( >:( :-[ :'(

The only thing that would make this worse is if we got docked picks again.

On the plus side, we will probably end up wit a top 3 pick and a new coach

Keep Mick and you might get a priority pick :P

i really think you guys should trade Simmo and Walker get a couple extra 1st rounders for them

would add Daisy but Mick would never trade him

pretty much anyone old

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 11, 2015, 12:23:14 AM
The only thing that would make this worse is if we got docked picks again.

On the plus side, we will probably end up wit a top 3 pick and a new coach

How about if they signed Mick up for another 2 years and used their top 3 pick to redraft Bootsma?

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 11, 2015, 12:33:30 AM
Keep Mick and you might get a priority pick :P

Priority picks are long dead  :P

Quote from: quinny88 on May 11, 2015, 04:48:19 AM

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 11, 2015, 12:23:14 AM
The only thing that would make this worse is if we got docked picks again.

On the plus side, we will probably end up wit a top 3 pick and a new coach

How about if they signed Mick up for another 2 years and used their top 3 pick to redraft Bootsma?

Wouldn't put it past them... ::)

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 11, 2015, 01:07:50 AM
i really think you guys should trade Simmo and Walker get a couple extra 1st rounders for them

would add Daisy but Mick would never trade him

pretty much anyone old

I doubt that they are worth a 1st round pick between them

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-11/blues-sink-to-new-low-as-hovercraft-flips-in-the-yarra  ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: blue on May 11, 2015, 06:09:29 PM

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 11, 2015, 01:07:50 AM
i really think you guys should trade Simmo and Walker get a couple extra 1st rounders for them

would add Daisy but Mick would never trade him

pretty much anyone old

I doubt that they are worth a 1st round pick between them

yes they are you could work it out like give an extra pick to get a 1st rounder

any team in the top 6 would take any of those 3 for there 1st round pick

Simmo is worth nothing due to his age, Walker has a dodgy knee and a history of shoulder issues and will be 30 next year, you would be lucky to get 2nd round picks for both. Mick won't be there so he has no say on Daisy, you will probably have to pay a large chunk of his contract like the Dogs are with Griff, I already said he is the guy I would look at moving to somewhere like GWS in hopes of getting one of Shiel/Treloar with a couple of other pieces. Jamo is one I would also look at moving but like Simmo and Walker he is in the wrong bracket in terms of age.

The guys we have to deal away have to be in the Kreuz, Murph, Gibbs, Hendo, Levi, Yaz and Warnock. 6 of those hold value but you can probably only afford to trade two or three at the most. You can blow up your core but you need to keep a couple for leadership purposes. Right now Kreuz, Levi, Warnock and maybe Hendo are the ones I would look at moving. You can probably get a late 2nd early 3rd for Warnock (a pick after 30) considering what we got for Hammer. Levi should net us Aish if we are after him considering he is the type of player the Lions are after. Maybe we swap 2nd and 3rd round picks as well (we give the 2nd they give a 3rd). I thought Kreuz, Thomas and maybe another older player (Walker/Jamo) to the Giants for Treloar/Shiel and a swap of firsts and the Giants 2nd. Hendo would get you a first so you can still keep a few of those key players to help bring through the younger kids. Maybe you can offload one of those 2nd round picks to get a Gorringe or Nicholls from the Suns

Effectively that would be out

Kreuz
Warnock
Levi
Hendo
Thomas
Walker/Jamo
1st round pick
2nd round pick
2nd round pick

In

Treloar/Shiel
Nicholls/Gorringe
2 first rounders
1 2nd rounder
1 3rd rounder

Based on contract you can't dump Gibbs this year since we just gave him a team friendly deal last year, maybe next year you look at it and see if he can net you a player and a pick

Hey Mat, explain to me why you would want to get rid of Levi? Just good value atm?

I would think he is someone you build your core of players off no? But if he had to be involved in a deal for Aish...then you've got to get Aish.

I just can't see you guys getting rid of Murphy, even if I think that it will benefit your club...

I know you said you can't dump Gibbs... but he is the one that needs to go and you could get a seriously good young player like Treloar for him.

Which players are untouchable do you think? Bell, Buckley, Cripps and Menzel? All the rest are fair game?

Levi is already 25 and is only 3 months younger then Hendo. If you are considering trading Hendo you have to consider trading Levi. I love him, I think if he could ever fix that kicking he could be one of the most dominant forwards in the league, but when you look at a guy like Cloke who is a few years older and still struggling with the same issues you would look at Levi as a trade chip. I think Mick is a moron for dropping him, he needs to play games and he has been a crap load better then Jones all year, yet Jones still plays.

Aish is also the type of player we need, he is that outside ball user we can sit on the wing and if all it takes is Levi to get him pull the trigger. I wouldn't trade both Levi and Hendo in the one season now that I think about it because that will leave us with 0 key forwards on the list, but whichever of the two yields the best return I would do it.

Untouchables are the guys you listed, throw in Jaksch and Docherty. Unfortunately that core isn't deep enough which is why you need to add guys like potentially Aish, Treloar/Shiel, a young ruck and some good young KPP's. The Irish boys in Byrne and Sheehan have also looked good, you have a few other mids but you are lacking in key stocks and small forwards.

Mat i think you could get a very late 1st round pick for each of Daisy/Simmo/Walker

Freo, Port, Hawks, Tigers, North, Bombers would all be interested in all 3 imo

or lets say if Bombers get around pick 10 i'd be happy to give our 1st pick and maybe something else for Simmo and 1 of the others

our best 22 would be looking awesome

Rumour has it that John Worsfold is the frontrunner to replace Mick if and/or when he's axed.   

So Sheehan out 1-2 every week is possibly explained finally

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-15/groin-surgery-could-sideline-blues-sheehan-for-season

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 16, 2015, 04:00:48 PM
So Sheehan out 1-2 every week is possibly explained finally

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-15/groin-surgery-could-sideline-blues-sheehan-for-season

Bugger  :'(

Showed heaps late last year I thought, so this is a bit of a shame to hear

Yeah he looked awesome at the back end of last season and he would have had a chance to cement a spot in the side had he been fit this year

Curnow has easily been our best player, everyone else doesn't even care, this is rock bottom  :'(

Simpson, Cripps, Bell, Curnow, Buckley, Docherty and Menzel can stay. Get rid of the rest and begin again.

id be willing to move on the majority that have trade value for draft picks or young talent, this group dont want to play the most important element of the game, denying your opponent uncontested possessions does not exist at Carlton atm and it is killing us like a cancer, it has spread.
It took 5 minutes to get our first tackle tonight, by then it was already 18-0
(http://i.imgur.com/5n9aij4.gif)

Anyone have any idea why Longmire was watching the game?

My theory is that Yarran's contract runs dry at the end of 2016 and he appears to have no intention of staying at the Blues. The Blues are, as of this season, considering whether or not they should trade him for value at the end of this season so they can at least get something in return.

Secondly, Goodes will retire at the end of this season (although he will be annoyingly defiant) and with McVeigh aging as well the Swans will want a second runner/technically advanced utility (presumably McVeigh fills in for Shaw in half-back and Yarran will move in as a utility, replacing Goodes). I think the prospect of Yarran & Jetta in the one line-up is something Horse is considering.

Therefore, I am of the opinion that the Swans will pursue a trade to obtain Yarran at the end of the season

Just a theory though  :P

Also, the Blues should play Casboult as a tall defender. I think he's a useless kick at goal, however if he can take strong contested marks he's a prospect key defender

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 23, 2015, 12:46:01 PM
Anyone have any idea why Longmire was watching the game?

Carlton play Sydney next Friday night.

Yeah Longmire often watches near future opponents.

As for Yarran, don't think he'd go to Sydney because Carlton would want high draft picks and the Swans would be chasing Mills and Dunkley in the draft

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 23, 2015, 12:51:48 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 23, 2015, 12:46:01 PM
Anyone have any idea why Longmire was watching the game?

Carlton play Sydney next Friday night.

Wait, we have to watch them on Friday night AGAIN!? ::)

Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 23, 2015, 01:21:38 PM
Yeah Longmire often watches near future opponents.

As for Yarran, don't think he'd go to Sydney because Carlton would want high draft picks and the Swans would be chasing Mills and Dunkley in the draft

Since his contract runs out in 2016, it could be possible for them to trade for a 2nd round pick.

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 23, 2015, 12:51:48 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 23, 2015, 12:46:01 PM
Anyone have any idea why Longmire was watching the game?

Carlton play Sydney next Friday night.

Why would he need to do recon though  :P

Not to be offensive but I wouldn't even worry about that game if I were Sydney (an easy 80 point win imo)

But yeah I don't think Sydney could get Yarran without giving up a talented player (and they aren't the sort of team that makes these sacrifices). Carlton could get significant value for him, a genuine talent imo (I'd say a 1st round pick is the least they could get)

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 23, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
Why would he need to do recon though  :P

Not to be offensive but I wouldn't even worry about that game if I were Sydney (an easy 80 point win imo)

But yeah I don't think Sydney could get Yarran without giving up a talented player (and they aren't the sort of team that makes these sacrifices). Carlton could get significant value for him, a genuine talent imo (I'd say a 1st round pick is the least they could get)

Regardless of the opposition you have to do your homework. Using Port as an example, they played Brisbane last week and got smashed probably due to complacency. Being in Melbourne you go to the game and watch your opposition, see what Geelong did in the first quarter, check out Carlton's stoppage work, fly back up to Sydney and then smash them by 120 points.

I blame the "Media" For a witch hunt! Disgraceful imo the way the flogs in the media have carried on!

Quote from: tbagrocks on May 23, 2015, 02:26:26 PM
I blame the "Media" For a witch hunt! Disgraceful imo the way the flogs in the media have carried on!

They're right though. Many have been pressuring Malthouse to perform ever since he came in. He hasn't really taken a forward step since Ratten was sacked.

Now the board are saying its a rebuild but Malthouse completely distances himself away from them. If he was on board he'd be giving Buckley and the rest of the under 25's as many games as possible.

I have posted my thoughts many times since Mick has been signed up. I am not going to bother to post the same thing every week since I will just sound like a broken record.

I am looking forward to the offseason to see what SOS is going to do with the list and who he targets. We will have a fresh coaching staff so I will be curious to see the people we bring in to try and develop these kids. I think fitness, medicos and conditioning should also be a top priority, I am curious to see if we target anyone in that area because we haven't had much luck recently.

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2015, 01:35:10 AM
I am looking forward to the offseason to see what SOS is going to do with the list and who he targets.

As an outsider I'm also very interested mate. Just the thought of him coming in and turning over the list is exciting

Quote from: Ricochet on May 24, 2015, 11:01:05 AM
As an outsider I'm also very interested mate. Just the thought of him coming in and turning over the list is exciting

Yup, add in the fact that everyone has been complimenting the GWS list build which he played a big part in creating as their list manager (obviously the concessions help) and a few potential father son picks in Rice, Bradley and Silvagni, it should be a fun offseason

There was talk of a possible board meeting tonight

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 23, 2015, 02:00:08 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 23, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
Why would he need to do recon though  :P

Not to be offensive but I wouldn't even worry about that game if I were Sydney (an easy 80 point win imo)

But yeah I don't think Sydney could get Yarran without giving up a talented player (and they aren't the sort of team that makes these sacrifices). Carlton could get significant value for him, a genuine talent imo (I'd say a 1st round pick is the least they could get)

Regardless of the opposition you have to do your homework. Using Port as an example, they played Brisbane last week and got smashed probably due to complacency. Being in Melbourne you go to the game and watch your opposition, see what Geelong did in the first quarter, check out Carlton's stoppage work, fly back up to Sydney and then smash them by 120 points.

Convinced me with that one sentence. As a power supporter I experienced it first hand. Still can't pinpoint what is happening myself (but this false sense of entitlement the Power players have had is now turning into another extreme, a sense of panic)

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2015, 01:35:10 AM
I have posted my thoughts many times since Mick has been signed up. I am not going to bother to post the same thing every week since I will just sound like a broken record.

I am looking forward to the offseason to see what SOS is going to do with the list and who he targets. We will have a fresh coaching staff so I will be curious to see the people we bring in to try and develop these kids. I think fitness, medicos and conditioning should also be a top priority, I am curious to see if we target anyone in that area because we haven't had much luck recently.

It might start by getting in some good young  key position players, an area we are and have been severely lacking. Missed on Talia, Cam McCarthy etc etc. Hughes and Rodgers were a big fail in my opinion so I too am curious to see what transpires from SOS.

Quote from: powersuperkents on May 24, 2015, 09:47:05 PM
Convinced me with that one sentence. As a power supporter I experienced it first hand. Still can't pinpoint what is happening myself (but this false sense of entitlement the Power players have had is now turning into another extreme, a sense of panic)

Port is a loss against the Dees away from panic stations. It was a close one up there from memory. I know they had the form slump last season but something doesn't seem to be right. I haven't watched their last 3 games so I can't really comment as to what has gone wrong.

Quote from: Diesels Pups on May 24, 2015, 11:33:26 PM
It might start by getting in some good young  key position players, an area we are and have been severely lacking. Missed on Talia, Cam McCarthy etc etc. Hughes and Rodgers were a big fail in my opinion so I too am curious to see what transpires from SOS.

I just want some A grade talent to come in. We need to build a new core over the next two drafts and trade periods. Even if we go midfield heavy, FA is going to help in terms of KPP's and rucks. Obviously the clubs like GWS and GC are the ones you want to target as they have a bunch of young guys but can't hang onto all of them.

GC for example have a ton of young key position talent. They won't part with Lynch, Wright, May and Thompson, but guys like Tape as a third tall, Dixon although he is injury prone, Sam Day who has played both ends but is getting squeezed out, one of Smith, Gorringe or Nicholls in the ruck. If we can get them for good value you think we might make a move

GWS have a crap load of mids coming out of contract, one of Treloar or Shiel would be a huge coup.

Bringing these guys in is not a band aid, they are in that 21-24 bracket, as long as we use our picks well we should be right. No more of these Jones, Tutt and Daisy type pick ups

It just hurts so much to see the club in such disarray, it seems so bad that i cant see a way out of it because there is just to much wrong with what is going on, the players hearts are flat out not in it, when they say they want Mick to coach and all the cliche's it just makes it worse, they are delusional, there is no connection between the words and the effort, feels like the whole club are delusional to be honest, the only people that arent are the fans.

In all honesty we should look to trade everyone, whoever we can get good value for should be moved on, after playing with this sort of disconnect between words and efforts we could wind up like Melbourne, there was a disconnected culture at Melbourne that is only just being weeded out now, that hung around for years though, i dont want that to happen to Carlton.

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2015, 01:35:10 AM
I have posted my thoughts many times since Mick has been signed up. I am not going to bother to post the same thing every week since I will just sound like a broken record.

I am looking forward to the offseason to see what SOS is going to do with the list and who he targets. We will have a fresh coaching staff so I will be curious to see the people we bring in to try and develop these kids. I think fitness, medicos and conditioning should also be a top priority, I am curious to see if we target anyone in that area because we haven't had much luck recently.

Do you think sos had any imput in to the recruitment of jaksch and Whiley

Quote from: blue on May 25, 2015, 03:35:36 PM

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2015, 01:35:10 AM
I have posted my thoughts many times since Mick has been signed up. I am not going to bother to post the same thing every week since I will just sound like a broken record.

I am looking forward to the offseason to see what SOS is going to do with the list and who he targets. We will have a fresh coaching staff so I will be curious to see the people we bring in to try and develop these kids. I think fitness, medicos and conditioning should also be a top priority, I am curious to see if we target anyone in that area because we haven't had much luck recently.

Do you think sos had any imput in to the recruitment of jaksch and Whiley

Jaksch needs to be played up forward

Whiley needs to go free in the midfield, not tagging

Two quality players. Regarding them, the problem is not recruiting, it's Malthause

Quote from: blue on May 25, 2015, 03:35:36 PM
Do you think sos had any imput in to the recruitment of jaksch and Whiley

SOS signed after the trade and draft period last offseason.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-25/blues-to-make-call-on-malthouses-future-during-the-bye-week-in-round-11

CARLTON has conceded constant speculation over Mick Malthouse's tenure is taking a toll on the club and will now make a call on the coach's future in the week of the club's round 11 bye.

Club president Mark LoGiudice had repeatedly said  the Blues would make a decision on the out-of-contract Malthouse in the second half of this season.

But in a letter to club members on Monday afternoon, LoGiudice said speculation over the three-time premiership coach's future had prompted the club to revise its timeframe.

"The position of senior coach is one that we have consistently said would be reviewed in the second-half of the season. That had always been the club’s intention, however, we now believe it is in the best interests of our football club to alter our timeline," LoGiudice said.

"Our CEO, Steven Trigg, and myself met with Mick Malthouse today, and agreed that in the best interests of the club, we would make a decision on the future direction of our senior coaching position in the week of the bye, which is round 11.

"Mick supports our revised timeline and has again committed to stay the course.

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 25, 2015, 04:34:45 PM

Quote from: blue on May 25, 2015, 03:35:36 PM
Do you think sos had any imput in to the recruitment of jaksch and Whiley

SOS signed after the trade and draft period last offseason.

Makes sense, the guy responsible for the Saints premiership run and the talent of GWS would never recruit Liam Jones  :P

I wasn't too sure on the Trigg hiring based on the salary cap stuff going on at the Crows and the stigma we still had as a club, but I have to say he is impressed me in the last week with the way he has spoken and handled all the pressure. It looks like the club made the right decision in appointing him.

at least this sideshow will be over sooner rather than later, if the same type of effort keeps getting dished up by the players who knows where we go, hopefully this change stimulates some competitiveness

I am not expecting a huge improvement, hopefully there is some effort, but what I expect over the next 10 weeks is for us to play the kids and to see who is required heading into next season. If guys like Watson, Armfield, Ellard etc. aren't going to be there in the future don't play them. Give someone like Nick Graham and Holman a shot to see what they can do. Maximise trade value and blood the kids

i do not accept that 'effort' is something that disappears the way it has with our playing group, we were where we needed to be with 'effort' throughout the second half of last year, if it does not reappear now the perceived problem has been rectified we really will need prune the list heavily, effort is non negotiable, it just has to be non negotiable at Carlton Football Club.

Im still baffled as to why Gibbs turned his back on Adelaide to stay ???

Quote from: tbagrocks on May 26, 2015, 05:34:20 PM
Im still baffled as to why Gibbs turned his back on Adelaide to stay ???

Well if these Betts allegations are true and the club can't hold Danger and Sloane... I'd probably rather be at Carlton :p

Matt any kids in particular you are looking forward to seeing debut?

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on May 26, 2015, 05:28:54 PM
i do not accept that 'effort' is something that disappears the way it has with our playing group, we were where we needed to be with 'effort' throughout the second half of last year, if it does not reappear now the perceived problem has been rectified we really will need prune the list heavily, effort is non negotiable, it just has to be non negotiable at Carlton Football Club.

Very true

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2015, 06:10:36 PM
Matt any kids in particular you are looking forward to seeing debut?

Maybe not exactly debut, but I would like to see them play the majority of games

Graham
Buckley
Cripps
Boek
Jaksch

Guys I would like to see be mixed in (maybe a solid month each)

Holman
Foster
Whiley
Dick
Viojo-Rainbow

Then guys like Giles and Byrne when they recover from their injuries

I think Gowers has started to impress in the reserves and Johnson had shown a bit so I wouldn't mind seeing him in the mix.

The reason I haven't included Clem is I would like him to spend the year in the reserves building a tank. We have seen his attack on the ball and his intensity which is great, but if we can get full runs into him in the VFL it might do him better in the long run

Quote from: elephants on May 26, 2015, 06:09:28 PM

Quote from: tbagrocks on May 26, 2015, 05:34:20 PM
Im still baffled as to why Gibbs turned his back on Adelaide to stay ???

Well if these Betts allegations are true and the club can't hold Danger and Sloane... I'd probably rather be at Carlton :p

Im glad you brought Betts up, gives me a chance to rant ................

Of course they spoke to Eddie a year earlier! What did the AFL expect was going to happen when they ludicrously brought in free agency? ::)

They're allowed to talk to him. Mick implied they had signed a deal already

Yeah agree with the rest of the guys, I'd really like to see a focus on playing the kids from here on in and determining dead weight and possible trade bait. One thing I'm really looking forward to is seeing what SOS can do in the off-season and the turn around of the list in general.

Just saw this, Worsfold has said he does not want the job at Carlton.

Quote from: Vinny on May 26, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Yeah agree with the rest of the guys, I'd really like to see a focus on playing the kids from here on in and determining dead weight and possible trade bait. One thing I'm really looking forward to is seeing what SOS can do in the off-season and the turn around of the list in general.

Just saw this, Worsfold has said he does not want the job at Carlton.

I think this might be a good thing.

just curious does SOS plan to try and coach one day or he happy as list manager?

I think he has more of an interest in list management. He already tried the coaching stuff, he was an assistant at a few clubs (Pies, Dogs and Saints) and then went into list management. There was a rumor that we were looking at him as a senior coach before we appointed Ratts, he was still at odds with the club when we approached him but I think long term what he is currently doing he enjoys more.

agree with Mat we ought to evaluate via the deep end, lets see how these guys handle consistent games at the elite level.

i jokingly said to my wife when Ratts was sacked that we would end up hiring him back, the more time that has passed the less silly this seems, currently serving under the best coach in the game, two time assistant premiership coach possibly three, his passion for our club is second to none and he has ticked every box as far as diversifying his coaching by learning from the best group in the game now, part of me is eager for this to happen and create success for our club.

Quote from: Vinny on May 26, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Just saw this, Worsfold has said he does not want the job at Carlton.

If he coaches again at anywhere but the Eagles I'll cry a little bit inside.

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Quote from: Vinny on May 26, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Yeah agree with the rest of the guys, I'd really like to see a focus on playing the kids from here on in and determining dead weight and possible trade bait. One thing I'm really looking forward to is seeing what SOS can do in the off-season and the turn around of the list in general.

Just saw this, Worsfold has said he does not want the job at Carlton.

I think this might be a good thing.

+1

I think they should give the job to Stewy Dew. Legend at Port Adelaide, Legend at Hawthorn, now even a legend at Sydney as an assistant. I can see him having a similar effect to Luke Beveridge and, ultimately, clearing out the trash (i.e. Liam Jones)

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Quote from: Vinny on May 26, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Yeah agree with the rest of the guys, I'd really like to see a focus on playing the kids from here on in and determining dead weight and possible trade bait. One thing I'm really looking forward to is seeing what SOS can do in the off-season and the turn around of the list in general.

Just saw this, Worsfold has said he does not want the job at Carlton.

I think this might be a good thing.

+1

I think they should give the job to Stewy Dew. Legend at Port Adelaide, Legend at Hawthorn, now even a legend at Sydney as an assistant. I can see him having a similar effect to Luke Beveridge and, ultimately, clearing out the trash (i.e. Liam Jones)

Can't see Dew leaving Sydney. Melbourne tried very hard to get him to succeed Roos but he opted to stay at the Swans.

Even BJ admitted on #360 the "Media" Influences people, so. Maybe the "Media" Have more to answer for when a legend like Mick is sacked?

Especially that idiot Steven Mark is it? ::)  I don't know why people give journo's so much credit and support? Id rather listen to a Rowey, Robbo, Matthews ect anyday! Robbo doesn't count as a Journo as he is a legend :P

Yeah it influences people but it was clear as anything that Malthouse had to go, the sooner the better

so who comes in for Judd and Gibbs?

Graham and Jaksch. I know Jaksch is a KPP but he needs to get games and we can't let White follow around Buddy/Tippett.

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 27, 2015, 07:54:48 PM
Graham and Jaksch. I know Jaksch is a KPP but he needs to get games and we can't let White follow around Buddy/Tippett.

Hendo is a test also but know point risking him really

Listed as a test but they mentioned on the Rush Hour today he isn't expected to play. Kreuz is a test so he might come in for Spudnock as well

How is Walker tracking?

They haven't let much out of the bag. If I was to bet on it I would say he has another surgery on the knee. They butchered it the first time from what they said in the pre-season with the original setback. He is listed as a test but I would say it is just about managing his work load to get through the year so you would say he doesn't play this week

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 27, 2015, 08:43:55 PM
Listed as a test but they mentioned on the Rush Hour today he isn't expected to play. Kreuz is a test so he might come in for Spudnock as well

Seriously? I thought he was supposed to be back last week :(

Matt what can you tell us about Bradley Walsh

honza seems hyped for him

The effort has to be there Friday Night, im excited, im nervous, we need to give a genuine contest that is all, the margin wont matter if we can see the players are now giving it their all, faith will be restored in the direction of the club.

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 27, 2015, 10:49:31 PM
Matt what can you tell us about Bradley Walsh

honza seems hyped for him

I haven't seen any VFL games this year so I can't comment. He has been named in the best the last couple of weeks I think from the VFL reports. He is rookie listed though so he would have to get elevated.

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on May 27, 2015, 11:10:33 PM
The effort has to be there Friday Night, im excited, im nervous, we need to give a genuine contest that is all, the margin wont matter if we can see the players are now giving it their all, faith will be restored in the direction of the club.

I am excited to see the team sheets tomorrow. It is like we are starting with a clean slate

absolutely, clean slate :)

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 27, 2015, 10:49:31 PM
Matt what can you tell us about Bradley Walsh

honza seems hyped for him

WA kid. Can play a bit, not sure how he's being going in the VFL though

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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 27, 2015, 10:49:31 PM
Matt what can you tell us about Bradley Walsh

honza seems hyped for him

WA kid. Can play a bit, not sure how he's being going in the VFL though

Been playing well the last 3 weeks, haven't seen him play, but been keeping an eye on the stats and he's being named in the best.

interesting so could get a shot soon

I am surprised both Hendo and Walker got up. Graham needs to play a full game, I don't mind the Carrots in because you can't play all kids and he will help Graham and Cripps out with direction on the field

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 28, 2015, 08:01:27 PM
I am surprised both Hendo and Walker got up. Graham needs to play a full game, I don't mind the Carrots in because you can't play all kids and he will help Graham and Cripps out with direction on the field

Exactly mate well said. Sometimes in times like this some supporters just say "play all the kids" but if you don't have experience around them guiding them, then they won't learn, and they'll actually go backwards

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Quote from: Mat0369 on May 28, 2015, 08:01:27 PM
I am surprised both Hendo and Walker got up. Graham needs to play a full game, I don't mind the Carrots in because you can't play all kids and he will help Graham and Cripps out with direction on the field

Exactly mate well said. Sometimes in times like this some supporters just say "play all the kids" but if you don't have experience around them guiding them, then they won't learn, and they'll actually go backwards

Yep - Just look at what happened to Melbourne during the Bailey era

I got my membership today.

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 29, 2015, 02:49:30 PM
I got my membership today.

I need a new one, my last one got broken a few weeks ago

Going to be pretty annoyed if Carlton have an excessive amount of taggers tonight - Malthouse who never tagged with Collingwood developed an unhealthy habit at Carlton.

Hopefully when Whiley breaks back into the team we can all see him run free (ball magnet) :)

Quote from: blue on May 29, 2015, 07:32:46 PM
I need a new one, my last one got broken a few weeks ago

They are sending it in the mail to me next week. If it's not there I can get a ticket from gate 3

While we lost there was a bit to take away from tonight. Obviously we are missing some class and that was obvious in the forward 50 entries and the disposal efficiency. The good thing though is when they made a mistake they busted their asses and tried to make up for it. Bell is probably the perfect example of this, screwed up a few times by hand or foot but went at it hard and did what he could to win the ball back. While it was a big margin in the end the game seemed a lot closer then the scores. Sydney were the better team, but it didn't feel like a 10 goal defeat. Cripps and Graham were both good in the middle. While Graham's disposal number might not be high, he did win a lot of possessions and was either wrapped up or it was knocked loose not resulting in a disposal. Buckley was great when he came on as well. I would love to see all three play out the rest of the year. I think to fit Graham into the rotation in the middle it might be best if we have a play 3 rest one with Carrots and Judd to get them through the year.

I am not going to focus on the negatives tonight but a few of the injuries are disappointing and hopefully they aren't too serious with Yaz and Menz. If we can keep up the effort against some of the lower end sides we will probably snag a couple of wins. While this might not be great in terms of draft position wins are great for the morale of a group bereft of confidence. You can see it when guys that normally hit targets are just struggling. It says either confidence or injury.

Considering Judd, Gibbs, & Murphy were all out, I think Carlton played well. Disregarding the score line and the periods in which Sydney dominated play, it was really competitive and Carlton played with a tenacity that we hadn't seen this season.

Really strong effort, I think removing Malthouse looks like the first step in the right direction. Liam Jones really has to go though, he shouldn't even be playing at AFL level and I can't imagine any club (even Carlton) wanting him - just doubtful potential.

They played with endeavour, I enjoyed seeing an honest effort.

Mick seemed to have some sort of grudge against Dylan Buckley, and while it was never officially noted, it was obviously there.
Now that Mick has been moved on, will we be seeing more of Dylan? In my opinion, he is the sort of player we need to be nurturing, as he makes up the future generation and could be a 150+ games player if the potential he possesses is tapped into. Thoughts on chance of Buckley games throughout rest of season (will he dodge the vest?) and of him as a player?

Quote from: fanTCfool on May 30, 2015, 10:12:58 PM
Mick seemed to have some sort of grudge against Dylan Buckley, and while it was never officially noted, it was obviously there.
Now that Mick has been moved on, will we be seeing more of Dylan? In my opinion, he is the sort of player we need to be nurturing, as he makes up the future generation and could be a 150+ games player if the potential he possesses is tapped into. Thoughts on chance of Buckley games throughout rest of season (will he dodge the vest?) and of him as a player?

Could it have had something to do with Dylan's father, Jim Buckley? Jim & Mick were playing at Carlton and Richmond, respectively, around the same time period.

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Quote from: fanTCfool on May 30, 2015, 10:12:58 PM
Mick seemed to have some sort of grudge against Dylan Buckley, and while it was never officially noted, it was obviously there.
Now that Mick has been moved on, will we be seeing more of Dylan? In my opinion, he is the sort of player we need to be nurturing, as he makes up the future generation and could be a 150+ games player if the potential he possesses is tapped into. Thoughts on chance of Buckley games throughout rest of season (will he dodge the vest?) and of him as a player?

Could it have had something to do with Dylan's father, Jim Buckley? Jim & Mick were playing at Carlton and Richmond, respectively, around the same time period.

It'd have to be a pretty hardcore grudge to pass it onto his kid so many years later.

An interesting quote from this article

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2015-carlton-list-manager-steven-silvagni-faces-uphill-battle-rebuilding-blues-list/story-fnp04d70-1227380047902

QuoteThe new Blues list manager wasn’t on board last year, but he was seen by senior AFL officials shaking his head as Carlton picked Boekhorst when players such as key defender Hugh Goddard were available.

Apparently we are in salary cap purgatory. This includes these two gems

QuoteDale Thomas was recruited on a hefty deal, only for ankle and shoulder injuries to turn the Collingwood star into a modest Carlton flanker.

His four-year deal has a trigger clause for a fifth year that Thomas himself can activate â€" and why wouldn’t he at $750,000 a year?

and

QuoteLiam Jones has kicked one goal in the past month â€" just six for the year â€" and was savaged for his five-possession performance against Sydney.

He isn’t going anywhere given he signed a three-year deal after being swapped for pick 46 in trade week, despite zero other suitors apart from his former club the Bulldogs.

I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.   

Quote from: powersuperkents on June 03, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Yeh I really cannot figure out why they picked him

They do need pace after Garlett/Betts both left, but surely those are 'icing' type players. Worry about the cake first

We had this conversation around draft time, I was pretty pissed we took Boekhorst where we did mainly because of his age. I would have happily taken him as our 2nd round pick because he did fit a need (outside mid with pace to burn).

Apparently the Dons were playing mind games with Carlton and saying they were going to take Boek with the pick they took Laverde meaning Carlton had to get him there or risk losing him. This is another reason I am glad that Mick's mate from Rogers is gone.

It was a draft that was supposed to be deep on key position talent, somewhere we are obviously thin, we took one key position player in the draft at pick 63 in Jayden Foster and topped up with Liam freaking Jones. To make matters worse, we lack small forwards, we go out and recruit Jason Tutt while Lambert was under our noses for multiple years at the Northern Blues. We passed him over multiple times in the rookie draft so we would have given up less for Lambert then we did for Tutt.

It will be interesting to see who attracts value and if we trade hard for some players and what direction we head in the draft. I haven't looked into this years draft class that much but we will likely have a top 3 pick. We can't waste it and need to try and maximise as much value as possible through all our picks

Actually we could have 3 father son pickups this year. Rice, Silvagni and Bradley. Rice is a halfback/wing, Jack is a key position prospect at both ends of the ground that has played some midfield and Jake is a lightly built speed demon like his old man. Jake is the one that has been a bit questionable just because he hasn't been able to play any consistent under 18's footy for his TAC side.

Quote from: Mat0369 on June 03, 2015, 07:28:03 PM
Actually we could have 3 father son pickups this year. Rice, Silvagni and Bradley. Rice is a halfback/wing, Jack is a key position prospect at both ends of the ground that has played some midfield and Jake is a lightly built speed demon like his old man. Jake is the one that has been a bit questionable just because he hasn't been able to play any consistent under 18's footy for his TAC side.

Isn't that ridiculous that they literally have just changed the F/S selection rules this year, the only time a team actually needs priority over the selection of certain players (rather than just taking advantage of a policy)  :-\

Depending on their reputation, Carlton might have to forgo one or even two of them (all because of Heeney - although I back academy picks over father/son because with the former the club has actually gone through the trouble of developing them)

Quote from: powersuperkents on June 03, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

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Quote from: powersuperkents on June 03, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

I'm regarding the short-term atm. The guy has potential and I can't deny that, it just doesn't make sense why Carlton say they need outside speed (referring to both the short and long term), and don't bother playing him. They stated that one of the reasons they selected him was that his body was AFL-ready.

I think they should be playing him tbh, there is no use having him play in the VFL (I can see the interim coach calling him up soon). I think Clem Smith will be the bargain selection (at #60) in the long-term (just needs to develop)

But I agree, no one can call a draft bust until the mid-to-late stage in a player's career and I don't think Boekhorst is a bust, I think he went too early in the draft (but again, he went early because Carlton needed outside run so looking through their perspective they were perfectly justified in using #19).

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Quote from: powersuperkents on June 03, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

I'm regarding the short-term atm. The guy has potential and I can't deny that, it just doesn't make sense why Carlton say they need outside speed (referring to both the short and long term), and don't bother playing him. They stated that one of the reasons they selected him was that his body was AFL-ready.

I think they should be playing him tbh, there is no use having him play in the VFL (I can see the interim coach calling him up soon). I think Clem Smith will be the bargain selection (at #60) in the long-term (just needs to develop)

It's not as simple as that though. Teams still need to aim to win, Boeky might not be in form, others may be ahead of him, team structures, team balance... there hundreds of reasons why a player may/may not be selected.

Just think it's impossible to judge a teams drafting based on half a year, a full year or even two years. Look at Palmer. How do you think Freo would have been feeling after his first year?

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Quote from: Ricochet on June 03, 2015, 10:18:07 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on June 03, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

I'm regarding the short-term atm. The guy has potential and I can't deny that, it just doesn't make sense why Carlton say they need outside speed (referring to both the short and long term), and don't bother playing him. They stated that one of the reasons they selected him was that his body was AFL-ready.

I think they should be playing him tbh, there is no use having him play in the VFL (I can see the interim coach calling him up soon). I think Clem Smith will be the bargain selection (at #60) in the long-term (just needs to develop)

It's not as simple as that though. Teams still need to aim to win, Boeky might not be in form, others may be ahead of him, team structures, team balance... there hundreds of reasons why a player may/may not be selected.

Just think it's impossible to judge a teams drafting based on half a year, a full year or even two years. Look at Palmer. How do you think Freo would have been feeling after his first year?

sorry mate, I revised my comment to further elucidate (look above), I completely agree with you. The original comment was based more on my opinion of the draftees in the upcoming draft and the current predicament I see Carlton in.

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Quote from: powersuperkents on June 03, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

I'm regarding the short-term atm. The guy has potential and I can't deny that, it just doesn't make sense why Carlton say they need outside speed (referring to both the short and long term), and don't bother playing him. They stated that one of the reasons they selected him was that his body was AFL-ready.

I think they should be playing him tbh, there is no use having him play in the VFL (I can see the interim coach calling him up soon). I think Clem Smith will be the bargain selection (at #60) in the long-term (just needs to develop)

It's not as simple as that though. Teams still need to aim to win, Boeky might not be in form, others may be ahead of him, team structures, team balance... there hundreds of reasons why a player may/may not be selected.

Just think it's impossible to judge a teams drafting based on half a year, a full year or even two years. Look at Palmer. How do you think Freo would have been feeling after his first year?

sorry mate, I revised my comment to further elucidate (look above), I completely agree with you. The original comment was based more on my opinion of the draftees in the upcoming draft and the current predicament I see Carlton in.

Fair enough man. I'm with you there, it'll be exciting to see what SOS does in the upcoming drafts

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I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

I'm regarding the short-term atm. The guy has potential and I can't deny that, it just doesn't make sense why Carlton say they need outside speed (referring to both the short and long term), and don't bother playing him. They stated that one of the reasons they selected him was that his body was AFL-ready.

I think they should be playing him tbh, there is no use having him play in the VFL (I can see the interim coach calling him up soon). I think Clem Smith will be the bargain selection (at #60) in the long-term (just needs to develop)

It's not as simple as that though. Teams still need to aim to win, Boeky might not be in form, others may be ahead of him, team structures, team balance... there hundreds of reasons why a player may/may not be selected.

Just think it's impossible to judge a teams drafting based on half a year, a full year or even two years. Look at Palmer. How do you think Freo would have been feeling after his first year?

sorry mate, I revised my comment to further elucidate (look above), I completely agree with you. The original comment was based more on my opinion of the draftees in the upcoming draft and the current predicament I see Carlton in.

Fair enough man. I'm with you there, it'll be exciting to see what SOS does in the upcoming drafts

Just by looking at GWS you can tell he is a bona fide professional. I think he is a big step in the right direction for Carlton.

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I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

I think it's more that we could have got Boekhurst anyway @pick 28 so we have to look at the combination of Boekhurst/Viojo-Rainbow to Laverde, Miller/Boekhurst. I personally would have preferred them to go the latter, that would have been a better combo. Proof is in the long term I suppose.

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I have to say, in hindsight, Boekhorst was a terrible pick. Even the poor performing debutants in every club have glimpses of talent. It's not Boekhorst that is terrible, it's the fact Mick used pick 19 when he could have selected Touk Miller, Connor Blakely or Laverde if he wanted a midfielder. Boekhorst would have been available for the club's second round pick.

Dunno how you can make that call after 9 rounds. They were after outside speed, Blakely doesn't provide that and Boeky has it in bucketloads. Maybe reassess after the next couple of years and then you can make that call

I think it's more that we could have got Boekhurst anyway @pick 28 so we have to look at the combination of Boekhurst/Viojo-Rainbow to Laverde, Miller/Boekhurst. I personally would have preferred them to go the latter, that would have been a better combo. Proof is in the long term I suppose.

They could have still gone Boekhorst/Miller if their next pick was at 28. Gold Coast got him as a slider at #29

Judd  :'(

It was pretty depressing at the ground right after it happened. At least I got to be there for his last game

Well done Juddy, you should call it mate, you've done enough

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Judd  :'(

It was pretty depressing at the ground right after it happened. At least I got to be there for his last game

so hard to watch, what a great ride though, tip my hat to the navy blue bald eagle, legend.

Im really enjoying the new dashing in waves from the back line style of play, its exciting and the effort has been bloody good 8)

This is the copy past job of my thoughts on the game since I am in a bit better of a mood.

I thought we played extremely well, this was probably the best 4 quarter effort I have seen all year even though it was a loss. The first 15 minutes were brilliant, Simmo was playing loose and calling players into position to close up space. Once Simmo came off for a rest we broke down in transition the Crows were able to score quickly.

This was the best game I had seen Murph play in a while. He was simply amazing, he looked fit and firing. Hendo started slow but was very good after the first quarter. Simmo was amazing and lead by example again, it was awesome to see him running through the midfield again. He played a lot off the wing and through the middle in the 2nd half.

Cripps was good again, Graham looked good too, he showed a bit and has to keep playing. While Cripps and Graham are both plodders and can be beat in transition for leg speed, their contested and clearance wbork is awesome. When we start playing a better team defense we will be able to cover for them a bit more.

Buckley's run out of the backline was brilliant, like Graham he has to keep playing. It was good to see us running and attacking in numbers. It was almost like a flying V and it was great to watch. I haven't seen us run and attack like that in years.

Other players that were great included Curnow, Docherty, Everitt and Bell for their intent. While a couple of them butchered the ball a bit they kept going and you can't fault their intent

The gameplan also looked a hell of a lot better. We tried to avoid blazing away long and maintain possession while also trying to play on. The crowd got restless a few times because we were chipping back and sideways but the players had nothing ahead. It was a clear directive that they were told to switch and chip it around if they couldn't turn and go because Simmo went up and gave it to one of the young blokes that did the opposite. He ended up going to a contested one on one on the flank near the boundary line (which we marked) but there were 3 or 4 players calling for the switch 15 seconds before that. The run and carry was also great to see and we were trying to zone in defense with the loose (Simmo) chopping off and forcing the opposition to either kick it to a 1 on 2 or go short.

I think we dominated a hell of a lot of the game, while Adelaide had more scoring shots, the score board probably reflected the result. Adelaide were able to score a bit easier when they were dominating but we forced them into a few tough shots hence the behinds. At the end of the game they were able to exploit a couple of matchups (I'll get to that in the negatives) and in the end won the game.

One more positive before the negatives. Matty Kreuzer, welcome back to footy. While he may not have had the most in terms of disposals, his impact was huge. I will give a couple of examples. He managed to go back into defense a couple of times and effect some spoils that no other ruck on our list would have been able to execute effectively. One was a 1 on 1 where Sauce drew him deep, lead up to the ball and Kreuz spoiled the ball perfectly like a defender. The other one was late in the game when it was on the line, Kreuz comes in out of nowhere and executes another spoil, follows up, gets the ball and delivers it to an open team mate. He hit the score board, his tap work was brilliant and he tackled and pressured.

Now to the negatives, we had a few players that had absolute shockers. Sam Rowe probably played his worst game in a while. He was double grabbing everything that came his way. We were also trying to zone and Rowe was getting sucked up to the ball carrier when we already had a player in his face. This was resulting in Crows players getting loose out the back on their own for easy scoring shots. Tutt is 100% not an AFL level player, he just has no awareness and his disposal is shocking. We had quite a few players be poor by foot and it looked like a confidence thing because they normally hit targets. We also had a poor matchup late of Walker on Jenkins which was just a bad size mismatch.

If we can keep performing like this for the rest of the year it will do nothing but good for the future of the club and the development of some of these guys.

great write up mate im on board with everything youve stated including Tutt.

Crippsy's endeavor was fantastic, so impressed with his progress, absolute warmachine 8)

Congrats Judd on an amazing career :'(

On another note what's the go with Byrne he looked really good when he played and then got injured.... Will he come back through the twos ya reckon!?

He would have to. It is a hamstring injury so he would have lost a bit of fitness

@Mat069, Glad to see someone else acknowledge the fact that Tutt is downright useless. Was rushing his disposal even though he had time to deliver to someone. Lot of mistakes and it wasn't just this game. He can go visit his mate  Jones down in the VFL, cause he not AFL standard. +1 right there.

I hated the moves (Tutt and Jones) when they happened and my opinion hasn't changed. Apart from the simple turnovers (like the kick across goal that rolled out of bounds when he had a teammate on his own with no one within 20 meters), he just doesn't play smart footy. He turned to wheel and go at one point at the half forward flank and there was already a Crows player on the mark so he put himself and his team mate under unneeded pressure who was running on his outside and tucked on the boundary line. He just had to hold the footy and find one of the open options inside 50 since we had plenty.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-13/u18s-jack-silvagni-boots-six-as-metro-thump-wa

A replay of the game is on at 11 am tomorrow on Fox if you want to get a glimpse out our future

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/chris-judd-to-help-carlton-pick-new-coach

This is smart, the fact that Judd is on the panel. It should ease some of the tension between board and supporters as Juddy is respected on and off the field by both parties. He also has a fresh view from the playing group perspective so he might know what suits the group best.

Fanbloodytastic effort today, such a breath of fresh air to see the lads hustling, speaking of lads and hustling, Mr Cripps 8)
loving everything about his game at the moment right down to his demeanor afterwards when it was obvious everyone was gushing over him and he was very nonchalant about it, would love to see him get some work into his overhead marking and kicking for goal, he is a nightmare matchup anywhere on the ground.
I thought the little nugget Graham was solid today to, first time ive seen him play freely, looked as though he feels at home in the team now and it showed through with how he went about it. 
I was impressed with John Barker's demeanor also, very calm and calculated, didnt at all seem surprised he just chalked up his first win as an AFL coach and then undersold it in the interview afterwards, i love our run and carry style and think we will only get better at it executing it as the teams confidence grows.

It was an amazing game and an amazing effort. We look like a completely different team out there. The last few minutes were so intense. I was trying to get time updates but didn't. You couldn't help but jump out of your seat when the siren went, it was an awesome feeling.

Cripps and Graham have continued to grow, everyone has been gushing over Cripps and rightly so, hence I figured I would talk about Graham. The fact this kid has not been getting games is a disgrace. He is a tackling machine, finds the pill and hits the scoreboard. He tackled with intent like the rest of his team mates and attacked every contest brutally. It will be tough to keep it up for the rest of the season because he is still very young, especially in that role, but we have seen enough to know he can play at this level.

Speaking of the tackling, I loved it. It was bordering on that 'unsociable' football style the Hawks played and that is what we need. If we are going to lose games at least make the opposition earn it and win the fight in close. One of the reasons the Hawks have been so successful is they play on the edge and try and put fear into their opponents. When you have some big boys like Cripps and Bell, they can physically intimidate most midfielders. Bell's tackle on Trengove epitomised this.

I have said previously we looked like the worst drilled and structured team in the league under Malthouse, this is no longer the case. The perfect example is the kickouts. We have a set play we have used a couple of times and pretty much moved the ball from kick in to the wing in 5 seconds. It is almost like an old school huddle with one player breaking on the 45, the kicker then puts it in front of the runner towards the flank, they then run onto it and kick it up the field. We ran it a few times perfectly. It is just little stuff like this, for much of the year we took the short kick into the pocket and then screwed ourselves struggling to get the ball forward. Simmo has also been nowhere near the last line in defense. He has either played loose or played on the wing which is perfect for him.

Murph is starting to string together a few top end performances and is leading from the front, all the leaders stood up on the weekend. Carrots, Simmo, Gibbs, Hendo and Rowe all played excellent games. It was great to see Rowe bounce back after having a shocker last week. It was an entire group contribution and everyone that played that day deserves some credit and a pat on the back, however they can't get caught up in the emotion of a single win. We have the Suns and Dogs in the next two, they need to bust their asses this week to try and beat the Suns who are in a pretty bad position and then play with the same intent against the Dogs. If we lose to the Dogs and show the same intent I won't be disappointed, but if we roll over and fall into those other bad habits then I will be pissed.

Onto the coach, John Barker is making a very strong case for this job. The turnaround has been nothing short of amazing and just watching some of the set plays and execution he and the coaching group that are implementing these have to be kept on. It is still early to make the call but on exposed form I would be happy for  him to get the job. It would be nice to maybe poach a key assistant away from another club to help him out but well done to the boys.

I just read Gibbs accepted the 2 game ban, I think the should have challenged

Yeah agree with everything you've said, if Barker can maintain this level of competiveness and get the best out of the youth with the time left, I'd be more than happy for him to get the job.

The turn around has been actually insane. Cripps and Bell are the future, that play they had yesterday with Cripps' backward handball to Bell who drills it from 30 out was awesome. Just saw this stat, only player that has averaged more hardball gets than Cripps is Fyfe, what a jet.

I'm stoked that we are tackling, from a team that was 18th in the competition in the Malthouse period to the way we are tackling at every opportunity shows the change Barker has been able to bring. The effort is immense and the leaders seem to be stepping up, Murphy has been unbelievable in the last two games, he hurt himself and couldn't have much of an impact in the last quarter being off but the boys still got it done.

Great to see Kreuzer out there and flowering keep Jones out of the side...

Feel like we finally have something to look forward to, can't wait to see what SOS brings off the field too. Shattering that Judd is missing out on this, he didn't get to play in a win this year. :'(

Also found it interesting that there was small talk/possibility of Shiel coming to Carlton at the end of the season. Judd being his favourite player growing up and him being a massive Carlton fan. With SOS coming over, the potential was maybe there. Judd goes down with his career ending injury and Sheil re-signs with GWS in that week. Just a theory, I like to think it played a very small part in his decision? :P

Shiel and Treloar were both Carlton fans growing up and Treloar was the Juddy obsessed one. If we can snatch Treloar that would be huge.

Also with Cripps there is still so much improvement left in his game. If he can improve his kicking with time and be able to take his opponents forward with his size he will be borderline unstoppable

wonder how much of our games Mick is watching now :D

I think we will get a chance to look at both Jack and Bailey again if both are named for Metro and Country on Friday.

I will post this in here, I just finished watching the Open Mike with Jordan Bannister. A couple of interesting facts

*He was sacked by Pagan at half time of the Lions game, Pagan was sacked and Ratts said he would play him the rest of the year and kept him on the list for a couple more.
*He said he still feels awkward going into the Blues rooms and the fact he has to call the players like Walker Andrew since he has never called him Andrew ever.
*He has spoken to a couple of players about becoming umpires in the future including Carrots and Jeffy. He said Carrots would be a huge coup for the umpires and that he mentioned it to Jeffy because he feels that there should be an Indigenous umpire and he has all the tools to be successful. Carrots is looking likely with all the rumors and Jeffy just laughed it off
*The stuff with his brother is just a sad case. After the accident he was going to be bedridden for his entire life and couldn't eat or drink. It just took a massive toll on the whole family

It's worth a watch

This is an old article, but it is related to Jack Silvagni. It was written before he kicked 6 at the under 18 championships.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/steve-silvagnis-son-jack-certain-to-be-drafted-but-carlton-faces-father-son-conundrum-under-new-rules/story-fn69a32t-1227366645307

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-moves-to-sign-us-basketballer-matt-korcheck-from-arizona/story-fni5f5nx-1227418717504

Today's game was a bit scrappy. We struggled in the first quarter but after the first break we lifted and then ran away with it in the 2nd half.

They were intent on maintaining possession. They looked to turn and go, if there was nothing on they tried to manufacture a switch to get some players into space before pulling the trigger and moving the ball quickly. It broke down a couple of times due to a lack of foot skills but it is a good starting point.

Everyone is buying into the tackling pressure. There were some great aggressive tackles again from the boys. It is like Barker has told them if you don't tackle you don't get a gig. This is why guys like Dennis and Ellard have held spots. They have been really good with their pressure, they aren't the best by foot but they kept tackling and doing the little things.

Menzel was excellent in the first, the injury was a disappointment. I heard on the radio on the way home that they were able to do an ultrasound at the ground to see there were no breaks and they also did the structural tests on the knee and it looked all good. He was just sore which is why we subbed him off so hopefully everything is good.

Tommy Bell is amazing. The human wrecking ball was in full effect today. He was just breaking through tackles and running through the lines. He is another that the disposal isn't always great but he just throws his body around. I have been a huge wrap for him for a while and I reckon he would be close to leading the B&F

Tuohy is one that has struggled for form the last few years but he has been exceptional the last few games. I think the overall improved team defense has helped him out and not allowing the opposition to expose his deficiencies. He has been running the ball out and using it very well. He is probably our best shot from outside 50 as well.

Kreuz was great again, the tractor was out in full force, it is good to see him getting a few games under his belt and playing so well.

I don't know why the Suns thought it was a good idea to tag Cripps and let Murph off the hook. Murph had another great game and keeps leading from the front.

I can keep pumping up players since we again had another team effort but I will only go with two more. The first is Simon White. He has been having to battle out of his weight class due to Jamo being out and he has been busting his ass and doing a great job.

The 2nd is Holman, he comes on, lays a tackle and his first two kicks hit a teammate on the chest. He looked awesome out there, a big turnaround from his first game where he was thrown to the wolves and forced to play last line in defense when he is more of a mid.

Yeah well done boys. Just wanna mention a couple guys in what was a nice team performance.

Today was obviously a very good experience for Cripps, for a 20 year old copping a tight tag, he was great. Disappeared at times but managed to work his way back into the game and like the rest of the team, the aggressive tackling was awesome to watch. But jesus, Raines was dirty at times. They were all good after the game and the guys on Fox were saying that Raines went up and shook Patty's hand and said you're good or something and he smiled. Cripps just seems like such a humble hardworking guy, so stoked with him. Tom flowering Bell! The guys core strength is ridiculous, he cannot be brought down and the way he just bounces off players is awesome. Good on him with a career best 32.

There would be a lot to learn for Cripps after getting matched up against an experienced tagger like Raines, can see this lad going far.

we were inconsistent today, when we are on gee we are exciting, the effort is just so pleasing now, the first half of 2015 :-[

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/levi-casboults-new-found-confidence-makes-him-a-key-figure-in-potential-carlton-resurgence-says-sam-rowe/story-fni5f22o-1227419591861

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-06-30/carlton-launches-fatherson-academy

Bailey Rice, Jake Bradley and Jack Silvagni all there.

I am going to keep this short and sweet compared to the others on the Dogs game.

We pretty much kept up with them in every area but kicking straight. Our kicking on goal for the first 3 quarters was atrocious. The Dogs started the last quarter on fire and we couldn't keep up, at least we fought back in the end. The Dogs defensive set up was amazing. It was the best full ground press I had seen in the last 3 games live. This cause a lot of issues and didn't allow us to go coast to coast. Wood was lining up on Tutt and didn't have to be accountable for him so he could create the 2 on 1.

Another set up the Dogs used to help curtail us was get numbers just outside the stoppage and set up a loose a kick away. So basically when we looked to spread we had nothing but Dogs around us making it difficult to run and carry and when they tried to kick it clear the loose was there to counter. We started to work around it by maintaining possession but a stray kick or two would kill our forward movement. Again, something to learn from in the future.

Dennis somehow had 2.4 and one out on the full which sums up our kicking at goal that night. Also Wood is a spaz, hopefully we don't see him again next year.

Hopefully Cripps and Everitt are alright. I am not sure on Blaine on Blaine. Johnson looked more comfortable as the game went on. He is a rookie listed player so we can't expect too much but he played better then Boek which is very disappointing.

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I am going to keep this short and sweet compared to the others on the Dogs game.

We pretty much kept up with them in every area but kicking straight. Our kicking on goal for the first 3 quarters was atrocious. The Dogs started the last quarter on fire and we couldn't keep up, at least we fought back in the end. The Dogs defensive set up was amazing. It was the best full ground press I had seen in the last 3 games live. This cause a lot of issues and didn't allow us to go coast to coast. Wood was lining up on Tutt and didn't have to be accountable for him so he could create the 2 on 1.

Another set up the Dogs used to help curtail us was get numbers just outside the stoppage and set up a loose a kick away. So basically when we looked to spread we had nothing but Dogs around us making it difficult to run and carry and when they tried to kick it clear the loose was there to counter. We started to work around it by maintaining possession but a stray kick or two would kill our forward movement. Again, something to learn from in the future.

Dennis somehow had 2.4 and one out on the full which sums up our kicking at goal that night. Also Wood is a spaz, hopefully we don't see him again next year.

Hopefully Cripps and Everitt are alright. I am not sure on Blaine on Blaine. Johnson looked more comfortable as the game went on. He is a rookie listed player so we can't expect too much but he played better then Boek which is very disappointing.

It was obvious to me Boek is not ready for AFL just yet. Still needs the development of an 18 year old. They were saying when they picked him up that he already had a couple of years in the WAFL so he could be a ready made player for us.  Unfortunately not the case and by the time he  develops enough he'll already be close to mid twenties. Could be wrong but that's my take on it.
Good write up about the game, Blues just needed more poise when we had the run of play. Some really bad missed opportunities, and we did miss those 3 outs in Rowe, Carrazzo, and Docherty.

So it turns out Nick Graham is out for 3 weeks with a foot injury. Cripps and Everitt if they both get through training will play.

mat did you see Tom Fields on 360 on Tuesday

kid can kick it from the goal square to the center circle

consistently as well

well at least 3 times :P

They showed one a couple of weeks back where he cleared it. Jamo and Tuohy can also get onto a few. Fields was trying to become a punter so he can boot it. If he wants to make the next level he will have to show accuracy and defensive ability etc.

Interested to see how many changes we make to a side that did reasonably well last week despite lacking poise at times.

Jamison, Docherty, Gibbs, Carrots, Rowe, Menzel and maybe Walker could come back in.

That would leave us with almost a full strength side besides Daisy probably.

Quote from: Vinny on July 09, 2015, 02:33:26 PM
Interested to see how many changes we make to a side that did reasonably well last week despite lacking poise at times.

Jamison, Docherty, Gibbs, Carrots, Rowe, Menzel and maybe Walker could come back in.

That would leave us with almost a full strength side besides Daisy probably.

Daisy?  Who? :o

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Daisy?  Who? :o

I seriously hope someone is dumb enough to give us a late first/early 2nd for him.

No Rowe is interesting (named an emergency), but it might have a bit to do with the potential poor weather. I wouldn't mind seeing him or ideally a runner come in for Cam Wood late.

Holman also getting a nice string of games is good. Carrots, Gibbs and Menz are 3 huge ins and Fields will get a crack in his first game.

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Quote from: Diesels Pups on July 09, 2015, 11:13:33 PM
Daisy?  Who? :o

I seriously hope someone is dumb enough to give us a late first/early 2nd for him.

No Rowe is interesting (named an emergency), but it might have a bit to do with the potential poor weather. I wouldn't mind seeing him or ideally a runner come in for Cam Wood late.

Holman also getting a nice string of games is good. Carrots, Gibbs and Menz are 3 huge ins and Fields will get a crack in his first game.

Seriously, highest paid player at Carlton? What a joke. Collingwood were onto it and we(The Blues) were stupid enough to fall for it. Anyway I digress, Rowe as emergency is a weird one, tells me there could be a late change but I didn't think about the weather so that could have been a factor. Good to have those three in, might be a chance.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-13/season-over-for-gibbs (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-13/season-over-for-gibbs)

Gibbs is out for the rest of the season.

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-13/season-over-for-gibbs (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-13/season-over-for-gibbs)

Gibbs is out for the rest of the season.

Unlucky "Pal"

That sucks about Gibbs. He played really well in the Richmond game as well. I guess this helps our legitimate quest for a top end draft pick by not technically tanking. We have a pretty tough schedule to finish the season.

Thoughts on Fields guys? Haven't seen the past 2 weeks, do you think he's done enough to get a decent run of games? Is there anyone due back soon that could/would push him out?

Quote from: Rusty00 on July 22, 2015, 09:52:30 AM
Thoughts on Fields guys? Haven't seen the past 2 weeks, do you think he's done enough to get a decent run of games? Is there anyone due back soon that could/would push him out?

I guess my question has been answered :P

So while we got smashed last week, there were some positives early. We maintained possession really well in the first quarter and picked the right options, it was just poor execution which cost us. With a team like Hawthorn you can't afford to turn the ball over, it just goes down the other end of the field instantly and into scoring positions. It will be nice to see if we can use the ball well tonight. Our skills have been seriously lacking and when there is no pressure to go with it we see those blowouts.

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 01, 2015, 05:21:19 PM
So while we got smashed last week, there were some positives early. We maintained possession really well in the first quarter and picked the right options, it was just poor execution which cost us. With a team like Hawthorn you can't afford to turn the ball over, it just goes down the other end of the field instantly and into scoring positions. It will be nice to see if we can use the ball well tonight. Our skills have been seriously lacking and when there is no pressure to go with it we see those blowouts.

Have not seen a team with so many players that make so many errors with the ball as this team Carlton. No exception tonight. It absolutely puzzles me some of the things they do. :'(
A good first half by the semi young bloke, Blaine Boekhurst though. That was encouraging. :)

The effort that we were getting when Barker first took over has fallen away in most, this tells me the sickness has become habitual in for those, rooting out these weeds is essential in the building and culling of the list for 2016

Agreed on Boekhorst, he was very good in the first half.

Our ball use was pretty atrocious again, we lifted in the second quarter and then didn't give a yelp. They interviewed Murph in the post game  on Triple M and he was brutally honest which I loved. Robbo asked him the message that Barks gave them after the game. He said that their standards had not been up to scratch during the week and Barker gave them some hard truths on what it takes to play AFL football and they need to lift these standards. They have barely any contributors and it sounded like these passengers either lift, play their role and contribute or they will be done. Murph sound pretty pissed off and rightfully so because he has been one of the few contributors.

yeah Murph is showing plenty of ticker

Agreed. Trying to lead from the front and set an example. His ball use wasn't great last week but he is still busting his ass. So are Curnow and Simmo. Bell has been pretty good all season as well but drifted off the last couple. Kreuz has been trying his ass off since he has been back as well. I just realised Murph will be 29 next year. We desperately need some quality youth.

Curnow will be 26 later this year, Bell will be 25 next season, Levi 26, Hendo 26 later this year, Yaz 25 later in the season, Kreuz 27, Gibbs 27, Jamo 30, Rowe 28 later this year, Everitt 27, White 28 and Tuohy 26.

Then some of our youth isn't that young, Graham and Boek will be 22 next year, Bucks 23 and Menz after the season finishes.

I also just noticed Sheehan will be 25 this year just after the season

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-08-06/rice-to-run-out-for-northern-blues

I might go early on Saturday

With Yarran being dropped again, what do you think he'd cost in a trade? Second rounder?

Quote from: TomK on August 06, 2015, 07:51:04 PM
With Yarran being dropped again, what do you think he'd cost in a trade? Second rounder?

Hands awffff

Quote from: elephants on August 06, 2015, 09:20:10 PM

Quote from: TomK on August 06, 2015, 07:51:04 PM
With Yarran being dropped again, what do you think he'd cost in a trade? Second rounder?

Hands awffff

Eddie will get him over the line ;)

Quote from: elephants on August 06, 2015, 09:20:10 PM

Quote from: TomK on August 06, 2015, 07:51:04 PM
With Yarran being dropped again, what do you think he'd cost in a trade? Second rounder?

Hands awffff

Yeah, Na, I think he's gone. Probs high first round (15-18), or low second round and some other change in draft order.

You would need a first for Yaz considering he is contracted. Rice adds to the intrigue considering he is a potential father son selection and plays the same position

Sam McClure ‏@sam_mcclure  41s41 seconds ago
Chris Yarran has just hobbled off the ground in the VFL. Doesn't look good.

do u guys think Bell will be mid only next year

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/hendersons-carlton-career-finished-20150819-gj3bcw.html

QuoteCarlton tall Lachie Henderson has requested a trade and won't play for the Blues again.

The Carlton leadership group and coaches decided it was "in the best interests of the club that Lachie sits out of the remaining three games this season".

Football boss Andrew McKay: We want people who yearn to play for our Carlton jumper â€" and who will accept the responsibility that comes with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHfIHgvkFyk

Here is a little honesty for Hendo, if you and some of your mates weren't so mentally weak we probably wouldn't be last on the ladder right now. You probably should have been in the VFL earlier because playing one decent quarter of footy every 5 weeks isn't something you expect from one of your leaders. You went from a borderline All Australian CHB to a non factor in the span of 2 years. You had a chance to showcase your 'value' if you were going to pull this at the end of the season and all you ended up doing was performing so poorly that you ended up quitting on the week you were going to be dropped anyway. Hopefully we can still get a first round pick for you mate but at the end of the day if you want to go be part of a 'super team' that is going to back fire good luck to you.

Gotta say, I find it strange how Henderson was told to pack his bags immediately.

I mean - all he did was be honest and tell them he was going to leave. And then to be shown the door and kicked out of the club immediately?

We go on and on about how players shouldn't keep clubs in the dark about future intentions... this is why they aren't. I just would've expected a bit more professionalism from Carlton, it isn't like he was going to tank in the final 3 games, in fact he was probably likely to try harder so that other clubs would want him.

This is business now guys, not a cult.

Tommy Bell apparently considering leaving as well... He has been great this year, would be a bad loss :(

Haha maybe he did it so he wouldn't have to play VFL for the next 3 weeks. Probably in the best interest of both parties so as not to de-value him right before trade time :p

Quote from: ossie85 on August 20, 2015, 04:28:55 PM

Gotta say, I find it strange how Henderson was told to pack his bags immediately.

I mean - all he did was be honest and tell them he was going to leave. And then to be shown the door and kicked out of the club immediately?

We go on and on about how players shouldn't keep clubs in the dark about future intentions... this is why they aren't. I just would've expected a bit more professionalism from Carlton, it isn't like he was going to tank in the final 3 games, in fact he was probably likely to try harder so that other clubs would want him.

This is business now guys, not a cult.

And what benefit do we have in playing Hendo or keeping him around the last 3 weeks? We play him and he gets injured where does that leave us? He would have played reserves footy this week anyway, Barker said he was going to be dropped. If you don't want to play for the club then go. Keeping him around right now is not what is best for business, plain and simple.

Carlton need to plan for the future and we are better off getting games into guys who are going to be in our future plans. It is not like we are in the same position as an Adelaide with Danger. We are last on the ladder, Danger might have made up his mind but the Crows are competing for finals, we are planning for the future.

I was going to post this as well

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tom-bell-could-join-lachie-henderson-in-leaving-carlton-this-trade-window/story-fnp04d70-1227491606714

QuoteCARLTON is braced for more exits during the trade period, with big-bodied midfielder Tom Bell considering a move back to his native Queensland.

However, Bell remains under contract until 2016 and has not yet requested a trade.

The 24-year-old is committed to completing the season and will assess the club’s position before making any decision.

The lure of a return home is a natural temptation for Bell, with family expected to play a big role in where he plays his football next season.

Bell has enjoyed a career-best year in 2015 and is averaging close to 21 disposals per game.

The Blues officially announced that swingman Lachie Henderson has requested a trade on Thursday morning, but he is unlikely to be the club’s last departure.

Chris Yarran and Troy Menzel could also join the exodus in the upcoming trade period.

Both have only one year remaining on their current contracts and have recently been dropped to the reserves for failing to meet on-field standards.

Yarran has been linked to Richmond and West Coast, while Central Districts product Menzel is high on the radar of both South Australian clubs.

Should the Blues offload the duo, they could take as many as four first-round selections to the draft table in November.

The club could also offset the series of departures with the acquisition of Essendon tall Jake Carlisle.

The 23-year-old is yet to re-sign at Essendon, who are adamant any trade involving the player would require a first-round draft pick in exchange.

However, the Blues can retain their early selections if they convince Carlisle to walk to the pre-season draft.

Carlton is likely to face competition for Carlisle’s signature from North Melbourne and St Kilda, but it is understood the Western Bulldogs have cooled their interest.

Quote from: elephants on August 20, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Haha maybe he did it so he wouldn't have to play VFL for the next 3 weeks. Probably in the best interest of both parties so as not to de-value him right before trade time :p

He already did that himself this year. At the start of the year he probably would have got us a 5-10 range pick, not sure if we will get that now.

Quote from: Toga on August 20, 2015, 04:35:15 PM
Tommy Bell apparently considering leaving as well... He has been great this year, would be a bad loss :(

This is probably a bigger loss then Hendo right now. He is sitting probably top 3 in the B&F. Bell will be 25 next year though so he isn't all that young.

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 20, 2015, 04:36:11 PM
And what benefit do we have in playing Hendo or keeping him around the last 3 weeks? We play him and he gets injured where does that leave us? He would have played reserves footy this week anyway, Barker said he was going to be dropped. If you don't want to play for the club then go. Keeping him around right now is not what is best for business, plain and simple.

Carlton need to plan for the future and we are better off getting games into guys who are going to be in our future plans. It is not like we are in the same position as an Adelaide with Danger. We are last on the ladder, Danger might have made up his mind but the Crows are competing for finals, we are planning for the future.

Value for keeping him would include:
- Showing the players they can be honest without being punished, rather than being scared into submission
- Maximises the value of the player so you can get the best benefit from trading him, rather than demonising as a selfish player which would reduce his value to others
- Gives you the best possibility of avoiding the spoon if he proved to be in your best 22 (assuming Carlton don't want to finish last)
- Advertises the club externally to other players that this is a positive work environment
- Keep door open for the future relationships - what if Henderson has a son that would be good enough to play for you? What if he turned out to be a great coach? What if he has influence with other players at the club?

I really don't see much benefit in telling him to pack his bags and get out

Quote from: ossie85 on August 20, 2015, 04:46:23 PM
Value for keeping him would include:
- Showing the players they can be honest without being punished, rather than being scared into submission - he did and it was something that is mutually beneficial for both parties at this point of the season
- Maximises the value of the player so you can get the best benefit from trading him, rather than demonising as a selfish player which would reduce his value to others - he was playing VFL regardless this week, that will only hurt his value and if he gets injured playing in reserve games where does that leave us?
- Gives you the best possibility of avoiding the spoon if he proved to be in your best 22 (assuming Carlton don't want to finish last) - non factor, based on form this year he wouldn't have played in our only winnable game for the rest of the season being this week. We also need a top two pick with our lack of key position players so I wouldn't be surprised if we shelved a couple regardless
- Advertises the club externally to other players that this is a positive work environment - the fact he has requested a trade isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the club, so keeping him around an extra 3 weeks doesn't exactly prove this if he so clearly wants out.
- Keep door open for the future relationships - what if Henderson has a son that would be good enough to play for you? What if he turned out to be a great coach? What if he has influence with other players at the club? - Again, no real burnt bridges, he wanted out, we granted him his wish

The club needs to make a stand, we need to show strong leadership and allowing Hendo to linger in the VFL for three weeks doesn't do any good for anyone.

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 20, 2015, 04:57:33 PM

Quote from: ossie85 on August 20, 2015, 04:46:23 PM
Value for keeping him would include:
- Showing the players they can be honest without being punished, rather than being scared into submission - he did and it was something that is mutually beneficial for both parties at this point of the season
- Maximises the value of the player so you can get the best benefit from trading him, rather than demonising as a selfish player which would reduce his value to others - he was playing VFL regardless this week, that will only hurt his value and if he gets injured playing in reserve games where does that leave us?
- Gives you the best possibility of avoiding the spoon if he proved to be in your best 22 (assuming Carlton don't want to finish last) - non factor, based on form this year he wouldn't have played in our only winnable game for the rest of the season being this week. We also need a top two pick with our lack of key position players so I wouldn't be surprised if we shelved a couple regardless
- Advertises the club externally to other players that this is a positive work environment - the fact he has requested a trade isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the club, so keeping him around an extra 3 weeks doesn't exactly prove this if he so clearly wants out.
- Keep door open for the future relationships - what if Henderson has a son that would be good enough to play for you? What if he turned out to be a great coach? What if he has influence with other players at the club? - Again, no real burnt bridges, he wanted out, we granted him his wish

happy to agree to disagree, but Henderson clearly wanted to be around the last 3 weeks

The club needs to make a stand, we need to show strong leadership and allowing Hendo to linger in the VFL for three weeks doesn't do any good for anyone.

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 20, 2015, 04:40:41 PM

Quote from: Toga on August 20, 2015, 04:35:15 PM
Tommy Bell apparently considering leaving as well... He has been great this year, would be a bad loss :(

This is probably a bigger loss then Hendo right now. He is sitting probably top 3 in the B&F. Bell will be 25 next year though so he isn't all that young.

25 isn't exactly old either. Would be a good pickup for a lot of clubs if he wants out but it would hurt the Blues' engine room as he has been important in there this year.

Quote from: Toga on August 20, 2015, 05:13:25 PM
25 isn't exactly old either. Would be a good pickup for a lot of clubs if he wants out but it would hurt the Blues' engine room as he has been important in there this year.

It's not old when you are contending, but in a rebuild he is pretty much perfect trade bait. We are looking at competing in maybe 5 years time, so he will be pushing 30 and will be on the downward spiral of his career.

If we can get Aish in return that would be pretty huge for us. However for a team that lacks half forwards that is going to kill us. He has been the lone guy in the half forward line that has had an impact for the majority of the season. Out of necessity we haven't really played him through the midfield that much, the majority of his work has been as a high half forward and pushing back toward goal.

Speaking of half forwards. Could have had Kane Lambert.......

Quote from: Toga on August 20, 2015, 04:35:15 PM
Tommy Bell apparently considering leaving as well... He has been great this year, would be a bad loss :(

Bell would be an enormous loss, I believe he is the type we need to lead the next batch of blues we are bound to see over the next few years.

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 20, 2015, 05:22:45 PM
Speaking of half forwards. Could have had Kane Lambert.......

How many clubs passed him up? I heard of it the other day, was it 5? 6? More?

Quote from: fanTCfool on August 20, 2015, 06:18:54 PM
How many clubs passed him up? I heard of it the other day, was it 5? 6? More?

He was rookie listed but was also under our noses at the Northern Blues for a few years. He showed he had the talent to make it during that time. Marcon is the other but I haven't followed his VFL form this year

Cripps is something special, what a man.

Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2015, 06:46:40 PM
Cripps is something special, what a man.

Yeah......he's alright ;)

Post-Match Notes:
- Whiley showed some future today
- Kreuz is vital, especially when he hits the scoreboard
- Tutt starting to look like he belongs in Navy Blue
- Jaksch promising with his hands, not so much off the boot
- Jamison murdered Hogan
- Docherty still makes your heart skip a beat with his, often dubious, disposal
- Cripps, nothing new, gun.

I saw this when watching the highlights

(http://i.imgur.com/M12EBMx.jpg)

I'll post a few notes later

Do you think Henderson to Geelong for their first pick is to much?
And who could we get for him???

Quote from: Money Shot on August 24, 2015, 08:19:26 AM
Do you think Henderson to Geelong for their first pick is to much?
And who could we get for him???

I think a player you dropped from a bottom 4 side and kicked out of the club might struggle to get a first round pick IMO. Think sweeteners would need to be involved.

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 24, 2015, 01:01:18 AM
I saw this when watching the highlights

(http://i.imgur.com/M12EBMx.jpg)

I'll post a few notes later

I cry on the inside every time I see Eddie play for the crow

Quote from: Money Shot on August 24, 2015, 08:19:26 AM
Do you think Henderson to Geelong for their first pick is to much?
And who could we get for him???

You would think it would have to be at least a first round pick. Teams know what he is capable of when playing in defense and we will be demanding that in return for him. Considering the Cats gave pick 21 for Rhys Stanley who has shown a hell of a lot less in his career then Hendo. If that's the club we are dealing with we should get their first, wherever that falls.

Quote from: blue on August 24, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
I cry on the inside every time I see Eddie play for the crow

Same here. While his behavior off the field isn't exemplary at all times, he is a gun, loved by everyone and his leadership should not be underrated.

Now just a few thoughts from the game.

Kreuz was amazing, he was BOG by a country mile and the reason the game was over at half time basically. My heart skipped a beat when I saw him struggling to get off the ground in the last quarter thinking he had injured his foot again. As he was coming off he was reaching high so I figured it must be cramp and then they started rubbing down his hamstrings and doing some calf stretches.

Losing Murph was disappointing considering the extent of the injury. I guess the only positive with a shoulder is he will be able to do all the running. He was brilliant since the minute Mick was sacked. On and off the ground he has been really strong and hopefully he can be up and firing. I don't think it was a coincidence the Dees got back into the game when Murph was subbed off injured.

Jamo played his best game in a long time, he was all over Hogan. I missed last weeks flogging and from what I gather it was not his best performance all round. It was great to see him bounce back the way he did.

Boekhorst showed some flashes again. As the team improves I would expect to see him keep improving. He doesn't seem as quick as advertised but he did show some cleanness at times to go with some smart ball use and vision.

Buckley played a really good game as well, showed some hardness, dash and used the ball beautifully. One thing with Dylan is he will always show some aggression and try his ass off even if he is having a shocker. His ball use seemed to click against the Dees so his performance stood out.

Walker played his best game in a lonnnngggg time. I don't want to jinx him, but he actually looked the healthiest has been in over 12 months. He had some spring back and his kicking was spot on as well. Going into the game I thought he might be contemplating retirement at the end of the season. If we do lose 6 or so through trade, free agency and retirement I think he might stick around on a one year deal. It might not be the right decision but there is no harm in it. I don't think he holds much trade value and we will need some veteran leadership with Carrots retiring at the end of the season.

Tuohy, Bell and Curnow have all continued there relative good form. All three of these guys have probably had underrated seasons because of the position of the team but all 3 have busted their asses and played well for the majority of the last 12 weeks or so.

While Tutt's ball use wasn't great and I have been critical of him, I will give him some credit in what was a very good performance. While the kicks weren't always perfect, his vision was brilliant on a few occasions to open up the ground and spot players out of the corner of his eye breaking into space.

Everitt and Whiley were both solid, but they needed to expand their line of vision on a few occasions. There were a few instances where we had players wide open on their own and they either just flat out missed them or didn't execute properly. We got lucky on a couple of occasions like the Cripps soccer goal, but when you have a player wide open in a scoring position you need to hit them. Everitt has been pretty good all year and when the team is actually winning it's easy to get the blinkers on, but the composure needs to be there for the group to start improving. Whiley's is just a lack of experience and in the end he did find Walker on his own so it did work out.

Last one is Cripps. Kid is a beast on the inside, the one area of his game we need to keep seeing improvement is his kicking, especially forward of center to hit the scoreboard. He worked his way into dangerous positions multiple times and he probably should have had another goal before we butchered the kick to him. The initial kick should have gone to him and not Everitt, but once he can add the goal scoring to his game he may very well be unstoppable. The injuries to guys like Gibbs, Judd and Carrots  has helped his development as he could play in the middle for the majority of the season. He needs to play in the guts and if he can start resting up forward and snagging a couple we might have a top 10 player in the comp wearing Navy Blue.

Bolton confirmed as coach for 2016. :)

That's a good get. Now we just need to keep Barker as an assistant

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-25/he-gets-our-care-in-return-blues-to-look-after-barker

Quote'He gets our care in return': Blues to look after Barker

CARLTON has pledged to take care of unsuccessful coaching candidate John Barker after he "restored the club's competitive spirit" during his 12 games as interim coach.

CEO Steven Trigg said Barker had been hit hard when the news was delivered on Monday night that he had not won the full-time position, but he had returned to work on Tuesday upbeat.

The 40-year-old will coach the Blues' final two home-and-away games this season before discussions on his future under new coach Brendon Bolton, who won a tight race for the position.

Trigg said Barker hadn't put a foot wrong since taking over from Mick Malthouse in round nine and the club "couldn't be happier" with his performance.

"He was sat on his backside last night, clearly, and it's a very difficult thing for him," Trigg said.

"But as a mark of his character he bounced in this morning determined to finish off the season in a caretaker role.

"He has done a mighty job and football clubs need to care for people like that.

"[If he stays at Carlton] is a decision for after the season, but ... he gets our care in return."


Carlton president Mark LoGiudice expressed to Barker the club's "deepest gratitude for restoring competitive spirit in team", with the Blues notching three wins under his watch and putting up fewer uncompetitive losses.

Bolton, who was unveiled at Carlton headquarters on Tuesday, said he wanted Barker to coach out the season.

The new coach plans to use the rest of the season to hold discussions on the Carlton list and his future coaching team.

Carlton's assistants include director of development and coaching Robert Wiley, Dean Laidley, Matthew Capuano, Brad Green and Northern Blues coach Luke Webster.   

"Collectively I'll need to talk to the current coaches and listen to their thoughts," Bolton said. 

"We'll make some decisions as to how we move forward. [The next two weeks] gives you good time and space to think about those things.

"I respect what 'JB' (Barker) has been doing and I want him to continue that."

Bolton said he wanted the club's players to understand he arrives with a blank canvas and didn't take on the job with pre-conceived ideas about their abilities.

He wouldn't comment on Lachie Henderson, who has requested a trade, or Chris Yarran, who becomes a free agent at the end of next season and has been the subject of much trade speculation. 

Ruckman Matthew Kreuzer, meanwhile, is a wanted player at Carlton as he approaches the end of a contract that will see him become a restricted free agent.

"For Carlton supporters who are anxious, don't be anxious," Trigg said. 

"We've had good conversations with Matthew in the last 10 days before this bit of conjecture bubbled up.

"Matthew is as happy as a lark at Carlton and wants to stay. We want him to stay and get it fixed."

I would love for him to stay on as an assistant.

Now onto Bolton, I haven't seen the press conference but I heard it was a good one. I find the contract situation interesting in that are no fixed years and that Trigg employed it in Adelaide as well. It can be perceived as back up to prevent the club for paying out a 5th consecutive coach and the main thing I don't like about this kind of deal is that if we are going poorly outsiders and media can potentially create a circus for a story.

This brings me to my next point, we need to give Brendon Bolton time with no expectations. Next year is effectively year one of a rebuild. We just need to enjoy wins as we get them and enjoy watching the development and improvement in the group. They will likely lose more often then not and we will probably be on the end of a few smashings, but we need to let the guys implement their system over the next few years while bring in as much young talent as possible.

Teams like the Dogs, Port and Eagles have had some quick turnarounds. West Coast are showing that if the system is good you can plug in almost anyone and cover certain deficiencies. You need to keep adjusting, improving and innovating which it seems like a message he has come to the club with. I am not expecting the quick rebuild and it seems like the rest of the supporter group and board are also willing to be patient which is good. It's been a long time since everyone has been on the same page.

We just need to sit back and enjoy the little things like the type of year Cripps is having and not stress about the losses for the next couple of years. We will hopefully have a few more contenders for the rising star award in the next few seasons.

Find it interesting that Carlton went from the grumpiest coach ever to the happiest coach ever

Yeah we start again from here. Give Bolts time to develop this list, SOS to bring in some good young talent for Brendon to work with and I think we will be well on the way.  Please?????? make it so.

I just got thinking on the Hendo trade, I think it's quite possible we are the first team to receive a future first round pick. Carlton give Hendo and maybe a 4th for a 2nd this year and first next year. If the Cats aren't willing to part with pick 11 or 12 then they give us their 2nd round pick (probably be around 30 after all the FA bumps), next years first and maybe a salary dump if they need to  free up cap space. In return they get maybe 2 4th's or a 4th and a 3rd to go with Hendo.

It's a risky play on our end because if the recruiting strategy is successful for the Cats, the first rounder could be high teens next year. However if it backfires, we might make out with a better pick in return and can start staggering talent through multiple drafts.

Keen to find out, who is keen on Aish?
Who or what would you give in return if so?

If Bell wants to go to Queensland a straight swap would be the obvious answer, but I am not sure how keen the Lions would be on that. I think Aish fits the type of player we need. He will turn 20 later this year and before he was drafted his elite disposal was talked up. I think he had some absurdly good DE% in the SANFL/Under 18's as well which is something we really desperately need. I don't really want to lose Bell at all, but if his dad is sick that's understandable and the Lions get a very good player in return for an unproven kid that doesn't want to be there.

Me and my mate were talking about it today and we were wondering what everyone's thoughts on Armfield and White are. Think they are best 22 or just not up too it? Could they be trade bate at all?

I'll eat my hat if anyone wants Armfield haha

Quote from: elephants on August 29, 2015, 09:25:25 PM
I'll eat my hat if anyone wants Armfield haha

This

Both solid depth players and probably only get games if injury strikes in a finals side, nothing more really. Dennis is too old and White has the knee issue. Both never really performed better then they did in 2011-early 2012, like most of the guys on the list and went backwards under Mick. Still, at there best they were just role players. They both had reasonable form when Barker took over, but other then being list cloggers I can't see anything else. I think White stays around at least 1 more year just for key position depth, Dennis is probably unfortunately done, but being honest he probably hasn't performed any worse then Daisy and comes at a 10th of the price. Unfortunately one is out of contract (Dennis) and the other still has 3 years left.

Hate to bring this up but if Armfield is cut how bad does this look...

Judd + Armfield
For
Kennedy + Masten

Sorry :p

Dennis was a mature age pick at 46. You guys also wasted pick 20 in that deal on Tony Notte (who?). Thing is Judd also managed to win a bunch of B&F's, a Brownlow and was still arguably the best player in the comp in that 4 year period. Yeah it sucks we lost Kennedy, but Judd was still a god.

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 30, 2015, 04:27:33 PM
Dennis was a mature age pick at 46. You guys also wasted pick 20 in that deal on Tony Notte (who?). Thing is Judd also managed to win a bunch of B&F's, a Brownlow and was still arguably the best player in the comp in that 4 year period. Yeah it sucks we lost Kennedy, but Judd was still a god.

Judd performed god-like for Carlton, that is true..

... but ultimately he was recruited so that Carlton would have success. That didn't happen. Not saying that that was the trade's fault, it just didn't happen.

Part of that was taking a team that had finished last, last and 2nd last in the three seasons prior to him arriving at the club. If Carlton were going to win a premiership, it looked to be on the back of a Judd/Fev combo, we traded Fev 2 years into this and then in 2011 they were a kick out of a prelim (which a free should have been paid to Andrew Walker in the goal square since Glass was all over him).

We had significant injuries that decimated the list in 2012 which resulted in giving the board an excuse to sack Ratts. Pretty much we had a bunch of recruiting blunders from just before 2011 (Lucas over Talia, Grigg for Collins) through to our last offseason (Hi Liam Jones), a board that thought sacking Ratten for Malthouse would be a genius idea and we were constantly losing players that carried this team with no development underneath them for the last 3 seasons.

To say that Judd didn't have some form of success at the club is a pretty narrow viewed approach, we didn't achieve the ultimate goal, but then again, neither did 17 other teams each year. To go from where we were in 07, to where we were heading in 2011, it was huge and it was on the back of Chris Judd. Unfortunately at the end of 2012 we made a series of really f'ing stupid decisions (which I called then) that have backfired and lead to this situation.

So now that West Coast lost, do Hawthorn not play the Box Hill Hawks against us? West Coast are likely to beat the Saints, but if they somehow lose, the Hawks can finish 2nd.

Curnow Re-Signs for 2 Years
Love this man, glad to see he is staying loyal to the blues.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-08-31/curnow-inks-new-deal

Docherty underwent Hip Surgery today, which will obviously put an end to his great year.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-08-31/bioglan-injury-update-round-23

Quote from: Mat0369 on August 30, 2015, 04:55:43 PM
So now that West Coast lost, do Hawthorn not play the Box Hill Hawks against us? West Coast are likely to beat the Saints, but if they somehow lose, the Hawks can finish 2nd.

The way we are traveling the box hill reserves will beat us. Good to see curnow sign, one guy that gives 100% every week

Carrots retiring

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-01/blues-veteran-carrazzo-calls-it-quits

with Bell wanting to go to the Lions, this is who we'd like in return ;)
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/brisbane-lion-jack-redden-has-informed-club-of-intentions-to-seek-trade/story-e6frf3e3-1227508206611

Everitt has contract extended
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-09-02/everitts-contract-extended

Come into his own this year, here's hoping he can build on this form for next year, and this form can become a regularity.

As a Pies man, feel I need to congratulate Carlton on 4th spoon in 14 years. Good effort :)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-looks-set-to-farewell-matthew-kreuzer-as-it-searches-for-a-draft-bounty/story-fnp04d70-1227514452373

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 06, 2015, 10:14:04 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-looks-set-to-farewell-matthew-kreuzer-as-it-searches-for-a-draft-bounty/story-fnp04d70-1227514452373

Have not looked at the link yet. But please tell me it's not true

Quote from: blue on September 06, 2015, 07:46:13 PM

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 06, 2015, 10:14:04 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-looks-set-to-farewell-matthew-kreuzer-as-it-searches-for-a-draft-bounty/story-fnp04d70-1227514452373

Have not looked at the link yet. But please tell me it's not true

Don't know as won't open for me.

Basically Kreuz leaves and Carlton get first round compensation netting them picks 1 and 2 which are Weitering and Josh Schache. We were talking about it at the game yesterday with a couple of mates after the Brisbane result came in. Apparently there was a rumor he wasn't going to sign anyway. Also talk of Carlisle potentially coming to us in the pre-season draft for nada. We could make out extremely well in this off-season, even with the losses

Out

Hendo
Ellard
Carrots
Judd

Potential Outs

Spudnock
Kreuz
Wood
Menz
Yaz
Head
Bell
Dennis
White (retire?)
Walker (retire?)

Potential ins

Josh Schache
Jacob Weitering
Rice
Silvagni
Pick 10
Yaz pick
Aish
Josh Walker (potential trade)
Carlisle (PSD)

Would someone pay Kreuzer 500k+ for 4+ years though? He is a gun ruckman but I would be worried about the injury risk

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 06, 2015, 08:06:11 PM
Basically Kreuz leaves and Carlton get first round compensation netting them picks 1 and 2 which are Weitering and Josh Schache. We were talking about it at the game yesterday with a couple of mates after the Brisbane result came in. Apparently there was a rumor he wasn't going to sign anyway. Also talk of Carlisle potentially coming to us in the pre-season draft for nada. We could make out extremely well in this off-season, even with the losses

Out

Hendo
Ellard
Carrots
Judd

Potential Outs

Spudnock
Kreuz
Wood
Menz
Yaz
Head
Bell
Dennis
White (retire?)
Walker (retire?)

Potential ins

Josh Schache
Jacob Weitering
Rice
Silvagni
Pick 10
Yaz pick
Aish
Josh Walker (potential trade)
Carlisle (PSD)

Sounds like we need a ruckman...
Draft or Trade?

Only has to be more then 450k I think. Basically we are offering him about that for 4ish, I think the Dogs have got a similar offer out to him. If we don't get pick 2 as compo we should take the league to court because Kreuz would be the same age as Chip going into a similar deal. You can't pick and choose the compo as you go.

If we got pick 2 for kreuzer I would be happy with until i think of our ruck depts of cam wood and warnock.

Would surely need to chase a Zac Smith or Gorringe type if Kreuzer was to leave. And sounds like Warnock will be given the boot as well?

Yeah, one of the GC boys is my bet. Nicholls/Smith/Gorringe, maybe draft one as a project and grab an experienced depth guy or in a log jam for a spot like the Port Redden

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 06, 2015, 08:15:59 PM
Only has to be more then 450k I think. Basically we are offering him about that for 4ish, I think the Dogs have got a similar offer out to him. If we don't get pick 2 as compo we should take the league to court because Kreuz would be the same age as Chip going into a similar deal. You can't pick and choose the compo as you go.

Close to the same age maybe, but it's based on pay and contract length, if it's a 4 year at 450 that mightn't be enough for a first round pick?

I'd be stoked with those ins and one of the GC boys, would be a great start to a long rebuild!

Quote from: Ziplock on September 06, 2015, 10:08:08 PM
Close to the same age maybe, but it's based on pay and contract length, if it's a 4 year at 450 that mightn't be enough for a first round pick?

Reports are that Kreuzer's potential contract will be in the same region as Frawley, so given their ages the compensation would likely be the same.

Quote from: Vinny on September 06, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
I'd be stoked with those ins and one of the GC boys, would be a great start to a long rebuild!

Can't say I'm a huge fan of any of the GCS ruckman, do we have a chance to snag Leuy?

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

Schache is coming to Brissy  8)

are we a chance to land Treloar? he is/was a Carlton supporter as a kid

Quote from: Ziplock on September 06, 2015, 10:08:08 PM
Close to the same age maybe, but it's based on pay and contract length, if it's a 4 year at 450 that mightn't be enough for a first round pick?

Those were the parameters of the Frawley deal in length and terms of cash.

Quote from: Vinny on September 06, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
I'd be stoked with those ins and one of the GC boys, would be a great start to a long rebuild!

Agreed. We could build a core within one off-season

Quote from: fanTCfool on September 06, 2015, 11:28:00 PM
Can't say I'm a huge fan of any of the GCS ruckman, do we have a chance to snag Leuy?

Leuenberger is too old. He will want to go to a team with a chance at being relevant in the next couple of years. I really like Tom Nicholls, he may only ever turn out to be a fringe sort of guy but he should start peaking in the next couple of years and could be an ideal stop gap. Smith has also flashed that he has the ability but like Nicholls he has injury issues and can go missing. I didn't realise Smith will actually be 26 next year, but he also fits that stop gap route and is better then Wood/Warnock. Speaking of GC players, Harley would be awesome and a low risk option but no chance. 

Also side note, Carrots deserves his own thread for his retirement.

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on September 07, 2015, 11:17:38 PM
are we a chance to land Treloar? he is/was a Carlton supporter as a kid

I sure as hell hope so. He loved Juddy and the Navy Blue. If we did, we would have had to give up either picks 1 or 2 to probably make it happen.

Quote from: nrich102 on September 07, 2015, 10:46:53 PM
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

Schache is coming to Brissy  8)

Nah, pity you guys won a meaningless game against the Dogs.

We just need to convince Treloar to resist all other offers and go in the PSD

Carlton's season of change has continued with assistant coach Dean Laidley and fitness boss David Buttifant leaving the club.

Buttifant and Laidley joined the Blues with former senior coach Mick Malthouse in 2013. Both had worked alongside Malthouse in his earlier time at Collingwood.

It's understood the Blues will restructure their fitness department under new senior coach Brendon Bolton.

- The Age

I feel so bad saying this but I hope that Kreuzer leaves Carlton we get picks 1 and 2 get Weitering and Schade, pick up Carslile and then we will be set for a rebuild with
Cripps, Schade and Weitering leading the way!

Menzel, Henderson, Yarran and Bell leave for 4 top 20 draft picks and we will be heading in the right direction!

Quote from: don200652 on September 07, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
We just need to convince Treloar to resist all other offers and go in the PSD

yeah this for sure 8)

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on September 08, 2015, 01:11:47 PM

Quote from: don200652 on September 07, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
We just need to convince Treloar to resist all other offers and go in the PSD

yeah this for sure 8)

wait he isnt a free agent though
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-07/treloar-to-ask-for-trade

However if no deal can be arranged Treloar has the ability to nominate for the PSD and specify a salary of say $1m per year

Yeah, back to the good old days of put a bounty on your head that clubs can't afford to pay until you get to your team of choice.

Love Kruze and don't want him to leave, but pick 2 is hard to ignore, get treloar in the pds, trade every single player we acquired last year for Carlisle and a ruck man cos at this rate we will get cam woods to 300 games and that will be embarrassing

Quote from: blue on September 08, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
at this rate we will get cam woods to 300 games and that will be embarrassing

hahaha gold

Quote from: blue on September 08, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
Love Kruze and don't want him to leave, but pick 2 is hard to ignore, get treloar in the pds, trade every single player we acquired last year for Carlisle and a ruck man cos at this rate we will get cam woods to 300 games and that will be embarrassing

Does the Kruze Cup go with him as well?

Strong Rumour up here that Josh Green wants to join his old coach at Carlton. Heard anything down there boys.

If we had the choice of Treloar or Carlisle, who would people take?

Treloar easily. He is younger, will play for the jumper and no potential suspensions hanging over his head

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 08, 2015, 07:39:51 PM
Treloar easily. He is younger, will play for the jumper and no potential suspensions hanging over his head

I would take treloar also, but mainly because of the WADA stuff and the unknown outcome.

Heard Kreuzer failed a medical or something. Any truth to this or just a rumour?

Probably true. He was drafted with a hip issue and he needed surgery on that at some point. They said it would be when he was around 28 which isn't that far off now

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 09, 2015, 10:42:52 AM
Probably true. He was drafted with a hip issue and he needed surgery on that at some point. They said it would be when he was around 28 which isn't that far off now

This is why I don't want Richmond going after him. A failed medical stopped us getting Trengove and I sure as hell hope the same happens this time around.

Ivan's not gonna be around forever, but I don't want a guy with an injury history like Kreuzer's coming in to be his successor.

thats why i want to move him, injury prone, his stock is reasonable after a solid end to the year

defs treloar

So if Kreuzer does get flowered off because Carlton so badly want a compensation pick, does that means Carlton's ruck stocks are simply Warnock and Wood?

Quote from: Nige on September 11, 2015, 08:19:25 PM
So if Kreuzer does get flowered off because Carlton so badly want a compensation pick, does that means Carlton's ruck stocks are simply Warnock and Wood?

Warnock is gone. Wood isn't far behind him. I would say we get three new rucks.

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 11, 2015, 08:58:01 PM

Quote from: Nige on September 11, 2015, 08:19:25 PM
So if Kreuzer does get flowered off because Carlton so badly want a compensation pick, does that means Carlton's ruck stocks are simply Warnock and Wood?

Warnock is gone. Wood isn't far behind him. I would say we get three new rucks.

Get Cloke, ruck him.... ;)

No more crappy Collingwood spuds at Carlton

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 11, 2015, 08:58:01 PM

Quote from: Nige on September 11, 2015, 08:19:25 PM
So if Kreuzer does get flowered off because Carlton so badly want a compensation pick, does that means Carlton's ruck stocks are simply Warnock and Wood?

Warnock is gone. Wood isn't far behind him. I would say we get three new rucks.

Said it before but you guys will surely chase one of the GC guys looking at going home, maybe even one of the younger GWS boys that are down the pecking order.

Quote from: Toga on September 11, 2015, 09:15:41 PM
Said it before but you guys will surely chase one of the GC guys looking at going home, maybe even one of the younger GWS boys that are down the pecking order.

My thoughts as well. I would say two guys from other teams and maybe draft one ourselves as a project if there are any prospects available. Then worst case we run Rowe or Levi through the ruck

Currie from North? He seems like a decent option, sucks he's stuck behind Goldy.

how about sauce jacobs? oh wait we gave him away ffs >:(

Tough weekend of footy with Waite and Eddie burning it up

Quote from: blue on September 14, 2015, 04:38:41 PM
Tough weekend of footy with Waite and Eddie burning it up

Don't forgot JJK as well :-X

Quote from: Ricochet on September 14, 2015, 04:44:39 PM

Quote from: blue on September 14, 2015, 04:38:41 PM
Tough weekend of footy with Waite and Eddie burning it up

Don't forgot JJK as well :-X

The pain just gets worse

Quote from: blue on September 14, 2015, 04:38:41 PM
Tough weekend of footy with Waite and Eddie burning it up

They said on the weekend that Eddie, Jeffy and JJK are the only 3 players in the entire league to kick a goal in all 22 games  :D

Carlton just recruited a 208cm basketball player from America called Matt Korcheck could be a good project for the future!
Wood for now as he is an okay ruckmen ...
Pick number 2 come our way 8)

Allegedly, because it doesn't work for the AFL, we won't get Pick 2.
They reportedly will feel like clubs such as the Dees are severly disadvantaged
by us doing so, even though we deserve it based on the Frawley business last year.

But Frawley is a million times better than Krooz is though I reckon. You goes can have pick 2 if you don't pick Schache.

Quote from: fanTCfool on September 14, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Allegedly, because it doesn't work for the AFL, we won't get Pick 2.
They reportedly will feel like clubs such as the Dees are severly disadvantaged
by us doing so, even though we deserve it based on the Frawley business last year.

I doubt Kreuzer will get a deal as big as Frawley did last year

Injury history would play a massive part in negotiations

Quote from: nrich102 on September 14, 2015, 09:37:01 PM
But Frawley is a million times better than Krooz is though I reckon. You goes can have pick 2 if you don't pick Schache.

Not last Friday night :(

Quote from: fanTCfool on September 14, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Allegedly, because it doesn't work for the AFL, we won't get Pick 2.
They reportedly will feel like clubs such as the Dees are severly disadvantaged
by us doing so, even though we deserve it based on the Frawley business last year.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wuAzOfyHRsA/U_BBtHmIyvI/AAAAAAAAXb4/4j2ypWYBYYc/s1600/Flag%2Bon%2Bthe%2Bpost.jpg)

If Kreuzer and Leuenberger both left Carlton and Brisbane respectively, would the AFL be able to just give the Blues picks 1 and 3, and Lions picks 2 and 4 (assuming compensation should be start of first round picks)?

Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
If Kreuzer and Leuenberger both left Carlton and Brisbane respectively, would the AFL be able to just give the Blues picks 1 and 3, and Lions picks 2 and 4 (assuming compensation should be start of first round picks)?

Nah, it'd be the blues getting 1 and 2 and lions 3 and 4.

It's not a subjective matter, they have a formula based on like contract length, contract worth and age... if the players contract meets the criteria you'll get the picks, if not, that sucks.

ftr, I don't think the dees deserved pick 3 for frawley, however, I do think they should have gotten a priority pick, so in the end it evened out imo.

Quote from: Ziplock on September 15, 2015, 11:57:25 AM

Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
If Kreuzer and Leuenberger both left Carlton and Brisbane respectively, would the AFL be able to just give the Blues picks 1 and 3, and Lions picks 2 and 4 (assuming compensation should be start of first round picks)?

Nah, it'd be the blues getting 1 and 2 and lions 3 and 4.

It's not a subjective matter, they have a formula based on like contract length, contract worth and age... if the players contract meets the criteria you'll get the picks, if not, that sucks.

Yeah I know there's a formula, just wondering if the AFL can essentially do whatever the flower they want :P

Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 12:34:51 PM

Quote from: Ziplock on September 15, 2015, 11:57:25 AM

Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
If Kreuzer and Leuenberger both left Carlton and Brisbane respectively, would the AFL be able to just give the Blues picks 1 and 3, and Lions picks 2 and 4 (assuming compensation should be start of first round picks)?

Nah, it'd be the blues getting 1 and 2 and lions 3 and 4.

It's not a subjective matter, they have a formula based on like contract length, contract worth and age... if the players contract meets the criteria you'll get the picks, if not, that sucks.

Yeah I know there's a formula, just wondering if the AFL can essentially do whatever the flower they want :P

perhaps they can get Carlton for tanking.

droping Betts Waite and now probably kreuz.

Quote from: Ziplock on September 15, 2015, 11:57:25 AM

Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
If Kreuzer and Leuenberger both left Carlton and Brisbane respectively, would the AFL be able to just give the Blues picks 1 and 3, and Lions picks 2 and 4 (assuming compensation should be start of first round picks)?

Nah, it'd be the blues getting 1 and 2 and lions 3 and 4.

It's not a subjective matter, they have a formula based on like contract length, contract worth and age... if the players contract meets the criteria you'll get the picks, if not, that sucks.

They have a "formula". No one knows this formula so really they could do whatever they wanted. I think they could do something to make so the compensation picks fall the pick after or before the club the player goes to pick. I'd imagine both players would go to decent clubs who are up the top of the table. The AFL could do that if they wanted to I reckon.

Quote from: Holz on September 15, 2015, 01:10:25 PM

Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 12:34:51 PM

Quote from: Ziplock on September 15, 2015, 11:57:25 AM

Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
If Kreuzer and Leuenberger both left Carlton and Brisbane respectively, would the AFL be able to just give the Blues picks 1 and 3, and Lions picks 2 and 4 (assuming compensation should be start of first round picks)?

Nah, it'd be the blues getting 1 and 2 and lions 3 and 4.

It's not a subjective matter, they have a formula based on like contract length, contract worth and age... if the players contract meets the criteria you'll get the picks, if not, that sucks.

Yeah I know there's a formula, just wondering if the AFL can essentially do whatever the flower they want :P

perhaps they can get Carlton for tanking.

droping Betts Waite and now probably kreuz.

Betts was on the verge of being dropped at Carlton in his last season here, completely different player at the Crows

Waite always undisciplined, just a matter of time before that and injuries have him playing 7 games a year again

Dumb comment Holz unless you're taking the piss, which you suck at.

lol aggressive

Now the question is who will we take Schade or Weitering?
Assuming Kreuzer signs on which is looking more and more likely!
I think we will choose Schade personally as we need a key forward more than a defender In my opinion!

Rowe, Jamo and hopefully Carslile down back
Casboult, Scahde and Everett up forward

That doesn't look to bad really!

Aish + Pick #2 for Carlisle  ::)

B&F is on tonight. They are putting some vids up on the website. There is one with the three retirees. It's funny because Ellard actually says he feels embarrassed to be on the stage with Juddy and Carrots. Juddy's comment on the water cooler talk is pretty funny as well. The guy interviewing them is painful though.

Cripps won  :o

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-09-17/cripps-wins-john-nicholls-medal


(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Carlton/Images/620_1st2nd3rdArticle_620X370.jpg)

QuoteYoung gun Patrick Cripps has capped a breakout season by winning Carlton’s best and fairest - the John Nicholls Medal.

Cripps finished this evening’s count at Crown Palladium on 68 votes, narrowly ahead of captain Marc Murphy (67 votes) and defender Zach Tuohy (64 votes).

The award comes on the back of Cripps finishing runner-up in the NAB AFL Rising Star last week.

Since being recruited to Carlton with a first round selection in the 2013 National Draft, Cripps has played a total of 23 AFL games.

In just his second season of AFL football the 20-year-old has been a standout in the Blues midfield averaging 23.6 disposals and 6.65 clearances. He finished the home and away season ranked 8th overall in the league for contested possessions with an average of 13.7 per game.

Carlton’s Head of Football Andrew McKay says Cripps has been a shining light for the team this season.

“The season Patrick has had is testament to his relentless hard work and determination to improve, so full credit to him for winning the John Nicholls Medal in just his second year at the club,” McKay said.

“It’s well documented that in the off season he went away and hired his own running coach and returned at the end of pre-season fitter, stronger and with the kind of attitude that we just knew he would be in for a big year.

“The way Patrick has gone about it, and the leadership he has shown along the way, makes him a real role model to the other young players in our team.

“We know he has a big future and we look forward to him wearing the navy blue jumper for a long time to come.”

Cripps also took out the Hyundai MVP Award as voted by the fans, and the Inner Blue Ruthless Award for demonstrating a selfless commitment and having a significant influence on the outcome of games.

Cripps' Stats

DOB: 18 March 1995
AFL Games: 23
Goals: 6
Debut: Round 4, 2014 v Melbourne
Recruited: First round selection (No. 13 overall) 2013 National Draft
Guernsey No. 9
Carlton Player No. 1151

Career Highlights

2015 John Nicholls Medal
2015 Rising Star Runner Up
2015 Chris Judd Academy Award

2015 John Nicholls Medal Top 10:

1 Patrick Cripps 68 votes
2 Marc Murphy 67 votes
3 Zach Tuohy 64 votes
=4 Tom Bell 57 votes
=4 Ed Curnow 57 votes
6 Sam Docherty 48 votes
7 Kade Simpson 45 votes
8 Andrejs Everitt 37 votes
9 Simon White 35 votes
10 Andrew Carrazzo 23 votes

Other award winners on the night include:

Best First Year Player â€" Blaine Boekhorst

Best Clubman â€" Simon White
· The Best Clubman award recognises the significant contribution a player has made to the Carlton Football Club, particularly with his role in the playing group.


Carltonians High Achievement Award â€" Tom Bell
· The High Achievement Award is presented in recognition of an outstanding season.


Blues Coterie Most Improved â€" Tom Bell

Inner Blue Ruthless Award â€" Patrick Cripps
· The Ruthless Award is presented to a player who displays selfless commitment and has a significant influence on the outcome of games.


Spirit of Carlton Award â€" Ed Curnow
· Presented to the player who encompasses the spirit of the Carlton Football Club on and off the field.


Women of Carlton Player Ambassador Award â€" Kade Simpson
· The Player Ambassador Award recognises a player who contributes in a significant way to the wider community.


Hyundai MVP Award (voted by the fans) â€" Patrick Cripps

Congrats to Cripps on winning the award.

In what has been a crap year the other boys that finished in the top 10 also deserve some kudos as well. Murph was excellent and tried to lead by example all season. Tuohy was awesome when Barker took over. He looked like the player that burst onto the scene in early 2012 and was able to bounce back big after a couple of down years. Bell was awesome and we started to see what he can do at AFL level more consistently. Curnow has been severely underrated, he was pretty good all season. Docherty showed a bit of improvement and hopefully he can continue the upward trend. Simmo was his consistent self, always gives 100%, puts his body on the line and is a brilliant leader.  Everitt showed a bit in the forward line and as a 3rd tall should hopefully stay consistent. White showed a bit in a few different roles before getting injured. Carrots struggled a bit with injury again this year but was his usual self when he was fit.

superstar

Congrats to him, great effort to do it in his first second year. Wonder how many more he'll win before he's done playing.

Quote from: Grazz on September 17, 2015, 11:21:33 PM
Congrats to him, great effort to do it in his first second year. Wonder how many more he'll win before he's done playing.

Fixed that for you.


If we can get a few more pieces in this draft I like the direction we will be heading under Bolton. Cripps is turning into an absolute beast.

Cheers mate.  :-[

Says a lot about how terrible the blues were this season, when the guy who wins their B&F can't even win the rising star (despite eligible)

I'd take Docherty over him tho tbh :P

Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2015, 12:47:19 AM
Says a lot about how terrible the blues were this season, when the guy who wins their B&F can't even win the rising star (despite eligible)

I'd take Docherty over him tho tbh :P

Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
superstar

Quote from: Jayman on September 18, 2015, 12:55:00 AM

Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
superstar

Carlton have delisted Cameron Giles, Matthew Watson, Blaine Johnson and Fraser Russell.

Giles I think might get rookie listed. It makes no sense delisting him, he has been injured basically his entire time at the club and I think it was a navicular which has been giving him issues. Especially when you consider some of the other super spuds on our list. I reckon Head might be a chance of getting rookie listed as well as a depth option.

Did we even give Cam Giles a chance? Sheesh.

I think he got half a season in the VFL before navicular injuries have taken over. Those injuries can be career ending and take a while to recover from. This is what makes me think we rookie list him, we can let him recover and try and gain some form in the VFL without him taking up a senior spot. The other only other reason to delist him is that his foot is completely screwed and he won't play at a meaningful level again.

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 18, 2015, 08:43:43 PM
I think he got half a season in the VFL before navicular injuries have taken over. Those injuries can be career ending and take a while to recover from. This is what makes me think we rookie list him, we can let him recover and try and gain some form in the VFL without him taking up a senior spot. The other only other reason to delist him is that his foot is completely screwed and he won't play at a meaningful level again.

Here's hoping your first call is correct!

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This is just sad. I still believe had we kept Eddie we still would have had Yaz, Robbo and Jeffy at the club.

Looking for some articles on Yaz requesting a trade I found this

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-17/afl-player-chris-yarran-father-alleged-bashed-baby-murder-hammer/6703386

Holy crap, I knew his dad had been in jail because it was in an article when he was first drafted, but this is crazy. I know he had been dealing with personal issues all year, but when you combine something of that magnitude with losing your three closest mates at the club I can see why he wants to go. I reckon a couple of other teams like the Crows and the WA clubs might be pushing for him. 

Another random note

http://northernbluesfc.com.au/news/855-nbfc-news-graham-laurie-hill.html

How is this even possible?

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 19, 2015, 11:54:29 PM
Looking for some articles on Yaz requesting a trade I found this

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-17/afl-player-chris-yarran-father-alleged-bashed-baby-murder-hammer/6703386

Holy crap, I knew his dad had been in jail because it was in an article when he was first drafted, but this is crazy. I know he had been dealing with personal issues all year, but when you combine something of that magnitude with losing your three closest mates at the club I can see why he wants to go. I reckon a couple of other teams like the Crows and the WA clubs might be pushing for him.

Don't think he'll come back to WA. Fairly certain he tries to not come back to Perth that often due to family issues

Quote from: Mat0369 on September 20, 2015, 12:01:08 AM
Another random note

http://northernbluesfc.com.au/news/855-nbfc-news-graham-laurie-hill.html

How is this even possible?

w0w this is terrible as far as the rest of the group in the seconds :o

Ah, remember reading about that the other day.
Would rather think of the positive, he (Graham) is a gun!
Gotta keep him at the Blues for life.

Can we please just draft someone, anyone who can play 10 + games in there first year and show something

Good to see Kreuz re-sign for 2 more this evening.

Quote from: fanTCfool on September 25, 2015, 07:50:38 PM
Good to see Kreuz re-sign for 2 more this evening.

yep agreed, this is the second best scenario for us, if we could have gained pick 2 for him leaving that would have been the only better option in my opinion

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on September 27, 2015, 02:11:33 PM

Quote from: fanTCfool on September 25, 2015, 07:50:38 PM
Good to see Kreuz re-sign for 2 more this evening.

yep agreed, this is the second best scenario for us, if we could have gained pick 2 for him leaving that would have been the only better option in my opinion

I'd take both  8)

Carlton to announce soon Neil Craig as coaching director, with Tim Clarke (Tigers), Shane Watson (North), Dale Amos (Cats) to join as assistants

Barker staying on as assistant is awesome news.

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2015, 06:29:27 PM
Carlton to announce soon Neil Craig as coaching director, with Tim Clarke (Tigers), Shane Watson (North), Dale Amos (Cats) to join as assistants

Hang on, Watto is only an assistant?

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Barker better at 3

Quote from: Vinny on September 15, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
Dumb comment Holz unless you're taking the piss, which you suck at.

not sure i make dumb comments. It was a joke with an element of truth.

Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2015, 05:12:36 PM

Quote from: Vinny on September 15, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
Dumb comment Holz unless you're taking the piss, which you suck at.

not sure i make dumb comments. It was a joke with an element of truth.

Same goes for what I said. :P

Quote from: Vinny on October 05, 2015, 06:12:18 PM

Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2015, 05:12:36 PM

Quote from: Vinny on September 15, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
Dumb comment Holz unless you're taking the piss, which you suck at.

not sure i make dumb comments. It was a joke with an element of truth.

Same goes for what I said. :P

Thanks for Waite by the way, was really good in the finals. He is a finals player, i guess its good he isnt at carlton then ;)

Summary of some dude's summary of Andrew McKay on trade radio;

Most quotes, McKay said more water under the bridge about 50 times. :P

Carlisle; a little cagey about Carlisle, entertaining the idea, would like him.

Yarran; happy to trade for the round pick right pick, contracted and 100% fixed on only trading for first rounder. We have cards up our sleeves with contract, deal has to favour us, make no mistakes. No deal if not a first rounder.

Aish; not ruling him out.

Menzel; contracted and not going anywhere.

Tomlinson' hasn't been pursued, good player, would like him.

Henderson; confident about first rounder, in discussions. Geelong haven't indicated that a first round pick won't be there for Hendo.

Sumner; had a chat last week, could be interested, more water under the bridge.

Plowman; good player, love to have him, that water is flowing still and the tip of the iceberg gets a run.

JWalker; possibility, no real discussions.

Armfield; numbers game, list spots right, would like to keep, no guarantees, hopeful we will keep him.

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Also apparently meant with Carlilse in the last 24 hours, he wants a 5 year deal but Blues concerned with longer deals. They want him but length is a sticking point, not dollars. His club of choice expected to get out in the next 48 hours.

I would rather develop youth than pursue Carlisle, and don't see a real need for Walker either.

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 06, 2015, 08:03:10 PM
I would rather develop youth than pursue Carlisle, and don't see a real need for Walker either.

They're not exactly old?

On talent Carlisle is a good move, I don't like his attitude but he has a very good player.

Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2015, 08:10:30 PM

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 06, 2015, 08:03:10 PM
I would rather develop youth than pursue Carlisle, and don't see a real need for Walker either.

They're not exactly old?

unless you are tanking there is no reason why you wouldn't want Carlisle and Walker as youth with experience. Both players would be best 22 and improve the squad and will be around for years.

I would love Carslile at half back and Walker as our second forward behind Casboult. add Weightering at full back and we have a solid line up in the talls ...

           Weightering
             Carslile
              Gibbs
              Walker
             Casboult
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

That looks good to me ...

Carlisle and Walker, yes they are young, but the obviously won't be anything truly fantastic.
At least with someone unknown could become a genuinely decent player.
It is merely my thoughts, but I feel like Walker and Carlisle would be recycled duds.

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 07, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
Carlisle and Walker, yes they are young, but the obviously won't be anything truly fantastic.
At least with someone unknown could become a genuinely decent player.
It is merely my thoughts, but I feel like Walker and Carlisle would be recycled duds.

I disagree I think Carslile has potential to be an All Australian CHB
And Walker will be a solid forward (not amazing but solid)

Carlisle is good, Walker sucks. We have enough crappy tall forwards (Liam Jones)

Very disappointed to hear Tom Bell has requested a trade

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 09, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
Very disappointed to hear Tom Bell has requested a trade

Yeah and we probably will come out behind in the trade as well ... We will probably get pick 21 for him which I think is a bit less than what his worth. Unless we can some how get Aish in a deal for him.

Quote from: Money Shot on October 09, 2015, 10:56:31 PM

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 09, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
Very disappointed to hear Tom Bell has requested a trade

Yeah and we probably will come out behind in the trade as well ... We will probably get pick 21 for him which I think is a bit less than what his worth. Unless we can some how get Aish in a deal for him.

Similar age to Greenwood last year and also similar in that he's coming off a breakout year. Greenwood got pick 25.

21 isn't unders for Bell

Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2015, 11:16:41 PM

Quote from: Money Shot on October 09, 2015, 10:56:31 PM

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 09, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
Very disappointed to hear Tom Bell has requested a trade

Yeah and we probably will come out behind in the trade as well ... We will probably get pick 21 for him which I think is a bit less than what his worth. Unless we can some how get Aish in a deal for him.

Similar age to Greenwood last year and also similar in that he's coming off a breakout year. Greenwood got pick 25.

21 isn't unders for Bell

That is true! He was probably in our top 5 players this year though and is only going to get better!

Quote from: Money Shot on October 10, 2015, 01:30:23 AM

Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2015, 11:16:41 PM

Quote from: Money Shot on October 09, 2015, 10:56:31 PM

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 09, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
Very disappointed to hear Tom Bell has requested a trade

Yeah and we probably will come out behind in the trade as well ... We will probably get pick 21 for him which I think is a bit less than what his worth. Unless we can some how get Aish in a deal for him.

Similar age to Greenwood last year and also similar in that he's coming off a breakout year. Greenwood got pick 25.

21 isn't unders for Bell

That is true! He was probably in our top 5 players this year though and is only going to get better!

Well Greenwood was in the top 2 for North :P he got runner up in their BnF

Is the Bell request official yet? There has been nothing on the AFL, Herald Sun or Carlton websites yet. Ideally I am still hopeful that he stays but if he goes it's fair enough considering his dad is sick.


It also turns out that Laurie Kerr's daughter was murdered by her son. That's a pretty messed up situation

Apparently Treloar grew up barracking for Blues, and we are offering more than Pies.
Would love to see him running around in the Navy Blue next year.

Juddy and The Rock were his heroes growing up. Both he and Shiel were mad Blues supporters growing up

Herald Sun posted some excerpts from Juddy's book on the Ben Cousins situation. Reason I post it in here is because of this quote

QuoteThe invaluable impact on me of Cousins the leader did not really hit home until much later in my career, at Carlton. I’d reached an age when I found myself analysing what sort of player and person I was, and retracing the steps that had made me who I am.

It was apparent to me that the core of the Blues’ list had not had a leader on whom to model themselves.

It increased my admiration for guys like Andy Carrazzo and Kade Simpson, who had emerged from those years as good footballers, but, more importantly, driven footballers, without anyone whose behaviours they could emulate. They are self-made AFL footballers. It made their achievements more impressive in my mind.

This is the article

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-judd-book-extract-how-i-coped-with-ben-cousins/story-fnp04d70-1227564473545?sv=1f731bb037b9835d2809f6fc380ba9f4

In a way I am also happy Carlisle nominated the Saints. The way he went about his on field stuff including not giving an effort and stating 'this team is flowered' and telling opponents he was counting down the days before he left at the end of the season, it is a horrible attitude. It''s almost like he is just looking for a pay day and considering we are trying to rebuild he isn't the type of player we need. Yeah he has talent, but there is no certainty he lives up to it with his attitude.

Thoughts on Kerridge?
I think he would be a great pick up, a Mid that can hit the scoreboard, exciting.

Play him against North Melbourne, you'll win every time! :P

Yeah I rate Kerridge highly. Think this would be a good deal for the Blues if the Crows take their third rounder!

Could we play him as our third tall or is he more of a midfielder?
(Don't know much about him)

Quote from: Money Shot on October 13, 2015, 11:18:05 PM
Could we play him as our third tall or is he more of a midfielder?
(Don't know much about him)

More of a midfielder who rotates off the HFF. Best comparison from Carlton is probably Bell. Can hit the scoreboard (Just ask Norf), good overhead mark, can run all day.

Overall a solid player, will likely only take your 3rd to pick him up or potentially Kerridge + 32 for 20.

Suppose we are cheering for the Cats to flop next year.
I think both clubs would be happy with this, Geelong have rebuilt in a day and we have a Pick at least below #14 to lock in next year.

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 15, 2015, 12:30:37 AM
Suppose we are cheering for the Cats to flop next year.
I think both clubs would be happy with this, Geelong have rebuilt in a day and we have a Pick at least below #14 to lock in next year.

and the value we got for Fev stays alive ;D

so guys which player would u prefer we draft with the first pick, Weitering or Schache?

Biased because we want Schache so Weitering obviously.

Quote from: Ringo on October 17, 2015, 11:38:04 AM
Biased because we want Schache so Weitering obviously.

i seen a few highlights packages on both, cant really lose imo, Schache is a big boy :o

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-17/trade-winds-another-treloar-twist-as-pies-close-in-on-trio

Giant Jed Lamb is still expected to land at Carlton, possibly in a package deal with ruckman Andrew Phillips, midfielder Liam Sumner and defender Lachie Plowman.

Former Giant and now Blues list manager Stephen Silvagni is having a ball picking the eyes out of a list he helped to create.

I hope we get Phillips, I rate him
Got to be better for us than Cam Wood.

If we do get all of the players we are expected to (Kerridge, Tomilson, Lamb, Phillips, Sumner and Plowman) do you think any of them would be best 22 considering they are all fringe players at other clubs ...

Tomlinson, Lamb, Sumner, Plowman and Kerridge all have a shot. Philips would be some insurance for Kreuz. Assuming we get all these guys I would expect our 22 to look similar to this


Tuohy, Jamo, Plowman
Buckley, Rowe, Docherty
Simmo, Graham, Gibbs
Walker, Tomlinson, Menzel
Everitt, Levi, Daisy ((http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png))
Kreuz, Cripps, Murph
Boekhorst, Curnow, Simon White, (insert one of 10 guys here)

We would have Jaksch, Holman, Whiley, Tutt, Sheehan, Byrne, Walsh, Clem, Dennis, our draft picks, Lamb, Sumner and Kerridge all fighting for spots.

Tomlinson would slot straight in at either end and can spell in the ruck. He has played down back and up forward at GWS and was suited to playing that hit up forward/2nd ruck role.

Plowman fights with Weitering and Jaksch/Tomlinson for a spot depending where we play either guy. Guys like White and Walker I don't see as every week players, especially with where we are at as a club. The way I see it a lot of those GWS boys will get games, but they will fight for spots and have to earn them. They do well on the track and through the preseason and they earn a spot in the starting 22. I wish we could F Daisy off right now because he has been borderline drop worthy but due to Mick and his contract he was getting a game every week. Unfortunately with his contract the way it is we wouldn't get a can of coke for him.

I like most of the moves as it gives us some high upside guys at a discount price. I don't expect them to all pan out and I don't expect them to all make an impact right away. Considering how much talent we lack in that age bracket it is the right step towards rebuilding the list.

You have Cripps in there twice mate.

Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 02:36:38 PM
You have Cripps in there twice mate.

He's that good we play him in two positions at once  :P

No curnow!?

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2015, 02:54:47 PM

Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 02:36:38 PM
You have Cripps in there twice mate.

He's that good we play him in two positions at once  :P

Haha fair enough but why only two positions.  :P

Quote from: Money Shot on October 18, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
No curnow!?

If you notice I now have Graham twice  :P

I deleted Curnow's name instead of Graham on the bench

Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 03:10:21 PM
Haha fair enough but why only two positions.  :P

Good point, we need 8 of him

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2015, 03:14:02 PM

Quote from: Money Shot on October 18, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
No curnow!?

If you notice I now have Graham twice  :P

I deleted Curnow's name instead of Graham on the bench

Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 03:10:21 PM
Haha fair enough but why only two positions.  :P

Good point, we need 8 of him

I actually did notice but felt better leave it alone  haha.  ;)
Looks ok on paper, obviously it's going to take games under the belt for improvement but with those looking to push into the team depth is hopefully better. I reckon Kerridge could push his way in there early, a few will be surprised with him the kid can play, i'd like to see him let off the chain away from the tagging role.

The way I see it, new coach, clean slate and everyone has to earn their stripes. It shouldn't matter how much money you're on, if you don't play up to the standard that is expected of you have fun in the reserves. I expect all these guys to be able to come into the side at one point or another.

A few of them will be long term investments and will have an opportunity to learn off a few guys like Walker and White that have come from completely different pedigrees. We will also have the inevitable injuries and they will create opportunities for guys to step into roles and make them their own. As long as Bolton rewards guys for strong reserves form and keeps a hard line stance on what is expected of these boys we will head in the right direction.

The thing I like about brining all these guys in even if they aren't in our best 22 it gives us some much needed depth!

Also do you guys really rate Rowe? I just feel it would be more beneficial to the club to drop him and gives guys like Jaksch, Weitering and Plowman a go ...

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2015, 03:54:57 PM
The way I see it, new coach, clean slate and everyone has to earn their stripes. It shouldn't matter how much money you're on, if you don't play up to the standard that is expected of you have fun in the reserves. I expect all these guys to be able to come into the side at one point or another.

A few of them will be long term investments and will have an opportunity to learn off a few guys like Walker and White that have come from completely different pedigrees. We will also have the inevitable injuries and they will create opportunities for guys to step into roles and make them their own. As long as Bolton rewards guys for strong reserves form and keeps a hard line stance on what is expected of these boys we will head in the right direction.

Bolton's the key to turning it all around, and I think with his background he'll do well there. No nonsense earn it or lose it.
I would of been happy to see him at the Crows with his pedigree, time will tell but I reckon he'll go ok, the smiling assassin.

Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 04:05:53 PM

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2015, 03:54:57 PM
The way I see it, new coach, clean slate and everyone has to earn their stripes. It shouldn't matter how much money you're on, if you don't play up to the standard that is expected of you have fun in the reserves. I expect all these guys to be able to come into the side at one point or another.

A few of them will be long term investments and will have an opportunity to learn off a few guys like Walker and White that have come from completely different pedigrees. We will also have the inevitable injuries and they will create opportunities for guys to step into roles and make them their own. As long as Bolton rewards guys for strong reserves form and keeps a hard line stance on what is expected of these boys we will head in the right direction.

Bolton's the key to turning it all around, and I think with his background he'll do well there. No nonsense earn it or lose it.
I would of been happy to see him at the Crows with his pedigree, time will tell but I reckon he'll go ok, the smiling assassin.

Yeah I agree completely. Bolton has the ability to turn us into a good side in the up coming years and I believe that he won't just play players due to how much they earn and instead give players a go due to how hard they work and their performance!

Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 04:05:53 PM
Bolton's the key to turning it all around, and I think with his background he'll do well there. No nonsense earn it or lose it.
I would of been happy to see him at the Crows with his pedigree, time will tell but I reckon he'll go ok, the smiling assassin.

I really like Bolton, he has done the hard stuff to get to where he is and when Clarko was sick they turned to him to take the reigns which shows how much they rate him internally. The Hawks have produced Simmo and Beveridge the last couple of years and they have been very successful coaches thus far.

There isn't a lot of pressure on Bolton at the moment either, the club and supporters are realistic, we know we won't be competing for a while and as long as we start to see some improvement in the group we will be happy. I think keeping Barker was huge. What he was able to do with the group in the 2nd half of the season was excellent.

Quote from: Money Shot on October 18, 2015, 04:03:53 PM
Also do you guys really rate Rowe? I just feel it would be more beneficial to the club to drop him and gives guys like Jaksch, Weitering and Plowman a go ...

I trust Rowe more then Jamo right now. He will get monstered by guys like Tomahawk but he has more versatility and his body is holding up a hell of a lot better.

I think Weitering should get games straight away as him and Cripps are our future play them as much as we can!

I don't think Simon White is going to be very relevant next year to be honest ... Isn't getting any younger and think it would be more beneficial to get games into the youger guys!

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2015, 04:13:11 PM

Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 04:05:53 PM
Bolton's the key to turning it all around, and I think with his background he'll do well there. No nonsense earn it or lose it.
I would of been happy to see him at the Crows with his pedigree, time will tell but I reckon he'll go ok, the smiling assassin.

I really like Bolton, he has done the hard stuff to get to where he is and when Clarko was sick they turned to him to take the reigns which shows how much they rate him internally. The Hawks have produced Simmo and Beveridge the last couple of years and they have been very successful coaches thus far.

There isn't a lot of pressure on Bolton at the moment either, the club and supporters are realistic, we know we won't be competing for a while and as long as we start to see some improvement in the group we will be happy. I think keeping Barker was huge. What he was able to do with the group in the 2nd half of the season was excellent.

Spot on the Hawthorn system with the right people has produced some quality coaches and I see Bolton being no different.
Like you said he has no pressure, owes no player nothing it's a clean start he'll insist they earn his respect and their spot.
Just need to give it time, it's going to take a few drafts to build something that can get it done. Barker showed it's not as bad as what many were thinking it was. Malthouse, the gameplan were the biggest issue, you'll never convince me they were playing for him that was showen in the first couple of games after his sacking.

Docherty, Jamo, Rowe
Tuohy, Weitering, Simpson
Buckley, Gibbs, Graham
Walker, Tomilson, Thomas
Everett, Casboult, Menzel
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

Curnow, Boekhurst, Kerridge, (Lamb at this stage)

Lamb, Sumner, Plowman, Phillips and Jaksch will all be pushing for sports.

Defence: Jamo and Rowe will be good experienced players to help Weitering over his first few seasons until he can become our number 1 defender. Simpson playing off half back and rotating through the mids will be a good leader down there as well. Tuohy and Docherty to just keep on doing what they were doing last season and we should have a solid backline.

Mids: Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs are all A grade players when they are up and about and will be a good trio. Graham has done enough from last season to become a regular in our 22 and Buckley will get more rotations through the midfield this season as he improves. Curnow will be a big part as our midfield as well.

Rucks: Kreuzer is one of the best when he is out and about and now we finally should have some decent support with Phillips who is okay and will be better than Wood/Warnock!

Forwards: Casboult (if he is still here which I really hope he is) should be good for us this year as he won't have all the spot light on him with Tomilson coming in as our second forward and support in the ruck. Everett is a better forward than defender in my eyes and should be a good 3rd tall for us. Menzel will be a good small forward for us and our future and hopefully he signs on next season. Thomas in my eyes has to play well next season or he is gone ... Hasn't proven him self at all and Walker will be a good leader on the ground as well.

Boekhurst showed signs last year and hope he plays most games this season. Kerridge is a mid that can kick goals and we need goals so he should be in our 22.

Lamb/Sumner/Phillips/Plowman/Jaksch will all rotate through the team when injuries occur.

If Yarran and Bell stay they Alot straight in and probably take the GWS boys sports along with Kerridge.

Think that Armfield should be delisted as we know longer will need him and Jones, Tutt, Whiley, White, Dick, Warnock and Wood shouldn't play much next year as I don't rate them at all tbh.

Quote from: Money Shot on October 18, 2015, 04:27:12 PM
I think Weitering should get games straight away as him and Cripps are our future play them as much as we can!

this, has to slot straight in

seems reasonable i guess
http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/10/19/tom-bell-joins-brisbane-as-blues-move-up-the-draft-order/

Do you guys think pick 19 for Yarran is fair?

I would rather next years first and I think that's what SOS will be asking for. It's automatically better then pick 19, even if you win the grand final

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 20, 2015, 08:33:49 PM
I would rather next years first and I think that's what SOS will be asking for. It's automatically better then pick 19, even if you win the grand final

This. I think that Yarran is worth around the 15 mark and don't think we should go for anything less ... we might as well keep him! He is in our best 22 and with a new coach and staff could blossom.

I posted this in the other thread

QuoteSome rival clubs had suspected Hawthorn could make a last-minute play for Yarran with the pick No.15 it acquired from North Melbourne in the Jed Anderson trade, but it's understood Yarran won't be open to a late approach from another club.

So basically the Hawks could offer a better pick resulting in us asking for pick 12 in return and not budging since Carlisle just became a Saint

Would Rowe be any good up forward for us? I remember he played up there earlier at Carlton... Means we could get games into Plowman and Weitering with Jamo back there as a leader and help Casboult up forward with another big body!

Just a thought.

yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/blues-send-menzel-to-crows

CARLTON youngster Troy Menzel has been traded to Adelaide for Sam Kerridge, in a deal that has paved the way for the Blues to pick up four Giants youngsters.

Menzel, the No.11 pick in the 2012 NAB AFL Draft, joined Adelaide in exchange for Kerridge and pick No.28 at lunchtime on Wednesday.

In a separate deal, the Blues then on-traded pick No.28 together with No.77, 95 and Geelong's 2016 first-round pick (acquired in the Lachie Henderson trade) to Greater Western Sydney for Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips and Liam Sumner and pick No.8.

Really liked Menzel, however this is going to be good for our club right now

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 02:49:37 PM
Really liked Menzel, however this is going to be good for our club right now

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

I reckon pick 19 is about right but if we some how get 12 of yous for him I would be over the moon with this trade period.

With pick 8 I really hope we pick up Weideman I rate him highly and think he should still be there!

Quote from: Money Shot on October 21, 2015, 03:53:51 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

I reckon pick 19 is about right but if we some how get 12 of yous for him I would be over the moon with this trade period.

You have been warned, my friend.

Quote from: elephants on October 21, 2015, 04:06:55 PM

Quote from: Money Shot on October 21, 2015, 03:53:51 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

I reckon pick 19 is about right but if we some how get 12 of yous for him I would be over the moon with this trade period.

You have been warned, my friend.

Sorry I will try and watch my language for yous :P

Out: Menzel, N77, N95, Cats 2016 First Rounder
In: N8, Kerridge, Plowman, Lamb, Phillips, Sumner.

Pretty sweet deal I reckon.

EDIT: Cheers Ringo, fixed ahah.

Quote from: Vinny on October 21, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
In: Menzel, N77, N95, Cats 2016 First Rounder
Out: N8, Kerridge, Plowman, Lamb, Phillips, Sumner.

Pretty sweet deal I reckon.

Are you drunk already Vinny Think you got your ins and outs mixed up.  ;D ;D

The Menzel trade in isolation looks like we got shafted, made we made the trade to butt F GWS so it works out pretty well

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 21, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
The Menzel trade in isolation looks like we got shafted, made we made the trade to butt F GWS so it works out pretty well

Yeah thankyou! Was hoping we wouldn't have to give up the #13 for Troy, correct me if im wrong but

Couldn't Carlton have simply snapped up Kerridge in the pre-season draft for nothing? ???

Quote from: tbagrocks on October 21, 2015, 08:43:43 PM
Yeah thankyou! Was hoping we wouldn't have to give up the #13 for Troy, correct me if im wrong but

Couldn't Carlton have simply snapped up Kerridge in the pre-season draft for nothing? ???

We were going to trade a 2nd round pick for him apparently. It also gave us a piece we needed to satisfy the Giants and also lets us snap up Aish potentially

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

who u gonna get at 12 that will play in your push for a premiership next year? nobody give the pick

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 11, 2015, 10:27:22 PM
In a way I am also happy Carlisle nominated the Saints. The way he went about his on field stuff including not giving an effort and stating 'this team is flowered' and telling opponents he was counting down the days before he left at the end of the season, it is a horrible attitude. It''s almost like he is just looking for a pay day and considering we are trying to rebuild he isn't the type of player we need. Yeah he has talent, but there is no certainty he lives up to it with his attitude.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-22/star-saints-recruit-jake-carlisle-truly-sorry-after-leaked-video
the wada investigation hanging over his head to, we totally dodged a bullet on this one, kudos to the bumbers getting pick 5

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 11:14:27 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

who u gonna get at 12 that will play in your push for a premiership next year? nobody give the pick

Yarran won't play a part in your push for a premiership either though so from the tigs perspective you should take 19 :P

Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 01:01:10 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 11:14:27 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

who u gonna get at 12 that will play in your push for a premiership next year? nobody give the pick

Yarran won't play a part in your push for a premiership either though so from the tigs perspective you should take 19 :P

Well said GL 19 is well and truly fair for this guy he is a big risk i think of remaining the lazy sook he has shown throughout his career

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2015, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 01:01:10 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 11:14:27 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

who u gonna get at 12 that will play in your push for a premiership next year? nobody give the pick

Yarran won't play a part in your push for a premiership either though so from the tigs perspective you should take 19 :P

Well said GL 19 is well and truly fair for this guy he is a big risk i think of remaining the lazy sook he has shown throughout his career

tigers will give pick 12 ;)

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 01:56:12 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2015, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 01:01:10 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 11:14:27 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

who u gonna get at 12 that will play in your push for a premiership next year? nobody give the pick

Yarran won't play a part in your push for a premiership either though so from the tigs perspective you should take 19 :P

Well said GL 19 is well and truly fair for this guy he is a big risk i think of remaining the lazy sook he has shown throughout his career

tigers will give pick 12 ;)

If they do i might start following GWS  :P

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2015, 02:08:18 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 01:56:12 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2015, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: GoLions on October 22, 2015, 01:01:10 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 11:14:27 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 21, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 21, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
yeah pick 19 aint cutting the mustard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-21/trade-winds-could-yarran-sit-out-2016
surely they just trying to play hardball, they need a guy like Yarran desperately more than pick 12

Pick 12 haha pick 19 is overs for the lazy spud  :P

who u gonna get at 12 that will play in your push for a premiership next year? nobody give the pick

Yarran won't play a part in your push for a premiership either though so from the tigs perspective you should take 19 :P

Well said GL 19 is well and truly fair for this guy he is a big risk i think of remaining the lazy sook he has shown throughout his career

tigers will give pick 12 ;)

If they do i might start following GWS  :P

;D ;D ;D


Giants forward Adam Tomlinson, linked to Carlton as late as this morning, just started following the Blues on Twitter - a move that was quickly reciprocated.

A dead giveaway a move has gone through and he'll be joining ex-Giants Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Lachie Plowman and Liam Sumner at the Blues?

Waite
Garlett
Betts
Yarran
Menzel
maybe Everitt?

you boys hate forwards?? :P

we trade picks 21 n 22 for the bullies 11, some other late rd swapping involved

apparently yaz gone for pick 19

Quote from: Ricochet on October 22, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
Waite
Garlett
Betts
Yarran
Menzel
maybe Everitt?

you boys hate forwards?? :P

add Henderson too

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 22, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
apparently yaz gone for pick 19

;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Ricochet on October 22, 2015, 02:45:23 PM

Quote from: Ricochet on October 22, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
Waite
Garlett
Betts
Yarran
Menzel
maybe Everitt?

you boys hate forwards?? :P

add Henderson too

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/afl-trades-2015-titus-oreily-on-carlton-blues-being-player-free-by-2018/story-fni0fit3-1227576965233 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/afl-trades-2015-titus-oreily-on-carlton-blues-being-player-free-by-2018/story-fni0fit3-1227576965233)

Quote from: Big  Mac on October 22, 2015, 02:57:43 PM

Quote from: Ricochet on October 22, 2015, 02:45:23 PM

Quote from: Ricochet on October 22, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
Waite
Garlett
Betts
Yarran
Menzel
maybe Everitt?

you boys hate forwards?? :P

add Henderson too

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/afl-trades-2015-titus-oreily-on-carlton-blues-being-player-free-by-2018/story-fni0fit3-1227576965233 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/afl-trades-2015-titus-oreily-on-carlton-blues-being-player-free-by-2018/story-fni0fit3-1227576965233)

haha gold

So the trade period ends and our ins and outs look like this

OUT: Menzel, Bell, Hendo, Yaz, Pick 20, Pick 21 (Bell trade), 28 (Menz trade), 41, 77, 95, Cats 2016 First round pick (Hendo trade), Carlton's 2016 4th round pick

IN: Plowman, Sumner, Lamb, Phillips, Kerridge, picks 8, 11, 19, 60 and the Dogs third round pick next season.

Of the players, they all fill that need for 18-24 year old guys which our list lacks. 3 of them are former first round picks.

Our picks in the draft this year

1, 8, 11, 19, 59, 60 and 113. We don't have a 2nd or 3rd round pick but have 4 in the first round.

In SOS we trust

1. Weitering
8. Milera
11. Balic
19. Collins/McKay (hoping one slips)

The man can take whomever he wants. He is obviously targeting someone in that 11-12 range which is why he wanted Richmond's pick 12. Once he got the pick from the Dogs he accepted 19 for Yaz.

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 22, 2015, 09:55:33 PM
The man can take whomever he wants. He is obviously targeting someone in that 11-12 range which is why he wanted Richmond's pick 12. Once he got the pick from the Dogs he accepted 19 for Yaz.

Yeah I know man! That's just what I'm hoping for. I really rate Milera the kids a gun and will get us goals which is what we need!

Quote from: Money Shot on October 22, 2015, 10:00:10 PM

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 22, 2015, 09:55:33 PM
The man can take whomever he wants. He is obviously targeting someone in that 11-12 range which is why he wanted Richmond's pick 12. Once he got the pick from the Dogs he accepted 19 for Yaz.

Yeah I know man! That's just what I'm hoping for. I really rate Milera the kids a gun and will get us goals which is what we need!

little bummed we didnt get Tomlinson, thought the same about pick 12, he wanted it not for Yaz's value but for a targeted player

Does anyone know where we are at with father/son, I understand Bailey Rice has nominated st kilda. Are jake Bradley or jack silvagni any chance of being drafted for a bargain?

Jarred Grant has been delisted by the Dogs, would you lot look at him as you need forwards? ???

Quote from: tbagrocks on October 23, 2015, 08:35:40 PM
Jarred Grant has been delisted by the Dogs, would you lot look at him as you need forwards? ???

I hope not :-[

Quote from: blue on October 23, 2015, 08:33:32 PM
Does anyone know where we are at with father/son, I understand Bailey Rice has nominated st kilda. Are jake Bradley or jack silvagni any chance of being drafted for a bargain?

Silvagni is looking like a 3rd/4th round pick from what I gather, Bradley I think struggled at under 18's this year so he will go undrafted.

Quote from: tbagrocks on October 23, 2015, 08:35:40 PM
Jarred Grant has been delisted by the Dogs, would you lot look at him as you need forwards? ???

Yeah, not happening

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 23, 2015, 10:57:49 PM

Quote from: blue on October 23, 2015, 08:33:32 PM
Does anyone know where we are at with father/son, I understand Bailey Rice has nominated st kilda. Are jake Bradley or jack silvagni any chance of being drafted for a bargain?

Silvagni is looking like a 3rd/4th round pick from what I gather, Bradley I think struggled at under 18's this year so he will go undrafted.

Quote from: tbagrocks on October 23, 2015, 08:35:40 PM
Jarred Grant has been delisted by the Dogs, would you lot look at him as you need forwards? ???

Yeah, not happening

Thanks matt

Hey guys I was just wondering where you think Everetts and Walkers best positions are? I feel as though if we just left them in the one position they would be very good players but espescially when Mick was coaching they seemed to be all over the place!
Also do you think that we could turn Dylan Buckley into a small forward type player? I think he has the talent to do it!

Quote from: Money Shot on October 24, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
Hey guys I was just wondering where you think Everetts and Walkers best positions are? I feel as though if we just left them in the one position they would be very good players but espescially when Mick was coaching they seemed to be all over the place!
Also do you think that we could turn Dylan Buckley into a small forward type player? I think he has the talent to do it!

Prefer Dylan off Half-Back, using his leg-speed to run the ball out, rather than lead up or crumb. Walker in the back half and Everitt in the Forward Line, but with both able to rotate with each other can be very handy. Walker and Everitt have barely played any games together since Everitt first appeared in the Forward Line this year, it could be a power combination in future.

Buckley wing rotating off half back
Walker and Everitt up forward with Walker pushing through the midfield and playing off the wing.

Walker's best position is through the midfield, his body has never let him get to the point where he could play there week in week out and since he is so versatile we have plugged him into holes. At the point we're at as a club it probably wouldn't benefit us to play him in that midfield role. He has proved he can be a 40 goal a year up forward and a matchup nightmare so that's where I would play him with our lack of goal kicking options.

Buckley is one of the few guys we have with line breaking pace and when he was drafted he was seen as the Simmo replacement. Simmo's best position has always been on the wing. With a rotation cap we can try to spell him at other ends of the ground and we will want our midfield to bat pretty deep. We could use the Irish boys in Byrne and Sheehan in that half back role as well which should free up Bucks to play more midfield.

Everitt would be our third tall forward. That is where he has excelled and the spot he has played the best footy of his career. I don't really want to see him go back to that tagging role. With a lack of tall options he should play that position hopefully

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 24, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
Buckley wing rotating off half back
Walker and Everitt up forward with Walker pushing through the midfield and playing off the wing.

Walker's best position is through the midfield, his body has never let him get to the point where he could play there week in week out and since he is so versatile we have plugged him into holes. At the point we're at as a club it probably wouldn't benefit us to play him in that midfield role. He has proved he can be a 40 goal a year up forward and a matchup nightmare so that's where I would play him with our lack of goal kicking options.

Buckley is one of the few guys we have with line breaking pace and when he was drafted he was seen as the Simmo replacement. Simmo's best position has always been on the wing. With a rotation cap we can try to spell him at other ends of the ground and we will want our midfield to bat pretty deep. We could use the Irish boys in Byrne and Sheehan in that half back role as well which should free up Bucks to play more midfield.

Everitt would be our third tall forward. That is where he has excelled and the spot he has played the best footy of his career. I don't really want to see him go back to that tagging role. With a lack of tall options he should play that position hopefully

Cheers mate!

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-24/clubs-eyeing-delisted-hawks-forward-grimley

They are linking him with the Lions, if Botlon had much to do with him he could be a low risk high reward pick up. A ruck that can pinch hit up forward so he would fill both needs.

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 24, 2015, 06:44:55 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-24/clubs-eyeing-delisted-hawks-forward-grimley

They are linking him with the Lions, if Botlon had much to do with him he could be a low risk high reward pick up. A ruck that can pinch hit up forward so he would fill both needs.

he looked decent in his games, that said anyone could look decent in the hawthorn machine :-\

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on October 25, 2015, 11:44:56 AM

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 24, 2015, 06:44:55 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-24/clubs-eyeing-delisted-hawks-forward-grimley

They are linking him with the Lions, if Botlon had much to do with him he could be a low risk high reward pick up. A ruck that can pinch hit up forward so he would fill both needs.

he looked decent in his games, that said anyone could look decent in the hawthorn machine :-\

Yeh I wouldn't be surprised to see Fitzy kick 50 this year

http://titusoreily.com/carlton-confident-of-being-player-free-by-2018/

I don't understand how people are complaining about 'Carlton trading all our players'?
I distinctly recall giving up 1 young chap for 5 other chaps.
The other 2 blokes were both traded for picks, both wanted to leave, so that is no such issue?
Out 3, In 5?

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 26, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
I don't understand how people are complaining about 'Carlton trading all our players'?
I distinctly recall giving up 1 young chap for 5 other chaps.
The other 2 blokes were both traded for picks, both wanted to leave, so that is no such issue?
Out 3, In 5?

I agree this year we have done well! Wish I could say the same for previous years ...

According to a lot of people on here we will be looking at Matheison with our first pick in the draft, does anyone know much about him?

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 26, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
I don't understand how people are complaining about 'Carlton trading all our players'?
I distinctly recall giving up 1 young chap for 5 other chaps.
The other 2 blokes were both traded for picks, both wanted to leave, so that is no such issue?
Out 3, In 5?

Just people having a laugh at how JJK, Betts, Garlett, Mitch Robinson etc have left and gone on to perform very well at other clubs

Then obviously Menzel, Hendo, Yarran and Bell left this year too

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-26/i-didnt-work-had-enough-at-carlton-admits-delisted-big-man

Yeah, good luck with that (http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideroll.gif)

Quote from: Big  Mac on October 26, 2015, 09:07:48 PM

Quote from: fanTCfool on October 26, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
I don't understand how people are complaining about 'Carlton trading all our players'?
I distinctly recall giving up 1 young chap for 5 other chaps.
The other 2 blokes were both traded for picks, both wanted to leave, so that is no such issue?
Out 3, In 5?

Just people having a laugh at how JJK, Betts, Garlett, Mitch Robinson etc have left and gone on to perform very well at other clubs

Then obviously Menzel, Hendo, Yarran and Bell left this year too

I agree with all of that, it's just how many we traded contrasted to how many requested to be traded.
It's the club's responsibility to get the player to their destination of choice, especially with circumstances bigger than footy (eg. Bell)

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-10-28/final-list-changes

QuoteSenior players Robert Warnock and Nick Holman, along with rookie-listed players Tom Fields and Brad Walsh have been delisted.

Walsh? Really? He had a great year by the sounds of it

Quote from: Ricochet on October 28, 2015, 06:07:47 PM
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-10-28/final-list-changes

QuoteSenior players Robert Warnock and Nick Holman, along with rookie-listed players Tom Fields and Brad Walsh have been delisted.

Walsh? Really? He had a great year by the sounds of it

Can't have been that good considering he couldn't get a game in that atrocious side and nick graham almost beat him for the b+f despite playing flower all games in the vfl

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 28, 2015, 06:52:23 PM

Quote from: Ricochet on October 28, 2015, 06:07:47 PM
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-10-28/final-list-changes

QuoteSenior players Robert Warnock and Nick Holman, along with rookie-listed players Tom Fields and Brad Walsh have been delisted.

Walsh? Really? He had a great year by the sounds of it

Can't have been that good considering he couldn't get a game in that atrocious side and nick graham almost beat him for the b+f despite playing flower all games in the vfl

Yeh i guess so. Still, ressies BnF in his first year and then delisted is rough

Holman is the big surprise out of those ones. He showed a bit this year in the games he played. Fields is apparently giving the NFL a shot.

The other spud ruck hasn't been delisted yet.

So 3 retirements, 8 delistings and 4 players traded out with 4 GWS and Kerridge coming in.

Are they seriously thinking about taking 9 picks in a draft that doesnt go very deep?

Quote from: Capper on October 28, 2015, 11:36:17 PM
So 3 retirements, 8 delistings and 4 players traded out with 4 GWS and Kerridge coming in.

Are they seriously thinking about taking 9 picks in a draft that doesnt go very deep?

They've got like 4 in the first round though and Silvagni as a F/S pick, plus you'd think they'll probably acquire at least one DFA.

A few of the guys we have delisted are rookies as well

They have 1, 8, 11, 19 then a massive gap to 59, 60 and 113 as their last pick.

I can see a club bidding for Silvagni as well which will cost them spots

Cameron Wood will probably go onto the senior list, taking the total to 34. Clubs can go with 38 on the senior list if they want to.

Quote from: Mat0369 on October 28, 2015, 11:36:04 PM
Holman is the big surprise out of those ones. He showed a bit this year in the games he played. Fields is apparently giving the NFL a shot.

The other spud ruck hasn't been delisted yet.

this just doesnt make any sense. You draft him pick 51. He plays 8 games this year and gets dropped.

surely you dont have soo many guns on your list that you cant keep him.

Quote from: Holz on October 30, 2015, 12:26:27 PM
this just doesnt make any sense. You draft him pick 51. He plays 8 games this year and gets dropped.

surely you dont have soo many guns on your list that you cant keep him.

I am thinking maybe a couple get rookie listed

Speaking of rookies, anyone catch your collective eyes in the PSD?
Wright is the main one for me, though Simpkin and Kane Mitchell have also caught my eye.

I really hope we pick up Wright, he is a good player and will get games as that half forward that can go through the mid role.

Just read a phantom draft which had us taking
1 weitering
11 Harry McKay
14 burton
23 Ben McKay
Fair bit of unknown  with burton
But I think this is my wish list

The way I see it Silvagni clearly was eying someone off when he was looking for those draft picks so as long as it isn't someone that I've never heard of or someone we could've got at pick 19 I will be happy with Weitering and two other up and comers.

I am curious to see if we go after Grimley.

Next year, ruck wise, are we:

• Kreuz
• Phillips
• Gorringe
• Wood

or something else?

Rhymes with Orange will be number 2. I didn't realise we could grab him as a delisted FA, that's a really good move for us. He was one guy I would have been targeting and I think I mentioned when I said one of the GC rucks.

Apparently Holman is training with the group at the moment and it looks like we will rookie list him. That's another good move, I like what he showed and I think he deserves a spot on the list. If we can grab Grimley and Wright to add to the mix with the draftees I think the offseason has been as good as we could have expected. A ton of youth with potential in an age bracket we seriously lack, a few senior bodies with experience and some very good depth in positions we are weak (especially in the ruck)

Yeah, I think Gorringe will be second for you guys. He offers more than Phillips does athletically and isn't hopeless around the ground.

Hearing that Aaron Francis is playing some smoke and mirrors tricks to stay in Adelaide, I say Carlton must pick him at 8 if available. He's the type of player you can build a team around, could well be the best player from the draft. Big call considering SOS has dealt with many walk outs at GWS but one has to pick the best available. Weitering, Francis, Balic & Collins would be a great start in the rebuild.

Quote from: King Cripps on November 01, 2015, 12:11:28 AM
I really hope we pick up Wright, he is a good player and will get games as that half forward that can go through the mid role.

Can't we just sign him as a delisted free agent?

Quote from: blue on November 06, 2015, 09:03:24 PM
Just read a phantom draft which had us taking
1 weitering
11 Harry McKay
14 burton
23 Ben McKay
Fair bit of unknown  with burton
But I think this is my wish list

Changed my wish list
1 weitering
11 Oliver
14 Harry McKay
23 burton

1 KPD
11 inside ball winning midfielder
14 200cm KPF tall enough to pinch hit in the ruck
23 Fev junior

Quote from: Bully on November 15, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
Hearing that Aaron Francis is playing some smoke and mirrors tricks to stay in Adelaide, I say Carlton must pick him at 8 if available. He's the type of player you can build a team around, could well be the best player from the draft. Big call considering SOS has dealt with many walk outs at GWS but one has to pick the best available. Weitering, Francis, Balic & Collins would be a great start in the rebuild.

I agree, him or Weideman are locks, I guess you take whoever is there at pick 8, but who knows if you can choose between both...
I prefer Francis, but if he is trying so hard to get to the Crows, will he play with passion for the Blues?
Shouldn't make a difference realistically.

will he slide now... http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-20/top-draft-prospect-charlie-curnow-held-by-police-after-refusing-breath-test

I certainly hope so ;D
But I doubt it he is too good.

Weitering
Schache
Parish
Francis
Curnow
Milera
weideman
Oliver

That is locked in for me.

Quote from: Bully on November 15, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
Hearing that Aaron Francis is playing some smoke and mirrors tricks to stay in Adelaide, I say Carlton must pick him at 8 if available. He's the type of player you can build a team around, could well be the best player from the draft. Big call considering SOS has dealt with many walk outs at GWS but one has to pick the best available. Weitering, Francis, Balic & Collins would be a great start in the rebuild.

Good luck to him, because there is no flowering way he's staying in Adelaide  :P

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on November 20, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
will he slide now... http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-20/top-draft-prospect-charlie-curnow-held-by-police-after-refusing-breath-test

Who would know. It should at least take the Suns out of the picture.

Very happy with the draft this year although I wished we swapped Cunningham with Collins. Anyways who do you think will be playing round 1 out of the boys we drafted this year?

agreed, so stoked with our first 3 picks 8)

Blues supporters can stick the middle finger at the sports journos who described them as draft losers last year (a huge call for a journo to make the day after the draft hahaha).

The Blues draft haul this season will more than make-up for the arguable selections in the past. I'm not too familiar with Cunningham and I thought that you guys were going to walk away with a sliding Balic as well. But I honestly see a side with key position players and various talls that will be the envy of most clubs in the long-term - they look to have nailed this draft (I think this draft would have been satisfying to almost all teams - but by head count, I see the Lions, Bombers, Giants, Demons, & Blues walking away with the biggest smiles)

I see Carlton advancing from here in the same way as GWS (I initially thought the club was flowered but now I'm looking forward to watching them over the next 5 seasons)

Quote from: powersuperkents on November 25, 2015, 01:40:18 AM
Blues supporters can stick the middle finger at the sports journos who described them as draft losers last year (a huge call for a journo to make the day after the draft hahaha).

The Blues draft haul this season will more than make-up for the arguable selections in the past. I'm not too familiar with Cunningham and I thought that you guys were going to walk away with a sliding Balic as well. But I honestly see a side with key position players and various talls that will be the envy of most clubs in the long-term - they look to have nailed this draft (I think this draft would have been satisfying to almost all teams - but by head count, I see the Lions, Bombers, Giants, Demons, & Blues walking away with the biggest smiles)

I see Carlton advancing from here in the same way as GWS (I initially thought the club was flowered but now I'm looking forward to watching them over the next 5 seasons)

to be fair drafted pretty poorly last year.

Boekenhurst  when Laverde avilable
Vojo Rainbow over Miller, Blakely etc.


did really well this yearthough.

Curnow probably slipped with the off field stuff.

Quote from: Holz on November 25, 2015, 11:03:46 AM

Quote from: powersuperkents on November 25, 2015, 01:40:18 AM
Blues supporters can stick the middle finger at the sports journos who described them as draft losers last year (a huge call for a journo to make the day after the draft hahaha).

The Blues draft haul this season will more than make-up for the arguable selections in the past. I'm not too familiar with Cunningham and I thought that you guys were going to walk away with a sliding Balic as well. But I honestly see a side with key position players and various talls that will be the envy of most clubs in the long-term - they look to have nailed this draft (I think this draft would have been satisfying to almost all teams - but by head count, I see the Lions, Bombers, Giants, Demons, & Blues walking away with the biggest smiles)

I see Carlton advancing from here in the same way as GWS (I initially thought the club was flowered but now I'm looking forward to watching them over the next 5 seasons)

to be fair drafted pretty poorly last year.

Boekenhurst  when Laverde avilable
Vojo Rainbow over Miller, Blakely etc.


did really well this yearthough.

Curnow probably slipped with the off field stuff.

The change of staff is really making significant differences at Carlton and Melbourne

Quote from: King Cripps on November 24, 2015, 11:04:02 PM
Very happy with the draft this year although I wished we swapped Cunningham with Collins. Anyways who do you think will be playing round 1 out of the boys we drafted this year?

I have no issues with Cunningham, all the others that I wanted ( burton, McKay and Gresham ) were already taken

You didn't rate Collins?

If I was a Blues supporter it would be hard to get the smile off my face, did very well.  ;)

Quote from: King Cripps on November 25, 2015, 03:11:16 PM
You didn't rate Collins?

It's not that I don't rate him it's just he was not on my wish list but neither was Cunnington. Anyway won't SOSSOS be our fullback for the next 20 years

Quote from: Grazz on November 25, 2015, 03:13:16 PM
If I was a Blues supporter it would be hard to get the smile off my face, did very well.  ;)

yes very happy 8)

Matty wright has signed with the blues! Good too see we are finally getting some depth on our list! People will have to start performing to keep there spots! Very happy :)

That's a good signing. Even if he isn't best 22 in a lot of teams he fits a need for us right now. He is a mature body that can act as a transitional player for the kids and helps with veteran leadership on the field.

If we can get Grimely (either PSD, rookie or delisted FA signing) and also get Holman back as a rookie, the offseason will be pretty close to a perfect result.

Jamison
Rowe
Weitering
Plowman

Do you guys think there is enough room for all of them in our backline? If so who do we drop? I personally think dropping Jamo would be best for the club but he is one of our leaders and doubt we would do that!

Cripps' contract has been extended to 2019, which is fantastic news, shame it couldn't be longer.

I watched the blues v  hawks was very impressed with kerridge  could be a nice little pick  ;)

Quote from: truBLUE on February 20, 2016, 05:50:27 PM
I watched the blues v  hawks was very impressed with kerridge  could be a nice little pick  ;)

Impressed with the whole team in general tbh

Very entertaining brand of football - it looks as if Bolton has had a significant impact at the club so far

Harry McKay out for 3 months

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-07/back-stress-fractures-out-blue-harry-mckay-for-two-months

With Daisy suspended round 1 I am thinking our 22 will look like this

Tuohy, Jamo, Weitering
Simmo, Rowe, Docherty
Curnow, Cripps, Boekhorst
Buckley, Levi, Everitt
Lamb, Gorringe, Walker
Kreuz, Gibbs, Murph
Kerridge, Graham, White, Wright

I hope they make him earn his spot through the reserves....

Buckley off the HFF?

Quote from: fanTCfool on March 15, 2016, 10:35:36 PM
Buckley off the HFF?

Yup. Word is he has been training there all pre-season. We need pace and pressure in the forward line, he provides both. He will rotate through the wing when Boekhorst/Curnow take a rest. Bolton had him basically playing that role in NAB 3 as well.

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 15, 2016, 11:02:44 PM

Quote from: fanTCfool on March 15, 2016, 10:35:36 PM
Buckley off the HFF?

Yup. Word is he has been training there all pre-season. We need pace and pressure in the forward line, he provides both. He will rotate through the wing when Boekhorst/Curnow take a rest. Bolton had him basically playing that role in NAB 3 as well.

So he's playing a role that Charlie Curnow could fill when ready at AFL level?

Bucks is a lot smaller. I am expecting Curnow to fill the role Walker is playing when ready. Walker is the guy that causes matchup problems and has the running capacity of a midfielder. After losing Eddie and Jeffy with no suitable replacement it looks like Bucks is down there to play as a small forward and pinch hit on the wing.

I think we will miss his run off half-back, shame we can't have two of him.
Very explosive rebound player.

The back 6 will be fine with Docherty, Simmo and Tuohy to rebound. It looks like they are going to try and keep the back 6 fairly in tact the way the Hawks do. Adding him for spurts on the wing will allow him to break lines in a different way.

So Wright only scrapes into the 22 we think? What role can we see him playing? Small forward? Half forward? Any midfield rotations?

Quote from: elephants on March 17, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
So Wright only scrapes into the 22 we think? What role can we see him playing? Small forward? Half forward? Any midfield rotations?

I see him being somewhat of a replacement for Bell. Medium sized forward that rotates through the midfield.

Quote from: Money Shot on March 17, 2016, 03:56:09 PM

Quote from: elephants on March 17, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
So Wright only scrapes into the 22 we think? What role can we see him playing? Small forward? Half forward? Any midfield rotations?

I see him being somewhat of a replacement for Bell. Medium sized forward that rotates through the midfield.

Yeah thats nice, I've done a lot of reading on him as I'm looking at starting him in AF as somewhat of a POD. Most people have varied opinions on him but I suppose you wouldn't have picked him up if he was gonna play VFL.

He's also sitting in my Elite Draft leftovers pool and I'm tempted to slot him in as F6 to cover Daisy for round 1 and potentially longer term if he looks to be pushing 80!

Quote from: elephants on March 17, 2016, 04:15:15 PM

Quote from: Money Shot on March 17, 2016, 03:56:09 PM

Quote from: elephants on March 17, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
So Wright only scrapes into the 22 we think? What role can we see him playing? Small forward? Half forward? Any midfield rotations?

I see him being somewhat of a replacement for Bell. Medium sized forward that rotates through the midfield.

Yeah thats nice, I've done a lot of reading on him as I'm looking at starting him in AF as somewhat of a POD. Most people have varied opinions on him but I suppose you wouldn't have picked him up if he was gonna play VFL.

He's also sitting in my Elite Draft leftovers pool and I'm tempted to slot him in as F6 to cover Daisy for round 1 and potentially longer term if he looks to be pushing 80!

How much is he in AF? I personally will be stayin away but I am also considering him in a draft as well.

Quote from: Money Shot on March 17, 2016, 04:54:34 PM

Quote from: elephants on March 17, 2016, 04:15:15 PM

Quote from: Money Shot on March 17, 2016, 03:56:09 PM

Quote from: elephants on March 17, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
So Wright only scrapes into the 22 we think? What role can we see him playing? Small forward? Half forward? Any midfield rotations?

I see him being somewhat of a replacement for Bell. Medium sized forward that rotates through the midfield.

Yeah thats nice, I've done a lot of reading on him as I'm looking at starting him in AF as somewhat of a POD. Most people have varied opinions on him but I suppose you wouldn't have picked him up if he was gonna play VFL.

He's also sitting in my Elite Draft leftovers pool and I'm tempted to slot him in as F6 to cover Daisy for round 1 and potentially longer term if he looks to be pushing 80!

How much is he in AF? I personally will be stayin away but I am also considering him in a draft as well.

309k in DT but I'm looking long and hard if for some ridiculous reason M.Grigg isn't named for Adelaide rd1

Quote from: elephants on March 17, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
So Wright only scrapes into the 22 we think? What role can we see him playing? Small forward? Half forward? Any midfield rotations?

He will be competing for a spot with Lamb as a small forward that can pressure and get small stints through the midfield.

So they have gone with Phillips over Gorringe. Not really surprised, it depends what they were after in the 2nd ruck but the 22 looks like I thought it would.

Matty Wright named on ball, rack up lad :P

Brimming with pride from the effort last night 8)

Was impressed! Another massive test against the Swans this week though, hope the Blues can back it up!

Look like a different side when Gibbs and Murphy are both finding the pill at will. Very impressed with what Matthew Wright provided around goals too.

I still stand by I hope Daisy has to earn a spot through the twos. I wouldn't be dropping Lamb or Wright at his expense considering both played well.

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 30, 2016, 08:31:16 PM
I still stand by I hope Daisy has to earn a spot through the twos. I wouldn't be dropping Lamb or Wright at his expense considering both played well.

Thought Wright's third quarter was great (although a turnover at halfback that cost a goal was pretty gross). Lamb too competed, so on the back of this, where do we see Daisy playing? I assume half forward with stints on the wing? Or closer to goal?

Hopefully the seconds this week, and then he'll probably push out Lamb based on our R1 performance

Surely you're not paying 700k for a player to play seconds when he's not coming off an injury :p

Quote from: elephants on March 31, 2016, 01:41:16 PM
Surely you're not paying 700k for a player to play seconds when he's not coming off an injury :p

Would prefer that but obviously not. :-X

Quote from: elephants on March 31, 2016, 02:34:08 AM
Thought Wright's third quarter was great (although a turnover at halfback that cost a goal was pretty gross). Lamb too competed, so on the back of this, where do we see Daisy playing? I assume half forward with stints on the wing? Or closer to goal?

He'll play on the wing.

Everitt played a lot on the wing so he goes back to the forward line and Daisy starts there. I am thinking Bucks is the out looking at our extended bench, he was the worst performer but I don't think it's worth dropping him.

Quote from: Diesels Pups on March 31, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
Would prefer that but obviously not. :-X

It might happen soon enough.....

What a bloody string of wins lads how good is this?

How bloody good was the reaction of fans to Bolton walking of the ground?

#clubunited

Summer and Lamb seem to be having an increased impact each week, very promising

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on May 15, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
What a bloody string of wins lads how good is this?

How bloody good was the reaction of fans to Bolton walking of the ground?

#clubunited

You should have heard the roar at the post game in the social club.

The good news, Levi hasn't done an ACL. The bad news, Bolts did say probably 6-8 weeks but didn't elaborate on the injury.

It's good to get a nice string of wins in a row. I could go a lot more in depth but I'm still pretty pumped from the game.

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on May 15, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
What a bloody string of wins lads how good is this?

How bloody good was the reaction of fans to Bolton walking of the ground?

#clubunited

Last time you had a run like this Simpson was playing his 150th, bit of irony there mate.  ;)
Never really doubted Bolton's ability to turn things around and begin to improve but he's more
than surpassed what I expected in his 1st season at the helm. Not surprised the Blues faithful
haven fallen in love with him, how could you not be.

So this Bryce Gibbs bloke is a star. I've been laughed at for years by my mates who reckon he's a dud. Who's laughing now!

This week will be a real test, assuming Jacobs goes to him over Marc.

Quote from: Grazz on May 16, 2016, 05:39:45 AM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on May 15, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
What a bloody string of wins lads how good is this?

How bloody good was the reaction of fans to Bolton walking of the ground?

#clubunited

Last time you had a run like this Simpson was playing his 150th, bit of irony there mate.  ;)
Never really doubted Bolton's ability to turn things around and begin to improve but he's more
than surpassed what I expected in his 1st season at the helm. Not surprised the Blues faithful
haven fallen in love with him, how could you not be.

Just continuing his apprenticeship, we'll take him back at hawthorn when Clarko retires!

Quote from: elephants on May 16, 2016, 11:30:54 AM
So this Bryce Gibbs bloke is a star. I've been laughed at for years by my mates who reckon he's a dud. Who's laughing now!

This week will be a real test, assuming Jacobs goes to him over Marc.

Hopefully he does, so Murphy goes alright for me in SC ;D

Jaksch will have an opportunity to take up a key forward post with Levi out for a while. I think with the Roos tall forward line we will need to play Rowe back, even if Weitering is good to go. Rowe probably follows Ben Brown around for the whole game and goes into the ruck when he does.

Watched the Carlton doco "the journey" tonight, not sure if you guys have seen it, worth a watch though

All I can say is that Bolton is a very impressive character. Definitely the right man for the job

I saw it during the preseason when it first aired. I was a huge fan of Bolton before we signed him but the doco just reaffirmed my opinion. 

He's building them as men while building them as players. Weitering's demeanor in the doco was also really impressive, he just oozes leadership.

There's going to be a second part released I think on the bye week.

Yep same, i like the way he is approaching the "culture rebuild" look forward to part 2

CARLTON
Player   Injury   Estimated Return
Dylan Buckley   Suspended (VFL)   Available round 11
Levi Casboult   Shin   6-7 weeks
Charlie Curnow   Glandular fever   TBC
Andrew Gallucci   Shoulder   Season
Matthew Kreuzer   Knee   2-4 weeks
Harry McKay *   Back   3 weeks
Andrew Phillips   Hamstring   2 weeks
Jacob Weitering   Shoulder   Test
Mark Whiley   Calf   Test
Updated: Tuesday, May 17

Who the bloody hell are we gonna play in the ruck :(

Gorringe although I don't think he played VFL on the weekend

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 18, 2016, 02:09:55 PM
Gorringe although I don't think he played VFL on the weekend

So maybe Rowe?

Surely we revert to Wood again? Can't afford to have Rowe out of the backline against North, they have so many options.

As a side note, I really hope we don't rush Weits back this week, for the greater good!

I'm pretty sure Wood also didn't play in the VFL. He was carrying an injury through the preseason so I'm not entirely sure how fit he is either. If Gorringe can't get up expect it to be Rowe with Jones spelling him. Otherwise the yank Korcheck would be in for an early debut. White will come in to cover in defense if we do go the Rowe route. Walker could also probably play on Waite

w0w yeah chuck Korchek in, Holmes and Cox did well in their debuts, i dont like the idea of Rowe or Jones getting hurt playing out of position although Trengove is doing well for Port, it's how Stef Martin fell into a ruck gig so eh...

Il look forward to seeing how whoever plays the role goes ;)

Last I checked neither of the big guys have been elevated off the rookie list so I am expecting Gorringe to be ready. It's a huge opportunity for him to show what he is capable of against the best.

Go-Orange :D

So bloody gutsy i love this team
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Bryce Gibbs was huge today

Quote from: Ricochet on May 29, 2016, 05:06:43 PM
Bryce Gibbs was huge today

His last 5-6 games have been close to career best I reckon

He's a flowerin star!

I'll post this here as well. Where are the idiots in the media that said to trade Gibbs?

I just read this article on the AFL website and I thought it was interesting.

QuoteCARLTON's list management team faces a busy second half of the year, with at least 20 players remaining unsigned beyond 2016.

Levi Casboult, Zac Tuohy, Andrejs Everitt and Sam Rowe are among the Blues' out-of-contract players, along with free agents Kade Simpson and Dennis Armfield.

All were part of the Blues' stirring victory over Geelong last Sunday, along with former Crow Matthew Wright, who is also set to come out of contract at the end of this season.

It is understood the Blues are yet to begin talks with nearly all of their unsigned players, content to wait until after their round 13 bye to do so.

The delay is partly explained by the need to give new coach Brendon Bolton enough time to make considered assessments of each player.

The Blues are also keen to keep their options open as they continue the list rebuild they embarked on after last season.

List manager Stephen Silvagni did not hold back when given his first chance to remould the Blues' list at the end of 2015.

In his first season back at Carlton after four years at Greater Western Sydney, Silvagni oversaw 15 departures from Ikon Park, including the trades of Lachie Henderson (Geelong) and contracted trio Chris Yarran (Richmond), Troy Menzel (Adelaide) and Tom Bell (Brisbane Lions).

The Blues also toyed with allowing Matthew Kreuzer to leave as a free agent before it became clear they would not be compensated with a first-round draft pick.

It's unlikely Carlton will undergo such an extreme makeover at the end of this season.

Nonetheless, as rejuvenated as the club has appeared under Bolton â€" and as much as its 5-5 start to 2016 has left most football pundits' faces smothered in egg â€" the Blues have fielded a relatively old and experienced team.

The side that defeated Geelong contained just three of the Blues' selections from the past eight national drafts (Rowe, Patrick Cripps and Jacob Weitering).

Carlton looks to have filled some holes in this age demographic with astute trading â€" see Sam Docherty, Sam Kerridge, Andrew Phillips and Lachie Plowman â€" but it still needs to create room on its list to bring more elite young talent in alongside 2015 draftees Jacob Weitering, Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow, David Cuningham and Jack Silvagni.

Some of the tough calls Silvagni and his list management team face will involve the four players the Blues took in the 2014 NAB AFL Draft â€" Blaine Boekhorst, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, Clem Smith and Jayden Foster.

Boekhorst appears best positioned to win another contract, having played 14 senior games. But the West Australian hasn't played since round three after a series of injuries.

Smith has played seven senior games but none this year under Bolton, while Viojo-Rainbow and Foster are yet to debut.

It promises to be a nervous wait over the next few months for the 2014 draft quartet, along with many of the Blues' other unsigned players.

Blues out of contract in 2016
Dennis Armfield, free agent, aged 29
Blaine Boekhorst, 22
Dylan Buckley, 23
Levi Casboult, 26
Matthew Dick, 21
Andrejs Everitt, 27
Jayden Foster, turns 21 on Wednesday
Andrew Gallucci, rookie, 22
Billy Gowers, rookie, 19
Nick Graham, 21
Sam Rowe, 28
Ciaran Sheehan, rookie, 25
Kade Simpson, free agent, 32
Clem Smith, 20
Zac Tuohy, 26
Jason Tutt, 25
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, 20
Mark Whiley, 23
Cameron Wood, rookie, 29
Matthew Wright, 26

What I am surprised at is Graham is actually younger then Boekhorst. Looking at the guys listed there it seems to be an interesting period. Of the guys listed this is how I see them.

Dennis Armfield - Based on current form he gets a contract. I think Bolton loves the stuff he does off the field as well so he can be a role model to the younger guys (who would have thought we could say that about the pest) and help bring through the younger group.

Blaine Boekhorst - Has shown enough through the NAB and the early couple of games to get a new deal. I think Bolton had him earmarked for the wing and he looked promising. He is another they will want to lock in.

Matthew Dick - Has had some solid form in the VFL the last couple of years but hasn't done enough to crack the 22. I am surprised he is so young, I thought he was a bit older as well. I think he might be one that won't be on the senior list or on the bubble but one we will look to rookie list pending form.

Andrejs Everitt - He can be frustrating with some of the mistakes he makes but he has been arguably our best forward the last 2 years. He would be one we look to lock in.

Jayden Foster - He is surprisingly older then I thought he would be. He hasn't exactly established himself at the lower level and I think tends to be battling injury. He was a late pick in the 60's so it wouldn't surprise me if they don't extend him.

Andrew Gallucci - rookie listed so kind of irrelevant. He's actually out for the season with a shoulder injury but he looked good at times in the NAB. He probably would be worth keeping around.

Billy Gowers - rookie listed so probably gets another year.

Nick Graham - This one could be big. It reminds me a bit of Shaun Grigg, he is a guy that is pretty much being held out due to similar types ahead of him that are in good form. He is a similar age bracket and out of contract, a team looking for inside mids might look at offering him a contract and he might be one that gets traded. I'd like to keep him, but a player of his caliber is too good for the VFL and he can't seem to crack our 22.

Sam Rowe - He has had some really good form this year after struggling a bit the last 12 months. I'm really happy for him and I think he gets another deal while we try and find another key tall through the draft (or Tomlinson!) to be one of our future key defenders with Weitering and Plowman.

Ciaran Sheehan - As well as Byrne has been playing this year, Sheehan was just as good in his first few games. The only thing that is hurting him is he has spent over 12 months on the injury list. We need him to start playing some footy again and he should see another deal.

Kade Simpson - Will play for as long as he wants to play. He is an out and out gone and the heartbeat of the team.

Clem Smith - This is an interesting one because of the way footy is evolving. If Clem can't show he has built up a tank to play AFL footy he will be out. The interchange cap and the endurance running needed is not exactly his strong suit so he might be on the back foot. He has shown he is hard at it, but essentially if you can't run you can't play.

Zac Tuohy - Lock him and load him

Jason Tutt - He is a list clogger and I would think he is gone.

Dillon Viojo-Rainbow - He is a bit disappointing so far, as a 2nd round pick you would think he would be pushing to be an emergency at least in his 2nd year of footy. He still has half a year of footy to build on and hopefully he can either start to play some really good footy in the VFL and cement a spot on the list.

Mark Whiley - One that has shown that he can rack up the pill but has struggled at AFL level. He is probably one in danger of not receiving a new contract so it will be interesting to see how that goes come the end of the year.

Cameron Wood - Gone

Matthew Wright - Has 100% done enough to earn a new contract and while he isn't the most skillful and doesn't dominate games his tackling and effort has been huge this year. He probably won't be in our next premiership team but you reward effort and he is a prime example.

Dylan Buckley - Buckley seems to be struggling with the new role as a HFF and is adjusting. He has been playing VFL before he received a suspension in the lower league. It hasn't been a good year of footy for him so far but he has talent to make it at AFL level, however I don't know if it will be at Carlton. He might be looking at a trade at the end of the year because it seems like he is falling down the pecking order at both ends of the field. I have always loved him as a possible wing, it will be interesting to see how his next 3 months go. We will probably look at making 5-6 changes minimum so he might unfortunately be one to make way.

Levi Casboult - Was apparently trade bait at the end of last season and started poorly before flicking the switch and going bang. I'd love to keep him around as well but the ball will be in Levi's court. I don't see us forking out the cash for him that he may want just because I don't think our cap situation is all that great, I'd love to keep him, but I can see a few teams trying to send us into a bidding war.

I am also thinking that Jamo retires at the end of this year, his body appears to be cooked which is a shame which means he might be calling timer sooner then he might have liked.

Just something else I've been thinking about heading into this week, but don't be surprised if we lose this Saturday. Bolts was on Footy Classified and Juddy raised an interesting point. Be said that as a player he generally felt the limited rotations the following week and asked Bolts if he would change the way they trained to accommodate. Bolts said a few guys would probably get lighter weeks and guys like Wright and Lamb were two examples since they played more in the midfield then they were used to.

At the post gane Andy Lee interviewed a few of the players including Doc and Gibbs. He asked Doc if he felt the pressure in the last quarter with the limited rests and Doc responded something similar to this.

I pretty much ran out the game fine, the backs our rotations didn't change really, he basically said to the midfield you guys aren't getting a chop out and the indicator will be if you're puking at the end of the game.

I reckon our midfield could be pretty sluggish and to make matters slightly worse it is a short week with a 6 day turnaround.

Good to see young SOS kick another 4 in the VFL yesterday. Looks like a really smart footballer

Andy McKay was on the pre-game and said that last week he played 85% game time and that's what they want him to build to before they pick him. He's had a couple of injuries to miss games already but his VFL form has been great.

Jaksch and SOS jr kicked 8 between them against Box Hill and neither were named in the best. Phillips was BOG. He'll come in to play his old mob in a fortnight.

I think the break will do us the world of good. They looked a bit bleh against Brisbane but we were still able to pull away. We struggled with our pressure for consistent periods against the Saints. I think we had maybe 20 minutes where we were up to scratch so a recharge should see us hopefully be competitive against the Giants.

I don't know what his contractual situation is like, but I hope we look at Jack Redpath in the off season.
The Doggies have obviously put their money with Boyd, so he could be looking for better JS and we desperately need a key forward.

Looks like Walker is about to announce his retirement

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-02/versatile-carlton-veteran-andrew-walker-expected-to-walk

Quote from: fanTCfool on July 04, 2016, 07:49:01 PM
I don't know what his contractual situation is like, but I hope we look at Jack Redpath in the off season.
The Doggies have obviously put their money with Boyd, so he could be looking for better JS and we desperately need a key forward.

Carlton are looking at Vickery aren't they?

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 02, 2016, 10:02:26 AM
Looks like Walker is about to announce his retirement

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-02/versatile-carlton-veteran-andrew-walker-expected-to-walk

Yep, confirmed now.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-08-02/walker-calls-time

Quote from: AaronKirk on August 02, 2016, 10:19:28 AM
Carlton are looking at Vickery aren't they?

God no, why? We already have our spud forward quota with Liam Jones.

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 02, 2016, 10:02:26 AM
Looks like Walker is about to announce his retirement

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-02/versatile-carlton-veteran-andrew-walker-expected-to-walk

When he was up and going he was an amazing player. He had all the tools. One of my favourite football moments was the mark he took on Carlisle at the G. I was at the game and had a pretty good side view from the top deck, it is still stuck in my head.

I am assuming Jamo isn't too far off retiring as well, he has battled injury for most of his career and has had an undisclosed illness which has kept him out of footy for a lot of this year as well. Both he and Walker were elite in their positions when they were fit but both struggled with their bodies.

Jamo has just retired effective immediately.

Dear Carlton members and supporters,

It is with a heavy heart that I write to you to announce my retirement from AFL football, effective immediately.

In recent times, I have found it increasingly hard to prepare, both physically and mentally, for the rigours of the sport. Being a representative of our football club demands an individual give nothing short of 100 per cent, and I’ve come to the realisation that I can no longer sustain the intensity required to play AFL.

When you’re in among the day-to-day routine of training, preparing and playing, it’s often difficult to step away and reflect upon all that has happened, but, since I made the decision to retire, I’ve had a chance to recall some of my achievements over my 10-year journey at the Blues. Experiences like going from a rookie-listed player to captaining the team on occasions and my tenure as vice-captain seem surreal, and I thank the Club for allowing me to represent it in those prestigious positions. Life Membership is something that I’m particularly proud of, and I know that inextricable link to the Carlton Football Club is only going to mean more and more as the years pass by.

I’ve been blessed to work with some incredible people who have each had an influence in shaping me into the man I am today. To the men who have served as senior coach throughout my career, Denis Pagan, Brett Ratten, Mick Malthouse, John Barker and Brendon Bolton, I thank you for everything you did for me.

To those assistant coaches that I’ve worked closely with over the years, in particular Gavin Crosisca, Brent Montgomery, Gavin Brown, Rob Wiley and Dale Amos, I thank you for investing the time and effort you have in me. We’ve shared some incredible memories together, and I can’t thank you enough for the support and guidance you have provided.

To the players I’ve run out with, thank you for your unwavering friendship. To know that I have people I can count on long after footy means the world to me. I’d especially like to thank the band of brothers who have lined up in defence with me throughout the years.

To my fiancée Georgie and my family, Jim, Sue, James, Will and Lucia, thank you for always believing in me. You’ve had to endure all of the ups and downs throughout the years, but your patience and unwavering support has kept me going. I couldn’t have done it without you. Thanks also to my manager, Nigel Carmody.

I’m going to miss footy. Knowing I’ll never don the navy blue guernsey again is difficult to process, but I leave with a decade’s worth of memories that I’ll cherish for the rest of my life. The thrill of running out onto the MCG in front of 95,000 people is a rush that I know I’ll never be able to replicate, while the feeling after a win, being surrounded by family, teammates and support staff is something that I’ll look back upon fondly and, to a certain extent, wistfully.

The support the Carlton family continues to conjure week after week, year after year, is a true testament to you all. The boys appreciate it so much and, personally, it’s something I’ll never forget. I thank you for all the support and kindness you’ve shown me and I can’t wait to sit with you in the years to come and cheer on future generations of Carlton players.

I hope that I’ve been able to do the guernsey proud.

Yours sincerely,

Michael Jamison

Great to see another of our 2015 draftees named this week in cuningham, leaving only McKay left to debut, which hopefully we will see in the next few weeks. I was happy enough with what I have already seen from jack, curnow and weitering but to get 4 of 5 out there is just fantastic for the club and hopefully puts the shambles of the 2014 draft behind us

I was really pleased with the performance today. If only we had shown up with half the intensity we had today against the Lions we would have won that game. Buckley may have just locked himself a new contract after today's game. With his inconsistent year he may have been one we looked to ship off. It will be interesting to see how this offseason goes with so many guys out of contract but still stuck with a few guys locked into bad deals.

Special mention must go to Liam Jones today, defensive pressure was good and an aerial presence

Hey guys, how many seasons do you reckon Simmo has in him. Has an amazing record of durability so I would've thought a couple more seasons at least? I guess (barring any unforeseen major injury) it will come down to his mindset on whether he wants to continue playing?

Quote from: Rusty00 on September 05, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
Hey guys, how many seasons do you reckon Simmo has in him. Has an amazing record of durability so I would've thought a couple more seasons at least? I guess (barring any unforeseen major injury) it will come down to his mindset on whether he wants to continue playing?

2017 looks set to be his last, though body-wise he could go on for many more. In fact, he hasn't signed on for 2017 yet IIRC but I am almost 100% certain that he will.

Quote from: fanTCfool on September 05, 2016, 04:59:07 PM

Quote from: Rusty00 on September 05, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
Hey guys, how many seasons do you reckon Simmo has in him. Has an amazing record of durability so I would've thought a couple more seasons at least? I guess (barring any unforeseen major injury) it will come down to his mindset on whether he wants to continue playing?

2017 looks set to be his last, though body-wise he could go on for many more. In fact, he hasn't signed on for 2017 yet IIRC but I am almost 100% certain that he will.

When he did his calf a year or two ago I thought he was done. Pretty ultimate professional but I agree that 2017 will be his last.