Thought I'd make this thread for all the discussion regarding injuries, team selection, contracts and all that.
Other clubs have similar threads and lately the Carlton discussion has lifted not always for the right reasons but at least it is there now.
This is a good start. :D
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-06/im-going-nowhere-gibbs
He said he hadn't thought at all about leaving Carlton despite his position as a restricted free agent, but negotiations took time.
"If it could be done tomorrow it would be done tomorrow," Gibbs said. "I'm settled in Melbourne. I've been here eight years."
However, Gibbs said he did not know if other clubs had approached his management, and that he didn't want to know if they had because he was focused on playing good football for Carlton.
Think the Club hold all the cards in this Gibbs situation. They can potentially offer a low deal, and if he goes receive a priority pick to go with their first rounder in a draft that is very strong in terms of KPP stocks.
Much like the Dees with Frawley, losing Gibbs could be what is best for the club. It might cause short term pain but be a long term move. Honestly I would love to see Bryce stay, but it depends on how much he is asking. This is one of those situations where he is playing better then a certain other player on our list, he sees how much he is getting paid per season, thinks well hey, if I am smashing his performances each week I am obviously worth as much if not more when neither of them deserve to be on that much coin. This is where Geelong/Hawthorn manage their lists better then any other side in the comp. They try and get their best players to play for less so they can keep the core together, if someone doesn't want to abide by that they let them walk (Buddy) and in the Hawks case again pick up someone of need at a much cheaper rate (Big Boy). It helps when you do have success to attract these players and it is obviously an environment where players will take less cash as they know they are in contention for a premiership, but if you want to build the club in the right way you can't just piss money up against the wall by signing guys to megastar deals when they are not worth it.
I very much agree with Ric here.
Yeah agree with Mat and Ric. I don't want Gibbs to leave but I want what's best for the club too.
The Daisy point is fair, it's ridiculous how his playing right now for 700k a year but hopefully he picks up soon.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-11/judd-eyes-round-10
CARLTON great Chris Judd could be back on the park as soon as the Blues' round 10 clash with Adelaide at the MCG.
Awesome! :D
But lets make sure he is ready this time and not flower this up again.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-12/bad-break-for-blue-cripps
CARLTON young gun Patrick Cripps could be sidelined for up to a month after suffering a fractured fibula in the VFL on Saturday.
:-\
Just what you boys needed. More injuries to midfielders
I know man, far out.
Curnow
Carrazzo
Bell
Judd
Cripps
Kreuzer
Waite
Curnow & Carrots both being out hurts.
Plus Ellard having a sore calf as well
Yep flowering fantastic haha.
He will probably be the sub though.
Hope Jamo can do well on NRoo. Would go a long way in winning tonight. I'm not confident at all on this one.
Didn't Bell play last week despite his broken hand or whatever?
Will be an interesting game tonight.
Quote from: Toga on May 12, 2014, 05:23:19 PM
Didn't Bell play last week despite his broken hand or whatever?
Will be an interesting game tonight.
Yeah, he wasn't due back for a fortnight and was wearing a glove to protect his finger. He didn't look right for 2 and a half quarters, the jab probably kicked in late but it was beyond stupid even playing him
Quote from: Vinny on May 12, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
Curnow & Carrots both being out hurts.
Cachia is actually a really good tagger but he butchers the ball. I think he might be coming into the side soon
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 12, 2014, 07:25:08 PM
Quote from: Vinny on May 12, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
Curnow & Carrots both being out hurts.
Cachia is actually a really good tagger but he butchers the ball. I think he might be coming into the side soon
Yeah I've heard and seen, didn't actually think about that possibility.
Mitch Robinson offered a week (killer right cross)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-13/blue-offered-oneweek-ban.mobileapp?_ga=1.176874341.1147924449.1388723011...
Jamison commits for three more
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-05-15/jamison-commits-for-three-more
Bad Robbo, good Jamo.
Quote from: Ricochet on May 15, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
Jamison commits for three more
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-05-15/jamison-commits-for-three-more
Fantastic news.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-05-21/judds-return-delayed
Veteran midfielder Chris Judd's return from a hamstring injury might be delayed by a week, but Carlton coach Mick Malthouse says there's no reason for concern.
Judd will not play on Sunday against Adelaide and the Blues remain uncertain if he will be available for selection the following week against the Brisbane Lions.
One week later, VFL is a possibility, as long as he comes back all good and worry free, I'll be happy. :)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bryce-gibbs-to-resign-with-carlton-for-up-to-five-years-20140521-zrjw8.html
Bryce Gibbs to re-sign with Carlton for up to five years
Bryce Gibbs and Carlton have committed to one another, with the free agent midfielder to sign a long-term contract of either four or five seasons. They are in the final throes of agreeing a contract, with the only question being whether the term is for four years, which the club is happy to give, or five.
Carlton's view is a fifth year should be more conditional, or involve a little less money.
Gibbs is expected to receive only a small raise on what he is currently paid, with an annual wage in the $550,000 to $600,000 range, with potential to earn slightly more depending on how he performs.
Keeping Gibbs at 550k a year for 5 years?!
I'll be stoked with that! :D Glad he isn't asking for 700k+
550K is brilliant to keep Gibbs.
That's a steal if correct.
I just booked my ticket for the game tomorrow. I am breaking the ban to go for Scotty's lap of honor. I miss having my membership when looking at the ticket prices (http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png)
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
I just booked my ticket for the game tomorrow. I am breaking the ban to go for Scotty's lap of honor. I miss having my membership when looking at the ticket prices (http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png)
Haha explain the ban.
Quote from: Vinny on May 24, 2014, 03:19:25 PM
Haha explain the ban.
I haven't been to a game since Ratten was sacked/Malthouse was named coach. I'll get my membership again when Malthouse is no longer the coach. The only exceptions are retirement games/laps of honour for Waite, Judd and Carrots.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2014, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: Vinny on May 24, 2014, 03:19:25 PM
Haha explain the ban.
I haven't been to a game since Ratten was sacked/Malthouse was named coach. I'll get my membership again when Malthouse is no longer the coach. The only exceptions are retirement games/laps of honour for Waite, Judd and Carrots.
Hahaha extreme but Mick is a flowerwit.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2014, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: Vinny on May 24, 2014, 03:19:25 PM
Haha explain the ban.
I haven't been to a game since Ratten was sacked/Malthouse was named coach. I'll get my membership again when Malthouse is no longer the coach. The only exceptions are retirement games/laps of honour for Waite, Judd and Carrots.
Haha wow. Thats huge. Even if he turns you into a top 4 team?
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2014, 01:45:38 PM
Haha wow. Thats huge. Even if he turns you into a top 4 team?
Yup. Top 4 or not, I just disagreed with how the club handled the whole situation and don't feel right buying a membership knowing he is coach. I have gone over the reasons I didn't agree a couple of times in various threads.
In Pagan's last year a lot of our members didn't buy memberships in protest of him being coach after the whole Barry Mitchell fiasco. I know quite a few people that when they called to renew their memberships they said when the coach is sacked and hung up. the difference between Carlton now and then is we had no money. Pratt wasn't the president yet and we were struggling both on and off the field. They couldn't afford to let Pagan go because they didn't have the money. I didn't exactly agree with their methods back then but I can see why they did it. Considering we are not on the verge of folding I am happy to protest with my money, it probably doesn't mean a hell of a lot in the grand scheme of things, but oh well.
I am about to go to the game, I am getting there when the gates open at 2.30 so I don't miss the lap of honour. The club has a tendency of scheduling this things rather early, so I am not taking any risks in missing it. I remember there was one game we did one of these a few years back, I turned up an hour early to find that they had done it 30 minutes prior. With the 150th celebrations who knows when they plan on doing it.
What if randomly Malthouse is given a 4 year extension at the end of his contract? :P
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 25, 2014, 02:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2014, 01:45:38 PM
Haha wow. Thats huge. Even if he turns you into a top 4 team?
Yup. Top 4 or not, I just disagreed with how the club handled the whole situation and don't feel right buying a membership knowing he is coach. I have gone over the reasons I didn't agree a couple of times in various threads.
In Pagan's last year a lot of our members didn't buy memberships in protest of him being coach after the whole Barry Mitchell fiasco. I know quite a few people that when they called to renew their memberships they said when the coach is sacked and hung up. the difference between Carlton now and then is we had no money. Pratt wasn't the president yet and we were struggling both on and off the field. They couldn't afford to let Pagan go because they didn't have the money. I didn't exactly agree with their methods back then but I can see why they did it. Considering we are not on the verge of folding I am happy to protest with my money, it probably doesn't mean a hell of a lot in the grand scheme of things, but oh well.
I am about to go to the game, I am getting there when the gates open at 2.30 so I don't miss the lap of honour. The club has a tendency of scheduling this things rather early, so I am not taking any risks in missing it. I remember there was one game we did one of these a few years back, I turned up an hour early to find that they had done it 30 minutes prior. With the 150th celebrations who knows when they plan on doing it.
Fair enough mate. Very extreme but admire your passion/stance
Happy with that win, got close in the end but we pulled through. Betts doing so well was sad to watch but good for him.
-Menzel is a gun when on fire.
-Yarran is one of the most exciting players to watch when on song, needs to find his consistency and then BANG.
-Reasonably happy with the way Murphy handled Kerridge, was quiet in the last but 25 touches is alright.
-I love the way Everitt has played for us so far this year.
-SIMPSON IS A MACHINE.
How was the game Mat?
Mat was arrested after assaulting Mick :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 25, 2014, 09:39:42 PM
Mat was arrested after assaulting Mick :P
Hahahaha, I actually laughed aloud a little then. ;D
Heath Scotland received a well deserved standing ovation during his lap of honour. He has been a star of the club when we were on our knees and continued to perform when we were pushing for finals. It is going to be sad to not be able to watch him pull on the Navy Blue jumper again.
The game itself, terrible game to watch. The boundary line shower has to end. You can see that Adelaide structure up a lot better compared to Carlton. Carlton in the first quarter were bringing all their players to one side of the ground, so the get out kick was either going to be a turn over or a contested ground level ball. They don't space and that is because they were expecting it boundary side. Even when they tried to switch it, there was one player in the defensive 50 to switch too, but everyone was on the opposite end of the ground so they had no options and were forced to go back to the original side they switched the play from. Adelaide were lining Pods up on one wing, JJ on the other, Betts at the feet of one and Cameron at the the other, Tex would sit at the base of the square and it allowed enough room for them to win the ball and bring it back inside to dangerous territory. They changed their ball movement in the second quarter when they got on top and looked in bounds and giving the ball to their runners. They also go into their shells way to early in quarters.
Murphy looked really impressive. He was powering away from Kerridge and was losing him in traffic with his running ability. He was not around the ball as much in the last but he looked brilliant the first 3 quarters. When Murphy was at his best a couple years ago he had a combination of an inside and outside game. He had a zip where he could just burn taggers off. While Kerridge had him for leg pace a couple of times Murph was finding ways to power into space.
The talls were woeful, Waite was the only one clunking them but couldn't kick at all. White played really well on Tex. Tex got caught crying for frees a few times while White attacked the ball, it is the best I have seen him play since 2011. Menzel was extremely dangerous, Yaz is a freak, he is easily one of our top 3 most important players. The way he breaks the lines and his ball use is just crazy. It is good to see him up the ground because that is where he is most dangerous. Betts playing for the Crows almost makes me want to cry. I am not sure what Danger was thinking at the end when he took the mark and played on, but I am very grateful, if Adelaide kick straight they win. We were really lucky to escape with the 4 points.
Haha fair enough would have been nice to be there for the lap honour. Yeah like I said Betts doing well hurts, loved him. Murphy is a beast, his 76 SC is annoying fantasy wise but he is getting closer and closer to his best. As scrappy as the fake was and as terrible as the kicking was early on, I'm just stoked with 4 points. We really need to beat Brisbane next week.
Since you brought it up, who would you rank our Top 3 most important players as?
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 10:11:02 PM
Haha fair enough would have been nice to be there for the lap honour. Yeah like I said Betts doing well hurts, loved him. Murphy is a beast, his 76 SC is annoying fantasy wise but he is getting closer and closer to his best. As scrappy as the fake was and as terrible as the kicking was early on, I'm just stoked with 4 points. We really need to beat Brisbane next week.
Since you brought it up, who would you rank our Top 3 most important players as?
When I saw his score I was really surprised. His vision was superb and his ball use looked really good most of the time.
Waite, Yaz and Hendo are the 3 most important guys. Waite is still so critical to the Carlton set up. His marking and athleticism just breaks up the play and causes so many headaches in terms of match-ups. Hendo can play both back and forward and is also really critical to the way the team sets up. He has slowed down and looks a bit out of form as a forward, it might be time to send him back but White, Rowe and Jamo have been really solid. I think we are seeing the effects of him tiring out.
Obviously you have the guys in the midfield, but I don't think guys like Simmo, Murph and Gibbs are irreplaceable. It would hurt if we were missing those guys, but I think other 3 are much more valuable.
Interesting man. I agree with the midfielders, they aren't the irreplaceable but I'd cry if we lost any one of them, haha.
I would say:
1) Henderson
2) Jamison
3) Yarran/Waite
Henderson for reasons you said, his ability for him to play up forward and in defence is great for us but it says something. He was reasonably good at the start of the year but recently been average, he shouldn't be far from some good.
I can't emphasise how much I love watching Yarran, it's just so exciting whenever he starts running or even has the ball.
Oh my flowering god, Levi. Needs to get his kicking right, has such good hands. It's just so frustrating because he could be so good if he kicked straight. Kicked 4.6 so far this season, it will take time but it needs to improve.
1. Simmo
2. Simmo
3. Simmo
Also, Levi should have been dropped weeks ago.
Levi is our Cloke but paid less. Good mark, can't kick for ish
Quote from: Master Q on May 25, 2014, 10:56:12 PM
1. Simmo
2. Simmo
3. Simmo
And in regards to this I have said I thought he should have been captain ahead of Murphy
I actually went back and had a look at the captain thread and found these :P
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 10, 2012, 06:25:45 PM
Kade Simpson
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 10, 2012, 10:29:50 PM
Kade Simpson will be 29 next year. Back in 07 when the club dropped Whitnall for that period and had a rotating captaincy policy since Nick Stevens was injured, the club picked 5 players to rotate the captaincy through. Jarrad Waite was first up and the week after it was Simpsons turn. He did such a good job as the captain at that point they scrapped the rotation policy and just gave it to him. His form on the field was fantastic with the added responsibility. I think he should be given the job over the next couple of years. He is a natural born leader and I think he will benefit on the field from the appointment as well.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 22, 2013, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 22, 2013, 01:50:46 PM
"Carlton defender Nick Duigan has jumped to the front of the line as the potential captain of the Blues. Duigan will lead the Blues this weekend in their double header against the Swans and Giants.
- AFL.com.au'
:o
When I heard he was in the leadership group I said this
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on February 22, 2013, 03:19:00 PM
Nick Maxwell v2
However when the leadership group was announced they said that both Duigan and Waite were not putting their hands up for captain and it was a 3 way race.
As a Carlton supporter, I still say Kade Simpson should have been the captain after Judd and would have been the captain had they not got him at the end of 2007.
He may have not got the job, but he is one of our most important players and has a huge impact with his leadership on the field. Just look at the hits he took today, he gets crunched, gets up and goes again and again.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 25, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
Levi is our Cloke but paid less. Good mark, can't kick for ish
That's the key, now if he wants more money eventually he has to turn into a good player.
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
Happy with that win, got close in the end but we pulled through. Betts doing so well was sad to watch but good for him.
-Menzel is a gun when on fire.
-Yarran is one of the most exciting players to watch when on song, needs to find his consistency and then BANG.
-Reasonably happy with the way Murphy handled Kerridge, was quiet in the last but 25 touches is alright.
-I love the way Everitt has played for us so far this year.
-SIMPSON IS A MACHINE.
How was the game Mat?
Have to agree with all of the vinny, but would also like to add that I'm liking what I see out of Docherty and Sam Rowe down back.
Daisy's best game for the blues by far, if only he could kick those goals. That's now 4 from 5. If it was not for the Melbourne loss. Hopefully carrots and Judd back this week.
A question for you Blue supporters Daisy had a much better game this week did he play a different role or just hit a bit of form got him in my team and was going to flick him this week but now undecided , do you think he is starting to hit his straps I know his fitness was down and in a new team just wanting to get some of your thoughts cheers ;)
No one went near him all game, it is like he had herpes or something, he sat on his own for 90% of the game. His DE% was higher then most because 99% of his kicks went 15 meters, he kicked a goal which he probably received extra points for since it was late in a close game. He did a couple of good things late but that would also contribute to a higher score being a close game.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 26, 2014, 02:35:14 PM
No one went near him all game, it is like he had herpes or something, he sat on his own for 90% of the game. His DE% was higher then most because 99% of his kicks went 15 meters, he kicked a goal which he probably received extra points for since it was late in a close game. He did a couple of good things late but that would also contribute to a higher score being a close game.
If I read what you said his good score is more to do with the lack of attention and pressure on him and some extra points it being a close finish , interesting and thanks for your feedback .
Yeah I would still trade him man. He looked better on the weekend but cannot see him doing it consistently, you would be better off bringing in a super premium, especially considering it's nearing the time of the season where teams are almost complete.
Also, yeah Blue, agree with Docherty, I really like the look of him. Rowe has been very solid and is going under the radar a little bit aswell.
Juddy, Carrots would be good and hoping Curnow isn't far off either, think he is very important to us.
Quote from: Vinny on May 26, 2014, 05:24:12 PM
Yeah I would still trade him man. He looked better on the weekend but cannot see him doing it consistently, you would be better off bringing in a super premium, especially considering it's nearing the time of the season where teams are almost complete.
Also, yeah Blue, agree with Docherty, I really like the look of him. Rowe has been very solid and is going under the radar a little bit aswell.
Juddy, Carrots would be good and hoping Curnow isn't far off either, think he is very important to us.
Cheers Vinny it's unanimous he's out ;)
I just went into the Dees discussion and Purple brought up a potential father son selection, that got me thinking of one for us in the very near future. Jack Silvagni is going to be 18 in a couple of years, one of the main reasons Carlton has been trying to get back on good terms with SOS is because they have had their eye on him for a while. SOS had been fairly hesitant in coming back, but it is a good sign that he will be at the 150 year celebration dinner.
We also have a couple of other names that will be eligible in the next couple of years. The sons of both Dean Rice and Craig Bradley will also be eligible but the one that looks to have gotten away is Reece McKenzie whose dad Warren only played 67 games.
Swan gone
Yep!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-chief-executive-greg-swann-to-step-down-at-of-june-could-join-ailing-brisbane-lions/story-fni5f5nx-1226934618200
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann to step down at of June; could join ailing Brisbane Lions.
Hey guys, can you like um stop destroying people's DT scores? That'd be really cool k thanks.
Quote from: elephants on May 28, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
Hey guys, can you like um stop destroying people's DT scores? That'd be really cool k thanks.
Never! >:D
Quote from: elephants on May 28, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
Hey guys, can you like um stop destroying people's DT scores? That'd be really cool k thanks.
Carrots and Curnow should be back in the next couple of weeks, expect those poor scores to get worse.
Not really relevant to Carlton, but the AFL anti doping board dismissed ASADA's appeal on former Northern Bullants and St. Kilda footballer Ahmed Saad's 18 month suspension. ASADA wanted to extend the ban, but Saad is now free to be drafted at the end of this season and resume training in January next year with his new club in hopes of playing again. I really liked Saad when he was with the Bullants, I think Carlton should look at giving him a shot although I think the Saints will likely redraft him. He would give us another small forward option along with Jeff and Menzel.
I can't imagine him going to Carlton but interesting.
So Juddy might play VFL, his second game in the 2s for his career! First time was in his debut year.
9 goals, 85 touches, 15 tackles giving him the greatest individual performance in the VFL? I think so. 8)
Quote from: Vinny on May 28, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
So Juddy might play VFL, his second game in the 2s for his career! First time was in his debut year.
9 goals, 85 touches, 15 tackles giving him the greatest individual performance in the VFL? I think so. 8)
Pfft, Spuddy is past it buddy ;) He'd be lucky to pick up those numbers all up for the rest of his career!
Haha think what you want Ele. The man still has at least a season and a half left at least where he will dominate and win another brownlow aswell. :P
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 28, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
Carrots and Curnow should be back in the next couple of weeks, expect those poor scores to get worse.
Making me think about holding off on getting Selwood - How quickly will Carrots regain form? He held Joel to 74 sc points last season?
Carrots will likely play as more of an offensive/clearance player, but if we are in trouble he can go and do a job. The one I would really worry about is Curnow, he has been very underrated and does the job week in week out for the last 12 months. Luckily for Selwood he won't be back next week, but I see Everitt going with either him or Stevie J
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 28, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
Carrots and Curnow should be back in the next couple of weeks, expect those poor scores to get worse.
Pfft, Rocky cannot be contained!
Curnow would have done better but yeah Rocky is a jet.
Was travelling a long nicely but wasn't going crazy for the first three quarters but he had a stack of tackles.
Then at 3QT: BANG!
Mathouse had his press conference this morning and found what he said to be very true. Especially the comment about playing kids and liked the confidence portrayed in not giving up with the finals fight.
"It's a blow, not a knockout punch (the loss to Brisbane)."
"I'm not here to hand out games. We are two games out of the 8. There will be no white flag here."
"Whoever says you play all the kids and drop senior players has never coached."
"so far so good with Juddy. We'll have to see how he pulls up after training today."
"I'm disappointed for Josh."
"why would there be any talk about extending my contract? I'm 17 months through a 36 month deal."
"Geelong are certainly not a 110-point worse team than Sydney."
"We know what's a stake this week."
Yeah exactly, we are struggling but we aren't exactly done. Giving up is stupid, especially considering our situation, two games off the eight and won 4 of our last 6. The draw is tough from here but hopefully we can be competitive and if we are lucky maybe pull of an upset.
Judd to play in the VFL this weekend. Northern Blues are playing at Visy at 2pm according to the fixture. It should be a good game to get down and watch, all the boys generally turn up when a senior player is playing and having played the night before expect to see 99% of the list there.
Is it on ABC or something man?
I had a look earlier and it doesn't look like. With Judd playing the VFL might find a way to put it to air, so keep an eye on it
Haha so he's never played in the VFL and his last (and only) WAFL game resulted in 30 possessions and 5 goals from midfield (as and 18 y.o).
This will be good :P
So are we thinking 60 and 10?
Mick will be happy with only 4 touches... if he gets through unscathed :P
Quote from: Ricochet on June 05, 2014, 11:30:02 PM
Mick will be happy with only 4 touches... if he gets through unscathed :P
Do we reckon he can get that many before his hammy goes ping after 3 mins again? :o
I kid, Juddy's a champ. Really hoping he makes it through the game, however much he plays of it.
I am going with my Dad, Visy has a top notch surface and being our home ground I can see why you would play him in the VFL this week.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 06, 2014, 12:31:25 AM
I am going with my Dad, Visy has a top notch surface and being our home ground I can see why you would play him in the VFL this week.
hope ya hava ripper day mate n the champ racks up 8)
Fk that was a heartbreaker :-X
Yeah that hurts really bad. :'(
I'm glad we played well though.
Gibbs is a superstar, had an awesome game tonight. Cannot stress how happy I am with the speculated 500k deal, especially if it proves to be true. Waite is useless, like I'm legimtatley sick of him, drop him. Has brain fades and we haven't seen him do shower in ages. Yarran went hard, if he can get fitter, he can be such a weapon. Man, wish we moved Jamo to Hawkins early. Really like Dochery, that mistake at the end was costly but can't do much about that.
Oh well. Media will probably smash us but we shouldn't be smashed based on this performance. As a season, if hasn't been very good. But there have been some great games, then some not so good games.
doubt you will cop anything from the media Vinnamon
one thing for sure you need to use your first pick on a tall forward and or trade for one
Geez, that Gibbs bloke goes alright!
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 06, 2014, 07:36:25 PM
hope ya hava ripper day mate n the champ racks up 8)
It should be good hopefully. I love going to that ground so it will be nice to see Juddy running around. Dad is normally working all the time and he has Saturday off so I asked if he wanted to come with me. He seems pretty excited as well to go and watch a game. I think the last game we went to together was the VFL in Preston last year when Waite made his return from injury.
And Bryce Gibbs you wonderful human being. I am glad to see him play well
Looks like both Brisbane and Carlton will be looking or trading for a tall forward at end of season. maybe brisbane will get the pick before you hopefully there are 2 I like but I think Goddard will go before either of us get a pick.
Gibbs is a machine and you guys should pay him every cent. Needs a different hair cut though but maybe that explains the form of late.
Yeah both really need one, to be honest I haven't had a look at the possible draftees for next year or even the mock draft. But I've heard that there is plenty of KPPs in this draft so we will see.
Hahaha I didn't like the haircut at first and prefer his old one but this one is growing on me.
Quote from: Ringo on June 07, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
Looks like both Brisbane and Carlton will be looking or trading for a tall forward at end of season. maybe brisbane will get the pick before you hopefully there are 2 I like but I think Goddard will go before either of us get a pick.
Gibbs is a machine and you guys should pay him every cent. Needs a different hair cut though but maybe that explains the form of late.
What pick are you expecting Brisbane to have Ringo?
Carlton should throw everything at Patton
Quote from: Toga on June 07, 2014, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: Ringo on June 07, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
Looks like both Brisbane and Carlton will be looking or trading for a tall forward at end of season. maybe brisbane will get the pick before you hopefully there are 2 I like but I think Goddard will go before either of us get a pick.
Gibbs is a machine and you guys should pay him every cent. Needs a different hair cut though but maybe that explains the form of late.
What pick are you expecting Brisbane to have Ringo?
hoping think 4 or 5 myself but honestly think Goddard will go 1 or 2.
My mate is also at the VFL match right now... just texted me saying Buckley might have injured his hand. Hopefully he's all good.
Yeah he looked like he screwed his arm up pretty badly, was walking off the ground with his arm in his jumper like a sling. He eventually came back on with heavy strapping on his hand and got a bit of the ball. He might miss some time though as he was hesitant in using it.
Judd is a star, his clearance work is ridiculous
How was he? I heard he looked a bit "out of it".
Do you any stats or any rough stats at all Matt?
Quote from: Master Q on June 07, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
How was he? I heard he looked a bit "out of it".
As in Judd?
Quote from: Vinny on June 07, 2014, 05:34:16 PM
Do you any stats or any rough stats at all Matt?
Looking at the game Cachia and Graham racked it up, their disposal is still iffy but they find the pill. I think the Northern Blues twitter puts up stats, I will have a look
I just remembered something as well, a few years back when Judd was suspended at the start of the season he was actually eligible to play in a VFL practice match round 1 of the AFL season and did, so this was technically Judd's first VFL match for points but not his first VFL match ever.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpgmsP9CAAEn2Da.jpg:large)
Judd's Gatorade shower with Jordan Perry who also played his first game. Jordan had pretty clean disposal for a first gamer which was good to see, I had no idea he was even playing today but we played at the same junior club and I have known him since he was a kid even though I haven't seen him in a while. It would be pretty cool to play your first VFL game alongside Juddy, even if you are a Collingwood supporter :P It will be interesting to see if he does enough to get drafted, but having first eyes on him playing with the reserves side gives us an edge if he is in fact good enough
DISPOSALS: Cachia 33, Graham 32, Cattapan 29, Lucas 25, Watson 20, Buckley 19
GOALS: Wilson 2, Thomas 2, Graham 2, Johnson, Reynolds, Wilkinson, Temay, Cachia
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 07, 2014, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Master Q on June 07, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
How was he? I heard he looked a bit "out of it".
As in Judd?
Quote from: Vinny on June 07, 2014, 05:34:16 PM
Do you any stats or any rough stats at all Matt?
Looking at the game Cachia and Graham racked it up, their disposal is still iffy but they find the pill. I think the Northern Blues twitter puts up stats, I will have a look
Yeah Judd. Some fans are calling for one of those two to come in for Carrots.
So how was Judd!? :P
They just said on fox he got 18 touches 10 contested and 3 clearances
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 07, 2014, 06:15:08 PM
They just said on fox he got 18 touches 10 contested and 3 clearances
Cheers KB
Should be good to go for next week then
Yep good to see he got through alright. Thanks guys. :)
Quote from: Master Q on June 07, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
Yeah Judd. Some fans are calling for one of those two to come in for Carrots.
So how was Judd!? :P
The highlight of my day was seeing Judd pick up a ball, break through two tackles and then delivering inside 50 to a team mate.
I also found these
#JuddWatch: 16 disposals, 10 contested, 8 hard ball gets, 4 handball receives, 2 clearances. #PJVFL
Sean Peter-Budge @SeanPeterBudge
So I just realised the copy paste glitch cut out half my post ::)
Basically a lot of posts pumping up Judd and Grahams ridiculous stat line.
Also Grahm/Cachia will be decent replacements for Judd/Brock/Carrots when they retire. Not sure why Carrots would be out though, he was brilliant on Stevie J and his leadership is invaluable.
I don't have an account on BigFooty but every now and then I go take a look at the Carlton board.
Lots of talk about wanting Dylan Shiel and potentially offering a first rounder.
Who would you guys expect us to target in the off-season? Plus who would the Carlton guys on here want?
Whoever the best available player is draft wise.
I dont think we should throw too much money at a guy like Patton, he is "potential" atm not output.
What we should do is hava fund raiser then throw the proceeds at "The Chief" to work with Casboult's set shot.
getting Shiel would be stupid you guys need to trade your first pick for a tall forward or draft one
There was a rumour last year that Shiels was close to returning to Melbourne for one reason or another and from memory Richmond was interested but I can't remember the details.. But yeah there's a chance guys like him will be open to returning to Victoria so definitely worth looking at! Although I agree with KB a tall forward should be higher on your agenda.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 08, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
getting Shiel would be stupid you guys need to trade your first pick for a tall forward or draft one
They also need to look to re-build their midfield with Carrots and Judd near the end
Quote from: Vinny on June 08, 2014, 10:29:32 AM
I don't have an account on BigFooty but every now and then I go take a look at the Carlton board.
Lots of talk about wanting Dylan Shiel and potentially offering a first rounder.
Who would you guys expect us to target in the off-season? Plus who would the Carlton guys on here want?
I don't have an account either but I am sure 99% of them are huffing glue. Most of what they talk about is complete crap and they are so one eyed it is ridiculous. I would get banned within my first 10 posts
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 08, 2014, 11:21:55 AM
Whoever the best available player is draft wise.
I dont think we should throw too much money at a guy like Patton, he is "potential" atm not output.
What we should do is hava fund raiser then throw the proceeds at "The Chief" to work with Casboult's set shot.
I wouldn't do the trade of Patton for our first round pick just because he has had so many knee issues. I doubt the Giants would take our 2nd and a player for him but if it is true that Cameron won't resign and would want to come to Victoria I have no issues sending whatever it takes to get that trade done. Obviously a couple of guys are off limits (Hendo to name one), but I would be tempted to send over Kreuz and our first for Cameron and their 3rd.
Bring in BT, he worked with Fev on his set shot and it is amazing how good he is at teaching players how to kick at goal properly
Quote from: Ricochet on June 08, 2014, 01:53:08 PM
They also need to look to re-build their midfield with Carrots and Judd near the end
We have a few similar players in our reserves that can come in, Bell, Graham and Cachia are all inside guys, Cachia is a pretty good tagger but Curnow will be Carlton's tagger of the future. Obviously none are the quality of Judd or Carrots, but they should be handy in the future. I would rather stock up on key position guys this year in what is supposed to be a deep draft and then pick up midfielders in the next two as they don't take as much time to develop.
Yeah you need a tall develop to start developing now you can always pick up AFL ready mids a bit later in the draft if your smart
Plus the big guys take a bit longer to develop, unless you can get one that has been in the system for a few years which I doubt, you need to take one this year and give them time to develop
Yeah thought so, there was talk about trying to get Wines, most of them are delusional.
I actually would not mind Patton, he is potential but so is any other draftee that we would take with our pick.
Kreuzer could be very powerful trade bait but it does not leave us with much if we had to rely on Warnock if he went down. Just Cam Wood then a couple forwards that could pinch is risky.
Lucas should go. I'm curious to see what type of interest Waite would get it. I think he is past it, he is getting too old so maybe a year elsewhere could do him good. Might just be me being frustrated with him but I don't know.
I do not think our midfield is completely done either.
Gibbs and Murphy are still improving. Simpson IMO can go for 3 more years at least. Cachia, Graham, Bell, Cripps could all be solid. We need another gun though to replace Juddy. But yeah KPP first seems important. Especially with Waite being done and Levi not being able to kick to save his life.
Quote from: Vinny on June 08, 2014, 04:10:16 PM
Kreuzer could be very powerful trade bait but it does not leave us with much if we had to rely on Warnock if he went down. Just Cam Wood then a couple forwards that could pinch is risky.
You could always draft or sign someone else. Krooz has been on the trade table for a while.
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I'm curious to see what type of interest Waite would get it. I think he is past it, he is getting too old so maybe a year elsewhere could do him good. Might just be me being frustrated with him but I don't know.
Waite is worthless and will finish his career with us.
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I do not think our midfield is completely done either.
Gibbs and Murphy are still improving. Simpson IMO can go for 3 more years at least. Cachia, Graham, Bell, Cripps could all be solid. We need another gun though to replace Juddy. But yeah KPP first seems important. Especially with Waite being done and Levi not being able to kick to save his life.
Completely agree - forgot to mention Buckley and Curnow! And while Menzel has been great up front he could be a MID in the future.
Yeah I'd like to see Waite dropped again, if he cannot lift after that, that's gotta be it.
Yep whoops, forgot about Curnow the beast and I like Buckley. Would be nice to see Yaz build a tank to have some more run through the middle but don't want that to screw him over either.
Patton is ours Carlton >:D
If we do get him he'll probably play 2 mediocre years with us and then go home homesick :-[
Ooh, ooh, Swans will happily take Kreuz :D
Give us Jack :P
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 09, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
Give us Jack :P
#brandonjackforkreuz
#goodcallblues
#theswansdontneedanotherfloweringtall
Quote from: Ziplock on June 09, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 09, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
Give us Jack :P
#brandonjackforkreuz
#goodcallblues
#theswansdontneedanotherfloweringtall
Nah, just a specialist ruck. We'll chuck Pyke up fwd, Goodesy will retire, Reid will be an AA backman, all will be good :)
Haha, KJack, pls. BJack, even then, you're pushing it :P
Omfg I would love to have KJack at Carlton. If only. :'(
JPK, Parker or Tippett wouldn't look too bad in Navy either. ;)
Pfft, Kieren Jack or you get nothing.
While I'm pretty sure you're kidding about Jack, he's from NSW anyway so he won't leave :P
Carlton are really hard to read when it comes to what they need compared to other clubs.
Obviously a tall forward is crucial, but at time you feel like the midfield and defence both need an extra player or two as well.
I don't know about the Free Agents this year, but Patton looks set to have several knee and foot injuries
The only way Kreuz is put on the trade table is if it nets us a key forward. It would be nice if Warnock had trade value because he is another one they could look at shipping out instead. The GWS/Suns are the clubs to look at, both have young key position stocks which have already had development time put into them. They are more likely to make an immediate impact since they big guys take longer to develop. Hendo will be our FF of the future, Levi will be the 3rd tall/resting ruck and we just need someone to put into the forward 50 with them. Rowe has developed well down back, if the Head or McInnes can get some form they could form a good trio of tall defenders with Jamo. Carlton are lacking a small defender that is lockdown. Tuohy has gone backwards, Yaz plays more as a utility but we need him for his rebounding, same with Buckley. If we can get someone in a Nick Smith style that just shuts guys down and nothing more that would be a big addition. They have stocked up on young mids as well so they are sort of ok there, no game breakers but it depends on how you go about rebuilding. I would still like KPP's this year and then mids next year since it doesn't take as long for them to develop.
Cameron is the guy that intrigues me, if he wants to come to Victoria you throw everything at him, but like dickheads they signed Daisy to 700k and stuffed themselves in terms of being able to throw cash at him
i don't think it's that hard to find a Steven Morris or Baguley type a bit more mature for a lock down in defense role just have to look around
Well Tuohy was sort of that guy but has been in horrid form for the majority of the season. He looks pretty slow, but he was a guy that could do a lockdown role while also having a really nice kicking action for an Irish bloke
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-06-10/demons-are-closer-to-a-flag-than-carlton
Demons are closer to a flag than Carlton
Lyon and Barrett say Dees youngsters have them more advanced than Blues.
flower off.
Yeah I disagree. I think they're the same along with every other club outside the top 4 that isn't Gold Coast
Yep agreed, a lot of the clubs seem to be overrating where they are at.
Like Carlton have been shower, but we should have beat Geelong on the weekend.
Dees have lifted but no way.
Yeah I think next 2 years will be won by Hawks/Swans/Freo/Port
Then after that think the Suns are a chance at 2 in a row
Then probably GWS
Then who knows after that. Lions could be up there :)
I agree, Swan, Freo & Port will dominate for a while.
Hawks will be strong for two more years I think.
Suns are on fire, in terms of improvement. Like the way Collingwood are going about it right now too. Both teams' young talent is stepping up BIG time.
I don't rate GWS to be honest.
We both need a key forward before becoming stronger. Hope we get Patton but don't wanna give up much. Maybe when you overpay for him and he gets homesick in a couple years, we will jump on ;)
It's because the Dees have a better coach Vinny :-X
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 10, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
It's because the Dees have a better coach Vinny :-X
Haha true, one that is more open to change at least.
I'm actually tired of all the Melbourne talk. They've won 3 games FFS. They kicked 3 goals against Collingwood...
Carlton have been playing like crap but our list isn't crap. As shown by our performance on Friday... the media has jumped on the Melbourne bandwagon along with their fans who haven't been to a game in the last 10 years.
Vince, Tyson, Viney, Cross and Nathan Jones. Future premiership midfield alright!
It is also because Melbourne are conceding 40 points less a game on average compared to last year and even though they only kicked 3 they held Collingwood to 61. The media are getting behind them because they were in the same position we were at the end of 07, getting belted every week and no one turning up. We do have a better placed list, but Melbourne are looking good down the track in 4 years time compared to holy crap they are a basket case. They have gone from no light at the end of the tunnel to pushing Port and being competitive against Collingwood. You look at the expectations of both clubs, the media and a lot of Carlton supporters expected finals, at Melbourne they were thinking bottom 2. Rightly or wrongly, the media will be on our back about our performances, but the Melbourne coaching staff deserve a lot of credit for doing what they have done. Guys like Vince, Cross, Pederson, Jetta, Dunn and Bail who's careers looked dead or heading that way (might be harsh on Bernie) have had really good seasons and are starting to get the best out of themselves. Jones has stepped up, Tyson has been really good for the majority of the season and they still haven't had their prized recruit in Hogan play a game yet.
Back to Carlton, I am hoping Curnow can play VFL this weekend, he was a test last week but he didn't play. I am also curious to see if Buckley is listed on the injury report, the kid is a gun, hopefully he hasn't done any serious damage to his hand.
This might be seen as a very unpopular opinion here, but I agree with the statement that Melbourne will win a Premiership before Carlton will.
Does Carlton have a better list at the moment? Yes.
Will they in 4-5 years time? Don't think so.
Paul Roos has cut 30 points off the losing margin to a club that was considered a joke even as recent as round 3 this year. He's done that in less than half a season of football.
What has Malthouse done? Nothing really if you want to be completely cruel. He's admitted that Carlton are a long way from being serious competitors, but he's done nothing about it.
In fact, if I was going to be completely honest, going off the results this season so far Melbourne are probably at the same strength as Carlton
I just feel like Melbourne have made some short cuts. Port have some really talented young players, Wines, Wingard, the list goes on.
Viney is great. But who else? Tyson is good but I don't see him being elite. Cross has one year left I think, iirc Vince is 28. They lost Mitch Clark. Jamar is 30. Grimes has been ok this year.
What elite talent do they have coming through?
Think Tyson can be elite, not sure about Viney. He goes hard but don't think he will be a superstar.
I really rate Nathan Jones and IMO he is already elite. Has killed it consistently in a team that has been consistently terrible and he is still killing it now whilst Dees are doing well.
But yeah other than that nah.
A lot of good players start out as ordinary players though, and you don't need a team full of elite players to win a premiership (or even do well in general)
I think the argument most have put forward is that Roos has done a lot more in half a year than Malthouse has in 2 of them. Of course Mick started from a higher base but we can only go off results.
A lot of players like Pederson, Watts, Bail etc. have gone from mediocre to decent players at Melbourne, and while guys like Rowe have come in under Mick and done well, in general you can't really say the same for Carlton
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 06:51:23 PM
A lot of good players start out as ordinary players though, and you don't need a team full of elite players to win a premiership (or even do well in general)
I think the argument most have put forward is that Roos has done a lot more in half a year than Malthouse has in 2 of them. Of course Mick started from a higher base but we can only go off results.
A lot of players like Pederson, Watts, Bail etc. have gone from mediocre to decent players at Melbourne, and while guys like Rowe have come in under Mick and done well, in general you can't really say the same for Carlton
That just means that Roos is a better coach, doesn't mean they are closer to a flag (and to be honest Watts was showing signs of improvement last year).
IMO Carlton have a better group of current players and young guys.
Guys like Menzel, Bell, Buckley and Docherty have shown more than guys like Toumpas, JKH etc
edit: And I guess the same goes for Melb, but guys like Cripps, Cachia and Graham haven't had much opportunity but are showing good signs.
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 06:39:55 PM
What elite talent do they have coming through?
Just some bloke called Jesse Hogan.
Once this kid gets his body right, look out.
Tyson and Viney will be elite.
Yeah might be bias but I reckon are list is better. Sure Roos has created great improvement but that does not mean they are suddenly way better than us. If we got over the line against Geelong, we would not be having this conversation.
Docherty, Everitt, Buckley, Menzel, Bell & Yarran are all very solid players and still young.
Graham, Cripps, Cachia also young and are gunning in twos.
Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, Walker our top players that will be around for years to come.
Curnow is the second best tagger in the league behind Crowley.
Jamison and Henderson are very important especially Jamison. Henderson has been average as this year though not gonna lie.
Rowe and Casboult need work but are developing. Rowe is doing well, Levi can mark but his kicking is flowering terrible.
Very solid ruckline in Warnock & Kreuzer.
Another KPP would be nice though. I have probably missed a few.
Players struggling to find form are Tuohy, Henderson, Garlett and Waite but it'll come. Except for Waite, he is done. Delist or retire Jarrad.
You could say that is a very optimistic/bias view on things but that is how I see it.
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 07:06:29 PM
Curnow is the second best tagger in the league behind Crowley.
Ed is good, but I reckon Caffer, Kerridge and on his day Curren have been better purely as lockdown mids.
A supporter from just about every club in the league could make a similar case/assessment (not having a go).
Honestly, I don't think Curnow's the second best tagger in the league.
I reckon Picken is.
Sorry my bad third, forgot about Caff. Although I would say there is very little/nothing seperating 2 and 3.
Curnow over Kerridge and Curren easy man ;)
I'd go:
1.Crowley
2.Macaffer
3.Curnow
Quote from: elephants on June 10, 2014, 07:08:45 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 07:06:29 PM
Curnow is the second best tagger in the league behind Crowley.
Ed is good, but I reckon Caffer, Kerridge and on his day Curren have been better purely as lockdown mids.
Caffer has been No.1 this season, Crowley probably second based on class. Curnow a lot better than Kerridge and Curren though.
Quote from: NigeyS on June 10, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
A supporter from just about every club in the league could make a similar case/assessment (not having a go).
Yeah I know man, of course. Just giving my view on things. :)
Quote from: NigeyS on June 10, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
A supporter from just about every club in the league could make a similar case/assessment (not having a go).
Not really. Vinny's calls are realistic. We're comparing Melbourne and Carlton here. When at there best we are a top 8 side, and that we are far ahead of Melbourne, I think that is a fair call.
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 10, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
A supporter from just about every club in the league could make a similar case/assessment (not having a go).
Not really. Vinny's calls are realistic. We're comparing Melbourne and Carlton here. When at there best we are a top 8 side, and that we are far ahead of Melbourne, I think that is a fair call.
This discussion isn't about which team is ahead right now though. I can't see either of these teams finishing top 4 and challenging for the premiership in the next 3 years at least, so I honestly couldn't care less what Lyon and Barrett have to say on the matter
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 10, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
A supporter from just about every club in the league could make a similar case/assessment (not having a go).
Not really. Vinny's calls are realistic. We're comparing Melbourne and Carlton here. When at there best we are a top 8 side, and that we are far ahead of Melbourne, I think that is a fair call.
I was really speaking from a list analysis point of view (which kinda want Vin's was is showcasing his point).
Dave could walk in here and make a case as to why the Lions are better than both, I could make a case as to why Richmond are better, Zip could make a case as to why GWS are better. (Not saying that any of these teams are ofc)
My point was really just that the way Vinny broke things down was rather optimistic and biased (as he admitted).
Honestly though, I think both clubs are pretty even.
Well Carlton > Richmond
And if Melbourne equal Carlton. (Which I disagree with.)
Carlton = Melbourne > Richmond.
Correct Nige? :p
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
Well Carlton > Richmond
And if Melbourne equal Carlton. (Which I disagree with.)
Carlton = Melbourne > Richmond.
Correct Nige? :p
Carlton > Richmond... based on?
Didn't we beat you in Round 2?
Both teams lost to Melbourne iirc.
If anything - Melbourne > Richmond > Carlton ;) :P
You can't be serious haha. We have played bad you guys have been disgusting, only game you were any good was vs Geelong.
We are higher on the ladder. None of your players have improved this year.
Rowe, Everitt, Docherty have all turned into really solid players just to name a few.
Quote from: elephants on June 10, 2014, 07:04:35 PM
Just some bloke called Jesse Hogan.
Once this kid gets his body right, look out.
This
Quote from: NigeyS on June 10, 2014, 07:05:43 PM
Tyson and Viney will be elite.
and this
Also Salem is a classic Paul Roos player and will be really good for them as well.
They also have Chip who was an All Australian FB and is elite, McDonald has been good for them as well and will get underrated, not elite, but a pretty decent player. Colin Garland has not played much footy this year but when he is healthy he pushes into the elite category for his position, he just happened to play for a crappy team so he went unnoticed as well. You can see where their deficiencies are and they are likely to address them over the next two drafts.
Mailman hit the nail on the head when he said right now we have a better list, but 5 years down the track that might be the Dees. Our elite players are Murphy, Gibbs, Simmo, Hendo, Jamo and Carrots/Curnow (as taggers). Most of those guys will be 30 or gone in 5 years time. We have a few guys in the bracket underneath (Yaz, Jeffy, Walker, Kreuz) but both clubs need to have the young guys start to push through and live up to their potential. Where Melbourne are better placed is they have quite a few young KPP where Carlton don't. These guys might take 5 years to develop while Melbourne already have gotten a couple of pre-seasons into guys like Hogan.
5 years, I was thinking more along the lines of three years for Carlton to have a shot at the flag we do it right whilst Dees 4-5.
Quote from: elephants on June 10, 2014, 07:08:45 PM
Ed is good, but I reckon Caffer, Kerridge and on his day Curren have been better purely as lockdown mids.
People are forgetting how good Ed was last year and earlier this year before he injured himself. You could argue he is actually the best tagger in the game
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 07:27:36 PM
5 years, I was thinking more along the lines of three years for Carlton to have a shot at the flag we do it right whilst Dees 4-5.
I am pretty sure the talk was over 5, realistically it will be difficult for either to do anything in 5 years because GC/GWS will be in their peak.
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 07:27:36 PM
5 years, I was thinking more along the lines of three years for Carlton to have a shot at the flag we do it right whilst Dees 4-5.
Three years might a tad soon considering you don't have that forward everyone reckons you need imo.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 10, 2014, 07:28:58 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 07:27:36 PM
5 years, I was thinking more along the lines of three years for Carlton to have a shot at the flag we do it right whilst Dees 4-5.
I am pretty sure the talk was over 5, realistically it will be difficult for either to do anything in 5 years because GC/GWS will be in their peak.
Yeah think the Suns will be extremely hard to stop in 3 years time, and you'd think GWS should be peaking not long after that
Since this thread has had a bit of talk around taggers and I got the idea from it... shameless plug: http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,96564.0.html
Fair enough then if we can't get one in the next 4 years, I'd say we are no chance for a long time.
No Murphy, Walker, Gibbs or Simmo in 5 years probably.
That is where the Saints were smart in their recruiting strategy, they have blown the list up, but have tried to accumulate as many 10 year players as possible. Guys like Dal and Big Boy would not be part of their next premiership side so they shipped them off to try and bring in as many good young players as possible. They are looking at trying to compete with these young teams down the track by building through the draft.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 10, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
That is where the Saints were smart in their recruiting strategy, they have blown the list up, but have tried to accumulate as many 10 year players as possible. Guys like Dal and Big Boy would not be part of their next premiership side so they shipped them off to try and bring in as many good young players as possible. They are looking at trying to compete with these young teams down the track by building through the draft.
Yeah, I really admire the Saints for being so bold as to do it.
They looked at the list and realised it was time for the rebuild. They shipped off a few, got rid of some others and then also got the right man for the job in Alan Richardson.
Quote from: NigeyS on June 10, 2014, 07:17:34 PM
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 10, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
A supporter from just about every club in the league could make a similar case/assessment (not having a go).
Not really. Vinny's calls are realistic. We're comparing Melbourne and Carlton here. When at there best we are a top 8 side, and that we are far ahead of Melbourne, I think that is a fair call.
I was really speaking from a list analysis point of view (which kinda want Vin's was is showcasing his point).
Dave could walk in here and make a case as to why the Lions are better than both, I could make a case as to why Richmond are better, Zip could make a case as to why GWS are better. (Not saying that any of these teams are ofc)
My point was really just that the way Vinny broke things down was rather optimistic and biased (as he admitted).
Honestly though, I think both clubs are pretty even.
I see what you're saying, but I'm (Vinny) is not making a case as to why Carlton are better than Hawks, Freo, Geelong etc
It is Melbourne we're talking about :P
Yep haha. I have no doubt we are shower compared to most but we are better than the Dees & will be for the next 4 years IMO.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/242ilmu.jpg)
We still have a few father son selections which are going to slot very nicely into this side over the next few years.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 10, 2014, 07:56:14 PM
We still have a few father son selections which are going to slot very nicely into this side over the next few years.
Can you give any names man, I don't know of any to be honest. Never really looked into it.
Oh and trust Carlton to have 3 taggers on that list.
Plus guys like Everitt, Armfield and sometimes Tuohy. (Even though he is doing a shower job this year.)
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
Yep haha. I have no doubt we are shower compared to most but we are better than the Dees & will be for the next 4 years IMO.
Doesn't mean you're closer to a flag ;)
while its subjective to rank taggers based on whether they've "won" matchups or not, this article analyses it a lot better
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-06/the-inquirer-the-nothing-men
Puts a lot more perspective on how players do
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 27, 2014, 02:21:21 AM
I just went into the Dees discussion and Purple brought up a potential father son selection, that got me thinking of one for us in the very near future. Jack Silvagni is going to be 18 in a couple of years, one of the main reasons Carlton has been trying to get back on good terms with SOS is because they have had their eye on him for a while. SOS had been fairly hesitant in coming back, but it is a good sign that he will be at the 150 year celebration dinner.
We also have a couple of other names that will be eligible in the next couple of years. The sons of both Dean Rice and Craig Bradley will also be eligible but the one that looks to have gotten away is Reece McKenzie whose dad Warren only played 67 games.
From earlier in the thread
Bradley's son is apparently really short and skinny, he hasn't really impressed yet. We will have competition from the Saints for Bailey Rice.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
while its subjective to rank taggers based on whether they've "won" matchups or not, this article analyses it a lot better
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-06/the-inquirer-the-nothing-men
Puts a lot more perspective on how players do
They need a way bigger sample size for all players though.
Picken went to Gibbs and Murphy when Wallis was subbed and got smashed by both as well.
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
while its subjective to rank taggers based on whether they've "won" matchups or not, this article analyses it a lot better
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-06/the-inquirer-the-nothing-men
Puts a lot more perspective on how players do
They need a way bigger sample size for all players though.
If you want to take it as 100% truth sure, but it says enough about who the best taggers have been this season
tbh Crowley wouldn't even be in the top 5, way off his game so far
The graphic I/Vinny posted earlier is from last season which is why Crowley is ranked so highly.
Crowley has severely underperformed from last season though.
Picken and Macaffer are the best two this year by a far margin, and then there's a decent pack where blokes like Curnow and Crowley are included
If Curnow played, he'd be the second best if not the best IMO.
Wait until we unleash the beast this week or next. Might take a game for him to get going though.
You need to consider how long they tagged for too (doesn't say for Picken). Only 3 games too.
There's not much more that I can say other than to look at the 11 round that have been played this season
Picken has only been beaten twice so far, once when Murphy was on a roll at Mat said and once when LeCras and the Eagles steamrolled the Dogs in round 1. That is a major reason why he's so underrated because the WB never get talked about much and haven't done well since they fell away from 2010.
Lindsay Thomas, Ablett, Stanton, Betts, Nathan Jones, Zorko and Ballantyne are all pretty impressive to keep down.
With all respect to Curnow as a player, he's not that good at a stopping role.
I reckon this thread proves one thing we can all agree on.
If you feel strongly enough about something you can always prepare an argument about it. It's good though, its healthy :P
Quote from: elephants on June 10, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
I reckon this thread proves one thing we can all agree on.
If you feel strongly enough about something you can always prepare an argument about it. It's good though, its healthy :P
I am going to have to disagree. I am right and Carlton is the best in the AFL. Everyone sucks except Carlton. Levi Casboult is the best and Gary Ablett is the worst. Paul Roos is a bad coach, Mick is a good coach. We will make finals, Hawthorn will not. Safe to say who the winner of this argument is. Me.
Kidding, I agree haha.
I read the first sentence like 4 times thinking "wtf" but then read the second sentence and thought "oh haha, he's kidding" :P
Haha and he hasn't even seen the fine print yet. 8)
:P
Haha I saw it ;)
Carlton have a better list currently but it's not good enough to win a flag unless you trade for a forward if you have to draft one will set you back years
Roos is building list to win a Premiership and has the talent along with more early picks to develop this year
for Carlton it all depends what they do with there 1st pick
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
There's not much more that I can say other than to look at the 11 round that have been played this season
Picken has only been beaten twice so far, once when Murphy was on a roll at Mat said and once when LeCras and the Eagles steamrolled the Dogs in round 1. That is a major reason why he's so underrated because the WB never get talked about much and haven't done well since they fell away from 2010.
Lindsay Thomas, Ablett, Stanton, Betts, Nathan Jones, Zorko and Ballantyne are all pretty impressive to keep down.
With all respect to Curnow as a player, he's not that good at a stopping role.
Considering most of the guys you listed are forwards, I would not classify it as a tagging job. He is playing as a small defender in those cases, if you are going to use these examples you might as well say that Nick Smith is a tagger and that he is the best in the game
Nick Smith is more or less a tagger yes but it can be called lock down defender/small defender or whatever you want.
Yes Picken plays a small defender role as well but he has just as much respect in the community for his tagging as Crowley had last year. Both Ablett and Dal Santo have written/tweeted about him being a top 3 tagger in the past, along with Carrots.
More or less meaningless though, Carlton have more than enough taggers anyway.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
while its subjective to rank taggers based on whether they've "won" matchups or not, this article analyses it a lot better
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-06/the-inquirer-the-nothing-men
Puts a lot more perspective on how players do
They need a way bigger sample size for all players though.
If you want to take it as 100% truth sure, but it says enough about who the best taggers have been this season
tbh Crowley wouldn't even be in the top 5, way off his game so far
maybe in the first month of this year but he is well and truly back now
Danger 66DT
Griffen 48DT
SJ 56DT
Shuey 74 DT
In the last month
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 05:40:49 PM
Yep agreed, a lot of the clubs seem to be overrating where they are at.
Like Carlton have been shower, but we should have beat Geelong on the weekend.
Dees have lifted but no way.
Ugh, that is just plain wrong.
Every club still goes into crisis when we beat them, we still don't have respect amongst clubs so how does that make them overrate us?
Melbourne have always had talent. Just zero confidence to execute it. Roos is slowly giving them that confidence.
Who is better positioned for the flag in 3, 4, 5 years is pointless talk. And I'll tell you why in two words.
Port Adelaide.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 10, 2014, 07:56:14 PM
We still have a few father son selections which are going to slot very nicely into this side over the next few years.
Dees also have a 2 in the next 2 drafts *said with no malice*
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 06:39:55 PM
I just feel like Melbourne have made some short cuts. Port have some really talented young players, Wines, Wingard, the list goes on.
Viney is great. But who else? Tyson is good but I don't see him being elite. Cross has one year left I think, iirc Vince is 28. They lost Mitch Clark. Jamar is 30. Grimes has been ok this year.
What elite talent do they have coming through?
Just as much as Carlton.
You can make that argument with any team. For example:
Viney Murphy is great. But who else?
Tyson Docherty is good but I don't see him being elite.
Cross Judd has one year left I think, iirc
Vince Walker is 28. They lost
Mitch Clark Eddie Betts.
Jamar Simpson is 30.
Grimes Thomas has been ok this year.
Any argument I make will have a sub-conscious bias, as this thread also has. So IMO, it is unrealistic to make calls in one month, let alone 5 years.
When I said clubs were overrating themselves, I wasn't singling out Melbourne.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
When I said clubs were overrating themselves, I wasn't singling out Melbourne.
Ah oops, I mis-read, my fault, sorry vinny
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
When I said clubs were overrating themselves, I wasn't singling out Melbourne.
Ah oops, I mis-read, my fault, sorry vinny
Don't apologize to him, he goes for Carlton
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
When I said clubs were overrating themselves, I wasn't singling out Melbourne.
Well, blues were talking up top 4 at the start of the year :P
Haha I said that including us too Zip.
All good Purple haha. :)
Quote from: Ricochet on June 11, 2014, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Master Q on June 10, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
while its subjective to rank taggers based on whether they've "won" matchups or not, this article analyses it a lot better
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-06/the-inquirer-the-nothing-men
Puts a lot more perspective on how players do
They need a way bigger sample size for all players though.
If you want to take it as 100% truth sure, but it says enough about who the best taggers have been this season
tbh Crowley wouldn't even be in the top 5, way off his game so far
maybe in the first month of this year but he is well and truly back now
Danger 66DT
Griffen 48DT
SJ 56DT
Shuey 74 DT
In the last month
He's getting better, but I want to see it vs. better opposition. He did a really good job on Griffen but Fremantle pretty much steamrolled Adelaide and Geelong so we'll see come September
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 09:59:31 AM
Viney Murphy is great. But who else? Tyson Docherty is good but I don't see him being elite. Cross Judd has one year left I think, iirc Vince Walker is 28. They lost Mitch Clark Eddie Betts. Jamar Simpson is 30. Grimes Thomas has been ok this year.
Who is your Yarran and Gibbs? :P
Blues fans, name your top 10 under 24 year olds.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:28:29 PM
Blues fans, name your top 10 under 24 year olds.
This will be interesting. :)
24 and under
Yarran
Jeffy
Bell
Curnow
Henderson
Dylan Buckley
Menzel
Docherty
Nick Graham
Andrew McInnes
Tuohy
Cachia
Levi
Watson
Kane Lucas
That's 15, obviously some of those like Lucas aren't AFL players, but I also have not included guys like Cripps, Holman, Temay and Giles, then there are a couple of prospects on our rookie list who are showing a bit in the VFL. The Irish boys Byrne and Sheehan, Reynolds and Blaine Johsnon as well.
Kreuz and Gibbs are 25, Murph 26 and Robbo is 25 as well
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
24 and under
Yarran
Jeffy
Bell
Curnow
Henderson
Dylan Buckley
Menzel
Docherty
Nick Graham
Andrew McInnes
Tuohy
Cachia
Levi
Watson
Kane Lucas
That's 15, obviously some of those like Lucas aren't AFL players, but I also have not included guys like Cripps, Holman, Temay and Giles, then there are a couple of prospects on our rookie list who are showing a bit in the VFL. The Irish boys Byrne and Sheehan, Reynolds and Blaine Johsnon as well.
Feel free to add Cripps etc. if you think they will be better than come of the ones you've listed. I plan on taking this to a poll. It'll probably be separate polls, so we'll make it top 12?
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:44:48 PM
No real order here.
Gibbs
Yarran
Menzel
Docherty
Curnow
Buckley
Henderson
Bell
Kreuzer
Everitt
Garlett
Casboult
Graham
Tuohy
Cachia
I went 25 and younger before someone brings it up. Have I missed anyone Blues guys?
The only reason I say 24 is that they used that on All Access to assess the two teams.
So if all of you could come together and get, say a top 12, definitively that'd be good.
It cuts off quite a few good players for us who just turned 25. Gibbs, Kreuzer etc.
I don't think it is fair to include the guys that haven't played much reserves footy yet like Cripps as you can't really make an assessment, but we do have a few to many similar types. Top 12 I would say in no order
Yarran
Jeffy
Bell
Curnow
Henderson
Dylan Buckley
Menzel
Docherty
Nick Graham
Tuohy
Cachia
Levi/McInnes
Watson is not consistent enough at the top level and Kane is dead weight. McInnes has shown a bit at AFL level but is still trying to gain his pre ACL form, Levi is a spastic kick but a brilliant mark
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:48:21 PM
It cuts off quite a few good players for us who just turned 25. Gibbs, Kreuzer etc.
Yep I did notice that. I figured that's why you wanted it at 25. ;D
To me 25 and over starts getting too close to the prime and older players, rather than being a young player.
Haha yeah :P
Alright fair enough, all 24 and under and one 25 year old? ;)
I don't wanna leave Gibbsy out hahaha.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:55:58 PM
Haha yeah :P
Alright fair enough, all 24 and under and one 25 year old? ;)
I don't wanna leave Gibbsy out hahaha.
I don't see why not. Tyson's better than Gibbs anyway. :P ;D
Happy with this list? Looked through both of your lists and picked out the similarities. Also would like to see a few other opinions e.g. from Q
Yarran
Jeffy
Bell
Curnow
Henderson
Dylan Buckley
Menzel
Docherty
Nick Graham
Tuohy
Cachia
Levi
(Minus one of them for Gibbs)
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:56:54 PM
Tyson's better than Gibbs anyway. :P ;D
Shots well and truly fired haha! ;D
Haha that looks good man.
I'd take out Tuohy/Cachia for Gibbs but I'm fine if we don't wana include Gibbs. I wasn't entirely serious haha.
I'd take Tyson over Gibbs any day
Should I throw in a top 12 for Brisbane, or save Carlton the embarrassment? :P
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:01:14 PM
Happy with this list? Looked through both of your lists and picked out the similarities. Also would like to see a few other opinions e.g. from Q
Yarran
Jeffy
Bell
Curnow
Henderson
Dylan Buckley
Menzel
Docherty
Nick Graham
Tuohy
Cachia
Levi
(Minus one of them for Gibbs)
I agree with that list without looking at the squad.
Despite all the hate he receives Levi definitely has to be there for his raw potential. If we include Gibbs, Cachia is removed.
Quote from: brad on June 11, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
I'd take Tyson over Gibbs any day
Yeah considering what Tyson is doing as a 21 year old, going to be gun.
Actually I would consider McInnes ahead of Cachia just because Cachia is pretty similar to a few others being a defensive in an under type while McInnes can play as a tall defender and is pretty good young player
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 11, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
Should I throw in a top 12 for Brisbane, or save Carlton the embarrassment? :P
Please don't GL, in all seriousness Brisbane have a beast U24 group of players. :-[
Really actually rate McInnes, even though his done it tough with injuries.
Alright McInnes ahead of Cachia looks good.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:45:43 PM
Alright McInnes ahead of Cachia looks good.
Sweet, just checking with the Dees fans as to our collective thoughts on a best 12.
Bandwagon Melbourne and Big Club Carlton means that the results will be predictable IMO :-X
It will but dude looking at the Dees list, you can't deny how promising it is.
Maybe we should compare both and cancel out the players with similar potential/ability and see what we are left with too.
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:47:44 PM
Bandwagon Melbourne and Big Club Carlton means that the results will be predictable IMO :-X
I don't know, we both get plenty of hate on here. For us it's been more so because of our previous few years though.
Also considering Cachia is rookie listed I think it might be fair to have left him off. I really like Cachia though, he is brilliant at what he does, he just needs to clean up his disposal.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:49:21 PM
It will but dude looking at the Dees list, you can't deny how promising it is.
Maybe we should compare both and cancel out the players with similar potential/ability and see what we are left with too.
I think Hogan is the big difference in that instance, despite having not played an AFL game yet. That is seriously the one thing Carlton lack; a big young power forward. I mean Cas is really good with his hands (perhaps even elite), but he still doesn't scream power full forward to me
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:49:21 PM
It will but dude looking at the Dees list, you can't deny how promising it is.
Maybe we should compare both and cancel out the players with similar potential/ability and see what we are left with too.
I think Hogan is the big difference in that instance, despite having not played an AFL game yet. That is seriously the one thing Carlton lack; a big young power forward. I mean Cas is really good with his hands (perhaps even elite), but he still doesn't scream power full forward to me
Have you seen the meat on that kid? Haha.
If he develops properly he won't pinch hit in the ruck. He'll play FF if that happens due to his mobility.
Yeah Hogan although I haven't seen him play at any level seems to be a freak.
Levi is elite with his hands I agree but he is possibly the worst kick at goal for a forward in the league.
Which will always hurt his rep as a gun forward.
But if he suddenly improves, he'll be the player everyone will be like this guy has turned into a machine.
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:54:48 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:49:21 PM
It will but dude looking at the Dees list, you can't deny how promising it is.
Maybe we should compare both and cancel out the players with similar potential/ability and see what we are left with too.
I think Hogan is the big difference in that instance, despite having not played an AFL game yet. That is seriously the one thing Carlton lack; a big young power forward. I mean Cas is really good with his hands (perhaps even elite), but he still doesn't scream power full forward to me
Have you seen the meat on that kid? Haha.
If he develops properly he won't pinch hit in the ruck. He'll play FF if that happens due to his mobility.
I have indeed, but I still don't see him as one right now. I do however agree that he will turn into one. Needs to work on his kicking though.
Hogan has a very unorthodox kick himself, but it seems to get the job done right now.
All in all, Cas is the one playing AFL at the moment so he's ahead of Hogan at present.
I really hope Levi gets the kicking sorted because him turning into a gun would go a long long way for the club.
It would be nice if we moved Walker forward or onto a wing. He could be the third tall/high half forward or just run his opponent to the ground running through the guts.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:56:16 PM
Levi is elite with his hands I agree but he is possibly the worst kick at goal for a forward in the league.
Which will always hurt his rep as a gun forward.
So you're saying Levi is almost identical to Cloke. Pay packets aside, both are elite with their hands but shower kicks :P
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:47:44 PM
Bandwagon Melbourne and Big Club Carlton means that the results will be predictable IMO :-X
lol, #scared ;)
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 09:46:06 PM
So you're saying Levi is almost identical to Cloke. Pay packets aside, both are elite with their hands but shower kicks :P
I think that is the most important part in the sentence.
Haha can't disregard their salary man, it is what makes Cloke so overrated and useless. ;)
Boom, knew you'd both jump on it ;)
Both are still duds #McGovern4PM
If I could be bothered I would be chopping Cloke's head onto this
(http://i.imgur.com/rd4DCcr.jpg)
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
Boom, knew you'd both jump on it ;)
Both are still duds #McGovern4PM
JJK will push McGovern out and JJK has done sweet FA this season bar his game vs Giants.
Clearly McGovern is a superstar best 22 champion. ;)
If someone can remind me tomorrow I'll do it, busy right now. I keep getting distracted by these discussions hahaha.
We can also do one for the Toump
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
Boom, knew you'd both jump on it ;)
Both are still duds #McGovern4PM
JJK will push McGovern out and JJK has done sweet FA this season bar his game vs Giants.
And he's still done more than the Blues KPF combined ;)
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
Boom, knew you'd both jump on it ;)
Both are still duds #McGovern4PM
JJK will push McGovern out and JJK has done sweet FA this season bar his game vs Giants.
And he's still done more than the Blues KPF combined ;)
Incorrect. :P
JJK has kicked 25. Levi, Waite & Henderson combined have kicked 28.
;D
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
Boom, knew you'd both jump on it ;)
Both are still duds #McGovern4PM
JJK will push McGovern out and JJK has done sweet FA this season bar his game vs Giants.
And he's still done more than the Blues KPF combined ;)
Incorrect. :P
JJK has kicked 25. Levi, Waite & Henderson combined have kicked 28.
;D
Hahaha dammit! Knew I should have crunched the numbers first. Gotta pay that one! :P
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 11, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
Boom, knew you'd both jump on it ;)
Both are still duds #McGovern4PM
JJK will push McGovern out and JJK has done sweet FA this season bar his game vs Giants.
And he's still done more than the Blues KPF combined ;)
Incorrect. :P
JJK has kicked 25. Levi, Waite & Henderson combined have kicked 28.
;D
Hahaha dammit! Knew I should have crunched the numbers first. Gotta pay that one! :P
Hahaha 8)
Guys how about Tim Membrey?
Looks to be a great player actually, doing well in the 2s even though it's NEAFL and if he was at any other club, would surely be playing more often. Obviously it's hard to forward line to break into at Sydney.
188cm though so medium forward.
What about him :P
Nothing just thought I'd let you all know about Tim Membrey from the Sydney Football Club. Thanks for letting me share.
Thoughts on targeting him you spastic. :P
Bit too skilled for u guys ;)
North have a plethora of young KPP's. Are any of them coming out of contract?
Minus Daw and Currie
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: brad on June 11, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
I'd take Tyson over Gibbs any day
Yeah considering what Tyson is doing as a 21 year old, going to be gun.
I dunno, Gibbs numbers were better at the same age. It'd be interesting to see how Tyson develops from here
Quote from: Ricochet on June 11, 2014, 11:39:12 PM
[I dunno, Gibbs numbers were better at the same age. It'd be interesting to see how Tyson develops from here
Gibbs is also more versatile and a brilliant kick where as Tyson is not as proficient by foot.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 11:40:41 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 11, 2014, 11:39:12 PM
[I dunno, Gibbs numbers were better at the same age. It'd be interesting to see how Tyson develops from here
Gibbs is also more versatile and a brilliant kick where as Tyson is not as proficient by foot.
Yep agree, he can play hb, hf or through the guts. Tyson has been good but not amazing
Tyson just looks so smooth though. from what I've seen of him when he just reminds me of Pendlebury. so much time with the ball when trying to dish it out or when the pressure is on him. signs are really good that he'll become a star IMO
Quote from: Ricochet on June 11, 2014, 11:47:08 PM
Yep agree, he can play hb, hf or through the guts. Tyson has been good but not amazing
They are completely different players with a different style of play and different roles in the team. This is why it is hard to compare them to each other. Tyson has been amazing for what Melbourne have recruited him to do, which is be someone that can win a hard ball and help create for his teammates on the outside. Every time I watch him play, he is so hard at it.
Gotta remember Tyson had bad knee injuries in his first two seasons. I reckon in 2/3 years time we will be able to judge the Gibbs comparison substantially better! Not many 21 year olds cop the #1 tag from an opposition after just a handful of games!
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 11:05:36 PM
Guys how about Tim Membrey?
Looks to be a great player actually, doing well in the 2s even though it's NEAFL and if he was at any other club, would surely be playing more often. Obviously it's hard to forward line to break into at Sydney.
188cm though so medium forward.
Definitely worth a look imo!
Quote from: elephants on June 12, 2014, 12:13:30 AM
Gotta remember Tyson had bad knee injuries in his first two seasons. I reckon in 2/3 years time we will be able to judge the Gibbs comparison substantially better! Not many 21 year olds cop the #1 tag from an opposition after just a handful of games!
C.Judd 8)
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 11:21:09 PM
North have a plethora of young KPP's. Are any of them coming out of contract?
Minus Daw and Currie
I'd prefer Membrey than any of North's forwards.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 11, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
Should I throw in a top 12 for Brisbane, or save Carlton the embarrassment? :P
Please don't GL, in all seriousness Brisbane have a beast U24 group of players. :-[
Wanted to have a look at a few clubs and in terms of quality rather than quantity I reckon Collingwood have the best under 24 list (so far, haven't been through all clubs)
Honestly, I'd like to think that Richmond would be up there, but I'm not sure that we are.
Quote from: NigeyS on June 12, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Honestly, I'd like to think that Richmond would be up there, but I'm not sure that we are.
I'm doing up a list of all teams atm so we can have a look :)
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2014, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 12, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Honestly, I'd like to think that Richmond would be up there, but I'm not sure that we are.
I'm doing up a list of all teams atm so we can have a look :)
Oh, interesting. Sounds good mate, can't wait to see it.
Buckley out for 6 weeks
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-12/broken-hand-hits-young-blue-buckley-for-six
Quote from: NigeyS on June 12, 2014, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2014, 09:50:29 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 12, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Honestly, I'd like to think that Richmond would be up there, but I'm not sure that we are.
I'm doing up a list of all teams atm so we can have a look :)
Oh, interesting. Sounds good mate, can't wait to see it.
here you go Nige
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,96627.0.html
Cheers mate, just had a look and posted my thoughts on the Tigers' bunch. ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 12, 2014, 11:01:29 AM
Buckley out for 6 weeks
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-12/broken-hand-hits-young-blue-buckley-for-six
:'(
Poor Dylan
Judd in, Garlett out.
JUDDDDDYYY :D
Can someone please remind me why we got rid of Eddie betts?
Quote from: blue on June 14, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
Can someone please remind me why we got rid of Eddie betts?
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Vinny on June 14, 2014, 11:16:25 PM
Quote from: blue on June 14, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
Can someone please remind me why we got rid of Eddie betts?
:'( :'( :'( :'(
your game plan wouldn't suit Betts at all
I miss Eddie
And it doesn't help when our game plan is complete crap KB. We miss him quite a bit, it not just the fact he kicks goals, he also creates. He leads the AFL in it was either assists or involvements over the last 5 seasons. When you have a forward line struggling to function, he was the creator.
There is a reason I took the Head off that list of guys under 25, how someone can perform well on a consistent basis in the VFL, then come into the side at AFL level, play on the same spuds and get toweled up amazes me. I'll continue my rant tomorrow, I gotta be up early for work.
So to continue my Head rant, he actually has consistently good form in the VFL, but the second he comes into the firsts it is like he has no idea what he is doing. Guys like O'Brien he would smash on the reg in the VFL, then when he comes up against him in the big league he makes him look like Roughy. There is not something right in his head because he has shown the ability to actually play at a competent level in the reserves, but he just looks like crap so often in the firsts.
Yeah I actually thought he was okay last year. But man he was so bad on the weekend it was frustrating.
Just made terrible decisions and looked like he had no idea what to do when the ball came near him.
I said this in the matchday thread on the weekend.
Quote from: Vinny on June 13, 2014, 08:24:57 PM
Matthew Watson is not an AFL player.
He is young but makes errors and bad decisions.
Have not seen him play VFL or anyone play VFL this year but if that is the case, it is quite disappointing.
Curnow should be back this week I believe.
Jamison a test. Bell one more week.
Henderson not even on the injury list which is good.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/104i2jm.jpg)
Hahahahahaha
Who gets it?
hahahahahaha
ahaha, so sedgy
I thought this was interesting from Richmond's VFL report on the weekend's game vs Northern Blues:
"They didnt have a key forward so it was good for him to play on some smaller types."
Knew you guys were a bit short on key forwards, but none playing in the reserves? :o Or is that a mistake?
Quote from: Toga on June 17, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
I thought this was interesting from Richmond's VFL report on the weekend's game vs Northern Blues:
"They didn
Ye old copy and paste bug has gotten ya Broga. :(
What you talking about?
Quote from: Toga on June 17, 2014, 05:41:18 PM
What you talking about?
Haha, assuming you copy and pasted that quote above, it didn't come out properly.
Looks fine to me :P
Quote from: Toga on June 17, 2014, 06:10:45 PM
Looks fine to me :P
When I quoted your post, it definitely didn't have the rest of the sentence after the apostrophe in "didn't". :P
I've had that copy and paste problem before, so annoying
Jack Anthony was playing FF ::) Due to his super spuddyness they moved him down back, Blaine Johnson is the main forward prospect in the reserves right now but he is a medium sized guy at 185ish cm's and was only elevated to the main list recently. Reynolds is another medium sized prospect, but in terms of big guys the only ones we have are Levi, Hendo and Kreuz as a ruck/forward. I have stated this multiple times, Kreuz is not a forward and should not be played there, his skills are best utilized in the ruck and he can't find ways to impose himself as a permanent forward.
Malthouse had the genius idea of delisting Luke Mitchell and Pat McCarthy (used more as a defender) who were two guys they had invested a bit of time in and only drafting Giles who has been used in defense in the reserves before having injury issues.
Mitchell has had shoulder issues and multiple reconstructions including one in his final year of TAC. He was unable to get on the park so his development stalled, but the worst part of our recruiting last season is we did not bring anyone in that could pinch hit as a key forward while losing Mitchell, McCarthy and Hammer. Rowe can probably swing forward since he spent the majority of his career there so far, but if we don't go multiple KPP's this draft or get one via trade/FA the entire recruiting staff should be out the door.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-19/blues-back-mick
In what world does he deserve an extension? This is looking more and more like Pagan 2.0
Mmm this'll be interesting..
IN OTHER MORE HAPPY NEWS
CURNOW IS BACK :D
I don't think Curnow will play. Coming off a broken leg he needs a run in the reserves just for some match fitness. If Hendo is fit he will come in for Graham otherwise they will probably just make the one change of Jamo for Head. Johnson will be an interesting one in the coming weeks. He has been named emergency a few times and has been kicking goals in the reserves.
Curnow is playing as long as there is no late change. :)
It's interesting, let's just hope he isn't underdone
Yep, hope nothing bad happens. :-\
Mat, what are your thoughts on our best 22 now?
What I think our best 22 would be if players were played in position or what Malthouse would do?
Also after today I bring this up again
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 19, 2014, 11:59:12 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-19/blues-back-mick
In what world does he deserve an extension? This is looking more and more like Pagan 2.0
What you think our best 22 would be haha.
Yeah flower, we can get close against top teams but lose to bottom tams.
You always seem to play slightly worse than your opposition, no matter who they are.
At least Brisbane are consistently shower :P
Haha yeah all our losses bar Collingwood and Essendon are narrow but we still suck at winning. :P
Quote from: Vinny on June 22, 2014, 05:23:09 PM
Haha yeah all our losses bar Collingwood and Essendon are narrow but we still suck at winning. :P
Fixed
Quote from: Vinny on June 22, 2014, 05:21:11 PM
What you think our best 22 would be haha.
Yeah flower, we can get close against top teams but lose to bottom tams.
We have to many similar players. I will have to think about this.
Also it depends on who goes on next year.
Haha whenever you are ready man
Just as it is, don't worry about who is leaving/retiring.
The issue is guys like Bell, Curnow, Carrots, Brock, Robbo, Graham, Cripps, Cachia, Everitt and a couple of others to an extent are the same kind of player. Not the greatest disposal, defensive or slow. This is where they got exploited today, they need a guy like Jeffy and Buckley in the side to provide some pace. Murph has also got zip and can play inside and out. We can't carry to many of the first guys or we get exploited although they may be considered best 22 in terms of talent.
I know he hasn't exactly played all year but we also missed Kreuz. Mummy raped Warnock every time the ball hit the ground, what Kreuz is so good at is the follow up work.
Yeah that is true. Out of that list, reckon McLean is on the edge. Bell if is fit is ahead of him for me. Cripps and Cachia are not going to push out guys like Carrots. I think Everitt has been very good. Robbo's intensity is so good. We do need Kreuzer back but Warnock has been pretty good in his absence. Mummy is one of the best ruckmen in the competition.
How does this look?
FB: White, Jamison, Tuohy.
HB: Simpson, Rowe, Yarran.
C: Judd, Gibbs, Everitt.
HF: Thomas, Henderson, Walker.
FF: Menzel, Casboult, Robinson.
F: Kreuzer, Murphy, Carazzo.
IC: Curnow, Bell, Docherty, Buckley.
E: McLean, Graham, Armfield, Garlett.
By the way, I am really bad at doing these, assuming most of these guys are OOP and need to be switched around, help me out. :-X
Matt? It is late and I am bored, sorry. :P
What am I doing?
Telling me your thoughts on that best 22 and what changes you would make because I'm really bad at them especially positions. :P
Read ;)
Reading takes effort. I click the thing on the menu so it comes to my last unread reply which was this :P
Quote from: Vinny on June 24, 2014, 12:44:39 AM
Matt? It is late and I am bored, sorry. :P
My 22 off the top of my head, form taken into account with some players and not including injuries to others
Buckley, Jamo, McInnes
Yaz, Rowe, Docherty
Simpson, Gibbs, Walker
Jeffy, Waite, Robbo
Cas, Hendo, Menz
Kreuz, Murph, Judd
Carrots, Curnow, Bell, Everitt
I feel like I am missing some names, but I dunno. Brock is one I think that misses out due to the Carrots/Curnow/Bell situation due to a lack of leg pace. Being honest, I don't know if we can carry all those guys. Tuohy is in when he is in form, he is one I have taken into account although he did have a decent game against the Giants. He has struggled for most of the season otherwise.
Get excited fellas...
Gibbs will front the media at Visy Park at 12:30pm.
Quote from: Ricochet on June 24, 2014, 09:58:17 AM
Get excited fellas...
Gibbs will front the media at Visy Park at 12:30pm.
:D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 24, 2014, 01:40:17 AM
My 22 off the top of my head, form taken into account with some players and not including injuries to others
Buckley, Jamo, McInnes
Yaz, Rowe, Docherty
Simpson, Gibbs, Walker
Jeffy, Waite, Robbo
Cas, Hendo, Menz
Kreuz, Murph, Judd
Carrots, Curnow, Bell, Everitt
I feel like I am missing some names, but I dunno. Brock is one I think that misses out due to the Carrots/Curnow/Bell situation due to a lack of leg pace. Being honest, I don't know if we can carry all those guys. Tuohy is in when he is in form, he is one I have taken into account although he did have a decent game against the Giants. He has struggled for most of the season otherwise.
Looks solid man, I think it's alright that Brock misses. He is too slow. Pretty similar to mine, I forgot about Waite. But he has been terrible this year besides the odd good goal.
Only differences are White over McInnes. I'd say McInnes over White. But I think White has earned his spot somewhat and the club will persist with him. I've got Daisy over Waite. Plus I've got Buckley over Garlett, which is form based.
Yeah White has been in good form, I think when both he an McInnes are up and going they are very close to each other, it is good depth to have.
Gibbsy signed on for 5 years
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-24/bryce-gibbs
Gibbs rejects lure of home, commits to Carlton for five years.
It is understood the midfielder will earn about $600,000 a season under his new contract, but could have earned more than $700,000 a year if he had gone home.
After a relatively slow start to 2014, Gibbs has produced the best football of his career in recent rounds, having assumed more and more of the inside load in Carltons midfield.
He is averaging 25.1 possessions a game in 2014 up from 22.3 a game last season and leads the Blues in clearances (5.6 a game), contested possessions (10.9) and inside 50s (4.1).
Yeeesss! :)
Huge signing, great work Carlton
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2014-06-24/cfc-tv-gibbs-announcement
Video of the presser
Sweeet, thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtBZKUNACSk
Andrew McKay says:
Cachia 1-2 weeks.
White, dislocated knee cap but should be back.
TOM BELL RECOVERED AND IS A TEST.
Hope Bell is back, would help.
I'm late but
Giiiiiiiiiiibbbbbbbbbbssssssssssssssss
8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7gwNMLJpGo
Interesting what Mark Ricciuto has said about free agency, I tend to agree.
It is great that Gibbs is signing obviously but just what he says about the effect FA will start to have on the game, not a fan.
Yeah I've been (mostly) against FA since the concept's introduction, it has pros and cons though.
Maybe the AFL needs to introduce "team options" (definitely not player options). If you don't follow American sports, really it means that the team has the choice whether or not they resign a player, but they have more flexibility.
For example, Carlton could sign Gibbs for a 4 year contract with a 1 year team option. So he is contracted for 4 years, and then Carlton have the choice of whether or not he plays the extra year. If they aren't happy with him or his contract they can decline, alternatively if they like him and the contract they can lock him in for the 5th year (and he has to play).
Yeah that is the thing, some parts of it I am against but others is good like the ability, if we didnt spend money on Daisy, to chase a gun player. Maybe Fyfe in navy, come at me Ric. :P
That is interesting, I kind of like that. Is that NBA or NFL?
For the positive side of FA, when Carrots retires next year and Juddy in 20 years we will have some more cash.
Juddy was on 1 million of course but he willingly took a HUGE paycut last year from what I heard. Down to 750k?
I haven't watched Ricciuto's video yet but I have voiced my thoughts about FA in the past, mainly out of concern for my own club. Watching all of our players who reached free agency leave the club (don't think anyone has stayed), really asserted the idea of 'feeder clubs' in my mind. The idea that there would only ever be a few clubs who could challenge for the flag, while they would pick and choose the talent from the clubs below them. Luckily Roos has seemed to allay that fear, but there is still really no incentive for gun players to stay at clubs that don't have success, which is a blight on the competition in my eyes.
Quote from: Vinny on June 25, 2014, 06:44:11 PM
That is interesting, I kind of like that. Is that NBA or NFL?
Juddy was on 1 million of course but he willingly took a HUGE paycut last year from what I heard. Down to 750k?
Think it's in all American pro sports. They also have player options, the same thing except it's the player's choice whether or not they take the extra year. Of course not all contracts have all this option btw.
750k is still a lot :P
Quote from: Big Mac on June 25, 2014, 06:56:37 PM
I haven't watched Ricciuto's video yet but I have voiced my thoughts about FA in the past, mainly out of concern for my own club. Watching all of our players who reached free agency leave the club (don't think anyone has stayed), really asserted the idea of 'feeder clubs' in my mind. The idea that there would only ever be a few clubs who could challenge for the flag, while they would pick and choose the talent from the clubs below them. Luckily Roos has seemed to allay that fear, but there is still really no incentive for gun players to stay at clubs that don't have success, which is a blight on the competition in my eyes.
I don't think the comp is at that stage yet. I think it's at the stage where players are often moving back home. Literally every out of contract player has "go home" rumours.
Compared to one million, it is. It is not likely we know how to use the money anyway so who cares.
McLean needs to be dropped for Graham.
He has been serviceable but he is too slow, Graham needs to get game time for his hard work.
Yarran is a gun.
Graham has no leg pace either. If Brock goes, Jeffy comes back in.
Experienced players that need to get operations should be advised to do so now.
Experienced players that arent part of season 2015 plans should be left in the 2's.
Blood a fistful of new players over the remainder of 2014
Let's get a head start on putting forth the most professional 2015 possible :-X
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on July 01, 2014, 12:09:20 AM
Experienced players that need to get operations should be advised to do so now.
Experienced players that arent part of season 2015 plans should be left in the 2's.
Blood a fistful of new players over the remainder of 2014
Let's get a head start on putting forth the most professional 2015 possible :-X
If they're in the best 22 and not injured they should probably take the field, our you risk exposing yourself to talks of tanking :P
Yeah, Carltank :P
Injury Update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeV5P5H3LZA
I'll just sum it up:
Jarrad Waite jarred his hip in the VFL last Sunday, will be a test but likely to play.
Simon White fit to play, not as bad as first thought.
Patrick Cripps has recovered, likely to play VFL to gain match fitness but will be in contention for an AFL run later in the year.
Not many will care but thought I'd post just in case for XVs and what not.
Quote from: Ziplock on July 01, 2014, 01:18:24 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on July 01, 2014, 12:09:20 AM
Experienced players that need to get operations should be advised to do so now.
Experienced players that arent part of season 2015 plans should be left in the 2's.
Blood a fistful of new players over the remainder of 2014
Let's get a head start on putting forth the most professional 2015 possible :-X
If they're in the best 22 and not injured they should probably take the field, our you risk exposing yourself to talks of tanking :P
Quote from: elephants on July 01, 2014, 01:56:20 AM
Yeah, Carltank :P
we can still play to win and play youth, no point playing old guys that arent part of 2015 :-X
we are not a mediocre club, we stand at the top of ladder as far as success goes with 16 premierships and we need to make some hard list decisions at years end so that we r contending for top 4 in 2015.
The best way to evaluate them is by seeing how their skills and decision making hold up at the top level. Throw a couple games to 5-8 players over the remaining games who we think could be in the 2015 plan, play two a week, one as sub, i thought Blaine Johnson showed a bit of spirit and some useful attributes as the sub against Collingwood, so lets back it up by starting him on ground this week.
Quote from: Vinny on July 01, 2014, 01:47:31 PM
Injury Update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeV5P5H3LZA
I'll just sum it up:
Jarrad Waite jarred his hip in the VFL last Sunday, will be a test but likely to play.
Simon White fit to play, not as bad as first thought.
Patrick Cripps has recovered, likely to play VFL to gain match fitness but will be in contention for an AFL run later in the year.
Not many will care but thought I'd post just in case for XVs and what not.
look forward to seeing more of Cripps soon, he has a lot to offer our team
Johnson has remained in the squad and Nick Holman has come in, im hoping both get a game
Yep glad to see those ins!
Graham and Bell in is great too but obviously not all will make the cut.
goin down fellas :P
Bring it on. :P
Just saw the press conference Mick had a couple days ago.
Spoke about Jeffy Garlett.
''He is just not kicking enough goals and if you kick enough goals and don't particularly defend, you can probably get away with it.''
''But if you don't do either, you don't play.''
He also said Blaine Johnson kept Jeff out of the side.
This is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhgZZVeUz1Q
Blaine Johnson presentation.
The VFL ended up getting a good win. Jeffy apparently had a massive last quarter, 14 touches, a goal and 3 assists in ONLY the final term. He has 7 in the first 8 minutes of the quarter. Jarrad 3.2 to go with his 8 marks, 3 tackles and 21 touches. Head played up forward and kicked 3 goals as well.
Yeeess, hope Jeffy comes in then proves himself.
If Menzel is hurt bad, I'd like to see a change there.
Garlett comin' home lads ;)
Has Judds return ruined Simpson. :(
Quote from: Grazz on July 07, 2014, 04:37:58 AM
Has Judds return ruined Simpson. :(
Hadn't even considered this hey. Looking into it and it looks like that since Judd has returned, Simpson has gone back to playing off half back :-\
Quote from: Ricochet on July 07, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
Quote from: Grazz on July 07, 2014, 04:37:58 AM
Has Judds return ruined Simpson. :(
Hadn't even considered this hey. Looking into it and it looks like that since Judd has returned, Simpson has gone back to playing off half back :-\
Yeh it does, haven't seen every Blues game since Judd coming back so thought id ask and see what the Blues faithful have to say.
Yep Ric is right, Simpson is just not playing in the middle like he was when Juddy was out. Which has reduced his total possession count, contestant ball, clearances and tackles.
Juddy and Carazzo both back would have effected him I guess.
Quote from: elephants on July 06, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Garlett comin' home lads ;)
Ele pls.
Seriously though, if we were looking at a trade, what would you guys give for him, realistically?
Garlett + 2nd rounder for Lycett ;)
Why would we want Lycett when we have the might Cam Wood. ;)
Quote from: Vinny on July 07, 2014, 08:56:07 PM
Why would we want Lycett when we have the might Cam Wood. ;)
is he ever going to get a game?
Quote from: Vinny on July 07, 2014, 08:56:07 PM
Why would we want Lycett when we have the might Cam Wood. ;)
Yeh prefer to have Wood than Lyce. :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 07, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 07, 2014, 08:56:07 PM
Why would we want Lycett when we have the might Cam Wood. ;)
is he ever going to get a game?
Nah probably not unless Kreuzer and Warnock get injured.
Quote from: Vinny on July 07, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 07, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 07, 2014, 08:56:07 PM
Why would we want Lycett when we have the might Cam Wood. ;)
is he ever going to get a game?
Nah probably not unless Kreuzer and Warnock get injured.
i reckon Lycett would look good in your forward line
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 07, 2014, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 07, 2014, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 07, 2014, 08:33:40 PM
Garlett + 2nd rounder for Lycett ;)
*head explodes* :P
'
what you don't want Lycett?
Lycett is probably worth a late 2nd rounder considering what we got for Hampson.
Lycett is a stud, get your filthy Victorian, underrating mits off him!
Probs wouldn't give up heaps for Jeffery, soz Vin :p
Haha I don't want Jeffy to go anyway, just curious.
Can you keep Jeffery and we keep Lycett? :P
Sure! But you give us JJK and Gaff for Kane Lucas, okay? Sweet thanks
Troy Menzel at his press conference today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHF6PUX_yu4
''Yeah I'd definitely love to stay, yes.''
Pretty standard answer for any footballer in contract negotiations ;)
Quote from: elephants on July 08, 2014, 06:07:35 PM
Pretty standard answer for any footballer in contract negotiations ;)
I am 100% sure he will stay. :P
Haha yeah, I reckon he will too. Just in here for a casual Tuesday afternoon stir ;)
Quote from: elephants on July 08, 2014, 06:07:35 PM
Pretty standard answer for any footballer in contract negotiations ;)
I wish Frawley would say that at some point :(
Menzel would be a great signing for the blues!
I WANT KYLE MARTIN AT CARLTON. PLEEEEEASEEEEEEE!
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
I WANT KYLE MARTIN AT CARLTON. PLEEEEEASEEEEEEE!
NO! THE DEES NEED HIM MORE
Quote from: Big Mac on July 10, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
I WANT KYLE MARTIN AT CARLTON. PLEEEEEASEEEEEEE!
NO! THE DEES NEED HIM MORE
BUT I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE CLOSER TO A FLAG. LOOKS LLIKE WE NEED HIM MORE. :P
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on July 10, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
I WANT KYLE MARTIN AT CARLTON. PLEEEEEASEEEEEEE!
NO! THE DEES NEED HIM MORE
BUT I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE CLOSER TO A FLAG. LOOKS LLIKE WE NEED HIM MORE. :P
Mick would just make him a sub each week or some bs
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 10, 2014, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on July 10, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
I WANT KYLE MARTIN AT CARLTON. PLEEEEEASEEEEEEE!
NO! THE DEES NEED HIM MORE
BUT I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE CLOSER TO A FLAG. LOOKS LLIKE WE NEED HIM MORE. :P
Mick would just make him a sub each week or some bs
He'd keep him to the twos even if he kicked 10 and got 40 possies for the Northern Blues. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on July 10, 2014, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 10, 2014, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on July 10, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 10, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
I WANT KYLE MARTIN AT CARLTON. PLEEEEEASEEEEEEE!
NO! THE DEES NEED HIM MORE
BUT I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE CLOSER TO A FLAG. LOOKS LLIKE WE NEED HIM MORE. :P
Mick would just make him a sub each week or some bs
He'd keep him to the twos even if he kicked 10 and got 40 possies for the Northern Blues. :P
Pleaseeeeee
Nick Graham and Kyle Martin to be the ultimate replacements for Juddy and Carrots.
Injury Update (10/07/2014):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmCifhZaxsU
Troy Menzel had scans on his shoulder that he hurt last Sunday vs Saints, all clear but still sore. So he is not ready for body contact yet but has trained and should be good for next week.
Andrew Carazzo out for 2 weeks with a minor strain in his calf again. :(
Matthew Kreuzer back out training had scans on the foot all clear, definitely will play at some point before the end of the season but they do not want to rush him. :D
Really happy it's only 2 weeks for Carrots, would have been a disaster had it been a season/career-ender. :(
Krooz back next week pls
Just a few things I have noticed over the last few weeks. Many of us think that Carlton's forward line issues revolve around the lack of a key forward, I am thinking this is wrong right now. Let's say our two key posts are Levi and Hendo for the next 5 years, those two are good enough to compete at a high level. Looking at the best functioning forward lines in the comp, they have 2 high quality mid size forward options, Carlton arguably have 0 (depending what you classify Menzel). We also lack a creative crumbing forward with Jeffy spending most of the year in the VFL and Eddie gone. The Eddie loss has been huge, not only have we lost around 40 goals a year out of him actually kicking them, we have lost all the goals he sets up.
I will use the 3 best forward lines in the comp as examples. Those teams are Hawthorn, Sydney and Port
Hawks forwards: Roughy, Hale, Gunston, Breust, Cyril, Puopolo
Port: Shulz, Hoff, Wingard, Gray, White, Monfries
Sydney: Tippett, Reid, Buddy, Goodes, Parker, Jetta
Sydney are the only one that is different but I will explain how they technically fit in the same mold as the others
These forward lines have one key tall forward, a secondary forward that can pinch hit in the ruck if need be, 2 medium sized forwards and 2 smalls.
Hawks: Roughy is the stay at home guy, but he also rotates through the middle, can play in the ruck and is highly agile. Hale (or Ceglar right now), is the secondary tall who can play in the ruck but is more of a forward option then a ruck. Gunston while some might say is a tall forward, I would classify him in the medium sized role. He also has the versatility to line up on a wing but he creates match-up problems and will always get the 3rd defender due to Hale being in the side. He is too quick and nimble for tall defenders but too big for most medium sized guys. Breust is the other medium sized forward, although he is on the shorter side, will Puopolo and Cyril are your small forwards that tackle and harass.
Port: Shulz is the stay at home, Hoff can ruck if need be, then it is a mix of medium/smalls in Gray, Wingard, Monfries and White. Gus and Chad create problems overhead for smaller defenders but use their quickness on taller opponents, their smalls are either able to burn off guys with pace (White) or are just brilliant when it hits the ground in trapping and creating (Gray, Wingard)
Swans: Tippett is the stay at home, Reid is the resting ruck. This is where Sydney are unique, while they are top heavy up front, Goodes and Buddy are so agile that they can push into the middle and can play as medium sized/crumbing options. What they do is create match-up issues in that forward line and exploit the opposition. There small forwards are generally their resting midfielder and Jetta. These guys tackle and create when the ball hits the ground
Currently we are ranked 7th but we will be 8th or 9th after Freo and Collingwood play
Our forward line tonight:
Thomas, Levi, Johnson
Ellard, Hendo, White
We lack two medium sized options and two smalls although one is currently out injured and the other is out of favour. We need to send Walker forward again. When our forward line was dangerous a couple years ago it looked like this
Walker, Waite, Armfield/Robbo
Betts, Hammer, Jeffy
The stay at home was Waite, the resting ruck was Hammer, Walker was the medium sized guy that created match-up issues, Armfield/Robbo were the other medium sized guy who was often used in a forward tag, Eddie and Jeffy were the smalls but Eddie normally commanded a taller defender since he would normally beat guys his size overhead. We have replacements for Waite and Hammer in those roles, but the medium sized guys are severely lacking on our list. We have one in Walker, we should use him there. I think come draft time, we don't look at the big power guys but someone that has a tank and some versatility as he would compliment the guys we already have and seems to fit the way the AFL is heading in terms of forward set ups.
I also find it quite ironic that Malthouse said earlier in the week that the Swans have great depth, potentially the best he has ever seen, yet delisted Laidler who was 'not good enough', but is now part of that depth and is firmly in their best 22 at the moment. The other thing I found ironic was him mentioning that Judd maybe should leave some in the tank when he retires, maybe he should have taken his own advice.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 12, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
The other thing I found ironic was him mentioning that Judd maybe should leave some in the tank when he retires, maybe he should have taken his own advice.
zzzzzzzzzzzzing! should definitely tweet that or something ;D
Quote from: brad on July 12, 2014, 11:35:08 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzing! should definitely tweet that or something ;D
Since I don't have Twitter someone else can do it for me
I don't have it either, someone please do it! tweet it to Mick
I heard last night Laidler took a couple shots at Mick in the pre-game. Does anyone know what he said? I am trying to find it
Also I had a read of this on my search
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jeremy-laidler-much-happier-at-sydney-swans-after-frustrating-end-to-spell-at-afl-rivals-carlton-blues-20140418-zqwer.html
This quote really bothers me reading it
QuoteWhen injury struck both player and club in 2012, Ratten said it was the hole created by Laidler's absence, due to a series of knee dislocations, which the ill-fated coach found the hardest to fill - high praise considering senior players Marc Murphy, Andrew Carrazzo and Jarrad Waite all missed long periods that year.
In contrast, Malthouse played Laidler in round two last year then consigned him to the VFL despite the player having strong support from the club's on-field leaders.
"It was pretty hard to be honest," said Laidler, who is an ambassador for charity Redkite.
"For Mick to come in, I wasn't sure how Mick was going to take me. I've heard his history, he's either all for you or all against you. I tried to do everything I could to get in the team, I had a lot of people trying to get me into the team, but I wasn't a part of his plans.
"I did a fair bit of work with the assistant coaches. I sat down with the leadership group as well and did ask them 'how do I get into the team?' I suppose they were a bit shocked I wasn't getting played, now I'm here.
Interesting article - I can't really remember but was Laidler consistently pressing for senior selection while at Carlton? (During Mick's time)
It is an older article (from April) but I think it is relevant considering Mick's latest comments about the Swans having the best depth he has ever seen. Laids was playing some solid footy in the reserves before he swung forward although he had always been a defender at AFL level. He has said that is when he knew he was no longer going to be getting games. He actually had a few good games as a forward where he kicked 3 goals or more. Both he and Duigan were both playing relatively good footy in the reserves and couldn't get games. Let's put it this way, Bootsma played 9 games last season while these guys were struggling to get a consistent gig even though stringing together consistent games at the lower level
Too proud to admit he was wrong maybe?
Either way it is disappointing.
The reserves got smashed today. The Head played forward and kicked 3.4 which could be a good sign. Waite, Holman and Buckley were all late outs. Cachia has a dodgy shoulder so he missed as well
Just saw all this, haha long read.
That Laidler quote is quite upsetting to be honest, especially towards the end. You feel for the guy, didn't do anything wrong but Mick didn't give him a chance. Good on him for doing well elsewhere, showed up Mick big time. Of course you'll never see an admission.
Interesting what you said about not needing a key forward. I think with that, there is too much resting on Levi & Hendo. Both have shown good potential and that they can be competitive, but to become a legitimate contender I think we need a gun in Patton/Cameron. I've got heaps of faith in Levi, if he gets his kicking right (which has improved) I'm convinced he will be a superstar. Good attitude as well. Garlett kicking goals for the seniors would go a long way. Going from 40 goals to flower all really hurts us. I don't want Waite coming in and pushing at future prospects, he can stay in the twos.
Waite apparently injured his calf again and that's why he missed.
Kreuzer should be back soon so we can take the unco off the field.
If we draft a big key forward, we need him to tackle and put some form of pressure on since Levi can be exploited at ground level even though he does try and chase and put pressure on (The Dempsey chase against Essendon a couple seasons ago stands out). This will also mean that Hendo goes back to CHB and hopefully Walker goes forward, meaning we are still one medium sized forward away. Menzel will play small hopefully with Jeffy and then the forward line is complete.
You also need to remember that with Henderson, he had the surgery just before the season started, they should have let him go through the reserves to build a fitness base up but rushed him back. He isn't right and you can tell. When Hendo is up and going he is damaging at both ends of the ground, he reads the ball so well and outbodies his opponents for contested grabs. Give him a preseason and there will be a huge difference in his performance.
When you look at teams not many have huge depth in key forwards and defenders. This is how I would rank our needs in order depending on where we choose to play Hendo
Hendo forward
Medium forward, small lockdown defender, key defender, pacey midfielder, small forward
Hendo back
key forward, medium forward, lockdown defender, pacey mid, small forward
Buckley would really help the side out right now because he is quick and uses the ball well, he is very similar to Simmo. You put Buckley on a back flank and you allow Simmo to go back into the guts where we are becoming very one paced with guys like McLean, Judd, Curnow (quick but not a run and carry guy), Carrots and Robbo. Gibbs isn't super quick but he is ahead of the play with his smarts and ball use.
Unco back to the VFL would be brilliant, Warnock is good depth, but he is not AFL caliber in a good team. He gets his hand to the ball but does NOTHING else. Plus with his hit outs he is not creative enough.
This is the tackle I am talking about. They show a replay after the Jeffy goal as well.
http://youtu.be/pyUCYx2bE6w?t=9m1s
The video also probably shows what I am talking about.
Armfield Cas, Walker
Betts, Waite, Jeffy
This is still one of my favourite games I have been to
Haha that is such a good play to watch. A side that beat Essendon so convincingly lost to them by 81 points this year. :'(
I actually had no idea about Henderson having surgery pre-season at all. Thought he was just having a bad year. :-X
Hmmm cannot think of many big power forwards who tackle that much. If not a big gun forward, what type of player would you like to see us target?
Hendo forward
Medium forward, small lockdown defender, key defender, pacey midfielder, small forward
Hendo back
key forward, medium forward, lockdown defender, pacey mid, small forward
The reason I have listed small defender as a need is because Tuohy has been in horrible form this year, the other two Irish guys have been good at VFL level, but how they will go in the big leagues will be interesting.
Giles is also a tall defender, so is McInnes but ideally you want them playing third tall much like Simon White. We could always swing Hendo back to a key post, which is why if we have Hendo forward I don't see it as a massive priority. We also still have the Head on the list.
We need someone like Roughy. Agile and can pressure but also a big marking target. JJK does it for West Coast as well when he is up and going. I don't think you can afford to carry two big guys that don't tackle or pressure the defenders when it hit's the ground. It just lets them play slingshot footy and already having Cas as the big guy we need an agile key forward.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lachie-henderson-to-have-minor-leg-surgery-20140128-31kri.html
That is the Hendo article, it actually put him out longer then they initially thought and happened right on the cusp of the pre-season games.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carltons-andrew-walker-out-for-season-20140714-zt775.html
Andrew Walker out for the season.
Dynamic Carlton defender Andrew Walker has been ruled out for the rest of the season because of a lingering knee injury.
Walker has had to manage the injury for most of the season and struggled to play on a weekly basis.
:'(
At least they are doing it early to so he will be ready for next season.
It might also explain his sketchy form if his knee has needed surgery for a while. He was a late out earlier in the year.
Yeah he has been very up and down this season, glad there was a legitimate reason for it. Also glad they are not risking it especially considering our season is dead.
It opens the door for some youth too which is nice. Buckley please.
Buckley was a late withdrawal at VFL level, but being an arm injury he could come straight back into the first's if he is good to go. It might also open up the door for Holman, Byrne and Sheehan.
I would like to see Buckley get another crack - He looks very promising
He is a good young player, the reason he hasn't been in the firsts is he injured his arm in Judd's return game in the VFL, it looked pretty bad when it happened, he came off and then came back on later in the quarter. He hasn't played since then with what they have labelled on the injury report as a scaphoid fracture. So he is also a tough little SOB.
Judd's having a press conference tomorrow at Visy. They announced it on the end of the Rush Hour. I am hoping it is not so he can announce his retirement. They also had Simmo as a guest on today.
Oh no. :-[
Please be re-signing Juddy!
I am hoping it is just routine and he is the player that will front the media this week. Either way, I have the day off so I am probably just going to sleep until after the conference and then wake up an be depressed.
Haha don't talk like that, it is probably just the usual fronting media.
Talk on twitter that is just a routine presser
Better be
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-16/judd-delays-decision
So he isn't retiring yet. He will make the decision at the end of the season
Just some more info on Walker, he injured his knee in the first pre-season game and they have been draining fluid from it for the majority of the season. He also said he fell on it awkwardly again against the Swans so he had to go in for surgery.
Just bought Wood into my AF #yolo #riskitforthebiscuit
Hahaha.
Yarran, Henderson and Robinson all playing their 100th game this week, hopefully we can put in a good performance.
Quote from: Vinny on July 18, 2014, 05:14:35 PM
Hahaha.
Yarran, Henderson and Robinson all playing their 100th game this week, hopefully we can put in a good performance.
Ellard playing his 50th too I believe.
Goldstein is going to destroy Carlton tonight. I am going to be recording the game and watch it when I get home.
Honestly reckon Sam Rowe has become a really good defender.
did you guys like Cameron Wood over Warnock?
Quote from: elephants on July 18, 2014, 02:16:25 PM
Just bought Wood into my AF #yolo #riskitforthebiscuit
I AM A GENIUS
I finished watching the game not long ago. I'll go through my thoughts tomorrow when I wake up
Quote from: NigeyS on July 18, 2014, 09:34:19 PM
Honestly reckon Sam Rowe has become a really good defender.
Agree Nigey Kept Petrie quiet and Petrie has been one of Norths main forawrds in recent weeks.
BLUEEEESS!
I agree Nige and Ringo, he has turned into a solid defender. He has had his bad and good this season but he is maturing nicely which is good to see. Taking more marks now than just spoiling too.
Happy with the game from the boys. Gibbs is a star, Yarran played a great game and Juddy is definitely good enough to play on. Seems Waite worked hard and will keep his spot, I will be happy if he continues to play like he did but he cannot just be hot and cold if he wants to play at Carlton next season. Sucks Everitt went down early but gave Graham a good chance, who was okay. Good sheppard and a goal at the end from him.
Wood didn't win the hit-out contest but I reckon he did decently around the ground. At least more than Warnock. Kreuzer should be only a couple away too plus we have Sandi/Griffin/Clarke with Freo next week.
Murphy had no attention the whole game really which was good, played decently. But had some bad moments with his kicking which was disappointing from a captain. Hopefully he can somewhat handle Crowley next week if he gets him.
Daw is good at getting hitouts though, probably better than average. Goldy too.
How much wood could Cameroon Wood chuck if Cameroon Wood could chuck wood?
Just a couple of observations from the game.
First and foremost, Jarrad Waite I love you.
Bryce is probably leading the B&F, since the Richmond game when he had a shocker he has probably been our best player. He is pushing for AA selection his year has been that good.
I am curious to see how we go against Freo, North lacked a defensive intensity that Freo bring every week. When you win the ball and tackle the way Carlton did against North you can beat most teams. Gibbs. Robbo, Murphy, Judd and Simmo were winning the hard ball and they had a few passages of play where there use by hand was brilliant. Freo won't be giving Carlton that time and space or the outlet option along half back to switch the ball.
While Robbo got reported again, I don't want him to change the way he plays. He is an enforcer and I love the way he goes about it. I want Carlton to start playing some unsociable football which they haven't done in a long time. When Robbo and Bell are in the team together I love it. They just look to hit anything in site.
The forward line seemed to function well. I still stand by what I said that we need sort of that medium sized agile guy that causes match up problems and tackles. Hendo and Levi can be your big marking forwards. Jarrad played that role extremely well, they tried playing a smaller defender on him at the start but he was too good in the air, they moved Thompson to him but he was too agile and pushed him up the ground while hurting him on the way back. He was also tackling and pinging guys once the ball hit the ground.
your thoughts on Cameron Wood, Mat?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 19, 2014, 03:22:01 PM
your thoughts on Cameron Wood, Mat?
Meh. He got touched up in the hitouts by Goldstein but he did a lot more around the ground then Warnock. Then again the trainers do more around the ground then Warnock. He will be out of the team when Kreuz is back hopefully in a couple of weeks.
Only needed him for a week while Sandi was out. Oh yeah 92 ya champ!
I went on Bigfooty to see the VFL results/who played since it is easier the sifting through the Twitter. My god they are delusional over there. That place is going to give me an aneurysm.
They have a rumor thread, some of the gems in that thread include
QuoteDermott rates Boyd very very highly (not that Derm's view means a heck of a lot), but looking at Boyd, he has the physique, he has had a year to adjust in the system. If he wants to come home Carlton is a potentially great option;
1. We have great facilities - Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong, Essendon do so as well... His manager is hopefully smart enough to get him to stay away from Essendon. Collingwood could be interested, Hawthorn might be but are after something else as is Geelong.
2. He was a Blues supporter... fly Judd over to Sydney and allow Boyd to touch his butt as much as he likes. Send Sticks out as well with all the appropriate propoganda material. Far out, maybe give his dad an executive role at Visy?
3. Opportunities - at Carlton he'd probably play most weeks next year, as would he at StKilda and Bulldogs and maybe Richmond. Wouldn't get much opportunity at Essendon, Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn. Don't know if Roos would play him fully either (also who knows if Roos will be around in 2016).
4. Big crowds... bar Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond we do get good crowds especially when we play well.
If our people rate him highly I would give GWS pick 1 & either one of the following:
Pick 3 for a trade of their pick 4
Two of Lucas/McClean/Ellard/Waite/Watson
One of Kreuzer/Warnock/Armfield/McInnes/Graham
:o
This is a trade they would offer up for Tom Boyd. The number 1 pick in last years draft. The only player with value listed there is Kreuzer. How does Armfield/McInnes/Warnock/Graham have equal trade value to Kreuzer :o
Maybe he needs to go back home and play the AFL game if the trade works on that.
QuoteThomas was serviceable last night. 14 touches at 100% means we need to get the ball into his hands more often.
Will benefit from actually playing footy this year and hopefully getting a pre-season under his belt.
How many of Daisy's touches were over 15 meters? The reason he had such a high disposal efficiency is because he is kicking the ball 15 every time he gets it.
QuoteI don't want a Vince who cost them pick 23. He turns 29 this year. That's as bad as trading for Dawes who still drops uncontested marks on the lead. Or paying for Crameri who is a 26 year old crab with ASADA waiting.
Yes to more trades that secured Everitt and Docherty. Plus free agents like Thomas.
Also most of the threads are marked opposition supporters not welcome........where the hell is the fun in that?
So Buckley and Cachia apparently got injured and Buckley might miss the rest of the season. MOTHER F'ERS.
Jeffy also had a shocker and did nothing.
It looks like a hamstring for Buckley.
Hahaha BigFooty, trust.
Buckley :'(
The best thing is watching them attempt to make video game-esque trades and pass them off as legit. They must have been dropped on their heads as children.
Maybe we can trade Dennis Armfield, Brock McLean, Robbie Warnock, Cam Wood, Watson, Lucas, our 3rd round pick, Blaine Johnson, Tom Temay and David Ellard for Ablett, Boyd, Bennell, Prestia, Dixon and Mummy. I think that's a fair trade. GWS and GC can split those guys between them
Can we talk what Jeffy is worth?
Tell me I'm not crazy thinking 2nd rounder/early 3rd
I'd say 2nd rounder considering what he can do when he is firing. In his career has kicked: 43, 29, 48, 39.
He is only 25 and I'd like to keep him but if he is doing flower all in the 2s, he can't be given senior games. :-\
He's worth a packet of chips at the moment.
^
Early third atm.
Kicked more goals than Bally, Breust, Darling and Monfries (and way more) in 2013. I think you'd be silly to offer a packet of chips for him. That's just me though.
Quote from: Master Q on July 20, 2014, 11:09:56 PM
Kicked more goals than Bally, Breust, Darling and Monfries (and way more) in 2013. I think you'd be silly to offer a packet of chips for him. That's just me though.
I don't know man, depends on the flavour if you ask me.
The fact he isn't playing a game atm makes him lose all his value though.
Laidler would be worth a 2nd/3rd round pick now but Malthouse basically made him worth nothing
Quote from: Master Q on July 20, 2014, 11:09:56 PM
Kicked more goals than Bally, Breust, Darling and Monfries (and way more) in 2013. I think you'd be silly to offer a packet of chips for him. That's just me though.
This man...
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 20, 2014, 11:16:59 PM
The fact he isn't playing a game atm makes him lose all his value though.
Laidler would be worth a 2nd/3rd round pick now but Malthouse basically made him worth nothing
Also with all respect to Garlett because as you guys mentioned he has kicked goals in the past, but small forwards kind of come a dime a dozen.
I'd rather Malthouse actually give him a go first but he might just end up free agency to somewhere else
As much as I'm skeptical, I wouldn't mind Jeffy given a run over at WCE.. ;)
He is worth more then Hammer and Richmond gave us pick 28 for him. I wouldn't want to let him go but if we did, he would generate something between pick 20-30.
Mmm, AFL experienced rucks are much harder to find than small forwards though...
And yet Adelaide just paid (and North offered) 600k for Eddie who didn't have the best season last year. Jeffy is worth more then Hammer. Going by that he commands an equal or better pick
Everyone is well aware that Betts is severely overpaid. Only kicks goals when Adelaide's midfield are dominating against weaker sides.
Everyone is also aware that Hampson was well overpaid considering the circumstances. Garlett is simply not worth that much
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 12:00:12 AM
Everyone is well aware that Betts is severely overpaid. Only kicks goals when Adelaide's midfield are dominating against weaker sides.
Everyone is also aware that Hampson was well overpaid considering the circumstances. Garlett is simply not worth that much
+100
There seems to be a trend in teams overpaying for players. Betts, Hampson and Thomas are the clear (and stinging) examples from last year. Who says another team doesn't overpay for Jeffy? One lacking a creative small forward. Someone like the GCS that need someone to crumb at the feet of Dixon, Lynch and Day and has a plethora of young talent/draft picks might throw something like pick 25 at Carlton for him
Eddie also does more then what people give him credit for, we are talking about a specialist small forward, he rarely goes in the guts and still finds ways to impact games on the scoreboard through goals he kicks or through goals he sets up. He leads the league in it was either goal assists or score involvements the last 5 years. Carlton are missing him
We offered Carlton a high pick for Hapmson because we were desperate for a back up ruckman.
Ruckman don't go on trees plus take a long time to develop. It's all about finding a club that's desperate for a player that will pay overs to secure them.
Garlett is a better player than Hampson but you won't get as a high a pick for him. There's plenty of small forwards around.
In saying that I wouldn't mind Richmond picking him up.
Sometimes players like him just need a fresh start
So in saying that desperation creates a market, name a better specialist crumbing small forward at Brisbane, Essendon, Melbourne, Saints, Richmond and West Coast (LeCras is a medium sized guy)? North are still desperate to pair someone with Thomas, GCS would like one so Harley can spend more time in the guts and Matera has had injury issues. A few of those teams wwould be hesitant and rather develop their own guys, but someone like Richmond, North or WC might give up their second round pick if it got to a bidding war. They all also have a history in overpaying for players
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
There seems to be a trend in teams overpaying for players. Betts, Hampson and Thomas are the clear (and stinging) examples from last year. Who says another team doesn't overpay for Jeffy? One lacking a creative small forward. Someone like the GCS that need someone to crumb at the feet of Dixon, Lynch and Day and has a plethora of young talent/draft picks might throw something like pick 25 at Carlton for him
Eddie also does more then what people give him credit for, we are talking about a specialist small forward, he rarely goes in the guts and still finds ways to impact games on the scoreboard through goals he kicks or through goals he sets up. He leads the league in it was either goal assists or score involvements the last 5 years. Carlton are missing him
Gold Coast have only traded for one player though and only traded out one player. They'd rather take a punt on one of the 10 high quality small forwards in the draft than trade for Garlett.
If Carlton are more than happy to let him go that just makes his value worse. Sydney lost all of Mumford, Everitt and Jesse White for a fraction of what they were worth because they wanted them to go.
Obviously different scenario given that was cap based, but same principle.
As for Betts, I'm sure he's missed at the Blues, but he hasn't really impacted Adelaide's standing in the AFL considering his price tag
Gold Coast are starting to push for finals, just because they haven't made trades in the past doesn't mean they won't start now. They are going to struggle to keep all these young guys coming off contracts at the same time. It doesn't mean they will be trading any of these guns for someone like Garlett, but the stockpiling of picks will also allow them to trade for guys coming into their prime that are going to help them push into that next level. Watching their games, they lack a crumbing forward. Matera is good when he is there, so is Bennell, but they want both of those guys rotating through the guts with Jack Martin. Hall has been hit and miss and Sumner is useless, Garlett is a huge upgrade over both of those guys.
Mummy walked in FA for a big contract, Everitt was a throw away to make room for Buddy and White was not hanging around for the same reason, different circumstances
There is a demand for a player of Garlett's caliber, the best situation for Carlton is a team pushing for finals throws them a 2nd rounder to outbid a rival team for his services. What might screw Carlton over is the fact he is coming out of contract and is not in a position to be an eligible FA. He could walk and enter the draft which leaves Carlton with effectively nothing
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 12:22:29 AM
So in saying that desperation creates a market, name a better specialist crumbing small forward at Brisbane, Essendon, Melbourne, Saints, Richmond and West Coast (LeCras is a medium sized guy)? North are still desperate to pair someone with Thomas, GCS would like one so Harley can spend more time in the guts and Matera has had injury issues. A few of those teams wwould be hesitant and rather develop their own guys, but someone like Richmond, North or WC might give up their second round pick if it got to a bidding war. They all also have a history in overpaying for players
That's irrelevant though, Hampson isn't a better ruckman than most teams have but we needed a ruckman and there aren't many ruckman around so were willing to use a higher pick than he was worth. There's no demand for small forwards. They can be created. I have no doubt teams will go after him but I very much doubt anyone would pay a high price for him.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 12:00:12 AM
Everyone is well aware that Betts is severely overpaid. Only kicks goals when Adelaide's midfield are dominating against weaker sides.
Not sure where you get that from...
Round 2 vs Port Adelaide: 4 goals
Round 13 vs North: 3 goals
Round 14 vs Essendon: 3 goals
Round 15 vs. Port Adelaide: 4 goals
So that's 4 of his 6 highest bags of goals this year, all against good sides.
Yeah I said the Swans players left under different circumstances but its the same principle. Not getting games = less value.
The demand isn't going to be big, maybe 2-3 clubs would consider him a worthwhile player to grab and you'd be very lucky to find one that would give you a 2nd round pick for him.
Small midfield/forwards are absolutely everywhere every trade period. Off the top of my head guys like Matt White, Polec, Nahas, Chapman, Byrnes, Pearce, Knights, Edwards, Dennis-Lane.
Every single one of those guys either had potential before or after they were traded to be pretty big players and they all went for 3rd rounders or less
Quote from: Jayman on July 21, 2014, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 12:00:12 AM
Everyone is well aware that Betts is severely overpaid. Only kicks goals when Adelaide's midfield are dominating against weaker sides.
Not sure where you get that from...
Round 2 vs Port Adelaide: 4 goals
Round 13 vs North: 3 goals
Round 14 vs Essendon: 3 goals
Round 15 vs. Port Adelaide: 4 goals
So that's 4 of his 6 highest bags of goals this year, all against good sides.
All I can see is 600k spent and Adelaide hasn't moved from where it was last year
Quote from: quinny88 on July 21, 2014, 12:56:44 AM
That's irrelevant though, Hampson isn't a better ruckman than most teams have but we needed a ruckman and there aren't many ruckman around so were willing to use a higher pick than he was worth. There's no demand for small forwards. They can be created. I have no doubt teams will go after him but I very much doubt anyone would pay a high price for him.
It's not irrelevant when so many teams are in need of one. Since 2010 the list of small forwards to kick over 40 goals.
Betts, Garlett, Didak, Milne, Gia, Jetta, Breust, Walters, Motlop, Wingard, Thomas and I will throw in LeCras.
Ballantyne, Betts and Thomas look like the only guys to do it this year and Ballantyne is the only guy that hasn't done it before.
The list is not that big. Going into next season 3 of those guys are retired which leaves 10 small forwards to have kicked over 40 goals. If you want to include Stevie J and Gaz, that list goes up to 12. Jeffy is the only one that looks to be available which then makes him the best available in his position. 40 goal a year small forwards are not easily created. If North were willing to offer 600k to land Eddie Betts, why would they not offer up a second round pick for Garlett?
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Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 12:00:12 AM
Everyone is well aware that Betts is severely overpaid. Only kicks goals when Adelaide's midfield are dominating against weaker sides.
Not sure where you get that from...
Round 2 vs Port Adelaide: 4 goals
Round 13 vs North: 3 goals
Round 14 vs Essendon: 3 goals
Round 15 vs. Port Adelaide: 4 goals
So that's 4 of his 6 highest bags of goals this year, all against good sides.
All I can see is 600k spent and Adelaide hasn't moved from where it was last year
Yeah, because Eddie is the only factor in that... Without him we'd be even worse! Costs a lot to get guys to move interstate, it was a good move from the club to get him.
I was mainly disagreeing with the point about him only kicking goals against bad sides.
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Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 01:21:28 AM
Quote from: Jayman on July 21, 2014, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 12:00:12 AM
Everyone is well aware that Betts is severely overpaid. Only kicks goals when Adelaide's midfield are dominating against weaker sides.
Not sure where you get that from...
Round 2 vs Port Adelaide: 4 goals
Round 13 vs North: 3 goals
Round 14 vs Essendon: 3 goals
Round 15 vs. Port Adelaide: 4 goals
So that's 4 of his 6 highest bags of goals this year, all against good sides.
All I can see is 600k spent and Adelaide hasn't moved from where it was last year
Yeah, because Eddie is the only factor in that... Without him we'd be even worse! Costs a lot to get guys to move interstate, it was a good move from the club to get him.
I was mainly disagreeing with the point about him only kicking goals against bad sides.
That was something I added without thinking, but my point was when Adelaide does it tough he goes missing
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 01:21:28 AM
All I can see is 600k spent and Adelaide hasn't moved from where it was last year
Their forward line has improved, they were sitting around 11th last year in points scored, at the start of this round they were sitting 4th. Eddie is doing what they are paying him to do. He has kicked the 2nd most goals of any small forward in the league and is tied 6th in the league in goal assists. He might not be worth 600k, but he is one of the best in the league in an area Adelaide were severely struggling.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 01:20:24 AM
Yeah I said the Swans players left under different circumstances but its the same principle. Not getting games = less value.
The demand isn't going to be big, maybe 2-3 clubs would consider him a worthwhile player to grab and you'd be very lucky to find one that would give you a 2nd round pick for him.
Small midfield/forwards are absolutely everywhere every trade period. Off the top of my head guys like Matt White, Polec, Nahas, Chapman, Byrnes, Pearce, Knights, Edwards, Dennis-Lane.
Every single one of those guys either had potential before or after they were traded to be pretty big players and they all went for 3rd rounders or less
Polec is a midfielder and still netted Brisbane a few upgrades in terms of picks, Chappy is old and broken down, Knights has had injury issues and was a free agent, Pearce was a FA and the others are not even in the same league as Jeffy.
You seriously can not compare guys like Byrnes, Nahas and Trent Dennis-Lane to Jeffy
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 01:27:34 AM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 01:21:28 AM
All I can see is 600k spent and Adelaide hasn't moved from where it was last year
Their forward line has improved, they were sitting around 11th last year in points scored, at the start of this round they were sitting 4th. Eddie is doing what they are paying him to do. He has kicked the 2nd most goals of any small forward in the league and is tied 6th in the league in goal assists. He might not be worth 600k, but he is one of the best in the league in an area Adelaide were severely struggling.
Without him our forward line would be relatively lifeless. He is a quality player. Would rather overpay for him a little than for him to not come over at all. Only criticism could be that he is sometimes too unselfish and should look for the goals a bit more often. I think he'll only improve as Tex improves too.
You could look at it the other way too. Last year Carlton had Eddie they made the 8 and now without him they are 13th.
Carlton average score 2013: 96
Carlton average score 2014: 89
Maybe isn't much but you'd have to say losing Eddie is a factor in that -7 differential.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 01:34:34 AM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 01:20:24 AM
Yeah I said the Swans players left under different circumstances but its the same principle. Not getting games = less value.
The demand isn't going to be big, maybe 2-3 clubs would consider him a worthwhile player to grab and you'd be very lucky to find one that would give you a 2nd round pick for him.
Small midfield/forwards are absolutely everywhere every trade period. Off the top of my head guys like Matt White, Polec, Nahas, Chapman, Byrnes, Pearce, Knights, Edwards, Dennis-Lane.
Every single one of those guys either had potential before or after they were traded to be pretty big players and they all went for 3rd rounders or less
Polec is a midfielder and still netted Brisbane a few upgrades in terms of picks, Chappy is old and broken down, Knights has had injury issues and was a free agent, Pearce was a FA and the others are not even in the same league as Jeffy.
You seriously can not compare guys like Byrnes, Nahas and Trent Dennis-Lane to Jeffy
That's my point. How is he in a different league when he can't get games at a club currently coming 13th? When is that going to be a 2nd round draft pick?
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 01:40:59 AM
That's my point. How is he in a different league when he can't get games at a club currently coming 13th? When is that going to be a 2nd round draft pick?
He might be currently out of favour, but he still has runs on the board. He is turning 25 and has kicked 40 plus goals on multiple occasions. That is elite for his position. You can't compare him to career fringe guys in Dennis-Lane and and Shannon Byrnes. That is just ridiculous.
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That's irrelevant though, Hampson isn't a better ruckman than most teams have but we needed a ruckman and there aren't many ruckman around so were willing to use a higher pick than he was worth. There's no demand for small forwards. They can be created. I have no doubt teams will go after him but I very much doubt anyone would pay a high price for him.
It's not irrelevant when so many teams are in need of one. Since 2010 the list of small forwards to kick over 40 goals.
Betts, Garlett, Didak, Milne, Gia, Jetta, Breust, Walters, Motlop, Wingard, Thomas and I will throw in LeCras.
Ballantyne, Betts and Thomas look like the only guys to do it this year and Ballantyne is the only guy that hasn't done it before.
The list is not that big. Going into next season 3 of those guys are retired which leaves 10 small forwards to have kicked over 40 goals. If you want to include Stevie J and Gaz, that list goes up to 12. Jeffy is the only one that looks to be available which then makes him the best available in his position. 40 goal a year small forwards are not easily created. If North were willing to offer 600k to land Eddie Betts, why would they not offer up a second round pick for Garlett?
Yes and if he was traded after a 40 goal season I'm sure he would go for probably an early 2nd round pick but he's not that this year. He's not getting games and has been poor when he has played.
It's this reason that teams play players late in a season that they plan to trade to build up their worth before off loading them (like Sydney did with Jesse White). If he's not getting games teams will see him as Carlton waste that they believe they can get for next to nothing and fit into their side. If the blues want a 2nd rounder for him then they might want to get him into the side.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-looking-to-sign-outoffavour-swan-tom-mitchell-set-to-gain-steven-trigg-as-new-ceo/story-fni5f5nx-1226996535239?nk=bde876fbecced76c791b9800aa59aeeb
QuoteMitchell, 21, is tied to the Swans until the end of 2016 but is struggling to get a game for the premiership favourites.
The Blues have been pursuing the highly-rated midfielder and were surprised to learn that Sydney, which enjoys a controversial $1 million salary cap bonus, is paying him more than $400,000 a season.
Mitchell joined the Swans under the AFL's father-son rule in 2011 and had a breakout season last year.
Injuries and opportunity have restricted him to just four games this year and he has strong family links to Visy Park.
The thought of this happening, I won't lie, it moved.
His Dad played for Carlton and he was scheduled to become the coach in 07 before the plan backfired and they were forced to keep Pagan due to a lack of money.
QuoteMitchell Sr said he was not aware of Carlton
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 21, 2014, 11:36:21 PM
QuoteMitchell Sr said he was not aware of Carlton
the quote thing strikes again
Damn I thought I checked it after I posted to see if it worked. Must of forgot :o
Pfft forget Carlton. Come home Tom.
Quote from: elephants on July 22, 2014, 12:37:54 AM
Pfft forget Carlton. Come home Tom.
but not to WCE ;)
the more I think about it, I am open to the idea, but honestly cant see it happening.
What do the Blues have to give that the Swans will want. He is contracted until 2016 so it can only happen as a trade.
reports of being paid $400k also seem pretty high, and if thats the case means the Swans rate him, and will be loathe to let him go.
Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
the more I think about it, I am open to the idea, but honestly cant see it happening.
What do the Blues have to give that the Swans will want. He is contracted until 2016 so it can only happen as a trade.
reports of being paid $400k also seem pretty high, and if thats the case means the Swans rate him, and will be loathe to let him go.
i heard he is getting that much because GWS were offering him around the same before he got drafted
I'd love Tom Mitchell but I am not sure about 400k per season.
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Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
the more I think about it, I am open to the idea, but honestly cant see it happening.
What do the Blues have to give that the Swans will want. He is contracted until 2016 so it can only happen as a trade.
reports of being paid $400k also seem pretty high, and if thats the case means the Swans rate him, and will be loathe to let him go.
i heard he is getting that much because GWS were offering him around the same before he got drafted
But his contract is from well after he got drafted? Not really sure that's why
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 22, 2014, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
the more I think about it, I am open to the idea, but honestly cant see it happening.
What do the Blues have to give that the Swans will want. He is contracted until 2016 so it can only happen as a trade.
reports of being paid $400k also seem pretty high, and if thats the case means the Swans rate him, and will be loathe to let him go.
i heard he is getting that much because GWS were offering him around the same before he got drafted
But his contract is from well after he got drafted? Not really sure that's why
from memory he signed a new contract (for 4 years) mid way through his first season (2013) as a way to keep him away from prying fingers......
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Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 22, 2014, 05:29:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 22, 2014, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
the more I think about it, I am open to the idea, but honestly cant see it happening.
What do the Blues have to give that the Swans will want. He is contracted until 2016 so it can only happen as a trade.
reports of being paid $400k also seem pretty high, and if thats the case means the Swans rate him, and will be loathe to let him go.
i heard he is getting that much because GWS were offering him around the same before he got drafted
But his contract is from well after he got drafted? Not really sure that's why
from memory he signed a new contract (for 4 years) mid way through his first season (2012) as a way to keep him away from prying fingers......
I swear he signed on again right after debut.... there would have been more of a big deal made if he'd signed before playing.
Quote from: Ziplock on July 22, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 22, 2014, 05:29:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 22, 2014, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
the more I think about it, I am open to the idea, but honestly cant see it happening.
What do the Blues have to give that the Swans will want. He is contracted until 2016 so it can only happen as a trade.
reports of being paid $400k also seem pretty high, and if thats the case means the Swans rate him, and will be loathe to let him go.
i heard he is getting that much because GWS were offering him around the same before he got drafted
But his contract is from well after he got drafted? Not really sure that's why
from memory he signed a new contract (for 4 years) mid way through his first season (2012) as a way to keep him away from prying fingers......
I swear he signed on again right after debut.... there would have been more of a big deal made if he'd signed before playing.
Didn't play for any of 2012 because of injury, contract expires end of 2013 but after half a dozen strong games he got a new 4 year one
Quote from: Ziplock on July 22, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on July 22, 2014, 05:29:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 22, 2014, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on July 22, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
the more I think about it, I am open to the idea, but honestly cant see it happening.
What do the Blues have to give that the Swans will want. He is contracted until 2016 so it can only happen as a trade.
reports of being paid $400k also seem pretty high, and if thats the case means the Swans rate him, and will be loathe to let him go.
i heard he is getting that much because GWS were offering him around the same before he got drafted
But his contract is from well after he got drafted? Not really sure that's why
from memory he signed a new contract (for 4 years) mid way through his first season (2013) as a way to keep him away from prying fingers......
I swear he signed on again right after debut.... there would have been more of a big deal made if he'd signed before playing.
Sorry my post is wrong should be 2013 - not 2012 (now edited away)
Yeah that sounds bout right. Debut rnd 10 after two 50+ games in the NEAFL
Also, just to clarify. Titch is still injured and not in line for any football this week.
Quote from: Ricochet on July 22, 2014, 09:09:45 AM
Quote from: elephants on July 22, 2014, 12:37:54 AM
Pfft forget Carlton. Come home Tom.
but not to WCE ;)
No way are we letting you wreck him like you wrecked Sylvia :P
Quote from: Vinny on July 22, 2014, 05:25:09 PM
I'd love Tom Mitchell but I am not sure about 400k per season.
I'd love Tom Mitchell and I am sure about 400k a season :P
Quote from: Vinny on July 22, 2014, 05:25:09 PM
I'd love Tom Mitchell but I am not sure about 400k per season.
I may be wrong, but under the AFL rules, we don't have to pay the full contract of that 400k. Sydney would be responsible for whatever we choose not to pay of that 400k. Carlton has been stung in the past with this rule. We have traded players to other clubs and still been forced to pay out part of the contract to make up the difference. The Fev trade was one of those cases, I think we were on the hook for 200k total and it happened in the trade for Corey McKernan. The players we traded to North, I think we had to pay their contracts and then when we traded McKernan we were also forking out cash for his contract. So while he may be contracted and if a trade did occur, we may only have to pay say 200k season 1 with Sydney footing the extra 200k. That could work it's way to us paying the full 400k at the back end of that contract.
Well obviously Sydney wouldn't facilitate a trade then
cant he just quit and go in the draft?
Well if his reported price tag is true, maybe they should not have offered 400k to a guy after playing a few games while also going out and signing two guys to big money long term deals. If it comes down to it and Sydney are hard up for money in the cap, they might not have a choice. 200k off the books is enough to replace him with a decent role player looking for a shot at a premiership on the cheap. If Mitchell is not willing to restructure and wants out, it's not like they have much of a choice. I can think of one Melbourne team with lots of cap room that might come knocking
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 22, 2014, 09:30:45 PM
cant he just quit and go in the draft?
He is contracted, if he quits he breaks the contract which brings on other issues.
With our new CEO and history of salary cap cheating I am sure they will find a way to accommodate the money ::)
Sydney have an unlimited salary cap though so paying out Mitchells contract won't be an issue.
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Bad news for Blues: Dylan Buckley out for 3-4 weeks with a hamstring and Andrejs Everitt gone for a month with a knee injury
Quote from: elephants on July 22, 2014, 10:00:29 PM
Sydney have an unlimited salary cap though so paying out Mitchells contract won't be an issue.
ain't that the truth
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Quote from: elephants on July 22, 2014, 10:00:29 PM
Sydney have an unlimited salary cap though so paying out Mitchells contract won't be an issue.
ain't that the truth
Back in your box. Both of Ya!
Quote from: Ricochet on July 23, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
3AW Football @3AWisfootball 4m
Bad news for Blues: Dylan Buckley out for 3-4 weeks with a hamstring and Andrejs Everitt gone for a month with a knee injury
Fantastic. Everitt was having a great season too.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 22, 2014, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: Vinny on July 22, 2014, 05:25:09 PM
I'd love Tom Mitchell but I am not sure about 400k per season.
I may be wrong, but under the AFL rules, we don't have to pay the full contract of that 400k. Sydney would be responsible for whatever we choose not to pay of that 400k. Carlton has been stung in the past with this rule. We have traded players to other clubs and still been forced to pay out part of the contract to make up the difference. The Fev trade was one of those cases, I think we were on the hook for 200k total and it happened in the trade for Corey McKernan. The players we traded to North, I think we had to pay their contracts and then when we traded McKernan we were also forking out cash for his contract. So while he may be contracted and if a trade did occur, we may only have to pay say 200k season 1 with Sydney footing the extra 200k. That could work it's way to us paying the full 400k at the back end of that contract.
That is interesting hmmm, but yeah like MM said. Sydney would be stupid to do a trade in that situation.
More than the financial aspect, because I don't think he'd get a significant amount more than 400k at another club, its up to Mitchell to decide.
If he's fed up with Sydney, they'll probably trade him, otherwise I couldn't see him leaving
definitely keen on Mitchell, for what we r paying daisy 400k is a steal
Footy show preview says a "gun Carlton player has sat down with another club"
Anyone know who it is? ...I can't think of any Carlton guns anyway :P
It's either Waite or Jeffy. Both are out of contract at the end of the season
Yeah probably Jeffy I reckon.
Apparently we are in talks with Higgins, thoughts?
He'd be like 400k a season and is 27 next year.
Jeffy is a gun? Who knew?
Quote from: Vinny on July 30, 2014, 10:02:18 PM
Yeah probably Jeffy I reckon.
Apparently we are in talks with Higgins, thoughts?
He'd be like 400k a season and is 27 next year.
As I said in the Dogs thread
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The player is Waite, he met with North a couple weeks back when playing in the VFL then came out and destroyed them.
Robbo has also put off contract talks until the end of the year.
Fev is also Bill's event manager on the pub crawl.
And it looks like the pub crawl is already off. They couldn't make it out of the first pub. Fev gave Purple the pressure point move which was brilliant.
Jeffy to WCE... ;)
Quote from: elephants on July 30, 2014, 11:19:55 PM
Jeffy to WCE... ;)
Might wanna rookie draft him. Ya know, Jarrad Oakley Nicholls and all... :P
Quote from: elephants on July 30, 2014, 11:19:55 PM
Jeffy to WCEFreo... ;)
Come home to play with your Swan District boys Clancee and SonSon mate.
Quote from: NigeyS on July 31, 2014, 09:20:19 AM
Quote from: elephants on July 30, 2014, 11:19:55 PM
Jeffy to WCE... ;)
Might wanna rookie draft him. Ya know, Jarrad Oakley Nicholls and all... :P
Haha, you're saying he's on par with JON :o
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: elephants on July 30, 2014, 11:19:55 PM
Jeffy to WCEFreo... ;)
Come home to play with your Swan District boys Clancee and SonSon mate.
He won't be getting games Balla or Walters so why would he :P
Quote from: elephants on July 31, 2014, 10:21:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: elephants on July 30, 2014, 11:19:55 PM
Jeffy to WCEFreo... ;)
Come home to play with your Swan District boys Clancee and SonSon mate.
He won't be getting games Balla or Walters so why would he :P
we'd fit him in ;)
come to think of it we might as well make a play for Nicnat and Bennell, grab Banfield for a packet of chips and steal Nev Jetta as well, and reunite all the boys from that colts team. NicNat, Walters, CPearce, Yarran, Bennell, Jetta, Banfield... not a bad draft year for the one club.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carlton/news/2014-08-05/hendersons-season-over
The season is over for Carlton's Lachie Henderson after he sustained an injury in the dying minutes of Thursday night's match against Fremantle at Patersons Stadium.
Scans have revealed Henderson has suffered an orbital and frontal sinus fracture to his face.
Mick just announced at his presser that Ciaran Sheehan will debut this week
Quote from: Ricochet on August 06, 2014, 10:26:58 AM
Mick just announced at his presser that Ciaran Sheehan will debut this week
he had a great kick on him, low left foot bullets 8)
The last month or so has been positive, we should
always play with this level of competitiveness!
Did Kreuz end up playing in the VFL on the weekend?
Quote from: Mat0369 on August 18, 2014, 07:49:21 PM
Did Kreuz end up playing in the VFL on the weekend?
Yep. :)
Carlton ruckman Matthew Kreuzer emerged unscathed from his first hit-out since round one for the Northern Blues in their 65-point loss to Port Melbourne at Preston City Oval on Saturday, as the VFL final eight took a compelling twist.
The No. 1 pick from the 2007 AFL draft, who has been sidelined with a broken foot, said he was likely to play mainly as a forward for the remainder of the season, but planned to build his fitness and match play over the pre-season in order to play primarily as a ruckman again next season. In promising signs, Kreuzer moved freely around the half forward line before pinch-hitting in the ruck alongside out-of-favour ruckman Robbie Warnock. He played 50 per cent game time, split over four quarters, finishing with 10 disposals, three marks, three hard-ball gets, three clearances, one inside 50 and 12 hitouts. He had only one scoring shot, in the second term, which was a behind.
Garlett also had 18 touches and ''showed plenty of touch.''
Cripps 25 touches, 17 contestant.
He won't play again this year unless they deem Levi's past 4 weeks as bad enough to drop him and play Kreuz as the FF.
really good news about Kruez 8)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-likely-to-lose-jarrad-waite-to-club-immediately-contending-for-afl-premiership/story-fni5f5nx-1227040644499
If this happens I will cry.
Don't think he'd be going to a side pushing for a flag unless Freo are interested
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on August 29, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
Don't think he'd be going to a side pushing for a flag unless Freo are interested
Any particular reason you think that? Geelong could use another tall forward to help out Hawkins.
Yeah I guess Geelong as well, I kinda discount them though because I think they're a step off the pace. They could certainly use a tall though
i got something you guys might like it is what i'd try to do
Robbo + Pick 6
for
Pick 2/3
whoever is interested out of Melbourne or GWS
They'd have a better chance of making a deal if it was just pick 6 for pick 2/3
A mate sent me a text earlier today that the Dogs have apparently given Levi a big contract offer. I am not sure where he saw it but we are F'ed
Outs in McInnes, Cachia and potentially Levi, Robbo, Waite and Jeffy is not good.
and a link to the Levi story after quickly Googling his name
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/levi-casboult-being-targeted-by-western-bulldogs-collingwood-confident-on-tyson-goldsack/story-fn69a32t-1227045533263?nk=f51014d559a7b5c942205583c4f3e96e
Considering he is out of contract we have 0 leverage. He could walk to any of Saints/Melbourne/GWS/Lions/Dogs
You'd think the Dogs would play the hardest for his services.
Once the guy can convert all those marks he takes, he's going to be a beast.
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NEW DEALS - @CarltonFC forward Levi Casboult agrees new two-year contract with club as Nick Graham re-signs until end of 2016 #AFL season
That is good. The last thing we need is a mass exodus.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 28, 2014, 06:11:46 PM
Not really relevant to Carlton, but the AFL anti doping board dismissed ASADA's appeal on former Northern Bullants and St. Kilda footballer Ahmed Saad's 18 month suspension. ASADA wanted to extend the ban, but Saad is now free to be drafted at the end of this season and resume training in January next year with his new club in hopes of playing again. I really liked Saad when he was with the Bullants, I think Carlton should look at giving him a shot although I think the Saints will likely redraft him. He would give us another small forward option along with Jeff and Menzel.
So this just became relevant. Purple just reported on the Footy Show that Mick met with Saad. That is probably not a good sign for Jeffy's future either if we are looking at bringing him in although I still think he would be a good pick up in terms of insurance.
Glad there are clubs willing to give him a 2nd shot
Higgins at 500k? Get flowered.
I was a huge fan of his when he played at the Bullants, he deserves another shot, with the new administration at the Saints he might not be under consideration anymore, I would like to give him a rookie spot
Quote from: Vinny on September 04, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
Higgins at 500k? Get flowered.
fixed that for you Vinny
back off Saad. he's coming back home :P
Apparently Barrett reckons Carlton should ask Fev to return to the club and teach Levi to kick straight.
We should get the guy in that helped Fev with his kicking
BT!!!!!
This is from the AFL wrap up on the Crows.
Surprise packet: Eddie Betts
The former Carlton star's class was well known before he joined the Crows, but few could have predicted he would have made the impact he did in his first season. Betts led Adelaide's goal kicking with 51 majors and led the AFL for goal assists (29). His contribution was recognised by Sanderson, with Betts taking out the coaches' award.
I think this shows how much the Betts loss hurt over the course of the season. The man was responsible for 80 goals in Adelaide this year. What hurts is we got 0 compensation for him since they signed Thomas meaning it cancelled out. He was also important in keeping Jeff/Robbo/Yaz in line. He was really close with all of them and a leader at the club.
JJK, Jacobs, Betts. :'(
Probably will happen if we let Waite, Robbo or Jeffy go.
We have lost some top end talent the last 5 years. We need to make sure this offseason we don't go after any washed up players aka Higgins and just focus on youth. It goes back a long way, we traded a pick back at the end of 1999 for Michael Mansfield who was pretty much cooked. It was pick 31 in the draft which ended up being Paul Chapman. Then after the draft picks being taken away at the end of 2002 Pagan went a bunch of scrubs and Heath Scotland. We can't go back to those bad habits which have not worked in the past.
When Judd trade happened, we lost Kennedy, Masten (pick 3) and Tony Notte (pick 20) and gained Judd and Armfield. That trade shaped our recruiting targets over the next 4 years and while it did make us a finals contender when Judd got healthy and Murph/Gibbs had matured, we did lose one of the now best forwards in the game. The Warnock trade was horrible the next year but we wanted insurance for Kreuz so we could let him mature as a forward. We got Warnock and Hadley and lost the pick they drafted Suban with. At that stage you could play 2 rucks since the sub rule had not been introduced. Now with the sub rule/rotation caps teams can't afford to be so top heavy.
We looked good at the end of 2009, then we were forced to trade Fev. While that has been a great trade long term it hurt us in terms of finals. Hendo wasn't ready to play and nor should he have been expected to play at the level of Fev. Hendo will be entering his prime now, which is unfortunately at the end of the Judd/Carrots/Simmo prime which they were in around 2010/2011. We also had Bower play pretty well in 2009 which meant we didn't go key position at either end. We expected Hendo to develop as our FF, Waite to play CHF and Kreuz to be the ruck/forward with Warnock taking the load in the ruck. We decide to go mid instead and pass on Daniel Talia
The year after Bower gets injured and never recaptures any sort of form and we think maybe we need a KPD. Sauce walks since we have Kreuz/Warnock and Hammer all under contract, we draft 3 KPP in the draft, Head, McCarthy and Mitchell, only Head remains on the list.
Last year Betts, this year possibly Waite, Robbo and Jeffy (who had a good relationship with Eddie), looking at bringing in guys like Higgins which means losing on compo for Waite if he does walk. This is not going well.
I am watching a bit of the Port vs Footscray prelim on TV. There are a few ex-Blues playing in this game. Mark Austin, Jordan Russell, Marcus Davies and Sam Pleming.
Sam O'Sullivan also plays for Port, he was a gun under 18
Williamstown is playing Box Hill on ABC at the moment. Williamstown got into some ish for poaching 4 Northern Blues players at the start of the year
Marcon is one of those guys and just kicked a ripping goal from the pocket.
So Marcon, Lambert who is a gun, Meese who was pretty meh but was the reserve ruck and some other guy I can't remember. Anton Woods is also playing for them, he won the Morrish Medal and didn't get drafted because he is a midget. He played a few games at the Northern Blues a few years ago and I remember going to one of the Carlton Blues practice matches and thinking who the hell is that midget. I wouldn't mind rookie listing both Marcon and Lambert. Lambert will give us a good medium sized forward/mid option. He should be on an AFL list and Marcon is a hard in and under mid who racks up the pill.
Brock after contemplating retirement is set to sign a 1 year deal
Congrats Gibbs! 2014 B&F winner :)
Well done Gibbsy, awesome year! 8)
He deserved it. Was clearly our best player and probably had it wrapped up by mid year
I don't like the idea of giving up pick 6 for Mitchell if that is what it takes to get him. I love Mitchell, but let's look at it in terms of everything.
Mitchell will be 22 next year and is contracted at a reported 400k+ a year. He is a good age, but the price bracket might be a bit much to have tied up in so few players if we do also offer big money to Higgins (barf)
He is a slow inside mid which Carlton already have an abundance of similar players. While most of those guys would be retiring in the next couple of seasons and he would be a ready made replacement, most of our good young guys are already similar players (Bell, Curnow, Cripps).
Carlton lack talls, this magnifies if Waite walks and it is a year where there are a number of top KPP prospects. By trading pick 6, we lose out on one of these guys who could be an important piece to building our future.
Mitchell has struggled with injuries throughout his career. From the moment he was drafted he has always been injured. Last year when he finally broke into the Swans team was off another layoff and he ended up injuring himself in the finals against us last year. This year he injured himself in the NEAFL after he was dropped for team balance and missed a chance to break into the side earlier. Do we really want to give up a shot at a top line key position prospect for a guy, while obviously talented, that struggles to stay on the park?
I have a pretty big man crush on Mitchell, but even I can see that he isn't worth pick 6. I don't know if Sydney will take a 2nd round pick and a solid player, but it might not be worth our time chasing him while he is in contract.
i still think he is better then anyone you will draft with pick 6 and is a perfect replacement for Judd
Heaps of early draft picks suffer from injuries for the first couple of years before they come good.
Getting key prospects in the draft is pretty much a guaranteed 2-3 year wait at least before they offer something to the starting 22
They have to go for it if available he is a ball magnet and like others have said Judd is just about cooked and a serious injury would finish him off and with Robbo looking gone just a know brainer
It is a fair point man but we might not have a choice, what else could we give for him?
Quote from: Vinny on September 21, 2014, 12:53:45 PM
It is a fair point man but we might not have a choice, what else could we give for him?
Think it will take pick 6 can't see the Swans being interested in Robbo , if Waite is leaving maybe him but don't know if they would be interested in him
no way would they take Waite lol
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 21, 2014, 01:04:26 PM
no way would they take Waite lol
Then pick 6 is it they have nothing else the Swans would be interested in :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 21, 2014, 10:11:58 AM
i still think he is better then anyone you will draft with pick 6 and is a perfect replacement for Judd
He and Judd are completely different players. He would effectively be the Brock McLean replacement with a bit more leg pace.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 21, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
Heaps of early draft picks suffer from injuries for the first couple of years before they come good.
Getting key prospects in the draft is pretty much a guaranteed 2-3 year wait at least before they offer something to the starting 22
These are the key position players on Carlton's list by position and age
Jamo - Defender - 29 next season
Kreuz - Ruck - 26 next season
Warnock - Ruck - 28 next season
Watson - Defender (although been shifted forward) - 23 next season
Rowe - Utility - 28 next season
Hendo - Forward/Defender - 26 after the season (December birthday)
Giles - Utility - 20 next season
Waite - Forward - 32 next season and potentially gone in FA this year
Everitt - Utility - 26 next season
Levi - Forward/Ruck - 25 next season
White - Defender - 27 next season
Wood - Ruck - 28 next season and rookie listed
So our only key position sized players under 23 are Watson and Giles. We also delisted McInnes which puzzles me. Watson was on the verge of being delisted before he kicked a few goals in the last round which should see him stick around at least 1 more year. Giles is not exactly bulked up and they want to use him as more of a rebounder. Carlton need to draft a Jack Gunston sized forward, a key defender and a ruck this year. It allows them to mature while guys like Walker/Hendo/Jamo/Rowe play out their careers and we can plug in a replacement down the track. In a year deep on key position stocks we would be stupid to chase another mid and trade away a pick which can set up our future. We need to figure out a way to keep pick 6 if we are going to chase him and I can't see Sydney giving him up for less unless they want to chase Ryder/Frawley and need to clear cap space.
Quote from: shaker on September 21, 2014, 01:10:23 PM
Then pick 6 is it they have nothing else the Swans would be interested in :P
Kreuz, but we can't afford to give him up unless we chase Ryder and we don't have the money. Carlton supporters saw what a mess our ruck stocks were without Kreuz. There is no way we can risk giving him up
Kreuzer has to stay. We have no other AFL standard ruckmen and it kills us.
I really really want Mitchell but also want a good KPP.
Why don't we go after Membrey?
1.88cm and 87 kg.
I'd like to keep Pick 6 too but we have no other players that teams want that'd we'd give up. Hopefully Swans want Robbo but I doubt it.
1st and 2nd rounder
for
Titch and Membrey
would be good for you guys
Swans fans have said they wont get a 1st rounder for Membrey since he not in best 22
Pass on Membrey. It has Jesse White written all over it. Plus when I saw him play earlier this year I wasn't overly impressed and wouldn't want to be giving up a 2nd round pick for him.
Pretty much our needs as a I see them in order
Tall 3rd forward - Gunston is the perfect example of this, 190+ cm's and causes matchup issues on the ground and in the air.
Key defender - Jamo up there in age and not a hell of a lot behind him and Rowe
Back up ruck - When Kreuz goes down I am sick of seeing Warnock/Wood out there. We need another option. We can either develop a kid that we draft or maybe go out and get someone like Gorringe who is young and looking for opportunities.
Medium forward/mid - Someone that can play both positions naturally, we are trying this with Bell/McLean/Cripps but they are bulls and don't have the tricks to play up forward. Luke Parker is the guy I think of at AFL level but Kane Lambert is someone running around in the VFL that does this perfectly. Robbo is a guy we try and do this with, he also looks gone so a replacement is needed
Small forward - if we lose Garlett I put this here. We need someone to fill this role and back up Menz and Ellard. Being honest, Ellard is not a great forward and it is not his natural position, we need someone to push him out. This has gone from being a huge strength to a huge hole.
Outside midfielder - Buckley is a guy we want to fill this role but we may need him as a rebounding half back. Simmo is pushing 30 and we lack pace on the outside.
Small/rebounding defender - we need another rebounder and a lock down guy. Sheehan could develop into a handy player with Giles and Zach, we also have Byrne we are trying to develop but another guy to add to the list will be handy.
Obviously I don't expect us to go out and get all these guys in one draft, but over a 3 year period we need to stock up in these positions. I really like the idea of Lambert/Marcon/Saad in the rookie draft and then we take as many 18/19 year olds as possible in the regular draft.
Agree with pretty much everything Mat, but reckon Membrey might be worth the punt with our 3rd rounder but looks like we won't chase him. Also reports of Titch staying at Sydney apparently. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JQJl138fU
4.42
Yaz and Robbo tips for BNF. :P
Is it just me or does Menzel look really dopey in his interview?
Quote from: Vinny on September 23, 2014, 07:45:31 PM
Yaz and Robbo tips for BNF. :P
The bromance is strong :P
Tom Mitchell staying at Sydney. :'(
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tom-mitchell-wants-to-stay-in-sydney-turning-down-a-lucrative-advance-from-carlton/story-fn69a32t-1227071911983
He isn't worth pick 6, let's just hope we don't overpay for another player like Higgins
Fingers crossed, Higgins goes to North. But now who do we go after?
Quote from: Mat0369 on September 27, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
He isn't worth pick 6, let's just hope we don't overpay for another player like Higgins
Tom Mitchell isn't worth #6
Man that is just crazy, if Mick could give up that pick for Titch he'd do it in a heart beat
Quote from: Vinny on September 27, 2014, 01:37:44 AM
Fingers crossed, Higgins goes to North. But now who do we go after?
Liam Jones. ;)
Think the Blues should hit the draft and forget about older players
What do we think of Liam Jones?
198cm, 23 years old.
Pass.
Btw, I think we would've beat Sydney today!
Quote from: tbagrocks on September 27, 2014, 01:49:15 AM
Tom Mitchell isn't worth #6
Man that is just crazy, if Mick could give up that pick for Titch he'd do it in a heart beat
Mick and co thought it was a great idea to give Daisy 700k+ a year
Mitchell is not worth pick 6 for a team that already has a bunch of slow mids and a lack of key position prospects in a draft full of them
Quote from: shaker on September 27, 2014, 12:59:24 PM
Think the Blues should hit the draft and forget about older players
Agreed. I like some guys in their early 20's as rookie picks, but we need youth. Especially after delisting guys like Temay and McInnes
Quote from: Vinny on September 27, 2014, 04:45:28 PM
What do we think of Liam Jones?
198cm, 23 years old.
Nah. He is terrible.
"Jarrad Waite has informed the Carlton Football Club that it is his intention to exercise his rights under the AFL
Yep gone. We really really need that tall forward now.
Quote from: Vinny on September 29, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
Yep gone. We really really need that tall forward now.
Really could use JJK now couldn't you :P
Walker will play forward next season, but we 100% need another guy over 190 cm
Waite leaving is depressing
Who do we want with Pick 6?
I haven't really bothered looking into this draft too much to be honest.
Quote from: Vinny on September 29, 2014, 01:51:32 PM
Who do we want with Pick 6?
I haven't really bothered looking into this draft too much to be honest.
I reckon you guys would be a bit silly not to look at a KPP. Somebody like Durdin would be great for you guys.
Quote from: Vinny on September 29, 2014, 01:51:32 PM
Who do we want with Pick 6?
I haven't really bothered looking into this draft too much to be honest.
The Tiges will give you Hampson for pick 6 Vinny :P
pick 6 for Tomlinson and O' Rourke ;)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
pick 6 for Tomlinson and O' Rourke ;)
I don't think Tomlinson wants out :p
Quote from: Ziplock on September 29, 2014, 03:00:22 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
pick 6 for Tomlinson and O' Rourke ;)
I don't think Tomlinson wants out :p
you think every player ever traded has wanted out?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 29, 2014, 03:00:22 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
pick 6 for Tomlinson and O' Rourke ;)
I don't think Tomlinson wants out :p
you think every player ever traded has wanted out?
There are very few nowadays. Trades like the Judd one where JJK was forced out of Carlton rarely happen.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 29, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 29, 2014, 03:00:22 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
pick 6 for Tomlinson and O' Rourke ;)
I don't think Tomlinson wants out :p
you think every player ever traded has wanted out?
There are very few nowadays. Trades like the Judd one where JJK was forced out of Carlton rarely happen.
So McEvoy and Vince asked to be traded last year? Must of missed that press release.
If I were you guys I would be hoping Goodesy plays on so Membrey might consider a move back to vic ;)
Nah
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 29, 2014, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 29, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 29, 2014, 03:00:22 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
pick 6 for Tomlinson and O' Rourke ;)
I don't think Tomlinson wants out :p
you think every player ever traded has wanted out?
There are very few nowadays. Trades like the Judd one where JJK was forced out of Carlton rarely happen.
So McEvoy and Vince asked to be traded last year? Must of missed that press release.
Willing to be traded =/= asking to be traded and making a big scene and dance in the media lmao
Vin I think key defender with pick 6 and then a tall/medium sized forward with the 2nd rounder. I think Tom Lamb from what I hear fits the mold of the forward we should be taking. I don't know where he will fit in terms of draft position, but he might be a target with our 2nd round pick. McKenzie is the other as a 2nd rounder but he is too similar to Levi which might screw us. I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down if we can score a solid player in return. There might be a few teams looking to add a few FA's in need of cap space or a team like GC if they want to go after Beams and offer both pick 6 and 7 to get the deal done.
Whats the word on where Waite is heading? Wouldn't mind luring him over to Freo
Quote from: Ricochet on September 29, 2014, 06:43:16 PM
Whats the word on where Waite is heading? Wouldn't mind luring him over to Freo
I think it was North, Freo or Collingwood. Think it was Tabs that mentioned it in the Off-Season Trade Rumours thread.
Quote from: Mat0369 on September 29, 2014, 03:47:38 PM
Vin I think key defender with pick 6 and then a tall/medium sized forward with the 2nd rounder. I think Tom Lamb from what I hear fits the mold of the forward we should be taking. I don't know where he will fit in terms of draft position, but he might be a target with our 2nd round pick. McKenzie is the other as a 2nd rounder but he is too similar to Levi which might screw us. I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down if we can score a solid player in return. There might be a few teams looking to add a few FA's in need of cap space or a team like GC if they want to go after Beams and offer both pick 6 and 7 to get the deal done.
Fair enough, with Waite gone if we don't get a KPP that would be a joke. I was talking to Nige on chat about some of the good key forwards in the draft this year. Apparently Sam Durdin is meant to be pretty good.
http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-sam-durdin/
Plays defence, ruck and forward. 87kg, 197cm and supposedly like Jake Carlisle. He is a bit slim but apparently a bit of a prospect.
Peter Wright and Patrick McCartin are the other two gun forwards but they are unlikely to be around at Pick 6.
Haven't heard of those guys that you mentioned to be honest.
The club has said they will no longer pursue
Tom Mitchell and will not attempt to poach him unless he comes out personally and says he wants to play in Melbourne.
We are also interested in
Liam Jones and
Kristian Jaksch.
Durdin's more of a defender/ruck than a forward though.
Quote from: Vinny on September 29, 2014, 06:50:15 PM
Fair enough, with Waite gone if we don't get a KPP that would be a joke. I was talking to Nige on chat about some of the good key forwards in the draft this year. Apparently Sam Durdin is meant to be pretty good.
http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-sam-durdin/
Plays defence, ruck and forward. 87kg, 197cm and supposedly like Jake Carlisle. He is a bit slim but apparently a bit of a prospect.
Peter Wright and Patrick McCartin are the other two gun forwards but they are unlikely to be around at Pick 6.
Haven't heard of those guys that you mentioned to be honest.
The club has said they will no longer pursue Tom Mitchell and will not attempt to poach him unless he comes out personally and says he wants to play in Melbourne.
We are also interested in Liam Jones and Kristian Jaksch.
McKenzie played for the Northern Knights and had a purple patch during the year where he dominated. Under the old F/S rules Carlton would have been able to claim him as his dad Warren played 67 games.
I can't remember what I was watching but they were linking Lamb to us. He is more of a lead up agile guy and he can move out and play into the midfield. Not sure what his form was like this year but he is a good compliment to Hendo and Levi.
Durdin is probably the style of player we need to target first, someone we can patch into spots, but I think with a kid like that you want to settle him at one end of the field. Hurley is a perfect example of that. He struggled for form most of his career but that is because they never knew where they wanted to play him and they would constantly call to switch him between attack and defense.
I actually put a search into the site you linked for McKenzie and it popped up with this
Quote5. Western Bulldogs - Sam Durdin
West Adelaide
Height: 197 cm
Weight: 89 kg
Position: Key defender/utility
Player comparison: Lachie Henderson
Strengths: Versatility, agility, foot skills
Areas needing improvement: Finding one position to excel in
Durdin would be a good pick up for Carlton, very versatile player.
Quote from: Nige on September 29, 2014, 06:53:22 PM
Durdin's more of a defender/ruck than a forward though.
Whoops, yeah forgot to mention this.
But doing some reading, seems he is very capable at both ends and more where he is developed when he actually plays AFL will make a big difference to whether he is going to be a permanent forward or defender. I also believe he played forward in the championships.
The McKenzie part didn't copy through Mat so I looked on the site myself.
Reading that profile, he seems a gun! Don't like the Travis Cloke comparison though. :P
http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-reece-mckenzie/
And it also says: ''The Blues have a strong interest in McKenzie, but his 10 goal game may take him from being a late second rounder into a possible top 25 selection.''
I didn't copy the McKenzie one, just the Durdin one since I found it funny that it said he needs to find one position after I wrote it :P
Here is another thing on McKenzie and Lamb
Quote19. Essendon - Reece McKenzie
Northern Knights
Height: 196 cm
Weight: 100 kg
Position: Key forward/ruck
Player comparison: Jonathon Patton
Strengths: Contested marking, work rate, strength
Areas needing improvement: Goal kicking consistency, keeping emotions in check
Son of 1987 Carlton premiership player Warren McKenzie, Reece is an incredibly imposing key forward. He has the ability to win the game off his own boot: however, it depends which McKenzie shows up. His 10 goal TAC Cup game really put him on the map, but for a while recruiters were hoping he'd just go along quietly for a draft day steal. He has high expectations of himself and can get a bit frustrated when things don't go his way, and as a result his goal kicking can be affected. That being said, he will get over that with maturity and his technique when taking set shots is sound. I often see McKenzie at the gym, and he lifts an astounding amount of weight. His body looks like he has had three or four AFL pre-seasons. His body is more than ready to dominate at AFL from day one. He has been interested in body building for a while and played high level basketball as a 17-year-old before coming back to football. McKenzie is a Marcellin College legend, having kicked 10 goals for the A-team as a 16-year-old: his TAC Cup footy proves that wasn't a fluke. His work rate is enormous. He constantly leads up, and often grabs several uncontested marks on the lead inside 50 as a direct result of his repeat efforts and his willingness to get up towards centre half forward. Despite only playing 10 games, McKenzie came second in the league goal kicking with 35 goals. His highlights included 10 against the Ranges, seven against Northern Territory and six against Bendigo. Mckenzie averaged 7.1 marks per game, and 3.7 of those were contested. He is also more than handy in the ruck, having three games with more than 10 hitouts as a pinch hitter. Against the Eastern Ranges, he had the most incredible one goal game I've ever seen. He had kicked four behinds, had nine marks (three of which were contested), 16 disposals and 18 hitouts. He should have been best on ground by a mile, but couldn't kick straight. McKenzie can be frustrating, but his best is incredible.
20. GWS - Tom Lamb
Dandenong Stingrays
Height: 191 cm
Weight: 83 kg
Position: Midfielder/half forward
Player comparison: Jared Brennan
Strengths: Match winner, speed, marking, hitting the scoreboard
Areas needing improvement: Finding a position, consistency
Tom Lamb could be a really damaging player at AFL level, but I fear he will be tagged out of games too easily. He is one of the most potent outside players in this draft and has the ability to win games off his own boot like Petracca. Lamb can kick bags when he wants and his marking when playing up forward can be unstoppable. His speed and athleticism is incredible for someone just under key forward size, and when the ball hits the deck, you better believe that he will crumb like he is Leon Davis. Lamb is freakish at times, but he will need to learn how to impact the game each and every week at senior level. His first two finals were excellent, and he consistently hit the 25 disposal mark in pressure games.
So McKenzie is like a Patton/Levi mould. The AFL site has Lamb listed as 193 and I am hoping he is more Gunston and less Brennan. They have also likened Lamb to Watts and Goddard
Haha fair enough.
I really like what I am reading from McKenzie and especially the fact there is a realistic chance we could draft him. Hopefully he doesn't get stolen by some other club.
Durdin/McKenzie would be very handy.
Haven't heard anything about Lamb, unlikely he'd slip to our 3rd though right? Seems alright.
Doubt Lamb would slip that far. Was touted as a potential top-20 pick early on but has slipped a bit after not playing any standout games in the champs. Looks like he could be a bit of an X-factor type-player if the team that nabs him gets his development right ;)
Quote from: Toga on September 29, 2014, 08:26:09 PM
Doubt Lamb would slip that far. Was touted as a potential top-20 pick early on but has slipped a bit after not playing any standout games in the champs. Looks like he could be a bit of an X-factor type-player if the team that nabs him gets his development right ;)
Craig posted something about the Hawks having told Lamb they'll take him according to the BigFooty Hawks.
But yeah, he won't slip to Carlton's second.
Oh, really? I was saying he wouldn't slip to Carlton's 3rd, thought he might make it to near Carlton's 2nd though. Maybe not then :P
Ah okay thanks guys. Yeah I pretty much knew nothing about him, haha. There you go Mat ^ :P
Listening to Andrew McKay on SEN talking about Carlton in terms of free agency, trading and drafting. Some pretty surprising stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL3yPYUQMKQ
1) Carlton looking to bolster KPP in draft, pretty obvious.
2) Club want to trade Robinson and Jeff Garlett, and will try to do that next week.
3) Rumours on chasing Shaun Higgins were false and Carlton were NEVER in the hunt for him.
4) Tom Mitchell welcome at Carlton but club won't go after him unless he wants to come to Melbourne, no poaching.
5) McKay wants to get some good players coming in through TRADE and DRAFT and not top up on old players. Build from bottom for long term success.
I wouldn't have expected Lamb to get to our third pick, but he is possible at 2 I wouldn't mind him just because he seems to be one of those high upside guys that would fit our needs. I think McKenzie and Lamb will probably go around the same spots, I think one of those mock drafts had Petracca going at 1 to the Saints and McKenzie with their 2nd round pick. So it might be an early 2nd/late first depending on how teams draft. If we do plan on offloading guys like Jeffy/Robbo, hopefully we can upgrade our picks into those regions. This is a good chance to stockpile on kids and help our future. We need to fill that gap of 18-24 year olds because we are lacking there at the moment. I think kids in the regular draft and some of those 21-24 year olds in the rookie draft.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-30/jones-wants-the-blues
OUT-OF-CONTRACT Western Bulldogs key forward Liam Jones has requested a trade to Carlton.
I have to ask what Robbo asked last night, why does a player who struggles to get in the best 22 at a team that has finished in the bottom 4 or 5 the last 3 years move to Carlton ?? HE clearly wont be in the best 22 or will he??
He won't unless they decide to play Hendo back with the departure of Waite. Carlton are trying to play moneyball with crappy players
As long as we still look at KPPs in the draft, I don't really mind. But we better not do something flowering stupid like get Liam Jones and then pass on Durdin/McKenzie. Cause Jones is the answer to all our problems. ::)
#believeinLiamJones
Is he that bad?
I think we should all stop making a big fuss about it. If we sign him for chips and he hardly plays then I don't care :P
Imagine we sign him and he turns into a gun. :o
Quote from: vinny on September 30, 2014, 03:14:12 PM
Imagine we sign him and he turns into a gun. :o
Definitely high ^
I didn't mind Jones, showed bits here and there. Think he may benefit being #3 behind Casboult and Hendo
Quote from: Vinny on September 30, 2014, 03:10:58 PM
Is he that bad?
Yes
I wouldn't want to give anything more then a 4th rounder for him and even then that's pushing it.
Not to mention once the ball hits the ground, with a forward line of Jones, Hendo and Levi it is coming straight back out
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-30/waite-defection-staggering
Mick not a happy chappy.
Honestly, I think it's pretty harsh for clubs not in a premiership window to begrudge 30+ year old players trying to get a couple of extra bucks in the few years they have left- a lot of these guys won't exactly have an easy time slotting into a non-footy work force.
Add in the fact he dropped him earlier in the year twice and criticised him publicly multiple times saying that he has to understand what they are trying to do at the club etc. You can't flip flop around with what you say every week and then get pissed when the player walks
I think its just one of those "Shut up Mick" situations
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 30, 2014, 09:37:56 PM
I think its just one of those "Shut up Mick" situations
Is there any other kind of Mick situation?
Well it kinda explains why he wasn't happy
Quote"I'm disappointed," Malthouse told 5AA. "He came around to my place last Friday and wanted to know where he sat, which I explained to him about the game and how we've looked after him body-wise.
"We shook hands and everything was hunky-dory and then a week later he was gone. I wish he had told me then.
"I've got no desire to facilitate talking to players in my home when their desire is to leave."
Carlton are offering him 1 season with an option, North 2 guaranteed. If Mick tells him we only want to give you one year and see how your body and form is for a 2nd while North go, hey Jarrad, here is 2 years done deal, what the hell did he think he was going to do?
Quote from: Ricochet on September 30, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
Well it kinda explains why he wasn't happy
Quote"I'm disappointed," Malthouse told 5AA. "He came around to my place last Friday and wanted to know where he sat, which I explained to him about the game and how we've looked after him body-wise.
"We shook hands and everything was hunky-dory and then a week later he was gone. I wish he had told me then.
"I've got no desire to facilitate talking to players in my home when their desire is to leave."
See, but Waite's reasoning is pretty obvious here as well, do you really want to say something like that and then get ejected from the house? Or he might have still been thinking it over, I'm sure he doesn't want to leave his club.
Quote from: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 12:45:28 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 30, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
Well it kinda explains why he wasn't happy
Quote"I'm disappointed," Malthouse told 5AA. "He came around to my place last Friday and wanted to know where he sat, which I explained to him about the game and how we've looked after him body-wise.
"We shook hands and everything was hunky-dory and then a week later he was gone. I wish he had told me then.
"I've got no desire to facilitate talking to players in my home when their desire is to leave."
See, but Waite's reasoning is pretty obvious here as well, do you really want to say something like that and then get ejected from the house? Or he might have still been thinking it over, I'm sure he doesn't want to leave his club.
lol I don't think he would have been ejected from the house. My take on it was that Waite indicated he was staying at that meeting so that's why Mick was disappointed.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2014, 08:51:42 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 12:45:28 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 30, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
Well it kinda explains why he wasn't happy
Quote"I'm disappointed," Malthouse told 5AA. "He came around to my place last Friday and wanted to know where he sat, which I explained to him about the game and how we've looked after him body-wise.
"We shook hands and everything was hunky-dory and then a week later he was gone. I wish he had told me then.
"I've got no desire to facilitate talking to players in my home when their desire is to leave."
See, but Waite's reasoning is pretty obvious here as well, do you really want to say something like that and then get ejected from the house? Or he might have still been thinking it over, I'm sure he doesn't want to leave his club.
lol I don't think he would have been ejected from the house. My take on it was that Waite indicated he was staying at that meeting so that's why Mick was disappointed.
"I've got no desire to facilitate talking to players in my home when their desire is to leave."
Quote from: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2014, 08:51:42 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 12:45:28 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 30, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
Well it kinda explains why he wasn't happy
Quote"I'm disappointed," Malthouse told 5AA. "He came around to my place last Friday and wanted to know where he sat, which I explained to him about the game and how we've looked after him body-wise.
"We shook hands and everything was hunky-dory and then a week later he was gone. I wish he had told me then.
"I've got no desire to facilitate talking to players in my home when their desire is to leave."
See, but Waite's reasoning is pretty obvious here as well, do you really want to say something like that and then get ejected from the house? Or he might have still been thinking it over, I'm sure he doesn't want to leave his club.
lol I don't think he would have been ejected from the house. My take on it was that Waite indicated he was staying at that meeting so that's why Mick was disappointed.
"I've got no desire to facilitate talking to players in my home when their desire is to leave."
Which means Waite had indicated he was staying prior to the meeting and at that meeting or there wouldn't have been a meeting at Mick's house.
It doesn't matter too much anyway. Was just pointing out why Mick would have been frustrated
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carlton-blues/western-bulldogs-afl-utility-jason-tutt-wants-to-join-carlton-20141001-10opex.html
Talks are underway for Canberra's most recent AFL draftee, Jason Tutt, to join Carlton. Tutt has told the Western Bulldogs he wants to go to the Blues when trading is done between October 6-16.
Another one? Seriously? 'I guess we need pace but nah
I like him.
Thinking of it now we have a decent history when it comes to recycled players. So I'm confident that we could make something out of Jones and possibly Tutt.
Yeah I don't mind taking the punt on either if we can get them cheap.
Watch Liam Jones turn into a handy player, I reckon he'll do alright as 2nd/3rd tall.
And I've only heard good things about Tutt.
I mean if we get them for barely anything, why not.
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The best news I read there is Kane Lucas is out of contract. Brock is going to sign a one year deal. We have shot ourselves in the foot with Robbo/Jeffy. Both are FA and the fact we have said we don't want to keep them because of the drinking incident means teams will just wait it out for Carlton to delist them. Honestly, if we can't get a fair deal for them we should keep them but I don't see it happening.
I won't be happy with getting nothing for Jeffy and Robinson either. Garlett seems extremely stiff to be let go based on that, I mean he was there and shouldn't have been but he didn't do anything wrong. Robinson lied at least which makes him being trading understandable.
Jaksch could be worth the punt IMO. He seems a solid player and can play at both ends. As long as we don't lose Pick 6, I am fine with it. 194 cm, 85 Kg. He went at Pick 12 intially but couldn't break into GWS forward line which makes sense.
''A tall forward who can also play in defence, Jaksch is extremely strong overhead and uses the ball well when in defence.''
McLean has been serviceable but I think he should retire and let the young guys come through. :x
Lucas, haha.
Did you hear about Waite's wife have a massive go at the club when he left. It was on Twitter or Instagram not sure which one. People were ripping into Jarrad so she started getting angry or something and said: Look at your list, it is crap. etc. but Jarrad deleted it all I think or something idk.
I think with the turnover of players we need Brock for at least one more year.
Duigan, Boots, Waite, McInnes, Temay, Robbo, Jeffy and Lucas
That is 8 guys.
If he is willing to play in the VFL most weeks he will provide some good coverage if guys like Bell, Judd, Carrots get injured, but if he isn't in our best midfield he doesn't get a game. He is to slow to play elsewhere. He had a great finish to the season in that Essendon game, so he does still have some left in the tank, but we can't carry to many players like him in the 1's each week.
Nah doesn't surprise me, at least she has his back and I can't blame her though if people are taking direct shots at Jarrad. The club chose to offer him a 1 year deal when they knew it would take 2 to keep him. The look at your list it's crap lines probably don't go over too well, but when you get pissed you make some of those comments. It isn't necessarily false either, the list has gone backwards in the last 3 years and compared to North who are looking to finish top 4 it is right. We still have an elite core of players, it is just the guys around them need to lift.
Jarrad Waite officially gone to North. :( Hopefully we get a 3rd rounder for him.
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Looks shower.
Liam Jones agreed to for Pick 43.
Jason Tutt agreed to for Pick 62.
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Happy Mat? :P
No, too depressed
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 03, 2014, 01:00:43 PM
No, too depressed
don't be too depressed mate. I highly doubt Waite would be part of your next premiership tilt anyway, if you can get something for him may as well ship him off
Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane 3m3 minutes ago
AFL has advised Carlton that due to contract amount offer to J Waite & player's age, there will be no compensation for his move to NMelb.
Sorry lads
Mick might lose the plot
To be fair, this is what FA should be for with no compensation for any of the clubs.
That just makes it worse. We just lost a player for nothing. :'(
If we lose Garlett and Robinson for nothing too..
I wasn't expecting compo. Again, this situation could have been solved very easily, give him 2 years instead of 1. He wanted the security of a 2nd year and it his age I can't blame him. North were willing to offer it and he took the deal. He loves the club, it is a club he has family history with his dad having played here (although he never got a chance to watch him being to young). It is just painful to see this happen. The fact we are going to have to trade for Tutt and Liam Jones and lose Robbo, Waite and Garlett for nothing is just ridiculousl. Not even the fact that Kane Lucas will not be at Carlton next year is enough to salvage this.
Quote from: Vinny on October 03, 2014, 05:56:48 PM
That just makes it worse. We just lost a player for nothing. :'(
when we lose Garlett and Robinson for nothing too..
seems a bit bad luck and a decent share of bad management
At the moment in terms of the poor management stakes the order is like this
Essendon
Carlton
and then the rest
You can't announce you are going to delist a player then put them up for trade. What team in their right mind is going to trade for them when they can pick them up as a delisted FA?
The contract he was offered at carlton must have been a pittance as well.
So with the Blues being named as Jaksch's preferred destination, where do you blues supporters see him fitting into your line-up? Key forward or key back?
Quote from: elephants on October 06, 2014, 04:41:39 PM
So with the Blues being named as Jaksch's preferred destination, where do you blues supporters see him fitting into your line-up? Key forward or key back?
Not a Carlton supporter but it would have to be in defence to help them out (Jamison ageing and battling more injuries), Watson (isn't the greatest defender, let's be honest) and Rowe (Improving every game) and with Jones to replace Waite it allows Jones, Levi and Henderson to be apart of a three big man attack up front, with Henderson becoming the real threat as he gets the third defender every week and can begin to add consistency to his games. (Originally had the third defender but with Waite gone he becomes a priority).
Now all Carlton need is some small forwards and further midfield depth and if I'm completely honest they need to keep both Garlett and Robinson depsite the off field issues, and if they were to leave it could leave a gaping hole in the forward line which Fev created after Carlton decided to get rid of him. (Set them back years and he is still a very good footballer today).
Any thoughts differ from this??
It depends on how they draft and if they do recruit the spud Jones.
Our key backs will be Jamo, Rowe and White. Forwards will be Hendo, Levi and the super spud in Jones. Watson will possibly play forward next year, he spent the majority of his time their in the 2nd half of the season in the VFL. He will be looked at as depth but if he plays he and Hendo swing between back and forward. If we go key forward in the draft then you develop Jaksch as a defender, if you pick up a defender you develop him as a forward. Hendo plays both ends of the field brilliantly so he can swing.
Ideally my back 6 and forward 6 will look like this (assuming Robo and Jeffy go and they get Jaksch and Jones)
Tuohy Jamo Rowe
Yaz Hendo Sheehan
Walker Levi drafted key forward
Menz Jaksch drafted crumbing forward
White on the bench as he can pinch hit both ends, Buckley will hopefully move into the guts this year to provide some more pace
I still want to draft a key position player at both ends in the draft, 1 in the first and another in the 2nd round. If you want to let them both develop in the VFL a year you play Watson/Jones as the 3rd forward and it works. The more versatility in the team the better
I think I'd prefer Henderson up forward and Jaksch down back. Jones may have been a spud as the number one forward but he may benefit from being the third tall, we'll see.
Really hope we can get Jaksch without losing Pick 6 and then grab Sam Durdin or Reece McKenzie with Pick 7.
I don't think we have anything that GWS will want for Jaksch. He isn't worth pick 6, but our 2nd round pick won't get it done. GWS were looking to move up to 1 in the draft, if that is true you could see the Giants pick packaged with Jaksch for 1 and the Saints 3rd/4th rounder.
Also Jones is a spud as any number forward. He has had maybe one good game over his career. He was also never their number 1. Teams put more work into Campbell, Dixon, Crameri, Stringer and Spindleshanks when they played with Jones. The all would have been the 'number 1' ahead of him. I see it as a depth move more then anything in case Hendo/Levi get injured.
With Hendo the issue is we don't know where his best position is because he has dominated for periods at both ends. Obviously a key forward is harder to come by then a key defender, but I think we may look at using him as a swing man based on matchups, injuries and the form of those around him. This draft period will also go a long way to determine where we play him. If we draft a defender he plays forward and swings into defense, if we go with a forward he starts as a defender and swings forward.
Mm, yeah will be very interesting.
What does the rest of your 22 look like after that fwd and back 6. How you gonna fit Dochery, Everitt, Cripps, Bu
FB: Tuohy Jamo Rowe
HB: Yaz Hendo Sheehan
C:
HF:Walker Levi drafted key forward
FF: Menz Jaksch drafted crumbing forward
Fol:
I/C:
Just off the top of my head:
FB: Rowe Jamison Tuohy
HB: Docherty, Jaksch, Yarran
C: Simpson, Gibbs, Judd.
HF: Walker, Casboult, Durdin/Jones.
FF: Menzel, Henderson, Daisy.
Fol: Kreuzer, Murphy, Bell.
I/C: Curnow, Everitt & 2 of Sheehan/Cripps/Graham/Buckley/McLean/Carrots
We need multiple players to rotate off the flanks and through the guts. That is where guys like Docherty fit in. While Sheehan has been good at the back end of last year, if we don't elevate him I will expect him to keep developing in the VFL which is where someone like Everitt gets his spot.
It also depends on if we keep the sub rule or not. Teams might start carrying 2 rucks again if the sub rule is abolished. This might see a Kreuz/Warnock combo and used to greater effect.
I am pretty confident the sub rule will stay.
There was an article early where the players asked for the sub rule to be abolished but the AFL said if the sub rule goes, the interchange cap would have to be reduced to and the player don't want that.
3AW or someone reported it was gone but never really confirmed
I think players rather 4 on the bench and capped rotations compared to 3 and a sub.
Yeah then the AFL came out and said it is not true or something.
The players don't want interchange cap nor do they want the sub. Give them what they want AFL. :P
It was supposed to prevent injuries but they saw the injury rate rise. I don't know how they thought they would have less injuries when players would be far more fatigued. I guess they wanted to stop the high collision injuries (like Jordan Lewis and Harbrow situation) but they saw an overall rise. If we get no caps and no sub watch teams bulk up and play a bully ball style of game.
I cannot flowering believe we said Robinson and Garlett are on the trade table and then said they'd be delisted if a deal was made...far out
Quote from: Vinny on October 06, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
I cannot flowering believe we said Robinson and Garlett are on the trade table and then said they'd be delisted if a deal was made...far out
um, what?
Quote from: Ziplock on October 06, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 06, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
I cannot flowering believe we said Robinson and Garlett are on the trade table and then said they'd be delisted if a deal wasn't made...far out
um, what?
wasn't. :P
delisted if a deal wasn't made.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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^Carlton.
Trading Jeffy in general is a joke. I mean it was his birthday and he went out, yeah he shouldn't have been out a 5am but it's not like he did anything else. They got attacked or something and he told the club about it. Robbo lied which makes the club being angry understandable as well all the other stupid shower he does. But we are letting a small forward who kicked 40 goals in 2013 go.
Melbourne are interested.
Quote from: Vinny on October 07, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
Trading Jeffy in general is a joke. I mean it was his birthday and he went out, yeah he shouldn't have been out a 5am but it's not like he did anything else. They got attacked or something and he told the club about it. Robbo lied which makes the club being angry understandable as well all the other stupid shower he does. But we are letting a small forward who kicked 40 goals in 2013 go.
Melbourne are interested.
He played early then did not get a look in don't think it was his birthday antics think Malthouse just ruled him out of any part of Carlton for the future.
Quote from: Vinny on October 07, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
Trading Jeffy in general is a joke. I mean it was his birthday and he went out, yeah he shouldn't have been out a 5am but it's not like he did anything else. They got attacked or something and he told the club about it. Robbo lied which makes the club being angry understandable as well all the other stupid shower he does. But we are letting a small forward who kicked 40 goals in 2013 go.
Melbourne are interested.
On the flip side, he had an ordinary year and spent half of it in the VFL where he really didn't even do very well.
Yeah that is true and now his trade value is even lower though. :(
Three amigos up front are now one, Yarran, Betts and Garlett were amazing to watch when on. :'(
Quote from: Vinny on October 07, 2014, 05:07:45 PM
Yeah that is true and now his trade value is even lower though. :(
Three amigos up front are now one, Yarran, Betts and Garlett were amazing to watch when on. :'(
Betts took things to a new level this year at the Crows, you wonder if Jeffy will go on to do the same if/when he wears red and blue. :o
Nigel pls. :'(
Quote from: Vinny on October 07, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
Nigel pls. :'(
I'm still reeling from your hurtful words last night.
Consider this payback. >:D
Haha, didn't wanna do this but looks like you have left me no choice. :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4njV0lXn8PQ
6.42
''Betts gets him, and taking him was Garlett!''
''YOU CAN PUT DOWN THE GLASSES, IT'S AN AMIGO, AN AMIGO THAT WILL FINISH IT OFF!''
''KICK IT JEFFREY! He does. CARLTON ARE GOING TO SYDNEY!!!''
:')
Got wrecked in Sydney but whatever.
Quote from: Vinny on October 07, 2014, 05:38:23 PM
Haha, didn't wanna do this but looks like you have left me no choice. :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4njV0lXn8PQ
6.42
''Betts gets him, and taking him was Garlett!''
''YOU CAN PUT DOWN THE GLASSES, IT'S AN AMIGO, AN AMIGO THAT WILL FINISH IT OFF!''
''KICK IT JEFFREY! He does. CARLTON ARE GOING TO SYDNEY!!!''
:')
Got wrecked in Sydney but whatever.
Wow, you're actually just an extremely mean person. :(
Quote from: Vinny on October 06, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
I cannot flowering believe we said Robinson and Garlett are on the trade table and then said they'd be delisted if a deal was made...far out
Atleast Garlett won't be delisted :P What do you think Carlton will take for him?
Cooney!?!? :o
Wtf hahaha. He is 29.
It's rumoured to be:
Adam Cooney, Liam Jones + N45 FOR N28
Our trade period just keeps getting weirder.
The extent of Carlton's interest in Cooney since the package deal was proposed was not clear on Tuesday night.
The mooted trade could yet be scuttled, given the Blues are considering using pick 28 in a trade for former No. 12 draft pick Kristian Jaksch, who wants to be traded to Carlton from Greater Western Sydney.
The Blues have been looking at a three-club trade in which Carlton would receive Jaksch, Hawthorns pick 19 and the Giants' pick 21, giving up picks 7 and 28 to GWS.
In that scenario, uncontracted Giants onballer Jono O'Rouke would be traded to the Hawks.
7 & 28 for Jaksch? F off.
Hawks win in that one, again. 19 for O'Rourke is pretty good i reckon
Trade Pick 7 and I'm moving clubs :P
Offer up a 4th round pick for Jones and tell the Dogs take it or leave it. Forget about Jaksch, Cooney, Tutt and everyone else and just draft our own players.
If our off-season keeps trending the way it has been going, lock us in for a top 5 pick next year.
Garlett + Pick 83 for Pick 61 and 79. :'(
You boys not happy with Pick 7 (Durdin) for Jaksch (Pick 12), Whiley and Pick 19?
Think it's reasonably fair.. Although you seem to not be very happy about it.
I really wanted to keep Pick 7 man. It doesn't look that terrible but I don't see the point. Why would we want to do that?
Jaksch hasn't shown heaps other than being a high draft pick and Durdin is meant to be a gun. I know nothing about Whiley to be honest.
The only way I would be satisfied with the trade is if Pick 19 magically landed Reece McKenzie.
@CarltonFC: National Recruiting Manager Shane Rogers says Adam Cooney won
Whiley is a tagger that took some big scalps. Carlton don't need another tagger. Pick 7 is not necessarily Durdin either. Carlton need to take as many high quality kids in this draft as possible. This would be like us trading Watson, Cachia and a 2nd round pick for the Suns pick after ours.
Big bodied midfielder though, 187cm and 90kg so has the right frame, and could potentially be transformed into a ball winning midfielder.
If you were to keep 7 you would get Durdin, there's no doubts about that, he is what you're lacking (over anything else).
Quote from: _wato on October 09, 2014, 05:47:40 PM
Big bodied midfielder though, 187cm and 90kg so has the right frame, and could potentially be transformed into a ball winning midfielder.
If you were to keep 7 you would get Durdin, there's no doubts about that, he is what you're lacking (over anything else).
Loves to win the ball does Whiley, could blossom nicely if given an opportunity.
Nah. We have enough big bodied and tagging mids. If we are going for midfielders we need outside guys with pace or good users by foot. All our good kids are inside mids, we need to add some more class to the likes of Murph and Gibbs. Pick 7 could be anything. We need key forwards and defenders, so who knows which way we go.
Also the more I think about it, we need development coaches. In 2011 we had a bunch of guys trending upwards and playing some really good football. 2012 the development stalled. Some of this was due to injury, others I guess you could say age started catching up. The fact is, since 2012 our player development has been terrible. I think guys like Boots and Temay are a testament to that. They are either lacking discipline from the top or our farming ground at the Northern Blues needs a massive revamp.
Apparently Lucas was only in Perth seeing his mum and dad, and won't be traded to WA
OUT: Pick 7
IN: Kristian Jaksch, Mark Whiley & Pick 19
I didn't want to give up Pick 7 but fingers crossed Jaksch does well.
Welcome boys!
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-18/lamb-his-toughest-critic
I want him. We are desperate for a player like Lamb in our forward line
Looks a gun, him or Reece McKenzie would be awesome.
List Changes:
OUT
Pick #7
Pick #46
Pick #83
Jarrad Waite
Jeff Garlett
Mitch Robinson (Pending)
Heath Scotland
Jaryd Cachia
Andrew McInnes
Nick Duigan
Josh Bootsma
Tom Temay
Luke Reynolds
IN
Pick #19
Pick #61
Pick #79
Kristian Jaksch
Mark Whiley
Liam Jones
Jason Tutt (Pending via PSD)
Current NAT Draft Picks: 19, 28, 61, 65, 79, 101, 119.
McKenzie doesn't fit in a forward line with Cas and Jones. Once the ball hits the ground we will be F'ed since they all have the turning circle of a truck
Also in those pending outs add in Ellard, Brock and Kane Lucas. All 3 are still out of contract.
There is a chance Jones could end up being a complete spud though but we'll see.
Ideally for me, Lucas and Brock both don't get offered new contracts. But both will probably sign. Ellard, I don't really care, isn't best 22.
KL welcome to WC :p
Quote from: Vinny on October 18, 2014, 04:41:25 PM
There is a chance Jones could end up being a complete spud though but we'll see.
He is a complete spud. He has had maybe 2 good games in his career and is a complete and utter spastic. Also this talk of he was the dogs first option, not true, he was more often then not the 2nd or 3rd option in that team. Replace Jones with Head/Hendo and they aren't exactly great at ground level so the point still stands. It will depend on how we use Hendo/Head/White/Jaksch and I think the Saints really want McKenzie so he won't be there for our 2nd round pick
Of those guys out of contract I would give Brock and Davey a 1 year deal each. Brock would play VFL and be depth if he is willing to do that, Ellard we need due to a lack of small forward depth and while he isn't a great small forward he is serviceable. I would love for Robbo to stay but I doubt it.
Quote from: elephants on October 18, 2014, 04:43:39 PM
KL welcome to WC :p
Good riddance
West Coast, collecting other teams trash since Cale Morton
Haha let's give Jones a chance first to prove himself, then we can flower him off if he does nothing. If McLean is willing to play VFL and be a back-up, I'd be happy for the one year. But I'd rather play Graham, Cripps etc. I've got a crazy feeling Robinson will stay. I mean, can the club be that stupid to let him go for nothing? I'm keen to see Jaksch and Whiley play.
For Treloar/Shiel (I know its 100%) hypothetical, but its exciting) What is our cap space like?
Scotland, Waite, Garlett, Robinson out this year and Judd next year would free up a fair bit.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 18, 2014, 04:43:39 PM
KL welcome to WC :p
Good riddance
West Coast, collecting other teams trash since Cale Morton
Eh, cost us nothing and was worth the punt. Some bloke names Xavier Ellis has been pretty damn good for us since we picked him up for nothing.
Quote from: Vinny on October 18, 2014, 04:57:06 PM
Haha let's give Jones a chance first to prove himself, then we can flower him off if he does nothing. If McLean is willing to play VFL and be a back-up, I'd be happy for the one year. But I'd rather play Graham, Cripps etc. I've got a crazy feeling Robinson will stay. I mean, can the club be that stupid to let him go for nothing? I'm keen to see Jaksch and Whiley play.
For Treloar/Shiel (I know its 100%) hypothetical, but its exciting) What is our cap space like?
Scotland, Waite, Garlett, Robinson out this year and Judd next year would free up a fair bit.
Well at least the Bullants will have someone not named Jack Anthony to kick to this season with Jones in the reserves.
Graham and Cripps do need AFL games into them, but Brock would provide quality depth. Good teams have quality depth around the park. I doubt Robbo stays, the club has written him off. One thing I don't like about the direction we are heading is the fact we have so many taggers/slow/defensive mids. Whiley is likely going to be the Carrots replacement, but that is what we were grooming Curnow for. We now have Curnow, Whiley and Everitt as lockdown players through the middle. Maybe they give Andrejs a new role.
To be able to get either Treloar or Shiel two things will have to happen.
1. We tank for a top 5 pick
2. We give up a star
Scotty was barely on any cash due to the contract he received last year/being rookie listed
Waite was on the veterans list, Robbo and Jeffy were not worth that much in cash, Juddy would be taking less then his usual salary to keep playing. Where the cash will come off next year is the Warnock contract. We were giving that dud far to much cash to lure him to Carlton. The Thomas deal also hurts locking cash up in a player that sure as hell isn't worth it, they should ask him to restructure but I doubt he does it
Quote from: elephants on October 18, 2014, 05:00:18 PM
Eh, cost us nothing and was worth the punt. Some bloke names Xavier Ellis has been pretty damn good for us since we picked him up for nothing.
Ellis has at least shown something at AFL level, it has always been his body that has let him down. Morton and Lucas, not so much
Vinny I am going to do a quick breakdown of our list by category
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2014, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 18, 2014, 05:00:18 PM
Eh, cost us nothing and was worth the punt. Some bloke names Xavier Ellis has been pretty damn good for us since we picked him up for nothing.
Ellis has at least shown something at AFL level, it has always been his body that has let him down. Morton and Lucas, not so much
We paid pick 88 for Morton which Melbourne did not use. He's a tall midfielder, was elite as a junior and has struggled with homesickness. 100% worth bringing him home and giving him a run around. No lose situation for us haha
Awesome! 8)
We will probably end up with a Top 5 pick anyway haha. Fingers crossed we have the cash if the opportunity to get them presents itself. Treloar would be the ultimate Juddy replacement.
Inside mids
Brock
Cripps
Graham
Bell
Carrots
Curnow
Whiley
Combo mids
Murph
Gibbs
Judd
Outside guys
Simmo
Yaz
Buckley
Taggers
Whiley
Carrots
Curnow
Everitt
Dennis
Speed demons
Dennis
Buckley
Yaz
Utilities
Everitt
Walker
Rucks
Kreuz
Warnock
Wood (rookie)
Key position players
Jamo
Rowe
Hendo
Cas
Head
Giles
Jones
Jaksch
White
Small forwards
Ellard (square peg round hole)
Medium sized forwards
Menz
Johnson (rookie listed)
Small defenders
Tuohy
Sheehan (rookie listed)
Medium defenders
Docherty (probably generous on the medium size)
Unsure
Daisy
Holman
The utilities are guys that I can see playing pretty much anywhere from midfield to forward to back. I would like to see Walker forward but who knows where he plays. Everitt is one guy they will just plug and play.
If we draft another inside mid the recruiting staff should be sacked
Awesome work man. Wow, we really need another pacey outside player.
Curnow is easily our best tagger of course, I agree that Whiley is likely to be the Carrots replacement but still leaves a lot of inside players, haha. Really like the look of Buckley and think he can replace Simpson eventually. Also like what I've seen from Everitt, think he was a good signing considering we got him for nothing.
Tom Lamb looks a good fit with our #19 if we can get him.
Not sure what other fast outside players there will be available at 28.
For Mat:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Zi9dVoWc0Mw/VD80RRlbmMI/AAAAAAAAanY/SRYgVepP7lw/s426/CFC1094%2BTrade%2BArtwork%2BImages%2B2015_liam%2Bjones.jpg)
Hopefully we line-up something like this (With Lamb so I can put Jones in 2s) I know Carrots not playing is stiff but yeah. :(
B: Rowe, Jamison, Tuohy.
HB: Yarran, Jaksch, Buckley.
C: Gibbs, Judd, Simpson.
HF: Thomas, Henderson, Walker.
F: Menzel, Casboult, Lamb.
Foll: Kreuzer, Murphy, Bell.
IC: Curnow, Everitt, Docherty, Whiley/Graham.
2s: Jones, Buckley, Carrots, Cripps, Sheehan, Tutt, Watson, Armfield.
Thoughts?
I honestly can't see Carrots recovering from his soft tissue injuries which is why they probably targeted Whiley. It sucks because Carrots is so vocal on the field and an important leader at the club. With Cachia gone and Curnow the only real tagger in the guts, we need insurance. Let Whiley play in the twos and see if he can develop a damaging outside game which is what makes Carrots so good as a tagger.
There are 3 types of players we should target in this draft. Guys who can create mismatches, guys that have pace and most importantly guys that have good disposal.
I'm liking what I hear about Whiley.
In his two games this season he had:
17 touches, 3, marks.1 goal, 9 tackles.
19 touches, 7 marks, 2 tackles.
Probably won't play straight away but should be decent in time. I'll try find someone who we could possibly get at 28.
http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-caleb-daniel/
Quote from: Vinny on October 18, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-caleb-daniel/
Nope. He's my boy! Going to the Saints haha. Touk Miller for you guys ;)
I just realised the draft was end of November. That is a long f'ing way away
Quote from: Ricochet on October 21, 2014, 05:56:13 PM
Carlton has delisted Mitch Robinson, Brock McLean and Kane Lucas.
Other than Robinson (Which I can understand even though it sucks), I am pretty happy with this.
It's making a statement I reckon.
2 of my starters in worlds (McLean not so much in 2014) gone...yikes :-\
Here's hoping Robbo gets picked up. McLean probably the right call, the game had past him.
Lucas gone = Awesome
Brock was going to retire before the Essendon game and then changed his mind after the club said they wanted him around for one more year. It will be interesting to see if they rookie list him which is an option.
Robbo gone is just horrible.
It is terrible that we said we'd delist no matter what.
But to be fair, he keeps doing stupid shower and getting suspended.
Then he went out at 5am, got bashed (not his fault) but the issue is he lied to the club. Jeffy came clean straight away but he said he went out sparring and hurt himself. So he straight up lied to the club which explains why they are pissed.
I was really hoping they'd give him another chance though. Shame to lose him for nothing but its out of his own stupidity that he is gone.
Carlton List Break-Down/Management.
Small Defenders:
Zach Tuohy (OM)
Dylan Buckley (OM, SF)
Nick Holman (IM, T)
Medium Defenders:
Andrew Walker (OM, MF)
Andrejs Everitt (MF, OM)
Simon White (TD)
Ciaran Sheehan
Matthew Dick
Tall Defender:
Michael Jamison
Sam Rowe (R, TF)
Matthew Watson
Cameron Giles
Small Forwards:
David Ellard (IM)
Jason Tutt (OM)
Medium Forwards:
Troy Menzel (OM)
Blaine Johnson
Ciaran Byrne
Tall Forwards:
Lachlan Henderson (TD)
Levi Casboult (R)
Kristian Jaksch (TD)
Inside Midfielders:
Marc Murphy (OM, SF)
Chris Judd
Patrick Cripps
Tom Bell
Nick Graham
Andrew Carazzo (T)
Outside Midfielders:
Bryce Gibbs (IM,MD,MF)
Kade Simpson (SD, SF, IM)
Chris Yarran (SF)
Sam Docherty (MD)
Dale Thomas (MF, IM, MD)
Rucks:
Robert Warnock
Matthew Kreuzer
Cameron Wood
Taggers:
Dennis Armfield (SF, SD)
Ed Curnow (IM)
Mark Whiley (IM)
The List:
7 Armfield, Dennis
28 Bell, Tom
7 Buckley, Dylan
48 Byrne, Ciaran (R)
44 Carrazzo, Andrew
41 Casboult, Levi
16 Cripps, Patrick
35 Curnow, Edward
15 Docherty, Sam
46 Ellard, David
33 Everitt, Andrejs
4 Gibbs, Bryce
19 Giles, Cameron
32 Graham, Nicholas
23 Henderson, Lachlan
20 Holman, Nick
34 Jaksch, Kristian
40 Jamison, Michael
45 Johnson, Blaine (R)
19 Jones, Liam
5 Judd, Chris
8 Kreuzer, Matthew
2 Menzel, Troy
3 Murphy, Marc
17 Rowe, Sam
47 Sheehan, Ciaran (R)
6 Simpson, Kade
39 Thomas, Dale
42 Tuohy, Zach
1 Walker, Andrew
11 Warnock, Robert 86
10 Watson, Matthew
42 Whiley, Mark
43 White, Simon
36 Wood, Cameron (R)
13 Yarran, Christopher
National Draft Picks:
19|28|61|68|79|101|119
Delistings:
Brock McLean
Kane Lucas
Mitch Robinson
Tom Temay
Luke Reynolds
Andrew McInnes
Jaryd Cachia
Best 22:
Rowe | Jamison | Tuohy
Yarran | Jaksch | Buckley
Simpson | Gibbs | Bell
Daisy | Henderson | Walker
Menzel | Casboult | Jones
Kreuzer | Murphy | Judd
Curnow | Everitt | Docherty | Cripps
Was bored so put this together through a few different sources and myself. Got the idea from the Brissy board.
Will Whiley tag or will that be left for Cyunow/Carrazzo? Think he could have some fairly decent numbers if he doesnt tag.
Quote from: Big Berger on October 26, 2014, 04:50:12 PM
Will Whiley tag or will that be left for Cyunow/Carrazzo? Think he could have some fairly decent numbers if he doesnt tag.
When he plays he will mostly tag. He is purely a backup to Curnow so won't get a big chunk of games next year IMO.
He will more then likely spend the year in the VFL. You can only carry so many slow inside guys. He would have to beat out a few guys for a spot in the 22. He is probably the Cachia replacement, but on the senior list.
Injury Update:
Pretty much the good news is that only 5 players had surgery this off-season compared to 20+ last season.
Sam Docherty with minor hip surgery. Tom Bell had surgery to remove the plate in his finger and Andrew Walker had minor knee surgery. David Ellard spent weeks on the crutches after ankle surgery but is doing better now.
Meanwhile McKay says Matthew Kreuzer, who was restricted to just one game in 2014, is running well and 'looking very fit.'
Carltons 1-4 year players return to training on November 5, while the full playing list will return by November 17.
Hope Kreuzer can get a full season in don't think we have seen anywhere near his best so far and with all those dear mids in SC a good cheap ruck would be nice :P
Quote from: Master Q on October 07, 2014, 11:22:39 PM
Trade Pick 7 and I'm moving clubs :P
Soooo, converting to a Weagle mate? :P
Carlton has signed former Swan Matthew Dick today as a delisted free agent.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 05, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
Carlton has signed former Swan Matthew Dick today as a delisted free agent.
So basically what the Carlton backline was missing was a Dick??
QuoteBlues general manager of football operations Andrew McKay said Dick would strengthen the team's backline and midfield next season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-05/blues-boost-defence
Quote from: tabs on November 06, 2014, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 05, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
Carlton has signed former Swan Matthew Dick today as a delisted free agent.
So basically what the Carlton backline was missing was a Dick??
QuoteBlues general manager of football operations Andrew McKay said Dick would strengthen the team's backline and midfield next season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-05/blues-boost-defence
Dick - backline , it could get painful
Quote from: Dudge on November 06, 2014, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: tabs on November 06, 2014, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 05, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
Carlton has signed former Swan Matthew Dick today as a delisted free agent.
So basically what the Carlton backline was missing was a Dick??
QuoteBlues general manager of football operations Andrew McKay said Dick would strengthen the team's backline and midfield next season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-05/blues-boost-defence
Dick - backline , it could get painful
only if the ball hits the ground
Get in behind... 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JEJsuvcSeI
How is Cameron wood still on our list
Quote from: blue on November 10, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
How is Cameron wood still on our list
Because Robbie Warnock is still on the list
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-11-11/david-ellard-signs-on-for-one-more
The Carlton Football Club is pleased to confirm that David Ellard has signed a new one-year contract, to keep him with the Blues until at least the end of 2015.
Reports that Jaksch has a navicular stress reaction and will miss around 10 weeks.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 17, 2014, 05:15:00 PM
Reports that Jaksch has a navicular stress reaction and will miss around 10 weeks.
Here's the link http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-11-17/carlton-injury-update
New Carlton recruit Kristian Jaksch has had scans on his left foot after experiencing mild discomfort training on Friday.
The scans have revealed Jaksch has a stress reaction to his navicular. He will see specialist tomorrow to determine the best course of action.
Carlton's GM - Football Operations Andrew McKay says the injury has been detected early and the prognosis is good.
"It's clearly disappointing for both Kristian and the Club, but we are lucky to have found this early," McKay said.
"After initial assessment we are very confident that Kristian will not need surgery, however, the specialist appointment tomorrow will confirm that."
The Club will provide a further update once the specialist's assessment has been received.
shower that sucks. :(
Hopefully it's not too bad.
It's not an actual fracture, so hopefully should be fine.
any injury that revolves around the navicular bone is a worry imo
Yeah, navicular injuries are never good news but lets hope this one doesn't evolve into something more serious. :-X
And this is why I didn't want to trade pick 6. I know it is probably something that hadn't shown up before the scans but I really don't like seeing the word navicular when talking about football.
Well there's a rookie gone for a while :(
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-25/bad-blues-boys-had-enough-chances?utm_medium=RSS
CARLTON players and coaches had lost trust in Jeff Garlett and Mitch Robinson by the end of last season, leaving the club with no alternative but to part company with the talented pair, Blues skipper Marc Murphy says.
Garlett and Robinson's time at Visy Park effectively came to an end last August when they were involved in a street brawl in the city, with Robinson compounding his indiscretion by initially trying to cover up his involvement.
The incident was the latest in a series of disciplinary lapses by the pair and the Blues responded by trading Garlett to Melbourne for an exchange of late draft picks and delisting Robinson after a suitable trade could not be done.
Robinson was subsequently picked up by the Brisbane Lions as a delisted free agent.
Murphy said on Tuesday the Blues' playing group and coaches had "certainly had enough" of Garlett and Robinson's behaviour.
The skipper said the squad could no longer trust the pair.
"We tried to help those two guys enormously over the journey. It's just, how many chances do you give them?" Murphy said.
Murphy said Carlton had set an example by playing Garlett in the VFL for an extended period last season even though he was "probably in [the club's] top 10 or 15 most talented players".
"He wasn't doing the team things and let himself down off the field as well," Murphy said.
"We didn't want to set an example of playing a guy like that.
"It was a good lesson."
I was flicking through the phantom drafts and just saw this.
28. Carlton - Reece McKenzie
Northern Knights
Height: 196 cm
Weight: 100 kg
Position: Key forward/ruck
Player comparison: Jonathon Patton
Strengths: Contested marking, work rate, strength
Areas needing improvement: Goal kicking consistency, keeping emotions in check
Son of 1987 Carlton premiership player Warren McKenzie, Reece is an incredibly imposing key forward. He has the ability to win the game off his own boot: however, it depends which McKenzie shows up. His 10 goal TAC Cup game really put him on the map, but for a while recruiters were hoping he'd just go along quietly for a draft day steal. He has high expectations of himself and can get a bit frustrated when things don't go his way, and as a result his goal kicking can be affected. That being said, he will get over that with maturity and his technique when taking set shots is sound.
I often see McKenzie at the gym, and he lifts an astounding amount of weight. His body looks like he has had three or four AFL pre-seasons. His body is more than ready to dominate at AFL from day one. He has been interested in body building for a while and played high level basketball as a 17 year old before coming back to football. McKenzie is a Marcellin College legend. He kicked 10 goals for the A team as a 16 year old, and his TAC Cup footy proves that wasn't a fluke.
His work rate is enormous: he constantly leads up, and often grabs several uncontested marks on the lead inside 50, as he puts in repeat efforts and isn't afraid to get up towards centre half forward. Despite only playing 10 games, McKenzie came second in the league goal kicking with 35 goals. His highlights included 10 against the Ranges, seven against Northern Territory and six against Bendigo. Mckenzie averaged 7.1 marks per game, and 3.7 of those were contested. Don't forget, he is more than handy in the ruck and has had three games with more than 10 hitouts as a pinch hitter.
Against the Eastern Ranges, he had the most incredible one goal game I've ever seen. He had kicked four behinds, had nine marks (three of those contested), 16 disposals and 18 hitouts. He should have been best on ground by a mile, but couldn't kick straight. McKenzie can be frustrating, but his best is incredible. McKenzie's combine was astounding, with a 2.88 20 metre sprint and excellent results in the handballing and kicking competitions.
This is probably one of the most in depth write ups I have seen for Reece. If we can get him with our 2nd round pick I would be really happy. The fact he has passion and a really good work ethic should make him really coachable and we can hopefully get him to play some brilliant consistent footy in a couple of years
Source?
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 26, 2014, 09:56:41 PM
I was flicking through the phantom drafts and just saw this.
It was one of those ones on the Bound For Glory site.
http://boundforglorynews.com/jourdan-canils-september-phantom-draft/
if only there was a convenient search engine you could copy paste a paragraph into and it'd come up with the precise link...:P
I'd be stoked with Lamb at 19 and McKenzie at 28. :D
But feel McKenzie will go a little early. :(
Boekhurst will be 28. A slight chance you'll even take him at 19
Yeah, it sounds like Boekhorst at 28 is a safe bet.
Interesting, thanks guys. Honestly didn't know the guy existed!
Pick 28: Carlton Blaine Boekhorst
Position: Midfielder
Club: Swan Districts
Height: 184 cm, Weight: 69 kg, DOB:
Plays like: Brent Stanton
Speed, speed, and more speed. Its the hallmark of Boekhorsts game. The mature-age midfielder had a break-out season at league level for Swan Districts this year, averaging 21 disposals and running amok in the midfield. Boekhorsts ability to breakaway from opponents is the feature in his cap. He tucks the ball under his arm, and rates elite for meters gained, and was one of the highest rating WAFL players this year for bounces per game. He loves to give and get, and is sublime by foot going inside 50 to hit up a target, or go the journey himself. He navigates congestion well with a terrific side step, owing to his solid agility. After hes broken away, when hes in space hes a really handy user of the ball. Hes got good composure and makes the right decision with his disposal. He likes to move the ball long and direct, but his vision to execute a switch through the middle of the ground, squaring the ball up from a wing is something he does with ease. Hes shown enough to suggest that he has an inside game, and has often been utilised at the stoppages and centre square. Silk on the outside, Boekhorst averaged an elite 73 per cent disposal efficiency from his 19 senior outings, but needs to work on his defensive game.
Quote from: Vinny on November 27, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
Plays like: Brent Stanton
Thats a disgusting comparison. Nothing like Stants. Was that Bound for Glory man?
Hahaha man I'm quicker than Brent Stanton, yet they say Boekhurst's biggest attribute is his pace? Nothing like Stanton then :p
Quote from: Ricochet on November 27, 2014, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: Vinny on November 27, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
Plays like: Brent Stanton
Thats a disgusting comparison. Nothing like Stants. Was that Bound for Glory man?
The bit that annoys me is that the player comparison is "Brent Stanton" and the first five lines of the profile are "speed, speed, and more speed".
ele pls.
Quote from: elephants on November 27, 2014, 10:54:08 AM
Hahaha man I'm quicker than Brent Stanton, yet they say Boekhurst's biggest attribute is his pace? Nothing like Stanton then :p
haha yep. Pace, awareness, his disposal and lateral movement are Boekhurst's main attributes
Haha yeah I was confused by that, that was Paige.
Who would you guys compare him to? We do need pace and good disposal as well as lateral movement.
Quote from: Vinny on November 27, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
Haha yeah I was confused by that, that was Paige.
Who would you guys compare him to? We do need pace and good disposal as well as lateral movement.
I'm actually struggling to pick an established player to compare him to lol. Like when he plays inside his movement through traffic, sidestep and clean hands in congestion are so much like SMitchell, but his frame is nothing like him and he's quick. So he'll definitely play more outside at AFL level. He gives, goes and gets it back so often and will sell bucketloads of candy. I dunno, I'll keep thinking but hard to put a player to compare him to. But definitely not Stants haha
Quote from: Ricochet on November 27, 2014, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: Vinny on November 27, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
Haha yeah I was confused by that, that was Paige.
Who would you guys compare him to? We do need pace and good disposal as well as lateral movement.
I'm actually struggling to pick an established player to compare him to lol. Like when he plays inside his movement through traffic, sidestep and clean hands in congestion are so much like SMitchell, but his frame is nothing like him and he's quick. So he'll definitely play more outside at AFL level. He gives, goes and gets it back so often and will sell bucketloads of candy. I dunno, I'll keep thinking but hard to put a player to compare him to. But definitely not Stants haha
I can't think of a genuine comparison either, but yeah... not Stanton. :P
Hahaha okay fair enough guys. Has this dude just popped up recently? I can't remember seeing him in any Top 40s or being spoken about at all. May have just missed him though.
I want Reece McKenzie so you can have Lamb, Vinny
Quote from: Vinny on November 27, 2014, 11:18:20 AM
Hahaha okay fair enough guys. Has this dude just popped up recently? I can't remember seeing him in any Top 40s or being spoken about at all. May have just missed him though.
Carlton and Essendon have always been keen as a top 40 pick, last month it had come into a 20s pick. Now could be 19 (more likely 28).
Phantom drafts have only had him in the late 20s for a week or two now
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 27, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
I want Reece McKenzie so you can have Lamb, Vinny
You don't want Goddard 2.0 that looks like Heppell? :P
Quote from: Ricochet on November 27, 2014, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: Vinny on November 27, 2014, 11:18:20 AM
Hahaha okay fair enough guys. Has this dude just popped up recently? I can't remember seeing him in any Top 40s or being spoken about at all. May have just missed him though.
Carlton and Essendon have always been keen as a top 40 pick, last month it had come into a 20s pick. Now could be 19 (more likely 28).
Phantom drafts have only had him in the late 20s for a week or two now
Ah alright, sweet.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 27, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
I want Reece McKenzie so you can have Lamb, Vinny
Sure! I want Lamb.
I will take either Lamb or McKenzie, in fact lets have both. The more I read on Lamb he could be our Fyfe with his overhead marking ability and the fact he can go into the midfield as well.
Boekhorst also fits the bill of what we need. We need an outside runner. I don't think he will go with our first round pick, he will be 22 next season, teams will be skeptical taking him in the 1st round when he is much older then the other kids around and he is so lightly built. It does seem a bit like an Issac Smith pick if we do take him early, an older, fast outside player that really just established himself over 1 season in the WAFL and is a mature age recruit. As long as we don't take two inside mids I will be happy.
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 27, 2014, 12:40:56 PM
Boekhorst also fits the bill of what we need. We need an outside runner. I don't think he will go with our first round pick, he will be 22 next season, teams will be skeptical taking him in the 1st round when he is much older then the other kids around and he is so lightly built.
Yeh because his build is so immature they're actually comparing him to 18yr olds and putting less weight on his age. And against 18yr olds he would dominate. Thats why he has bolted in so much recently
If we grabbed Lamb and McKenzie/Boekhorst I'd be happy.
Kristian Jaksch, Tom Lamb, Blaine Boekhorst/Reece McKenzie, Mark Whiley, Matthew Dick and Liam Jones is a decent off-season. Let's hope we can pick up a few gems with our late picks.
Man, I wish we had more draft picks. :P
All I have to say is
What the uck?
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Enjoy.
Quote from: Nige on November 27, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
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Enjoy.
Ahh, the internet. Always saves our treasured moments to look back on ;)
He's actually a Blues supporter. I would say most have said similar recently :P
:-X
Blaine Boekhurst
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Clem Smith
Jayden Foster
Could have been Jayden Laverde, Tom Lamb, Reece McKenzie & Clem Smith/Jayden Foster. :(
Not very impressed. :(
Got a good one in Viojo-Rainbow.
Hahaha that's awkward. Mick will be getting ready to give him a flogging on the track first thing Monday morning I reckon
Very odd choice with pick 19 i reckon. Laverde, Goddard or Daniel McKenzie still there. Even if they went one of those and Boekhurst i would have been a lot happier. Reece McKenzie(son of Warren) still there in the 70's too, and we passed @pick71. Still got two spots to fill on the main list, 1 for Tutt. Truth is in the pudding i suppose. Clem Smith maybe a good one at pick 61, as long he can handle city life.
Quote from: Nige on November 27, 2014, 09:29:18 PM
Got a good one in Viojo-Rainbow.
New challenger for best name in the AFL?
Quote from: AFEV on November 27, 2014, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 27, 2014, 09:29:18 PM
Got a good one in Viojo-Rainbow.
New challenger for best name in the AFL?
The commentators are definitely gonna love it, I think he'll become a cult hero with that name.
At least we will have SOS next year. Well actually, I think we will make that two when the draft next season is all said and done. The Son of Serge and Son of Stephen combo will be our next great hope!!!!
I am still pissed about last night
The fact it was a deep KPP draft and we didn't grab either with our first two picks, had McKenzie somehow get there in the 60's and passed, yeah, still pissed.
So to sum it up
Passed on Leverde (who was considered potential top 5 a couple weeks ago), passed on Goddard (who was pushing for top 10), instead drafted a 22 year old with pace that weighs 69 kg's and we could have got him with our 2nd pick, got a half back instead of going after Lamb, drafted a fat Byron Pickett who is a back pocket with no tank and no defensive side to his game, drafted our first KPP at 60 something and he wasn't expected to get drafted in a year the KPP's were deep, passed on McKenzie who was talked about as a pick in the 19-30 range and let him slip to Richmond with like pick 70 something (yeah he was on the board and we passed). Oh and no key defender drafted either and now we are going to waste a pick on Tutt who is a dud when there are some decent kids still around and guys like both Saad's, Lambert/Marcon and a bunch of other guys available and we won't get any of those guys either. This reminds me of that season the Philadelphia Eagles drafted the 27 year old firefighter Danny Watkins with their first round pick.....
I wanted at least one KPP in the first 2 picks, if we had have gone Lavarde and Boekhorst I would have been fine with it due to the fact Laverde was so highly rated and he was there.
At least Philly won today, that made me happy.
Imagine. I've said it a million times but we could have had Laverde, Lamb & McKenzie. FFS.
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
Imagine. I've said it a million times but we could have had Laverde, Lamb & McKenzie. FFS.
The funny thing is when people are like "Trust Mick and the recruiting staff" then 2 minutes later "OUR RECRUITING STAFF SUCKS, THEY DRAFTED BOOTSMA AND KANE LUCASZZZZZ!!!11!!!"
I can't wait to sign SoS back
Just got to wait and see I guess. Our last two first round picks have been guns in Menzel and Cripps. Fingers crossed.
The late picks are a worry though.
I guess if we end up with a top 4 pick next year there is a chance to draft a KPP.
Actually in SOS we trust, that should become Carlton's new motto. He will look for a coach when they sack Malthouse and then he will start raping teams like he did to the Doggies in the Boyd deal. Then we will get Treloar and Shiel due to our new tank job and the fact we now have SoS and they are both Carlton supporters
Haha that's something to look forward too. Wasn't really around for much of SOS but the fans love him and good to have a club legend back.
If we do go after Shiel or Treloar, the Top 5 pick is definitely gone obviously.
How good is Jack Silvagni meant to be?
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 03:52:22 PM
Haha that's something to look forward too. Wasn't really around for much of SOS but the fans love him and good to have a club legend back.
If we do go after Shiel or Treloar, the Top 5 pick is definitely gone obviously.
How good is Jack Silvagni meant to be?
SOS is awesome, he was one of my fav players growing up. I still hate Milburn for cleaning him out. I think I was 11 when that happened and every time I would go to the footy and Carlton played Geelong the whole crowd will boo him. He actually played a huge part in getting that St Kilda back line to play well in their premiership window and has now gone onto drafting those guns that the Giants have running around on the park.
Onto Jack, he was tearing it up in the juniors at one point, SOS had some issues with the club and it was looking increasingly likely that Jack would be a father son pick so he had to start sorting that out. Since then he has returned for a few of the functions but I think Jack's progress has slowed down because I haven't heard/read as much on him in the last year. He will be eligible to be drafted next year which I think was one of the issues with SOS coming back as a list manager. There is an obvious conflict of interest there, but if he shows enough I think they will go the Donald/Luke McDonald route on the situation. We just need to get SOS in the door
Very nice man. Hopefully he gets back into it and we can draft him!
I've read a bit about him and some sources are telling me that after drafting with GWS he is taking an extended break others are tell me that he is coming to Carlton. Pretty sure the latter is happening.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stars-finally-align-for-stephen-silvagnis-return-to-carlton-20141121-11rb9w.html
I'm a bit confused by this whole list manager thing, I can't find it on the actual staff list. Who is our current list manager? I'm aware we made a massive play for the Hawks one mid-season. So Shane Rogers is recruiting manager? I'm do confused haha.
I don't think we have a dedicated list manager. I think the role is split between Rogers, Andy Mac and Trigg with the coaches involvement. That is why they are on the hunt to have someone in the dedicated role.
Fair enough. That'd be awesome.
All we need now is Paul Roos. :P
So I've been doing some reading about these guys we drafted and spoke to Ric about Boekhorst. The reading I did was on BigFooty. There is mainly spastics on there but a few people know their stuff about these picks. Worth a read.
Doesn't look too bad actually, we did miss out on some other guns but I'm reading about Clem Smith & Jayden Foster is decent. McKenzie is the only one I'm really disappointed about, but really, there has to be a reason he went so low. Especially considering many thought he was going Pick 30.
Don't be corrupted by those dipshowers Vin. I just figured out recently the mods go through the Carlton boards and clean out any opinions that don't match their agenda in certain threads.
As I said, I wouldn't have minded the Boekhorst pick so much if he was a 2nd rounder or we got Leverde/Lamb/Goddard or even McKenzie late. He does fit a need but the fact is it will be a lot easier to get a pacy mid over the next few years then great KPP prospects.
I think the reason that McKenzie would have dropped is because he is still very raw as a footballer. He did play footy growing up but he went to play basketball and only went back to footy this year. He is probably a lot like Hampson in his development but with better hands and a better football nous from what I have read. He is also probably a similar player to Levi which might cause issues, but considering we have Kreuz and 2 spuds backing him up in the ruck another guy that can pinch hit in the ruck would have been very handy.
My dad just said Carlton may have kept one of their picks because they are going to draft Andrew McInnes again, I think he said he was listening to SEN so they are about as reliable as the spaz's on Big Footy
Haha this was more draft profiles and highlights people have posted man. Majority of people are making lame jokes and making showerty nicknames.
I don't know, as Ric and others said. Boekhorst wasn't going to be around after Pick 20 and Carlton were really keen on him. He suits all our needs with his pace, good disposal and he reads it well. Rainbow is pretty decent too, would have much preferred Lamb though.
Like you I'm just gutted we didn't get McKenzie. But all that doesn't explain why a guy touted to go Top 30 was left until the last 5 picks of the draft. Very interesting! The fact that he went to Richmond is probably the worst part.
Hahaha wow at re-drafting McInnes.
I didn't see the point in delisting him in the first place but they must have realised they have F'ed up somewhere along the way if they are going to draft him again
Quote from: Mat0369 on November 28, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
I didn't see the point in delisting him in the first place but they must have realised they have F'ed up somewhere along the way if they are going to draft him again
clubs do it all the time not that big a deal
They're just moving him from the senior to the rookie list but still wow.
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 08:20:02 PM
They're just moving him from the senior to the rookie list but still wow.
Actually, we have 2 picks in the pre-season draft, so maybe not. He will be back on the senior list
Still, I don't know why they delisted him in the first place
Much preferred if they had taken a punt on McKenzie rather than redrafting McInnes. Gotta be in it to win it and McKenzie may turn out to be a good'un @ pick 71. :o
As for not gettin Laverde. Bomber's are having a giggle about that one. pfffffft
Apparently Boekhurst's nickname at the club is "Tweet" lol
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-01/mick-sweet-on-tweet
I never saw what the big deal was anyway. Sounded more like a passionate supporter.
Quote from: Ricochet on December 01, 2014, 10:42:12 AM
Apparently Boekhurst's nickname at the club is "Tweet" lol
Absolute ripper haha.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on December 01, 2014, 01:09:07 PM
I never saw what the big deal was anyway. Sounded more like a passionate supporter.
Not ideal calling for your coach and teammates heads haha. Mick seemed to take it in good spirits though
I guess that's why a lot of players in the mix for the draft sort of seperate themselves from barracking and concentrate on themselves. You never know where you will end up
Quote from: quinny88 on December 01, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on December 01, 2014, 01:09:07 PM
I never saw what the big deal was anyway. Sounded more like a passionate supporter.
Not ideal calling for your coach and teammates heads haha. Mick seemed to take it in good spirits though
I guess that's why a lot of players in the mix for the draft sort of seperate themselves from barracking and concentrate on themselves. You never know where you will end up
If I was a Carlton supporter I would've said the same thing. Its never easy to watch through an entire gutless performance.
What amuses me more is that someone has gone through a random draftee's twitter page back dated 7 months ago for the sole purpose of creating a meaningless story.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on December 01, 2014, 05:59:51 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 01, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on December 01, 2014, 01:09:07 PM
I never saw what the big deal was anyway. Sounded more like a passionate supporter.
Not ideal calling for your coach and teammates heads haha. Mick seemed to take it in good spirits though
I guess that's why a lot of players in the mix for the draft sort of seperate themselves from barracking and concentrate on themselves. You never know where you will end up
If I was a Carlton supporter I would've said the same thing. Its never easy to watch through an entire gutless performance.
What amuses me more is that someone has gone through a random draftee's twitter page back dated 7 months ago for the sole purpose of creating a meaningless story.
Not if you knew there was a chance you could be playing for them in a few months time though haha.
But yeah, it's a non story. Just funny though. I bet he was nervous what Micks reaction would be haha
Fake account but i still laughed
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Is Blaine Boekhorst gonna be as prominent as Brock McLean on Twitter? :P
Quote from: Ricochet on December 01, 2014, 06:14:05 PM
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#lad
Hahaha that's gold.
Can you imagine the first time Mick gives him a spray? He will bottle it up and then let loose one day and it will all come out
"WHY DIDNT YOU F****ING CHASE!?... OH AND I HAVENT FORGOT ABOUT THE F***ING TWEETS!"
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
Fair enough. That'd be awesome.
All we need now is Paul Roos. :P
So I've been doing some reading about these guys we drafted and spoke to Ric about Boekhorst. The reading I did was on BigFooty. There is mainly spastics on there but a few people know their stuff about these picks. Worth a read.
Doesn't look too bad actually, we did miss out on some other guns but I'm reading about Clem Smith & Jayden Foster is decent. McKenzie is the only one I'm really disappointed about, but really, there has to be a reason he went so low. Especially considering many thought he was going Pick 30.
I think the only reason Clem Smith even got that deep into the draft is he was under an injury cloud. Back injuries are not fun to fix. But if you get him fixed up he will be a gem.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on December 01, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
Fair enough. That'd be awesome.
All we need now is Paul Roos. :P
So I've been doing some reading about these guys we drafted and spoke to Ric about Boekhorst. The reading I did was on BigFooty. There is mainly spastics on there but a few people know their stuff about these picks. Worth a read.
Doesn't look too bad actually, we did miss out on some other guns but I'm reading about Clem Smith & Jayden Foster is decent. McKenzie is the only one I'm really disappointed about, but really, there has to be a reason he went so low. Especially considering many thought he was going Pick 30.
I think the only reason Clem Smith even got that deep into the draft is he was under an injury cloud. Back injuries are not fun to fix. But if you get him fixed up he will be a gem.
and the fact that he's fat
Quote from: Ricochet on December 01, 2014, 06:22:25 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on December 01, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
Fair enough. That'd be awesome.
All we need now is Paul Roos. :P
So I've been doing some reading about these guys we drafted and spoke to Ric about Boekhorst. The reading I did was on BigFooty. There is mainly spastics on there but a few people know their stuff about these picks. Worth a read.
Doesn't look too bad actually, we did miss out on some other guns but I'm reading about Clem Smith & Jayden Foster is decent. McKenzie is the only one I'm really disappointed about, but really, there has to be a reason he went so low. Especially considering many thought he was going Pick 30.
I think the only reason Clem Smith even got that deep into the draft is he was under an injury cloud. Back injuries are not fun to fix. But if you get him fixed up he will be a gem.
and the fact that he's fat
Just a little tubby. :P
Quote from: Ricochet on December 01, 2014, 06:22:25 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on December 01, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
Fair enough. That'd be awesome.
All we need now is Paul Roos. :P
So I've been doing some reading about these guys we drafted and spoke to Ric about Boekhorst. The reading I did was on BigFooty. There is mainly spastics on there but a few people know their stuff about these picks. Worth a read.
Doesn't look too bad actually, we did miss out on some other guns but I'm reading about Clem Smith & Jayden Foster is decent. McKenzie is the only one I'm really disappointed about, but really, there has to be a reason he went so low. Especially considering many thought he was going Pick 30.
I think the only reason Clem Smith even got that deep into the draft is he was under an injury cloud. Back injuries are not fun to fix. But if you get him fixed up he will be a gem.
and the fact that he's fat
Not fat, just produced a 'higher than usual skin-fold reading' :P
During the draft, when we drafted Clem Smith I had no idea who it was and clicked on his pic
Then I made a comment that said he looked like the fat version of this guy
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/05/22/1226060/360072-byron-pickett.jpg)
Then I read this today somewhere
Quote"Everyone is saying Byron Pickett. I had a look on youtube about him - yeah, definitely there is a similarity there," Smith said on Monday.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-blue-clem-smith-channels-byron-picketts-toughness-20141201-11xmp3.html
Turns out I am not the only one
Quote from: elephants on December 01, 2014, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on December 01, 2014, 06:22:25 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on December 01, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
Fair enough. That'd be awesome.
All we need now is Paul Roos. :P
So I've been doing some reading about these guys we drafted and spoke to Ric about Boekhorst. The reading I did was on BigFooty. There is mainly spastics on there but a few people know their stuff about these picks. Worth a read.
Doesn't look too bad actually, we did miss out on some other guns but I'm reading about Clem Smith & Jayden Foster is decent. McKenzie is the only one I'm really disappointed about, but really, there has to be a reason he went so low. Especially considering many thought he was going Pick 30.
I think the only reason Clem Smith even got that deep into the draft is he was under an injury cloud. Back injuries are not fun to fix. But if you get him fixed up he will be a gem.
and the fact that he's fat
Not fat, just produced a 'higher than usual skin-fold reading' :P
(http://i.imgur.com/kFIFwLe.jpg)
Quote from: quinny88 on December 01, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 01, 2014, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on December 01, 2014, 06:22:25 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on December 01, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 28, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
Fair enough. That'd be awesome.
All we need now is Paul Roos. :P
So I've been doing some reading about these guys we drafted and spoke to Ric about Boekhorst. The reading I did was on BigFooty. There is mainly spastics on there but a few people know their stuff about these picks. Worth a read.
Doesn't look too bad actually, we did miss out on some other guns but I'm reading about Clem Smith & Jayden Foster is decent. McKenzie is the only one I'm really disappointed about, but really, there has to be a reason he went so low. Especially considering many thought he was going Pick 30.
I think the only reason Clem Smith even got that deep into the draft is he was under an injury cloud. Back injuries are not fun to fix. But if you get him fixed up he will be a gem.
and the fact that he's fat
Not fat, just produced a 'higher than usual skin-fold reading' :P
(http://i.imgur.com/kFIFwLe.jpg)
haha that is a ripper
Personally, I think it's fine. You expect your supporters to be passionate, yes slightly awkward but it's not even a big deal. But it's pretty funny haha.
I'm also starting to warm to the guys we drafted after doing some more reading and watching some highlights. The only thing is I'd prefer if we had used another draft pick on McKenzie. He has his fair share of critics though, hope they are right and he doesn't prove them wrong. :P
Quote from: Vinny on December 01, 2014, 07:39:50 PM
Personally, I think it's fine. You expect your supporters to be passionate, yes slightly awkward but it's not even a big deal. But it's pretty funny haha.
I'm also starting to warm to the guys we drafted after doing some more reading and watching some highlights. The only thing is I'd prefer if we had used another draft pick on McKenzie. He has his fair share of critics though, hope they are right and he doesn't prove them wrong. :P
He's gonna kick 10 against you lot in round 1 Vin ;)
Haha nah in all honesty it sounds like he needs a bit of conditioning.
May not play in his first year
Haha I think I'd cry, hopefully he isn't played once and spends the whole year turning into a machine then requests a trade to Carlton. 8)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-02/rowes-rise-continues
new leadership group
Murphy, Gibbs, Rowe, Jamo & Henderson for those who cbf clicking.
Simmo, Walker, Carazzo and McLean leaving the group.
Quote from: Vinny on December 02, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
Murphy, Gibbs, Rowe, Jamo & Henderson for those who cbf clicking.
Simmo, Walker, Carazzo and McLean leaving the group.
Is this the replacement committee for Mick? :o
Simmo out is interesting. Carrots out is probably due to his body. Then again, you don't have to be in the leadership group to be a leader.
Yeah the article says all three willingly stepped down to let the next generation of leaders emerge and to focus on getting their bodies right and playing good footy each week. But like you have don't have to be in the leadership to lead.
Also, it's great to see what Rowe has accomplished, after battling cancer, he has established himself as a pretty good defender and made something of himself and is now in the leadership group.
Yeah, Rowe is one of the real feel good story that the AFL has.
such low form from Mick again they did to Kane Lucas the same as they did with McLean told Lucas he was a required player then axe him and Mick cant even give him a call
Clubs do that all the time man. Just the nature of the business.
Also its not just Mick's call either, others have more say
i meant a phone call
as if it's not hard for him to make a 5min phone call
Yeh so did I. Kane isn't the first not to receive a call, and won't be the last
yeah, not overly fussed.
Patrick Cripps signed on until the end of 2017. 8)
Quote from: Vinny on December 04, 2014, 06:44:24 PM
Patrick Cripps signed on until the end of 2017. 8)
Poor kid really doesn't know what he is doing :P
It is still ironic regarding his Waite comments
Lucas ruffling a few feathers on the way out?
Sam Edmund @SammyHeraldSun 16m16 minutes ago
Blues pretty agitated by Lucas' claims he was misled. @CarltonFC adamant he wasn't told he was staying before delisting him. Only ever 50-50
Round 2 will be good haha
Quote from: elephants on December 05, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
Round 2 will be good haha
Why, who is Lucas' WAFL team coming up against that round? :P
Quote from: roo boys! on December 05, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 05, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
Round 2 will be good haha
Why, who is Lucas' WAFL team coming up against that round? :P
Pretty sure we're allowed a rookie upgrade pre-round 1 yeah? haha
Quote from: elephants on December 06, 2014, 01:53:34 AM
Quote from: roo boys! on December 05, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 05, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
Round 2 will be good haha
Why, who is Lucas' WAFL team coming up against that round? :P
Pretty sure we're allowed a rookie upgrade pre-round 1 yeah? haha
Or Waters will get a LTI, Thats pretty much a certainty these days, isn't it?
what do you guys think about Sheehan he looked pretty good you think he will be best 22?
Quote from: elephants on December 06, 2014, 01:53:34 AM
Quote from: roo boys! on December 05, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 05, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
Round 2 will be good haha
Why, who is Lucas' WAFL team coming up against that round? :P
Pretty sure we're allowed a rookie upgrade pre-round 1 yeah? haha
I don't think that's why he'll be in the WAFL
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on December 08, 2014, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 06, 2014, 01:53:34 AM
Quote from: roo boys! on December 05, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 05, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
Round 2 will be good haha
Why, who is Lucas' WAFL team coming up against that round? :P
Pretty sure we're allowed a rookie upgrade pre-round 1 yeah? haha
I don't think that's why he'll be in the WAFL
So many haters, give the cow a crack!
He has so many haters because he is showerhouse
Quote from: Mat0369 on December 08, 2014, 03:02:29 PM
He has so many haters because he is showerhouse
Hahaha, I actually love how much hate you have for him
When he starts butchering the ball for his WAFL club you will understand
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-09/young-blues-to-step-up
CARLTON deputy-vice captain Michael Jamison has nominated Sam Docherty, Patrick Cripps, Troy Menzel and Dylan Buckley as the players most likely to step up for the Blues next season.
The quartet make up the changing face of Carlton's list, with a number of familiar faces - namely Mitch Robinson, Jarrad Waite and Jeff Garlett - departing the club in the past few months.
Docherty, Cripps, Menzel and Buckley all showed positive signs in 2014 and it is only natural the emerging talents contribute more next season.
That's certainly how Jamison sees things.
"Importantly the development of guys like Docherty, Cripps, Menzel and Buckley has been the most impressive thing for me this pre-season," Jamison said on Tuesday.
"The strides they've taken in their leadership has been terrific and it's certainly helped the guys like myself and Bryce (Gibbs) in the leadership group tremendously."
Some promising info regarding Docherty and Cripps...
Also this on Dick,
"It really helps with the guys we've got into the club like (delisted free agent) Matt Dick from Sydney who can go through the backline and possibly release Walks," Jamison said.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/33opnbl.jpg)
8)
In SOS we trust
I was looking at a "what is the greatest sporting moment you have seen?" discussion and thought about how lucky I was in 2011.
I was able to see two of the best marks of the year (one should have got mark of the year but was robbed) and that ridiculous goal Betts kicked where he sidestepped 3 before snapping. He ended up kicking 8 that night then I went to the final where they destroyed Essendon.
The goal I am talking about is at 3.19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-dAz1eJm0
I was on the opposite flank for this one so I had a perfect side view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTcZV7uTFU
This one I was on the same side of the field but the flank on the other end so I had a great front view of the mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc8G2e8iKRY
Welcome back sos its been way to long
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-16/jaksch-banishes-foot-blues?utm_medium=RSS
CARLTON recruit Kristian Jaksch's foot injury is not as bad as first thought, with the club confident he will resume full training at the start of January.
Jaksch, who was traded to the Blues from Greater Western Sydney in the off-season, was expected to miss up to two months after being diagnosed in mid-November with a stress reaction in the navicular bone in his left foot.
The club was worried the injury could turn into a stress fracture if not properly treated.
But the promising 20-year-old has since resumed running and should be cleared for full-contact training after the Christmas break.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-18/blues-trade-bargains
Yarran strained his calf in training today and will miss a couple weeks training. :(
Cripps also hurt his ankle but will only miss two days and be back training on Saturday.
If Yaz could stop getting soft tissue injuries that would be nice
heard that Yarran only did it on a bike as well
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-29/blues-not-worried-by-walker?utm_medium=RSS
ANDREW Walker's recovery from knee surgery has been slower than expected but Carlton is hopeful the half-back will play some part in its NAB Challenge campaign.
Walker had knee surgery in July last year after managing lingering soreness for much of 2014's first 17 rounds. The 28-year-old has not made the trip to Mt Buller this week for Carlton's five-day training camp.
But Carlton coaching director Rob Wiley said on Thursday Walker had started running again and remained some chance of playing the Blues' final two NAB Challenge games.
"He's just been a little bit slow and it's a matter of just monitoring him and maintaining a smart sort of way of training," Wiley said.
"But he'll be like a new recruit coming in having missed a fair part of last year.
"The good thing about Andrew is he's a very fit young man, he's got that ability to come through with his athleticism. He'll just fit back in nicely
Hopefully he is fine for when the season starts, doesn't look to be a big deal though.
In terms of SC, if he plays one NAB cup game worry free, I'll pick him. Priced at 87 and if he plays off half-back will go 100+ easily.
Yeh I have him in my SC side as well man. Potential to be the highest scoring back this year
Quote from: Ricochet on January 29, 2015, 07:50:54 PM
Yeh I have him in my SC side as well man. Potential to be the highest scoring back this year
Yeah for sure, plus he has a good bye. Just gotta hope his body holds up which I am pretty sure it will but never know.
I am picking three premium Blues this year. Simpson, Walker and Murphy (I know heaps have written him off but going him over Watson as a POD).
Last year only picked Simpson and Daisy. Daisy backfired.
I actually think Daisy will do really well this year but doesn't fit my team. First full pre-season in like 5 years.
If Yarran's body holds up, can be a 90-95 defender. Went 86 unsubbed last year. Watch Docherty for a break-out as everyone knows.
Those are just random SC thoughts about Carlton players. :P
yep I fully agree with all of that mate. The only reason I'm not starting Murphy is because I've gone with a strategy of 4 120+ mids to start
Yeah fair enough man
If I go a Carlton mid I am seriously contemplating Gibbs. I have also gone with a rule of no more then 2 Carlton players (excluding playing rookies) because sometimes your heart can screw with your head. At the moment those two are Simmo and Kreuz otherwise if I let my heart get the better of me I would probably start 6 :P
Those 6 would be Simmo, Yaz/Walker, Gibbs/Murph, Kreuze and maybe Bell
do you guys thing Matthew Dick will get games?
They must've recruited him for something. I'd bet he'll get at least one chance
Nope.
Looking at spots in the backline there is no room. Between Yaz, Walker, Buckley, Sheehan, Tuohy, Simmo, Docherty and a few others he doesn't fit in
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 02, 2015, 01:34:21 AM
Nope.
Looking at spots in the backline there is no room. Between Yaz, Walker, Buckley, Sheehan, Tuohy, Simmo, Docherty and a few others he doesn't fit in
Reckon Yaz could play fwd now Mat? With the loss of Garlett.
I was thinking about it, he is a chance but I think he plays like more of a swing man. Jeffy didn't play any footy towards the end of the season so in terms of smalls I think they will be Ellard, Menz and Thomas. They also picked up Tutt so I am assuming he plays through there as well if her gets a game. Yaz might spend some time down forward but I think he will be rotating and hopefully also spends some time on the wings.
I think Walker might also play forward but there are still 6 or 7 pushing for the third tall and rebounding roles. The only Carlton rookie I see possibly getting some playing time is Boekhorst. Carlton were after some pace through the middle bet I think he is a vest candidate.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 02, 2015, 10:09:37 AM
I was thinking about it, he is a chance but I think he plays like more of a swing man. Jeffy didn't play any footy towards the end of the season so in terms of smalls I think they will be Ellard, Menz and Thomas. They also picked up Tutt so I am assuming he plays through there as well if her gets a game. Yaz might spend some time down forward but I think he will be rotating and hopefully also spends some time on the wings.
I think Walker might also play forward but there are still 6 or 7 pushing for the third tall and rebounding roles. The only Carlton rookie I see possibly getting some playing time is Boekhorst. Carlton were after some pace through the middle bet I think he is a vest candidate.
Ah thats right, forgot about those boys up forward. Yeh agree on Boehorst
It has been a pretty quiet pre-season. Other then the Juddy article yesterday there has not been a lot of media coverage. I don't know if this is a bad thing
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 04, 2015, 12:50:24 PM
It has been a pretty quiet pre-season. Other then the Juddy article yesterday there has not been a lot of media coverage. I don't know if this is a bad thing
Good thing IMO
'No news is good news'.
Similar situation at the Tiges, so I'm assuming all is well.
Well the only news is Aker is doing work experience at Carlton.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 04, 2015, 02:32:11 PM
Well the only news is Aker is doing work experience at Carlton.
:o
Not Fev?
Quote from: Nige on February 04, 2015, 02:33:45 PM
:o
Not Fev?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jason-akermanis-to-spend-week-with-mick-malthouse-and-blues-coaches-in-bid-to-pursue-coaching-dream/story-fni5f22o-1227206102953?nk=a135264a917991a52b1ac0886214bec7
I would also love for Fev to come and teach them how to kick at goal. He had an unorthodox kicking style (one hand really low and one really high) but he was an elite shot from deep.
Some of the boys were punished after the Buller camp for losing an activity, so all had to wear suits everyday for the week to training haha.
Levi is training very well I've heard which is great news.
Juddy has a mad beard which he should keep for the season.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 04, 2015, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: Nige on February 04, 2015, 02:33:45 PM
:o
Not Fev?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jason-akermanis-to-spend-week-with-mick-malthouse-and-blues-coaches-in-bid-to-pursue-coaching-dream/story-fni5f22o-1227206102953?nk=a135264a917991a52b1ac0886214bec7
I would also love for Fev to come and teach them how to kick at goal. He had an unorthodox kicking style (one hand really low and one really high) but he was an elite shot from deep.
good call, levi casboult call :D
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 04, 2015, 11:46:54 PM
good call, levi casboult call :D
Pretty much, Levi's drop is his issue, even if he goes with something more unconventional like Fev's he might see his accuracy improve
One other thing that I thought of but I doubt the club would do, I think it would be interesting to have a week long camp between two teams like they do in the NFL. So for example we strike a deal with Adelaide where they come to Visy for the week or we go to Adelaide and train with them. That way we can do a lot of one on one drills together. The reason I was thinking Adelaide is the former Carlton boys in Sauce and Eddie. So that way our small defenders can work against some quality opposition in terms of ruck work and small forwards. It would benefit both clubs but I could never see it happening.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 05, 2015, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on February 04, 2015, 11:46:54 PM
good call, levi casboult call :D
Pretty much, Levi's drop is his issue, even if he goes with something more unconventional like Fev's he might see his accuracy improve
One other thing that I thought of but I doubt the club would do, I think it would be interesting to have a week long camp between two teams like they do in the NFL. So for example we strike a deal with Adelaide where they come to Visy for the week or we go to Adelaide and train with them. That way we can do a lot of one on one drills together. The reason I was thinking Adelaide is the former Carlton boys in Sauce and Eddie. So that way our small defenders can work against some quality opposition in terms of ruck work and small forwards. It would benefit both clubs but I could never see it happening.
From memory I think the Scott brothers did something similar with Geelong and North
Quote from: Ricochet on February 05, 2015, 04:08:34 PM
From memory I think the Scott brothers did something similar with Geelong and North
That would be another reason those two teams are top 8
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 05, 2015, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on February 05, 2015, 04:08:34 PM
From memory I think the Scott brothers did something similar with Geelong and North
That would be another reason those two teams are top 8
yep bang on guys good work 8)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-10/blues-miracle-recovery?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
CARLTON recruit Krisitan Jaksch is eyeing off a start in the NAB Challenge after resuming full training.
The former Giant was diagnosed with a stress reaction in his left foot in mid-November last year.
The initial prognosis had Jaksch missing most of season 2015. However further scans and consultation with experts showed the 20-year-old had avoided a serious injury.
Great news! 8)
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-02-16/carlton-injury-update
Carlton’s Matthew Kreuzer has suffered an injury setback, which will cause him to miss the opening rounds of the season.
Kreuzer suffered some discomfort in his foot at a training session late last week.
Upon further investigation late today, scans and a consultation with club doctors have tonight revealed he has a hairline fracture of the fifth metatarsal in his right foot and will need to be in a moon-boot for 4-6 weeks before being further evaluated.
The injury is on the same foot that disrupted his 2014 season, but the fracture is in a different spot.
Carlton’s Head of Football Andrew McKay says he’s confident the big man will still play a major role for the Blues this season.
“It’s exceptionally disappointing for Matthew given all the hard work he has put in to get his body back to peak shape, but we’re confident he will play the majority of the season,†McKay said.
My mate just messaged me saying he had a fracture. This is where not drafting a ruck is going to come back and bite us. We need to groom someone because Kreuz can't get his body right and Spud A and Spud B are not AFL quality players. It sucks for Kreuz though, he was apparently flying before that. I think we might need to go out and spend big on some decent medicos. We have had far to many injuries over the last few seasons where the club couldn't diagnose it or it has been reoccuring. For Kreuz it might be as simple as wearing specialty desgin boots to fix his issues.
Does this mean Cameron Wood now comes into consideration or is he still on rookies list
Didn't know Cameron Wood still played, you'd think Warnock would be their number one now.
Spudnock probably gets first shot at the job since Wood is still rookie listed
Warnock #NDT #premium #Worlds
Hey Carlton, Callum Sinclair for Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs. Sound good?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-17/six-and-out
Kreuzer may miss more than six weeks
MATTHEW Kreuzer could be sidelined for longer than six weeks by the latest setback to his troublesome right foot, Carlton's head of football Andrew McKay says.
Kreuzer has been ruled out until at least the early rounds of the season after scans revealed a hairline fracture to his fifth metatarsal.
The 200cm big man suffered the injury after "an unfortunate movement of the foot" during an intra-squad match on Thursday and is expected to be in a moon boot for four to six weeks.
Apparently Troy Menzel helped off the ground with a quad injury in the intra-club match
Quote from: GoLions on February 20, 2015, 05:46:17 PM
Apparently Troy Menzel helped off the ground with a quad injury in the intra-club match
Yeh only a corkie by the sounds man.
Cripps is dominating apparently. And Daisy has had heaps of it but disposal has been down
Matthew Watson just slotted his 6th goal.
Quote from: Ricochet on February 20, 2015, 05:51:53 PM
Quote from: GoLions on February 20, 2015, 05:46:17 PM
Apparently Troy Menzel helped off the ground with a quad injury in the intra-club match
Yeh only a corkie by the sounds man.
Cripps is dominating apparently. And Daisy has had heaps of it but disposal has been down
Boekhorst also killing it.
sounds like Buckley is playing forward too
Gibbsy's hair is mad.
Menzel details
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-20/menzel-hurt-cripps-fires
Cripps have a spot?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-24/injury-blows-for-blues (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-24/injury-blows-for-blues)
QuoteCARLTON has suffered a double blow ahead of the NAB Challenge with defender Andrew Walker forced to undergo more surgery on his troublesome knee and skipper Marc Murphy ruled out for the next three weeks with a calf strain.
Murphy strained his calf in the Blues' intra-club game last Friday and has been ruled out of their opening NAB Challenge campaign game West Coast in Mandurah on Friday night.
But Carlton is hopeful the midfielder will be fit to play in its remaining two pre-season games against Collingwood in Bendigo on March 15 and Geelong at Etihad Stadium on March 22.
Shane Rogers quit
Saw something about him wanting SOS's job initially, so that's why he quit
It isn't exactly a surprise and it is a good thing. SOS is in charge now, he should have who he wants in and Rogers butchered a few selections already. They are pretty much cleaning house, next step should be the medicos/fitness staff and the coaches
Quote from: Ricochet on February 26, 2015, 06:26:57 PM
Saw something about him wanting SOS's job initially, so that's why he quit
He didn't want to answer to SOS was one of the things I read. There are a couple of articles around
Random depressing stat
Carlton against West Coast kicked 2 super goals, 4 goals and 5 behinds, so in a regular season game we kicked 6 goals 5
Eddie Betts and Waite playing against each other kicked 4.1 and 3.1 a piece combing for 7 goals 2. Waite and Betts outscored Carlton
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 01, 2015, 10:25:08 PM
Random depressing stat
Carlton against West Coast kicked 2 super goals, 4 goals and 5 behinds, so in a regular season game we kicked 6 goals 5
Eddie Betts and Waite playing against each other kicked 4.1 and 3.1 a piece combing for 7 goals 2. Waite and Betts outscored Carlton
Get used to it ;)
what's A Walker up to? cant remember if injured or what
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 14, 2015, 08:23:23 PM
what's A Walker up to? cant remember if injured or what
Don't think he is fully fit from memory?
Quote from: Money Shot on March 15, 2015, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 14, 2015, 08:23:23 PM
what's A Walker up to? cant remember if injured or what
Don't think he is fully fit from memory?
Walker pinched a cartilage in the same knee as last year and had to have surgery again. Six weeks, so probably won't be ready for RD1 and Malthouse said he will be used as a forward this year too in a recent Q&A.
Quote from: Vinny on March 15, 2015, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 15, 2015, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 14, 2015, 08:23:23 PM
what's A Walker up to? cant remember if injured or what
Don't think he is fully fit from memory?
Walker pinched a cartilage in the same knee as last year and had to have surgery again. Six weeks, so probably won't be ready for RD1 and Malthouse said he will be used as a forward this year too in a recent Q&A.
In other words cross him off your fantasy teams!
I can just see Micky Malthouse being the fantasy Coaches worst nightmare :-\
Jaksch, Boeckorst, Cripps, Dick, Byrne! Clem Smith? SHHHEEEEEEEEESSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Carn Mick, fair game? Keep the R1 guys in for 8 weeks? :P
you beauty had a preseason win over the wobbles and we do love beating the wobbles ;) hope it wont be a one off