NBA Season 2016/17

[Cookie Monster]

As much as I admire what Westbrook is doing, and as much as I want him to win MVP and average a triple-double this season. I'm getting so frustrated not getting any W's. OKC are still in touching distance of making the 4th playoff seed.

Through the first half of the season, I was in awe of the records he was breaking, but I found myself when he scored 58 the other day being frustrated with not getting an important win. We have the spurs tomorrow and that's going to make it tough to get further up the West.

If we can reach 6th we have a chance of reaching the second round but none against the spurs and if we're not careful the Warriors.

With the acquisition of Gibson, I reckon we're going to move Kanter at the end of the year and develop Sabonis under Taj. Good move as with that cap space can sign a great 2nd and 3rd option for Westbrook to work with.


Also, Westbrook will average the points and assists. He only needs to average 8.3 for the rest of the season to get that triple-double.


I could go on and on with my frustrations with the Thunder but it's no use. It's upsetting to see what's happened this season and i'll follow them throughout but it's got to a point where i'm not enjoying what Westbrook is doing anymore and thats sad.

[LaHug]

The one thing I'm really loving is that there's no risk of me feeling disappointed about the MVP result. As long as one of Harden, Leonard, Westbrook, James win, they deserve it. Sure, the others could feel robbed but 3 of those 4 are going to miss out anyway.

In a perfect world, we'd get some kind of miracle 4-way tie!

[killerbees]

As much as I admire what Westbrook is doing, and as much as I want him to win MVP and average a triple-double this season. I'm getting so frustrated not getting any W's. OKC are still in touching distance of making the 4th playoff seed.

Through the first half of the season, I was in awe of the records he was breaking, but I found myself when he scored 58 the other day being frustrated with not getting an important win. We have the spurs tomorrow and that's going to make it tough to get further up the West.

If we can reach 6th we have a chance of reaching the second round but none against the spurs and if we're not careful the Warriors.

With the acquisition of Gibson, I reckon we're going to move Kanter at the end of the year and develop Sabonis under Taj. Good move as with that cap space can sign a great 2nd and 3rd option for Westbrook to work with.


Also, Westbrook will average the points and assists. He only needs to average 8.3 for the rest of the season to get that triple-double.


I could go on and on with my frustrations with the Thunder but it's no use. It's upsetting to see what's happened this season and i'll follow them throughout but it's got to a point where i'm not enjoying what Westbrook is doing anymore and thats sad.

I've always wondered why there's not more Blake to OKC talk being his home town

[RiOtChEsS]

If Kawhi rests Spurs still win, how many games OKC gonna win if Russ sits ;D

If he averages the triple double on the season he will win the MVP, if not he won't win it :-X

[Holz]

just a fun stat to see what would happend if other players had there numbers adjusted to Westbrook ussage.

Westbrook 32.1 PPG  10.5 RPG 10 APG  5.5 TOV
Harden 35.6 PPG 9.7 RPG 13.7 APG 7.1 TOV
Kawhi 34.8 PPG 7.9 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 TOV
Lebron 36.7 RPG 11.6 RPG 12.4 APG 5.9 TOV

does make Westbrooks Turnovers look much better and harden shocking. Lebron is insane though, clearly the best player in the league.

pretty much every year people clutch to some flimsy argument on why the real best player shouldn't win. This year its a made up stat of triple doubles.

forget winning games, forget efficiency and how often you have it in your hands, forget turnovers, forget how you make others around you better.

im giving Lebron his 3rd straight RMVP and 8th total RMVP. Only guy in the last 9 years legitimately won a MVP over him and that is Kevin Durrant.

 

[LaHug]

just a fun stat to see what would happend if other players had there numbers adjusted to Westbrook ussage.

Westbrook 32.1 PPG  10.5 RPG 10 APG  5.5 TOV
Harden 35.6 PPG 9.7 RPG 13.7 APG 7.1 TOV
Kawhi 34.8 PPG 7.9 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 TOV
Lebron 36.7 RPG 11.6 RPG 12.4 APG 5.9 TOV

does make Westbrooks Turnovers look much better and harden shocking. Lebron is insane though, clearly the best player in the league.

pretty much every year people clutch to some flimsy argument on why the real best player shouldn't win. This year its a made up stat of triple doubles.

forget winning games, forget efficiency and how often you have it in your hands, forget turnovers, forget how you make others around you better.

im giving Lebron his 3rd straight RMVP and 8th total RMVP. Only guy in the last 9 years legitimately won a MVP over him and that is Kevin Durrant.

How can you say Durant deserved his MVP but Curry didn't (last year's one)? That was one of the most insane and efficient seasons ever.

[RiOtChEsS]

It isn't a flimsy stat, it has been done once in the history of the NBA and it would need to be acknowledged by those with votes...

If you adjust Russ' numbers to the Oscar era he is averaging something ridiculous like 45/15/15

[Holz]

just a fun stat to see what would happend if other players had there numbers adjusted to Westbrook ussage.

Westbrook 32.1 PPG  10.5 RPG 10 APG  5.5 TOV
Harden 35.6 PPG 9.7 RPG 13.7 APG 7.1 TOV
Kawhi 34.8 PPG 7.9 RPG 4.5 APG 2.6 TOV
Lebron 36.7 RPG 11.6 RPG 12.4 APG 5.9 TOV

does make Westbrooks Turnovers look much better and harden shocking. Lebron is insane though, clearly the best player in the league.

pretty much every year people clutch to some flimsy argument on why the real best player shouldn't win. This year its a made up stat of triple doubles.

forget winning games, forget efficiency and how often you have it in your hands, forget turnovers, forget how you make others around you better.

im giving Lebron his 3rd straight RMVP and 8th total RMVP. Only guy in the last 9 years legitimately won a MVP over him and that is Kevin Durrant.

How can you say Durant deserved his MVP but Curry didn't (last year's one)? That was one of the most insane and efficient seasons ever.

Simple.

if you compare 14 Durrant v Curry 16

Durrant 2 more rebounds and 1.4 less assists so lets balance those 2 categories out.

Durrant shot 39.1% from 3 point land to Curry's amazing 45.4% but they shot the same FG% so that means durrant was superior inside and he averaged 2 more points. So on offense slight edge to Durrant.

On defense I give big edge to Durrant.

lets end this curry hype from last season there was nothing all time great about it. What exactlye was all time great about it despite his 3 point percentage? you can make a claim it was all time great shooting season but certainly not an all time great season.

you need to take into account rebounding, passing, defending etc..

[Holz]

It isn't a flimsy stat, it has been done once in the history of the NBA and it would need to be acknowledged by those with votes...

If you adjust Russ' numbers to the Oscar era he is averaging something ridiculous like 45/15/15

question lets say he dips and goes 32 11 9.8 is he even in the conversation of MVP?

he has by far the most usage so of course his stats will look great, he has the ball in his hands like 40% of the time and has a low shooting percentage.

You dont think that Lebron could handle the ball and average a triple double easy? hes not that far off it with 29% ussage.

it is a useless stat getting a tripple double has absolutely no benefit to your team in the sense that 30 11 9 is no worse then 30 10 10 and yet one is a tripple double and one is not.

There is one impressive stat for Westbrook and that is that he is averaging that high in rebounds at his height. Does it really help his team? could he be saving that energy to use somewhere else?

He is clearly exerting more energy then Lebron and Leonard because deep down he knows the playoffs he cant win so why not go hard for a regular season award.

people have come very close magic almost did it in his 3rd year and easily could have done it but was smart enough to focus on his assits over his rebounding. He once went 23 7.9 12.8, you dont think he could have got those 2 rebounds if he wanted to if he sacrificed some of his passing.

[killerbees]

Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.

It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.

[Holz]

Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.

It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.

yeah all time 3 point shooting season. thats one facet of the game.

as i said Durrant is a great shooter, better then curry inside, a better re bounder and a better defender.

im not the biggest Jordan fan but he had 7-8 better seasons, was leaps ahead of curry in everything but shooting.

how about prime shaq?

how about Magic and Kareem?

the only thing curry did better was shoot.

[Holz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAkmWEDsmeM

Pretty good non stat points about westbrook.

[RiOtChEsS]

It isn't a flimsy stat, it has been done once in the history of the NBA and it would need to be acknowledged by those with votes...

If you adjust Russ' numbers to the Oscar era he is averaging something ridiculous like 45/15/15

question lets say he dips and goes 32 11 9.8 is he even in the conversation of MVP?

he has by far the most usage so of course his stats will look great, he has the ball in his hands like 40% of the time and has a low shooting percentage.

You dont think that Lebron could handle the ball and average a triple double easy? hes not that far off it with 29% ussage.

it is a useless stat getting a tripple double has absolutely no benefit to your team in the sense that 30 11 9 is no worse then 30 10 10 and yet one is a tripple double and one is not.

There is one impressive stat for Westbrook and that is that he is averaging that high in rebounds at his height. Does it really help his team? could he be saving that energy to use somewhere else?

He is clearly exerting more energy then Lebron and Leonard because deep down he knows the playoffs he cant win so why not go hard for a regular season award.

people have come very close magic almost did it in his 3rd year and easily could have done it but was smart enough to focus on his assits over his rebounding. He once went 23 7.9 12.8, you dont think he could have got those 2 rebounds if he wanted to if he sacrificed some of his passing.

You make some valid points... however

Nobody else "is doing it" you cannot marginalize something that has been done once in NBA history, defies logic

As i said previously, if he does not average the Triple Double he does not win the MVP because all the other factors such as team record, efficiency, usage etc etc start to work against him, when you try to quantify something so impressive that it has literally only been done once across an entire season, it can only mean one thing...

[RiOtChEsS]

When Westbrook triple doubles Thunder are 25/6, when he doesn't they are 11/23

[killerbees]

Curry's shooting last season is the reason they won so many, his irrational confidence in his shot, the way defences curved to him, the way he finished at the rim.

It was an all time season. Also we all know his defensive weaknesses but he is improved and the warriors didnt pay for him being on floor.

yeah all time 3 point shooting season. thats one facet of the game.

as i said Durrant is a great shooter, better then curry inside, a better re bounder and a better defender.

im not the biggest Jordan fan but he had 7-8 better seasons, was leaps ahead of curry in everything but shooting.

how about prime shaq?

how about Magic and Kareem?

the only thing curry did better was shoot.

Not discounting what any of them did, why do we need to discount others to say we saw greatness?

He changed the whole trajectory of the game for probably the next 5-10 years with the way he shot.

Comparing the rebounding of a PG against that of a 7 foot durant is not really relevant.

That warriors team that won the title then into 73 wins was built around Steph's gravitational pull, simple as that. There's a Simmons podcast on it where it points out why and how it's all time. If you are anti Steph it wont change your opinion i'm sure, but we def saw an all time season, it's also not purely about statistics i felt the same way watching Steph last year that i did watching peak MJ/Kobe/Shaq and seeing guys like Lebron and I saw Durant drop 43 on lakers in 14 live, you know you are watching something all time.

Watching Russ this year is a 1 man wrecking ball that i'm sure we will talk about for a long time. They got the W today based on him doing it all not just scoring.