C-19 Strategy changes

Started by Pokerface, March 16, 2020, 05:15:26 PM

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MontyJnr

Quote from: shaker on March 18, 2020, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
I really don't understand the need to make any changes to our sides in light of the shortened season honestly.

I will include more midpricers in my side IF rookies I'm depending on currently (Robertson, Starcevich, Budarick etc.) aren't named - this was always happening anyway with or without the coronavirus though.

I have also never had any issue finishing my side in 13-15 rounds, regardless of whether I've gone the guns and rookies approach or started a side with some midpricers involved. Therefore, it's business as usual for me.

We may get less trades, but remember they only gave us 24 trades for a 22 round season before 2013 and people still managed to finish their teams back then just fine.

Less rounds means less chance of us limping over the finish line ;)

100%

I've just put together a side with a few more mid pricers (Plan B) just in case the following happens:
- Lack of rookies
- Potential of teams having to play 3-5 matches over 2-3 weeks, because this is where the resting will happen and we'd want our benches to bat deeper, and mid pricers allow that. GnR teams could be in trouble during this time, relying on a lot of cheap poor scoring rookies to come off the bench and play

Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.

If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)
We shouldn't have to wait to much longer to see if it's going ahead the government's rule changes don't forbid the games going ahead so I guess I'm 60/40 that it won't .

The issue is IF a player got the virus, the league would need to shutdown completely for at least 14 days.

Now will they need to squeeze in more games over a shorter period to make up for this potential loss of time? Maybe, but they have already shortened the season to 17 games and have hinted they could play right up until December if required.  Therefore, I feel like there are a number of measures in place already that could avoid the necessity for 3-5 breaks at all.

You also cannot completely rule out the chance that a player/coach never gets it and we finish the season in August.

RaisyDaisy

#31
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.

If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)

I just can't see how basically every other sport in the world is having to stop, yet AFL will just play every week business as usual

I'm certain there will be a break at some point, which will result in multiple games over a shorter period, and that's when having a bench of trash scoring rookies will hurt

Even if it doesn't happen, it will be much easier to upgrade my mid pricers to prems, as opposed to waiting on more rookies to make enough cash, with only 17 total rounds

MontyJnr

#32
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.

If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)

I just can't see how basically every other sport in the world is having to stop, yet AFL will just play every week business as usual

I'm certain there will be a break at some point, which will result in multiple games over a shorter period, and that's when having a bench of trash scoring rookies will hurt

Even if it doesn't happen, it will be much easier to upgrade my mid pricers to prems, as opposed to waiting on more rookies to make enough cash, with only 17 total rounds

Yeah I certainly understand your view and you could be right, but Gil said himself we have "40 weeks to get a 17-week season away". Therefore, my read is we could potentially stop for 4 months and still get away with playing 1 game per week in theory. That alone is enough for me to take a risk that short breaks will be kept to a minimum.

LordSneeze

Going a higher MP structure is viable if there is 17 rounds as they might be able to slot in as a F6 or M9 3-4 rounds earlier than an upgrade, these players can then be the luxury trades rather than pure upgrades. For this to work though you need those players to score well enough to be worth it.

The critical piece will be around how fast you can get a full team rather than the best possible team. Normally the best teams are only finishing upgrading the week into finals, being fully upgraded by the BYEs is rare.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: LordSneeze on March 18, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
Going a higher MP structure is viable if there is 17 rounds as they might be able to slot in as a F6 or M9 3-4 rounds earlier than an upgrade, these players can then be the luxury trades rather than pure upgrades. For this to work though you need those players to score well enough to be worth it.

The critical piece will be around how fast you can get a full team rather than the best possible team. Normally the best teams are only finishing upgrading the week into finals, being fully upgraded by the BYEs is rare.

:o

I think you'll find a lot, if not most higher ranked sides are complete by the end of byes at the latest, usually sometime during

I had 22 prems + Hoff on the bench last year by the end of byes, and most other people around here were either complete or very close to it

Should be complete well before SC finals

This is all referring to a normal year, which is what I believe you were referring to

As for this year, with 17 rounds we need to ramp things up, hence the mid pricers being a legit option

LordSneeze

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 18, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
Going a higher MP structure is viable if there is 17 rounds as they might be able to slot in as a F6 or M9 3-4 rounds earlier than an upgrade, these players can then be the luxury trades rather than pure upgrades. For this to work though you need those players to score well enough to be worth it.

The critical piece will be around how fast you can get a full team rather than the best possible team. Normally the best teams are only finishing upgrading the week into finals, being fully upgraded by the BYEs is rare.

:o

I think you'll find a lot, if not most higher ranked sides are complete by the end of byes at the latest, usually sometime during

I had 22 prems + Hoff on the bench last year by the end of byes, and most other people around here were either complete or very close to it

Should be complete well before SC finals

This is all referring to a normal year, which is what I believe you were referring to

As for this year, with 17 rounds we need to ramp things up, hence the mid pricers being a legit option
I mean the teams that are going for league wins and getting best players in all positions. The ones that are top ranked, yes need to be don earlier.

shaker

Supercoach has put up the players that have been named but still no word from AFL starting to get a little bit silly now , just make a decision.

Money Shot

With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?

Nic Nat comes to mind for me.

Peter

Been made, it’s on!!!!

LordSneeze

Quote from: Money Shot on March 18, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?

Nic Nat comes to mind for me.
Not really IMO, risk players will still be managed, but fitter players might play longer. To me this benefits the uber prems as it means they can be in the mix at a higher % of the game.

jfitty

Quote from: Money Shot on March 18, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?

Nic Nat comes to mind for me.

Or does Naitanui still only play 60% of the shortened game?

OR how will he go if they have to play 2 games in a week.

So much to consider

Money Shot


tkringle

Not quite following the rationale for the shorter quarters. Is it because they expect shorter breaks in between games for a team?

Money Shot

Quote from: tkringle on March 18, 2020, 09:47:00 PM
Not quite following the rationale for the shorter quarters. Is it because they expect shorter breaks in between games for a team?
Spot on. If a player does happen to test positive the AFL takes a minimum 14 day break. If that happens a few times then games me need to be played in shorter time frames.

RaisyDaisy

#44
17 x rounds with 2 trades per week = 32 trades (Obv don't count Round 1)

We have 30 trades

Just 1 round we cannot double trade essentially (Or 2 x 1 trades)

Honestly, this changes everything (and removes a fair amount of skill)

D8, M10/11, R3 and F8 I honestly couldn't care who I have in those spots now. As long as they're playing and slowly making money, that's all we can do

Now it's all about getting the best 22 on the park, and just 1 decent bench rookie per line is enough. Heck, we can sideways trade prem keepers now even if they miss a week, if our rookies haven't made enough cash to milk yet