WXV Trade Talk

[Toga]

2   Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4   Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8   London - Troy Menzel
9   London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly

I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.

I'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.

not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.

Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be

depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.

Said it before and I'll say it again, think you're being a bit premature on calling these guys out Holz. Not sure how you can say they've got no potential to become premiums in the future. They've had two years in the league for Christ's sake!

[meow meow]

2   Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4   Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8   London - Troy Menzel
9   London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly

I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.

I'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.

not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.

Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be

depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.

Said it before and I'll say it again, think you're being a bit premature on calling these guys out Holz. Not sure how you can say they've got no potential to become premiums in the future. They've had two years in the league for Christ's sake!

Kade Simpson

2003 - 3 games

Game one. 0 kicks. 0 handballs. 0 marks. 0 HO. 2 tackles. 0/1 Free Kicks. 5 DT points
Game two. 0 kicks. 0 handballs. 0 marks. 0 HO. 0 tackles. 0/0 Free Kicks. 0 DT points
Game three. 0 kicks. 0 handballs. 0 marks. 0 HO. 1 tackles. 0/0 Free Kicks. 4 DT points

2004 - 3 games

Game one. 6 kicks. 3 handballs. 3 marks. 1 HO. 3 tackles. 0/0 Free Kicks. 1.1 Goals 53 DT points
Game two. 0 kicks. 1 handballs. 1 marks. 1 HO. 2 tackles. 0/0 Free Kicks. 14 DT points
Game three. 1 kicks. 1 handballs. 0 marks. 0 HO. 0 tackles. 0/0 Free Kicks. 5 DT points

Two years later he played all 22 games and averaged 93 in Supercoach.

[My Chumps]

2   Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4   Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8   London - Troy Menzel
9   London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly

I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.

I'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.

not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.

Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be

depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.

You're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.

Do you even know who Josh Kelly is? Have you watched him play at all?

[Toga]

Thank you meow! Was trying to think of a good example but couldn't back it up with any stats off the top of my head.

I'm sure there's more premiums that have struggled for games/averaged 60s-70s in their first few seasons before taking huge steps forwards. Especially hard for the above boys with the sub rule.

Write them off at your peril.

[Purple 77]

Write them off at your peril.

*gets out of chair*

*walks up to you*

*look you straight in the eye*




I'm writing Jimmy Toumpas off.

:P

[Holz]

2   Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4   Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8   London - Troy Menzel
9   London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly

I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.

I'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.

not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.

Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be

depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.

You're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.

Do you even know who Josh Kelly is? Have you watched him play at all?

of course i know who josh kelly is. He will go 90+ but that isnt as good as a 90+ forward. If he goes 105+ then he is as good.

Kelly actually has the game to do it, probably was harsh to lump him in with those guys.

[JBs-Hawks]

Kelly will be a 90 average forward next year

[My Chumps]

2   Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4   Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8   London - Troy Menzel
9   London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly

I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.

I'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.

not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.

Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be

depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.

You're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.

Do you even know who Josh Kelly is? Have you watched him play at all?

of course i know who josh kelly is. He will go 90+ but that isnt as good as a 90+ forward. If he goes 105+ then he is as good.

Kelly actually has the game to do it, probably was harsh to lump him in with those guys.

Wouldn't be surprised if he went 90+ next year as a M/F.

[RaisyDaisy]

Daniher as a dpp ruck forward will be good too. I'm with Chumps - would take 6 of them over SJ in a heartbeat

We all know your ego Holz so you'll never admit that you're wrong and that you're rorting Rio, so just leave it to the vote and move on :)

[Holz]

Daniher as a dpp ruck forward will be good too. I'm with Chumps - would take 6 of them over SJ in a heartbeat

We all know your ego Holz so you'll never admit that you're wrong and that you're rorting Rio, so just leave it to the vote :)

Not sure you can say my ego never allows me to admit im wrong when just a few posts up I said I was wrong about McDonald.

Nobody is always right, I personally think im correct more then im wrong. If you call that ego then so be it.

I admit im wrong when the evidence I see convinces me otherwise.

the question is will you admit your wrong with the last call?

[GoLions]

Out of curiosity RD/Chumps/others, which 6? I'd take Kelly, and I'd consider Lonergan/Aish/Lmac. Prefer SJ over the rest though.

[meow meow]

2   Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4   Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8   London - Troy Menzel
9   London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly

I wouldnt give up SJ for any of those guys.

I'd give SJ up for 6 of those guys.

not a smart move if you want to be in that top 6 teams.

Maybe not next year, but for many years after it will be

depends how you look at it. all these guys will be low end starters at best or bench players. You get zero years out of them as premos. If SJ can go 90+ then 85+ thats 2 more premo years then any of these guys.

You're an absolute idiot if you think none of those guys are gonna average 90.

Do you even know who Josh Kelly is? Have you watched him play at all?

of course i know who josh kelly is. He will go 90+ but that isnt as good as a 90+ forward. If he goes 105+ then he is as good.

Kelly actually has the game to do it, probably was harsh to lump him in with those guys.

Personally I'd take 10 seasons from Kelly as a 90 average mid over 1 season from SJ as a 90 aveage forward.

[meow meow]

Pacific back in front in the race for Ryan Lester.

[AaronKirk]

Out of curiosity RD/Chumps/others, which 6? I'd take Kelly, and I'd consider Lonergan/Aish/Lmac. Prefer SJ over the rest though.

Joe Daniher surely?

I may be biased but i'd rate him as highly as Jesse Hogan long term.

Menzel in the right environment (now at Adelaide), Aish as an outside mid in a decent Collingwood midfield, Kelly is a gun (just needs more game time)

Boyd with more time long term has more upside than SJ

Marginal with Toumpas at a new club but probably no.

I wouldn't have Lonergan or McDonald over SJ at their current clubs in current roles.

[Hellopplz]

2   Wellington - Jimmy Toumpas
4   Tokyo - Jesse Lonergan
8   London - Troy Menzel
9   London - Joe Daniher
1. Seoul - Thomas Boyd
2. Beijing - James Aish
5. New York - Luke McDonald
7. Seoul - Josh Kelly

I'd take Kelly, Daniher, Menzel and Aish over SJ. Lonergan and McDonald maybe (as AK said, his role), otherwise same time last season I would have gone McDonald as well. Not huge fans of Boyd or Toumpas :-X.

Given it also comes down to how you rate the guys. Kelly could have shown alot more if he wasn't at GWS with how stacked they are midfield wise. Daniher can be a beast, given needs to get his set shot worked on. Menzel with injuries and Aish needs a chance :P.