WXV Trade Talk

[Holz]

GAJ averaged 134.4 without the sub game. Also remember the 2 games at the start of the year where he wasn't nearly ready to play.

I have actually heard some Rio fans discussing this M1, M2, C1 debate. I actually heard them create their own label for Ablett. They call him G1. Otherwise known as God 1.

I actually was going to call it A1 after Ablett.

but 2010 Goddard going 130 from 21 as a defender is hard to beat.
I think it edges out 2009 Ablett 140 from 19 games

[Holz]

haha Holz shower stirring ability = C1

maybe when I decline from my prime for now H1

[meow meow]

its not worth arguing as we are using two different scales. I have Hogan as a F1.

No we don't. I just like arguing with you and your terminology is a little dodgy.

Stringer is a "F1" in terms of value. Stringer is not a F1 in terms of scoring output (yet).

I know Ablett is a class above but I also know that the long term future should hold almost as much value as the immediate future. When GAJ is retired and HH is still pumping out 100+ seasons that has got to count for plenty.

P.s. Mexico City got Bennell cheaply for that very reason.

[meow meow]

Expected at the end of last year:

110, 105
105, 105, 105, 100, 100, 95, 90

125, 125, 125, 120, 115, 110, 105, 105

I should get slaughtered in the Sandi & Gibbs vs Rocky trade. How on earth did it pass? It might be fair if Sandi had another 5 100+ seasons in addition to what was predicted above but based on valuations at this time last year it was a shocker. Hopefully Rocky continues to be shower.

[Holz]

its not worth arguing as we are using two different scales. I have Hogan as a F1.

No we don't. I just like arguing with you and your terminology is a little dodgy.

Stringer is a "F1" in terms of value. Stringer is not a F1 in terms of scoring output (yet).

I know Ablett is a class above but I also know that the long term future should hold almost as much value as the immediate future. When GAJ is retired and HH is still pumping out 100+ seasons that has got to count for plenty.

P.s. Mexico City got Bennell cheaply for that very reason.

Ablett is a special case. You cant just pick up an Ablett he is almost impossible to get. I also think he could have 5 years left easy. If i see 20+ games from him this year ill call that he is playing when he is in his late 30s.

the metric i actually use is how different are they from an easy player to get. I reckon HH is a +15 whereas Ablett is a +35 at the worst next year probably a +40-45 then you add in the captain bonus.

Ablett if he plays 20+ next year is worth like 2-3 Hartlett years.

Bennell to me is worth more then Lewis already.

So Thompson is like a +5
Lewis +15
Grigg a +5

Bennell is a +20 possibly higher

So if all these guys had the same amount of years left then its fair.

Thompson + 5 +5 +5
Lewis +15 +10 +10 +10
Grigg +5 +5 +5 +5 +5

Bennell +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 

note this is very very rough but

NPV 90
NPV 160

[Holz]

Expected at the end of last year:

110, 105
105, 105, 105, 100, 100, 95, 90

125, 125, 125, 120, 115, 110, 105, 105

I should get slaughtered in the Sandi & Gibbs vs Rocky trade. How on earth did it pass? It might be fair if Sandi had another 5 100+ seasons in addition to what was predicted above but based on valuations at this time last year it was a shocker. Hopefully Rocky continues to be shower.

this is the analysis I did. Its why I rejected it.

[RaisyDaisy]

Thompson + 5 +5 +5
Lewis +15 +10 +10 +10
Grigg +5 +5 +5 +5 +5

Bennell +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 

note this is very very rough but

NPV 90
NPV 160

And do you plan on factoring in the other 2 players that we would need to field if we kept Bennell and didn't pick up 2 extra starters?

Whether they are not starters for you or in your mind is irrelevant. We aren't Dublin, so guys like SDT and Grigg start for us

Lewis to average 100-105 for 4-5 years
SDT to average 75 for 3-4 years
Grigg to average 85-90 for 4-6 years

Bennell to average 105-110 for 8 years, and 2 depth players having to be fielded not to mention Bennell's issues, and the fact that Duffield and Whiley are more or less useless right now

If Bennell for Lewis, Grigg and SDT is a bad trade for us, then I must be living in a bizarro world

[Holz]

Thompson + 5 +5 +5
Lewis +15 +10 +10 +10
Grigg +5 +5 +5 +5 +5

Bennell +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 

note this is very very rough but

NPV 90
NPV 160

And do you plan on factoring in the other 2 players that we would need to field if we kept Bennell and didn't pick up 2 extra starters?

Whether they are not starters for you or in your mind is irrelevant. We aren't Dublin, so guys like SDT and Grigg start for us

Lewis to average 100-105 for 4-5 years
SDT to average 75 for 3-4 years
Grigg to average 85-90 for 4-6 years

Bennell to average 105-110 for 8 years, and 2 depth players having to be fielded not to mention Bennell's issues, and the fact that Duffield and Whiley are more or less useless right now

If Bennell for Lewis, Grigg and SDT is a bad trade for us, then I must be living in a bizarro world

thats what the +5 is for

I personally dont think a 68-70 average defender in their late 20s should be too hard to find on the trade table.

[Holz]

Holz Out

[Purple 77]

So if all these guys had the same amount of years left then its fair.

Thompson + 5 +5 +5
Lewis +15 +10 +10 +10
Grigg +5 +5 +5 +5 +5

Bennell +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 +20 

note this is very very rough but

NPV 90
NPV 160

I think you should also take into account the IRR of each project, the PP seeing as there shouldn't be discount values for time and inflation, and even the ARR is worth a look.

#AccountingMajor

#RespectForTheTermsUsed

[Ricochet]

annnnnnyway...

Have had a fair bit of interest in these boys over the last few days

Broomhead
Howe
Conca

If your keen pm me

[Purple 77]

And that's everyone!

Trade 45 (1 vote)
Toronto trade: Jarryn Geary, Jonathan Freeman + Pick 31
Cape Town trade: Jasper Pittard + Pick 58
Coaches Comments: Felt Toronto overpaid
Admin Comments: You know grinds my Gear(y)'s? Not this trade.
Verdict: PASS

Trade 46 (3 votes)
Cape Town trade: Edward Curnow + Trent Dumont
Buenos Aires trade: Pick 11, Pick 22 + Jack Hiscox
Coaches Comments: Felt Buenos Aires overpaid, and that Curnow/Dumont have minimal value
Admin Comments: Buenos Aires literally have 7 pure midfielders that out-average Curnow. Dumont, sure he has potential... is he going to crack into North's regulars though? How much value does he (should he) really have? I tell ya what. Kinda surprised this only attracted 3 votes! But, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to Buenos Aires, that they have plans to trade some of these midfielders for bookends, which is what they really need. Curnow I suppose would make most people's benches, so I guess this makes them more competitive... was *this* close to rejecting it.
Verdict: PASS

Trade 47 (3 votes)
Toronto trade: Paddy Ryder + Pick 41
Tokyo trade: Kieran Jack + Jake Carlisle
Coaches Comments: All felt Toronto win this trade by too much
Admin Comments: You cannot underestimate the value of a good ruck/forward... even if you might be paying a little too much
Verdict: PASS

Trade 48 (0 votes)
Mexico City trade: Pick 57
Berlin trade: Jacob Townsend
Coaches Comments: Nil
Admin Comments: Sending Townsend out of Town.
Verdict: PASS

Trade 49 (0 votes)
Mexico City trade: Michael Johnson, Bailey Dale, Nathan Krakouer, Blake Acres + Jake Barrett
Mexico City receive: Chris Masten, PSD Pick 1 + Pick 71

Berlin trade: Bradley Hill + Pick 71
Berlin receive: Michael Johnson, Bailey Dale + Pick 47

New Delhi trade: Chris Masten, PSD Pick 1 + Pick 47
New Delhi receive: Bradley Hill, Nathan Krakouer, Blake Acres + Jake Barrett
Coaches Comments: Nil
Admin Comments: Gotta love me a Dale Bailey... or Daily Bale... no, he's Bailey Dale... yeah, that's the one.
Verdict: PASS

Trade 50 (0 votes)
Berlin trade: Josh Saunders + Jonathan Marsh
Mexico City trade: Pick 39
Coaches Comments: Nil
Admin Comments:
Verdict: PASS

Trade 51 (3 votes)
Christchurch trade: Shaun McKernan + Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Rio de Janeiro trade: Pick 12
Coaches Comments: Felt DVR has negligible value, and that it's not sufficient to add to last weeks rejected trade.
Admin Comments: Absolutely agree with those coaches. Just glimpsing at DVR's year, at this stage there is nothing to suggest he will be cracking seniors any time soon... yes, at Carlton. To me, both of these players might be playing more VFL games next year than AFL games, and I don't think this is a substantial enough improvement on the trade that failed last week. Sorry guys.
Verdict: REJECTED

Trade 52 (1 vote)
Toronto trade: Mitch Clark + James Stewart
New York trade: Nathan Brown, Pick 23 + Pick 68
Coaches Comments: Felt New York wins too much
Admin Comments: Really quite surprised this didn't get more attention... but is passes automatically.
Verdict: PASS

[RaisyDaisy]

Looks like Stefan is temporarily back on the market! :P

[Purple 77]

Looks like Stefan is temporarily back on the market! :P

Ah, right.



If you do renegotiate a deal, I'll make sure that one is trade 53 (i.e. before Stef's deal)

[Purple 77]

Will update stuff tomorrow morning btw, apologies for delay.