Guess who?
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/whos-the-bestpaid-dog-20141118-11olob.html
They're going to want to hope Tom Boyd works out and ends up being worth it.
Quote from: Nige on November 18, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
They're going to want to hope Tom Boyd works out and ends up being worth it.
Everyone will leave before his contract finishes.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on November 18, 2014, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 18, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
They're going to want to hope Tom Boyd works out and ends up being worth it.
Everyone will leave before his contract finishes.
That will make commentating their games pretty easy.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on November 18, 2014, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on November 18, 2014, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 18, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
They're going to want to hope Tom Boyd works out and ends up being worth it.
Everyone will leave before his contract finishes.
That will make commentating their games pretty easy.
Be full of 18 year old kids that nobody know and Boyd? Be annoying ;)
bit of a luck of the draw on these things.
Guys like Scully and Boyd hit pay dirt for moving to young clubs. Where beter players like Omeara don't get anywhere near that yet.
I'll be brutally honest here, i can't see this be anything but bad news for the club in the long term. There would have to be plenty of angst among some of the existing group regarding the dollars thrown at him. For me it just smacks of a tit for tat thing, ie you take Griffen then we'll take Boyd from you murmamamurmur. Crazy situation, just crazy. The kids got an abundance of talent no question
about that but to throw that money at a 9 game AFL player makes for a slippery slope in my opinion. his deal i feel could have a dramatic affect for all clubs looking to draft a high draft pick. Managers everywhere will bringing up this deal. I think it's opened up a big can of worms.
Quote from: Grazz on November 18, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
I'll be brutally honest here, i can't see this be anything but bad news for the club in the long term. There would have to be plenty of angst among some of the existing group regarding the dollars thrown at him. For me it just smacks of a tit for tat thing, ie you take Griffen then we'll take Boyd from you murmamamurmur. Crazy situation, just crazy. The kids got an abundance of talent no question
about that but to throw that money at a 9 game AFL player makes for a slippery slope in my opinion. his deal i feel could have a dramatic affect for all clubs looking to draft a high draft pick. Managers everywhere will bringing up this deal. I think it's opened up a big can of worms.
definitely agree here, he lives up to his potential and turns into a superstar than they breakeven. He is getting paid more than some of the most elite players in the comp so needs to join those ranks to just be worth his pay. Obsoletely zero upside for him unless he turns into a Wayne Carey type.
Even something like 650k is an overpay but at least that's somewhat reasonable.
basically makes a mockery of most contracts.
Quote from: Holz on November 18, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: Grazz on November 18, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
I'll be brutally honest here, i can't see this be anything but bad news for the club in the long term. There would have to be plenty of angst among some of the existing group regarding the dollars thrown at him. For me it just smacks of a tit for tat thing, ie you take Griffen then we'll take Boyd from you murmamamurmur. Crazy situation, just crazy. The kids got an abundance of talent no question
about that but to throw that money at a 9 game AFL player makes for a slippery slope in my opinion. his deal i feel could have a dramatic affect for all clubs looking to draft a high draft pick. Managers everywhere will bringing up this deal. I think it's opened up a big can of worms.
definitely agree here, he lives up to his potential and turns into a superstar than they breakeven. He is getting paid more than some of the most elite players in the comp so needs to join those ranks to just be worth his pay. Obsoletely zero upside for him unless he turns into a Wayne Carey type.
Even something like 650k is an overpay but at least that's somewhat reasonable.
basically makes a mockery of most contracts.
Agree mate. The pressure that money will bring to bear on Boyd to perform will be huge, how he handles that will go along way to who or what he becomes. To much pressure for mine.
Quote from: Grazz on November 18, 2014, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 18, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: Grazz on November 18, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
I'll be brutally honest here, i can't see this be anything but bad news for the club in the long term. There would have to be plenty of angst among some of the existing group regarding the dollars thrown at him. For me it just smacks of a tit for tat thing, ie you take Griffen then we'll take Boyd from you murmamamurmur. Crazy situation, just crazy. The kids got an abundance of talent no question
about that but to throw that money at a 9 game AFL player makes for a slippery slope in my opinion. his deal i feel could have a dramatic affect for all clubs looking to draft a high draft pick. Managers everywhere will bringing up this deal. I think it's opened up a big can of worms.
definitely agree here, he lives up to his potential and turns into a superstar than they breakeven. He is getting paid more than some of the most elite players in the comp so needs to join those ranks to just be worth his pay. Obsoletely zero upside for him unless he turns into a Wayne Carey type.
Even something like 650k is an overpay but at least that's somewhat reasonable.
basically makes a mockery of most contracts.
Agree mate. The pressure that money will bring to bear on Boyd to perform will be huge, how he handles that will go along way to who or what he becomes. To much pressure for mine.
but, to put it into perspective a US baseballer just got a 365 million dollar contract, so :P
I always thought it was a horrifically bad move from the Bulldogs, still have to wait and see though
Quote from: Ziplock on November 18, 2014, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Grazz on November 18, 2014, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 18, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: Grazz on November 18, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
I'll be brutally honest here, i can't see this be anything but bad news for the club in the long term. There would have to be plenty of angst among some of the existing group regarding the dollars thrown at him. For me it just smacks of a tit for tat thing, ie you take Griffen then we'll take Boyd from you murmamamurmur. Crazy situation, just crazy. The kids got an abundance of talent no question
about that but to throw that money at a 9 game AFL player makes for a slippery slope in my opinion. his deal i feel could have a dramatic affect for all clubs looking to draft a high draft pick. Managers everywhere will bringing up this deal. I think it's opened up a big can of worms.
definitely agree here, he lives up to his potential and turns into a superstar than they breakeven. He is getting paid more than some of the most elite players in the comp so needs to join those ranks to just be worth his pay. Obsoletely zero upside for him unless he turns into a Wayne Carey type.
Even something like 650k is an overpay but at least that's somewhat reasonable.
basically makes a mockery of most contracts.
Agree mate. The pressure that money will bring to bear on Boyd to perform will be huge, how he handles that will go along way to who or what he becomes. To much pressure for mine.
but, to put it into perspective a US baseballer just got a 365 million dollar contract, so :P
That is huge money. :o
That's just the way the game is now though. If you are a lower club and want to lure a player you need to offer something they can't refuse. Even if you are a top club you need to. Look at the 9 year Buddy deal.
The dogs have been screaming out for a key forward since Barry Hall retired. No one is going to willingly go and play there without some very good incentive, particularly after the shambles the club went through recently with their coach and a number of players either being sacked or leaving.
They are certainly paying overs but we are seeing that more and more now. Hopefully for their sake it works out but unfortunately they didn't have much of a choice
They needed to do something to get that key forward they were after, and that's what they did. I'm pretty confident Boyd will become a great player but whether the Doggies come out on top after losing Griffen, Pick 7, $800k towards Griffen's contract, plus whatever else they are giving up to pay Boyd we will have to wait and see.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on November 18, 2014, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 18, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
They're going to want to hope Tom Boyd works out and ends up being worth it.
Everyone will leave before his contract finishes.
You ignorant creature. If we kept Griffen and didn't get Boyd, everything would be sweet but now that we've done that trade there isn't going to be enough money to go around?
Salary cap without either: 10M = $250,000 per player
Salary cap with Griffen: 9.2M = $235,900 per player
Salary cap with Boyd: 9M = $230,800 per player
That's a difference of $5,100 from having Boyd instead of Griffen. Max exodus on the way, right?
Lists can be split up into different categories so easily. Something tells me that Jong, Redpath, Honeychurch and Roberts would be happy with being VFL players who get paid 90K a year + match payments if they crack the senior team. Half of our list is this quality and pay rate.
18 reserves: $1.62 million
1 Boyd: $1 Million
21 Seniors: 7.38M/ $351K each
The bottom third of the best 22 aren't on 350K a season. The top third of the best 22 would all be over 500K. Pick our 8 best players (the ones we're going to lose apparently). Murphy would be one (gone soon). Cooney was one (gone). Guys like Crameri are on the 350K middle tier. Griff>Boyd makes absolutely no difference to him, or anyone else really.
Libba is on 500K, that's with Griffen in the salary cap. Take Griff out and replace him with Boyd and Libba's percentage of the salary cap is now 490K. How many players are going to leave a young team stacked with talent over a 5k-10k loss? I'm guessing none.
Plus the salary cap will be closer to 12M than 10M by the 7th year of Boyd's contract and 1M will be the going rate for a gun KPF, and the rise will more than make up for that 5K loss.
Rough breakdown of payments:
1 @ 1M per year (Boyd)
7 @ 500K (
Cooney, Murphy (soon), Libba, Dahlhaus, Bont, Stringer, Macrae, ??)
7 @ 350K (locks in best 22, but not in top 8 -
Higgins, Crameri, M. Boyd, Picken etc)
7 @ 200K (Fringe best 22 - Stevens, Hunter, Campbell etc)
18 @ 90K (Darley, Jong, Roberts etc)
I doubt we're going to have 8 players worthy of more than 500K. If we have 6 of them (inc Boyd) and 9 in the 200K range, that's $620K each for the 5 in the tier below T. Boyd.
Bontempelli has signed a 2 year contract extention and I'm betting it's not in the 500K tier yet. That's 2 years (300K) that can go to Libba, putting him in the 650K range (or as high as 770K without Bont in the 2nd tier), possibly on a front loaded 4 year contract that will claim just 350K in years 3 and 4.
There's slight variations on contracts, like Picken might be on 320 and Stevens on 230 but that's basically it.
I don't think Pk was referring to the salary cap issues, it was more they will leave as nobody wants to play for a bad team.
Ridiculous statement then, especially from a St Kilda supporter. Won't be down the bottom forever.
My concern for your club MM is more how will the 7 at 500k, 7 at 350k and 7 at 200k going to feel about a nine game player walking in and virtually getting double the salary of the next highest paid player not wether the club can afford it. Human nature will certainly see a few of those thinking hang on a minute ive been busting my alps here (Libba for example) and this guy comes in on double my wage, it has to cause some disharmony unless they are bunch of very unique individuals that you have there. I dont see a mass exodus of players at all but can envisage a couple saying bugger this im not valued here so im moving on and depending on who those individuals are goes along to determining how much it will hurt, say for example if Macrae and Libba walk then that will hurt a lot compared to say Hunter or Cambell. As your A grade players get better and better and deserve or require a pay rise to keep them it's gunna be harder to find the dollars for it because your paying X to Boyd. These are more my concerns for your club.
I agree with others statements clubs are going to have to pay overs to lure the players they need to complete the jigsaw, no doubt about that but a million a year to a guy 9 games old is just ridiculous imo and way more than overs it's extreme.
Money for the guns won't be a problem. We've got so much room in our cap that Libba and Macrae would still be making as much money with us as they would elsewhere. There's literally no reason for them to leave since they won't be offered better contracts anywhere else, and our team has as much talent as any other team out there, more so with Boyd.
With all the room in the cap we could have spread the money around and give everyone a 10K pay rise but that won't make a difference to anything, and it wouldn't be the difference whether a player stays or goes. Luring a (potential) genuine superstar in the making will make a huge difference, and will actually help with player retention rather than force players out. Sure it is way overs at this stage, but in 5 years when the cap will be closer to 12M than 10M, 1M will be the going rate for a gun KPF. It would cost us even more to go out and try to lure him to our club if/when he is absolutely dominant.
We lost Griffen, Cooney and Higgins. That's 1.5M opened up in the cap. More on the way with Boyd, Morris and Murphy coming to the end. We could have given everyone a small pay rise, gone out and gotten 2X 500K players, or 3 decent quality 350K players, but we'd still have the same problem as always. Boyd is a big gamble that we have to take if we want to get anywhere. The players would undertand it, and it's not going to make much of a difference to their own contracts.
Quote from: meow meow on November 19, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
Money for the guns won't be a problem. We've got so much room in our cap that Libba and Macrae would still be making as much money with us as they would elsewhere. There's literally no reason for them to leave since they won't be offered better contracts anywhere else, and our team has as much talent as any other team out there, more so with Boyd.
With all the room in the cap we could have spread the money around and give everyone a 10K pay rise but that won't make a difference to anything, and it wouldn't be the difference whether a player stays or goes. Luring a (potential) genuine superstar in the making will make a huge difference, and will actually help with player retention rather than force players out. Sure it is way overs at this stage, but in 5 years when the cap will be closer to 12M than 10M, 1M will be the going rate for a gun KPF. It would cost us even more to go out and try to lure him to our club if/when he is absolutely dominant.
We lost Griffen, Cooney and Higgins. That's 1.5M opened up in the cap. More on the way with Boyd, Morris and Murphy coming to the end. We could have given everyone a small pay rise, gone out and gotten 2X 500K players, or 3 decent quality 350K players, but we'd still have the same problem as always. Boyd is a big gamble that we have to take if we want to get anywhere. The players would undertand it, and it's not going to make much of a difference to their own contracts.
Yep fair enough mate, covered that well. ;)
Let's put it this way. If Boyd is these ages and kicks this many goals...
20: 20
21: 30
22: 40
23: 50
24: 50
25: 60
26: 60
27: 70
28: 70
29: 60
30: 50
31: 40
32: 30
...he'll be the 25th best forward in the history of the game. If that's not worth the big bucks then nothing is. Based on his junior form and the glimpses he has shown at AFL level, this isn't an unrealistic expectation.
He can kick as many goals as he wants. The dogs have done the damage all around him. In 2-3 years time when Murphy, Boyd and Morris are done they'll be 0 experience to build a team around.
Never doubted the kids ability and he should be some kind of player for ya's, i just think players need to have some credibility on the boards before that kind of cash gets tossed about. Maybe im to old and unwilling to move with the times mate, the game is changing.(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Grazz64/olemantells_zps42577ea7.gif) (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/Grazz64/media/olemantells_zps42577ea7.gif.html)
I never said you'd be useless, I said that by the time Boyd gets to kick 40+ goals a season (which is an assumption straight off) the experience won't be there to build a strong team for another 3-4 years after that.
Grant has basically been a VFL player. Minson got dropped occasionally as well. Neither of them are players you can build around, or any of the players in the 26-31 range you have there.
All those players will be 25 and under, that's a strong experience base in 4 years maybe, and that's only a base. You have to then create sustainable depth around that and develop chemistry around a core group of players. All the players leaving will just prolong that
Players are used to the environment these days and are well aware that some players get paid more/deserve more. It won't really be an issue in terms of attitude and players getting offside of Boyd coming in (unless Boyd is a dickhead as a bloke).