Poll
Question:
Is Travis Cloke the biggest potato in the AFL?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 22
Option 2: No
votes: 14
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Please Discuss.
He'd be better at Carlton with Malthouse.
And get Setanta back to kick his butt.
Vin I would have saved this for after friday night. You have left yourself open if he kicks a bag against ya now :P
haha love it vin ;D
The poll options should really be 'yes' or 'yes' not 'yes' and 'no' hey Vin ;) haha
still better then Waite
Even if he's a big potato he's still better than every single forward on the Carlton list. I'd nearly go as far to say he's better than all of Carlton's forwards combined.
Hang on. That's a bit harsh.
How about Peter McKenna?
Cloke may be a spud, but Carlton is a Potato Farm!
Quote from: quinny88 on April 27, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
Vin I would have saved this for after friday night. You have left yourself open if he kicks a bag against ya now :P
Quote from: NigeyS on April 28, 2014, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on April 27, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
Vin I would have saved this for after friday night. You have left yourself open if he kicks a bag against ya now :P
Not if..when.. ;D
Okay here we go. :P
Quote from: tor01doc on April 27, 2014, 10:50:44 PM
He'd be better at Carlton with Malthouse.
And get Setanta back to kick his butt.
Hahaha
Quote from: T Dog on April 28, 2014, 08:58:32 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on April 28, 2014, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on April 27, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
Vin I would have saved this for after friday night. You have left yourself open if he kicks a bag against ya now :P
Not if..when.. ;D
Nah I'll be alright, he sucks. Will kick 2.3 ;)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on April 28, 2014, 01:19:06 AM
Cloke may be a spud, but Carlton is a Potato Farm!
Not in the last two weeks. Kind of...haha.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 27, 2014, 11:22:39 PM
still better then Waite
Not this year man!
Quote from: elephants on April 27, 2014, 11:06:43 PM
The poll options should really be 'yes' or 'yes' not 'yes' and 'no' hey Vin ;) haha
Hahah yeah it should. But I had to leave an option for the deluded pies supporters. :P #bringontheheat
Quote from: brad on April 27, 2014, 11:00:01 PM
haha love it vin ;D
;)
People say the Carlton forward line was overrated, but Cloke is more overrated than all of them combined.
And he's still a potato. He looks like the strongest man in the AFL but is just so piss-weak
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 28, 2014, 09:13:57 PM
People say the Carlton forward line was overrated, but Cloke is more overrated than all of them combined.
And he's still a potato. He looks like the strongest man in the AFL but is just so piss-weak
+10,000,000.
Our Carlton forward line isn't overrated, it's rated pretty badly cause it's pretty bad.
But Henderson and Waite look to be in good form and Garlett and Levi are coming along nicely ish.
Henderson/Waite > Cloke this year easy.
Cloke also has some of the best delivery in the competition.
Quote from: Vinny on April 28, 2014, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 28, 2014, 09:13:57 PM
People say the Carlton forward line was overrated, but Cloke is more overrated than all of them combined.
And he's still a potato. He looks like the strongest man in the AFL but is just so piss-weak
+10,000,000.
Our Carlton forward line isn't overrated, it's rated pretty badly cause it's pretty bad.
But Henderson and Waite look to be in good form and Garlett and Levi are coming along nicely ish.
Henderson/Waite > Cloke this year easy.
Cloke also has some of the best delivery in the competition.
You don't watch many collingwood games do you? Just because we have an elite midfield doesn't mean the delivery to cloke is so special. In fact, most of the time we use him, it's a long bomb and hope he can just catch it while he is being double teamed. Does his lead up and mark need more work? hell yes. But thats what we got Jesse white for and Jamie Elliot isn't doing a bad job either at it. The elite midfielders are mostly kicking the goals themselves and Cloke isn't the target he used to be last year - a point we have tried to prove by not relying on him this year and spread the goalkickers more evenly.
Not heaps, you obviously know way more there than I do man haha but it's still got to be solid.
Yeah Elliot and White are doing nicely.
But he has just been sooooo bad this year, in the air and on the ground.
The point is Cloke sucks. :P
We just aren't using him much this year. His ground work has always sucked :P
I really believe that when Reid comes back (everyone forgets how good Reid is), Cloke will not be double teamed at all and should add that 2-3 goals per game. Watch from when Reid is back and Clokes numbers should improve dramatically but still not to the same heights as previous years - lets say an 85 SC average from when Reid is back :P
3 Quarter Time update:
Travis Cloke has kicked as many goals as the entire 22 man Carlton team.
He still has more behinds than goals.
Such an underwhelming player
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
He still has more behinds than goals.
Such an underwhelming player
To be fair, some of the angles he's had to kick from tonight weren't exactly easy.
He does some good things and then some really flowering god-awful things. Huge talent but very much a confidence player.
Quote from: NigeyS on May 02, 2014, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
He still has more behinds than goals.
Such an underwhelming player
To be fair, some of the angles he's had to kick from tonight weren't exactly easy.
Then he shouldn't be kicking from the boundary line or if he wants to take marks there he should learn to kick.
His kicking for goal is well below AFL standard
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 02, 2014, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
He still has more behinds than goals.
Such an underwhelming player
To be fair, some of the angles he's had to kick from tonight weren't exactly easy.
Then he shouldn't be kicking from the boundary line or if he wants to take marks there he should learn to kick.
His kicking for goal is well below AFL standard
Vin, is that you? :o
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 02, 2014, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
He still has more behinds than goals.
Such an underwhelming player
To be fair, some of the angles he's had to kick from tonight weren't exactly easy.
Then he shouldn't be kicking from the boundary line or if he wants to take marks there he should learn to kick.
His kicking for goal is well below AFL standard
???
I would say he is above average.
Sure, he kicks more behinds than goals, but so do most teams, so you can't exactly say 'below standard'.
He is just about the best set shot from 50+ in the entire game in my opinion, and although his kicking from <40 is shaky, the same can be said for a large portion of the player base imo.
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2 goals, 4 behinds. One goal was off a free kick. Delist the spud!
Cloke has about 70% of shots on goals outside the 50 close to the boundary line and thats where Collingwood want from him. Cloke pushes wide to get his marks because in the middle they have Witts, White and Elliot all capable of taking strong marks so why not get your best key forward to push out towards the boundary line outside 50 taking the opposing best key defender with him.
Quote from: Sid on May 02, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 02, 2014, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 02, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
He still has more behinds than goals.
Such an underwhelming player
To be fair, some of the angles he's had to kick from tonight weren't exactly easy.
Then he shouldn't be kicking from the boundary line or if he wants to take marks there he should learn to kick.
His kicking for goal is well below AFL standard
???
I would say he is above average.
Sure, he kicks more behinds than goals, but so do most teams, so you can't exactly say 'below standard'.
He is just about the best set shot from 50+ in the entire game in my opinion, and although his kicking from <40 is shaky, the same can be said for a large portion of the player base imo.
Really? most competent players can drill well over 50% of the shots they get inside 50 and are much better than they are outside 50.
Cloke struggles to kick a goal from 10 metres out on a 10 degree angle. He pretty much single handedly almost cost Collingwood their only premiership in 2012 missing from point.
All Cloke will ever be is a long kick and a strong mark. He can just be glad that his black and white teammates come on the football field to carry him to victory
Guess he would fit in at the Swans then with Buddy, Tippet and Reid!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 03, 2014, 10:57:18 AM
Guess he would fit in at the Swans then with Buddy, Tippet and Reid!
There's always room for more
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 03, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 03, 2014, 10:57:18 AM
Guess he would fit in at the Swans then with Buddy, Tippet and Reid!
There's always room for more
I don't see why they can't have a forward line of Lance Franklin, Kurt Tippet, Sam Reid Jeremy Cameron, Travis Cloke and Nick Riewoldt.
Quote from: Noz on May 03, 2014, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 03, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 03, 2014, 10:57:18 AM
Guess he would fit in at the Swans then with Buddy, Tippet and Reid!
There's always room for more
I don't see why they can't have a forward line of Lance Franklin, Kurt Tippet, Sam Reid Jeremy Cameron, Travis Cloke and Nick Riewoldt.
You forgot to throw in Adam Goodes
getting to the point he needs to be dropped to find form and confidence in the vfl
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 19, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
getting to the point he needs to be dropped to find form and confidence in the vfl let him slightly dominate mediocre opponents and give him a fall sense of satisfaction just for him to come back to the 1s and do FA.
He'll never be dropped, that's too much of a failure admission for Eddie and the like.
Every year the same "If he kicked straight he would be one of the greatest ever!"
Another year is passing, Cloke is ranked 50th in goals scored and 2nd in Behinds scored (which only happened because buddy kick 0.7 straight in one game).
Christ, Tyrone Vickery has kicked more goals this season and he's an ordinary player at a club thats close to bottom on the ladder.
Half of his goals have come from one game. People say he's the best contested mark in the game yet he took 0 against Adelaide.
Such a overrated player, such a spud
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 19, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
He'll never be dropped, that's too much of a failure admission for Eddie and the like.
Every year the same "If he kicked straight he would be one of the greatest ever!"
Another year is passing, Cloke is ranked 50th in goals scored and 2nd in Behinds scored (which only happened because buddy kick 0.7 straight in one game).
Christ, Tyrone Vickery has kicked more goals this season and he's an ordinary player at a club thats close to bottom on the ladder.
Half of his goals have come from one game. People say he's the best contested mark in the game yet he took 0 against Adelaide.
Such a overrated player, such a spud
This guy is a genius.
Get a room lads :P
You could clone any of the remaining 21 players in the fielded side, drop Cloke and stick them at FF and you'd get the exact same results at the very worst if not better
Quote from: Noz on May 03, 2014, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 03, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 03, 2014, 10:57:18 AM
Guess he would fit in at the Swans then with Buddy, Tippet and Reid!
There's always room for more
I don't see why they can't have a forward line of Lance Franklin, Kurt Tippet, Sam Reid Jeremy Cameron, Travis Cloke and Nick Riewoldt.
#HATERSGONNAHATE
Quote from: elephants on May 19, 2014, 06:39:04 PM
Get a room lads :P
I feel like the ultimate experiment would be to lock Vin in a room with Trav for a lengthy period and just observe what happens. :P
of course he keeps attracting the top 2 defenders every week because he is sooooo no good....please... 8)
Quote from: NigeyS on May 19, 2014, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 19, 2014, 06:39:04 PM
Get a room lads :P
I feel like the ultimate experiment would be to lock Vin in a room with Trav for a lengthy period and just observe what happens. :P
but would be fair to show Cloke Vinny's post history before you locked them up together lol
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 20, 2014, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 19, 2014, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 19, 2014, 06:39:04 PM
Get a room lads :P
I feel like the ultimate experiment would be to lock Vin in a room with Trav for a lengthy period and just observe what happens. :P
but would be fair to show Cloke Vinny's post history before you locked them up together lol
even better if Clokies hairdresser was locked in with them...he/she is obviously seriously mad... :o
This weeks Sliding Doors... thought you might like this one Vin ;)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-23/sliding-doors-round-ten
cloke is due to kick a bag of 14 this week......
He'd need to have 50 shots on goal to kick 14 in a game
Quote from: Ricochet on May 23, 2014, 12:18:47 PM
This weeks Sliding Doors... thought you might like this one Vin ;)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-23/sliding-doors-round-ten
Haha, I just read it before and thought of Vin. ;D
Thins chips should hire him.They'll get a sh1tload of potato out of him!!
Quote from: NigeyS on May 23, 2014, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on May 23, 2014, 12:18:47 PM
This weeks Sliding Doors... thought you might like this one Vin ;)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-23/sliding-doors-round-ten
Haha, I just read it before and thought of Vin. ;D
Hahaha good find Ric. :P
Pfft, he'll be in Eric Mackenzie's pocket all night on Saturday.
Quote from: elephants on May 23, 2014, 06:19:04 PM
Pfft, he'll be in Eric Mackenzie's pocket all night on Saturday.
WouldNotMind/10
Quote from: NigeyS on May 23, 2014, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 23, 2014, 06:19:04 PM
Pfft, he'll be in Eric Mackenzie's pocket all night on Saturday.
WouldNotMind/10
Odds for 3 goals or more:
Cloke - $10
Mackenzie - $9.50
Quote from: elephants on May 23, 2014, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 23, 2014, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 23, 2014, 06:19:04 PM
Pfft, he'll be in Eric Mackenzie's pocket all night on Saturday.
WouldNotMind/10
Odds for 3 goals or more:
Cloke - $10
Mackenzie - $9.50
Thats gold Ele....bboooohahhaha.. ;D
Maybe he's taking notes on how to be a useful forward from Tom Hawkins
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 24, 2014, 01:42:03 AM
Maybe he's taking notes on how to be a useful forward from Tom Hawkins
i don't think you should assume he knows how to read and wright
Who's ready for him to kick 0.7 today? I am.
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,95691.0.html (http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,95691.0.html)
Think I've found a bigger spud...
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 24, 2014, 07:37:28 AM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 24, 2014, 01:42:03 AM
Maybe he's taking notes on how to be a useful forward from Tom Hawkins
i don't think you should assume he knows how to read and wright
I'm going to assume you did this on purpose ;D
Just amazed nrich did not say anything lol
Quote from: elephants on May 23, 2014, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 23, 2014, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 23, 2014, 06:19:04 PM
Pfft, he'll be in Eric Mackenzie's pocket all night on Saturday.
WouldNotMind/10
Odds for 3 goals or more:
Cloke - $10
Mackenzie - $9.50
its neck and neck at 3/4 time.... ;D
Cloke and Petrie are shells of what we expect them to be normally.
Cloke gets 1 closer to the coleman.
In other news, he still sucks
24SC, what a superstar.
Honestly guys, he's lead the Contested Mark category for the previous 5 years, made the All-Aus team twice, 2nd in the Coleman once and won a Premiership.
He's having a stinker this year, but Spud is just crazy talk. Look at Tomahawk last year, was terrible.
Quote from: ossie85 on May 24, 2014, 07:49:35 PM
Honestly guys, he's lead the Contested Mark category for the previous 5 years, made the All-Aus team twice, 2nd in the Coleman once and won a Premiership.
He's having a stinker this year, but Spud is just crazy talk. Look at Tomahawk last year, was terrible.
Funny how nobody has uttered a word about Petrie.
Having an equally bad year as Trav.
That said, Trav should take a train home, might be able kick 11 next week. ;D
Quote from: NigeyS on May 24, 2014, 07:52:12 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 24, 2014, 07:49:35 PM
Honestly guys, he's lead the Contested Mark category for the previous 5 years, made the All-Aus team twice, 2nd in the Coleman once and won a Premiership.
He's having a stinker this year, but Spud is just crazy talk. Look at Tomahawk last year, was terrible.
Funny how nobody has uttered a word about Petrie.
Having an equally bad year as Trav.
That said, Trav should take a train home, might be able kick 11 next week. ;D
Or JJK minus the Giants effort
Quote from: ossie85 on May 24, 2014, 07:49:35 PM
Honestly guys, he's lead the Contested Mark category for the previous 5 years, made the All-Aus team twice, 2nd in the Coleman once and won a Premiership.
He's having a stinker this year, but Spud is just crazy talk. Look at Tomahawk last year, was terrible.
Tom Hawkins had dislocated discs in his back and could hardly pick up the ball, that said I would hardly be suprised if Cloke didn't either with his performance.
He almost cost his team the only premiership they've had in recently.
If he didn't have blokes like Swan, Pendlebury and Beams literally handing the ball to him on a platter, he wouldn't have more than 200 career goals
Boo hickey.
People have come on with a negative idea (something I'm never a fan of to begin with), they have decided on an opinion and are selectively picking evidence to support its argument.
I can show all the raw stats and logic and common sense but it isn't going to change anyone's opinion
Clearly Cloke isn't the worse player in the AFL
Clearly he is having a poor year
How's Carlton's big key forward going Vin?
Quote from: NigeyS on May 24, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
How's Carlton's big key forward going Vin?
Daisy?
Quote from: NigeyS on May 24, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
How's Carlton's big key forward going Vin?
Better than Cloke. But anyone is going better than that guy.
Quote from: Vinny on May 24, 2014, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 24, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
How's Carlton's big key forward going Vin?
Better than Cloke. But anyone is going better than that guy.
Dunno about that.
Obviously he isn't the worst player, people aren't arguing that.
But like Scully, Franklin and the like, he's paid a lot of money for what he does and hence should be questioned if he can only manage 10 goals in 9 rounds of football.
Having a bad year is an understatement when fans and the media try to hype him as the strongest and best Full forward in the game, which he really isn't.
Don't forget you were pulling out selective evidence all the same as us Oss.
Premierships won by Travis Cloke: 1
Preimerships won by Mitch Morton: 1 ;)
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 24, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Obviously he isn't the worst player, people aren't arguing that.
But like Scully, Franklin and the like, he's paid a lot of money for what he does and hence should be questioned if he can only manage 10 goals in 9 rounds of football.
Having a bad year is an understatement when fans and the media try to hype him as the strongest and best Full forward in the game, which he really isn't.
Don't forget you were pulling out selective evidence all the same as us Oss.
Premierships won by Travis Cloke: 1
Preimerships won by Mitch Morton: 1 ;)
Mitch Morton is a bnf winner, dual all aus, best contested mark in comp 5 years running, proven goal kicker also :p
not arguing bad form at the moment
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 24, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Obviously he isn't the worst player, people aren't arguing that.
I'm pretty sure Vin is, hence the thread and all. :P
Quote from: ossie85 on May 24, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 24, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Obviously he isn't the worst player, people aren't arguing that.
But like Scully, Franklin and the like, he's paid a lot of money for what he does and hence should be questioned if he can only manage 10 goals in 9 rounds of football.
Having a bad year is an understatement when fans and the media try to hype him as the strongest and best Full forward in the game, which he really isn't.
Don't forget you were pulling out selective evidence all the same as us Oss.
Premierships won by Travis Cloke: 1
Preimerships won by Mitch Morton: 1 ;)
Mitch Morton is a bnf winner, dual all aus, best contested mark in comp 5 years running, proven goal kicker also :p
not arguing bad form at the moment
1 time Michael Roach medal averaged 0.4 goals less per game than Cloke over his career ;)
Quote from: NigeyS on May 24, 2014, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 24, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Obviously he isn't the worst player, people aren't arguing that.
I'm pretty sure Vin is, hence the thread and all. :P
Rofl was gonna post same thing
Haha well he is obviously is the worst in the AFL. :P
I would expect more from the key forward target in a top 8 team.
Quote from: Toga on May 25, 2014, 12:45:47 AM
I would expect more from the key forward target in a top 8 team.
As do I for 2014
But the previous 5 years? He's been elite
Quote from: ossie85 on May 25, 2014, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: Toga on May 25, 2014, 12:45:47 AM
I would expect more from the key forward target in a top 8 team.
As do I for 2014
But the previous 5 years? He's been elite
being elite for last 5 years doesn't win you any games this year if you don't perform imo he is costing them games the team has no confidence in him
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 25, 2014, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 25, 2014, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: Toga on May 25, 2014, 12:45:47 AM
I would expect more from the key forward target in a top 8 team.
As do I for 2014
But the previous 5 years? He's been elite
being elite for last 5 years doesn't win you any games this year if you don't perform imo he is costing them games the team has no confidence in him
he is costing us I agree, but if the team didn't have confidence in him he'd be dropped
They aren't going to drop him, you can't have your highest paid player playing 2s.
Quote from: ossie85 on May 25, 2014, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: Toga on May 25, 2014, 12:45:47 AM
I would expect more from the key forward target in a top 8 team.
As do I for 2014
But the previous 5 years? He's been elite
Yeah of course, when he's good he is dominant, but talking about this year he's been poor.
He has still been overrated.
In his "elite" years, he wasn't very accurate. He was getting perfect delivery from pretty much the best midfield in the competition at the time. If he was in a mediocre side, he'd do flower all.
Your delusional hatred is getting a bit much Vin...
Haha probably.
Fevola > Cloke?
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 10:57:48 AM
Haha probably.
Fevola > Cloke?
If you don't include Fev's time at the Lions, maybe.
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 10:57:48 AM
Haha probably.
Fevola > Cloke?
Not even bias thats just fact.
Well in his year at the Lions. He kicked 48 goals.
Fev smashes Cloke in goals kicked and accuracy.
Fev has kicked something like 1.5 times more goals than behinds whilst Cloke pretty much breaks even.
Not to mention he smashes Cloke in Brownlow form ;).
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 11:05:20 AM
Well in his year at the Lions. He kicked 48 goals.
Fev smashes Cloke in goals kicked and accuracy.
Fev has kicked something like 1.5 times more goals than behinds whilst Cloke pretty much breaks even.
To be fair to Cloke, you can't just pick and choose who you compare him to though.
Quote from: NigeyS on May 25, 2014, 11:08:56 AM
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 11:05:20 AM
Well in his year at the Lions. He kicked 48 goals.
Fev smashes Cloke in goals kicked and accuracy.
Fev has kicked something like 1.5 times more goals than behinds whilst Cloke pretty much breaks even.
To be fair to Cloke, you can't just pick and choose who you compare him to though.
Well dude, key forwards. Goals and behinds. What do you want me to compare instead?
Hahaha exactly KGC
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 25, 2014, 11:08:56 AM
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 11:05:20 AM
Well in his year at the Lions. He kicked 48 goals.
Fev smashes Cloke in goals kicked and accuracy.
Fev has kicked something like 1.5 times more goals than behinds whilst Cloke pretty much breaks even.
To be fair to Cloke, you can't just pick and choose who you compare him to though.
Well dude, key forwards. Goals and behinds. What do you want me to compare instead?
I'm not saying compare other stats Vin.
There are key forwards out there now and in years past who are significant better or worse than Trav.
If you're trying to argue he's the worst key forward of all time, that's just silly and you know it.
I'm not saying he is the worst of all time at all, I'm not that crazy.
Just reckon he is overrated big time for what he is producing and what he has produced. He is playing like a rookie and is the highest paid in the club.
People are just going to keep saying, this is the week he is going to go bang. We are 10 weeks in and he has done flower all.
Agree or disagree?
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
I'm not saying he is the worst of all time at all, I'm not that crazy.
Just reckon he is overrated big time for what he is producing and what he has produced. He is playing like a rookie and is the highest paid in the club.
People are just going to keep saying, this is the week he is going to go bang. We are 10 weeks in and he has done flower all.
Agree or disagree?
I agree and disagree.
As stated above, he's not overrated. He's been elite in years prior to this. Imo, anyone who is/has been elite can't be labelled overrated. Especially if it was kept up for a number of years, not just one. He's underperforming this year though, he's been considerably worse than he has been, but it's quite clearly a confidence issue (and maybe an injury that's being kept quiet) that's ravaged his form and hence his output this year has been extremely disappointing for all parties involved.
Dropping him probably won't solve the issue and he's one of the best players on his day, but he's not a Tyrone Vickery.
The bottom line is there's a difference between being overrated and underperforming, at least I believe so... not sure whether delusion agrees.
I don't know man. If he comes out and kills it next year, I'll put it down to a bad year and accept that but not the way he is going. He has to show something soon, it's becoming ridiculous.
Murphy was elite for five years straight, has one below par year and he is apparently overrated. But not even Murphy was this bad last year, I know they are in different positions and this requires different demands but for what he is paid, he has been flowering terrible. He is costing Collingwood and if he can't fix this in the back half of the year, something is seriously wrong.
No gun player plays like this for this long. Every keeps saying that on his good day he is crazy, they can't just wait for a good day. Okay say he is not overrated and he is just under-performing, this is a pretty high level of underperforming.
i don't like comparing forwards that played in different times it's much harder for full forwards these days
Congrats on the 100th reply there kb ^
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 25, 2014, 12:15:51 PM
i don't like comparing forwards that played in different times it's much harder for full forwards these days
agree. Plus Fev and Cloke played diff positions
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 25, 2014, 12:15:51 PM
i don't like comparing forwards that played in different times it's much harder for full forwards these days
This is so true.
every one would agree that Cloke has trouble kicking for goal
but to claim he is a spud for that fact
well then Matthew Richardson is a spud too
Travis Cloke's strength is his marking
he needs to be isolated in the fwdline 1 on 1 more
(which opposition realize this and get a third man up etc)
so collingwood need to get the ball in quicker and have there 2nd and third tall forwards drag their opponent up the field
(something White does do but who is there third tall? closet is probably Goldsack and his a defensive foward at best)
anyways some stats to show exactly what i mean
2007 - 8th for marks in AFL (186) - 6th for contested marks (36)
2008 - 16th for marks (159) - 12th for contested marks (40)
2009 - 14th for marks (155) - 12th for contested marks (32)
2010 - 7th for marks (171) - 1st for contested marks (66) 2nd J.Riewoldt (54)
2011- 1st for marks (192) 2nd B.Gibbs (174) - 1st Contested marks (95) 2nd J.Podsiadly (57)
2012 - 4th marks (157) - 1st Contested marks (73) 2nd T.Hawkins (54)
2013 - 2nd marks (190) - 1st contested marks (58) 2nd M.Pyke (52)
(obviously the numbers in brackets is what they got)
so as you can see to claim he is overrated having lead the Whole AFL for the past 4 years in contested marking doesn't make sense at all
now after all that i feel dirty having stuck up for anything to do with collingwood :P
While it certainly is true that is much harder for full-forwards now and you can't really compare different time frames but Fevola and Cloke's careers overlapped for 5 years.....
it't his marking i'd be more worried about it's shocking currently
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
He has still been overrated.
In his "elite" years, he wasn't very accurate. He was getting perfect delivery from pretty much the best midfield in the competition at the time. If he was in a mediocre side, he'd do flower all.
This.
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on May 25, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
He has still been overrated.
In his "elite" years, he wasn't very accurate. He was getting perfect delivery from pretty much the best midfield in the competition at the time. If he was in a mediocre side, he'd do flower all.
This.
absolutely no evidence of that. Just a hypothetical.
Quote from: DazBurg on May 25, 2014, 02:34:54 PM
every one would agree that Cloke has trouble kicking for goal
but to claim he is a spud for that fact
well then Matthew Richardson is a spud too
Travis Cloke's strength is his marking
he needs to be isolated in the fwdline 1 on 1 more
(which opposition realize this and get a third man up etc)
so collingwood need to get the ball in quicker and have there 2nd and third tall forwards drag their opponent up the field
(something White does do but who is there third tall? closet is probably Goldsack and his a defensive foward at best)
anyways some stats to show exactly what i mean
2007 - 8th for marks in AFL (186) - 6th for contested marks (36)
2008 - 16th for marks (159) - 12th for contested marks (40)
2009 - 14th for marks (155) - 12th for contested marks (32)
2010 - 7th for marks (171) - 1st for contested marks (66) 2nd J.Riewoldt (54)
2011- 1st for marks (192) 2nd B.Gibbs (174) - 1st Contested marks (95) 2nd J.Podsiadly (57)
2012 - 4th marks (157) - 1st Contested marks (73) 2nd T.Hawkins (54)
2013 - 2nd marks (190) - 1st contested marks (58) 2nd M.Pyke (52)
(obviously the numbers in brackets is what they got)
so as you can see to claim he is overrated having lead the Whole AFL for the past 4 years in contested marking doesn't make sense at all
now after all that i feel dirty having stuck up for anything to do with collingwood :P
Ha ha, if only Richo received the delivery Cloke does... let's not forget he almost won a Brownlow on the wing. 282 games, 800 goals vs 205 games, 361 goals, no contest.
The Channel 7 news snippet/preview thing just said "A big money Magpie could be headed for the twos" and showed Trav. :o
Quote from: NigeyS on May 25, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
The Channel 7 news snippet/preview thing just said "A big money Magpie could be headed for the twos" and showed Trav. :o
:o
typical ...his price is almost right for a permanent bencher and he is unavailable... >:(
Well, at least he must be a decent and loyal person, unlike that flog Jack Gunstan ::)
Wait a minute, didn't he hold the club to ransom?
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 25, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
The Channel 7 news snippet/preview thing just said "A big money Magpie could be headed for the twos" and showed Trav. :o
:o
Tony Shaw suggested it. Don't think it will happen.
Quote from: NigeyS on May 25, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Vinny on May 25, 2014, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on May 25, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
The Channel 7 news snippet/preview thing just said "A big money Magpie could be headed for the twos" and showed Trav. :o
:o
Tony Shaw suggested it. Don't think it will happen.
Tony Shaw's been sniping at the Pies ever since they sacked him
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on May 25, 2014, 06:01:41 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on May 25, 2014, 02:34:54 PM
every one would agree that Cloke has trouble kicking for goal
but to claim he is a spud for that fact
well then Matthew Richardson is a spud too
Travis Cloke's strength is his marking
he needs to be isolated in the fwdline 1 on 1 more
(which opposition realize this and get a third man up etc)
so collingwood need to get the ball in quicker and have there 2nd and third tall forwards drag their opponent up the field
(something White does do but who is there third tall? closet is probably Goldsack and his a defensive foward at best)
anyways some stats to show exactly what i mean
2007 - 8th for marks in AFL (186) - 6th for contested marks (36)
2008 - 16th for marks (159) - 12th for contested marks (40)
2009 - 14th for marks (155) - 12th for contested marks (32)
2010 - 7th for marks (171) - 1st for contested marks (66) 2nd J.Riewoldt (54)
2011- 1st for marks (192) 2nd B.Gibbs (174) - 1st Contested marks (95) 2nd J.Podsiadly (57)
2012 - 4th marks (157) - 1st Contested marks (73) 2nd T.Hawkins (54)
2013 - 2nd marks (190) - 1st contested marks (58) 2nd M.Pyke (52)
(obviously the numbers in brackets is what they got)
so as you can see to claim he is overrated having lead the Whole AFL for the past 4 years in contested marking doesn't make sense at all
now after all that i feel dirty having stuck up for anything to do with collingwood :P
Ha ha, if only Richo received the delivery Cloke does... let's not forget he almost won a Brownlow on the wing. 282 games, 800 goals vs 205 games, 361 goals, no contest.
it was a question a kicking accuracy not brownlow efforts
and richo had some pretty good midfielders delivering him the ball as well that wasn't the tigers problem there problem has always been they have 1 major goal scorer and nothing else (richo and now riewoldt)
tbh cloke would be 10 times better if he was a CHF not FF
he has the tank to play CHF and has the marking ability
in more of a riewoldt type role
you see sometimes when the ball isn't getting down to hm he comes up on the wings and gets the ball yet then has the capacity to double back into the forward line and put on leads there
Since I am too lazy to do it myself, can someone chop Cloke's head in? I think it is fitting
(http://i.imgur.com/rd4DCcr.jpg)
Just thought i'd mention that during the week, I got a through and through collingwood supporter to admit that Cloke is a spud. It was a glorious moment
Quote from: Vinny on May 24, 2014, 09:49:53 PM
Haha well he is obviously is the worst in the AFL. :P
I'd like to take this one back please.
Quote from: Vinny on May 24, 2014, 09:49:53 PM
Haha well he is obviously the worst in the AFL VFL. :P
Fixed haha
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watch out could be a premiership player for 2 different teams next year.
not many have done that.
I reckon he is an ok player that was once a star so thats why he looks bad as he is compared to AA Cloke.