Thought we were due for one of these threads.
Am curious to what MTTY, Big Mac and my other fellow sufferers have to say about what has gone down so far this year. I myself have employed the numb tactic to cope. I knew we were headed this way after St Kilda, so I did my grieving then. I find myself having a minimal amount of care these days, as the 8 years has taken its toll.
It may be Round 3 and there is 19 more games to be played, but I'd be a fool to think it will change mid-season. Positive stuff just seems to avoid melbourne. But I guess Roos has the remainder of this year, and another year or 2 to rub off on the players.
The two games I have watched (all of today's and about half of the Saints), there are two things that stand out with Melbourne. Poor disposal and lack of a marking target up forward. Considering they struggled to win the hardball last season other then Jones and Viney, the additions of Tyson, Vince, Cross and Michie have been good ones (although Michie has been dropped).
They have a cornerstone to build around in Hogan who should hopefully develop into an excellent forward target and it will be good to see how he goes once he gets on the park. I think in the next draft/FA they need to take the best users of the ball available and a couple of guys that can break the lines.
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.
The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.
Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.
Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.
Basically stopped paying attention after that dismal effort against the Eagles.
There are actually only a few players who are at a standard to be on an AFL list, whether that be due to poor development, lack of skills, lack of talent or lack of the mental side of things.
Mitch Clark
Mitch Clisby
Daniel Cross
Chris Dawes
Lynden Dunn
James Frawley
Colin Garland
Max Gawn
Alexis Georgiou
Jack Grimes
Jesse Hogan
Jeremy Howe
Nathan Jones
Dean Kent
Tom McDonald
Viv Michie
Aidan Riley
Jimmy Toumpas
Jack Trengove
Dom Tyson
Bernie Vince
Jack Vinery
Jack Watts
*Excludes this years draftees and the rookie list (bar Georgiou)
That gives us 23 players who have the very minimal ability (while some have closer to A-Grade) to play at AFL level.
From this, the only players who would be able to be a part of most of the leagues best 22's are:
Mitch Clark
Daniel Cross
Chris Dawes
Lynden Dunn (Wouldn't have thought so based on previous years, but he is now at that level)
James Frawley
Colin Garland
Jesse Hogan
Jeremy Howe
Nathan Jones
Dom Tyson
Bernie Vince
Jack Viney
That's only 12 players on our list, who should be playing AFL footy and would be capable of doing so at other clubs. Hence, it is very much like playing with 12 men a game (and our scores reflect that). From that list 4 are currently injured, which makes things a whole lot worse.
Ratings these 12 players, on a grading scale, of where they would rank as players in most teams:
Elite - A (Grade) - B - C
Mitch Clark - A
Daniel Cross - B
Chris Dawes - C
Lynden Dunn - C
James Frawley - B
Colin Garland - B
Jesse Hogan - C (For now)
Jeremy Howe - C
Nathan Jones - A
Dom Tyson - B
Bernie Vince - B
Jack Viney - B
The point in all this is that we have a list that is going nowhere. We won't be seeing any good results this year, even with the inclusion of our forwards. I now know that and have accepted that. Am I willing to wait for Roos to go through another two trading periods- get rid of the dead wood and pick up players like the Tyson's, Vince and Michie's? I'm not sure I am... After all these years I don't think i'm up for another rebuild.
So what does this mean? I seriously am beginning to worry that, if other supporters feel similar, the worst could happen. One of these three things could take place:
1. Merge
2. Cease to exist, while another team comes into the competition
3. Relocation
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.
The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.
Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.
Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.
hey, round 1 the saints were missing montagna and hayes, and the giants were missing davis, mohr, palmer, shiel and whitfield (although, mohr/ davis are the biggest losses for us).
Both the saints and the giants were missing key structural components in our games against melbourne as well- if both teams had been fielding a best 22, I think the results for the melbourne games would have been pretty similar.
I would cut Hogan off that list- I think he'd play games for every team in the comp, but best 22 for most teams is a big call for a guy who hasn't made a senior appearance.
Quote from: Ziplock on April 06, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.
The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.
Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.
Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.
hey, round 1 the saints were missing montagna and hayes, and the giants were missing davis, mohr, palmer, shiel and whitfield (although, mohr/ davis are the biggest losses for us).
Both the saints and the giants were missing key structural components in our games against melbourne as well- if both teams had been fielding a best 22, I think the results for the melbourne games would have been pretty similar.
I would cut Hogan off that list- I think he'd play games for every team in the comp, but best 22 for most teams is a big call for a guy who hasn't made a senior appearance.
I'll just agree to disagree, I think the midfield Melbourne was playing was strong enough to beat both sides on their good day, sides are always going to have best 22 injuries just the Demons have the main 3 structural components injured which is unlucky.
I'll admit I don't know a lot about Hogan and I'm only going off the hype that he was roughly about as good as Boyd, which is twice as good as what they're fielding now
I really think Melbourne's biggest problem is just not having a forward line.
They've got three good forwards in Clark, Dawes and Hogan.
All three are injured and one's on 'personal leave'... The midfield's been pretty decent and guys like Frawley, Dunn and Georgiou aren't playing badly.
They really need at least one Hogan, Dawes or Clark back at the very least.
I do feel for Melbourne, it's not pretty to watch as a football fan.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on April 06, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.
The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.
Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.
Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.
hey, round 1 the saints were missing montagna and hayes, and the giants were missing davis, mohr, palmer, shiel and whitfield (although, mohr/ davis are the biggest losses for us).
Both the saints and the giants were missing key structural components in our games against melbourne as well- if both teams had been fielding a best 22, I think the results for the melbourne games would have been pretty similar.
I would cut Hogan off that list- I think he'd play games for every team in the comp, but best 22 for most teams is a big call for a guy who hasn't made a senior appearance.
I'll just agree to disagree, I think the midfield Melbourne was playing was strong enough to beat both sides on their good day, sides are always going to have best 22 injuries just the Demons have the main 3 structural components injured which is unlucky.
I'll admit I don't know a lot about Hogan and I'm only going off the hype that he was roughly about as good as Boyd, which is twice as good as what they're fielding now
Maybe we're just going to disagree on this point, but the giants were missing our two best key defenders, and the dees were missing their best key forwards... that about evens it out in my book.
As for the midfield-well, today at least we had 61 clearances to 36, more disposals, contested possessions, 115 tackles to 70, the giants dominated basically every facet of the game.
Honestly, it was pretty fortunate for the dees that we were basically playing in a swimming pool today- in better conditions it could have ended up being a blow out, but the constant deluge keep the scores down.
I mean, we won by 34 points, when we ran over them in the 4th... but 59 inside 50s to 39, 29 scoring shots to 11, it could have gotten ugly.
draft a forward or trade for one?
I feel exactly the same MTTY. I almost typed up the players that I thought melbourne must trade/delist, but thought I'd get ridiculed.
I unfortunately think my once favourite players in Grimes and Trengove should be traded. I can't defend them anymore, they have poor disposal, and Trengove attempting a sprint is embarrassing. I think neither, especially Trengove, will not make it as a player with the Dees.
The only way to break this losing mentality, and to get rid of the scars on these players, is to get rid of them. It is the only way to start afresh. The following players should be delisted/traded:
Bail, Rohan
Barry, Dom
Blease, Sam
Byrnes, Shannon
Evans, Michael
Grimes, Jack
Jamar, Mark
Jetta, Neville (R)
Jones, Matt
McKenzie, Jordie
Nicholson, Daniel
Pedersen, Cameron
Spencer, Jake
Strauss, James
Tapscott, Luke
Terlich, Dean
Trengove, Jack
All these players have either shown a huge incompetency in skill, and/or is a list filler, and/or have been at the club too long and shown nothing.
That sir is 17 players. The remainder being comprised of debutants (and some second years), good players, and Jack Watts (I still haven't lost my defence for him). And Jimmy Toumpas, who I'm told by everyone I meet he has potential I am yet to see.
Clark, Mitchell
Clisby, Mitchell
Cross, Daniel
Dawes, Chris
Dunn, Lynden
Fitzpatrick, Jack
Frawley, James
Garland, Colin
Gawn, Max
Georgiou, Alexis (R)
Harmes, James (R)
Hogan, Jesse
Howe, Jeremy
Hunt, Jayden
Jones, Nathan
Kennedy-Harris, Jay
Kent, Dean
King, Max (R)
McDonald, Tom
Michie, Viv
Riley, Aidan
Salem, Christian
Toumpas, Jimmy
Tyson, Dom
Vince, Bernie
Viney, Jack
Watts, Jack
Clark at this stage looks like he may retire altogether, and Frawley will of course go to someone like Hawthorn, as I am sure he is rightly sick of Melbourne. Why would he turn down a chance of winning more than 6 games a season? Hell, a chance at a premiership!
What that leaves, is a mere 8 players that have been exposed to 2 or more seasons of hell. Imagine the mindset and freshness the other 37 would bring!
All the while this 3rd, 4th? I'm not sure anymore. All the while this rebuild is happening, Melbourne cops more and more flak, and the supporters, even the loyal ones, can't bare it anymore and start (rightfully) deserting the club. The membership tally struggles to stay around the 20k mark, and that's when the merger talks, or termination talks begin.
In the season to date, I agree the lack of forward structure is obviously hurting melbourne. But lets have a look at the other stats shall we? Melbourne are losing them! Such as the ones Zip points out. We lost the contested possession count against St Kilda for christs sake, without Montagna, Steven, Hayes and Dal Santo, only to get beaten by flowering debutants!!!
I'm nearly gone. No one should be subjected to supporting a club like the Melbourne Demons.
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 07, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
I'm nearly gone. No one should be subjected to supporting a club like the Melbourne Demons.
I feel this is where I advertise my club as the one to support. :P
Plenty more room for another Richmond fan. ;)
But yeah, I'm really praying that it doesn't get any worse for Dees fans before it gets better... :(
Quote from: NigeyS on April 07, 2014, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 07, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
I'm nearly gone. No one should be subjected to supporting a club like the Melbourne Demons.
I feel this is where I advertise my club as the one to support. :P
Plenty more room for another Richmond fan. ;)
But yeah, I'm really praying that it doesn't get any worse for Dees fans before it gets better... :(
don't go to Tigers anyone but them
It's Melbourne or no one unfortunately. :P
Hey guys, heads up. I've dealt with being a Tigers fan my whole life which has been a bloody hard road, as everywhere I have lived in my life so far has been in an area of Australia where there are little or no Tigers supporters around me, while the local teams have been successful (Brisbane, Adelaide, and NSW for a short time). I know how hard it is to watch your team be labelled as a basket case, and to be subject to watching them play like a basket case week in week out.. It's not fun.
But I urge you to stick by your team, it isn't pretty but there's nothing better than a loyal fan in my opinion, shows strength of character to be able to stick by your team through tough times.
That being said, I agree with others in this thread so far, having a competent key forward on the park would go a long way in helping you win games, or at least get closer to opposition, but your midfielders need to work harder as well to get better delivery into that forward line of yours. I haven't watched much of the Dees so far this year but the few minutes I have seen them play I have been very unimpressed by the way all of your players dispose of the ball, too many stupid ineffective hospital handballs to stationary players, and just missing targets in general. It's not pretty football, and it's something I'm sure a lot of amateur teams would be scratching their heads wondering how half the boys in the team get a game.
Where does this improvement start? As you suggest, a list turnover is what needs to happen. Just like Sydney and now Richmond have done in the last decade, recycling players from other clubs that are looking for opportunity elsewhere - but they need to have A-grade potential. This is the hard part, and this is where you need a top recruiting coach that will be able to find these hidden gems on AFL lists... I'm not sure who this recruiting manager might be for you guys, but this needs to be the club's #1 priority, as it will be the key to drafting and trading yourselves to a positive future.
As I said though boys, I know it's not pretty but stick by your club, I'm really hoping things begin to improve in the next few seasons as I know how hard it can be. Come on you Dees. 8)
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 07, 2014, 03:21:49 PM
It's Melbourne or no one unfortunately. :P
Melbourne dies and a Tassie team is born? :P
I've stuck with them since pre 2000 might aswell tough it out further :P
What I get frustrated most with people who point out that it takes a long time, is that they mean it will take a long time to be truly successful. I know it will be, but that is the FURTHEST thing from my footy mind. What I expect in one summer, or what I expect quickly, is a competitive team with 3 or 4 proud wins in the season.
I cannot stress that enough. In fact I plead for people to understand. I'm not complaining its taken 8 years to get in the finals, I'm complaining that we haven't been a proud/competitive club for 8 years! (perhaps except 2010 and 2011 prior to 186)
So although I appreciate people like Toga and the countless others that have said stick it out, and that they have been through it as well, over the past so many years. And I mean this in a polite way, you really have no idea.
Have been whingey in this thread, apologies, but I needed the vent.
Can understand your frustrations Purple and I am sure Melbourne will rebound. It will take an aggressive approach to your list and trading but can be done. Jury is probably still out on the additions of Cross and Vince but at this stage they have been serviceable to you.
It is unfortunate that Dawes and Clark have been injured and in Clarks case a recruiting that may not come off if he retires completely. Injury to Hogan has also not helped.
You need to however retain Nathan Jones at all costs as he is the heart and soul of your club.
Know you have heard it before but stick with your team and although you will get frustrated it does turn around. As I have said previously I started supporting Brisbane from Day 1 and there is nothing more frustrating than watching your side have 150 plus points put on them every second week. I stuck with the Bears then Lions and eventually saw finals and premiership. Admittedly merger with Fitzroy helped us but it still took some time.
Keep the faith - Maybe a relocation may help eg South Melbourne to Sydney. Melbourne to become Hobart Demons with priority access to Tasmanian players.
Have been trying to figure out what to post here for half an hour, but I think you guys have covered the magnitude of our situation. All I want to see is the team at least matching the aggression of their opponent, regardless of winning or losing.
Quote from: Big Mac on April 09, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Have been trying to figure out what to post here for half an hour, but I think you guys have covered the magnitude of our situation. All I want to see is the team at least matching the aggression of their opponent, regardless of winning or losing.
+1
Something to be proud of. Through whatever avenue, just something to be proud of.
Was looking at the Demonland forum, thought this was a special read:
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"Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." - Morgan Freeman, 'The Shawshank Redemption' (1994).
Like many folk around here, Im currently low on morale and struggling to muster the usual optimism and energy for the fight. Were hardened supporters whove become experts at dealing with loss and adversity. Whilst I shake my head regularly at some of the stuff thats posted on Demonland, Im proud of my fellow Dees supporter. Its a tough gig and if any group of supporters had reason to walk away its us. Weve experienced one setback after another but we always bounce back. Or so I thought. The last three weeks, like others, Ive noted the uncharacteristic deflation and hurt that has clearly overwhelmed a band of posters Id normally associate with balance, optimism and good humour. Its one thing to be down about our current form but more disturbingly, its another to be flying the white with no hope for the future. A great many posters have made reference to mergers, relocation and death. And theyve done so in a manner that you normally associate with a terminal patient wanting to be put out of their misery. This concerns me greatly. Weve also heard posters talk about the plight of their children. Im about to turn forty and have two small children who I have no qualms in saying will definitely be Melbourne supporters and members. Ive had friends throw the child abuse jokes my way as well. I remember wearing the number two on the back of my Dees jumper in the early 80s in primary school and feeling very much alone.
In the minds of many the last three weeks and Mitch Clarks sad departure has been one kick in the guts too many. With Paul Roos, came an incredible tidal wave of hope. Expectations rose and hope morphed into genuine anticipation of improvement and wins. Paul Roos was like an adrenalin shot for failing fans and with the opening three losses weve relapsed and fallen into a hole of despair bigger than any weve experienced in the past. The timing and nature of Mitch Clarks affliction couldnt have been more symbolic of how the Melbourne masses must feel.
Hope can indeed drive a man insane or in our case, an entire football forum. Im not going to sit in judgment and Im certainly not going to stand on my soap box. Posters have every right to vent their anger and point the finger of blame but there comes a point when anaylzing and over-analyzing the ills of the past serves little purpose. Weve made our mistakes at the draft table, weve allowed a culture of mediocrity to emerge over the past eight seasons. Our decision makers have erred and the power mongers have divided rather than united. Weve lost loved ones, sacked coaches and been ridiculed for deliberately losing. We cant ignore the past but at some point we must move on. I think weve learnt from our mistakes and am confident weve got the appropriate structures now in place. The last piece of the puzzle, sadly, will be the team we send out onto the paddock each week.
So what am I asking? I guess Im asking for you to help each other out. Dont underestimate the power your individual posts can have on the shared psyche of the most passionate Demon supporters in the land. The group vibe right now is toxic. Talk of the club dying isnt productive. Repeatedly discussing past mistakes made by past regimes isnt productive. Slagging off young inexperienced players isnt productive. Abusing other posters who are in as much pain as you, isnt productive.
And if I can indulge in another reference to Shawshank Redemption, can I state my intent to personally get off the canvass yet again and re-commit to the club that has played such a huge role in my life. Put simply, theres no alternative. They had me from the first day I walked down the players race at the MCG as a seven year old attending a dreary, waterlogged training session. Im not going to allow this part of my life to die. Im going to find joy in the journey again and Im going to look forward to the next win and the next surge of adrenalin that only footy seems to provide. Theres a clear choice to make. As a supporter you can get busy living or get busy dying.
Although the poster doesn't know what an apostrophe looks like, it was a good read and, dare it be said, restored a little faith and perspective for me.
And contradictory to everything I've said in the past 3 weeks, I'm finally going to watch my beloved Dees LIVE for the first time next week! Although its a given loss to the Suns, but I'm damn excited all the same!
Not looking so bleak anymore.....
While everyone is saying how bad Carlton was, it requires at least a fantastic amount of pride and effort to beat any team by 30 points, especially in Melbourne's position.
I still think that on their day they aren't the bottom side in the competition
It also helped that they had a target or two up forward.
:D
Yeah Dees!
Go Dees, take that Carlton
Melbourne finally gets back on the winners list and all the talk is on how bad Carlton were and what needs to be changed. makes me sick
shows you the 'experts' only concentrate on the bad, instead of the good
(talking about the footy shows on Sunday)
Quote from: brad on April 13, 2014, 12:59:41 PM
Melbourne finally gets back on the winners list and all the talk is on how bad Carlton were and what needs to be changed. makes me sick
shows you the 'experts' only concentrate on the bad, instead of the good
(talking about the footy shows on Sunday)
let's be fair- carlton have been talking about finals... they deserve to have shower talked about them atm.
yeah no doubt zip, but why does it have to be the main focus? they're all waiting for Mick to lose his shower at the press conference, why not wait for Roos' press conference? I've seen Mick's one like 8 times, haven't seen Roosey's once. even if it wasn't Carlton, they'd still be focusing on the loser of the game
Quote from: brad on April 13, 2014, 01:58:05 PM
yeah no doubt zip, but why does it have to be the main focus? they're all waiting for Mick to lose his shower at the press conference, why not wait for Roos' press conference? I've seen Mick's one like 8 times, haven't seen Roosey's once. even if it wasn't Carlton, they'd still be focusing on the loser of the game
Because we already knew Melbourne were shower. Carlton were meant to be good and have just lost to a team that they couldn't lose to. Bravo to Melbourne but a big club like Carlton with high expectations going into the season only to quickly be 0-4 and having just lost to the worst side in the comp will always be a bigger story than Melbourne winning. I'm glad the heats on Carlton. Stops the media sinking the boots in to Richmond for a couple of weeks :P
Melbourne are cursed
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-24/setback-for-demon-hogan
That's a real shame for the club. Hopefully he can get his body right and make an appearance later in the season.
8 weeks more! flower that sucks for the kid. :-\
Hey guys , what's going on with Garland? Is he still injured? Suley hes in the best 22.
Garland had a pre-season injury in the range of 6-8 weeks, forcing him out of the NAB games. Has played a game in the Casey development league and a game for Casey, in which he unfortunately had a knee problem. The good news is that he will probably play this week, but it will probably mean he will have to play another match at Casey, so I would expect a Round 9 return. Maybe round 11 as Melbourne have the bye at Round 10.
Cool, thanks purps :)
Mitch Clark officially off the list i imagine they have a fair bit of cash to spend will be interesting to see if they can attract an A Grade player
Fyfe please!
Will never, ever happen, but yes please!
Well, if Freo win the premiership this year, and then Melb proceeds to offer him a million dollars a season.... who knows?
Is there a player Melbourne fans want (that the club actually has a realistic chance of getting - because I'd imagine a few would be out of reach)?
Taylor Walker.
Apparently Bernie Vince and Mitch Clisby have/will be getting into his ear about coming over. Who knows, if we start to improve and Adelaide don't finish in the top 10, we could be a chance.
Perfect replacement for Clark.
Well, with Clark's departure, it free's up 750k of salary cap space for next year, so I don't think money is the problem, and really, it is the most persuading factor in enticing a player.
I think Dan Hannebery is out of contract? He'd be fantastic. Albeit hard to get.
I think we can again say that melbourne would be after a star midfielder; failing that, one in the making (like another Dom Tyson)
Assuming Frawley stays (oh god please stay), our defence is fine, even if he isn't playing there atm. Maybe another forward?
Out of the free agent list... Matt Rosa could be a good get. Even Nick Smith. I even like your Shane Edwards Nige ;)
Mundy, Sewell, James Kelly are the older types melbourne could go for, but I don't think we will get another older player
Quote from: MTTY on May 03, 2014, 09:55:51 AM
Taylor Walker.
Apparently Bernie Vince and Mitch Clisby have/will be getting into his ear about coming over. Who knows, if we start to improve and Adelaide don't finish in the top 10, we could be a chance.
Perfect replacement for Clark.
I didn't think of that! That would be perfect lol
Shane Edwards you say?
Your first draft pick for Shane Edwards and it's a deal. ;D
Ideally i'd like to see:
Taylor Walker - IN
James Frawley - Stay
Ryan O'Keefe & Brad Sewell - IN as playing coaches
Trade 1st round pick (Pick 1-3)+2nd/3rd rounder for 1st round pick (7-11)+ player
Teams that I reckon are a strong chance of having 7-11 (without taking into account any compo picks): (Player i'd want in the deal)
Adelaide: Taylor Walker
Collingwood: Taylor Adams or Nathan Freeman or Ben Kennedy+Paul Seedsman
Essendon: Myers+Kavanagh
Gold Coast: Jesse Lonergan
GWS: Dylan Shiel
North: Ryan Bastinac or Trent Dumont+ Ben Jacobs
Richmond: Reece Conca
St.Kilda: Blake Acres+Josh Bruce or Leigh Montagna+Josh Bruce
Sydney: Luke Parker or Tom Mitchell or Sam Reid
West Coast: Luke Shuey or Jack Darling or Andrew Gaff
Something you guys haven't really covered is our lack of rucks. I can see us targeting someone like Blicavs from Geelong or Sinclair from the Eagles to give Spencer and Gawn time to develop. Also, as much as I hate to say it I don't think Frawley will stay, which means we can't go after free agents this year as they'll lessen our compensation.
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2014, 11:00:12 AM
Something you guys haven't really covered is our lack of rucks. I can see us targeting someone like Blicavs from Geelong or Sinclair from the Eagles to give Spencer and Gawn time to develop. Also, as much as I hate to say it I don't think Frawley will stay, which means we can't go after free agents this year as they'll lessen our compensation.
That's a good point. I unfortunately think Frawley will move on as well, but I'm not without hope :)
I like to think if Melbourne continue to play the way they have been since Carlton for the rest of the year, and about 4-5 wins come out of that, then I think we will have done enough to convince him to stay
Quote from: MTTY on May 03, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
Ideally i'd like to see:
Taylor Walker - IN
James Frawley - Stay
Ryan O'Keefe & Brad Sewell - IN as playing coaches
Trade 1st round pick (Pick 1-3)+2nd/3rd rounder for 1st round pick (7-11)+ player
Teams that I reckon are a strong chance of having 7-11 (without taking into account any compo picks): (Player i'd want in the deal)
Adelaide: Taylor Walker
Collingwood: Taylor Adams or Nathan Freeman or Ben Kennedy+Paul Seedsman
Essendon: Myers+Kavanagh
Gold Coast: Jesse Lonergan
GWS: Dylan Shiel
North: Ryan Bastinac or Trent Dumont+ Ben Jacobs
Richmond: Reece Conca
St.Kilda: Blake Acres+Josh Bruce or Leigh Montagna+Josh Bruce
Sydney: Luke Parker or Tom Mitchell or Sam Reid
West Coast: Luke Shuey or Jack Darling or Andrew Gaff
Essendons first pick is not until after pick 18 or something i think
i think you guys should go after Tom Bell
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 03, 2014, 03:25:51 PM
Quote from: MTTY on May 03, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
Ideally i'd like to see:
Taylor Walker - IN
James Frawley - Stay
Ryan O'Keefe & Brad Sewell - IN as playing coaches
Trade 1st round pick (Pick 1-3)+2nd/3rd rounder for 1st round pick (7-11)+ player
Teams that I reckon are a strong chance of having 7-11 (without taking into account any compo picks): (Player i'd want in the deal)
Adelaide: Taylor Walker
Collingwood: Taylor Adams or Nathan Freeman or Ben Kennedy+Paul Seedsman
Essendon: Myers+Kavanagh
Gold Coast: Jesse Lonergan
GWS: Dylan Shiel
North: Ryan Bastinac or Trent Dumont+ Ben Jacobs
Richmond: Reece Conca
St.Kilda: Blake Acres+Josh Bruce or Leigh Montagna+Josh Bruce
Sydney: Luke Parker or Tom Mitchell or Sam Reid
West Coast: Luke Shuey or Jack Darling or Andrew Gaff
Essendons first pick is not until after pick 18 or something i think
i think you guys should go after Tom Bell
Ah, of course. Forgot about that. Wouldn't mind Bell to be honest.
just came on to say...
flowerIN MELBOURNE!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT STUFF BOYS
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.
The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.
Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.
Don't want to tout my own horn but....
Bloody amazing win! Well done boys! :D
Hell yeah!
We're starting to become a genuine middle of the road side, which might not mean much to some of you but is amazing for us. Will still get our pants pulled down by Hawthorn though :/
Quote from: Big Mac on May 04, 2014, 10:35:51 AM
We're starting to become a genuine middle of the road side, which might not mean much to some of you but is amazing for us. Will still get our pants pulled down by Hawthorn though :/
As a supporter of a team that is (as argued by some)/has been there, I think I know how you feel.
There's definitely a lot to like about Melbourne and where they're heading at the moment (imo, as an outsider).
Huge win for the club on an away deck. You guys must be stoked!
I'm aroused.
Quote from: Big Mac on May 04, 2014, 10:35:51 AM
Will still get our pants pulled down by Hawthorn though :/
At least its not by everyone now! :D :D
Definitely excited to be a competitive team again :D
Just wondering Purple, Barra and Big Mac (and other Dee's supporters), who is actually your favourite Dee's player?
Quote from: MTTY on May 04, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
Just wondering Purple, Barra and Big Mac (and other Dee's supporters), who is actually your favourite Dee's player?
Once upon a time, it was Trengove and Grimes (which they then co-incidentally became captains)
Trengove has annoyed me to no end, so he isn't as much, and Grimes, although starting to look good, hasn't keep my heart.
JKH has actually stolen my heart a little, but I think he has with everyone lol.
But it would have to be the predictable answer, Nathan Jones.
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 04, 2014, 05:01:27 PM
Quote from: MTTY on May 04, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
Just wondering Purple, Barra and Big Mac (and other Dee's supporters), who is actually your favourite Dee's player?
Once upon a time, it was Trengove and Grimes (which they then co-incidentally became captains)
Trengove has annoyed me to no end, so he isn't as much, and Grimes, although starting to look good, hasn't keep my heart.
JKH has actually stolen my heart a little, but I think he has with everyone lol.
But it would have to be the predictable answer, Nathan Jones.
Interesting, personally for me it's Rohan Bail. I don't know why, but I just like him as a player. Good thing his starting to show his talent after that run over head injuries and concussions.
I had all but written Bail off, a resented him being on the list for the last couple of years, but this year he has proven me dead wrong. I have liked him this year, and there is no denying that he is showing to be a capable player.
I also felt the same about Mat Jones last year, I just thought he was a list filler. But he has taken my eye this year as well. Also gotta pay credit to pederson in the last few weeks. Hated his guts at the beginning of this year, but ever since Carlton he has been a new player IMO
For me it would be Jonesy easily. Theres only a few players in the AFL that never give up. He definitely ranks up there. Although I am liking Dawesy. He has been great this year in my eyes. Probably one of the most accurate outside 50 for big forwards this year too.
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 04, 2014, 06:41:34 PM
I had all but written Bail off, a resented him being on the list for the last couple of years, but this year he has proven me dead wrong. I have liked him this year, and there is no denying that he is showing to be a capable player.
I also felt the same about Mat Jones last year, I just thought he was a list filler. But he has taken my eye this year as well. Also gotta pay credit to pederson in the last few weeks. Hated his guts at the beginning of this year, but ever since Carlton he has been a new player IMO
Know exactly what you're saying. That's why it's being even more disappointing for me, as I know Bail has always had the talent, just needed the right coach.
Not a huge fan of Matt Jones, but i'll admit his having a real go this year and improving.
Quote from: Barra13 on May 05, 2014, 01:27:03 AM
For me it would be Jonesy easily. Theres only a few players in the AFL that never give up. He definitely ranks up there. Although I am liking Dawesy. He has been great this year in my eyes. Probably one of the most accurate outside 50 for big forwards this year too.
Geez Dawes has been impressive. Can't wait for Hogan to get out there with him.
Quote from: MTTY on May 05, 2014, 09:48:44 AM
Quote from: Barra13 on May 05, 2014, 01:27:03 AM
For me it would be Jonesy easily. Theres only a few players in the AFL that never give up. He definitely ranks up there. Although I am liking Dawesy. He has been great this year in my eyes. Probably one of the most accurate outside 50 for big forwards this year too.
Geez Dawes has been impressive. Can't wait for Hogan to get out there with him.
I've been really impressed with Dawes' work rate. He makes this team so much more competitive.
Even when Dawes isn't getting a lot of the ball, or making the marks stick, each and every time he makes a second effort, and third effort if possible. Has made a huge difference.
On top of stuff like that, he has a voice on field... leadership. A recent example was when Watts went with an Adelaide player to the boundary where they engaged in a tackle I think. Dawes walked over, pushed the adelaide player aside and gave Watts praise for his effort.
Not many players do that, that I have noticed these days.
What's the chances Salem will get another vest this weekend?
Quote from: Toga on May 08, 2014, 04:08:56 PM
What's the chances Salem will get another vest this weekend?
JKH got 3 green vests before he got a game, so I reckon the chances are high :(
Bugger - the kid looks a real gem so was hoping he might get a full game sometime soon, was very tempted to bring him into my AF this week! Might wait until he does get a full game to do so, still has a very high BE ;)
Interesting read:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-to-sound-out-essendon-interim-coach-mark-thompson-as-potential-successor-for-paul-roos/story-fndv8pdq-1226912322441 (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-to-sound-out-essendon-interim-coach-mark-thompson-as-potential-successor-for-paul-roos/story-fndv8pdq-1226912322441)
If that happened, I won't deny I'd be pretty happy. Thompson is a premiership coach... hard not to get excited about that.
What I would want the most though? For Roos to be our coach forever and ever :P
What do we think Dees-Trust?
I'm sure any person would want Bomber as a coach for their team. Obviously is a premiership coach and I love the way he goes about his interviews and press conference. Easily best coach to watch out there at the moment.
This is only my opinion but Dawes to me has put his name forward as being a captain next year. You can build the club on him
Quote from: tabs on May 12, 2014, 05:42:45 PM
This is only my opinion but Dawes to me has put his name forward as being a captain next year. You can build the club on him
He has certainly shown a lot of Captain like qualities in the few games he has played this year.
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 12, 2014, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: tabs on May 12, 2014, 05:42:45 PM
This is only my opinion but Dawes to me has put his name forward as being a captain next year. You can build the club on him
He has certainly shown a lot of Captain like qualities in the few games he has played this year.
he and Jones will toughen up some of those softer players at the dees
Interesting and relevant read:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-losing-creates-culture-of-misery-and-selfishness-20140513-zrbcu.html#poll (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-losing-creates-culture-of-misery-and-selfishness-20140513-zrbcu.html#poll)
I honestly thought it was a melbourne player writing this, but the last few paragraphs said no it wasn't, simply from one line:
"Winning is the norm again".... don't get me wrong, I am fairly pleased with the Dees progress and in a good place, but we have won 2 matches.
But things that made me think it, was, during Neeld's tenure, our reserves were like, ladder leaders, and the author made mention of reserve success. He also made mention of saying, "we weren't just getting beate, we were getting smashed"
I also think that the negative senior player(s) would have been Brent Moloney. Through rumours and his exit of the club.
Still, is an interesting read, and a place I never want to see the Demons in ever again.
I love you Paul Roos.
I love you Paul Roos!
I love you Nat Jones!
I love you Jack Viney!
I love you Dom Tyson!
And I adore JKH!
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS :D
WELL DONE BOYS
great win fellas. enjoy 8)
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 17, 2014, 04:31:57 PM
I love you Paul Roos!
I love you Nat Jones!
I love you Jack Viney!
I love you Dom Tyson!
And I adore JKH!
no love for Watts?
Grand old win fellas. Congrats on great football. 8)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 17, 2014, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 17, 2014, 04:31:57 PM
I love you Paul Roos!
I love you Nat Jones!
I love you Jack Viney!
I love you Dom Tyson!
And I adore JKH!
no love for Watts?
Of course! But they were the ones I could type through my ecstasy of joy and scotch-whisky lol
Not even scotch o'clock yet!!! :o
Nah you deserve it. Melbourne played some good footy :)
Well done Melbourne, played well and deserved the win. :)
Obviously the byes haven't finished but right now Melbourne are at 14th, ahead of Richmond, equal with Carlton and only 1 win behind North, Freo, Essendon, Adelaide and West Coast!
Congrats guys, didn't watch the game but you guys obviously deserved it. Your dream might not be far away Purps :)
Quote from: Toga on May 17, 2014, 06:08:10 PM
Congrats guys, didn't watch the game but you guys obviously deserved it. Your dream might not be far away Purps :)
Thanks Toga, I'm aware that this loss would sting a fair bit :-\
Here's hoping it turns around
Yeah it's a bit of a shame man but I almost half expected it, my Tigers always find a way to disappoint. I'm hopeful it will turn around again sooner rather than later but I just don't know how the team could have flopped so much since last year.
Hopefully both our teams will be on the rise in the next few years! :)
Paul Roos is the messiah
Took another wonder in the Demonland forum, where I was alerted to ANOTHER father/son prospect, this time for the 2015 draft, Jake Lovett, son of Brett.
Early signs says first round draft pick just from reading around....
Cool!
Well, we weren't too bad really yesterday. Call me bias, but we were better for longer than port was, but they didn't lapse and we did, and they deserved to win because of it.
In the first 10 minutes, and the last 10 minutes, they kicked 8 goals, so in my eyes we were better for 60 mins (game clock times, not real times).
Moving on, I did not like this quote from James Frawley post match:
"The boys have been really positive about how we've been going, but realistically, we're three [wins] and seven [lossess] where we are - and still well down the ladder."
Is this a subtle hint of how he thinks when it comes to his contract?
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 01, 2014, 09:58:06 AM
Well, we weren't too bad really yesterday. Call me bias, but we were better for longer than port was, but they didn't lapse and we did, and they deserved to win because of it.
In the first 10 minutes, and the last 10 minutes, they kicked 8 goals, so in my eyes we were better for 60 mins (game clock times, not real times).
Moving on, I did not like this quote from James Frawley post match:
"The boys have been really positive about how we've been going, but realistically, we're three [wins] and seven [lossess] where we are - and still well down the ladder."
Is this a subtle hint of how he thinks when it comes to his contract?
More so the attitude of the players under Roos. An honourable loss isn't a win. We want to win, anything else isn't good enough.
I felt you guys deserved to win that game, so when you let Port run away with it in those 10 minutes as Purps said, I was a little disappointed. Some players played very well. Cam Pedersen looks a different player, Christian Salem is going to be a star, I thought Max Gawn was decent too actually.
Quote from: NigeyS on June 01, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
I felt you guys deserved to win that game, so when you let Port run away with it in those 10 minutes as Purps said, I was a little disappointed. Some players played very well. Cam Pedersen looks a different player, Christian Salem is going to be a star, I thought Max Gawn was decent too actually.
Yeah I agree, we had a lot of good players yesterday. A few half performers though (only played well for a half).
This has been allowing us to make minimal changes each week, as no-one has been terrible. However there are a few, who have been poor over a period of a couple of weeks.
I'd make these changes this week (if VFL form allows it):
- Grimes -----> Clisby
- Toumpas -----> Michie/Kent
- Gawn (unlucky) -----> Dawes
Gawn stiff to miss out, however I can't see us going in with Gawn, Pedo, Frawley and Dawes all in the forward line. Unless Pedo or Frawley play back, I can't see Gawn in the team.
Would Grimes seriously be omitted for Clisby?
Quote from: NigeyS on June 01, 2014, 10:44:17 AM
Would Grimes seriously be omitted for Clisby?
I doubt it, but he hasn't been good lately. Don't get me wrong his shutdown work has been great, but his disposal and attacking intent not so.
I say this in all seriousness, I think Toumpas should be relegated to the VFL for pretty much the whole year. It wasn't great form that he had that got him into the team, solid, but not at the level for a person of his apparent talent.
If he gets his disposals in the 30's for Casey for 2-3 weeks in a row, then by all means get him in the team. But he didn't do that.
Feel a little sorry for McKenzie. Tearing the numbers up for Casey, just a shame he can't dispose of it that well :-\
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 01, 2014, 12:11:34 PM
I say this in all seriousness, I think Toumpas should be relegated to the VFL for pretty much the whole year. It wasn't great form that he had that got him into the team, solid, but not at the level for a person of his apparent talent.
If he gets his disposals in the 30's for Casey for 2-3 weeks in a row, then by all means get him in the team. But he didn't do that.
Feel a little sorry for McKenzie. Tearing the numbers up for Casey, just a shame he can't dispose of it that well :-\
I agree with you here. I know I said I didn't understand the hate for him but that doesn't mean i don't want him to work for his spot.
Pretty confident of getting close to, if not winning, this week. Pies have a number of outs, and with Dawes back I think we'll stretch them.
Quote from: MTTY on June 02, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
Pretty confident of getting close to, if not winning, this week. Pies have a number of outs, and with Dawes back I think we'll stretch them.
yeah i give you guys a huge chance
Would be amazing if we got up this week - Honestly reckon our performance the last few weeks will boost the attendance for this game by atleast 15k
Media is hyping Cloke as back in form but I think any form of defensive pressure from the Demons will shut him right off.
I think Melbourne has the capacity to win certainly, but it'll take a huge effort in the midfield to beat Collingwood's
I'm probably crazy, but I am tipping the Dees this week.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 02, 2014, 07:48:38 PM
I'm probably crazy, but I am tipping the Dees this week.
I don't think you are.
I'll be tipping them as well.
From an outsider looking in, and I'll admit I haven't seen many Melbourne games in their entirety, but ex-Roo Cam Pedersen really seems to be taking the next step!
Had a lot of promise during his first year at North but due to a number of circumstances it was the best thing for both parties for him to move on, seems to have been a very clean break and as such its great to see him in putting in good performances week in week out! Has to be admired for his workrate and willingness to do the little things that many other big men don't do, such as sticking the hard tackles and putting in what seem like ultimately futile chases in order just to put on some pressure.
Where do Dees fans see him at the moment with his football?
Has the worst nickname in the AFL....
But its either that or: Cam, Cam, driving the White Van.
2013, I hated this guy.
"I don't even want him playing for Casey Reserves, as it would impede their progress." - Purple 77, sometime in 2013.
First 3 rounds of this year... I wanted him dead.
Oh but how things change! Cam Pederson is arguably the most improved player in the AFL. His contested marking is phenomenal, he tackles, he commits to second efforts... everything you could really ask for. And like you say RB, he backs his performances up every week!
I like what ossie says about him, "He is like your Leigh Brown player."
Although he was being a little smart, I actually think he is just that.
So I am proud when I say, you have proven me dead wrong Cam. Kudos to Roos, and most importantly, yourself.
Honestly can't think of a player who has improved more than Pedersen in the AFL this year. Not sure what Roos has been giving him for breakfast but his workrate has been tremendous this year. He has gone from a backup defender playing VFL to a mainstay in the AFL side in one preseason.
Maybe Melbourne hasn't really done all that well this year, they've just done an Essendon had communication with a sports scientists.
On Pedo, his marking ability is spectacular. Compared to last season he's a revelation. Confidence is a wonderful thing.
Expect to see Kent come into the team this week. I reckon JKH will remain, Salem will be given a rest and McKenzie will come in for Gawn.
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 10, 2014, 12:15:32 PM
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.
I like to think he has earned a call-up. Say what you will about what he may or may not produce, he has definitely earned a senior call up through his hard work.
Also agree with those changes MTTY...
Another guy has been Jetta. Another great performance by him on Elliot.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2014, 12:23:02 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on June 10, 2014, 12:15:32 PM
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.
I like to think he has earned a call-up. Say what you will about what he may or may not produce, he has definitely earned a senior call up through his hard work.
Also agree with those changes MTTY...
Another guy has been Jetta. Another great performance by him on Elliot.
Yeah Jetta, Bail and Pedersen all definitely in that improved group.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 10, 2014, 12:15:32 PM
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.
McKenzie, as Purple said, has really earned his call-up. We're way too top heavy up front, so I see Kent being brought in for speed as a high half forward to replace a tall (Gawn) and McKenzie to give Salem a run in the VFL.
Personally I'd like to run Riley over Mckenzie, Cross is doing an awesome job of tagging that we don't need another.
Just remembered we also have the talented Michie... I thought he was stiff to get dropped earlier in the year, then he got injured, surprisingly, I don't really know how he has been doing since he got back from injury.
Can't wait for Roos' Dees to play Lyons' Dockers.
Nil all draw looming - and you reckon soccer is boring.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2014, 05:00:24 PM
Just remembered we also have the talented Michie... I thought he was stiff to get dropped earlier in the year, then he got injured, surprisingly, I don't really know how he has been doing since he got back from injury.
Has been racking it up but has also been poor defensively
Quote from: Barra13 on June 10, 2014, 04:34:10 PM
Personally I'd like to run Riley over Mckenzie, Cross is doing an awesome job of tagging that we don't need another.
McKenzie's been training as an offensive mid (that can tag). Riley has seemed to have dropped down the pecking order, as McKenzie's been the first emergency.
It might be the Sydney Swans/Roos supporter in me but I really don't see why everyone thinks the style of play is so boring.
Would you rather see them try to go down the corridor and butcher the all horribly like they did for years? Makes every goal kicked important.
Its good that he's playing guys based on how they can pressure defensively rather than whether they collect possesions
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 08:56:26 PM
It might be the Sydney Swans/Roos supporter in me but I really don't see why everyone thinks the style of play is so boring.
Would you rather see them try to go down the corridor and butcher the all horribly like they did for years? Makes every goal kicked important.
Its good that he's playing guys based on how they can pressure defensively rather than whether they collect possesions
Exactly it. Roos style of football is an acquired taste, one that I have grown quite accustomed too.
I personally enjoy the physical contest melbourne put out every week.
But 3 goals is unacceptable. Well, if collingwood kicked 2 goals, then it would be acceptable :P
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 10, 2014, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 10, 2014, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Blues > Lions > Dees.
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 10, 2014, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 10, 2014, 10:47:11 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 10:32:55 PM
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Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...
GWS beat Sydney. That doesn't make them better.
Sydney is 3rd, GWS is 18th.
The ladder does not lie.
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 10:49:05 PM
The ladder does not lie.
Why aren't Sydney 1st then ;)
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 10:49:05 PM
The ladder does not lie.
Why aren't Sydney 1st then ;)
Haha cause they dropped a game they shouldn't have against GWS. But obviously they are still better than GWS. :P
See Dave ;)
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 10:49:05 PM
The ladder does not lie.
Why aren't Sydney 1st then ;)
Haha cause they dropped a game they shouldn't have against GWS. But obviously they are still better than GWS. :P
See Dave ;)
they still wouldn't be first... port's only lost 1 game, sydney'ls lost 3.
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 10, 2014, 10:47:11 PM
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Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...
Melbourne also beat Carlton...
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 12:46:22 PM
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Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 10:32:55 PM
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Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...
Melbourne also beat Carlton...
Hence why the Blues are worse than both of us :)
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 11, 2014, 01:07:31 PM
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Quote from: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...
Melbourne also beat Carlton...
Hence why the Blues are worse than both of us :)
Yeh I think I quoted the wrong post :P
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:41:07 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say :D
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:41:07 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say :D
Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:41:07 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say :D
Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.
Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...
Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.
Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:41:07 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say :D
Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.
Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...
Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.
Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me :P
For what McDonald has accomplished at such a young age he's up there with Talia, Henderson and Carlisle as a really young KPD.
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How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say :D
Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.
Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...
Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.
Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me :P
Yeah... Hogan hasn't played, and Salem and JKH have played a handful of games (not to mention being cursed with the vest) :P
JKH's vest annoys me immensely. Why? Because he is almost already my favourite player :P that guy just took a hold of my heart 8)
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:41:07 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say :D
Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.
Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...
Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.
Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me :P
What's happening with McKenzie? I always thought he looked pretty good, but only played like 2 games this year. Is he injured or just not making the best 22?
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 11, 2014, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:41:07 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?
In no particular order:
Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say :D
Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.
Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...
Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.
Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me :P
What's happening with McKenzie? I always thought he looked pretty good, but only played like 2 games this year. Is he injured or just not making the best 22?
Became way too defensive under Neeld. Is working his offence in the VFL, but is close to a senior return. The worry is that when he tags, his opponents do not worry about him hurting their team offensively so they do not have to worry about paying attention to him at all.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.
"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"
"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Ah ok, cheers. Hopefully he gets a call-up soon :)
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.
"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"
"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
*queue tbag leaping to Toumpas' defence, as I sure won't*
But I guess he is still young... ::)
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.
"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"
"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.
I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.
"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"
"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.
I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Omfg I'm dying ;D
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 11, 2014, 08:52:15 PM
What's happening with McKenzie? I always thought he looked pretty good, but only played like 2 games this year. Is he injured or just not making the best 22?
I also think Cross has taken his role and keeping him out of the side. The guy kills it possession-wise in the VFL, but he doesn't have a huge impact with them... sure does work hard though.
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 11, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.
"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"
"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.
I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Omfg I'm dying ;D
The Dees can't even make a case for poor Toumpas. :P
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 11, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.
"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"
"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.
I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Omfg I'm dying ;D
The Dees can't even make a case for poor Toumpas. :P
I would if I disagreed :( the others might argue though
I actually still rate Toumpas. He's exactly like Watts was/is in that he has all the tools to be an elite skilled AFL player, but
i think Melbourne obviously need to draft or trade a forward but they also need another 1 or 2 quick players like a Yarran that can play both ends
Oh and Toumpas>Bootsma 8)
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:01:58 PM
Oh and Toumpas>Bootsma 8)
I do agree with that!
But if anything that puts Toumpas down :P
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 11, 2014, 09:01:36 PM
i think Melbourne obviously need to draft or trade a forward but they also need another 1 or 2 quick players like a Yarran that can play both ends
This is where Kent comes in (well he doesn't play back), in that he offers pace and grunt as a high half forward or inside mid. Jayden Hunt is also very very quick and is being groomed as a half back/ half forward. We also have Blease developing his game in the VFL, currently playing HB. (We all know he can play HF).
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:04:13 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.
Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:04:13 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.
Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.
Thoughts on our rucks guys? I think we need to trade in someone who won't be a liability around the ground, as I just don't think Gawn has developed enough to take over from Jamar straight away, and I don't think Spencer has the tools to fit that criteria. Sinclair/Blicavs would be very nice
Quote from: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D
We'll trade you Toumpas for one of Walker, Smith, Talia, or Sloane and your highest draft pick?
Or alternatively Dangerfield or B.Crouch.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:04:13 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.
Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.
We had a similar one for Cale.
Quote from: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D
Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something :P how the heck did know to read here?!
But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:
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Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:11:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:04:13 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.
Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.
We had a similar one for Cale.
Hahaha nice.
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
Thoughts on our rucks guys? I think we need to trade in someone who won't be a liability around the ground, as I just don't think Gawn has developed enough to take over from Jamar straight away, and I don't think Spencer has the tools to fit that criteria. Sinclair/Blicavs would be very nice
I actually am not Spencer's biggest fan. Personally think we should have only gave him a one year extension, if any at all.
We definitely need to trade in a ruckman or draft a mature aged one. Also would't mind listing a younger one.
Currie, Redden or Lycett/Sinclair would be gettable I feel.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:11:37 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:04:13 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.
Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.
We had a similar one for Cale.
Hahaha nice.
No last name needed :-[
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D
Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something :P how the heck did know to read here?!
But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:
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Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he
I swear Toumpas is the only player who has not gained confidence under Roos.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
Thoughts on our rucks guys? I think we need to trade in someone who won't be a liability around the ground, as I just don't think Gawn has developed enough to take over from Jamar straight away, and I don't think Spencer has the tools to fit that criteria. Sinclair/Blicavs would be very nice
I actually am not Spencer's biggest fan. Personally think we should have on gave him a one year extension, if any at all.
We definitely need to trade in a ruckman or draft a mature aged one. Also would't mind listing a younger one.
Currie, Redden or Lycett/Sinclair would be gettable I feel.
Yeah. I admire how hard he works, and he tackles more often than our other rucks, but he is a bit of a liability. I would hold off trading for a ruckman until Russian retires, to give the other 3 some more development time. We have other pressing trade concerns IMO
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D
Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something :P how the heck did know to read here?!
But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:
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Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he
I swear Toumpas is the only player who has not gained confidence under Roos.
He just has this sooky attitude after a bad performance, which destroys any scraps of confidence. Which is really the only reason he is my guy I love to hate.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 09:18:46 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D
Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something :P how the heck did know to read here?!
But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:
Quote
Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he
I swear Toumpas is the only player who has not gained confidence under Roos.
He just has this sooky attitude after a bad performance, which destroys any scraps of confidence. Which is really the only reason he is my guy I love to hate.
I still feel it's more so the whole Watts before 2014. Lacks confidence, feels the teams performance is on his shoulders, worries about contests and physicality and struggles with being a number 4 draft pick.
Think it's best served for everyone that you give him back to us (I say give him back as, every SA wanted him in 2011 after he won the finals and took a Premiership away from Centrals)
Actually am serious here, Crows give first/second rounder or Lyons for Jimmy + third rounder or something
Am sue he will blossom once home, Victoria doesn't suit everyone you know :P
P.S haha well, I follow certain threads that interest me :P and Roos interests me so interested to see what others especially Dee fans have to say :) (also interested to see what people say about Jimmy, as he will be a crow someday :P )
Although that's what we said about Gibbs ::)
Quote from: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 09:30:49 PM
Crows give first/second rounder or Lyons for Jimmy + third rounder or something
Unless Smith, Tex, BCrouch, Sloane or Danger are involved in that trade, then no. :P
Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:59:30 PM
Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?
That depends. Who for? ???
Hogan
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 10:03:12 PM
Hogan
BANG! DONE.
NICE DOING BUSINESS DEES.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:59:30 PM
Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?
That depends. Who for? ???
Haha didn't really think about it. Just put it out there. But what would you give up for him?
What about Warnock?
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 10:03:12 PM
Hogan
BANG! DONE.
NICE DOING BUSINESS DEES.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:59:30 PM
Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?
That depends. Who for? ???
Haha didn't really think about it. Just put it out there. But what would you give up for him?
Our first round pick for your second rounder and Kreuzer.
Alternatively I don't think the players we'd willingly trade would be enough to make a viable deal.
Henderson for Hogan?
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 10:08:47 PM
What about Warnock?
Not a fan. I liken him to a bigger, slightly better, but same skilled Spencer.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 11, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
Henderson for Hogan?
Nope, would take a higher pick as well to sweeten the deal. Hogan is basically off limits, except for players like Fyfe etc.
Warnock is a beast of a tap ruckmen and has been honourable in his service during Kreuzer's absence.
If you are lucky we will give him up for Hogan + Tyson. But it'd be tough!
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
Not a fan. I liken him to a bigger, slightly better, but same skilled Spencer.
I liken him to Mark Blake but with less marks, more hitouts and no premiership medal.
That'd be silly. Henderson is very important to us.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
Not a fan. I liken him to a bigger, slightly better, but same skilled Spencer.
I liken him to Mark Blake but with less marks, more hitouts and no premiership medal.
I can see that, a lot bigger too.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:15:20 PM
That'd be silly. Henderson is very important to us.
You forgot to mention he is proven.
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.
Have to say, I'm enjoying the healthy & friendly banter/conversation with another teams supporters. I always knew you Carlton guys weren't so bad. :D
Marc Murphy for Hogan?
Quote from: Noz on June 11, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.
Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .
Why would anyone trade Hogan :o
Sheesh, get Fyfe sure yep, he's bored of Ross's style but, give us Jimmy in the deal :)
Always saw Jetta as a kid that had talent, he's now a real diamond
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 11, 2014, 10:20:19 PM
Marc Murphy for Hogan?
I still wouldn't do that, and I'd say the Carlton supporters wouldn't either.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .
I think it's because Bail showed a bit in his first couple of seasons but has just had issues with his body/concussion. Pederson being a bit older and on the scrap heap I think the turnaround has been more prevalent
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:19:54 PM
Have to say, I'm enjoying the healthy & friendly banter/conversation with another teams supporters. I always knew you Carlton guys weren't so bad. :D
Hahaha was gonna say the exact same thing in the Coaches Banter & Vent Thread but the 30 second posting thing came up. It's good as even though it is distracting me from doing my homework right now. :P
KB stop. :P Murphy is a Blue for life.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Noz on June 11, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.
Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .
Had Rohan Bail on our list in Worlds and I've always been a fan, but I thought he was done for and so I delisted him. Terrible mistake, he's another one of those Dees along with Jetta, Pedo and even Dunn who really have turned their careers around for the better!
Knew picking up Dunn in XVs would be a good move. Had faith in him and he has been great this year!
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Noz on June 11, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.
Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .
Bail's kicking at times can be quite poor maybe thats why he isn't talked up as highly as the other 2?
When you have young guys like Barry, Harmes and Michie performing nicely in the reserves all of a sudden theres some very good depth there. Obviously Barry and Harmes may be a season or 2 away from regular birth but the future is looking bright.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch
The above article was a great read (for all clubs).
We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?
Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.
Quote from: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:19:54 PM
Have to say, I'm enjoying the healthy & friendly banter/conversation with another teams supporters. I always knew you Carlton guys weren't so bad. :D
Hahaha was gonna say the exact same thing in the Coaches Banter & Vent Thread but the 30 second posting thing came up. It's good as even though it is distracting me from doing my homework right now. :P
KB stop. :P Murphy is a Blue for life.
kill joy
Thats actually very true on Bail, on all points. I've always rated him, but yes the concussion set him back majorly (even looked like he may retire due to them at one stage). His kicking is his weak point, but he's getting a lot better at that and the decision making aspect.
On Harmes and Barry: I suspect we'll see Harmes sooner rather than later. That lung puncture really set him back, as he was traveling along nicely in the VFL. Barry is very much so a project player and I can't see him debuting until at least the end of this season.
Quote from: NigeyS on June 11, 2014, 10:34:29 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch
The above article was a great read (for all clubs).
We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?
Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.
Harmes looks like a very good player. Has the right attributes. Personally thought he was on his way to an early elevation and debut, but that injury set him back a little.
King I can see as a long term player, but I reckon he'll be a forward more than a ruck. Needs to put on a lot of weight and muscle though. Contests well for his build and is a nice mark.
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:38:46 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 11, 2014, 10:34:29 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch
The above article was a great read (for all clubs).
We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?
Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.
Harmes looks like a very good player. Has the right attributes. Personally thought he was on his way to an early elevation and debut, but that injury set him back a little.
King I can see as a long term player, but I reckon he'll be a forward more than a ruck. Needs to put on a lot of weight and muscle though. Contests well for his build and is a nice mark.
If the Dees only elevate one player off the rookie list, who would you like it to be - I'd assume one of Jetta or Georgiou?
Quote from: NigeyS on June 11, 2014, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 10:38:46 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 11, 2014, 10:34:29 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch
The above article was a great read (for all clubs).
We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?
Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.
Harmes looks like a very good player. Has the right attributes. Personally thought he was on his way to an early elevation and debut, but that injury set him back a little.
King I can see as a long term player, but I reckon he'll be a forward more than a ruck. Needs to put on a lot of weight and muscle though. Contests well for his build and is a nice mark.
If the Dees only elevate one player off the rookie list, who would you like it to be - I'd assume one of Jetta or Georgiou?
If we didn't have an excessive list of good KPD's then I'd say Georgiou. If all was equal, and therefore it was simply rookie v rookie then I'd say Jetta has earned it.
Must say, I do love seeing Melbourne supporters up and about and excited for the future!
As I have said previously looking forward to the clash of Melbourne and Brisbane in August where imo the stars of the future will clash and give both clubs an idea of where they are. Wish it was at the Gabba though not Ethad but thats the draw.
Have pinched your idea and started a best 12 list in the Brisbane thread. Both teams on the up and can see both playing finals sooner rather than later.
It's good to know we're going in the right direction and now have a game plan that works.
Well done Melbourne.
(http://s27.postimg.org/pf9bqiaj7/fgh.gif)
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.
God I hope Nicholson doesn't play ahead of the other ins
Quote from: Barra13 on June 12, 2014, 07:07:12 PM
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.
I was a very happy man when he left. At the time, I haven't been that happy since Melb traded Cale.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 12, 2014, 07:08:31 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on June 12, 2014, 07:07:12 PM
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.
I was a very happy man when he left. At the time, I haven't been that happy since Melb traded Cale.
Vince has already played about 18 times better than Sylvia ever did
Quote from: Big Mac on June 12, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 12, 2014, 07:08:31 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on June 12, 2014, 07:07:12 PM
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.
I was a very happy man when he left. At the time, I haven't been that happy since Melb traded Cale.
Vince has already played about 18 times better than Sylvia ever did
The most satisfying thing about it, if it isn't Vince, is that (obviously I don't know for sure but confident in) Sylvia thinking he was a big fish in small pond and only had to throw in a good performance or two to stay, so he goes to a big team in Freo...
And can't get a game! (injuries aside)
Melbourne will win this week.
I was thinking that too with no Jobe. Then again Essendon have had a habit of busting out huge games when the ASADA stuff comes out
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 12, 2014, 08:50:53 PM
I was thinking that too with no Jobe. Then again Essendon have had a habit of busting out huge games when the ASADA stuff comes out
We also have a habit of beating Essendon. :)
Wow :D
Got there in the end, glad I tipped them as well.
Certainly scared me though! Stellar games from Viney and Dunn
Dunn's surely gotta be All-Australian.
Quote from: NigeyS on June 15, 2014, 07:40:58 PM
Dunn's surely gotta be All-Australian.
I suggested that to ossie and he basically shot me down ::)
But hey, Collingwood lost today!
Dean Kent's going to be a super asset from here on in. Basically a huge upgrade on what Byrnes was doing early in the year. He also pushes further into, and plays for longer, in the midfield.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 15, 2014, 07:46:56 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 15, 2014, 07:40:58 PM
Dunn's surely gotta be All-Australian.
I suggested that to ossie and he basically shot me down ::)
But hey, Collingwood lost today!
Totally different player to what he used to be.
I'm slightly confident of being North at the G. Hoping we do anyway.
Unfortunately you guys seem to be facing North on their "switched on" week haha
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 15, 2014, 07:58:10 PM
Unfortunately you guys seem to be facing North on their "switched on" week haha
Thats my main worry. :(
And extreme Kudos for Salem for keeping cool, calm and collected in slotting that goal
And it would be a crime not to acknowledge the 4-quarter stunning on-field leadership by the ultimate professional in Daniel Cross.
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!
Watched the game with a couple Demon friends today. Fair to say they went wild.
I thought it was gone at half time 30 something points down. But I must say it was a good effort to come back from there. They really attacked hard in the last quarter.
No Cross, no Mckenzie, Dom Barry named in the squad after doing some run-with roles in the VFL. Could be a chance to debut this week and take Libba? Personally I don't think he should as part of being a tagger is making your direct opponent accountable for you, which clearly didn't happen when he had only 8 disposals on the weekend. Do we just run without a tagger this week though?
Quote from: Big Mac on June 26, 2014, 08:53:06 PM
No Cross, no Mckenzie, Dom Barry named in the squad after doing some run-with roles in the VFL. Could be a chance to debut this week and take Libba? Personally I don't think he should as part of being a tagger is making your direct opponent accountable for you, which clearly didn't happen when he had only 8 disposals on the weekend. Do we just run without a tagger this week though?
Think of the point of tagging as making your opponent go comparatively worse than you :P
For instance, if you normally average 15 disposals a game, and your opponent normally averages 30, and you collect 8 disposals while tagging him while he only gets 10, then you've done your job :P
Although by him tagging in the midfield, he is taking himself out of the game and taking the spot of someone who could actually damage the opposition.
Quote from: Big Mac on June 26, 2014, 09:40:13 PM
Although by him tagging in the midfield, he is taking himself out of the game and taking the spot of someone who could actually damage the opposition.
you still have to look at it as a differential
does barry's decreased output and decreased output of his opponent compensate for the higher output another player would have and the influence they'd have on their opponent?
I really think Barry hasn't earned a senior debut. Before he was used as a tagger, he never got more than 15 disposals in a match, and now that he is tagging, gets less than that. I don't rate him.
I was very surprised Michie or Blease wasn't named. I would have thought Michie would have been the right fit to replace Cross, and maybe Blease could do some damage off half back like he has reportedly been doing at Casey.
Will also be disappointed if BOTH Terlich and Nicholson are named. They both play half back and both make bad decisions with the ball. Hell, I'd even name Toumpas ahead of them.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 27, 2014, 09:21:42 AM
I really think Barry hasn't earned a senior debut. Before he was used as a tagger, he never got more than 15 disposals in a match, and now that he is tagging, gets less than that. I don't rate him.
I was very surprised Michie or Blease wasn't named. I would have thought Michie would have been the right fit to replace Cross, and maybe Blease could do some damage off half back like he has reportedly been doing at Casey.
Will also be disappointed if BOTH Terlich and Nicholson are named. They both play half back and both make bad decisions with the ball. Hell, I'd even name Toumpas ahead of them.
The thing is Blease and Michie have not impressed with their defensive game at Casey. This is key to breaking into a Roos team (which sometimes and be bordering on too defensive). Barry on the other hand does play a two way game, be that the amount of ball he gets limits his attacking abilities. This attacking side of the game, is what had Jordie missing out on games, but the thing is unlike Jordie, Barry has a good skill set and uses the ball a lot better. This allows Barry to have lesser disposal counts and still impact the game more (in an attacking sense) than Cross and McKenzie.
Would be very surprised if Barry tags Libba, as he doesn't have the body yet. Would be more likely that he'll go to Macrae or will be an emergency given that Griffen is out now. I expect Vince to be playing a negating role this week on Libba (or even Grimes- which would open up a spot for Terlich in the back line).
Who knows, maybe Barry comes in as the sub, avoids tagging, and Roos just wants to reward him for his two way play and role playing at Casey.
I reckon it'll be Terlich and Barry in, for the two forced changes. Vince and Grimes will both tag Libba at some point, with Grimes going to Dahl at stages. Barry to tag Macrae for the game.
Yeah fair calls, good points.
I reckon Blease was one consistent half away from playing this week... had 22 disposals in first half, then 7 in the next.
Still, will give Barry a chance. Was rated a second round draft pick I think when he came to the club.
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?
Quote from: Big Mac on June 27, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?
Definitely is, as that's what we've been doing at AFL level. Particularly early.
Quote from: MTTY on June 27, 2014, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 27, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?
Definitely is, as that's what we've been doing at AFL level. Particularly early.
And yet they talk about it as if it's a negative thing for Blease?
Quote from: Big Mac on June 27, 2014, 05:55:19 PM
Quote from: MTTY on June 27, 2014, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 27, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?
Definitely is, as that's what we've been doing at AFL level. Particularly early.
And yet they talk about it as if it's a negative thing for Blease?
Yep, really don't get that. Also i've heard rumours about the VFL coach being completely against the player playing Roos' possession brand of football.
So
Nicholson, Gawn, Terlich and Barry in
Means a couple of things:
- Frawley to play back
- Gawn to play Full forward with stints in the ruck
- Nicholson the likely sub
- Barry to tag
- Grimes to play midfield (and probably tag)
- Terlich to slot into the back 6.
Am hoping Nicholson will tag instead of Grimes :-\
Very surprised to see Georgiou not brought in for TMac
So in that case, yeah I do agree with you about Gawn/Frawley MTTY. Will be interesting to see how those two play in those positions.
Barry the sub ???
But... he is a tagger... has actually never made an offensive impact in VFL? Or at least recently?
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 29, 2014, 12:17:15 PM
Barry the sub ???
But... he is a tagger... has actually never made an offensive impact in VFL? Or at least recently?
He'll probably come on and play a role on the wing late. His ball use will be a good asset in the dying stages. Still an unusual choice.
Chris Dawes, the guy is so important when he's up and about.
More skill errors than Auskickers. What a shameful display.
I don't feel as hurt as I do disgusted with the demons today.
does the Terlich injury open up a door for Clisby ?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 29, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
does the Terlich injury open up a door for Clisby ?
I think Clisby's only just coming back from an injury, so he'll be at least a few weeks away. I'd expect a half forward will come in as sub and Barry will start. Terlich was playing as a defensive half forward today, which is the role Barry (or Strauss, could come in) will play.
Couldn't watch the game but I just got back and read the afl article and watched Roo's presser. I really hate this 'we started poorly' crap. Happens all too often and I remember reading it after almost every match last year. A few questions though.
I get that the umpiring was bad but was it at least consistent?
Who tagged Libba?
How did Barry look?
Will Gawn get a game next week?
Thanks guys - Looks like we have an ugly three rounds coming up as well :-\
Quote from: Big Mac on June 29, 2014, 06:23:56 PM
Couldn't watch the game but I just got back and read the afl article and watched Roo's presser. I really hate this 'we started poorly' crap. Happens all too often and I remember reading it after almost every match last year. A few questions though.
I get that the umpiring was bad but was it at least consistent?
Who tagged Libba?
How did Barry look?
Will Gawn get a game next week?
Thanks guys - Looks like we have an ugly three rounds coming up as well :-\
Only saw the last quarter, so can only comment on a few of your points.
I'm pretty sure Viney started tagging Libba, but it seemed like the tagged was loosened in the last quarter or so. Possibly also Viney getting tired, which turned it into more of a head to head.
I liked Barry's game. Started slowly, by roaming around (particularly around the 50m arc). He started to get involved in the game, by playing around and in the packs, when we pushed forward. May not have had many disposals, but was excellent in his pressure acts and willingness to compete. Should play next week.
If McDonald plays next week then no, Gawn won't play. I believe he was simply in the team due to Frawley playing back, thus Gawn was our best second/third forward option. It simply came down to Roos preferring Frawley in defence and Gawn up front, as opposed to Georgiou down back and Frawley up front. Could also still be out next week, if Roos changes this preference.
Thought Gawn actually played alright.
Dawes... needs to start marking them.
Nathan Jones started slowly but got better as the game wore on.
Viney did a great job tagging libba. He did it all game.
Umpires have been worse.
Melbourne gifted more presents than santa. So many stupid skill errors that I don't see in other teams, at least not as frequent.
Thought Jack Grimes was actually our best. Him or Howe.
Nev Jetta and Pedersen continued their solid form. Great years.
I'm not over-exaggerating when I say this, but I think if melbourne didn't waste their opportunities and gift goals to the dogs, we would have won by 6 goals.
Still, the doggies clearly deserved to win.
Quote from: MTTY on June 29, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 29, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
does the Terlich injury open up a door for Clisby ?
I think Clisby's only just coming back from an injury, so he'll be at least a few weeks away. I'd expect a half forward will come in as sub and Barry will start. Terlich was playing as a defensive half forward today, which is the role Barry (or Strauss, could come in) will play.
Clisby actually played in the VFL this week and was good. I still reckon he's a few weeks away, but you never know.
Would love to have a look at the Roos-version of Clisby. I would prefer him over Nicholson, maybe Terlich.
JKH 31 disposals and Tappy 30 in that 80 point loss, senior considerations? Tappy has put in a few good weeks in now numbers wise, JKH is a needed livewire IMO.
I also wouldn't mind Salem being our super sub for the rest of the year. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he seems to have made an impact each time he has been a sub, but seems to struggle in a full game (his port adelaide performance aside).
Interesting thoughts. I think our contested game really covers up our poor disposal but sometimes it does show through. What I would do to have someone of Mcveigh's ilk running around off half-back ::) Will be interested to see what Barry can do in a full game, he is a bit of an unknown quantity. Also wondering if Viney will be used more as a tagger now or if his success was more due to Libba's inexperience with being tagged.
Quote from: Big Mac on June 29, 2014, 09:08:16 PM
Interesting thoughts. I think our contested game really covers up our poor disposal but sometimes it does show through. What I would do to have someone of Mcveigh's ilk running around off half-back ::) Will be interested to see what Barry can do in a full game, he is a bit of an unknown quantity. Also wondering if Viney will be used more as a tagger now or if his success was more due to Libba's inexperience with being tagged.
I reckon it's a bit of both. Libba has struggled with the tag, in the limited games he's actually been tagged. While Viney's hard-nosed and contested approach opens up a very different way of tagging someone. I reckon McKenzie will be back to tagging next week though.
What do you want the changes to read next week BM and MTTY?
I would like to see:
In: McKenzie, McDonald (if fit), JKH
out: nicholson, gawn (although thought he was OK), terlich
JKH is a better fit as a pressure forward than Terlich.
I'd like to see (but doubt there'll be this many, as Roos is known for limiting his changes):
In: McKenzie, JKH, Georgiou, McDonald
Out: Terlich (inj), Garland (rest), Gawn (omitted), Nicholson (omitted)
Start Salem as the sub, and play Barry.
Was just about to post Salem out and Tappy in as well, he definitely needs a rest and to find some confidence and Tappy seems to have been a standout today - I think 4 changes isn't out of question especially considering the changes should actually be bettering the team, rather than just 'rearranging the deck chairs'
IN: Tom McDonald, Jordie McKenzie
OUT: Neville Jetta (Suspension), Daniel Nicholson (Omitted)
EMERGENCIES
26 Daniel Nicholson
35 Luke Tapscott
41 Alex Georgiou
:-\
Can't argue the ins and outs, I just don't think there was enough of them. I know Roos likes to make the least amount of changes possible, but I sorta though Tapscott and JKH really earned a call up, just from hearing comments about them in the VFL. Bail and Garland seem to need a rest as well IMO, and I would have thought Georgiou and Tapscott could have come in for them. Could even say JKH could have come in for either Salem or Kent whom have struggled in the past two weeks since their outstanding Essendon game.
I'm all for team stability, but I thought more changes were warranted through hard work in the VFL and slumped form in the AFL.
I've been reading a bit on Demonland today and the majority view seems to be that Frawley will leave. Some even suggesting that Roos already knows this and that is why Frawley has been playing forward this year (To fast forward Mcdonald's development) - although i'm pretty sure Roos just picks the best team possible. Obviously we all would like him to stay, but I don't think his departure would be as big of an issue as it once would have been. And with the compensation pick and our own pick, we would probably be able to pick up the two best midfielders in the draft.
Quote from: Big Mac on July 04, 2014, 05:23:22 PM
I've been reading a bit on Demonland today and the majority view seems to be that Frawley will leave. Some even suggesting that Roos already knows this and that is why Frawley has been playing forward this year (To fast forward Mcdonald's development) - although i'm pretty sure Roos just picks the best team possible. Obviously we all would like him to stay, but I don't think his departure would be as big of an issue as it once would have been. And with the compensation pick and our own pick, we would probably be able to pick up the two best midfielders in the draft.
Yeah I saw that too ( by the quite vicious posters ) on Demonland.
I think of what a herald sun writer said;
"Not often do you trade in an 8 year old commodore for a brand new ferrari."
I do think that as each week passes, our reliance on Frawley decreases. However, I really want him to stay. Big and able key position players don't grow on trees, and at his best, he is an All-Australian defender and a quite capable 2nd or 3rd forward.
In the event Frawley does leave, I would put money on melbourne trading one of the picks away. Maybe in a Dom Tyson deal with GWS for O'Rourke or Shiel.
Hell, maybe even both for Dangerman?
If you had two top 10 picks would you grab two mids or one mid and one key defender?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on July 04, 2014, 06:27:49 PM
If you had two top 10 picks would you grab two mids or one mid and one key defender?
2 mids IMO. I rate our defense, even without Frawley.
In the ideal world, the clubs that finish below us will take KPPs, and we will get the two best mids 8)
Obviously I want Frawley to stay, but in the case he were to leave it would not be the end of the world. Most likely, as has been stated, we gain an extra top 5 or 10 pick. Our defence would continue to be fine, without Frawley, however I think our forward line would take a hit.
Although we have Hogan, Frawley adds structure to our forward line, in that he provides a speedy leading marking forward. I feel if he goes, then we have to trade for a similar player for that role.
On the side of draft picks, i'd be inclined to draft Petracca and Brayshaw if they are both still there at our picks.
Think you should be safe with one of those MTTY. Who knows who GWS will draft though, but Brisbane and Saints will be more than likely drafting a KPP Forward, (Will tear up my membership if we do not pick either McCartin, Wright, Durdin or Goddard with our first pick)
What are we thinking the changes should be for the Geelong match Dees' trust?
Would like this to happen:
IN: JKH, Blease, Tapscott
OUT: Gawn, Terlich, Barry
SUB: Salem
I really think Barry is just not ready. I wouldn't be opposed to have him starting though and give him a proper go to do the job he has been performing well in (tagging). He could tag someone like Christensen maybe?
Gawn was very disappointing, highlighted by a 1v1 and his inability to mark the ball in Q1 against (I forget the docker players' name) his opponent who was 23 cm shorter than him. He was standing behind him and was even in a good position to mark...
I'm pretty much over Terlich. He is a slightly better Nicholson, but the guy has horrible decision making, and if it isn't that, then he has atrocious skill levels. Has often been guilty of not following the way we want to play with attempts at kicking the ball in the centre, only to turn it over with his poor skill by foot.
Still think Salem is an excellent sub. Each game he has been the sub, he has really delivered. Whereas he has struggled to play well for a full game barring his port adelaide match. I'm a big fan of this gem.
And MTTY, I should be ashamed. After acknowledging that I was wrong about Kent, I started to doubt his ability again after two poor performances in a row, but he really was good for the whole match against freo, even stuff like following up the ball and applying pressure, which is the stuff that really impressed me, more-so than his running goal.
He has a place in the Dees future 8)
in the 'in the mix' article this week they said Blease's disposal was bad so i doubt Roos will want him in
I definitely think Salem needs to be either dropped for a few weeks or at least be made the sub. Needs to get a bit of confidence back as well as consistency in his game.
On JKH, that's a few games in a row now where he has played well so I think he should make the side this week too. He had the 3rd most tackles this week as well which was good.
I would like to see Blease in the side as I think he could have a much better impact than Terlich, but I don't think he will make the side until Roos is completely happy with him. I guess he is trying to teach him that he has to work hard to get a spot in the senior team.
Riley played well, but I would like to see a few more good games from him before he gets a spot in the senior team. His urgency around the contest seems to be really good at VFL level (shown by his tackle numbers) but he needs to prove that he is actually able to bring that to AFL level.
IN: Jetta, JKH, Tapscott
OUT: Terlich, Barry, Gawn (Still keeping Salem in the side as we know Roos doesn't like to make a lot of changes, although I think Riley would be the one to come in for him if anyone)
As a side note: What the hell is going on with Michie? He didn't even attempt a tackle on the weekend
Please bring Georgiou in!
Completely forgot about Jetta! Of course he will come in.
And yeah, Michie has been disappointing this year, after his freo-departure hype.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-09/toumpas-struck-down
MELBOURNE youngster Jimmy Toumpas has been diagnosed with acute appendicitis and will miss the next four to six weeks.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-07-09/toumpas-evans-out-for-four-to-six-weeks (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-07-09/toumpas-evans-out-for-four-to-six-weeks)
Meh.
Shame Toumpas misses out on VFL experience, but he wasn't even making the most of that IMO. Just going through the motions...
Do you think he will be a long-term demon dees' trust? Starting to have doubts, because he just has no confidence atm and it could lead him to go back home to SA where he would supposedly be more comfortable.
I don't want him to go on principle more than anything, coz I don't want another high draft pick exiting the club, and I reckon it would be another Jared Polec situation where we would sell him cheap, only for him to go and flourish elsewhere.
Despite my criticisms, I haven't given up on him yet. He is only young, and has comparable early career stats to Jobe Watson and even GAJ if you use the AFL footywire website. It's just the fact that he can even let himself be down on confidence annoys me; signs of a weak character. Would never happen to Viney.
Ah, beat me to it TomK :P
I'd like the changes to be:
IN: Tapscott, Jetta and JKH
Out: Salem, Terlich and Gawn
- Roos tends to give new players a couple of games as sub, before starting them. I expect Barry to start, but probably be red-vested if his performance his sub par.
- Jetta back from suspension and is simply a better player than Terlich, who plays the same position.
- Too tall up front I think, I reckon JKH will be a straight swap for Gawn, with Pedersen to help out in the ruck. Either that or Frawley plays forward and Terlich stays (keeping JKH out) or Georgiou comes in instead of JKH.
- Salem needs VFL games. Less intense stuff to rest up a little.
- I reckon Jetta and Tapscott are certainties to play, with Tapscott getting the sub vest.
I reckon Toumpas will go home to tbag's delight.
Port will take pity on Melbourne and trade Wines for Toumpas
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 09, 2014, 07:45:36 PM
Port will take pity on Melbourne and trade Wines for Toumpas
Although Wines looks a much better pick in hindsight, I can see why we drafted Toumpas. A lot of our players have very poor skills and it really hurts when rebounding off half back. We desperately need players who can consistently hit targets, and Toumpas was supposed to be able to fill that role eventually. However, as much as I hope he can make it, he hasn't shown that he has the work ethic required for afl.
Couldn't help but giggle at a demonland post.
He suggested Toumpas didn't have appendicitis, rather appendagast ;D ;D ;D
Again, haven't given up on him, but thought that was rather clever and hilarious :P
*For those who don't know, Barry Prendergast was our old recruiting manager who recruited a lot of high draft picks now not playing on an AFL list*
I think Jetta and JKH need to come back. Even for a trial I'd like to see both of them roving around the forward line to pick up the scraps.
Quote from: Big Mac on July 12, 2014, 04:37:06 PM
Left at 3 qtr time :P We really need this split round
I didn't see the first half. But looking at Demonland they are calling for a priority pick, Schwab, Craig Cameron and Prendergast to be sued, trade Watts for 50 cents, delist all demons on the 2011 list (aside from Jones), among-st just the usual verbal attacks.
Surely it either must have been THAT bad, or I am embarrassed to be associated by these people that make such ridiculous calls. If we win next week, they are the sort of people that would be saying the EXACT opposite. So quickly that we forget the massive improvement this year, I'm disappointed of course, but 2 consecutive bad games doesn't mean we haven't made that improvement. Lets keep this in perspective, you stupid Demonland posters.
Yeh they get pretty crazy over there at this time of year.
The AFL allows itself to be influenced by club lobbying so there is no chance of a priority pick for us, but I can see why those on Demonland demand one every year. Surely no one will ever be deserving of one again? At least not after the precedent currently being set.
About the game - It was a very, very bad first half. Geelong were going half pace and still destroying us. Hurried kicks out of defense and when they actually landed in a Melbourne player's arms, no one was leading up forward. They did pick up a bit in the second half but it still wasn't good footy. During the 2nd quarter Frawley was soundly out bodied by Hawkins twice in a row and I saw him just shrug his shoulders at another Melbourne player. Pretty much summed up the game, we just weren't good enough to compete with them.
I understand the hate for Watts given he was a no.1 pick but people need to understand that he is not a contested ball winning player. His uncontested game is why people rate him and Melbourne just doesn't get enough of the ball for him to use his skills on a consistent basis.
Quote from: Big Mac on July 12, 2014, 06:05:26 PM
Yeh they get pretty crazy over there at this time of year.
The AFL allows itself to be influenced by club lobbying so there is no chance of a priority pick for us, but I can see why those on Demonland demand one every year. Surely no one will ever be deserving of one again? At least not after the precedent currently being set.
About the game - It was a very, very bad first half. Geelong were going half pace and still destroying us. Hurried kicks out of defense and when they actually landed in a Melbourne player's arms, no one was leading up forward. They did pick up a bit in the second half but it still wasn't good footy. During the 2nd quarter Frawley was soundly out bodied by Hawkins twice in a row and I saw him just shrug his shoulders at another Melbourne player. Pretty much summed up the game, we just weren't good enough to compete with them.
I understand the hate for Watts given he was a no.1 pick but people need to understand that he is not a contested ball winning player. His uncontested game is why people rate him and Melbourne just doesn't get enough of the ball for him to use his skills on a consistent basis.
Melbourne deserved a priority pick last year- since they didn't get it, they probably won't get one this year.
I have always had faith in Watts, will be a quality player! 8)
Surely Gawn deserves a recall after his performance?
Quote from: Big Mac on July 15, 2014, 08:31:56 PM
Surely Gawn deserves a recall after his performance?
Read the VFL reviews... they weren't overly impressed it seems. Seems like most of the hit outs were ineffective and easily won because the opposing ruckman were short.
My favourite review was Blease, seeing 25+ disposals, 2 goals and 6 tackles! I think that ticks every box to play seniors, so lets get him in!
Reckon the changes should be:
IN: Blease, JKH
OUT: Terlich, Bail
Starting to think Bail isn't as good as what I was led to believe earlier in the year, but he definitely has improved.
VFL Player Review Round 14 (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-07-15/vfl-player-review-round-14)
Oh okay - The melb website isn't loading for me for some reason :/
That does seem to be a reoccurring theme with Gawn, not sure if he just doesn't have the peripheral vision or the mids around him don't really know where to run.
I would like to see Blease get a run, would be his last chance you'd think.
Gawn with 45 hitouts and 4 goals today. 22 disposals as well. Nicholson also pushing for a recall with 40 disposals
Yep. Gawn well and truly deserves a spot now.
Gonna put that Nicholson performance as an anomaly. But good performance all the same.
Strauss had 33... strange how Nicholson and Strauss combine for 73 disposals!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/if-youre-a-melbourne-supporter-look-away-now-demons-draft-bungles-aplenty/story-fni5f91a-1226881324821 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/if-youre-a-melbourne-supporter-look-away-now-demons-draft-bungles-aplenty/story-fni5f91a-1226881324821)
That is all.
When I read that stupid article, I was furious. It was after Kelly played 2 games! How can they make definitive career achievements for him after 2 freaking games?! All the while Tyson was getting 25+ disposals and the article made very little mention of a certain gem called Salem.
Sam Edmund should be sacked or made to be forced to apologise, made those stupid calls with not enough knowledge; It's what I thought at time, is what Roos said a few weeks later, and it is what I think now.
I honestly can't understand why people are dismissing that Tyson isn't showing the signs of a star? Have they been paying attention to his year? At the age of 21?
An abhorrent article. And then they mention that Tyson was 10th in the AFL for disposals and 11th for CP's at the time? As if it doesn't count because Kelly could be a brownlow medallist
I was just listening to Roos on Footy Classified about the succession plan. He said he will be in the job for 3 years max. He wants a successor that has the same views on Footy as himself. The one guy I would instantly think of is Brett Kirk but I just read he signed for 2015 at Freo.
It also looks more then likely that Frawley isn't signing. He won't even look at a deal from Melbourne yet.
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked
Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.
Quote from: Big Mac on July 21, 2014, 11:07:14 PM
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked
Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.
They also played a grab of what Ling said on radio on the weekend. Ling said he was unsure if he wanted to coach and gave an example of he wasn't sure if he could sit there and work through 20 hours of game film in front of a computer a week. When they spoke to Roos about Ling he said Cam said the exact same thing to him in their meeting. This would mean that Ling is not a candidate for the succession plan and that is not what they spoke to him about, they spoke to Cam about becoming an assistant coach and not the head coach. Also if he is looking for someone with similar philosophies about footy, the Geelong game plan might not necessarily mesh.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on July 21, 2014, 11:07:14 PM
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked
Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.
They also played a grab of what Ling said on radio on the weekend. Ling said he was unsure if he wanted to coach and gave an example of he wasn't sure if he could sit there and work through 20 hours of game film in front of a computer a week. When they spoke to Roos about Ling he said Cam said the exact same thing to him in their meeting. This would mean that Ling is not a candidate for the succession plan and that is not what they spoke to him about, they spoke to Cam about becoming an assistant coach and not the head coach. Also if he is looking for someone with similar philosophies about footy, the Geelong game plan might not necessarily mesh.
Yeh good points - you've thought about it more than me I think :P Maybe one of the assistant coaches could step up? The defensive coach especially has done very well this year, name is escaping me though - has a few years in the system as well from memory
Just let him leave, the compo you'll get will be worth more to Roos
Quote from: Big Mac on July 22, 2014, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on July 21, 2014, 11:07:14 PM
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked
Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.
They also played a grab of what Ling said on radio on the weekend. Ling said he was unsure if he wanted to coach and gave an example of he wasn't sure if he could sit there and work through 20 hours of game film in front of a computer a week. When they spoke to Roos about Ling he said Cam said the exact same thing to him in their meeting. This would mean that Ling is not a candidate for the succession plan and that is not what they spoke to him about, they spoke to Cam about becoming an assistant coach and not the head coach. Also if he is looking for someone with similar philosophies about footy, the Geelong game plan might not necessarily mesh.
Yeh good points - you've thought about it more than me I think :P Maybe one of the assistant coaches could step up? The defensive coach especially has done very well this year, name is escaping me though - has a few years in the system as well from memory
Jade Rawlings, I believe Big Mac. :)
Wouldn't mind him taking over at all. I believe he was a caretaker coach for Richmond once too.
a facebook page is claiming Melbourne are front runners to acquire Jeremy Cameron
the page just spreads rumours and stuff but this one isn't that hard to believe
I would probably cry with happiness if that happened kb but I just don't think it will - He's a very talented player and one that will attract people to come to GWS games in the future - which is exactly what the AFL needs to expand the comp, and what GWS needs to eventually stand on their own two feet
Quote from: Big Mac on July 22, 2014, 09:05:21 PM
I would probably cry with happiness if that happened kb but I just don't think it will - He's a very talented player and one that will attract people to come to GWS games in the future - which is exactly what the AFL needs to expand the comp, and what GWS needs to eventually stand on their own two feet
I too, would cry with happiness.
But also think it probably won't happen :(
Think the Dees are more likely to go and poach 1 or 2 more GWS midfielders... Shiel has been linked to us for a long time, and I'd take the punt on Jon O'Rourke as well. Is out of contract, played very few games, former draft pick number 2, victorian...
Could we pull off a second round draft pick for O'Rourke steal? Worked OK for Polec and mummies boys...
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes
Quote from: Ricochet on July 23, 2014, 10:13:36 AM
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes
Hence the crying with happiness :P
Even though I don't think we'll get him, I hope Melbourne are offering GWS every deal under the sun to land JC and Shiel
Quote from: Big Mac on July 24, 2014, 07:40:06 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 23, 2014, 10:13:36 AM
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes
Hence the crying with happiness :P
Even though I don't think we'll get him, I hope Melbourne are offering GWS every deal under the sun to land JC and Shiel
haha I would too. We've been trying to land a gun fwd for years. Just can't get them to come to sunny WA
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Quote from: Big Mac on July 24, 2014, 07:40:06 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 23, 2014, 10:13:36 AM
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes
Hence the crying with happiness :P
Even though I don't think we'll get him, I hope Melbourne are offering GWS every deal under the sun to land JC and Shiel
haha I would too. We've been trying to land a gun fwd for years. Just can't get them to come to sunny WA
You'd have to offer a ridiculous amount to get both of them...
http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/ (http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/)
Tyson getting in Tomlinson's ear? :P ;)
Quote from: Big Mac on July 26, 2014, 09:32:38 AM
http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/ (http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/)
Tyson getting in Tomlinson's ear? :P ;)
:P he wouldn't be too bad actually, could maybe fill Clark's void (or try to at least)?
Mark Robbo just stated that Paul Roos has signed on for a 3rd year
Very pleasing news, as I'm sure it is for all dees supporters
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers)
For some strange reason, I just feel like he will be playing for us next year.
Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He's old, sure. But hey, that would mean tougher competition for midfield spots, more instant competitiveness... I guess we need to inject some more experience in our team with Byrnes gone. I like to believe he had a valuable off-field contribution, so thank you Byrnes.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 31, 2014, 09:41:40 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers)
For some strange reason, I just feel like he will be playing for us next year.
Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He's old, sure. But hey, that would mean tougher competition for midfield spots, more instant competitiveness... I guess we need to inject some more experience in our team with Byrnes gone. I like to believe he had a valuable off-field contribution, so thank you Byrnes.
i think you would be better off playing him forward
I'm still not sure I understand why Melb would go after guys like Malceski and ROK. Sure they add experience and can teach the kids for the couple of years they would be there, but they don't seem like a right fit for Melb imo
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 09:48:38 AM
I'm still not sure I understand why Melb would go after guys like Malceski and ROK. Sure they add experience and can teach the kids for the couple of years they would be there, but they don't seem like a right fit for Melb imo
Valid point, and I had the same view for a number of years. But, given the success of Cross, and I guess you could say Vince (who is still has a good few years left), the impact they have had is immeasurable. Not only in terms of instant on-field competitiveness, but just the professionalism and quality they bring to the club. Not many possess that at the Demons, which makes it all the more important to add to our club.
It also makes the younger players fight harder for their spots and releases pressure off them, so I don't really see any negatives in recruiting an old player or 2.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 31, 2014, 12:21:03 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 09:48:38 AM
I'm still not sure I understand why Melb would go after guys like Malceski and ROK. Sure they add experience and can teach the kids for the couple of years they would be there, but they don't seem like a right fit for Melb imo
Valid point, and I had the same view for a number of years. But, given the success of Cross, and I guess you could say Vince (who is still has a good few years left), the impact they have had is immeasurable. Not only in terms of instant on-field competitiveness, but just the professionalism and quality they bring to the club. Not many possess that at the Demons, which makes it all the more important to add to our club.
It also makes the younger players fight harder for their spots and releases pressure off them, so I don't really see any negatives in recruiting an old player or 2.
I was actually thinking of Cross after I typed that. He certainly has added to the club on and off the field. Do you think 1 or 2 more may be a bit too many? Was Cross on a 1 year deal? I guess it comes down to price as well.
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 12:27:57 PM
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.
Rok did win the norm smith 2 years ago. He can provide as much if not more on what Cross has given
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 12:31:01 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 12:27:57 PM
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.
Would he though? ROK would be familiar with Roos' coaching, being a premiership player in his tenure.
I think, seeing as Melb only have Cross and Jamar 30 over now, with the retirement of Byrnes, that we can get at least another 1, maybe 2.
Cross will be playing for the Dees next year, he has earned the his second-year clause in his contract.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 31, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 12:31:01 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 12:27:57 PM
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.
Would he though? ROK would be familiar with Roos' coaching, being a premiership player in his tenure.
I think, seeing as Melb only have Cross and Jamar 30 over now, with the retirement of Byrnes, that we can get at least another 1, maybe 2.
Cross will be playing for the Dees next year, he has earned the his second-year clause in his contract.
Yeh I would have definitely thought so. I'm sure there are some similarities but it was 4 years ago that he last coached Sydney and with different personal.
I guess I'm looking at it this way, you grab ROK for a year and you gain two main things. 1) his AFL ability on the field 2) leadership and teaching. But since you already have senior boys like Cross, NJones, Dawes, Dunn, Garland, Vince, Jamar, MJones and Frawley (if he stays) who will all be 27+ next year and have had a full preseason and season under Roos already, do you really gain much more leadership or another teacher. As an outsider it only looks like you gain his onfield ability because you already have some experienced heads in your group. But I'm only an outsider so yeh, just my thoughts anyway
He would be a great pickup if he was happy with playing in the reserves but i'm not sure if he would be. Apparently has lost a lot of pace and more slow mids isn't exactly what we need in the seniors. Would be great in terms of setting an example for training standards + work rate but how much more would the players take from him that they don't already get from seeing Cross?
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 12:31:01 PM
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.
He would either be there one or two years. So he either stays the entire time Roos is coach or he retires after 1. We are talking about a guy that has played most of his football under Paul Roos (9 years), he would have a better understanding of the game plan then a guy that has only played under this system for 1 season. He was a major part of that Swans culture which Roos is now trying to establish at the Dees. As a one or two year signing it would be a good pick up for Melbourne if he came at a vet minimum price
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 12:31:01 PM
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.
He would either be there one or two years. So he either stays the entire time Roos is coach or he retires after 1. We are talking about a guy that has played most of his football under Paul Roos (9 years), he would have a better understanding of the game plan then a guy that has only played under this system for 1 season. He was a major part of that Swans culture which Roos is now trying to establish at the Dees. As a one or two year signing it would be a good pick up for Melbourne if he came at a vet minimum price
Culture and game plan are a fair bit different. Dees gameplan certainly isn't what the Swans was under Roos. Similar yes but completely different personel. Completely agree with you on what he brings in terms of culture/effort/leadership though. Disagree that he suits what Melb need but
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
Culture and game plan are a fair bit different. Dees gameplan certainly isn't what the Swans was under Roos. Similar yes but completely different personel. Completely agree with you on what he brings in terms of culture/effort/leadership though. Disagree that he suits what Melb need but
This year he is trying to rebuild them as footballers, get them to do all the basics right and this is in part due to not having the cattle yet. While the personnel is different, Roos wants to get them to play two way defense orientated possession footy which is exactly what he had the Swans doing. While he might not suit the type of player they need on the field, one thing Melbourne has severely lacked the last 4 years is leadership. When Neeld got there one huge mistake he made was letting go of James McDonald. Melbourne have lacked leadership on and off the field since. Jones was one of the only guys that showed leadership capabilities and was passed over as a captain in favour of two younger guys who were not ready for the job. Obviously Roos has started the process in the last 12 months by giving Jones the co-captaincy and by bringing in a couple of mature guys in Vince and Cross. If he was to also bring in O'Keefe that would be massive in that aspect. It would allow the younger guys to mature naturally and step into that role without being thrown into it before they are ready.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
Culture and game plan are a fair bit different. Dees gameplan certainly isn't what the Swans was under Roos. Similar yes but completely different personel. Completely agree with you on what he brings in terms of culture/effort/leadership though. Disagree that he suits what Melb need but
This year he is trying to rebuild them as footballers, get them to do all the basics right and this is in part due to not having the cattle yet. While the personnel is different, Roos wants to get them to play two way defense orientated possession footy which is exactly what he had the Swans doing. While he might not suit the type of player they need on the field, one thing Melbourne has severely lacked the last 4 years is leadership. When Neeld got there one huge mistake he made was letting go of James McDonald. Melbourne have lacked leadership on and off the field since. Jones was one of the only guys that showed leadership capabilities and was passed over as a captain in favour of two younger guys who were not ready for the job. Obviously Roos has started the process in the last 12 months by giving Jones the co-captaincy and by bringing in a couple of mature guys in Vince and Cross. If he was to also bring in O'Keefe that would be massive in that aspect. It would allow the younger guys to mature naturally and step into that role without being thrown into it before they are ready.
Two way footy isn't an aspect of their gameplan that someone like ROK would help. That is built over preseasons in developing the tank and mindset to do it, not necessarily a directional part of a teams game plan. Though agree he would help with onfield leadership and direction when around the footy. Yep they also have lost guys like Moloney, Sylvia, etc which has only put them backwards in terms of experienced players. But as i listed before, Melb already have brought in experience to add to the older group of players. 9 guys who will be 27+ next year, along with guys like JGrimes who will be 26. And as an outsider nearly all of them strike me as leaders by the way they go about it and speak. Surely adding another won't add enough to this group to warrant going after him.
If he came on the cheap he would be worth it. It all depends on his asking price and I think O'Keefe is realistic enough to know that at his age he might have two options. One is to be rookie listed by a club and play as a nominated rookie, the second is that he would have to play at a bare minimum price due to his age. No team in the comp is going to offer up 300k for him to go and play for them, regardless of how much money they have to throw around. I think if he went on the cheap or as a rookie listed player (much like Scotland at Carlton this season), he would be a very handy pick up considering what he brings to the table as a total package, not just onfield performances
Jeez, just took a look at our interchange this week:
Kent, Blease, JKH and Riley
I got pretty excited when I saw that, but I have a feeling JKH will be sub :'(
I love that kid.
Don't forget, ROK has the flexibility to play as a marking forward (much like Sylvia played, when he was actually playing well). That's been a huge issue for us this season, without Sylvia spending time there and Howe playing back. We've had to rely on the two big forwards to take marks, rather than a medium forward being there to take a few on an undersized opponent.
Would have no issues offering up a 1 year deal to play ROK as a full-time medium sized forward.
This sense of blinding fury I have at the moment...
I just can't think adequate words to portray my despise for today's performance.
Think I've only been this angry after round 1 this year.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2014, 03:53:52 PM
This sense of blinding fury I have at the moment...
I just can't think adequate words to portray my despise for today's performance.
Think I've only been this angry after round 1 this year.
Nah, it was more devastation Round 1, I have never been this angry this year.
Delistments this year:
Sam Blease
Michael Evans
Daniel Nicholson
James Strauss
Luke Tapscott
Dean Terlich (although not our worst performer today)
Trade for chips:
Rohan Bail
Matt Jones (just a list filler, will never be much)
My current black list (has to do something special to get out of:
Jack Grimes
Aidan Riley (new inductee)
Fury fuelled this, but 8 list changes would be nice. Hopefully, we will get rid of the fodder this year; be realistic.
Good post from demonland
QuoteAside from a 10+ goal loss, how much worse could today have been?
Sun, no wind at all, for 51 points.
Our opponent didn't score, not once, for 30 minutes. At the end of that period we led by just 7.
We had a 14 point lead 7 minutes into the fourth quarter, to lose by 23. A 37-point turnaround in 25 minutes.
We lose our 19th consecutive game at Etihad.
We had more of the ball, again, but just 34 inside 50s.
This is a negative. This is a step backwards.
And to think there are people who think we have nothing to lose in these last 5 games.
Howe was great down back, and Jetta has been a revelation down there. Tommy Mac positioned himself well all day and made some good spoils. Tyson and Jones good as usual. That is all.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
Howe was great down back, and Jetta has been a revelation down there. Tommy Mac positioned himself well all day and made some good spoils. Tyson and Jones good as usual. That is all.
They definitely were the positives. I also think if Kent kicked 3.1 and passed that ball to Dawes instead of kicking a behind, he would have almost been BOG.
Melbourne just cannot win at etihad :o
That was such a terrible game today hahaha. Errors everywhere. No-one could hit a target by foot. You guys managed to score most of the time you went inside 50, our delivery was much poorer. Only real difference that I think separated the 2 sides was that our pressure on the man with the ball was probably a lot better.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/paul-roos-says-some-melbourne-players-may-forever-be-haunted-by-clubs-appalling-recent-record/story-fndv8pdq-1227011983900
"I haven't seen anything like that before in my time. The mistakes were extraordinary. Extraordinary," - Roos
Loving Gawn's work in the VFL at the moment
Quote from: Big Mac on August 05, 2014, 04:58:20 PM
Loving Gawn's work in the VFL at the moment
That has been a positive. Fitzy is only a little-bit of goal kicking accuracy away from dominating too.
Good to see Michie perform well too.
Quick question Melbournites
Who do you think might wear the green vest this week?
Just trying to do my team for a comp and have Michie in it.He`ll only be an E but I have another player I can put there instead but I think the other player might get the vest as well haha.
Thanking you in advance
Quote from: luvfooty on August 08, 2014, 02:01:56 PM
Quick question Melbournites
Who do you think might wear the green vest this week?
Just trying to do my team for a comp and have Michie in it.He`ll only be an E but I have another player I can put there instead but I think the other player might get the vest as well haha.
Thanking you in advance
Assuming it comes from the current interchange:
Jack Viney
Viv Michie
Aidan Riley
Dom Barry
I will tell you now it won't be Viney, and judging from the player Riley is, it shouldn't be Riley (although he has been the sub). Dom Barry has played his only 2 games as the sub, and could be likely to get it again, after (IMO) a non-door-crashing string of performances in the VFL. Michie, however, has been playing in the VFL consistently for a good stretch now, so based on that logic, and our need for strong midfielders against Hawthorn, I'm tipping Barry will be the sub (for the third stupid time in a row because he is a tagger).
Could also say that since Riley had an awful, awful, awful game last week (he is in my blacklist atm), that he could get a slap on the wrist in the form of a green vest, so I think Michie will be 3rd in line to be the sub.
Unless Roos does the dog thing and puts JKH the sub, then I won't even watch the game lol
Ok thanks purps
Hope JKH isn`t the sub it`s better for you guys if he is on field playing rather than warming the bench for the majority of the match.
Would definitely agree with Purple re: the sub this week. Also unsure why Barry is back in the side this week, especially considering he was initially named in the development squad last week. Thought he would need several decent games to get back.
On another note, some people on D'land are suggesting that Mitch Robinson would be a good pickup. Personally, I couldn't think of a worse thing to do.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 08, 2014, 09:33:38 PM
On another note, some people on D'land are suggesting that Mitch Robinson would be a good pickup. Personally, I couldn't think of a worse thing to do.
Ugh... maybe onfield? I guess he shows that never-say-die attitude, but at the cost of another attitude I guess.
Don't need more players with questionable skill :-\ but I can see why they linked him with us
Have really come to like Kent since his Essendon game. And it's not just the running goals he kicks, it's the pressure he applies as well that has earned my praise.
This kid has a future here; something I would have been far from saying at the start of this year.
Agreed - I remember coming to the same conclusion last year - might have been after the (2nd?) gold coast game
Been a big fan of Kent, since we drafted him. Plays Sylvia's old role well enough. Has a similar body to him, and while he has a lesser marking ability, he puts in a whole lot more than Sylvia did/does.
And probably has a much smaller wage than Sylvia had :P
Would always love to reunite brothers in an AFL club
http://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/2473312/oscar-mcdonald-picked-for-victorian-draft-combine/ (http://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/2473312/oscar-mcdonald-picked-for-victorian-draft-combine/)
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 17, 2014, 05:28:42 PM
I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing now, but I'm actually not surprised this has happened.
There is actually a lot of merit to what Paul Roos said about "a team waiting to be beaten." Crazy as it sounds, but I actually think this team fears improvement/winning.
There has been 5-6 matches of when we have been in front in the last quarter and lost.
Will be interesting to see the fallout of this match. Especially what Bernie Vince has to say, seeing as he said "there is no chance the Giants will win their third consecutive match against the Demons this round."
I actually felt a sense of "enough is enough" from the crowd watching it on tv, they were booing every skill error, and giving both Frawley and Dawes bronx cheers.
I am still under a temporary loss of passion after that brisbane game, otherwise I'd be devastated right now.
What now?
idec
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-17/hogan-back-but-no-hero
A question for everyone:
Which was a worse performance?
Geelong v Melbourne, Kardinia Park, 2011 where Melbourne lost by 186 points.
Melbourne v GWS, MCG, 2014 where Melbourne lost by 64 points.
I'm going to go on record and say the latter. Therefore, where does this leave Melbourne?
There is statistics (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-08-14/stats-a-fact-dees-have-come-a-long-way) to show that they have improved since last season, but after the weekend's performance, have Melbourne really improved?
I think if Melbourne want to go any further from here, the need to do five things:
1. Cull any and all on the list that is a "passenger". Melbourne can't afford it any longer, and I'm sure there is a lot of dead weight on the list. Start with Sam Blease.
2. Get rid of James Frawley. Take the cash and hope that the AFL give them a 1st round compo pick.
3. Take a leap from Richmond's drafting strategy - look at how successful Anthony Miles has become. There are plenty of players out there waiting for another chance ie. Sam Iles, Steve Clifton and even Dan Connors. Better rookie picks than Max King, James Harmes, Mitch Clisby and Nathan Stark.
4. Use the Frawley money and draft picks to raid Sydney's list. Take Malceski and some of Tim Membrey, Sam Reid, Dean Towers, Harry Cunningham, Tom Mitchell and those players that are finding it difficult to fit on their list. Sydney will undoubted have to get rid of some players to relieve their salary cap worries, Melbourne would be best to pounce.
5. If Sydney does not budge, look at value in other lists. Liam Anthony from North perhaps? Doubt North would take more than third round pick for him now, but he still has plenty of talent.
Out: Dead weight and James Frawley
In: Sam Iles, Steve Clifton, Dan Connors, Nick Malceski, Sam Reid, Tom Mitchell, Liam Anthony
Doesn't begin to look so bad now, and perhaps Melbourne can finally look like a competitive AFL side.
Thoughts?
sounds good besides Dan Conners
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 05:02:38 PM
sounds good besides Dan Conners
Has kicked 35 goals from 11 games, and believe it or not is leading the VFL Goalkicking tally.
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-118-0-294689-0&a=STATS
Quote from: WCarey18 on August 18, 2014, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 05:02:38 PM
sounds good besides Dan Conners
Has kicked 35 goals from 11 games, and believe it or not is leading the VFL Goalkicking tally.
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-118-0-294689-0&a=STATS
it's about his off field issues not on the field
I do agree this rates with 186.
I'm sure all melbourne supporters have heard it all, what should happen etc. I'm also sure we're sick of talking about it, so will leave that to the AFL supporters.
Quote from: WCarey18 on August 18, 2014, 04:55:38 PM
I think if Melbourne want to go any further from here, the need to do five things:
1. Cull any and all on the list that is a "passenger". Melbourne can't afford it any longer, and I'm sure there is a lot of dead weight on the list. Start with Sam Blease.
2. Get rid of James Frawley. Take the cash and hope that the AFL give them a 1st round compo pick.
3. Take a leap from Richmond's drafting strategy - look at how successful Anthony Miles has become. There are plenty of players out there waiting for another chance ie. Sam Iles, Steve Clifton and even Dan Connors. Better rookie picks than Max King, James Harmes, Mitch Clisby and Nathan Stark.
4. Use the Frawley money and draft picks to raid Sydney's list. Take Malceski and some of Tim Membrey, Sam Reid, Dean Towers, Harry Cunningham, Tom Mitchell and those players that are finding it difficult to fit on their list. Sydney will undoubted have to get rid of some players to relieve their salary cap worries, Melbourne would be best to pounce.
5. If Sydney does not budge, look at value in other lists. Liam Anthony from North perhaps? Doubt North would take more than third round pick for him now, but he still has plenty of talent.
Out: Dead weight and James Frawley
In: Sam Iles, Steve Clifton, Dan Connors, Nick Malceski, Sam Reid, Tom Mitchell, Liam Anthony
Doesn't begin to look so bad now, and perhaps Melbourne can finally look like a competitive AFL side.
Thoughts?
Couple of points, Roos will no doubt already have decided most of the guys he's getting rid of. Frawley looks pretty much a given to go.
For every Miles out there there's another 10 guys who won't provide anything new to the club. A lot of the guys you mentioned were complete passengers at their old clubs.
As for the Swans you mentioned, all will have to be traded for except Malceski, and all except Towers and Membrey are already signed past 2014
The problems are obviously internal. No professional recruiting team is bad enough to draft less than 5 good future players over 5 odd years of drafts. It has to be the environment which they come to.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: WCarey18 on August 18, 2014, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 05:02:38 PM
sounds good besides Dan Conners
Has kicked 35 goals from 11 games, and believe it or not is leading the VFL Goalkicking tally.
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-118-0-294689-0&a=STATS
it's about his off field issues not on the field
Been playing really well for Port Melbourne and most of his issues are behind him.
Just thought i'd mention a couple points.
1. We can't actually afford the full salary cap. So Frawley can leave but we might not be able to fill the cap space left behind.
2. No one wants to come to the club. We just got belted by GWS on our home turf in the worst match i've ever attended.
Always encouraging to see that, being regarded as a young team supposed to be on the improve, that we only have one player in this list:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/dyson-heppell-leads-45man-2014-afl-players-association-22under22-squad/story-fnect155-1227029904964 (http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/dyson-heppell-leads-45man-2014-afl-players-association-22under22-squad/story-fnect155-1227029904964)
I guess looking at the list its kind of the reason why. Like there are only 3 guys that are 22 (Michie, McDonald and Evans) and 1 that is 21 (Tyson). They would have to be quite extraordinary at 19/20 to be on that list. If they did this again in another year or so you could very well see guys like Toumpas, Viney, Kent, etc
QuoteMelbourne has formulated an ambitious plan to regenerate its struggling list that could involve trading out some of the team's biggest names.
Following this week's revelation that the Demons have applied for a priority pick, it's believed Melbourne aims to have five picks inside the top 20 of this year's national draft.
Assuming the Dees finish 17th, Melbourne is banking on picking up selection no.3 for defender-cum-forward James Frawley.
It's been suggested to Sports Today that other names on the table include Jack Watts, Jimmy Toumpas, current co-captain Jack Grimes and former co-captain Jack Trengove.
The club is also believed to be keen to pick-up as many as five mature-aged recruits.
very interesting to see how this develops
Sounds pretty unsubstantiated to me. I think we'll have as many as 13 names to replace at the end of the year (if we were to remove every player that is not AFL standard), so it's obvious that we will be looking to maximize the amount of players we can get. However, the potential that guys like Trengove and Toumpas possess just isn't worth the draft pick we would likely get in return. Trengove has also been injured the whole year so I think the club would be backing him in. Toumpas has also stated that he has declined any notion of being traded and wants to be a part of the revival. Roos claims Watts has been playing his role all year, and I can't see us getting rid of pretty much our only player with elite disposal. Grimes is our captain.
Interesting quote nonetheless, even if I think it won't happen.
Didnt they try the mature aged players the other year? Rodan?
Vince had been a successful mature age get. Rodan was a bit of a fail tho lol.
Going in very tall this week
Talk of an ACL for Gawn. Please no.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 31, 2014, 12:34:49 PM
Talk of an ACL for Gawn. Please no.
:'(
Not fair for him.
That's terrible news for the big guy if true, he looked good this season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-31/relief-for-hobbled-gawn
Looks like a meniscus tear is 6-8 weeks from some quick googling. That's a relief - although still saddening after seeing how excited he was to come back earlier than the other boys and finally get a full preseason in.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 31, 2014, 03:47:59 PM
Looks like a meniscus tear is 6-8 weeks from some quick googling. That's a relief - although still saddening after seeing how excited he was to come back earlier than the other boys and finally get a full preseason in.
it's supposed to be, but it can flower you up longer than that.
Think he'd be disappointed he got injured, but he would be celebrating all the same :D
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 31, 2014, 08:59:07 PM
Think he'd be disappointed he got injured, but he would be celebrating all the same :D
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/melbourne-demons-confirm-young-ruckman-max-gawn-will-miss-entire-2012-afl-season-due-to-injury/story-e6frf3e3-1226224724290 (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/melbourne-demons-confirm-young-ruckman-max-gawn-will-miss-entire-2012-afl-season-due-to-injury/story-e6frf3e3-1226224724290)
Probably won't be any celebrating for a while after what happened last time
He looks so much better without the beard :P
But yeah, wouldn't have been a pleasant day for him today.
Nice picture by the way - he deserves some love after the year he's had. So damn consistent that you forget how good he is, which probably makes him one of the most underrated players in the comp. 1st for effective disposals, 2nd for total disposals, 4th for clearances, 14th for contested possessions and 15th for tackles
So who do the Dees delist?
Quote from: Big Mac on August 31, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
Nice picture by the way - he deserves some love after the year he's had. So damn consistent that you forget how good he is, which probably makes him one of the most underrated players in the comp. 1st for effective disposals, 2nd for total disposals, 4th for clearances, 14th for contested possessions and 15th for tackles
Thanks, and he certainly does. I even could be guilty of underrating him; I admit I was very surprised to see how well he fares in some stats when I looked him up a few days ago.
4th in clearances is the worst clearance side of the comp I think? Or are we second worst? Absolute gun.
Quote from: tabs on August 31, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
So who do the Dees delist?
Blease, Strauss, Tapscott, Nicholson, Evans, just off the top of my head.
I really wanted Terlich on that list, but not to be... but Mac made the good point of the potential case of melbourne delisting too many players at once.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: tabs on August 31, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
So who do the Dees delist?
Blease, Strauss, Tapscott, Nicholson, Evans, just off the top of my head.
I really wanted Terlich on that list, but not to be... but Mac made the good point of the potential case of melbourne delisting too many players at once.
So along with Frawley and maybe Watts there will be a massive cleanout then.
Will be interesting as Roos didnt really build up the Swans list he added to it. Will be interesting to see how he build the team
Watts gets ridiculously too much criticism, and I'm really sick of defending him.
I really do doubt he will be traded.
Quote from: tabs on September 01, 2014, 12:01:39 PM
Will be interesting as Roos didnt really build up the Swans list he added to it. Will be interesting to see how he build the team
Very. I reckon when Frawley leaves, it is an extremely high chance Pick 3 will be traded. So that will be exciting to see.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/melbourne/news/2014-09-02/nicholson-clisby-depart-demons
MELBOURNE has delisted duo Daniel Nicholson and Mitch Clisby
The most interesting part of that article is that it says we have made 3 list changes (Nicholson, Clisby and Byrnes), but it doesn't mention Clark...
Quote from: Big Mac on September 02, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
The most interesting part of that article is that it says we have made 3 list changes (Nicholson, Clisby and Byrnes), but it doesn't mention Clark...
A chance to come out of retirement?
wonder if Clisby is a chance to get drafted
he looked ok in the games he played last year
Fairly surprised about Clisby really.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 02, 2014, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on September 02, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
The most interesting part of that article is that it says we have made 3 list changes (Nicholson, Clisby and Byrnes), but it doesn't mention Clark...
A chance to come out of retirement?
There is a rumour circulating that he will decide in the next few weeks - but it's good to know that he is still on our list
I didn't think it was possible for Roos to dislike Terlich any more than he already did. And then...
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 02, 2014, 07:24:59 PM
I didn't think it was possible for Roos to dislike Terlich any more than he already did. And then...
Which is why i was especially surprised when Terlich was re-signed a week or 2 ago
Just hanging around so the Dees have somebody to delist next year. :P
Nathan Jones:
Ranked 1st in Total Effective Disposals
Ranked 2nd in Total Disposals
Ranked 3rd in Total Clearances
Ranked 14th in Total Kicks
Ranked 15th in Total Tackles
Ranked 8th in Total Handballs
Ranked 9th in Total Supercoach Score
Ranked 10th in Total AFL Fantasy Score
Ranked 14th in Total Contested Possessions
Ranked 14th in Total Uncontested Possessions
No AA selection makes me sad :(
Nicholson :( Not exactly sure why I traded that bloke into my WXV side... :-[
Quote from: roo boys! on September 04, 2014, 07:56:17 AM
Nicholson :( Not exactly sure why I traded that bloke into my WXV side... :-[
Traded him out of my BXVs side, ripper move. ;D
B & F tonight, think it will be very close between Nate and Dom, but gonna give Nate the nod with a more consistent season.
My top 5:
Jones
Tyson
Dunn
Vince
Howe
If Jetta played more matches, he'd be there too.
Almost exactly the same as I would have it - I'd probably have Jetta in 5th over Howe
Jones wins his third 8)
Just a gun. Very deserving win!
So it was:
Jones
Tyson
Vince
Dunn
Cross
Is that 3 in a row or total for Jones? Such a consistent performer
Quote from: Ricochet on September 05, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
Is that 3 in a row or total for Jones? Such a consistent performer
Both! Only Jim Stynes has won 3 consecutive, and only him and La Fontane have won 4 best & fairests for melbourne.
He could take the record, only 26!
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 09:31:58 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 05, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
Is that 3 in a row or total for Jones? Such a consistent performer
Both! Only Jim Stynes has won 3 consecutive, and only him and La Fontane have won 4 best & fairests for melbourne.
He could take the record, only 26!
Far out thats ridiculous. He certainly could do!
Dom Tyson, what a gun!
How close were the votes?
Jones - 311
Tyson - 293
Vince - 270
Dunn - 264 (after leading after Round 17)
Cross - 238 (if he didn't get injured and played those 5 matches, he really could have won)
3 of your recruits this yeart in the top 5 is a great sign (even if Cross is old)
My man Dunn 8)
I wonder if anyone still thinks trading away Josh Kelly was still a bad idea ::)
Quote from: My Chumps on September 05, 2014, 12:36:16 PM
I wonder if anyone still thinks trading away Josh Kelly was still a bad idea ::)
I always thought that trade was pretty win-win tbh. Tyson was walking anyway and GWS got reasonable compensation for it.
"Paul Roos met Heritier Lumumba at a Melbourne cafe to discuss a potential trade but Lumumba stormed out of the meeting after Roos chose to order poached eggs after he was told they were not free range."
That's gold Mr C
Oh dear Lord, that's brilliant.
Lol gave me a chuckle. ;D
probably a true story
;D
hahaha Good one Craig
Lol ;D
Haha rippa
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-07/clark-may-return-to-footy (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-07/clark-may-return-to-footy)
Yay for Mitch... but feel a bit cheated :-\
No problems if he wants to go back to WA - I will be completely understanding of his situation. Anywhere else though and...well...I don't even know
as i posted in the WXV's thread to purps in regards to clark
biggest load of crap if he returns
he should be made to pay back the payout he got from the dees
as even if they trade him the WA teams will lowball the dees on account of his "fragile" state of mind
i have no problem him wanting to go to WA but he should not get a payout then flip to another team
as i also wrote
yeah but also one of his reasons he reckons he couldn't go on was being on big money and feeling like he was letting the team down?
yeah retiring and taking money then coming back for another team is doing the opposite?
piss poor effort from him
twice his spoken complete crap when leaving brissy wanting to go home but didn't and now this
some character flaws scream out for sure
Freo will get him
This post was made earlier today by an incredibly respected and reliable poster on Demonland.
"MFC Blindsided"
As many of you know, I have excellent contacts in the MFC at administration and board level. Over recent years despite the roll over of staff I have been able to maintain these contacts and often share some of what I am hearing with my fellow heavy hearted Dees members via this forum. After the weekends revelations I did not want to make comment on the MC situation until I had made the contact with my sources. This what I have been told.
- The decision to retire from AFL was always with MC health in mind. In reality it was always a break that may have become permanent rather than a retirement. MC always (even at the time of retirement) maintained ambitions to play again, play for the MFC and repay the MFC and its faithful for its investment and support. The decision to retire was ONLY to give MC the best chance of recovery by taking all pressure off him. The full process of playing in 2015 were set out in the retirement discussions. MC only ever expressed complete desire and loyalty to the MFC. As such MFC continued to support MC in the ABSOUTE belief that if fit he would play for MFC. Essentially the ball was left with MC. MC has been in regular contact with fitness staff and coaches and on a MFC derived fitness plan.
- MCs return to physical and mental health has been fantastic. So much so that up until about 2 weeks ago, the MFC were extremely confident he would be recontracted to play for the MFC in 2015. In fact the confidence I was hearing from within the club was much greater than what I expressed on Demonland. MFC were 100% certain that if MC did play it would be only in red & blue and it seemed the only question would be whether to rookie him or place him on the senior list.
- Approx. two weeks ago MC manager was contacted as to whether MC would attend the Best & Fairest and also to initiate contract discussions. Misson had been training with MC that day and had been excited by MC developing fitness. Contact between the club, MC, and his manager has been ongoing and until this point there had been no hint of dissatisfaction or expressed desire to play for anyone else. It was at this time that MC manager let the MFC know that MC did not wish to play for MFC next year and wanted to play for another Melbourne club.
- The club was completely blindsided. Roos had steam coming out of his ears. I have been told by one of my sources that Roos almost blew a blood vessel.
Is it possible to hold his contract and not let him play anywhere?
Technically if he is contracted they don't have to delist him. They would have to keep a spot on the list for him and pay him his contract, but I assume yes they could if they really wanted to. He would just probably 'retire' again if that was the case and might try and make a comeback the year after.
Hird has met with him apparently
Purps, Big Mac, MTTY et al ... would you guys want Melb to pay 'market value' (whatever that is??) for Frawley to keep him at the Dees??
That's pretty poor if this eventuates. I hope for the club's sake something is worked out :(
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 05:37:19 PM
Hird has met with him apparently
do not want
the only reason he has not been completley smashe din the media as an unloyal mercenary is due to his "mental" state
but even before this he told brisbane he was leaving to go home to WA
and took off to melbourne instead for money and now coming back after taking a payout and all the help melbourne offered him as soon as his getting better he stiffs them too
un loyal who should not be taken into the bombers
dees should feel lucky bad character flaws you don't want the younger kids picking up
and again i will repeat the dees should be asking for the money back if he screws then they should screw him
Daz will legitimately explode if he goes to the Dons :P
Dont want him at the Hawks either.
Will take Carlisle though :P
That would be disappointing if true.
Quote from: elephants on September 08, 2014, 07:22:08 PM
Daz will legitimately explode if he goes to the Dons :P
you know it ;)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 08, 2014, 07:28:01 PM
Dont want him at the Hawks either.
Will take Carlisle though :P
Hands off mate ;)
Can understand the rage at Melbourne, really poor by MC if thats the case. He should of expressed that from the begining that he would not return to the Dee's then leave it up to the Dee's as to how they handled him from there on. Seems he's taken advantage of alot of help with no intention of returning. :(
Really disappointed in MC - Seems he is chasing money. Does not appear to have any values - When he left Brisbane he said he wanted to go home to Perth and then took Melbournes money. lost all credibility with me at that stage.
Looks like we're getting him. Not sure we need him would have preferred Carlisle, Frawley or a clearance midfielder
Quote from: j959 on September 08, 2014, 05:37:34 PM
Purps, Big Mac, MTTY et al ... would you guys want Melb to pay 'market value' (whatever that is??) for Frawley to keep him at the Dees??
450k a year (which is what I think he should get, and that's being kind), then in a heart beat sure.
Would much prefer to keep him than lose him... but Pick 3 would wipe my tears away somewhat.
Is all in Clark's court... only two results, 1) I flowering love you or 2) I don't rate you as a person.
So Clarke retired so does that mean that the Dees wont get anything for him??
Quote from: tabs on September 08, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
So Clarke retired so does that mean that the Dees wont get anything for him??
He is still on our list so we can trade him
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 08, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Looks like we're getting him. Not sure we need him would have preferred Carlisle, Frawley or a clearance midfielder
Saw this on Twitter.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxAlzlCCYAA1kYv.jpg)
Yeah from what I've heard, if he does come back Melbourne can trade him
Clarke wouldn't even get a game in Hawthorns forward line lol
Quote from: quinny88 on September 08, 2014, 11:19:38 PM
Clarke wouldn't even get a game in Hawthorns forward line lol
He could probably do the David Hale role pretty well.
Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2014, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on September 08, 2014, 11:19:38 PM
Clarke wouldn't even get a game in Hawthorns forward line lol
He could probably do the David Hale role pretty well.
Can understand the hate from Melb supporters on MC for saying he wants to stay at MFC and leaving, but not the hate from others/media for him chasing money/wanting to go straight into a successful team. Its the AFL world we live in now with FA. Players have every right to chase the mega bucks or want to fastrack their own premiership chances. And honestly, if playing at a successful club/getting a bigger pay package helps Mitch with his depression, then its good for him. Loyalty still has a place in the AFL, but Mitch had only been at the club for 2 years and played 15 games, so he may not have that connection to the MFC.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 09, 2014, 10:06:19 AM
Its the AFL world we live in now with FA. Players have every right to chase the mega bucks or want to fastrack their own premiership chances.
Pretty much what Spuddy did. Could have gone to GWS and been the face of the club and all, racked up big dollars. But once Sydney offered him that ridiculous deal, he was never gonna say no to another chance at glory sooner rather than later.
Quote from: j959 on September 08, 2014, 05:37:34 PM
Purps, Big Mac, MTTY et al ... would you guys want Melb to pay 'market value' (whatever that is??) for Frawley to keep him at the Dees??
Based on his form the last 2 years, he's worth no more than 500k. If we pay upwards of 550k for him, then no I wouldn't want us to keep him.
Ideally I want him on our list, but as Purple said pick 3 would be sufficient in return.
This was quite a poor comment from Ross Lyong
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-09/freo-no-to-whats-his-name-
I know he didn't take the Freo deal, but sour grapes shouldn't be an issue when it is dealing with depression
Still he biggest problem with Clarke is this he hasnt played for a while due to an injury. Is he over that injury? Can he play? How long can he play for?
He certainly doent have the match fitness and will struggle for a season
Glad the Swans and Giants wont go after him
Attention everybody everywhere (I'm sadly looking at some journo's too)... it's Mitch Clark, there is no e!
Lol, just a pet peeve I have, it's the same as people saying Trengrove instead of Trengove :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Attention everybody everywhere (I'm sadly looking at some journo's too)... it's Mitch Clark, there is no e!
Lol, just a pet peeve I have, it's the same as people saying Trengrove instead of Trengove :P
oh I feel you brother.
apparently we have a guy playing for us named Jack Stevens. funny cos we don't have a Jack Stevens on our list?
Quote from: brad on September 09, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Attention everybody everywhere (I'm sadly looking at some journo's too)... it's Mitch Clark, there is no e!
Lol, just a pet peeve I have, it's the same as people saying Trengrove instead of Trengove :P
oh I feel you brother.
apparently we have a guy playing for us named Jack Stevens. funny cos we don't have a Jack Stevens on our list?
Yes! I was thinking about him when I was writing that too :P
Had an interesting discussion a few years back with a friend who told me he really liked that Shaw player for Brisbane.
I said I didn't think there was a Shaw that played for Brisbane..
Friend was adamant, and told me it was Brad Shaw.
Grumble.
If Ryder ends up at Brisbane, could we be interested in the Berger?
Quote from: Big Mac on September 09, 2014, 10:26:18 PM
If Ryder ends up at Brisbane, could we be interested in the Berger?
As long as he doesn't cost more than a second rounder, and that we don't need that second rounder for Stretch, sure.
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
I'm not really sure why you'd need to though. You've got Jamar for another year and still have Gawn, Fitzy, Spencer and Max King. In a year or two, at least Gawn (seems to be the next best atm after Jamar) will be ahead of him and he's down the pecking order again, assuming that Fitzy and Spencer continue to be serviceable.
Quote from: Nige on September 18, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
I'm not really sure why you'd need to though. You've got Jamar for another year and still have Gawn, Fitzy, Spencer and Max King. In a year or two, at least Gawn (seems to be the next best atm after Jamar) will be ahead of him and he's down the pecking order again, assuming that Fitzy and Spencer continue to be serviceable.
However true, there are concerns about whether really that either Spencer or Gawn is able to beat other ruckman consistently enough to warrant their spot.
I personally think we're fine. But hey, if he came cheap, I wouldn't say no.
would you be interested in Melksham and or Howlett?
i heard Howlett is on the table and probably Melksham also i think both would add some toughness to your side
I'd take Howlett if we didn't re-sign Rohan Bail. But think melbourne are more after people with midfield class than physical presence atm.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
not great for Berlin.
If only you were loaded in Sydney players your team would be insane.
Quote from: Holzman on September 18, 2014, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
not great for Berlin.
If only you were loaded in Sydney players your team would be insane.
I did think of Berlin :P and then Nige's willingness to keep Giles... it would cause problems! :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 18, 2014, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
not great for Berlin.
If only you were loaded in Sydney players your team would be insane.
I did think of Berlin :P and then Nige's willingness to keep Giles... it would cause problems! :P
Nah, you'd just have to give me Petterd or a good forward. ;)
Congrats on the appointment of Goody as your assistant coach, think youve got a good one there no pun intended.
Oh goodness, how I want Dangerfield on this team.
He is EXACTLY what we need IMO. One of the few players I feel that can slow down time when he has the ball. He would be the star mid with genuine class that we have been crying out for since... whoever was our last midfield star (I love you Jones, I think you're elite, but don't think you're a game changing star. But you are the MFC really)
He'd be a big get for you guys.
Not sure what to think about Danger. Of course I would love him and the benefits he would bring to the club before he even plays a game would be massive just from a marketing perspective. But it would cost a considerable amount to get him here (I'm thinking picks 2 and 3?), and that just doesn't seem to be Roosy's way. Would he really 'put all his eggs in the one basket'? Or is it more likely he will aim to get several high quality players rather than just the cream of the crop?
Roos is a big Brayshaw fan, we know that. You'd think Pick 3 would be used to lure somebody else other than Danger to the Dees.
Quote from: Big Mac on September 25, 2014, 04:12:30 PM
Not sure what to think about Danger. Of course I would love him and the benefits he would bring to the club before he even plays a game would be massive just from a marketing perspective. But it would cost a considerable amount to get him here (I'm thinking picks 2 and 3?), and that just doesn't seem to be Roosy's way. Would he really 'put all his eggs in the one basket'? Or is it more likely he will aim to get several high quality players rather than just the cream of the crop?
I did think about the price, and me personally would be against giving both pick 2 and 3. You raise a good point, but I think it's time melbourne did get that absolute star... it would probably boost the players around him. IMO, I would prefer one Dangerfield over say, 3 Lumumba's (i.e. quality players).
And as you say, we need that marketing player.
Do we look at giving Pick 3 + Toumpas? Or persevere with him? I personally think Pick 2 of this year (maybe Christian Petrecca) would be a better choice than Toumpas, so if Adelaide would accept Pick 3 + Toumpas with the alternative being Picks 2 and 3, I'd give up Toumpas.
wait, what?
Is Dangerfield to Melbourne a thing?
Quote from: ossie85 on September 25, 2014, 04:20:23 PM
wait, what?
Is Dangerfield to Melbourne a thing?
Just the latest craze in the rumour mill, probably won't happen. Still, one can dream...
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-09-25/viney-signs-contract-extension (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-09-25/viney-signs-contract-extension)
Excellent :D
I'm thinking that Roos will broker a deal with GC for pick 3 (if we get it) for a player and one of their first rounders (maybe a swap of later picks too). We will then on trade pick 2 and the other pick from GC to Adelaide for Danger (possible swap of later picks again).
This also helps GC by giving them an early pick to try and lure Beams.
Something like this:
Melbourne Gives: Pick 2, Pick 3, Pick 15
Melbourne Receives: Jesse Lonergan (example of a GC player), Patrick Dangerfield
GC Gives: Pick 15, Jesse Lonergan, Pick 3
GC Receives: Dayne Beams, Collingwood 3rd/4th rounder
Adelaide Gives: Patrick Dangerfield
Adelaide Receives: Pick 2, Pick 15
Collingwood Gives: Dayne Beams, 3rd/4th rounder
Collingwood Receives: Pick 3
There would also be some swapping of picks chucked in there. From this it could probably be argued that GC overpays for Beams, so something extra would need to be thrown in by Melbourne i'd say.
Crazy if you think the pies need to give a pick as well for Beams.
Crows would need two top 5 picks to trade Danger imo.
Agree Jay pick 2 and pick 15 wont get it done. Think its a pipe dream Danger to the Dee's.
If Melbourne have to give both Pick 2 and 3 for Danger, then there would be more to the deal. Roos wouldn't give both of them, just for Danger alone.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 26, 2014, 09:15:12 AM
If Melbourne have to give both Pick 2 and 3 for Danger, then there would be more to the deal. Roos wouldn't give both of them, just for Danger alone.
Danger would be worth it
For the Dees, yeah I agree he would definitely be worth it. Just the kind of player you guys need to recruit
Danger might be worth Picks 2 & 3, but it wouldn't be worth it for the Dees to give up that much. Danger would be great for them, but in their situation they need to keep at least one of those picks to draft a young gun IMO.
Its almost a literal bird in the hand, two in the bush scenario
I still think Pick 3 + Toumpas for Danger, then use Pick 2 in either another trade or draft Brayshaw or Petrecca.
ok this what you do
trade pick 3 to Collingwood for Lamumba and pick 9
trade pick 2 and pick 9 for Danger
so Dees get Danger and Lamumba for picks 2 and 3
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 26, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
ok this what you do
trade pick 3 to Collingwood for Lamumba and pick 9
trade pick 2 and pick 9 for Danger
so Dees get Danger and Lamumba for picks 2 and 3
I don't mind this actually.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 27, 2014, 09:55:22 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 26, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
ok this what you do
trade pick 3 to Collingwood for Lamumba and pick 9
trade pick 2 and pick 9 for Danger
so Dees get Danger and Lamumba for picks 2 and 3
I don't mind this actually.
No way Crows do that
Quote from: MTTY on September 25, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
I'm thinking that Roos will broker a deal with GC for pick 3 (if we get it) for a player and one of their first rounders (maybe a swap of later picks too). We will then on trade pick 2 and the other pick from GC to Adelaide for Danger (possible swap of later picks again).
This also helps GC by giving them an early pick to try and lure Beams.
Something like this:
Melbourne Gives: Pick 2, Pick 3, Pick 15
Melbourne Receives: Jesse Lonergan (example of a GC player), Patrick Dangerfield
GC Gives: Pick 15, Jesse Lonergan, Pick 3
GC Receives: Dayne Beams, Collingwood 3rd/4th rounder
Adelaide Gives: Patrick Dangerfield
Adelaide Receives: Pick 2, Pick 15
Collingwood Gives: Dayne Beams, 3rd/4th rounder
Collingwood Receives: Pick 3
There would also be some swapping of picks chucked in there. From this it could probably be argued that GC overpays for Beams, so something extra would need to be thrown in by Melbourne i'd say.
I dont get this why is Collingwood trading Beams + 3rd rounder for pick 3. Yet GC giving up 15 3 and lonergan just for Beams anf the 4th rounder, shouldnt it cost them just pick 3.
Quote from: Holzman on September 27, 2014, 07:46:02 PM
Quote from: MTTY on September 25, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
I'm thinking that Roos will broker a deal with GC for pick 3 (if we get it) for a player and one of their first rounders (maybe a swap of later picks too). We will then on trade pick 2 and the other pick from GC to Adelaide for Danger (possible swap of later picks again).
This also helps GC by giving them an early pick to try and lure Beams.
Something like this:
Melbourne Gives: Pick 2, Pick 3, Pick 15
Melbourne Receives: Jesse Lonergan (example of a GC player), Patrick Dangerfield
GC Gives: Pick 15, Jesse Lonergan, Pick 3
GC Receives: Dayne Beams, Collingwood 3rd/4th rounder
Adelaide Gives: Patrick Dangerfield
Adelaide Receives: Pick 2, Pick 15
Collingwood Gives: Dayne Beams, 3rd/4th rounder
Collingwood Receives: Pick 3
There would also be some swapping of picks chucked in there. From this it could probably be argued that GC overpays for Beams, so something extra would need to be thrown in by Melbourne i'd say.
I dont get this why is Collingwood trading Beams + 3rd rounder for pick 3. Yet GC giving up 15 3 and lonergan just for Beams anf the 4th rounder, shouldnt it cost them just pick 3.
Yeah it's just my way of showing that it's being on traded by GC, but yeah probably just should have done overall gains and losses from the start to the end of the deals.
Won't happen anyway, Beams is coming to Brisbane.
Quote from: nrich102 on September 28, 2014, 12:46:59 PM
Won't happen anyway, Beams is coming to Brisbane.
so he can make it harder for his brother to get a game?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 28, 2014, 05:42:46 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 28, 2014, 12:46:59 PM
Won't happen anyway, Beams is coming to Brisbane.
so he can make it harder for his brother to get a game?
pretty much :P
Gold Coast have withdrawn from the race for Beams so you may have to rework MTTY
this may have already been covered but do you guys think the Dees fans will boo Mitch Clark?
Mitch Clark going to the cats
Quote from: brad on September 30, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
this may have already been covered but do you guys think the Dees fans will boo Mitch Clark?
Definitely. Majority of fans boo the majority of players who previously played with their club. It's just the way AFL is. Doesn't necessarily mean you dislike that player or hold it against them for leaving (although obviously there are instances where this is the case).
And when it happens, there will be people who say "oh, that's inconsiderate and uncalled because he had depression", but it has nothing to do with it.
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 30, 2014, 02:49:35 PM
Quote from: brad on September 30, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
this may have already been covered but do you guys think the Dees fans will boo Mitch Clark?
Definitely. Majority of fans boo the majority of players who previously played with their club. It's just the way AFL is. Doesn't necessarily mean you dislike that player or hold it against them for leaving (although obviously there are instances where this is the case).
And when it happens, there will be people who say "oh, that's inconsiderate and uncalled because he had depression", but it has nothing to do with it.
yep right with you
kyle you get upset when people boo NROO lol
Clark pretty much dogged the club, he will booed for sure. But even if he didn't, he would be booed anyway. Like Rusty said, comes with moving clubs.
Quote from: kilbluff1885 on September 30, 2014, 02:52:47 PM
kyle you get upset when people boo NROO lol
haha you don't boo champions. they boo him for no reason. plus he's never left his club for money or anything like that. one of the most loyal players in the AFL
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time
Hope he gets booed, not gonna lie. Don't like seeing bottom clubs get flowered even more..
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 30, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time
If the Demons booed every person that did that, the world would explode... (Tom Scully, Chris Connolly, Cameron Schwab, Mark Neeld, Dean Bailey, Jack Watts.....)
Quote from: ossie85 on September 30, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 30, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time
If the Demons booed every person that did that, the world would explode... (Tom Scully, Chris Connolly, Cameron Schwab, Mark Neeld, Dean Bailey, Jack Watts.....)
haha harsh, but i laughed
Quote from: ossie85 on September 30, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 30, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time
If the Demons booed every person that did that, the world would explode... (Tom Scully, Chris Connolly, Cameron Schwab, Mark Neeld, Dean Bailey, Jack Watts.....)
Well I mean only two of those are players, Not sure they'll get on to booing Watts yet :P
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 30, 2014, 03:27:21 PM
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.
Surely $cully still trumps....
Quote from: ossie85 on September 30, 2014, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 30, 2014, 03:27:21 PM
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.
Surely $cully still trumps....
Hard to hate spuds bro >:D
But he did lie to Jim Stynes, so he is still a close second.
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.
It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
Quote from: Ziplock on September 30, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.
It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
Reasons not good enough, as I said before when he quit (About the compo only) He's well enough to go back to his job? Why should the Dee's get screwed?
Quote from: Ziplock on September 30, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.
It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
If he didn't want to screw us then he would be starting his preseason at the dees next month. Instead he has essentially taken the millions he was paid, ignored the support and care the mfc showed for him and said 'get flowered'
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 30, 2014, 03:36:48 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 30, 2014, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 30, 2014, 03:27:21 PM
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.
Surely $cully still trumps....
Hard to hate spuds bro >:D
But he did lie to Jim Stynes, so he is still a close second.
My clear first due to that.
Quote from: tbagrocks on September 30, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 30, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.
It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
Reasons not good enough, as I said before when he quit (About the compo only) He's well enough to go back to his job? Why should the Dee's get screwed?
Quote from: Big Mac on September 30, 2014, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 30, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.
It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
If he didn't want to screw us then he would be starting his preseason at the dees next month. Instead he has essentially taken the millions he was paid, ignored the support and care the mfc showed for him and said 'get flowered'
Yeah, on reflection, I think you guys are kind of right. He should at least have gone and seen his contract out- unless he feels like he needs a fresh start because of whatever reason, or there was some behind the scenes stuff that wasn't too supportive, it does seem like a dick move.
the real question is, did he get paid out the remainder of his contract when he retired? If he did, then he screwed melbourne over just based on that. If he didn't, well, melbourne cut him loose when he was flowered up and they would have known the risks that entailed.
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.
Quote from: Vinny on October 01, 2014, 12:52:15 AM
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.
I don't think they did, or it definitely would have been mentioned by now.
Quote from: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 01:33:17 AM
Quote from: Vinny on October 01, 2014, 12:52:15 AM
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.
I don't think they did, or it definitely would have been mentioned by now.
They did to a certain degree, the entire details weren't released though
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 01, 2014, 02:02:48 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 01:33:17 AM
Quote from: Vinny on October 01, 2014, 12:52:15 AM
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.
I don't think they did, or it definitely would have been mentioned by now.
They did to a certain degree, the entire details weren't released though
I think they would have paid out his contract for the 2014 season... I feel like if they'd given anything beyond that it would have come to light by now.
We gave him some sort of pay out for 2014, not for 2015
just thought of this. Maybe a trigger for his depression was a part of the MFC. Like he may not fit in with the boys. Or he was bullied by a player, coach, employee, etc. Or he's had a run in with Roos or another person at the club in the past.
Have to admit I jumped on him pretty quickly as a money chaser, especially when he didn't come home from Brissie. But can't really judge when severe depression is involved because we simply don't know the full facts
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-01/dees-target-defenders
With Frawley departing Melbourne have set sights on Dan Merrett and Sam Frost. We will take Frawleys compensation pick for Merrett should be fair.
Oh lord, how I don't want Merrett. I don't want him, so very much.
Like him as a defender Purps but definitely not a forward.
Don't really understand Melbourne thinking we need to fill Frawley's void in the defence, he barely played there the whole year! TMac, Garlo (with a pre-season), Dunn, Jetta, Howe and Grimes did just fine. And as for his forward influence, there is a guy called Jesse Hogan coming up...
Mainly Merrett's age is my deterrent, but if he came at a 4th round pick (yes, that is cheap), then why not I guess.
Frost could be a good move.
lol at the idea of wanting pick 3 for Merrett yes they may be similar players but Frawley is much younger
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2014, 09:13:44 AM
just thought of this. Maybe a trigger for his depression was a part of the MFC. Like he may not fit in with the boys. Or he was bullied by a player, coach, employee, etc. Or he's had a run in with Roos or another person at the club in the past.
Have to admit I jumped on him pretty quickly as a money chaser, especially when he didn't come home from Brissie. But can't really judge when severe depression is involved because we simply don't know the full facts
The story they've given us just doesn't add up. When he was playing he was the most passionate player out there. He put his body and heart on the line for the team. He was the reason you would go to games when you knew you didn't have a chance to win. There was no indication of him having any struggles at the club.
All along they have said that his injuries were the root of his depression. He felt guilty that he couldn't do his part for the club and actually give something back. Now he can though - but his mind is so fragile that he can't even be near the MFC, while still being able to play at the same level? It doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2014, 09:13:44 AM
just thought of this. Maybe a trigger for his depression was a part of the MFC. Like he may not fit in with the boys. Or he was bullied by a player, coach, employee, etc. Or he's had a run in with Roos or another person at the club in the past.
Have to admit I jumped on him pretty quickly as a money chaser, especially when he didn't come home from Brissie. But can't really judge when severe depression is involved because we simply don't know the full facts
The story they've given us just doesn't add up. When he was playing he was the most passionate player out there. He put his body and heart on the line for the team. He was the reason you would go to games when you knew you didn't have a chance to win. There was no indication of him having any struggles at the club.
All along they have said that his injuries were the root of his depression. He felt guilty that he couldn't do his part for the club and actually give something back. Now he can though - but his mind is so fragile that he can't even be near the MFC, while still being able to play at the same level? It doesn't make sense.
Yeh i know man its certainly not clear at all. Just thinking that a fair bit has changed since he was playing regularly which has steered him away and that we don't know the truth, and probably won't ever know.
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now >:(
It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 03:42:29 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now >:(
It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol
Did Dawes ever play with Clark?
Quote from: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 03:44:06 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 03:42:29 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now >:(
It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol
Did Dawes ever play with Clark?
Nope :-[
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 03:44:06 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 03:42:29 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now >:(
It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol
Did Dawes ever play with Clark?
Nope :-[
Oh well - He will get to play with someone even better next year
Quote from: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 03:44:06 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 03:42:29 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now >:(
It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol
Did Dawes ever play with Clark?
Nope :-[
Oh well - He will get to play with someone even better next year
Jesse Hogan ;)
I remember reading a few days ago that Roos would be leaving half way through trade period to take a holiday. Can't remember where I read it though - anyone heard similar?
Quote from: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
I remember reading a few days ago that Roos would be leaving half way through trade period to take a holiday. Can't remember where I read it though - anyone heard similar?
I remember that too... seems an odd thing to do. Unless we should be done by then?
So the bookends have now left, of course we are going to improve now...
Yeh it is pretty odd - Roos is the kind of coach who is very straightforward with his trading and puts the best deal on the table straight up without any bs. But can he rely on the other coaches to do the same?
I just really want Danger. Even if it's for both pick 2 and 3. It would just make me so happy lol
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 02, 2014, 09:43:16 AM
I just really want Danger. Even if it's for both pick 2 and 3. It would just make me so happy lol
I would kill for a star player as well - I know it would get me to more games
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 02, 2014, 09:43:16 AM
I just really want Danger. Even if it's for both pick 2 and 3. It would just make me so happy lol
I reckon its a good deal if the Crows feel Danger is going at the end of 2015, after then his value is pretty small.
I like the Demons but I just can't help but ask, after seeing this player's salary
Why is Chris Dawes paid $500k a season to be shower at football?
haha Boak & Dangerfield only make $600k each & Monfries makes $400k a season
(yet Monfries scored more goals with less games and sustained injury and even when Dawes was in Collingwood -premiership year- with plenty of supply he only scored 30 in 20, conversely, that's only a slightly above average season for Monfries (just)
Surely they could be spending that money on someone better (could cover 83% of Danger's salary if he was willing to transfer for the same salary)
I'm yet to see how Dawes is shower at football personally, but I can kinda see what you mean. Overpay? Probably. Vital to melbourne's team? Of course. Dawes can't be blamed entirely for his wavering form, he is playing for the worst offensive team of the year. Although he has frustrated me at times for not doing a little more, I'm very glad he is playing for us.
While im surprised if Dawes is on that much I think you're underestimating what he brought to this footy club, apart from kicking goals. From the few interviews I've seen about him, his leadership and strength to not accept mediocrity would be pretty vital alone
Yeah, I think the stuff directed at Dawes is a bit unfair. He's not really that bad. He's probably yet to really be a star of the club (I think reckon he's perfectly capable of it and him alongside Jesse Hogan could be amazing), but he seems like he's still really been a fantastic recruit even if he's not the most gifted or consistent footballer.
You do have to pay a fair bit extra to get players to weaker clubs but imo he's been worth it. Just watching him on the field directing teammates and giving advice shows you how important he is. Also would be unfair to judge him based on stats given the ball flies over his head half the time and the other half he has to fight off two players.
I guess I need to watch him since his move. I've only seen him play for the Magpies (I watched a lot of their games before their fall to barrack against them, and during their fall, to barrack against them). Yeah I guess he must have had something more to offer, because the Pies didn't trade him or delist him, he requested the trade because he wasn't happy.
I think he'll always be the brunt of the joke within the fantasy football community because he's a dt tease. Every season he comes later than the other players and is a significantly cheaper option than a premium upgrade, he opens up with a few 100's, so naturally you trade him in. Then he burns you hahahaha. Happened to me in 2009 & happened to a few people this season. Between 2010-12 there were times where he almost lured me back in. However, I'd learned since then haha but that's why I think he is subjected to denigration on forums
When Hogan's up and about and playing with him he shouldn't get as much attention (which was kinda the idea of Dawes, Clark and Hogan lining up together).
Quote from: Nige on October 05, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
When Hogan's up and about and playing with him he shouldn't get as much attention (which was kinda the idea of Dawes, Clark and Hogan lining up together).
What Clark did was disrespectful imo. Melbourne paid a lot for him, hopefully their compensation was a first round pick because they really deserve it. I think it is fair enough Clark retire because clinical depression, but one can't help but be cynical when, only 6 months later, they state they want to return to the AFL for any club but the Demons. I've found myself questioning whether it was just a ploy for him to leave. I know it was almost definitely a severe mental health issue, but if that's the case he is returning far to early. I think Ross Lyon handled the whole incident best tbh
Billy Stretch for pick 39 :)
:D
Dees get 3.
Yep, it's on the AFL live feed:
5.24pm: BREAKING: Pick 3 compensation for James Frawley. Due to Hawthorn contract amount offer and player's age.
Firstly, Stretch at 39 is a bargain
Secondly, pick 2 & 3 is fantastic (I originally thought they had 2 & 3 and Frawley come intervene making it picks 2, 3, & 4)
surely everyone knew a long time ago Dees would get pick 3 ???
Quote from: brad on October 06, 2014, 06:45:22 PM
surely everyone knew a long time ago Dees would get pick 3 ???
Yes, they did.
But a lot were just not wanting to believe it or against it.
Looks like Jeff Garlett going to be a Demon soon
So that's Garlett, O'Brien and Pick 3, with the major loss of Frawley
Could be worse.
Quote from: ossie85 on October 07, 2014, 02:14:42 PM
Looks like Jeff Garlett going to be a Demon soon
So that's Garlett, O'Brien and Pick 3, with the major loss of Frawley
Could be worse.
Well it's looks worse like this:
Clark, Frawley + (4th round pick?)
FOR
Garlett, Lumumba + Pick 3
Still think the structural loss here is huge.
The whole Clark situation is still bullshower
Quote from: Toga on October 07, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
The whole Clark situation is still bullshower
^ awn it.
Happy with Garlett - Kent can't play the small forward role consistently and JKH needs much more development. Also creates competition for spots
What do you guys think you would give up for Garlett?
Quote from: Vinny on October 08, 2014, 05:30:17 PM
What do you guys think you would give up for Garlett?
Would have to be a fourth-rounder wouldn't it? Our 3rd rounder is dedicated to Stretch and our second rounder would be too high. Unless you have your eye on a player?
I was thinking Pick 61, but it does seem a touch low...
Will happily give you Sam Blease or James Strauss as well?
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P
Quote from: nrich102 on October 08, 2014, 07:17:07 PM
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P
And people thought me stupid mid-season when I said Blease would get delisted :P in fact they questioned whether I supported the dees ::)
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 08, 2014, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on October 08, 2014, 07:17:07 PM
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P
And people thought me stupid mid-season when I said Blease would get delisted :P in fact they questioned whether I supported the dees ::)
Haha. Spuds!
61 is too low, but a second rounder is too high, I think that Blease/Strauss should be part of the deal.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 08, 2014, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on October 08, 2014, 07:17:07 PM
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P
And people thought me stupid mid-season when I said Blease would get delisted :P in fact they questioned whether I supported the dees ::)
You sure that wasn't just PB having a laugh? :P
Quote from: Vinny on October 08, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.
How about Pick 21 for Garlett + 45? Might work if we can land Sam Frost with that pick
Ideal situation for you guys would be upgrading from 7 to 3 but you would need to offer more than Garlett for that
Quote from: Vinny on October 08, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.
I definitely agree. It's just Carlton did the brave move of saying we'll trade Garlett/Robinson or delist them, big market value killer :-\
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 08, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 08, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.
I definitely agree. It's just Carlton did the brave move of saying we'll trade Garlett/Robinson or delist them, big market value killer :-\
Yeh was thinking the same thing.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 08, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 08, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.
I definitely agree. It's just Carlton did the brave move of saying we'll trade Garlett/Robinson or delist them, big market value killer :-\
Agree with this ^
61 is too low but Carlton didn't do their value any good by saying that
Pick 7 + Garlett + Robinson
For pick 3
Would be a good trade for Melbourne might need to give Carlton a 3rd rounder to even it out slightly
A win win for both clubs gives Carlton a better choice of a tall they might want
Demons give up 61 and 79 to get Garlett and pick 83
Nicely done Melbourne.
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Melbourne have done very well here :D one of the most dangerous small forwards from 2011-2013, and we get him with a fourth rounder.
Absolutely stoked!
I think this is more good news boys.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-09/demons-content-with-picks-two-and-three
Looks like you're keeping two and three.
Means Brayshaw is definitely yours. I wonder who you guys will grab with 3... McCartin or Wright?
Will be interesting... Imagine a fwd line of McCartin and Hogan in five years time! ;)
Quote from: Toga on October 09, 2014, 06:27:38 PM
Will be interesting... Imagine a fwd line of McCartin and Hogan in five years time! ;)
And my man Kris Doors.
Roos has stated several times that he prefers to recruit KPFs from other clubs - Apparently special TAC rules make it much harder to judge them. Doubt we will take McCartin/Wright and i'm pretty sure he's already said we won't. I wonder who we would take though?
Surely the saints will be draft a key forward with pick 1 instead of going Petrecca? They need someone to help Nroo?
Oh wait... Membrey. Damn.
Nah I don't think Roos will get a KPP either. Pretty sure he's not keen to get more longer-term options and try to limit the rebuild period. Which is just one of the reasons I love this man.
That will make it interesting though, as apart from Petracca, Heeney and Brayshaw there aren't any other real standouts!
Also, I still think we'll trade one of them. Melbourne announced something like this this time last year with Pick 2 yeah? I reckon it's just a strategy, a message to rival clubs that melbourne aren't forcing themselves to trade one of these picks, and will encourage serious offers.
Still early days in the trade period. My tip is that Pick 3 will be involved in another Tyson-esque deal.
Quote from: Big Mac on October 09, 2014, 06:33:53 PM
Roos has stated several times that he prefers to recruit KPFs from other clubs - Apparently special TAC rules make it much harder to judge them. Doubt we will take McCartin/Wright and i'm pretty sure he's already said we won't. I wonder who we would take though?
It's probably going to be a Bontempelli style situation where the Dees see somebody they like that could/should go a bit later than 3 but at the same time getting them with it is justified.
Quote from: Toga on October 09, 2014, 06:47:55 PM
That will make it interesting though, as apart from Petracca, Heeney and Brayshaw there aren't any other real standouts!
Another reason to trade Pick 3 :P
Devastating :'(
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-14/trengove-reaggravates-navicular-injury (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-14/trengove-reaggravates-navicular-injury)
But I finally see the reason why we might have traded him ::) Good to hear he is sticking around though, even if we might only see him in 2016 :-\
:( Wonder if Richmond discovered the problem
Sounds like it did come up in the medical they did with Jack at Richmond :(
Really harsh news for him but sounds like he's in pretty good spirits about it and thinks he can come through it all, all the best to him
GWS has just traded Sam Frost, picks 40 & 53 to Melbourne for its pick 23
You know how they were saying on Bigfooty (I think) that Josh Kennedy was gonna come to Melbourne?
Well, it happened! (http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/soccer/josh-kennedy-to-join-melbourne-city-20141106-11hxh9.html)
Josh Kennedy to Melbourne! Far out, did not see that coming. :o
Wow that's amazing! Just have to wait until his contract finishes in December 8) 8)
*slow clap*
lol well played
Well ya got me. :P
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/melbourne/news/2014-12-01/grimes-steps-down-as-cocaptain
MELBOURNE's Jack Grimes has stepped down as Co-Captain of the Club. Grimes informed his teammates of his decision at the Club on Monday afternoon.
Good decision - Was made captain too early on and now needs to focus on how he plays and improving that
I still love ya Jack, I still think you're capable of doing it, but no shame in stepping down to focus on your game, which is more important.
Nathan Jones is the guy I picture when I think of my Dees, so it makes sense that he would be the sole captain of the club, should the dees opt for it.
Brayshaw will be the next one
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 01, 2014, 05:34:52 PM
Brayshaw will be the next one
He will have to get in line behind Viney
Melbourne has also handed out their jumper numbers to their newest recruits.
Angus Brayshaw - #10
Christian Petracca - #26
Oscar McDonald - #28
Alex Neal-Bullen - #30
Aaron Vandenberg - #37
Mitchell White - #41
I think it's safe to say Brayshaw (by reports) is the complete opposite to certain top 5 draft that used to wear number 10...
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 04, 2014, 03:48:25 PM
I think it's safe to say Brayshaw (by reports) is the complete opposite to certain top 5 draft that used to wear number 10...
#gonebutnotforgotten
Melbourne
B: Neville Jetta, Lynden Dunn, Colin Garland
HB: Heritier Lumumba, Tom McDonald, Jack Watts
C: Jack Viney, Bernie Vince, Daniel Cross
HF: Jeremy Howe, Cameron Pedersen, Dean Kent
F: Christian Salem, Jesse Hogan, Jeff Garlett
R: Mark Jamar, Nathan Jones, Dom Tyson
I/C: Jack Grimes, Viv Michie, Sam Frost
Sub: Angus Brayshaw
New: Heritier Lumumba (Collingwood), Jeff Garlett (Carlton), Sam Frost (Greater Western Sydney)
Unavailable: Chris Dawes (suspended), Jack Trengove (navicular injury)
Comment: Max Gawn is most unlucky to miss the best 22, but he will be ready to pounce if Mark Jamar's form drops. We've preferred Angus Brayshaw to Christian Petracca on nothing more than the fact he looks slightly more prepared to play at this stage. That could change by round one. Viv Michie gets a spot based on excellent form in the last month of the season but there is little doubt you could toss a coin and replace him with Rohan Bail, Aidan Riley, Ben Newton, Jordie McKenzie or Jay Kennedy-Harris. Melbourne's midfield depth has increased although its win tally remained small last year, and the club appears over-reliant on a 19-year-old key forward by the name of Jesse Hogan, who is yet to play a game. - Peter Ryan
Michie over Petracca is laughable
I'd actually have Michie in over Petracca too, at this stage (At least for round 1). Petracca's had a week of training, so it's hard to tell if he'll be ready to go straight into a full AFL game for round 1. Conditioning will be a key factor for him.
My preferred line-up for round 1 at this stage is:
B: Jetta Frost Garland
HB: Lumumba McDonald Dunn
C: Vince Jones Watts
HF: Toumpas Pedersen Kent
F: Howe Hogan Garlett
R: Jamar Viney Tyson
I: Cross Michie Grimes
S: Salem
EMER: Gawn Brayshaw Kennedy-Harris
Toumpas over Brayshaw? wat.
Quote from: Nige on December 06, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Toumpas over Brayshaw? wat.
He's training extremely well at the moment. Added a hard edge (with a haircut/beard to match), is also over his low confidence issues.
Quote from: MTTY on December 06, 2014, 01:26:14 PM
Quote from: Nige on December 06, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Toumpas over Brayshaw? wat.
He's training extremely well at the moment. Added a hard edge (with a haircut/beard to match), is also over his low confidence issues.
Until he makes one skill error then is down in the dumps... but yeah, I'd have him over Brayshaw too.
Only change to MTTY's team, is I'd swap Toumpas and Watts, as I want to see Watts in the forward line personally.
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1
Quote from: quinny88 on December 06, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1
Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it
Quote from: Big Mac on December 07, 2014, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 06, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1
Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it
Obviously they won't be gifted a game but if they get through a good pre season they will play round 1. Would gladly put money on that
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 04, 2014, 03:48:25 PM
I think it's safe to say Brayshaw (by reports) is the complete opposite to certain top 5 draft that used to wear number 10...
My mate used to refer to him as "Future Hall Of Famer Cale Morton".
Quote from: quinny88 on December 07, 2014, 01:06:29 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 07, 2014, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 06, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1
Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it
Obviously they won't be gifted a game but if they get through a good pre season they will play round 1. Would gladly put money on that
I still think Roos will value the experience of Michie or the skills of Salem/Toumpas more
Those who see Frost in the best 22, do you think Dunn will be freed up in more of a rebounding role?
Quote from: Big Mac on December 07, 2014, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 07, 2014, 01:06:29 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 07, 2014, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 06, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1
Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it
Obviously they won't be gifted a game but if they get through a good pre season they will play round 1. Would gladly put money on that
I still think Roos will value the experience of Michie or the skills of Salem/Toumpas more
Those who see Frost in the best 22, do you think Dunn will be freed up in more of a rebounding role?
I think Dunn play's his best footy in a rebounding role, I really rate his kick. I think he was playing that role in that glorious month where he came in the All-Aus calculations briefly?
Although he seems to be able to do it, I never really picture him being a one-on-one defender.
I'll still stick with my team as above. Both Petracca and Brayshaw have deficiencies that will need to be improved this pre-season before they play an unsub game. If they are able to address them then yes, they very well could be in the team, however I think they'll both start the year in VFL. Petracca really needs to improve his tank before he earns his debut.
I reckon Dunn will shift to a rebounding role, and possibly go up as a third man in contests. I prefer him in a rebounding role especially given his kick
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Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Obviously.
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL ::)
Quote from: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL ::)
and melbourne have been prime at drafting high draft picks who can make an immediate afl impact :P
Yeah I wouldn't actually be surprised if they held them back just to avoid the unwanted pressure and hype on them.
Quote from: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL ::)
Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.
If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.
Quote from: Noz on December 09, 2014, 12:02:15 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL ::)
Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.
If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.
Agree with Noz (sounds weird saying that) but Melbourne have been accused of throwing kids in the deep end and seeing them as saviours of the club and it's failed on every occasion so they may make a deliberate point to take it extra slow with them.
Still would be shocked if they don't both play round 1 but could understand the reasoning behind not playing them straight away
Quote from: Noz on December 09, 2014, 12:02:15 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL ::)
Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.
If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.
100% man I was agreeing with you. Everyone knows that if you can play well against other 18 year olds, you will have an immediate impact in the AFL. If you're drafted in the top 10, you don't even need to train. You're already better than those guys who have had 3 or 4 years in the system.
Melbourne supporters are so used to their high draft picks being flops that they don't want them to play just incase they turn out no good too ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 12:17:15 AM
Quote from: Noz on December 09, 2014, 12:02:15 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL ::)
Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.
If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.
100% man I was agreeing with you. Everyone knows that if you can play well against other 18 year olds, you will have an immediate impact in the AFL. If you're drafted in the top 10, you don't even need to train. You're already better than those guys who have had 3 or 4 years in the system.
If your going to continue this smart remarks then theres no point in even continuing this conversation.
There are half a dozen blokes each yeah in the draft that are ready to go, They don't need 3/4 years in the system to adjust then go go straight from the get go and Petracca and Brayshaw are 2 of those players.
McCartin and Moore might not both be ready for round 1 as it takes key forwards a bit longer to adjust to the AFL system (learning running patterns, adjusting to the way there forward line works, etc)
Petracca, Brayshaw, Duggan, De Goey and Pickett re just some names that can go from round 1 next year. Boekhurst and Maynard are others
Quote from: TeeJay on December 09, 2014, 12:29:34 AM
Melbourne supporters are so used to their high draft picks being flops that they don't want them to play just incase they turn out no good too ;D ;D ;D
maybe they wont play them because they'll be awesome, and they don't want everyone else to go- well, wtf happened with all those other top 5 picks?!?!?!
It's not about them being in the best 22 (which they probably are anyway) it's about getting as many games into them as soon as possible. They are the best young talent in the country. They will learn more in a week in the AFL than they will in 6 weeks running around in the magoos. Melbourne can't afford to sit around and wait to give their star kids a nice little ease into AFL footy like some of the top sides can do. There are no easy games for Melbourne and the sooner they are playing, the closer they will be to becoming consistent afl players and helping to make Melbourne a respectable club again
And are you really talking about guys like Newton and Michie being in the side ahead of them :o
2 guys that make up the numbers. They have played about 10 games between them in 4 years.
You would be out of your mind to play them ahead of Petrecca and Brayshaw. Neeld might have gone with that option but I have faith that Roosey has more sense than that and will get his young guns on the park from round 1.
That's like saying the saints will hold off on Mccartin and play Tom Lee round 1 because he's got more experience
Quote from: TeeJay on December 09, 2014, 09:10:44 AM
And are you really talking about guys like Newton and Michie being in the side ahead of them :o
The reason these two are so hyped and people are talking about them being in the side of Petracca and Brayshaw are because they actually are good enough. They weren't first round draft picks, Newton went at #35, Michie was #44. They worked hard and showed talent, but they originally played for Port and Freo respectively. Newton and Michie (once he got on the park after being dogged by injury for his first two seasons) dominated the SANFL and WAFL respectively, but couldn't break into the midfields to play a lot of games.
Quote from: TeeJay on December 09, 2014, 09:10:44 AM
And are you really talking about guys like Newton and Michie being in the side ahead of them :o
2 guys that make up the numbers. They have played about 10 games between them in 4 years.
You would be out of your mind to play them ahead of Petrecca and Brayshaw. Neeld might have gone with that option but I have faith that Roosey has more sense than that and will get his young guns on the park from round 1.
That's like saying the saints will hold off on Mccartin and play Tom Lee round 1 because he's got more experience
Quote from: TeeJay on December 09, 2014, 09:03:50 AM
It's not about them being in the best 22 (which they probably are anyway) it's about getting as many games into them as soon as possible. They are the best young talent in the country. They will learn more in a week in the AFL than they will in 6 weeks running around in the magoos. Melbourne can't afford to sit around and wait to give their star kids a nice little ease into AFL footy like some of the top sides can do. There are no easy games for Melbourne and the sooner they are playing, the closer they will be to becoming consistent afl players and helping to make Melbourne a respectable club again
Valid points.
I guess I (and melb supporters) just want to see what Newton and Michie can do. They have/had a lot of hype when they came over, I guess Petraccattack and Brayshaw do too.
Newton is a gun.
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh :'(
Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.
Quote from: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 11:56:48 AM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh :'(
Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.
Exactly ^
If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.
They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.
Quote from: MTTY on December 09, 2014, 03:55:27 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 11:56:48 AM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh :'(
Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.
Exactly ^
If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.
They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.
Not bashing Melbourne but they don't need to be best 22 to play. Melbourne are rebuilding. You don't get improvement by playing the same mediocre players just to keep scores respectable. These kids could take a couple of years to technically be in the "best 22 players" but their upside is far greater than most of the team and will only start to really develop once they are playing AFL games as teejay said.
But yes I also agree that they aren't just walk up starts because they were high draft picks.
But really, unless they are arrogant flogs that actually think that then they are going to train hard to put their hand up for round one
yeah as long as they show Roos they can play 2 way footy most likely will play imo but if he thinks they airnt ready the shouldn't rush them and damage there confidence is as simple as that really i back Roos to make the right choice you even have ANB who was seen as AFL ready
Quote from: quinny88 on December 09, 2014, 06:06:02 PM
Quote from: MTTY on December 09, 2014, 03:55:27 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 11:56:48 AM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh :'(
Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.
Exactly ^
If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.
They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.
Not bashing Melbourne but they don't need to be best 22 to play. Melbourne are rebuilding. You don't get improvement by playing the same mediocre players just to keep scores respectable. These kids could take a couple of years to technically be in the "best 22 players" but their upside is far greater than most of the team and will only start to really develop once they are playing AFL games as teejay said.
I think I disagree with you here. Players like Michie, Newton and Toumpas, who the younger guys will be competing with for a spot, aren't just the same old mediocre players. They're all very skilled players who either haven't had a chance at AFL level or have struggled with injury. I can definitely see them playing a key role in Melbourne's future and as part of the team that will be handed over to Goodwin. The new draftees aren't going to be treated differently because they somehow have 'more potential'. They are on the same footing as everyone else in the team, and will be treated as such. They're in the AFL now, all their efforts as a junior are forgotten and they are made to work for their chances. Maybe I overrate the VFL but imo it can be crucial in developing key aspects of a player's game (i.e. working defensively, two-way running etc) and in building their confidence.
Quote from: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 09, 2014, 06:06:02 PM
Quote from: MTTY on December 09, 2014, 03:55:27 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 11:56:48 AM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh :'(
Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.
Exactly ^
If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.
They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.
Not bashing Melbourne but they don't need to be best 22 to play. Melbourne are rebuilding. You don't get improvement by playing the same mediocre players just to keep scores respectable. These kids could take a couple of years to technically be in the "best 22 players" but their upside is far greater than most of the team and will only start to really develop once they are playing AFL games as teejay said.
I think I disagree with you here. Players like Michie, Newton and Toumpas, who the younger guys will be competing with for a spot, aren't just the same old mediocre players. They're all very skilled players who either haven't had a chance at AFL level or have struggled with injury. I can definitely see them playing a key role in Melbourne's future and as part of the team that will be handed over to Goodwin. The new draftees aren't going to be treated differently because they somehow have 'more potential'. They are on the same footing as everyone else in the team, and will be treated as such. They're in the AFL now, all their efforts as a junior are forgotten and they are made to work for their chances. Maybe I overrate the VFL but imo it can be crucial in developing key aspects of a player's game (i.e. working defensively, two-way running etc) and in building their confidence.
I agree with you in part but the bottom line is they are still considered the best young guns in the country this year. They are on an even playing field now but they were still drafted at #2 and #3 for a reason and naturally should be expected to be future stars. Not discrediting your other players but there is still a gap in expectation and there is a reason for that.
Take someone like Ollie Wines for example. I'm sure as an 18 year old he wasn't technically in the "best 22" but Port threw him in right from round 1 of his first year and he went from strength to strength.
I can understand taking time with players that don't have AFL ready bodies or key forwards that will get mauled but 2 midfielders that were earmarked as top draft picks for a couple of years and are both good sizes should be in from round 1.
We don't know what goes on behind the scenes and if the coaches see they have too many deficiencies to work on but I dare say they would be eager learners
Jack Viney, Jimmy Toumpas, Matt Jones, Jack Trengove, Tom Scully, Jay Kennedy-Harris were all high level draft picks taking by Melbourne over previous years that all debuted in round 1.
If you draft a player in the first round and you dont expect him pushing for selection in the 1st game of the season then you have drafted the wrong player.
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?
Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could hope to hear.
But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?
Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.
But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol
Quote from: ossie85 on December 10, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?
Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.
But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol
:P I think it's my desire for him to prove me wrong and not be another failed high draft pick which is behind my support for him haha
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:53:20 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on December 10, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?
Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.
But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol
:P I think it's my desire for him to prove me wrong and not be another failed high draft pick which is behind my support for him haha
I like to think of it as another fail from the development team... Having all these failing high draft picks can't be coincidental....Clearly your old development team was useless.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on December 10, 2014, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:53:20 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on December 10, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?
Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.
But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol
:P I think it's my desire for him to prove me wrong and not be another failed high draft pick which is behind my support for him haha
I like to think of it as another fail from the development team... Having all these failing high draft picks can't be coincidental....Clearly your old development team was useless.
Well, he isn't a fail, not yet anyway.
But yes, the development team is to blame, but thankfully they are all well and truly gone now.
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?
Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could hope to hear.
But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
Yeah I read all of the training reports on Demonland, Purple. Definitely agree re Toumpas. I think last pre-season he started well, but may have picked up a few niggles?? Either way he's in much better shape this pre-season.
Quote from: MTTY on December 10, 2014, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?
Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could hope to hear.
But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
Yeah I read all of the training reports on Demonland, Purple. Definitely agree re Toumpas. I think last pre-season he started well, but may have picked up a few niggles?? Either way he's in much better shape this pre-season.
Yeh I read them as well. I also read the Facebook one sometimes although the guy who writes them can be a bit odd :P I remember reading that Toumpas had an interrupted preseason but can't remember why.
Lumumba also seems to be training really well. Giving a lot of advice to the younger guys and really stepping up as a leader.
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Photo taken personally Mac?
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 12, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
Photo taken personally Mac?
Zoomed in on him from my car actually
Quote from: Big Mac on December 12, 2014, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 12, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
Photo taken personally Mac?
Zoomed in on him from my car actually
Awesome! A touch jealous, I reckon If I lived in Victoria I'd watch a training session here and there haha.
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 12, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on December 12, 2014, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 12, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
Photo taken personally Mac?
Zoomed in on him from my car actually
Awesome! A touch jealous, I reckon If I lived in Victoria I'd watch a training session here and there haha.
Haha I didn't actually take the photo that would be a bit creepy - found it on demonland. I should get down to a training session though
2015 Best and Fairest top 10 predictions
1 - Ben Newton
2 - Nathan Jones
3 - Jesse Hogan
4 - Angus Brayshaw
5 - Christian Petracca
6 - Jack Viney
7 - Dom Tyson
8 - Jeremy Howe
9 - Heritier Lumumba
10 - Aiden Riley
I'll give you $10000000 if Newton finishes higher than Nathan Jones with a comparable amount of games
http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true (http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true)
It's gonna be a while before we see Trenners on the field again
Quote from: Big Mac on December 15, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
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It's gonna be a while before we see Trenners on the field again
:(
That is ridiculous! :o
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-12-16/watts-undertakes-revised-training-program
GROIN pain has forced Melbourne's Jack Watts to undertake a revised program in December, but he is expected to return to full training immediately after the Christmas break.
The club decided to wind back his training loads after the 23-year-old noted some groin pain while training in late November.
Max Gawn has made a good comeback from his knee operation and is resuming full training this week.
The improving ruckman injured his meniscus in the final round of 2014 and underwent post-season surgery.
Midfielder Bernie Vince is expected to join in contact work in January after having shoulder surgery post-season.
Mahoney said Vince was back on the track and gradually participating in more drills.
The club is also taking a cautious pre-Christmas approach with Aidan Riley and Dean Terlich, who have both experienced shin problems, and Jake Spencer who is recovering from a back injury.
Midfielder Jack Trengove is now out of a cast after undergoing surgery to repair a navicular injury in October.
"He has moved into the [moon] boot and he will start doing some light load training," Trengove said.
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 16, 2014, 05:52:56 PM
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha :P
haha its not intentional man! I swear
Quote from: Big Mac on December 15, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true (http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true)
It's gonna be a while before we see Trenners on the field again
Wow some time needed to get that leg ready for footy.
Leg day everyday
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-19/young-dees-knee-relief
MELBOURNE draftee Alex Neal-Bullen has escaped serious knee damage after he was injured in a tackling drill at training on Wednesday.
The 18-year-old, who was selected by the Demons at pick No.40 in last month's NAB AFL Draft, dislocated his patella during the drill and was sent for scans on Friday to determine the extent of the damage.
The scans showed Neal-Bullen had escaped serious injury and the club expects the young midfielder to re-join his teammates at training when they return on January 5.
"Scans today (Friday) showed that there was no serious damage and Alex is due to return to training when all our players return at the beginning of the new year," Demons football manager Josh Mahoney told AFL.com.au.
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 16, 2014, 05:52:56 PM
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha :P
!!!
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 19, 2014, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 16, 2014, 05:52:56 PM
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha :P
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haha sorry mate!
Hogan tweaked his back today :(
Quote from: Big Mac on January 05, 2015, 02:24:58 PM
Hogan tweaked his back today :(
Seems to be minor at least :(
I'm going to start copying in some training session reports from bystanders that are at the ground. So Just remember that these aren't written by me and are all copied from posters at Demonland.com. I thought it would be a good idea for us Demon fanatics that don't visit there to see how the team is progressing and for the others looking at the new Melbourne recruits to see if they will make the cut for their fantasy teams. :)
Here goes; From todays training session.
Hogan only doing running apparently - not in the match simulation that is taking place. (assuming this is due to the issues from Monday)
Watts' arms finally looking bigger, still doing rehab
Jones is umpiring the practice match
Very hot and windy, probably about 50 watching
Match sim - starts from wing stoppage, idea is kick to the far wing and spread
Skills down due to wind (hopefully)
No Roos to be seen
HL looking the goods at bursting through packs
Hogan receiving the ball at FF at the end of the sim
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Injured leaders took all of training this morning. Jones, Trengrove etc ...
Maybe due to "empowerment" and self-driven philosophies, or more likely due to the collective bargaining agreement that can't stop players training if senior coaching staff aren't there.
30 plus degrees for whole session I'd say. Almost 3 hours. As usual, Viney, Cross, and Tyson last to leave the track. As usual, Tom Mc lead them in the 700m 'sprint'.
A lot of wind to the freeway end, which as someone else said, may account for the skill errors. JKH and to a lesser extent Gus, aren't clean often enough.
Like the sessions pre-Xmas, a lot of focus on switching play, and offensive running. 10 minute full ground scratch match also included.
Gus Brayshaw is raw, and I reckon will struggle to get a game for the first half of 2015. His kicking ain't A-grade, and they are also trying to get him used to more contact.
Petracca is on modified with a knee I think, is a massive unit, and will play forward with some rotation through the midfield when the heat is off I'd say.
Bernie might have tweaked his hammy. Watts did laps basically. Hardly saw Hogan.
Nothing much else to say, other than the effort was pretty good on a stinker of a morning.
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Jones and Trengove took training this morning, it was planned, the coaching group turned up about 20 minutes from the end, Roosy told me he forgot to set his alarm (I also asked him at the end if he could get the 3k run on Friday advertised, so supporters can watch if they want to).
Only Vandenberg wasn't there, neither was Dave Misson so couldn't check why.
McKenzie was back and did whole session.
Jones gashed his heel with the fin of his board, drove back so Club Doctor could stitch it up.
Asked Jack Trengove where his scooter was, he was on crutches, told me he got rid of it as he will be back on his feet soon.
Hogan is fine, I asked him, think he is getting sick of it being an issue, said he is just following his program, light day today.
Watts is close to full training, said a week or so.
Petracca just had a bit of an issue with his knee, strapping there as a precaution, did the session without a problem, said he is glad he is handling the running a lot better, got absolutely smashed over that initial vision by his so called friends and family, laughs about it now.
Alex Neal-Bullen is running with no pain in the knee he dislocated.
Other chats from the questions that appear here.
Jayden Hunt hoping to play half back, gives him time and space to use speed and kicking.
Angus Brayshaw reckons his skills were sloppy today, but feels he is improving something each session, did the right thing by praising Daniel Cross for leading the way, he was sitting next to him when I was talking to him, note because there was no extra running today most players rated it either a 6 and a half or 7, Cross said 5.
Spoke to both Matt Jones and Cam Pedersen, both just happy to be getting through the sessions, Matt Jones prefers to be under the radar, Pedo has missed only 1 session and Matt Jones not at all, both said they are both feeling the benefits of the diet.
Spoke to everybody's favourite Fitzy, same hasn't missed a session, the diet is working really well,, feeling the best he has been.
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-you can really see that there are a lot more mids out there with the full ground drills. There just seems to be more guys running and demanding the ball and then delivering. It was good to watch Salem, toumpas, Tyson, viney running and demanding, even harmes and hunt.
-garlett moved smoothly and is a very good kick, especially to someone leading straight at him.
-Lumumba is in everything and seems to get the ball multiple times in every drill. Has great agility and speed off the mark. Also has very fast hands which I haven't really noticed before.
-some easy marks were dropped when some players were on their own. Dawes dropped a chest mark under pressure which should have been hands out. i find this very frustrating. to his credit he used his hands for the rest of the session.
-The kicking was actually quite good with a few errors. The Brayshaw errors were on his left foot. A couple in a row. They were also when he seemed to be changing direction and with no momentum. His kicking on the right was pretty good.
-I have never seen more players doing extra things when training was finished. It was about half the list. It would be interesting to know whether cross is a direct influence on this.
-gawn looks awesome. Was leading out of the goal square in some of the drills and he is completing a lot of running.
-I also thought watts looked a bit bigger.
-I said before last preseason that I thought [Pedersen] needed to lose 4 or 5 kgs and he could then contribute. He looks to be fitter again.
-For his size frost is very quick.
-Tmac is a running machine and looks to have put on a couple on the upper body. He and frost could become pretty good pillars at the back.
ENJOY!
First Class right up Barra , thanks.
Thanks Barra - I usually read the reports on demonland but hadn't got around to it yet, so thanks for making it easy haha :P
I think there's also a Barra on demonland - Wouldn't happen to be you would it?
Yeah that's me mate :)
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The new quadzilla?
Nice stuff Barra, funnily enough I read them just before you posted it :P
Quote from: Big Mac on January 07, 2015, 08:10:03 PM
Thanks Barra - I usually read the reports on demonland but hadn't got around to it yet, so thanks for making it easy haha :P
I think there's also a Barra on demonland - Wouldn't happen to be you would it?
Yeah I wondered the same thing haha.
I often think about making an account there, but then again, I don't want every syllable I say to be criticised and torn to shreds ::) :P
Think I read today Viney ran the 3 km time trial in 10 min and 7 sec, which is good to hear!
that's one helluva post Barra!
hmmm got me thinking about picking Lamumba
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 07, 2015, 10:00:27 PM
hmmm got me thinking about picking Lamumba
Has been doing a lot of stoppage work apparently so who knows what Roos will do with him
Yeah Lumumba is sitting in my team from all of the reports. Every match sim play they have they say him, Jones and Tyson are having alot of posessions.
Quote from: Purple 77 on January 07, 2015, 09:52:55 PM
Nice stuff Barra, funnily enough I read them just before you posted it :P
Quote from: Big Mac on January 07, 2015, 08:10:03 PM
Thanks Barra - I usually read the reports on demonland but hadn't got around to it yet, so thanks for making it easy haha :P
I think there's also a Barra on demonland - Wouldn't happen to be you would it?
Yeah I wondered the same thing haha.
I often think about making an account there, but then again, I don't want every syllable I say to be criticised and torn to shreds ::) :P
Think I read today Viney ran the 3 km time trial in 10 min and 7 sec, which is good to hear!
Yeah looking to beat that, obviously. The Dees have their 3 Km time trial tomorrow so will post the reports from that.
It can be pretty brutal at demonland at times. I'm not a huge poster there, mainly just go for the training reports, news on the Essendon saga as they dig pretty deep on the subject past all the crap and for the fantasy side of things.
Very very interesting info on Lumumba. Had a line through his name up until now
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2015, 01:45:23 PM
Very very interesting info on Lumumba. Had a line through his name up until now
Indeed, by the sounds of it it seems he will be spending a fair bit of midfield time. Apparently it was Jones, Tyson and Lumumba that seemed to be raking in the disposals in the match simulation a while ago - I think I read that from someone who attended it.
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2015, 01:45:23 PM
Very very interesting info on Lumumba. Had a line through his name up until now
I think I mentioned this before, my mate went down to training and absolutely hated him before he got to Melbourne. He came out of it saying he looked really good and was surprised by it. I have this feeling with all the reports on H doing a lot of stoppage work that he is going to use him as a big bodied mid which makes me seriously consider him
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What an epic photo lol
who is it?
Thanks GM
Quote from: T Dog on January 31, 2015, 07:46:43 PM
who is it?
Jeremy Howe haha, always seems to have a laugh :P
Ohhhh Lord Howe :-[
Quote from: T Dog on January 31, 2015, 08:02:06 PM
Ohhhh Lord Howe :-[
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Quote from: Purple 77 on January 31, 2015, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: T Dog on January 31, 2015, 08:02:06 PM
Ohhhh Lord Howe :-[
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He looks so happy....Does he know he plays for Melbourne?
Still think I prefer this shot of Rampe
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Quote from: Big Mac on January 31, 2015, 10:15:40 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on January 31, 2015, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: T Dog on January 31, 2015, 08:02:06 PM
Ohhhh Lord Howe :-[
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He looks so happy....Does he know he plays for Melbourne?
Still think I prefer this shot of Rampe
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Oh wow lol, like a crazed scotsman!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)
AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
Quote from: nrich102 on February 01, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)
AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
This kid is a dead-set gun, but really really hope this external "Watts-like" pressure doesn't become too much.
Quote from: Ricochet on February 01, 2015, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on February 01, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)
AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
This kid is a dead-set gun, but really really hope this external "Watts-like" pressure doesn't become too much.
Hogan would have had several chats with Roos and would know exactly what is expected of him. I'm sure he'll be fine.
That guy must have been pretty desperate for a story though. Any of us could have whipped that shower up in 15 minutes
Probably a better comparison would have been Jones v Dawes.
Dawes has his haters, but gee, Melbourne would be in all-sorts without him.
Having said that, Jones by a mile.
Quote from: nrich102 on February 01, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)
AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
afl.com in a nutshell.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-03/jones-goes-solo
Jones flying solo as Demons' captain in 2015
MELBOURNE midfielder Nathan Jones will be the Demons' sole captain in 2015.
The 27-year-old will handle the responsibility on his own after sharing the captaincy duties with Jack Grimes in 2014.
Former Collingwood defender Heritier Lumumba is a surprise choice for the club's leadership group, which also includes Grimes, Lynden Dunn, Daniel Cross and Chris Dawes.
Grimes stood down as co-captain in the pre-season to concentrate on his football.
Jones' deputy will be experienced defender Dunn, who becomes vice-captain for the first time.
He was in the club's leadership group last season.
Jones has won three consecutive best and fairest awards with the Demons, but has played in just two finals in his 179 game-career.
He extended his contract in December for four more seasons, tying him to the Demons until the end of 2019.
Dunn, 27, was added to the club's leadership group early in the 2014 season after Mitch Clark retired and has been a solid performer in the past three seasons, finishing inside the top 10 in the club's best and fairest each year.
Missing from last season's leadership group are Colin Garland, Jack Trengove, Mitch Clark and James Frawley.
Hogan is the most important player for the Melbourne football club here is why i think so:
- No one on the current Melbourne list has the capability of winning the game of their own boot. Apart from Hogan.
- Hogan is the only one on the list that looks like kicking multiple goals each week.
- Hogan is the man to bring them back up the ladder
Nathan Jones is there best player but is he their most important? No. Midfielders are a dime a dozen, A player like Jesse Hogan comes along once every 5 years. He kicked 39 goals in his first season in the VFL and won the Scorpions best and fairest from only playing 15 games. He averaged 6 marks a game. Hogan has all the talent and potential to be one of the best key forwards in the AFL.
Don't really see anyone come close to being the spiritual leader that Nathan Jones is, so it makes sense he is the soul captain. I love you Jonesy!
Well done to Dunn though! Completes a massive turnaround for him :D
Bit unlucky to Garland... I'd probably have him over Lumumba, but whatevs.
I love how 3 out of 6 players in our leadership group were playing elsewhere 3 years ago ::) :P
Colin Sylvia/Brent Moloney's football career after leaving Melbourne has given me huge insight on the club's state. I mean these were pretty much the two most experienced leaders of the club who were just lazy jackasses
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though :(
Quote from: nrich102 on February 07, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though :(
In 2014 he was fine until the end of the season and Leppa chose not to play him at all beyond 5 games. It's staggering to think that a player who managed to go 500 diposals in a season twice got to a point where in one of the most inexperienced teams in Brisbane he doesn't even thought of.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on February 07, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though :(
In 2014 he was fine until the end of the season and Leppa chose not to play him at all beyond 5 games. It's staggering to think that a player who managed to go 500 diposals in a season twice got to a point where in one of the most inexperienced teams in Brisbane he doesn't even thought of.
Moloney had serious foot injuries which hindered him in 2014 forcing him to retire so i would not consider him a failure especially after his efforts in 2013. Was instrumental in mentoring Mayes and Aish as well. Unlike Sylvia he immersed himslef in the club and mentored young ones.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 08:15:48 PM
Colin Sylvia/Brent Moloney's football career after leaving Melbourne has given me huge insight on the club's state. I mean these were pretty much the two most experienced leaders of the club who were just lazy jackasses
What the club state
was, totally agree.
One of the major concerns under the Dean Bailey era, was that they were teaching players to play in 'bursts', and really endurance/fitness levels suffered IMO.
I actually think this was one of the handful of good things Neeld did, was to start to get the players fitness at an AFL standard. Dave Misson came on at pretty much the same time, and he is still with us, and I reckon he is largely responsible for getting our fitness back to AFL standard.
Should also note Moloney/Sylvia left during the Neeld tenure.
I just hope that the recent news of Sylvia doesn't make everyone think Melbourne has poor fitness standards currently, which I really think is good now.
Quote from: Ringo on February 07, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on February 07, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though :(
In 2014 he was fine until the end of the season and Leppa chose not to play him at all beyond 5 games. It's staggering to think that a player who managed to go 500 diposals in a season twice got to a point where in one of the most inexperienced teams in Brisbane he doesn't even thought of.
Moloney had serious foot injuries which hindered him in 2014 forcing him to retire so i would not consider him a failure especially after his efforts in 2013. Was instrumental in mentoring Mayes and Aish as well. Unlike Sylvia he immersed himslef in the club and mentored young ones.
Yes he had a major achilles injury, but he was dropped well before for "team balance" issues http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-01/moloney-still-in-the-mix (note: that was his last ever game)
Quote from: Purple 77 on February 07, 2015, 08:49:56 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 08:15:48 PM
Colin Sylvia/Brent Moloney's football career after leaving Melbourne has given me huge insight on the club's state. I mean these were pretty much the two most experienced leaders of the club who were just lazy jackasses
What the club state was, totally agree.
One of the major concerns under the Dean Bailey era, was that they were teaching players to play in 'bursts', and really endurance/fitness levels suffered IMO.
I actually think this was one of the handful of good things Neeld did, was to start to get the players fitness at an AFL standard. Dave Misson came on at pretty much the same time, and he is still with us, and I reckon he is largely responsible for getting our fitness back to AFL standard.
Should also note Moloney/Sylvia left during the Neeld tenure.
I just hope that the recent news of Sylvia doesn't make everyone think Melbourne has poor fitness standards currently, which I really think is good now.
Yeah definitely past tense, although you could maybe argue (not that I would) that fitness played a part in Melbourne's 2nd half of 2014.
I'm sure Roo's wouldn't have played Colin Sylvia at all had he seen him in that state.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 09:54:12 PM
Yeah definitely past tense, although you could maybe argue (not that I would) that fitness played a part in Melbourne's 2nd half of 2014.
I'm sure Roo's wouldn't have played Colin Sylvia at all had he seen him in that state.
Fair call, and lack of fitness definitely did, but I would pin that on having only a dozen players start Roos' first pre-season fit, and many injuries over the first pre-season.
I read recently that Roos reckons each player needed to complete 25 training sessions prior to the start of practice matches, to be adequately prepared for the NAB Challenge. Only 25 players achieved that last year, we already have 38 complete that this year.
Moloney played some good footy in Brisbane, I wouldnt put him in the same category as Sylvia.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on February 08, 2015, 07:00:22 PM
Moloney played some good footy in Brisbane, I wouldnt put him in the same category as Sylvia.
Not really the point. He went over 20 disposals in all of the first 4 games of the season, gets subbed in the 5th and never gets played again.
Sylvia and Moloney aren't and weren't bad players, both when they played at and left Melbourne. They're just undisciplined, lazy who got off easy being the most experienced players at a bottom club.
If you're disscussing Melbourne (which is what this board is) then Sylvia and Moloney are definitely categorized together.
Melbourne is a lot better with players like Cross and Dawes instead of them
nope
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 08, 2015, 10:39:28 PM
Not really the point. He went over 20 disposals in all of the first 4 games of the season, gets subbed in the 5th and never gets played again.
Sylvia and Moloney aren't and weren't bad players, both when they played at and left Melbourne. They're just undisciplined, lazy who got off easy being the most experienced players at a bottom club.
If you're disscussing Melbourne (which is what this board is) then Sylvia and Moloney are definitely categorized together.
Melbourne is a lot better with players like Cross and Dawes instead of them
Where has their ever been mention of Moloney being undisciciplined and lazy? Please post us some articles and facts rather than pulling statesments out of your arse please. He only played 5 games because of injury that ended his career.
I can get some statements from actual Brisbane employees if you like.
Quote“Brent is a fantastic character and we are fortunate to have had him as part of our Lions family,†Brisbane football manager Darren Warren said.
“Brent has been a great mentor for our young playing list, in particular our midfielders and will be sorely missed around the club.
“We wish him all the very best in his future endeavours.â€
He told the Lions website he wanted to be remembered as an “honest bloke†and a good teammate.
Also a tweet from the Pig himself
https://twitter.com/rockwiz38/status/498646410376404993/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/rockwiz38/status/498646410376404993/photo/1)
Now how about you stop being lazy and undisciliplined and learn abit about footy before make baseless attacks on players.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2015, 10:49:10 PM
nope
Both questionable leaders, both got dropped purely on poor work ethic, both get suspended/leadership and captaincy taken away for poor off-field indiscretions (drinking, driving accidents.
Look on any Demonland thread from 2012, huge questions on "cancerous attitude" spreading through their club. Look where they're at 2 years later.
They sure were great model players for Melbourne!
How was Moloney a spud at Brisbane? Injuries got the better of him and he retired after 2 years at Brisbane therefore he is a spud?
What he did mentoring our younger guys like Aish was very good. Hardly a spud.
this whole thing was based on there careers after leaving Melbourne and Moloney was way better at Brisbane then Sylvia at Freo
don't know how you can deny that
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
this whole thing was based on there careers after leaving Melbourne and Moloney was way better at Brisbane then Sylvia at Freo
don't know how you can deny that
I don't think that's the debate :p
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
this whole thing was based on there careers after leaving Melbourne and Moloney was way better at Brisbane then Sylvia at Freo
don't know how you can deny that
Quote from: nrich102 on February 08, 2015, 11:11:27 PM
How was Moloney a spud at Brisbane? Injuries got the better of him and he retired after 2 years at Brisbane therefore he is a spud?
What he did mentoring our younger guys like Aish was very good. Hardly a spud.
Why do you guys keep talking about Brisbane in particular, you all keep bringing it up despite the fact my original post was specifically about
Melbourne's (hence why this is on a
Melbourne board)
Not once did I say Moloney was a bad player, he won a best and fairest for a reason and at one point was the best clearance player in the comp.
I'm just gonna leave before it gets personal lol, evidently Moloney is Jesus re-incarnate
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 08, 2015, 11:16:47 PM
I'm just gonna leave before it gets personal lol, evidently Moloney is Jesus re-incarnate
Says he's going to leave before it gets personal, insults Christians ::)
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Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on February 08, 2015, 11:16:47 PM
I'm just gonna leave before it gets personal lol, evidently Moloney is Jesus re-incarnate
Says he's going to leave before it gets personal, insults Christians ::)
How is that insulting Christians? Wow.
MM was making a solid argument and everyone's just like 'nah he was good at Brisbane', lol.
I think the issue started by labelling Sylvia and Moloney in the same category.
Whilst that may have been the case at Melbourne and I respect MM opinion and insight in the facts he has now presented, it does not ring true to Lions supporters.
So my take is Moloney grasped the opportunity at a new club and took it whereas Sylvia just appeared to coast along and take the money being paid.
We see it a lot of the time with players turning it around at new clubs but also some do not.
So to get this back on track as a Melbourne discussion and on the facts MM has presented both were cancerous to Melbourne and had to go.
Regarding the insulting to Christians Jesus is the Leader of the Christian Church and comparing Sylvia to Jesus would be insulting to Christians just an explanation.
In lighter news after the Petracca devastation, JKH has signed on for 2 more years 8)
Love this kid.
Moloney was actually a good player at Melbourne too. Neeld was just a tosser and didn't get along with him so he didn't play him.
Nothing to do with Moloney being lazy. He won the b&f the year before Neeld got there then barely got played and kept getting made the sub because Neeld didn't like him
Ah Mark Neeld, dark days in Melbourne's history.
A bad club culture and system breeds players who never reach their full potential, Roosy is helping change this, some of these poorer preforming teams over the last few decades just kept sacking coaches rather than the higher ups recruiters ectectect rather than taking responsibility for not being good at their job.
I want Melbourne (the home of football + one of the first 2 clubs) succeed :)
Wow had to fix up a few spelling errors + words just completely left out lol.
Quote from: Grufflez on February 18, 2015, 06:31:22 PM
A bad club culture and system breeds players who never reach their full potential, Roosy is helping change this, some of these poorer preforming teams over the last few decades just kept sacking coaches rather than the higher ups recruiters ectectect taking responsibility for not being good at their job.
I wanna Melbourne (the home of football + one of the first 2 clubs) succeed :)
He certainly has turned some players around thats for sure. Pederson, Jetta and Dunn have made massive improvements from the Neeld era.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-03-10/all-clear-on-hogan-foot-scans
SCANS on Jesse Hogan's foot have cleared the Melbourne forward of injury but he remains in doubt for this Saturday's NAB Challenge game against the Western Bulldogs in Ballarat.
The 20-year-old sent a scare through the Demons' camp when an opponent stood on his foot late in Thursday night's NAB Challenge game against Fremantle.
He then missed training on Monday as the club held him back until his foot was properly assessed to ensure there were no underlying issues.
However football manager Josh Mahoney said the club was pleased with the results.
"He had scans this morning which cleared him of any significant injury and he will be assessed to be available to play this week," Mahoney told AFL.com.au.
The club will continue to monitor his progress during the week to determine his availability for Saturday's game.
I saw that on another thread and the title read Jesse Hogan foot scan. I thought that'd flowering be right. Good to know its all good.
I had no idea about it until I saw the article :P my thought process within 1 second was: OH shower... ARRGHH.... OOHHH... Not even worried.
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 10, 2015, 05:38:59 PM
I had no idea about it until I saw the article :P my thought process within 1 second was: OH shower... ARRGHH.... OOHHH... Not even worried.
I went through the exact same emotions lol
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season :-X
Quote from: My Chumps on March 11, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season :-X
If Hogan gets injured again I will be holding you solely responsible. There may or may not be a hit squad sent directly to your house.
Quote from: Big Mac on March 11, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on March 11, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season :-X
If Hogan gets injured again I will be holding you solely responsible. There may or may not be a hit squad sent directly to your house.
Yeah, none of that devil's advocate stuff around here.
Quote from: Big Mac on March 11, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on March 11, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season :-X
If Hogan gets injured again I will be holding you solely responsible. There may or may not be a hit squad sent directly to your house.
There may or may not be two hit squads.
Hit squad? I'd personally be there myself.
Paul Roos also may be there ;)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-12/dees-lock-in-brayshaw
LAST year's No.3 draft pick Angus Brayshaw has re-committed to Melbourne until the end of 2018, before playing his first AFL game.
Brayshaw was contracted to the Demons to the end of 2016 after signing a standard two-year deal upon being drafted.
However, AFL.com.au understands the 19-year-old has agreed to terms on a two-year extension that will bind him to Melbourne for the next four seasons.
The son of AFL Coaches Association chief executive and former North Melbourne player Mark Brayshaw, the hard-nosed midfielder is a prolific ball-winner who is equally damaging at stoppages and in open space.
Brayshaw shapes as a key member of Melbourne's emerging batch of young midfielders, alongside Dom Tyson, Jack Viney, Christian Salem and Christian Petracca, and his importance can only increase this season with Petracca out for the year with an ACL tear.
Always good to see a show of faith by a player 8)
Well done Gus
Enthusiasm for round 1 just about dead
Will probably still go to the game because I'm a flower head
On a somewhat more positive note... H, Frost, Newton and Jeffy look like good recruits (and Hogan if he counts).
Suffice to say, I'm typing with my right hand, after I may have broken my left... probably didn't. Hurts like flower though.
It's only nab, only nab...
But it's not though really. We (the melbourne supporters; the cursed) know what's gonna happen this year. The rest of the AFL will know it after round 1, but we already know that this is gonna be another long year.
The question I ask myself is, how do we climb the ladder? I actually don't know. We have one of the best coaches, and just in general in every off-field department, we are in very, very good hands. I don't think anyone will argue that.
Tonight against half-VFL team, we would have been lost without Lumumba, Frost (despite his inaccuracy), Vandenberg and Garlett.
And these guys haven't played with us before.
Which leads me to think a thought which, when I hear some other angry supporter say it in the moment, I cringe and dismiss them as just that; caught in the moment.
Cut the whole damn list? Obviously not all of them: Jones, Tyson (shower house game), Viney (even worse), Dawes, Salem, Watts, Hogan, Jetta, Dunn, and McDonald.
But should we get rid of the rest of the 22 that played tonight? That would be:
Jack Grimes
Ben Newton (in neither the cut or keep list)
Mark Jamar
Daniel Cross
Colin Garland
Matt Jones
Rohan Bail
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jordie McKenzie
Grimes would be the unluckiest. But this... I dunno what it is, attitude(?), of losing the unloseable, or just laying down and dying... he has that ingrained in him through 8 years of being in this team. Perhaps the only way to get rid of that attitude, is actually getting rid of them all?
The game tonight, really reminded me of the game against the lions last year, and a few other games (Port, Doggies), where it really seemed we wanted to lose. That, or we simply didn't know how to win. Like, being in a winning position is so foreign, that one tends to go back to familiarity, i.e. looking like shower.
I dunno. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I needed to see improvement in this nab series compared to last year, and all I see is different players doing the same things, engulfed in this losing culture.
Maybe I'm saying all this because the loss is fresh... but I have had these thoughts for about a year now.
I don't know what to say purps - Wish I could get inside Roosy's head
Melb vs Saints could be interesting this year. there might not be an effective disposal during the whole match
go to the doctor and get your hand xrayed... I didn't last year, and mine hurt for like 7+ months post injury (to small degrees).
Also, it's been hypothesised multiple times over the past decade that a VFL team could probably take melbourne... now that's kind of been proven :P
Slightly moving on, talking to my fellow Dee-voters (just thought of that then... I should write that down)
Do you guys get just as annoyed as I do at supporters telling other supporters to f*** off because they don't have anything positive to say? Or when they're bemoaning the club? These people who will always "stay positive" and will never have a bad thing to say about the club? Then they have the nerve to tell someone having a well-deserved rant about the club they love and invest in, this little old-cliche "If you can't support them when they're down, you don't deserve to support them when they're up"
It has never happened to me directly, but man, if it did, I'd be the most savage keyboard hero, that would make Demonland proud.
They say that the club doesn't want or need these types of supporters that criticise the club... to which I think, yes they bloody do, they need our money! :P. But that's beside the point. I think these type of supporters are absolutely passionless. I think, if you don't feel hurt, disappointed and angry when melbourne put in a performance like what they did last night, then do you really have a passion for the club?
Going back to that crappy old cliche I wrote above, maybe it should read "If you don't feel hurt when they're down, then you can't feel total elation when they're up"
And to me, if these people just throw the "I'm staying positive, if you're not then you can go away" in reaction to a pathetic loss, then these people are either mindless, a bogan, passionless or a passive-agressive human-being.
The melbourne footy club doesn't need mindless, bogan, passionless or passive-aggressive supporters... so they don't need YOU!
Sigh. Rant over. I've been developing that opinion for years now ::)
Some MFC supporters still accept mediocrity
It's just not good enough
To the Melbourne supporters here what is a pass mark for 2015?
As an observer I would have thought improving on the ladder, winning more games than last year and getting quality game time into your younger players.
Last night was a bad loss but it is only NAB. Cannot take it too seriously as long as their is an improved performance come Round One against Gold Coast.
6 wins I will be disappointed with, but will accept as improvement.
7 wins, I will probably accept, so long as the percentage is about 80+
8 wins than I think 2015 would be a success for us.
Who are the teams you're eyeing off as beatable Purps?
Understand there's also the potential for outsiders (like Essendon last year), but just curious as to who you think is at a similar level.
2 games against the dogs, 2 games against the saints, I think the 2 GWS games are winnable, but they might take a big leap this year so maybe not. I'd see our game against carlton is winnable, and despite recent events, our game against essendon too.
IF melbourne is playing at their best, we would have a chance at beating any of the bottom 12 last year IMO. But that's a big IF.
(http://i.imgur.com/XVOfSrT.png)
From our man Barra a couple months ago - would be interested to see if he's changed his opinion
8 wins would be my 'pass mark'
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 21, 2015, 12:20:26 PM
2 games against the dogs, 2 games against the saints, I think the 2 GWS games are winnable, but they might take a big leap this year so maybe not. I'd see our game against carlton is winnable, and despite recent events, our game against essendon too.
IF melbourne is playing at their best, we would have a chance at beating any of the bottom 12 last year IMO. But that's a big IF.
unless gws are crushed by injuries, I'd think we'd have your measure this season 8 times out of 10.
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 21, 2015, 12:20:26 PM
2 games against the dogs, 2 games against the saints, I think the 2 GWS games are winnable, but they might take a big leap this year so maybe not. I'd see our game against carlton is winnable, and despite recent events, our game against essendon too.
IF melbourne is playing at their best, we would have a chance at beating any of the bottom 12 last year IMO. But that's a big IF.
Fair call.
Definitely think the 2 against the Saints should be wins. I feel like the Dees, Dogs, Carlton and potentially GWS are all at a similar level for this season. Should be interesting to see who winds up down the bottom. Libba out is a big loss issue for the Dogs.
Brayshaw was in Casey's best for the second week in a row 8)
I still like the idea of holding him back this year though. Just thought a NAB match couldn't have done any harm is all.
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter
biggest load of crap ever
:(
Quote from: DazBurg on March 22, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter
biggest load of crap ever
I'm a believer of karma.
I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens :D
Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hate
d that guy
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 22, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on March 22, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter
biggest load of crap ever
I'm a believer of karma.
I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens :D
Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy
What are you implying exactly? That he faked having depression to leave Melbourne?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 22, 2015, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 22, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on March 22, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter
biggest load of crap ever
I'm a believer of karma.
I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens :D
Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy
What are you implying exactly? That he faked having depression to leave Melbourne?
I don't think anyone accepts his 'depression' as an excuse for leaving the club
No one's saying that he faked it though
Quote from: quinny88 on March 22, 2015, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 22, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on March 22, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter
biggest load of crap ever
I'm a believer of karma.
I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens :D
Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy
What are you implying exactly? That he faked having depression to leave Melbourne?
no one is implying that
but i think the huge payout he got from the dees should be payed back for 1
as i'm sure they agreed to that on the basis of being worried about his earning power due to said illiness
not that he'd take there money have a year off then go get money elsewhere
2. did he really need to leave due to depression?
or is it just like when he left lions because he said he was homesick
was all lined up to go to sydney i believe it was
then dees wave heaps of cash and bang off to victoria
(p.s not having a go at ppl with depression or speaking lightly of it i know a few people with it including my partner and i don't expect her to take my money then up and leave me for someone else due to that depression either :P )
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 22, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on March 22, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter
biggest load of crap ever
I'm a believer of karma.
I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens :D
Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy
wow wishing a career ending injury on someone is really low
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 23, 2015, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 22, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on March 22, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter
biggest load of crap ever
I'm a believer of karma.
I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens :D
Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy
wow wishing a career ending injury on someone is really low
So is saying you have depression and taking a massive payout from the club to then come back less then 12 months later at a different club...
As is saying your homesick when you are from WA and going to Melbourne ::)
Not really wanting to buy into this argument but I lost all respect I had for Clark when he said he wanted to go home to WA only to end up at Melbourne for more dollars.
Whilst some homesickness is genuine I think the number 1 reason is dollars and relying on other factors to support the requests and decisions.
Quote from: Ringo on March 23, 2015, 09:37:46 AM
Not really wanting to buy into this argument but I lost all respect I had for Clark when he said he wanted to go home to WA only to end up at Melbourne for more dollars.
Whilst some homesickness is genuine I think the number 1 reason is dollars and relying on other factors to support the requests and decisions.
It wasn't home sickness, he was depressed, so quit the club and went home to recover.
Quote from: Ziplock on March 23, 2015, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: Ringo on March 23, 2015, 09:37:46 AM
Not really wanting to buy into this argument but I lost all respect I had for Clark when he said he wanted to go home to WA only to end up at Melbourne for more dollars.
Whilst some homesickness is genuine I think the number 1 reason is dollars and relying on other factors to support the requests and decisions.
It wasn't home sickness, he was depressed, so quit the club and went home to recover.
was attributed as his reason for leaving Brisbane.
I think its fair to say that Clark is a fairly shower human being. Even if he's had a lot to deal with, the way he's gone about it is all pretty poor.
Quote from: Big Mac on March 21, 2015, 12:29:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XVOfSrT.png)
From our man Barra a couple months ago - would be interested to see if he's changed his opinion
8 wins would be my 'pass mark'
Following me around? Haha. I still hold true to that, I still aim for us to be close to the 8.
Quote from: Barra13 on March 23, 2015, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on March 21, 2015, 12:29:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XVOfSrT.png)
From our man Barra a couple months ago - would be interested to see if he's changed his opinion
8 wins would be my 'pass mark'
Following me around? Haha. I still hold true to that, I still aim for us to be close to the 8.
Yeh haha it's pretty 'out there' imo so I remembered it pretty well - only took 20 seconds to find it as well
2 wrongs don't make a right
Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment
Ok boys. Final verdict on Lumumba? He will be a top 6 defender if he doesn't tag imo, but I know he had a run with role in one of the intra club games. Can anyone who attends training give an opinion on what they think? Cheers. Go dees!
Quote from: New Skinn on March 28, 2015, 02:27:55 PM
Ok boys. Final verdict on Lumumba? He will be a top 6 defender if he doesn't tag imo, but I know he had a run with role in one of the intra club games. Can anyone who attends training give an opinion on what they think? Cheers. Go dees!
Honestly doubt he'll get a run-with role, Cross would be first in line for that
Quote from: Big Mac on March 28, 2015, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: New Skinn on March 28, 2015, 02:27:55 PM
Ok boys. Final verdict on Lumumba? He will be a top 6 defender if he doesn't tag imo, but I know he had a run with role in one of the intra club games. Can anyone who attends training give an opinion on what they think? Cheers. Go dees!
Honestly doubt he'll get a run-with role, Cross would be first in line for that
+1
Quote from: Big Mac on March 28, 2015, 02:23:33 PM
Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment
Brayshaw self!
I was so impressed when I saw someone come up with that :P
Yep, Lumumba is locked into my side, too cheap to ignore.
Quote from: Big Mac on March 28, 2015, 02:23:33 PM
Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment
Some rumours coming through that Brayshaws family has been told he is likely to debut this weekend. Good news.
Quote from: Barra13 on March 30, 2015, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on March 28, 2015, 02:23:33 PM
Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment
Some rumours coming through that Brayshaws family has been told he is likely to debut this weekend. Good news.
knowing Roos, gus would already be holding the green vest
Eh, I like it 8)
Brayshaw debut!
Didn't see that coming! Very exciting!
no Grimes?
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today :o
Quote from: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 09:07:19 AM
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today :o
Is that allowed?
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 04, 2015, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 09:07:19 AM
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today :o
Is that allowed?
Maybe because the VFL started last week? If it did?
Quote from: ossie85 on April 04, 2015, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 04, 2015, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 09:07:19 AM
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today :o
Is that allowed?
Maybe because the VFL started last week? If it did?
I think they're still playing practice matches in the VFL
Yeh praccy matches in VFL atm i think
Does Dawes even come back in next week?
THE BEST MATCH I'VE SEEN MELBOURNE PLAY IN 4 YEARS!
I'M SO HAPPY!
Quote from: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 04:43:25 PM
Does Dawes even come back in next week?
There was only one bad player today. I don't think I need to say his name.
But when Hogan got his second today... I lost my shower.
Brayshaw was outstanding!
It was just... a 4 quarter, consistently good match!
TMac was great!
IT WAS JUST SO GREAT!
I was with my mate last night who is a Melbourne supporter talking about the game. He said he wasn't expecting to win but for it to be closer then what most thought. I said to him, you never know, you guys might shock the world and win. Well done Dees
When we've been ahead in the past, the opposition usually gets 3 or 4 goals and then we just give up
Even when that happened today - the players didn't waiver. They kept their chins up, and just worked on defending and moving the ball forward. No panic, no unforced errors. It was actually great to see such a change in attitude and team morale
Great to see Melbourne play 4 quarters of good footy today - completely outclassed the Suns.
Hogan is gonna be an absolute weapon 8)
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)
Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.
Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 11:53:35 AM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)
Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.
Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.
Without Frost though then no one would be able to give Jamar a spell
I'm sure N. Jones would have a crack in the rucks if you asked but i'm not sure how well that would work
Quote from: Big Mac on April 09, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 11:53:35 AM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)
Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.
Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.
Without Frost though then no one would be able to give Jamar a spell
I'm sure N. Jones would have a crack in the rucks if you asked but i'm not sure how well that would work
Lol
I'd assume Dawes would be relieving Jamar no?
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 09, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 11:53:35 AM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)
Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.
Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.
Without Frost though then no one would be able to give Jamar a spell
I'm sure N. Jones would have a crack in the rucks if you asked but i'm not sure how well that would work
Lol
I'd assume Dawes would be relieving Jamar no?
I remember him doing some rucking at Collingwood, but, was he any good? I can't remember
Quote from: Big Mac on April 09, 2015, 03:17:45 PM
I remember him doing some rucking at Collingwood, but, was he any good? I can't remember
No.
Quote from: ossie85 on April 09, 2015, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 09, 2015, 03:17:45 PM
I remember him doing some rucking at Collingwood, but, was he any good? I can't remember
No.
Yeah but you were using him as your number one in some games :P
Is Jack Grimes seriously not best 22?
Quote from: Adamant on April 09, 2015, 06:52:12 PM
Is Jack Grimes seriously not best 22?
I thought he was pretty stiff not to be selected round 1... but at the moment he most certainly isn't!
Think he would be the one keeping the pressure on Chris Salem to keep performing off half back
That McDonald guy goes alright
Quote from: Big Mac on April 12, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
That McDonald guy goes alright
Indeed! Can't recall an errant kick either
Boys what happened?? Last I looked you were up comfortably and then came back after the game...
that 3rd quarter?
Mumford and GWS midfielders came at them and Melbourne just fell away and got smashed.
Guys like Tyson and Jones were already having below average games. Their talls in Hogan, Dawes and McDonald were dominating in the first half but once supply stopped they were dead in the water
Yeh ok, thanks mate. Couldn't believe the turn around when I saw the scores
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 12, 2015, 02:20:00 PM
Mumford and GWS midfielders came at them and Melbourne just fell away and got smashed.
Guys like Tyson and Jones were already having below average games. Their talls in Hogan, Dawes and McDonald were dominating in the first half but once supply stopped they were dead in the water
Dawes was shower lol
McDonald was great for the whole game though - destroyed Cameron even with the supply the GWS mids were giving him
Dawes was decent at the beginning
TMac's best moment was that beautiful spoil from the impossible position; running with the same direction as the ball to spoil Tomlinson I think it was... saved a goal.
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868
MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.
Quote from: Ricochet on April 17, 2015, 12:26:55 PM
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868
MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.
If you are drink driving, and driving without a liscence... that should be jail time. 'Suspending from driving for 11 months' - he already didn't have a liscence! What's that do?
Quote from: ossie85 on April 17, 2015, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on April 17, 2015, 12:26:55 PM
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868
MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.
If you are drink driving, and driving without a liscence... that should be jail time. 'Suspending from driving for 11 months' - he already didn't have a liscence! What's that do?
Hey at least he showed up to court this time :P
I have come to realise this season that as unfortunate as it is for Mckenzie, we don't really need him in the side anymore. There have been now numerous guys in Cross, Vince and Viney that can do excellent hard tags on some of the best players and still win more ball than their direct opponent. I am actually really interested to see what will happen this Friday night against Richmond. Who will be given the job and who will be tagged? Vince? Cross? Martin? Cotchin? Ellis?
The tag will make an interesting watch each week for me now.
Reckon Viney would be a bloke that could one day break free of tagging duties though Barra? Is the offensive side of his game good enough? Or will he always be a defensive mid that wins his own ball? Similar to a Carrazzo in his prime?
Interested in your thoughts.
Quote from: elephants on April 20, 2015, 01:34:09 PM
Reckon Viney would be a bloke that could one day break free of tagging duties though Barra? Is the offensive side of his game good enough? Or will he always be a defensive mid that wins his own ball? Similar to a Carrazzo in his prime?
Interested in your thoughts.
I think the tagging duties are more of a learning experience for Viney at the moment
He will always be somewhat defensive though as it's in his nature
Yes, you could put him in the same bracket as Jones as the hard nut inside midfielder. At the moment you could certainly put him into that Carrazzo bracket too. I loved what he used to be able to do. I don't think Viney will ever be that clearance winning, high possession machine. But you can bet your bottom dollar that he will always give 100% and make a contest out of it. The tagging duty on Ablett was definitely a learning experience of running patterns etc. Maybe 5/6 years later that may change, but that is what he is at the moment. You forget how young the guy actually is sometimes.
Definitely seeing similarities between Viney and a young Jones. Gives his all, disposable questionable and often tags. IIRC Jones did a couple of stellar jobs tagging Swanny in his prime on Queens birthday; I reckon it's just a bit of experience for Viney before he's unleashed in a couple of years.
Quote from: Big Mac on April 17, 2015, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on April 17, 2015, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on April 17, 2015, 12:26:55 PM
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868
MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.
If you are drink driving, and driving without a liscence... that should be jail time. 'Suspending from driving for 11 months' - he already didn't have a liscence! What's that do?
Hey at least he showed up to court this time :P
unlicensed as in he didnt have his license on him or he lost his license due to another offence?? VEry lucky not to get jail time
Garlett needs to concentrate on his goal kicking right now
I've come to the realisation that as soon as Hogan stops playing on AA defenders, he is going to kick a massive bag
And it is going to be beautiful
Haha. Unfortunately that looks a while away, until the dogs match!
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 09:11:01 AM
Haha. Unfortunately that looks a while away, until the dogs match!
I can wait a few more weeks 8)
How long has it been since a Melbourne player kicked a bag anyway?
Probably that guy whose name rhymes with fark
McDonald struggled early on last night, seemed that Riewoldt was just too quick off the mark for him
Kept him quiet when he was close to goal though and in one on one contests - He made some beautiful spoils
Quote from: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 09:34:38 AM
McDonald struggled early on last night, seemed that Riewoldt was just too quick off the mark for him
Kept him quiet when he was close to goal though and in one on one contests - He made some beautiful spoils
Yeah Riewoldt was beating TMac comfortable early on, I might even say Riewoldt probably won on the night IMO. But TMac did some lovely spoils, and I don't think his All-Aus spot chase has been hampered by last night.
I guess he did hold him to zero goals!
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 09:11:01 AM
Haha. Unfortunately that looks a while away, until the dogs match!
This match will be the one to watch. Two of the best prospective sides (along with GWS) battling it out
It happened several times last night, but if you are going to flower up a handball, put it in front of a player and hope they can run onto it. Absolutely hate it when a player gets free of his man and then his teammate handballs it behind him
If Freo carry this form into next week...
Quote from: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
If Freo carry this form into next week...
Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them :-X
I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.
But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
If Freo carry this form into next week...
Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them :-X
I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.
But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard :P
:'(
Quote from: Ricochet on April 26, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
If Freo carry this form into next week...
Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them :-X
I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.
But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard :P
:'(
A Freo supporter on bigfooty suggested Brayshaw + Hogan for Fyfe
I almost choked
Lucky the Freo supporters didn't seem too keen on it either
Quote from: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 12:36:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on April 26, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
If Freo carry this form into next week...
Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them :-X
I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.
But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard :P
:'(
A Freo supporter on bigfooty suggested Brayshaw + Hogan for Fyfe
I almost choked
Lucky the Freo supporters didn't seem too keen on it either
Tough one hahaha the next Selwood & Riewoldt for the next Ablett (maybe better)
Quote from: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 12:36:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on April 26, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
If Freo carry this form into next week...
Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them :-X
I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.
But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard :P
:'(
A Freo supporter on bigfooty suggested Brayshaw + Hogan for Fyfe
I almost choked
Lucky the Freo supporters didn't seem too keen on it either
Fyfe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brayshaw
Taberner <<<Hogan
So, no thanks
Longterm i think Brayshaw + Hogan would be better.
If both live up to their potential you'd take the trade if you were Freo, however without hindsight it would be a pointless risk.
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe
Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Considering Freo are right in their premiership window and they need one before Pav and Sandi go, I'd definitely leave it if I were them.
If Freo were mid-table and rising it'd be a different story.
Dean Kent out for 10-12 weeks. Seems like it was a bad hammy.
Long term? Guys Fyfe is 23....
Quote from: Ricochet on April 28, 2015, 10:57:51 AM
Long term? Guys Fyfe is 23....
Which, coincidentally, is the number of goals he'll kick this weekend
Quote from: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe
Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow
Quote from: Barra13 on April 28, 2015, 10:52:03 AM
Dean Kent out for 10-12 weeks. Seems like it was a bad hammy.
:'(
Quote from: My Chumps on April 28, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe
Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow
How often do you see a guy in his debut year consistently rag doll AA defenders in the wet?
And lead the competition for contested marks?
If you took all the AFL players from every club and had one massive draft, Fyfe might be on top, but Hogan wouldn't be too far behind.
Quote from: Big Mac on April 28, 2015, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 28, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe
Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow
How often do you see a guy in his debut year consistently rag doll AA defenders in the wet?
And lead the competition for contested marks?
If you took all the AFL players from every club and had one massive draft, Fyfe might be on top, but Hogan wouldn't be too far behind.
Yeah look I sort of understand, but Fyfe is the best player in the competition at the moment. You'd be mad to turn him down :P
Quote from: My Chumps on April 28, 2015, 04:11:06 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 28, 2015, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 28, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe
Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow
How often do you see a guy in his debut year consistently rag doll AA defenders in the wet?
And lead the competition for contested marks?
If you took all the AFL players from every club and had one massive draft, Fyfe might be on top, but Hogan wouldn't be too far behind.
Yeah look I sort of understand, but Fyfe is the best player in the competition at the moment. You'd be mad to turn him down :P
I saw Hogan play in the VFL two years ago and it was love at first sight
You can't break that kind of bond
who comes in for Kent then?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 29, 2015, 12:20:08 AM
who comes in for Kent then?
Bail comes to mind but he had a concussion on the weekend apparently (anymore and he would seriously have to consider retiring I think :()
The only guy left with pace is Matt Jones, but he's not really a forward
It will probably be Jetta, Kent out for Grimes, Toumpas
Also talk that Tyson may be injured but I hope that's not the case
i read the in the mix article they suggested Grimes might come in for Jetta who got injured
they suggested a tall might come in for Kent since they playing Freo
I love watching Hogan and think he will be a star but holy shower I've never heard a 13 disposal, 2 goal game been blown up as much as this one has throughout the week. You would think he kicked 10 haha
The kid can seriously play though and exactly the player Melbourne need to build a club around
Quote from: quinny88 on April 29, 2015, 01:19:50 AM
I love watching Hogan and think he will be a star but holy shower I've never heard a 13 disposal, 2 goal game been blown up as much as this one has throughout the week. You would think he kicked 10 haha
The kid can seriously play though and exactly the player Melbourne need to build a club around
It's not really about how good his game was (although 2 goals and 3 CM in the wet isn't bad) - it's just that he's doing it against the very best in only his 4th game
A guy that has shown as much as he has clearly will turn into something great - which is what has people excited more than anything
Come on Cam!
Grimes and Pedersen... just not Toumpas, please. He needs to tear it up in the VFL for another month, just keep doing what he is doing.
But you'd think Grimes would come in and be a negating player in Jetta's absence, probably.
For me it'd be;
Out: Kent, Jetta.
In: Grimes, Toumpas for sub.
If Tyson doesn't play, I'd be quite happy with Lumumba taking Tysons place and having Grimes come in and take Lumubas place in the back line if that was the case. Then I'd probably run with Terlich in Jettas spot and Toumpas coming in as the sub for Kent which allows Brayshaw/Michie a full game.
I do like the Pedobear though.
How has Grimes gone in the vfl?
Little report on the Casey games of the demons players;
QuoteI just finished watching the replay. They played better than I expected after reading the thread. Umpiring was ok in the first half but a string of soft decisions at the start of the third really cost us. Dominated the last quarter but didn't make the most of our opportunities.
Regarding Spencer, my impression was that he was much better around the ground than usual and not making the classic stuff ups. Took a couple of great contested grabs. I felt that he struggled in ruck contests against Minson. For most of the game I would have been ok with him getting the call up (and I have never been a fan) but his last quarter was a bit disappointing. Gawn did well in the ruck contests but very average otherwise.
Jack Grimes was clearly our best. Clean. A class above.
Terlich got better as the game went on and had quite a good second half.
Harmes was the one who really impressed me. Inside and outside work. Clearances. Great grab and goal in the last quarter. Needs to get a bit more of the ball but could be a good sub this week.
I'm a Toumpas fan but his disposal was deplorable. Endeavour was great, tackling, running all day...but turnover after turnover. Needs more time at Casey.
Riley was solid. Usual good inside work, didn't notice any glaring disposal errors.
Matt Jones had a great last quarter running the lines. Otherwise he was quiet.
Jordie had a hard working, blue collar game.
Stretch's class stood out. Not afraid of contact, made some good tackles, worked hard. IMO he isn't ready though. Needs to get more of the ball. Maybe second half of the season
Pedersen was average. Did a few good things but was quiet for most of the game.
Fitzy was our best big man IMO. His numbers surprise me, felt like he had it more. Beaten in a contest once or twice but otherwise at least broke even in contests, took a few great grabs in defence, used the ball as well as anyone. Could be used as a back up ruck and to cover Sandilands or Clarke when they go forward.
Rohan Bail 1 goals 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 handballs 2 marks 2 tackles 44 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 8 disposals 3 kicks 5 handballs 3 marks 30 dream team points
Max Gawn 7 disposals 1 kicks 6 handballs 3 tackles 26 hit outs 48 dream team points
Jack Grimes 19 disposals 12 kicks 7 handballs 4 marks 9 tackles 97 dream team points
James Harmes 1 goal 2 behinds 19 disposals 8 kicks 11 handballs 2 marks 6 tackles 78 dream team points
Matt Jones 1 behind 19 disposals 10 kicks 9 handballs 4 marks 6 tackles 80 team points
Jordie McKenzie 20 disposals 13 kicks 7 handballs 2 marks 5 tackles 66 dream team points
Cam Pedersen 3 goals 13 disposals 6 kicks 7 handballs 5 marks 3 tackles 68 dream team points
Aidan Riley 1 behind 23 disposals 5 kicks 18 handballs 3 marks 7 tackles 83 dream team points
Jake Spencer 18 disposals 8 kicks 10 handballs 6 marks 2 tackles 28 hit outs dream 92 team points
Billy Stretch 1 goal 1 behind 16 disposals 8 kicks 8 handballs 3 marks 7 tackles 82 dream team points
Dean Terlich 15 disposals 13 kicks 2 handballs 2 marks 6 tackles 72 dream team points
Jimmy Toumpas 1 behind 27 disposals 18 kicks 9 handballs 6 marks 6 tackles 109 dream team points
B: Hutchins Panozza Munro
HB:
Terlich Fitzpatrick GrimesC:
Stretch Gent
ToumpasHF:
M Jones Pedersen BailF: Scott
Spencer Smith
FOLL:
Gawn McKenzie RileyI/C: (from)
Harmes Moncrieff Morris Muir Pattison Plummer Rosier Walmsley
White
Good output from the Toump!
Yeah can't complain with 27.
Quote from: elephants on April 29, 2015, 01:14:38 PM
Good output from the Toump!
Was very ineffective by foot though
Not what you want to see from someone whose game revolves around their ability to deliver pinpoint passes
Quote from: Big Mac on April 29, 2015, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 29, 2015, 01:14:38 PM
Good output from the Toump!
Was very ineffective by foot though
Not what you want to see from someone whose game revolves around their ability to deliver pinpoint passes
Hmm, thats slightly disappointing. Still, good to see him finding the pill. As he gets more confident he should start taking his time and becoming more aware out there and nailing those passes.
Well, sounds like Grimes is a shoe-in, which is good, as I thought he was hard done by not being in our round 1 team.
I still stand by having Toumpas be a VFL player for the whole year, take the pressure off him entirely.
Stretch continues to impress...
Gawn has been the most disappointing this year for me.
Harmes had a decent match!
I'd like to see Riley back in the team at some stage
He goes so hard it's really fun to watch
Just a bit of a side note really, but Melbourne lead the comp in tackles and rank 2nd for frees against.
Quote from: Barra13 on May 01, 2015, 06:46:21 PM
Just a bit of a side note really, but Melbourne lead the comp in tackles and rank 2nd for frees against.
The tackle count both surprises me and fills me with great pride.
The other doesn't. Especially after the atrocity of the umpires against Richmond.
Could I take a guess and say Brisbane is 1st in frees against? I always seem to observe that they get hard done by.
Bloomin Bulldogs, first they continue to take away our thunder about being an improved side, NOW, they beat the swans and WE have to cop an angry swans outfit next week ::)
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 02, 2015, 10:46:15 PM
Bloomin Bulldogs, first they continue to take away our thunder about being an improved side, NOW, they beat the swans and WE have to cop an angry swans outfit next week ::)
Look on the bright side
Hawks might be missing both Hodge and Lewis when we play them :)
Quote from: Big Mac on May 02, 2015, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 02, 2015, 10:46:15 PM
Bloomin Bulldogs, first they continue to take away our thunder about being an improved side, NOW, they beat the swans and WE have to cop an angry swans outfit next week ::)
Look on the bright side
Hawks might be missing both Hodge and Lewis when we play them :)
Yeah I did think of that lol
Not going to help you :P
To sum it up, Freo > Dees
Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
To sum it up, Freo > Dees
Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
It was fun while it lasted Pedo :P
Quote from: roo boys! on May 03, 2015, 05:27:21 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
To sum it up, Freo > Dees
Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
It was fun while it lasted Pedo :P
He could still stay in
Would require a big statement though - Not sure if Roos is willing to make it
Ugh, I think this was the last game McKenzie has played for us.
I thought Big Cam was OK, so there is hope... depends if we wanna go tall against the Swans.
Was our worst game this year. But it was against a really, really good team. So I'm willing to overlook it and keep the eyes on the bigger picture.
When will Gawn come in? I admire Jamar's single handed effort in the ruck this season but surely Gawn has got to come in at some stage as a resting forward. He's the 3rd tallest player in the AFL.
I don't think he needs to come in, but I think he should have the opportunity to develop against at the top level - even though his VFL performances have been substandard. Too much of an asset tbh
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 10:40:22 PM
When will Gawn come in? I admire Jamar's single handed effort in the ruck this season but surely Gawn has got to come in at some stage as a resting forward. He's the 3rd tallest player in the AFL.
I don't think he needs to come in, but I think he should have the opportunity to develop against at the top level - even though his VFL performances have been substandard. Too much of an asset tbh
Had a shocking game last week but I think he kicked 3 today so improving a bit
The thing that worries me is that he just doesn't impose himself enough on the contest. You are right I think about getting him to develop at AFL level - I think one of the main issues is that playing in the VFL he is just so flowering tall that he really doesn't need to have good body work or be able to postion himself well. He just kind of stands there and outstretches his arms - which obviously won't work at AFL level
I quite liked the two-pronged forward set up with a bunch of smalls around though
Well it will be hard at selection this week. Big Pedobear was pretty good I thought. But then you have Dawes, Jetta and maybe Viney is ready to go too.
Ok, lets imagine all three were available this week, what are the changes?
I reckon Grimes shouldn't be dropped, not yet anyway.
Well, McKenzie would make way for someone.
Would Newton make way for Viney? He has been playing well yes, but I reckon Michie has been pretty good.
Perhaps Watts makes way for Dawes?
I see alot of people calling for Watts' to be dropped. I wouldn't do it, but everyone has their own opinion. He was dropped a couple of years ago IIRC? I think the team is stronger with him in it. I like when he is more daring. Getting the hands from someone around the 50 and unloading. Thats what I like to see from him.
For me it'd be:
Out: Mckenzie, Salem (Concussion)
In: Viney, Dawes
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 04, 2015, 04:17:41 PM
Ok, lets imagine all three were available this week, what are the changes?
I reckon Grimes shouldn't be dropped, not yet anyway.
Well, McKenzie would make way for someone.
Would Newton make way for Viney? He has been playing well yes, but I reckon Michie has been pretty good.
Perhaps Watts makes way for Dawes?
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 05:36:29 PM
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To sum it up, Freo > Dees
Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
It was fun while it lasted Pedo :P
He could still stay in
Would require a big statement though - Not sure if Roos is willing to make it
Snapshot to Round 5, 2015.
Note: Rankings based on player averages (ie., played at least 2 games or more this season)
Top 5 Rankings
Contested (average per game)
1. Tyson (9.8)
2. Jones (9.4)
2. Cross (9.4)
4. Vandenberg (9.2)
5. Newton (8.0)
Uncontested
1. Viney (15.0)
2. Cross (11.6)
3. Michie (11.5)
4. McDonald (11.4)
5. Jones (10.8)
Effective Disposals
1. Cross (14.8)
2. McDonald (14.6)
3. Viney (14.0)
4. Howe (13.6)
5. Michie (13.5)
Effective Disposal % (Best)
1. Howe (81.1%)
2. Dunn (80.3%)
3. Garland (80.2%)
4. McDonald (78.0%)
5. Lumumba (76.9%)
Note: AFL Team Average 72.8% (Excluding MFC). Highest % >> Dockers 79.3 , Lowest % >> Demons 68.6
Effective Disposal % (Worst)
1. Frost (46.8%)
2. Vandenberg (53.9%)
3. Garlett (54.0%)
4. Kent (56.7%)
5. JKH (59.4%)
Clearances
1. Tyson (5.2)
2. Viney (4.5)
2. Vince (4.5)
4 Cross (3.6)
5 Jones (3.2)
Tackles
1. Viney (7.5)
2. Vandenberg (5.6)
3. Brayshaw (5.6)
4. Garlett (4.80)
5. Vince (4.75)
Contested Marks
1. Hogan (2.6)
2. McDonald (1.6)
3. Salem (1.2)
4. Howe (1.0)
5. Jamar (0.8)
Whats going on with NJones atm boys? His numbers are way down
There was a little rumour going around he was having an issue with a shoulder/back issue, but looks to be over that now.
A lot of the top stat getters in these are major surprises for me...
For example, Jack Viney the highest average uncontested possessions? Good to see!
Hogans' stat continues to amaze. Is he still number one for contested marks in the AFL?
Hogan is still outright 1st for contested marks in front of Bruce, Fyfe and Hooker.
Tom is 3rd in One-Percenters, 10th in marks, 1st in rebound 50s and just in the top 20 in contested marks. Pretty impressive
Viney's a gun
We need him back real soon
Can anyone offer some insight into why Lumumba tagged Fyfe on the weekend?
Surely he's too good to be tagging, chuck him on ball and let him run riot Roosy!
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Can anyone offer some insight into why Lumumba tagged Fyfe on the weekend?
Surely he's too good to be tagging, chuck him on ball and let him run riot Roosy!
Crossy too slow
Viney injured (probably not tall enough anyway)
Mckenzie - sub for some stupid reason
Vince not a real defensive/tagger type player (also just doesn't have the pace/strength to go with Fyfe)
Lumumba (quick, strong, relatively decent contested game and can compete reasonably well in the air) - Definitely needed him in the backline though, especially after Salem went down. Just couldn't let Fyfe run riot though
Jonesy also appears to be carrying some sort of injury so a run-with role was going to be pretty unlikely
Yeah Mckenzie as the sub was a stupid decision. I would have rather him run with Hill all game or something.
I've quite liked Michie's two games this year... I think he is starting to remind us all of what he has to offer. Is is out of contract isn't he?
Jetta still out this week :-\
Quote from: Big Mac on May 06, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Jetta still out this week :-\
Damn :-\ he's surprisingly important for us.
Not quite in the form he was last year though that would have got him an All-Aus nomination had he played every game...
I always get the strangest of looks when I tell people that :P
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Quote from: Big Mac on May 06, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Jetta still out this week :-\
Damn :-\ he's surprisingly important for us.
Not quite in the form he was last year though that would have got him an All-Aus nomination had he played every game...
I always get the strangest of looks when I tell people that :P
Yep he kept a few big names quiet last year - Most people wouldn't have a clue who most team's small defenders are though
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 10:40:22 PM
When will Gawn come in? I admire Jamar's single handed effort in the ruck this season but surely Gawn has got to come in at some stage as a resting forward. He's the 3rd tallest player in the AFL.
I don't think he needs to come in, but I think he should have the opportunity to develop against at the top level - even though his VFL performances have been substandard. Too much of an asset tbh
Had a shocking game last week but I think he kicked 3 today so improving a bit
The thing that worries me is that he just doesn't impose himself enough on the contest. You are right I think about getting him to develop at AFL level - I think one of the main issues is that playing in the VFL he is just so flowering tall that he really doesn't need to have good body work or be able to postion himself well. He just kind of stands there and outstretches his arms - which obviously won't work at AFL level
I quite liked the two-pronged forward set up with a bunch of smalls around though
He's basically a better version of Robert Warnock hahaha
Yeah, like Warnock, he can't solely rely on his height at AFL level. I think Roos is going to make him work for it because he's the sort of coach who 1) gets the players 'in form'; and then 2) only selects those who are 'in form'. He is good at catching out 'coasters' (unlike Leppa who thinks he is good at it hahaha)
Also, what is going on with JKH's confidence in front of goals this season. It seems he never wants to take the shot himself (nothing more irritating than a professional athlete who won't back themselves in), & when he passes it off it just results in a turnover. He's a talented player and I've seen him score plenty of shots with ease. Just doesn't seem to be happening this season and even when he does go for the shot he hesitates (obviously the worst thing you can do if you intend to score).
He's doing quite well as a burst player in the midfield, my only criticisms are that he needs to work on his disposal efficiency and his confidence in front of the goals (he is perfectly capable of scoring so his shot accuracy isn't the issue)
Interesting note PSK, JKH hasn't grabbed my attention this year, but now that you mention it, you are right.
I'm putting it down to being a second year player still finding that fine balance between taking the game on and doing the team thing, especially as the team was accused as selfish from Roos about the freo game.
He hasn't been our best this year, but nor our worst. He's been damaging in patches, just like Kent and Garlett have been, I just assumed it to be how all small forwards play haha.
Not sure if you guys heard but Stretch was the emergency last week
Must be closer to a debut than I thought
Quote from: Big Mac on May 07, 2015, 05:39:15 PM
Not sure if you guys heard but Stretch was the emergency last week
Must be closer to a debut than I thought
Yeah I did notice that... every time I hear something about him, it's always been in a positive light. Like, he is exceeding everyone's expectations. It was also good to read today that his best mate Neal-Bullen had a pretty good first match for the VFL seniors; 21 disposals to go with his 9 tackles! It's great to see so many of our young players tackling!
4 changes this week!
Wow that's massive for Roos
In: Dawes, Spence, Toumpas, Stretch
Out: Jamar, Grimes, Mckenzie, Michie
Hopefully Spencer can take this chance with both hands
Hopefully Toumpas isnt the sub
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH
Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 07, 2015, 07:33:44 PM
Hopefully Toumpas isnt the sub
I hope so to.
Because hopefully that would mean he would be a late withdrawal :P
Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH
Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha
Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!
But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
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Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH
Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha
Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!
But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha
Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH
Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha
Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!
But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha
Oh GL, you're talking BS (Billy Stretch :P)
I get the feeling that Paul Roos doesn't like Grimes :P
He was one of their best during the club's dark era, but maybe that was his time. Might not be a strong player in an improving side. Hopefully that's not the case, I think he should be utilised as a rebounding halfback rather than a midfielder.
Jordie McKenzie... I'm surprised Roos hasn't delisted him yet. How has he been in the AFL for so long! haha
Stretch will be interesting to watch (a bargain in the draft)
Spencer looks to be the club second ruck (over Gawn who I drafted in the AmericaXVIIIs - but have Jamar as my secondary ruck to Lobbe), a lot of responsibility for him this week - Pyke is quite underrated. Why was Jamar omitted though, he was doing quite well considering the fact that he's 31 and the sole ruckman of the team (his season objective was to play every game this year :( ). It says omitted but I think that it has more to do with resting tbh
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 07, 2015, 07:51:05 PM
I get the feeling that Paul Roos doesn't like Grimes :P
He was one of their best during the club's dark era, but maybe that was his time. Might not be a strong player in an improving side. Hopefully that's not the case, I think he should be utilised as a rebounding halfback rather than a midfielder.
Jordie McKenzie... I'm surprised Roos hasn't delisted him yet. How has he been in the AFL for so long! haha
Stretch will be interesting to watch (a bargain in the draft)
Spencer looks to be the club second ruck (over Gawn who I drafted in the AmericaXVIIIs - but have Jamar as my secondary ruck to Lobbe), a lot of responsibility for him this week - Pyke is quite underrated. Why was Jamar omitted though, he was doing quite well considering the fact that he's 31 and the sole ruckman of the team (his season objective was to play every game this year :( ). It says omitted but I think that it has more to do with resting tbh
Spencer has been having some real high possession numbers in the VFL so hopefully he can bring it to AFL level as well. He needs a chance to show what he's got, and it's not going to be as a second-ruck. Jamar a bit unlucky - although he does need a rest after facing some tough opponents. Doesn't offer much around the ground either though which could be part of the reason.
Quote from: Big Mac on May 07, 2015, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 07, 2015, 07:51:05 PM
I get the feeling that Paul Roos doesn't like Grimes :P
He was one of their best during the club's dark era, but maybe that was his time. Might not be a strong player in an improving side. Hopefully that's not the case, I think he should be utilised as a rebounding halfback rather than a midfielder.
Jordie McKenzie... I'm surprised Roos hasn't delisted him yet. How has he been in the AFL for so long! haha
Stretch will be interesting to watch (a bargain in the draft)
Spencer looks to be the club second ruck (over Gawn who I drafted in the AmericaXVIIIs - but have Jamar as my secondary ruck to Lobbe), a lot of responsibility for him this week - Pyke is quite underrated. Why was Jamar omitted though, he was doing quite well considering the fact that he's 31 and the sole ruckman of the team (his season objective was to play every game this year :( ). It says omitted but I think that it has more to do with resting tbh
Spencer has been having some real high possession numbers in the VFL so hopefully he can bring it to AFL level as well. He needs a chance to show what he's got, and it's not going to be as a second-ruck. Jamar a bit unlucky - although he does need a rest after facing some tough opponents. Doesn't offer much around the ground either though which could be part of the reason.
I actually think Jamar was dropped; Spencer has just been too good at VFL this year. Jamar has been doing a good job, but his main criticism over his career has been that he doesn't do much around the ground... but I guess as long as you keep winning the taps, then that doesn't really matter. Despite this, I think Spencer has forced his way in through his ability to do more than Jamar, even though he is inferior in regards to tap-work.
Yeah I'll be keen to see how Jake Spencer goes, Pyke really dominated against the weak Roughead/Cordy.
Am also a little surprised that we have brought in BOTH Toumpas and Stretch, both of whom are physically on the light side, compared to the strong midfielders of Sydney.
I would have thought this is the sort of match Michie... even Riley would like.
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 08:08:26 PM
Am also a little surprised that we have brought in BOTH Toumpas and Stretch, both of whom are physically on the light side, compared to the strong midfielders of Sydney.
I would have thought this is the sort of match Michie... even Riley would like.
I guess we would be very one-paced with Michie and Riley in the side
Toumpas and Stretch would change things up a bit?
Quote from: Big Mac on May 07, 2015, 08:43:16 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 08:08:26 PM
Am also a little surprised that we have brought in BOTH Toumpas and Stretch, both of whom are physically on the light side, compared to the strong midfielders of Sydney.
I would have thought this is the sort of match Michie... even Riley would like.
I guess we would be very one-paced with Michie and Riley in the side
Toumpas and Stretch would change things up a bit?
Oh I wouldn't have both Michie/Riley, like I wouldn't have both Toumpas/Stretch
I probably would have kept Michie in the side and brought Stretch in. I still stand by that Toumpas shouldn't play AFL this year. I'm not saying I haven't totally given up on him, but at the moment, I reckon he will just keep on being brought in, have a disappointing match, get low on confidence, get dropped to VFL, which deflates him even more, and the cycle just repeats.
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH
Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha
Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!
But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha
Oh GL, you're talking BS (Billy Stretch :P)
I didn't name him on field and now he's not sub :'(
I blame you entirely Purps if I lose my match this week haha
Quote from: GoLions on May 09, 2015, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH
Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha
Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!
But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha
Oh GL, you're talking BS (Billy Stretch :P)
I didn't name him on field and now he's not sub :'(
I blame you entirely Purps if I lose my match this week haha
I'm sorry :'( I'm genuinely surprised :D
Can we still trade Howe for pick 7?
how has ANB been progressing?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
how has ANB been progressing?
Very well - no more trouble with the knee
Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
how has ANB been progressing?
Very well - no more trouble with the knee
Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes
cool i was thinking he might come in for Dyson
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Quote from: Big Mac on May 13, 2015, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
how has ANB been progressing?
Very well - no more trouble with the knee
Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes
cool i was thinking he might come in for Dyson
Dom Tyson should be playing this week, he won't miss any games, he just scared the sh*t out of everyone.
He could come in for the Toump though... every though I admit, he wasn't the worst against Sydney.
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 13, 2015, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 13, 2015, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on May 13, 2015, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
how has ANB been progressing?
Very well - no more trouble with the knee
Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes
cool i was thinking he might come in for Dyson
Dom Tyson should be playing this week, he won't miss any games, he just scared the sh*t out of everyone.
He could come in for the Toump though... every though I admit, he wasn't the worst against Sydney.
I actually didn't mind Toumpas - yeh he made mistakes, but he actually showed intent and a will to win the footy. I think he would benefit from a few weeks in the 1's. What about JKH out for Bail? JKH hasn't really offered much recently and we are really missing that forward pressure that Kent provided.
Yes, I agree with you that JKH hasn't been up to it and probably deserves to be dropped.
I suppose Bail does do that forward pressure stuff I guess... what if perhaps, say Stretch moved down there, and we brought Michie back in? I guess I'm trying to avoid having to play Bail :-X
Just had a look at the VFL stats and Gawn had 6 contested marks on the weekend :o
Michie just the 2 tackles though so on face value he might need to do a bit more defensively before he comes back into the team
Quote from: Big Mac on May 13, 2015, 10:50:29 PM
Just had a look at the VFL stats and Gawn had 6 contested marks on the weekend :o
Michie just the 2 tackles though so on face value he might need to do a bit more defensively before he comes back into the team
Ah true, true.
And that's the stat that will get Gawn into the team if he produces that for a month.
Don't panic B Mac, its not a injury!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-14/demon-petracca-set-to-sign-on-for-two-more-years
MELBOURNE'S No.2 draft pick Christian Petracca is set to sign a two-year contract extension, which will see him tied to the Demons to the end of 2018.
Trengove has been training hard with Petracca which is good to see as he is still a leader of the club and is acting like a mentor for him. It will be good for both of them training with each other.
Always love it when a player wants to commit to us 8)
Cheers Rico :D
Roos just said that Watts asked to be dropped for this game. Felt he was letting the team down in recent weeks
Well, at least we aren't Gold Coast....
Quote from: Big Mac on May 16, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
Well, at least we aren't Gold Coast....
Yet.
#goldcoastdemons
Melbourne Suns has a decent ring to it
I guess Carlton can take the name Demons, they are clearly battling some.
And the nerve of Jeff Kennett is amazing. Lost ALL respect I have for him, for a guy with his profile and media personality, he disgustingly used that simultaneously with ridiculous ignorance to kick melbourne while they're down.
Calling us a VFL club at best? You tosser. You absolute tosser. 1) There are 3 teams rightfully below us on the ladder. Take pot shots at them before us. 2) ALL of our losses (5) have been at the hands of current top 6 teams. That's the major reason why we're currently a bottom 4 team.
Being 2-5 doesn't do too much for our respect held by the competition... and most wouldn't realise that we have only lost to very good teams this year.
But then, you have the nerve to go and ensure we have zero respect by the competition as an AFL team, based on nothing but one bad performance. You absolute prick.
Sigh. That really annoyed me.
Yeh Purps I don't think anyone pays attention to him anymore
But Kennets eyes are only tiger stripes and he is too scared to grab a Tiger by the tail.
Kennett has always been an attention seeker. He himself admitted it all the time when Hawthorn kept losing to Geelong, just ignore the troll and move on
Keep in mind this is the guy that wanted Clarkson sacked.
Dawes needs to go - After his comments during the week he really needed to put in a big performance and he didn't. He gave us the same shower he's given us all year. I wonder if Roos has the balls
Quote from: Big Mac on May 17, 2015, 09:09:44 PM
Dawes needs to go - After his comments during the week he really needed to put in a big performance and he didn't. He gave us the same shower he's given us all year. I wonder if Roos has the balls
+1
Apparently, the Demonlanders picked up a couple of potential hints from Roos that he isn't pleased with Dawes... so with Hulk coming back next week, Pedersen sure as heck ain't being dropped... it really might be Dawes.
bit worried Vandenberg might get dropped
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 12:41:58 PM
bit worried Vandenberg might get dropped
Perhaps yeah. But it would be a rest, definitely not due to form.
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 12:41:58 PM
bit worried Vandenberg might get dropped
Perhaps yeah. But it would be a rest, definitely not due to form.
why not? been average last 2 weeks i think
Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week
yeah that was so dumb
"felt he was letting his mates down"
so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more
man up Watts
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week
yeah that was so dumb
"felt he was letting his mates down"
so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more
man up Watts
No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.
Nope, don't agree Big Mac.
If he was letting the team down, the coach would be the first to drop him.
Roos obviously felt he was in the best 22.
This isn't about the team, this is about him IMO. Though, I am speculating with absolutely no basis and could be completely wrong.
Watts has been in horrible form. I honestly doubt he was in the best 22. He almost had more disposals on the weekend than he has had in the past 3 weeks combined. If Watts can get into some form, and get his confidence back, the team will be much better off for it than if he had continued his current form in the ones.
Quote from: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
Watts has been in horrible form. I honestly doubt he was in the best 22. He almost had more disposals on the weekend than he has had in the past 3 weeks combined. If Watts can get into some form, and get his confidence back, the team will be much better off for it than if he had continued his current form in the ones.
I agree with that. I just feel Paul Roos is an experienced enough coach to make those decisions.
What I think happened:
Roos called Watts into his office, and said "Hey Jack, you're form isn't where we need it to be, what do you think we should do about it"
Watts: "I think I could use some time in the twos"
Roos: "Good idea Jack"
Quote from: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week
yeah that was so dumb
"felt he was letting his mates down"
so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more
man up Watts
No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.
no i'm not wrong i just have a different opinion then you
I'm fine with the player dropping himself if the coaching staff are fine with it, nothing wrong with the player wanting to take initiative.
See it pretty similarly to the Goodes sub decision. Obviously there's a massive difference between Watts vs. Goodes but if the coaches are fine with it then fans/supporters can't really argue imo
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Quote from: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week
yeah that was so dumb
"felt he was letting his mates down"
so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more
man up Watts
No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.
no i'm not wrong i just have a different opinion then you
You can have your opinion if you want, but suggesting that Watts is less of a 'man' for what he did is childish.
Zak Jones re-signs with Sydney :'(
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Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week
yeah that was so dumb
"felt he was letting his mates down"
so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more
man up Watts
No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.
no i'm not wrong i just have a different opinion then you
You can have your opinion if you want, but suggesting that Watts is less of a 'man' for what he did is childish.
funny coming from you guys after what you guys say about Mitch Clark
Those are in no way comparable situations lol
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Those are in no way comparable situations lol
not trying to say they are
just saying calling me childish for my opinion on this is funny when i know there opinion on Mitch Clark
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Zak Jones re-signs with Sydney :'(
To be honest, I thought he would re-sign with them. He looked like a guy that would tough it out and accept the challenge.
I reckon he's got Rhyce Shaw's spot eventually. Still, would have been nice, especially with the Sydney trade ban probably working in our favour i.e. just chuck a second rounder their way. Ah well.
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Those are in no way comparable situations lol
not trying to say they are
just saying calling me childish for my opinion on this is funny when i know there opinion on Mitch Clark
So you're saying my opinion on Mitch Clark is childish? You can disagree with mine and Purp's opinion on Mitch Clark all you want, but I've yet to see a single legitimate argument trying to prove otherwise
Also interesting to see Josh Kelly is apparently Salem's BFF according to Demonland.
I think I remember hearing that at draft time actually. I'd happily trade a player + our first rounder for him, if he wanted to come back home.
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Also interesting to see Josh Kelly is apparently Salem's BFF according to Demonland.
I think I remember hearing that at draft time actually. I'd happily trade a player + our first rounder for him, if he wanted to come back home.
The Roos vs Beveridge discussion on there is pretty interesting. Makes you wonder if there is more Roos should be doing. Losing to the Hawks isn't the end of the world though, as some make it seem
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Also interesting to see Josh Kelly is apparently Salem's BFF according to Demonland.
I think I remember hearing that at draft time actually. I'd happily trade a player + our first rounder for him, if he wanted to come back home.
The Roos vs Beveridge discussion on there is pretty interesting. Makes you wonder if there is more Roos should be doing. Losing to the Hawks isn't the end of the world though, as some make it seem
Oh lord, the people over there... saying they want Roos sacked? Unbelievable.
People seem to forget we have literally just played possibly the 3 best teams in a row, to be honest, a 100 point loss isn't a huge surprise.
But I do relate... why can't we have our coach have an instant effect like Hinkley and Beveridge? But even then, Roos had a much worst list to inherit than either of those teams, and really has transformed the team. The results only look the same as previous years, because we have played the best teams. I'm not going down the "all hope is lost" path just yet.
Yet the same people who now want Roos sacked, will be the same people that will say Melbourne will win a premiership, when we win our next game.
People ::)
Beveridge definitely had a better list to inherit, courtesy of McCartney, which is why I'm so happy we have him right now. He'll definitely be around the mark for a senior coaching gig at the end of the year though, especially if Carlton and GC don't pick up their game. What I'm more worried about is the game day coaching. Did Roos make a single coaching move against Hawthorn? Just to try something? All I've noticed him do in the last 3 weeks is occasionally put a spare man back, and move Lumumba to Fyfe a couple weeks ago
That's a good point yeah. I guess, maybe, he is just trying to put out a consistent and trustworthy plan/brand every week, and is perhaps worried what a deviation might do to the players confidences?
I dunno. It is a concern. Still, I have total and utter faith in our off-field crew, and Roos is the head of that for me.
Had another gander at Demonland (I really should stop).
Gee. It's June 2013 over there atm, it's ridiculous.
I still firmly believe we are on track for 8 wins (so 6 more) this season.
Yeh still think we have another 4 games we will go in as favourites in and then just need to pinch 2 more, probably against the pies and the dogs who we play twice this year or even essendon/port etc who we played well against last year
Love the new pic by the way
They keep getting better every time :P
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Love the new pic by the way
They keep getting better every time :P
Haha lol, its because I keep finding better and better ones :P
I saw it in the herald sun today, and it really is breathtaking... If this one EVER gets replaced, it would mean there would have to be a new shot with ecstasy-levels of awesomeness haha, if that isn't alreay :P
Although, it might get a temporary change if a Demon stands up particularly well in any given week... Brayshaw's rising star nomination for example :P
I still can't stop staring at your gif whenever I see you post somewhere btw, I find myself AT LEAST watching it 3 times.
Jamar went down in the 2nd tonight and Gawn took on the ruck work full time. Not only did he beat Hampson in the ruck, but he also had 20 disposals and managed to kick 3 goals. Very promising signs
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Jamar went down in the 2nd tonight and Gawn took on the ruck work full time. Not only did he beat Hampson in the ruck, but he also had 20 disposals and managed to kick 3 goals. Very promising signs
That sounds like the game we have been waiting for gawn to play all year, very good to hear! Shame about Russian though.
What a game, what a win
Exciting footy
As a side note, Dawes must not come in this week. I will crack the showers if he does
Seriously guys, how good was Pedo? 8)
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Seriously guys, how good was Pedo? 8)
Might've been first round last year when he first played forward for us, and I was just like "oh my god, why did we recruit this spud". He's come a long way since 8)
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Seriously guys, how good was Pedo? 8)
Might've been first round last year when he first played forward for us, and I was just like "oh my god, why did we recruit this spud". He's come a long way since 8)
Round 1 last year, it was him that I resented the most.
Now, I'm a big fan :D
And yes, I too, will crack the showers if Dawes comes in.
Only M.Jones and Bail would be in danger yeah?
Hogamania
So Port next week
Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance
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So Port next week
Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance
Our opposition always seems to be on the rebound off a loss ::)
I most certainly think we are a chance; we should have beaten them twice last year. Especially if Viney and Jetta get up.
At Alice Springs... any advantage in that?
The Tree to make another appearance!
Also, how good was Fitzy! He beat his opponent so convincingly that he was subbed off
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The Tree to make another appearance!
the treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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The Tree to make another appearance!
the treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Possible downgrade target this week?
Lol, I love the Tree!
And yeah Fitzy! I though his career was finished at the start of the year... I know it's only one game, but maybe he has a role in the team now?
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So Port next week
Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance
Our opposition always seems to be on the rebound off a loss ::)
I most certainly think we are a chance; we should have beaten them twice last year. Especially if Viney and Jetta get up.
At Alice Springs... any advantage in that?
Honestly, (of course supporters don't want to be too complacent) as a Power support I would tip Melbourne to win. The way we have played over the last 3 weeks has been bottom 3 quality. Melbourne has a strong defence and doesn't seem to have trouble scoring. The Power's forward line just hasn't been able to convert (really frustrating).
I think it will be a battle nonetheless, but I think the hunters will want it more than the hunted (it's not a question of need/ it's a question of which team is willing to work for it (& the work ethic of both sides have been polar opposites)
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So Port next week
Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance
Our opposition always seems to be on the rebound off a loss ::)
I most certainly think we are a chance; we should have beaten them twice last year. Especially if Viney and Jetta get up.
At Alice Springs... any advantage in that?
Honestly, (of course supporters don't want to be too complacent) as a Power support I would tip Melbourne to win. The way we have played over the last 3 weeks has been bottom 3 quality. Melbourne has a strong defence and doesn't seem to have trouble scoring. The Power's forward line just hasn't been able to convert (really frustrating).
I think it will be a battle nonetheless, but I think the hunters will want it more than the hunted (it's not a question of need/ it's a question of which team is willing to work for it (& the work ethic of both sides have been polar opposites)
I'm very confident you guys will find your rhythm again, I just hope it's not next week :P
Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.
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Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.
M. Jones was good
Bail may have done alright as a defensive forward, but he only had one disposal to half time. Just not good enough when guys like Viney and Jetta are knocking on the door.
Viney and Jetta the ins surely, with Tyson getting another week to get himself right for the QB clash. Not sure who comes out though, Bail and who else?
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Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.
M. Jones was good
Bail may have done alright as a defensive forward, but he only had one disposal to half time. Just not good enough when guys like Viney and Jetta are knocking on the door.
Viney and Jetta the ins surely, with Tyson getting another week to get himself right for the QB clash. Not sure who comes out though, Bail and who else?
Maybe M.Jones still? Whether its concussion related or not?
Riley I guess could be unlucky.
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Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.
M. Jones was good
Bail may have done alright as a defensive forward, but he only had one disposal to half time. Just not good enough when guys like Viney and Jetta are knocking on the door.
Viney and Jetta the ins surely, with Tyson getting another week to get himself right for the QB clash. Not sure who comes out though, Bail and who else?
Maybe M.Jones still? Whether its concussion related or not?
Riley I guess could be unlucky.
I'd like M. Jones to play a similar role on Pittard this week. Think Nev also has to come in and take Wingard. Hard one to pick
Was reading Demonland, and a poster read this on BigFooty from a port supporter:
Quote"Melbourne Vs Port Adelaide 43pts - Paul Roos was one of the first coaches to figure out our gameplan and only now has the rest of the competition adapted to his findings. What he may further have in store is frightening. They almost pipped us twice last year even when we had most of our best team in. Loss of trengove we have a poor record aswell as the flair of Hogan. It's not going to be good for port."
I got huge enjoyment reading that. It's rare for an opposition team to rate us, even just for one match.
Interesting Purps. Will be keen to see if he is correct.
Must admit there's a fair bit of excitement about Melbourne now
Yeh it's good to see the Dee's finding a bit, GWS are up and about now Bulldogs have played some good footy, Saints improving Lions will get themselves sorted soon it's not a bad list but missing a couple of key outs from injury at the minute their better than they've shown i think. GC have gone backwards to go forwards if we believe Rocket and injuries have nullified their year also they to are better than they've shown. Hopefully Carlton can make quick time in their rebuild . The comp is getting stronger which makes for better footy for all of us fans of the game. Been awhile coming but it's getting there.
Melbourne injury list: round nine
Chris Dawes (calf) â€" test
Sam Frost (toe) â€" 4-6 weeks
Neville Jetta (concussion) â€" available
Jay Kennedy-Harris (groin) â€" 2 weeks
Dean Kent (hamstring) â€" 6 weeks
Christian Petracca (knee) â€" season
Christian Salem (hamstring) â€" 2 weeks
Jack Trengove (foot) â€" season
Dom Tyson (knee) â€" test
Jack Viney (fibula) â€" available
Start of the year we were really healthy, but seemed to get an injury a week :-\
However, our depth seems to be returning somewhat.
I heard an interesting suggestion from Demonland... perhaps we should rest Gus this week, which would make way for Tyson (assuming Viney and Jetta come in for Bail and M.Jones)
Honestly, the Demons have shown that they have improved. Last season they fell apart after a big loss.
To go from 3 losses (two of which were thrashing) to more than convincingly beat a strong bulldogs outfit is incredible. The 3 losses where to the top 3 teams and expected. I would say the Demons are competing for the 8 this season and should be a frontrunner as a top 8 contender next year. The game against the Bulldogs was their biggest test to see if they could hold together (i.e. remain consistent) and they passed with flying colours. Congrats Paul Roos, only took one year to fix a team that was deemed unfix-able. Should give the next Carlton coach hope.
Wishing my side had the Demons' resilience atm :-\
Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.
And to think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
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Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.
And to think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!
Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha
Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)
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Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.
And to think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!
Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha
Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)
Lol, that's what I was thinking too! Some sane people over at Demonland said just that, then got crucified by the others saying "Excuses, excuses, excuses. We will always be a bad club blah blah blah".
Well, for one, they're not excuses. It's the truth. We weren't gonna beat any of those teams, so lets just stop expecting to beat all three of them and cut our wrists when we don't, and start to look at the reality of the situation.
Still, although what these people were saying was half-pathetic, the other half was pretty darn funny haha.
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Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.
And to think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!
Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha
Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)
Lol, that's what I was thinking too! Some sane people over at Demonland said just that, then got crucified by the others saying "Excuses, excuses, excuses. We will always be a bad club blah blah blah".
Well, for one, they're not excuses. It's the truth. We weren't gonna beat any of those teams, so lets just stop expecting to beat all three of them and cut our wrists when we don't, and start to look at the reality of the situation.
Still, although what these people were saying was half-pathetic, the other half was pretty darn funny haha.
Some of the things people were saying before the dogs game really had me questioning why they are even still supporters
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Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.
And to think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!
Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha
Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)
Lol, that's what I was thinking too! Some sane people over at Demonland said just that, then got crucified by the others saying "Excuses, excuses, excuses. We will always be a bad club blah blah blah".
Well, for one, they're not excuses. It's the truth. We weren't gonna beat any of those teams, so lets just stop expecting to beat all three of them and cut our wrists when we don't, and start to look at the reality of the situation.
Still, although what these people were saying was half-pathetic, the other half was pretty darn funny haha.
Some of the things people were saying before the dogs game really had me questioning why they are even still supporters
I don't understand why supporters complain when the only empirical changes in the team is improvement. I think this should be a happier time for Demons supporters. Next year will be the test (will have to equal or beat this seasons progress), this season has been nothing but positives for the club imo. Carlton supporters should be the only ones complaining tbh - even GCS would be doing well this season if it weren't for their injury list
I'll just leave this here..... ;D
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-youngster-jesse-hogan-delivers-the-sledge-of-the-season/story-fndv7pj3-1227374403584
Continuing on from another thread, Big Mac and my boy Hulk gets the Rising Star nomination :D
I also think Brayshaw probably deserved it on the day, but I have a feeling consistency was key for Hulk's nomination.
I also genuinely believe he is a great chance to take the award out. Heeney going down certainly helped his cause, who are the other main threats?
Oh, consistency and his AMAZING first half of the second quarter against the Power. It was just magnificent.
Cripps and McCarthy the main competitors
Hogan is far better than McCarthy, takes way more marks and gets involved much more. McCarthy will probably kick more goals though with Cameron taking the no. 1 defender - Hopefully the selectors take this into account
Cripps is another who has been really consistent. Not getting the midfield minutes he needs though which I think will see him down the pecking order a bit
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Cripps and McCarthy the main competitors
Hogan is far better than McCarthy, takes way more marks and gets involved much more. McCarthy will probably kick more goals though with Cameron taking the no. 1 defender - Hopefully the selectors take this into account
Cripps is another who has been really consistent. Not getting the midfield minutes he needs though which I think will see him down the pecking order a bit
I would say
1. Hogan
2. McCarthy
3. Cripps
However I'm surprised Touk Miller hasn't done enough to receive a nomination yet. I would have him placed in equal 3rd with Cripps atm. The longer Heeney is out, the less likely a win for him will be. Brayshaw is another contender, however at this point I only see Hogan or McCarthy winning it (would easily give Jogan the benefit of the doubt)
Hogan will win it
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I'll just leave this here..... ;D
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-youngster-jesse-hogan-delivers-the-sledge-of-the-season/story-fndv7pj3-1227374403584
Haha, that is awesome.
Looks like Gawn to play ruck this week and Spencer to be dropped :o
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Looks like Gawn to play ruck this week and Spencer to be dropped :o
Yeah... wow.
Good to see Newton in the 18 too.
ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side
Tyson with 33 as well
4 point win by the way
Sign of things to come? :P
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Looks like Gawn to play ruck this week and Spencer to be dropped :o
No...NoNo..NoNoNo...Nooooooooo
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ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side
Tyson with 33 as well
Whoo! ANB!
Am surprised Tyson played VFL tbh. Would have though if he was fit, he would be an automatic selection.
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ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side
Tyson with 33 as well
Whoo! ANB!
Am surprised Tyson played VFL tbh. Would have though if he was fit, he would be an automatic selection.
Yeh seemed very odd
Surely even a 95% fit Tyson is better than Riley/Newton etc
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ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side
Tyson with 33 as well
Yes some good numbers there;
Rohan Bail 2 goals 2 behinds 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 5 marks 75 dream team points
James Harmes 20 disposals 10 kicks 10 handballs 9 marks 5 tackles 84 dream team points
Mark Jamar 1 goal 1 behind 20 disposals 14 kicks 6 handballs 7 marks 1 tackles 20 hit outs 101 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 18 disposals 6 kicks 12 handballs 4 marks 1 tackle 58 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 22 disposals 5 kicks 17 handballs 5 marks 4 tackles 77 dream team points
Viv Michie 1 goal 28 disposals 12 kicks 16 handballs 6 marks 3 tackles 103 dream team points
Alex Neal-Bullen 1 behind 34 disposals 21 kicks 13 handballs 4 marks 5 tackles 123 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind 10 disposals 4 kicks 6 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 26 hit outs dream 76 team points
Billy Stretch 1 behind 21 disposals 9 kicks 12 handballs 5 marks 4 tackles 81 dream team points
Dean Terlich 29 disposals 16 kicks 13 handballs 6 marks 5 tackles 109 dream team points
Dom Tyson 33 disposals 12 kicks 21 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 1 hit out 101 dream team points
Mitch White 15 disposals 9 kicks 6 handballs 4 marks 1 tackle 52 dream team points
Harmes, ANB and Jamar my highlights in that group, cheers for the stats barra!
Thoughts on Gawn today? Will he hold his spot?
I thought he did a good job provided that his first senior call up of the year was to a game of that magnitude. What are the chances Roos keeps him because I think he has the physique and just needs the senior experience until he can become a ruck similar to Sandilands
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Thoughts on Gawn today? Will he hold his spot?
I thought he did a good job provided that his first senior call up of the year was to a game of that magnitude. What are the chances Roos keeps him because I think he has the physique and just needs the senior experience until he can become a ruck similar to Sandilands
tbh I didn't really like Gawn's game that much
I was at the game so I wasn't really doing much analysing, but he seemed to have a fair few of his hitouts sharked and then made some poor decisions around the ground - Needs to learn when to go for a mark and when to spoil especially
He will keep his spot for the next few weeks though
Apparently there is a good chance Viney has fractured his leg again....
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Apparently there is a good chance Viney has fractured his leg again....
That kid is one of the toughest I've seen. If he wasn't a father-son pick I'd have him pegged for a top 5 selection at the draft
Yeah, he was a bargain at pick 26 or whatever it was.
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Apparently there is a good chance Viney has fractured his leg again....
That kid is one of the toughest I've seen. If he wasn't a father-son pick I'd have him pegged for a top 5 selection at the draft
Was bidded on at 7, definitely grateful he slipped past Pick 3 that year, his attack on the ball is the second most attractive thing about our team... behind every centimetre of Hogan :P
Would really suck if he did his leg again :'(
Also, I thought Gawn did some good things... and bad. I noticed a few masterful hitouts actually Mac, and I reckon it was a large reason for Jones' dominance in the second quarter IMO, Vince too.
But, I remember him dropping a few marks that he just can't afford to drop :-\ it's really hard to split Spencer and Gawn tbh.
I actually liked Gawn over Spencer and that's saying something for me. His height advantage was definitely a help and he did have some very nice taps going on.
Changes I'd like to see this week are;
Out: vandenBerg (injured - hamstring), MJones, Viney (if injured)
In: Grimes, Tyson, Neal-Bullen/Stretch (Sub for Viney if injured)
I did have a chuckle at this post from Demonland;
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Selection criteria:
Are you fit?
Are you quick?
Can you tackle and chase?
Is your name anything other than Rohan Bail or Matt Jones?
If you answered yes to the above 4 questions then you can get a game on a half forward flank for Melbourne.
You guys could be right. It's hard to see the ruckman when they've got their backs to you half the time so it's very possible I am wrong about his tap work
From what I am reading it looks like it is just a corkie for Viney which is good news.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 12:34:54 PM
I did have a chuckle at this post from Demonland;
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Selection criteria:
Are you fit?
Are you quick?
Can you tackle and chase?
Is your name anything other than Rohan Bail or Matt Jones?
If you answered yes to the above 4 questions then you can get a game on a half forward flank for Melbourne.
Lol
Quote from: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 01:42:29 PM
From what I am reading it looks like it is just a corkie for Viney which is good news.
Good news.
Fitzy seems to be doing well in his new role as a defender... apart from the tunnel-ball incident.
Are you guys happy with how he's doing?
Quote from: Nige on June 09, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Fitzy seems to be doing well in his new role as a defender... apart from the tunnel-ball incident.
Are you guys happy with how he's doing?
He had a bad game against Port, but apart from that and the tunnel ball, yeah I've been pleasantly surprised about him this year. I'd be willing to give him another 1-2 year contract.
Also, Brayshaw rising star nomination! How good was he?!
I thought Gawn played well against Grundy! Similar to Sandilands, his height will always be a huge advantage for HO's. But similar to Sandi, I think he was easily outplayed around the ground.
Brayshaw very deserving of a RS nomination at last :)
Brayshaw is going to be a beast. His kick after 3 huge efforts to Fitzy I think it was into the 50 above Pendles head was a genius decision.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 05:29:29 PM
Brayshaw is going to be a beast. His kick after 3 huge efforts to Fitzy I think it was into the 50 above Pendles head was a genius decision.
He is amazing. Whenever he gets the ball it's just like the game slows down for him. And when he makes mistakes he sticks the tackle almost immediately and makes sure we break even on it
He is such a good tackler too! I think that's an underrated skill in the AFL. They just seem to stick.
Was almost tempted to switch my Hogan pic to Gus, just for this week, but then I looked in Jesse's eyes...
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.
Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday
Quote from: My Chumps on June 09, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.
Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday
I thought he did alright too. Has been improving steadily over the past few weeks which is good to see. Makes some errors which can be frustrating but he is moving in the right direction. I think he learns a lot more at AFL level so he should stay there for now
I do know purps gets frustrated with him but even so, I'd much rather him in the side than M. Jones/Bail/Mckenzie etc, who would likely be the ones taking his spot
Quote from: My Chumps on June 09, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.
Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday
When he is not on your WXVs list, take another look at his game :P
Quote from: Big Mac on June 09, 2015, 10:24:05 PM
I'd much rather him in the side than M. Jones/Bail/Mckenzie etc, who would likely be the ones taking his spot
I do too. But I can't help but notice you named our worst 3 players on our list :-X
Well, aside from Terlich I guess.
This will be an interesting journey of debate along his career I feel between us Mac :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on June 09, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.
Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday
When he is not on your WXVs list, take another look at his game :P
Quote from: Big Mac on June 09, 2015, 10:24:05 PM
I'd much rather him in the side than M. Jones/Bail/Mckenzie etc, who would likely be the ones taking his spot
I do too. But I can't help but notice you named our worst 3 players on our list :-X
Well, aside from Terlich I guess.
This will be an interesting journey of debate along his career I feel between us Mac :P
Haha - Who else is fit and able to come into the side though? I am assuming Tyson is already in for VandenBerg and ANB is ahead of M. Jones
On that note - ANB for his debut this week?
Surely he's better than Riley too. Was thoroughly unimpressed by him on the weekend.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on June 09, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.
Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday
When he is not on your WXVs list, take another look at his game :P
I really thought he showed a bit :P
I'd be keen for an ANB debut this week for sure; gotta keep the rising star nomination streak going haha
I've liked what Harmes is doing in the VFL too. As a pressure-forward, would much prefer him over Bail.
God it would be nice to have Frost, Kent and Salem back with us now. What a difference that would make. They probably sound like nobody's to everyone else out there, but to Melbourne supporters they are very team lifting in the way they do things.
Quote from: My Chumps on June 10, 2015, 01:26:45 AM
Surely he's better than Riley too. Was thoroughly unimpressed by him on the weekend.
I have been unimpressed with Riley and Michie to be honest. :-X
Haha we need a tissue box in here with all the talk about Brayshaw!
Quote from: elephants on June 10, 2015, 12:57:10 PM
Haha we need a tissue box in here with all the talk about Brayshaw!
Haha I think you and Rico used them all when you were talking about Tom Mitchell
Quote from: Barra13 on June 10, 2015, 10:14:01 AM
God it would be nice to have Frost, Kent and Salem back with us now. What a difference that would make. They probably sound like nobody's to everyone else out there, but to Melbourne supporters they are very team lifting in the way they do things.
We lack pace so much it's ridiculous
Frost and Kent alone would make a massive difference
Quote from: elephants on June 10, 2015, 12:57:10 PM
Haha we need a tissue box in here with all the talk about Brayshaw!
Hand some tissues this way thanks. ;D
why waste any - it's great for your skin
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on June 10, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
why waste any - it's great for your skin
Everyone says this, is it legit? hahaha
Also, bit of a stretch here it's pretty interesting to think:
- you guys lost Scully to GWS and got pick 4 as compensation
- picked up Toumpas with pick 4
- the same draft you traded pick 3 for Hogan; would you have traded your only first rounder for a 17 year old if you didn't also have pick 4? Easy to say in retrospect but would've copped some criticism for the next season/two.
- Lachie Plowman was taken with pick 3
so basically you gave up Plowman + Scully for Hogan + Toumpas, and it was all triggered by Scully leaving.
Quote from: elephants on June 10, 2015, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on June 10, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
why waste any - it's great for your skin
Everyone says this, is it legit? hahaha
all my ex girlfriends have immaculate skin, coincidence? I think not
nah I got no idea man :P
Quote from: My Chumps on June 10, 2015, 04:44:55 PM
Also, bit of a stretch here it's pretty interesting to think:
- you guys lost Scully to GWS and got pick 4 as compensation
- picked up Toumpas with pick 4
- the same draft you traded pick 3 for Hogan; would you have traded your only first rounder for a 17 year old if you didn't also have pick 4? Easy to say in retrospect but would've copped some criticism for the next season/two.
- Lachie Plowman was taken with pick 3
so basically you gave up Plowman + Scully for Hogan + Toumpas, and it was all triggered by Scully leaving.
Would do 1 million times again
Imagine if it was Scully + Plowman for Hogan + Wines :P
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on June 10, 2015, 05:51:59 PM
Imagine if it was Scully + Plowman for Hogan + Wines :P
God, DAMN IT flower YOU TOUMPAS!
*deep breath*
Yeah I've always associated Scully with Hogan, hindsight says that's was a great move by us :)
Salem re injured his hamstring out for 4-6
Garland broke his hand in the first qtr on the weekend but still played on, probably back after the bye
Vanders out for 3-4
Injury list getting worse and worse
We really can't afford to keep going like this - Have nowhere near the depth of other sides
Quote from: Big Mac on June 10, 2015, 08:12:23 PM
Salem re injured his hamstring out for 4-6
Garland broke his hand in the first qtr on the weekend but still played on, probably back after the bye
Vanders out for 3-4
Injury list getting worse and worse
We really can't afford to keep going like this - Have nowhere near the depth of other sides
Not as bad as Brisbanes list of injuries though :( :(
Quote from: Ringo on June 10, 2015, 08:15:11 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 10, 2015, 08:12:23 PM
Salem re injured his hamstring out for 4-6
Garland broke his hand in the first qtr on the weekend but still played on, probably back after the bye
Vanders out for 3-4
Injury list getting worse and worse
We really can't afford to keep going like this - Have nowhere near the depth of other sides
Not as bad as Brisbanes list of injuries though :( :(
Brissy have been very hard done by too :(
Saints however only have the one player injured...
Devastated about Salem :'(
Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Devastated about Salem :'(
Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?
Quote from: GoLions on June 10, 2015, 08:50:06 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Devastated about Salem :'(
Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?
In my opinion... no. He was never really ready in the first place. But he has been doing a good job at VFL.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 10, 2015, 08:50:06 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Devastated about Salem :'(
Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?
In my opinion... no. He was never really ready in the first place. But he has been doing a good job at VFL.
So...2016? :P
Quote from: GoLions on June 10, 2015, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 10, 2015, 08:50:06 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Devastated about Salem :'(
Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?
In my opinion... no. He was never really ready in the first place. But he has been doing a good job at VFL.
So...2016? :P
Yeah, 2016 :)
I think he might get a couple of games this year. Probably no more than the sub though.
From what I am reading it looks like Roos doesn't want to play ANB just yet so it may give Stretch some more chances?
Garland is also out for a few. Broke his hand in the first quarter on Monday. Played out the rest of the game though which is good signs I think for him staying.
Also Salem re-injured his hammy. Not good news there.
I'd say for this week;
In: Tyson, Grimes
Out: Garland, vandenBerg
Whats happening in the Ruck Dept? Is Spencer a likely 1st pick in future?
Quote from: T Dog on June 11, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Whats happening in the Ruck Dept? Is Spencer a likely 1st pick in future?
I honestly don't know who is Melbourne's preferred ruck at this stage. It seems Gawn is going to get a go for the next few weeks...
I reckon whoever is playing at the last month of the season for us, will be our number one.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2015, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: T Dog on June 11, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Whats happening in the Ruck Dept? Is Spencer a likely 1st pick in future?
I honestly don't know who is Melbourne's preferred ruck at this stage. It seems Gawn is going to get a go for the next few weeks...
I reckon whoever is playing at the last month of the season for us, will be our number one.
Thanks Purple
Scorps with another close win - this time by 8 points :)
Max King with a massive 5 goal performance in the seniors after playing Dev. League for the past few weeks
Harmes with 29 disposals so should be in line for a call up soon after a strong game last week as well
Quote from: Big Mac on June 13, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
Scorps with another close win - this time by 8 points :)
Max King with a massive 5 goal performance in the seniors after playing Dev. League for the past few weeks
Harmes with 29 disposals so should be in line for a call up soon after a strong game last week as well
That's awesome news about both! Pleasantly surprised about King, but he was way overdue for a Casey senior call-up coz he was simply dominating the development league; it was just that two of Jamar, Spencer and Gawn were keeping him out.
But, to get his opportunity and get 5 goals?! Awesome!
And I love my little Harmsey :)
Going into that match, I felt like it was a turning point this year. Having played terribly for the majority of the match... I say we haven't improved this year.
Sure, on the day, we might look a little better than last year.
But in the end, we're 3-8, and looking at another bottom 4 finish.
That is not improvement, or rather that's not good enough.
I can't stress how important this match was to me in terms of my general view of Melbourne. I won't go on coz we've all heard it repeatedly in the past 8 years, but please know that my respect, pride, expectations and outlook on Melbourne has DRASTICALLY changed.
you guys have improved the games are much closer this year then last year
least your not expecting to lose by 100 points every week
look at it like GWS
they went through phases
getting smashed every week
still losing but not getting smashed every week and some upset wins
now very competitive
VFL Update: Casey v Coburg
Casey Scorpions 6.0.36 8.4.52 10.8.68 14.13.97
Coburg Lions 3.0.18 6.2.38 11.3.69 14.5.89
Rohan Bail 1 goal 1 behind 34 disposals 26 kicks 8 handballs 14 marks 7 tackles 173 dream team points
Chris Dawes 1 goal 10 disposals 5 kicks 5 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 57 dream team points
James Harmes 1 behind 31 disposals 15 kicks 16 handballs 5 tackles 101 dream team points
Mark Jamar 2 behinds 17 disposals 14 kicks 3 handballs 7 marks 2 tackles 29 hit outs 96 dream team points
Matt Jones 1 behind 36 disposals 20 kicks 16 handballs 13 marks 7 tackles 157 dream team points
Max King 5 goals 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 handballs 4 marks 6 tackles 91 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 1 behind 18 disposals 13 kicks 5 handballs 10 marks 81 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 1 goal 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 handballs 5 marks 48 dream team points
Ben Newton 1 goal 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 56 dream team points
Jake Spencer 2 goals 1 behind 15 disposals 8 kicks 7 handballs 6 marks 4 tackles 31 hit outs 113 dream team points
Mitch White 15 disposals 12 kicks 3 handballs 8 marks 1 tackle 71 dream team points
Good first hitout for King up from the Development League. Hows those DT points for Bail and Jones though!?
Very much appreciate those stats :)
With Pedo bear out, I guess that means Dawes comes in :( it looks like he had a pretty ordinary match.
Or, Spencer could come back in, and Gawn is played forward? Even though I don't want him to play forward, I more keen for Dawes to be left out
And go Harmes!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/pedersen-grimes-join-melbournes-growing-injury-list-?utm_medium=RSS
Pedo out for the year, Grimes 6-8 weeks and Newton concussed in the VFL
Reckon ANB could get another game this weekend boys? Would be flowering handy if he did
Quote from: Ricochet on June 16, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/pedersen-grimes-join-melbournes-growing-injury-list-?utm_medium=RSS
Pedo out for the year, Grimes 6-8 weeks and Newton concussed in the VFL
Reckon ANB could get another game this weekend boys? Would be flowering handy if he did
Yeah I reckon he probably will probably ric, especially now.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 16, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 16, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/pedersen-grimes-join-melbournes-growing-injury-list-?utm_medium=RSS
Pedo out for the year, Grimes 6-8 weeks and Newton concussed in the VFL
Reckon ANB could get another game this weekend boys? Would be flowering handy if he did
Yeah I reckon he probably will probably ric, especially now.
Yeh I figured he would get another game anyway, Michie to go first imo
Injury news is disappointing though, especially for Hunt who will only have 5 or so weeks at the end of the year to prove his worth before being delisted
Howe definitely moves to defence now though, perhaps Harmes to make a debut in that half-forward role?
Yeah, injury list filling up :-[
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Pls
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I said "filling up", not "full".
:P
Quote from: Barra13 on June 16, 2015, 06:31:51 PM
I said "filling up", not "full".
:P
haha fair enough :P
Also :'(
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
will get drafted by someone if they don't keep him anyway
Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Didn't even realise he was out of contract
He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
Quote from: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Didn't even realise he was out of contract
He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
I reckon a 1 year, maybe 2 year contract is coming his way.
That Hogan though :-\ needs to work on his... on his...
...
...
hmm.
Quote from: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Didn't even realise he was out of contract
He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Didn't even realise he was out of contract
He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man
kb....
Quote from: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 08:59:43 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Didn't even realise he was out of contract
He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man
kb....
bm.....
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 08:59:43 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Didn't even realise he was out of contract
He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man
kb....
bm.....
kb......
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on June 16, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 09:09:34 PM
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Quote from: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 08:18:44 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Didn't even realise he was out of contract
He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man
kb....
bm.....
kb......
bm.................
He was obviously being sarcastic.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbFhOeqTzY
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on June 16, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbFhOeqTzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabNdHO6lYk
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on June 16, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbFhOeqTzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabNdHO6lYk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UeS-Xb5u4-U
Read an article maybe a week or two ago about Tom Boyd's progress, where it compared the amount of goals he has kicked to previous forward greats at the same stage of their careers.
QuoteJarryd Roughead kicked seven goals in his first 19 games. Josh Kennedy kicked nine in his first 19. Nick Riewoldt? 12. Travis Cloke? 13. Matthew Pavlich? 16. Barry Hall? 16.
Tom Boyd has 19 goals from his first 19 games. That’s equal with a certain Lance Franklin, and six behind the man he was compared to in the draft process, Tom Hawkins.
Obviously Hogan's 5 goal haul has provoked me to bring this up, but if the above is anything to go by... and you consider Hogan's 22 goals in his first 10 games...
Then, well, I might just change sexual preferences for him... :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 17, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
Read an article maybe a week or two ago about Tom Boyd's progress, where it compared the amount of goals he has kicked to previous forward greats at the same stage of their careers.
QuoteJarryd Roughead kicked seven goals in his first 19 games. Josh Kennedy kicked nine in his first 19. Nick Riewoldt? 12. Travis Cloke? 13. Matthew Pavlich? 16. Barry Hall? 16.
Tom Boyd has 19 goals from his first 19 games. That’s equal with a certain Lance Franklin, and six behind the man he was compared to in the draft process, Tom Hawkins.
Obviously Hogan's 5 goal haul has provoked me to bring this up, but if the above is anything to go by... and you consider Hogan's 22 goals in his first 10 games...
Then, well, I might just change sexual preferences for him... :P
Can we call you Caitlin ?
Gender and sexual orientation are two separate things grazz.
Got to remember it's about size and development as well for a key forward- Franklin only weighed 84kg when he was drafted, and made his debut that year... he didn't have the year in the gym + the mini draft pick development behind him. Hogan doesn't have the issue that a lot of key forwards do at their early careers in being still physically immature.
Yep. :-[
Quote from: Ziplock on June 17, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Gender and sexual orientation are two separate things grazz.
Got to remember it's about size and development as well for a key forward- Franklin only weighed 84kg when he was drafted, and made his debut that year... he didn't have the year in the gym + the mini draft pick development behind him. Hogan doesn't have the issue that a lot of key forwards do at their early careers in being still physically immature.
Not really sure what you're trying to say, but it's clear Hogan is an exciting talent and he can only get better from here
Quote from: Barra13 on June 18, 2015, 10:10:25 AM
Quote from: Grazz on June 17, 2015, 09:25:17 PM
Yep. :-[
Haha fail.
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Quote from: Purple 77 on June 14, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
Going into that match, I felt like it was a turning point this year. Having played terribly for the majority of the match... I say we haven't improved this year.
Sure, on the day, we might look a little better than last year.
But in the end, we're 3-8, and looking at another bottom 4 finish.
That is not improvement, or rather that's not good enough.
I can't stress how important this match was to me in terms of my general view of Melbourne. I won't go on coz we've all heard it repeatedly in the past 8 years, but please know that my respect, pride, expectations and outlook on Melbourne has DRASTICALLY changed.
... :P
I think Port Adelaide and Essendon supporters (myself including) should be the ones who are disappointed haha
Fantastic wins by the Demons, Vince was fantastic and Gawn definitely solves the long-term ruck problems for the club - I think he will be the next Sandilands (Witts is uncoordinated negating his 1cm advantage over Gawn)
Quote from: powersuperkents on June 21, 2015, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 14, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
Going into that match, I felt like it was a turning point this year. Having played terribly for the majority of the match... I say we haven't improved this year.
Sure, on the day, we might look a little better than last year.
But in the end, we're 3-8, and looking at another bottom 4 finish.
That is not improvement, or rather that's not good enough.
I can't stress how important this match was to me in terms of my general view of Melbourne. I won't go on coz we've all heard it repeatedly in the past 8 years, but please know that my respect, pride, expectations and outlook on Melbourne has DRASTICALLY changed.
... :P
I think Port Adelaide and Essendon supporters (myself including) should be the ones who are disappointed haha
Fantastic wins by the Demons, Vince was fantastic and Gawn definitely solves the long-term ruck problems for the club - I think he will be the next Sandilands (Witts is uncoordinated negating his 1cm advantage over Gawn)
Today was unprecedented. Totally against the odds in EVERY facet you can think of. And was arguably our best win in 9 years.
So of course, the best win in 9 years is gonna make up for last week, and regain the things I lost in that game :P
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me. ;)
Quote from: Grazz on June 21, 2015, 08:09:04 PM
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me. ;)
Where do I send the bill too? :P
Clearly right decision getting rid of spud Hogan and replacing him with premiership player Dawes
Quote from: ossie85 on June 21, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
Clearly right decision getting rid of spud Hogan and replacing him with premiership player Dawes
Omfg, get out :P
I got the same line from Dad too ::)
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 21, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on June 21, 2015, 08:09:04 PM
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me. ;)
Where do I send the bill too? :P
Send me a PM mate haha. :P
Enjoy the celebrations if i was a Dee supporter id be chucking a sickie tomorrow. ;D
Quote from: Grazz on June 21, 2015, 08:39:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 21, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on June 21, 2015, 08:09:04 PM
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me. ;)
Where do I send the bill too? :P
Send me a PM mate haha. :P
Enjoy the celebrations if i was a Dee supporter id be chucking a sickie tomorrow. ;D
Ah, the pleasures of being a uni student whom just finished his last exam ;)
Got nothing for the next two weeks! >:D
What a win! Enjoy it lads, that was certainly the best win I can remember watching for the Dees. Stoked for you!
Still can't believe it
Casey Scorpions 2.5.17 3.6.24 5.10.40 6.12.48
North Ballarat 3.0.18 6.2.38 10.2.62 11.2.68
Jack Fitzpatrick 27 disposals 16 kicks 11 handballs 10 marks 2 tackles 106 dream team points
James Harmes disposals 12 kicks 8 handballs 5 marks 7 tackles 96 dream team points
Mark Jamar 18 disposals 15 kicks 3 handballs 6 marks 4 tackles 54 hit outs 136 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 2 goals 3 behinds 26 disposals 18 kicks 8 handballs 6 marks 8 tackles 135 dream team points
Max King 1 goal disposals 8 kicks 4 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 11 hit outs 76 dream team points
Viv Michie 1 behind 19 disposals 7 kicks 12 handballs 2 marks 7 tackles 72 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 15 disposals 9 kicks 6 handballs 4 marks 49 dream team points
Dean Terlich 14 disposals 9 kicks 5 handballs 4 marks 1 tackle 50 dream team points
Mitch White 14 disposals 9 kicks 5 handballs 4 marks 2 tackles 57 dream team points
Jamar and big Fitzy asking for their spots back.
JKH with 2.3 and 8 tackles says he worked his ass off
Yeah word was he played in the middle all game, so obviously enjoying that. Would be another Garlett style, dangerous up forward with stints in the middle.
bad timing for a bye for you guys would rather be playing this week with tons of confidence
they will still be confident next week but not as confident
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 23, 2015, 06:23:59 PM
bad timing for a bye for you guys would rather be playing this week with tons of confidence
they will still be confident next week but not as confident
Yeah, and especially playing at the energy-sapping Darwin too. It would have been good to have the bye following that game instead, but ah well.
Reckon they will still be busting to get out there in a couple of weeks. They can legitimately celebrate the win with a few beers and have no affect on their next performance. A few beers after a win like that could be just what the doctor ordered.
Hell, I did and I didn't even play!
Quote from: Barra13 on June 23, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
Hell, I did and I didn't even play!
lol i reckon a few would of done the same mate, a very good win. More valuable than just the 4 points that win.
Just a random thought for my fellow dee-voted, does Daniel Cross get a contract next year?
I reckon he deserves one, I have a lot of respect and admiration for that guy which grows every week.
More interestingly though, does Jamar? He too is out of contract... I'm not sure he will.
I think Crossy can go another year. I'd be happy to offer him another year for sure.
On the Jamar side; Apparently, there was a Demonlander that was talking to a player at training that had been playing VFL recently and they weren't very happy they weren't getting a game. This was about the time Gawn was set to play his first game. Apparently Goodwin is choosing the team each week or well into it, I reckon he is kind of planning for his tenure. So I was thinking it was Jamar but could have been Mckenzie also. So with Spencer and Gawn suddenly coming of age out of nowhere, I would say no. Kind of sad really, I like the big guy but understand he won't be around forever and we will need to get games into these 2 for the future.
Maybe Geelong might pick him up for a year or 2? They are in desperate need of a ruckman even though they have like 5 on their list.
Melbourne injury list: round 13 (bye weekend)
Sam Frost (toe) 6 weeks
Colin Garland (hand) test
Jack Grimes (thumb) test
Jesse Hogan (hamstring) test
Jayden Hunt (jaw) test
Dean Kent (hamstring) 4 weeks
Ben Newton (concussion) test
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) season
Christian Petracca (knee) season
Christian Salem (hamstring) 3 weeks
Jack Trengove (foot) season
Aaron vandenBerg (hamstring) 2 weeks
Misson's comments of interest:
* Frost to start running next week!
* Kent in full training next week! Ahead of Vanders and Salem, just needs to get fitness back.
* Petracca has started running fluently.
Interesting to hear about that VFL player, and that Goodwin is a big influence in team selection.
So, Frost and Kent start running/training next week, then surely a return date would be shorter than what is posted?
I would think so, as stated it'd just be about match fitness I reckon.
Trengove also has scans next week on the foot. Hopefully it is good news. He would be a nice addition to the midfield rotation aswell.
Cross one more year, Jamar retires
Not surprised if Jamar was upset, I was still convinced he was our number one ruck while Spencer was being trialled in the role
Should be fine for ruck coverage with Spencer and Gawn, as well as Pedo and Frost both capable of rucking and King being developed as well
I'd like to see Crossy go into some kind of role at the club for the younger kids, something similar to McCartney maybe. He would be a great role model and knows the rigors of day in day out AFL life.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 04:52:00 PM
I'd like to see Crossy go into some kind of role at the club for the younger kids, something similar to McCartney maybe. He would be a great role model and knows the rigors of day in day out AFL life.
100%
Perhaps in a similar role to Shannon Byrnes?
Roosy's Mid Season Player Review;
Rohan Bail: Ro’s had a reasonable year. He’s certainly been very good at VFL level â€" he’s played some terrific footy with Casey â€" and played some good roles, when he’s been asked to do them. I think the next level for Ro is to have some real belief in his game, which is starting to happen. I thought his game against Geelong was one of his better ones, so I’m looking forward to him continuing to improve and continuing to get better â€" no matter where he plays.
Angus Brayshaw: Angus has shown what I saw of him last year at the Sandringham Dragons and I watched him every week. He’s a natural ball-winner and he naturally goes back to the ball. Probably early on, his decision-making and kicking wasn’t great, but I think the last two or three weeks, he’s really started to iron that out and got more composed at senior level. He’s had a very good start to his AFL career.
Daniel Cross: I think Crossy was consistent early in the year, but probably a bit of a turning point for him was going to half-back. He reads the ball so well and he’s really helped out defence. He continues to be a pro and he continues to play really consistent AFL football.
Chris Dawes: Dawesy’s had an up-and-down year. He hasn’t really been able to get going because of his calf. The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us â€" as you saw in the game at Geelong, which was a good example â€" he played a really important role. When he does that, we’re a better team.
Lynden Dunn: Dunny’s game against Geelong was the best I’ve seen him play. His balance between defence and attack was exceptional and he played on a really good player in Tom Hawkins. He’s been OK in the first half of the year, but hopefully the Geelong game is a real stepping stone for him to finish off the year, as he started last year, because he showed last year that he can be one of the best defenders in the competition.
Jack Fitzpatrick: Fitzy’s game against the Bulldogs was his highlight of the year. But now it’s really about finding consistency for Fitzy. He’s played some good footy in the VFL, but he’s had some footy, where he’s had some flaws in his game. But it’s really about consistency of performance â€" on and off the field for Fitzy.
Sam Frost: Frosty showed what he could give us in the pre-season and early in the season. He’s a competitor with really great speed. He’s going to be a natural defender, even though we played him forward/ruck early in the year, but I’m really looking forward to him playing in the back end of the year.
Colin Garland: Col’s been super consistent and arguably our most consistent player. He’s done a role every single week, but unfortunately he broke his hand and missed a couple of games before the bye. He’s a high-quality AFL defender.
Jeff Garlett: Jeff hasn’t been a surprise packet, because we’ve seen what he could do at Carlton, but what he’s done has been exceptional. His ability to come back to the football is what I like. His commitment to the defensive side of the game generates a lot of his offense and helps us as a footy team.
Max Gawn: Maxy, by his own admission, probably struggled early in the season and I must admit we were a little bit worried about his form. I spoke to him a lot about it and then he played a really good, consistent block in the VFL and then it was highlighted by his game against Geelong. Hopefully that potential that we’ve known is there turns into becoming a really consistent performer at AFL level.
Jack Grimes: Grimesy has been really up-and-down this year, but we’ve had some really good discussions with him. The thing with Jack is that he wants to be a good player and he learns and listens. So it was disappointing that he got injured against St Kilda, because I thought he played one of his best games. The challenge for him is to get back and play some consistent footy.
MORE TO FOLLOW WHEN AVAILABLE
Always love Roosy's insights.
"But it’s really about consistency of performance â€" on and off the field for Fitzy."
Anything in that or am I reading too much into it?
I was reading into this from Dawes...
The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us
Kinda wish we had a game this weekend but I'll probably just watch last week's again tonight
Quote from: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 06:14:50 PM
I was reading into this from Dawes...
The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us
Yeh I noticed that one, imo he could even get dropped for Jesse this week
Quote from: Big Mac on June 28, 2015, 04:13:27 PM
Kinda wish we had a game this weekend but I'll probably just watch last week's again tonight
Quote from: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 06:14:50 PM
I was reading into this from Dawes...
The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us
Yeh I noticed that one, imo he could even get dropped for Jesse this week
That's the dream! :P
Dare I say it... Toumpas' past month has made him JUST sneak in behind Dawes as my most frustrating Melbourne player.
But don't get me wrong, the guy still showers me.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 28, 2015, 04:32:29 PM
Dare I say it... Toumpas' past month has made him JUST sneak in behind Dawes as my most frustrating Melbourne player.
I knew you'd come around Purps :')
James Harmes: Harmesy is a young player who is really learning. What I really like about James is that he’s starting to really listen and learn and his improvement has been good. He’s starting to understand both sides of the ball â€" offensively and defensively â€" but he needs to continue to improve in the back half of the season.
Jesse Hogan: The thing I love about Jesse is his competitiveness and he’s got a great work rate. If you’ve got those two, then you can keep working through games. As a young player does, he goes through lulls in games, but he allows himself to get back into contests, because he works so hard and he’s such a good competitor.
Jeremy Howe: Howey has been a little bit up-and-down, but when he’s on and when his commitment to the defensive side of the game is on â€" as we saw with his game against Geelong â€" he’s a very good player. I genuinely said to him after that game against Geelong that it was the best game of footy I’ve seen of a player without touching the ball in the first half. That was because he was involved in the game. He was chasing and tackling, and was bringing the ball to ground. When he does that, he’s a very good player.
Jayden Hunt: Hunty has had quite a few injuries to deal with in the first half of the season and really all we’re looking from him at the moment is to get on the park consistently. We really want him to listen to the coaches and use his speed, when he plays. He needs to use that because that’s his greatest asset â€" and he needs to get back to playing some consistent football.
Mark Jamar: Mark probably wasn’t out of form, when he got dropped. It was really that the other ruckmen were playing so well. The good thing with Mark is that he’s responding well at VFL level. We still think he’s got a role to play with the footy club and he just needs to play really good football and force his way back into the team.
Neville Jetta: Nev unfortunately missed that month with concussion. I think we’ve seen how much we’ve missed him. He’s one of the best small defenders now in the competition. He’s hard and tough, and we’re probably seeing him in the past couple of weeks getting back to some fantastic form.
Matt Jones: With Matty, it’s more that other guys have really stepped up, which has meant he’s played more in the VFL this year. He’s still playing good footy at VFL level and he’s playing pretty good footy when he gets a chance at AFL level. He just needs to continue to work on his game and continue to improve, and not let other guys go past him, because he does show he has some real AFL qualities.
Nathan Jones: Nathan is a great student of the game. He was probably disappointed with some of his games early in the season, but I think his past three games have been as good as I’ve seen him play. His commitment now to two-way running, running hard to pick up his man and running hard offensively is as good as I’ve seen him play.
Jay Kennedy-Harris: Jay started off the year pretty positively. We saw what we could get with him, with his speed and endurance, and when he gets up the ground and then gets back. He then had a groin injury, so now it’s about getting him back, and hopefully playing some good VFL footy and then getting him back in the senior team.
Dean Kent: Dean was another one we felt started the season really well. He showed his speed and kicked some really critical goals. He made some really good tackles to set the scene against Richmond early in the season, and then got injured in that game. He’s been out for a fair while, but we’re looking forward to getting him back later in the season.
Max King: Maxy has been slow to develop, but to his credit his last five or six weeks have been good. I’ve watched him play a number of times in the Development League and you could see the real talent that he had. Then he kicked five goals in his first VFL game for the season. He just needs to keep being consistent â€" on and off the field.
Heritier Lumumba: ‘H’ has been terrific. He’s really settled over the past month. By necessity we’ve had to put him back and play him off a half-back flank, but he’s been terrific in the past month. He gives us some real speed and drive, and we just love his energy around the footy club. He’s really committed to the club and committed to his teammates.
Oscar McDonald: Oscar is developing nicely. He started in the Development League and is now playing VFL. He’s now starting to understand what AFL footy looks like â€" if you’re in defence, you’ve got to play on a man and not just stand in an area. He’s got some AFL tools. He’s big, got good agility, endurance and speed, so he’s developing well.
Tom McDonald: Tom was exceptional in the first six or seven weeks, but has been a little bit more inconsistent over the last four or five weeks. But I’m really looking forward to him having a break â€" because he’s been a warrior for us in the first half of the season â€" and then coming back and playing the rest of the season in some really good form, like he was earlier in the year.
Jordie McKenzie: Jordie’s been a really consistent VFL player. We know when he gets his chance what he can do. A few of the things we’re working on with him are a bit better ball use and capitalising on those possessions. We want him to do that at VFL level, so if he does get the opportunity at AFL level, we know that he’ll be able to use the ball better.
Viv Michie: Viv has been a little bit inconsistent and he’s still learning our system. He’s taken a little bit longer than what he and I would’ve hoped. As long as he’s working really hard and continuing to improve â€" he dominates VFL â€" his challenge is to get up and play really good AFL footy.
Alex Neal-Bullen: We’ve seen him in the past couple of weeks at AFL level. What the development coaches liked about him was his clean hands and he’s ferocious at the ball. We’ve seen he’s a bit of a goalsneak as well, so you couldn’t ask for much more from a kid, who didn’t have a full pre-season and hurt his knee a couple of times during that period.
Ben Newton: Benny is really our system and learning what we expect. He’s showed he can play some good AFL football and he kicked some real critical goals at times earlier in the season. He’s just got to get confidence in himself and in a new system. We think he can play at AFL level, but it’s about getting that consistency.
Cameron Pedersen: Pedo’s season has finished, due to injury, which is really disappointing. He played a couple of important games and really good games, but unfortunately we’re not going to see him for the rest of the year.
Christian Petracca: Track’s been terrific around the club and we’ve seen what he could do in the pre-season. It’s always tough when you’re a young kid not playing, but he’s a ball of energy and the players love him. He’s just got to knuckle down on his rehab and make sure he doesn’t waste the year, and really come back a much better and smarter player. He’s doing some forward scouting for us and learning the game as well.
Aidan Riley: Aidan’s played a couple of handy roles. His deficiencies are that he’s really got to work hard on his endurance and two-way running. He plays well at VFL level, but to develop into a consistent AFL player, he’s got to work hard on both sides of the game â€" offensively and defensively.
Christian Salem: Christian was terrific early in the season and a real shining light off half-back. His ability to defend was really good and his ability to tackle and come back to the ball was terrific, but unfortunately he got injured and hopefully he’ll be back soon.
Trying to decipher any hidden messages in these reviews...
Picking up on any?
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 29, 2015, 07:31:55 PM
Trying to decipher any hidden messages in these reviews...
Picking up on any?
How long have Viv, Mckenzie and Riley got on their contracts?
Quote from: Big Mac on June 29, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 29, 2015, 07:31:55 PM
Trying to decipher any hidden messages in these reviews...
Picking up on any?
How long have Viv, Mckenzie and Riley got on their contracts?
Hehe. :P
This is what I took from that;
Nothing to say that Pedo's in trouble. Likely he will get another contract.
It looks like Newton isn't doing everything that the coaches ask.
Mckenzie and Jamar won't get another game, unless forced.
Riley has a lot to learn.
JKH is in the future team.
MJones is just depth.
He's happy with the yound kids in Harmes, King and Oscar.
CONTRACTS;
2019
Jones 27,
2018
Brayshaw 19, Petracca 19,
2017
Dunn 27, Hogan 20, Viney 20, Lumumba 28, Kennedy-Harris20, Salem 19,
2016
Trengove 22, Dawes 26, Grimes 25 (RFA), Watts 24 (RFA), Michie* 23, Vince 29, Tyson* 21, Kent 21, M Jones 27, Spencer 25 (UFA), T McDonald 22, Terlich 25, Jetta 25, Garlett 25, Stretch 18, Frost 21, Newton 22, Neal-Bullen 19, O McDonald 19
2015
Jamar 31 (UFA), Garland 26 (RFA), McKenzie 24, Howe 24, Gawn 23, Fitzpatrick 23, Toumpas 21, Pedersen 28, Hunt 19, Cross 32, Bail 26, Riley 23, Harmes ® 19, King ® 19, Vandenberg ® 23, White ® 18
Jake Spencer: Jake’s almost our most improved player. He’s been terrific in what he’s been able to do. He’s worked extremely hard on his game and we’ve seen him play some really good AFL footy this year. As long as he continues to improve, with him, Max Gawn and Russian (Mark Jamar), you end up with three good ruckmen.
Billy Stretch: Billy’s a really, really nice, compact player. He’s a great listener and understands the game really well. His listens to the coaches really well and we’ve seen him play some good footy at AFL level already.
Dean Terlich: Dean’s probably been really inconsistent with his performance. One thing he needs to do is become really consistent at VFL level and knock the door down. He needs to have high quality performances at VFL level week in, week out. We know he can play AFL footy, because we’ve seen it, but he really needs to get back to playing the way we want him to play.
Jimmy Toumpas: I think Jimmy has made some real improvement, particularly over the past month. His games against the Bulldogs, Collingwood and St Kilda were really good. He really works hard on his game. Jimmy loves his footy and we’re starting to see some real improvement in his game.
Jack Trengove: I can’t speak highly enough of Jack. His investment in the footy club for someone that’s been injured for nearly a year and a half is exceptional. He’s just a high quality individual that you love having around your club.
Dom Tyson: Dom’s probably started off a little bit slow, but he’s really starting to show some good signs. I thought his game against Geelong was really positive and his commitment now to defence is really good. He’s getting in and making some tackles â€" and we saw his outstanding kick to Billy Stretch against Geelong â€" so I’m really looking forward to his second half of the season. I think he’s going to have a very, very good back half to the year.
Aaron vandenBerg: Vanders came as a mature-age recruit and none of us knew much about him, other that he could find the ball at NEAFL level. He’s big and strong, and a real contributor and he had a significant impact on the team in the first half of the season.
Bernie Vince: Bernie’s elevated his game. He’s been exceptional in the last month. His ability to play on really good players and shut them down, and get the ball himself, has been fantastic. I haven’t spoken to him about it, but I suspect it’s as good as he’s played in whole career.
Jack Viney: Unfortunately Jack missed a lot of weeks with his leg injury, but he showed against Geelong how much we’ve missed him. His game on Joel Selwood was fantastic. His ability to win a contest, beat an opponent and play on a good opponent â€" and still attract and win the ball has been very good. I’m really looking forward to the final 10 games for Jack.
Jack Watts: I think Wattsy has just had his best three matches of AFL football in a row. He’s really starting to get back to the contest and he’s worked hard on his game with Simon Goodwin and Brendan McCartney. But it’s been the best three weeks I’ve seen him play back-to-back-to-back. He’s using his speed now, when he’s got the ball in his hands, so I’m looking forward to seeing him play the final 10 games of the season.
Mitch White: Mitch is a developing young player. The coaches have been really happy with him. He’s starting to really listen and starting to play on his man off half-back, and he’s starting to really impact contests and starting to play the way we want him to play.
Great stuff barra, was wondering about our contracts.
From those that are out of contract this year:
Want to keep
Colin Garland
Daniel Cross
Max Gawn
Aaron Vandenberg
Jeremy Howe - just.
Neutral about ya
Mark Jamar
Jack Fitzpatrick
Jimmy "look at me! I've shown something!" Toumpas
Cam Pedersen (age was a factor, otherwise in the category above)
Jayden Hunt (keep hearing he has rare natural speed... I suspect another Sam Blease though)
Max King
James Harmes
Matt White
Want out
Jordie McKenzie
Rohan Bail
Aidan Riley (a bit harsh, but why have both of Michie and Riley?)
Wow, bit surprised about Roos on Spencer. Seems like Pencil is in the good books! Roos seems to like our young, first-to-second year players too. Probably coz we acquired them in his tenure. Was also glad to hear his praise on Jack Trengove, which suggests his AFL career perhaps isn't over yet.
But yeah, Terlich is just gone. I still CANNOT believe he got a two year contract last year, amazing.
1 thing to remember though is that we do need some depth so the ones I'd like to hold onto from your neutral ones would be;
Fitzpatrick
Toumpas
Pedersen
The rookies, well they are rookies. I'm happy for them to stay. Agree with the rest though.
Seems like they are willing to persist with Hunt, just a gut feel
Apparently McCartney really thinks White could be a player
I really do like Riley and think he would be a great bloke, but a team can only play so many slow inside mids - I can't see us hanging on to him
What do we think about our changes for this week?
Gawn can only play 75-80% ruck time, and the rest of the time he is too tired to even compete around the ground. We will get destroyed if we have to have Dawes in a centre bounce against NicNat. I honestly reckon we have to keep Spencer in the side this week, and if we want to bring in Hogan and Garland, a tall needs to come out. Sorry Dawes
Yeah... "sorry" Dawes :P
I tend to agree! Naitanui is certainly a handful and Sinclair is handy back-up. I reckon Gawn & Spencer should both play. Garland and Hulk are automatic selections, so it really does look like Dawes will make way.
Misson injury interview:
- Newton, Garland & Hogan available. (Hogan was ok just being conservative with back and hamstring tightness)
- Kent 3 weeks, starts training next week
- Vand 2 weeks, did fast running yesterday
- Salem 3 weeks, they are being cautious with him
- Frost 6 weeks, first run tomorrow. Bursting to get back
- Trengove has next scan July 24 which will determine if he can run
- Petracca. been running for a week, no sign of a limp.
any word on Lumumba's foot how bad it is like only a week or 2 or serious?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 04, 2015, 07:20:40 PM
any word on Lumumba's foot how bad it is like only a week or 2 or serious?
Just precautionary
Casey had a massive win over Geelong today in the VFL, storming home by 48 points.
Hunt with 3 goals, Newton with 2, Jamar and Mckenzie one each
Go Hunt!
Little disappointed King didn't bag any.
Essendon are going to be fired up next week
Quote from: Big Mac on July 05, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
Essendon are going to be fired up next week
Yeah :(
Dees should be fired up also, why wouldn't they be?
Quote from: ossie85 on July 05, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
Dees should be fired up also, why wouldn't they be?
We never win the games we're supposed to
Quote from: Big Mac on July 05, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 05, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
Dees should be fired up also, why wouldn't they be?
We never win the games we're supposed to
Exactly. We usually play particularly awful in those sort of matches.
Brayshaw tweeted that he reckons he'll be fine for next week :D
On Jack Trengove;
QuoteI was talking to a close family member of Jack's yesterday. She told me that he is fighting fit, has put his heart and soul into rehab and whilst he might be ready to come back before the season's end, he will definitely be ready to go round one 2016.
QuoteShe also said Jack desperately wants to be a one team player and bleeds red and blue. He has a lovely girlfriend in Melbourne so hopefully will not be going anywhere except with us. She said he is pedantic about his diet, exercise, rehab and is in the right head space to make a fantastic come back round one 2016.
Casey Scorpions 5.3.33 8.3.51 11.6.72 14.9.93
Geelong Cats 0.2.2 4.5.29 5.7.37 6.9.45
Jack Fitzpatrick 17 disposals 9 kicks 8 hand passes 8 marks 6 tackles 1 hit out 89 dream team points
James Harmes 1 behind 29 disposals 13 kicks 16 hand passes 6 marks 11 tackles 135 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 3 goals 1 behind 12 disposals 9 kicks 3 hand passes 6 marks 1 tackle 74 dream team points
Mark Jamar 1 goal 13 disposals 11 kicks 2 hand passes 4 marks 2 tackles 38 hit outs 96 dream team points
Max King 3 behinds 11 disposals 9 kicks 2 hand passes 3 marks 6 tackles 12 hit outs 76 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 hand passes 2 marks 31 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 1 goal 28 disposals 14 kicks 14 hand passes 3 marks 9 tackles 120 dream team points
Viv Michie 26 disposals 20 kicks 6 hand passes 5 marks 4 tackles 104 dream team points
Ben Newton 2 goals 1 behind 18 disposals 10 kicks 8 hand passes 1 mark 8 tackles 95 dream team points
Dean Terlich 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 hand passes 2 marks 4 tackles 69 dream team points
I've kind of wanted it for a while now but I think it's time
Get Harmes out there!
GO HARMSEY!
And fantastic to hear about Trenners, he's always had a place in my heart
Melbourne injury list: round 15
Angus Brayshaw (neck) â€" test
Sam Frost (toe) â€" 5 weeks
Jack Grimes (thumb) â€" test
Dean Kent (hamstring) â€" 2 weeks
Heritier Lumumba (toe) â€" test
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) â€" season
Christian Petracca (knee) â€" season
Christian Salem (hamstring) â€" 3 weeks
Jack Trengove (foot) â€" season
Aaron vandenBerg (hamstring) â€" test
Vandenberg!
Surprisingly an important player for us.
Frost out to 5 weeks is disappointing
We might not get to see him again this year :(
I'm curious as to what your best 22 would look like? We have seen a lot of different players this year. So without any injuries, who would have take to the field this weekend? It is actually harder than you think...
I came up with;
B: Neville Jetta, Tom McDonald, Colin Garland
HB: Daniel Cross, Lynden Dunn, Heritier Lumumba
C: Dom Tyson, Jack Viney, Jack Watts
HF: Jeff Garlett, Cam Pedersen, Dean Kent
F: Jeremy Howe, Jesse Hogan, Jay Kennedy-Harris,
FOLL: Max Gawn, Bernie Vince, Nathan Jones
I/C: Angus Brayshaw, Christian Salem, Jack Trengove, Aaron vandenBerg
EMG: Jack Grimes, Sam Frost, Christian Petracca
I really couldn't split Pedersen and Dawes. I like Grimes and Frost, but are stiff to miss. Petracca could be in there but I haven't seen him yet.
Would love Garlett, Kent and JKH buzzing around the forward line.
I think you've nailed it to be honest
Trengove is named twice though - perhaps Petracca should be emergency?
I like Pedersen over Dawes, he can cover Gawn in the ruck which is very important
Fixed. Yeah I did have Frost in there to help out, but I just couldn't fit him in.
I actually made my best 22 about 2 weeks ago lol
FB Dunn, Lynden McDonald, Tom Jetta, Neville
HB Lumumba, Heritier Garland, Colin Salem, Christian
C Tyson, Dom Vandenberg, Aaron (R) Vince, Bernie
HF Watts, Jack Pedersen, Cameron Kent, Dean
FF Garlett, Jeff Hogan, Jesse Howe, Jeremy
FOL Gawn, Max Jones, Nathan Viney, Jack
INT Cross, Daniel Brayshaw, Angus Toumpas, Jimmy
SUB Kennedy-Harris, Jay
EMG Grimes, Jack Dawes, Chris Spencer, Jake
Only one change between ours. You had Toumpas and I had Trengove, interesting.
Quote from: Barra13 on July 08, 2015, 06:13:12 PM
Only one change between ours. You had Toumpas and I had Trengove, interesting.
Ah, the forgotten man. Still love him, but out of my team due to him simply not playing for a long time.
Saw at Demonland they reckon Trenners could play Cross's role eventually. I tend to agree.
Melbourne FC â€@melbournefc
Paul Roos media conference: James Harmes has been elevated from rookie to senior list
Gus training with the main group so should play this week
With those two up and about, I think it'd be something like;
OUT: Matt Jones, Rohan Bail, Billy Stretch, Jake Spencer
IN: Jack Grimes, James Harmes, Aaron vandenBerg, Heritier Lumumba
JKH could also be an in somewhere this week. Looks like some good ins this week though.
Yeah, should be great ins this week.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Vanders back in, and also keen to have a look at Harmsey!
Nooooooo I need Spencer to play because of Maric being suspended
I think you're out of luck there LF. It is going to be a wet game and it would be going in too tall. Almost certain he will be dropped.
Vanders signed up 8)
MELBOURNE has signed rookie success story Aaron vandenBerg for two years, tying him to the club until the end of 2017.
The 23-year-old was taken in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft from Canberra-based club Ainslie with the second pick behind St Kilda's Jack Sinclair.
vandenBerg played the first 10 games before suffering a hamstring injury in the Queen's Birthday clash against Collingwood, but is once again available for selection this week.
He told AFL.com.au he has enjoyed every minute so far and was rapt to be able to commit to the Demons.
"It's not every day you get paid to do what you love to do," vandenBerg said.
"The group I am around is a really good group, and I'm pretty excited about where they're heading as well."
He averaged 17.5 disposals and more than five tackles a game, bringing a hard, strong, aggressive presence to the stoppage, his effort particularly significant given he had to overcome a shoulder problem before joining full training.
He admits a full pre-season under his belt will help and says there are plenty of areas in which he can improve as he continues to work on being clean with the footy, making quick early decisions and his skills.
vandenBerg credited former Adelaide player Robert Shirley, who was an assistant at Ainslie after 151 games with the Crows, for simultaneously building in him both a belief that he had the talent to play AFL and that he needed to change his mindset to realise that talent.
After the Demons chose him, recruiting manager Jason Taylor told him to work hard, keep a level head and listen to the coaches before development coach Shannon Byrnes took him around the club.
"I was pretty taken by everything that was involved … from the amount of coaching and support staff, even the amount of footies on the ground," vandenBerg said.
He soon latched on to highly respected midfielder Daniel Cross and is trying to follow his lead.
"In my opinion, he's the most professional bloke at the club," vandenBerg said.
"I'm always trying to snag him to do some extra stuff after training."
Demons' football manager Josh Mahoney said the mature-age recruit had exceeded expectations, particularly as he arrived at the club with a shoulder injury, and through his willingness to listen and attack training had set up a solid foundation for an AFL career.
"Aaron plays the right way," Mahoney told AFL.com.au.
"He is competitive, loves to tackle and with his size and running ability compliments our midfield group. We look forward to Aaron continuing to develop his AFL attributes further."
vandenBerg said his initial approach hadn't changed.
"I needed to listen along the way and try to learn, week in week out, as much as I possibly could to get a go - and luckily I did," he said.
ROOKIE James Harmes says he’s over the moon about making his AFL debut against Essendon at the MCG on Saturday.
The midfielder was told by coach Paul Roos late on Thursday afternoon that he would play his first game for Melbourne this round.
“I was just about to jump in the ice baths and Mahns (Josh Mahoney) gave me a call and said ‘can you come up to the office’,†he told Dee TV.
“So I walked up there and I wasn’t really sure what was going to happen.
“I found out the good news and they (the match committee) played a prank on me. They said I can’t play this weekend [in the VFL … because I was playing in the AFL]. They broke the news to me and I was pretty happy.â€
Harmes said “it was pretty crazy†to hear the news, given he was a Melbourne supporter growing up.
“As a kid I grew up for Melbourne and now to pull on the jumper this weekend, it’ll be unbelievable,†he said.
“When I found out I was going to be elevated today (Thursday), things turned a little bit for me and I thought I could sneak in this weekend.
“I got the call-up, so I’m pretty excited just to get out there on Saturday.â€
Selected at No.2 in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft in November 2013, Harmes said his journey had been “very challenging†so far.
“I’ve had to get over a few little speed humps along the way, but it’s the best life and it’s really enjoyable,†he said.
“I love coming [to the club] every day to be with my mates and playing footy, so it’s been tough, but I’ve loved every minute of it.â€
Hailing from Devon Meadows/Dandenong Stingrays, Harmes said he relished the opportunity even more, having joined the club as a rookie.
“It’s a lot harder to get an actual game, so over the last couple of months I’ve been working on a lot of things,†he said.
“I’ve been doing as much extra as I can, by going and seeing the coaches and doing the ice baths and extra touch.
“I’ve been proactive and as the coaches always say ‘I’ve been taking ownership of my career’, so that’s what I’ve really tried to work on. Last year, I wasn’t as professional as I should’ve been and I was still only an 18-year-old kid coming out of the TAC Cup.
“This year, I feel like my professionalism has gone to another level.â€
Harmes said Bernie Vince and Nathan Jones had taken him under his wing.
“From day one, Jonesy was getting around me, so probably those two boys [have had the biggest influence on me],†he said.
“All of the boys are great people â€" and great people to be around.
“Everyone has had a great influence on me.â€
The fact that Harmes has had red and blue running through his veins for his entire life is the cherry on top for the 19-year-old.
“Unfortunately, my mum and my sister are over in Europe at the moment … so that’s bad luck, you’re not going to see me debut,†he said.
“I’m sure that they’ll watch it somewhere.
“It’s going to be unbelievable. I always wanted to do it (play for Melbourne), but for it to finally happen, it’s just crazy â€" words can’t describe what I’m feeling right now. I’m just grateful for the opportunity that everyone’s given me and I just can’t wait to get out there on Saturday.â€
Great story from someone on Demonland - 'Chomp' is Harmes' nickname
"'Chomp' comes up to Yarra every summer and this year he spent new years there. Old man is a taxi driver so they got talking about footy and without harms mentioning anything about being an AFL player dad said he barracked for the Dees, when in turn James mentioned he was a rookie list player. Dad being a passionate supporter was pumped and they got talking for a while about footy etc.. When dad had to drop him off he managed to get a selfie with Chomp and he turned around and offered his support to my younger brother who is playing for under 15s Vic Country this year by giving dad his number! Chomp then offered to ring me little brother and say g'day to which he was little star struck given he is only 14 years old.. Harmes offered some handy advise and tips and wished him all the best. Dad said he was by far the best 18 year old he has dealt with being such a mature kid for his age and the way he has gone out of his way to keep in touch with my little brother. There was no arrogance or cockiness just a down to earth kid who was just as pumped to meet another demon supporter.
Dad sent an email to the footy club complimenting on what a terrific young kid he was and the way he had gone out his way to do what he has done for my little brother. Dad mentioned that he wanted this email to go straight to Paul Roos and Peter Jackson. Dads already promised him free taxi rides Lol
Against Sydney this year Chomp got free tickets for my family and even a chance to get them into the rooms. My family have now become good friends with James and when I rang my dad before, him and my little brother were fist pumping and shouting with excitement. So the Harmes selection is a bit closer to heart then usual.
The kid is a ripper and I am absolutely stoked for Harmesy to be living his dream because I know for a fact just how hard he has had to work for it and what he has gone through.
Good luck Chomp!!"
I thought his nickname was Horse. Much for the same reason I believe haha.
haha thats a ripper
Lol at the nicknames,
A good story!
So.....Brisbane next week?
Quote from: Big Mac on July 11, 2015, 06:23:23 PM
So.....Brisbane next week?
Getting a little tired of Roos' excuses, so hope to hear something different today.
Even if it's just getting into the players... I'd like to see that actually.
Casey Scorpions 1.4.10 4.6.30 8.8.56 10.9.69
Port Melbourne 0.1.1 2.4.16 2.6.18 2.8.20
Disposals Michie 31, Riley 26, Gent 25, Jamar 23,
Tackles Grimes 13 Toumpas 11
8)
Good game by Russian by the looks of it.
A shame that Gawn is on fire.
Perhaps Grimes and Spuddernaut could come in for (the not quite ready, but I like them) Stretch and Harmes?
Kent likely to play Development league this week :)
Salem 1 more week and likely to play the weekend after :)
Melbourne injury list: round 15
Sam Frost (toe) â€" 4-6 weeks
Dean Kent (hamstring) â€" test
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) â€" season
Christian Petracca (knee) â€" season
Christian Salem (hamstring) â€" 1 week
Jack Trengove (foot) â€" season
Yay Kent!
Highly looking forward to seeing him back in the team, hopefully soon!
Yeah, its kind of sad that all of those players could easily be considered best 22 and they sit on the sidelines.
:-\
Casey Scorpions 1.4.10 4.6.30 8.8.56 10.9.69
Port Melbourne 0.1.1 2.4.16 2.6.18 2.8.20
The heavens opened up in the morning and the rain just kept pounding in buckets. It was so relentless, so heavy and so bitingly cold that they had to turn on the floodlights and even then it was difficult for the hardy spectators who made it to the ground and clearly even more difficult for the players.
In those conditions it was perhaps inevitable that Casey with 15 AFL listed players and by far the bigger-bodied of the two teams was going to triumph over Port Melbourne.
The two teams met earlier in the Round 5 game at North Port Oval that was closely fought for three quarters before the Borough prevailed but this time they were strangled by the strong tackling of the Scorpions. It was a low scoring affair early with Matt Jones the only goal scorer in the opening term but Port fought back late in the second quarter to get to within two points before goals to Viv Michie and Ed Morris just before half time gave the Scorps the break they needed.
The rain was torrential after half time and Port was completely shut down by strong tackling in the mud and the slush. The game was stop-start and shocking as a spectacle but Casey always had someone who could convert and, as a consequence, slid its way to a 49 point win that consolidated its position in the VFL top eighth.
The Casey rucks led by Mark Jamar and Jake Spencer relished the wet conditions and had the lion's share of the hit outs. They gave their on ball division an armchair ride with Viv Michie and Aidan Riley relishing the hard going. Jack Grimes put in a pleasing performance which included some strong tackling which set the scene for his possible return to AFL ranks in the near future.
Otherwise, there was not a great deal to take from the game other than that one could not accuse any of the players from taking a backward step when the going got tough.
In the end the perfect storm provided a perfect outcome for the home team.
Casey's next outing is to Visy Park on Saturday to take on the lowly Northern Blues, a game not to be taken lightly after the team succumbed to the equally poorly performed North Ballarat a few weeks ago.
Rohan Bail 2 behinds 15 disposals 8 kicks 7 hand passes 2 marks 8 tackles 76 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 6 disposals 5 kicks 1 hand passes 3 marks 4 tackles 42 dream team points
Jack Grimes 1 goal 13 disposals 12 kicks 1 hand passes 15 tackles 102 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 2 goals 6 disposals 6 kicks 1 marks 5 tackles 50 dream team points
Mark Jamar 29 disposals 20 kicks 9 hand passes 3 marks 6 tackles 43 hit outs 140 dream team points
Matt Jones 1 goal disposals 9 kicks 2 hand passes 1 marks 9 tackles 70 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 8 disposals 8 kicks 1 marks 2 tackles 36 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 13 disposals 8 kicks 5 hand passes 14 tackles 93 dream team points
Viv Michie 1 goal disposals 19 kicks 8 hand passes 1 mark 2 tackles dream 93 team points
Ben Newton 15 disposals 12 kicks 3 hand passes 10 tackles 78 dream team points
Aidan Riley 1 goal 1 behind 28 disposals 14 kicks 14 hand passes 9 tackles 111 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind 6 disposals 6 kicks 2 marks 11 tackles 60 hit outs 121 dream team points
Dean Terlich 17 disposals 16 kicks 1 hand passes 1 marks 2 tackles dream 61 team points
Jimmy Toumpas 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 hand passes 1 marks 9 tackles 57 dream team points
Mitch White 13 disposals 10 kicks 3 hand passes 2 marks 3 tackles 54 dream team points
Some massive tackle numbers in there :o
Would have to be up for some kind of record
Quote from: Big Mac on July 15, 2015, 03:02:40 PM
Some massive tackle numbers in there :o
Would have to be up for some kind of record
I dont think the person doing the stats understood the rule as thats a stupid amount of tackles.
Spuddernaut has very underwhelming numbers.
Still reckon Newton has a place in our best 22.
Quote from: Holz on July 15, 2015, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on July 15, 2015, 03:02:40 PM
Some massive tackle numbers in there :o
Would have to be up for some kind of record
I dont think the person doing the stats understood the rule as thats a stupid amount of tackles.
Yep. And that's not even including the Casey players
Bit of talk going around that we are in the race for Prestia from GC
Some supporters treating it as gospel but seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that he supported the dees as a kid
That and the 'my family friend went to school with someone in Dion's year level and he thinks it's a done deal' type of bullshower
Hey lads, fair to say Mitch White is a fair way from AFL footy at the moment? Looking for a cheap defender that won't play in SC in order to emg loophole and you boys have the most Snday games remaining. Thanks lads!
Quote from: elephants on July 16, 2015, 06:27:12 PM
Hey lads, fair to say Mitch White is a fair way from AFL footy at the moment? Looking for a cheap defender that won't play in SC in order to emg loophole and you boys have the most Snday games remaining. Thanks lads!
Like a 10% chance of playing this year
Maybe 5%
Quote from: Big Mac on July 16, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: elephants on July 16, 2015, 06:27:12 PM
Hey lads, fair to say Mitch White is a fair way from AFL footy at the moment? Looking for a cheap defender that won't play in SC in order to emg loophole and you boys have the most Snday games remaining. Thanks lads!
Like a 10% chance of playing this year
Maybe 5%
Quote from: Big Mac on July 16, 2015, 05:59:26 PM
Bit of talk going around that we are in the race for Prestia from GC
Some supporters treating it as gospel but seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that he supported the dees as a kid
That and the 'my family friend went to school with someone in Dion's year level and he thinks it's a done deal' type of bullshower
Yeah I was reading that last week. Pure rumours, but even still, it got me ridiculously giddy.
I remember when Prestia was drafted (even before then), that he and his family were religiously melbourne supporters, so that much I can say is true.
Well, if there is ever a time that he wants out it would be now.
Hunt just about secured another contract with his 4 goal performance in the VFL today
Casey Scorpions 3.4.22 7.7.49 11.13.69 15.15.105
Northern Blues 1.2.8 4.3.27 5.3.33 9.4.58
Goals
Casey Scorpions Hunt 4 Jamar 3 Spencer 2 Byrnes Grimes M Jones King Michie Rutherford
Northern Blues Johnson Johnston Jaksch 2 Dirago Murray Watson
Best
Casey Scorpions Jamar Grimes McKenzie Hunt Hutchins Panozza
Northern Blues Jones Roberts Ballard Johnston Armitage Whiley
So in Hunt's only 3 VFL senior games, he has kicked 3, 2 and 4 goals respectively.
Impressive!
How good is Gawn?
Goldy and NicNat possibly the only other rucks in better form
Kicks it like a true big man though :P
Quote from: Big Mac on July 19, 2015, 10:33:40 PM
How good is Gawn?
Goldy and NicNat possibly the only other rucks in better form
Kicks it like a true big man though :P
I was particularly impressed with his second half... clunking those marks, and getting those tackles! Would have to agree on current form he is behind only those two.
I also think we don't say this enough, but Daniel Cross is a legend.
Dawes was everywhere in the first half marking everything too.
STINGING THE BLUES by KC from Casey
The Casey Scorpions strengthened their claims for a finals berth with a dominant second half leading to a comprehensive 47 point victory over the Northern Blues at Ikon Park on Saturday afternoon.
In cool but calm conditions, the Scorpions opened up strongly with three of the first four goals. The Casey big men were on top in the ruck with Mark Jamar and in front of goal with Jake Spencer booting the first and Max King scoring late in the term to give the team a 14 point lead at the first break.
Casey kept up its dominance with an early second quarter goal to Matt Jones which was met by a swift reply before Jamar, resting up forward, booted another at the six minute mark to restore a 20 point lead. The game lapsed into something of a scramble with lots of stoppages and very few bright passages of play and the visitors let their grip on the game slip when they conceded two goals after time on began. As has often been the case this year, Casey rallied late with goals to Jayden Hunt and a second to Spencer, both after the thirty minute mark and suddenly they were 22 points in front at half time.
The confidence that those two late goals brought to the team was priceless and led by their winning ruck which amassed 71 hit outs between them (Jamar 46, Spencer 25) to give the midfield an armchair ride, the Scorpions swept to a 46 point lead at the final break, with Hunt booting two more for the quarter. Elusive and genuinely quick, Hunt does not get a great deal of the football but what he does with it is particularly damaging.
The experience of Jack Grimes, Jordie McKenzie, Matt Jones and Viv Michie gave Casey the midfield edge whilst Dean Terlich, Evan Panozza and Jack Hutchins were steady in defence in a strong team effort that gave the team a comfortable win.
The victory was handy because it gave the Scorpions a two game buffer inside the top eight, with only one of the six remaining games left to be played against a team outside of that group.
2015 Peter Jackson VFL
Casey Scorpions 3.4.22 7.7.49 11.13.69 15.15.105
Northern Blues 1.2.8 4.3.27 5.3.33 9.4.58
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I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.
^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 20, 2015, 02:08:13 PM
I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.
^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.
whats happend how does he go from captain and one of the most promising players in the comp to not even getting a gig. Is his injury still hampening him?
Quote from: Holz on July 20, 2015, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 20, 2015, 02:08:13 PM
I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.
^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.
whats happend how does he go from captain and one of the most promising players in the comp to not even getting a gig. Is his injury still hampening him?
I guess he got a hand injury which was the reason for his omission last time, but overall no. Tbh I think he's been a little hard done by this year. He's still in contract anyway, so it probably won't happen.
Quote from: Holz on July 20, 2015, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 20, 2015, 02:08:13 PM
I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.
^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.
whats happend how does he go from captain and one of the most promising players in the comp to not even getting a gig. Is his injury still hampening him?
Main thing is probably Lumumba coming in, Salem playing off half back and Jetta + Dunn in terrific form the last two years (compared to where they were). Just no longer a spot for Grimes
Part of it I think too is that he had to drop his playing weight to stop the soft tissue injuries. Seems to have hindered his ability to defend a bit
I thought he has been hard done by also. Before the hand injury, he had a nice few games in a row there and did well.
FORMER co-captain Jack Trengove has received some positive news about his foot injury, with a scan revealing it is healing well and he is set to move into the next phase of his training program.
Elite performance manager Dave Misson said Trengove was delighted to hear the good news after meeting the surgeon early in the week.
“Jack had a CT scan yesterday (Monday) and a review with his surgeon and both of those were really positive,†he told Dee TV.
“The scan showed that his bone is continuing to heal and the surgeon was very positive about him moving into a running phase of his program over the next few weeks, and then progressing it over the next couple of months.
“Jack’s pretty pleased and we’ll sit down this week and have a look at what his program is structured like. But it’s real positive news for him. He’s a reasonably happy boy this morning.â€
Classy young Demon Christian Salem is also set to resume this weekend via the VFL, after being sidelined since round seven, due to a hamstring injury.
“Christian’s due to train tomorrow (Wednesday) and Friday, and then play in the VFL on Sunday,†Misson said.
“He’s completed a reasonably significant rehab and has trained well the last couple of weeks, so we’re looking forward to seeing him out there.â€
Powerful forward Dean Kent, who played in the AFL Victoria Development League last weekend â€" his first match since injuring his hamstring in round four against Richmond â€" suffered some tightness and will now be a test.
“He had a little bit of tightness after half an hour of playing,†Misson said.
“He was going to keep playing, but we were pretty conservative in our approach there.
“Scans don’t really show anything significant, so we’re going to treat it clinically and conservatively, and we’ll just see how he looks over the next couple of days. Whether we get him up to play this week or just give him another week â€" we’ll let it settle and [might] look for another couple of weeks’ time.â€
Big man Sam Frost (toe) remains sidelined for another five weeks.
“His running is progressing and for a bloke who’s been off his legs for a significant period of time, he’s always going to have a few little niggles, as he starts to run again,†Misson said.
“He’s starting to work through that and he’s getting some decent running sessions in.â€
Tall utility Cam Pedersen (wrist) and last year’s No.2 pick in the NAB AFL Draft Christian Petracca (knee), who are out for the rest of the season, continue to work diligently on their rehab programs.
“Pedo’s smashing the running. He’s doing a pre-season in July, so he’s going really well and he sees his surgeon next week to potentially get the wires out of that wrist. Then he’ll be able to start working on increasing the range, the wrist and the strength as well,†Misson said.
“Christian Petracca is working through his rehab running program and he’s doing some faster run throughs and he’ll look to move into some agility work in the next few weeks, so he’s going very well.â€
God, I've missed Salem in the side.
Kent too. To have both of them potentially in 2 weeks time will be great.
Yeah, I was always iffy with Salem. I pretty much had him in the same bracket as Toumpas at the start of the season. But Salem is silky smooth and clean, I can't wait for him to develop into the midfield.
Then there's Kent, we all know what the little pocket rocket can do.
Quote from: Barra13 on July 22, 2015, 10:00:03 AM
Yeah, I was always iffy with Salem. I pretty much had him in the same bracket as Toumpas at the start of the season. But Salem is silky smooth and clean, I can't wait for him to develop into the midfield.
Then there's Kent, we all know what the little pocket rocket can do.
I think I can vaguely remember the doubts on Salem before the season started. But I never had 'em ;) unlike Spuddernaut from about his third game in his career.
Is he actually going to be contracted next year, and with us?
I was hell bent on Salem before the season started and even considered getting his number on my jumper
Hogan too good though :P
I think its safe to say that we all placed unrealistic expectations on Hogan before the season started... and deep down, didn't really ever think he'd live up to them straight away.
Which just makes it unbelievable that he has lived up to these expectations, and totally blown me away. I do love him. Like, I love him.
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/19H8W/lols-ha-gay/image.png)
:P
I like the trio we've got going at the moment, Hogan, Viney and Tyson 8)
Tyson has been lame this year. He was much better last year.
Quote from: Barra13 on July 23, 2015, 11:36:04 AM
Tyson has been lame this year. He was much better last year.
Sneaky change :P
Yeah he has a little, but I'm pinning that on second year (second real year) blues.
Another close game this week too boys??
Lets hope not. A thrashing for St Kilda would be nice.
:P
Quote from: Barra13 on July 23, 2015, 01:19:25 PM
Lets hope not. A thrashing for St Kilda would be nice.
:P
Well we should of received one last weekend. But the Tiges decided to send in the reserves in that last quarter.
Delaney won't be able to hand feed Hogan 5 goals this time. Fish should get the job done on him.
Who do you think Vince or Viney will tag?
Salem named on the bench in the VFL 8)
Quote from: Pkbaldy on July 23, 2015, 01:03:39 PM
Another close game this week too boys??
Not sure I could handle another close one
If you're going to beat us get it done by 3/4 time so I don't have to watch it anymore :P
Another last second goal?? :P
I suppose it's that time again that comes around every now and then when I get all doomsday.
But yeah, flower this is a shower team. Is it ever going to improve?
The last time (coincidentally, against St Kilda), I said this year is a non-improvement.
I guess statistically it is an improvement.
I view this year as a non-progression, the 9th one in a row.
Just an awful, awful club doomed to be forever on the bottom.
You could say St Kilda as re-ignited this conclusion I made 5 weeks ago, but the jury came out again with that magnificent win against Geelong.
But yeah, I'm sure now.
Casey Scorpions 2.4.16 3.4.22 6.5.41 9.6.60
Collingwood 1.1.7 4.4.28 9.4.58 12.11.83
Rohan Bail 1 behind 30 disposals 10 kicks 20 handballs 5 marks 9 tackles 120 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 7 disposals 3 kicks 4 handballs 3 marks 1 tackle 31 dream team points
Mark Jamar 16 disposals 11 kicks 5 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 48 hit outs 119 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 2 goals 1 behind 11 disposals 8 kicks 3 handballs 1 mark 1 tackle 49 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 14 disposals 4 kicks 10 handballs 1 marks 7 tackles 63 dream team points
Max King 2 goals 13 disposals 9 kicks 4 handballs 7 marks 1 tackle 1 hit out 73 dream team points
Alex Neal-Bullen 40 disposals 18 kicks 22 handballs 5 marks 8 tackles 140 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 1 goal disposals kicks handballs marks tackles dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 1 goal 1 behind 30 disposals 17 kicks 13 handballs 6 marks 2 tackles 111 dream team points
Ben Newton 1 goal disposals kicks handballs marks tackles
Aidan Riley 21 disposals 8 kicks 13 handballs 1 marks 6 tackles 68 dream team points
Christian Salem 8 disposals 4 kicks 4 handballs 4 marks 2 tackles 37 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind disposals 2 kicks 7 handballs 1 mark 4 tackles 20 hit outs 60 dream team points
Dean Terlich 25 disposals 11 kicks 14 handballs 3 tackles 70 dream team points
Jimmy Toumpas 12 disposals 6 kicks 6 handballs 1 tackle 31 dream team points
Mitch White 2 goals 17 disposals 9 kicks 8 handballs 5 marks 4 tackles 83 dream team points
Also Pedersen is likely to return before seasons end which is good news. But ANB!? God damn.
Quote from: Barra13 on July 29, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
Alex Neal-Bullen 40 disposals 18 kicks 22 handballs 5 marks 8 tackles 140 dream team points
Get him back in
Dayum, ANB!
Was surprised Stretch was ahead of him tbh.
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 29, 2015, 05:38:47 PM
Dayum, ANB!
Was surprised Stretch was ahead of him tbh.
They kind of play different roles though
I'd like to see ANB get a run in the mids. Even if it is only for a qtr
ANB probably comes in for Stretch, although Brayshaw needs a rest and Harmes will probably head back to the VFL soon
Interesting to see that hack Damien Barrett brought up the Prestia rumour...
If anything that discourages me, coz anything he reports is utter garbage.
A bit of gold from Demonland today...
When I heard about Brisbane potentially asking for a priority pick, I thought well... pretty much exactly the OP at Demonland discussing it.
I lost my shower:
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Brisbane Lions to consider asking AFL for priority draft pick to rebuild their threadbare list
http://www.heraldsun...0-1227451366387
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tumblr_mazjy9e9Dg1rvbizho2_250.gif)
Laughed so hard ;D
Nice scalp today Dee's and good win. ;)
Well done lads! Deserved win.
But... just because...
Things that happened since the last time the Dees beat the Pies 9 years ago (which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match):
- Barack Obama elected
- Purple 77 hit puberty
- Dustin Fletcher was 31
- Global Financial Crisis
- Facebook was made public
I wonder what the world will be like in 2024 when you beat us next :P
But in all seriousness, clearly the better team, well done
Gawn was absolutely knackered on Saturday
Another big challenge for him this week, although Goldy struggled against the height of Sandilands so hopefully Gawn can do some damage
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
Well done lads! Deserved win.
But... just because...
Things that happened since the last time the Dees beat the Pies 9 years ago (which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match):
- Barack Obama elected
- Purple 77 hit puberty
- Dustin Fletcher was 31
- Global Financial Crisis
- Facebook was made public
I wonder what the world will be like in 2024 when you beat us next :P
But in all seriousness, clearly the better team, well done
You might finally hit puberty :P
More realistically, I guess ossie13 will :P
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 08:24:13 AM
Gawn was absolutely knackered on Saturday
Another big challenge for him this week, although Goldy struggled against the height of Sandilands so hopefully Gawn can do some damage
Yeah this week will be a massive test for him. Arguably the best in the comp at the moment and would even be doing pretty well in the Brownlow I reckon.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
Things that happened since the last time the Dees beat the Pies 9 years ago (which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match):
- Purple 77 hit puberty
I lolled.
Casey Scorpions 1.6.12 8.7.55 10.8.68 10.9.69
Werribee Tigers 3.2.20 4.5.29 11.10.76 12.10.82
Best: Fitzpatrick Riley Salem White Newton
Rohan Bail 17 disposals 12 kicks 5 handballs 2 marks 8 tackles 81 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 10 marks 77 dream team points
Mark Jamar 1 behind 14 disposals 11 kicks 3 handballs 47 hit outs 84 dream team points
Matt Jones 29 disposals 25 kicks 4 handballs 5 marks 13 tackles 145 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 6 disposals 3 kicks 3 handballs 9 tackles 48 dream team points
Max King 2 goals 1 behind 6 disposals 5 kicks 1 handball 2 marks 1 tackle 41 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 20 disposals 12 kicks 8 handballs 1 marks 11 tackles 97 dream team points
Ben Newton 2 goals 1 behind 21 disposals 14 kicks 7 handballs 1 mark 6 tackles 93 dream team points
Aidan Riley 29 disposals 13kicks 16 handballs 2 marks 13 tackles 121 dream team points
Christian Salem 1 goal 14 disposals 8 kicks 6 handballs 1 mark 5 tackles 65 dream team points
Jake Spencer 12 disposals 6 kicks 6 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 32 hit outs 84 dream team points
Dean Terlich 1 goal 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 handballs 1 mark 2 tackles 39 dream team points
Jimmy Toumpas 1 goal two behinds 15 disposals 7 kicks 8 handballs 3 marks 7 tackles 79 dream team points
Mitch White 18 disposals 12 kicks 6 handballs 3marks 1 tackles 62 dream team points
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Christian Salem: Was good for Christian to blow out a few more cobwebs. Clearly still a gallop short of the form he was showing over the first 6 rounds, but I thought he worked into the game well. Wet hard at the contests and kicked a nice goal. I'd say he was one of our best in the 2nd half when we didn't have many good players. And given Melbourne won on the weekend and Casey lost, it wouldn't hurt to give him another run at VFL level, just to make sure he's cherry ripe for the final 4 games.
Jimmy Toumpas: Start of the year, I thought he was in trouble Jimmy. Then by half way through the season I though he was turning it around, but now I feel he's in trouble again. Did a few nice things, especially in the 2nd term, and he tried to run hard to create some spread, but he just looked to be lacking any real spark. He wasn't terrible by any stretch, but he didn't do anything to stake claims for a recall either. He may be up for trade at years end...
Jordie McKenzie: I feel I write the same things about Jordie every time I watch him at VFL level. Played pretty well and tried his guts out, but that's all I can really say about Jordie. He's commited, but just lacks polish as we all know.
Ben Newton: Played very well, and kicked two absolute classic goals which showed he was a touch above. Just a shame he doesn't do it as consistently at AFL level, but he's clearly got tools worth persisting with. Would be nice if he could get a little higher numbers at VFL level, but he was still one of our best.
Jay Kennedy-Harris: Odd game for Jay. I actually think from the coaches point of view, you couldn't be to disapointed with his game, as he did all the sorts of things you want him to be doing. He chased, tackled and harassed very well I thought. The problem was he had next to no impact on the game and didn't have many touches at all. He was putting in, was pretty clear to see. He just got a big fat 0 on the results side of things for himself.
Aidan Riley: Probably our most consistent player over the 4 Quarters. Typical Pig Dog game. Hard as anything and bottom of every pack. If only he was either an elite kick of had really good pace. But with neither of those things, he just lets down a lot of his good work. Had a chance to get us back within 2 points in the final term, only to kick the ball out on the full along with any chances of us getting the win.
Mark Jamar: He and Spencil dominated the first half, but they probably had their colours lowered in the 2nd half by Wallace & Daw, especially Russian. He was very good in the first half, and was getting a bit of the ball, as he has done the last few weeks. But in the 2nd half Russian went quiet and that's when Werribee got ontop in the midfield. The rest in history. Still think someone will pick him up next year.
Mitch White: Named in the best and not surprising. He was the main reason for our dominant 2nd term IMO. His run and drive from the half back line was first class, and set up many of our forward 50 runs. A lot more attention was paid to him in the 2nd half, but he was still able to get invovled in the play and get a bit of the ball. Just not to the same effect as the 2nd term. His defensive work was pretty strong also.
Jake Spencer: See Jamar, however I thought Spencer actually got better as the game went on, and I thought along with Riley, they were our two best in the 2nd half. His ruck work wasn't the best itself, but he worked really hard around the ground. Spencil's biggest issue is that he just offers nothing as a forward. So once King went off, Casey really struggled going forward only having one of Spencer or Jamar to kick to.
Rohan Bail: Like Kennedy-Harris, had no impact, however when he did get the ball, he turned it over a bit. For me personally, I thought this was Bail's worst game at VFL level that I've seen.
Matt Jones: See Bail comments. Now to be fair to all of Jones, Bail & Toumpas, it wasn't a game for the outsiders today, but we just got very little value, especially from an impact point of view, even if Matty did get a bit of the ball.
Dean Terlich: Played a very good first half, and when he got hit high in the third term he got up very groggy and came off with concussion never to come back on. Free kick was missed, instead he was called for holding the ball and Werribee kicked their first of 4 goals from free kicks in the 3rd quarter alone. So once Terlich came off the game started to change as he was marking and intercepting 50% of the ball that came forward in the first half with Fitz taking the other 50%.
Max King: Was playing nicely. Had kicked a nice goal from a great pack mark, could have had two first half goals. Took another strong mark early in the 3rd term when things were looking good. He then did his hammy and was not spotted again. I saw him on the bench and he didn't have much strapped to it, so hopefully it's only a minor strain and he'll be back in 2-3 weeks for finals. But his absence was felt in our forward structure.
Jack Fitzpatrick: Brought his own footy in the first half. Was marking everything and looking a world beater. Barely sighted in the 2nd half and his man actually kicked a couple on him also. Think he's got a future Fitz, just not with us as he'll likely seek greener pastures. I actually hope we give him a few games before seasons end to boost us his price as someone may score a key position defender on the cheap from us with Fitz.
I thought that was the MFC review for a minute, so I was pretty surprised that the VFL coach would say Jimmy would be up for trade EOS :P
He missed the guy I care most about, Jayden Hunt :-\
That's the second raving review I've heard in a row for Mitch White...
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level
I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
Highlights:
Sam Frost is now "5 weeks" instead of "4 to 6 weeks".
Dean Kent's ailment is nothing more than hamstring "tightness" which will be monitored.
Christian Salem is back - probably half a game at Casey this week.
Jack Trengove has the all clear to start running on a special programme.
Melbourne injury list: round 17
Sam Frost (toe) - 5 weeks
Dean Kent (hamstring tightness) - test
Cam Pedersen (wrist) - season
Christian Petracca (knee) - season
Christian Salem (hamstring) - available
Jack Trengove (foot) - season
What a troll lol
Why would they change Sam Frost to 5 weeks?
Haha I know right, it's been 4-6 for ages and then 5 weeks is the end of season. Nice one Misson.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level
I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
And Toumpas is going much better? Such a talent in the U18s, turned to shower. He's lucky he hasn't copped it as bad as Tambling did when he was playing.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level
I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
And Toumpas is going much better? Such a talent in the U18s, turned to shower. He's lucky he hasn't copped it as bad as Tambling did when he was playing.
Toumpas might not be progressing as fast as we'd like, but at least he's progressing
Quote from: Big Mac on August 04, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level
I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
And Toumpas is going much better? Such a talent in the U18s, turned to shower. He's lucky he hasn't copped it as bad as Tambling did when he was playing.
Toumpas might not be progressing as fast as we'd like, but at least he's progressing
So you're not fearing it's going to be the same progression rate at Mr Watts? Which is still in the works... 6 Years and counting.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 04, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level
I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
And Toumpas is going much better? Such a talent in the U18s, turned to shower. He's lucky he hasn't copped it as bad as Tambling did when he was playing.
Toumpas might not be progressing as fast as we'd like, but at least he's progressing
So you're not fearing it's going to be the same progression rate at Mr Watts? Which is still in the works... 6 Years and counting.
Who's next? Maybe you can pay out on Grimes? Perhaps you could bring up Tapscott, or Strauss?
Quote from: Big Mac on August 04, 2015, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 04, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level
I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
And Toumpas is going much better? Such a talent in the U18s, turned to shower. He's lucky he hasn't copped it as bad as Tambling did when he was playing.
Toumpas might not be progressing as fast as we'd like, but at least he's progressing
So you're not fearing it's going to be the same progression rate at Mr Watts? Which is still in the works... 6 Years and counting.
Who's next? Maybe you can pay out on Grimes? Perhaps you could bring up Tapscott, or Strauss?
Settle down twinkle toes. Just saying.
Grimes is a gun. Just unlucky with injuries. Ive always rated hum highly.
Nothing at all wrong with Watts ::) he was always gonna take longer.
Toumpas though? Reckon he'll get delisted. My grieving period of a wasted draft pick number 4 is over. I want him gone.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
Well done lads! Deserved win.
But... just because...
Things that happened since the last time the Dees beat the Pies 9 years ago (which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match):
- Barack Obama elected
- Purple 77 hit puberty
- Dustin Fletcher was 31
- Global Financial Crisis
- Facebook was made public
I wonder what the world will be like in 2024 when you beat us next :P
But in all seriousness, clearly the better team, well done
The game will be called the "Inter Stellar Cup" Eddie in his role as "AFL Supreme Overlord" will have an expansion plan involving games on Mars
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 04, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Nothing at all wrong with Watts ::) he was always gonna take longer.
Toumpas though? Reckon he'll get delisted. My grieving period of a wasted draft pick number 4 is over. I want him gone.
I'd atleast try get what I can for him :P
Adelaide and Port were SOOOO keen on him, 2nd rounder from either one of them. Could be possible?
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 04, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Nothing at all wrong with Watts ::) he was always gonna take longer.
Toumpas though? Reckon he'll get delisted. My grieving period of a wasted draft pick number 4 is over. I want him gone.
I'd atleast try get what I can for him :P
Adelaide and Port were SOOOO keen on him, 2nd rounder from either one of them. Could be possible?
Pls no
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 04, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Nothing at all wrong with Watts ::) he was always gonna take longer.
Toumpas though? Reckon he'll get delisted. My grieving period of a wasted draft pick number 4 is over. I want him gone.
I'd atleast try get what I can for him :P
Adelaide and Port were SOOOO keen on him, 2nd rounder from either one of them. Could be possible?
I reckon that's what we'll try and do, yeah.
He has been the guy I
love hate to hate this year :P
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 04, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 05:48:38 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level
I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
And Toumpas is going much better? Such a talent in the U18s, turned to shower. He's lucky he hasn't copped it as bad as Tambling did when he was playing.
Toumpas might not be progressing as fast as we'd like, but at least he's progressing
So you're not fearing it's going to be the same progression rate at Mr Watts? Which is still in the works... 6 Years and counting.
Watts is a decent player, if people forgot he was a number 1 pick and instead rated him as a player he is just your average journeyman. If you picked him up in the second round people would probably think he was a decent pick up.
Toumpas however hasnt shown anything.
Toumpas' 3rd quarter against St Kilda (in our first match against them) was actually pretty damn good.
He has had some OK quarters along the way this year...
But yeah. GET OFF MY LIST!
Quote from: TomK on August 04, 2015, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 04, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Nothing at all wrong with Watts ::) he was always gonna take longer.
Toumpas though? Reckon he'll get delisted. My grieving period of a wasted draft pick number 4 is over. I want him gone.
I'd atleast try get what I can for him :P
Adelaide and Port were SOOOO keen on him, 2nd rounder from either one of them. Could be possible?
Pls no
Haha out of nowhere.
Quote from: Barra13 on August 05, 2015, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: TomK on August 04, 2015, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 04, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Nothing at all wrong with Watts ::) he was always gonna take longer.
Toumpas though? Reckon he'll get delisted. My grieving period of a wasted draft pick number 4 is over. I want him gone.
I'd atleast try get what I can for him :P
Adelaide and Port were SOOOO keen on him, 2nd rounder from either one of them. Could be possible?
Pls no
Haha out of nowhere.
Hahah I'd be so mad if we picked him up.
http://m.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/bernie-vince-has-put-himself-in-all-australian-contention-following-a-standout-year-for-melbourne/story-e6frf3e3-1227470977297 (http://m.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/bernie-vince-has-put-himself-in-all-australian-contention-following-a-standout-year-for-melbourne/story-e6frf3e3-1227470977297)
Nice write up on the tennis ball
Vince and Garlett have been amazing pick ups so far considering what we paid for them. Hopefully we'll be saying the same thing about Frost in a couple years
Loved reading that.
Quote from: TomK on August 05, 2015, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 05, 2015, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: TomK on August 04, 2015, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 04, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Nothing at all wrong with Watts ::) he was always gonna take longer.
Toumpas though? Reckon he'll get delisted. My grieving period of a wasted draft pick number 4 is over. I want him gone.
I'd atleast try get what I can for him :P
Adelaide and Port were SOOOO keen on him, 2nd rounder from either one of them. Could be possible?
Pls no
Haha out of nowhere.
Hahah I'd be so mad if we picked him up.
You wouldn't be alone there mate.
I actually cannot stop watching my gif
That one is one of my favourite moments this year.
Up there along with Lumumba's winning round 1 goal, and Hogan's 32 goals. So it is about my 33rd favourite moment :P
even I enjoyed that tackle
well, dunno if enjoyed is the right word but it was an awesome tackle
I do remember giving it a little clap
I reckon a boxing match with Weller v Viney would be good to see, both tough as nails.
Just out of interest wanted to see how other key forwards who went on to kick a few sausage rolls fared in the first seasons in front of goal:
Dunstall - 36.27
Hogan - 32
Fevolution - 26.29
N Riewoldt - 21.18 (2nd season)
Buddy - 21.13
Plugger - 19.7
Pavlich - 14.9
J Reiwoldt - 7.3 (Didn't kick over 30 until 3rd year)
Roughead - 6.5
Quote from: Barra13 on August 07, 2015, 10:18:58 AM
Just out of interest wanted to see how other key forwards who went on to kick a few sausage rolls fared in the first seasons in front of goal:
Dunstall - 36.27
Hogan - 32
Fevolution - 26.29
N Riewoldt - 21.18 (2nd season)
Buddy - 21.13
Plugger - 19.7
Pavlich - 14.9
J Reiwoldt - 7.3 (Didn't kick over 30 until 3rd year)
Roughead - 6.5
Where's Cameron? :P
Keep in mind that Hogan had a year to bulk up in the gym, and as a mini draft pick also had the benefit of training with the club pre-first year
Quote from: Ziplock on August 07, 2015, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 07, 2015, 10:18:58 AM
Just out of interest wanted to see how other key forwards who went on to kick a few sausage rolls fared in the first seasons in front of goal:
Dunstall - 36.27
Hogan - 32
Fevolution - 26.29
N Riewoldt - 21.18 (2nd season)
Buddy - 21.13
Plugger - 19.7
Pavlich - 14.9
J Reiwoldt - 7.3 (Didn't kick over 30 until 3rd year)
Roughead - 6.5
Where's Cameron? :P
Keep in mind that Hogan had a year to bulk up in the gym, and as a mini draft pick also had the benefit of training with the club pre-first year
Agreed most weren't already 20 entering into the season either, that removing the fact as you said he was a mini draft pick
on that note
Martin Crouch JOM Hogan all look real good. I dont mind this early drafting thing to get on a list. Something they should look into.
Draft 1 year earlier keep on list but they cant play till the year after.
However true, they were all just as inexperienced as Hogan is.
Wonder how many goals those players kicked in their second years?
Still, you gotta admit that he is tracking onto to stardom.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-08-07/jack-hits-the-track (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-08-07/jack-hits-the-track)
MIDFIELDER Jack Trengove has taken another big step in his return from a foot injury, completing his first running session at Gosch’s Paddock at Melbourne training on Friday morning.
Trengove’s teammates made the occasion a special one, teaming up with the Demon Army, who made a special banner congratulating him on his ‘50m run-through’.
Ruckman Max Gawn organised the banner and along with Jack Watts, spoke to the group about his teammate’s hard work to get back to training.
Supported by his team mates, who lined up either side of him, Trengove ran through the banner then continued through with his running.
Trengove played his most recent game of football in April 2014, before a foot injury sidelined him for the remainder of the season.
A setback with his injury in October 2014 meant further surgery, which ruled the former co-captain out of the 2015 season.
Trengove recently signed a contract extension until the end of the 2016 season and is working towards his return to AFL football.
Was good to see :)
It would be fantastic to see Jack on the field and playing to his potential next year. Reckon he could be the player to replace Daniel Cross eventually?
This was a moment I lol'd at last week. Was tempted to make it my gif, but I don't want to disrespect Hogan.
(http://j.gifs.com/y4zE6E.gif)
"I got my eye on you" *laughs manically*
Can't see it?
Quote from: Barra13 on August 10, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
Can't see it?
Oh. Well, its just Nathan Jones being dragged off a collingwood player looking crazy :P
(http://i.imgur.com/9EYFaFv.png)
Did Toumpas get injured or something? Or, like the supporters, has he given up on his AFL career?
Hunt had his first non-impactful game... everyone is human.
Salem tho :D back in the team next week?
Also good to see JKH get the ball.
From a bystander;
QuoteI was there and you can give up on Toumpas. Will be lucky to get pick 50 for him I'd reckon but if you can, start again with a kid that possesses some of the right traits: pace/running, competitiveness and elite kicking.
Unfortunately Toumpas has none of these. He panics with the ball even in the vfl. Put one out on the full when he had more time. Dropped a chest mark that he had to wait under which BH took straight down for a goal. Not powerful or strong enough to break a single tackle, and so slow that he continually gets caught. I have never seen anything in a game to suggest he's an elite kick, as the talk was when he was drafted.
Wow Toump
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 10, 2015, 11:43:48 AM
Did Toumpas get injured or something? Or, like the supporters, has he given up on his AFL career?
He'd be hoping he has an injury after that performance. There's no defending it
MELBOURNE'S midfield depth has taken a hit, with burly onballer Aaron vandenBerg likely to miss the rest of the season with an ankle injury.
The rookie revelation injured his ankle at training last Friday and was replaced by Matt Jones for Sunday's game against North Melbourne at the MCG.
The Demons expect him to be sidelined for up to three weeks, meaning he will be touch and go for the club's final game against Greater Western Sydney on September 6.
"He was just doing some one-on-one marking at training and it was a pretty innocuous landing incident with his ankle," elite performance manager Dave Misson told the club’s website.
"The ankle’s pretty sore and it’s pretty swollen, so we’ll just assess it as we go.
"He’ll miss at least a couple of weeks, but we’ll just monitor that over the next few days."
The elevated rookie, who recently re-signed until the end of 2017, was one of Melbourne's best when the Demons upset the Bulldogs by 39 points in round eight.
That day, he finished with 29 disposals and 11 tackles in his finest performance for the year.
He has averaged a tick under 17 disposals and five tackles per game this season.
Pressure around the ball was a key component of the Demons' round-eight win and they will miss the 24-year-old's presence for Sunday's clash at Etihad Stadium.
However, midfielder Aidan Riley could be called upon to fill that void after collecting 36 disposals while playing for Casey in the VFL at the weekend.
Defender Christian Salem could also return to the senior side after three games back at the lower level, following a stint on the sidelines with a hamstring injury.
Salem's kicking skills from half-back have been desperately missed since he went out of the side in round seven, and he will be seriously considered for the match against the Dogs.
Speedy half-forward Dean Kent is listed as one week away from resuming after a setback in his recovery from a serious hamstring problem.
Tall utility Sam Frost is a three-week proposition in his battle with a lingering toe complaint, meaning his season may also be over.
Damn, a big fan of Vanders :(
Least Salem might be back :D
No point in even considering Frost coming back
His holidays can start now and he can start his preseason like 6 weeks early :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 07:13:56 PM
Damn, a big fan of Vanders :(
Least Salem might be back :D
Rate Vanders pretty highly to. Only took a couple of games to realise you've got a good one there.
do u guys think Vandenberg has potential to be a premo mid
another preseason will be good for him
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 11, 2015, 09:00:44 PM
do u guys think Vandenberg has potential to be a premo mid
another preseason will be good for him
Aww, will see how he handles a second year in the AFL. He could be one of those guys that never plays as well as his first year.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 11, 2015, 09:00:44 PM
do u guys think Vandenberg has potential to be a premo mid
another preseason will be good for him
Aww, will see how he handles a second year in the AFL. He could be one of those guys that never plays as well as his first year.
*cough* Dean Terlich *cough*
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 11, 2015, 09:00:44 PM
do u guys think Vandenberg has potential to be a premo mid
another preseason will be good for him
Aww, will see how he handles a second year in the AFL. He could be one of those guys that never plays as well as his first year.
*cough* Dean Terlich *cough*
In fairness, he was never good :P It was more a matter of everyone else around him being so much worse :(
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 11, 2015, 09:00:44 PM
do u guys think Vandenberg has potential to be a premo mid
another preseason will be good for him
Aww, will see how he handles a second year in the AFL. He could be one of those guys that never plays as well as his first year.
*cough* Dean Terlich *cough*
In fairness, he was never good :P It was more a matter of everyone else around him being so much worse :(
haha oi! Big ol 80 average in DT m8 :p
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 11, 2015, 09:00:44 PM
do u guys think Vandenberg has potential to be a premo mid
another preseason will be good for him
Aww, will see how he handles a second year in the AFL. He could be one of those guys that never plays as well as his first year.
*cough* Dean Terlich *cough*
In fairness, he was never good :P It was more a matter of everyone else around him being so much worse :(
haha oi! Big ol 80 average in DT m8 :p
DT doesn't punish skill errors :P and oh goodness was he good at those lol
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 11, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 11, 2015, 09:00:44 PM
do u guys think Vandenberg has potential to be a premo mid
another preseason will be good for him
Aww, will see how he handles a second year in the AFL. He could be one of those guys that never plays as well as his first year.
*cough* Dean Terlich *cough*
In fairness, he was never good :P It was more a matter of everyone else around him being so much worse :(
haha oi! Big ol 80 average in DT m8 :p
DT doesn't punish skill errors :P and oh goodness was he good at those lol
I ignored his SC average because "SC is corrupt"... Not really haha
“IT was clearly our most disappointing and worst performance that we’ve had this year, after making some really good improvements, particularly from an alignment point of view. We lacked effort and composure and Box Hill is a very structured, well coached team and it played very well. We were made to look second rate, so we were disappointed in all areas of our game, including our effort to compete and our attitude. We only had three or four winners on the day, so it made it very hard to compete at a level that was acceptable. From the word go we were on the back foot and we were well and truly beaten in the end.†â€" Justin Plapp
Rohan Bail: We thought Rohan was our best player for the day. He won his position and made a pretty decent contribution to the way we wanted to play. Rohan had 23 possessions and kicked two goals.
Jayden Hunt: Jayden was disappointing. He had been challenged through illness leading up to the match, and ended up with six possessions and no tackles. He’s a kid that’s got to be able to respond, but unfortunately Hunty didn’t have a good day. I’m sure he will respond in a positive manner.
Mark Jamar: Russian had 15 possessions, 24 hit outs and one effective tackle for the day. His strengths are around centre bounces and stoppages, and he won that area of the game pretty well. But, like a lot of the team, he wasn’t at his best.
Jay Kennedy-Harris: There was some improvement from Jay this week. He had 24 possessions and two effective tackles. Jay had a couple of opportunities to hit the scoreboard, but his inability to finish off his work was disappointing. He’s certainly building after some quieter weeks.
Jordie McKenzie: He had 17 possessions and three effective tackles. Jordie tried and was pretty strong around the football. But he didn’t have a lot of impact on the game. He had an inside tagging role on Jonathan Simpkin and then was moved onto Jed Anderson. Jordie played his role, but we would’ve liked a bit more output from him.
Ben Newton: Newts had four effective tackles and 15 possessions. We would’ve liked a lot more out of him. His ball use was OK at times, but he didn’t win enough of the football and we need him with the ball in his hands. He was disappointing, but he gets another opportunity to respond this weekend.
Aidan Riley: Aidan was good. He had 35 possessions and four effective tackles. Aidan was really positive and influential around the stoppages. He won numerous critical contests, but let himself down a couple of times with missed kicks and the effectiveness of his disposals. Aidan really tried over the course of the game.
Christian Salem: We were really happy with Christian’s game. He had 23 disposals and five effective tackles. He played various roles, including inside mid and back. His ball use was good and some of his inside work was strong as well. He’s building to play in the AFL again and he’s heading in the right direction. It was his third game back from injury and we were happy with his effort and performance.
Jake Spencer: Spence had 14 possessions, one effective tackle and two goals. Both of those goals came from ground level contests, where he finished his work off really well. He played in the ruck and had 23 hit outs. Jake dropped some marks, which we expected him to take, so that’s an area for him to work on this week. But his effort levels were good and he hit the scoreboard, which was positive.
Billy Stretch: It was a quieter game from Billy. He had 11 disposals and two effective tackles. Billy struggled to get into the game, but it’s been a long year for first year players. He’s been challenged from a loading point of view and it can be a bit of a burnout time of the year for first year players. His effort was there, but he didn’t have a great day.
Dean Terlich: Terls had 25 possessions and two effective tackles. He made a couple of costly mistakes, which ended up as opposition goals. Dean took a couple of really courageous marks coming back with the flight of the ball. We’re really encouraging Terls to get a more consistent balance between his offense and defence, but his effort was good on the day. Like a lot of other players, we needed a bit more out of him.
Jimmy Toumpas: Toump didn’t have one of his best performances. He was ill leading up to the match and it didn’t help his preparation. It was a day that Toump would want to forget. We’re hoping that he’ll respond well during the week and his preparation is a lot better than last week, due to illness. He was disappointing unfortunately.
Mitch White: Whitey was really good in patches, but then he lost concentration at times. His communication needed to be better in a few situations. He had 14 possessions and three effective tackles, playing half-back and a little bit forward. Mitch took a couple of strong mark from opposition kicks, but he’s another first year player and it’s been a long year for some of these kids. We’re trying to get them through and keep them as fresh as possible. But he didn’t disgrace himself on the day.
Melbourne injury list: round 20
Jack Fitzpatrick (ill) â€" available
Sam Frost (toe) â€" 3 weeks
Dean Kent (hamstring) â€" 1 week
Max King (hamstring) â€" 2 weeks
Oscar McDonald (groin) â€" available
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) â€" 3 weeks
Christian Petracca (knee) â€" season
Jack Trengove (foot) â€" season
Aaron vandenBerg (ankle) â€" 3 weeks
Toumpas was ill ay? Convenient excuse...
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 12, 2015, 12:50:32 PM
Toumpas was ill ay? Convenient excuse...
In fairness, Watts was sick leading into the Dees AFL match and Roos said on AFL 360 that theres a bug going around the club haha
Yeah Fitzy also had it as per the "ill" on his out. He was supposed to play VFL. Matt Jones came in for vandenBerg who was sick as well apparently.
Also says Hunt was sick ^
If they were that bad, they wouldn't have played. They declared themselves fit so they are subject to criticism.
But I also don't like Toumpas I guess, so maybe I'm a bit harsh
I want to hear Demon supporters' thoughts on Aidan Riley. He has the potential, but will he ever be a starter for the club? I just can't see him competing with all the other young talent the club has in the midfield and as a vest player at best (I need to make delistments in my fantasy team and due to depth alone, I may have to drop him before players such as Ted Richards (I pray that I never resort to playing Teddy haha).
He racks up in the VFL, however he can't earn a vest free game in the main team and I'm starting to think of him as another 'Sam Blease' type. Just can't see him break through ahead of Jones, Salem, Toumpas, Viney, 'a fit' Trengove, Brayshaw, Tyson, Stretch, Newton (and he isn't even pivotal to the Dees), Michie (another non-essential I see getting call-ups over him), Vince, JKH, Petracca, ANB, Grimes, & vandenBerg.
What are your thoughts on Riley as a prospective fantasy football player?
By the way, Paul Roos has done a fantasy job building the midfield depth at the club. The midfield has gone from laughing-stock to future champions
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 12, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
I want to hear Demon supporters' thoughts on Aidan Riley. He has the potential, but will he ever be a starter for the club? I just can't see him competing with all the other young talent the club has in the midfield and as a vest player at best (I need to make delistments in my fantasy team and due to depth alone, I may have to drop him before players such as Ted Richards (I pray that I never resort to playing Teddy haha).
He racks up in the VFL, however he can't earn a vest free game in the main team and I'm starting to think of him as another 'Sam Blease' type. Just can't see him break through ahead of Jones, Salem, Toumpas, Viney, 'a fit' Trengove, Brayshaw, Tyson, Stretch, Newton (and he isn't even pivotal to the Dees), Michie (another non-essential I see getting call-ups over him), Vince, JKH, Petracca, ANB, Grimes, & vandenBerg.
What are your thoughts on Riley as a prospective fantasy football player?
By the way, Paul Roos has done a fantasy job building the midfield depth at the club. The midfield has gone from laughing-stock to future champions
I can see why you make the comparison but I think Blease and Riley are quite the opposite. Blease had the talent to make it, but never had the work ethic (I think it's too late for him now). Riley works very hard, but doesn't have the talent. His contested game is great, and so is his tackling, not as good as Viney but in the same league imo. But he's slow, has poor skills and can't really impact the game offensively.
When Riley has cracked the team he has been forced to play a small forward role, never really getting a proper run in the mids and so he hasn't really been given a fair go. Although, that may be an indication on how Roos sees Riley's future
Still a long way to go until our midfield can match it with some other teams, hopefully the building blocks are there though
Quote from: Big Mac on August 12, 2015, 09:26:59 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 12, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
I want to hear Demon supporters' thoughts on Aidan Riley. He has the potential, but will he ever be a starter for the club? I just can't see him competing with all the other young talent the club has in the midfield and as a vest player at best (I need to make delistments in my fantasy team and due to depth alone, I may have to drop him before players such as Ted Richards (I pray that I never resort to playing Teddy haha).
He racks up in the VFL, however he can't earn a vest free game in the main team and I'm starting to think of him as another 'Sam Blease' type. Just can't see him break through ahead of Jones, Salem, Toumpas, Viney, 'a fit' Trengove, Brayshaw, Tyson, Stretch, Newton (and he isn't even pivotal to the Dees), Michie (another non-essential I see getting call-ups over him), Vince, JKH, Petracca, ANB, Grimes, & vandenBerg.
What are your thoughts on Riley as a prospective fantasy football player?
By the way, Paul Roos has done a fantasy job building the midfield depth at the club. The midfield has gone from laughing-stock to future champions
I can see why you make the comparison but I think Blease and Riley are quite the opposite. Blease had the talent to make it, but never had the work ethic (I think it's too late for him now). Riley works very hard, but doesn't have the talent. His contested game is great, and so is his tackling, not as good as Viney but in the same league imo. But he's slow, has poor skills and can't really impact the game offensively.
When Riley has cracked the team he has been forced to play a small forward role, never really getting a proper run in the mids and so he hasn't really been given a fair go. Although, that may be an indication on how Roos sees Riley's future
Still a long way to go until our midfield can match it with some other teams, hopefully the building blocks are there though
Cheers mate
Very insightful, exactly what I was hoping for :)
I agree with Mac here; Pig Dog has the heart but not the talent. I also think he has never truly been given a fair go at his prime position i.e. full-time inside mid, but that may be because Roos doesn't reckon he has the skills to deliver in comparison to our other contested animals such as Jones and Viney.
I think he is out of contract BM? If so, reckon this is his last year on the demons list.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 12, 2015, 10:29:49 PM
I agree with Mac here; Pig Dog has the heart but not the talent. I also think he has never truly been given a fair go at his prime position i.e. full-time inside mid, but that may be because Roos doesn't reckon he has the skills to deliver in comparison to our other contested animals such as Jones and Viney.
I think he is out of contract BM? If so, reckon this is his last year on the demons list.
Cheers mate :)
I will be following all clubs' delistings closely (hoping for a lot from Port at the end of the season)
It's funny what one season can do. Who do you want to see out the door PSK?
Quote from: Barra13 on August 13, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
It's funny what one season can do. Who do you want to see out the door PSK?
I'm not sure - more fixed on replacements. If Port could drop Schulz and recruit Dixon, that would be a good start.
Aaron Young is pretty useless, Lobbe has had a bad season (so delisting him based upon his 2015 performance would be a bit myopic). It's tough, because some of these players have potential (e.g. Clurey, Moore, Sam Gray etc.) and I'd hate to see they strive in another team if Port dropped them, however I can't see the club ever going for a premiership while they are on the list.
Butcher is a big one who needs to go (and I wouldn't miss him), Monfries is a big one (the guy has been useless - one of our best in our bad games, easily the worst when the team does well though - however, his role is to apply forward pressure and not kick goals so it might be because he is forced to take on the additional role when the team is doing poorly). One tall forward isn't enough for the club, and Ryder is a premier ruck man but will never be a 2nd tall up forward (his transfer effected both him and Lobbe so although Ryder had some good games, I would call the trade a loss for 2015 - if we waited a year we would have the salary cap for Dixon which would be a far more effective team-up with Schulz).
Will have to see what Hinkley does, I really trust Hinkley and rate him, so I will stand by his delistings. The club probably wasn't ready for Cornes departure and Polec seems like our crucial outside mid (honestly, 10,000x better than Matt White). But I don't like the fact that our club's run is contingent upon one 22 year old >:( It's just not good enough. So far the only players in the club that I am proud of this season are Boak, Gray, Wingard, Hombsch (finally cracked against the bulldogs), & Wines. Three of them carried our midfield (with Polec when he was fit), Wingard carried our forwards, and Hombsch (with inconsistent help from Broadbent and even more inconsistent help from Pittard) carried our defence. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Last season I was proud of all our players (besides Butcher and Moore), I used to make jokes that "there were only 22 players you could choose from" to win the Brownlow :P . This season that pride has dropped to 5 players!!! Big changes need to be made because the comp. has cracked our running gameplan. The Demons & Saints were the only teams it worked against (two young teams), Nth Melbourne just fell short going head-to-head (but I would not doubt that they are the fitter team now), and Hawthorn only took a half-time break to work out an effective counter. Port need to stop relying on a niche that every team can read (because next year the Demons & Saint will counter it and win) and start backing their players to play low risk effective footy (a traditional style followed by most of the comp.), even then I can only see the kids competing for 6th at best.
I would credit Hinkley for our resurgence, the only problem is a team that relies on one specific gameplan will always be stopped with preparation. Teach the players a specific role, and have them practice it to perfection (like Hawthorn, West Coast, Sydney, Geelong, & Freo) and than you have a team at the top of the rankings. The problem the gameplan made us relevant again, however without a contingency plan the Crows, Pies, Cats, & Richmond are now far further through their development than us. The Saints, Demons, Gold Coast & GWS are catching up. The Bulldogs are another team that will face the same problem as Port in the future, I'm sure Beveridge, unlike Hinkley, will have something ready though for when teams work out its logistics. I think Hinkley was a specialist at a single gameplan, it will be interesting to see whether he has the ability to conjure up another. The players we are investing in don't seem worth it either (i.e. Mitch Harvey, Brandon Ah Chee etc.), I see much more talented prospects in other clubs developing youths. Port need to realise that just making a player 'fit' isn't enough anymore or we could fall back to our status from 2008-2012 - and this time, the talented players will leave :-\
The cause of Port's inconsistent performance is their consistently utilised strategy (no element of surprise gives opposition teams time to plan days in advance) :-\
Just read this;
exactly what I was talking about
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-13/hinkley-has-faith-in-ryderlobbe-combination (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-13/hinkley-has-faith-in-ryderlobbe-combination)
Hinkley is stubborn with our gameplan and until he admits this the team will slowly edge closer to being 'easy beats' >:(
Empirical evidence alone indicates WE NEED A PLAN B
What has happened to Hartlett this year? Looked like being a gun at times last year.
Casey Scorpions
B: Hutchins Fitzpatrick Terlich
HB: White Grimes Stretch
C: Salem Newton Neal-Bullen
HF: Gent Hunt Kennedy-Harris
F: Byrnes O McDonald Harmes
FOLL: Jamar Riley Michie
I/C (from): Bail Keilty Lovett* McKenzie Moncrieff Morris Muir Munro Page Rutherford Scott Spencer Toumpas
Contract talks have re-opened with Jeremy Howe.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-14/demons-restart-jeremy-howe-contract-talks (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-14/demons-restart-jeremy-howe-contract-talks)
Quote from: Barra13 on August 14, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
Contract talks have re-opened with Jeremy Howe.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-14/demons-restart-jeremy-howe-contract-talks (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-14/demons-restart-jeremy-howe-contract-talks)
Huh. Thought he was all but gone.
This has surprised me.
Likely realised he isn't worth as much on the open market as he thought, I reckon his best financial deal is at Melbourne
Quote from: Barra13 on August 14, 2015, 10:10:04 AM
What has happened to Hartlett this year? Looked like being a gun at times last year.
Was good on the halfback flank. Was a solid inside mid when the main mids were gone. He is our most effective kick (best disposal efficiency), however he just doesn't get enough of the ball to have the impact one would expect (Wingard gets the same amount of disposals as him, and he rarely leaves the forward line). Definitely one of our sides' keepers. But needs to improve next season because in our important games he was quite
Truck back on the park as well and looking flowering solid.
http://afl.to/1TynRFf (http://afl.to/1TynRFf)
Gawn's contract update added.
2019
Jones 27,
2018
Brayshaw 19, Petracca 19, Gawn 23,
2017
Dunn 27, Hogan 20, Viney 20, Lumumba 28, Kennedy-Harris20, Salem 19, Vandenberg 23,
2016
Trengove 22, Dawes 26, Grimes 25 (RFA), Watts 24 (RFA), Vince 29, Tyson* 21, Kent 21, M Jones 27, Spencer 25 (UFA), T McDonald 22, Terlich 25, Jetta 25, Garlett 25, Stretch 18, Frost 21, Newton 22, Neal-Bullen 19, O McDonald 19
2015
Jamar 31 (UFA), Garland 26 (RFA), McKenzie 24, Howe 24, Fitzpatrick 23, Toumpas 21, Pedersen 28, Hunt 19, Cross 32, Bail 26, Riley 23, Michie 23, Harmes ® 19, King ® 19, White ® 18
* = Require confirmation...
Those underlined are player I think are the top 11 paid players; RFA is determined by players being among these 11 (obviously this will be wrong but hopefully indicative).
Apparently Fitzy kicked 4 goals to half time in the VFL yesterday and then didn't play in the second half
Quote from: Big Mac on August 16, 2015, 09:40:00 AM
Apparently Fitzy kicked 4 goals to half time in the VFL yesterday and then didn't play in the second half
At least he seems to be playing desperate footy, i.e. to save his career.
Shows he cares at least... the jury is still out for me about him.
Melbourne isn't an awful team.
They're just a team of awful players.
(I'm saying they're a bunch of individuals)
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 16, 2015, 04:42:57 PM
Melbourne isn't an awful team.
They're just a team of awful players.
(I'm saying they're a bunch of individuals)
you got it the wrong way then
Melbourne isnt a team of awful players. They're just a awful team.
Quote from: Holz on August 16, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 16, 2015, 04:42:57 PM
Melbourne isn't an awful team.
They're just a team of awful players.
(I'm saying they're a bunch of individuals)
you got it the wrong way then
Melbourne isnt a team of awful players. They're just a awful team.
You should listen to Holz, at least when North Melbourne get flogged by 10 or 15+ goals, they do it in the finals
Ah crap, yes you're right.
You can tell I'm a Melbourne supporter... I can't even get my burns right ::)
Quote from: ossie85 on August 16, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 16, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 16, 2015, 04:42:57 PM
Melbourne isn't an awful team.
They're just a team of awful players.
(I'm saying they're a bunch of individuals)
you got it the wrong way then
Melbourne isnt a team of awful players. They're just a awful team.
You should listen to Holz, at least when North Melbourne get flogged by 10 or 15+ goals, they do it in the finals
Don't listen to Ossie, he wouldn't know about Finals at all being a Collingwood supporter.
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 16, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 16, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 16, 2015, 04:42:57 PM
Melbourne isn't an awful team.
They're just a team of awful players.
(I'm saying they're a bunch of individuals)
you got it the wrong way then
Melbourne isnt a team of awful players. They're just a awful team.
You should listen to Holz, at least when North Melbourne get flogged by 10 or 15+ goals, they do it in the finals
Don't listen to Ossie, he wouldn't know about Finals at all being a Collingwood supporter.
Hahaha.
Well. Even though it was a shower performance bar one quarter, I'm actually looking forward to next year. Salem (don't know why he wasn't in) back along with Petracca, Trengove, Pedersen, Kent, vandenBerg, Frost and hopefully a fit Tyson.
Quote from: Barra13 on August 17, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 16, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 16, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 16, 2015, 04:42:57 PM
Melbourne isn't an awful team.
They're just a team of awful players.
(I'm saying they're a bunch of individuals)
you got it the wrong way then
Melbourne isnt a team of awful players. They're just a awful team.
You should listen to Holz, at least when North Melbourne get flogged by 10 or 15+ goals, they do it in the finals
Don't listen to Ossie, he wouldn't know about Finals at all being a Collingwood supporter.
Hahaha.
Well. Even though it was a shower performance bar one quarter, I'm actually looking forward to next year. Salem (don't know why he wasn't in) back along with Petracca, Trengove, Pedersen, Kent, vandenBerg, Frost and hopefully a fit Tyson.
Don't forget Treloar! HAHA, Heheh, ho-ho.... oh......
(http://i.imgur.com/9PTxcow.png)
Fitz kicked 4 goals and was off at half time because his sugar levels went through the roof. Toumpas was concussed also.
I also heard that apparently Mitch White was yet again our best player from a few people. This guy intrigues me.
Good to see Stretch back up there. I also think Newton still has a place in our 22, reckon he was harshly done by this year. He always seemed to kick a goal for us.
Has Hunt earned another contract? I reckon/hope he has, he has shown something we can work with IMO
Quote from: Barra13 on August 17, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 16, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 16, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 16, 2015, 04:42:57 PM
Melbourne isn't an awful team.
They're just a team of awful players.
(I'm saying they're a bunch of individuals)
you got it the wrong way then
Melbourne isnt a team of awful players. They're just a awful team.
You should listen to Holz, at least when North Melbourne get flogged by 10 or 15+ goals, they do it in the finals
Don't listen to Ossie, he wouldn't know about Finals at all being a Collingwood supporter.
Hahaha.
Well. Even though it was a shower performance bar one quarter, I'm actually looking forward to next year. Salem (don't know why he wasn't in) back along with Petracca, Trengove, Pedersen, Kent, vandenBerg, Frost and hopefully a fit Tyson.
Probably the key in all of this :P
Not sure if your are taking the piss or not being a North supporter?
Oh no! White is my loophole defender in SC :p DONT GET A CALL up MATE!
Quote from: Barra13 on August 19, 2015, 10:49:47 AM
Not sure if your are taking the piss or not being a North supporter?
RB has been a big Pedersen fan from day one, I'd be surprised if he highlighted anyone else :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 19, 2015, 03:52:14 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 19, 2015, 10:49:47 AM
Not sure if your are taking the piss or not being a North supporter?
RB has been a big Pedersen fan from day one, I'd be surprised if he highlighted anyone else :P
any north reject is probably good enough to make the dees.
Quote from: Holz on August 19, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 19, 2015, 03:52:14 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 19, 2015, 10:49:47 AM
Not sure if your are taking the piss or not being a North supporter?
RB has been a big Pedersen fan from day one, I'd be surprised if he highlighted anyone else :P
any north reject is probably good enough to make the dees.
:'(
Quote from: Barra13 on August 19, 2015, 04:49:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 19, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 19, 2015, 03:52:14 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 19, 2015, 10:49:47 AM
Not sure if your are taking the piss or not being a North supporter?
RB has been a big Pedersen fan from day one, I'd be surprised if he highlighted anyone else :P
any north reject is probably good enough to make the dees.
:'(
Don't be sad Barra :P We got a serviceable kpf, and they took Gysberts from us! Almost like a double win!
Quote from: Big Mac on August 19, 2015, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 19, 2015, 04:49:21 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 19, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 19, 2015, 03:52:14 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 19, 2015, 10:49:47 AM
Not sure if your are taking the piss or not being a North supporter?
RB has been a big Pedersen fan from day one, I'd be surprised if he highlighted anyone else :P
any north reject is probably good enough to make the dees.
:'(
Don't be sad Barra :P We got a serviceable kpf, and they took Gysberts from us! Almost like a double win!
Melbourne injury list: round 21
Jack Fitzpatrick (concussion) â€" test
Neville Jetta (neck) â€" test
Dean Kent (hamstring) â€" available
Max King (hamstring) â€" 1 week
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) â€" season
Christian Petracca (knee) â€" season
Christian Salem (illness) â€" available
Jimmy Toumpas (concussion) â€" 1 week
Jack Trengove (foot) â€" season
Dom Tyson (hamstring) â€" test
Aaron vandenBerg (ankle) â€" season
Tyson and Salem back this week would be nice
Hopefully Kent can get some game time in
Purps has hit the nail on the head, I'm a massive Pedersen fan! Great set of hands and I love to see him doing what Chris Dawes can't do for the Dees. Not to be harsh, but it gives me a reason to watch Melbourne games
Was a favourite at North but I understood letting him go, unlike Greenwood though I have always wanted to see Pedo do well
B: Grimes O McDonald Pattinson
HB: Munro Hutchins Terlich
C: Newton Riley Brayshaw
HF: Kennedy-Harris Smith Bail
F: Page Rennie Papley*
FOLL: Jamar M Jones Neal-Bullen
I/C (from): Anderson Byrnes Corrigan Gent Kent Kielty McKenzie Morris Muir Spencer Walmsley White K Wilson
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@RobWaters10 saying Tom Lynch is considering a 4 year offer from the Demons #AFLCrowsLions
2:53 AM - 22 Aug 2015
Quote from: Big Mac on August 23, 2015, 10:14:48 AM
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@RobWaters10 saying Tom Lynch is considering a 4 year offer from the Demons #AFLCrowsLions
2:53 AM - 22 Aug 2015
Eh. I doubt it.
As long as we don't give up that much, sure? Why not.
I assume that's the Crows Lynch?
He would be a decent pick up! Is one of the better players for scores and score involvements at the Crows, worth a punt if the price isn't too high
Quote from: Toga on August 23, 2015, 10:48:23 AM
He would be a decent pick up! Is one of the better players for scores and score involvements at the Crows, worth a punt if the price isn't too high
I kinda think getting another midfielder with say, the second rounder he might cost, would be a more appropriate move for us is all. We have the big fellas, but we need more skill in the midfield.
But, he's a good player, and we definitely need those. So I won't say no to him.
A PLACE IN THE SPRINGTIME SUN by KC from Casey
A dominant second half by the Casey Scorpions against a desperate Coburg at Pirhana Park has secured them a place in the Peter Jackson VFL finals series. The victory came after the team had a bright opening but squandered a four goal first quarter lead to trail by 20 points at the main break.
The game demanded a backs to the wall performance and the team produced just that in the final two quarters. Four weeks ago Casey was sitting pretty with prospects of finishing in the top four but injuries and reversals of form had left them in a precarious position.
Skipper Evan Panozza and beanpole Jack Fitzpatrick had been the glue that kept the team's defence together for most of the year but were now missing as were leading goal kickers Max King and Jayden Hunt who had been instrumental in the mid season surge. The team was down to just ten Demon listed players including Dean Kent who was lacking match fitness after he badly injured his hamstring in the Anzac Eve game v Richmond and playing ½ a game in the development league four weeks earlier. He was used sparingly in the hope that he can add to the team's playing stocks in the finals.
As it happened, the Scorps were able to make do with using twin tower ruckmen in Jake Spencer and Mark Jamar to kick goals while resting up forward. They were simply too tall and too strong for the Coburg defence and between them, they booted seven goals. Key forward Tim Smith made a timely return after missing most of the last half of the season. He had a purple patch in the first quarter booting three goals and then bobbed up with another in the third when the comeback was on.
It was still a very inexperienced team with three players Jackson Anderson, Sean Corrigan and Matthew Rennie coming in for the first time this year. Between them they have played a handful of senior games.
Perhaps it was the youth and inexperience or perhaps it was the flatness of the Demon-listed players after a tough campaign but the team simply stopped running in the second quarter and all the momentum went the way of the enthusiastic Lions who knew they had to win this and next week's final round game to displace the visitors from the finals but it was all one way traffic as they piled on six goals six behinds to two points to push the Scorpions to the brink of the abyss.
However, it must have been something Justin Plapp said because a different breed of Scorpion came out of the sheds at half time. It was Spencer's quarter with the opening goal and another vital one in a six goal to two spree that had them in from with a goal to Rennie on the siren. The experience of veteran midfielders in McKenzie and Jones and the steadiness of Dean Terlich were invaluable in turning the tide in Casey's favour.
Then it was the turn of another youngster in the form of the team's lucky charm 23rd player, Tom Papley, who was handy in a couple of wins early last month in the middle of the team's mid season winning streak that put it in finals contention in the first place. His goal to open the final stanza was critical and was followed by two each to the big blokes and it was all over - mission accomplished and the Scorpions were headed towards the finals and a place in the springtime sun.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 23, 2015, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: Toga on August 23, 2015, 10:48:23 AM
He would be a decent pick up! Is one of the better players for scores and score involvements at the Crows, worth a punt if the price isn't too high
I kinda think getting another midfielder with say, the second rounder he might cost, would be a more appropriate move for us is all. We have the big fellas, but we need more skill in the midfield.
But, he's a good player, and we definitely need those. So I won't say no to him.
They can have Toumpas back for him.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 23, 2015, 10:14:48 AM
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@RobWaters10 saying Tom Lynch is considering a 4 year offer from the Demons #AFLCrowsLions
2:53 AM - 22 Aug 2015
Have actually been watching him pretty close all year since I had him from the start in my DT. He is actually a decent player. Gets all over the ground, kicks goals, drifts across to take marks in the back line and can pinch hit in the ruck. Would be a handy addition.
Quote from: Barra13 on August 24, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 23, 2015, 10:14:48 AM
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@RobWaters10 saying Tom Lynch is considering a 4 year offer from the Demons #AFLCrowsLions
2:53 AM - 22 Aug 2015
Have actually been watching him pretty close all year since I had him from the start in my DT. He is actually a decent player. Gets all over the ground, kicks goals, drifts across to take marks in the back line and can pinch hit in the ruck. Would be a handy addition.
He's a gun. One of the hardest workers in the AFL.
He wants to stay at the Crows but we are only offering two years which is an absolute joke. We give spuds like Mackay four year extensions and for some reason we're only giving Lynch two at the moment. He wants the security which is why he is thinking about the Melbourne offer. If we don't up our offer and keep him, I will lose faith in this club and whatever idiot(s) won't give him 3-4 years.
edit: He is also #1 in the AFL for Goal Assists.
Yeah I read it was the years that was the issue. From what I understand, Melbourne offered 3 years earlier, but have since upped it to 4 years. He must be really thinking about it.
Quote from: TomK on August 24, 2015, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on August 24, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 23, 2015, 10:14:48 AM
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@RobWaters10 saying Tom Lynch is considering a 4 year offer from the Demons #AFLCrowsLions
2:53 AM - 22 Aug 2015
Have actually been watching him pretty close all year since I had him from the start in my DT. He is actually a decent player. Gets all over the ground, kicks goals, drifts across to take marks in the back line and can pinch hit in the ruck. Would be a handy addition.
He's a gun. One of the hardest workers in the AFL.
He wants to stay at the Crows but we are only offering two years which is an absolute joke. We give spuds like Mackay four year extensions and for some reason we're only giving Lynch two at the moment. He wants the security which is why he is thinking about the Melbourne offer. If we don't up our offer and keep him, I will lose faith in this club and whatever idiot(s) won't give him 3-4 years.
edit: He is also #1 in the AFL for Goal Assists.
Yeah I've always liked him. Shame we got rid of him for peanuts. Stupid you won't give him a 4 year deal...
Why wouldn't you give him a four year deal? I said earlier I'd give the lad 4 to come West. I think he's brutally underrated and would be a tasty addition to the Dees if the Crows cant hold him!
I'd give it to him in a heartbeat. No idea why the club won't.
Seems like a strange decision for the Crows to only give him two... He's the perfect third tall forward and it's not as if he's old or anything...
Think I detached myself from that embarrassment pretty well, but saw this post in DL and it's something I've said at least once each and every year:
QuoteI no longer want to have this negative emotional force as part of my life, FFS there is enough carp to put up with in life
But I absolutely love footy
The idea of changing clubs makes me sick to my stomach, I couldn't do it
I actually wish we would fold, that way we all have no choice but to move on, and forget the red and blue
Block it out like a repressed emeory and pretend it never happened
Will never be the same though, supporting someone else.. it's not linked to my family and my childhood
How friggin depressing
... Demonland is hurting, actually. There is more hurt than than abuse. The number of posts and activity is going down too.
I guess I'm not going through that "flower the world" phase at the moment, because I semi-expected and braced for that result. I guess I'm getting a little numb with the club.
Honestly, I don't get that sad when losses come. But I am super happy when the wins do come.
I'm looking forward to the off season. The last couple of years the recruiting has been pretty good and I am keen to see what the club can do this time around and get rid of some of the dead wood like Terlich, Mckenzie, Jamar etc etc.
Side note: Nate Jones 200th this weekend.
Honestly don't think you guys have done too badly this season.
Yes, there have been some shocking efforts but you've always had some really good performances as well.
If you can keep making changes to the list and manage to get somebody like a Tom T Lynch in, you'll definitely be even more competitive next season, given the younger guys like Hogan, Brayshaw will have another preseason under their belts.
Quote from: Nige on August 25, 2015, 12:23:18 PM
Honestly don't think you guys have done too badly this season.
Yes, there have been some shocking efforts but you've always had some really good performances as well.
If you can keep making changes to the list and manage to get somebody like a Tom T Lynch in, you'll definitely be even more competitive next season, given the younger guys like Hogan, Brayshaw will have another preseason under their belts.
Not to mention a certain Christian Petracca coming into the side!
It would be handy having some of the players back that are missing that are arguable best 22. Pedersen, Trengove, Kent, vandenBerg, Frost and even Petracca as you said. They might sound like nobodies to some, but they change the whole dynamic of the team. Happy that Salem is back, everytime it was in his hands he did something decent with it. Delivered it lace out a couple of times in the F50.
Unfortunately the performances against the lower teams have been terrible. But, there have been some decent wins along the way. From what I know Goodwin will be in the coaches box next year and Roos will take a bit of a back seat role.
Tommy Lynch for Jimmy Toumpas, anyone else thinking this one?
I like Tommy but we have Lowden, McGovern and Harry Dear kicking goals in the SANFL. Plus the Pod with 9 last week but he'll retire, wont he? ???
I think I just threw up.
Sounds like a good deal. I accept your offer. 8)
Shall I let Roosy know we have come to an agreement? ;D
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 25, 2015, 05:11:46 PM
Tommy Lynch for Jimmy Toumpas, anyone else thinking this one?
I like Tommy but we have Lowden, McGovern and Harry Dear kicking goals in the SANFL. Plus the Pod with 9 last week but he'll retire, wont he? ???
OH PLEASE TAKE TOUMPAS!
That deal will make me cry for joy.
Quote from: Barra13 on August 25, 2015, 04:16:37 PM
It would be handy having some of the players back that are missing that are arguable best 22. Pedersen, Trengove, Kent, vandenBerg, Frost and even Petracca as you said. They might sound like nobodies to some, but they change the whole dynamic of the team.
Absolutely they do. It's not the top players that are going to change this stark contrast between best and worst, it's the bottom six that need to find consistency.
I think your fan base just needs to chill out. You guys are effectively in year 2 of a rebuild under Roos. Teams in this stage of a rebuild generally don't seem to win games they are favourite to win.
We basically went through the same thing at Carlton (and about to go through it again), even post Kreuzer cup when Juddy came over were still losing games we were favorites in. We lost to Richmond to open the 08 season and the Bombers a couple of times (who finished beneath us).
You guys have beat Richmond, Collingwood, Bulldogs and Geelong in Geelong yet you are still so disillusioned? It's a young group, they aren't going to be up every week, it's impossible and to think otherwise is unrealistic. Even the invincible Hawks have lost games they would have gone in favorites to win this year against the Dons, Giants and Port x2. Roos wants to instill defensive structures into this team much like the Hawks did under Clarko early on or Ross did with the Saints. McCartney spent his time at the Dogs doing the same thing and Luke Beveridge has come in, tweaked it a bit and added the offensive side this season, Simmo has built the system at the Eagles last season and added the offensive side this year. With a younger group it takes more time, Goodwin will start to add some offensive flair to the game style next season and you will continue to see improvement.
Barra has the right approach, take the wins as they come and enjoy the improvement of the group. Guys like Hogan, Brayshaw, McDonald, Salem, Viney and so on keep growing and improving. Look at Bernie's season? You guys haven't even had Petracca play yet. Seeing how angry your supporters were before the game even started and then during the game, you guys need to realise where you're at. You have basically had to go and gut the list again after Neeld and the turnover is in process. They are on the right track, just take a deep breath and enjoy the process. Yes I know you guys have probably had enough considering it has been a long time since you have had sustained success, but you can't cut corners or you end up like Carlton (thanks Mick). It could always be worse, you could be Essendon.
The Demonland forum is hilarious; rationality doesn't exist there, and the regulars are bitter and jaded. Understandable, but hilarious viewing.
Melbourne injury list: round 22
Jack Fitzpatrick (concussion) â€" test
Neville Jetta (neck) â€" test
Max King (hamstring) â€" test
Heritier Lumumba (ankle) â€" test
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) â€" season
Christian Petracca (knee) â€" season
Jimmy Toumpas (concussion) â€" available
Jack Trengove (foot) â€" season
Dom Tyson (hamstring) â€" test
Aaron vandenBerg (hamstring) â€" season
Apparently we are to blame according to PJ for this negative environment ::)
The nerve at blaming the supporters... I know I'm exaggerating it, but you can't help but feel accused when you read what PJ had to say.
It may also be true... but there's simple way to fix it. Actually become a good team.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 26, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
Actually become a good team.
This is what was being talked about. :P
https://audioboom.com/boos/3505162-wednesday-whack-roos-and-jackson
It's been 3 days and honestly, I still don't really know how to react to the loss
Would kinda like to hear a response or a second attempt to explain from Paul Roos at these allegations...
I feel like it's being blown out of proportion. But the momentum built is now painting an ugly picture for you Paul.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 26, 2015, 07:49:58 PM
Would kinda like to hear a response or a second attempt to explain from Paul Roos at these allegations...
I feel like it's being blown out of proportion. But the momentum built is now painting an ugly picture for you Paul.
The media have definitely blown it up, but blaming the supporters is never the right option
CASEY coach Justin Plapp reviews the Melbourne-listed players who played in the VFL
VFL
Sunday, August 22, Piranha Park, 2pm
Casey Scorpions 17.9 (111) d Coburg 14.10 (94)
“IT WAS a really important game and Coburg was pushing to play finals. Their opportunity to play finals was whether they beat us. We knew there was a fair bit on the line for both teams. If we won, it would consolidate our finals, but if Coburg won it gave them an opportunity. There was a fair bit riding on the game and we had nine Melbourne players available, which was the lowest we’ve had all year because of injuries so we felt little under the pump in terms of personnel. We started really well but our second quarter was disappointing and lacked discipline. After half time we played the brand of football that we know we can play and to the players’ credit, they fought back really well to win the game. Now that we have secured a finals berth, this week becomes really important in terms of keeping our players focused and competitive. The weekend was pleasing and we played three really good quarters of football.†â€" Justin Plapp
Mark Jamar: Russian had 13 possessions, 34 hit outs and kicked 3.1. He dominated the ruck once again and he responded really after last week when he dropped his standards a little bit. Coming into the game, he gave us first use of the ball and kicked two or three really important goals in the second half. He took some really strong contested marks so the balance of him playing ruck and then going forward and giving us a tall marking option was as well as I have seen him do at VFL level. His leadership was really strong and he led as we would expect him to do. Based on the back of that, I expect that it would put him into contention for senior selection for next week.
Matt Jones: Matt had 30 possessions and only one effective tackle. He started slow but he kicked a really classy goal where he broke through from stoppage to kick the ball from 60 to 70 metres out. There were a couple of undisciplined things in the first half that we needed to tick off but after half time, he had a massive influence on the game in regards to his running ability and his ability to give us some real decent outside run. Matt was one of our better players on the weekend and certainly played one of the better VFL games that I’ve seen him play this year.
Jay Kennedy-Harris: Jay had nine possessions and seven tackles. Even though from Jay’s point of view, it wasn’t a high possession game for him, with his defensive pressure and his tackle pressure around the ball, he was very good on the weekend. We’re working with Jay to try and round his game off and get a balance of both but he’s working really hard at the moment. He’s not getting much reward for effort but he is certainly following instruction and trying to work on the things that we are encouraging him to do. At some stage, he’s going to have to try and get the balance of both but it’s certainly not through lack of effort. We’ve played him a little bit on ball over the past few weeks and he’s given us some real intensity around the ball. He’s a work in progress but he’s certainly heading in the right direction.
Dean Kent: Dean played his first game after another four week layoff. He had ten weeks off, played a game and then another four weeks off. He had 11 possessions and he had 6 effective tackles. He played that high half forward role and he went inside 50 four times. He was certainly a bit rusty as was expected but as the game went on he showed his assets to his game, which is his speed and power and lot of intensity and hardness around the footy. Dean is going to be building over the next couple of weeks and our expectations were to get him through the game so next week we will probably increase his game time. We’ll be looking for a lot more output as we go but we were pleased with his first game back.
Oscar McDonald: Oscar had 11 possessions and three effective tackles. He played on the key forward and defensively he was really strong. Offensively, he got on the end of our some of offensive chains, which is one of his strengths. His ball use was a lot better than it has been in previous weeks so for Oscar it was a really well rounded game both offensively and defensively.
Jordie McKenzie: Jordie ended up having 12 possessions and four effective tackles. He played a run-with role on one of Coburg’s key midfielders and kept him to a really moderate output in the game. Jordie received a bit of an injury during the game, which meant that he had to come off the ground, which freed up Uysal so he certainly played a really valuable role for the team while he was on the ground. He also kicked a goal so we’re happy with the role that he played. Jordie is very coachable and plays for the team.
Aidan Riley: Aidan had 24 possessions, 13 clearances and led our tackles with 8 effective tackles. His ability at VFL level to win the contested ball and compete and win critical contest is outstanding so to have him back in the team to give us first use and that balling ability around the footy was fantastic. To his own disappointment, he was a bit undisciplined throughout the game, which he rectified. From a Melbourne point of view, he was challenged strongly at half time and he responded in a really positive manner. Overall, we’re really happy with Aidan’s performance.
Jake Spencer: Jake had 19 possessions, took 12 marks and had 30 hit outs so he was probably our best player on the day. I was really happy for Jake because over his last four or five weeks he’s just been there about but certainly hasn’t impacted the game like he did this week. His ability to be able to play a role in the ruck and have some real dominance there and then go forward and kick four goals as well was really pleasing. He played his best game of VFL football in a long time so I couldn’t have been happier for him. The challenge for him now is to try and back that up.
Dean Terlich: Dean had 31 possessions, no tackles and took 10 marks. He certainly has a lot of offensive strengths in his game and kicks the ball really well. Defensively, we’re still working really hard with Dean to get that balance in his game but he was one of our better players. He had a super second half where he really impacted the game and took the game on. Dean was probably a part of the reason why we got back into the game and played the footy that we did.
Mitch White: Mitch had15 possessions and one effective tackle.Once again he was probably one of our better defenders on the day. Offensively, he turned the ball over a few times at critical stages in the game. Moving forward, he needs to get a better balance there and be more effective in choosing the right option at the right time. However in terms of what he is in the team for, he certainly played his role and ticked those boxes. Mitch is another first year player who continues to improve. He is learning really quickly and he is a good listener.
Frost named in the dev. League!!!
Omac gets a gig
lets hope he is even better then his brother.
Apparently Toumpas is set to sigh a 2 year deal with us this week...
(http://img.pandawhale.com/100953-Michael-Scott-NO-gif-Imgur-C7Xd.gif)
I was convinced he would be off the list :(
I know you disagree with me BM, but IMO we are just investing in another waste of time
2 years is too long
The Toump must have something to offer us, and if anyone's going to figure it out what that is, it's going to be McCartney
It's not going to take him two years though.
Apparently Frost didn't end up playing VFL :(
I tell you what Paul Roos is full of excuses...
That press conference had heaps of the buggers, it's really quite irritating.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 10:19:55 PM
I tell you what Paul Roos is full of excuses...
That press conference had heaps of the buggers, it's really quite irritating.
I stopped watching the pressers midway through the season, they got too repetitive
Please don't tell me he used the one about the player's not being fit enough again
From what I believe in the Toumpas deal is that Goodwin had a hand in that. He obviously sees something. Hopefully between him and McCartney, they might be able to do something with him.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 30, 2015, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 30, 2015, 10:19:55 PM
I tell you what Paul Roos is full of excuses...
That press conference had heaps of the buggers, it's really quite irritating.
I stopped watching the pressers midway through the season, they got too repetitive
Please don't tell me he used the one about the player's not being fit enough again
He said:
"we have a lot of injuries"
then again
"we have about 7 out of our best 22"
but it was this that I was furious about
"we were really competitive after 10-zip"
Now I dunno how that was said, but ARE YOU REALLY ACCEPTING THAT?! I mean, COME ON!
Tom Lynch signed on with Adelaide for 3 years. Shame on that one.
Quote from: Barra13 on September 01, 2015, 05:16:01 PM
Tom Lynch signed on with Adelaide for 3 years. Shame on that one.
I do wonder if our last 3 weeks played a part in that decision...
Just another guy that doesn't want to come to our club I suppose, can't say I blame him :-\
From what I understand he was offered 4 years at 500k a year and was a lot more than what Adelaide were offering at the time. Not sure what was settled on the $ side.
Daniel Cross has announced his retirement
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-09-02/cross-career-comes-to-an-end
Quote from: Ricochet on September 02, 2015, 12:28:52 PM
Daniel Cross has announced his retirement
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-09-02/cross-career-comes-to-an-end
Ah... crap.
Good to see! Been intrigued by this guy
White to Debut! (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-09-03/white-to-debut)
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 03, 2015, 04:53:16 PM
Good to see! Been intrigued by this guy
White to Debut! (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-09-03/white-to-debut)
Interesting. Don't really hear much about him apart from the fact that he has a massive left boot and can defend fairly well
Hasn't been dominating though so must just be getting a taste for AFL, hopefully he can unleash a 60m drop punt or something this week :P
Quote from: Big Mac on September 03, 2015, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 03, 2015, 04:53:16 PM
Good to see! Been intrigued by this guy
White to Debut! (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-09-03/white-to-debut)
Interesting. Don't really hear much about him apart from the fact that he has a massive left boot and can defend fairly well
Hasn't been dominating though so must just be getting a taste for AFL, hopefully he can unleash a 60m drop punt or something this week :P
That's the weird thing. He hasn't been dominating according to the stats, but I often see him in Casey's best or the comment "Mitch was up there with the best on ground"
Other than that, I just hear he has a left boot.
No word on Jamar from the club, and he wasn't named this week
What do we think he will do?
Quote from: Big Mac on September 03, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
No word on Jamar from the club, and he wasn't named this week
What do we think he will do?
Did I hear a while ago that Roos said he was still a required player?
Maybe we will keep him for another year?
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 04, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on September 03, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
No word on Jamar from the club, and he wasn't named this week
What do we think he will do?
Did I hear a while ago that Roos said he was still a required player?
Maybe we will keep him for another year?
Gawn and Spencer both seem to be ahead of him, so I figured the best option would be to let him retire and then pick up a ruck with a late pick/rookie draft pick
I get the impression that Jamar doesn't want to retire though
Quote from: Big Mac on September 04, 2015, 06:59:17 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 04, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on September 03, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
No word on Jamar from the club, and he wasn't named this week
What do we think he will do?
Did I hear a while ago that Roos said he was still a required player?
Maybe we will keep him for another year?
Gawn and Spencer both seem to be ahead of him, so I figured the best option would be to let him retire and then pick up a ruck with a late pick/rookie draft pick
I get the impression that Jamar doesn't want to retire though
I'm fairly confident he won't be a demon next year.
I give him a chance to get picked up by another club though.
Not sure if you guys are watching the VFL, but Maxy King has been very good today
Don't think he has a goal yet, but has been playing high up the ground and doing it very well
Great way to finish off the year
So many positives to take out of today
Quote from: Big Mac on September 06, 2015, 07:18:21 PM
Great way to finish off the year
So many positives to take out of today
SCORPS BOMB OUT by KC from Casey
The Casey Scorpions' 2015 season came to an abrupt end today with a 21 point first elimination final loss against Essendon VFL at North Port Oval after a poor start kicking against the wind in the first term.
The first five minutes of the game produced some scrambly football that resulted in a single point for each team. Casey had its opportunities early but gave away the ascendency with two goals that were directly as a result of turnovers which lifted the confidence of their opponents and quickly allowed four more to give them a 37 point break before a fantastic kick for goal from James Munro, his first for the season, gave the Scorpions some hope.
When Casey's turn came with the wind, their fortunes turned quickly with Jayden Hunt playing on after a mark and when Jack Fitzpatrick, who was moved from defence, gathered and kicked Casey's third in a row, they were back in the game. The Scorps were applying great pressure and winning at the stoppages thanks to Mark Jamar's strong work in the ruck and big Max King was marking everything but they struggled to take advantage of the quarter's early momentum until they drew to within two goals in the shadows of half time thanks to a bouncing goal from Shannon Byrnes.
The third quarter saw the wind blowing more across the ground in favour of the Bombers but the Scorpions were not to be denied. Unfortunately, they failed to capitalise on some early opportunities missing two early shots. Casey tried hard to gain the initiative as they game opened up and went goal for goal with goals from Essendon answered successively by Fitzpatrick, King and Tim Smith who was at last proving a focal point up forward. However, a late goal gave the Bombers a 15 point lead at the final break.
The swirling wind now made things difficult for scoring at either end and the Bombers closed the game down. Try as they might, the Scorpions simply could not break through for a goal to bring them within distance and late in the term, it was the Bombers who scored the telling goal and the only one for the quarter to run out 21 point winners and advance to the semi finals.
Midfielders Aidan Riley (30 touches) and Rohan Bail (26) were Casey's best but an honourable mention must go to speedster Dean Kent (22 disposals) who has only recently come back from a serious hamstring injury which kept him out for most of the season. Jordie McKenzie was tireless and Dean Terlich was steady and dogged while Jamar won the ruck duels clearly with a mammoth 64 hit outs but in the end it did not help the cause to have only 9 AFL senior listed players available for such a vital game.
Mark Hutchins and Tim Smith were the best of the VFL listed players but again the Scorpions badly missed injured skipper Evan Panozza.
Despite the disappointment of yet another finals exit without victory, Justin Plapp's debut season as coach was a marked improvement on last year and the club unearthed more talent which should hold it in good stead in the future.
2015 Peter Jackson VFL
Casey Scorpions 1.1.7 4.3.27 7.6.48 7.8.50
Essendon VFL 6.2.38 6.4.40 9.9.63 10.11.71
Goals
Casey Scorpions Fitzpatrick 2 Byrnes Hunt King Munro Smith
Essendon VFL Hardingham 3 Thompson Willis 2 Ashby Coghlan Polkinghorne
Best
Casey Scorpions Bail Jamar Hutchins Riley Byrnes Kent
Essendon VFL Coghlan Polkinghorne Tagliabue Hardingham Marigliani Ashby
Statistics
Rohan Bail 26 disposals 10 kicks 16 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 88 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 2 goals 11 disposals 5 kicks 6 handballs 4 marks 4 tackles 4 hit outs 71 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 1 goal 7 disposals 4 kicks 3 handballs 1 mark 3 tackles 40 dream team points
Mark Jamar 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 handballs 3 marks 3 tackles 64 hit outs 105 dream team points
Matt Jones 27 disposals 10 kicks 17 handballs 5 tackles 78 dream team points
Dean Kent 1 behind 22 disposals 15 kicks 7 handballs 3 marks 7 tackles 99 dream team points
Max King 1 goal 15 disposals 7 kicks 8 handballs 9 marks 2 tackles 7 hit outs 85 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 32 disposals 9 kicks 23 handballs 2 marks 5 tackles 90 dream team points
Aidan Riley 2 behinds 30 disposals 11 kicks 19 handballs 1 mark 12 tackles 1 hit out 121 dream team points
Dean Terlich 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 2 marks 4 tackles 1 hit out 73 dream team points
The Development League team struggled throughout the year when it met Coburg Lions and today was no different with the team going down by 43 points in their elimination final.
2015 AFL Development League
Casey Scorpions 3.0.18 4.5.29 8.7.55 10.8.68
Coburg Lions 3.1.19 9.5.59 11.7.73 17.9.111
Goals
Casey Scorpions Fisscher Moncrieff 2 Hannon Lang Rennie Welsh K Wilson Wyatt
Coburg Lions Cooper 4 Hemala Miles 2 Clarke Hunt Johns Kalanj Posar Robinson Sturgess Symes Totino
Best
Casey Scorpions Johnson Waters Keilty Godfrey Rosier Lang
Coburg Lions Robinson Johns Symes Cooper Posar Sturgess
Great to see Kent put in a good game
Bye bye Bail, Terlich & Riley! *fingers crossed*
Successful season from the Dees. Roos has set all the foundations and Goodwin can now build upon them. If Roos had never agreed to this rescue mission, thinking about where the Demons would be at now would scare me.
As I read on AFL.com, the Saints have been hyped up for much of this season, nothing against the Saints (they are a respectable team) but the Dees have finished higher on the ladder after the win against GWS so comparatively, we can see that the Dees have shown strong signs of improvement (as St Kilda will be the barometer of which all rebuilding clubs will be measured against - and this is for full rebuilds, not Nathan Buckley trying to save his coaching career pseudo-rebuilds).
I think this was a successful season. If Roos wanted I think he could have approached it differently, and we would have seen the Dees finish between 8-11th this season. But that would have meant building an unsustainable side. He has built what has the potential to be a strong list in the long-term and when you compare the Demon's midfield from 2013 to 2015, there is significant improvement in list strength and depth (before Roos, the midfield was easily the worst in the competition - now I'm looking forward to see what will happen in the long-term). Furthermore, Roos has attracted the right coaching staff to the club and Hogan is a bona fide key forward (I'm pretty sure no first year player, in the modern game, scored as many goals as he did this season). McDonald emerging down the back is promising as well (key defender, key forward, and a solid midfield group is the bare necessities that Melbourne struggled to land over the last 8 years). Gawn's emergence will only strengthen the midfield group as well.
Well if you turn those close losses this year into wins it definitely looks like a win this year to me. I'm happy with how the club is tracking and to have young guns like Viney, Salem, vandenBerg, Stretch, ANB, Harmes, Petracca and Brayshaw. That is starting to look like a midfield for the future.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 30, 2015, 08:38:05 PM
Apparently Frost didn't end up playing VFL :(
What is happening with Frosty? Staying on the list?
He will stay, just wrapped in cotton wool for the rest of the season is all. Same reason why Kent wasn't brought back and only played VFL. Just get everyone right for the pre season.
CAPTAIN Nathan Jones will undergo surgery on his neck after carrying the injury for most of the 2015 season.
Jones, who remarkably played every match this year, will be sidelined for two to three months, as he recovers from the setback.
Manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said Jones would have surgery on Monday.
“Nathan’s been struggling with a neck injury for the majority of the year. At times during the year, it affected his strength and ability to compete around stoppages,†he told melbournefc.com.au.
“There were a couple of options for us, in terms of improving this, but we’ve decided that the best course of action is for Nathan to have an operation on a disc in his neck and this operation will happen next Monday.
“As you can imagine, an operation involving the neck and disc will require a lot of rehabilitation. Nathan will have a period of rest before gradually building up towards non-contact training pre-Christmas.
“All timelines at this stage suggest that Nathan will not be affected by his ability to play during the NAB Challenge series or the regular season.â€
Incredibly, Jones has missed just five games since he made his AFL debut in round 17, 2006.
He missed four matches from 2007-09 and has been sidelined just once from 2010-15, when he was a late withdrawal against the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba in round 14, 2012, due to a calf injury.
Jones, who has won the past three Melbourne best and fairest awards, is a chance to win his fourth when the club holds its Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy count at Crown Palladium on Friday night.
The much-admired Demon notched up his 200th AFL match in Melbourne’s second last round of the season against Fremantle at Domain Stadium, but didn’t play out the match due to an ankle injury.
Despite being substituted out of the match and flying back home on crutches, Jones managed to finish the year on a high with a win and a season-best 36 disposals against Greater Western Sydney at Etihad Stadium.
It is crazy to think how many players that are 23 or under that are really showing that we have a really good core coming through. Some players play well above their age that we actually forget how old they are.
Angus Brayshaw
Sam Frost
Max Gawn
James Harmes
Jesse Hogan
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Dean Kent
Oscar McDonald
Tom McDonald
Viv Michie
Alex Neal-Bullen
Ben Newton
Christian salem
Billy Stretch
Aaron vandenBerg
Jack Viney
Omg about Jones...
HE IS UNSTOPPABLE!
What a gun!
Quote from: Barra13 on September 11, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
It is crazy to think how many players that are 23 or under that are really showing that we have a really good core coming through. Some players play well above their age that we actually forget how old they are.
Angus Brayshaw
Sam Frost
Max Gawn
James Harmes
Jesse Hogan
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Dean Kent
Oscar McDonald
Tom McDonald
Viv Michie
Alex Neal-Bullen
Ben Newton
Christian salem
Billy Stretch
Aaron vandenBerg
Jack Viney
Don't forget Tyson, still only 22!
I forgot that Gawn was that young, feels like he's been around for ages.
Quote from: Barra13 on September 11, 2015, 01:16:51 PM
Jones, who has won the past three Melbourne best and fairest awards, is a chance to win his fourth when the club holds its Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy count at Crown Palladium on Friday night.
Would've thought Bernie Vince is a bit of a lock?
Quote from: My Chumps on September 11, 2015, 02:44:32 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on September 11, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
It is crazy to think how many players that are 23 or under that are really showing that we have a really good core coming through. Some players play well above their age that we actually forget how old they are.
Angus Brayshaw
Sam Frost
Max Gawn
James Harmes
Jesse Hogan
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Dean Kent
Oscar McDonald
Tom McDonald
Viv Michie
Alex Neal-Bullen
Ben Newton
Christian salem
Billy Stretch
Aaron vandenBerg
Jack Viney
Don't forget Tyson, still only 22!
I forgot that Gawn was that young, feels like he's been around for ages.
Quote from: Barra13 on September 11, 2015, 01:16:51 PM
Jones, who has won the past three Melbourne best and fairest awards, is a chance to win his fourth when the club holds its Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy count at Crown Palladium on Friday night.
Would've thought Bernie Vince is a bit of a lock?
He'd be the favourite. But his last 5 weeks weren't great.
I actually kinda think Hulk might win it :-X
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 11, 2015, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 11, 2015, 02:44:32 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on September 11, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
It is crazy to think how many players that are 23 or under that are really showing that we have a really good core coming through. Some players play well above their age that we actually forget how old they are.
Angus Brayshaw
Sam Frost
Max Gawn
James Harmes
Jesse Hogan
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Dean Kent
Oscar McDonald
Tom McDonald
Viv Michie
Alex Neal-Bullen
Ben Newton
Christian salem
Billy Stretch
Aaron vandenBerg
Jack Viney
Don't forget Tyson, still only 22!
I forgot that Gawn was that young, feels like he's been around for ages.
Quote from: Barra13 on September 11, 2015, 01:16:51 PM
Jones, who has won the past three Melbourne best and fairest awards, is a chance to win his fourth when the club holds its Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy count at Crown Palladium on Friday night.
Would've thought Bernie Vince is a bit of a lock?
He'd be the favourite. But his last 5 weeks weren't great.
I actually kinda think Hulk might win it :-X
Not sure he's been good enough
Definitely played some ripper games but had a fair few quiet ones too
I'd have the top 5 as:
Vince
Jones
Viney
Tmac
Cross
Final Bluey placings:
Vince
Viney
TMac
Hogan
Jones
Absolutely mammoth effort from Viney considering he missed 6 games! Vince beat him by a single vote!
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Roos: We want to come back next year as a finals team... we're very driven for success.
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Jones: We're driven to not only achieve the pinnacle but achieve sustained success and be successful for a long time.
Melbourne FC â€@melbournefc 11h11 hours ago
Hogan: If we've got that confidence and belief then the sky's the limit as to what we can achieve.
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McDonald: One of the proudest days of my life was when I got to run out with my little brother for the first time.
Yeah Viney did have an awesome year. He is going to be an absolute gun.
What's the dealio with Jayden Hunt fellas? From what I heard, had some good games in the VFL, but then also some not-so-good games :P
Any chance of getting any games in 2016 or nah?
Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
What's the dealio with Jayden Hunt fellas? From what I heard, had some good games in the VFL, but then also some not-so-good games :P
Any chance of getting any games in 2016 or nah?
Jayden Hunt! What a gun!
Don't think he ever got more than 10 disposals in a game, but he got 10 goals in 3 games ! :o
First of all, I think he will just earn another contract.
Second of all, he MIGHT get a few games as a forward, but he will never be a good fantasy scorer.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2015, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: GoLions on September 15, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
What's the dealio with Jayden Hunt fellas? From what I heard, had some good games in the VFL, but then also some not-so-good games :P
Any chance of getting any games in 2016 or nah?
Jayden Hunt! What a gun!
Don't think he ever got more than 10 disposals in a game, but he got 10 goals in 3 games ! :o
First of all, I think he will just earn another contract.
Second of all, he MIGHT get a few games as a forward, but he will never be a good fantasy scorer.
Ah ok, cheers Purps!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/exdogs-coach-mccartney-in-mix-for-bombers (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/exdogs-coach-mccartney-in-mix-for-bombers)
Quote from: Barra13 on September 18, 2015, 11:08:44 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/exdogs-coach-mccartney-in-mix-for-bombers (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/exdogs-coach-mccartney-in-mix-for-bombers)
Please stay McCartney :-X
god i hope we dont get him i want a coach who has had success
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 18, 2015, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on September 18, 2015, 11:08:44 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/exdogs-coach-mccartney-in-mix-for-bombers (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/exdogs-coach-mccartney-in-mix-for-bombers)
Please stay McCartney :-X
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2015, 12:11:22 PM
god i hope we dont get him i want a coach who has had success
Yeh McCartney is terrible you don't want him
Quote from: Big Mac on September 18, 2015, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2015, 12:11:22 PM
god i hope we dont get him i want a coach who has had success
Yeh McCartney is terrible you don't want him
If he's terrible he'd be a great fit at the Bombers
HERITIER Lumumba says his first season at Melbourne was an “action packed†journey, but a challenging one and he is certain he will have a greater impact at the club in 2016.
Speaking to Dee TV, Lumumba said starting life at a new club, after 10 seasons at Collingwood, couldn’t be underestimated.
Lumumba played 19 matches in his first season at Melbourne â€" including his 200th AFL match in the club’s opening round win over the Gold Coast Suns at the MCG â€" but missed three matches in the second half of the season through injury.
He said with a season under his belt at the Demons, he is adamant his form will be at a higher level next year.
“Going into a whole new environment forces you out of your comfort zone. Every day was a new challenge,†he said.
“There were new philosophies to learn and new personalities to work with. That can be unsettling and I found that to be a challenge, but one that I knew I had to take on and really be mindful of every step on the way.
“The teammates that I have â€" you wouldn’t find a nicer bunch of guys and a closer bunch of guys who genuinely care for one another. I hadn’t experienced that to this level â€" the amount of unity that this playing group has with one another and the care.â€
Despite having played 199 matches with Collingwood, including the 2010 premiership, Lumumba said in many ways it was like being a new draftee again.
“It is very similar to the draft process where you’re inducted into a new club. The advantages are having the experience of playing the game and knowing how to prepare, what standards get certain results. In that regard, that’s a huge advantage coming across [to a new club] with the experience,†he said.
“I was petrified walking in here for the first time. If I didn’t have Chris Dawes here â€" I may as well have just held his hand for the first two weeks â€" [I don’t know what I would’ve done] because I was petrified coming across to a brand new club.
“From having public turmoil and not knowing how it would be received, it was scary. I had a great mate of mine, who could help me through it, but I soon found out I was embraced immediately by coaches, support staff and players, so it made it very easy.â€
Lumumba said he was most excited by the club’s younger brigade coming through.
“We have some absolute guns playing in our team. I was actually speaking to [former Collingwood teammate] Nick Maxwell about it [and saying] if you could pick any key forward and any key defender in the AFL, you’d pick Tom McDonald and you’d pick Jesse Hogan for the future,†he said.
“I didn’t know how good our young players would be. Christian Salem makes a huge difference to the team. He reminds me of Alan Didak with the way he is with his foot skills â€" it’s just beautiful to watch.
“Then you have someone like Jack Viney who is just a beast â€" he’s actually scary with how intense he is and how much better he is going to get, simply because he just wills himself to get the most out of himself every moment he is here and away from the football club.â€
“Guys like Angus Brayshaw, Alex Neal-Bullen and Billy Stretch are more conditioned and know what’s required. We have a really good core leadership group, but I do believe the success of our football club will be determined by the development of the younger list.
Lumumba said he was “very confident†about having a greater impact next year and had already set his sights on a big pre-season campaign. He also backed the club to go to the next level in 2016.
“We’re in great hands with the coaching staff. All of the coaches are fantastic, they’re highly professional, they’re passionate and they care for us players as human beings. We have a playing group who are hungry,†he said.
“Having been at Collingwood and winning a premiership with the young list … I’m very confident with this list. I don’t know how much longer I have to play, but I do think that this football club will win a premiership in the future.
“With the talent, development, framework and coaches we have â€" it’s certainly possible.â€
Was actually a good read ^^
Lumumba was doing OK in the first half of the season I felt, but he fell away badly.
Expecting a much bigger on-field impact next year.
JESSE Hogan says he feels chuffed that he’s become such a fan favourite among the Melbourne supporters and that they are desperate for him to remain a Demon for life.
The Western Australian-born Hogan, who is contracted until at least the end of 2017, says he is rapt that the Melbourne faithful have taken to him and want to see him in red and blue colours for the rest of his playing days.
“Well, at least they want me here. You could be on the other end where they don’t want you here,†he told Dee TV.
“That’s always going to be in the back of people’s minds, that I am from Perth and I do enjoy Perth, but I am thoroughly enjoying my footy [at Melbourne].
“I’m signed on for another few years and I’m really enjoying myself and am taking it one week at a time, one month at a time and one year at a time. I try not to think about it too much, but it’s nice that people want me here.â€
Hogan said it couldn’t be underestimated how challenging it was to adjust moving from the other side of the country to play at the highest level.
In his case, he moved from Perth to Melbourne at just 17 years old in 2012, but he has since overcome the initial hurdles.
“It’s pretty hard to be settled as a footballer because every week is so intense but compared to last year, I was really struggling to be honest with my back,†he said.
“I was trying to get away from footy and how do you get away from footy when you’re in the heart of Melbourne and footy is everything?
“This year, I’ve had a really good balance between footy, surfing and going to down to Torquay with Nathan Jones and James Harmes and the boys. I’m finding that balance and am still finding my feet, but this year I did enjoy myself.â€
Looking ahead to 2016, Hogan said he was excited about gaining some teammates back from injury to create a revamped forward line, including Sam Frost and Dean Kent.
“It’s really exciting. Sam Frost, who has also come in [from GWS], is one of our key players internally and he’s super exciting,†he said.
“I don’t think I’ve seen many athletes like him. He’s lightening quick, so we’ll hopefully have him up there next year playing alongside me, which would be handy.
“Kenty as well, is another player inside our four walls who is highly rated and probably does the team roles better than anyone else at the club, so it’s a super exciting prospect.
“Even though we have all of these young players, we also have Jeffy [Garlett] and Dawsey (Chris Dawes), so we’ve got that good mix and balance. We all get along well, so it’s really exciting.â€
Hogan said 2016 shaped as a big season.
“For me personally, my next year is probably even more important than this one. I’ve had a pretty good season. A lot of the time you see those players who’ve had a good first season â€" they don’t get complacent, but they don’t have that drive to prove themselves,†he said.
“This off-season is huge for us as a team and for myself and to see how we can develop as a team. Personally, I can’t wait to get into it.
“I can’t wait to develop myself to another level and not get complacent and just really strive to be part of the collective.â€
It's very satisfying to hear Hulk say next year is more important for him than 2015.
Gah, he's just so awesome :-*
Sam Frost to play forward next year?
As reported by Channel 7, apparently Jimmy Toumpas has requested a trade and Chris Dawes is on the trade table.
Quote from: Barra13 on October 05, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
As reported by Channel 7, apparently Jimmy Toumpas has requested a trade and Chris Dawes is on the trade table.
:D
Melbourne has begun preliminary contract discussions with gun forward Jesse Hogan and is set to chase Sydney ace Luke Parker, says Sam 'Scoop' McClure.
Hogan, winner of this year's rising star award, is contracted until the end of 2017 but would attract a mountain of interest from rival clubs on the open market.
Scoop said Hogan sat down with a group of Melbourne heavy hitters recently - including coach Paul Roos - in which they detailed the club's long-term plan.
"No contract was mentioned, no dollar-figure was mentioned, but it was essentially put to Jesse that if he wants to stay â€" money will not be an issue," Scoop explained on Sports Today.
He said preliminary discussions about extending Hogan's contract had since begun in the wake of that meeting.
Scoop also revealed the Demons had their eye on landing "big fish" during future trade periods to help keep Hogan on board.
"One of those big fish being pursued is Luke Parker of the Sydney Swans," he said.
^^ read that a few days ago.
The excitement in the gut is non-existent though :-\
Reading a bit more into it and SEN reporting an offer has been made of 850k over 5 years to Luke Parker.
Quote from: Barra13 on October 05, 2015, 03:12:56 PM
Reading a bit more into it and SEN reporting an offer has been made of 850k over 5 years to Luke Parker.
I just think it is too much of a long shot :(
Would love to be proved wrong, though.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-06/hogan-in-talks-with-melbourne-on-extending-contract (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-06/hogan-in-talks-with-melbourne-on-extending-contract)
I've linked this before... I have a feeling this will be a common link when I see something amazing from Jesse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY)
DANIEL Cross has confirmed he will remain with the club in an off-field capacity, after accepting a position as development and rehabilitation coach.
Manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said the club was delighted Cross had decided to take up the new role, after playing with Melbourne from 2014-15, following a fine career with the Western Bulldogs.
“Daniel has a sports science degree and was keen to work in this area post playing,†he told melbournefc.com.au.
“He will work across the high performance and development teams during the week and will be our match day runner on game day.
“Daniel has ambitions in this area and we believe it will help him continually develop his skills.â€
Cross said he’d made a lot of great relationships at the club in his two seasons with Melbourne and that made his decision a lot easier.
“I wanted to make the right decision and a real considered call on what was going to be the best opportunity for me to succeed and I really want to help the team get success,†he told melbournefc.com.au.
“It was made clear in the end that I kept coming back to Melbourne as the best opportunity in the short term and long term.
“What clinched it for me was the emotional attachment I have for the playing group. I feel like I’ve been part of the rebuild since Roosy [Paul Roos] came to the club.
“To continue in the fitness group and to help the boys grow and succeed as a team â€" that really excited me. That was what drew me in the end.â€
Cross said he had several opportunities presented to him, but in the end the lure of remaining at Melbourne â€" albeit in a different capacity â€" was too strong.
He added that he was keen to head down the conditioning pathway, but also help mentor players along the way.
Cross said he was unlikely to follow Shannon Byrnes, who retired in 2014 and moved into an off-field role and played with Casey in the VFL this year.
“Not at this stage. It’s going to be super tough for me to walk away from something that you absolutely love and treasure, but I’m sure I’ll be out on the track a bit with the boys,†he said.
“I’m sure the feet will become itchy and I might want to, but I really want to focus on helping the Melbourne playing group achieve what they want to now.
“The greatest thing I can do now is help the players be the best that they can be and that’s teaching, instructing and helping in any way that I can. I want to make Melbourne a better team, so I don’t think I’ll be pulling on a Scorpions jumper next year.â€
MELBOURNE has expressed interest in Greater Western Sydney's Tomas Bugg and Collingwood's Ben Kennedy as it targets "competitive players" in the 21-24 age bracket.
Demons football manager Josh Mahoney confirmed the club was looking to add Bugg, 22, and Kennedy, 21, to its squad in this year's trade period.
The Demons' list-management team has met with Kennedy, who has played 25 games in three seasons on the Magpies' list, about making a move down Swan St to Melbourne headquarters.
"We've sat down and spoken to Ben," Mahoney told NAB AFL Trade Radio on Tuesday.
"He'd be someone who we certainly think could help us as a club."
Bugg has played 65 games in four seasons for the Giants but wants to move home to Victoria.
"Through this trade period we want to add in guys who are in that 21-24-year-olds [age group] who have played a bit of footy," Mahoney said.
"He's another player we've got some interest in and again it depends on his involvement with GWS but he's someone we think can help us."
Bugg's manager, Tom Petroro, of Stride Sports, told SEN that Melbourne was right in the mix to win his client's services.
"I think they're a chance, definitely," Petroro said.
"I would think that Melbourne are right in the frame to try and get Tom and Tom has declared that he wants to come back to Victoria."
Mahoney said the Demons were well advanced in discussions with Essendon's Jake Melksham, who has also requested to move on from the Bombers, and would look to sort a trade out once the official player exchange period begins next Monday.
"We've done a lot of work on Jake and you can't have a better due diligence than having coaches who have worked with him previously in Simon Goodwin and Brendan McCartney (at Essendon)," Mahoney said.
"We want to add a bit of run and carry and a player who can play a half-back type of role.
"Jake has indicated that he wants to join Melbourne and during the trade period and we'll work on what that looks like."
In a wide-ranging interview, Mahoney also said:
Jeremy Howe was a chance to remain at Melbourne, with the club wanting a decision about whether he is staying or going in the coming days.
Unrestricted free agent Colin Garland will stay at the club, with the Demons to announce his re-signing in the next few days.
Jack Watts is unlikely to be traded by the Demons.
Former No.4 draft pick Jimmy Toumpas is looking at other playing opportunities but there is no guarantee he will leave Melbourne.
Speculation that Melbourne had offered free-agent Patrick Dangerfield a six-year, $10 million contract was off the mark, with the Demons not even tabling an offer to the midfield star.
Melbourne is looking to sign NAB Rising Star winner Jesse Hogan to a long-term deal.
The Demons have ruled out recruiting Gold Coast's Harley Bennell.
Melbourne's interest in Dion Prestia is not likely to progress further, with the midfielder to see out his existing contract, until the end of 2016, at Gold Coast.
DEFENDER Colin Garland has signed a three-year deal and will remain a Demon until at least the end of 2018.
Manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said Garland had become an integral member of the club’s backline.
“Col has become a stable member of our defence over the past few years,†he told melbournefc.com.au.
“His performance on the field and the mentoring role he plays with our young defenders has become very important.
“We look forward to him continuing to improve as a player and also helping our young defenders even further.â€
Garland, who was a restricted free agent, said he never considered leaving Melbourne.
“My main consideration was that I had one more year to get life membership and I see a great future for the club,†he told melbournefc.com.au.
“Whether the ultimate success comes while I’m here at the club or whether I just miss out and I’m part of building something â€" I’m happy being a part of it.â€
Garland said he always wanted to wait until the end of the season to finalise his contract.
“I just wanted to concentrate on my footy, after an injury-interrupted year [in 2014],†he said.
“The club’s been fantastic to me and my partner Jessie, who has been with me the whole time as well.
“I just didn’t want to play anywhere else. I knew at 27 [years old] and with a three-year deal, I’m all in now. I’ll do everything I can over the next three or four years to help bring the young guys on under Roosy (Paul Roos) and then Simon Goodwin.â€
Garland said he was adamant he didn’t want to field any other offers.
“I told my manager I didn’t want to speak to any other club, but it’s funny after seeing one of my great mates [James Frawley] win a premiership on the weekend, because you have to be envious of success,†he said.
“I was watching the game and people said ‘wouldn’t you love success?’ and I said ‘it wouldn’t mean anything to me unless it was with Melbourne’.
“I’m so happy for guys who go on and win a premiership, but I truly believe that we can go on and make finals next year. So in the end, I just wanted to be a Melbourne player.â€
Garland, who was drafted at No.46 in the 2006 NAB AFL Draft, has played 135 matches for Melbourne since making his AFL debut in round five, 2007 against the Sydney Swans at the SCG.
A NAB AFL Rising Star nominee in 2008, Garland also finished runner-up to Nathan Jones in the 2013 club best and fairest award.
Not really fussed either way about Garland
As a player
Quote from: Big Mac on October 07, 2015, 05:56:53 PM
Not really fussed either way about Garland
As a person, I'm delighted he has stayed on with us. I have a high opinion of him, and think he is part of a rare handful that has genuine passion for the club he plays for.
Also delighted to see Cross stay with us :D I also have huge wraps on that guy.
Reckon Trengove, Viney & Nate Jones are the other guys I truly respect as passionate Melbourne players.
Hey guys, seeing that Chris Dawes has been rumoured to have been placed on the trade table do you think that means Pedo is seen as the Best 22 key forward partner to Hogan? Or is there someone else I'm forgetting?
Quote from: Rusty00 on October 07, 2015, 11:02:27 PM
Hey guys, seeing that Chris Dawes has been rumoured to have been placed on the trade table do you think that means Pedo is seen as the Best 22 key forward partner to Hogan? Or is there someone else I'm forgetting?
Yep, imo Pedo is best 22 and I think most Melbourne fans would have it that way too
Dawes is rated pretty highly around the club though, and whilst he is terrible for the most part, he also knows how to work with Hogan pretty well and apparently is a decent leader
I can see a situation where Dawes and Pedo are both rotated in and out of the side next year
Frost will be in the mix too I believe.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-10-29/melbournes-2016-fixture-announced (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-10-29/melbournes-2016-fixture-announced)
First 9 rounds are decent, gets a bit harder after that though
Will be hard to generate momentum leading into finals ;)
I'm just so happy Melbourne are playing in Hobart ;D ;D ;D
Been praying for that ever since I was 4 years old. It is actually the first time ever they are playing in Tassy for premiership points!
I've only ever seen melbourne play live once in a H&A season, and that was last year. So very very happy :D
I've been pretty lucky in the west. I have mates that are Dockers and Eagles supporters obviously and whenever there is a Melbourne game they always take me. Pretty stoked that I get free entry whenever the Demons come over. Even got on the TV last year!
New Melbourne re-brand unveiled tonight. Somehow, it seems like there may be a little more than just an emblem to me?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-12/a-kick-with-jesse-free-coffees-and-a-new-logo-demons-launch-unique-rebrand (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-12/a-kick-with-jesse-free-coffees-and-a-new-logo-demons-launch-unique-rebrand)
I had a few criticisms of the logo of this year... but I still liked it. I was willing for it to be the logo for a very long time.
Kinda over us changing the logo for the third time in what, 9ish years?
I'm really happy with the new logo.
I think this is a good step for you
Isn't it like... kinda boring? Pretty similar to Carlton... I dunno. I feel the change wasn't worth it, but I don't hate it I guess.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 12, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
Isn't it like... kinda boring? Pretty similar to Carlton... I dunno. I feel the change wasn't worth it, but I don't hate it I guess.
Very boring
but so was the last one
and the one before that
I really couldn't give a flower what they did with the logo :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 12, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
Isn't it like... kinda boring? Pretty similar to Carlton... I dunno. I feel the change wasn't worth it, but I don't hate it I guess.
just needs a magpie in centre to finish it off ::)
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 29, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
I'm just so happy Melbourne are playing in Hobart ;D ;D ;D
Been praying for that ever since I was 4 years old. It is actually the first time ever they are playing in Tassy for premiership points!
I've only ever seen melbourne play live once in a H&A season, and that was last year. So very very happy :D
Might have happened if the flogging cheats at the AFL weren't so sold on having a non Vic team play the team in Tassie every match! Make Fremantle travel three planes and seven busses to get there but don't make Geelong or Collingwood ever travel down hill to play there? ???
Anyway, stoked for the Dees
This one is still my favourite of the Demons' logos;
(https://cdn.fairfaxregional.com.au/Maddie/melbourne-demons.jpg)
However, the re-brand is nice (I think their 2nd best logo).
You're logo over the last few years has been in the worst imo. It was unprofessional and looked like it was designed by kids (trying to fit as much as they can onto a shield)
(http://dreamteamtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/melbourne.png) - i.e. the pitchfork was enough, why did they have to add the southern cross (it's Australian Football - they don't need to imply they are Australian) and the football (in Australia people are aware they are a football team). This logo is shocking and a lot of Demon's fans I know hated it
Simplicity is the way to go with club logos and I think the Demons have nailed it
From what I can tell is they wanted to have a brand that was instantly recognised the moment you saw it. Similar to New York Yankees etc etc. I think they have done it very well.
Also all of the new 2016 gear like the polos/caps look a whole lot better.
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2015/11/12/410636.jpg)
Its old school .. I like it
The other interesting thing to note, is lead singer of Dallas Crane actually works for Melbourne and designed the new emblem.
I think it looks great!
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
this is why I would think about Francis in the draft.
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
this is why I would think about Francis in the draft.
Totally agree!
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
this is why I would think about Francis in the draft.
A forward was still definitely the priority. 3 tall defenders in that side but only 1 key forward.
Quote from: Big Mac on November 24, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
this is why I would think about Francis in the draft.
A forward was still definitely the priority. 3 tall defenders in that side but only 1 key forward.
agree was hoping you would get Francis and Weideman then would be set. Oscar Mcdonald not really a key defender. Either is francis really so its just Frost and Tmac.
Quote from: Holz on November 25, 2015, 03:18:20 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on November 24, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
this is why I would think about Francis in the draft.
A forward was still definitely the priority. 3 tall defenders in that side but only 1 key forward.
agree was hoping you would get Francis and Weideman then would be set. Oscar Mcdonald not really a key defender. Either is francis really so its just Frost and Tmac.
Why don't you think he will be a key defender?
From the outside it seems like they're developing him as one
Quote from: Big Mac on November 25, 2015, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 25, 2015, 03:18:20 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on November 24, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
this is why I would think about Francis in the draft.
A forward was still definitely the priority. 3 tall defenders in that side but only 1 key forward.
agree was hoping you would get Francis and Weideman then would be set. Oscar Mcdonald not really a key defender. Either is francis really so its just Frost and Tmac.
Why don't you think he will be a key defender?
From the outside it seems like they're developing him as one
to me he was always best places as a rebounding defender. He isnt like tmac he is better taking intercept marks and can kick well on both feet (despite his clanger in his nervous afl games)
Definitely can't see him as a FB or CHB. 3rd man up is definately possible so if you count that as a key defender then he could be. Definately wouldnt want him standing next to a big forward trying to take him one on one like Tmac can do.
Quote from: Holz on November 25, 2015, 04:22:50 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on November 25, 2015, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 25, 2015, 03:18:20 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on November 24, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 24, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on November 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
For just a bit of fun I thought I would play around with an under 24 team. I tried to do a 23 but was stretching the back line to that it was almost unrealistic. For what its worth the 24 yr old players are Melksham, Watts and Trengove. A lot of talent working through. Managed to come up with this;
Back: Frost, OMcDonald, Bugg
HB: Salem, TMcDonald, Melksham
Mid: Trengove, Harmes, Tyson
HF: Petracca, Watts, vandenBerg
Fwd: Kent, Hogan, JKH
Ruck: Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw
Bench: Kennedy, Newton, Stretch, ANB
This makes me happy.
this is why I would think about Francis in the draft.
A forward was still definitely the priority. 3 tall defenders in that side but only 1 key forward.
agree was hoping you would get Francis and Weideman then would be set. Oscar Mcdonald not really a key defender. Either is francis really so its just Frost and Tmac.
Why don't you think he will be a key defender?
From the outside it seems like they're developing him as one
to me he was always best places as a rebounding defender. He isnt like tmac he is better taking intercept marks and can kick well on both feet (despite his clanger in his nervous afl games)
Definitely can't see him as a FB or CHB. 3rd man up is definately possible so if you count that as a key defender then he could be. Definately wouldnt want him standing next to a big forward trying to take him one on one like Tmac can do.
makes sense. I agree that being a key defender probably won't be his role in the side, but i think he is/will be capable of it
Greetings Melbourne Experts :P
I'm seeking some info on Sam Frost as I haven't seen much of him over the last couple of years
If fit is he best 22?
What is his best position?
Would he be used as a ruck chop out for big Max?
And finally, because its what this research is mainly about, with his DPP could he score enough to be fantasy relevant this year? (especially as a R3)
Thanks in advance guys!
Quote from: Gigantor on January 21, 2016, 10:43:28 PM
Greetings Melbourne Experts :P
I'm seeking some info on Sam Frost as I haven't seen much of him over the last couple of years
If fit is he best 22?
What is his best position?
Would he be used as a ruck chop out for big Max?
And finally, because its what this research is mainly about, with his DPP could he score enough to be fantasy relevant this year? (especially as a R3)
Thanks in advance guys!
Yes he is best 22, best position is full-back but his pace means he can play elsewhere
Honestly don't know if he can be used as a ruck chop out for Max, Frost's ruck work leaves a lot to be desired and as we saw last year Max still has a bit of work to do on his tank (will have to wait and see how much it has improved this pre-season), meaning that Frost would probably have to do 20+% of the rucking
Either way though, I can't see him being fantasy relevant. As a forward he would mainly be there for his pressure acts and to provide a target for guys like Kent/Garlett to clean up after, and as a key defender I couldn't see his score improving much either
Bear in mind that he is also still in the rehab group at training
At training he has been doing a bit of work with the forwards and I think he is being groomed for that CHF/backup ruck role as Pedo and Dawes are getting on a bit.
Agree with what's said ^^
I reckon he is best 22, but no matter role Melbourne ends up playing him in (has been floated as all of a defender, forward and ruck), I really doubt he will be fantasy relevant. I'll predict a SC average of 45-60 for Frosty.
Thanks guys
I didn't realise he was such a swingman, I agree with Purple, unless he successfully rucks a fair bit I can't see him averaging more than 60 in SC. I still might pick him in AF as he is only 156K!
Who else will give Gawn a break? are either of the King boys likely to play as a supporting ruck?
Is Jake Spencer capable of being a 2nd ruck/fwd he looks like the kind of player who does ok as a solo ruck but struggles in a supporting role
The Kings probably won't see any games this year. Spencer will get the odd ones through the season depending on injuries. He can do the ruck/forward role well as evident in the game against Geelong.
Gawn is an interesting one. I see him at least keeping his 90 average I think it was and could possibly even push it further. I have been toying with him in a few sides I have made in DT. Not an SC player so not sure how he would go in SC. But he has potential to get up with the Blicavs/Jacobs/Mumford area. Wouldn't think he could get up to the Martin/Goldstein area. Although I never thought Goldstein would either and I have had Goldstein the last 3/4 seasons....
Talking about the CHF/ruck role and looking at it overall, there is quite a few guys in the team that are utilities.
Frost
Dunn
TMac
Pedo
All of them have spent some time in the ruck, back and forward. They may not be the best when they go in to a different position but are pretty handy I reckon.
Gold from Demonland:
QuoteImagine there's no injuries
It isn't hard to do
No players out of form
And no suspensions too
Imagine all the midfield
In the twenty-two
Imagine no bad losses
I wonder if you can
No need for gnashing or wailing
Or meltdowns on SEN
Imagine if the Demons
Scraped into the eight
Yoo-hoo, woo-woo-woo
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And D'land will be as one
MELBOURNE hopes to add a top-up rookie to its list following the suspension of former Bomber Jake Melksham.
AFL.com.au understands Melbourne has joined Port Adelaide, the Western Bulldogs and St Kilda as the clubs to seek clarification from the AFL about their entitlements in replacing suspended players.
However, it is understood the Demons would prefer to have access to a player based on their rookie list, rather than one on the primary list.
That way Melbourne would be able to replace its upgraded rookie for Melksham with an additional player to fill out its squad.
The AFL has already allowed the clubs to upgrade a rookie-listed player for those players who received season-long bans from the Court of Arbitration for Sport for taking the banned substance Thymosin Beta-4 during 2012.
The League is set to deliver a verdict later this week, with submissions from the affected clubs set to close at 5pm on Tuesday afternoon.
It is believed the Demons are in no rush to bring in a new player in place of Melksham, with the club under the impression the player would be inadequately prepared from a fitness point of view, as well as being behind in understanding the club's game plan.
As reported by AFL.com.au last week, Port has applied to the League for approval to recruit two top-up rookies in place of Angus Monfries and Patrick Ryder.
St Kilda (Jake Carlisle) and the Western Bulldogs (Stewart Crameri) have also requested the same allowance from the League.
Speaking in Adelaide on Tuesday at the launch of the 2016 NAB Challenge, AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan said all clubs would know the outcome of their requests before the end of the week.
"Andrew Dillon (AFL general counsel) is having a look at that at the moment," McLachlan said.
"[The clubs' submissions are] due 5pm today … he'll consider those, obviously then he'll make his own decision about what's right.
"I imagine it'll be done by the end of this week."
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Does anyone else seem a bit suspicious about this? There is a certain someone within the club that knows the game plan, that is incredibly fit and has been training every day with the team... ;)
Quote from: Barra13 on February 03, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
Does anyone else seem a bit suspicious about this? There is a certain someone within the club that knows the game plan, that is incredibly fit and has been training every day with the team... ;)
;D
Quote from: Big Mac on February 03, 2016, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on February 03, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
Does anyone else seem a bit suspicious about this? There is a certain someone within the club that knows the game plan, that is incredibly fit and has been training every day with the team... ;)
;D
:P
Quote from: Purple 77 on February 03, 2016, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on February 03, 2016, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: Barra13 on February 03, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
Does anyone else seem a bit suspicious about this? There is a certain someone within the club that knows the game plan, that is incredibly fit and has been training every day with the team... ;)
;D
:P
who?
Paul Roos?
Haha not quite. Daniel Cross is who I was talking about.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-18/move-to-wing-could-revitalise-grimes (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-18/move-to-wing-could-revitalise-grimes)
FORMER Melbourne captain Jack Grimes will get the chance to re-energise his football career as a wingman, starting in the NAB Challenge.
Grimes, who will be a free agent at the end of the season, struggled for form and confidence last year after missing out on senior selection in round one.
The 26-year-old regained his spot in defence, but played just 12 games and enters a career-defining season in 2016.
Melbourne coach Paul Roos told AFL.com.au that Grimes had embraced his new role, and the coaches were excited about what he had shown on the training track.
Roos added Grimes had the flexibility and endurance to play in the high half-forward role.
"He is a good athlete. He gets up and back the field really well, [and with] 90 interchange he is really [suited to] where the game is going," Roos said.
"He has really embraced that role and I think it is a role he can play really well."
... Grimes... prove me wrong. :-[
Finally, an accurate article on Dean Kent:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dean-kent-primed-for-breakout-2016-season-with-melbourne-demons/news-story/1ba2a9190fc0c637217e9412076b1849
I remember J.Grimes went absolutely silly with his scoring in the last month of last season. Scored well after starting in a vest then pumped three straight tons I think. I assume he got more midfield time then, so a repeat of the same could be very very interesting #PODcentral
Quote from: elephants on February 19, 2016, 10:55:44 AM
I remember J.Grimes went absolutely silly with his scoring in the last month of last season. Scored well after starting in a vest then pumped three straight tons I think. I assume he got more midfield time then, so a repeat of the same could be very very interesting #PODcentral
Yup. His last month last year is the reason I didn't sell him off for nothing in Americas DT and SC.... So I need him to have a good year :P
Changes for next week is an interesting discussion.
Watching today's game there is one clear choice for me that needs to be dropped.
Despite his prolific 23 disposals, I've officially acknowledging Dom Tyson is overrated, and needs to be dropped. I believe he has skill, but his decision making can be woeful and he is also prone to laziness; both things I believe can be fixed with a wake-up call at Casey, so he can come back and start playing like he did in 2014.
But he is my first out, followed by James Harmes and Tomas Bugg (wtf is his role?).
I've giving Kent another chance, and will back in Garland, Brayshaw and Vanders to bounce back.
But for me, this week it is:
OUT: Dom Tyson, James Harmes, Tomas Bugg
IN: ... ugh. ANB had a good day at Casey? Stretch? And obviously, screamingly, LYNDEN DUNN!
Trenners apparently tore it up :D Petracca still needs time. Heck, even give Grimes another go, I dunno, but I'm firm in my belief that Tyson needs to get dropped.
Yeah Tyson was woeful I thought Purps.
Matt Jones appeared to play across halfback a bit??
Quote from: elephants on April 04, 2016, 02:41:24 PM
Yeah Tyson was woeful I thought Purps.
Matt Jones appeared to play across halfback a bit??
I've been tracking him a bit (for WXV purposes lol or otherwise I probably wouldn't even know he he is :P) and has been named at HBF for the first two rounds and appears to be playing there during games. Had quite a nice NAB challenge so that's why I started paying attention and he's done ok the first two rounds!
Quote from: Toga on April 04, 2016, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 04, 2016, 02:41:24 PM
Yeah Tyson was woeful I thought Purps.
Matt Jones appeared to play across halfback a bit??
I've been tracking him a bit (for WXV purposes lol or otherwise I probably wouldn't even know he he is :P) and has been named at HBF for the first two rounds and appears to be playing there during games. Had quite a nice NAB challenge so that's why I started paying attention and he's done ok the first two rounds!
Seems to be a changed man!
I still have that stupid turnover he made firmly ingrained in my mind though >:( but yeah, he seems to be playing predominately off half-back.
Excerpt from the great man Titus O'Reily (a melbourne supporter for some context below)
He summed up my feelings perfectly. Roos has never given me any sort of satisfaction in a post-match presser:
QuotePaul Roos offered three excuses after the loss, lets look at them:
Players were ‘tired’
So I just checked and it’s round two. ROUND TWO. No, not round 22.
Apparently these ‘athletes’ are too tired to beat a team who had 11 senior players suspended this year.
If only we had a highly paid senior coach who’d been there a few years to get the right fitness levels into them. How the media pack didn’t burst out laughing when he said this is beyond me. Beyond.
I must have also missed the bit where Essendon got a bye week in round one too and were fresh as a daisy.
Chose the wrong side
Sorry?
Roos said they chose the wrong side, conveniently throwing Angus Brayshaw under the bus while doing so.
Considering Melbourne currently have two senior coaches, I would have thought this could have been handled by someone.
Melbourne lacked ‘respect’ for Essendon
Why would the Demons disrespect anyone? They haven’t won two games in a row since 2011. They are the laughing stock of the league and have been for a decade. They don’t even respect themselves.
Paul Roos, ladies and gentlemen, worth every million.
It makes you wonder why Demons fans continue to spend our hard inherited on this club.
Jack Trengove had 22 touches and 2 goals on Saturday in the VFL.
He had 13 possessions at quarter time.
Did I hear that he only played the first half? Or was that only Petracca?
Also, THE DEMONS ARE PLAYING IN TASSY THIS WEEK!
I'm been so excited for like 6 months now!
I've only watched them live once in 2014, and have been praying they'd come down since I was 4 years old, so my long time wish is finally coming true :D
Cannot wait to see Jesse!
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 05, 2016, 09:28:13 PM
Also, THE DEMONS ARE PLAYING IN TASSY THIS WEEK!
I'm been so excited for like 6 months now!
I've only watched them live once in 2014, and have been praying they'd come down since I was 4 years old, so my long time wish is finally coming true :D
Cannot wait to see Jesse!
What's your thoughts
(IF) this were true?
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,106651.msg1739972.html#new
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 05, 2016, 09:12:19 PM
Did I hear that he only played the first half? Or was that only Petracca?
Think that was just tracca
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 05, 2016, 09:28:13 PM
Also, THE DEMONS ARE PLAYING IN TASSY THIS WEEK!
I'm been so excited for like 6 months now!
I've only watched them live once in 2014, and have been praying they'd come down since I was 4 years old, so my long time wish is finally coming true :D
Cannot wait to see Jesse!
Sounds good mate :D
I'll probably end up watching this week's game, but man being there on Saturday really took it out of me. Just knowing that I legitimately wasted 3 hours because the performance was so putrid is a shower feeling
Quote from: nas on April 05, 2016, 09:33:05 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 05, 2016, 09:28:13 PM
Also, THE DEMONS ARE PLAYING IN TASSY THIS WEEK!
I'm been so excited for like 6 months now!
I've only watched them live once in 2014, and have been praying they'd come down since I was 4 years old, so my long time wish is finally coming true :D
Cannot wait to see Jesse!
What's your thoughts (IF) this were true?
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,106651.msg1739972.html#new
Lol, what BS. He's contracted in for us in 2017 lol
The article just screams bull shower to me. It's articles like this that should have the journalist listed, and made accountable for speculative stories and rumours like this.
MELBOURNE is confident forward Jeff Garlett will be fit to play in Sunday's game against North Melbourne in Hobart, despite hurting his left ankle at training on Wednesday morning.
Garlett limped from the track and immediately saw the club's medical staff on the sidelines.
But in good news for the Demons, high performance manager Dave Misson said Garlett's injury was only a "slight roll" of the ankle.
"It's Wednesday and we play on Sunday and we just want to take every precaution," Misson told the club's website.
"He will absolutely, definitely play on Sunday and will most probably train on Friday with the group.
"It's really nothing serious and he's in no doubt whatsoever."
The speedster was put through a series of run-throughs but appeared to be extremely proppy as he ran along the boundary line.
He then ran a slow lap with one of the physios before leaving the track and walking, with a slight limp, back to AAMI Park.
Garlett has kicked an equal team-high four goals alongside Jesse Hogan in the first two rounds of the season and shapes as a key player against the Roos at Blundstone Arena on Sunday.
Jack Viney, Aaron vandenBerg, Colin Garland and Angus Brayshaw were all on light duties on a wet Wednesday morning at Gosch's Paddock.
Gonna be a cold and wet day apparently down in Hobart. Stoppages galore, so expect Viney to go nuts and have Gawn test himself out against Goldstein regularly 8)
One player in particular and he was the LAST player i'd EVER expected to get ahead of himself and underperform, so badly his team lost to what others (Not me) thought might not win a game
What went wrong with my boy Jack Viney? Gee wiz wow, wrap a boy right up and he flops. I'm sure he is as embarrassed as anyone including the Richmond players :P But I really was shocked at his performance.
He'll bounce back, maybe it's the loss he needed to kick-start his Brownlow medal year :o I still remember back in 1997 when Port beat the Crows in Showdown 1. Kicked the Crows into gear and they went on to win the flag ........
Just sayn :o
Haha, I'm never worried about Jack Viney. Biggest competitor on the list and I have more confidence in him than any other player in regards to whether they know how be a great AFL player.
He'll bounce back 8) although I think him having to tag for a while messed up his groove in Round 2. Hopefully he can just be allowed to go for it in the future.
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 02, 2016, 11:29:34 PM
Despite his prolific 23 disposals, I've officially acknowledging Dom Tyson is overrated, and needs to be dropped. I believe he has skill, but his decision making can be woeful and he is also prone to laziness; both things I believe can be fixed with a wake-up call at Casey, so he can come back and start playing like he did in 2014.
On this Purp, he seemed to find a lot of the ball and kicked 0.3... Imagine if that was 3 straight!
Looking at his heat-maps from the first two weeks, he seems to get a fair bit of ball in defensive 50. I assume this is not a role thing and simply a case of coincidence that the ball is defensive side of centre when he's running on ball, right?
Wagner to debut against North Melbourne this Sunday.
Quote from: elephants on April 07, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 02, 2016, 11:29:34 PM
Despite his prolific 23 disposals, I've officially acknowledging Dom Tyson is overrated, and needs to be dropped. I believe he has skill, but his decision making can be woeful and he is also prone to laziness; both things I believe can be fixed with a wake-up call at Casey, so he can come back and start playing like he did in 2014.
On this Purp, he seemed to find a lot of the ball and kicked 0.3... Imagine if that was 3 straight!
Looking at his heat-maps from the first two weeks, he seems to get a fair bit of ball in defensive 50. I assume this is not a role thing and simply a case of coincidence that the ball is defensive side of centre when he's running on ball, right?
I'd say coincidence. He just follows the ball.
Well yeah, 0.3 kinda sums him up. 2 of those shots he should have got, and his field kicking standard has dropped significantly. Sure he can get 23 possessions, but he keeps giving them straight the opposition :/
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 07, 2016, 06:10:37 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 07, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 02, 2016, 11:29:34 PM
Despite his prolific 23 disposals, I've officially acknowledging Dom Tyson is overrated, and needs to be dropped. I believe he has skill, but his decision making can be woeful and he is also prone to laziness; both things I believe can be fixed with a wake-up call at Casey, so he can come back and start playing like he did in 2014.
On this Purp, he seemed to find a lot of the ball and kicked 0.3... Imagine if that was 3 straight!
Looking at his heat-maps from the first two weeks, he seems to get a fair bit of ball in defensive 50. I assume this is not a role thing and simply a case of coincidence that the ball is defensive side of centre when he's running on ball, right?
I'd say coincidence. He just follows the ball.
Well yeah, 0.3 kinda sums him up. 2 of those shots he should have got, and his field kicking standard has dropped significantly. Sure he can get 23 possessions, but he keeps giving them straight the opposition :/
Yeah thats a fair call. Will be interesting to see if the selection committee has the eggs to send him back to the ressies for a stint.
Was also wondering Barra, Mac or anyone, if Melbourne do open training sessions (or you can simply watch them train) when they visit other states? Like the day before the game?
I know Bernie Vince said that they'd train a little on Saturday at Bellerieve, but I can't find a time...
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 07, 2016, 10:21:55 PM
Was also wondering Barra, Mac or anyone, if Melbourne do open training sessions (or you can simply watch them train) when they visit other states? Like the day before the game?
I know Bernie Vince said that they'd train a little on Saturday at Bellerieve, but I can't find a time...
Just go all day Purp! ;) What you got to lose?
Actually came here to see your reaction to the team news but seems to be mellow. Perhaps it's just a case of already thrown in the towel?
Quote from: Levi434 on April 08, 2016, 12:56:04 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 07, 2016, 10:21:55 PM
Was also wondering Barra, Mac or anyone, if Melbourne do open training sessions (or you can simply watch them train) when they visit other states? Like the day before the game?
I know Bernie Vince said that they'd train a little on Saturday at Bellerieve, but I can't find a time...
Just go all day Purp! ;) What you got to lose?
Actually came here to see your reaction to the team news but seems to be mellow. Perhaps it's just a case of already thrown in the towel?
Oh, I'm just not surprised about Tyson. I don't think Roos has reached that stage of radicalism :P
Although dropping Garland sends a message that I like; despite it being cruel as he is the only Tasmanian on the list >:(
Dropping Brayshaw also just adds to his foolishness of including him in the first place!
But yeah, agree with Garlo decision, but it sucks that it had to be this week. He is a proud Tasmanian.
What does Wagner add? Didn't show much preseason.
Quote from: My Chumps on April 08, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
What does Wagner add? Didn't show much preseason.
He has a crack at least
Surprised he was included tbh, an interesting move
Apparently Mitch King did his ACL, JKH a hammy and Trengove was concussed in the VFL yesterday
A little disappointing in that regard but Casey still ended up with a 144 point win
Petracca 28 and 2 goals in about 3/4, although doesn't mean a whole lot given the opposition
Weideman 4 goals which is good to see
Matt Jones still finding the pill across halfback. His disposal efficiency wasn't fantastic, I assume largely to the wind down in Tassie. Reckon he will have this role at least for the short to medium term?
Quote from: elephants on April 11, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
Matt Jones still finding the pill across halfback. His disposal efficiency wasn't fantastic, I assume largely to the wind down in Tassie. Reckon he will have this role at least for the short to medium term?
Eh. He's not on top of the list of players I have a problem with, and seeing as Paul Roos has a direct line on my thoughts and feelings, I'd say he's safe for now :P
Quote from: elephants on April 11, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
Matt Jones still finding the pill across halfback. His disposal efficiency wasn't fantastic, I assume largely to the wind down in Tassie. Reckon he will have this role at least for the short to medium term?
Hard to say because although he is playing his role well, he isn't much more than a cog in the machine
Jayden Hunt could very easily take his spot at some point, although I think Jones is safe for the next few weeks
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 11, 2016, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 11, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
Matt Jones still finding the pill across halfback. His disposal efficiency wasn't fantastic, I assume largely to the wind down in Tassie. Reckon he will have this role at least for the short to medium term?
Eh. He's not on top of the list of players I have a problem with, and seeing as Paul Roos has a direct line on my thoughts and feelings, I'd say he's safe for now :P
Gee Dom Tyson used the ball well on the weekend :P
Quote from: My Chumps on April 11, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 11, 2016, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 11, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
Matt Jones still finding the pill across halfback. His disposal efficiency wasn't fantastic, I assume largely to the wind down in Tassie. Reckon he will have this role at least for the short to medium term?
Eh. He's not on top of the list of players I have a problem with, and seeing as Paul Roos has a direct line on my thoughts and feelings, I'd say he's safe for now :P
Gee Dom Tyson used the ball well on the weekend :P
Now, wait just a minute.
Although that goal he did was sublime (right in front of me too!) as a result from equally sublime ruck work from Max Gawn, that was just one of 4 kicks, that's right, 4 kicks he did for the day.
Could that be playing within his limitations? Maybe, in which case I support that.
Would a fit Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw or Jack Trengove be preferred? Absolutely.
So we've seen a few new players this year so I thought I would put up a best 22 the way I see it.
BACK: N.Jetta, L.Dunn, C.Garland
HB: M.Jones, T.MacDonald, C.Salem
MID: A.Brayshaw, B.Vince, J.Harmes
HF: J.Watts, A.vandenBerg, B.Kennedy
FWD: D.Kent, J.Hogan, J.Garlett
FOLL: M.Gawn, N.Jones, J.Viney
INT: C.Oliver, H.Lumumba, MID, CHF
Frost, Bugg, Wagner and OMac all seem a little raw to me. MJones seems to be doing his job and at this stage am happy for him to be in the team.
MID: I couldn't really decide who to put here but happy to have a revolving door with ANB/Petracca/Stretch/Trengove.
CHF: Have been let down a little by Pedo this year so far, he has an opportunity to be taking that CHF role but isn't making it his own. But in saying that, one of Dawes or Pedo need to be in the team.
Did you omit Dom Tyson just for me Barra? :P
I'm not sure the rest of the Melbourne faithful share my views :-X
Dom Tyson definitely best 22 for me. Yes he may need a stint in the VFL to get into some form and reinforce the basics but he is still best 22.
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 11, 2016, 01:52:20 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on April 11, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 11, 2016, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 11, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
Matt Jones still finding the pill across halfback. His disposal efficiency wasn't fantastic, I assume largely to the wind down in Tassie. Reckon he will have this role at least for the short to medium term?
Eh. He's not on top of the list of players I have a problem with, and seeing as Paul Roos has a direct line on my thoughts and feelings, I'd say he's safe for now :P
Gee Dom Tyson used the ball well on the weekend :P
Now, wait just a minute.
Although that goal he did was sublime (right in front of me too!) as a result from equally sublime ruck work from Max Gawn, that was just one of 4 kicks, that's right, 4 kicks he did for the day.
Could that be playing within his limitations? Maybe, in which case I support that.
Would a fit Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw or Jack Trengove be preferred? Absolutely.
I think I recall him hitting someone lace out inside 50 at some stage down that end too! 4 kicks out of 20 is a touch concerning though.
I am a big fan of Tyson, but believe he just needs to find a little bit of form. Include him as the other MID if you must.
I definitely believe Tyson has a future at Melbourne and when he is at his best, he is an auto-selection. I'd be devastated if he left Melbourne or anything like that.
Still, drop the guy. It'll do him good.
We're gonna miss Bernie this week :-\ he killed against Collingwood twice last year.
God do I wanna win this match
Seems that anyone that isn't battling an injury or isn't a rookie is in form at the moment. Good signs for the whole club. ANB could be getting a call up after his efforts.
Casey Scorpions 27.17 (179) d Frankston 5.5 (35)
“A lot of things went right for us and a lot of players played really well. It was a really good start to round one and the start of the season. We were dampened early by three significant injuries early in the game â€" and three Melbourne-listed players, so it was really disappointing that that happened. But there were a lot of winners on the night and there were a lot of players who played their role, which was really pleasing.†â€" Justin Plapp
Angus Brayshaw: It was a really, really solid game from Angus. He had 33 possessions and kicked two goals and went inside 50 seven times. Angus came back from the AFL and needed the run. We had the opportunity to give him some pretty big game time, which was something we wanted him to achieve. His work around the ball and contested work and his attack on the opposition was a real highlight. He certainly ticked a lot of boxes on the weekend.
Colin Garland: Col was solid. Like Angus, he came back from the AFL. Without starring, he played a really solid role in defence. He took a lot of strong contested marks. With a lot of younger players in the backline, he really organised and directed our defensive six really well, which was pleasing. He had 18 possessions and had seven marks, so without starring, he was solid.
Liam Hulett: It was probably Liam’s better games since he’s been drafted to the club. He’s a first year player and is learning his craft, so it’s going to take some time for him, as he’s come from under-18 level. We were really pleased with his output on the weekend. It was the first time he got into double-figure possessions, so he won a bit of the ball. He marked the ball strongly at times and kicked a goal, so it was an improvement on the past two or three weeks.
Jayden Hunt: I felt Hunty was one of our better players. He’s put two or three really solid weeks together in the VFL now, so he should be knocking on the door in the next few weeks. He had 30 possessions, playing a high defensive role, plus he linked up really well. Hunty also gave us plenty of dash and speed from opposition turnovers. We were really happy with his game and he’s coming along really well, so we were pleased with him.
Joel Smith: He’s a rookie in his first year at the club. Joel’s another who is improving week-by-week. He got exposed to a lot of game time on the weekend, because of our injuries. He’s a kid who plays with a lot of intensity and speed, plus he attacks the ball from the air. Joel’s another kid, who we’re not putting any pressure on, but it’s just about getting game time into him. We just want him to keep working on his craft. He had 19 possessions and took six marks, so for that role that he plays, he certainly had an impact.
Jay Kennedy-Harris: He played well up until he hurt his hamstring. Unfortunately, he had to go off the ground. Jay’s had a couple of setbacks over the past couple of months, in regards to injuries, so he just can’t get consistency with his footy at the moment. He’ll be assessed during the week to see where he’s at, but up until he got injured, he was playing his role.
Oscar McDonald: It was probably one of the better games I’ve seen Oscar play in the VFL. He was really strong in the contest and he defended well. He probably let himself down with his disposal at times and his efficiency by foot. For the role we wanted him to play, he certainly ticked a lot of boxes. He’s another one who has put another strong performance up and he’ll certainly come into the mix for senior selection.
Mitch King: He unfortunately did his knee in the match. Mitch only lasted half a quarter and unfortunately we didn’t see him again.
Viv Michie: I thought Viv was another one of our better players on the night. He played midfield and spent some time at half-back. He won 23 possessions and went inside 50 six times. He finished with two goals and his contest work was a highlight. His ability to use his hands around the contest and bring other players into the game was a real highlight.
Alex Neal-Bullen: He’s been pretty solid the past two weeks. Alex has had 30-plus touches for the past two matches. His work around the ball and his tackling was really strong. We were really, really happy with Alex. He’s put two solid weeks in at VFL level.
Cameron Pedersen: He was another who came back from the senior team and gained big numbers. Cam had 29 possessions and took six marks. The pleasing thing about him this week was that we were happy with the way that he competed, particularly forward. He had to go into the ruck when Mitch King when down with a knee injury. He gave us a really strong contest and worked to help our defenders as well. His effort was fantastic and he played a really good game.
Christian Petracca: Christian was solid again. He’s come back from a long layoff and it was his second game back. He increased his game time. We’re just letting him feel his way, as the most important thing for him is to build his tank, game time and his conditioning. He’s been able to do that the past two weeks. He’s got some things to work on, but in regards to playing his role, his ball-winning efforts and his ability to get out of tight situations, particularly around the footy â€" his game was a highlight. He also finished off his work well and pushed forward to kick three goals, so he was one of our better players.
Dean Terlich: I was really happy with Dean and so were the other coaches. They were really pleased with his performance on the weekend. Dean played his role, used it well when he had it and defended strongly. It was a credit to him, as he had a couple of weeks off, yet came back into the team and had a really good performance.
Jack Trengove: Trenners unfortunately was knocked out in the first two minutes of the game, so he took no further part in the game. He’ll be assessed later in the week in regards to whether he plays this week or not.
Sam Weideman: He’s going really well, this kid. He’s getting better each week. He kicked four goals. His contest and the way he attacks the ball is a real highlight and his one-on-one work against his direct opponent was also something that was the highlight of his game. Sam’s another first-year player who we hope will continue to improve week-by-week. He’s a terrific young kid who wants to keep learning and get better.
Mitch White: Whitey was good. He took some really good contested marks and some good intercept marks from the opposition. He’s certainly growing and developing and he played a good game. Mitch continues to work on his craft and is really clear on where he needs to get better.
The bad thing about winning really well, is that every player does well and you don't know if there performance was really good or just the benefit of winning by 144 points...
Still, love seeing the Weed kick a bag, Petraccattack building and Brayshaw getting his hands on the ball; something he hasn't really been able to do much at AFL level. Boy he makes them count, but I'm looking forward to the day he gets 25+ possessions at AFL.
QuoteGot along to training this morning. I believe the whole list was present save for Mitch King.
Arrived to see a "sore / tightness" group jogging slow laps comprising Viney, Kent, Salem, Vince, Terlich IIRC.
The rehab group consisted of JKH (hammy strapped) and Jeffy doing some quick hands handballing. Jeffy later proceeded to walk a couple of laps and then disappear. Not self evident that he'll be playing this week but perhaps just giving the ankle maximum rest. Pencil must have been lurking there too somewhere as I saw him later on in the session walking around the boundary.
Oscar McDonald didn't participate in training and just jogged a few laps.
Training consisted of the usual skills sessions. Highlights for me were: 1) Ben Newton looked sharp and must be close to a game with Casey; 2) Dawes participated fully and can't be far away; 3) Trengove showed no signs of any lingering impact from the hit out at Casey; 4) Petracca very enthusiastic and hit up Weed and others on a number of occasions with what's quickly becoming a trade-mark ie low, hard & accurate passes.....not quite Flash like but elements to be sure.; 5) a great camaraderie across the group with a high level of self assuredness ahead of what looms as a massive game against a backs to the wall Pies unit.
The other interesting facet was a couple of media outlets being present, including Stevo who stayed for the whole session. So presumably a selection story brewing?
Max Gawn is a monster in the ruck. The man can get a hitout or two!
Quote from: Nige on April 14, 2016, 12:54:54 PM
Max Gawn is a monster in the ruck. The man can get a hitout or two!
Destroyed Goldy imo
Goldy still better around the ground though
Quote from: Big Mac on April 14, 2016, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: Nige on April 14, 2016, 12:54:54 PM
Max Gawn is a monster in the ruck. The man can get a hitout or two!
Destroyed Goldy imo
Goldy still better around the ground though
I really thought Gawn destroyed Goldy in general after quarter time.
But yeah, I'll have to admit he had a better overall game than Gawn credit to that insane first quarter.
CHRISTIAN Petracca is "jumping out of his skin" to play but the former No.2 draft pick will have to wait, with Melbourne coach Paul Roos ruling out a debut against Collingwood on Sunday.
Taken at pick No.2 in the 2014 NAB AFL Draft, Petracca was sidelined for his entire first season after rupturing the ACL in his left knee in February last year.
After a lengthy rehabilitation, Petracca has been back playing competitive football for the past two weeks, dominating for VFL club Casey last weekend.
The 20-year-old midfielder gathered 28 disposals and kicked two goals in 85 minutes against Frankston, sparking suggestions he could be ready for an AFL debut.
Despite Petracca's impressive VFL performance, Roos said the youngster wasn't yet ready for senior selection.
"We think Christian is talented and coming back well from a knee reconstruction really well," Roos said on Thursday.
"But the reality is the jump up from VFL to AFL is fairly significant, so we'll continue to monitor him."
Melbourne skipper Nathan Jones said the 20-year-old was still "a couple of weeks away", but admitted the young midfielder was looking forward to eventually playing his first game for the Demons.
"He's one of the most excitable characters. You almost have to pull the reins on him because he's jumping out of his skin," Jones said.
"I love his confidence and I love his enthusiasm but I think he's aware he has to continue to work on getting his body 100 per cent and get that conditioning in.
"He really believes in himself and backs himself. I'm going to be pretty excited when he gets his chance. He's going to do some impressive things for us.
"We need to make sure we prepare him as best we can to live up to some of the hype so when he gets out there he can play his best footy."
Midfielder Angus Brayshaw could return to the senior side against the Pies this week with Bernie Vince suspended.
Goal sneak Jeff Garlett will need to get through training on Friday before he is cleared to play.
The small forward injured his ankle last week at training and consequently missed the loss to North Melbourne last Sunday.
Any chance of a tag going to Cotchin this week?
Quote from: GoLions on April 20, 2016, 02:30:25 PM
Any chance of a tag going to Cotchin this week?
I'd think either N.Jones or Viney go head to head with him or Vince tags. Vince has been good this yr tho... Maybe Tommy Bugg tags him?
Quote from: elephants on April 20, 2016, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: GoLions on April 20, 2016, 02:30:25 PM
Any chance of a tag going to Cotchin this week?
I'd think either N.Jones or Viney go head to head with him or Vince tags. Vince has been good this yr tho... Maybe Tommy Bugg tags him?
Yeah hoping he goes H2H with someone haha, considering him as C in BXVs because he's been posting 200+ for 3 weeks straight, but also means teams might give him a bit more attention now.
Nah don't think he gets tagged, Roos has been letting Viney and Vince run free this year, and Bugg, well, he just seems to follow the ball around
Cotchin not worthy of a tag anyway imo, not very damaging with the ball
Quote from: Big Mac on April 20, 2016, 03:10:45 PM
Nah don't think he gets tagged, Roos has been letting Viney and Vince run free this year, and Bugg, well, he just seems to follow the ball around
Cotchin not worthy of a tag anyway imo, not very damaging with the ball
Sweet, cheers BM 8)
Cotchin cant hit a 5 metre handball no chance he cops a tag better off handing him the ball because you will get it right back
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on April 20, 2016, 03:25:40 PM
Cotchin cant hit a 5 metre handball no chance he cops a tag better off handing him the ball because you will get it right back
Its the 7m kicks that have me in hysterics
Quote from: elephants on April 20, 2016, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on April 20, 2016, 03:25:40 PM
Cotchin cant hit a 5 metre handball no chance he cops a tag better off handing him the ball because you will get it right back
Its the 7m kicks that have me in hysterics
Still gets me points in BXVs haha, so I'll take it ;D
I don't think Melbourne have tagged much at all this year...
M.Jones does somewhat of a forward tag every now and then I suppose...
God knows what Bugg actually does. He's just there.
OK!
Dom Tyson was really good.
There I said it :P
Maxy gAWN! has got to be an All Australian inclusion if he keeps this up (either as ruck or on the interchange supporting Goldy - I personally think gAWN! is better), which I have no doubts he will, no. 1 ruck in the comp around stoppages and he is rapidly catching up to Goldy's quality around the ground.
Absolute gun.
Terrific game
There were a few who obviously dominated, but I think everyone at least played their role and contributed and it would be difficult to drop anyone on tonight's performance. Hunt I think should play again, has surprised me with how good he is defensively and he actually used his pace a little bit tonight, would be good to see him make a big rundown tackle though
Hunt looks like he belongs... very surprised.
But what about Wagner! Been blown away with him!
And Gawns first half was breathtaking...
Wagner was exceptional I thought! Definitely a chance for a 10 yr player there, has the makings!
Loved the grunt and attitude Bugg added on ball and that mark and goal when he went forward!!!
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 25, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
Hunt looks like he belongs... very surprised.
What do you expect from a good Badgers boy 8)
So, Brayshaw for Oliver?
I think Petracca comes in too but who for? Frost maybe but I don't really want to drop him, he doesn't win a lot of the ball but the side always seems to function well with him in it
Quote from: Big Mac on April 25, 2016, 04:18:39 PM
So, Brayshaw for Oliver?
I think Petracca comes in too but who for? Frost maybe but I don't really want to drop him, he doesn't win a lot of the ball but the side always seems to function well with him in it
Yeah... Brayshaw hasn't been great :-\
Frost is an enigma. As you say, we do seem to function better when he is in the team, and he has been good in the past 2 games... seems to be improving, and as long as he is doing that then he isn't on my chopping block.
Hmm. M Jones, Oliver, Petracca, ANB, heck even Trengove and Michie could come in.
With those names available, yeah Brayshaw comes out.
What Harmes does is good, but is 11 disposals enough to keep Truck at bay?
Yeah... seeing as we won, it probably is.
Casey Scorpions stats;
Garland 19d 15k 4h 7m
Grimes 21d 6k 15h 1G
Hulett 6d 5k 1h 4G
Max King 11d 5k 6h 2g
Michie 28d 19k 9h
Newton 22d 3k 19h
Petracca 26d 11k 15h
Stretch 20d 12k 8h
Terlich 19d 14k 5h
Trengove 30d 14k 16h 2G
Weideman 12d 6k 6h 2G
White 21d 12k 9h
Did Oliver play?
No, he had a rest day.
This might tell a bit more of the story;
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Stretch with 11 tackles, nice!
So has Wagner replaced Matt Jones across halfback? His last two matches have coincided with a quieter one from M.Jones and then him being 'rested'.
Quote from: elephants on April 26, 2016, 02:21:13 PM
So has Wagner replaced Matt Jones across halfback? His last two matches have coincided with a quieter one from M.Jones and then him being 'rested'.
I don't think so; IMO Wagner has replaced Garland, and that Hunt might make way for M Jones. However, the Dees might keep persevering with the impressive Hunt, so he might not get back in this week.
Trenners had 10 tackles as well?! WOW! Cheers for the stats barra.
We're all getting exciting about Truck, but Trenners stats have been consistently better IMO! But I imagine the Dees will make him play another month or so at Casey yet.
Speaking of Truck... does he play this week? He's "unlucky" that we've been in consistent good form for the first time in 5 years :P
MAYBE! This is what happens:
In: Oliver & Petracca (*moans*)
Out: Brayshaw & Frost/Harmes (depending on how tall/small we wanna go)
Haha, just reading through first page or 2 of this ever-growing thread. Thought I'd take advantage of this at least temporary optimistic feel I have about Melbourne to see how far my opinion and view of melbourne has changed.
For context, this thread started after being 0-3 at the start of 2014 (start of the Roos Reign), (also before our win against Carlton in Round 4), and we were woeful in those 3 games. I've never reacted worse IRL to a loss than I did Round 1 of 2014 against the worst 22 St Kilda fielded for the entire year (and they won the spoon that year), and I still sometimes think of what transpired that night :-X
I was dead on the money on some of the things I pointed out at the time :P but also equally wrong about other things (like Neville Jetta).
But I'm most proud of this:
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 07, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
The only way to break this losing mentality, and to get rid of the scars on these players, is to get rid of them. It is the only way to start afresh. The following players should be delisted/traded:
Bail, Rohan
Barry, Dom
Blease, Sam
Byrnes, Shannon
Evans, Michael
Grimes, Jack
Jamar, Mark
Jetta, Neville (R)
Jones, Matt
McKenzie, Jordie
Nicholson, Daniel
Pedersen, Cameron
Spencer, Jake
Strauss, James
Tapscott, Luke
Terlich, Dean
Trengove, Jack
All these players have either shown a huge incompetency in skill, and/or is a list filler, and/or have been at the club too long and shown nothing.
That sir is 17 players. The remainder being comprised of debutants (and some second years), good players, and Jack Watts (I still haven't lost my defence for him). And Jimmy Toumpas, who I'm told by everyone I meet he has potential I am yet to see.
Clark, Mitchell
Clisby, Mitchell
Cross, Daniel
Dawes, Chris
Dunn, Lynden
Fitzpatrick, Jack
Frawley, James
Garland, Colin
Gawn, Max
Georgiou, Alexis (R)
Harmes, James (R)
Hogan, Jesse
Howe, Jeremy
Hunt, Jayden
Jones, Nathan
Kennedy-Harris, Jay
Kent, Dean
King, Max (R)
McDonald, Tom
Michie, Viv
Riley, Aidan
Salem, Christian
Toumpas, Jimmy
Tyson, Dom
Vince, Bernie
Viney, Jack
Watts, Jack
Clark at this stage looks like he may retire altogether, and Frawley will of course go to someone like Hawthorn, as I am sure he is rightly sick of Melbourne. Why would he turn down a chance of winning more than 6 games a season? Hell, a chance at a premiership!
What that leaves, is a mere 8 players that have been exposed to 2 or more seasons of hell. Imagine the mindset and freshness the other 37 would bring!
Quote from: elephants on April 26, 2016, 02:21:13 PM
So has Wagner replaced Matt Jones across halfback? His last two matches have coincided with a quieter one from M.Jones and then him being 'rested'.
Matty Jones has been playing a couple of roles on the half back line and also half forward. He took a big hit last week so is being managed. His form has been pretty good so he could work his way back into the team. It is his running power that gets him a gig. Usually has the highest amount of km clocked up on the GPS for the whole team.
It's happening!
Petracca to debut (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-27/petracca-to-debut)
WHOO! And I love it that he's debuting against St Kilda, a little poetic even if McCartin has been going well for them!
Great picture btw Barra 8)
video of him finding out
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-04-27/petracca-to-make-afl-debut-against-saints
BOY OH BOY WOWEE
GET THE FLOWER AROUND THE BIG MAN
PETRACCA COMING STRAIGHT FOR YOU ST KILDA
Yep.
It's flowering circle jerk time.
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/stuie32/Petracca_zpse6bhw6ug.jpg)
Dunno guys, I'm tempted to temporarily change my Hulk picture to Petracca in the lead up to this game.
But I feel like if I cheat him, he'll cheat me?
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 27, 2016, 08:07:33 PM
Dunno guys, I'm tempted to temporarily change my Hulk picture to Petracca in the lead up to this game.
But I feel like if I cheat him, he'll cheat me?
Hogan = Hulk, Petracca = Petr Acca = Peter Parker = Spider-Man?
Jimmy Munro the best of the non-Dees for Casey. get around him! 8)
Quote from: ossie85 on April 28, 2016, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 27, 2016, 08:07:33 PM
Dunno guys, I'm tempted to temporarily change my Hulk picture to Petracca in the lead up to this game.
But I feel like if I cheat him, he'll cheat me?
Hogan = Hulk, Petracca = Petr Acca = Peter Parker = Spider-Man?
I like your thinking ;)
Unfortunately Petracca is twice the size of him :P
Quote from: Nige on April 28, 2016, 09:56:58 AM
Jimmy Munro the best of the non-Dees for Casey. get around him! 8)
Have heard of this guy from quite some time now, I think we were looking at maybe rookie drafting him last year
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 28, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: Nige on April 28, 2016, 09:56:58 AM
Jimmy Munro the best of the non-Dees for Casey. get around him! 8)
Have heard of this guy from quite some time now, I think we were looking at maybe rookie drafting him last year
Been following his progress since he made the switch from hockey (which he was flowering insane at) because I went to high school with him and his dad is my counsellor. He's been really good at VFL level every year and I've been hoping he gets a chance at AFL level, even if he's rookied.
Welp. That was shower.
But really, we can't expect lows weren't going to happen this year.
Demonland slashing wrists is pathetic lol, win next week then they'll be praising the team again. One even said Petracca is like Toumpas ::)
GG saints, were too good on the day.
Also, Melbourne will win next week.
... Who do we play?
Ugh, I hate that that is a thing.
Trengove had a heavy tag all this game from reports. Still managed 28. :o
Brayshaw copped the footy to the back of the head and didn't play on. He is fine though.
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Interesting that Oliver wasn't in the bests despite having a blinder on the stats sheet
Would have thought he comes straight back in this week
Quote from: Big Mac on May 02, 2016, 01:17:42 PM
Interesting that Oliver wasn't in the bests despite having a blinder on the stats sheet
Would have thought he comes straight back in this week
sounds like a real in and under game, 21 handballs, 16 tackles. hope he comes back in cos he's still sitting on my bench!
16 tackles for Clayton!
I'd say he is a shoe in for this week. Michie has been fairly consistent too, as has Trenners. I watch on with interest at the selection table this week.
Perhaps:
IN: White, Oliver, Garland
OUT: Hunt, Frost, Harmes?
Just anyone that can defend please.
The Llamas could use Trenners back soon in that kind of form 8)
Brayshaw cant seem to take a trick though! But good to see Kennedy playing well at the Dees after such a brilliant junior career! Was hopeful the Crows would nab him back home :-\ Good Glenelg boy after all!
But really, it's all about Maxi and Viney! Fighting it out for the Bluey, Love those boys! 8)
Lol, indeed tbag! 8)
Viv Michie 10 i50s is also a really good stat.
Newton appears to be having some decent games as well since coming back from injury,is he playing mids,forwards or a bit of both do you know?
Quote from: LF on May 02, 2016, 07:21:58 PM
Newton appears to be having some decent games as well since coming back from injury,is he playing mids,forwards or a bit of both do you know?
I've always liked Ben Newton; but apparently he doesn't do exactly what the coaches tell him or something, which doesn't help his case for a game.
Yeah a midfield/forward I believe. I think that was his first or second full game, so credit to him.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-04/salem-brayshaw-ruled-out
Salem and Brayshaw both ruled out for the weekend for you guys
Probably for the best :(
Brayshaw was never a chance to come back in this week anyway. But Salem hurts :-\
As long as Clayton plays, I'm happy 8)
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 04, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Probably for the best :(
Brayshaw was never a chance to come back in this week anyway. But Salem hurts :-\
Over to you Petracca and maybe Trengove? :o
Quote from: tbagrocks on May 04, 2016, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 04, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Probably for the best :(
Brayshaw was never a chance to come back in this week anyway. But Salem hurts :-\
Over to you Petracca and maybe Trengove? :o
Trenners apparently hasn't even been considered :o we're taking the ultra ultra cautious approach.
But hey, good opportunity for ANB perhaps.
Quote from: GoLions on May 04, 2016, 07:01:39 PM
As long as Clayton plays, I'm happy 8)
Lock him in GL 8)
For thos asking about Trenners...
MELBOURNE midfielder Jack Trengove is edging closer to an AFL return after two years in the football wilderness.
Trengove, the second pick in the 2009 draft, hasn't featured at senior level for the Demons since round two of the 2014 season due to a chronic foot injury.
But after two operations to fix career-threatening bone fractures, the 24-year-old has strung together four games at VFL level this season.
Coach Paul Roos is heartened by Trengove's progress and said the next step is up to the former club co-captain.
"I had a chat to him last week and told that I'd purposely left him alone ... it's almost a case of him coming to us when he feels like he's comfortable and saying that he really wants to put his hand up for senior selection," Roos said.
"He's said that he's loving being back out there and I said to come and knock on my door when he thinks he's ready.
"Then (we'll talk about) what he really needs to work on to play AFL as opposed to just letting him play (VFL) and enjoy it.
"(But) it's a credit to him the way he's been playing."
After being knocked out early in his first VFL game of the year, Trengove has been named in Casey's best players for the past three weeks.
But Roos will continue to take a conservative approach with the talented onballer, who along with ruckman Max Gawn, are the only players still at the club from the 2009 draft.
The coach's more immediate concerns are planning for a rare trip to the Gold Coast to take on the Suns at Metricon Stadium on Saturday night.
Roos is demanding a more balanced approach from his side after they lost a shootout to St Kilda last weekend.
"Having opened up our scoring sometimes it opens up our defence," he said.
"I think we've spoken about balance here a lot, trying to get the balance right, and on the weekend we were still able to score and put pressure on but defensively we were really poor."
Melbourne and Gold Coast sit just outside the top eight with 3-3 win-loss records this season, but the Suns are coming off a 120-point mauling at the hands of Geelong.
Thought this was interesting
HOTA numbers:
1. Gawn: 113
2. Nic Nat: 74
That would be his advantage over Goldstein (assuming he keeps it up) when it comes to deciding All-Australian selection.
I still can't believe his rise to dominance. This time last year, he was out of contract coming to the end of the year and trying to prove his worth at Casey. I think I even thought that he might get delisted at the end of the year :-X
Now, he is arguably our most important player really.
VFL game just finished.
We won REALLY well. I mean, you could just take Weideman's score and it would have been enough :-X
Weideman 4.0.24 to the Northern Blues 2.6.18
Newton had a blinder
38 disposals 8)
Picked the worst week to do it though ahah
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-10/viney-remains-a-demon-until-2020
Legend. In the same sentence as Jones as the spiritual leader at Melbourne.
Gee, I tell ya what the media are atrocious.
It's got to the point already when Hogan makes a trip to perth to see his family, and it's pumped up by the media that it was to meet with Fremantle to discuss his next contract ::)
I feel angry for him. This contract talk so far out from his contract expiration is UNPRECEDENTED
You just feel like it will be an ever growing distraction for him :-\
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 11, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Gee, I tell ya what the media are atrocious.
It's got to the point already when Hogan makes a trip to perth to see his family, and it's pumped up by the media that it was to meet with Fremantle to discuss his next contract ::)
I feel angry for him. This contract talk so far out from his contract expiration is UNPRECEDENTED
You just feel like it will be an ever growing distraction for him :-\
Didn't Buddy speak to Sydney a full year before he left? >:D
Haha just stirring mate :P
Quote from: Ricochet on May 12, 2016, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 11, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Gee, I tell ya what the media are atrocious.
It's got to the point already when Hogan makes a trip to perth to see his family, and it's pumped up by the media that it was to meet with Fremantle to discuss his next contract ::)
I feel angry for him. This contract talk so far out from his contract expiration is UNPRECEDENTED
You just feel like it will be an ever growing distraction for him :-\
Didn't Buddy speak to Sydney a full year before he left? >:D
Haha just stirring mate :P
Phwoah Ric, I'll have you!
:P
Still in shock over Big Mac getting rid of Petracca in UT.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-12/spencer-secures-new-deal (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-12/spencer-secures-new-deal)
Looks like after the Viney deal it could be the start of a few others doing the same.
Promising.
Huh. Well there you go!
We definitely need Spencer if we don't go to the trade table... and really, he does OK at AFL. He's a nice 2nd ruck to have tbh.
Quote from: GoLions on May 12, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
Still in shock over Big Mac getting rid of Petracca in UT.
I figured I'd do it now before I got too attached :P
Quote from: Barra13 on May 12, 2016, 01:35:59 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-12/spencer-secures-new-deal (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-12/spencer-secures-new-deal)
Looks like after the Viney deal it could be the start of a few others doing the same.
Promising.
Gawn is so much better than him it's ridiculous. We need him though. Good signing
Quote from: Big Mac on May 12, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
Gawn is so much better than him it's ridiculous. We need him though. Good signing
tbh Gawn is so much better than everyone. :P
Quote from: Nige on May 12, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on May 12, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
Gawn is so much better than him it's ridiculous. We need him though. Good signing
tbh Gawn is so much better than everyone. :P
I'm just waiting for Holz at this stage :P
You boys are in the 8!! :o
Quote from: GoLions on May 14, 2016, 12:16:54 AM
You boys are in the 8!! :o
OMG we are too!
It took me a few seconds to process :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 14, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 14, 2016, 12:16:54 AM
You boys are in the 8!! :o
OMG we are too!
It took me a few seconds to process :P
I can't get excited about it because the round's still going
If we beat the bullies though.... ;D
You boys are seriously going along unnoticed
A kick within beating North
Beat GWS
Flogged GC, Pies, Richmond
If you hadn't have dropped Essendon you would be 5-2 :o
Need to give WB a good run for their money this weekend
Gawn and Viney, the new Sandi and Fyfe!
Some concerns early in the VFL game about Brayshaw :-\
If it's another concussion... you'd almost put him on ice for the year :-\
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 14, 2016, 03:57:40 PM
Some concerns early in the VFL game about Brayshaw :-\
If it's another concussion... you'd almost put him on ice for the year :-\
2nd year blues hitting him real hard, and it's not even his fault
Is that 3 concussions now?
Casey another win on the board though and this time it was ANB with the leather poisoning, 39 touches
RIVAL clubs are circling Melbourne free agent Neville Jetta as he hits career-best form as a small defender.
Out of contract at season's end, the 26-year-old has cemented himself in a role that many other clubs lack, with the number of dangerous small forwards in the competition increasing at a rapid rate.
Jetta is averaging 15 disposals and 3.8 tackles a game this season and has locked down the defensive role with a string of solid performances.
Entering the prime years of his career after 81 games and eight seasons, the unrestricted free agent has claimed some big scalps in the past two seasons, keeping Adelaide's Eddie Betts and Port Adelaide's Chad Wingard goalless last season.
He has also done good jobs on Collingwood's Alex Fasolo, Richmond's Sam Lloyd and Gold Coast's Jack Martin in the past month.
Jetta has played every game this year and become more attacking as he develops a lateral step and the confidence to run and create.
It has been a remarkable resurgence for the West Australian-raised Jetta, who was put on the rookie list for the 2014 season and forced to work his way back into the senior team.
He won praise on Sunday from coach Paul Roos after the club's loss to the Western Bulldogs for the progress he has made in the past 12 months.
"He's always been a good defensive player," Roos said.
"Something we've worked really hard on is offence and it is starting to come together.
"Nev [Jetta] is really starting to worry the opposition with his step and his ability to get out into space and change direction for us but it is a work in progress and something we need to keep working on."
The Demons have announced the re-signing of several youngsters in recent weeks but Jetta is one of three free agents out of contract at the end of the season with Jack Watts and Jack Grimes also able to explore options elsewhere if they choose.
Melbourne announced last week they had signed another unrestricted free agent in Jake Spencer as a back-up ruckman to Max Gawn and locked in midfielder Jack Viney for four years.
Thats interesting. I suspect he will sign on very soon but if he's interested in coming home I'd be disappointed with the Eagles didn't make an offer. I rate him.
Nev Jetta is a gun 8)
I expect him to stay, but its good he is getting outsider recognition :)
Oliver signed until the end of 2019 8)
http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-19/oliver-signs-contract-extension (http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-19/oliver-signs-contract-extension)
Anyone know what's going on with Matt Jones?
Quote from: Big Mac on May 25, 2016, 12:22:19 PM
Anyone know what's going on with Matt Jones?
A real enigma that one.
I've heard very little, but I think it was a mis-diagnosed soreness that was a bit more serious than first thought. I heard "rib" at one stage, but I dunno.
Would kinda like him back in the team tbh. He's probably ahead of Michie.
AFL injury list says he is 2 weeks away
Absolute trading steal.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-26/garlett-the-latest-to-sign-new-deal
Keep up the amazing work Jeffrey! One of the best small forwards in the business
Hearing that TMac has signed a 4 year deal and will be announced later today.
Quote from: Barra13 on May 27, 2016, 01:30:53 PM
Hearing that TMac has signed a 4 year deal and will be announced later today.
OH!
Please be true!
Sure he has his flaws, but he is SO vital to our team.
I don't get how some demonlanders think he is expendable.
He'll play much better with Hurley in the team ;)
flowering god dammit Viney...
Apparently a broken knuckle to show for his troubles...
Yep the suspension is really a moot point as he is out for 4 with surgery to his knuckle from an incident in the first quarter (not the melee action against Ebert).
Unless you went in on him for the Brownlow.
According to Triple M, Trenners will play this week.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 01, 2016, 01:48:04 PM
According to Triple M, Trenners will play this week.
Very good news story, hope he goes well!
I'd like to see Grimes and Trenners get the call up, just like old times, but in a better era.
Football's forgotten man is on the verge of a stunning revival.
Melbourne coach Paul Roos confirmed on Wednesday that midfielder Jack Trengove - who hasn't played for more than two years - is in the mix to make his AFL return this weekend.
The former co-captain has been battling a chronic foot problem that began with a fracture in his navicular bone.
Trengove has been averaging 24 disposals and seven tackles in the VFL, and Roos has confirmed he's in the mix but no guarantee to take on Hawthorn on Saturday.
"He's getting close, there's no doubt," Roos said.
"His form's been really, really good but we need to look at the team. Obviously we've got Viney out and Garland out as well, so we need to look at the team and where we want to put players."
Jack Viney's injury and suspension surely opens the door for Trengove, which would be a like-for-like swap in the Demons midfield.
A lot has happened since Trengove last played at AFL level in round 2, 2014.
Trengove had played in just two wins in his last 24 matches. Since then, the Demons have begun to turn things around with seven wins in 2015 and five wins from ten rounds this season, giving them every chance to play finals football.
"I don't want to build it up too much and then not pick him, so I've got to be a bit careful," Roos said.
"It will be big for the club, it will be big for Jack and it will be big for everyone. Jack understands where he's at and understands he's really close, but he's not panicking."
Roos said Trengove is likely to be one of five or six that will be considered to come into the side from the VFL, who had a bye last week.
The 24-year-old has averaged 19 disposals in his 81 senior games and, before injuring his foot, was seen as one of the Demons' most promising players during a difficult time for the club.
Trengove looked set for a move to Punt road at the end of 2014 before failing a medical, which blocked the move.
The proposed trade would have seen Melbourne part ways with Trengove and pick 23 and receive pick 12 in return, which the Tigers eventually used on Corey Ellis.
"Clearly he would want to play now and I've spoken to him about that. He's really in the mix of getting picked, which I think is a fantastic effort for him and where he's come from to do it so quickly," Roos said.
LUCKLESS Melbourne midfielder Jack Trengove is in line to play his first AFL game in over two years when the Demons take on Hawthorn this weekend.
Chronic foot stress fractures have kept Trengove sidelined since Round 2 of the 2014 season but coach Paul Roos says the former club co-captain has put his hand up to make a long-awaited return with a string of good performances in the VFL.
“He’s getting close, there’s no doubt. His form’s been really, really good,†Roos said on Wednesday.
“I don’t want to build it up too much then not pick him, so we’ve got to be a bit careful, but it will be big for the club, it will be big for Jack, it will be big for everyone (when he plays). “Jack understands where he’s at. He understands he’s close, but he’s not panicking.
“Clearly he would want to play now, as we’ve spoken about, so he’s really in the mix of getting picked, which I think is a fantastic effort from him given where he’s come from.â€
Trengove’s rapid rise into AFL calculations has surprised Roos, the coach admitting the 24-year-old was about five weeks ahead of schedule.
Trengove, the second overall pick at the 2009 draft, appears an obvious replacement for injured midfielder Jack Viney, who will miss up to a month after undergoing surgery on a broken knuckle suffered in last week’s loss to Port Adelaide in Alice Springs.
Jack Trengove is in the mix to play his first AFL game since Round 2, 2014 on Saturday. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
The combative onballer also accepted a one-week ban for striking Port’s Brad Ebert in an ugly incident.
Roos wants his players to have a hard edge and, while he agreed Viney had crossed the line in this instance, he won’t ask him to rein in his aggression.
“If it becomes a pattern then you tend to sit down and have a chat to him,†he said.
“He would know that he’s disappointed with himself and he shouldn’t have done it, so if that’s the case you tend to leave them alone but when it becomes a pattern that’s when, as a coach, you tend to step in.â€
Roos will look at five or six players he said were in the mix for AFL call-ups against the Hawks, with Chris Dawes, Clayton Oliver and Lynden Dunn all in contention.
Heritier Lumumba isn’t one of those players but Roos said the veteran defender has made considerable progress in his recovery from a concussion suffered in round six.
That would arguably be the highlight of my season if Trengove made the senior team :D
http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-06-02/trengove-makes-longawaited-return (http://m.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-06-02/trengove-makes-longawaited-return)
He's in!
Great news
You bloody rippa!
Love it so much, I even changed my pic (temporarily) :o :o :o
Stoked for Trenners that he can finally make it back out on the park, and stoked for you Dees supporters that you can finally see him back in action. All the best to him in his return!
This is what footy is all about, love this shower. Hope he gets through and plays out the rest of the year
From the AFL tonight:
8. Dom Tyson's star is on the rise
For a player who finished second in his club's best and fairest two years ago, Tyson's potential has probably been underrated outside Olympic Park. But as Melbourne rises so does recognition for Tyson, who took it up to Hawthorn's premiership onballers on Saturday and emerged as the best player on the ground. The 22-year-old, who suffered a medial injury this time last year and battled for the rest of the season, was the instigator of Melbourne's fightback, racking up 12 possessions (eight contested), four inside 50s and a goal in the second quarter alone, to finish with 32 possessions and nine clearances. His Demons ultimately fell short, but Tyson, who was part of the trade with Greater Western Sydney that landed the Giants Josh Kelly, reminded the competition of his class. - Nathan Schmook
Obviously don't watch many Melbourne games aye Purps? ;)
Thought he was fantastic on the weekend though!
Tyson is a gun 8) Knew he would come good
Also Ben Kennedy had 30 and 3 in the VFL today, safe to say he probably comes back in this week
Tyson proved me wrong :P but his start to the year was really average IMO (and last week against port). Very, very happy that he is starting to continue and improve on his 2014 season :D
Was reading through a Chris Dawes thread on Demonland discussing why he can't play ruck, and this really made me chuckle:
QuoteHe can't say he doesn't have good ball slapping skills
QuoteJust tell him to catch the ball and WHANGGGGG ... the ball will ricochet off his hands every time.
QuoteYou know he won't ever get caught for grabbing the ball out of the ruck. He may even get some frees for holding the man as he will not ever be in control of the ball.
I just knew Viney might get up for the QB clash! I just knew it!
I am Jack. I feel no pain. (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons/jack-viney-a-chance-to-return-from-injury-in-melbournes-queens-birthday-clash-against-collingwood/news-story/7a1a1cf3a0e68d8cea51386699613343)
Viney's the kind of bloke to play on a broken leg so this doesn't surprise me.
Some admin named Purple told me to post these here:
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Purple you may need to set the scene for the first one but the second one is pretty self explanatory. Petracca hits em with the Petraccattack!
hahaha omg that Petracca one...
These are amazing!
Lol, I was going on another "I want Hogan" tangent, but saying I was after another Demon in Worlds. Levi reckons I'm after Bernie Vince...
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 12, 2016, 11:06:19 AM
These are amazing!
Lol, I was going on another "I want Hogan" tangent, but saying I was after another Demon in Worlds. Levi reckonsKNOWS I'm after Bernie Vince...
Fixed it for you Purple ;)
Spencer had 82 hitouts in the VFL this week. Crazy. Not for much effort though.
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82 hitouts! Wow!
And I also think Matt Jones should be in our best 22 if early season form was anything to go by. He'd probably take out someone like Hunt though.
I have that sort of Hawthorn feeling with Melbourne now that if someone gets injured/dropped, that they can come in and do just as good of a job that the person before them has.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 13, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
I have that sort of Hawthorn feeling with Melbourne now that if someone gets injured/dropped, that they can come in and do just as good of a job that the person before them has.
Likewise. It's really nice that we have depth :D
I'd say we have depth everywhere except tall defenders... I'd really like TMac to get a permanent chop out as a second defender, where he played his best football last year. I mean, the number 1 defender doesn't even have to be that good; I loved Dunn, but he provided that "general" down back which really benefits TMac's game.
I'm actually kinda interested in getting Nathan Brown as a free agent... assuming the likely scenario where we don't get Hurley.
AFL
AFL†@AFL
.@melbournefc’s Jay Kennedy-Harris has injured his hamstring for the third time this season.
Quote from: LF on June 17, 2016, 05:46:48 PM
AFL
AFL†@AFL
.@melbournefc’s Jay Kennedy-Harris has injured his hamstring for the third time this season.
:(
Does he get delisted EOS Barra, Mac?
Or do we give him a courtesy contract for another year?
Or do we rookie him?
Not entirely his fault, but will be delisted I think :-\
Even if he was fit, he doesn't really have a place/role in the 22 does he?
Bit unfortunate for him.
Quote from: Nige on June 18, 2016, 12:55:56 PM
Even if he was fit, he doesn't really have a place/role in the 22 does he?
Bit unfortunate for him.
Yeah. Jeffy, BenKen, Kent, Harmes and Petracca are all ahead of him as the small forwards/wing role.
He'd have to do a Nev Jetta and become a small defender IMO
He's a got a good head on his shoulders though, so you never know.
One of the 4 I wanted to see re-sign :D
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-01/melbourne-defender-neville-jetta-resigns
Only Jesse, Watts and TMac to go
Tell ya what, Jayden Hunt has come from nowhere to be someone you can get excited about!
Quote from: My Chumps on July 03, 2016, 05:24:20 PM
Tell ya what, Jayden Hunt has come from nowhere to be someone you can get excited about!
Phwoah, I legitimately love his 10 disposals per game, and I mean that sincerely!
Quote from: My Chumps on July 03, 2016, 05:24:20 PM
Tell ya what, Jayden Hunt has come from nowhere to be someone you can get excited about!
Love watching him take it on 8)
were u guys surprised Trenners was omitted? i'm thinking just managing players
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 03, 2016, 06:26:04 PM
were u guys surprised Trenners was omitted? i'm thinking just managing players
Oliver probably comes back in before him which could see him get another game in the VFL. The issue is obviously his pace/agility, no surprise really although I figured Roos would play him off half back or as a marking half forward to counter this somewhat.
How good has Matty Jones been this season!? :o
Quote from: Barra13 on July 04, 2016, 11:04:24 AM
How good has Matty Jones been this season!? :o
I think he has had a much improved season, definitely!
But that mistake is still fresh in the mind...
Haha I knew that would get brought up. Without that, it was a good game by him I thought.
VFL STATS
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Amazing that Michie had 9 inside 50s but couldn't lay a single tackle
He'll be one to go at end of year surely, probably joining Grimes Newton Terls and maybe Maxy King from that list
Also anyone know how long Dunn has on his contract? Probably keep him as depth either way but just curious
Quote from: Big Mac on July 05, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
Amazing that Michie had 9 inside 50s but couldn't lay a single tackle
He'll be one to go at end of year surely, probably joining Grimes Newton Terls and maybe Maxy King from that list
Also anyone know how long Dunn has on his contract? Probably keep him as depth either way but just curious
Dunn is definitely contracted for next year... then I think that's it.
Garland doesn't come out until the end of 2018 either :-X
I'm disappointed about Newton, I really thought he had an upside. But... he just hasn't been improving like I wanted him to, and is leaving his name open to be delisted.
Definitely Terlich is delisted. I'd also say Grimes, Newton, Max King, Michie, JKH,.... MAYBE Matt Jones, but I think he's saved his career for now. Dawes is also a big chance to be "told to retire", and I expect Pedersen to be given another contract.
2016: Dawes, Trengove, Newton, T McDonald, O McDonald, Garlett, Pedersen, Kent, M Jones, Terlich
Restricted: Watts, Grimes
Unrestricted: Jetta
Rookies: Max King, Wagner, Smith, White, Michie
2017: Dunn, Hogan, Salem, Lumumba, Kennedy-Harris, Kennedy, Frost, Spencer, Mitch King, vandenBerg, Weideman, Hulett, Tyson, Stretch, Neal-Bullen
2018: Vince, Petracca, Gawn, Garland, Brayshaw, Hunt, Harmes, Bugg
2019: N Jones, Melksham, Oliver
2020: Viney
Garlett signed a contract extension earlier in the year, and Jetta signed on just the other day, but other than that that list seems right.
IMO, this is what I think WILL happen, not necessarily what I WANT to happen
Dawes - 1 year contract
Trengove - 1 year contract
Newton - delisted
T Mac - long term contract
O Mac - long term contract
Pedersen - 1 year contract
Kent - I just got a feeling he'll ask for a trade... just a gut feeling
M Jones - 1 year contract
Terlich - delisted
Watts - long term contract :D
Grimes - delisted/free agent
Max King - delisted
Wagner - 2 year contract
Joel Smith - another rookie year
White - another rookie year
Michie - delisted
Am I immature for laughing at this?
Please tell me its obvious though? Come on?!
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;D
Thoughts on Hibberd Melbourne trust?
I reckon he'd be a great get, but I question our NEED for another half-back. Still, can't have enough good players.
I still hold out just a LITTLE bit of hope we are luring Hurley quietly behind the scenes :-X
GREAT NEWS
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-15/speedy-demon-dean-kent-inks-new-deal-at-the-club
Not sure what's better; him re-signing, or that he is the best mate of a certain someone...
anyone able to give a summary of sunday's game? was overseas
also keen to know how White played
My take:
Eerily similar to our last encounter, except we kept Riewoldt somewhat subdued.
We were great in the first quarter; couldn't really fault it tbh.
Then, we were absolutely dreadful (with the help of St Kilda's immense pressure). We couldn't get a clean possession all quarter, and struggled to make any meaningful forward entries.
This continued in the third, but St Kilda didn't capitalise on their early dominance, and we were able to FINALLY get a few goals with a good patch towards the end of the quarter. Luckily Membrey missed a shot at 3QT, as that would have made for an embarrassing team error. Gawn but particular Viney stood up exceptionally. You could SEE Viney's leadership... god he's a gun.
But noop, our fourth quarter was just... bad. St Kilda applied great pressure from the second quarter onwards though, but I hate how it was the second time we made Tim Membrey look good.
TMac continued his good form IMO, Viney was our best, Gawn's couple of goals levelled him with Hickey, otherwise Hickey had more influence.
Mitch White... yeah. He didn't look like anything special IMO, and he could get dropped.
thanks man :)
I was furious when i checked at 3QT and saw Membrey had 4
seems like Brayshaw also had a decent return
Yeah Brayshaw was steady throughout, he earns another game IMO.
Petracca was exceptional early, but faded a tad. That was their first game together! Crazy.
interesting that caleb, mills and parish have overtaken tracca in the rising star markets
honestly I can't really see him losing after the hype about him
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 20, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
Yeah Brayshaw was steady throughout, he earns another game IMO.
Petracca was exceptional early, but faded a tad. That was their first game together! Crazy.
Yeah, we all saw the tweets :P
Quote from: GoLions on July 20, 2016, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 20, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
Yeah Brayshaw was steady throughout, he earns another game IMO.
Petracca was exceptional early, but faded a tad. That was their first game together! Crazy.
Yeah, we all saw the tweets :P
Max Gawn being straight up savage :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 20, 2016, 08:47:32 PM
but I hate how it was the second time we made Tim Membrey look good.
don't feel too bad, he's one of the form forwards in the comp! love him. usually a pretty reliable kick but is prone to missing the odd sitter
Any chance for a Jack Trengrove inclusion this week?
Quote from: GM on July 21, 2016, 02:06:24 PM
Any chance for a Jack Trengrove inclusion this week?
Nah don't think so, just the 22 possies in the VFL and apparently made some poor errors when as a senior player in a tight game he really needed to stand up
Quote from: Big Mac on July 21, 2016, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: GM on July 21, 2016, 02:06:24 PM
Any chance for a Jack Trengrove inclusion this week?
Nah don't think so, just the 22 possies in the VFL and apparently made some poor errors when as a senior player in a tight game he really needed to stand up
Cheers BM , disappointing for fantasy reasons. Didn't expect this after his first game this year.
Oh, and good on ya Wattsy 8)
That 5 or so year (I criticised you early in your career, I'm sorry :'() streak of me defending you is over :) so happy to see you proving the haters wrong 8)
#BRINGBACKTERLS! ::)
A sandy player bit Oliver: "you ******* dog campaigner, you bit me", Saunders got involved, and said to Oliver "what are you gonna do? knock him out on field?", Oliver just looked at him and said "yes". ;D But, then a free and a 50 was given against Oliver for remonstrating. Complete BS.
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Good on Oliver! ;D ;D
What BS though.
I WANT PEDO BACK!
Bugg and Kennedy both flew over to Perth as emergencies. When Roosy realised they weren't needed, they both flew back for the VFL. Good effort to rack up the way they did.
The Weed has slowed down a bit :(
Good win in the VFL again.
Oliver's been going well... but I can see the upside of not letting him play at AFL again this year...
... because he's played 10 games already, he's still eligible for Rising Star next year! But play one more game and he won't be :-X
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 31, 2016, 11:55:29 AM
Good win in the VFL again.
Oliver's been going well... but I can see the upside of not letting him play at AFL again this year...
... because he's played 10 games already, he's still eligible for Rising Star next year! But play one more game and he won't be :-X
Im sure that will have 0 bearing on possible selections haha
I'm a *Jack Watts* away from deleting every single post I've ever made in this section.
Melbourne is disgusting garbage.
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Looks like some players there might need a call up this weekend for you guys
Quote from: LF on August 01, 2016, 06:01:58 PM
Looks like some players there might need a call up this weekend for you guys
Would be keen to see Weideman get a run, maybe not against the Hawks though
PLEASE drop Dawes for Pedersen
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 01, 2016, 06:30:34 PM
PLEASE drop Dawes for Pedersen
I honestly just can't see him getting dropped, probably a better chance of hogan missing if his knee is no good
Quote from: Big Mac on August 01, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 01, 2016, 06:30:34 PM
PLEASE drop Dawes for Pedersen
I honestly just can't see him getting dropped, probably a better chance of hogan missing if his knee is no good
Roos' favourites are beginning to annoy me >:( Vandenberg included, but he has earned at least a temporary reprieve.
Take it with a grain of salt, but a "reliable" Demonlander whose been "known" to have good sources, has said:
Quote
Confirmed: Hogan has informed our club he intends to re-sign. Contract negotiations have begun and will probably be completed this year but could take up to 6 months.
Even if BS, my life just improved a little.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-04/where-theres-a-weid-theres-a-way-young-demon-to-debut
SAM Weideman is set to make his debut for Melbourne against Hawthorn on Saturday after being told of his inclusion on Thursday morning.
Ah... Hogan is almost certainly not playing this week then :P
THE WEED!
... is clearly not ready to play AFL IMO, but hey, neither is OMac I guess and he's playin :-X
YES! THIS IS AMAZING!
First time Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver & Weideman play in the same team :D
All that's missing is Salem, and you'd have all of the first rounders we got under Roos :o
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2016 Peter Jackson VFL
Saturday, August 6, 7pm, Casey Fields
Casey Scorpions 20.9 (129) d Essendon 6.7 (43)
From the coach …
“It was probably our most complete performance for 2016. We were able to sustain a level of performance, a level of effort and a level of playing our way for four quarters. We got some pretty good results individually and as a team. I really pleased for the players. Our first quarter set the game up and we put a lot of pressure on the opposition and created some real scoring opportunities. We went into the first break four goals up and had a lot of the ball inside our forward 50. We were able to set up behind the ball really well and the players were able to play their role accordingly. The players came with the right attitude and mindset, and they executed it really well. We’ve got another opponent this week and we’re not looking too far ahead. We’re continuing to challenge our Melbourne-listed players to push for the AFL team and our Casey-listed players to keep playing at a high standard, so they can remain in the VFL team. There is a lot of accountability around the place at the moment and they seem to be taking on that challenge really well.†â€" Justin Plapp
Lynden Dunn: Dunny had 15 possessions, six marks, four rebound 50s and four tackles. He was a real rock for us in our back six on Saturday night. Lynden was able to control that area of the ground through his leadership and his ability to halve some really good contests in the air. He was also a really good link for us coming out of our defensive 50. But Dunny continues to impress with his leadership and buying into our alignment. He’s heading in the right direction.
Colin Garland: Col had 17 possessions, four marks, with four intercepts and four tackles. He was a really good contributor on the night. Some of his defensive acts to close out and halve one-on-one contests were as good as I’ve seen at VFL level, during the time he’s spent with us. He was able to use the ball really well and create some forward entries for us. Col has put together two solid games together and he’s another player who continues to push for AFL selection. We were delighted with his effort on Saturday night.
Jack Grimes: Jack had 34 disposals, 24 uncontested possessions, three clearances and kicked one goal. He continues to play at a really high level in the VFL. His past three weeks, in particular, since coming back from the AFL, have been outstanding. His work around the ball, his leadership and his will to win critical contests were again a highlight on Saturday night. He continues to push himself up for AFL selection.
Liam Hulett: He had 11 disposals, five marks, three inside 50s and kicked 3.2. It was a good game from Liam. He was instrumental in the first quarter and was very lively. He competed, attacked the ball strongly and took some strong contested marks. I really liked Liam’s game and he continues to bring a lot of effort and energy in the way he attacks the football. He’s gets better each week.
Matt Jones: Matty had 31 disposals, including 25 uncontested possessions, and he had six inside 50s. Jonesy came back from the AFL side and presented himself in a really good manner. He played with a lot of speed and played on the wing. Matty was able to provide a really good link from defence to attack for us. He was able to use the ball really well and he was able to gain a lot of metres, through his ability to cover a lot of the ground with his legs. His game was very good.
Ben Kennedy: Benny had 27 possessions, including 10 contested, seven inside 50s and had four tackles. He was pretty busy on the weekend. Like a lot of our other mid to high half-forward players, he was able to win a lot of ball and a lot of that was due to being around the contest a lot. He really showed some speed and was really intent to crack in and get the ball on the outside. Some kicking decisions let him down on the night, but his effort to compete and play the role that we needed him to play was exactly where we needed him to be.
Jay Kennedy-Harris: He had 24 disposals, seven marks, four tackles and kicked four goals. I was delighted with Jay on the weekend. He’s had a really frustrating year through soft-tissue injuries, and touch wood, we’re past that. Jay played with a lot of speed and he seemed to be covering the ground really well. He competed and was able to provide us with some real energy in our forward half. For him, each week is a bonus and our expectations are that he’ll only get better and improve week-by-week. It was a very, very good performance by Jay.
Viv Michie: Viv had 33 disposals, 24 uncontested possessions, nine inside 50s and five tackles. It was another dominant game from Viv. He continues to be a real barometre for us around the ground. His creativity and ability to bring other players into the game, with his hands and feet, was again critical. Viv’s had a fantastic year in the VFL and continues to push to play in the AFL.
Alex Neal-Bullen: He had 37 possessions, five clearances, eight tackles and kicked a goal. Alex was another prolific ball-winner for us on the night. We’ve played Alex through a number of different positions at the moment for his education and he’s really taken those challenges head-on. He’s a real ball-winner for us and he was a player who won critical contests for us on Saturday night. Alex used his hands and created a lot of contested possessions into uncontested chains. The challenge for Nibbler is to try and develop some of his conversion â€" he missed a couple of shots. But he continues to impress and has had an outstanding year at VFL level.
Christian Salem: Christian had 23 disposals, five clearances and kicked two goals. It was his third game back, after seven matches off, and he really showed some promising signs. He played with a lot more speed, was able to impact the contest and he was able to use the ball really well at critical contests. Christian was back to the level that we know he can get to and he’s heading in the right direction.
Joel Smith: He had 21 possessions, four rebound 50s and four tackles. I seem to say this most weeks about this kid, but he just gets better and better, and continues to impress. His attack on the ball was fantastic and he really takes the opposition on, when he wins the ball. Joel plays with real speed and courage, and Saturday night was another reflection of how he’s been the past few weeks. The expectations are that he will continue to improve week-by-week now, as he continues to build game-time and plays more football. He’s certainly playing with a smile on his face and he’s playing with a lot of energy, which we really value.
Dean Terlich: Dean had 16 possessions, three inside 50s, five tackles and kicked one goal. It was a little bit of a quieter week for Dean. He squandered some opportunities, after getting himself into some really good positions, particularly at the drop of ball inside our forward 50. He just wasn’t able to finish off a couple of opportunities. Dean continues to value the defensive side of his game, and he was one of the guys instrumental in the first quarter through his defensive pressure and ability to put the opposition under some heat.
Jack Trengove: Jack had 32 disposals, including 14 contested possessions, six clearances and 14 tackles. He continues to be a real bull around the contest and at stoppages. One particular contest really stuck in my mind, where he had to show a really good effort to get back in and help our defenders. He was able to courageously go back with the flight of the ball and halve a contest. It really helped us save a certain goal â€" and that sums Jack up. He plays for the team. Jack certainly puts his body on the line and he continues to maintain a really high level of football in the VFL.
Mitch White: He had 21 possessions, eight marks, including two intercepts, and kicked 1.1. Mitch came back from a week off â€" he was given a rest â€" after a couple of big weeks. He certainly played fresh and seemed to cover the ground a lot better. Mitch played with a lot more speed and we thought his defensive positioning behind the ball and ability to close out critical one-on-one contests was good. He was another player that created a link for us out of our defensive 50 to our forward half.
AFL Victoria Development League
Saturday, August 6, 11am, IKON Park
Casey Scorpions 11.9 (75) d Northern Blues 4.8 (32)
Max King: Kingy had 15 disposals, five marks, six inside 50s, two tackles and kicked three goals. It’s a bit of a challenging time for him, as he missed out on the VFL side. So the challenge for him over the past few weeks is to build some form and build some confidence around playing development football. We thought on the weekend that he made some big steps forward. He competed for longer and competed like we know he can. His game was clearly a lot better than it has been in previous weeks. He got his hands on the ball and was probably unlucky not to get on the end of a few more goals. Kingy is really clear about where he’s tracking and where he needs to keep improving. I thought the weekend was a step forward for him.
Good to see JKH do a performance like that.
It's great having depth these days btw
The McDonald bros have both signed on until the end of 2018
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 10, 2016, 08:05:06 PM
Good to see JKH do a performance like that.
It's great having depth these days btw
Should take out the premiership with our current side
Depends if they send any players off for surgery
Quote from: meow meow on August 10, 2016, 09:13:59 PM
The McDonald bros have both signed on until the end of 2018
HUGE signing for us! Absolutely stoked :D
Quote from: Big Mac on August 10, 2016, 09:27:43 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 10, 2016, 08:05:06 PM
Good to see JKH do a performance like that.
It's great having depth these days btw
Should take out the premiership with our current side
Depends if they send any players off for surgery
I really do hope we treat Casey well at the VFL and push for a premiership. It'd be a great thing for our club culture as well IMO. A VFL premiership would do wonders for team morale, which could last years.
Quote from: meow meow on August 10, 2016, 09:13:59 PM
The McDonald bros have both signed on until the end of 2018
what a great pick up in Omac.
I guess Tmac is somewhat important too.
Alrgithy, with the Big & Junior Mac secured, our out of contract players remaining are:
Dawes
Trengove
Newton
Pederson
M Jones
Terlich
Grimes (RFA)
# Max King
# Wagner
# Smith
# White
# Michie
I'd delist:
Dawes
Terlich
Grimes (RFA)
Newton (although I rate)
# Max King
# Michie (although I rate)
I'd give senior contracts to:
Trengove
Pederson
M Jones
Wagner
Retain on rookie list
# Smith
# White
If we get Hibberd, that means we have to fill up three senior spots via the draft. Seeing as it will probs be our 3rd, 4th and 5th rounders, I say upgrade Wagner with 5th, and just draft whoever we want with the other two at this stage.
Can white still be retained for another year? Have a feeling he might be upgraded either way...
Quote from: Big Mac on August 11, 2016, 10:22:34 PM
Can white still be retained for another year? Have a feeling he might be upgraded either way...
I may be wrong, but is this his 2nd year on rookie list? If so, you can have them for 3 years. Max King has been on it for 3 years, so he's definitely screwed.
Casey Scorpions 5.8.38 9.16.70 16.20.116 21.25.151
Werribee Tigers 4.1.25 5.4.34 6.4.40 7.4.46
Goals
Casey Scorpions Baker Dawes Kennedy-Harris 3 Neal-Bullen Salem White 2 Ferreira Grimes Kennedy Munro Spencer Trengove
Werribee Durdin McKay Mountford 2 Jacobs
Best
Casey Scorpions Trengove Michie Grimes M Jones Kennedy-Harris Neal-Bullen
Werribee Hanson Gribble McFarlane Tippett Nielson Hibberd
Disposals M Jones 42 Grimes 41 Neal-Bullen 37 Michie 35 Trengove 30 White 29 Kennedy 27 Kennedy-Harris 26
VFL side is dominating and the AFL side isn't doing too bad either
Finishing off the year strongly so far
I don't think I've ever felt this good about Melbourne in my life.
I'm not kidding.
Brother of Collingwood player Brayden Maynard, Corey, just signed with the dees
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-signs-former-australian-under23-basketballer-amid-stiff-competition/news-story/858538726fb24fe452a1ed101cce2269 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-signs-former-australian-under23-basketballer-amid-stiff-competition/news-story/858538726fb24fe452a1ed101cce2269)
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Max Gawn is the only ruckman named in the AA-squad :P
Yay Gawn, the All-Aus ruckman! :D :D
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 29, 2016, 12:38:41 PM
Max Gawn is the only ruckman named in the AA-squad :P
Yay Gawn, the All-Aus ruckman! :D :D
I wouldn't discount Cyril just yet, this is the All-Aus team
What are you guys thoughts on Oscar McDonald?
Reading the Inside Footy Player Ratings of each game, they are not that positive and continually note he looks out of his depth yet he played the last 14 games of the season and started to string together some nice fantasy scores towards the end of the season.
The coaching staff obviously like him to play that many consecutive games and keep out players like Garland, Dunn, etc.
OMac was the supporter whipping boy this year :P it was clear as day that, although we thought he was a good long term prospect, he wasn't near to being ready to play AFL.
Especially when the more capable Colin Garland and Lynden Dunn were playing in the VFL.
The reason why he was getting consistent games was because Dunn & Garlo weren't prepared to change their ways to this new attacking game-style that we are trying to achieve. OMac has embraced this style, therefore he got games.
But his last month of the year was actually quite good... I'd say he's *this* close to being a lock in our 22, as I don't see Dunn & Garland overtaking him. Whilst OMac is skinny, I guess he might be in danger to losing his spot to Michael Hibberd (pending) or Jake Melksham, but once he puts muscle on, I'd say he is a lock.
He is tracking very well.
One thing I noticed with OMac was while he clearly isn't able to handle the bigger bodies, he was one of the first to actually adopt the new gameplan. The main thing was while early on in the year we gave up a lot of easy goals over the top, when O'Mac came in he would usually be one of the first to run hard and get back to cover the forward/s who had got loose.
In case either BM or Barra doesn't check the Jesse Hogan Panic Room Thread at Demonland, I took interest at this discussion today... starting from the second post down:
BTW, the intrigue happens a page or so in :P
http://demonland.com/forums/topic/40293-the-jesse-hogan-panic-room-all-contract-talk-here/?page=132
Harsh on Matty Jones IMO
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-09-27/melbourne-makes-first-list-changes
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 27, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
In case either BM or Barra doesn't check the Jesse Hogan Panic Room Thread at Demonland, I took interest at this discussion today... starting from the second post down:
BTW, the intrigue happens a page or so in :P
http://demonland.com/forums/topic/40293-the-jesse-hogan-panic-room-all-contract-talk-here/?page=132
Stopped reading demonland a few weeks ago because I couldn't deal with their shower anymore :P that's interesting though....I still can't see him being traded
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 27, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
Harsh on Matty Jones IMO
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-09-27/melbourne-makes-first-list-changes
Harsh but pretty much expected, hurts the VFL team a bit though
Hope Grimes can find a new club
So if Lewis comes in I just le to ask, where do these guys get their midfield time? Assuming Viney, Jones and Lewis at the bounce
Petracca plays! Oliver? Brayshaw? Tyson keeps his midfield spot? Where does Bernie play? Jack Trengove has ability
Then there is the Bugg, Neal-Bullen and Jayden Hunt and Dean Kent isn't the worst. Billy Stretch still a solid ball winner
Just curious as to whom they drop out for Lewis to play? I hope it's not my boy Brayshaw but, he can learn from JL 8)
Edit: Ok Hunt for M Jones
matt jones got delisted
Well, I'd pretty much say Trengove is finished, first of all :-\
Petracca definitely plays as a rotating forward/mid. Dom Tyson, Dean Kent, Billy Stretch and Jayden Hunt are all definitely in the best 22, Lewis won't affect their JS IMO.
Ideally I'd love Bernie to play in the run-with role that got him his B&F, but I reckon he stays as a rotating defender/mid.
Oliver and Brayshaw are probably the most at risk, but really Lewis, Hibberd and even Melksham would be taking the amount of games Ben Kennedy, Tom Bugg & Matt Jones played.
ANB has a lot of doubt about him whether he can make it in the AFL IMO :-\ its because his best position is a pure inside mid. Well, just look at those names, he can't getting a game anytime soon.
Clayton has been a naughty boy
Sigh, god dammit.
I was just sayin the other day Melbourne don't have any off-field indiscretions since the days of Sylvia :(
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 15, 2016, 06:43:07 PM
Sigh, god dammit.
I was just sayin the other day Melbourne don't have any off-field indiscretions since the days of Sylvia :(
High draft pick
a bit chubby
Sylvia 2.0?
Quote from: Ricochet on November 15, 2016, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 15, 2016, 06:43:07 PM
Sigh, god dammit.
I was just sayin the other day Melbourne don't have any off-field indiscretions since the days of Sylvia :(
High draft pick
a bit chubby
Sylvia 2.0?
Has anyone ever seen Sylvia and Oliver in the same room?
a one week suspension should do the trick (http://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/c5/14/c51441d577b808a9f80a3f710a73255b.png)
Kayne Turner got 4 weeks for drink driving. I think Oliver needs to see something in the 2-3 range.
Drink and drive, BLOODY IDIOT.
Used to love seeing that around the advertising signage back in the day, its probably still there I just dont notice it haha
Quote from: elephants on November 16, 2016, 05:23:22 AM
Drink and drive, BLOODY IDIOT.
Used to love seeing that around the advertising signage back in the day, its probably still there I just dont notice it haha
Too pissed now to notice it
JACKY!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/jack-watts-shows-up-for-preseason-training-with-eyecatching-new-look/news-story/f0014c3c4fe19a9c116d0fdb24e1b538
Quote from: Levi434 on November 20, 2016, 06:20:19 PM
JACKY!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/jack-watts-shows-up-for-preseason-training-with-eyecatching-new-look/news-story/f0014c3c4fe19a9c116d0fdb24e1b538
I don't know how to feel about that :P just takes him 1 bad game and the media will be saying "He isn't a good enough player to dye his hair"
WATTSY YOU ABSOLUTE CHAMPION
He'll kick 5 in round 1
Flower Max Gawn is a pissa ahahahahaha
Wears a Jesse hogan looks like a fan made shirt with his big head on it to training hahahah
Easily taking over Swanny's mantle as the number one Man in the afl
Classic Gawn lol, he's a true legend :P
Also good to see ANB come third in the time trial today. Seems very determined to secure a place in our 22, which will be hard as he is best suited as a pure inside mid, and basically all our midfielders are inside mids. Still, all the best to him.
One of the biggest flogs to ever play the game
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/heritier-lumumba-set-to-retire-but-launch-legal-proceedings-against-melbourne/news-story/aa2cfc902a088f132c92500b6039ebd2
Exactly the way to describe him!
Because he is trying to sue us after we tried to protect him, I no longer have sympathy for him.
Good riddance to crazy rubbish.
Flog seems too tame tbh
Did he break his thinking chair?
I might be alone in this, but I love how much of an oddball he is ahaha. Total kook to say the least.
But yeah, this is weird, even for this fella.
I assume this means we take another pick in the draft... but with no list lodgement between now and the draft, I wonder if we can :-\
Wouldn't mind taking a punt on Jake Barrett as a DFA
yeah, it's pretty bizarre. Case wouldn't have a leg to stand on unless he had written proof they'd prevented him from playing to stop the contract clause.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 24, 2016, 10:01:22 AM
I assume this means we take another pick in the draft... but with no list lodgement between now and the draft, I wonder if we can :-\
Wouldn't mind taking a punt on Jake Barrett as a DFA
Don't think so - because final list lodgements had to be made already I think he occupies a spot on the Demons list in 2017 :-\
Quote from: Toga on November 24, 2016, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 24, 2016, 10:01:22 AM
I assume this means we take another pick in the draft... but with no list lodgement between now and the draft, I wonder if we can :-\
Wouldn't mind taking a punt on Jake Barrett as a DFA
Don't think so - because final list lodgements had to be made already I think he occupies a spot on the Demons list in 2017 :-\
Not sure where he can go (couldn't be LTI, unless he stays) but surely they'd be able to elevate a rookie to replace him?
Quote from: Toga on November 24, 2016, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 24, 2016, 10:01:22 AM
I assume this means we take another pick in the draft... but with no list lodgement between now and the draft, I wonder if we can :-\
Wouldn't mind taking a punt on Jake Barrett as a DFA
Don't think so - because final list lodgements had to be made already I think he occupies a spot on the Demons list in 2017 :-\
Final list lodgement is 30th of November according to AFL website? But I did read somewhere he will be on our list next year :-\
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 24, 2016, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 24, 2016, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 24, 2016, 10:01:22 AM
I assume this means we take another pick in the draft... but with no list lodgement between now and the draft, I wonder if we can :-\
Wouldn't mind taking a punt on Jake Barrett as a DFA
Don't think so - because final list lodgements had to be made already I think he occupies a spot on the Demons list in 2017 :-\
Not sure where he can go (couldn't be LTI, unless he stays) but surely they'd be able to elevate a rookie to replace him?
Apparently not, I think we'll be one short on the list this season, though tbh it's still an improvement on Heretier taking one up imo
There you go Purps
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-24/mitch-kings-pain-could-be-joel-smiths-gain-at-melbourne
Quote from: LF on February 25, 2017, 11:05:37 AM
There you go Purps
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-24/mitch-kings-pain-could-be-joel-smiths-gain-at-melbourne
:D
I was at an interstate members function last year before the game in Round 14 I think, and the only available Melbourne players that could come was Mitch King and Joel Smith. Ever since then, I've been a bit of a fan of Smiddy 8)
Hunt/Howe hybrid I tells ya!
So lads how much halfback flank did Nathan Jones actually play last week and can you see it continuing with guys like Viney, Brayshaw, Tyson and I suppose eventually Tracca coming through??
I'll be monitoring closely today I think
Quote from: elephants on February 25, 2017, 01:43:30 PM
So lads how much halfback flank did Nathan Jones actually play last week and can you see it continuing with guys like Viney, Brayshaw, Tyson and I suppose eventually Tracca coming through??
I'll be monitoring closely today I think
I hope he plays mid/defence all season,would love it quite a lot of he got DPP haha
I reckon Jones could easily be playing off the half back, similar to what he did the other day. All of Jones, Vince and Lewis played off the back at different stages, so just going on that game alone, they all could be D/M at some stage in the future.
Vince said the other day that the younger players will be playing more mid time this year.
But too early to tell really. Jones will definitely play at least a little off the back line though IMO
So, Angus Brayshaw dropped. Seems a surprise from the outside. Is it a surprise to Demons supporters?
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 07, 2017, 05:40:47 PM
So, Angus Brayshaw dropped. Seems a surprise from the outside. Is it a surprise to Demons supporters?
Well, he was fairly garbage last week. Was alright the week before though, so seems a bit weird.
Just looked lost last week. Kept finding himself out of position and couldn't get his hands on it. Might be a move to get him some confidence back in the twos.
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 07, 2017, 05:40:47 PM
So, Angus Brayshaw dropped. Seems a surprise from the outside. Is it a surprise to Demons supporters?
Definitely not surprised. If I'm honest, I've harboured concerns about his ball winning ability for a while now. I'm comfortable about what he does with it though.
Demonland are normally quite vocal about things like this. But they're kinda like "Hmm. Yes, Gus." - not wanting to tear him to shreds haha.
Hell have no fury like Demonland.
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Does Melbourne usually not have sponsors on the back of their guernseys? Looked weird :P
Not a good look @Jesse
Sigh.
Quote from: Toga on April 09, 2017, 11:04:29 PM
Does Melbourne usually not have sponsors on the back of their guernseys? Looked weird :P
Peter Jackson just trying to get the best deal haha. I seem to be the only one that doesn't notice
He's got 3 days leave, he didn't do anything illegal.
Assuming there is nothing in his contract about not smoking (which I am 95% sure there wouldn't be) he's fine.
Annoying though as this will be another massive media beat up.
Quote from: elephants on April 10, 2017, 10:39:06 AM
He's got 3 days leave, he didn't do anything illegal.
Assuming there is nothing in his contract about not smoking (which I am 95% sure there wouldn't be) he's fine.
Annoying though as this will be another massive media beat up.
No supplement saga and the West Coast drug story got no traction so they are trying to created drama
Quote from: elephants on April 10, 2017, 10:39:06 AM
He's got 3 days leave, he didn't do anything illegal.
Assuming there is nothing in his contract about not smoking (which I am 95% sure there wouldn't be) he's fine.
Annoying though as this will be another massive media beat up.
Oh good, these were my thoughts too but I thought I was too biased to really make a comment :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 10, 2017, 09:04:01 AM
Quote from: Toga on April 09, 2017, 11:04:29 PM
Does Melbourne usually not have sponsors on the back of their guernseys? Looked weird :P
Peter Jackson just trying to get the best deal haha. I seem to be the only one that doesn't notice
It just jumped out at me watching the game the other day that there was something missing with their guernseys :P
Can't remember the last time I saw a footballer smoking he must not know they are bad for your health :P
I mean yeh, would prefer that he didn't smoke, but one dart isn't gonna make a difference
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2016, 12:57:10 PM
Also good to see ANB come third in the time trial today. Seems very determined to secure a place in our 22, which will be hard as he is best suited as a pure inside mid, and basically all our midfielders are inside mids. Still, all the best to him.
Good early pick-up Purps! Has he been playing this inside mid role? Gotta admit I haven't seen a Melbourne game this year but he seems to be getting plenty of the pill
Quote from: roo boys! on April 28, 2017, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 23, 2016, 12:57:10 PM
Also good to see ANB come third in the time trial today. Seems very determined to secure a place in our 22, which will be hard as he is best suited as a pure inside mid, and basically all our midfielders are inside mids. Still, all the best to him.
Good early pick-up Purps! Has he been playing this inside mid role? Gotta admit I haven't seen a Melbourne game this year but he seems to be getting plenty of the pill
Ha, I won't claim all the credit because he's been my biggest surprise player this year :P
ANB's game is still based off the half-forward role IMO, but he gets himself engaged in the contests. His disposal isn't wonderful, but it's not terrible either... it just means if he plays just OK for too long, he will find himself a candidate to be replaced by a more capable player, ala Dean Kent if he gets his arse into gear.
But, his forward pressure has been great this year, and that's how he has gotten and stayed in the team to date. But I haven't paid him too much mind in the last couple of weeks so he could be doin other things... overall, I think his pill gathering is just a credit to his willingness to get involved from a role that can be pretty limited.
Just a really good role player imo
I'm scared Big Mac, I'm starting to think about changing my profile pic to the 19 year old that's averaging 30+ possessions this year and currently equal second in the AFLCA award.
The AFL world needs to start taking notice at just how good this kid is.
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 02, 2017, 12:37:33 PM
I'm scared Big Mac, I'm starting to think about changing my profile pic to the 19 year old that's averaging 30+ possessions this year and currently equal second in the AFLCA award.
The AFL world needs to start taking notice at just how good this kid is.
Great player but please don't make us look at him more than we have to. Not a pretty bloke :P
Quote from: elephants on May 02, 2017, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 02, 2017, 12:37:33 PM
I'm scared Big Mac, I'm starting to think about changing my profile pic to the 19 year old that's averaging 30+ possessions this year and currently equal second in the AFLCA award.
The AFL world needs to start taking notice at just how good this kid is.
Great player but please don't make us look at him more than we have to. Not a pretty bloke :P
I will admit, that has been the deciding factor to date.
If he gets his guernsey ripped though, I think I'll have to embrace the would-be Brianne of Tarth as my avatar.
Quote from: elephants on May 02, 2017, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 02, 2017, 12:37:33 PM
I'm scared Big Mac, I'm starting to think about changing my profile pic to the 19 year old that's averaging 30+ possessions this year and currently equal second in the AFLCA award.
The AFL world needs to start taking notice at just how good this kid is.
Great player but please don't make us look at him more than we have to. Not a pretty bloke :P
I straight away think of Syndrome from The Incredibles every damn time.
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 02, 2017, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 02, 2017, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 02, 2017, 12:37:33 PM
I'm scared Big Mac, I'm starting to think about changing my profile pic to the 19 year old that's averaging 30+ possessions this year and currently equal second in the AFLCA award.
The AFL world needs to start taking notice at just how good this kid is.
Great player but please don't make us look at him more than we have to. Not a pretty bloke :P
I will admit, that has been the deciding factor to date.
If he gets his guernsey ripped though, I think I'll have to embrace the would-be Brianne of Tarth as my avatar.
*Brienne
And holy shower how did I not make that connection before haha
So Mac and other melb supporters, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on our first third of the year?
Unsurprisingly, I for one have felt an ever present frustration. But unlike the years gone by, its not because the team hasn't tried, its not because we have been hopeless against best teams, its not because there is a sense of direness in our situation...
... its because I've never seen a greater disparity between imminent talent and results. Its because that when we have finally been ready to charge into finals, our best two rucks in two different games go down, and Lewis gets suspended, and Hogan receives the brunt of lifes darkside.
This year has been frustrating, but I just gotta remember that it has been A LOT worse and we now get frustrated at different things outside of just being able to compete.
I'm sparked to comment because there is a letter going around the media from a melb supporter to goodwin that is pretty disappointing, and was curious to see what others are feeling.
LOL @ this letter sent from a Melb member to Goodwin
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 10, 2017, 05:37:24 PM
LOL @ this letter sent from a Melb member to Goodwin
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/fbfe1cf631d84ee5947cd703a1f0086c?width=650)
How can this guy criticizes Jones...
They obviously missed the Haw v Melb game last year ::)
you can feel the pain coming from this bloke
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on May 10, 2017, 06:22:11 PM
you can feel the pain coming from this bloke
Yeah you definitely can, and this was the letter I was referring to. He just had a 'fed up' moment.
Although he actually has some points RE: JKH and the culture of bad kicking being acceptable, I hope that once he calmed down he'll be able to see where we are at.
It's been okay for the hand we've been dealt. Clearly there are still some issues with consistency, our best is still incredibly far from our worst, and I think a lot of that comes from there being so much youth in the team and a lack of on field leadership. From what i've seen so far clearly this year isn't going to be our year, but I can still see that we have the talent to beat any team on our day.
Hey lads, did ANB play VFL last week? Or was he kept out as an emergency?
Any chance he comes back in this week? Finding the pill is not the problem, decision making/disposal/skill execution appears to be more of a problem here.
The Demons face a tough road trip to Adelaide to face the Crows after one of their most disappointing performances of the season against Hawthorn. Midfielder Jake Melksham would have been a chance for an instant recall after gathering 30 disposals in the VFL. However, he is set to accept a one-match sanction for two separate incidents in the Casey Demons' game against Werribee. The Demons' forward half is in need of a rejig, with Alex Neal-Bullen and Dean Kent both in line to return to the senior side. Neal-Bullen did not play at any level last weekend after being held over as an emergency. Kent's speed and aggressiveness inside forward 50 has been a missing element in Melbourne's forward line. Billy Stretch (25 disposals) was again consistent throughout, while Ben Kennedy (26) and Jack Trengove (22) turned in strong showings. - Ben Guthrie
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 10, 2017, 05:37:24 PM
LOL @ this letter sent from a Melb member to Goodwin
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Whyat are demons fans worried about? It almost snow season, they should be waxing their skis in preparation
Quote from: elephants on May 11, 2017, 03:57:12 PM
Hey lads, did ANB play VFL last week? Or was he kept out as an emergency?
Any chance he comes back in this week? Finding the pill is not the problem, decision making/disposal/skill execution appears to be more of a problem here.
Yeah as KB says, he was the carry over.
I expect him to play VFL this week, given Kent & Stretch have made their case heard this week. Even rumors that Jack Trengove might be selected this week :o
As I said
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 10, 2017, 03:47:26 PM
I've never seen a greater disparity between imminent talent and results.
We do what we did tonight, but lose to Hawthorn and Fremantle with little adversity ::)
It's a rollercoaster... but flower, the highs feel particularly good
Votes by both coaches for the 6th time in 8 games.
ADELAIDE v MELBOURNE
10 Jack Viney (Melb)
8 Michael Hibberd (Melb)
5 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
5 Christian Petacca (Melb)
2 Bernie Vince (Melb)
AFLCA LEADERBOARD
43 Elliot Yeo (WC)
42 Rory Sloane (Adel)
36 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
32 Gary Ablett (GC)
31 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
31 Sebastian Ross (StK)
31 Joel Selwood (Geel)
29 Ollie Wines (PA)
27 Marc Murphy (Carl)
27 Jack Steven (StK)
... must... resist... avatar change... Jesse, you need a haul, and fast!
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 15, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
... must... resist... avatar change... Jesse, you need a haul, and fast!
Oliver and Hogan are ok but honestly i dont know how you have resisted this one
(http://demonwiki.org/image5838)
Hah!
To be fair, he looks completely different to his on-field look. I almost didn't recognise him.
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/ab2133eb8d4d450e81600516e13fd368.png)
This photo I nabbed totally by chance last year is actually starting to get weight behind it :P
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/8808227e1fce4aa3acdacd3d3b7a24e0.png)
Quote from: Purple 77 on May 15, 2017, 10:05:57 PM
This photo I nabbed totally by chance last year is actually starting to get weight behind it :P
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/8808227e1fce4aa3acdacd3d3b7a24e0.png)
hahahaha, alot of weight! Gawn will struggle getting back in the team ;)
Terrible news about Hogan this morning
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-16/jesse-hogan-dignosed-with-testicular-cancer
Quote from: Capper on May 16, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
Terrible news about Hogan this morning
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-16/jesse-hogan-dignosed-with-testicular-cancer
Yeah the news hit me for 6 this morning. What an unbelievably crappy month he has had :'(
Just so glad that it looks likely that he'll recover fairly quickly, especially for his family.
Gary Lyon wants the Dees to go after Steven May... Would be a perfect addition IMO!
Quote from: Toga on May 22, 2017, 01:31:17 PM
Gary Lyon wants the Dees to go after Steven May... Would be a perfect addition IMO!
I think every club would go after May if he was on the market :P
Melbourne in particular though clearly has a need for another reliable KPD. The amount of bags that key forwards have kicked on the Dees this year is clearly something that is holding the side back.
You're dead right Toges, Demonland have been preaching this move for a month or two now!
May would just be perfect; freeing up TMac to be the second defender; the role he's most suited too. It'd also mean OMac gets to develop at the VFL, and well, just all sorts of things :)
Failing that, I'd take Jake Lever in a heart beat.
Who needs May when you have OMac and Frost
Failing that just stick Jetta on the talls, took care of Boyd pretty comfortably
Don't think i've ever seen a 4 quarter performance from the dees like that
Me either BM! So much positivity at the club ATM.
I can't believe we are 5th ;D ;D ;D
The question is, who goes out for Gawn?
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 18, 2017, 08:32:54 PM
Me either BM! So much positivity at the club ATM.
I can't believe we are 5th ;D ;D ;D
The question is, who goes out for Gawn?
Pretty tough call, literally everyone played a part.
Quote from: Nige on June 18, 2017, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 18, 2017, 08:32:54 PM
Me either BM! So much positivity at the club ATM.
I can't believe we are 5th ;D ;D ;D
The question is, who goes out for Gawn?
Pretty tough call, literally everyone played a part.
There were some sore Dees in that match, and given that we are coming off the first of 3 consecutive 6 day breaks, I have a feeling someone might not pull up 100% fit. Whomever they are, I reckon they come out for Gawn.
Else I think maybe Frost is the unlucky one? Or ANB? Is a really tough and harsh call.
What. The. flower.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-20/demon-leader-nathan-jones-hit-for-six-by-quad-injury
So... so he will miss only one match then?
But... it's Chunk? He's invincible?
If this is true, he'll double the amount of games he's missed since his debut in one injury.
Nah, no way he'll be gone for the whole 4. It'll be 3 max, you wait and see.
Just the 6 days yeah?
I mean, at least we don't have to find anyone to drop for Gawn....
Quote from: Big Mac on June 20, 2017, 08:02:46 PM
I mean, at least we don't have to find anyone to drop for Gawn....
Been hearing some Trengove hype actually, for the like-for-like :-X
One tortured soul for another... seems about right. Else yeah, Gawn for Jones :-\
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 18, 2017, 09:26:48 PM
There were some sore Dees in that match, and given that we are coming off the first of 3 consecutive 6 day breaks, I have a feeling someone might not pull up 100% fit. Whomever they are, I reckon they come out for Gawn.
So who steps up and gets extra midfield minutes? Melky? ANB? Tracca?
Quote from: elephants on June 21, 2017, 01:29:56 PM
So who steps up and gets extra midfield minutes? Melky? ANB? Tracca?
I reckon another mid will come in tbh, and that the minutes for the rest of them will stay more or less the same. Maybe Petracca does, given that Gawn will come in, pushing Pedo forward therefore Tracca doesn't need to stay there as much.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-22/melbourne-lane-cops-the-tom-bugg-treatment
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JKH has been playing inside mid might come in for Jones
That's awesome re: Bugg! I liked it personally.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 22, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
JKH has been playing inside mid might come in for Jones
That is definitely true KB, and the coaches do like him.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 22, 2017, 05:52:56 PM
That's awesome re: Bugg! I liked it personally.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 22, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
JKH has been playing inside mid might come in for Jones
That is definitely true KB, and the coaches do like him.
That would mean someone else has to come out for Gawn though
Quote from: Big Mac on June 22, 2017, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 22, 2017, 05:52:56 PM
That's awesome re: Bugg! I liked it personally.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 22, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
JKH has been playing inside mid might come in for Jones
That is definitely true KB, and the coaches do like him.
That would mean someone else has to come out for Gawn though
This is true. I'm of the opinion we'll see two changes, because the coaches might want a like-for-like replacement for Jones. I have big Trenners hype!
Trenners hype?
Goodwin has already said that he is still a while off (Read that today)
Expecting Jones and Watts out, Gawn and JKH in?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 22, 2017, 06:10:29 PM
Trenners hype?
Goodwin has already said that he is still a while off (Read that today)
Expecting Jones and Watts out, Gawn and JKH in?
Oh, didn't read that.
Probs just Gawn for Jones
isn't Watts out too? so Gawn for him etc think Pedo will play fwd
Billson Stretch in, noice
Believe. BELIEVE!
flowerING so proud!
Been keeping a lid on it, but just frisbeed that thing 13km.
<--- This bull was unbelievable.
Quote from: Barra13 on June 25, 2017, 01:47:07 PM
Been keeping a lid on it, but just frisbeed that thing 13km.
<--- This bull was unbelievable.
I know right! It wasn't until last night that I have officially allowed myself to believe we'll make finals :D
Viney... god-like.
Bring on September footy
Quick note on the VFL, beat the Hawks with the Weid kicking 6, JKH having 39, Kennedy 35 and Kent 34
Quote from: Big Mac on June 25, 2017, 05:23:59 PM
Bring on September footy
Quick note on the VFL, beat the Hawks with the Weid kicking 6, JKH having 39, Kennedy 35 and Kent 34
I watched the first quarter, so stoked to see Weid dominate :D
I wanna see BenKen get another continued opportunity in the 1's, seems to be dominating in the 2's as always but just can't get a consistent run at it in the big league. Mainly for WXVs more than anything but I'm a fan of his :P
Quote from: Toga on June 25, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
I wanna see BenKen get another continued opportunity in the 1's, seems to be dominating in the 2's as always but just can't get a consistent run at it in the big league. Mainly for WXVs more than anything but I'm a fan of his :P
It's a pretty grim outlook for him IMO. He's a good player sure, but he doesn't damage enough with his kicks and he's unfortunate that ANB, Harmes, Kent (also stuck at Casey), Bugg and Petracca play basically the same role as him. Could even put Brayshaw and maybe Stretch and Hannan in that category too :-\
Still, he was the carry over emergency the other day, so he's close.
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 25, 2017, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: Toga on June 25, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
I wanna see BenKen get another continued opportunity in the 1's, seems to be dominating in the 2's as always but just can't get a consistent run at it in the big league. Mainly for WXVs more than anything but I'm a fan of his :P
It's a pretty grim outlook for him IMO. He's a good player sure, but he doesn't damage enough with his kicks and he's unfortunate that ANB, Harmes, Kent (also stuck at Casey), Bugg and Petracca play basically the same role as him. Could even put Brayshaw and maybe Stretch and Hannan in that category too :-\
Still, he was the carry over emergency the other day, so he's close.
Bugg is pretty much the new Hayden Ballantyne, loves a seagull goal and a chirp.
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Quote from: Toga on June 25, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
I wanna see BenKen get another continued opportunity in the 1's, seems to be dominating in the 2's as always but just can't get a consistent run at it in the big league. Mainly for WXVs more than anything but I'm a fan of his :P
It's a pretty grim outlook for him IMO. He's a good player sure, but he doesn't damage enough with his kicks and he's unfortunate that ANB, Harmes, Kent (also stuck at Casey), Bugg and Petracca play basically the same role as him. Could even put Brayshaw and maybe Stretch and Hannan in that category too :-\
Still, he was the carry over emergency the other day, so he's close.
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath. He's a bit cursed in that Melbourne is fairly blessed with depth in that midfielder/forward position, will be interesting to see what happens going forwards.. When is he contracted till? Likelihood of him searching for more opportunity elsewhere?
Although already being at his second club it would be interesting to see how much interest there is for him among other teams.
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Quote from: Toga on June 25, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
I wanna see BenKen get another continued opportunity in the 1's, seems to be dominating in the 2's as always but just can't get a consistent run at it in the big league. Mainly for WXVs more than anything but I'm a fan of his :P
It's a pretty grim outlook for him IMO. He's a good player sure, but he doesn't damage enough with his kicks and he's unfortunate that ANB, Harmes, Kent (also stuck at Casey), Bugg and Petracca play basically the same role as him. Could even put Brayshaw and maybe Stretch and Hannan in that category too :-\
Still, he was the carry over emergency the other day, so he's close.
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath. He's a bit cursed in that Melbourne is fairly blessed with depth in that midfielder/forward position, will be interesting to see what happens going forwards.. When is he contracted till? Likelihood of him searching for more opportunity elsewhere?
Although already being at his second club it would be interesting to see how much interest there is for him among other teams.
I believe he signed a 3 year contract when he came over. I think this is his second year, so he has 1 more IIRC
I laid face down on the floor of my living room for 20 minutes after the siren on Saturday night.
Well done lads, Jack Viney is something else. Insane, give us Jones because Viney is better with the sole capt :P
Quote from: elephants on June 26, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
I laid face down on the floor of my living room for 20 minutes after the siren on Saturday night.
Well done lads, Jack Viney is something else. Insane, give us Jones because Viney is better with the sole capt :P
Had the game ended a minute earlier, I would have too :-[
Haha, I was pleased with Viney and kinda surprised tbh, because I've been sporting much of the year hashtags like
#NotMyCaptain
#JonesAlwaysMyCaptain
But... credit where credit is due, I was blown away by him!
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 26, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 26, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
I laid face down on the floor of my living room for 20 minutes after the siren on Saturday night.
Well done lads, Jack Viney is something else. Insane, give us Jones because Viney is better with the sole capt :P
Had the game ended a minute earlier, I would have too :-[
Haha, I was pleased with Viney and kinda surprised tbh, because I've been sporting much of the year hashtags like
#NotMyCaptain
#JonesAlwaysMyCaptain
But... credit where credit is due, I was blown away by him!
And surely he was blown away after the game as well
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Quote from: Purple 77 on June 26, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 26, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
I laid face down on the floor of my living room for 20 minutes after the siren on Saturday night.
Well done lads, Jack Viney is something else. Insane, give us Jones because Viney is better with the sole capt :P
Had the game ended a minute earlier, I would have too :-[
Haha, I was pleased with Viney and kinda surprised tbh, because I've been sporting much of the year hashtags like
#NotMyCaptain
#JonesAlwaysMyCaptain
But... credit where credit is due, I was blown away by him!
And surely he was blown away after the game as well
Heh :P
Brayshaw getting through unscathed in the VFL last night :D but even better, seemed to have had a good game with 23 disposals :)
Lever talks starting to get noticeable...
Personally though, don't even feel an ounce of excitement yet. Media has proven to BS merchants for a long time.
Still concerned with making finals this year, haven't even thought about the offseason
I'm pretty confident we'll land someone though, just not sure who yet
Corey Maynard debuting this week plus Bernie and Chunk back in for you guys is pretty big, a shame Hogan is out.
Maynard! The Petracca look-a-like!
Been putting up some big numbers in the VFL for some time now, I'm led to believe he was starting to hit targets with them only in the last month :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 23, 2017, 01:01:23 PM
Brayshaw getting through unscathed in the VFL last night :D but even better, seemed to have had a good game with 23 disposals :)
And he's back! Confirmed in this week
Gus bus!
Also, totally agree RE: dropping Watts. I know we need to protect this guy, but in all seriousness, I believe Weideman would offer more than Watts has in the past 3 games
Oh, I knew there was a reason of why I love you Jess.
fml
Jesus.
Lucky :P
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... too close...
I just came in here to say I really would like Jesse Hogan to come play next to JKK. :P
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... too close...
they need to lift next week, dont they know Dublin is pushing for a flag.
Ok, now I'm starting to believe.
Demonlanders (and I) haven't really taken the Lever rumours all too seriously, because there is a lot left to play out. Sure we believe we are a chance, but we aren't betting the house on it.
However, last night, a Demonland user who actually (claims at least) has sources within the club (posts very rarely) has said Lever to the Dees is "Happening" apparently. This posters' reputation is elite around the forum, given the poster has been on the money, most recently regarding Hogan signing, Lewis signing and saying Rockliff rumours were full of crap. It's been taken seriously by the Demonlanders.
At the very least, a very interesting development.
Darren Jarman reporting today that Jake Lever to Melbourne is pretty much a certainty
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 25, 2017, 12:26:25 PM
Ok, now I'm starting to believe.
Demonlanders (and I) haven't really taken the Lever rumours all too seriously, because there is a lot left to play out. Sure we believe we are a chance, but we aren't betting the house on it.
However, last night, a Demonland user who actually (claims at least) has sources within the club (posts very rarely) has said Lever to the Dees is "Happening" apparently. This posters' reputation is elite around the forum, given the poster has been on the money, most recently regarding Hogan signing, Lewis signing and saying Rockliff rumours were full of crap. It's been taken seriously by the Demonlanders.
At the very least, a very interesting development.
haha yeh I saw that too
Looks pretty likely
Quote from: Toga on August 25, 2017, 12:55:34 PM
Darren Jarman reporting today that Jake Lever to Melbourne is pretty much a certainty
I assume you mean Andrew Jarman, and that's probably a reason to believe it definitely won't happen :P
ANB + Ben Kennedy + 1st Rounder for him?
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 25, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
ANB + Ben Kennedy + 1st Rounder for him?
ANB just signed up.
Rumours are that Adelaide like the uncontracted (and apparently not currently impressed) Frost, so could be a Frost + first rounder
Better be a damn good first rounder then if that's all
Quote from: TomK on August 25, 2017, 08:32:59 PM
Better be a damn good first rounder then if that's all
We'll throw in Heritier Lumumba
You're getting Lever from us so I think we can call it even :P
Trengove, Spencer, White and another rookie all delisted
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 12, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Trengove, Spencer, White and another rookie all delisted
Hullett :p
Oh Trenners, what could have been.
who do Melbourne supporters expect to get most Brownlow votes out of curiosity
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 13, 2017, 10:01:15 AM
who do Melbourne supporters expect to get most Brownlow votes out of curiosity
Im not a melb supporter, but surly oliver!!! Didnt miss a game as well compared to others that he could be competing with Jones, Viney, Gawn ect
Quote from: iZander on September 13, 2017, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 13, 2017, 10:01:15 AM
who do Melbourne supporters expect to get most Brownlow votes out of curiosity
Im not a melb supporter, but surly oliver!!! Didnt miss a game as well compared to others that he could be competing with Jones, Viney, Gawn ect
some of the predictors have Jones
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 13, 2017, 10:35:13 AM
some of the predictors have Jones
I've got a bit of money on Jones, Oliver was consistent but I think he had a lot of games where he was 3rd/4th/5th best on ground so will be touch and go whether he gets a vote or not. There's also the classic case of players in their breakout year typically polling unders - he had a better season than Jones but I think the odds are a bit off
I fully expect Oliver to poll the most votes. Internally, I don't think Melbourne supporters rated Jones' year as highly as those externally. Oliver had the much better year IMO.
I think Jones pips him, breakout players rarely poll as well as people think (and as well as they should, really).
Should have known Viney would poll more than Jones too.
We'll done Clarry :)
TMac was a surprise
Big Mac, Barra, other faithful... I'm really curious about your feelings about the Jack Watts saga.
I understand the clubs viewpoint about wanting more from Jack but... but I feel sick.
There is nothing about this that I like. But that's just me personally, because I respect those that are a fan of the move.
I honestly feel like Jack deserves to play out the rest of his career as a Melbourne player. He's dealt with a lot of shower, had chances to leave in the past but stuck by the club. He's a demon through and through and from all reports seems like a great bloke. I can't imagine him playing anywhere else. From the coach's perspective though, he clearly sees a player who doesn't do everything he can. Doesn't show diligence or discipline in the way he trains/rehabs etc. And as a senior player this probably doesn't set the best example for the playing group. So I can see the rationale in trading him.
Three 2017 All-Aus squad members in the defensive 6 ey?
Ecstatic to land Lever, worth every cumulative draft point :)
Holding out hope we do something over the next few days with our 3 second round draft picks :-\
Jesus Goodwin, this had better work. Been growing very disenchanted with the club over the past 6 or so weeks.
Without knowing how my fellow FF dees supporters feel, it just seems to me most melb supporters have gotten over the awfulness that 2017 was in the end. I haven't... I just don't have the same feeling about the Dees than I have over the last 3 years. 2017 seemed a wasted year (sorry, not making finals was a failure, don't care what I'm told otherwise), yet most seem to have reset themselves and try to spew out the bull sh*t that missing out on finals leaves us in a better position in the future? Please.
Didn't mean this post to turn out to be a vent :P but yeah as I say, probably haven't felt this disconnected with the club since 2013 :-\ Round 23 hit me hard.
Please, let this just work out. Let me trust the MFC direction again :-\
Pretty happy with our haul last night :)
29. Spargo
31. Fritsch
37. Petty
48. Baker
Thrilled with Fritsch, just coz I've followed him in our VFL team all year. Could have another (better?) Hannan on our hands :)
Petty has a very impressive highlights package (yes, I know) for a tall defender. Worth watching.
Thoughts on your preseason camp? ;D
Heh, bit of an ol drama.
Still, doin the annual Maroochydore trip in January. I like to think there was a good 'real' reason why the players didn't do the boot camp.
Danger to miss round 1 ey? That helps.
Any pre-season news/impressions fellow Demon supporters?
I haven't been following TOO closely, but it almost looks certain Fritsch will line up Round 1. All the right things have been said about him over the summer.
There has also been massive wraps on Billy Stretch. He sits well in the coaches good books, so he could surprise this year.
Other than that, I think our best 22 can be estimated fairly accurately.
Danger out cancels out Viney out I reckon
Would love to start all 3 of Garlett, Hannan and Fritsch but I just don't think there's room for 3 specialist small forwards. Goodwin seems to like Fritsch though so not sure how things will play out. Maybe there's room with Viney out
Pretty confident on making the top 8 this season, a lot of players have improved over the off season and having Gawn/Hogan/Viney injury free will be a huge help
Looking forward to round 1
Anyone know why Gus Brayshaw not getting a gig?!?
Seems a no brainer to me, if fit...
Quote from: FactHunt on March 27, 2018, 11:27:10 AM
Anyone know why Gus Brayshaw not getting a gig?!?
Seems a no brainer to me, if fit...
Didn't have the greatest JLT. Might have to fight his way into the team through the VFL. Seems Dom Tyson is in a similar boat. Don't mind seeing clubs reward other players for strong pre-seasons.
He had his wisdom teeth taken out in sudden circumstances in the lead-up to Round 1, which may have affected his fitness.
But, he's never really been a walk-up start to our 22. All supporters want him in the team, but that's because we want him to prove himself, as he hasn't really yet. Has probably had 2 or 3 20+ disposal games in his career after all.
Gun, but still finding his way.
You'd think he comes in after the Dees 0-2 start to the season
Quote from: GoLions on March 27, 2018, 02:47:55 PM
You'd think he comes in after the Dees 0-2 start to the season
:P
Keen for a 2016 replay? I'm gonna watch it before the game to get myself good and irritated, so I can properly express myself when we have one shower quarter.
Purps, reckon Frost comes in to free up Lever? I think Lever needs to be able to intercept if he's going to be worth the money the Dees are paying him right?
Quote from: elephants on March 27, 2018, 04:34:46 PM
Purps, reckon Frost comes in to free up Lever? I think Lever needs to be able to intercept if he's going to be worth the money the Dees are paying him right?
You'd like to think so, except Frost isn't amazing at being 1v1 either :-X he's OK I guess.
OMac smacked Hawkins last week, so he'll be the one to take the key forward 1v1. It was a failing of the rest of the defenders to free up Lever. I think Lever had what, 18 SC points in the first half? We conceded 12 goals 8 in that time. When we tightened up and restricted Geelong to 17 points in the second half, Lever had 50 SC and was able to have somewhat of an impact.
So I'm not breaking the Sam Frost fire alarm yet :P
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You'd think he comes in after the Dees 0-2 start to the season
:P
Keen for a 2016 replay? I'm gonna watch it before the game to get myself good and irritated, so I can properly express myself when we have one shower quarter.
I prefer 2014 myself
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You'd think he comes in after the Dees 0-2 start to the season
:P
Keen for a 2016 replay? I'm gonna watch it before the game to get myself good and irritated, so I can properly express myself when we have one shower quarter.
I prefer 2014 myself
Hmm. The year's are blurring together. I might have meant that one... I'm thinking of that 60-36 ripper of a game? :P
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You'd think he comes in after the Dees 0-2 start to the season
:P
Keen for a 2016 replay? I'm gonna watch it before the game to get myself good and irritated, so I can properly express myself when we have one shower quarter.
I prefer 2014 myself
Hmm. The year's are blurring together. I might have meant that one... I'm thinking of that 60-36 ripper of a game? :P
I was at that game. I swear both sides were trying to lose.
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You'd think he comes in after the Dees 0-2 start to the season
:P
Keen for a 2016 replay? I'm gonna watch it before the game to get myself good and irritated, so I can properly express myself when we have one shower quarter.
I prefer 2014 myself
Hmm. The year's are blurring together. I might have meant that one... I'm thinking of that 60-36 ripper of a game? :P
I was at that game. I swear both sides were trying to lose.
Same. Best game I've seen in my life ;D
Didn’t get to see today’s game but last 3 weeks have been very disheartening
Team has disappointed for far too long now, going to take a huge effort to make finals from here
Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Might have to double dip on this GIF.....
Demons fans coming back to earth....
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Quote from: Purple 77 on July 02, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Just can’t see us beating GWS, West Coast or Sydney, and then Geelong and Adelaide will be tough games too
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Quote from: Purple 77 on July 02, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Just can’t see us beating GWS, West Coast or Sydney, and then Geelong and Adelaide will be tough games too
Yeah I'm all too aware of that too :-\
Still, a lot can change in 3 weeks of footy, heh.
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Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Just can’t see us beating GWS, West Coast or Sydney, and then Geelong and Adelaide will be tough games too
Yeah I'm all too aware of that too :-\
Still, a lot can change in 3 weeks of footy, heh.
Brisbane may help you out though as after Carlton this week we play Hawks, Crows, Cats, Kangas, Pies and Eagles. So if we win 3 of those for you you should be happy.
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Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Just can’t see us beating GWS, West Coast or Sydney, and then Geelong and Adelaide will be tough games too
Yeah I'm all too aware of that too :-\
Still, a lot can change in 3 weeks of footy, heh.
Brisbane may help you out though as after Carlton this week we play Hawks, Crows, Cats, Kangas, Pies and Eagles. So if we win 3 of those for you you should be happy.
you'd be lucky to win one of those....
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Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Just can’t see us beating GWS, West Coast or Sydney, and then Geelong and Adelaide will be tough games too
Yeah I'm all too aware of that too :-\
Still, a lot can change in 3 weeks of footy, heh.
Brisbane may help you out though as after Carlton this week we play Hawks, Crows, Cats, Kangas, Pies and Eagles. So if we win 3 of those for you you should be happy.
you'd be lucky to win one of those....
3 at the Gabba (Crows, Kangas and Eagles) and one of the few teams to have beaten Hawks at Launceston but will be hard this time. So could be possible.
Calm down Ringo ;D
I now you're excited you got a win on the weekend, but 3 of those 6 from here? Take it easy :P
haha I can't say I'd tip brissie in any of those games
But... I can't joke too much. They just beat us
Considering our average winning margin is better than the tigers, i don't really see how we could lose another game tbh
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Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Just can’t see us beating GWS, West Coast or Sydney, and then Geelong and Adelaide will be tough games too
Yeah I'm all too aware of that too :-\
Still, a lot can change in 3 weeks of footy, heh.
Brisbane may help you out though as after Carlton this week we play Hawks, Crows, Cats, Kangas, Pies and Eagles. So if we win 3 of those for you you should be happy.
you'd be lucky to win one of those....
3 at the Gabba (Crows, Kangas and Eagles) and one of the few teams to have beaten Hawks at Launceston but will be hard this time. So could be possible.
:P
Yw Dees
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Indeed.
I'm oddly not panicking, for the sole reason of "we couldn't possibly miss finals again, that would be too cruel, universe."
Took a long time for me to move on after last year, but they won me back in Alice Springs. Surely, we make finals.
Just can’t see us beating GWS, West Coast or Sydney, and then Geelong and Adelaide will be tough games too
Yeah I'm all too aware of that too :-\
Still, a lot can change in 3 weeks of footy, heh.
Brisbane may help you out though as after Carlton this week we play Hawks, Crows, Cats, Kangas, Pies and Eagles. So if we win 3 of those for you you should be happy.
you'd be lucky to win one of those....
3 at the Gabba (Crows, Kangas and Eagles) and one of the few teams to have beaten Hawks at Launceston but will be hard this time. So could be possible.
:P
Yw Dees
Ha, I was actually thinking about this the other day!
GO YOU LIONS!
and Suns did you a favour today as well.
We will take care of Crows tonight - Famous last words.
I still haven't quite gotten over Round 23 of last year. I reckon - at best - the Dees only won about 80% of me back after 6 impressive wins.
If we don't make finals this year - and I said this a few weeks ago, so don't think this comment is born from rawness - I'm actually done. I actually don't think I can support the Demons anymore. Round 23 last year was such a devastating hit to me, and I haven't really been the same since, with the Demons and AFL in general.
After the universe conspired (not umpires btw) against us to lose that Geelong game, finals looks so, so hard to reach now.
If it doesn't happen in 2018, that's it from me. And I genuinely mean it.
I know the feeling purps
Losses are a lot tougher for us, other clubs already have credits in the bank with their supporters but ours has just been making withdrawals for years.
Finals really are a must this year
Could be time to change the DP soon :-X
:'(
I still live in hope.
At least the compensation will be high and exciting. For gods sake though I hope we don't fork over a top 10 draft pick for May.
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Could be time to change the DP soon :-X
Might be time for me to change up as well :P
So I got a new job at work and this guys is one of my managers :)
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2013-03-22/hall-of-fame-alan-johnson
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So I got a new job at work and this guys is one of my managers :)
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2013-03-22/hall-of-fame-alan-johnson
Well that's pretty awesome!
Lads, interested to know thoughts on Aaron Vandenbergs role this year?
The Dees clearly love him, as he returned from injury to play the last 4 games of last season, then the preceding finals series. Didn't play JLT1 but played JLT2 in a role that had him laying a whopping 16 tackles :o
Does this continue once Jones and Viney are back to full fitness? What actually is his role going to be do we think?
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Lads, interested to know thoughts on Aaron Vandenbergs role this year?
The Dees clearly love him, as he returned from injury to play the last 4 games of last season, then the preceding finals series. Didn't play JLT1 but played JLT2 in a role that had him laying a whopping 16 tackles :o
Does this continue once Jones and Viney are back to full fitness? What actually is his role going to be do we think?
Mainly forward pocket, rotating onto a flank i'd say. He's a strong mark, has a big physical presence and hopefully he can use his tackling to keep the ball i50. Don't think there's much room for him in the mids, but he will get the occasional stint in there when they want a different dynamic.
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Quote from: elephants on March 19, 2019, 10:20:02 PM
Lads, interested to know thoughts on Aaron Vandenbergs role this year?
The Dees clearly love him, as he returned from injury to play the last 4 games of last season, then the preceding finals series. Didn't play JLT1 but played JLT2 in a role that had him laying a whopping 16 tackles :o
Does this continue once Jones and Viney are back to full fitness? What actually is his role going to be do we think?
Mainly forward pocket, rotating onto a flank i'd say. He's a strong mark, has a big physical presence and hopefully he can use his tackling to keep the ball i50. Don't think there's much room for him in the mids, but he will get the occasional stint in there when they want a different dynamic.
Love it, seems very fair. The midfield is a little crowded, particularly with all those inside types.
Neal-Bullen? More of the same? Wing to HFF as that outside link man? Erratic fantasy scorer but that probably comes with the role doesn't it
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Quote from: Big Mac on March 19, 2019, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 19, 2019, 10:20:02 PM
Lads, interested to know thoughts on Aaron Vandenbergs role this year?
The Dees clearly love him, as he returned from injury to play the last 4 games of last season, then the preceding finals series. Didn't play JLT1 but played JLT2 in a role that had him laying a whopping 16 tackles :o
Does this continue once Jones and Viney are back to full fitness? What actually is his role going to be do we think?
Mainly forward pocket, rotating onto a flank i'd say. He's a strong mark, has a big physical presence and hopefully he can use his tackling to keep the ball i50. Don't think there's much room for him in the mids, but he will get the occasional stint in there when they want a different dynamic.
Love it, seems very fair. The midfield is a little crowded, particularly with all those inside types.
Neal-Bullen? More of the same? Wing to HFF as that outside link man? Erratic fantasy scorer but that probably comes with the role doesn't it
Yeah he’s got a pretty interesting role which seems to be just apply pressure all over the forward half of the ground and get involved where he can. Covers the most ground of anyone in the side (14-15km per game) and i’m pretty sure he leads us for pressure acts and is right up there for score involvements and also goals. Very underrated player
BM hits the nail on both players.
What the actual flower happened to the Dees this year?
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What the actual flower happened to the Dees this year?
14 post-season surgeries
Consistent niggling injuries to key players throughout the year
And a mental resignation from coaches and players that those two things explain all our problems
The fun part will be watching it happen again next year, because the Dees think it's all going to happen once we get a clear run at it
Losing Hogan hurts too. Forwards like that dont grow on trees.
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Losing Hogan hurts too. Forwards like that dont grow on trees.
Yeah absolutely. The deal has never sat well with me at all, despite May's good qualities.
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Losing Hogan hurts too. Forwards like that dont grow on trees.
Yeah absolutely. The deal has never sat well with me at all, despite May's good qualities.
Qualities? Plural?
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Losing Hogan hurts too. Forwards like that dont grow on trees.
Yeah absolutely. The deal has never sat well with me at all, despite May's good qualities.
Qualities? Plural?
He’s really good at taking out Stefan Martin AND having beers before a game
I've tried to hate May :P but you can't fake the desire he shows. Second to only Viney and maybe gawn IMO
What the hell how has this spud of a coach escaped all scrutiny this year ? the Dee's have no fight , no spirit , no game plan and he just seems evade any bad media ?
Too expensive to get rid of him. Probably need to though, he's a disgrace
BuT iT's BeCaUsE oF tHe InJuRiEs