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Title: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 01, 2014, 06:07:11 pm
Thought I would start a new thread for discussion on what should happen if Sportal do not run a competition this year.

Despite 3 emails have not heard anything from Sportal and their Fantasy tab on website takes you to the 2013 Fantasy Page so has not been updated for 2014.

Here is the scoring system Sportal.
Kick: 3 Points
Handball: 1 Point
Contested Possession: 4 Points - Any possession won in dispute (Contested mark, hardball get, loose all get, free kick for)
Uncontested Possession: 2 Points - Any possession gained from a team mate (uncontested mark, handball receive)
Tackle: 3 Points
Hitout: 1 Point
Clanger: -5 Points - Any blatant unforced error (free kick against, 50m penalty, dropped marks)
Goal: 6 Points
Behind: 1 Point
 This is for comparison purposes with other systems. To date I have had no joy in getting information to download data from CD.  They guard it pretty well and only release to appropriate parties.

Options as I see them:
1. Retain current system and do a lot of manual work - extract the live stats after each game and put into a spread sheet to calculate the scores as above. Would not be too bad if we could get the data download but still requires a lot of work.

2. Real Dream Team Scoring (AFL is exactly the same)
Kick    3 Points
Handball 2 Points
Mark    3 Points
Tackle    4 Points
Free Kick For    1 Point
Free Kick Against    -3 Points
Hitout    1 Point
Goal    6 Points
Behind    1 Point
Probably the closest we can get to Sportal.

3. Supercoach
Effective kick    4 Points
Ineffective kick    0 Points
Clanger kick    -4 Points
Effective Handball    1.5 Points
Ineffective handball    0 Points
Handball clanger    -4 Points
Handball receive    1.5 Point
Hardball get
   4.5 Points
Loose-ball get    4.5 Points
Goal    8 Points
Behind    1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession)    2 Points
Mark contested (maintaining possession)    6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition)    4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition)    8 Points
Tackles    4 Points
Free kick for    4 Points
Free kick against    -4 Points
Hitout to Advantage    3 Points
This would be great if we could get access to the data and not have the scaling to 3300 points.

4. Ultimate Sports
We can customise a comp to suit our XV's but calculations are limited and personally not in favour.

5. Stadium Sports
Effective    6
Ineffective Kick    -1
Clanger Kick    -8
Effective Handball    2
Ineffective Handball    -1
Handball Clanger    -4
Handball receive    1
Hardball Get    5.5
Loose-Ball get    1
Goal    10
Behind    1
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession)    1
Mark contested (maintaining possession)    8
Mark uncontested (from opposition)    10
Mark contested (from opposition)    20
Tackles    3.5
Free kick for    2
Free kick against    -4
Hitout to advantage    4
Outside 50 Goal    20
Running bounce    2
Shephard    2
Smother    5
Goal Assist    5
Marks inside 50    3

Found this one that has not been used any where in the xv's. A couple of categories benefits certain types of players eg 10 points per goal, 20 points for goal outside 50 metres and 20 points for a contested mark from opposition.

Have not considered Sportsbet due to the big anomoly in points for goals 12 which would skew our comp and the fact Asians use it..

Please feel free to offer suggestions, pros and cons, other alternatives. If Sportal have not advised anything by end of next week we will have to make a decision which way to go.

Remember this is your competition not mine so I really want all possibilities explored before making a decision.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 01, 2014, 07:13:47 pm
I like SC, but that's only because it would favour my team massively.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 01, 2014, 07:17:02 pm
I am not too keen on changing but if it needs to be done, probably Real DT. Think it's the fairest.

But hopefully Sportal isn't done :-\
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 01, 2014, 07:44:59 pm
SC would seem like it would help ye ol Badgers out the most.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 01, 2014, 10:38:30 pm
"scaling to 3300 points." is what bothers me about SC
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 02, 2014, 09:07:53 am
All the people not in favour of Supercoach scoring can you please come up with a suggestion as what you think is the best way to go.

If we go with Real DT, all the spud players(key forwards/Backs) that were okay in Supercoach/Sportal are no longer relevant.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 02, 2014, 09:35:11 am
If I had to pick an option other than Sportal, it'd be Supecoach.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 02, 2014, 12:10:45 pm
Why do we think that there won't be any sportal next year?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 02, 2014, 12:36:40 pm
All the people not in favour of Supercoach scoring can you please come up with a suggestion as what you think is the best way to go.

If we go with Real DT, all the spud players(key forwards/Backs) that were okay in Supercoach/Sportal are no longer relevant.

Key forwards and backs are useless in sportal?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 02, 2014, 01:45:45 pm
All the people not in favour of Supercoach scoring can you please come up with a suggestion as what you think is the best way to go.

If we go with Real DT, all the spud players(key forwards/Backs) that were okay in Supercoach/Sportal are no longer relevant.

Key forwards and backs are useless in sportal?

In Dreamteam they are ..well most are. That's why im not in favour of having dreamteam scoring. Is that not what i wrote ?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 02, 2014, 02:36:37 pm
Im saying they are usless in sportal just like dt? Forwards/Defenders/Rucks in sportal score similar to DT amd mids score similar to SC
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 02, 2014, 02:51:09 pm
Im saying they are usless in sportal just like dt? Forwards/Defenders/Rucks in sportal score similar to DT amd mids score similar to SC
To be honest i haven't really looked into it and cant be bothered trying to justify it either, thought they scored a bit better in Sportal than DT.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 02, 2014, 03:34:03 pm
Im saying they are usless in sportal just like dt? Forwards/Defenders/Rucks in sportal score similar to DT amd mids score similar to SC
To be honest i haven't really looked into it and cant be bothered trying to justify it either, thought they scored a bit better in Sportal than DT.
No. They don't score better in sportal to DT
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 02, 2014, 03:39:04 pm
Let's quickly have a re-draft , that will fix it    ;D

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 02, 2014, 06:17:36 pm
Regarding SC scoring to avoid scailing what if we took a screenshot of the scores as soon as they are on the score page which I think are pre scaled right?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 02, 2014, 06:34:28 pm
Regarding SC scoring to avoid scailing what if we took a screenshot of the scores as soon as they are on the score page which I think are pre scaled right?
Could work if you're on all weekend
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 02, 2014, 06:42:20 pm
Regarding SC scoring to avoid scailing what if we took a screenshot of the scores as soon as they are on the score page which I think are pre scaled right?
Could work if you're on all weekend
Yeah bit hard if you check the scores late on Sunday night.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 02, 2014, 06:50:15 pm
Regarding SC scoring to avoid scailing what if we took a screenshot of the scores as soon as they are on the score page which I think are pre scaled right?
Could work if you're on all weekend
Yeah bit hard if you check the scores late on Sunday night.

I meant the ones that or on FF live scores as soon as the games finished

I'm sure one of us would be on after every game
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 02, 2014, 06:58:14 pm
Thought of this KB but would really require diligence to do for each game.  Some games are upscaled quickly whereas others are sacled more slowly.  Again this is manual and can be open to error. Do not want to dismiss the idea completely but a possibility if we can get commitment for immediate screen shots.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 02, 2014, 08:37:59 pm
Have added Stadium sports to the first post for comparisons as well. This system mids will still outscore other players but half backs with good disposal will also score well.

Still awaiting some response from Sportal as well so continue discussing merits in here. Enjoyed reading the discussion.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 02, 2014, 08:44:55 pm
Not against using Stadium.

I mean, it is different and isn't being used by another XVs comp.

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 03, 2014, 03:08:25 pm
We may not need. Before I read your post Ringo regarding emails, I figured that was the smart way to go. The response i got

"The new Sportal AFL Fantasy game for 2014 will be launching soon. Please keep an eye out on the website for it and we'll also send an email to our past layers to inform them when it launches."
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 03, 2014, 03:33:28 pm
Just received the same response so we wait

"The new Sportal AFL Fantasy game for 2014 will be launching soon. Please keep an eye out on the website for it and we'll also send an email to our past payers to inform them when it launches"

So I will be checking website daily and then keeping you informed.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 03, 2014, 06:04:47 pm
Awesome news   :)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 04, 2014, 03:08:01 am
Great, hopefully they run Sportal. I really don't see a solution that won't skew the competition to be brutally honest so really hope Sportal gets up again!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 07, 2014, 08:30:48 pm
Looks like Sportal will be following Real DT as I received an email inviting me to join their comp and when I went in took me straight to Real DT.

So please give opinions here as to whether you want to run Real DT this year for British.  One benefit is there are no other teams using real DT so we would be still unique and would make admin a little easier
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 07, 2014, 08:32:26 pm
me sad :'(

i guess real dt makes sense
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 07, 2014, 08:33:16 pm
As previously stated, I'm not fussed.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 07, 2014, 08:49:31 pm
i like SC better but because no other comp is doing real dt i think we should do that maybe
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: CrowsFan on February 07, 2014, 08:53:15 pm
Just jumping in here. If you do SC then it almost become an exact replica of Worlds considering both comps also have 18 teams in them. Just some food for thought ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 07, 2014, 08:54:07 pm
Just jumping in here. If you do SC then it almost become an exact replica of Worlds considering both comps also have 18 teams in them. Just some food for thought ;)

yeah we know lol  :o we don't have many options
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Master Q on February 07, 2014, 11:08:25 pm
#deathofthebritish
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 07, 2014, 11:15:28 pm
real dt then i guess.... at least it remains unique...

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 08, 2014, 07:31:21 am
Real dt is same scoring as afl fantasy and euros?

I think we should try neither a an excel lookup thing or stadium sports
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 08:09:07 am
Can we really have some comments on whether to use Stadium Sports over Real DT.

As JB rightly points out Real DT scoring is exactly the same as AFL which is used by Euros.

Also if any one used Stadium Sports last year can they advise if after match scores are available for all players as I will require this if we go down this track.

The Stadium Sports scoring is listed on the front page for information and whilst it has a lot of similarities to Sportal there are a couple of categories that assist certain types of players that may not have been taken into consideration.  My concern being 10 points per goal and the 20 points for goal outside 50. Also 5 points for goal assists.  So you see the long kickers of the game who can kick goals from outside 50 Rich and Hanley from Brisbane are 2 become more valuable players in this comp. This advantage however may be outweighed by the penalty points involved as well.

Anyway lets have some open discussion on Stadium Sports v Real DT and I will put out a vote next week to make final decision.

Importing CD data into an excel spreadsheet does not look like being possible and entering data manually will be time consuming so proabaly will not go down this path at this time.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 08, 2014, 08:47:43 am
Instead of entering data from CD could you do it from the Afl website?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 09:26:43 am
Instead of entering data from CD could you do it from the Afl website?
Thanks JB but still a lot of Manual work but doable.  Just had a look at last years grand final and will have to use Advanced Stats and it has taken 15 minutes to enter all manually.  It has all the stats we require to run Sportal. It is not a simple cut and paste unfortunately as you get data that corrupts look up tables but will do some work on it as I may be able to use delineators to change it into format that works rather than enter each category manually.  Also will investigate whether I can do a macro to run each week but really do not trust a complicated macro,

Main problem and have to get it right from start is that I must have to columns identical for it too work, Will rely on teams being lodged in a specific format each week eg Jordan Lewis not Lewis Jordan or Jordie Lewis for example. (Can be fixed though but would make job easier).

Keep the discussion coming.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 08, 2014, 09:47:44 am
I am very open to whatever system we use and am conscious of not trying to overload Ringo with extra work related to maintaing stats etc. So if that decision comes to stadium sports ok.

I am also open to some other tweaking of the scoring and using ultimate footy as a platform?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 08, 2014, 10:10:20 am

I'd say Stadium Sports - unique, and sure it will benefit some more than others, but that's just luck.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 08, 2014, 10:36:31 am
What do you think the chances are of m0nty helping us out here and adding a Sportal scoring system to the list ?

Im assuming he has formulas to work out the scores.

Below he has scores for lots of different comps.


(http://imageshack.com/a/img543/1200/ijuh.png)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 10:43:01 am
Will not help us FF as Sportal will be using Real DT stats which will be the same as DT as scoring is the same. m0nty takes the score straight from the source, 

Personally I am leaning towards Stadium Sports but do not want to influence the decision one way or the other but just giving you my thoughts on it.  Will maintain a unique scoring system as well with out the complications of trying to do Sportals previous scoring system via excel spreadsheets, lookups and macros. But as I said will work with what the majority decide.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 08, 2014, 10:45:54 am
Will not help us FF as Sportal will be using Real DT stats which will be the same as DT as scoring is the same. m0nty takes the score straight from the source, 

Personally I am leaning towards Stadium Sports but do not want to influence the decision one way or the other but just giving you my thoughts on it.  Will maintain a unique scoring system as well with out the complications of trying to do Sportals previous scoring system via excel spreadsheets, lookups and macros. But as I said will work with what the majority decide.

Okay i didn't think he took the score straight from the source  :(

Thought maybe he had a formula for each scoring system that calculated their scores through the stats at championship data.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 08, 2014, 11:04:24 am
Im leaning towards Stadium Sports.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 08, 2014, 11:31:16 am
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,89386.msg1280636.html#msg1280636

Stadium Sports is pay to play ?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 11:32:23 am
Yeah, Stadium looks the go now.

If we pick SC, we're WXVs 2.0
If we pick AF/DT, we're EXVs 2.0

Stadium scoring isn't used and it's certainly a bit different.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 11:56:19 am
Mmm, I agree.

Could we not just use Stadium and manually figure out goals which won't be difficult?

Just check who scored and give them the normal goal instead of the ridiculous 10 & 20.

It avoids mass skewing over the entire system.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 08, 2014, 11:57:18 am
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,89386.msg1280636.html#msg1280636

Stadium Sports is pay to play ?

Problem is i wont be paying just to access scores
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 12:05:27 pm
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,89386.msg1280636.html#msg1280636

Stadium Sports is pay to play ?

Problem is i wont be paying just to access scores
Don't worry, you're not alone.

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 08, 2014, 12:09:22 pm
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,89386.msg1280636.html#msg1280636

Stadium Sports is pay to play ?

Problem is i wont be paying just to access scores
Don't worry, you're not alone.
Seems like every time we find a way to carry on something flowers it up  :(
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 12:20:11 pm
Will wait and see what cost is and whether it is for all or only certain parts.  Suspect it may be for certain areas but will wait announcement.

Happy to use the scoring system as it is Vinny if we go that way.  If we go to Stadium Sports there will be another trade period when decided to allow for team adjustments.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 12:32:02 pm
Aright I don't mind :)

Is there anyway to check what our players avg using that system now?

Could someone link me to this site or something?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2014, 12:32:20 pm
What's the scoring for stadium sports? Can't see it on first page
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 08, 2014, 12:37:51 pm
Aright I don't mind :)

Is there anyway to check what our players avg using that system now?

Could someone link me to this site or something?

https://stadiumsport.com/stats

I`m logged in vinny not sure if you will be able to see it
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 08, 2014, 12:44:21 pm
What's the scoring for stadium sports? Can't see it on first page

https://stadiumsport.com/rules
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 12:44:57 pm
Alright thanks LF, I'm in.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 01:02:19 pm
What's the scoring for stadium sports? Can't see it on first page
Forgot to Bold when I added but 5 on front page KB.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2014, 01:05:33 pm
I don't mind it not completely against it anyway least it's unique

I think you should send a vote out

If more then half are against need to go back to the drawing board
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 08, 2014, 01:15:33 pm
If you vote against Stadium Sports then you need to offer up alternatives. Not leave the work to the few that always put in.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2014, 01:22:22 pm
If you vote against Stadium Sports then you need to offer up alternatives. Not leave the work to the few that always put in.

Yep or your vote does not count :D
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 01:29:05 pm
I agree. Although I think most will be for Stadium Sports.

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 08, 2014, 01:38:23 pm
Im good with stadium sports, but if we have to pay...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 02:03:16 pm
What is stadium sports?
It will take you two minutes to read through the last few pages of the thread.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 02:07:41 pm
Trust Torp, hahah.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 02:10:03 pm
Trust Torp, hahah.
LF linked it like 7 posts above his, and the scoring sytem is in the OP.

I don't even.  :o
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 08, 2014, 03:37:21 pm
flowerin lift Torp.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 08, 2014, 04:10:43 pm
Haven't been able to check much over the past few days guys, PC been playing up. Sorry  :( Reading up on all of this now.  :P Excuse my past ignorance.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 04:14:07 pm
Haven't been able to check much over the past few days guys, PC been playing up. Sorry  :( Reading up on all of this now.  :P Excuse my past ignorance.
Haha all good mate, just messing around.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 08, 2014, 04:22:42 pm
I'm not joking, this is pathetic.









Jokes, ily :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 04:45:33 pm
Liverpool Rams Best XV with rounded 2013 Stadium averages.

D: B.Houli, S.D.Thompson, B.Goodes, S.Wright
M: D.Heppell, A.Treloar, H.Bennell, T.Curren
R: T.Goldstein
F: B.Harvey, M.Walters, T.Cloke, L.Thomas
U: L.Dunstan, L.Johnston

Houli (123), Thompson (132), Goodes (115), Wright (69)
Heppell (110), Treloar (115), Bennell (107), Curren (88)
Goldstein (122)
Harvey (134), Walters (110), Cloke (125), Thomas (92)
Armfield (72), Johnston (97)

Total = 1611

NB: Armfield subbed in for Dunstan since he played last season and averaged similar to what I predict Dunstan to average. Dunstan is still best XV.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 08, 2014, 05:00:51 pm
Swansea best xv with stadium sports averages rounded up

DEF: Mitchell Golby (91), Lachie Henderson (118), Colin Garland (101) , Heath Shaw(130)
MID: Daniel Rich (103), Joel Selwood (150), Leigh Montagna (142), Brent Moloney (101)
RUCK: Matthew Lobbe (99)
FWD: Adam Goodes (108), Cyril Rioli (107), Eddie Betts (90), Josh J Kennedy(126)
UTIL: Koby Stevens (91); Adam Cooney (127)

Total: 1684
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 05:04:37 pm
Wow does that mean Rams and Owls are kind of close to a Top 4 side or Swansea is now a bottom 4 side?! :o

Everyone do their team! :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 08, 2014, 05:06:36 pm
Wow does that mean Rams and Owls are kind of close to a Top 4 side or Swansea is now a bottom 4 side?! :o

Everyone do their team! :P
Our Average score is higher than the rams  ???
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 05:08:25 pm
I think the top teams will be scoring about 1800-1900 considering everybody in their best XV should be averaging at least 100 (considering how high Stadium scores are).

Still, to be only 75 or so points behind the Breakers who finished 4th is awesome considering we were wooden spooners. Although, as I have said before, the team was already semi-decent and probably would have finished higher if monstrum named the team every week.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 05:08:32 pm
It's 70 points off. :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 08, 2014, 05:14:26 pm
How can I do my team Vin?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 05:15:56 pm
Just bear in mind that competition is head to head and as Badgers found out last year you can finish top on points and averages but still only finish 4th.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 05:16:50 pm
This link shows you all the averages, just search the names of each of your best XV players and then add em up. :)

https://stadiumsport.com/stats
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 08, 2014, 05:21:21 pm
i am all for stadium, but the whole cost thing might be too much, since i will already have dt and scgold?

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 05:31:46 pm
If there is a cost we may have to review but I am happy to pay to get all data as i played Match Day last year and may do so again this year. They may have something like SC where the basic is free but you have to pay for add ons. or that is what I am hoping.

Will probably send out a vote tomorrow as this has been a very profitable discussion thanks to all.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 06:51:24 pm
I might be off but from a 2min calculation, I've got the Badgers at 1616 :o
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 08, 2014, 06:58:09 pm
That's quite low.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 08, 2014, 07:00:27 pm
Exactly :o
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 07:24:03 pm
Just a reminder you can not just look at overall averages either as you need to look at head to head>

I have looked at the Badgers and who I consider to be their Top 10 have a Total of 1216 so suspect the other 5 will add another 4/500 so expect 1650 say so not too bad.  This is the problem when you take averages as most teams will come out between 1650 and 1700.

To show what I mean in Badgers:
Minson Average 128 Last game 146 last 5 game average 143.9 last 3 146.8
So just pointing out there is a vast difference between average and actuals over the last games which assists in head to head and also in overall scores.
Dal Santo is similar if you look at stats.

So it goes back to how you team performs each week in head to head,
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 07:26:47 pm
I don't think people are doing this so much as to rank themselves in the comp as much as they are seeing how they could perform with the likely scoring system (Stadium).

Or I could just be completely wrong...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 07:49:07 pm
Apologize if I am reading the thread wrong but just going by the comment on the Badgers. As I said most teams will average between 1650 and 1700 from my quick calculations.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: CrowsFan on February 08, 2014, 08:16:14 pm
Thought I would pop in again. If you think the majority of teams will average between 1650 and 1700 can I transfer my Pumas team to the comp? It would average 1875 ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 08:17:18 pm
Thought I would pop in again. If you think the majority of teams will average between 1650 and 1700 can I transfer my Pumas team to the comp? It would average 1875 ;)
You can leave now.  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2014, 08:19:07 pm
Thought I would pop in again. If you think the majority of teams will average between 1650 and 1700 can I transfer my Pumas team to the comp? It would average 1875 ;)
You can leave now.  :P

adios amigo
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: specky92 on February 08, 2014, 09:03:31 pm
Badgers! The team on everyone's lips,  ;)

McKenzie (117), Hanley (115), Mackie (114), Waters (108)

Griffen (144), Barlow (132), Cotchin (126), Dal Santo (117)

Minson (128)

Mayne (118), Darling (100), White (97), Lynch (95)

Prestia (116), Judd (112)

Average: 1739

Average with Griffen as captain: 1883

 sit down HB, 8)  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 08, 2014, 09:06:51 pm
Thanks Specky was going to say my projections were based on a look at the top 5 from each team and made some incorrect assumptions based on next 10 but still think most teams will be close.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 08, 2014, 09:33:42 pm
Poor Hedgehogs, despite how young we are and after marginally losing the Granny this season, look set to drop off.

Damn you sportal!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2014, 09:36:25 pm
Poor Hedgehogs, despite how young we are and after marginally losing the Granny this season, look set to drop off.

Damn you sportal!
#cut4hedgehogs
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 08, 2014, 09:45:27 pm
Badgers ripped off

#cut4badgers
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 08, 2014, 11:28:36 pm
Corey Enright averaging 130 :O
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 09, 2014, 06:51:12 am
That is the one thing that is standing out here that solid defenders are rewarded Enright, Glass and Patful are 3 that are scoring reasonably well and above expectations,
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 09, 2014, 06:57:41 am
That is the one thing that is standing out here that solid defenders are rewarded Enright, Glass and Patful are 3 that are scoring reasonably well and above expectations,
Yeah, Patful averages more than Golby lol

Edit: Patful had 114 marks last season (most at the lions) and most of them were probably intercepted and/or contested marks, explaining where the points came from.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 09, 2014, 03:09:10 pm
delisted Glass

facepalm
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 09, 2014, 03:24:35 pm
Picked up Glass in TX.

WINNING.


For one year :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 09, 2014, 04:43:41 pm
Picked up Glass in TX.

WINNING.


For one year :P
Shame TX isnt going to stadium sports :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 09, 2014, 04:44:55 pm
Wow 102. hahaha.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 09, 2014, 05:19:11 pm
Enright (130), Broadbent 95, Mitchell 124 , Reid 105

Beams 133, Sidebottom 135, Johnson 146, Armitage 112

Kreuzer 111

Wingard 121, Breust 105, Sylvia 98, Riewoldt 127

Bastinac 109, Mcpharlin 102

1753 and 1899 with SJ captain. Sit down specky :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 09, 2014, 05:23:08 pm
Enright (130), Broadbent 95, Mitchell 124 , Reid 105

Beams 133, Sidebottom 135, Johnson 146, Armitage 112

Kreuzer 111

Wingard 121, Breust 105, Sylvia 98, Riewoldt 127

Bastinac 109, Mcpharlin 102

1753 and 1899 with SJ captain. Sit down specky :P
#cut4Badgers
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 09, 2014, 05:47:04 pm
#cut4Hedgehogsmore

2nd by a couple of points -> bottom 4.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: PowerBug on February 09, 2014, 08:35:16 pm
I believe I currently own Darren Glass right?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 09, 2014, 08:37:42 pm
According to my records you do PB.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: PowerBug on February 09, 2014, 08:41:05 pm
wooooo, go me. #wasplanned

I've been reading all this talk regarding the scoring system but that was my first post in this topic lol.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 09, 2014, 09:18:48 pm
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,89386.msg1277913/boardseen.html#new
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 07:37:55 am
Was advised of this KB but if this vote gets up and if we have to pay for scoring I will be removing the Score update bonus as not everyone will want to pay which is fair.

Wait till we see wait we have to pay for first.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 10, 2014, 12:53:03 pm
For your info Ringo

So I wrote this to Stadium Sport

 Good luck with that i know of several people including myself that played last year that will not be back and several that were going to join that will not now you want to charge people to play AF has match day games I`ll stick to that completely free version

This was their reply
we totally understand it will not be for everyone so that is fine. It is a betting platform not paid to play (which is different). So if 500 people play at $10 to enter, there is $5,000 on that match to win. But we do understand it will not be for everyone

So it looks like they are going to charge money per match not pay upfront and play as many match day games as you want.
Have written back to them asking if this is the case.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 10, 2014, 01:18:55 pm
Does that mean that only the match day games you choose to take part in are pay to play?

Cant wait until they open properly and we can clarify everything!!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 10, 2014, 01:20:43 pm
Conversation with them conitues

Me:So that means you charging per match day game not a straight up fee to play all season then? If so that`s a real rip off

Stadium Sport:No dissimilar to tatts style product or betting product. You pay to bet and win.

Me: So its basically turned into a betting site now not really a fantasy comp anymore then.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 10, 2014, 01:50:51 pm
Latest reply indicates comp will not be up and running for start of the season

Yes that is correct. Becoming popular in the US with FanDuel, Draft Kings etc on the major US comps. No we wont be up for NAB and most likely starting during the AFL season. But when it is up, we have EPL developed as well.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 02:01:06 pm
Thanks to LF for keeping up to date as well.  We are both trying to ascertain if they will have a competition available from Round 1 for us If they do not it will be back to the drawing board with further frustrations for me.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 10, 2014, 02:16:23 pm
A random question, but are we able to enlist Monty on the acquisition of data?

is it within his legal ability to give us the raw data we need?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 10, 2014, 02:37:28 pm
Latest reply from them

No we wont be ready for Rd 1. But we do have a MatchDay, Weekly and a new Daily format.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 02:47:56 pm
So guys we will have to go back to the drawing board, Too good to be true but we can not start a competition after season has started,  Teir reply is still a little ambiguous but can not afford to wait longer.

Please continue to discuss options here and Will send out another vote. Would really like to try and keep a unique competition but may not be possible with ultimate sports the only alternative. May investigate if Ulimate Gold gives any more options.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 10, 2014, 03:04:41 pm

May investigate if Ulimate Gold gives any more options.


Response to the email they sent me when I quizzed them about the extra stats we want to measure.

"Unfortunately we don't have access to these stats due to AFL restrictions. However it's something we might be able to add next season. If you're able to source the stats yourselves then one solution might be to upgrade to a PLUS league and use the Edit Match Results tool each week. This lets you adjust team totals so you can add in the points missing from contested possessions and clangers."

Means if you are happy to do it and can easily access the information it is possible to run it the same via Ultimate

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 10, 2014, 03:07:30 pm
Would it not be possible to set up a speadsheet that we could just copy paste straight into from http://www.afl.com.au/stats

And then using the lookup stuff it would calculate Sportal scores?

Because with those stats you can get every single player for the round and every stat imaginable just need to copy paste if you know how to set the spreadsheet up?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2014, 03:16:20 pm
I am still 100% for the sportal calculator ^ will try help out if needed.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 10, 2014, 03:20:21 pm
Setting up a spreadsheet to calculate everything would be easy.
But it really is a manual process taking the data from that stats page and inputting.
If we could get this data in a friendly form (from someone like Monty) then this removes the manual lookup required.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 10, 2014, 03:26:14 pm
So if we still have ideas, what do we do about the vote?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 03:36:42 pm
Would be dependent on 2 things how quickly AFL updates sites and as I said previously team lodgements would have to match names in AFL.

There is a bit of Manual work involved but not too much. Would prefer for coaches to check own as well as a double check on my formulae.

For any one who is an excel guru this is how I see it working.

1. We agree on the stats we want to measure (Will only allow a maximum of 11)
We have 9 atm so here is what we measure
Kick: 3 Points
Handball: 1 Point
Contested Possession: 4 Points - Any possession won in dispute (Contested mark, hardball get, loose all get, free kick for)
Uncontested Possession: 2 Points - Any possession gained from a team mate (uncontested mark, handball receive)
Tackle: 3 Points
Hitout: 1 Point
Clanger: -5 Points - Any blatant unforced error (free kick against, 50m penalty, dropped marks)
Goal: 6 Points
Behind: 1 Point

Not sure what clangers include in AFL stats but think we can add these 2 to get to 11
Free Kicks For
Free Kicks against
and suggesting 2 and - 2 but open to suggestions

2. Each week use Advanced Stats to customize the 11 stats

3. Cut and paste into a spreadsheet  Use Texts to Columns function to separate the number from the player. Necessary to enable lookups to work.

4. Sort the data by player in Ascending alphabetical order - (One of the look ups must be in an ordered state)

5. Use the team Lodgement sheets to look up the 11 stats, create formulae in adjacent cells to calculate score and then total the 11 to get each players score.

6. Total to get Team Total.

If any one has got easier suggestion let me know. (Maybe able to create the one formalu step with look up and calculation but will experiment.)

Keep the discussion coming. Have just experimented a little following JB's suggestion.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 10, 2014, 03:40:09 pm
AFL use the changers as the same as Sportal did. They got their stats from the website
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 03:45:21 pm
But why do the list frees against separately is my concern as no other clanger stats are.  We can just delete those last 2 if all are comfortable.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 10, 2014, 03:50:08 pm
But why do the list frees against separately is my concern as no other clanger stats are.  We can just delete those last 2 if all are comfortable.

Ringo Footywire has clangers stats and many other stats but not sure when they update it after the games.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 10, 2014, 03:55:42 pm
Would be an educated guess that the frees against is taken out of the overall clangers result? As the balance are all possession related.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2014, 03:57:19 pm
Does this help at all? Clangers and FA's are separate.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/S/Scott_Selwood.html
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 04:04:21 pm
Thanks for the advice so would be safe to leave them in.

By customising the advanced stats as I said can be down.  Only issue that i have is there are 10 pages for players so would be 10 cut and pastes to get the full data.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 10, 2014, 04:05:28 pm
Supercoach for me
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 04:11:05 pm
For those that have not caught up voting is suspended as Stadium Sports will not have a competition up for Round 1.

Just working on another alternative as you can see from the posts above and will post out a new vote in the next day or 2.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 10, 2014, 04:12:02 pm
Supercoach for me
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 10, 2014, 04:28:29 pm
Supercoach for me
Yeah seems like a fair bit of work for the calculator, thought it'd be easier.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2014, 04:29:53 pm
Supercoach for me

Yeah... lets not become worlds 2.0
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 04:34:04 pm
Will do some more fiddling tomorrow when my head is a bit more clearer,  This is only based on a few trials today so may be able to look a little deeper.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 10, 2014, 05:16:39 pm
Supercoach for me

Yeah... lets not become worlds 2.0
No choice, Sportal is gone  ;) 
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2014, 05:19:38 pm
Supercoach for me

Yeah... lets not become worlds 2.0
No choice, Sportal is gone  ;)

But there is a possible way round it ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 05:26:55 pm
If anyone of you with excel skills want to play around and advise as well i will appreciate it. Whilst I have sound skills still not in the expert class.  Trying to work out if I can dowload all players straight from the AFL site rather than cutting and pasting 10 pages.  Also looking at what Footywire has as well to bring you all up to date.

Really do not want us to become second rate competitions of Worlds or Euros so will be exploring every possible way of maintaining a unique scoring system for our competition.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 10, 2014, 05:36:20 pm
I could create a spreadsheet pretty quick that would calculate scores. but getting the information into the table is the hard part.

Need the raw data in a spreadsheet or another form I could then convert to spreadsheet.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 10, 2014, 05:38:52 pm
Maybe ossie could help?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 10, 2014, 05:46:31 pm
Wish I could be more helpful, but I don't know the first thing about Excel.  :-\

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 10, 2014, 05:52:12 pm
Just to let you know the only difficult part in my trial and I am working to see if there are any simpler ways is the cut an paste of the AFL data 10 times to get all screens. The rest was reasonable as per my earlier post.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 10, 2014, 09:23:35 pm
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2014, 10:27:49 pm
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair

Explain to me how changing to SS is any different to changing to SC (apart from the fact changing to SS hurt your team and SC helps it.)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 10, 2014, 10:58:46 pm
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair

Explain to me how changing to SS is any different to changing to SC (apart from the fact changing to SS hurt your team and SC helps it.)
I don't know if SC helps it, I just want a scoring system I know.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2014, 11:11:20 pm
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair

Explain to me how changing to SS is any different to changing to SC (apart from the fact changing to SS hurt your team and SC helps it.)
I don't know if SC helps it, I just want a scoring system I know.

Even if it means Worlds 2.0?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 10, 2014, 11:21:12 pm
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair

Explain to me how changing to SS is any different to changing to SC (apart from the fact changing to SS hurt your team and SC helps it.)
I don't know if SC helps it, I just want a scoring system I know.

Even if it means Worlds 2.0?
Fuvk Worlds. I see this as a game where we get scores to play the game. Don't even care if it's the same
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 12:39:55 am
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair

Explain to me how changing to SS is any different to changing to SC (apart from the fact changing to SS hurt your team and SC helps it.)
I don't know if SC helps it, I just want a scoring system I know.

Even if it means Worlds 2.0?
Fuvk Worlds. I see this as a game where we get scores to play the game. Don't even care if it's the same

Beeccaaaussee you're not a worlds coach.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 02:39:00 am
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair

Explain to me how changing to SS is any different to changing to SC (apart from the fact changing to SS hurt your team and SC helps it.)
I don't know if SC helps it, I just want a scoring system I know.

Even if it means Worlds 2.0?
Fuvk Worlds. I see this as a game where we get scores to play the game. Don't even care if it's the same

Beeccaaaussee you're not a worlds coach.

i don't care either lol
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 03:04:19 am
Mere assistants don't count here KB ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 03:48:53 am
Mere assistants don't count here KB ;)

i'm a Co Coach in WXV
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 10:05:46 am
I have had another suggestion put to me to ease the load so thoughts on this one as well.

We take the average score between SC and AF each week.

Eg Swan SC 100  DT 160 Score for British 130. Will be a little bit easier Admin wise and keep the uniqueness as well.

Being selfish here but do not mind this suggestion as there will be little extra work in recording both scores from an Administrative perspective. 
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 10:09:48 am
it's not to bad not totally against it still have the whole scaling issue with SC though
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 11, 2014, 10:11:04 am
Not my favorite suggestion.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 10:23:09 am
Thoughts on just doing our own scoring system? something that can be done on ultimate footy maybe
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 10:36:17 am
I don't mind it tbh. Probably better than new scoring systems. I would like this.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 10:55:07 am
Thoughts on just doing our own scoring system? something that can be done on ultimate footy maybe
Ultimate footy is very limited with what we can do KB already looked at that one but if majority want to go that way then I am OK.  Does not have the clanger factor only frees against and does have the contested possesions and uncontested possessions. 
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 11, 2014, 11:02:01 am
Thoughts on just doing our own scoring system? something that can be done on ultimate footy maybe
Ultimate footy is very limited with what we can do KB already looked at that one but if majority want to go that way then I am OK.  Does not have the clanger factor only frees against and does have the contested possesions and uncontested possessions.

But the ability to adjust scores to include them is there. Plus they may go that way next year?

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 11, 2014, 11:02:46 am
I have had another suggestion put to me to ease the load so thoughts on this one as well.

We take the average score between SC and AF each week.

Eg Swan SC 100  DT 160 Score for British 130. Will be a little bit easier Admin wise and keep the uniqueness as well.

Being selfish here but do not mind this suggestion as there will be little extra work in recording both scores from an Administrative perspective.

For this suggestion I collect all the SC scores anyway, and perhaps the Euro peeps can fill in the DT part...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 11, 2014, 11:19:33 am
I have had another suggestion put to me to ease the load so thoughts on this one as well.

We take the average score between SC and AF each week.

Eg Swan SC 100  DT 160 Score for British 130. Will be a little bit easier Admin wise and keep the uniqueness as well.

Being selfish here but do not mind this suggestion as there will be little extra work in recording both scores from an Administrative perspective.

For this suggestion I collect all the SC scores anyway, and perhaps the Euro peeps can fill in the DT part...

how do you get the scores oss?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 11, 2014, 11:27:02 am
I have had another suggestion put to me to ease the load so thoughts on this one as well.

We take the average score between SC and AF each week.

Eg Swan SC 100  DT 160 Score for British 130. Will be a little bit easier Admin wise and keep the uniqueness as well.

Being selfish here but do not mind this suggestion as there will be little extra work in recording both scores from an Administrative perspective.

For this suggestion I collect all the SC scores anyway, and perhaps the Euro peeps can fill in the DT part...

how do you get the scores oss?

Manually :/ But it doesn't take long.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 11:39:55 am
It would not take me long either to get both SC and DT - Bear in mind it was manual for Sportal last year as well.

The difference with trying to match Sportal from last year we have to download the match stats and then use a macro/formula to calculate all scores.  According to my estimates and the trial I have been playing with I am looking at an additional 3 hours each week compared to last year, But as i said happy to do it if it can be done for whole season (do not trust my macros at times to last 22 weeks with regular running but that is another story) and that is what coaches decide.

If we adopt the average between two it is only a matter of manually entering both scores and having formulae calculate average.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 11:52:05 am
Thoughts on just doing our own scoring system? something that can be done on ultimate footy maybe
This is an interesting idea, and I think it could work.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 12:10:26 pm
Mere assistants don't count here KB ;)

i'm a Co Coach in WXV

But you have to check with Boomz before doing trades? Nah, you're an assistant :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 12:11:13 pm
Thoughts on just doing our own scoring system? something that can be done on ultimate footy maybe
This is an interesting idea, and I think it could work.
As I said earlier will work if you do not mind missing out on 3 of the categories that made Sportal unique - Contested and Uncontested possessions and Clangers. We do have the option of customising scoring within the categories and change values if required.

I have sent up a British xv's League in Ultimate Footy - Could someone who is familiar with Ultimate Footy cast their eye over and see if what I have created will work as I have never done Ultimate footy.  Have set it up as Manual draft as we have drafted our teams already so not sure how that works
 
"Congratulations Doug on creating your team Ringos Stars in league British xvs (#869022)"

We can continue to fiddle if desired.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 12:14:48 pm
Thoughts on just doing our own scoring system? something that can be done on ultimate footy maybe
This is an interesting idea, and I think it could work.
As I said earlier will work if you do not mind missing out on 3 of the categories that made Sportal unique - Contested and Uncontested possessions and Clangers. We do have the option of customising scoring within the categories and change values if required.

I have sent up a British xv's League in Ultimate Footy - Could someone who is familiar with Ultimate Footy cast their eye over and see if what I have created will work as I have never done Ultimate footy.  Have set it up as Manual draft as we have drafted our teams already so not sure how that works
 
"Congratulations Doug on creating your team Ringos Stars in league British xvs (#869022)"

We can continue to fiddle if desired.
Password?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 12:19:00 pm
Is it asking for a password will PM you.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 12:28:43 pm
Okay, I've had a look but as I'm pretty new to UF myself I'm not sure how we can do this.

What we could do is use the scoring system UF has (obviously gonna contain a bit of manual work) and then add in our own scores for certain stats? Unfortunately, we can't add it in to the UF scoring system because they don't allow it.

So we could make CP +4 and UCP +2, Clangers -5 (as it was in Sportal)?


Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 12:44:17 pm
Then Nigey we go back to the having to downlaod the stats from somewhere as well so no real saving in time.. My take is we use Ultimate Sports as is or I keep working on the Sportal system.  That will have to be decided when voting,
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 12:51:00 pm
Then Nigey we go back to the having to downlaod the stats from somewhere as well so no real saving in time.. My take is we use Ultimate Sports as is or I keep working on the Sportal system.  That will have to be decided when voting,
Ah okay... I'd really like to have the use of CP, UCP and clangers if we can...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 11, 2014, 03:19:00 pm
Guys, just thought I'd alert everyone to the fact that Maxims is joining the Magic team as a Co-Coach ( hopefully!).Ringo,lease check your PMs.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 11, 2014, 04:17:49 pm
It's either the old sportal scores or a game we know about.

This other shower is just unpredictable and unfair

Explain to me how changing to SS is any different to changing to SC (apart from the fact changing to SS hurt your team and SC helps it.)
I don't know if SC helps it, I just want a scoring system I know.

Even if it means Worlds 2.0?
Fuvk Worlds. I see this as a game where we get scores to play the game. Don't even care if it's the same
Sorry Ele  :(  but i agree.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 04:29:30 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 04:30:04 pm
Guys, just thought I'd alert everyone to the fact that Maxims is joining the Magic team as a Co-Coach ( hopefully!).Ringo,lease check your PMs.
Onto it Torp vote will go it when the next vote on scoring goes out as well.  been really tied up trying to sort something out and apologise for that.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 04:43:42 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 04:46:29 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.
I hear ya.

Just sell me Mark on your way out.  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 04:50:35 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.
I hear ya.

Just sell me Mark on your way out.  ;)

Haha I'd probably just slide down to assistant and let Spite and Rico takeover :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 04:54:38 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.
I hear ya.

Just sell me Mark on your way out.  ;)
Haha I'd probably just slide down to assistant and let Spite and Rico takeover :P
:(
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 04:55:28 pm
Come on Ele hang around, I'm not in Worlds :(
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 04:58:02 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.

If you do, I will all respect.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 05:03:26 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.

If you do, I will all respect.

Huh?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 05:06:51 pm
I won't be stepping down because I'm unhappy with the decision, I'd only be stepping down because I am already in 7 XVs (modding 2 of those) so don't really see why its crucial that I be in two identical leagues.

And just so you know, I wouldn't step out completely, just back to a lesser role as assistant allowing Spite and Rico to step up.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 05:07:58 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.

If you do, I will all respect.

Huh?
English motherflowerer, do you speak it?  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 05:23:16 pm
If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.

If you do, I will all respect.

Huh?
English motherflowerer, do you speak it?  :P
Lose* :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 05:24:23 pm
I won't be stepping down because I'm unhappy with the decision, I'd only be stepping down because I am already in 7 XVs (modding 2 of those) so don't really see why its crucial that I be in two identical leagues.

And just so you know, I wouldn't step out completely, just back to a lesser role as assistant allowing Spite and Rico to step up.
Please don't tell me Americans and TX?!?!!?!?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 05:29:49 pm
i really think custom scoring on Ultimate Footy is the best way to go

worried this is putting to much stress on Ringo :(
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 05:31:22 pm
I won't be stepping down because I'm unhappy with the decision, I'd only be stepping down because I am already in 7 XVs (modding 2 of those) so don't really see why its crucial that I be in two identical leagues.

And just so you know, I wouldn't step out completely, just back to a lesser role as assistant allowing Spite and Rico to step up.
Please don't tell me Americans and TX?!?!!?!?

All the more reason to not take up a 4th SC comp ::)

If worst comes to worst, and that means becoming Worlds 2.0, then I rather that than have no competition.

I'd be fine for there to still be a comp but I would probably step down as coach. No point being in two identical comps when I'm already involved in 100 others.

If you do, I will all respect.

Huh?
English motherflowerer, do you speak it?  :P
Lose* :P

Oh no!!! I'm devastated!!!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 05:47:38 pm
Change it up so elephants stays!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 05:50:04 pm
Okay I definitly understand as it seems like your doing every XV comp that exists, haha.

But please ditch one of the others ones and stay with us ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 11, 2014, 05:51:46 pm
I'd probably rather an ultimate sports thing to supercoach .
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 05:53:30 pm
Change it up so elephants stays!!!!

::) stop being an idiot.

Okay I definitly understand as it seems like your doing every XV comp that exists, haha.

But please ditch one of the others ones and stay with us ;)

I won't be leaving entirely, just decreasing my role! Don't worry! Haha

I'd probably rather an ultimate sports thing to supercoach .

Same, an Excel calculator would be the best solution though imo.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 11, 2014, 05:57:47 pm
Excel super calculator or if too hard the average of DT + SC
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 11, 2014, 05:58:48 pm
Think im gonna quit, cant be flowered with this shower anymore
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 06:01:57 pm
Think im gonna quit, cant be flowered with this shower anymore

facepalm...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 11, 2014, 06:08:07 pm
Think im gonna quit, cant be flowered with this shower anymore
::)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 06:09:00 pm
Excel super calculator or if too hard the average of DT + SC
I don't mind the DT + SC idea.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 06:09:11 pm
Think im gonna quit, cant be flowered with this shower anymore
Trust...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 06:10:47 pm
The average of DT and SC option, as I told Ringo in chat this afternoon, is probably the best way to go.

We can't be slammed for using another comp's scoring system now can we?  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 06:14:23 pm
What do we call it... DreamCoach? SuperTeam? :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 06:15:32 pm
What do we call it... DreamCoach? SuperTeam? :P
whatlez
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 06:16:12 pm
What do we call it... DreamCoach? SuperTeam? :P
DreamSuperTeamCoach
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 06:16:55 pm
What do we call it... DreamCoach? SuperTeam? :P
whatlez
Hahahaha for some reason I crack up everyone time you talk about yourself in third person.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 11, 2014, 06:21:27 pm
What do we call it... DreamCoach? SuperTeam? :P

or

British XVs ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 06:22:56 pm
What do we call it... DreamCoach? SuperTeam? :P

or

British XVs ;)
Okay, JB wins.  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 06:32:35 pm
Ok let's just settle it do the average thing
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 06:33:02 pm
Ok let's just settle it do the average thing
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 06:35:05 pm
Yeah I agree haha. So we going to have that extra 3 movement period thingy?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 07:02:58 pm
Let's wait for ringo to make his call Vinward ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 07:04:27 pm
Haha alright :(
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 07:10:52 pm
Yeah I agree haha. So we going to have that extra 3 movement period thingy?
No.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 07:12:17 pm
Yeah I agree haha. So we going to have that extra 3 movement period thingy?
No.

Let's wait for ringo to make his call Vinward ;)


Come on Lez.  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 07:26:39 pm
OK Guys these are the three options that will be going out for vote and I will summarise here.  SC and Dt are not options imo if we are to have a unique competition.

 Apologise for being absent in the last hour or so but also working on simplifying spreadsheet option.

These are the final options that we will be voting on as detailed below:

Option 1. Continue with existing Sportal scoring system using downloads and spreadsheets to calculate scores based on the scoring system. Adopting this option will mean patience on all coaches part as data is collected and dowloaded and then scores calculated. Scoring update bonus will no longer apply and trading period will finish 2 days after voting has closed if this is option is winner.

Option 2. Use the customised Ultimate Sports scoring system. This scoring system does not allow for Contested Possessions, Uncontested Possessions or Clangers which are one of the reasons we really like Sportal. If this gets up with vote we will have a further 1 week trade period with movement revisions 3 extra movements for the period over and above any existing movements left.

Option 3. We use both the SC scores and AF/DT Scores take the average of the 2 as the players score. Still maintains the uniqueness of our comp as we are taking both Fantasy Competitions into consideration and taking an average.  Not overly difficult to administer compared to maintaining Sportal. Should this option get up in the vote there will be a further trade period of week with movement revisions 3 extra movements for the period over and above any existing movements left.

Competition will still be BXV's and this decision will now be final and I will abide it even if 1 gets up with the work involved which I am happy to do.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 11, 2014, 07:45:14 pm
Which are you voting for Ringo?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 07:46:02 pm
yeah Ringo your preferred option? option 1 is the best but i think it's up to you
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: specky92 on February 11, 2014, 07:53:37 pm
I think option 1 is ideal, but would require a lot of work on ringo's behalf, I'd love option 1 but I feel like it would be fairly stressful every week for ringo and I'd rather a different option with ringo as admin than the sportal option with a different admin every month because the job is too much, having said that I really don't know exactly how much work would go into option 1
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 08:04:38 pm
OK Guys Option 1 will only be an issue if I am away from the computer as I have found it may be easier to download the stats after each game. Should be able to have results up by Monday afternoon each week.

Will mean however I may not be able to do my match write ups.

If we go down Option one there will be no rolling lockouts due to work involved and all teams will be required to be locked at bounce of first game of the round.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 08:06:55 pm
I think option 3...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 08:08:01 pm
that sounds ok mate

and if we have to wait another day for results then no stress

what about bonus points if coaches do there own match previews?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 08:09:22 pm
that sounds ok mate

and if we have to wait another day for results then no stress

what about bonus points if coaches do there own match previews?
Bonus points for previews/reviews is almost like Oss' membership points idea in WXVs which I thought was pretty lame.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 08:10:04 pm
I'm not a fan of that to be honest KB, some of us don't have time for them.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: specky92 on February 11, 2014, 08:10:58 pm
I like option 1 then but if it gets to a point where it's too difficult we might need a back up plan?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 08:11:24 pm
that sounds ok mate

and if we have to wait another day for results then no stress

what about bonus points if coaches do there own match previews?
Bonus points for previews/reviews is almost like Oss' membership points idea in WXVs which I thought was pretty lame.

lol i spent ages winning the membership polls each week only to get the idea scrapped so annoyed
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 11, 2014, 08:12:22 pm
if you are ok with the workload, i am for option 1.

no issues waiting a bit
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 08:16:04 pm
Option 1 is definitely my preference I'd that's fine with you Ringo. And like kb said, its not big deal waiting a few days for results. Even if we have to wait the week its doesn't matter. Whether or not your team won the previous week shouldn't have any real bearing on the following weeks team selection.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 11, 2014, 08:17:01 pm
Yeah I agree on Option 1.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 08:19:39 pm
Option 1 is definitely my preference I'd that's fine with you Ringo. And like kb said, its not big deal waiting a few days for results. Even if we have to wait the week its doesn't matter. Whether or not your team won the previous week shouldn't have any real bearing on the following weeks team selection.
Dunno, I like to be cut-throat at the selection table. Non-performers can be axed.  :o

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 08:22:38 pm
Option 1 is definitely my preference I'd that's fine with you Ringo. And like kb said, its not big deal waiting a few days for results. Even if we have to wait the week its doesn't matter. Whether or not your team won the previous week shouldn't have any real bearing on the following weeks team selection.

i'm not arguing just pointing out it's about what each player scored not if your team won

as long as results are up by lockout it's fine
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2014, 08:24:18 pm
Option 1 is definitely my preference I'd that's fine with you Ringo. And like kb said, its not big deal waiting a few days for results. Even if we have to wait the week its doesn't matter. Whether or not your team won the previous week shouldn't have any real bearing on the following weeks team selection.
Dunno, I like to be cut-throat at the selection table. Non-performers can be axed.  :o

Based on your personal viewing and their DT/SC scores you should have some idea how they scored ;) besides, the stats are available to everyone so if you're feeling really brutal you can add up the scores of those non-performers and axe them at will :P

Same goes for your comment KB ^
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 08:26:57 pm
Option 1 is definitely my preference I'd that's fine with you Ringo. And like kb said, its not big deal waiting a few days for results. Even if we have to wait the week its doesn't matter. Whether or not your team won the previous week shouldn't have any real bearing on the following weeks team selection.
Dunno, I like to be cut-throat at the selection table. Non-performers can be axed.  :o

Based on your personal viewing and their DT/SC scores you should have some idea how they scored ;) besides, the stats are available to everyone so if you're feeling really brutal you can add up the scores of those non-performers and axe them at will :P

Same goes for your comment KB ^
Don't worry, not like I'll be acting on my words.

I don't exactly have the depth to be so ruthless.  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 08:27:40 pm
Unless specifically requested I will not be providing all players scores for each team for each week. Will add to tome taken to provide results as Board does not allow cut and paste of excel into thread so more manipulations required.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2014, 08:29:02 pm
Unless specifically requested I will not be providing all players scores for each team for each week. Will add to tome taken to provide results as Board does not allow cut and paste of excel into thread so more manipulations required.

yeah was wondering about that but we can just look at stats ourselves to see how our depth players went
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 11, 2014, 08:31:55 pm
Unless specifically requested I will not be providing all players scores for each team for each week. Will add to tome taken to provide results as Board does not allow cut and paste of excel into thread so more manipulations required.

yeah was wondering about that but we can just look at stats ourselves to see how our depth players went
Yeah, we're not expecting that much from you Ringo. If we're after that stuff, we can do that part ourselves.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 11, 2014, 08:32:46 pm
Any chance you can provide the spreadsheet to us so we can work our own out if we so chose?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2014, 08:54:44 pm
Still trying to sort it out JB May give a tutorial though here how to do it yourself.  Have it worked out on paper but just need to test it when i get some real data.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 11, 2014, 09:17:57 pm
I would like option 3. I don't want the admin doing twice the work when the lower scoring will make it a closer comp and would make us a lot more competitive in the World cup etc.

In saying that, for the sake of the Badgers, option 1 would be ideal 8)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 12, 2014, 07:38:28 am
Unless specifically requested I will not be providing all players scores for each team for each week. Will add to tome taken to provide results as Board does not allow cut and paste of excel into thread so more manipulations required.

yeah was wondering about that but we can just look at stats ourselves to see how our depth players went
If however you have specicific requests about a couple of players on your list I will be able to answer requests via PM if that suits as well.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 12, 2014, 08:37:40 am

Just showing my appreciation for Ringo...

Vote 1 for Ringo - God of Awesome.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 13, 2014, 09:36:51 am
Can coaches who have not voted please do so ASAP. Only 11 coaches voted so far and 2 options are very close together so would like to see all given the opportunity to have a say.

If any one can contact Jukes and get a vote from him I will accept a PM.

We have 3 teams without a coach as well so effectively we are seeking 15 votes. However if Tabs or Colliwobblers wish to have a say please PM me.

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 13, 2014, 09:59:02 am
Can coaches who have not voted please do so ASAP. Only 11 coaches voted so far and 2 options are very close together so would like to see all given the opportunity to have a say.

If any one can contact Jukes and get a vote from him I will accept a PM.

We have 3 teams without a coach as well so effectively we are seeking 15 votes. However if Tabs or Colliwobblers wish to have a say please PM me.
Maybe PM his assistant Kellogscrunchynut on his behalf.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 13, 2014, 10:00:09 am

I'd also have no problem with Ringo having the deciding vote if it is close

(btw - believe I have replied.. I hope!)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 13, 2014, 11:37:18 am

I'd also have no problem with Ringo having the deciding vote if it is close


Concur
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 13, 2014, 09:13:02 pm
OK only Grope Lane Giants left to vote so will give till tomorrow to vote and then announce results - too tight to announce even with Nails to vote and do not want to influence his vote.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 14, 2014, 10:25:55 am
Why do people drag their feet with this? Nails has been on and around the last two days. Not voting within the time line if you have logged into FF should be part of the coaching assessment.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 14, 2014, 10:37:21 am
Why do people drag their feet with this? Nails has been on and around the last two days. Not voting within the time line if you have logged into FF should be part of the coaching assessment.

agreed, and well known he does not check messages
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 14, 2014, 10:55:17 am
Sack Nails. Bring in a new coach that makes the effort to vote.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 14, 2014, 10:57:24 am
Sack Nails. Bring in a new coach that makes the effort to vote.
And Lez.  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 14, 2014, 11:05:12 am
Sack Nails. Bring in a new coach that makes the effort to vote.
And Lez.  :P

Still not sure if Lez was just being lazy or aggravating on purpose!!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 14, 2014, 11:06:27 am
Sack Nails. Bring in a new coach that makes the effort to vote.
And Lez.  :P

Still not sure if Lez was just being lazy or aggravating on purpose!!
A combination of both! Aggravating us by being lazy!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 14, 2014, 01:41:39 pm
Good afternoon all.

We now have votes in and I am happy to advise that Option 3 is your preferred option after voting.

Option 3. We use both the SC scores and AF/DT Scores take the average of the 2 as the players score. Still maintains the uniqueness of our comp as we are taking both Fantasy Competitions into consideration and taking an average.  Should this option get up in the vote there will be a further trade period of week with movement revisions 3 extra movements for the period over and above any existing movements left.

This option won 9 to 8 over option 1 so we will be going with the average of SC and DT.

I will be keeping a record of the Sportal scoring system and if a suitable system comes up for next year will  relook at it. If I have time will also keep working on the spreadsheet idea to see if it can be improved as vote was so close. If others want to experiment as well feel free as there is no obligation now.

Watch the British announcement thread for revised conditions and time lines.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 14, 2014, 01:50:16 pm
Awesome news!  :D
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 14, 2014, 01:55:20 pm

Cheers Ringo, I can lessen some of your work as I record the SC scores anyway. So if you focus on DT should be apples.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 14, 2014, 01:57:02 pm
Thanks Ringo. Now off to do some calculations!! LOL
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 14, 2014, 04:30:44 pm
Hmm I didn't even vote for option 2. Oh well I like option too :D
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 16, 2014, 11:24:23 pm
Is there 17 teams in British? I thought there were less?

Regardless, stoked to have a result! Let's trade 8)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 16, 2014, 11:49:50 pm
Is there 17 teams in British? I thought there were less?

Regardless, stoked to have a result! Let's trade 8)
18. Ringo didn't vote.e
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 16, 2014, 11:54:08 pm
Is there 17 teams in British? I thought there were less?

Regardless, stoked to have a result! Let's trade 8)
18. Ringo didn't vote.e

Oh, ok!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2014, 07:14:45 am
Just a slight clarification to above.

There are 18 teams in British,  I gave coaches of the teams  given up the opportunity to vote which they did.  Nrich voted on behalf of the breakers and Jukes was the only coach not voting due to a ban.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 17, 2014, 09:29:45 am
Just a slight clarification to above.

There are 18 teams in British,  I gave coaches of the teams  given up the opportunity to vote which they did.  Nrich voted on behalf of the breakers and Jukes was the only coach not voting due to a ban.
Jukes isn't banned and posting regularly?

http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,87381.60.html
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 17, 2014, 09:32:33 am
Just a slight clarification to above.

There are 18 teams in British,  I gave coaches of the teams  given up the opportunity to vote which they did.  Nrich voted on behalf of the breakers and Jukes was the only coach not voting due to a ban.
Jukes isn't banned and posting regularly?

http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,87381.60.html

His ban is finished now, but during the voting period he was banned.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2014, 10:30:44 am
Beat me to it Oss should have clarified whilst voting was open he was banned and KCN did vote on his behalf on rechecking votes.  Hoods were the only team not to vote.  Sorry for my error in the quickness of the reply.

Note to self check before opeining mouth in replies.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 20, 2014, 05:16:55 pm
http://fantasyafl.sportal.com.au/

Is open :o
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 20, 2014, 05:20:07 pm
lol hits head against wall
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 20, 2014, 05:21:21 pm
Scoring system looks to be same as before as well
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 20, 2014, 05:22:41 pm
Can confirm. Scoring system has NOT CHANGED!

 ;D
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 20, 2014, 05:23:43 pm
Good bloke sportal
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 20, 2014, 05:31:19 pm
This makes me laugh and cry


Trades revert back from the last few days
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 20, 2014, 05:32:00 pm
Nah no need to revert the trades :)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 20, 2014, 05:33:11 pm
Should of traded my KPP players when I had the chance :'(
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 20, 2014, 05:33:32 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/3cgj.jpg)

hahahaa
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 20, 2014, 05:36:32 pm
MRW LF told me about this in chat:

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/stoked.gif)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Memphistopheles on February 20, 2014, 05:37:44 pm
Seriously. WTF.

Might have to roll back the trades then.

Someone in the SB, CB and SP thread reckons its just a weekly thing, like matchday though?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 20, 2014, 05:38:52 pm
Seriously. WTF.

Might have to roll back the trades then.

Someone in the SB, CB and SP thread reckons its just a weekly thing, like matchday though?
Yep.

Pick 18 each round, no more than two players from the one AFL team.

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Memphistopheles on February 20, 2014, 05:40:44 pm
So what's the go then?

Are we sticking with this scoring?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 20, 2014, 05:41:13 pm
As long as all scores get released
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: nrich102 on February 20, 2014, 05:41:25 pm
HAHAHA ;D

And the moral of the story is dont be a dick like football factory and rage quit when something goes slightly wrong.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 20, 2014, 05:45:37 pm
As long as all scores get released
I'm sure they'd have to do that.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Memphistopheles on February 20, 2014, 05:50:59 pm
As long as all scores get released
I'm sure they'd have to do that.

Is this likely to be sustainable long term though. If this game flops will Sportal fold next season is what I'm thinking?

DT and SC will be around for ever on the other hand.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 20, 2014, 05:52:07 pm
I guess while it's open we may as well use it.

We know we've got a back up plan.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: LF on February 20, 2014, 05:53:26 pm
Well I think while its still around it should be used and I don`t reckon it`ll be a flop
But if it does happen to flop then we just use the voted in scoring system if need be.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 20, 2014, 06:01:34 pm
Hahahaha well!

Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 20, 2014, 06:15:07 pm
UNBELIEVABLE!!

Stupid f*ckers.

Oh well...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 20, 2014, 06:18:09 pm
since its weekly rubbish, just going to create a team full of bunnies players... no more looking up scores!! :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 20, 2014, 06:19:40 pm
since its weekly rubbish, just going to create a team full of bunnies players... no more looking up scores!! :P
Works well if you don't have more than two players per team.

Think I've got like 3 or 4 Roos in my best XV, thanks mons.  :P
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 20, 2014, 06:19:59 pm
since its weekly rubbish, just going to create a team full of bunnies players... no more looking up scores!! :P

Yep my plan to
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 20, 2014, 06:21:24 pm
since its weekly rubbish, just going to create a team full of bunnies players... no more looking up scores!! :P
Works well if you don't have more than two players per team.

Think I've got like 3 or 4 Roos in my best XV, thanks mons.  :P

Start with your main ones I guess...
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 20, 2014, 06:22:48 pm
since its weekly rubbish, just going to create a team full of bunnies players... no more looking up scores!! :P
Works well if you don't have more than two players per team.

Think I've got like 3 or 4 Roos in my best XV, thanks mons.  :P

Start with your main ones I guess...
They're all fairly crucial. Arguably my 3 best players.  :o

I'll probably do the same though, and then just search the others.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 20, 2014, 06:28:07 pm
Yep I've done exactly that :)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 20, 2014, 06:59:04 pm
So what's happening now with this extra trade period now that the system is back?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 20, 2014, 09:10:56 pm
Sorry Guys been out this afternoon and tonight - Only just home and came across this.  I will thoroughly go through the Sportal System and scoring tomorrow and then rule which way to guy. Have not had time to dissect as yet.

Regarding the extra trade period we will have to live with it but will still close on 2nd March.

OK Have just had a study of Sportal and the scoring system is still the same an not dream Time.

So decision is do we revert back to Original Sportal or keep the result of vote.  Will send out vote.

Will mean that some coaches may wish to reverse some trades so if both coaches agree Trades from Trade 61 may be reversed. 

Will have to live with current trade period though and will finish on 2nd March.

Have not been able to log into actual site yet to make a team and register but thinking of creating a League for British XV.s when I can and this may assist us.  Only issue being no more than 2 players from the same club.

Please feel free to discuss but my personal opinion is as the scoring system is nowthe same it should be used,
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 21, 2014, 04:05:24 am
Ringo, think all new trades should be made void. If coaches still want them,  they can organise them again

Trades will usually benefit one more than the other.  So having both agree to withdraw could be tricky
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 21, 2014, 04:09:52 am
maybe that is the best way to do it

i made mine with memph yesterday knowing we still might be using sportal but was happy with either scoring for the trade

wonder if it could work like if one coach wishes it to be void it is and can renegotiate
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 21, 2014, 06:30:38 am
Ringo, think all new trades should be made void. If coaches still want them,  they can organise them again

Trades will usually benefit one more than the other.  So having both agree to withdraw could be tricky

Nah trades are good most trades weren't really dependant on scoring system anyway and sc + dt averages are similar anyway
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 21, 2014, 07:57:12 am
Ringo, think all new trades should be made void. If coaches still want them,  they can organise them again

Trades will usually benefit one more than the other.  So having both agree to withdraw could be tricky

Nah trades are good most trades weren't really dependant on scoring system anyway and sc + dt averages are similar anyway

If they are good, there won't be any problem negotiating them again.

I had one trade fell through because of the new scoring system, I'd prefer to have that back
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 21, 2014, 08:09:57 am
Yeah I agree. I would like all trades rejected. Jb just wants it to go through cause he traded James Frawley and in sportal he's worthless
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 21, 2014, 08:15:08 am
Yeah I agree. I would like all trades rejected. Jb just wants it to go through cause he traded James Frawley and in sportal he's worthless

And you only want them rejected cos you didnt make any trades and are getting scared ;)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 21, 2014, 08:31:18 am
Yeah I agree. I would like all trades rejected. Jb just wants it to go through cause he traded James Frawley and in sportal he's worthless

And you only want them rejected cos you didnt make any trades and are getting scared ;)
Nah.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 21, 2014, 08:52:43 am
Moving this discussion to the trades thread -

http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,85051.1470.html

Please feel free to continue debate in there as there will be a controversial ruling made there.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 23, 2014, 09:55:35 am
Welcome to Sportal Dream Team

Once again in season 2014 we bring you a comprehensive & unique points system, where you'll play as selector and coach, scoring points based on an accurate representation of player performances, including contested/uncontested possessions, clangers and more.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 23, 2014, 10:00:22 am
Once again, meaning they will have the same unique one they had before......


Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 23, 2014, 10:01:55 am
Once again, meaning they will have the same unique one they had before......
That's the way it reads to me
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 23, 2014, 10:04:50 am
If we get the old scoring system would you regret leaving?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Justin Bieber on February 23, 2014, 10:12:16 am
We are using the old scoring system.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 23, 2014, 10:19:30 am
If we get the old scoring system would you regret leaving?
I wouldn't have left but i wont regret it, im in 3 other comps and an assistant in Worlds now
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 23, 2014, 10:20:14 am
We are using the old scoring system.
Ahhh okay i thought you had combined Supercoach and Dreamteam scoring  :-\
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 23, 2014, 10:40:25 am
Mmmm.

FF, Do your PMs work on TX man?
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 23, 2014, 11:56:59 am
Mmmm.

FF, Do your PMs work on TX man?
Not sure never done one on there  ;D

Ill send you one if you want ?..see if it works
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 23, 2014, 12:05:44 pm
Was going to ask you what Elliot or Juddy would take? PM me on FF :)
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Football Factory on February 23, 2014, 12:20:43 pm
Was going to ask you what Elliot or Juddy would take? PM me on FF :)
Ill have a look Vinny, let you know later.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Vinny on February 23, 2014, 12:25:26 pm
Cheers
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nails on February 25, 2014, 11:04:55 pm
Why was it such a surprise?

Sportal never opens to last week of Feb/First week of March

It's only ever DT/SC that generally open heaps early.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 25, 2014, 11:09:25 pm
Why was it such a surprise?

Sportal never opens to last week of Feb/First week of March

It's only ever DT/SC that generally open heaps early.

Thanks Mr Hindsight!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nails on February 25, 2014, 11:12:33 pm
Why was it such a surprise?

Sportal never opens to last week of Feb/First week of March

It's only ever DT/SC that generally open heaps early.

Thanks Mr Hindsight!

#commonknowledge
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 25, 2014, 11:18:03 pm
Why was it such a surprise?

Sportal never opens to last week of Feb/First week of March

It's only ever DT/SC that generally open heaps early.

Thanks Mr Hindsight!

#commonknowledge

#letsbowdowntoNails #heissosmart #ohwait #hedidnotknowwechangedbackthescoringsystem #eventhoughitwascommonknowledgeitwouldbeback
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nails on February 25, 2014, 11:20:17 pm
#notsureyleissoantinailslately
#lenailsusedtogetalong
#lebitteroldmanlately
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: elephants on February 25, 2014, 11:24:10 pm
#Eleisonrampage
#Iamgrillingalotofpeoplerecently
#dontworryIamnottargettingyouhaha
#willmissridsthough :(
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nails on February 25, 2014, 11:27:22 pm
#huhwhathappenedtorids
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: ossie85 on February 26, 2014, 05:39:16 am
Why was it such a surprise?

Sportal never opens to last week of Feb/First week of March

It's only ever DT/SC that generally open heaps early.

The difference being we thought it was being replaced by real dt
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Ringo on February 26, 2014, 07:19:17 am
Not a lot of aware what went on so I will advise the steps that I took as Administrator:

1. Sportal announced that they would be moving to the Dream Time platform

2. I sent three emails to Sportal asking whether they would be using the DT scoring system or maintaining their own existing system.  No replies were received and this was disappointing.

3. As we needed some certainty for British put out various options and then conducted a vote to decide on the system to be used.

4. Sportal then launched and it was discovered that they were still using same system so after vote we reverted to Sportal as that was the Basis of British scoring.

Realise it caused havoc but lack of information from Sportal was the primary cause.
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: SydneyRox on February 26, 2014, 10:48:04 am
You did everything you  could Ringo to keep things moving, provide stability and give everyone in the league a vote in what was going on. There is no way anyone could have done a better job!

Too bad everyone voted for the Cheers to be removed as you would have deserved plenty lately!!
Title: Re: 2014 British Scoring System
Post by: Nige on February 26, 2014, 10:49:58 am
You did everything you  could Ringo to keep things moving, provide stability and give everyone in the league a vote in what was going on. There is no way anyone could have done a better job!

Too bad everyone voted for the Cheers to be removed as you would have deserved plenty lately!!
We actually rallied for the boos to be removed more than the cheers.

However, the whole system had to go and I reckon it's been for the better.