Now, before I start, i'm not calling for Hardwicks head just yet.
The work he's done to lift us from the laughing stock of the competition to a competitive outfit has been incredible, it just seems as though we're stagnating and stagnating quickly. Hardwick was outcoached completely and the tactics never looked like working..The players yesterday were older then Essendon, there's no more excuses about development. Dimma seems reluctant to play the youth and seems content with these mature age recruits who lets face it aren't taking us to the next level. Fringe players like Matt White and Nahas shouldn't be getting a game anymore.
The recruiting, while good also seems to be drafting the same players, tough, hard, but relatively slow.. When Deledio has gotten shut down we've lost the game pretty much, the lack of speed through the middle is concerning, as well as no outside support, and when that happens, Dimma has no plan B. I would love to see us rookie list Dayle Garlett and draft Dwayne Wilson, because we lack any x-factor whatsoever. I believe Hardwick can still get better, but this list promises so much..and yet it feels like its just stopped, no improvement. Would love to hear everyones thoughts.
I think you're expecting to much from your team mate. You are 5-4 and that is about right. You might scrape into the 8 or just miss out. It's just where Richmond are at.
Hardwick stripped the club back and built it from literally rock bottom. Richmond weren't much better than Melbourne currently are a few short years ago. He has taken no shortcuts or looked for quick fixes he literally built it up slowly and although they are far more experienced now it is still a very young side. Your best players are still mostly kids or very young.
I think you need to reassess at the end of the season. Richmond have a great back half of the year and should just play finals and that's all you could hope or be expecting or you are dissolutional.
Only knock I have on hardwick is that he isn't a great media speaker (says a lot of the same clich
I tend to agree with TeeJay, it just seems to be where we are at at the moment. We showed glimpses last year of what we are capable of, but also dropped matches we should have done - inexperience. This year, we have won games we should win, and lost games to good teams, and while this is disappointing it just shows that we aren't quite up to standard with the top teams. Yet. Further development should see us continue to improve, and I want to see Hardwick at the helm, as I think a change of coach would just set us back further.
One thing I agree with though is that we need to recruit a bit more pace into the side. With Deledio injured and Ellis out on the weekend we really did lack pace. Now we have youngsters who can win us the ball in the middle, like Vlastuin & Matt Arnot, along with Cotch & co., I think we need some more pace and class on the outside and really hope we look at getting someone that can give us that at the end of the year... Not sure who that may be, whether we trade for someone (Lewis Jetta is out of contract ;)) or pick up someone like Garlett (a real talent) or the best young outside midfielder available at the draft.
Dimma loves the hard-nuts, but I think we need to recruit 'something else' if we can. :)
Dimma about to be signed on until the end of 2016 ;D
And yes he WILL be Richmonds next premiership coach
Quote from: quinny88 on December 11, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
Dimma about to be signed on until the end of 2016 ;D
And yes he WILL be Richmonds next premiership coach
Awesome news, he certainly deserves it.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-has-extended-coach-damien-hardwicks-contract/story-fni5f9jb-1226780909437
Quote from: quinny88 on December 11, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
Dimma about to be signed on until the end of 2016 ;D
And yes he WILL be Richmonds next premiership coach
He proved himself as a coach, the way he changed our game-style let us make finals.
And when he lasts to the end of his new contract he'll be our longest serving coach since good old Tom Hafey.
Quote from: TheAnt on December 12, 2013, 08:24:33 PM
And when he lasts to the end of his new contract he'll be our longest serving coach since good old Tom Hafey.
That's not surprising we have had some spuds in recent times :-[
Quote from: quinny88 on December 12, 2013, 10:28:26 PM
Quote from: TheAnt on December 12, 2013, 08:24:33 PM
And when he lasts to the end of his new contract he'll be our longest serving coach since good old Tom Hafey.
That's not surprising we have had some spuds in recent times :-[
pun intended?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 12, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 12, 2013, 10:28:26 PM
Quote from: TheAnt on December 12, 2013, 08:24:33 PM
And when he lasts to the end of his new contract he'll be our longest serving coach since good old Tom Hafey.
That's not surprising we have had some spuds in recent times :-[
pun intended?
Haha every time I see that nobs head on tv I get angry with what he did to us. Him and Dunstal carrying on like idiots and I just think "this man actually coached our football club" *facepalm*
He got us to a prelim. It's more than what Wallace did.
But then we fell to 14th the next year, our team now is better than that one I reckon. Still Wallace was worse.
Both as bad as each other. Imo.
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on December 13, 2013, 09:39:00 AM
But then we fell to 14th the next year, our team now is better than that one I reckon. Still Wallace was worse.
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying Spud was any good, just saying that he did manage to get us to finals, which is more than what some previous Richmond coaches can say.
In any case, it's awesome we have stability at our club, and Dimma is the right man, at this stage, to lead us forward, possibly into a GF in a few years to come. Exciting times!
Well...
Reading the OP again, you just about nailed it Ant.
Dimma is doing his best and is the best person for the job. needs to put his foot up a couple of players to get them going again
Yeah still very confident in Dimma. He's worked us up the ladder every year previous to this year so I think he's allowed one bad year without just getting tossed aside.
In a funny way, a horrible season like this can be exactly what the club needs.
Geelong went from a semi final in 05 to not making the 8 the next year which was the launch pad for their dynasty.
Hawthorn failed to make the 8 in 09' after winning the flag in 08' and have since played finals every year including 2 GF's and another flag. The common theme between the 2 most consistent, succesful clubs in recent times is that neither club got rid of their coach after one bad year of an otherwise great rebuild.
Keep the faith. Richmond spent more time and money and had a more extensive study and interview process in this coaching appointment than has ever been done before at any club. Everything they have done on and off the field has gone perfectly since Dimma has been here. This is a minor set back in the whole plan and how well its all gone so far.
If were in this same position this time next year.. Start panicking
The way I see it we should stick with Hardwick for now, if we don't it will be another 5 years until we are a chance of finals let alone a premiership.
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on June 03, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
The way I see it we should stick with Hardwick for now, if we don't it will be another 5 years until we are a chance of finals let alone a premiership.
Exactly what I've been saying to everybody on the forum and in person who have talked about Hardwick being sacked.
Quote from: NigeyS on June 03, 2014, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on June 03, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
The way I see it we should stick with Hardwick for now, if we don't it will be another 5 years until we are a chance of finals let alone a premiership.
Exactly what I've been saying to everybody on the forum and in person who have talked about Hardwick being sacked.
Don't think that would be the case. The list is in a million times better shape than when he took over so I think most half decent coaches could get us back to finals next year but I think dimma will too. It's been a bad half a year for him and the players but no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Just gotta get the most out of this year and use it as a learning curve
Quote from: NigeyS on June 03, 2014, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on June 03, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
The way I see it we should stick with Hardwick for now, if we don't it will be another 5 years until we are a chance of finals let alone a premiership.
Exactly what I've been saying to everybody on the forum and in person who have talked about Hardwick being sacked.
We had a bit of a chat about him on matchday with different thoughts he needs to harden up his coaching style where the sort of crap that happened last week is not tolerated and the players are crossed off the list for next year , we have no hope of getting much further with the cattle we have an injection of youth seems the only path left , if he is going to be around long enough to see the Tiges real top 4 material it is a fair way off and don't know if he is going to be there that long
Quote from: TheAnt on May 26, 2013, 10:20:08 PM
Now, before I start, i'm not calling for Hardwicks head just yet.
The work he's done to lift us from the laughing stock of the competition to a competitive outfit has been incredible, it just seems as though we're stagnating and stagnating quickly. Hardwick was outcoached completely and the tactics never looked like working..The players yesterday were older then Essendon, there's no more excuses about development. Dimma seems reluctant to play the youth and seems content with these mature age recruits who lets face it aren't taking us to the next level. Fringe players like Matt White and Nahas shouldn't be getting a game anymore.
The recruiting, while good also seems to be drafting the same players, tough, hard, but relatively slow.. When Deledio has gotten shut down we've lost the game pretty much, the lack of speed through the middle is concerning, as well as no outside support, and when that happens, Dimma has no plan B. I would love to see us rookie list Dayle Garlett and draft Dwayne Wilson, because we lack any x-factor whatsoever. I believe Hardwick can still get better, but this list promises so much..and yet it feels like its just stopped, no improvement. Would love to hear everyones thoughts.
You ere ahead of the pack Ant.I Could see all those cracks opening up.the club didnt address them in the off season
Bump.
You guys can have Malthouse
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 24, 2015, 10:40:04 PM
You guys can have Malthouse
I'd rather face a firing squad.
Why is the coach the first person to get questioned?
We lost the game because we butchered the ball going inside 50 and missed easy shots early on.
When the rain came we fumbled and they were clean. Nothing the coach can do about that.
Listening to his press conference, he was just as disgusted as we all are
Quote from: quinny88 on April 24, 2015, 11:37:15 PM
Why is the coach the first person to get questioned?
We lost the game because we butchered the ball going inside 50 and missed easy shots early on.
When the rain came we fumbled and they were clean. Nothing the coach can do about that.
Listening to his press conference, he was just as disgusted as we all are
I don't mean to be harsh but it doesn't seem like the Tigers are getting anywhere
Two losses already to bottom 6 sides from last year, can you really expect to play finals this year?
I don't know if sacking the coach is the answer, but you have to question whether he is making all the right decisions to lead Richmond to a grand final
Quote from: Big Mac on April 24, 2015, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on April 24, 2015, 11:37:15 PM
Why is the coach the first person to get questioned?
We lost the game because we butchered the ball going inside 50 and missed easy shots early on.
When the rain came we fumbled and they were clean. Nothing the coach can do about that.
Listening to his press conference, he was just as disgusted as we all are
I don't mean to be harsh but it doesn't seem like the Tigers are getting anywhere
Two losses already to bottom 6 sides from last year, can you really expect to play finals this year?
I don't know if sacking the coach is the answer, but you have to question whether he is making all the right decisions to lead Richmond to a grand final
Keep in mind we were 3-10 last year.
2-2 isn't a disaster and considering it was only poor kicking for goal that kept Melbourne in the game early It could have been a different story. Deledio, Conca, Chappy, Knights, Petterd, Newman on the injury list are probably all best 22 apart from maybe Petterd.
Not making excuses but the coaching had no impact on tonight's performance. We blew just blew easy shots on goal and fumbled when the rain came. Melbourne were harder and cleaner
Quote from: quinny88 on April 24, 2015, 11:51:00 PM
2-2 isn't a disaster
You can't deny that before the season started we would have penciled all four of the first games in as wins, I know I did.
If we're really supposed to be taking that next step of not just scraping into finals and being booted in elim finals, as the commentators also said (even lord Richo said it), these are the games that we're supposed to win and win comfortably.
I'm happy with Dimma's presser though. He was genuinely pissed off and not just spewing the same shower as normal. A few guys definitely won't be keeping their spots.
Dimma > Bomber
Quote from: Nige on April 25, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on April 24, 2015, 11:51:00 PM
2-2 isn't a disaster
You can't deny that before the season started we would have penciled all four of the first games in as wins, I know I did.
If we're really supposed to be taking that next step of not just scraping into finals and being booted in elim finals, as the commentators also said (even lord Richo said it), these are the games that we're supposed to win and win comfortably.
I'm happy with Dimma's presser though. He was genuinely pissed off and not just spewing the same shower as normal. A few guys definitely won't be keeping their spots.
How long have been a Richmond supporter Nige? Never pencil ANYTHING in haha.
Could be worse. We could barrack for Carlton ;D
Quote from: quinny88 on April 25, 2015, 11:45:02 AM
Quote from: Nige on April 25, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on April 24, 2015, 11:51:00 PM
2-2 isn't a disaster
You can't deny that before the season started we would have penciled all four of the first games in as wins, I know I did.
If we're really supposed to be taking that next step of not just scraping into finals and being booted in elim finals, as the commentators also said (even lord Richo said it), these are the games that we're supposed to win and win comfortably.
I'm happy with Dimma's presser though. He was genuinely pissed off and not just spewing the same shower as normal. A few guys definitely won't be keeping their spots.
How long have been a Richmond supporter Nige? Never pencil ANYTHING in haha.
Could be worse. We could barrack for Carlton ;D
I was being optimistic. :P
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on April 25, 2015, 11:26:52 AM
Dimma > Bomber
Really? When Dimma wins a couple of flags I'll agree. ;)
Easy, tiger.
Quote from: Big Mac on April 24, 2015, 11:43:57 PM
Two losses already to bottom 6 sides from last year, can you really expect to play finals this year?
Lost to both of those teams last year as well might I add.
But yeah something needs to change, the club is still stuck at that middle-of-the-table level.
Watching the dogs dismantle Adelaide is making our loss to them not seem so bad.
They are a good side
In the paper 2day
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-ceo-brendon-gale-backs-coach-damien-hardwick-declaring-hes-the-right-man-for-the-job/story-fni5f9jb-1227323702927
Quote from: nas on April 28, 2015, 08:09:04 AM
In the paper 2day
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-ceo-brendon-gale-backs-coach-damien-hardwick-declaring-hes-the-right-man-for-the-job/story-fni5f9jb-1227323702927
then he is flowered if he has the backing of the CEO/board
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on April 25, 2015, 11:26:52 AM
Dimma > Bomber
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Richmond should have Bomber at the top of their list.
Malthouse would of been mentioned yeah?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-face-a-line-in-the-sand-contest-and-its-only-round-5-says-mark-robinson/story-fnp04d70-1227330828867
Interesting article by Robbo.
What stood out most to me were the post-game presser quotes from Dimma and the analysis of how/why we lost to the Dogs/Dees.
Another article with words from Brendon Gale, who I absolute love and respect so much, dude is honest as it gets.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwicks-job-is-safe-at-richmond-says-chief-executive-brendon-gale/story-fni5f9jb-1227331564569
In short, he says Dimma's job is safe and the club isn't thinking of getting rid of him.
Fully fit, our list is very capable and Dimma's done a good job of building it considering where it was before he took over.
Gale did admit that our problem is that we struggle to cover injuries more than most other sides due to lack of depth. The gap needs to be bridged.
Quote from: Nige on May 02, 2015, 01:51:31 PM
Another article with words from Brendon Gale, who I absolute love and respect so much, dude is honest as it gets.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwicks-job-is-safe-at-richmond-says-chief-executive-brendon-gale/story-fni5f9jb-1227331564569
In short, he says Dimma's job is safe and the club isn't thinking of getting rid of him.
Fully fit, our list is very capable and Dimma's done a good job of building it considering where it was before he took over.
Gale did admit that our problem is that we struggle to cover injuries more than most other sides due to lack of depth. The gap needs to be bridged.
Ha ha when they start saying the coach is safe that really means he is flowered this is his sixth year and after today we look like we are going to go backwards this year maybe not but our draw now starts to get real tough , I have no doubt that if things go even more pear shaped from here we will have a new coach next year maybe Bomber ? but we better be quick because the Blues will be looking for one as well
I think our core is good but but beyond that it is poor thank goodness we went youth last draft , Cotch is a great player but not a great Captain and finally Morris has no place in any future team he tries his guts out but football has gone past players like him a year or two ago
PS please don't abuse me or call me a troll Nige it's just my opinion ;)
Honestly what would the options even be at the end of the year?
Only way I would agree with us moving Dimma on is if it was to get a Ken Hinkley or Ross Lyon type which isn't gonna happen.
The way we are playing has nothing to do with Hardwick and everything to do with our team being too reliant on certain players and not being able to cover injuries.
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2015, 04:02:19 AM
Honestly what would the options even be at the end of the year?
Only way I would agree with us moving Dimma on is if it was to get a Ken Hinkley or Ross Lyon type which isn't gonna happen.
The way we are playing has nothing to do with Hardwick and everything to do with our team being too reliant on certain players and not being able to cover injuries.
The problem is Q that he has 6 years now to build a successful team and we are still playing lots of poor games this year , like last year and the year before that with same excuses repeating over and over again , we can't use injuries or missing players as an excuse look at the Pies and the Dogs they are all playing for there coaches with passion and heart with lists that been drastically weakened by departures and injuries were just not improving or he can't get team to play the way he wants look at yesterday they still did not come out breathing fire
It would be lovely to get the coaches you mentioned but that aint gonna happen the only premiership coaches available that are not over this hill are Bomber or Choco but he has major health problems , so you are saying give Dimma another 5 years and rebuild with youth , sorry can't agree with that he has had his chance time to move on next year
The only way he is going to save his own skin is get the team winning from next week and most weeks for the rest of the season
The team needs to get to a point where players like Batchelor aren't playing. Offers nothing to the team, has to come out next week.
Quote from: Toga on May 03, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
The team needs to get to a point where players like Batchelor aren't playing. Offers nothing to the team, has to come out next week.
He offers more than Morris so on that Morris must come out next week as well , deckchair shuffle time
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2015, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: Toga on May 03, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
The team needs to get to a point where players like Batchelor aren't playing. Offers nothing to the team, has to come out next week.
He offers more than Morris so on that Morris must come out next week as well , deckchair shuffle time
Morris won't come out. He'll go play down back next week.
My issue with dropping Batch is that it means Dylan Grimes comes in and he's not much better imo, plus he's got injury history.
Quote from: Nige on May 03, 2015, 11:40:55 AM
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2015, 09:53:12 AM
Quote from: Toga on May 03, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
The team needs to get to a point where players like Batchelor aren't playing. Offers nothing to the team, has to come out next week.
He offers more than Morris so on that Morris must come out next week as well , deckchair shuffle time
Morris won't come out. He'll go play down back next week.
My issue with dropping Batch is that it means Dylan Grimes comes in and he's not much better imo, plus he's got injury history.
Morris played down back last week and was just as bad think teams are starting to pick him out when down back and making him match up on faster or taller players hence why they are trying to play him forward which he is no good at , it is a real problem for the coach it is a shame because I hear he a fantastic team man around the club unfortunately he is just not suited to todays game
Dylan Grimes is far better than Batchelor. And Morris offers a lot defensively, Batchelor doesn't seem to offer anything either way at this point.
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2015, 11:51:01 AM
Morris played down back last week and was just as bad think teams are starting to pick him out when down back and making him match up on faster or taller players
Defenders play on whoever they match up best to, not the other way around. Morris will go to the player that he is most capable of stopping...
Quote from: Toga on May 03, 2015, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2015, 11:51:01 AM
Morris played down back last week and was just as bad think teams are starting to pick him out when down back and making him match up on faster or taller players
Defenders play on whoever they match up best to, not the other way around. Morris will go to the player that he is most capable of stopping...
Either way he has been shocking no matter where he plays check his stats for the year just over 30 possies in 5 games and opponents are seeing that they can get an advantage with him , if he is good down back why does the coach keep putting forward where he is useless ?
Not Hardwick's fault they are losing, it's their auxiliary players. I would say Richmond have one of the best core groups in the AFL. However, their auxiliary players are some of the worst.
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2015, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2015, 04:02:19 AM
Honestly what would the options even be at the end of the year?
Only way I would agree with us moving Dimma on is if it was to get a Ken Hinkley or Ross Lyon type which isn't gonna happen.
The way we are playing has nothing to do with Hardwick and everything to do with our team being too reliant on certain players and not being able to cover injuries.
The problem is Q that he has 6 years now to build a successful team and we are still playing lots of poor games this year , like last year and the year before that with same excuses repeating over and over again , we can't use injuries or missing players as an excuse look at the Pies and the Dogs they are all playing for there coaches with passion and heart with lists that been drastically weakened by departures and injuries were just not improving or he can't get team to play the way he wants look at yesterday they still did not come out breathing fire
It would be lovely to get the coaches you mentioned but that aint gonna happen the only premiership coaches available that are not over this hill are Bomber or Choco but he has major health problems , so you are saying give Dimma another 5 years and rebuild with youth , sorry can't agree with that he has had his chance time to move on next year
The only way he is going to save his own skin is get the team winning from next week and most weeks for the rest of the season
I agree in part but keep in mind we've improved every one of those 6 years. Looks like we have hit a peak a bit in the last 12 months but I don't blame dimma for that.
6 years of compromised drafts hasn't helped and with the age and depth of our list we are simply just a 5-8 side right now. I agree that anything below that would be unacceptable but the season is early yet and we have some very important players to come back into the side.
Dimma has been the best coach this clubs had in decades and together with Gale has turned the place around on and off the field so I think he's earned the right to finish out his contract at least and then assess where we are at
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 08:31:56 PM
Not Hardwick's fault they are losing, it's their auxiliary players. I would say Richmond have one of the best core groups in the AFL. However, their auxiliary players are some of the worst.
They have done well to bring in Miles and Hunt and probably others I'm missing
Probably needed to go harder for guys like Garlett/Newton/Frost etc though who can add that extra spark and really add to their depth
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 11:23:27 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 08:31:56 PM
Not Hardwick's fault they are losing, it's their auxiliary players. I would say Richmond have one of the best core groups in the AFL. However, their auxiliary players are some of the worst.
They have done well to bring in Miles and Hunt and probably others I'm missing
Probably needed to go harder for guys like Garlett/Newton/Frost etc though who can add that extra spark and really add to their depth
We earmarked this coming trade season as the year we would go after a big name with the cash we have. Shiel or Danger would be ideal. We get one of those and a genuine quick dangerous small forward and I think we can become a top 4 side.
Team suddenly looks a lot more dangerous then
FB: Morris, Astbury, Chaplin
HB: Houli, Rance, Vlastuin
C: Ellis, Danger/Shiel, Conca
HF: Deledio, Griffiths, Knights
FF: Edwards, Riewoldt, ??
R: Maric, Cotchin, Martin
I/C Miles, Conca, Grigg, McIntosh
Not sure what small forwards will be available but it means that Morris can move back to the defence where he belongs.
Lloyd, Gordon are small forward depth instead of automatic starters.
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2015, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 11:23:27 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 08:31:56 PM
Not Hardwick's fault they are losing, it's their auxiliary players. I would say Richmond have one of the best core groups in the AFL. However, their auxiliary players are some of the worst.
They have done well to bring in Miles and Hunt and probably others I'm missing
Probably needed to go harder for guys like Garlett/Newton/Frost etc though who can add that extra spark and really add to their depth
We earmarked this coming trade season as the year we would go after a big name with the cash we have. Shiel or Danger would be ideal. We get one of those and a genuine quick dangerous small forward and I think we can become a top 4 side.
Team suddenly looks a lot more dangerous then
FB: Morris, Astbury, Chaplin
HB: Houli, Rance, Vlastuin
C: Ellis, Danger/Shiel, Conca
HF: Deledio, Griffiths, Knights
FF: Edwards, Riewoldt, ??
R: Maric, Cotchin, Martin
I/C Miles, Conca, Grigg, McIntosh
Not sure what small forwards will be available but it means that Morris can move back to the defence where he belongs.
Lloyd, Gordon are small forward depth instead of automatic starters.
I honestly think they are capable of being a top 4 side now. Their only problem is inconsistency because of a lack of depth. When they are in form they are guaranteed 5-6th.
Have you agree, personally I would be going for Dylan Shiel and Will Hoskin-Elliott, I know he's a tall but Jroo, Griffith, & WHE would be a dangerous trio for any club to go up against. I think you should count Chris Knights out of the equation. It was a mistake recruiting such an injury prone player, Petterd is another who, like Knights, always had potential but his body just can't handle the pressure of AFL football.
What's your thoughts on Rance? Brisbane think they are going to get him (which is illogical because Rance is suffering from motivation issues, and they are a club where careers go to die :P ), but I perceive some threat from Freo. I would put my money on Richmond retaining him (the club seems to have one of the best organisational cultures in the league), however he is Western Australian, would have an opportunity to join the best defensive side in the comp. (presumably for more money), and they are a premiership contender and have the young players to fill in the spaces (Rance could be perceived as the ideal replacement for McPharlin). Do Tigers supporters feel any foreseeable threat occurring from out West?
Yeah you're probably right with Knights which is a massive shame coz he's such a classy player.
I'm honestly not all that concerned about Rance. Apparently they aren't that far off a deal.
There was always the lure of heading home but his family have moved over here so I don't see that being a huge issue.
Would be a huge loss if he did go because I consider him our most important player
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2015, 11:17:04 PM
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2015, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2015, 04:02:19 AM
Honestly what would the options even be at the end of the year?
Only way I would agree with us moving Dimma on is if it was to get a Ken Hinkley or Ross Lyon type which isn't gonna happen.
The way we are playing has nothing to do with Hardwick and everything to do with our team being too reliant on certain players and not being able to cover injuries.
The problem is Q that he has 6 years now to build a successful team and we are still playing lots of poor games this year , like last year and the year before that with same excuses repeating over and over again , we can't use injuries or missing players as an excuse look at the Pies and the Dogs they are all playing for there coaches with passion and heart with lists that been drastically weakened by departures and injuries were just not improving or he can't get team to play the way he wants look at yesterday they still did not come out breathing fire
It would be lovely to get the coaches you mentioned but that aint gonna happen the only premiership coaches available that are not over this hill are Bomber or Choco but he has major health problems , so you are saying give Dimma another 5 years and rebuild with youth , sorry can't agree with that he has had his chance time to move on next year
The only way he is going to save his own skin is get the team winning from next week and most weeks for the rest of the season
I agree in part but keep in mind we've improved every one of those 6 years. Looks like we have hit a peak a bit in the last 12 months but I don't blame dimma for that.
6 years of compromised drafts hasn't helped and with the age and depth of our list we are simply just a 5-8 side right now. I agree that anything below that would be unacceptable but the season is early yet and we have some very important players to come back into the side.
Dimma has been the best coach this clubs had in decades and together with Gale has turned the place around on and off the field so I think he's earned the right to finish out his contract at least and then assess where we are at
I keep seeing people say it is not his fault well he is the all controlling head coach and he must take responsibility for continuing bad performances like it or not that is just how it works in all sporting teams and codes worldwide and if he can't get them into the finals and win one this year that is going backwards to me we must keep improving every year for him to stay on , like I said earlier he is the only one who can save his own skin starting the next game lets see how he goes but we have missed out on wins against the lower teams once more and now our draw gets tough
Saw Houli saying yesterday that Rance is very serious with his religion Mormon I think was mentioned but don't quote me on that and there were whispers that he could walk away from the game for it , Houli said he did not think he would but who knows , one thing for sure that if the Tiges don't lift there game there is a very real chance he will be a Docker next year
I'm actually quite worried that Dimma will lose his job because our team is gutless. It's not on him, it's the players. No leaders on field. When we're getting flogged, nobody has heart to inspire a comeback until the game is too far gone. The coach can only do so much.
Yeah the coach is never the fault ::)
I posted this in the Match Day thread
Coaches cop so much flack because they are the easiest target
Malthouse and Eade are gun coaches and their teams are going crap, and Richmond is the same
None of us know how they players react to Dimma's leadership, so I'm not saying he is completely innocent, but it's the players who go out and play each week, and so many teams/players over the years have got away unscathed while the coach cops it all
Tigers need to unite and harden up. And supporters/media need to think their heads, not their hearts, and realise that certain "big name club" like Richmond and Carlton are crap because their lists are poor, not their coaches
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 09, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
I posted this in the Match Day thread
Coaches cop so much flack because they are the easiest target
Malthouse and Eade are gun coaches and their teams are going crap, and Richmond is the same
None of us know how they players react to Dimma's leadership, so I'm not saying he is completely innocent, but it's the players who go out and play each week, and so many teams/players over the years have got away unscathed while the coach cops it all
Tigers need to unite and harden up. And supporters/media need to think their heads, not their hearts, and realise that certain "big name club" like Richmond and Carlton are crap because their lists are poor, not their coaches
Fair point RD Malthouse is in his second year I think but think he will bow out gracefully and spend some time with all his kids and grand kids Dimma has had 6 and still getting nowhere , I will keep chipping away and copping the flak till the obvious happens and every one will be behind the new coach and what I am saying now will mean little , don't insult me by saying that it not the coaches fault , Port basket case enter Hinkley finals team , Doggies fell apart key players leave lose there best mid enter Beverage a massive turn around , all the good teams in contention have quality coaches so far in 6 years Dimma has failed that test , bring on Bomber for me
Quote from: shaker on May 09, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 09, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
I posted this in the Match Day thread
Coaches cop so much flack because they are the easiest target
Malthouse and Eade are gun coaches and their teams are going crap, and Richmond is the same
None of us know how they players react to Dimma's leadership, so I'm not saying he is completely innocent, but it's the players who go out and play each week, and so many teams/players over the years have got away unscathed while the coach cops it all
Tigers need to unite and harden up. And supporters/media need to think their heads, not their hearts, and realise that certain "big name club" like Richmond and Carlton are crap because their lists are poor, not their coaches
Fair point RD Malthouse is in his second year I think but think he will bow out gracefully and spend some time with all his kids and grand kids Dimma has had 6 and still getting nowhere , I will keep chipping away and copping the flak till the obvious happens and every one will be behind the new coach and what I am saying now will mean little , don't insult me by saying that it not the coaches fault , Port basket case enter Hinkley finals team , Doggies fell apart key players leave lose there best mid enter Beverage a massive turn around , all the good teams in contention have quality coaches so far in 6 years Dimma has failed that test , bring on Bomber for me
We were the basket case with Terry Wallace at the helm, or have you forgotten that?
Quote from: Nige on May 09, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: shaker on May 09, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 09, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
I posted this in the Match Day thread
Coaches cop so much flack because they are the easiest target
Malthouse and Eade are gun coaches and their teams are going crap, and Richmond is the same
None of us know how they players react to Dimma's leadership, so I'm not saying he is completely innocent, but it's the players who go out and play each week, and so many teams/players over the years have got away unscathed while the coach cops it all
Tigers need to unite and harden up. And supporters/media need to think their heads, not their hearts, and realise that certain "big name club" like Richmond and Carlton are crap because their lists are poor, not their coaches
Fair point RD Malthouse is in his second year I think but think he will bow out gracefully and spend some time with all his kids and grand kids Dimma has had 6 and still getting nowhere , I will keep chipping away and copping the flak till the obvious happens and every one will be behind the new coach and what I am saying now will mean little , don't insult me by saying that it not the coaches fault , Port basket case enter Hinkley finals team , Doggies fell apart key players leave lose there best mid enter Beverage a massive turn around , all the good teams in contention have quality coaches so far in 6 years Dimma has failed that test , bring on Bomber for me
We were the basket case with Terry Wallace at the helm, or have you forgotten that?
Nige I am a lot older than you we have not found the coach that will do the job yet actually Dimma is starting to resemble Wallace more as time goes on , who knows Dimma might have the team in a remarkable turn around from next week and we will go on to win the flag or we might just crumble away to the bottom of the ladder , the latter is looking more likely but when Dimma gets the flick I am positive I am going to see you saying he had to go for the clubs sake ::)
Quote from: shaker on May 09, 2015, 06:35:23 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 09, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: shaker on May 09, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 09, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
I posted this in the Match Day thread
Coaches cop so much flack because they are the easiest target
Malthouse and Eade are gun coaches and their teams are going crap, and Richmond is the same
None of us know how they players react to Dimma's leadership, so I'm not saying he is completely innocent, but it's the players who go out and play each week, and so many teams/players over the years have got away unscathed while the coach cops it all
Tigers need to unite and harden up. And supporters/media need to think their heads, not their hearts, and realise that certain "big name club" like Richmond and Carlton are crap because their lists are poor, not their coaches
Fair point RD Malthouse is in his second year I think but think he will bow out gracefully and spend some time with all his kids and grand kids Dimma has had 6 and still getting nowhere , I will keep chipping away and copping the flak till the obvious happens and every one will be behind the new coach and what I am saying now will mean little , don't insult me by saying that it not the coaches fault , Port basket case enter Hinkley finals team , Doggies fell apart key players leave lose there best mid enter Beverage a massive turn around , all the good teams in contention have quality coaches so far in 6 years Dimma has failed that test , bring on Bomber for me
We were the basket case with Terry Wallace at the helm, or have you forgotten that?
Nige I am a lot older than you we have not found the coach that will do the job yet actually Dimma is starting to resemble Wallace more as time goes on , who knows Dimma might have the team in a remarkable turn around from next week and we will go on to win the flag or we might just crumble away to the bottom of the ladder , the latter is looking more likely but when Dimma gets the flick I am positive I am going to see you saying he had to go for the clubs sake ::)
It's inevitable that every coach goes at some stage and 9/10 times its not off their own accord so of course you are eventually going to be right but there's no way I'll ever look at Dimma as anything other than a saviour for this club.
Go look at the list and playing style of his first year to now. He hasn't put a foot out of line and has methodically built this team from nothing.
For whatever reason we've plateaued but he's earned the right to have a crack at getting us over that.
Don't be fooled into thinking his repetitive media speeches are what he is saying behind closed doors.
Benny Gale is a very intelligent man that's been around football for a long time and was at one point being touted as the next AFL CEO before he took the Richmond job on so I'll back his judgement in
Quote from: quinny88 on May 11, 2015, 05:11:56 AM
Quote from: shaker on May 09, 2015, 06:35:23 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 09, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: shaker on May 09, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 09, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
I posted this in the Match Day thread
Coaches cop so much flack because they are the easiest target
Malthouse and Eade are gun coaches and their teams are going crap, and Richmond is the same
None of us know how they players react to Dimma's leadership, so I'm not saying he is completely innocent, but it's the players who go out and play each week, and so many teams/players over the years have got away unscathed while the coach cops it all
Tigers need to unite and harden up. And supporters/media need to think their heads, not their hearts, and realise that certain "big name club" like Richmond and Carlton are crap because their lists are poor, not their coaches
Fair point RD Malthouse is in his second year I think but think he will bow out gracefully and spend some time with all his kids and grand kids Dimma has had 6 and still getting nowhere , I will keep chipping away and copping the flak till the obvious happens and every one will be behind the new coach and what I am saying now will mean little , don't insult me by saying that it not the coaches fault , Port basket case enter Hinkley finals team , Doggies fell apart key players leave lose there best mid enter Beverage a massive turn around , all the good teams in contention have quality coaches so far in 6 years Dimma has failed that test , bring on Bomber for me
We were the basket case with Terry Wallace at the helm, or have you forgotten that?
Nige I am a lot older than you we have not found the coach that will do the job yet actually Dimma is starting to resemble Wallace more as time goes on , who knows Dimma might have the team in a remarkable turn around from next week and we will go on to win the flag or we might just crumble away to the bottom of the ladder , the latter is looking more likely but when Dimma gets the flick I am positive I am going to see you saying he had to go for the clubs sake ::)
It's inevitable that every coach goes at some stage and 9/10 times its not off their own accord so of course you are eventually going to be right but there's no way I'll ever look at Dimma as anything other than a saviour for this club.
Go look at the list and playing style of his first year to now. He hasn't put a foot out of line and has methodically built this team from nothing.
For whatever reason we've plateaued but he's earned the right to have a crack at getting us over that.
Don't be fooled into thinking his repetitive media speeches are what he is saying behind closed doors.
Benny Gale is a very intelligent man that's been around football for a long time and was at one point being touted as the next AFL CEO before he took the Richmond job on so I'll back his judgement in
Agree that Gale is fantastic for us but he is not a coach I don't think our list is as bad as everyone is saying it's not the best but not that bad , I don't see Dimma as a saviour just another coach that had a crack and couldn't get the chockies .
So whoever is at fault the recruiters , player development in the end the head coach cops it in the neck and think that what is going to happen this year unless Dimma can turn this team around pronto and if things go even more pear shaped from here on in that's when we need Gale to be proactive and get the highest qualified premiership coach available in my mind Bomber before the Blues get in first .
just blowing the cobwebs off this thread for our tiger friends who will be hurting tonite. Just saying. :o
Is Cotchin really the Captain who will lead Richmond to a premiership?
Quote from: Pkbaldy on September 13, 2015, 07:11:43 PM
Is Cotchin really the Captain who will lead Richmond to a premiership?
Probs not. Nick Vlastuin tho!
Richmond are not that far off.
North were a top 4 side last year and have been in really good form in recent weeks before today.
They kept a lot of your starts quiet.
The only thing I see Richmond lacking is another quality outside mid with decent legspeed that can hit a target.
Do Richmond have a crack at Harley Bennell?
Quote from: Nige on September 13, 2015, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on September 13, 2015, 07:11:43 PM
Is Cotchin really the Captain who will lead Richmond to a premiership?
Probs not. Nick Vlastuin tho!
What about Steven Morris :P
Personally, I think it would be poor judgement to blame Dimma who has done so much for the club. On the day, North were just the better team - they have a dominant record over the Tiges and, honestly, the were unlucky to be playing the Roos over the Crows or the Bulldogs.
Obviously, more work has to be done to improve the mental game of the players, their contested footy, and the ability of their carrier to break tags (Houli did well, Ellis & Cotchin were overrun - Edward has no excuse, was easily the worst player out their for the Tiges). Besides that there was nothing wrong.
Being an impartial spectator, I have to say all 8 teams did their job this week. As Port aren't in the finals, I don't really care about the outcome, I just want to be entertained and all 8 teams did a spectacular job of doing that this year - not like last year with the one-sided Hawks v Cats & Swans v Dockers match ups and the elimination final between the Tiges & the Power that I enjoyed for all the wrong reason. The Tiges should be proud they had an intense contest, because I can assure you only their supporters will be disappointed after the game they put on show for everyone. These were some of the most even match-ups in a while and it says a lot when the Hawks had the biggest losing margin of all the match-ups (by quite a bit I might add). Richmond are a young team and don't need the success this year as much as the Roos do, in the end the Roos want it more and they were willing play to the better standard (the Tiges counter-attacked too much for finals football imo and that's what really put them behind in the 2nd half).
Two incredible elimination finals though, in terms of entertainment value, they beat the 2013 matchups by quite a bit. Sad to see the Bulldogs go, they were incredible (esp. Stringer & Dahlhaus, if they won it would have been quite the story of redemption for Minson as well)
Unlucky in the sense thats what North wanted and got after last weeks result or another kind of unlucky mate.
Quote from: Grazz on September 14, 2015, 03:08:10 AM
Unlucky in the sense thats what North wanted and got after last weeks result or another kind of unlucky mate.
agree here.
I think Richmond would have taken out Dogs and Adelaide, probably even had the game to take out the Hawks. Just a bad matchup for them. If they had of lost last week i think they would have made the prelim.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 13, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
The only thing I see Richmond lacking is another quality outside mid with decent legspeed that can hit a target.
Listening to Triple M yesterday? Pretty sure Schwass said that exact same thing :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 14, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 13, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
The only thing I see Richmond lacking is another quality outside mid with decent legspeed that can hit a target.
Listening to Triple M yesterday? Pretty sure Schwass said that exact same thing :P
Not wrong though. It's why a Treloar or Bennell type would be perfect.
Quote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 14, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 13, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
The only thing I see Richmond lacking is another quality outside mid with decent legspeed that can hit a target.
Listening to Triple M yesterday? Pretty sure Schwass said that exact same thing :P
Not wrong though. It's why a Treloar or Bennell type would be perfect.
I agree. Yarran or Bennell would not be poor recruitments. The latter is incredibly composed and reliable.
As good as Shane Edwards is, they might as well not play him in the finals... He is not a big game player, no matter how much supporters want him to be, he'll never deliver (or may once he has support).
2013 EF - 11 possessions
2014 EF - 11 possessions
2015 EF - 8 possessions
He's certainly one of the club's problems when it comes to finals football and I don't know whether it's nerves or an inability to have an impact when it matters but those numbers are shocking from a player like Edwards.
Bennell & Yarran should be the club's primary targets (Bennell would really be the best recruit they could land)
With recruiting either would be good, You have the perfect guy (IMO) choco to help keep them in line & on track.
This being Bennell or Yarran
G Healy comments re Bennell
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/harley-bennell-mark-williams-would-be-a-match-made-in-heaven-at-richmond-says-gerard-healy/story-fnahrqwo-1227531464871
Quote from: nas on September 14, 2015, 11:51:48 AM
With recruiting either would be good, You have the perfect guy (IMO) choco to help keep them in line & on track
But an average of 10 possessions per final? In September, they should change his first name from 'Shane' to 'Spud'.
If there was ever a scapegoat, it should be Shane over Hardwick. 10ppg is not good enough from a high impact POD (he's one of their best over the home and away season)
I bet you the Tigers won't get a finals win until Shane, or his potential teammates (i.e. outside mid recruits), deliver
9 possies from Cotch was pretty poor. Wonder if anything more will come of this back injury he missed with a couple of weeks ago
Quote from: elephants on September 14, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
9 possies from Cotch was pretty poor. Wonder if anything more will come of this back injury he missed with a couple of weeks ago
Cant use that as an excuse. He just doesn't know how to handle the tag. 3 kicks in a final from your captain is just horrible.
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 14, 2015, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Nige on September 14, 2015, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 14, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 13, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
The only thing I see Richmond lacking is another quality outside mid with decent legspeed that can hit a target.
Listening to Triple M yesterday? Pretty sure Schwass said that exact same thing :P
Not wrong though. It's why a Treloar or Bennell type would be perfect.
I agree. Yarran or Bennell would not be poor recruitments. The latter is incredibly composed and reliable.
As good as Shane Edwards is, they might as well not play him in the finals... He is not a big game player, no matter how much supporters want him to be, he'll never deliver (or may once he has support).
2013 EF - 11 possessions
2014 EF - 11 possessions
2015 EF - 8 possessions
He's certainly one of the club's problems when it comes to finals football and I don't know whether it's nerves or an inability to have an impact when it matters but those numbers are shocking from a player like Edwards.
Bennell & Yarran should be the club's primary targets (Bennell would really be the best recruit they could land)
Let's not pick out scapegoats.
Shedda's had a really good past two seasons and is part of the reason we got that streak of wins last year and won some pivotal games this year. He's been hampered by several injuries this year and it's hard to get consistency when you're in and out of the side through injury.
A number of boys played terribly yesterday, don't just pin it on Edwards.
"Seriously? Flowering moron."
Quote from: elephants on September 14, 2015, 02:28:00 PM
"Seriously? Flowering moron."
cracked me up when i heard that ;D
Hardwick should be bitterly disappointed with Dan Richardson & Blair Hartley this year, so far our trading has been poor beyond belief. While all the other middling clubs are stocking up we're sitting on our hands and doing nothing. We have Townsend who is a decent get but is far from a certain best 22 player.
Meanwhile Geelong have Danger, Selwood, Henderson & Smith. Collingwood have Treloar, Aish & Howe. West Coast have Redden & Jetta, Freo get Bennell & possibly McCarthy. Seriously, we have Hampson & few discards to show for over the past 2 years, what the hell is going on?
Quote from: Bully on October 19, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
Hardwick should be bitterly disappointed with Dan Richardson & Blair Hartley this year, so far our trading has been poor beyond belief. While all the other middling clubs are stocking up we're sitting on our hands and doing nothing. We have Townsend who is a decent get but is far from a certain best 22 player.
Meanwhile Geelong have Danger, Selwood, Henderson & Smith. Collingwood have Treloar, Aish & Howe. West Coast have Redden & Jetta, Freo get Bennell & possibly McCarthy. Seriously, we have Hampson & few discards to show for over the past 2 years, what the hell is going on?
Richmond are better at picking up discarded players and reinvigorating their careers. I'm sure they will get some players in the rookie draft and a delisted free agent or two.
Richmond has never been an 'in-demand club' in regards to trading over the last few years and they have not really needed it tbh - teams like West Coast, Collingwood, Geelong & Freo are filling holes in their lists. Richmond don't have any holes in their list, they just lack depth (besides an outside run-and-carry mid you have a complete team - the next step would involve upgrading the 2nd tier players in the best 22 so the core group + the talented ancillary players don't have to carry them).
In my opinion, Richmond only need an outside mid and the team can then focus on improving the quality of the worst 4-5 players in the starting 22
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 19, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: Bully on October 19, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
Hardwick should be bitterly disappointed with Dan Richardson & Blair Hartley this year, so far our trading has been poor beyond belief. While all the other middling clubs are stocking up we're sitting on our hands and doing nothing. We have Townsend who is a decent get but is far from a certain best 22 player.
Meanwhile Geelong have Danger, Selwood, Henderson & Smith. Collingwood have Treloar, Aish & Howe. West Coast have Redden & Jetta, Freo get Bennell & possibly McCarthy. Seriously, we have Hampson & few discards to show for over the past 2 years, what the hell is going on?
Richmond are better at picking up discarded players and reinvigorating their careers. I'm sure they will get some players in the rookie draft and a delisted free agent or two.
Richmond has never been an 'in-demand club' in regards to trading over the last few years and they have not really needed it tbh - teams like West Coast, Collingwood, Geelong & Freo are filling holes in their lists. Richmond don't have any holes in their list, they just lack depth (besides an outside run-and-carry mid you have a complete team - the next step would involve upgrading the 2nd tier players in the best 22 so the core group + the talented ancillary players don't have to carry them).
In my opinion, Richmond only need an outside mid and the team can then focus on improving the quality of the worst 4-5 players in the starting 22
All fair comments but to improve the bottom 5 we should be aiming to get one or two A grade players through the door. We missed out on Treloar & Bennell, this indicates to me we are poor at selling the club. I would have also made a play at a few free agents, instead of Yarran bring in Suckling at a fraction of the cost. Target a ruckman like Leuey and prepare for the imminent decline of Maric. Even a player like Redden would have been a great fit as opposed to a long shot like Townsend. One thing's for sure, holding our place in the 8 will be a dogfight, teams like Geelong, Collingwood, Port and GWS will be breathing down our necks.
Quote from: Bully on October 19, 2015, 11:31:16 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 19, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: Bully on October 19, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
Hardwick should be bitterly disappointed with Dan Richardson & Blair Hartley this year, so far our trading has been poor beyond belief. While all the other middling clubs are stocking up we're sitting on our hands and doing nothing. We have Townsend who is a decent get but is far from a certain best 22 player.
Meanwhile Geelong have Danger, Selwood, Henderson & Smith. Collingwood have Treloar, Aish & Howe. West Coast have Redden & Jetta, Freo get Bennell & possibly McCarthy. Seriously, we have Hampson & few discards to show for over the past 2 years, what the hell is going on?
Richmond are better at picking up discarded players and reinvigorating their careers. I'm sure they will get some players in the rookie draft and a delisted free agent or two.
Richmond has never been an 'in-demand club' in regards to trading over the last few years and they have not really needed it tbh - teams like West Coast, Collingwood, Geelong & Freo are filling holes in their lists. Richmond don't have any holes in their list, they just lack depth (besides an outside run-and-carry mid you have a complete team - the next step would involve upgrading the 2nd tier players in the best 22 so the core group + the talented ancillary players don't have to carry them).
In my opinion, Richmond only need an outside mid and the team can then focus on improving the quality of the worst 4-5 players in the starting 22
All fair comments but to improve the bottom 5 we should be aiming to get one or two A grade players through the door. We missed out on Treloar & Bennell, this indicates to me we are poor at selling the club. I would have also made a play at a few free agents, instead of Yarran bring in Suckling at a fraction of the cost. Target a ruckman like Leuey and prepare for the imminent decline of Maric. Even a player like Redden would have been a great fit as opposed to a long shot like Townsend. One thing's for sure, holding our place in the 8 will be a dogfight, teams like Geelong, Collingwood, Port and GWS will be breathing down our necks.
+1
I agree with all of this. Richmond have been fantastic at player retention (they seem to have a strong club culture which the players embrace), however their activity regarding big trade targets and free agents would be only a cut above the Demons. I'm not sure why this is, but I don't think it's the club that's the problem. As you pointed out, it's those in charge of recruiting now being proactive enough.
I was really hoping to see the Tiges bag Treloar or even Aish but they haven't made a play for either. Yarran should not have been the sole focus and the club should have had a second target lined up to join him (the Townsend trade would only have taken a couple hours to sort out). They don't need the additional player, but like you said, it could remove one of the worst players in the starting 22 and replace them with a better player (Suckling would have been perfect). Don't forget that Richmond have quite a few players in development as well but I agree, the club has the perception of being a 'non-trading' team to outsiders.
Yeah I think its less about filling holes and more about bringing in quality talent and turning specific areas into strengths.
It's not that we haven't tried to get big names, we've just been unlucky and missed out. We threw all we could at Treloar but Collingwood are a very attractive club to go to and have more to offer GWS as they finished lower on the ladder.
Bennell would have been nice too but if he can't even show up to a medical then he's not worth our time.
The Yarran deal will get done and he will be a great inclusion of much needed pace and skill. Was unhappy at the blues but at his best is a very good player and will slot in nicely. If we get him alone I think our best 22 is top 4 material and we still have money to go again next year at a big name.
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin
Houli, Chaplin, Batchelor
B.Ellis, Martin, Yarran
Deledio, Vickery, Edwards
Lennon, Riewoldt, Lloyd
Maric, Cotchin, Miles
I/C Conca, Grigg, McIntosh, Griffiths, Townsend, Hunt, Lambert, C. Ellis, Astbury, Gordon, Morris, Hampson, Thomas, McBean, Menadue, Dea, Drummond etc..
Plenty of depth there
If the war chest is left unopened year after year we have to get a big name eventually right? ..... Right?
Quote from: quinny88 on October 20, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
It's not that we haven't tried to get big names, we've just been unlucky and missed out. We threw all we could at Treloar but Collingwood are a very attractive club to go to and have more to offer GWS as they finished lower on the ladder.
Bennell would have been nice too but if he can't even show up to a medical then he's not worth our time.
The Yarran deal will get done and he will be a great inclusion of much needed pace and skill. Was unhappy at the blues but at his best is a very good player and will slot in nicely. If we get him alone I think our best 22 is top 4 material and we still have money to go again next year at a big name.
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin
Houli, Chaplin, Batchelor
B.Ellis, Martin, Yarran
Deledio, Vickery, Edwards
Lennon, Riewoldt, Lloyd
Maric, Cotchin, Miles
I/C Conca, Grigg, McIntosh, Griffiths, Townsend, Hunt, Lambert, C. Ellis, Astbury, Gordon, Morris, Hampson, Thomas, McBean, Menadue, Dea, Drummond etc..
Plenty of depth there
The player who stands out like dogs balls is Lloyd, it's one reason I'm so keen to get a guy like Wayne Milera with our first rounder.
Quote from: Bully on October 21, 2015, 01:29:01 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on October 20, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
It's not that we haven't tried to get big names, we've just been unlucky and missed out. We threw all we could at Treloar but Collingwood are a very attractive club to go to and have more to offer GWS as they finished lower on the ladder.
Bennell would have been nice too but if he can't even show up to a medical then he's not worth our time.
The Yarran deal will get done and he will be a great inclusion of much needed pace and skill. Was unhappy at the blues but at his best is a very good player and will slot in nicely. If we get him alone I think our best 22 is top 4 material and we still have money to go again next year at a big name.
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin
Houli, Chaplin, Batchelor
B.Ellis, Martin, Yarran
Deledio, Vickery, Edwards
Lennon, Riewoldt, Lloyd
Maric, Cotchin, Miles
I/C Conca, Grigg, McIntosh, Griffiths, Townsend, Hunt, Lambert, C. Ellis, Astbury, Gordon, Morris, Hampson, Thomas, McBean, Menadue, Dea, Drummond etc..
Plenty of depth there
The player who stands out like dogs balls is Lloyd, it's one reason I'm so keen to get a guy like Wayne Milera with our first rounder.
I read somewhere the Crows are keen on Milera aswell mate.
Quote from: Grazz on October 21, 2015, 01:35:33 AM
Quote from: Bully on October 21, 2015, 01:29:01 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on October 20, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
It's not that we haven't tried to get big names, we've just been unlucky and missed out. We threw all we could at Treloar but Collingwood are a very attractive club to go to and have more to offer GWS as they finished lower on the ladder.
Bennell would have been nice too but if he can't even show up to a medical then he's not worth our time.
The Yarran deal will get done and he will be a great inclusion of much needed pace and skill. Was unhappy at the blues but at his best is a very good player and will slot in nicely. If we get him alone I think our best 22 is top 4 material and we still have money to go again next year at a big name.
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin
Houli, Chaplin, Batchelor
B.Ellis, Martin, Yarran
Deledio, Vickery, Edwards
Lennon, Riewoldt, Lloyd
Maric, Cotchin, Miles
I/C Conca, Grigg, McIntosh, Griffiths, Townsend, Hunt, Lambert, C. Ellis, Astbury, Gordon, Morris, Hampson, Thomas, McBean, Menadue, Dea, Drummond etc..
Plenty of depth there
The player who stands out like dogs balls is Lloyd, it's one reason I'm so keen to get a guy like Wayne Milera with our first rounder.
I read somewhere the Crows are keen on Milera aswell mate.
Wouldn't surprise me, has already dominated at SANFL level, fair initial compo for Danger with more to come. Reckon we look at Balic or Oliver, one of those should be available.
Quote from: Bully on October 21, 2015, 02:00:08 AM
Quote from: Grazz on October 21, 2015, 01:35:33 AM
Quote from: Bully on October 21, 2015, 01:29:01 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on October 20, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
It's not that we haven't tried to get big names, we've just been unlucky and missed out. We threw all we could at Treloar but Collingwood are a very attractive club to go to and have more to offer GWS as they finished lower on the ladder.
Bennell would have been nice too but if he can't even show up to a medical then he's not worth our time.
The Yarran deal will get done and he will be a great inclusion of much needed pace and skill. Was unhappy at the blues but at his best is a very good player and will slot in nicely. If we get him alone I think our best 22 is top 4 material and we still have money to go again next year at a big name.
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin
Houli, Chaplin, Batchelor
B.Ellis, Martin, Yarran
Deledio, Vickery, Edwards
Lennon, Riewoldt, Lloyd
Maric, Cotchin, Miles
I/C Conca, Grigg, McIntosh, Griffiths, Townsend, Hunt, Lambert, C. Ellis, Astbury, Gordon, Morris, Hampson, Thomas, McBean, Menadue, Dea, Drummond etc..
Plenty of depth there
The player who stands out like dogs balls is Lloyd, it's one reason I'm so keen to get a guy like Wayne Milera with our first rounder.
I read somewhere the Crows are keen on Milera aswell mate.
Wouldn't surprise me, has already dominated at SANFL level, fair initial compo for Danger with more to come. Reckon we look at Balic or Oliver, one of those should be available.
You may get lucky still as their also keen on Francis and if he's still there at pick 9 they'll probably jump on him but I doubt he'll still be there at #9 and the consensus is he wont be so they could jump on Milera at #9 instead.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-in-no-rush-to-re-sign-coach-damien-hardwick/story-fndv8t7m-1227611934455
Seems like the Tiger Board asking themselves this very question. Will be GONESKI, without a finals win in 2016. :o
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is set to sign a contract extension with the Tigers in early 2016.
The new deal is expected to be ratified by the Richmond board before round one in March next year.
Tigers president Peggy O'Neal told Fairfax Media she expected discussions on Hardwick's contract would begin on February 15 at the club's first boarding meeting for 2016.
Quote from: Nige on December 02, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is set to sign a contract extension with the Tigers in early 2016.
The new deal is expected to be ratified by the Richmond board before round one in March next year.
Tigers president Peggy O'Neal told Fairfax Media she expected discussions on Hardwick's contract would begin on February 15 at the club's first boarding meeting for 2016.
I'd have no issue with us signing him up for another year or 2. Wouldn't go longer than that though as even if we finish first for the next 2 years, if we don't win a final he's gonna have to go
Quote from: quinny88 on December 02, 2015, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: Nige on December 02, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is set to sign a contract extension with the Tigers in early 2016.
The new deal is expected to be ratified by the Richmond board before round one in March next year.
Tigers president Peggy O'Neal told Fairfax Media she expected discussions on Hardwick's contract would begin on February 15 at the club's first boarding meeting for 2016.
I'd have no issue with us signing him up for another year or 2. Wouldn't go longer than that though as even if we finish first for the next 2 years, if we don't win a final he's gonna have to go
Although I agree with you. It's unfair that the finals loses are pinned on Dimma. It's the playing group that are choking and you cannot say Dimma hasn't tried (he has brought in a number of new recruits each year since the 2013 Elimination Final just to help them get over the top).
Honestly, the players looked spooked this year once North Melbourne started to charge back into the game and they started making simple mistakes and playing defensively. That was the reason they lost - it was psychological and I assume one of the big reasons Scott rested the players (to play mind games and give Richmond, from 5th place with a big win the prior week, more to lose - I honestly believe Scott had no doubts as to whether it would be successful).
The first loss to Carlton was hard and saw them eliminated from their first final since 2001 in the most embarrassing fashion imaginable. Secondly, although the loss to a Port Adelaide outfit which was shockingly out-of-form going into the game was nothing to ponder, the fact that they had lost by quarter-time only exacerbated their finals nerves (remember that these players are still inexperienced in finals games). Finally, against the Roos, many expected the Kangas to lose - and esp. after resting it seemed that the Kangas had more to lose. This caused them to be underestimated even though their 8th place finish was in fact the result of a tough home-and-away fixture.
It's only going to get harder from here. My advice... if they want to go to the next level, it's imperative they finish in the top 4. If they don't, I cannot see these players' maintaining their composure. I did not watch the Carlton game, however I saw the Port & Kangas games and noticed that once the players start feeling pressure, a lot of the Richmond players become frustrated and seem more focused on physically attacking the opposition players rather than following Dimma's gameplan (I would say this is Rance's one weakness - Vickery can be another offender but was quite calm against the Roos). They need to get the confidence of a top 4 finish, and they need to possess the knowledge that they have a 2nd game and are not facing sudden death (the team is horrible under pressure during finals... yet fantastic under pressure during the home and away season).
I have to say, they have the talent and structure to be premiership contenders. It's all psychological at this point
Note:
Townsend is a fantastic pick-up and should mitigate the problem players (those that start fights when frustrated). Now Townsend can do the fighting (in a strategic and legitimate manner) and players like Rance, Dusty, Vickery etc. can focus on just playing the game.
Quote from: powersuperkents on December 02, 2015, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 02, 2015, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: Nige on December 02, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is set to sign a contract extension with the Tigers in early 2016.
The new deal is expected to be ratified by the Richmond board before round one in March next year.
Tigers president Peggy O'Neal told Fairfax Media she expected discussions on Hardwick's contract would begin on February 15 at the club's first boarding meeting for 2016.
I'd have no issue with us signing him up for another year or 2. Wouldn't go longer than that though as even if we finish first for the next 2 years, if we don't win a final he's gonna have to go
Although I agree with you. It's unfair that the finals loses are pinned on Dimma. It's the playing group that are choking and you cannot say Dimma hasn't tried (he has brought in a number of new recruits each year since the 2013 Elimination Final just to help them get over the top).
Honestly, the players looked spooked this year once North Melbourne started to charge back into the game and they started making simple mistakes and playing defensively. That was the reason they lost - it was psychological and I assume one of the big reasons Scott rested the players (to play mind games and give Richmond, from 5th place with a big win the prior week, more to lose - I honestly believe Scott had no doubts as to whether it would be successful).
The first loss to Carlton was hard and saw them eliminated from their first final since 2001 in the most embarrassing fashion imaginable. Secondly, although the loss to a Port Adelaide outfit which was shockingly out-of-form going into the game was nothing to ponder, the fact that they had lost by quarter-time only exacerbated their finals nerves (remember that these players are still inexperienced in finals games). Finally, against the Roos, many expected the Kangas to lose - and esp. after resting it seemed that the Kangas had more to lose. This caused them to be underestimated even though their 8th place finish was in fact the result of a tough home-and-away fixture.
It's only going to get harder from here. My advice... if they want to go to the next level, it's imperative they finish in the top 4. If they don't, I cannot see these players' maintaining their composure. I did not watch the Carlton game, however I saw the Port & Kangas games and noticed that once the players start feeling pressure, a lot of the Richmond players become frustrated and seem more focused on physically attacking the opposition players rather than following Dimma's gameplan (I would say this is Rance's one weakness - Vickery can be another offender but was quite calm against the Roos). They need to get the confidence of a top 4 finish, and they need to possess the knowledge that they have a 2nd game and are not facing sudden death (the team is horrible under pressure during finals... yet fantastic under pressure during the home and away season).
I have to say, they have the talent and structure to be premiership contenders. It's all psychological at this point
Note:
Townsend is a fantastic pick-up and should mitigate the problem players (those that start fights when frustrated). Now Townsend can do the fighting (in a strategic and legitimate manner) and players like Rance, Dusty, Vickery etc. can focus on just playing the game.
Yeah I completely agree and don't blame Dimma at all but it would still be near impossible for him to keep his job if we lost another final or 2 without winning one. That's just the way footy is weather it's fair or not. I think he's a great coach though and in 2 of the last 3 years we've only been half a game outside the top 4 which could have made all the difference.
We've definitely been spooked in all 3 finals.
Carlton had a 'nothing to lose' approach against us and were a bogey side of ours at the time. We played useless footy after half time but I put that down to having no finals experience for any of our players.
Against Port we had to play 9 elimination finals in a row to get to the finals and Port were red hot on that day and probably would have belted anyone.
North again were a bogey side but I found that one the most dissapotinting as we were well set for that game, had the pain of 2 finals loses, built a handy lead and then folded. No excuses there.
I would hope the players have learnt their lessons and are ready for finals now weather we finish top 4 or not.
Westcoast did lose 3 eliminations in a row before making the GF 2 years in a row and winning a flag.
Nothing to say that its the same course were on but I think we're in a good spot with the playing group and coach despite the disappointment of the past few years.
That core group of players Delidio, Cotchspud, Dustin, Rance, Maric, JRoo, Houli and now guys like Ellis, Yarren, Vlas and Ty are at the age that Premierships are built upon, whereas they weren't at that collective age in previous assaults in the losing finals
Tigers fans may find this article from 2011 interesting
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-list-their-mistakes-20110514-1enk4.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-list-their-mistakes-20110514-1enk4.html)
It covers the Tiges contemporary history of recruiting woes and how Hardwick modified their recruitment strategy to make the club successful with both early picks and trading
Just dustin this ol chestnut off. ;D
For your record holding coach this Friday. 139 matches at the helm without a finals victory. A VFL/AFL record. ;D
I think everyone knows my thoughts on this subject seventh year in and it looks pretty bleak , our development of young players is not very good Menadue looks promising for a young guy Lennon does not seem to doing much so far and young Ellis needs more time apart from that any of the rest don't seem to be jumping out , the club continues to trade in B grade rejects from other clubs with poor skills and to draft Yarran and let this proven lazy player turn up over weight and out of shape is not good enough
People will say no Dimma is the man but I am sure he is not we are getting left behind again by other clubs showing much better drafting , coaching and development
Just one word NO
Hey, if you're wrong it will be a good thing to be wrong about haha
The answer is Yes.
This is the happiest I have ever been about being wrong :)
Quote from: shaker on September 30, 2017, 07:02:05 PM
This is the happiest I have ever been about being wrong :)
Congratulations all
This is a great thread to look back on haha