Round 1 (3)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Swedish Metal (Nails) v Greek Titans (Spinking)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
Russian Roulettes (nostradamus) v Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez)
Norwegian Trolls (picker_man) v Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz)
English Lions (JB Hawks) v Belarus Bison (Lahug)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10)
Round 2 (4)
Greek Titans (Spinking) v Serbian Eagles (Holzman)
Macedonian Wolves (Scrads) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz) v Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock)
Belarus Bison (Lahug) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10) v Norwegian Trolls (picker_man)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Round 3 (5)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
Greek Titans (Spinking) v Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez)
Belgian Bashers (elephants) v Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz)
Swedish Metal (Nails) v Belarus Bison (Lahug)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10)
Russian Roulettes (nostradamus) v Dutch Dinos (Hawka)
Norwegian Trolls (picker_man) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Round 4 (6)
Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez) v Serbian Eagles (Holzman)
Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
Belarus Bison (Lahug) v Greek Titans (Spinking)
Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
English Lions (JB Hawks) v Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock)
Norwegian Trolls (picker_man) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Round 5 (7)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz)
Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez) v Belarus Bison (Lahug)
Macedonian Wolves (Scrads) v Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10)
Greek Titans (Spinking) v Dutch Dinos (Hawka)
Belgian Bashers (elephants) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Swedish Metal (Nails) v Norwegian Trolls (picker_man)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Round 6 (8)
Belarus Bison (Lahug) v Serbian Eagles (Holzman)
Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10) v Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez)
English Lions (JB Hawks) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
Norwegian Trolls (picker_man) v Greek Titans (Spinking)
Russian Roulettes (nostradamus) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
Round 7 (9)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10)
Belarus Bison (Lahug) v Dutch Dinos (Hawka)
Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez) v Norwegian Trolls (picker_man)
Macedonian Wolves (Scrads) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Greek Titans (Spinking) v Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock)
Belgian Bashers (elephants) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
Round 8 (10)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v Serbian Eagles (Holzman)
English Lions (JB Hawks) v Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10)
Norwegian Trolls (picker_man) v Belarus Bison (Lahug)
Russian Roulettes (nostradamus) v Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez)
Swedish Metal (Nails) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
Belgian Bashers (elephants) v Greek Titans (Spinking)
Round 9 (14)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v Norwegian Trolls (picker_man)
Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Belarus Bison (Lahug) v Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock)
Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Macedonian Wolves (Scrads) v Greek Titans (Spinking)
Round 10 (15)
Norwegian Trolls (picker_man) v Serbian Eagles (Holzman)
Russian Roulettes (nostradamus) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Dutch Dinos (Hawka)
Swedish Metal (Nails) v Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10)
Belgian Bashers (elephants) v Belarus Bison (Lahug)
Greek Titans (Spinking) v Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz)
Macedonian Wolves (Scrads) v Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez)
Round 11 (16)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Norwegian Trolls (Adamant) v Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock)
English Lions (JB Hawks) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10) v Greek Titans (Spinking)
Belarus Bison (Lahug) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz) v Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez)
Round 12 (17)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Serbian Eagles (Holzman)
Swedish Metal (Nails) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Belgian Bashers (elephants) v Norwegian Trolls (Adamant)
Greek Titans (Spinking) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Macedonian Wolves (Scrads) v Dutch Dinos (Hawka)
Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez) v Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10)
Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz) v Belarus Bison (Lahug)
Round 13 (18)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Russian Roulettes (nostradamus) v Greek Titans (Spinking)
Norwegian Trolls (Adamant) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
English Lions (JB Hawks) v Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz)
Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10) v Belarus Bison (Lahug)
Round 14 (Rivalry Round - No Home Games) (19)
Serbian Eagles (Holzman) v Vatican Valkyries (Ziplock)
Spanish Stallions (Torpedo10) v Belgian Bashers (elephants)
Greek Titans (Spinking) v Macedonian Wolves (Scrads)
Dutch Dinos (Hawka) v English Lions (JB Hawks)
Scotland Savage Sons (Whatlez) v Russian Roulettes (nostradamus)
Norwegian Trolls (Adamant) v Swedish Metal (Nails)
Iceland Polar Bears (Hellopplz) v Belarus Bison (LaHug)
...
are we playing HA games during the bye rounds?
Quote from: Ziplock on April 12, 2013, 05:54:54 PM
...
are we playing HA games during the bye rounds?
no same as last year.
East v West comp
well... for instance you have round 13 listed as a round, and I know that's when the giants have their multi bye...
Quote from: Ziplock on April 12, 2013, 08:39:43 PM
well... for instance you have round 13 listed as a round, and I know that's when the giants have their multi bye...
thats round 13 of the euro. you notice it starts at round 1 which is this week yet we are in round 3 of the real afl.
Quote from: Holzman on April 12, 2013, 11:17:35 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on April 12, 2013, 08:39:43 PM
well... for instance you have round 13 listed as a round, and I know that's when the giants have their multi bye...
thats round 13 of the euro. you notice it starts at round 1 which is this week yet we are in round 3 of the real afl.
well, that makes more sense.
care to clarify what weeks they are though? :P
Holz will have official ladders out soon, but in the meantime - this is where win/loss would have you at present...
Serbian Eagles 5-5-0-0 (Played-Win-Draw-Loss)
Russian Roulettes 5-5-0-0
Swedish Metal 5-4-0-1
Iceland Polar Bears 5-3-1-1
Macedonian Wolves 5-3-0-2
English Lions 5-2-2-1
Belgian Bashers 5-2-0-3
Greek Titans 5-2-0-3
Vatican Valkyries 5-1-2-2
Belarus Bison 5-2-0-3
Scotland Savage Sons 5-1-0-4
Norwegian Trolls 5-1-0-4
Dutch Dinos 5-0-1-4
Spanish Stallions 5-0-0-5
Great work Spink :)
Damn didnt realise I only drew with Hawka, didnt work out his score as I assumed I won :(
amazing effort spinking.
good to see Im undefeated,
Belgian Pretenders middle of the pack i see.
Thanks for the effort Spink!!
Wooo not last !
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 10:03:10 AM
Belgian Pretenders middle of the pack i see.
We are a train that his just taking off, wait for us to get to full steam ahead come finals and pray that you're not in our way.
Quote from: elephants on May 14, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 10:03:10 AM
Belgian Pretenders middle of the pack i see.
We are a train that his just taking off, wait for us to get to full steam ahead come finals and pray that you're not in our way.
scary thing is the eagles are just humming along nicely but have lots of room for improvment. Boyd is scoring un boyd like, and guys like gibbs boomer have missed a few games. We can improve from here.
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 14, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 10:03:10 AM
Belgian Pretenders middle of the pack i see.
We are a train that his just taking off, wait for us to get to full steam ahead come finals and pray that you're not in our way.
scary thing is the eagles are just humming along nicely but have lots of room for improvment. Boyd is scoring un boyd like, and guys like gibbs boomer have missed a few games. We can improve from here.
I am very scared.
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/E8B/sarcasm/image.png)
Quote from: elephants on May 14, 2013, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 14, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 10:03:10 AM
Belgian Pretenders middle of the pack i see.
We are a train that his just taking off, wait for us to get to full steam ahead come finals and pray that you're not in our way.
scary thing is the eagles are just humming along nicely but have lots of room for improvment. Boyd is scoring un boyd like, and guys like gibbs boomer have missed a few games. We can improve from here.
I am very scared.
you shouldnt be scared, you have already played me and you will be long gone before you even have a shot of facing the mighty eagles.
Nost is who im worried about.
#willbashersmakethe8
#nofarknobashers
Bashers still to face the might of the young Greek brigade.
Pencil in another loss Ele. ;)
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 14, 2013, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 14, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 14, 2013, 10:03:10 AM
Belgian Pretenders middle of the pack i see.
We are a train that his just taking off, wait for us to get to full steam ahead come finals and pray that you're not in our way.
scary thing is the eagles are just humming along nicely but have lots of room for improvment. Boyd is scoring un boyd like, and guys like gibbs boomer have missed a few games. We can improve from here.
I am very scared.
you shouldnt be scared, you have already played me and you will be long gone before you even have a shot of facing the mighty eagles.
Nost is who im worried about.
Talking yourself into a false sense of security? Its cute that you feel we're such a threat dude.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 14, 2013, 01:15:26 PM
#willbashersmakethe8
#nofarknobashers
#whereisheat
#Ineedtotrackhimdown
Quote from: Spinking on May 14, 2013, 01:27:47 PM
Bashers still to face the might of the young Greek brigade.
Pencil in another loss Ele. ;)
Defintely mate, guess we are 3-5 atm and then ;)
Again, this is not spot on - Holz can figure out %s etc when he finishes up Exams.
1. Serbian Eagles 6-6-0-0 (Played-Win-Draw-Loss)
2. Russian Roulettes 6-6-0-0
3. Swedish Metal 6-5-0-1
4. Macedonian Wolves 6-4-0-2
5. Iceland Polar Bears 6-3-1-2
6. English Lions 6-2-2-2
7. Greek Titans 6-3-0-3
8. Belgian Bashers 6-2-0-4
9. Vatican Valkyries 6-1-2-3
10. Belarus Bison 6-2-0-4
11. Scotland Savage Sons 6-2-0-4
12. Norwegian Trolls 6-1-0-5
13. Spanish Stallions 6-1-0-5
14. Dutch Dinos 6-0-1-5
are we doing % for scored for/ against, total points, or % based on competition average for the round?
did we decide on this?
once again, I advocate for one of the last 2 :P
Quote from: Ziplock on May 19, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
are we doing % for scored for/ against, total points, or % based on competition average for the round?
did we decide on this?
once again, I advocate for one of the last 2 :P
Percentages want too keep it like that.
Quote from: Holzman on May 19, 2013, 10:27:28 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 19, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
are we doing % for scored for/ against, total points, or % based on competition average for the round?
did we decide on this?
once again, I advocate for one of the last 2 :P
Percentages want too keep it like that.
we can't even do it on % based on the comps average scores? :(
Quote from: Holzman on May 19, 2013, 10:27:28 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 19, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
are we doing % for scored for/ against, total points, or % based on competition average for the round?
did we decide on this?
once again, I advocate for one of the last 2 :P
Percentages want too keep it like that.
l agree.....percentages based on points for and against is more inline with the real thing
It's a different game, you need to make modifications (like for instance our rookie draft, where skipping nat picks does not give you an equivalent rookie pick).
Unlike AFL your team has no direct influence on the scoring of your opposition. % based on competition total points/ competition average would be better- you maintain the % system, but it's an equal playing field... I don't understand for instance, why lets say 2 teams who finish equal 8th, could have a stronger team missing out on finals because, hypothetically, the dinos scored 1600 against them on a freak day, but only scored 900 against the other team.
Ossies argument against that was 'why dont we just disband the entire HA season then'... which technically, would be the best way of judging teams strengths and who has the best team... obviously. The point of the HA system is the actual head to head competition makes it more interesting and exciting- it's like dt, you dont get pumped because you outscored rank 298th this week, you get pumped because you beat your showerhouse friends team which is ranked 160k :P
But, for finals, where the draw can be decided by %, someone getting in and getting out can be decided by %, and draft picks can be decided by %, I don't think all those should be determined by how many points your opponents have managed to score against you considering that you physically cant prevent their scoring.
Just no.
It will go to a vote.
I see where you're coming from Zippy, try to keep it more even and try for strong teams not to lose out on finals due to unlucky fixtures/weeks. In World's I've faced that problem as always come up against high scorers or have a bad round against lower scorers ::).
Think they want to keep it realistic with the For/Against %. Any team can win on their day so guess that's how it plays here as well. We can't control scoring of opponents but some teams can still stand up on the day (e.g. GWS against Bombers), so it happens :P. Although hopefully a big scorer isn't unlucky enough to miss out on finals due to too many of these high scoring opponents!
my other concern is draft picks- where theoretically a significantly stronger team could receive a higher draft pick than a weaker team, purely because they had more points against them.
I know people will say stuff like we shouldn't deal in hypotheticals... but you really need to (aka, 2010 GF... afl didn't have a system in place in event of a draw, and that was kind of a flower up).
I can understand the desire to maintain a %... but I think the 'against' should be a constant, to equalise this area of the playing field... whether the constant be an arbitary number, an average for the round/ year, or using a team as a barometer.
Yes, that draft picks thing is a killer point.
Like its criminal that we got pick 3 last year when we were actually the best team in the comp!
Seriously though, I'm sold Zip.
Quote from: elephants on May 21, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
Yes, that draft picks thing is a killer point.
Like its criminal that holz got pick 1 last year when he was actually the best team in the comp!
Seriously though, I'm sold Zip.
Fixed.
Zip is putting it to vote now.
well, holz in that scenario actually finished last based on points, not on %, but the point is applicable to the final positions of norway and scotland (had holz gotten 4 wins instead of 3 he would have finished 13th, despite significantly outscoring england)
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,55738.0.html
norway was the better team over the season and scored more points, tied with scotland on HA points, yet finished lower on the ladder and got a higher draft pick.
anyway, you get it.
also has an effect on finals draw which I dont think I highlighted in the pm.
Why dont we just get rid of the home and away season, get rid of positions and just go on total points scored ::)
The draw is half the bloody fun of XVs, if your a lesser team you can hope to upset one of the better teams on the your day.
Quote from: Holzman on May 21, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 21, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
Yes, that draft picks thing is a killer point.
Like its criminal that I got pick 3 last year when he was actually the best team in the comp!
Seriously though, I'm sold Zip.
Fixed.
Nup
Quote from: elephants on May 22, 2013, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: Holzman on May 21, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 21, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
Yes, that draft picks thing is a killer point.
Like its criminal that I got pick 3 last year when he was actually the best team in the comp!
Seriously though, I'm sold Zip.
Fixed.
Nup
you might be wanting to improve your 2-4 record when you start throwing out those comments. The roulletes are looking super strong, I need a mid season trade period to trade some defenders for forwards to make me invincible.
well, I can't actually respond to any PM's atm because I've hit my cap.
But, ftr JB,
'You dont need to prevent there scoring just score more then them
Gws got destroyed by 100+ by the crows yet games against better sides such as hawks and bombers were closer, why? Because even in the afl its luck of the draw and dependant on which opposition team rocks up. It wasnt necessarily that crows played better then the hawks it was that gws played worse. '
you've just proved my point. In the AFL, if a team plays better, their opposition won't score as much against them (to simplify). In euros, even if your team plays great, it won't influence the scoring of your opposition at all.
And, as I said before
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 21, 2013, 11:07:25 PM
Why dont we just get rid of the home and away season, get rid of positions and just go on total points scored ::)
The draw is half the bloody fun of XVs, if your a lesser team you can hope to upset one of the better teams on the your day.
That system would actually more accurately show a teams strength and be fairer. It's not practical however, since the majority of the fun comes from the head to head competitions. The % change itself doesn't detract from that at all, but it does mean that come the end of the season, the top 8, final draws and draft picks will be more fairly allocated.
(pokes head in)
Zip makes good points!
And not just because it would have meant in Worlds last year I would have made the finals instead of 9th :(
But it is luck of the draw, that's the point in my view. But either system is valid! But it is fantasy football, and to me that includes a percentage - like every other AFL fantasy comp.
Confused by Zip saying the AFL didn't have a system in place for the AFL 2010 drawn Grand Final? It was in the rules all along, happened twice before, and made the AFL bucket loads of money - I think it was a very deliberate system! But that's off topic :P
Quote from: Ziplock on May 22, 2013, 10:50:15 AM
well, I can't actually respond to any PM's atm because I've hit my cap.
But, ftr JB,
'You dont need to prevent there scoring just score more then them
Gws got destroyed by 100+ by the crows yet games against better sides such as hawks and bombers were closer, why? Because even in the afl its luck of the draw and dependant on which opposition team rocks up. It wasnt necessarily that crows played better then the hawks it was that gws played worse. '
you've just proved my point. In the AFL, if a team plays better, their opposition won't score as much against them (to simplify). In euros, even if your team plays great, it won't influence the scoring of your opposition at all.
And, as I said before
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 21, 2013, 11:07:25 PM
Why dont we just get rid of the home and away season, get rid of positions and just go on total points scored ::)
The draw is half the bloody fun of XVs, if your a lesser team you can hope to upset one of the better teams on the your day.
That system would actually more accurately show a teams strength and be fairer. It's not practical however, since the majority of the fun comes from the head to head competitions. The % change itself doesn't detract from that at all, but it does mean that come the end of the season, the top 8, final draws and draft picks will be more fairly allocated.
No my point was just like the afl in euros you can come up against a team that out performs its average so you just gotta cop it and deal with it.
just go undfeated throught the year and than dont need to worry about percentage of all, not sure why you guys just dont do that ;)
Quote from: ossie85 on May 22, 2013, 10:56:30 AM
(pokes head in)
Zip makes good points!
And not just because it would have meant in Worlds last year I would have made the finals instead of 9th :(
But it is luck of the draw, that's the point in my view. But either system is valid! But it is fantasy football, and to me that includes a percentage - like every other AFL fantasy comp.
Confused by Zip saying the AFL didn't have a system in place for the AFL 2010 drawn Grand Final? It was in the rules all along, happened twice before, and made the AFL bucket loads of money - I think it was a very deliberate system! But that's off topic :P
yeah, sorry os, I addressed this in the private messages, I got confused because at the time people were saying that the system in place was dodgy, and how they wanted extra time instead or w.e
Like, this system will still include percentage, it's just that it'll be based on an arbitary number (for instance, 1300 for the raw score), but it just eliminates a bit of luck. Like, the difference between getting pick 1 in the draft and getting pick 4 based on % rather than overall points can be a pretty huge difference to how a team goes.
Anyway, it's going to a vote, we'll see how it rolls :P
Quote from: Holzman on May 22, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
Quote from: elephants on May 22, 2013, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: Holzman on May 21, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 21, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
Yes, that draft picks thing is a killer point.
Like its criminal that I got pick 3 last year when he was actually the best team in the comp!
Seriously though, I'm sold Zip.
Fixed.
Nup
you might be wanting to improve your 2-4 record when you start throwing out those comments. The roulletes are looking super strong, I need a mid season trade period to trade some defenders for forwards to make me invincible.
I've said it before. Season isn't won in the first six weeks ::)
And I'll throw out whatever comments I want regardless of my ladder position.
Quote from: elephants on May 22, 2013, 04:10:04 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 22, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
Quote from: elephants on May 22, 2013, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: Holzman on May 21, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 21, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
Yes, that draft picks thing is a killer point.
Like its criminal that I got pick 3 last year when he was actually the best team in the comp!
Seriously though, I'm sold Zip.
Fixed.
Nup
you might be wanting to improve your 2-4 record when you start throwing out those comments. The roulletes are looking super strong, I need a mid season trade period to trade some defenders for forwards to make me invincible.
I've said it before. Season isn't won in the first six weeks ::)
And I'll throw out whatever comments I want regardless of my ladder position.
just make sure you make finals. After all the preseason talk anything short of a grand final postion will be an embarrasment.
Quote from: Holzman on May 22, 2013, 04:13:11 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 22, 2013, 04:10:04 PM
Quote from: Holzman on May 22, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
Quote from: elephants on May 22, 2013, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: Holzman on May 21, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 21, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
Yes, that draft picks thing is a killer point.
Like its criminal that I got pick 3 last year when he was actually the best team in the comp!
Seriously though, I'm sold Zip.
Fixed.
Nup
you might be wanting to improve your 2-4 record when you start throwing out those comments. The roulletes are looking super strong, I need a mid season trade period to trade some defenders for forwards to make me invincible.
I've said it before. Season isn't won in the first six weeks ::)
And I'll throw out whatever comments I want regardless of my ladder position.
just make sure you make finals. After all the preseason talk anything short of a grand final postion will be an embarrasment.
Pfft, whatevs mate. We have been killed by injuries and shower form. We'll be fine.
You almost lost to a Beamsless England :P
'almost' ;)
We are a team that cares about our fans. We want them to see some excitement ;)
Almost beating the Bashers is one of Englands highlights of the season and we will live it up accordingly :P
Hahaha no worries mate ;) 8)
Quote from: Holzman on April 12, 2013, 12:10:54 AM
1. Serbian Eagles 6-6-0-0 (Played-Win-Draw-Loss)
2. Russian Roulettes 6-6-0-0
3. Swedish Metal 6-5-0-1
4. Macedonian Wolves 6-4-0-2
5. Iceland Polar Bears 6-3-1-2
6. English Lions 6-2-2-2
7. Greek Titans 6-3-0-3
8. Belgian Bashers 6-2-0-4
9. Vatican Valkyries 6-1-2-3
10. Belarus Bison 6-2-0-4
11. Scotland Savage Sons 6-2-0-4
12. Norwegian Trolls 6-1-0-5
13. Spanish Stallions 6-1-0-5
14. Dutch Dinos 6-0-1-5
4-2 isn't bad considering both my losses have been against the powerhouses of the comp in Serbia and Russia, Already have defeated Iceland, Belgium and the Vatican which means I have mainly weaker teams still yet to play :)
we are know going with the percentage based of the comps average on a majority vote by the comp.
that sucks
well, a vote's a vote.
it was really close though.
Quote from: Ziplock on May 30, 2013, 07:28:45 PM
well, a vote's a vote.
it was really close though.
Can totally see shower hitting the fan if someone who voted to keep it how it was finish's outside the finals on the new system but would have made it on the old system :P
you'd only really be spewing if you could have won the finals series from there.
otherwise you'd be grateful that you get a higher draft pick next year.
Top 3 can be happy. Putting Wolves in their place this week means us Metal have 2 game lead on 4th and 1st and 2nd a 3 game lead provided they win this week.
(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s378/Spinking81/Ladder_zps4766b412.png) (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/Spinking81/media/Ladder_zps4766b412.png.html)
Nice ladder look Spink!
Looks fairly even for points scored which shows a pretty even comp 8). COuld be anybody's game come finals for the top 8!
Great work Spink! Wish I could say the same for my Bashers!
yeeeeah go the valkyries.
And everyone thought the Scotland savage sons actually sucked. Middle finger directed at you Zip.
well, we're only halfway through the season and atm you're ranked equal 5th/6th on overall points.
I rated you at 10th averaging 1363 pppg, when currently you're averaging 1309, so really I didn't massively underrate you, I if anything overrated you.
My ratings were based on best case team scenarios, your team has performed close to what I identified as its best case scenario this year, compared to other teams which have significantly performed below due to injuries, form drops etc.
let's just look at what I said
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2013, 08:14:40 PM
Team: Scotland Savage Sons
Coach: Whatlez
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 10th, 1363
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back D Pearce 78
Back Grima 76
Back Brennan 80
Back Ibbotson 72
Mid Jack 200
Mid Grigg 93
Mid Jones 90
Mid Boak 100
Ruck Maric 90
Fwd Wellingham 88
Fwd Dahlhaus 85
Fwd Fasolo 75
Fwd Blair 75
Util Prestia 78
Util Young 83
Analysis:
The sons. A highly controversial team, in the sense that they appeared to be working in collusion with the Bashers, some highly suspect, and hotly debated trades between the two taking place in the off season. Whatlez has had his judgement and coaching ability doubted, at some point, by nearly every competitor in the league at some point, to be fair however, he has had one of the most difficult teams to work with- the sons have already had (3?) coaches since their initial draft, and every new coach brought to the team a new strategy and plan that, in the end, gave the Sons an exceptionally cobbled look.
Purely for interest however, I ran a quick calculation on the Sons possible team from last year, to see if these accusations were founded.... and I've found that, by my score, their 2012 squad would be scoring 22 ppg less than their 2013 one. So, despite what people have said about the Sons, there's been a small, but definite improvement on their best 15.
That being said, it's easy to see why this team is pushing for a bottom 4 finish. No legitimate captaincy option, a very weak defensive line, and being reliant on far too many 70 odd players- especially an overload on small forwards. That being said, with the youth the suns have in various positions, conca, wines, mayes, Matera, rohan, mckenzie etc. I wouldn't say the future is bleak- they're definitely going to prosper from a few high draft picks soon.
Back: Firstly, imo, Mckenzie should be taking the field in the best 4 here, but personal preference. This is pretty poor line- Pearce is, at absolute best, a player who can just scrape an 80 average. At best. I've honestly probably been generous with grima and brennans averages- brennans 29 and was clearly designated to lock down last season, while grima's 28 and's only played just over 50 games in his career. Ibbotson is a very average medium defender, although, to be fair, is still young enough that he could become worthwhile.
The cover isn't too amazing either past Mckenzie- who I personally rate, but honestly don't see him holding defence eligible long- currently he's just there since the ball's spend so much time thumping through GCs posts that they need someone like mckenzie, with his booming kick, to just clear it as far as possible up the field. When GC develop more and begin to contest games more often, I honestly see Mckenzie with his monster distance being significantly more valuable in the HF line. Geary is average, Addison is shocking. Suban, might, if he's lucky, make something of himself. Thurlow could be alright, while Corr and Frawley are both key backs. Basically the Sons defensive future depends on Thurlow, Suban and Geary... not very promising unfortunately.
Mids: Scotland kind of saves themselves here- Whilst I cant see Grigg ever going past a 100 average, he's definitely good enough to take the field (not good enough to trade for selwood though). Jones, Boak both show huge potential, and should be able to push 100+ soon, while Jack has already demonstrated what a beast he is.
The Bench is pretty decent as well- Conca, Wines, Mzungu, Mayes, Broomhead should all be solid enough, Armfield for cover along with Picken, it's a pretty decent line up. Could be scary in a few years, especially with prestia developing and young just providing some solid scores for a while.
Rucks: Maybe a little thin, Maric is a beast though, and Grundy and Witts are arguably the two best young rucks in the system, so I'd rate this as a solid line up.
Fwds: Definitely light here- betting on wellingham to maintain fwd eligibility in a new team is a gamble, while pretty much the rest of the team, Fasolo, Blair, Dahlhaus, Matera, Ballantyne, Nahas, Pretrenko are all small forwards, with only simpson, rohan, pettard and may being medium, and most of them having various issues of their own.
On top of that, personally, I don't rate Blair much at all as a Dter, and can see him, as I've shown here, having a slip in average. The fact is in general, that very, very few small forwards average 80+... recently, there's boomer, and chapman (he's a nuggett though, hardly small) and that's about it.
Strengths: The midfield scoring combined with it's youth is definitely a strength for the sons. Hopefully they'll have enough young mids fire that they can trade off one or two for a decent defender/ forward. The rucks are a strength as well, having the two young pies is a definite bonus, and Maric as I've said, is an A grade ruck by himself.
Weaknesses: Definitely the backs. So many issues with this. I would say the forwards as well, but with a bit of luck, they could still be half decent, if mckenzie becomes a forward and mayes develops properly. The defensive line definitely needs desperate work asap, that's what I'd be focusing on next draft.
How to win the flag: I really, really, really don't see this happening this year. Look, if Brennan goes back to mid 80s, Grima, Mckenzie, Pearce all break out likewise while Jack goes 110, Grigg, Jones, Boak, Prestia, Young go 100+ and a couple of the fwds scrape 90, then maybe.
This year though- highly improbable.
Backs: Mckenzie on the field, tick
Peace- scraping 80 average, tick
brennan/grima being average: tick
ibbotson: average at the time, potential (clearly reached this season)
mids: Grigg: 94 average, tick
jones: I overrated this year, fail
boak: 100+, tick
kieran jack: tick
prestia: developing (has developed)
rucks: a little thin, tick
fwds: pretty much completely right
actually, a lot of my predictions for you have been really, really good. What's definitely been helping though is that you've had minimal injuries: mckenzie and ibbo missed the first couple of games, maric's been pretty average and missed 2 games, but apart from that the majority of the season you've been relatively unscathed, when a lot of teams have been decimated by LTI and suspension.
once again to reiterate, I rated all these teams barring injury and suspension, your team has avoided these dt killers largely this season, and subsequently you're performing very close to my initial predicted, while the majority of teams are below.
Prestia beat his 78 ave :P But yeah I have gotten injuries in my forwards like Wellingham, Fasolo, Matera etc, etc.
Can someone let me know when the R10 thread starts as i will be posting Scrads team this week
No major changes in the ladder this week. Iceland overtakes Scotland in the race to the finals, but otherwise fairly predictable results.
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Iceland continues it's scramble up the ladder. Russia drops out of the top 2 and the Lions make way for the Valkyries in the 8.
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Only just noticed the ladders... Top 4 in points but only 6th on the ladder. Unfortunate for the Bison as a top 4 finish would be very handy.
I have 2 draws, and I think we're using a 4 point win 2 point draw system :P
so, we're equal on points, but I'm ahead on overall :P
he can pay me back first round of the world cup if he wants ;)
Quote from: Ziplock on July 18, 2013, 02:38:40 PM
I have 2 draws, and I think we're using a 4 point win 2 point draw system :P
so, we're equal on points, but I'm ahead on overall :P
he can pay me back first round of the world cup if he wants ;)
didnt see the 2 draws.
What a round! A few upsets, Scotland crash out of the top 8 and the Roulettes re-establish themselves as the likely challenger to Serbia. The competition is so close that 2 wins separates 4th and 10th.
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Bullshower round for the Metal. Perhaps some lacklustre team selections. We'll sit down hard and think about future team selections a lot better.
Roulettes the challengers to the Eagles? Despite the fact we've outscored them this season? :o
Quote from: Nails on July 24, 2013, 12:38:31 PM
Bullshower round for the Metal. Perhaps some lacklustre team selections. We'll sit down hard and think about future team selections a lot better.
Roulettes the challengers to the Eagles? Despite the fact we've outscored them this season? :o
time to prove yourself than.
Eagles v Metal this week.
im looking to bounce back from a shocking effort from my backine last week.
Goodard Gibbs Shaw and Eski got me 275 i expect 350+ from them.
North v Dees: I have Thompson Petrie Boomer and Goldy, watch out
I have Thompson, Petrie and Boomer in WXVs. Don't have the Stein though :(
Bartel's suspension is a huge blow to us and nearly hands you the match as our forward line is our weakest position.
Aaaaaand we're in the 8 ;)
Quote from: elephants on July 24, 2013, 03:24:17 PM
Aaaaaand we're in the 8 ;)
you will be the danger team come finals, I defaintely wouldnt want to play you at full strength.
Got a bit excited when I saw the Titans were only 1 game outside the top 4... Then realised we're up against Nostra and Scrads in the last 2 rounds. ::)
Quote from: Spinking on July 24, 2013, 05:36:45 PM
Got a bit excited when I saw the Titans were only 1 game outside the top 4... Then realised we're up against Nostra and Scrads in the last 2 rounds. ::)
got to beat the best to be the best.
Well, what a great round we can expect for the final week of regular season EXV. Congratulations to Holzman and the Serbian Eagles for securing the minor premiership. A very convincing season, without loss. The top 4 is almost decided, with Russia and Sweden assured the double chance, and Macedonia facing some pressure from Iceland and smoky Belarus making a late charge.
The wooden spoon is not yet decided, with the Dino's looking a good bet to take the honor, but Norway still an outside chance if things go against them. The Stallions and Lions have battled valiantly, but they are now no longer in the hunt for the finals.
All the action appears to be in the middle of the field with the Titans, Valkyries, Savage Sons and Bashers battling for the final two spots in the 8. The Bashers appear to have the pick of the fixture - facing the Stallions, while other contenders are all facing top 4 opponents.
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Congrats Holz!
Great work Spink!
Dammit. 4th most points still but now almost certain to finish outside of the top 4 :(
Great work Spink, love what your doing with the ladder and the Game Day thread mate.
*just one small thing though, you forgot to add on this weeks points to the total points on the ladder
Quote from: nostradamus on July 28, 2013, 10:04:15 PM
Great work Spink, love what your doing with the ladder and the Game Day thread mate.
*just one small thing though, you forgot to add on this weeks points to the total points on the ladder
Thanks Mate. Will fix up and post in a minute.
Updated below. Will also have the ladder updated with %s before the end of the week...
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Quote from: Spinking on July 28, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
Quote from: nostradamus on July 28, 2013, 10:04:15 PM
Great work Spink, love what your doing with the ladder and the Game Day thread mate.
*just one small thing though, you forgot to add on this weeks points to the total points on the ladder
Thanks Mate. Will fix up and post in a minute.
Cheers Spink, just thought Nails might like seeing them up there ;)
Well done on the Minor Premiership Holz, thoroughly deserved mate.......a powerhouse season from you
Congrats Holz!
In typical holz fashion watch me go down in the prelims or grabdfinal. I'm the home and away champ.never win anything always just miss out
Hope I use all my luck up in SC
An off season project of mine will be to record all XV matches (WXV, EXV, BXV, AXV, Champions and World Cup) matches as I'm a huge fan of recording these things and I need something to do at work in the off-season lol...
But to save me some work, is there a list of results in spreadsheet format somewhere --> and even better a list of who coached which team when?
Oz
Quote from: ossie85 on July 30, 2013, 10:58:32 AM
An off season project of mine will be to record all XV matches (WXV, EXV, BXV, AXV, Champions and World Cup) matches as I'm a huge fan of recording these things and I need something to do at work in the off-season lol...
But to save me some work, is there a list of results in spreadsheet format somewhere --> and even better a list of who coached which team when?
Oz
I have it on my comp for last year and the early rounds. not sure what spinking does.
This is the ladder with %s. Will post up a live ladder during the weekend, think final results will go down to the wire.
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If we win and Macedonia lose, we get top 4! GO BISON!
Here it is folks. Congratulations again to those who made finals, and in particular Holz who capped off an unbeaten year. Sure to be an exciting finals series.
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Holz will need to confirm this - Not certain if EXV Finals follow the AFL format, but by my calculations this should see Finals Round 1 as:
1st Qualifying Final: Serbian Eagles (Home) V Macedonian Wolves
2nd Qualifying Final: Russian Roulettes (Home) V Swedish Metal
1st Elimination Final: Belarus Bison (Home) V Vatican City Valkyries
2nd Elimination Final: Iceland Polar Bears (Home) V Belgian Bashers
Some great looking matches in there!!!
Top stuff spinking finals matchups are correct, unlucky about your titans.
Am I the only one who'd like to see it changed next year to somewhere where like only the top 6 make finals?
(until we have/get two expansion teams)
AFL had top 8 for 16 teams which was half and now 8 from 18 make finals. Finals are meant to be for the good/best teams to compete in. I'm not a fan of teams with LOSING record making finals.
I'd like to see something like Top 6 make finals
It'd have to be something like a 3 week finals series
Top 2 automatically into prelim
3rd vs. 6th and 4th vs. 5th to get into prelim. Losers eliminated and winners play 1st and 2nd for prelim finals. I just don't think teams with records of 6-0-8 and 5-2-7 deserve to call themselves finalists.
Bashers did not deserve finals :P we'll try upset a few but we're missing so many stars and even shining lights like Houli, Jelwood and Lynchy are beginning to slow down :(
Just my opinion, but I reckon it is ok the way it is. Understand what Nails is saying and it makes sense, but I would prefer to avoid a change for 2 reasons:
Firstly having a large group finals meant things were interesting for a lot longer for those not competing for the flag. Until the last round all but 3 teams had a chance to make the finals. I think this is good for keeping people interested - Just from my experience it was coaches out of the running who sometimes named players who weren't playing, forgot emergencies, just posted up last weeks team without checking etc.
Secondly my preference is to keep the league at this size - means better quality squads and better coaches.
2 cents worth... ;)
Spuds don't deserve to have their hands holded and interest kept. Not my fault if they can't put together a good side.
Quote from: Nails on August 05, 2013, 07:59:33 AM
Spuds don't deserve to have their hands holded and interest kept. Not my fault if they can't put together a good side.
you inherited your side, didn't even put it together....
so...?
I had the Titans originally with a lot more premos than Spink had ;)
Titans would've been similar strength to the Metal pre-trates anyway. I made some gun trades like bringing in Montagna tbh. I was the one who got our el-cap-itan in.
I just don't think finals should have losing teams. It was things like people saying "unlucky to not make final spink" that grinded my gears. Not really unlucky. He had a losing record and doesn't deserve a spot. Finals are meant to be for the champs of the seasons duking it out for the honour of winning the grand final. Not for losers to get lucky and get a BS title.
Quote from: Nails on August 05, 2013, 10:59:58 AM
I had the Titans originally with a lot more premos than Spink had ;)
Titans would've been similar strength to the Metal pre-trates anyway. I made some gun trades like bringing in Montagna tbh. I was the one who got our el-cap-itan in.
I just don't think finals should have losing teams. It was things like people saying "unlucky to not make final spink" that grinded my gears. Not really unlucky. He had a losing record and doesn't deserve a spot. Finals are meant to be for the champs of the seasons duking it out for the honour of winning the grand final. Not for losers to get lucky and get a BS title.
If your team is good why worry you will just crush those spud teams.
Sometimes spud teams get lucky :o
I just don't like losers getting the honours of being in "finals"
Quote from: Nails on August 05, 2013, 11:09:29 AM
I just don't like losers getting the honours of being in "finals"
I think you're a loser but you get a spot in finals? #doublestandards
Nails this competition is for a bit of fun, there is no $1million at the end of it, so for all intents and purposes an extra week or two for the lower teams is no big deal. It also means our finals structure is exactly like the AFL system and Holz has said right from the beginning that he wants the comp as AFL-related as possible. Who cares if they have a chance to get lucky? upsets are exciting and that is the nature of the game (see Wolves in GF last year :P). Some teams may also be really good but be middle of the road due to injury (i.e. Bashers this year) so it makes it exciting if their players can get on the park for finals.
Just putting it out there, I'd also like it if it were only top 6...
People scared of the Bashers! 8) #notsurprised
Not scared of 'em. Just sorta nearly makes half the season pointless when a team only needs 5-6 wins to make it in. Finals are meant to be for the best of the best. Like in the AFL it's meant to be for the best teams the top tier. In EXVs it's not really the top tier. It's just some good teams and those with losing records.
Scared ;)
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Quote from: Nails on August 05, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
Not scared of 'em. Just sorta nearly makes half the season pointless when a team only needs 5-6 wins to make it in. Finals are meant to be for the best of the best. Like in the AFL it's meant to be for the best teams the top tier. In EXVs it's not really the top tier. It's just some good teams and those with losing records.
to be fair in the afl teams who sneak into 7th or 8th dont really deserve it either. What you worked for was the double chance which gives you a massive advantage.
Quote from: Holzman on August 05, 2013, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 05, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
Not scared of 'em. Just sorta nearly makes half the season pointless when a team only needs 5-6 wins to make it in. Finals are meant to be for the best of the best. Like in the AFL it's meant to be for the best teams the top tier. In EXVs it's not really the top tier. It's just some good teams and those with losing records.
to be fair in the afl teams who sneak into 7th or 8th dont really deserve it either. What you worked for was the double chance which gives you a massive advantage.
Not to mention HGA as well.
Quote from: Spinking on August 05, 2013, 07:20:51 AM
Just my opinion, but I reckon it is ok the way it is. Understand what Nails is saying and it makes sense, but I would prefer to avoid a change for 2 reasons:
Firstly having a large group finals meant things were interesting for a lot longer for those not competing for the flag. Until the last round all but 3 teams had a chance to make the finals. I think this is good for keeping people interested - Just from my experience it was coaches out of the running who sometimes named players who weren't playing, forgot emergencies, just posted up last weeks team without checking etc.
Secondly my preference is to keep the league at this size - means better quality squads and better coaches.
2 cents worth... ;)
+1
Quote from: elephants on August 05, 2013, 02:08:06 AM
Bashers did not deserve finals :P we'll try upset a few but we're missing so many stars and even shining lights like Houli, Jelwood and Lynchy are beginning to slow down :(
Quote from: elephants on August 05, 2013, 01:14:20 PM
People scared of the Bashers! 8) #notsurprised
The Polar bears will be waiting to destroy you guys >:D.
On the finals, when more teams make the finals than miss it, sorta see where Nails is coming from. Certainly could look to decrease the numbers to 6 since it is a competitive league, but not entirely fussed as the strong teams should win out in the end. Unless some freak scores are pulled out by the underdogs :P.
I feel teams like the bashers deserve a shot.
My Eagles arent worried at all, we wil take out anyone who comes up against us.
I would prefer it to run like a normal final series. If we run it in the 6 comp I would have 1 play 2 for auto qualification than 3v 6 and 4v5.
really that disdvantages the 3rd place team which deserves a double shot.
True.. Guess we'll just have some lucky finishers who could cause upsets.
How did the AFL run finals when it was only 6 teams that made it? I don't believe they had 1 and 2 getting auto qualification but I can't remember how it worked off the top of my head...
It's not that we're "scared" of the lower teams...
It's just like saying to someone "my team made finals in euros"
It's like a so what? As long as your team isn't totally young or just pure spuds you can make finals. It's not very hard and doesn't hold much prestige.
my team's really young and full of spuds and I still made formals
#yolo
Quote from: Ziplock on August 07, 2013, 11:57:54 PM
my team's really young and full of spuds and I still made formals
#yolo
Man, that's a true sign of how gun your team is. Wearing formal wear and still making finals.
Nails is a bit cranky haha :P
This is the best top 6 finals format I could find:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_six_play-offs
Quote from: Scrads on August 08, 2013, 12:52:20 AM
This is the best top 6 finals format I could find:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_six_play-offs
Yeah thats not too bad at all. My only critisizm of that is 1st/2nd is a massive advantage. Playing one game to get to the GF compared to others that play up to 4.
Other than feeling sorry for the person finishing 3rd I don't think there is a real issue with that? Nice!
Yeah not a fan of the fact 1st or 2nd is GUARANTEED to play the granny.
To be honest I'm not going to run kicking and screaming if it stays as an 8 team finals. I was just saying I disliked it and thought it ruined the prestige of it even being considered "finals"
I liked my 3 week finals personally
3 vs 6 > 1st vs winner > Winner
vs
4 vs 5 > 2nd vs winner > Winner
Then 3rd/4th/5th/6th all have a chance to make finals and it isn't guaranteed that 1st or 2nd will make it.
Quote from: Nails on August 08, 2013, 12:58:29 AM
Yeah not a fan of the fact 1st or 2nd is GUARANTEED to play the granny.
To be honest I'm not going to run kicking and screaming if it stays as an 8 team finals. I was just saying I disliked it and thought it ruined the prestige of it even being considered "finals"
I liked my 3 week finals personally
3 vs 6 > 1st vs winner > Winner
vs
4 vs 5 > 2nd vs winner > Winner
Then 3rd/4th/5th/6th all have a chance to make finals and it isn't guaranteed that 1st or 2nd will make it.
Why don't you just treat weeks 2-4 of the finals as having 'prestige'? :)
Could do a top 7, I just made this up on the spot...
Week 1:
Team1 v Team2 (A)
Team4 v Team5 (B) -> loser eliminated
Team6 v Team7 (C) -> loser eliminated
Bye: Team3
Week 2:
Loser(A) v winner(C) -> (D)
Team3 v winner(B) -> (E)
Bye: winner(A)
Week 3:
Winner(E) v winner(D) -> (F)
Bye: winner(A)
Week 4:
Winner(A) v winner(F)
two byes for winner A?
Not a huge fan.
I really don't think that top 8 playing off is that big of a deal- that's the format the AFL used when it had 16 teams, and we have 14 so it's really not that much less...
it actually makes it easier for the top four- think of it this way, 8th team (aka, me) is probably going to be pretty far behind 6th placed team (bison) in my case, by like 11% (in contrast, bison is only 10% behind first). That being said, it's completely plausible that I could pull out a monster score against bison and knock them out. However, it's unlikely that I would pull out said monster score 2 weeks in a row, so basically that gives the loser of the top 4 I play a free ride afterwards.
Quote from: Ziplock on August 08, 2013, 11:25:25 AM
I really don't think that top 8 playing off is that big of a deal- that's the format the AFL used when it had 16 teams, and we have 14 so it's really not that much less...
it actually makes it easier for the top four- think of it this way, 8th team (aka, me) is probably going to be pretty far behind 6th placed team (bison) in my case, by like 11% (in contrast, bison is only 10% behind first). That being said, it's completely plausible that I could pull out a monster score against bison and knock them out. However, it's unlikely that I would pull out said monster score 2 weeks in a row, so basically that gives the loser of the top 4 I play a free ride afterwards.
exactly, i feel the 8 team final rewards the top teams more than the 6 model. The 8 version gives a big advantage to the top 4 and really thats what people should be aiming for. From the AFL we all know its incredibly tough to win outside the top 4.
Quote from: Nails on August 08, 2013, 12:02:43 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on August 07, 2013, 11:57:54 PM
my team's really young and full of spuds and I still made formals
#yolo
Man, that's a true sign of how gun your team is. Wearing formal wear and still making finals.
haha, true. Of my best 15 I think goodes is the only one over like 24...
could be wrong though :P
*edit* hawkins is 25, and unfortunately this season has had to start a lot :P
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I wonder how Holz is going to handle not having Serbia in the grand final...
Quote from: Nails on August 11, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
I wonder how Holz is going to handle not having Serbia in the grand final...
Not sure ask me in 7 years when I go into a rebuild.
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Quote from: Holzman on August 11, 2013, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 11, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
I wonder how Holz is going to handle not having Serbia in the grand final...
Not sure ask me in 7 years when I go into a rebuild.
lol
Bring it, Metal!
Quote from: elephants on August 25, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 25, 2013, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: Holzman on August 11, 2013, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 11, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
I wonder how Holz is going to handle not having Serbia in the grand final...
Not sure ask me in 7 years when I go into a rebuild.
lol
ouch aha
To be fair I didn't see the word grand. I will make finals for a long long time
Next year I'm going undefeated all season. An OOP cost me the win and I will fix that.
Quote from: Holzman on July 28, 2013, 11:46:08 PM
In typical holz fashion watch me go down in the prelims or grabdfinal. I'm the home and away champ.never win anything always just miss out
Hope I use all my luck up in SC
Well, you called it. :o
Quote from: Adamant on August 25, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Holzman on July 28, 2013, 11:46:08 PM
In typical holz fashion watch me go down in the prelims or grabdfinal. I'm the home and away champ.never win anything always just miss out
Hope I use all my luck up in SC
Well, you called it. :o
It always happens. Watch me just miss out on the overall sc and go down in the elxam sc grandfinal while I'm at it.
Next year I'm going undefeated all season. An OOP cost me the win and I will fix that.
No it didn't
An injury cost us like 100 points...
You were lucky not to get smashed.
Can anyone who hasn't responded to the EXV Coaches poll please get a response to me ASAP thanks! :)
are we doing the draft based on the ladder, over all points, or a mixture of them + finals?
Quote from: Ziplock on September 02, 2013, 11:59:51 AM
are we doing the draft based on the ladder, over all points, or a mixture of them + finals?
ladder and finals.
so if you got eliminated first round of finals the lower ladder team out of the two gets pick 7 and the other gets pick 8.
so for example i go out in the prelims so i get pick 12. Nails as champ gets pick 14 and Huggy gets 13 as runner up.
Is that how the AFL does it? And how we did it last year? I swear I forget these things incredibly frequently...
Quote from: LaHug on September 02, 2013, 02:46:13 PM
Is that how the AFL does it? And how we did it last year? I swear I forget these things incredibly frequently...
i think its how the afl does it. Its definatetly what we did last year.
All good then :)