In a bit early, but discuss the game against the crows here.
Team
Golby, Merrett, Lester
Adcock, Patfull, Yeo
Zorko, Rockliff, Hanley
Polkinghorn, Brown, Green
McGrath, Martin, Bewick
Rucks - Luenberger, Rich, Moloney
Interchange - Raines, Redden, Karnezis, Beams
Beams will be sub imo
Not so sure on Beams, he did alright after he came in against the Dogs last week after being the sub. Karnezis didn't do too much, maybe he gets the vest instead? I hope not, he needs to score big for me this week.
And come on Lions, lets bounce back with a big win at home! Need them to do well as I have a bet with tbag.
Quote from: BB67th on April 05, 2013, 10:12:54 AM
Not so sure on Beams, he did alright after he came in against the Dogs last week after being the sub. Karnezis didn't do too much, maybe he gets the vest instead? I hope not, he needs to score big for me this week.
And come on Lions, lets bounce back with a big win at home! Need them to do well as I have a bet with tbag.
I really hope Karnezis isn't sub. It will kill my DT. Go well with your bet ::)
Looking at Brisbane's Bench.
Raines - Will probably be required to tag Thompson or Dangerfield unless Zorks or Redden are given the run with roles in which case Raines could get the vest. Doubt this will be the case though as he will add some of the mongrel that was missing last week and may be the support Rich needs to help break the tag.
Lester - Very versatile player who can cover all positions Back, Mid or forward - Because of this versatility hard to see him getting the vest.
Karnezis - Disappointing last week may be given chance to redeem himself but hard to see him avoiding vest given Beams performance last week.
Beams - Possibly as a result of players tiring was really impressive and racked the points up and should avoid vest this week.
Personally I hope Karny avoids the vest as I need him to score well for my Fantasy Teams as well. Would of preferred to see Karny named on field with Polkinghorne on bench and possible vest,
I think our structure looks a little more sound this week with only 2 talls forward and a mosquito brigade of Zorko, Green, Bewick and McGrath, Probaly need to go this way as well to combat Crows run.
Bit disappointed that I may not get to the game due to foot blowing up and I can hardly walk. Good Luck with bet with Tbag BB have had some banter with him myself because he thinks Rog is a spud so really want him to lower Texs shorts tomorrow.
Wow I can't believe Polkinghorne keeps his spot after what he did last week. Was just disgraceful.
Quote from: BB67th on April 05, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Wow I can't believe Polkinghorne keeps his spot after what he did last week. Was just disgraceful.
Could he get the vest? Just because he's named on field, doesn't mean he'll play there
Quote from: nrich102 on April 05, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 05, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Wow I can't believe Polkinghorne keeps his spot after what he did last week. Was just disgraceful.
Could he get the vest? Just because he's named on field, doesn't mean he'll play there
We can only hope. Bewick is the other who wore the vest a few times last year but think he is a little safer this year.
extremely frustrating polkinghorne gets picked at HF when mayes is sitting on the emergency list.
im expecting bewick to be the sub with zorko pushing into the forwards and bewick will replace either polkinghorne or Karnezis
Quote from: strikes91 on April 05, 2013, 04:44:52 PM
extremely frustrating polkinghorne gets picked at HF when mayes is sitting on the emergency list.
im expecting bewick to be the sub with zorko pushing into the forwards and bewick will replace either polkinghorne or Karnezis
If it was last year would agree Strikes but Bewick is playing more the HF role this year and seems to be adapting well. The continued selection of Polkinghorne frustrates me just how many chances will he get, Mayes will get games soon imo just started a little behind the others because of injury.
Really hope we continue to remain injury free with players putting pressure on - Harwood and Clarke were BOG in reserves last week so will put pressure on Defenders, Lisle kicked 6 goals, Banfield and Mayes were also amongst the best so hopefully this will force some of the Seniors to lift this week.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-05/tag-coming-richs-way (http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-05/tag-coming-richs-way) :( :( :(
Yeah Rich really needs to learn how to cope with a tag. It is going to happen to him just about every week.
Not just Rich but his team mates need to help him. Look at other teams as to how taggers are harrassed as well this was lacking against Bulldogs but with Raines back in may add the mongrel.
He has been coping 2nd tag for the last 2 years but with Blackie missing is coping No 1 tag and will be part of his ongoing development.
my thoughts on tonights match.
fantasy owners i think karneizis will be getting the punt tonight. yes he played half a quarter but in the mean time he conceded a costly free kick and didnt chase rory sloane into the forward pocket. voss should take action against that. Great to see big leuy back. fantastic played so mobile for a big man especially coming off a 12 month injury lay off. think voss may ring the changes again this week. yeo was very fumbly tonight.could suffer by getting dropped, either goose will be rushed back in or Docherty may get his debut. Ash McGrath will most likely make way. look for Sam Mayes, Todd Banfield, Jordan lisleand also Aaron Cornellious.
Polkinghorne is vossy's love child so he probably did enough tonight. this would be my changes for next week with note of mcgurie not being fit.
Yeo, McGrath, Karneizis out
Docherty, Mayes, Lisle in
Agree to a certain extent but instead of Docherty maybe Harwood or Clarke who are both playing better than Doc in reserves. If Fit Maguire for Yeo if not Harwood/Clarke.
Banfield has also been tearing up the reserves so he may come into the mix to replace McGrath but I would go with Mayes. Bartlett as also had two good games so he may come into consideration.
Lisle or Cornelius to replace Karny although Karny may be given another chance seeing sub. Agree should cop the full wrath for allowing Sloane to get the position he did especially seeing he was fresh.
Much better performance from the boys yesterday afternoon. Our accuracy in front of goal hurt us especially in third quarter when we were dominating and kicked 4.8 so should have had a much bigger lead going into last quarter. Had more scoring shots than crows 27 - 26 for the game. Windy conditions did not help but still not an excuse for wayward goal kicking.
We really need to turn this goal kicking accuracy business around. It is costing us a lot at the moment, we are not kicking accurately at all over the last couple of years.
Whats the chance of Karnezis getting dropped for the Q Clash?
haha, anyone seen the latest grill?
if you have, you'll know what I mean by classic :P
Quote from: Ziplock on April 10, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
haha, anyone seen the latest grill?
if you have, you'll know what I mean by classic :P
I just watched it. Browny is a classic.
With Beams out with a ACL rupture do you think vossy will bring in sam mayes ?
I think it will be out of 3 options,
One I think Lions will promote Bartlett from Rookie list - bartlett has really been outstanding in seconds and deserves a chance after injury wrecked seasons. Remember he was our first pick in the 2009 draft.
then one of Mayes, Polec or Bartlett will get a go. Think it may involve Zorko returning to mids and playing the other at HF.
My thoughts only.
When Black comes back what will the mids be like?
Surely Moloney will be affected given they play similar styles...
Windi
Vossi has made it clear that Black will be managed this year and use of the substitute will assist in this regard. So i suspect will have little difference to Moloney. (Moloney could develop into one of our smarter recruiting moves)
http://www.lions.com.au/season/team-announcement (http://www.lions.com.au/season/team-announcement)
Here is the team for this week. Mayes to make his debut, but Karnezis has been dropped. Polec replaces Beams.
McKeever in + Lester out = Tanking ??? Just stupid
Like the inclusions of Polec and Mayes. one of them will be handed the vest. McKeever probably comes in to add height to our back line although lester is still a healthy 190 but i think mckeever is pushing the 2m area. Lester did well last week but struggled with a taller opponent
Interesting that Polkinghorne has still maintained his position.
Do not think Karnezis has been given a fair go so hopefully he tones it up in the 2's and warrants early recall.
Mayes deserved promotion and has been one of the better performed mid fielders in 2's along with Bartlett, Bartlett still on Rookie list but I would promote him to replace Beams when able. Mayes will wear the No 32 and lets hope he serves it up to the suns similar to one of the Lions previous 32 wearers Shaun Hart now the Suns reserves coast.
Polec has also been a stand out performer in the 2's and will be used similar to Karnezis but expect him to wear the vest.
McKeever obviously brought in for the extra height 197cms v 191cms for Lester but is really only keeping the seat warm till goose returns.
Yeo is another on shaky ground and hopefully lifts game this week.
This Q clash is starting to get the feel of a real Local Derby at last with the Suns vastly improved.
Polkinghorne is Vossies love child. Don't think he will ever got dropped ::)
With the vest last week, and being dropped this week, where is Karnizie's standing in the Lions makeup? (confused)
Quote from: Dudge on April 11, 2013, 09:37:48 PM
With the vest last week, and being dropped this week, where is Karnizie's standing in the Lions makeup? (confused)
Me too Dudge - Has not been given a fair go in my opinion, Hoping as I said he makes a very strong case for recall in 2's.
But even a really good show in the 2s Ringo, does that mean he gets another shot,considering vest- dropped. I could understand 3/4 bad games, but a great preseason, and now dropped so early. Is it a warning, or he's not rated?
Quote from: Dudge on April 11, 2013, 10:27:47 PM
But even a really good show in the 2s Ringo, does that mean he gets another shot,considering vest- dropped. I could understand 3/4 bad games, but a great preseason, and now dropped so early. Is it a warning, or he's not rated?
Not sure Dudge - He had a problem with endurance last year but his season in 2's seemed to rectify that. Seems to be training ok so hard to put a finger on what the problem is with the coach. Was hoping he would have got a reprieve with the injury to Beams. Disposal at times is an issue with him but he is not alone in that regard.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-12/guess-whos-on-zorkos-back (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-12/guess-whos-on-zorkos-back)
lol, McKenna's and idiot
If that does not fire Zorks up nothing will
So by the look of the board, it did not fire Zorko up. I missed the games tonight. Went to see someone at the comedy festival, recorded the Carlton game and watched that when I got home. What exactly went down tonight? It looked to be a close finish
Looks like the start of a really Derby warfare which will be good for the game in Qld. Already talking about next clash on 6th July.
There was a bit of feeling from both sides which will continue the rivalry in years to come.
Overall game was sloppy due to the ground conditions and my Thoughts on the Game
1. We were the better team for 75% of the game but again for the third week running wasteful in front of goal. Should have game put to be in 3rd quarter but instead allowed GC back in the game. Conditions did not help though.
2. Our defence needs tightening up. The number of time Matera was left free with space should not have happened. Think Golby was on him but bit hard to see.
3. Brown is slowly working back into the season and had his best game in a number of years - Set the tone with the first goal from a difficult angle. nay loose some cash with his wrestle with Warnock.
4. Zorko was well held by Wilkinson and lashed out with an elbow to the head that may be looked at by the MRP. Starting to show his frustrations on the field.
5. Rich was held to just 2 possessions in first quarter by Karmichael Hunt but moved to HB in 2nd qurater in an endeavour to shake tag and started to find it more resulting in his best game for the year.
6. Raines kept Ablett to 27 possessions and continues to shine as a tagger. Despite the 27 possessions Abletts Disposal efficiency was way down 64% due to Raines influence.
7. Hanley continues to shine in his running roles and must have been close to winning the McRae Medal which went to Brown.
8. Sam Mayes shows he is ready for AFL football and may be the rising star nomination this week. Handy downgrade option in 2 weeks with a F/M Dpp.
9. Still need to improve a lot if we are to seriously challenge for Top 8 position.
Reddan may also be cited by the MRP for a shoulder to Abletts head. Do not think anything in it but you never know.
Injuries to Polec and Martin will need to be monitored this week with both doubtful imo.
A shame Polec got injured considering he was given his first chance in the team this year. How was he looking before the injury?
Was an ankle CF so not sure till later in week as scans will probably be done tomorrow. By the way as a Soth Aussie Sam Mayes was very impressive in first outing.
It's a shame Zorko is going so badly :(
What happened to Martin?
Quote from: nrich102 on April 14, 2013, 12:44:58 PM
It's a shame Zorko is going so badly :(
What happened to Martin?
He had ice on ankle as well but do not think it is as bad as Polecs.
Zorko hates GCS, told me so in person at a clinic he was doing with cornhole for the kids i coach. He genuinely hates them, and it was obvious he just wanted to hurt every player he came near in a suns guernsey last night. Don't think his head was in the right place and was a slightly undisciplined efferort for a player who is and should be a genuine leader.
agree with Ringo however his frustrations may have contributed also, and wilkinson did do a good job on him, he should not get cited for that elbow did not connect and browns effort was more ferocious than that and off the ball to boot.
Lions look to be slowly warming up, I will probably use zorko to get burger in but if not doing that i would be happy to continue with him, he is a great player and i am not expecting much stronger opponents to bother putting a tag on zorko.
If they do, well it proves how good he is, but does little for his fantasy future.
Reckon the best part of the game for Lions people would be Browns effort, everything else is coming along nicely with burger back and a functioning fwd line the Lions can compete.
Hanley - how good....
Hanley is looking like the best SuperCoach pick of the season for my team!
Black back will be a huge boost.
will be a massive for the lions. but not so rockliff owners in fantasy. vossy only took 3 weeks to chuck him up forward
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-04-15/zorko-and-redden-cleared
In good news from the MRP both Reddan and Zorko have been cleared of incidents
and in a blow to our chances against North Melbourne Maguire looks set to be ruled out for another 3 weeks. Need to find some tall to match up on Petrie, Hansen and Tarrant. Yeo was found wanting against Suns.
Yeo looked a bit out of it especially in the last quarter, I thought Yeo was the one that was minding Matera. His miss kick late in the last quarter nearly lost them the game. Does he get dropped this week Ringo if so who comes in?
Quote from: Noz on April 15, 2013, 09:08:33 PM
Yeo looked a bit out of it especially in the last quarter, I thought Yeo was the one that was minding Matera. His miss kick late in the last quarter nearly lost them the game. Does he get dropped this week Ringo if so who comes in?
The onl2 options to come in as I see it are Docherty or Harwood but both are 184cms 5cms shorter then Yeo.
Karnezis at 191cm may be called to play HB though. However with serious injuries to Wrigley and Wearden maybe Michael or Bourke may get promoted. Both play as defenders and both are 195cm plus. Prefer Michael to be promoted myself as he gives a Ruck alternative as well.
Another option is McKeever back and bring in Karnezis or Bartlett. McKeever is 190cm but his disposal at times is a real worry.
Yeah I think McKeever will most likely play as the third tall defender. Does Michael play much defence Ringo? From what I have read he plays mainly ruck.
Quote from: BB67th on April 15, 2013, 10:07:57 PM
Yeah I think McKeever will most likely play as the third tall defender. Does Michael play much defence Ringo? From what I have read he plays mainly ruck.
Has been used as a Tall defender in the NEAFL whilst Longer has been rucking.
Voss has to put mckeever in the backs. and bring lester, harwood or Docherty in for elliott yeo
Quote from: strikes91 on April 15, 2013, 10:52:53 PM
Voss has to put mckeever in the backs. and bring lester, harwood or Docherty in for elliott yeo
Yes Strikes agree but just working out how to cover Norths 3 Talls without maguire. Mckeever if moved back will take one and then Merret and Patful the others. Agree with suggested changes for Yeo but who moves forward to take McKeevers place. Does Karnezis get a recall. Will be interesting selections this week
Quote from: Ringo on April 15, 2013, 10:23:36 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 15, 2013, 10:07:57 PM
Yeah I think McKeever will most likely play as the third tall defender. Does Michael play much defence Ringo? From what I have read he plays mainly ruck.
Has been used as a Tall defender in the NEAFL whilst Longer has been rucking.
I read somewhere that he plays defence, but during the NAB I think he played forward, where he kicked a goal.
Quote from: nrich102 on April 16, 2013, 08:31:58 AM
Quote from: Ringo on April 15, 2013, 10:23:36 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 15, 2013, 10:07:57 PM
Yeah I think McKeever will most likely play as the third tall defender. Does Michael play much defence Ringo? From what I have read he plays mainly ruck.
Has been used as a Tall defender in the NEAFL whilst Longer has been rucking.
I read somewhere that he plays defence, but during the NAB I think he played forward, where he kicked a goal.
He kicked a goal as resting ruckman - Brisbane used the Longer/Michael Ruck for NAB cup, Hopefully a sign of things to come.
Quote from: Ringo on April 16, 2013, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on April 16, 2013, 08:31:58 AM
Quote from: Ringo on April 15, 2013, 10:23:36 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 15, 2013, 10:07:57 PM
Yeah I think McKeever will most likely play as the third tall defender. Does Michael play much defence Ringo? From what I have read he plays mainly ruck.
Has been used as a Tall defender in the NEAFL whilst Longer has been rucking.
I read somewhere that he plays defence, but during the NAB I think he played forward, where he kicked a goal.
He kicked a goal as resting ruckman - Brisbane used the Longer/Michael Ruck for NAB cup, Hopefully a sign of things to come.
Also we need to remember that Michael is on the rookie list. So may have to wait till next year for him to get a game. I think that he should get promoted towards the end of the season.
Docherty has been named at half back -- LOCK him in your fantasy teams ;) Paparone has been named on extended bench, so hopefully he should make his debut :D :D
Link to team (http://www.lions.com.au/season/team-announcement)
Jack Redden is named in the pocket :o this years Tom Rockliff?
don't take notice of where they are named. Mayes will probably go into the forwards and redden mids and is quite possible that harwood comes in and docherty misses all together
Suspect the 3 to miss will be Paprone, Harwood and Crisp.
When Voss was interviewed he mentioned Docherty will get his first game and Paporone named on extended bench.
Suspect Karnezis will go to the Pocket and be the loose man in defence to counter Norths Talls. Docherty will take Yeos place, We need Mayes run and kick off halfback like we seen last week.
Personally do not like the structure as announced so expect some changes. No way will McGrath play FB unless Voss is countering Norths Talls with small crumbing defenders Pretty dangerous though.
Paparone and Docherty to debut. Excited to see them play!
Quote from: BB67th on April 19, 2013, 05:35:33 PM
Paparone and Docherty to debut. Excited to see them play!
Yeah.
Paparone for sub?
Quote from: nrich102 on April 19, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 19, 2013, 05:35:33 PM
Paparone and Docherty to debut. Excited to see them play!
Yeah.
Paparone for sub?
got his name all over it
I think it is between Paporone or Harwood myself.
Leaning towards Harwood myself given the way the team is structured.
surely the gun in Docherty is the sub or is that something only Hinkley does?
Quote from: Cicjose on April 20, 2013, 03:39:51 AM
surely the gun in Docherty is the sub or is that something only Hinkley does?
What about the gun in Paparone?
Staker and Black are playing in reserves games today. Wish them both well as we need their experience back.
Hanley rumoured to be out for tomorrows game according to Jock Reynolds Facebook
Quote from: Cicjose on April 20, 2013, 07:31:59 PM
Hanley rumoured to be out for tomorrows game according to Jock Reynolds Facebook
Any reason why??
Quote from: nrich102 on April 20, 2013, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: Cicjose on April 20, 2013, 07:31:59 PM
Hanley rumoured to be out for tomorrows game according to Jock Reynolds Facebook
Any reason why??
He's not out, what idiot made that up ?
Paparone is sub.
my prediction of the team this weekend
Adcock - Merrett - Harwood
Docherty - Patful - Golby
Mayes - Rich - Redden
Paparone - Cornelious - Zorko
Green - Brown - Bewick
Berger - Rockliff - Moloney
Polkinghorne - Martin - Raines
Black
Massive pressure on Green and Martin imo. I think luey couldn't do the entire game yet hence my thought of martin. banfield will be knocking on the door so green will need to lift.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-23/rookies-in-state-squad (http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-23/rookies-in-state-squad)
Sammy Michael surely should get the upgrade at the end of the year.
Quote from: strikes91 on April 23, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
my prediction of the team this weekend
Adcock - Merrett - Harwood
Docherty - Patful - Golby
Mayes - Rich - Redden
Paparone - Cornelious - Zorko
Green - Brown - Bewick
Berger - Rockliff - Moloney
Polkinghorne - Martin - Raines
Black
Massive pressure on Green and Martin imo. I think luey couldn't do the entire game yet hence my thought of martin. banfield will be knocking on the door so green will need to lift.
I think Black will have another game in the reserves before he plays a senior game. Other than that I think it's a pretty good prediction.
Quote from: nrich102 on April 24, 2013, 06:37:48 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on April 23, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
my prediction of the team this weekend
Adcock - Merrett - Harwood
Docherty - Patful - Golby
Mayes - Rich - Redden
Paparone - Cornelious - Zorko
Green - Brown - Bewick
Berger - Rockliff - Moloney
Polkinghorne - Martin - Raines
Black
Massive pressure on Green and Martin imo. I think luey couldn't do the entire game yet hence my thought of martin. banfield will be knocking on the door so green will need to lift.
I think Black will have another game in the reserves before he plays a senior game. Other than that I think it's a pretty good prediction.
hoping with out sounding arrogant that we have a decent lead by 3qt and sneak blacky on for the last quarter
Quote from: strikes91 on April 24, 2013, 07:25:26 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on April 24, 2013, 06:37:48 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on April 23, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
my prediction of the team this weekend
Adcock - Merrett - Harwood
Docherty - Patful - Golby
Mayes - Rich - Redden
Paparone - Cornelious - Zorko
Green - Brown - Bewick
Berger - Rockliff - Moloney
Polkinghorne - Martin - Raines
Black
Massive pressure on Green and Martin imo. I think luey couldn't do the entire game yet hence my thought of martin. banfield will be knocking on the door so green will need to lift.
I think Black will have another game in the reserves before he plays a senior game. Other than that I think it's a pretty good prediction.
hoping with out sounding arrogant that we have a decent lead by 3qt and sneak blacky on for the last quarter
I see the point you are making and I agree with you, but I don't think they'll do it this game, even though it is against Melbourne. I think Black will return next round
Assuming you have Cornelius replacing McGrath, I would have been tempted to replace McGrath with Banfield to give us the extra small, My Opinion though. Jesse O'Brien may be another alternative to come in.
We still have not promoted a rookie to replace Beams so the pressure is really on Sam Michael, Jordan Bourke and Nick Hayes to continue to perform. All three are shining in reserves so will be a hard decision on who to promote.
Personally would like to see Black given another game in reserves with Stakes. Like you without being arrogant we play Melbourne at home this week so no need to rush them.
If we lose to Melbourne this week Vossie will be under immense pressure. Hopefully Moloneys 150th game will be the catalyst. Hoping to get to the game this weekend.
I think I read Vossy saying that Black will be given another week in the reserves and Staker another 2-3.
Vossy confirmed in his press conference that Blackie will be playing reserves this week in Mackay. Been trying to find out who is on the plane to Mackay as that will give an indication of ins.
Quote from: Ringo on April 24, 2013, 04:53:33 PM
Vossy confirmed in his press conference that Blackie will be playing reserves this week in Mackay. Been trying to find out who is on the plane to Mackay as that will give an indication of ins.
Will this change now that Rich is out??
Dees are on a roll of winning 1 quarter/game in a row!!!!!
Quote from: tabs on April 25, 2013, 01:55:15 AM
Quote from: Ringo on April 24, 2013, 04:53:33 PM
Vossy confirmed in his press conference that Blackie will be playing reserves this week in Mackay. Been trying to find out who is on the plane to Mackay as that will give an indication of ins.
Will this change now that Rich is out??
Dees are on a roll of winning 1 quarter/game in a row!!!!!
I don't think that will change. We have Rocky, Redden, Moloney and Zorko running through the mids and Raines tagging.
Heres a link. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-24/rich-facing-two-months-out (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-24/rich-facing-two-months-out)
Suspect Polkinghorne may now start as he had an outstanding game in the reserves last week through the mid field.
Our mid field depth is sorely being tested now with Beams, Rich, Polec Bartlett all having long term injuries and with Black and O'Brien just returning from injury.
With Rich out it will place further pressure on Rocky and Zorko who will now attract the tags.
Rocky will probably be targeted now by the taggers. or maybe Pearce Hanley. losing rich and hanley in the one week hurts the midfield. zorko will probably play pure mid.
Ouch that will really hurt losing Rich. Do you reckon it will make Mayes' JS any better? I don't really know what position he has been playing in, but if Zorko has to move into the guys, does Mayes move and take his place?
Mayes has been playing mainly on the wing so with Rich's injury suspect will improve Job security till at least his return. Had reservations on Mayes JS as he may have been in the mix to make way for Staker but can see him keeping position now.
Reserves beat GC in Macky yesterday 111 to 79. Lisle kicked 8 goals, should be be considered for the seniors?
Quote from: nrich102 on April 26, 2013, 06:24:34 AM
Reserves beat GC in Macky yesterday 111 to 79. Lisle kicked 8 goals, should be be considered for the seniors?
Lisle was best on ground and will be keeping the pressure on Cornelius, Paporone and co. Also expect to see Black back in the Seniors next week played majority of game and was the Lions next best player after Lisle. Played majority of game as well and was saying to Voss I am ready.
Brisbanes final team from Sunday
B: J. Adcock, D. Merrett, E. Yeo
HB: J. Patfull, J. Clarke, M. Golby
C: J. Polkinghorne, B. Moloney, S. Mayes
HF: M. Paparone, J. Brown, R. Bewick
F: J. Green, A. Cornelius, D. Zorko
FOLL: M. Leuenberger, A. Raines, J. Redden
INT: S. Docherty, B. Longer, A. McGrath, T. Rockliff
EMER: P. Karnezis, R. Lester, J. Crisp
Suspect McGrath may be sub,
Probably the best team we could put out given our injury situation.
Longer could be sub
Quote from: nrich102 on April 26, 2013, 05:43:00 PM
Longer could be sub
I would make it McGrath. I think it would suit him
Went to the game yesterday so a couple of observations from my part. Game was very sloppy with numerous turnovers and errors. If we were playing a top team would have been beaten by at least 30 points.
1. Our accuracy in front of goal is still hurting us game should have been put away well before half time if we were more accurate, 37 scoring shots to 24 and only winning by 28 tells the story.
2. We are still too slow covering break outs need some more nimbleness across half back line to stop the flow. Demons were finding easy marks from HB to HF.
3. Some one has to really step up and take control of the backline and assist the youngsters, Quite a few times Justin Clarke was looking for a match up at ball ups and throw ins.
4. Brent Moloney continues to shine around the clearances and Blackie will benefit from this when he returns
5. Really missed the run and carry of Hanley as a result of suspension.
6. Mayes continues to show he is ready and up to Senior football.
7. Polkinghorne played his best game for the Lions.
8. Liked the initial set up of Longer Rucking with Berger at FF got us off to a great start,
9. Umpiring was crap but what else can you say when McBurney is one of the officials.
10. Zorko showed a welcome return to form.
11.Need to maintain composure and concentration for full game. Allowing Melbourme the last three goals should not be on from a team hoping to finish top 8.
12. We are very slow at seeing options and taking advantage. On numerous occasions there were players free but by the time they were seen and ball delivered a contest ensued rather than an uncontested mark. This was obvious from my position in the upper grandstand.
Couple of incidents may be looked at by the MRP and Polks was reported for tripping in first quarter.
Next 8 weeks will decide our fortunes and also Vossies future and we will have to improve 100% if we are to win at least half of these,
We played bad but he umpiring was just shocking in that game. Couldn't believe some of the decision that went Melbourne's way. Do the umpires have something against us?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-29/mrp-full-statement-round-five
Great news for Lions Polkinghorne and Longer can avoid suspension with early plea and Zorko was cleared.
How's Hanley going Ringo really need him to play this week.
Me to - No mention made of him in this weeks recovery report so I assume he is fit and ready for selection after suspension.
He had a bit of knock the game he got suspended in right? Week off probably did him some good in the end to get fit and ready to go for this weekend
Yeah something to do with his knee I think it was.
Had the ice pack on his knee when he was replaced late. Was going to have to face a fitness test to play last week but as you say extra week probably freshened him nicely. Will be keeping an eye out though,
Any thoughts of team selection changes this week ?
I think Simon sounded fairly confident he'll line up this week and i think hanley will as well. be surprising if those 2 get up. I like playing two ruckmen, luey should he could stand well in the forward line
Quote from: strikes91 on April 29, 2013, 09:20:10 PM
Any thoughts of team selection changes this week ?
I think Simon sounded fairly confident he'll line up this week and i think hanley will as well. be surprising if those 2 get up. I like playing two ruckmen, luey should he could stand well in the forward line
Hanley will return but Vossie did not sound too sure on Simon. Intimated he wanted to give a full game in reserves first but who knows, Hanley will probably replace Clarke. If Black is named I would expect him to get the red vest and he would possibly replace Paporone with Polkinghorne moving forward.
Lisle may come into contention to replace Cornelius as well,
As you say Strikes the Berger/Longer flower Forward combination looked good and would like to see that continue to develop as it will be similar to Cox/Nat for the next 4/5 years.
Docherty out WTF. Voss has given up on this season, and is tanking. If he is coach next year, the suns will be my team. I also hope Cornelius is dropped and Lisle plays forward. He is better than Cornelius.
Hanley had to come in for someone. Doch was the victim. he'll get his chance after we get spanked by 60+ on sunday
Quote from: strikes91 on May 02, 2013, 08:04:46 PM
Hanley had to come in for someone. Doch was the victim. he'll get his chance after we get spanked by 60+ on sunday
I guess.
I am surprised they didn't play Doch as the sub again at the very least or named emergency. He was straight out omitted which leaves me scratching my head.
most teams wont want to use the same player as a sub too often consecutively (like NM dropping liam anthony) you risk a loss of match fitness.
Agree with Zip here Docherty was only playing 2nd game and if being thought of sub better to go back to reserves to retain match fitness especially with young bodies. Suspect Clarke, Yeo and Docherty will be rotated trhough this position for most of the season.
my thoughts are that Lester and Crisp along with one of Paporone/Lisle will miss out on team with Paporone/Lisle sub. May be wrong.
Pleased to see we are sticking with the Berger/Longer duo resting forawrd.
Article (http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-enter-the-hunt-for-hawthorn-superstar-lance-franklin/story-e6frg1zc-1226635262800).
Brisbane after Buddy..Seems like the list of clubs chasing him grows every few weeks. What do Brisbane supporters think about this?
Interesting one Sid
Do not know whether I like the idea or not. Big question is how many years has Brown got left and I think it is right that we are looking for an alternative as despite promising signs from some forwards no one really standing out as the obvious replacement. We are light on for Power forwards so Franklin will fit the bill.
Plays a similar style to Brown and as article says would have 4/5 years left in him. Would welcome him but not at the expense of trading any draft picks or promising youngsters.
I couldn't see him coming to brisbane. i think it's either hawthorn or WA for him
pathetic effort wise again in the 1st quarter. cornellious will feel the wrath of a poor game. expecting lisle to come in. think longer may stay in to help berger against cox and nic nat. black will come in for probably paparone. not sure who impressed in reserves this week but i would think Lisle, Black and goose if fit will play next week
Saw the boys at Sydney airport tonight after the game and a couple were limping. First quarter killed them.
I dont think they will go after Buddy as he will either go to GWS or Freo if he leaves the Hawks.
ps couldnt believe how tall Burger is, I didnt even come up to his shoulder
Yes Tabs Berger is a tall man - Longer not that much shorter either. Would really like to see these 2 develop into a Cox/Nat duo.
Most clubs usually have a few players limping after games due to the amount of running and body contact that ocurrs in a game.
@strikes91 agree that Cornelius will wear the wrath. Black will come in after playing in reserves but Staker is probably 2 weeks away.
The issue is the standard in the NEAFL as shown by Brisbanes best Players ranked in order by NEAFL Stats - Docherty (BOG), Sam Michael (must be knocking at promotion from Rookie List), Ryan Harwood, Richard Newell, (also on Rookie List) Jack Crisp, Jordan Lisle. So not a lot who have not been tried.
Would really like to see Voss settle on a side and stop the revolving door (even if it means getting well beaten) to allow players to establish themselves. Based on previous selections Lester will probably be dropped this week.
Game yesterday showed we can be competitive one on one but the class between a top 4 side showed in that the third player to the one on one contests was a Swan player and this where we really have to improve along with our disposal efficiency.
Can not believe we did not persevere with the Dual Ruck combo of Berger/Longer for another couple of weeks especially coming up against Cox/Nat this week. But given some of the selections this year nothing surprises.
I am not very keen to see voss get walked. he's killing careers at the club.
Blacks sub. Not really surprising
Great to see Blacky getting a run :)
Will write my thoughts on the game when I cool down a little after so so umpiring.
Agree, horrible officiating.
With Voss saying Stakes is a possibility play this weekend who makes way:
Clarke has been used as a Tall defender taking 2nd tall forward - Played on Natanui and Cox as resting forwards last week. So team structure may dictate he stays unless Maguire is fit.
Mayes - Playing across half back line where Staker may slot in.
Lester - Was subbed last week and another on HB line.
Yeo - Solid but not outstanding
or do we use his 196cm as a forward maybe replacing Bewick.
Think the decision may be between Lester and Yeo although who knows with match committee selections these days,
who will Raines get this week?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 15, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
who will Raines get this week?
At a guess KB I would say Watson.
Quote from: Ringo on May 15, 2013, 09:25:11 AM
With Voss saying Stakes is a possibility play this weekend who makes way:
Clarke has been used as a Tall defender taking 2nd tall forward - Played on Natanui and Cox as resting forwards last week. So team structure may dictate he stays unless Maguire is fit.
Mayes - Playing across half back line where Staker may slot in.
Lester - Was subbed last week and another on HB line.
Yeo - Solid but not outstanding
or do we use his 196cm as a forward maybe replacing Bewick.
Think the decision may be between Lester and Yeo although who knows with match committee selections these days,
surely docherty has to come back in at some satge right?
Quote from: Ringo on May 15, 2013, 09:25:11 AM
With Voss saying Stakes is a possibility play this weekend who makes way:
Clarke has been used as a Tall defender taking 2nd tall forward - Played on Natanui and Cox as resting forwards last week. So team structure may dictate he stays unless Maguire is fit.
Mayes - Playing across half back line where Staker may slot in.
Lester - Was subbed last week and another on HB line.
Yeo - Solid but not outstanding
or do we use his 196cm as a forward maybe replacing Bewick.
Think the decision may be between Lester and Yeo although who knows with match committee selections these days,
anything on lester having a groin injury anywhere ? he had ice on it when he got subbed
Quote from: Holzman on May 15, 2013, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 15, 2013, 09:25:11 AM
With Voss saying Stakes is a possibility play this weekend who makes way:
Clarke has been used as a Tall defender taking 2nd tall forward - Played on Natanui and Cox as resting forwards last week. So team structure may dictate he stays unless Maguire is fit.
Mayes - Playing across half back line where Staker may slot in.
Lester - Was subbed last week and another on HB line.
Yeo - Solid but not outstanding
or do we use his 196cm as a forward maybe replacing Bewick.
Think the decision may be between Lester and Yeo although who knows with match committee selections these days,
surely docherty has to come back in at some satge right?
Yeo is in his way
Seen Lester with ice on it at the ground Strikes but nothing official coming down the club in the injury update so suspect may have been precautionary and maybe even the reason he was subbed out unexpectedly. Like most probably carrying a niggle or 2.
Must say I am a bit surprised with dropping of Green for Staker. Stakers return is welcomed but I think we are losing a bit of pace and forward pressure by dropping Green.
Hope not another selection blunder,
Why is Green dropped? His forward pressure is what we need. Good to see Stakes back though.
Very see to see Green out, I really like watching him play :( Staker will be sub, right? I can't see who else will be.
Some of the Match Selections I think are not helping Voss's cause. We need pace to match the Dons but with the dropping of Green we have lost one of our best in this regard.
Will be interesting to see who sub is will not be Raines so it will be from Mayes, Bewick or Staker. Will depend how Voss wants to use Staker and if he wants to throw him in from the start due to our slow starts on the road suspect Mayes may get the vest as Staker will be used back.
Yes agree, Mayes will most likely to see the green vest.
Voss better not give Mayes the vest :P
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-17/rival-clubs-circle-uncontracted-lion-cubs (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-17/rival-clubs-circle-uncontracted-lion-cubs)
I'd hate to see any of these guys leave, but at least one of them will iom.
Just read the article myself and agree that one may leave. Suspect it may be Karnezis who wanted to leave last year.
Would like to retain both Polec and Longer. Why we did not persevere with a Longer/Berger combo got no idea. Worked a treat although against Melbourne and then Longer dropped next week.
If Voss continues his revolving door selections then we will loose some of these talented youngsters.
Would prefer to spend the money on these youngsters rather than chase Franklin or other free agents.
Mayes should really start as sub was quite last week that's who I'm tipping
Think it's pretty pointless starting Staker as sub makes more sense to sub him off after having a decent run
But who knows its Voss after all
the young fellas have to wait around, voss will be gone at seasons end
Quote from: strikes91 on May 17, 2013, 11:57:13 PM
the young fellas have to wait around, voss will be gone at seasons end
Might not have to wait until the end of the season the way things are going...Don't understand the amount of weekly changes, never going to win with an unsettled team. :-\
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 17, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Mayes should really start as sub was quite last week that's who I'm tipping
Think it's pretty pointless starting Staker as sub makes more sense to sub him off after having a decent run
But who knows its Voss after all
Winner
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 17, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Mayes should really start as sub was quite last week that's who I'm tipping
Think it's pretty pointless starting Staker as sub makes more sense to sub him off after having a decent run
But who knows its Voss after all
Winner
lol it was pretty obvious
anyway couldn't believe todays result. I didn't stand us a chance but wow. only downside is will be losing clarke and probably merrett. Think staker will go down back with goose hopefully fit. green, docherty or karny to try and sneak in
My thoughts on the match:
With Brisbane rank outsiders did we go in with little to lose attitude and try and redeem ourselves in Melbourne. It was a great match with 18 lead changes and no more than a handful of points separating the teams all day.
We started aggressively possibly walking a fine line which will result in suspension to Clarke and possibly Merrett. We kept this aggression up and despite being beaten in the clearances and other important stats we won the tackle count.
Stats from the match Essendon listed first
Disposals 398 - 325
Kicks 222 - 216
Handballs 176 - 109
Freekicks 14 - 11
Clearances 46 - 31
Inside 50's 61 - 39
Contested Possessions 146 - 120
Tackles 49 - 72
Hitouts 42 - 45
Looking at those stats one wonders how Brisbane won the game but it is attribute to the pressure we exerted with tackling that upset the Bombers run. Bewick and Raines were outstanding in restricting Hibberd and Stanton.
One of the talking points will be the Brown Mark and the video review. We have seen so many instances of the video review coming back inconclusive so why are we persisting until we can better camera angles.
Brisbane's midfield looks so much more composed with Black in there with 16 possesions in just over a half of football. We need 3/4 game from Black against the blues on Saturday night.
Staker is back and will be a valuable swingman back or forward.
Write J Brown off at your own peril. Despite age still showing he has it.
Moloney has added a fair bit to the midfield as well.
Jack Reddan showed a welcome return to form with 22 disposals, running with Watson and limiting his usual efficiency,
Should Merrett and Clarke be suspended we have a few options:
Maguire if fit will come back (played in yesterdays reserves match)
Docherty may come in to replace Clarke.
I would like to see this move move Staker back and bring Longer back in with the Berger Longer combo to combat Kreuzer and Warnock.
Any a great win by the boys against all expectations and we need to keep it going this week against the Blues and not go backwards,
Great win and I think we will be a decent chance to take down the Blues at the Gabba next week. Black was amazing in that first quarter, set everything up, and I think he will make a great foil for Moloney to do a lot of hard clearance work. Any word on how Rich is progressing? How much longer is he meant to be out for? Another month or so?
Quote from: BB67th on May 19, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
Great win and I think we will be a decent chance to take down the Blues at the Gabba next week. Black was amazing in that first quarter, set everything up, and I think he will make a great foil for Moloney to do a lot of hard clearance work. Any word on how Rich is progressing? How much longer is he meant to be out for? Another month or so?
Was originally listed as 8 weeks but talk is he may be back sooner
Clarke offered a week and Merrett three for their incidents on the weekend. Do people agree with this? I think Merrett is a bit stiff there.
Based on the video evidence available and a medical report from the Essendon Football Club, the incident was assessed as negligent conduct (one point), high impact (three points) and high contact (two points)
Did not think there was any high contact at all so may be grounds to appeal. But if appeal fails will go out to 4 weeks.
I get the negligent conduct for slinging and high impact for him being concussed, but is tackling someone and having their head hit the turf considered high contact? I don't think it should.
Very harsh on Merrett. He didnt deserve that long.
Slinging someone and having there head hit the ground is still high contact and he did it with force to
He does have 93 carry over points as well so I guess that puts it up to 3 weeks instead of 2.
Yeah Merrett getting 3 weeks is a joke.
If tackling someone and their head hits the ground is considered as high contact how the hell did Monfries not get suspended for his tackle on Priddis a few weeks ago?
Also how did the Kommer taking Clarke out incident not even get looked at Kommer should have gone for that.
I also think Clarke is extremely lucky and should take his week no questions asked because he should have got more.
Was the Monfries tackle a sling tackle?
That's why Merrett is getting suspended because its a sling tackle don't you remember the big fuss about them?
anyone got footage for the merrett incident?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 20, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
Was the Monfries tackle a sling tackle?
That's why Merrett is getting suspended because its a sling tackle don't you remember the big fuss about them?
Didn't say anything about it being a sling tackle I said if they are calling it high contact for his head hitting the ground causing concussion then what is the difference between the 2 incidents?
Both players heads hit the ground causing them to be concussed.
But the sling tackle action caused his head to hit the turf which is why it was outlawed
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 20, 2013, 06:54:48 PM
But the sling tackle action caused his head to hit the turf which is why it was outlawed
I'm not saying he shouldn't get done for the sling tackle that's fair enough but calling it high contact does not make one bit of sense because technically it's not high contact.Do you see what I mean?
I'm not being a smart arse I just don't think it should be classed as high contact.
Still don't agree Merrett had control of Hurley when his head hits the ground and the force he did it in
Quote from: luvfooty on May 20, 2013, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 20, 2013, 06:54:48 PM
But the sling tackle action caused his head to hit the turf which is why it was outlawed
I'm not saying he shouldn't get done for the sling tackle that's fair enough but calling it high contact does not make one bit of sense because technically it's not high contact.Do you see what I mean?
I'm not being a smart arse I just don't think it should be classed as high contact.
That was my point highlighting the high contact charge.
Zip here is vision of the tackle -
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-05-18/merrett-slams-hurley
Show me where the high contact is and I will accept the fiull 3 weeks. I agree get done for the negligent coduct and the high impact head into the ground for the sling tackle but there is no high contact at all. If the MRP are now going to deem slamming head to ground is also high contact they will have to be consistent for the rest of the year and act accordingly.
Agree Clarke is very lucky with 2 weeks although clean record reduces it to a week.
I think they're going with the logic for the sling tackle being illegal, because of it increasing significantly the number of head, neck injuries and oncussions
unfortunately, for merrett, a precedent has been set
'The incident was similar to a then-contentious incident two years ago when Melbourne's Jack Trengove received a three-match suspension for a tackle on Adelaide's Patrick Dangerfield. The Crows midfielder, like Hurley at the weekend, had to be substituted.
Both incidents were graded identically: negligent conduct, high impact, high contact. Merrett fared worse than Trengove because he was also saddled with 93.75 carry-over points, which means he risks a four-match ban if he challenges the decision at the tribunal on Tuesday night.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jolly-cleared-merrett-offered-threeweek-ban-20130520-2jwni.html#ixzz2Tp5KYkbT '
So why are not all head slams that have gone to the tribunal since include a high contact if the precedent has been set. Again inconsistency from the MRP as there have been a few since the Dangerfield incident. They bring up things when it suits.
Agree with Merrets suspension but just can not accept the High contact component even though they draw out the Dangerfield incident with a number of head slams not invoking tyhe high contact.
Quote from: Ringo on May 20, 2013, 07:45:14 PM
So why are not all head slams that have gone to the tribunal since include a high contact if the precedent has been set. Again inconsistency from the MRP as there have been a few since the Dangerfield incident. They bring up things when it suits.
Agree with Merrets suspension but just can not accept the High contact component even though they draw out the Dangerfield incident with a number of head slams not invoking tyhe high contact.
Yeah thats a good point there. They seen to relax on some of these rules and then every now and then an incident pops up and they suspend them to remind everyone of the rule. There is no consistency in the MRP anymore.
Quote from: BB67th on May 20, 2013, 07:49:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 20, 2013, 07:45:14 PM
So why are not all head slams that have gone to the tribunal since include a high contact if the precedent has been set. Again inconsistency from the MRP as there have been a few since the Dangerfield incident. They bring up things when it suits.
Agree with Merrets suspension but just can not accept the High contact component even though they draw out the Dangerfield incident with a number of head slams not invoking tyhe high contact.
Yeah thats a good point there. They seen to relax on some of these rules and then every now and then an incident pops up and they suspend them to remind everyone of the rule. There is no consistency in the MRP anymore.
Totally agree they have no consistency anymore at all tho I question if they had any in the first place.
Quote from: luvfooty on May 20, 2013, 07:52:59 PM
Quote from: BB67th on May 20, 2013, 07:49:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 20, 2013, 07:45:14 PM
So why are not all head slams that have gone to the tribunal since include a high contact if the precedent has been set. Again inconsistency from the MRP as there have been a few since the Dangerfield incident. They bring up things when it suits.
Agree with Merrets suspension but just can not accept the High contact component even though they draw out the Dangerfield incident with a number of head slams not invoking tyhe high contact.
Yeah thats a good point there. They seen to relax on some of these rules and then every now and then an incident pops up and they suspend them to remind everyone of the rule. There is no consistency in the MRP anymore.
Totally agree they have no consistency anymore at all tho I question if they had any in the first place.
Wasn't going to that blunt Luv but agree. Suffice to say my blood pressure rose considerably when they dragged out the Trengrove/Dangerfield incident. But again do not want to say it the lesser teams are always on the wrong end of the MRP. Look at this week Jolly gets an all clear, Kommer does not even get cited to name just 2.
Jolly,Kommer and O'Brien should have all gone.
Yeah it's a complete joke that Kelly gets weeks for his hit on Goddard and then Jolly gets off on this hit on Stokes just because he's tall or something and they think the contact high was unavoidable? Just a joke.
mmmm, I'm really unsure about the jolly thing. I mean, he definitely tried to go low as to not hit him in the head, and even then it was almost as if stokes ran into him.
w.e
shower happens.
I can see the argument both ways :P
Quote from: BB67th on May 20, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
Yeah it's a complete joke that Kelly gets weeks for his hit on Goddard and then Jolly gets off on this hit on Stokes just because he's tall or something and they think the contact high was unavoidable? Just a joke.
That's who I was trying to think of Kelly.
He gets done and Kommer did the same thing but not even a mention of it at all.
Was that because it was Clarke he took out?
You can't really say that not trying to go high is an excuse for getting off. Most of the time they aren't trying to really hurt the other player or do damage to their face.
Found the Trengrove tackle for comparison and there is no high contact there as well. MRP adding a charge to both. Would love to see a legal challenge on the High Contact.
Trengrove Tackle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7ZH-NKuIs
Merrett Tackle
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-05-18/merrett-slams-hurley
Both nearly identical.
Hmmmm well I wonder if the DVD the players get shown at the start of the year shows that as high contact. It probably does. If it doesn't they would probably challenge it?
Both Merrett and Clarke have accepted their penalties -
Maguire for Merrett
Docherty/Harwood for Clarke
would be my changes.
Ringo what do you think of the odds sportsbet has you guys at Brisbane win by 1-39 @3.50 looks good
Sounds reasonable but will depend on Carlton Team - If Gibbs and Yarran play odds should lengthen.
Quote from: Ringo on May 21, 2013, 12:49:06 PM
Both Merrett and Clarke have accepted their penalties -
Maguire for Merrett
Docherty/Harwood for Clarke
would be my changes.
perhaps even lester with karny running through the guts
With Sam Michael being elevated to seniors list to cover for Clay Beams does this mean he will be a selection this week maybe as a replacement for Clarke. At 199cm gives us another tall defender and he can back up Berger in the Ruck. Do not mind this pronmotion but feel sorry for Docherty and Harwood if Michael makes the final cut.
He's Sam Michael, he's Sam Michael! And he's here to show you why
Sammy Michael my boi. Great to see the elevation. Hope you get a run son.
Sammmmmy!!!!
Got your wish Nails and suspect he will play whole game with Mayes or Green the sub.
Got him in like 3-4 of my XVs teams. Keen as.
Green the sub ticks all boxes this week. he is a brilliant sub. always has good impact
A little surprised we did not recall Goose. Had a solid game in 2's last week but maybe needs a little more time in 2's
Quote from: Ringo on May 23, 2013, 07:06:34 PM
A little surprised we did not recall Moose. Had a solid game in 2's last week but maybe needs a little more time in 2's
You mean Goose?
Quote from: nrich102 on May 23, 2013, 07:26:50 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 23, 2013, 07:06:34 PM
A little surprised we did not recall Moose. Had a solid game in 2's last week but maybe needs a little more time in 2's
You mean Goose?
Perhaps Goose would have had to play on Moose this week? (IDK who Moose is)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I865A8jYaMQ/TlJu50yHNFI/AAAAAAAAInA/Yop2EJ6lQrQ/s1600/moose%2Band%2Bgoose.jpg)
Good luck to Goose on spoiling him though!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-24/golby-in-doubt-for-blues
Docherty may be a late in for Golby. Rocky's press conference when posted later may be interesting.
What the hell is Voss doing?
He is the worst coach in the AFL at the moment.
I suppose he'll drop Hanley,Rocky and Zorko next week for not performing in the ridiculous positions he played them in.
^^^^
your right, he has no idea. you don't play mids in the forward line. flower me what a killer. rocky is in the top 10 this year for disposals but throws him in a dead zone. putting staker up front in the 3rd was stupid, we were doing so well in the 2nd. sam michael had a dissapointing first match. i don't think he got a kick. bergers injury could be bad. longer could be back in again. we showed again we have no back up forward to brown, lisle failed again cornelious fails everytime. we need to splash every cent and try and get buddy. not going to happen but ffs we need an option. well done to bewick. had a really good game.
and btw ringo was maguire fit ? because not playing if he is was a major mistake.
Put Big Boy up forward :D
Could not understand the Voss moves myself. Staker needed to be played back and stay on Waite rather than Patful who was well beaten. Disagree slightly with you strikes regarding Lisle as I think our structure looks a little better with him there, Do not know why we use him in the Ruck though better to sort out the forward structure.
Memo to Voss Rockliff is a mid use him there. Hanley is more beneficial running off half back line and down the wing.
What is it with sides these days that they can not kick the ball between the two big sticks. Carltons bad kicking kept Brisbane in it but Brisbane failed to capitilise with similar bad effort in 3rd quarter a 1.7 return will not cut it. If we had converted some of these simple shots we would have still been in front at 3/4 time and possibly gone on with it.
Umpiring was again questionable especially the free Garlett got on Raines. Again at the Gabba we do not win the free kick count. Quite a few in the back calls should have gone Brisbanes way some around the forwrad 50 but were not paid.
Overall pleased with the boys and the continued effort from last week. Would like to see a win though as a reward for effort. Won the tackle count again and this was pleasing however we seemed to drop off a few in the last quarter though.
Back it up Friday night against the Pies - Clarke should return.
Strikes not sure what the story is with Maguire played in the reserves last week but did not play in the reserves yesterday.
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
he puts players like polkinghorne and lester in there. ughh
Quote from: strikes91 on May 26, 2013, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
he puts players like polkinghorne and lester in there. ughh
And Raines
Quote from: nrich102 on May 26, 2013, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on May 26, 2013, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
he puts players like polkinghorne and lester in there. ughh
And Raines
Raines is a tagger...
He belongs in there. He's the reason Marc Murphy was bad.
Quote from: Nails on May 26, 2013, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on May 26, 2013, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on May 26, 2013, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
he puts players like polkinghorne and lester in there. ughh
And Raines
Raines is a tagger...
He belongs in there. He's the reason Marc Murphy was bad.
He's still a midfieder
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
Throw in Danny Rich and Raines as the tagger and we will have the best midfield in the comp in a few years.
Quote from: BB67th on May 26, 2013, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
Throw in Danny Rich and Raines as the tagger and we will have the best midfield in the comp in a few years.
But without Black :(
Now I know it's not likely, but are we any chance of getting Buddy at all? We certainly are going to have quite a bit of cash free next season. Black retires, Brown takes a pay cut, someone else like Adcock moves to the veterans list and suddenly we do have quite a bit of free salary cap there. Really I don't see any reason why he would want to move to Fremantle over Brisbane if we offered the same amount of cash. Our game style would probably suit him better? I don't know, I'd just love to see Buddy and Brown in the same forward line for a year or two, and if we got him we would definitely make finals next year.
Isn't he from Perth hence the freo rumor
Quote from: strikes91 on May 26, 2013, 10:05:06 PM
Isn't he from Perth hence the freo rumor
I think that's the deal.
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Franklin)
Quote from: Part on early life:Lance Franklin was born in Perth to parents Ursula and Lance Franklin Sr. Sport runs through the family: Lance Sr. represented his state in Field Hockey;[1] and older sister Bianca Giteau plays in the ANZ Championship for the Adelaide Thunderbirds and his cousin Jeff Garlett plays for Carlton.[2] Franklin has Indigenous Australian heritage, which he continues to acknowledge with a tattoo of a tribal elder who gave him the name 'Buddy', and Aboriginal artwork of a kangaroo on his arm and participating in indigenous youth programs.
Quote from: nrich102 on May 26, 2013, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on May 26, 2013, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 26, 2013, 11:44:17 AM
Voss could have a midfield of Redden, Rockliff, Zorko, Moloney, Black
But instead plays them out of position
he puts players like polkinghorne and lester in there. ughh
And Raines
was just naming 5 of your best mids which Raines is not Voss needs to work out what to do with them all and Rich etc
Brown offered a week for his hit on Jamison. Don't think we are any chance of beating the Pies with him and Merrett out sadly.
Quote from: BB67th on May 27, 2013, 05:08:55 PM
Brown offered a week for his hit on Jamison. Don't think we are any chance of beating the Pies with him and Merrett out sadly.
if it turns into a blow out we'll never get a friday night again
It's the AFL way to ensure we do not Strikes.
For the last 2 years we have had an Easter Thursday blockbuster but that was taken away this year and replaced by this weeks Blockbuster.
On the Brown issue I reckon I will nominate Jamison for an academy award because I fail to see how a tackle that started around and slipped up around the head would cause that much damage. But then maybe Brownies forearms are built of steel as we now a car came of second best in a cycle collision.
Brown and Lions challenging the ban so will watch with interest. Must have something to show as they are risking 2 weeks by challenging.
We will really see what we are made of this week with Rockliff missing 2 weeks and Berger 4/6
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-05-28/lions-lose-key-pair
<---- He better do a bulk of the rucking.
Brown's challenge unsuccessful. Jury found his strike was intentional, as charged. He'll now miss two matches, with a bye in between.
So we now lose Brown for 2 weeks as well/
There was intention but i still doubt the high contact. Jamison played for a free.
how much you expecting to lose by Ringo?
Things getting worse and worse for this Friday. On the plus side, when we verse Geelong in a few weeks, they should still be in the top 2, meaning we should get the win against them.
This weeks changes
In: Justin Clarke, Patrick Karnezis, Billy Longer,Ryan Harwood,Jack Crisp,Marco Paparone
Out: Jordan Lisle (Omitted) , Josh Green (Omitted) , Jonathan Brown (Suspension) , Sam Mayes (Soreness) , Tom Rockliff (Leg) , Matthew Leuenberger (Hand)
Whilst some of the changes are warranted can not understand the omission of Lisle and Green. Green was sub last week and think we need his chase and keeping ball in if we are to cause an upset. Lisle looks good although not outstanding but not getting a real chance to establish himself. Assuming Michael will now be used as back up to Longer.
Think Crisp or Harwood are the vest candidates,
So I think we can just about assume whoever gets the vest for Brissy they are going to be dropped the next week.
Seems to be the pattern doesn't it vest and dropped.
How is the weather now??
Occasional Heavy Showers come across Windi - Have probably had 2 heavy showers since lunch time. The Gabba is a good draining ground so may only be slippery on surface.
Does the late mail that Travis Cloke may miss with a virus help at all do you think?
It may but we have 8 players 20 and under so will not be easy. Future of club on display with Michael, Docherty, Paparone, Longer, Lester, Clarke, Crisp and Yeo all in this category.
Also we have Baldy as one of the umpires so will not benefit there either - Supporters are having a bet as to when the first 50 metre penalty will be invoked.
Hahaha that bet sounds like a good one!
Yeah, will be interesting to see the young Lions have a go against a pretty good side in the Pies. I really hope it's not a blow-out. Although I have tipped the Pies by 45. :P
I'm actually backing the Lions. If it was in Melb, I'd give them little chance.
But a big Friday night clash & an out form Pies outfit in the wet. Could be a boil over....
Well it looks like Cloke could well be out so you never know, but I'm not giving us too much of a chance with no Leuenberger, Brown or Rockliff. Still it will be a good chance for some of the younger blokes to step up. Looking for a bag from Sammy Michael.
Worst peformance in a while. Poor coaching again with team selections. Sam Michael is also showing absolutely nothing. why is there hype ?
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Saw this on Twitter. While I think it's a bit harsh, how do Lions fans feel about Vossy at present? This is the last year on his contract I think (correct me if I'm wrong) and could it be his last year in the job if things don't turn around soon?
Heard Aker is looking to be an assistant coach
As I said earlier in this thread we were fielding 8 players 20 or under this week so obviously we were going to be up against it but it will be a good education for them in that you have to be switched on from first bounce.
There were some encouraging signs though from players. Clarke showed he will be a solid defender, Reddan stepped up and played his best game of the season, Patful bounced back from his towelling, Zorko is a midfielder note Voss.
Regarding Voss some of his decisions and selections are questionable. We have seen the effect of his revolving door policy and this will go against him in his review. Do not know why Banfield or Green were not selected as we needed their forward pressure last night as ball kept coming out of Pies defence to easily. You are correct in that his contract is up this year, Whilst Voss has undoubted credentials as an elite player this has not translated to his coaching nous. He appears to slow to react to what is happening on the field and seems devoid of ideas by trying to be unique. Whilst it is basic Voss seems lothe to revert to man on man to try and slow the tempo down till we get back on even terms.
Brisbane has a very young list and outstanding talent but Voss does not seem capable of talking them to the next level eg Rich, Reddan, Rockliff are all future stars but should be more dominant on the field now if they had been developed. Know this sounds harsh but is my opinion and I have the utmost respect for Voss but if he is not removed as coach or changes his methods can see Brisbane becoming like Melbourne (Sorry Dees fans) hepas of talent not developed properly.
Brisbane needs to have an established coach that can take our talented group to elite level. I would be pulling out all stops to entice Paul Roos back to coaching to develop group. Remember Matthews took Brisbane from last place to Premiers in 3 years.
Watching the game thought Harwood looked quite good. Made a couple of errors, but tried to attack from the back, which is always a good thing. Looks quite scary with his shaved head though!
Quote from: CrowsFan on June 01, 2013, 09:48:57 AM
Watching the game thought Harwood looked quite good. Made a couple of errors, but tried to attack from the back, which is always a good thing. Looks quite scary with his shaved head though!
Wish Voss would give him a decent go as well CF. His revolving door policy with Harwood, Yeo, Clarke and Docherty for 2 positions is not helping their development. Harwood at 23 should be developed more which reinforces ny comments above.
Clarke looked good. Karnys kicking is worrying, he could become a good player if he gets that right. yeo was average. hoping docherty keeps his spot over him
Quote from: NigeyS on June 01, 2013, 01:12:23 AM
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Saw this on Twitter. While I think it's a bit harsh, how do Lions fans feel about Vossy at present? This is the last year on his contract I think (correct me if I'm wrong) and could it be his last year in the job if things don't turn around soon?
Yeah adisease that captained your club to 3 premierships ::) What a f-wit
Looks like rocky is a definite. rich is 50/50
Rockliff is the only Brisbane top-liner guaranteed of returning for the Dockers showdown having all but overcome the quad injury that snapped a run of 34-straight senior appearances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vDZEP5ECAo
Rocky's challenges are better this season! haha
Haha so good!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-11/in-the-mix-round-12 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-11/in-the-mix-round-12)
So Rocky should be back this week, and Rich is still a week away :(
Really hope Rocky is back this week, might be in a bit of trouble fantasy wise if he isn't. :(
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-12/lions-hit-reset-button
"Some stars may return against the Dockers, with Tom Rockliff (quad), Matthew Leuenberger (thumb) and Daniel Rich (shoulder) all completing Wednesday's training warm-up at a rain-soaked Gabba.
Leuenberger was pulled aside by the team doctor to have some strapping reapplied to his injured hand.
"Whether they're playing by this week, that's too early to tell," Voss said.
"As far as Leuey and Richy go, let's see how they train. We have to make sure they're absolutely right to go. The game is too brutal to do otherwise."
Think may be a bit early for Berger or Rich as I would hate to see them aggravate and risk further stints on the sideline.
No mention of Rocky in this report so based on the Bupa report we can assume he will be available for selection.
If we are to match last years effort of 10 wins we need to win 7 of the next 12 and given our next 3 are against Freo, Geelong, Hawks means 7 out of 10 and Suns in Q clash will not be easy given their form. Also have Geelong again in final Round.
This lions team is a joke. 7 changes. 5 good but...
http://www.lions.com.au/season/team-announcement (http://www.lions.com.au/season/team-announcement)
I think I should just start supporting the suns tbh
Bit stiff on Polka?
Surprised that Polkinghorne finally got dropped. I hope after next week when Brown and Merrett come back Voss can decide on a 22 and stick with it for the rest of the season. Hoping to be competitive against Freo this week, but I'm expecting a heavy loss.
Is it safe to say that if Voss doesn't lose his job at the end of the season there will be widespread outrage from a majority of footy fans, Lions supporters included? :P
I'll back voss.
I think Voss is a good coach for the club, his problem is he can't name a consistent line up. If he could figure out the best 22 and play them, build up a core group of players, I'd be happy for him to stay. Still he has been at the club for 5 years now and he's only made the finals in his first year. Going to need something special in the second half of the season for him to keep his job.
Just realized Patfuls playing his 150th game this weekend :)
I found Voss's team selection sheet.
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Oh my lawd Nails! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hahaha. Love it Nails
Quote from: BB67th on June 13, 2013, 07:13:20 PM
I think Voss is a good coach for the club, his problem is he can't name a consistent line up. If he could figure out the best 22 and play them, build up a core group of players, I'd be happy for him to stay. Still he has been at the club for 5 years now and he's only made the finals in his first year. Going to need something special in the second half of the season for him to keep his job.
Have to disagree with you BB. Some of Voss's selections and match day moves leave a lot to be desired. Naming players out of position not giving players a fair go. Some players appear to be favourites and others not, Must say I am surprised with Polkinghornes omission given the absence of Moloney. Pressure will be on Mayes to cover.
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Meant to add nails that you nailed the revolving door policy with your picture and this is very destabilising to the team. I have been supporting the Bears/Lions for 25 years so will not be shifting loyalties having supporting through bad and good but as a supporter you need to call it as it is with the coach. Voss was a great player but unfortunately has not been able to transfer this to the coaching ranks.
Quote from: strikes91 on June 13, 2013, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on June 13, 2013, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on June 13, 2013, 06:45:25 PM
Bit stiff on Polka?
And Sammy :(
he showed nothing in his 2 games
You have to start somewhere. I think he should have been played in the ruck more. He had a couple of hit outs in his second game, but I feel a Jonathan Brown position is not the right position for him.
Quote from: Nails on June 13, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
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I can't see it, probably have update my java thing or something lol
Quote from: Nails on June 13, 2013, 07:15:45 PM
I found Voss's team selection sheet.
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Picasso, is that you? :o
Quote from: NigeyS on June 14, 2013, 02:37:56 PM
Quote from: Nails on June 13, 2013, 07:15:45 PM
I found Voss's team selection sheet.
(http://www.agrippa-thoughtmanifest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/door.gif)
Picasso, is that you? :o
Okay, I'm going to come clean here after many compliments on the artwork
I must confess I found it on google images.
Whilst I might be known as the Picasso of fanfooty, this one was not my masterpiece.
I figured that when I quoted it an saw the url. :P
Still, props for finding and posting it. ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/2Iq79hs.png)
This is my own masterpiece however. A picture of redhead (although an orange-y redhead) M. Voss speaking to himself.
Brilliant, simply brilliant! ;D
Well done Nailscasso. :P
This one is very original and Brilliant Nails well done. The truth hurts ;) ;)
Goose to play NEAFL this weekend
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-14/goose-set-for-neafl-return (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-14/goose-set-for-neafl-return)
Green Vest for tomorrow ? Mayes or Docherty
Strikes I don't appreciate you coming in here and not laughing at my pictures mate. Get your shower together.
Quote from: Nails on June 11, 2013, 12:26:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vDZEP5ECAo
Rocky's challenges are better this season! haha
That was classic! :P
Quote from: Nails on June 14, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
Strikes I don't appreciate you coming in here and not laughing at my pictures mate. Get your shower together.
I Can't see them
Quote from: strikes91 on June 14, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
Quote from: Nails on June 14, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
Strikes I don't appreciate you coming in here and not laughing at my pictures mate. Get your shower together.
I Can't see them
(http://i.imgur.com/f865C.jpg)
haha Nails. gold mate ;D
Quote from: strikes91 on June 14, 2013, 11:15:23 PM
Green Vest for tomorrow ? Mayes or Docherty
Docherty imo
Would not surprise though if Rich starts with green vest but suspect he may get the red. Given the structure that is in the team sheet I suspect Mayes may wear the green.
So Black says he will retire, now he's saying he's undecided. This is confusing http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-14/black-undecided-on-future (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-14/black-undecided-on-future)
We deserved to lose there. With 8 changes or something, we were never chance. I really wouldnt be surprised if we finish bottom 4.
At least we were competitive not like previous matches where we appeared to roll over.
One positive to come out of the game is the emergence of Justin Clarke s a tall defender. May be difficult for Maguire to get back in.
Hope Lisle continues to get games as well to cement his place. Think he will offer an alternative to Brown up forward.
Memo to Voss though Rocky and Zorko do their best work in the mids so play them there.
Freo were poor today as well considering how badly you guys are going Freo only put the game beyond doubt in junk time but today was an awful game to watch from both sides
but yeah Hanley was the latest player to play himself out of form due to the revolving door
Reserves Game
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-15/reserves-back-to-their-best (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-15/reserves-back-to-their-best)
Lions: 9.3 13.6 14.16 20.14.134
Labrador: 0.2 2.2 3.4 5.5.35
Goals
Lions: S. Michael 4, J. Green 3, C. Bartlett 3, J. Crisp 2, P. Karnezis 2, M. Close , A. Cornelius , L. Dawson , C. Tickner , N. Hayes , J. O''Brien
Labrador: R. White , B. Boyle , J. Goldsmith , R. Davey , A. Clarke
Best
Lions: J. Green, S. Michael, P. Karnezis, M. Close, N. Hayes
Labrador: J. Stephenson, A. Watts, A. Clarke, M. Clarke, T. Grayson, R. White
If only the 1s were as good as the 2s :-\ :-\
the neafl is the poorest quality second tier league in the country
It may be, but some of the guys in the 2s should be in the 1s, like Green, Michael and Karnezis imo.
Poor from voss pulling blacky off. milestone match.
Brown and Merrett back in next week. much needed. Green hopefully back in the 22 as well.
Maybe Vossie unintentionally helped Blackie make up his mind whether to continue. Another typical poor decision by Voss we were level with Freo in contested possessions and Black was leading that area when he was subbed. Why sub a player who is winning you the Ball.
um? because he can?
sorry Ringo.....
Black was probably one of our better players anyway
Quote from: Cicjose on June 16, 2013, 02:27:12 AM
um? because he can?
sorry Ringo.....
That would be the only reason Cic ;) ;) ;) and maybe put more nails in the coffin ;D ;D
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-15/voss-post-match (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-15/voss-post-match)
QuoteFATIGUE was the reason why Simon Black was subbed out of his club record-breaking 319th game during the third quarter, according to Lion's coach Michael Voss.
Black had accumulated 13 disposals and was the leading clearance player on the ground when he pulled on the red vest late in the third term with the Lions trailing by 23 points.
"He was battling physically," Voss said in the post-match press conference.
So maybe it wasn't Voss?
Sounds like BS to me. Guaranteed that Black wouldn't have wanted to come off.
Vossy's excuse or cover-up for a stupid decision. Sorry Michael, you flowered up.
If Black was fatigued then maybe he should have retired because obviously he can't run out a full game and is taking a spot from another player.
Quote from: nrich102 on June 16, 2013, 07:31:20 AM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-15/voss-post-match (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-06-15/voss-post-match)
QuoteFATIGUE was the reason why Simon Black was subbed out of his club record-breaking 319th game during the third quarter, according to Lion's coach Michael Voss.
Black had accumulated 13 disposals and was the leading clearance player on the ground when he pulled on the red vest late in the third term with the Lions trailing by 23 points.
"He was battling physically," Voss said in the post-match press conference.
So maybe it wasn't Voss?
Sorry do not believe him
Can you trust someone who also makes this statement
"Voss said
stability and continuity was the key for the Lions in their development in the second half of the year." with the revolving door policy we are seeing.
Regarding my observations on Black he does seem to be struggling a bit physically this year but he still manages to run the game out. Maybe the larger Subiaco Oval was a factor. I would still rather have Black winning possessions than being on the sideline. It was only after Black was subbed that Freo really burst the game open. Not saying it cost us the game as the better side one but Black may have been the difference between a 20 point defeat and the 40 point final margin.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-champion-simon-black-battles-mystery-bug-in-milestone-match/story-fnia3y5g-1226664434637
Looks like we may have been a bit too critical on Blacks replacing.
"The triple premiership hero admitted after the game to being confused and concerned by his condition over the past 10 days, especially the sleeplessness, and said he would consult the club doctor.
He said he did not ask to be subbed off but had told the runners he was battling and he had no objections when the decision was made by the coach.
"I don't think I've ever struggled that badly," he said.
"I didn't feel great coming into the game and to be honest I have been pretty flat for about 10 days."
Hope they find the cause as imagine how well he can play 100% fit.
The Crowley tag probably didn't help
Great to see Merrett and Brown back.
I know teams usually do not line up as announced but do not like Lester at FF and Hanley on the Ball. Mayes and Hanley should swap imo. Golby in the centre also a bit of a surprise although he can interchange with Rich.
Looking at the team unless Moloney is not fully fitor Raines is not required to tag Selwood hard to see Yeo, Harwood and Docherty making final cut.
So Docherty is in, chances he is the sub again?
Suspect so Matt unfortunately.
We have gone very heavy in defensive players with Yeo, Harwood and Dochers all being named so If Dochers does not start with vest he will probably be a candidate for red. Harwood may be given a run through the mids though.
Yet another selection stuff up by Voss. Bewick has been one of the better performers this year up forward.
Yeah I was surprised to see Bewick dropped, I have watched a fair few Lions games this season and he has been impressive. Normally you don't see the same player get a vest twice in a row but that theory has gone out the window this season. Docherty looks like the prime candidate unless it is Rich trying to manage his minutes.
If I had my way Yeo would be the sub, green and bewick would be in there as well.
Okay, I'm not a Lions supporter, but Rohan Bewick is one of my favourite Lions players.
Time to utter expletives nice and loudly since I'm home alone.
What a cow.
Are you actually kidding me? Why the flower would he drop Bewick? One of the players that has actually done decently this year.
I've kept my support with Voss for a while thinking he can turn things around if he can just get all the players on the park, but that's it. Sack him and get a decent coach, who actually knows what positions his players play best in, in there.
Vest/Drop Bewick, we may as well de list Brown, Black, Merrett, Rockliff, Redden, Rich, Zorko and Hanley.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 21, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
Yeah I was surprised to see Bewick dropped, I have watched a fair few Lions games this season and he has been impressive. Normally you don't see the same player get a vest twice in a row but that theory has gone out the window this season. Docherty looks like the prime candidate unless it is Rich trying to manage his minutes.
realisticly there is 3 or 4 players that fit it well
Dochery, Yeo, Harwood and a very doubtful chance of Mayes
Is Voss's stupidity with selections the reason Hanley and Rich have not re-signed yet, Would hate to think so but Voss with his selections is doing nothing to inspire me. Team selection has Lester forward and I can not remember Lester playing forward as yet but may be wrong as an example.
Regarding vest can not see Mayes getting the vest given the team that is named. He says tongue in cheek Harwood will probably get the vest as he was one of the better performers against Freo and Carlton the week before.
Dare I dream of the team with a real coach, who knows what we could do
Me too Strikes - Have a very promising young list and with the right coach can do wonders. Reckon we should really be chasing hard on Paul Roos.
What about Eade? He said something about Melbourne, would be good at Brisbane
Roos, Williams or Eade, maybe even Harvey if he wants a senior position again. One of these could takes us to a flag.
Was Harvey a good coach at freo? I havent been following footy for that long.
Harvey in my opinion is not an option. He was great at developing players and always had Freo there abouts but could not take to the next level as Lyon has done this year. Will be an excellent development coach.
Thanks Ringo
Quote from: Ringo on June 23, 2013, 07:43:35 AM
Harvey in my opinion is not an option. He was great at developing players and always had Freo there abouts but could not take to the next level as Lyon has done this year. Will be an excellent development coach.
I actually think that Harvey was a good coach. Lyon coming in this year just has the game style for those players and his lock down play works so well with Freo's set up. I think that Harvey would be a bit of a last resort option though for us and hopefully he does stay on in some sort of assistant role.
ASHLEY MCGRATH YOU LEGEND!
What a last qtr.... 8)
I'm freaking out at the thought of Voss possibly keeping his job because of this win.
Could it happen? :o ::) :(
Quote from: NigeyS on June 23, 2013, 07:28:39 PM
I'm freaking out at the thought of Voss possibly keeping his job because of this win.
Could it happen? :o ::) :(
Now's not the time to be thinking of that.
8th largest comeback in history after trailing by as much as 52 points! What a last quarter 8 goals. We are the giant killers, anyone in the top 2, we beat. Bring on the Hawks next week ;)
Lets not think of that Nigey, it's time to celebrate :) ;D :D :D
I'll let you Lions supporters have your fun, I'll just sit here and fret about what Vossy is doing to Pearce Hanley. :'(
What happened to Mayes? Was it a bad injury?
I went from :) when Lions lead early q1 to :( then until en of q3 I was going :( :( :'(
Then q4 came around I was like ??? ??? :-\ :-\ >:( :-\ :-[ :-\ :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well done Brisbane! I'm sure Ringo had a blast!
Yes specky was amazing. BP just about back to normal - need to do some gargling to restore voice. Noise in stadium deafening.
Do not think this win will take the pressure of Voss completely. Was not happy when I seen Hanley and Rockliff lining up forward at first bounce.
Thought I would write up my appraisal of the game after coming down from the emotional high. Was amazing atmosphere at the Ground with one of our biggest crowds of the season creating a deafening roar in the last quarter, so much so that they had to keep the full time siren sounding for at least 20 seconds. It was only when I viewed the last 2 minute Video that I realised the siren actually sounded just after McGrath took the mark.
Any way observations on the match from a Brisbane perspective.
It was not Voss's coaching that got the win it was the players and the effort in the final quarter. When will Voss realise that Hanley and Rockliff are not forwards and play them where they belong from the start.
Moloney undoubtedly played his best game for the season for the Lions and was the catalyst to lift the team in the last Quarter. Went Head to head with Selwood and although had less possessions his 3.1 return was very instrumental in the result.
Black what can you say was the outstanding player on the field and probably received the three Brownlow votes. In this form should he retire at the end of the season?
"Sauce" Merrett is definitely needed in defence and showed hos worth in the last quarter with some pressure marks in defence, Had his hands full with Hawkins and at times made a few poor decisions early which cost goals. Maybe this may have been a result of 3 weeks on the sidelines.
Jordan Lisle is providing an alternative target to Brown and hope Voss allows him to establish himself there. Also being used as as the relief Ruck which may or may not be a good thing.
Rich is working his way back to full fitness started like a house on fire but slowed a little.
McGrath lifted for his 200th game and kicked the winning goal. He has been under pressure from both Green and Banfield for this small forward role and answered the challenge.
Clarke developing well into the 3rd Tall defender and making it difficult for Maguire to force his way back in.
With Moloney being used as a run with player do we need to use Raines as a tagger. Was surprised that he was dropped but Moloney did a reasonable Job and Selwood.
Mayes copped an early knock and was largely ineffective and was subsequently subbed. Bewick should return if he does not come up to give more balance and allowing Hanley to return.
Will Voss now stop his revolving door policy given that he has staed that he wants to develop the core team in the 2nd half of the year.
Trust the team watches the video of the first 3/4 and see how Geelong moved the ball and found easy open targets. Too often the ball came into the centre and Geelong cleared by weight of numbers,
Lions need to ensure Tackles stick and attack the man with the ball. There were quite a few occasions in the match where the Geelong attacker was allowed to run with the defender standing off.
Umpiring again was inconsistent and as a fan hard to get a handle on the differences in Holding the Ball, Fair tackling and rolling the player resulting in in in the back calls, deliberate out of bounds, and the big one imo the Holding and scragging that goes on between defenders and forwards. This is not a winge against the umps for the Lions not winning the free kick count again at home (Yet to win a home free kick tally this year) but an observation as it effects both teams.
Was pleased that McGrath kicked the winning goal as the talking point would have been the inconclusive goal decision from Brown in the second quarter which imo was definitely a goal as I was right behind the goal and did not see a touch or even a touch on the replay. We have seen so many "inconclusive" and subsequently wrong decisions this year so if the AFL is going to use this then it needs to improve the technology with high resolution cameras behind the goal and sensors in the goal posts to detect touches. As a fan at the ground waiting 3 - 4 minutes for the decision is not good either.
Best team imo
FB: Clarke, Merrett, Patfull
HB: Golby, Adcock, Rich
MID: Hanley, Moloney, Zorko
HF: Black, Brown, Mayes
FF: Bewick, Lisle, Green
Fol: Luenberger, Rockliff, Reddan
Int: Raines, Docherty, Longer, Staker
Emg: Goose, Yeo/Harwood/Polkinghorn, Michael
I like having 2 Ruckman, I think it is one of the better ways to develop Longer. I dont think Black will play much at HFF, but I need to name him somewhere.
Any objections Strikes/BB67th/Ringo?
McGrath is probably in front of both Green and Banfield atm. Banfield is performing better than Green in the 2's as well.
Like 2 Ruckman myself but Longer needs to develop his kicking skills and forward positioning as a resting Ruckman. Would like to see that developed in the 2's but at the moment in the 2's Longer is sole rucking with Michael playing this role. Would like to see this reversed in 2's.
Lisle/Merrett will be serviceable as relief rucks as Berger he has the ticker to Ruck 80/90% of game time. Only time it would be an issue is coming up against teams with 2 genuine rucks like West Coast.
So would replace Longer with Lester. I would have Lester before Yeo and Harwood.
After Moloneys performance yesterday as a run with player Raines may be a luxury on I/c bench but jury still out on this one. If this is proven the case for balance would have Green/Banfield replace Raines..
forgot McGrath, lol
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Hahahaha
Great win by the Lions. Couldn't believe when I checked the score at the end of the game after seeing the score in 3rd quarter.
But why did Harwood start sub? He had been one of their better performers the previous 2 rounds surely?
Quote from: CrowsFan on June 24, 2013, 06:03:22 PM
Great win by the Lions. Couldn't believe when I checked the score at the end of the game after seeing the score in 3rd quarter.
But why did Harwood start sub? He had been one of their better performers the previous 2 rounds surely?
IOne word CF - Voss
For a coach that needs to improve his performance some of his selections are mind boggling to say the least.
Quote from: nrich102 on June 24, 2013, 09:28:16 AM
Best team imo
FB: Clarke, Merrett, Patfull
HB: Golby, Adcock, Rich
MID: Hanley, Moloney, Zorko
HF: Black, Brown, Mayes
FF: Bewick, Lisle, Green
Fol: Luenberger, Rockliff, Reddan
Int: Raines, Docherty, Longer, Staker
Emg: Goose, Yeo/Harwood/Polkinghorn, Michael
I like having 2 Ruckman, I think it is one of the better ways to develop Longer. I dont think Black will play much at HFF, but I need to name him somewhere.
Any objections Strikes/BB67th/Ringo?
yep love that team. as you said with black, probably has to go in the guts. he's very slick with his handballs. zorko could maybe rotate through the middle at times. Bewick needs to be in the team
Quote from: nrich102 on June 24, 2013, 09:28:16 AM
Best team imo
FB: Clarke, Merrett, Patfull
HB: Golby, Adcock, Rich
MID: Hanley, Moloney, Zorko
HF: Black, Brown, Mayes
FF: Bewick, Lisle, Green
Fol: Luenberger, Rockliff, Reddan
Int: Raines, Docherty, Longer, Staker
Emg: Goose, Yeo/Harwood/Polkinghorn, Michael
I like having 2 Ruckman, I think it is one of the better ways to develop Longer. I dont think Black will play much at HFF, but I need to name him somewhere.
Any objections Strikes/BB67th/Ringo?
Black in the guts, and McGrath is probably still deserving of a spot in the team at the moment (not just because of last night). Also I'd have Martin in over Longer at the moment as the third tall and back up ruck, but I know he is still coming back from injury. Besides that the team looks pretty good. We have a very nice back 6.
Bewick still not in the team ??? What is Vossy thinking?
He seems to think Hanley and Rockliff are better forwards ::)
sat here today and just watched our talent fly out the window with poor coaching
i'm sure everyone knows and is over hearing it but Pearce Hanley has to play permanently off half back. if this means dropping some players so be it. tom rockliff needs to go in the guts. find room for him. I would love this team to be named come thursday night merrett pending
Adcock - Merrett/Goose - Clarke
Golby - Patful - Hanley
Redden - Moloney - Rich
Zorko - Brown - McGrath
Green - Lisle - Staker
Berger - Black - Rockliff
Lester - Yeo - Raines
Mayes
Would you play both Merrett and Goose in place of Clarke? Haven't watched a lot of Brisbane but I know Maguire and Sauce are both very good shut down defenders and Clarke still young and inexperienced.
Best way to get Carke experienced is for him to play
Clarke is going to be a very good defender. have to keep playing him. infact if mcguire was to come it i reckon patful should go out before clarke but voss will protect him even though he has been poor all year.
Has Patful really been that bad?
Quote from: nrich102 on July 01, 2013, 07:40:34 AM
Has Patful really been that bad?
imo yes. down on his performances from last few years
I missed the game against the Hawks and read that Rocky played mainly forward again. Is it all the coaching of Voss or could his quad still be bothering him a fraction meaning he can't spend extended amounts of time in the middle?
Think you hit the nail on the head here matt Will be watching closelly to see if this is the case in future. Quad injuriies are hard to diagnose for correction and this may be one that hs to be nursed a little but allows you to play. Nothing official in the Lions medical reports though.
Regarding Clarke though he has to be played as often as possible as I see him being a key defender for Lions in in years to come. At the moment happy to see him as the 3rd defender in place of Maguire or Parful.
There goes Patfuls title defence :P
Do not think he is up there this year Rich down on last years form. Will be interesting to see how this years go. Hard to say at this stage. Reddan may be in front at the moment.
Is Mayes on the fringe or an "always considered" list for selection when he is fit?
The problem with Mayes is that he is basically a midfielder and that is where Brisbanes strength lies atm. He is a little on the short side to be a KPP but may be handy in the pocket but then has to compete with Zorko and Green. He is only 19 so will get chances especially if Black retires this year. So atm he is on the fringe but will not always be the case.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-07-02/merrett-being-monitored
This may explain Docherty being subbed. Last paragraph of News item on Merrett.
"In other injury news, Sam Docherty looks set to miss 2-3 weeks after hurting his back during Sunday's match against Hawthorn. "
Quote from: Ringo on July 02, 2013, 03:53:28 PM
The problem with Mayes is that he is basically a midfielder and that is where Brisbanes strength lies atm. He is a little on the short side to be a KPP but may be handy in the pocket but then has to compete with Zorko and Green. He is only 19 so will get chances especially if Black retires this year. So atm he is on the fringe but will not always be the case.
Thanks Ringo
Black leaves, Rocky plays in the mids, Mayes plays.
I think that'll be how it is.
Not another two years......
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The poll result is interesting BB with the no vote in front. can not see Voss improving with the increase in Coaching Staff. It is not the lack of Coaching staff that makes the decision to play Hanley and Rockliff forward - It is not the coaching staff that makes the decision to leave Patful on Hawkins when Hawkins is killing it. just a couple of examples showing Voss's lack of Nous.
If increasing the coaching staff maybe keep Voss in some role and bring in Roos or another experienced coach.
Quote from: Ringo on July 03, 2013, 10:31:32 AM
The poll result is interesting BB with the no vote in front. can not see Voss improving with the increase in Coaching Staff. It is not the lack of Coaching staff that makes the decision to play Hanley and Rockliff forward - It is not the coaching staff that makes the decision to leave Patful on Hawkins when Hawkins is killing it. just a couple of examples showing Voss's lack of Nous.
If increasing the coaching staff maybe keep Voss in some role and bring in Roos or another experienced coach.
If Roos not available, Neeldy might enjoy the Qld sunshine ;)
Some good ins this week. blackys out though
Quote from: strikes91 on July 04, 2013, 07:02:51 PM
Some good ins this week. blackys out though
Would like to have seen Lisle given a bit more of a go though strikes. Although I welcome the inclussion of Bewick he does not have the height that Lisle has to be the second traget forward. Trust we are not going to use Lester foread again though.
Raines will tag Ablett and suspect Mayes or Green may be the sub but who kinows with Voss's selections.
Lisle :(
team set up was good tonight. rocky looked good going in the guts, if he played the entire game there he could of went 35-40 touches
Moloney Out for 2 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-09/calf-strain-set-to-sideline-moloney-for-two-weeks) :(
Maybe more mid time for Rocky - mayes will also get a decent run as well with Black Doubtful as well.
All Queensland Grand Final next year. You heard it here first
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
All Queensland Grand Final next year. You heard it here first
Lol
A good point about last night's match. North Melbourne was 10th on the ladder before the game. Means that we finally beat a team ranked from 3rd-10th. And with a good draw until the last round, I think we could get 11 or 12 wins for the year.
Good win by the Lions, very happy they won.
Yes, I'm still bitter from Norf beating Richmond even though we won this week too.
Also, I tipped Brisbane and my fantasy players did well.
;D
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2013, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: TeeJay on July 14, 2013, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
All Queensland Grand Final next year. You heard it here first
Lol
Laugh all you want.
I'd pencil,
pencil both in for finals next year but can't be sure....granny a bit steep I think.
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
All Queensland Grand Final next year. You heard it here first
Lol
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2013, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: TeeJay on July 14, 2013, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
All Queensland Grand Final next year. You heard it here first
Lol
Laugh all you want.
I am..
All you Brissy supporters thought you were gonna play finals this year because you won the nab cup ::)
You wont play finals as long as you still have Voss as your coach and you are still a long way off a grand final.
Goldcoast will naturally progress further but they wont get the easy fixture spoon fed to them a 4th year in a row as there are plenty of teams below them now.
Why won't we play finals?
Our fixture:
Melbourne - win
Port - win
St. Kilda - win
Richmond - draw
GWS - win
Bulldogs - win
Geelong - loss
11-1-10
Might be enough to play finals.
Agree with Nails here - Think the first Round Loss to Bulldogs though may be the game that keeps us out of the eight. If we win all 7 left we will make it and it may be a very big last round for us at skilled so maybe Geelong may be kind with a top 4 position sown up GS may be in play.
Quote from: Nails on July 15, 2013, 12:55:39 PM
Why won't we play finals?
Our fixture:
Melbourne - win
Port - win
St. Kilda - win
Richmond - draw
GWS - win
Bulldogs - win
Geelong - loss
11-1-10
Might be enough to play finals.
Your not serious?
For starter 11 and a half wins wont get you finals. You will need 12 and a very good percentage this year.
Secondly, you are being a bit optomistic with your wins and losses for the rest of the year.
Melboure- Should win (game in darwin makes it a 50/50)
Port- Loss
Saints- Win
Richmond- Loss
Gws- Win
Dogs- Win
Geelong Loss
That is more realistic
Quote from: Ringo on July 15, 2013, 01:06:35 PM
Agree with Nails here - Think the first Round Loss to Bulldogs though may be the game that keeps us out of the eight. If we win all 7 left we will make it and it may be a very big last round for us at skilled so maybe Geelong may be kind with a top 4 position sown up GS may be in play.
You wont win all 7 and you know it
Quote from: TeeJay on July 15, 2013, 01:08:44 PM
Quote from: Ringo on July 15, 2013, 01:06:35 PM
Agree with Nails here - Think the first Round Loss to Bulldogs though may be the game that keeps us out of the eight. If we win all 7 left we will make it and it may be a very big last round for us at skilled so maybe Geelong may be kind with a top 4 position sown up GS may be in play.
You wont win all 7 and you know it
Which is probably why he said 'if', mate. We're all allowed to indulge in a bit of wishful thinking at times.
I feel that if we keep up our current form, we are a good chance to win the next 6 games. Port at AAMI and Richmond at the MCG obviously will be tough games for us, but if we want to show that if we have improved any this year, they are games we need to win. I feel we could go close to finals this year and the Bulldogs game in round 1 could well be the match that prevents us from making finals.
Quote from: Nails on July 15, 2013, 12:55:39 PM
Why won't we play finals?
Our fixture:
Melbourne - win
Port - win
St. Kilda - win
Richmond - draw
GWS - win
Bulldogs - win
Geelong - loss
11-1-10
Might be enough to play finals.
are you serious, no where near enough draws. i can sense some more against port and geelong
Quote from: TeeJay on July 15, 2013, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Nails on July 15, 2013, 12:55:39 PM
Why won't we play finals?
Our fixture:
Melbourne - win
Port - win
St. Kilda - win
Richmond - draw
GWS - win
Bulldogs - win
Geelong - loss
11-1-10
Might be enough to play finals.
Your not serious?
For starter 11 and a half wins wont get you finals. You will need 12 and a very good percentage this year.
Secondly, you are being a bit optomistic with your wins and losses for the rest of the year.
Melboure- Should win (game in darwin makes it a 50/50)
Port- Loss
Saints- Win
Richmond- Loss
Gws- Win
Dogs- Win
Geelong Loss
That is more realistic
Are you an idiot? Brisbane can beat Port and Richmond. How does playing Melbourne in Darwin make it a 50/50. It is stupid putting Brisbane at par with Melbourne. Shut up you troll.
Quote from: nrich102 on July 17, 2013, 07:21:19 AM
Quote from: TeeJay on July 15, 2013, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Nails on July 15, 2013, 12:55:39 PM
Why won't we play finals?
Our fixture:
Melbourne - win
Port - win
St. Kilda - win
Richmond - draw
GWS - win
Bulldogs - win
Geelong - loss
11-1-10
Might be enough to play finals.
Your not serious?
For starter 11 and a half wins wont get you finals. You will need 12 and a very good percentage this year.
Secondly, you are being a bit optomistic with your wins and losses for the rest of the year.
Melboure- Should win (game in darwin makes it a 50/50)
Port- Loss
Saints- Win
Richmond- Loss
Gws- Win
Dogs- Win
Geelong Loss
That is more realistic
Are you an idiot? Brisbane can beat Port and Richmond. How does playing Melbourne in Darwin make it a 50/50. It is stupid putting Brisbane at par with Melbourne. Shut up you troll.
if anything it favours brisbane even more playing in Darwin.
On another note how good was it watching rocky back in the mids. classy player
some big ins to come in next week, will need them against port. just wondering what the team will be like. this what I expect from voss
Adcock - McGurie - Clarke
Golby - Patful - Hanley
Redden - Black - Mayes
Zorko - Brown - Rockliff
Green - Merrett - Bewick
Berger - Moloney - Rich
Raines - McGrath - Staker
Lester
Would be great if Voss did this but as we know he does not. Starting to think McGrath is a bit of luxury as a small forward/defender these days so may replace him with Harwood or Docherty. Suspect Black may be the player subbed as well.
Shame to see Rocky forward as he has shown in the last 2 weeks what he can do in the guts.
who would you's rather Raines go to on Sunday. I'm thinking Wingard maybe Boak
I would think Wingard as well been carving it up - Boak or Brad Ebert would be the other possibilities.
Goose to play game 150 this week :)
Why did Harwood get dropped? He's been playing well recently hasn't he? ???
He has been playing CF - With the return of Golby though someone had to go. Would have thought it would have been Yeo before Harwood though but this is Voss we are talking about. Docherty made the most of his opportunitiy last week and retained position. Leaving Golby, Harwood and Yeo fighting for 2 positions.
Yeo has been gun. Deserves his spot.
someone had to drop out
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The story of the lions next year...
...Maybe we'll be good when Coles gets new ads :P
any news on moloneys hammy ? hopefully black will be straight swap for him. clarke looks like he is getting fatigued, maybe rest him pushing merrett into defence and bring in lisle.
No news on Moloneys Hammy or Hanleys hand yet. Should be something in Bupa update tomorrow.
Agree with Clarke but maybe recall Michael who has been having some good games in reserves. Stephan Martin is also possibly available for selection as well. Lisle should also be given an extended run forward as well.
Quote from: Ringo on July 29, 2013, 07:56:42 PM
No news on Moloneys Hammy or Hanleys hand yet. Should be something in Bupa update tomorrow.
Agree with Clarke but maybe recall Michael who has been having some good games in reserves. Stephan Martin is also possibly available for selection as well. Lisle should also be given an extended run forward as well.
#BigBoySammytoReturn ;) This kid is a gun.
Surprised to see Jesse O get a game and Ash McGrath dropped. No Sam Micheael though :-[
Michael is being developed in the 2's as a R/F looking to the Future. Thought Stefan Martin may have been in line as well.
Based on reserves form I thought Karnezis may have been in front of O'Brien for the recall but both worthy. Both have been in the best 6 on ground for the last 6 weeks. Reserves had the bye last week as well.
McKeever is a bit of enigma for me plays well in the reserves but can not translate to the seniors when he gets his chance so maybe he will be on the trade table as well.
Hey ringo, just thought you could let me know how Polec is going in the reserves? Has he been playing really badly and that is why he isn't getting a shot in the seniors? I know Brissy have a lot of mids, but you would think they would still give some opportunity to a very high draft pick who obviously has talent. Reckon they will trade him this year?
CF he has not been playing too badly it is just that both O'Brien and Karnezis have been playing much better than him. Bartlett may have also passed him as well. Mayes has cemented his spot as a mid as well.
Polec has only picked up one vote in the last 10 rounds as one of the best 6 on ground to give you an indication. He has also been disadvantaged by established senior players back to the reserves as a result of Voss's revolving door. Players like Green, Bewick, Polec. Polkinghorne, Harwood etc taking points when playing in reserves.
I suspect he may be used as trade bait this year Quinny but hope he does not do a Henderson on us.
Quote from: Ringo on August 02, 2013, 09:50:05 AM
CF he has not been playing too badly it is just that both O'Brien and Karnezis have been playing much better than him. Bartlett may have also passed him as well. Mayes has cemented his spot as a mid as well.
Polec has only picked up one vote in the last 10 rounds as one of the best 6 on ground to give you an indication. He has also been disadvantaged by established senior players back to the reserves as a result of Voss's revolving door. Players like Green, Bewick, Polec. Polkinghorne, Harwood etc taking points when playing in reserves.
I suspect he may be used as trade bait this year Quinny but hope he does not do a Henderson on us.
There is every chance he could given he was a No. 5 draft pick so he obviously has some talent. Just need to make sure you get something good in return unlike the other player involved in the Henderson trade :-X
thoughts on brownys career ? not such a bad injury but will be long enough for the year, I personally thought he'd go around again. he should be all good come pre season start. I can't see browny ending his career with an injury... not in him
I think he'll play another season. In his current form he could go on for as long as Fletcher ::) :P
At least one more for Brown. He wants to get the club to another finals campaign at least.
Just a few comments on last nights game. Actually attended this game after missing the last 2 due to birth of 4th grand child in Townsville.
The big issue coming out of the game (apart from Brownies injury) is we were again on the wrong end of the free kick count 19 - 7. We did not get a free kick at all in the 3rd quarter. I was paying very strict attention to the free kicks last night when and how often they are being given given our record. In my opinion only one team was being umpired last night with 4 St Kilda Goals being the result of free kicks. (I was interested to read the comment that Lions fans were boing Saad and whilst there was a small element that did throughout the game the one that was highlighted was the result of Saad being paid a dubious free kick and of course you boo when that happens regardless of who it is),Frustrations were boiling over and no doubt this contributed to the flare ups that occurred, The one real umpiring inconsistency that upset me was St Kilda invariably receiving a free kick for over the shoulder in tackles and not holding the ball but in Brisbanes case when the same thing occurred we were pinged for holding the ball. This was really illustrated by Rich when he spun around in 2 tackles with both appearing to be above the shoulders and gets pinged for holding the ball. Umpiring rant over.
The positives for Brisbane on the night - For the whole of the second half our back 6 were Patful, Adcock, Clarke, Docherty, Yeo and Harwood so this all goes well for the future,
Hanley despite the hand being well protected showed no inconvenience,
Rockliff undoubtedly was best on ground and again showed why he should be given time in the midfield.
Rich is finally starting to break tags - was tagged by Clint Jones - but broke the tag on quite a few occasions to set play up and kick 3 60 metre goals himself.
Merrett showed he will capably fill in for Brown for the rest of the season.
Despite his goal Goose is not a forward with his second kick being OOB on the full.
If we are to be a finals chance and beat Richmond next week we need to improve 100%. We tended to over use the handball quite a bit last night turning the ball over a number of times and a stronger team would have taken advantage as quite often it was turned back over by St Kilda.
I think Brownie will play on for one more year in an endeavour to play finals again.
Rockliff's playing well lately in his new role in the midfield :P
Rockliff plays well whenever he's near his best mate on the field as you can see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be6ieop9wKg
Seriously I don't think two players have made more passes to each other than anyone in the entire AFL.
Luv it Nails
Golby out for a week:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-05/mrp-full-statement-round-19 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-05/mrp-full-statement-round-19)
QuoteMitch Golby, Brisbane Lions, has been charged with a level one striking offence (225 demerit points, two-match sanction) for striking Tom Curren, St Kilda, during the second quarter of the Round 19 match between the Brisbane Lions and St Kilda, played at the Gabba on Saturday August 3, 2013.
In summary, he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the video evidence available and a medical report from the St Kilda Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional conduct (one points), low impact (one point) and high contact (two points). This is a total of six activation points, resulting in a classification of a level one offence, drawing 225 demerit points and a two-match sanction. He has no existing good or bad record. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to 168.75 points and a one-match sanction.
All I will say with this is there were a lot worse incidents than this one in the match and was surprised when I seen this report although I suspected may be the case as he threw a punch which landed softly. Golby retaliated to some niggle from Curren and fair enough lashed and needs to control and live with this as a young player, Needs to learn from Rich who was tagged by Jones all night and some of the tactics Jones used were incredible but to Rich's credit did not retaliate.
We need to win this week against Richmond - If Essendon are stripped of points as may be likely we can still make the 8 by sneaking into 9th position.
Bewick Omitted :'( :o Why?
better give Lester a full game Voss
Think Lester will be the sub this week and dropped next week - That seems to Voss's selection policies.
Bewick was the sub last week and did not get a lot of opportunities and now dropped.
Hmm really want to name Lester over B Reid vs Sydney in BXV
Quote from: nrich102 on August 08, 2013, 06:42:44 PM
Bewick Omitted :'( :o Why?
voss was praising him for giving the team run the other night. he really confuses me this bloke
Quote from: strikes91 on August 08, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on August 08, 2013, 06:42:44 PM
Bewick Omitted :'( :o Why?
voss was praising him for giving the team run the other night. he really confuses me this bloke
+20
it's punishment for 2 behinds and not 2 goals. Not good enough.
Black may play NEAFL this week :)
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-08-09/black-a-neafl-chance (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-08-09/black-a-neafl-chance)
Spanked in free kicks again. I saw at least 3 not giving to Berger and plenty around the ground. Umpires continuously blew the tackle early every time we tackled a tiger player. Half the time they should of been holding the ball
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Quote from: strikes91 on August 10, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Spanked in free kicks again. I saw at least 3 not giving to Berger and plenty around the ground. Umpires continuously blew the tackle early every time we tackled a tiger player. Half the time they should of been holding the ball
Agree Strikes over the last couple of weeks I have been watching the effect of not being paid frees which we should have as well as dubious frees from Goals. On at least 4 occasions Brisbane should have had frees in or near the forward 50 and the ball went up the other end for goals. Also today 3 goals to Tigers as a result of dubious frees,
This free kick count against us is getting ridiculous. Berger gave 2 away for holding yet could not receive any himself despite at least 3 obvious holds.
Did not also know that the rule was changed to you could not block the third man up in ruck - that was paid twice to Richmond today.
Moloney and Clarke gone for the year
Black will come back this week to replace Moloney and hopefully will stay fit for the rest of the season. Clarke will be hard to replace but rather than sending Sauce forward would leave him back and then see what Close can do forward with Paporone or Lisle. Maybe time for Voss to swallow his pride and try the Longer Berger combo for the last 3 games and see how it works. Minson in the next round will be the test.
Just heard Voss is gone at the end of the year. Any confirmation on that?
Heard that rumour to trying to confirm mate - I understand the Board were not making decision until after Brisbanes commitments were finished so would be surprised if it is true atm.
SEN Reporting it
There is so much stuff on all the afl pages i follow on facebook. Including TripleM Footy fb page. Think it may be true.
Who would have thought when the two 1996 Brownlow medalists woke up this morning, Michael Voss would have been the one losing his job? #hird
3:44pm - 13 Aug 13
From twitter he has been sacked
On AFL website now. I'm glad he's gone (although may depend on who the replacement is), but I'm quite shocked it's happened now, considering how well we've done since round 7 or so (whenever we beat the bombers).
Yeah almost reported on every news website now. I think his done but also suprised at the timing.
Paul Roos, come on down?
gives Zorko owners some hope :D
This is my favourite Voss-related tweet this evening.
Robert Griffin @RLGriffin85 1m
Voss is calling for a DRS REVIEW: Pitching outside leg. Impact not in line. Missing the wickets. Umpires decision. GONE! #VossAshes
All over the news channels now -
Had to happen, think a lot of Lions supporters would be happy about it.
Made a thread about it, I was late to the punch, but think Voss deserves his own thread
To be honest Grazz - A lot of the supporters that I talk to at the game were hopeful it would not be renewed but we were getting worried with the improved showing in beating Bombers and Cats. Expected the final announcement at end of season not prior to but starting hearing rumours about 4:00pm this afternoon.
It is also a members dinner night tonight so not the ideal time to announce. Could not afford the price tag so i am not going.
Hopefully we pull out all stocks to get Paul Roos.
can't see zorko going in the guts with our midfield depth, barring injuries
apparently on Brisbane news Roos is the new coach :o
Cya Voss. Lock in Zorko, Rocky, Reddan, Hanley and Luey next year :)
Strong rumours now that Paul Roos will be the new coach for which I am happy. Voss has also announced termination is immediate and he will not be coaching on Saturday or attending tonights Gala Ball.
Agree with strikes with the midfield depth we have even with a new coach can not see Zorko getting mid time but lock Rocky in.
I haven't seen much of Brisbane at all recently but from an outsider's view I get the feeling Voss is a bit stiff, he's won 5 of his last 7 and one thing noone can deny is that he's instilled a strong belief in the players, see the comebacks as evidence.
Hearing from you guys maybe he has been ordinary as coach, still not a great way to treat a favourite son. I lived in queensland for 5 years and so have a bit of a soft spot for brissie, will be interested to see who they get as a replacement. Would have to be someone experienced imo, otherwise not much point in sacking him at all.
Quote from: Ringo on August 13, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Strong rumours now that Paul Roos will be the new coach for which I am happy. Voss has also announced termination is immediate and he will not be coaching on Saturday or attending tonights Gala Ball.
Agree with strikes with the midfield depth we have even with a new coach can not see Zorko getting mid time but lock Rocky in.
Mate if you have enticed Roo's out of retirement then it's the move of the year. That will ease the pain at the dinner tonight announcing the signing of Roo's as coach.
Henry - agree I really respect what Voss did as a player and that is deserved but he has been an ordinary coach who could not react on match days. Voss has been a coach for 5 years and to be honest some of our draft picks should be further progressed than they have and whilst this may not be totally Voss's fault he is still the Senior coach,
Voss to coach Melbourne. :P
I am shocked at this news to say the least. He's had his problems with list management and naming teams, but I've felt that we've always had a solid high risk, high reward game plan.
I really do hope we get Paul Roos in next year as coach, and we had better not end up with an untried assistant. Maybe Mark Williams could also be looking for a new job?
If Roos does come, which I think is likely, I wonder what that will mean for the game plan? Sydney was a completely different side 10 years ago to what we have now. I don't think we have the personnel to play lock down footy. Maybe Roos could at least get us a tall forward...
Quote from: Grazz on August 13, 2013, 06:34:44 PM
Quote from: Ringo on August 13, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Strong rumours now that Paul Roos will be the new coach for which I am happy. Voss has also announced termination is immediate and he will not be coaching on Saturday or attending tonights Gala Ball.
Agree with strikes with the midfield depth we have even with a new coach can not see Zorko getting mid time but lock Rocky in.
Mate if you have enticed Roo's out of retirement then it's the move of the year. That will ease the pain at the dinner tonight announcing the signing of Roo's as coach.
Hoping so Grazz especially with Roos being a true Fitzroy boy as well. Other rumour is Matthews may return but I think that would be a backward move. Mark Harvey apparently will coach on Saturday night,
Quote from: Ringo on August 13, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Grazz on August 13, 2013, 06:34:44 PM
Quote from: Ringo on August 13, 2013, 06:30:53 PM
Strong rumours now that Paul Roos will be the new coach for which I am happy. Voss has also announced termination is immediate and he will not be coaching on Saturday or attending tonights Gala Ball.
Agree with strikes with the midfield depth we have even with a new coach can not see Zorko getting mid time but lock Rocky in.
Mate if you have enticed Roo's out of retirement then it's the move of the year. That will ease the pain at the dinner tonight announcing the signing of Roo's as coach.
Hoping so Grazz especially with Roos being a true Fitzroy boy as well. Other rumour is Matthews may return but I think that would be a backward move. Mark Harvey apparently will coach on Saturday night,
Going back to Matthews, wow that would be a mistake :o
Harvey will definitely be caretaker coach for the rest of the season. Don't think he would be interested in the top job?
Brad Scott will come to the Lions :P Should help Brisbane getting good starts... ::) :P
Quote from: nrich102 on August 13, 2013, 06:58:05 PM
Brad Scott will come to the Lions :P Should help Brisbane getting good starts... ::) :P
but will allow us to fade out in last quarter,
Hope for everyones sake, it doesn't cause bad blood between Vossy and the club. Not talking d/t revellence, but premierships/ captaincy as such
Quote from: Dudge on August 13, 2013, 07:11:40 PM
Hope for everyones sake, it doesn't cause bad blood between Vossy and the club. Not talking d/t revellence, but premiersnips/ casptancy as such
Can not see it Dudge as most members think like I am in that he was a great player but an ordinary coach. Will always be respected by the club unless he himself distances them similar to Bradshaw and Risko after the Fevola affair. .
I think it's a bit amateurish sacking him now. why not wait 3 weeks. all this does is disrupt the rest of the season.
Quote from: strikes91 on August 13, 2013, 07:28:40 PM
I think it's a bit amateurish sacking him now. why not wait 3 weeks. all this does is disrupt the rest of the season.
Clearly the board thought that it wasn't fair that Essendon got so much attention from the media.
Quote from: nrich102 on August 13, 2013, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on August 13, 2013, 07:28:40 PM
I think it's a bit amateurish sacking him now. why not wait 3 weeks. all this does is disrupt the rest of the season.
Clearly the board thought that it wasn't fair that Essendon got so much attention from the media.
Only thing could possibly think of is that they have a new coach lined up and want to pout it out there early. If this is not the case then the whole board should be accountable at AGM. Bear in mind tonight is also the Gala Ball so there will be a nice pall over that. Very amateurish from them if not.
In case you are not aware Voss had certain Key Performance indicators he had to achieve this year and I suspect that he has not achieved as despite the latest results we are not that much further up the ladder. Further press conferences will be held tomorrow.
If the Board can not give a decent reason as to why sacking was announced today and not wait till season end then they should be held accountable at the AGM.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-13/lions-dump-voss
This is the really telling statistic from the article
"Their best finish since 2009 has been 13th. Voss has a 40 per cent winning record as coach."
Official News conference scheduled for midday tomorrow.
Surprised..... But only matter of Time
Im wondering if player retention wasn't a factor in the timing of his demise with a few players still unsigned and unhappy.
40% winning ratio is better than I could do so I wont be critical there but from an outsider looking in I think it was always coming and probably for the better he goes. Timing is a bit odd but we all may be the wiser tomorrow after the press conference as to why now.
So is it confirmed he's not coaching for the rest of the season?
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-08-13/brisbane-lions-senior-coach-
Voss, in his fifth year as Lions coach was off-contract at the end of this season. Voss notified the Club that he would stand down from the role effective immediately.
Copy and paste sometimes struggles on here, but basically yep Voss told the club he won't coach out the year.
Hearing Mark Harvey will coach for rest of the season
Hey Lions supporters,
You guys got GWS this week and I am confident you will win but would like to know who you reckon will go to who in terms of tagging. Will Rocky handle his tag if he gets one at all, I am wondering if he is still a solid captaincy option despite my rule of never captaining blokes vs GWS.
Cheers :)
I think they would tag Rich, Hanley and Zorko maybe
Rockliff got tagged over Rich on the weekend but to be fair it was a very loose one from Jackson, only stood him tightly during the stoppages
In a funny sort of way it would be good to have say he wasn't interested in coaching when the Melbourne gig came up only for him to coach Brisbane :P
Some fans really don't know much about the game :o
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-13/lions-chairman-heckled (http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-13/lions-chairman-heckled)
Think the heckling was more to due with the timing of the announcement rather than the fact he has been sacked. I would have heckled as well unless a good reason could be given making an announcement 3 games before the end of the season. Whilst I agree with the decision am not satisfied with timing so really awaiting todays press conferences. Am also concerned if decision was made why did the club allow him to front yesterdays morning press conference.
Contract according to all information was to be finalised at end of season and that was when the decision was to be made.
Maybe the Board chose the timing to coincide with Essendons announcements to deflect some heat. The other possible feasible explanation is the Board made the decision at their regular meeting and to prevent leaks decided to immediately tell players and the coach hence the 3.30 meeting yesterday afternoon. The article says that Voss was told he could coach till end of year but declined.
Quote from: vinny on August 13, 2013, 09:19:10 PM
Hey Lions supporters,
You guys got GWS this week and I am confident you will win but would like to know who you reckon will go to who in terms of tagging. Will Rocky handle his tag if he gets one at all, I am wondering if he is still a solid captaincy option despite my rule of never captaining blokes vs GWS.
Cheers :)
Black will be back this week end as well so the Tags will go to Black and Rich first then Hanley or Rocky.
Brisbane next year face the likelihood of no Voss, Brown or Black...
Officially a new era from next year if they have a new coach, new captain and (I think) no premiership players left....
Who will be captain nek year if Brown retires?
Adcock?
Rocky?
Rich?
Will be interesting to see if this changes the minds of players reportedly wanting a trade out; Longer, Karnezis, Polec, Docherty, etc.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 14, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
Brisbane next year face the likelihood of no Voss, Brown or Black...
Officially a new era from next year if they have a new coach, new captain and (I think) no premiership players left....
Ash McGrath is a premiership player, will depend if he goes around again.
Ash Mc Grath was a member of the 2003 premiership team and from memory Daniel Merret was an emergency but did not play.
Quote from: Windigo on August 14, 2013, 09:12:17 AM
Who will be captain nek year if Brown retires?
Adcock?
Rocky?
Rich?
Here is the official statement from the Board
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-08-14/message-from-the-chairman
It would appear from the statement and media conference that the decision was made not to renew Voss's contract and that decision was announced quickly after the decision made to prevent leaks and hose down any speculation.
The statement also goes on to say that that no firm decision on new coach has been made and we wait for official announcement although Roos may be the favourite if he decides to apply.
regarding Captaincy Adcock is the current co- captain with Brown and rich and Rocky vice captains. Decision obviously will be up to club and new coach but suspect Adcock will become Captain with Rich and Rocky retaining VC. Brown may continue for another year though so co captaincy will continue.
Was very impressed with both Voss and the Chairman at the press conference today.
New coach may not be cut and dried,
Number of players have taken to twitter to thank Voss and none were aware of the decision until yesterdays 3:30pm meeting which shocked all.
Quote from: Ringo on August 14, 2013, 02:40:59 PM
Was very impressed with both Voss and the Chairman at the press conference today.
New coach may not be cut and dried,
Number of players have taken to twitter to thank Voss and none were aware of the decision until yesterdays 3:30pm meeting which shocked all.
I Thought Vossy was pretty classy today Ringo, obviously upset by the decision as more than half life has been invested in the Lions roughly. Always been respected by myself, didn't really rate him as a coach from the outside looking in. Although a 40% winning record isn't ordinary considering, drafting early days wasn't great and set him back a year or two. Still think he should of gone away from the Lions and learnt his trade then return when all his team mates had retired, hindsight is a lovely thing.
The other thing I took from the conference like yourself was maybe the new coach isn't cut and dry. Timing wasn't great for the sacking but's it's understandable to me as a non supporter, they have Harvey and other quality people as caretakers for now but most of all need to be in there looking for a coach if there is any chance Roos can be enticed and atleast be in there pitching with Melbourne for any other available coach should Roos not want the job.
Wonder how Harvey feels about it all
Quote from: Ricochet on August 14, 2013, 03:16:07 PM
Wonder how Harvey feels about it all
Wouldn't surprise me if he always had it in the back of his mind that he might coach the Lions one day.... not actively seeking it, but biding his time....
Reckon Gold Coast would be highly interested in Voss as an assistant but he might want to get out of that state
Quote from: ossie85 on August 14, 2013, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on August 14, 2013, 03:16:07 PM
Wonder how Harvey feels about it all
Wouldn't surprise me if he always had it in the back of his mind that he might coach the Lions one day.... not actively seeking it, but biding his time....
This is the unknown factor - how many of the existing assistant coaches will keep their jobs under a new coach. Think Harvey may go if a different coach appointed - For those that are not aware Brisbane Coaching structure under Voss:
Mark Harvey - Football & Coaching Strategist
Gary O'Donnell - Innovation & Development Manager
Adrian Fletcher - Assistant Coach
Shane Woewodin - Assistant Coach
Murray Davis - Assistant Coach
Jamie Charman - Ruck Coach
Leigh Harding - Development Coach and Reserves Coach
The club has also committed to increasing funding to this area to match other teams.
Quote from: Windigo on August 14, 2013, 09:12:17 AM
Who will be captain nek year if Brown retires?
Adcock?
Rocky?
Rich?
Adcock is co captain with Brown this year. You'd think he'll be captain after Brown retires
Not sure whether I agree with the latest development in the coaching saga - Reports are that coach will be appointed for 2/3 years with one of their main responsibilities to mentor the yet to be appointed assistant coach to take over at conclusion. This is similar what Roos did for Longmire at Swans so if that is to be so be it. If Roos does not accept or be lured suspect this may fall to Harvey unless Eade or Choco can be enticed north.
Names initially being mentioned for the assistant coach role are Justin Leppitsch and Adam Simpson but others may come to light.
Roos to Eagles, Worsfold to Brissie ;)
Surely Roosy wouldn't coach the Eagles after our rivalry against them when he was coaching the Swans!
Thoughts on our team this week.
Bit surprised with the inclusion of McGrath and surprised to see him named on ground. With Clarke being out expected Merrett to revert back and either Lisle or Cornelius to come in up front. Sub I think will rest between Bewick and Docherty although Lester has been subbed as well previously. Suspect maybe Docherty.
glad bewick is back
You guys confident about 100+ win this week?
Quote from: strikes91 on August 15, 2013, 09:40:24 PM
glad bewick is back
From an outsiders point of view I'm really surprised he's been dropped so many times this year as the games I've seen he's played well.
But I guess that issue has been done to death in this thread ;)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 15, 2013, 10:18:16 PM
You guys confident about 100+ win this week?
got no idea what might happen on saturday
Would not be confident of 100+ win basically because of the unexpected timing of the announcement of Voss's sacking which may effect some players physcie.
anyone read the article about rockliff and voss having a fall out ? Rocky denies it but I reckon it was there. this was my favourite part of the article
Quote
"I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't have the tough conversations with him and he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't have the tough conversations with me.
"Our conversations were always in the best interests of the footy club moving forward
QuoteIt is believed the list of "robust discussions" included Rockliff's mid-season shift to the forward line when the Lions were struggling for numbers.
I have read and re read Strikes trying to work out and think it may be more to do with how Voss related to players rather than a falling out. Will really be interestesd to see the game tomorrow night and how the players mental state is. If Voss was still coaching would have no concerns but we now have the unknown.
Horrible match. Didn't like some of the players attitudes at all. Especially golly and redden
Some interesting aspects to come out of the game:
Mayes will be a star of the future. Will help take the pressure of both Rich and Reddan with tags.
Rich started to show what he can do if he can shake tags. He was tagged by Whiley and will face much sterner tests.
Zorko can be used in bursts through the midfield. Great to see him increase his tackling pressure as well. made a great chase and tackle in the 4th quarter.
Docherty continues to improve and should now have sown up a Half back spot.
Agree with Strikes that Golby looked disinterested whether he was effected by the weeks events, a bit out of it coming back from suspension do not know, but Harwood showed a lot more than him on Saturday night. Do not agree with Reddan though it was just that the ball was not following him. He did lay quite a few strong tackles.
We still need a forward presence up front - Whilst Merret played there on Saturday Night he was still double teamed similar to Brown so we need to make sure we have other targets next year. Maybe the new coach will warm to the idea of playing 2 rucks with one a resting forward.
Umpires need to get use of Video review system correct - Whilst no effecting game a kick of the Ground from Merrett clearly missed the behind post and was awarded a point and a Josh Green kick appeared to graze the Goal post but was not referred. Surely in both of these cases there should have been enough doubt to refer.
Lastly after 10 weeks we finally won a free kick count although umps did their best to even it up in last quarter.
blackys been done by the mrp for a hit on ward. i thought it was ash mcgrath but anyway. could of been his last game in brisbane
Yes Strikes could not believe they cited Black out of that - Was a bit far away from the Melee though to see who hit who. Ward was niggling Black all night though.
with black and moloney out with possibly the irishman who comes into the guts for the week, wouldn't mind to see some fresh blood in there with close ? My team for the dogs match
Adcock - MaGuire - Yeo
Harwood - Patful - Golby
Mayes - Polec - Redden
Zorko - Lisle - Close
Green - Merrett - Staker
Berger - Rockliff - Rich
Docherty - Raines - Lester
Bewick
Not a bad team Strikes Like the selection of Close
Would also consider possibly replacing Lester with Longer and trialling the dual rucks. Berger is very agile and a straight kick so would be useful as resting ruckman forward.
I also agree with the team strikes, but where's Hanley? Polec out for him maybe? I also like the inclusion of Close. But I can't really see it happening :(
Surprised that Paparone got the nod over Lisle - Lisle has been the better player in the NEAFL. May still get a call up if Hanley a late out.
Paparone should be the sub right guys? would be harsh making Lester the sub two weeks in a row stressing me out in my BXV prelim lol
Sorry KB Bewick or Lester will be sub imo.
We are still a chance of making the 8 :) if the dons get stripped of points, we beat Geelong and Port beat Carlton, We're in :D
Quote from: nrich102 on August 25, 2013, 08:41:17 PM
We are still a chance of making the 8 :) if the dons get stripped of points, we beat Geelong and Port beat Carlton, We're in :D
highly unlikely you'll beat the Cats at Simonds but it is positive signs for the future at least.
stoked you guys won today, has put me as equal leader of the tipping comp i'm in. good show 8)
But with Geelong unable to improve position unless Sydney beat hawthorn will we see some resting by Cats next week increasing Lions chances.
yeah it might increase your chances a bit but i just can't see it happening. good luck though, it'd be a great win
Sam Michael!!!!!!! Watch him dominate ;)
NO LUCK FOR LIONS
Brisbane can count itself unlucky it didn't pull off the upset of the season at Skilled Stadium.
The big question after the game was: Should Chappy have been pinged?
After a ball-up 12m out from the Lions goal with 20sec left and the visitors trailing by two points, Chapman dived on the loose ball and was immediately set upon by Lions forwards.
He didn't get it out and the ump quickly called for a bounce, although the play seemed to tick all the boxes for holding the ball.
Brisbane was on the wrong end of another questionable call late in the third quarter, when Tom Lonergan was awarded a mark despite coming over the back of Jordan Lisle, who clearly had two mitts around the Sherrin.
Travis Varcoe kicked a brilliant goal from the resulting play to give the Cats a six-point lead.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/if-you-dont-mind-umpire-the-most-controversial-umpiring-calls-of-afl-round-22/story-fndv8os9-1226704162089#ixzz2dicyMLqi
McBurnie called both decisions i'm pretty sure. i'll be filthy if he umps another game in his life.
That was holding the ball every single day of the week if it wasn't in the last minute of a game that would be decided by the decision.
Umpires never pay those ones because they don't have the guts to make an important decision to decide a game, because if they get it wrong, it could cost them.
That decision was an absolute disgrace. Chapman dives on it, drags it in, and umpire pays ball up after 1 second? Clearly the wrong decision.
I had reservations we would be on the receiving end of some bad decisions when McBurnie was named as one of the umpires. We never win a free kick count when McBurnie umpires us and I think it dates back to our three peat,
I do not want McBurnie to ever umpire a Lions game again.
Ringo McBurnie is a crap ump anyway I cringe when I see him named as ump for Eagles games
I was trying to be polite Luv but could use very strong words to describe my opinion of him. He seems to be more interested in getting himself in the Media than making right decisions a real show pony.
Lol
Don't be polite Ringo just let it out I really have the opinion that he doesn't like the non Vic clubs
It's sad when " certain umps, can change results" through pressure or just blatant bad calls. Problem is, it happens way to often. Just imagine (I realise it's impossible ) if every decision was correct, what a different premiership table we'd have
Let's just say that McBurnie is extremely lucky I wasn't able to attend the match on Saturday. He would not have lasted long enough to see the sun go down if I was there.
retiring at seasons end. good
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 02, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Let's just say that McBurnie is extremely lucky I wasn't able to attend the match on Saturday. He would not have lasted long enough to see the sun go down if I was there.
You would have had to stand in line ;) ;)
many times at the Gabba I have wanted to pelt something at him as he left the field but restrained. A couple of times even think the fine would be worth it but being banned as well was the deterrent.
I've disliked McBurney for a long time (ask my wife ;) ). I accept that umpries make mistakes however the thing that annoyed me about him was that he always wanted the game to be about him (like Razor Ray). Always paying soft frees just so everyone knew here was there.
Has Gieschen come out and said the Chapman decision was wrong?
Brown and black to go around again. Fantastic news
Thats great news for you boys. To have those leaders on the park to develop your kids will be huge for another year
Quote from: Ricochet on September 14, 2013, 09:15:53 PM
Thats great news for you boys. To have those leaders on the park to develop your kids will be huge for another year
Now they just need to keep all of those kids as well :P
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 14, 2013, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 14, 2013, 09:15:53 PM
Thats great news for you boys. To have those leaders on the park to develop your kids will be huge for another year
Now they just need to keep all of those kids as well :P
That is true
From what I read it's that they WANT to go another year, not necessarily that they are. Article basically says that it's entirely dependent on the coach (whoever that may be). So if our new coach wants them on the field, they'll play on, if he doesn't, then flower him :P
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-09-14/brown-keen-to-play-on
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 14, 2013, 10:34:12 PM
From what I read it's that they WANT to go another year, not necessarily that they are. Article basically says that it's entirely dependent on the coach (whoever that may be). So if our new coach wants them on the field, they'll play on, if he doesn't, then flower him :P
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-09-14/brown-keen-to-play-on
Lol as if they wouldn't want them to play one more.
Quote from: strikes91 on September 14, 2013, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 14, 2013, 10:34:12 PM
From what I read it's that they WANT to go another year, not necessarily that they are. Article basically says that it's entirely dependent on the coach (whoever that may be). So if our new coach wants them on the field, they'll play on, if he doesn't, then flower him :P
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-09-14/brown-keen-to-play-on
Lol as if they wouldn't want them to play one more.
Yeah, I thought the same. Fantastic servants of the club for years, and they want to go on, why not let them go around once more?
Quote from: NigeyS on September 14, 2013, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 14, 2013, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 14, 2013, 10:34:12 PM
From what I read it's that they WANT to go another year, not necessarily that they are. Article basically says that it's entirely dependent on the coach (whoever that may be). So if our new coach wants them on the field, they'll play on, if he doesn't, then flower him :P
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-09-14/brown-keen-to-play-on
Lol as if they wouldn't want them to play one more.
Yeah, I thought the same. Fantastic servants of the club for years, and they want to go on, why not let them go around once more?
I think Brown will be a certainty to play, but Black's body may not be able to last the season (only played 8 games this year I think?), so I guess there's that small chance that the new coach may decide it's better for Black to not continue in order to give our younger players more games. Of course I would rather that Black plays on as well, but there is that chance.
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From what I read it's that they WANT to go another year, not necessarily that they are. Article basically says that it's entirely dependent on the coach (whoever that may be). So if our new coach wants them on the field, they'll play on, if he doesn't, then flower him :P
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-09-14/brown-keen-to-play-on
Lol as if they wouldn't want them to play one more.
Yeah, I thought the same. Fantastic servants of the club for years, and they want to go on, why not let them go around once more?
I think Brown will be a certainty to play, but Black's body may not be able to last the season (only played 8 games this year I think?), so I guess there's that small chance that the new coach may decide it's better for Black to not continue in order to give our younger players more games. Of course I would rather that Black plays on as well, but there is that chance.
He (Black) may as well play again. Didnt he just have surgery?
Both players have had early clean up surgery in preparation for a possible return next season. Think Brown would be a certainty to play on regardless of who the coach is. Both have a few Personal Goals they still want to achieve and I would love to see both play on for one more year.
Black if he retires will be sounded out to succeed Paul Roos at the Sydney Academy.
If black gets the body right then he is one of our best players still. the matches he played he did really well
The reserves game starts soon. It will be streamed here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j5pFR8ZqI4)
Yeo apparently had a meeting with west coast
Reports today that Yeo has requested a trade out of the club.....
Hopefully we can keep Docherty if that is the case. Yeo was the one out of the 5 who supposedly want out that I really wanted to keep, and thought we could keep. Shame that all this young talent wants to leave. At least we should get some decent compensation if they all end up going.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-19/yeo-wants-to-go
Article stating that Yeo wants out as well.
Tweet from Lions that is encouraging but if Yeo still wants to go home then we should be seeking the best deal for him. Let him go back to WA but we pick the club that gives us the best deal if it be Dockers so be it although he wants eagles. We should not allow these draft picks to nominate club of choice we should play a little bit hard as well.
"National Talent Manager Rob Kerr says despite Elliott Yeo expressing his desire to head home to WA, we regard him as a required player. Kerr said "We value Elliott highly as both a player and a person, and as such, we will be focused on retaining his services."
Same should apply to both Polec, Docherty, Polkinghorne, Longer and Karnezis as well in that we take the best offer for them from Adelaide and Melbourne clubs.
Why not...
Yeo for 1st round pick
Docherty for 1st round pick
Longer for 1st round pick
Karnezis for 1st round pick
We could have 5 first round picks :o
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Why not...
Yeo for 1st round pick
Docherty for 1st round pick
Longer for 1st round pick
Karnezis for 1st round pick
We could have 5 first round picks :o
Picks picks everywhere but not a coach to choose them :P
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Why not...
Yeo for 1st round pick
Docherty for 1st round pick
Longer for 1st round pick
Karnezis for 1st round pick
We could have 5 first round picks :o
Picks picks everywhere but not a coach to choose them :P
Anticipate coach being appointed within next 2 weeks prior to trading period. ;) ;)
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Why not...
Yeo for 1st round pick
Docherty for 1st round pick
Longer for 1st round pick
Karnezis for 1st round pick
We could have 5 first round picks :o
Then just on trade 3 these for say... Daisy, Dusty, Buddy, ...all good... ;D
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Why not...
Yeo for 1st round pick
Docherty for 1st round pick
Longer for 1st round pick
Karnezis for 1st round pick
We could have 5 first round picks :o
While we should get a first round pick for Polec and Longer, I think Yeo, Docherty and Karnezis will only attract second round picks each. Still, they will be valuable and we can probably ontrade a few of them.
Does anyone think we should go after free agent Colin Syliva?
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Why not...
Yeo for 1st round pick
Docherty for 1st round pick
Longer for 1st round pick
Karnezis for 1st round pick
We could have 5 first round picks :o
While we should get a first round pick for Polec and Longer, I think Yeo, Docherty and Karnezis will only attract second round picks each. Still, they will be valuable and we can probably ontrade a few of them.
Does anyone think we should go after free agent Colin Syliva?
Was in the back of my mind BB. Only issue is where would you play him as he is only 186cms so you would be using him to replace Green or Zorko forward. Can not see him fitting in the mids with who we have.
Also I think we should be in the market for Buddy with Longer looking to go to hawthorn. Longer plus 1st Round pick for Buddy I would be happy with. Nice forward line for next year with Brown playing on.
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Why not...
Yeo for 1st round pick
Docherty for 1st round pick
Longer for 1st round pick
Karnezis for 1st round pick
We could have 5 first round picks :o
While we should get a first round pick for Polec and Longer, I think Yeo, Docherty and Karnezis will only attract second round picks each. Still, they will be valuable and we can probably ontrade a few of them.
Does anyone think we should go after free agent Colin Syliva?
Was in the back of my mind BB. Only issue is where would you play him as he is only 186cms so you would be using him to replace Green or Zorko forward. Can not see him fitting in the mids with who we have.
Also I think we should be in the market for Buddy with Longer looking to go to hawthorn. Longer plus 1st Round pick for Buddy I would be happy with. Nice forward line for next year with Brown playing on.
I can't see anyone actually trading to get Buddy. If you wanted him, wouldn't you just get him through free agency? You don't gain anything by trading to get him. Even if you trade, he still has to decide whether or not he wants to go, and if he wants to go to the Giants or the Lions they would just pick him up through free agency free of charge.
Point taken BB forgot he was on the free agency list.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-09-20/afl-lions-board-to-meet
Further developments in the Board Split with the AFL calling a meeting between both parties in an attempt to resolve. Just hope Johnson sees the club as more important than his own ego,
Massive effort from rocky. 21 votes =s a fantastic year
If only he played the whole year in the middle. Well done Rocky you gun :)
Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
Very very tempting
Rocky, Hanners and Danger to fight out 2014 Brownlow would be a great sight,
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
But you run the risk of him doing something stupid and getting suspended for a week.
Why would you put money on someone this early? ???
Better odds ;)
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
But you run the risk of him doing something stupid and getting suspended for a week.
Why would you put money on someone this early? ???
Better odds ;)
True
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
But you run the risk of him doing something stupid and getting suspended for a week.
Yeh but $51... I could see him at $15 for that reason but not $51. Franklin is $26, is the same risk and SJ would poll heaps better than him
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
But you run the risk of him doing something stupid and getting suspended for a week.
Why would you put money on someone this early? ???
You jump on value picks now. Then during the year they should come in shorter, while the favourites push out to better odds. Then you jump on the favourites to cover yourself and you should make a profit no matter what. That is the theory of it anyway. Anything can happen
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
But you run the risk of him doing something stupid and getting suspended for a week.
Yeh but $51... I could see him at $15 for that reason but not $51. Franklin is $26, is the same risk and SJ would poll heaps better than him
Anyone who puts money on Buddy to win the Brownlow is either A. Stupid or B. Knows nothing about the game and Buddy is just a name they've heard before.
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
But you run the risk of him doing something stupid and getting suspended for a week.
Yeh but $51... I could see him at $15 for that reason but not $51. Franklin is $26, is the same risk and SJ would poll heaps better than him
Anyone who puts money on Buddy to win the Brownlow is either A. Stupid or B. Knows nothing about the game and Buddy is just a name they've heard before.
He was only 4 votes off a Brownlow in 2008 :o
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
But you run the risk of him doing something stupid and getting suspended for a week.
Yeh but $51... I could see him at $15 for that reason but not $51. Franklin is $26, is the same risk and SJ would poll heaps better than him
Anyone who puts money on Buddy to win the Brownlow is either A. Stupid or B. Knows nothing about the game and Buddy is just a name they've heard before.
He was only 4 votes off a Brownlow in 2008 :o
Really :o lol. Well he's not as good as he was back then :P
Sneak peak at the 2014 Brownlow night :P
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
nah, had an amazing year and still couldnt win. too many guns at gellong and as of said suspension worry.
For me rocky is a clear number 1 at the club in terms of polling votes.
Also think Cotchin @15.00 is very decent value considering he polled 26 last year and 19 this year when he struggled with a knee injury for 3 quarters of the year, rolled ankle at the start of the year which affected 2 or so games and a subbed game at the end of the year
Do it! :)
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Also think Cotchin @15.00 is very decent value considering he polled 26 last year and 19 this year when he struggled with a knee injury for 3 quarters of the year, rolled ankle at the start of the year which affected 2 or so games and a subbed game at the end of the year
exactly what i thought. Cotchin and Rocky pretty decent odds.
New coach?
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/justin-leppitsch-to-coach-brisbane-lions-20130924-2uba6.html?google_editors_picks=true
We'll miss ya Leppa!
Was always on the cards if we did not get craig first with succession.
Leppitsch sounds like a decent coach. At least he has gone and learnt how to coach being an assistant first unlike Voss.
Also, it appears that Heath Shaw is now on the trade market. Karnezis and Docherty have both expressed interest in moving to Collingwood haven't they? A move north for Shaw would be good I'd think, get him out of the spotlight.
Not sure that I want Shaw at Brisbane but will wait and see. Shaw has only 2 years contract to run at most but would rather get youngsters especially if we are losing Docherty and Yeo. .
Looks like coach announcement will be made in Melbourne tomorrow.
Michael Whiting @AFL_mikewhiting 2h
Few things to sort out yet so Lions will officially announce Leppitsch as coach in Melbourne tomorrow #afl #lions
Board issue still not sorted to date at AFL mediation I hear, so that is why announcement will be possibly in Melbourne
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Sneak peak at the 2014 Brownlow night :P
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HAHAHA YES! ;D
Isn't it sad that Brisbane could beat Freo in the way that they're playing atm.
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Isn't it sad that Brisbane could beat Freo in the way that they're playing atm.
Hey settle down NRich..Freo have been bad but not that bad... ;) ;D
should put a offer in for buddy, is there a thought he may have doubts over signing a 9 year contract ? is that even right
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should put a offer in for buddy, is there a thought he may have doubts over signing a 9 year contract ? is that even right
Offer him a 10 year contract, it'll lure him for sure!
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Roky for 2014 Brownlow!
thinknig of dropping a sneaky $10 at $41.
SJ at $51 ???
nah, had an amazing year and still couldnt win. too many guns at gellong and as of said suspension worry.
For me rocky is a clear number 1 at the club in terms of polling votes.
SJ missed what 6 games throughout the year yet was 3-4 votes off winning.
He would have won if he wasn't so dumb :P
Lions showing interest in Luke McDonald which might force Norf to use their first rounder.
Quote from: NigeyS on October 04, 2013, 10:27:54 AM
Lions showing interest in Luke McDonald which might force Norf to use their first rounder.
You'd expect they would anyway you would've thought. Top 5 pick IMO, very good get at #8.
Would expect West Coast or Brisbane to show interest as he is possibly a Top 10 pick.
Any sign of things settling at the Lions den Ringo? Appears to be a fair bit of coverage about changes there. Is it really as bad as it sounds?
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Would expect West Coast or Brisbane to show interest as he is possibly a Top 10 pick.
Better than that, top 5. The only thing but the clubs with the first 5 picks in this year's draft don't really need him.
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Any sign of things settling at the Lions den Ringo? Appears to be a fair bit of coverage about changes there. Is it really as bad as it sounds?
Like any club in a bit of Turmoil Tdog takes a while to settle - Interesting heard the interview concerning Yeo and it was only when he went home and realised he was missing his mates did he decide to request the transfer. This is what we face in Qld where AFL is the lesser sport as it is not saturation coverage. When you are not winning games go home factor is a real issue and that is something we have to work at.
Hopefully last piece of jigsaw wil be sorted when board issue is resolved in the next week,
Trade Radio @traderadio 1m
BREAKING: Luke MGuane has walked out of Richmond in the hope of joining the Lions as an unrestricted free agent (via @AFL_Nick)
Some are saying Brissie have been chasing McGuane for a while
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Some are saying Brissie have been chasing McGuane for a while
They have, he was linked with a move home for the past two seasons I do believe.
Finally some good news on the young players front with Justin Clarke about to sign a 3 year deal. Probably thought with Yeo and possibly Docherty gone will get a lot more opportunities. Looked good down back in games played prior to his injury and has that bit of aggression. Really pleased,
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-04/lion-clarke-to-buck-trend
Regarding McGuane he was always a possibility of returning home. His father lost the sight in his eye in a work place incident a year or so ago so that would have helped sway the decision. Do not mind this either especially as a free agent meaning it is not costing us. Will be an ideal replacement for Karnezis.
So it looks like we will be getting McGuane. I think he plays as a decent second or third tall forward, so he could fit in well.
Also reports that we are going after Shane Savage, and that he could be involved in a deal with Billy Longer. Do we really need another small forward though? I think we have enough already with Zorko, Green, Banfield and McGrath.
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So it looks like we will be getting McGuane. I think he plays as a decent second or third tall forward, so he could fit in well.
Also reports that we are going after Shane Savage, and that he could be involved in a deal with Billy Longer. Do we really need another small forward though? I think we have enough already with Zorko, Green, Banfield and McGrath.
Savage plays as a mid as well.
And let's be honest, Ash McGrath probably only has a year or two at the most left in him and Banfield's not that good. :P
Agree KB Savage would be an overkill although hearing rumours Banfield may want to go to WA. McGrath may revert to the running defender role again if we lose both Docherty and Yeo so Savage may add a little depth but can not see him in our best 22 atm.
Little surprised we nominated Johnathan Freeman as our academy list rather than Archie Smith given we may lose Longer.
Assuming we lose all the go home players this would be my best 22 not allowing for trades yet to be made
Merrett Maguire Patfull
Golby Clarke Adcock
Rich Rockliff Hanley
Green Mayes Zorko
Lisle Brown McGuane
Berger Reddan Moloney
Martin Black/Harwood Raines Beams/McGrath
Paparone, Bewick, Lester, Michael Close and Nick Hayes also possible bench players, Staker will also come in if he stays which is more than likely and would take McGuanes place. Martin is named as ruck back up and hoping he can find form with reduction of interchange. Close has really been impressive and would deserve a chance if Black retires. Can not split Beams or McGrath for final bench spot.If we target Savage would be looking at bench position at best in our 22.
Edited to reflect Adcock our Captain who I forgot :-[ :-[
Oi, hands off Savage Brissie boys ;)
What are the chances of Blacky retiring fellas?
I hope and reckon he'll get one final year under old mate Leppa.
If he still has the desire to play and fits in with Leppas plans can see him playing games next year. He has also indicated he wants to take on a coaching role when he finishes playing but whether that is in Brisbane or WA remains to be seen.
That 22 looks decent. Hopefully we can add to it with a couple more players or picks that we get from trading.
I disagree with some of the selections you have there Ringo. This is how I see it
Clarke Merrett Patfull
Golby Maguire Adcock
Rich Rockliff Hanley
Green Mayes Zorko
Lisle Brown McGuane
Berger Reddan Moloney
Michael Black Raines Beams/McGrath/Paparone/Harwood/Staker (would rather Beams/Harwood)
I think Close is still a year off, his numbers in the NEAFL were quite low. Surprised you forgot about Adcock :P
Missed Adcock all together (was at top of list starting with A but off the screen) Adcock instead of Harwood obviously in that team.
Know you have a man crush on Sammy but he still has a bit of filling out to do imo so maybe still a year off to get a full season. Seen a couple of NEAFL games as well and he really needs to polish up his kicking as well. With Longer going though may develop more quickly, That is why I had Martin over him at this stage obviously it is Longer if we can retain him.
have also amended team post to reflect Adcock
I see what your getting at ringo, but I dont like Martin. Would rather Staker/Paparone in the team.
I don't think we will see all of Brown, McGuane, Lisle, Staker and Martin/Michael in a team.
Staker is all set to stay as well from what I have read. Apparently Carlton have seen that he is a required player at Brisbane and don't really want to trade for him. So we will be keeping Staker.
I think the 22 will look something like this
Clarke Merrett Patfull
Golby Maguire Adcock
Rich Rockliff Hanley
Mayes Lisle/Martin Zorko
Green Brown McGuane
Berger Reddan Moloney
Staker Black Raines Beams
I also think Michael is still a year or two off being ready for a full AFL season. Lisle or Martin are left to play second ruck if we go with this, which means that Berger will have to spend just about the full game in the ruck. That's why we should have played Longer more and used the two ruckmen like Nic Nat and Cox. Berger is a good mark and can play well up forward, I hope he can get down there a bit more.
Sauce can also pinch hit in the ruck. Agree 100% on your comments on Longer BB and I have said on numerous occasions that Voss should have persevered with the Berger/Longer combo especially as there was talk of the capped interchange early in the season. The 2 games they played together Berger presented an alternative Marking option up front and duly converted, Is an extremely accurate kick for goal as well unlike Longer or Michael. maybe if Voss had done this we would still have Longer.
Reports that Polkinghorne is having a change of heart and may stay.
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OFFICIAL: Brisbane has taken Johnathan Freeman as an Academy pick with its rd4 pick (currently 59). Matched Adelaide's rd3 bid (42)
:D Freeman Is Ours :D
Interesting that Adelaide would bid the first legitimate draft selection in pick 42 for freeman though. Happy that he is staying and no doubt we will have additional picks prior to 59 anyway when trade period ends.
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Reports that Polkinghorne is having a change of heart and may stay.
If he does stay, I hope he gets game time. Think he fell out of favour with Vossy.
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Reports that Polkinghorne is having a change of heart and may stay.
If he does stay, I hope he gets game time. Think he fell out of favour with Vossy.
He was one of Vossys pets though Nigey and was probably played longer than he should have. Mayes virtually replaced him when Voss finally dropped him and we know what Mayes did. Has not really reached full potential and will be hard to see him playing games with Brisbanes Midfield depth - Bench spot at best. And with Zorko and Green small forawrds can not see him breaking in there either,
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Reports that Polkinghorne is having a change of heart and may stay.
If he does stay, I hope he gets game time. Think he fell out of favour with Vossy.
He was one of Vossys pets though Nigey and was probably played longer than he should have. Mayes virtually replaced him when Voss finally dropped him and we know what Mayes did. Has not really reached full potential and will be hard to see him playing games with Brisbanes Midfield depth - Bench spot at best. And with Zorko and Green small forawrds can not see him breaking in there either,
If that's the case, please find a new home Polka!
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Reports that Polkinghorne is having a change of heart and may stay.
If he does stay, I hope he gets game time. Think he fell out of favour with Vossy.
He was one of Vossys pets though Nigey and was probably played longer than he should have. Mayes virtually replaced him when Voss finally dropped him and we know what Mayes did. Has not really reached full potential and will be hard to see him playing games with Brisbanes Midfield depth - Bench spot at best. And with Zorko and Green small forawrds can not see him breaking in there either,
If that's the case, please find a new home Polka!
Just my opinion though Nigey.
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Reports that Polkinghorne is having a change of heart and may stay.
If he does stay, I hope he gets game time. Think he fell out of favour with Vossy.
He was one of Vossys pets though Nigey and was probably played longer than he should have. Mayes virtually replaced him when Voss finally dropped him and we know what Mayes did. Has not really reached full potential and will be hard to see him playing games with Brisbanes Midfield depth - Bench spot at best. And with Zorko and Green small forawrds can not see him breaking in there either,
If that's the case, please find a new home Polka!
Just my opinion though Nigey.
Fair enough, hopefully Leppa can find a place for him. Has talent.
Brissie talking to Hawks about Longer later this arvo. Expecting Hawk's first pick and something else
Was interesting listening to Kerr on Trade Radio. Also on what is required for Yeo as well leaving door open to Freo as well.
Summarising Kerrs Longer 1st Round Pick, with 2nd Round Picks for Yeo, Docherty, Polec, Karnezis,
Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2013, 02:31:13 PM
Brissie talking to Hawks about Longer later this arvo. Expecting Hawk's first pick and something else
You'd think that since they're getting the Buddy compo pick that they will part with one of those two picks for Longer.
Carlton and Bulldogs leading candidates for Docherty
Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
Carlton and Bulldogs leading candidates for Docherty
Did nominate Carlton as his club of choice I think though.
This is why Brisbane is screwed a little If we can not come to agreement with Carlton Docherty will go to the Draft and will be picked up by Bulldogs for nothing. So we need to try and get what we can for him.
Might be a problem if the Lions are playing hardball to get what they think all of their departing youngsters are worth. :-X
Just depends whether they are willing to go into the draft or not. So if they do not we hold the upper hand but if they do then they hold the upper hand. Hope we re not going to be overly stupid but at the same time get the best picks or players for them.
I will use Yeo as an example because he nominated West Coast we negotiated with West coast and their first offer is a third round pick which has been rightfully rejected as insulting. Freo have now entered the fray with a better off so he may have to go to freo if he wants to return home but if West coast now offer their second round pick will be accepted.
Just remember Longer, Yeo and Docherty were all early picks when drafted so we need some return despite the go home factor.
Hey Ringo...a comment on SEN tonight that the pies Harry O is looking at going to the Lions..have you heard anything?
Have not heard anything like that one. Kerr also said he would be looking for players or picks. An interesting suggestion but just wonder where he would fit in or back six - Merrett, Clarke, Patful, Golby, Adcock, Maguire. Maybe may push Maguire out to bench but we still have Harwood there as well. Do not know what the offer would be possibly Karnezis + something for him especially as karnezis has nominated Pies.
Watch this space I suppose.
Harry played on the wing all year...
Interesting Golby has been doing that role with Hanley so will he replace either of those 2 interesting days ahead me thinks.
http://www.triplem.com.au/brisbane/sport/afl/news/2013/10/simon-black-to-retire-and-head-to-sydney-swans/
A source deep inside the Brisbane Lions has told Triple M Brisbane Simon Black will not play on in 2014.
The station also believes Black will take on an assistant coaching role at the Sydney Swans under John Longmire.
I hope this source is wrong. :(
Quote from: Ricochet on October 10, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
http://www.triplem.com.au/brisbane/sport/afl/news/2013/10/simon-black-to-retire-and-head-to-sydney-swans/
A source deep inside the Brisbane Lions has told Triple M Brisbane Simon Black will not play on in 2014.
The station also believes Black will take on an assistant coaching role at the Sydney Swans under John Longmire.
Blackie is really agonising over this decision and has promised an answer within a week. He will be guided by medicl opinion and his body which is showing wear and tear. If he does retire would like to see him in a coaching role at Lions as well. Black has always expressed the desire to get into coaching after retiring and imo will be a much better coach than Voss.
Well with the Hawks getting McEvoy, will they still be going after Longer?
Quote from: BB67th on October 10, 2013, 04:15:05 PM
Well with the Hawks getting McEvoy, will they still be going after Longer?
Cant see Longer now choosing the Hawks.
Best result for Brisbane. Longer should probably re-sign.
Obviously best result is for Longer to stay but do not mind this trade though that is rumoured Longer for Jarrad Grant from Bulldogs. Grant is only 24 and would give a second option up front. Bulldogs believed to be contacting Longer or his manager.
Quote from: Ringo on October 10, 2013, 12:36:45 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 10, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
http://www.triplem.com.au/brisbane/sport/afl/news/2013/10/simon-black-to-retire-and-head-to-sydney-swans/
A source deep inside the Brisbane Lions has told Triple M Brisbane Simon Black will not play on in 2014.
The station also believes Black will take on an assistant coaching role at the Sydney Swans under John Longmire.
Blackie is really agonising over this decision and has promised an answer within a week. He will be guided by medicl opinion and his body which is showing wear and tear. If he does retire would like to see him in a coaching role at Lions as well. Black has always expressed the desire to get into coaching after retiring and imo will be a much better coach than Voss.
As a person Black would suit the Swans team. Midfield coach has just left as well........
That does not seem to be a fair straight swap deal to me. Maybe something like Grant + Second round pick?
Quote from: BB67th on October 10, 2013, 04:24:21 PM
That does not seem to be a fair straight swap deal to me. Maybe something like Grant + Second round pick?
Wow you guys really are overrating Longer....
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 10, 2013, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 10, 2013, 04:24:21 PM
That does not seem to be a fair straight swap deal to me. Maybe something like Grant + Second round pick?
Wow you guys really are overrating Longer....
Thats for docherty
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 10, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 10, 2013, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 10, 2013, 04:24:21 PM
That does not seem to be a fair straight swap deal to me. Maybe something like Grant + Second round pick?
Wow you guys really are overrating Longer....
Thats for docherty
Docherty seems pretty set on going to Carlton. There is also some talk now that McEvoy has gone to Hawthorn, that Longer might want to go to the Dogs instead.
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Quote from: BB67th on October 10, 2013, 04:24:21 PM
That does not seem to be a fair straight swap deal to me. Maybe something like Grant + Second round pick?
Wow you guys really are overrating Longer....
Thats for docherty
Docherty seems pretty set on going to Carlton. There is also some talk now that McEvoy has gone to Hawthorn, that Longer might want to go to the Dogs instead.
So were you suggesting that Longer for Grant isnt a straight swap that Dogs should throw in 2nd round?
Oh guess Billy is getting desperate :P Grants a spud though, theres a reason the team most in need of a key forward is trading a key forward away ;)
Disagree on Grant JB - Had a great second half to the season and finally finding his feet, An ideal fit for us if a trade can b worked involving either Docherty or Longer.
Good luck with him then ;)
Imo you'd be better off hoping the Armitage for Longer rumor is true
Imo we do not need any more mids we need forwards to assist Brownie while Paporone and Close continue to develop.
Looks like leppitsch will play the two ruckmen. so if billy stays he has a place in the team
Quote from: Ricochet on October 10, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
http://www.triplem.com.au/brisbane/sport/afl/news/2013/10/simon-black-to-retire-and-head-to-sydney-swans/
A source deep inside the Brisbane Lions has told Triple M Brisbane Simon Black will not play on in 2014.
The station also believes Black will take on an assistant coaching role at the Sydney Swans under John Longmire.
This has now been refuted by both Black and Lions.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-10-10/black-rumours-unfounded
The deadline for making a date for the EGM has passed already has it not? Why has one not been announced? The rules of the constitution are pretty clear cut regarding the matter, a meeting should be confirmed by now.
Really, to me, it is just proof that Johnson knows his time will be up at the meeting and he seems to be trying to hide behind lawyers and keep his throne for as long as possible. He is causing a lot of damage to the club at the moment. I don't know many members that would still be happy with him in charge.
Quote from: BB67th on October 10, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
The deadline for making a date for the EGM has passed already has it not? Why has one not been announced? The rules of the constitution are pretty clear cut regarding the matter, a meeting should be confirmed by now.
Really, to me, it is just proof that Johnson knows his time will be up at the meeting and he seems to be trying to hide behind lawyers and keep his throne for as long as possible. He is causing a lot of damage to the club at the moment. I don't know many members that would still be happy with him in charge.
Yes BB deadline was last Friday. so club is in breach of constitution as it stands. There is also Legal opinion obtained by the Lions Roar supporters group counteracting the Legal advice regarding Life members so we wait outcomes. The latest development is that Matthews has agreed to be removed from the ticket but should Power be elected to CEO position then Matthews will be appointed to a specialist position within the club.
It is a messy situation and tbh I am totally disappointed at the lack of respect shown to Life Members. (I suspect some may have voted in the past anyway).
I was going to not renew my membership but received a tweet from Leigh saying that not renewing will really effect Leppa and the boys so will be renewing for that basis.
Probably for the first time will be attending the EGM or AGM and exercising my right to a vote. It is a messy situation which needs sorting out quickly and time for egos to be put aside for the betterment of the club.
Exactly right Ringo. I hope we don't lose many members out of this, because eventually Johnson will be gone. Only a matter of time really.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-11/lions-chairman-fires-back
More arrogance from the Chairman saying he has always acted in the interests of the club - Call the meeting Angus so we can give you your just deserts,
Just a couple of things you have done with the board that imo are not in the best interests of the club
Change the Lion Logo on the guernseys
Sacked Voss with just 3 games to go with no coach in waiting. (If Roos was to be it you really botched it)
Moved the club outside the Brisbane are to Springfield in the Ipswich City Council area making a very long trip for members to now attend training and functions. (Was this just to get Sharples as the latest board member),
Also the agressive write down of the Springwood Social Club Assets in the Balance Sheet is adversely effecting P & L. (Whilst Legal to do so we should be working on the minimum allowed while our position is not strong)
All this and uncontracted players.....really needs to be fixed quickly Ringo. ( stating the bleeding obvious..I know ).
How bad will it go if the AFL step in and put in its own board do you think?.
Is there anything on the horizon that can fix this quickly?
Angus pushing his case for the AFL's biggest flog. He's in good company too. Andy D, Adrian Dodoro... the list goes on.
Quote from: T Dog on October 11, 2013, 10:43:36 AM
All this and uncontracted players.....really needs to be fixed quickly Ringo. ( stating the bleeding obvious..I know ).
How bad will it go if the AFL step in and put in its own board do you think?.
Is there anything on the horizon that can fix this quickly?
2 things that will fix it EGM called as quickly as possible. EGM to amend constitution allowing Life members to become directors to be passed first and then endorse the oppossing ticket which allows both Matthews and Thornton as directors of the club. We would probably be the only club where none of the directors have any football experience.
Think the AFL needs to step in if not resolved in 2 weeks.
L fighting hard on playing hard ball with former #5 draftee, Could take two more weeks ::)
Quote from: NigeyS on October 11, 2013, 10:46:38 AM
Angus pushing his case for the AFL's biggest flog. He's in good company too. Andy D, Adrian Dodoro... the list goes on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGrfOTEnRFE ;D
just read it could be a direct swap with Polec to adelaide and wright to brisbane.
Quote from: strikes91 on October 15, 2013, 08:38:26 AM
just read it could be a direct swap with Polec to adelaide and wright to brisbane.
Just read that one too - We will be replacing a 21 year old 188cm midfielder with a 24 year old 178 cm midfielder forward so we may be losing a bit but need to get what we can. Will be a depth player for us and will aid in competition for places.
Quote from: Ringo on October 15, 2013, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on October 15, 2013, 08:38:26 AM
just read it could be a direct swap with Polec to adelaide and wright to brisbane.
Just read that one too - We will be replacing a 21 year old 188cm midfielder with a 24 year old 178 cm midfielder forward so we may be losing a bit but need to get what we can. Will be a depth player for us and will aid in competition for places.
I rate Wright really highly. Not sure why he fell out of favour a bit this year and was given tagging roles, but let him roam around either following the ball or in the forward 50 and he is dangerous.
Midfielder/forward :o Don't think we got any of em :P :o
Not sure where to post this: Rockliff's controversial tweet:
(Here's a screenshot, source @hcdc93)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWr9jAFIUAAMH6m.jpg)
Fukk yeah Rocky, ya champ! Hahaha!
Great form Rocky!
Hahaha that's gold.
Love it, Rockstar!
Seen them yesterday. There is some speculation his account may have been hacked. Am aware though there a some players unhappy with these go home boys selecting clubs.
Could have been ignited as well by article in the Courier mail yesterday on this citing Matthews calling Shane O'Bree a traitor when he went back to Melbourne.
Can anything else go off the rails up there Ringo? :-\
I thought it was an interesting tweet to say the least.
He's voiced his mind a bit on Twitter (like most people, other AFL lads included... Brock McLean anyone? :P), but yeah, it was funny.
at least Mclean's tweets are structurally coherent though :P
Quote from: Ziplock on October 17, 2013, 12:13:14 PM
at least Mclean's tweets are structurally coherent though :P
This is true.
Quote from: T Dog on October 17, 2013, 09:17:03 AM
Can anything else go off the rails up there Ringo? :-\
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-17/where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-the-lions
This is a well written article by Michael Whiting analysing the Lions. (So our problems stem back to Eddie for getting our concessions removed ;D ;D not really but the start of the problems)
Hope 13th November EGM will resolve most of field issues. Unfortunately I will not be able to attend as I will be in NZ but will lodging proxies. Am anticipating the biggest attendance at a General Meeting yet given the anger that exists to the Board at the moment amongst members.
Yes Tdog we appear a basket case at the moment but hopefully the light that is starting to appear is not a big on coming train ;) ;)
Edit: Just realised link to actual article did not come accross so added it.
Quote from: Ringo on October 17, 2013, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: T Dog on October 17, 2013, 09:17:03 AM
Can anything else go off the rails up there Ringo? :-\
This is a well written article by Michael Whiting analysing the Lions. (So our problems stem back to Eddie for getting our concessions removed ;D ;D not really but the start of the problems)
Hope 13th November EGM will resolve most of field issues. Unfortunately I will not be able to attend as I will be in NZ but will lodging proxies. Am anticipating the biggest attendance at a General Meeting yet given the anger that exists to the Board at the moment amongst members.
Yes Tdog we appear a basket case at the moment but hopefully the light that is starting to appear is not a big on coming train ;) ;)
You'll be right mate once all the dust has settled.
ABC saying Simon Black will retire today :( :'(
Quote from: nrich102 on October 18, 2013, 07:48:08 AM
ABC saying Simon Black will retire today :( :'(
Speculation probably correct and we wait for press conference this morning with Leppa.
Conference scheduled for 9:15am Qld Real Time (10:15 Rubbish time in other Eastern states) this morning and will be a live stream on Lions site.
Great news for Brisbane fans, with forward James Polkinghorne deciding to stay at the GABBA despite requesting a trade back to Victoria.
- herald sun
Patrick Karnezis is likely to be picked up by Collingwood in the pre-season draft with the Magpies making little effort to get a deal done with Brisbane.
- Herald Sun
BREAKING
Billy Longer has told Brisbane that he wishes to be traded to St Kilda.
Adelaide has conceded Port is the favourite to trade in homesick Lion Jared Polec but has warned the Crows will swoop on him in the pre-season draft if the Power and Brisbane can't get a deal done.
- Herald Sun
hope karnezis ends up at gws
Pick 19 for Longer is pretty fair I reckon. Originally a pick 8, with a couple of years experience
Think it may take a couple of days to sort out involving exchange of picks as we are seeking a higher draft pick. IMO anything less than 14 is reasonable for Longer. Bottom line is with St Kilda now being his nominated choice of clubs (Hate players who change their minds to suit and this is probably reason he will not be welcome at Brisbane now) we have to get the best deal for him as Saints will obviously get him in the PSD.,
What does this exodus mean for you guys in drafting now? Heading into the national draft do you think you'll look at getting home-made talent or will you still be able to draft interstate boys confidently?
EDIT: Just had a look at where this year's draft crop is from and there is literally no Queensland boys there... Makes it a bit hard for you guys looking at that. :-[
Yeah, there's a real lack of Queensland lads in this draft pool. They'll have to grab a VIC (most likely) and hope he's happy to stay there for the long haul.
We Want Archie Smith!!
With all the picks you're getting for guys like Karnezis and Longer, I'm sure you'll nab him. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on October 21, 2013, 01:59:30 PM
With all the picks you're getting for guys like Karnezis and Longer, I'm sure you'll nab him. :P
Is he even going to the draft? There was some word we'd take him through the academy, but we took Jono Freeman instead :)
Quote from: nrich102 on October 21, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on October 21, 2013, 01:59:30 PM
With all the picks you're getting for guys like Karnezis and Longer, I'm sure you'll nab him. :P
Is he even going to the draft? There was some word we'd take him through the academy, but we took Jono Freeman instead :)
Not sure tbh.
What's actually happening with Karny? Haven't heard a thing about him.
I know we were interested last year but I dunno if we could give him much opportunity with our forwards shaping up as they are...
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Quote from: nrich102 on October 21, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on October 21, 2013, 01:59:30 PM
With all the picks you're getting for guys like Karnezis and Longer, I'm sure you'll nab him. :P
Is he even going to the draft? There was some word we'd take him through the academy, but we took Jono Freeman instead :)
Not sure tbh.
Archie Smith will be in the draft - He went to the combine and was on of the top performers in the vertical leap tests - (Best vertical leap of left leg which may have some of the scouts looking at him). We are only allowed one academy selection and nominated Johnathan Freeman which we will take with our 5th round pick after Adelaide indicated they would take him with their pick. I am hoping we take him especially with losing Longer.
Quote from: Toga on October 21, 2013, 02:25:00 PM
What's actually happening with Karny? Haven't heard a thing about him.
I know we were interested last year but I dunno if we could give him much opportunity with our forwards shaping up as they are...
Think Brisbane once they sort out picks for Yeo, Longer, Docherty and Polec will try and package Karnezis and a pick for a player. May be wrong but that is how I am reading it. Pies still reportedly interested in him. I would entertain a straight swap with Keefe allowing Keefe to return to Qld (Homesickness in reverse)
Quote from: Ringo on October 21, 2013, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Toga on October 21, 2013, 02:25:00 PM
What's actually happening with Karny? Haven't heard a thing about him.
I know we were interested last year but I dunno if we could give him much opportunity with our forwards shaping up as they are...
Think Brisbane once they sort out picks for Yeo, Longer, Docherty and Polec will try and package Karnezis and a pick for a player. May be wrong but that is how I am reading it. Pies still reportedly interested in him. I would entertain a straight swap with Keefe allowing Keefe to return to Qld (Homesickness in reverse)
Almost certain I read something this morning about Karny being traded for a pick (can't remember which one).
Found it.
The Age are reporting that Patrick Karnezis will be traded to Collingwood for either 49 or 67.
- AFL Draft, Trade, Free Agency, List and General News
Dunno why he'd wanna go to Collingwood though TBH... Don't see him getting too much more opportunity there..
Kerr made it clear he was not interested in Lower picks so maybe further negotiations will need to take place imo. He wants high picks or players which I suspect Karny maybe a package. Karny will not want to walk to PSD wher he will be at mercy of other clubs but in saying that need to get best tennancy we can for him.
Quote from: Toga on October 21, 2013, 02:41:08 PM
Dunno why he'd wanna go to Collingwood though TBH... Don't see him getting too much more opportunity there..
Yeah, I doubt he will get too many games there.
I don't think anyone else is too interested in him though.
He'd probably get more game time at the Lions, but he wants to go home... so eh.
Quote from: Ringo on October 21, 2013, 02:42:35 PM
Kerr made it clear he was not interested in Lower picks so maybe further negotiations will need to take place imo. He wants high picks or players which I suspect Karny maybe a package.
I know the Lions want higher picks, and have every right to feel hard done by... but if they don't accept the deals, regardless of the picks they're receiving, their players could just enter the PSD.
Agree Nigey but just saying we need the best offer we possibly can for him. Unlike Longer Karny is sticking with Pies as his preferred club so we just have to get the best offer possible from Pies.
With the departure of Dale Thomas, the Pies have a spot for a hard running outside mid. Dwyer can fill this position but if Karny can get his act together he might get a gig. His value has dropped significantly since being drafted so I can't see the Lions getting anything more than #49 for him.
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Quote from: nrich102 on October 21, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on October 21, 2013, 01:59:30 PM
With all the picks you're getting for guys like Karnezis and Longer, I'm sure you'll nab him. :P
Is he even going to the draft? There was some word we'd take him through the academy, but we took Jono Freeman instead :)
Not sure tbh.
Archie Smith will be in the draft - He went to the combine and was on of the top performers in the vertical leap tests - (Best vertical leap of left leg which may have some of the scouts looking at him). We are only allowed one academy selection and nominated Johnathan Freeman which we will take with our 5th round pick after Adelaide indicated they would take him with their pick. I am hoping we take him especially with losing Longer.
Here he is - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/archie-smith (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/archie-smith)
collingwood traded pick 49, might have to pinch their 44
Come on! Docherty deal taking ages :P
Seal it!
I think Brisbane is still wondering where it's all gone wrong
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 21, 2013, 08:07:40 PM
I think Brisbane is still wondering where it's all gone wrong
probably started when they got in Big Fev.... ::)
Quote from: T Dog on October 21, 2013, 08:13:36 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 21, 2013, 08:07:40 PM
I think Brisbane is still wondering where it's all gone wrong
probably started when they got in Big Fev.... ::)
Really started in 2003 when Eddie succeeded in getting rid of Brisbanes extra concessions so we were unable to offer the contracts we had similar to what Sydney, GC and Suns have had all the time. Fevola incident did not help and we paid for it as well. Just when we started to get benefits from the picks the go home factor surfaces which was not helped by coaching and off field issues.
Think we can come out of it though similar to what Port have done.
Hey! Fev is a legend. :P
The AFL website is suggesting that North Melbourne could potentially hijack Collingwood's bid to secure wantaway Brisbane midfielder Patrick Karnezis.
The AFL website suggests that North Melbourne has offered pick 47 for Karnezis to the Brisbane Lions with Collingwood's offer said to be pick 67.
Bet Collingwood feel a bit silly for trading all their middle tier picks away :P
Quote from: elephants on October 22, 2013, 02:57:26 PM
Bet Collingwood feel a bit silly for trading all their middle tier picks away :P
I think collingwood are still very happy with their work this trade period
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Quote from: elephants on October 22, 2013, 02:57:26 PM
Bet Collingwood feel a bit silly for trading all their middle tier picks away :P
I think collingwood are still very happy with their work this trade period
Sure, but Karny with 67 would have topped it all off!
Karyn for 67 >:( :'( He's worth far more than that.
heard we have Hawthorn in tassie round 1
Quote from: NigeyS on October 22, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
The AFL website is suggesting that North Melbourne could potentially hijack Collingwood's bid to secure wantaway Brisbane midfielder Patrick Karnezis.
The AFL website suggests that North Melbourne has offered pick 47 for Karnezis to the Brisbane Lions with Collingwood's offer said to be pick 67.
I'd take it. Don't know a whole lot about Karnezis I will admit, not having Foxtel means I don't get to see many lions games.
Quote from: roo boys! on October 23, 2013, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on October 22, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
The AFL website is suggesting that North Melbourne could potentially hijack Collingwood's bid to secure wantaway Brisbane midfielder Patrick Karnezis.
The AFL website suggests that North Melbourne has offered pick 47 for Karnezis to the Brisbane Lions with Collingwood's offer said to be pick 67.
I'd take it. Don't know a whole lot about Karnezis I will admit, not having Foxtel means I don't get to see many lions games.
Not sure what role he plays but it doesn't sound good for Harper.
Polec officially gone to Port
Quote from: Ricochet on October 24, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
Polec officially gone to Port
Sad, sad day :'( Yet again ripped off :'(
We give up Polec and 29 and get 22 and 34 in return. Horrible deal.....
Polec deal is pathetic
Quote from: strikes91 on October 24, 2013, 05:37:34 PM
Polec deal is pathetic
That deal makes my head hurt!! :o
AFL @AFL 33s
The @brisbanelions have traded Elliott Yeo to @westcoasteagles in exchange for pick 28. #tradedebate
Meh. Not as bad as the other ones
Quote from: nrich102 on October 24, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
AFL @AFL 33s
The @brisbanelions have traded Elliott Yeo to @westcoasteagles in exchange for pick 28. #tradedebate
Meh. Not as bad as the other ones
probably fair. dochertys is a rort and polecs is embarrassing for the lions
frankly, this is why brisbane had those concessions 10 years ago... not really for the cost of living, but because there are few afl players you can get from QL, living on the opposite side of the country is a killer for a lot of kids, so you have all these first round draft picks leaving to go home, but nobody from QL coming back home to the lions.
let's face it, if brisbane had been able to offer like longer, docherty, polec 200k+ more than what they could currently offer, they'd probably still be there, going home only factors in so much.
Quote from: Ziplock on October 24, 2013, 06:00:13 PM
frankly, this is why brisbane had those concessions 10 years ago... not really for the cost of living, but because there are few afl players you can get from QL, living on the opposite side of the country is a killer for a lot of kids, so you have all these first round draft picks leaving to go home, but nobody from QL coming back home to the lions.
let's face it, if brisbane had been able to offer like longer, docherty, polec 200k+ more than what they could currently offer, they'd probably still be there, going home only factors in so much.
Well said Zip and I agree - Strange that Swans still have the concession though whereas we do not. That may change now after the Buddy Deal.
Eddie making the same noises as he did with Brisbane causing us to lose concessions. Firmly believe all clubs in Qld and NSW should have the cap concession because as you would know Zip AFL is a fair distant of the other codes in NSW and Qld.
Regarding the go home factor and the trades done know we are getting screwed and other clubs know this so we are much better with the picks that are offered rather than losing player for nothing/
Do not why Port just did not offer us pick 14 for Polec as really the exchange of other picks is not much different.
If I was to survey my school, most people would not have AFL as there #1 sport, as having the Cowboys makes League so much more popular. Brisbane wasn't much different, even though the Lions are there.
the Swans have the concessions because of the massive difference in the cost of living between sydney and every other australian city. Which I stand by ftr.
The sydney clubs have the cost of living cap, which is adequate, but I really think that the queensland clubs should be getting some concession as well... not that I really know what you would call it....
'please stay here' salary concession? :P
Have heard that Ace Cornelius has also been de-listed by the Lions. Should be picked up by another club though.
Quote from: Ringo on October 24, 2013, 06:26:59 PM
Have heard that Ace Cornelius has also been de-listed by the Lions. Should be picked up by another club though.
Would be behind Lisle, Close, Bourke, McGuane and Paparone I think.
Quote from: BB67th on October 24, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
We give up Polec and 29 and get 22 and 34 in return. Horrible deal.....
Oh wow, big win by Port there, keeping their top 20 pick :o. Guessing Lions have to make do seeing a lot of those youngsters are leaving :(.
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 24, 2013, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 24, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
We give up Polec and 29 and get 22 and 34 in return. Horrible deal.....
Oh wow, big win by Port there, keeping their top 20 pick :o. Guessing Lions have to make do seeing a lot of those youngsters are leaving :(.
Unfortunately HP this is why I think GWS were involved as Port would not do 14 for Polec.
If you guys get concessions though, I'm sure Adelaide would be making noises saying they'd want a higher salary cap as well :-[
Adelaide is a football state though, they wouldn't need the extra cap room?
Quote from: BB67th on October 24, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Adelaide is a football state though, they wouldn't need the extra cap room?
^ basically
adelaide/ port have players coming home... so they lose players, but then they get talented players coming back in, something the nsw/ ql teams dont get
Quote from: Ziplock on October 24, 2013, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 24, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Adelaide is a football state though, they wouldn't need the extra cap room?
^ basically
adelaide/ port have players coming home... so they lose players, but then they get talented players coming back in, something the nsw/ ql teams dont get
+1 How many local players are in the relative teams from NSW and Qld compared to other states.
Maybe call it a promotional allowance for those 4 teams and create rules for use.
we get zone selections, atm though, if I was to hazard a guess, I'd say the giants only had maybe 4 players from nsw on our list atm.
I'll look it up though
Do you still get the zone selections Zip I think I remember reading this was the last year but maybe only for Swans and Lions being the 2 established teams.
Quote from: nrich102 on October 24, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
AFL @AFL 33s
The @brisbanelions have traded Elliott Yeo to @westcoasteagles in exchange for pick 28. #tradedebate
Meh. Not as bad as the other ones
Probably could have got him cheaper but I feel too sorry for BL to be annoyed with them haha :(
Quote from: Ringo on October 24, 2013, 06:26:59 PM
Have heard that Ace Cornelius has also been de-listed by the Lions. Should be picked up by another club though.
Wow, I rate him :o
Yeah sucks for Brissy fans :( Would be tough for any club.
Quote from: Ziplock on October 24, 2013, 07:59:23 PM
we get zone selections, atm though, if I was to hazard a guess, I'd say the giants only had maybe 4 players from nsw on our list atm.
I'll look it up though
yeah, so we have hampton, who we got from our NT zone selection, who doesn't really have the same go home factor, then our nsw players are Miles, Townsend and Schulz
Quote from: Ringo on October 24, 2013, 08:01:54 PM
Do you still get the zone selections Zip I think I remember reading this was the last year but maybe only for Swans and Lions being the 2 established teams.
yeah, I'm pretty sure we still get zone selection- like anderson and neade were our nt zone selections this year that we traded.
Brisbnaes list contains only 3 Senior listed Qld Players - Merrett, Zorko and Raines who returned after a stint at Richmond - and 2 on the Rookie List Bourke and Michael.
This illustrates the point being made that we are not an AFL state and deserve some concessions and Zip has identified similar problems for GWS,
Quote from: BB67th on October 24, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Adelaide is a football state though, they wouldn't need the extra cap room?
Yes that's true BUT living in SA you should here how much everyone complains about how it's hard for them to retain interstate players (and lets be honest, a majority of AFL players come from Victoria).
Not saying I agree with it, but I think if you got concessions, Adelaide would be crying out for help. Look at the players that have been leaving in recent years.
Quote from: Toga on October 24, 2013, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 24, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Adelaide is a football state though, they wouldn't need the extra cap room?
Yes that's true BUT living in SA you should here how much everyone complains about how it's hard for them to retain interstate players (and lets be honest, a majority of AFL players come from Victoria).
Not saying I agree with it, but I think if you got concessions, Adelaide would be crying out for help. Look at the players that have been leaving in recent years.
Nah doesn't seem that unfair to me. Maybe the SA clubs aren't doing enough to keep their Victorians happy, compared to the South Australians at Victorian clubs...
I think it comes down to club culture but that's just me :3
Personally I don't think they need concessions but I'm just saying I think they'd be fishing for some if the AFL granted other states concessions.
Ummm last time I checked Qld and NSW have zone selections and players still leave all the time, even with bonus salary cap living requirements in Sydney.
You guys have the SANFL, other states have way bigger problems than Adelaide does. Half of the Qld/Nsw players don't even play in their own state, which SA has no problem with.
Leave it as is
LISTEN TO ME!! :P
I do not support Adelaide - I support Richmond. I am just making an observation that I have heard alot about here in SA, that they feel hard done by in being able to retain players.
Quote from: Toga on October 24, 2013, 08:57:33 PM
I think it comes down to club culture but that's just me :3
Personally I don't think they need concessions but I'm just saying I think they'd be fishing for some if the AFL granted other states concessions.
But there is a little bit of difference Toga in having in Adelaides case 18 of their list are South Australian though compared to the numbers for Lions and GWS.
As I say, I do not think they need them in comparison to you guys who certainly do, I just think they would call out for them.
But they're all South Australians :P
Thanks Toga and as i posted last year a lot of these kids that are drafted are only 18 and come from places where AFL is breathed everyday to Qld and NSW where we have to fight for AFL NEWS. Even the Brisbane Lions Board Room resolution today was only on the 6th back page of the Courier mail to show what we are up against bet it was not that far back in Melbourne even though it is a Qld club.
Without this daily AFL saturation it is hard for these youngsters to adjust especially when not getting Senior games. It makes it more difficult when the club is in a bit of turmoil as well.
If we can get another first round pick for Longer which should be the minimum then I do not think we have come out too bad with the picks we now have although our building may have been put back 12/24 months with the 5 who have gone home. This is the part that really hurts in that we lose the next wave after developing them.
the thing with the adelaide clubs is that they're getting kids coming back as well- taking out players like bock/ davis who left for ridiculous amounts of money, they're losing about as much as they're gaining- for instance kids like hombsch and polec.
compared to brisbane for instance, who this year lost 3 first round draft picks (longer (8), docherty(12), polec (5)) from the last 3 years. That's flowered.
Players are wanting to go to Port and Adelaide all the time, whereas Brisbane doesnt get any real interest
Quote from: Ringo on October 24, 2013, 09:26:18 PM
Thanks Toga and as i posted last year a lot of these kids that are drafted are only 18 and come from places where AFL is breathed everyday to Qld and NSW where we have to fight for AFL NEWS. Even the Brisbane Lions Board Room resolution today was only on the 6th back page of the Courier mail to show what we are up against bet it was not that far back in Melbourne even though it is a Qld club.
Without this daily AFL saturation it is hard for these youngsters to adjust especially when not getting Senior games. It makes it more difficult when the club is in a bit of turmoil as well.
Yeah absolutely fair enough Ringo (and others), I completely understand that AFL takes a back seat in your state (I liken it to coverage of the Tiges here in SA :P), and I think that it wouldn't be a stupid idea to grant your mob concessions as it may help retain some of the guys you would otherwise lose as money certainly is a factor.
I agree Adelaide being an AFL state does not need/deserve concessions I was just merely stating something I've heard regularly down here that the Adelaide clubs need something to help retain players (i.e. more money). It seems Port doesn't
really suffer from this problem (at present, at least), with guys like Monfries, Polec and co. returning, however the Crows have been losing more players than they have been getting from ex-South Australians returning home so I would not be surprised to hear them crying out for some extra salary cap space.
As I say I absolutely agree that Brisbane of all clubs at the moment are probably in most need of extra $$/ other concessions!
Quote from: Toga on October 25, 2013, 02:27:06 AM
Quote from: Ringo on October 24, 2013, 09:26:18 PM
Thanks Toga and as i posted last year a lot of these kids that are drafted are only 18 and come from places where AFL is breathed everyday to Qld and NSW where we have to fight for AFL NEWS. Even the Brisbane Lions Board Room resolution today was only on the 6th back page of the Courier mail to show what we are up against bet it was not that far back in Melbourne even though it is a Qld club.
Without this daily AFL saturation it is hard for these youngsters to adjust especially when not getting Senior games. It makes it more difficult when the club is in a bit of turmoil as well.
Yeah absolutely fair enough Ringo (and others), I completely understand that AFL takes a back seat in your state (I liken it to coverage of the Tiges here in SA :P), and I think that it wouldn't be a stupid idea to grant your mob concessions as it may help retain some of the guys you would otherwise lose as money certainly is a factor.
I agree Adelaide being an AFL state does not need/deserve concessions I was just merely stating something I've heard regularly down here that the Adelaide clubs need something to help retain players (i.e. more money). It seems Port doesn't really suffer from this problem (at present, at least), with guys like Monfries, Polec and co. returning, however the Crows have been losing more players than they have been getting from ex-South Australians returning home so I would not be surprised to hear them crying out for some extra salary cap space.
As I say I absolutely agree that Brisbane of all clubs at the moment are probably in most need of extra $$/ other concessions!
sounds like a cultural issue with adelaide then, rather than the actual geographic region.
Zip - my thoughts exactly! 8)
Karnezis and Paine deal done. Straight swap
And another
Trade Radio @traderadio 51s
BREAKING: Billy Longer and pick 48 to @stkildafc for pick 25 and 41.
Geelong Cats @GeelongCats 48s
TRADE: The Cats have traded premiership ruckman Trent West to the @BrisbaneLions for pick 41.
Those picks have just been flying round today!!
Nice pickup for the Lions
Jon Ralph @RalphyHeraldSun 44s
Pies think Karnezis can be elite. Which is hype. But basically confirms Pies think the Lions development was rubbish. Big issue for Leppa
6 picks in the first 2 rounds
7, 22, 25, 28, 33, 34.
Quote from: tabs on October 25, 2013, 02:54:21 PM
6 picks in the first 2 rounds
7, 22, 25, 28, 33, 34.
Looks good
In 2 years time we can trade those players and get picks
18, 35, 38, 41, 46 and 47.
Looked at the grades for trading. Wasn't surprised that we pumped out a f
It was definitely a horror trade period for us, but we have what we have now and it is time to move forward.
Interesting that we got West, does Leppa plan to play him the ruck and Berger up forward maybe? Maybe Longer would have had more opportunities if he stayed but had already decided to go home.
Paine will probably just be another failed tall forward, but one of them has to be decent at some stage right?
Not happy with the picks, but will just have to hope that we draft well enough to make up for it I suppose.
Quote from: strikes91 on October 25, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
Looked at the grades for trading. Wasn't surprised that we pumped out a f
Link?
Been out all day and my thoughts on the trade.
Pies may be right with Karny becoming an elite player - Hinting at his development issues do not agree as I believe Karnezis asked to be traded home at the end of the season and in one of Voss's decision I agreed with played him in reserves there after. Why continue to develop a player who is not going to be there next year. Mayes probably slotted into this role and I agree.
Paine for Karnezis is reasonable.
We got really flowered in the Longer Trade but this is better than nothing as St Kilda could have picked him up for nothing.
Its a shame because the recruiting managers did a pretty good job.
The Lions football club got shafted by its board members
It's gonna be interesting to see what the Lions do with these 6 picks in the first two rounds on the back of all of this...
6 midfielders #yolo ::)
Quote from: specky92 on October 25, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
6 midfielders #yolo ::)
I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that very few of the this year's draft pool are from QLD.
Quote from: NigeyS on October 25, 2013, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: specky92 on October 25, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
6 midfielders #yolo ::)
I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that very few of the this year's draft pool are from QLD.
Think that not being from Qld won't be a huge issue in the future, I feel as if Longer, polec etc. got disillusioned with the fiasco that happened off field
Brisbane will probably also pick up McGuane as a delisted free agent as well.
Think we need to target forwards and defenders in the draft as these are our weak area given the ages of defenders and forwards. Mid field has good depth with only Moloney and Raines over 25. There are a couple of midfielders coming through as well.
Quote from: Ringo on October 25, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
Been out all day and my thoughts on the trade.
Pies may be right with Karny becoming an elite player - Hinting at his development issues do not agree as I believe Karnezis asked to be traded home at the end of the season and in one of Voss's decision I agreed with played him in reserves there after. Why continue to develop a player who is not going to be there next year. Mayes probably slotted into this role and I agree.
Paine for Karnezis is reasonable.
We got really flowered in the Longer Trade but this is better than nothing as St Kilda could have picked him up for nothing.
Different sorts of players I know Ringo but how would you rank those you lost...I'd be interested to hear.
From an outsider's perspective I would've thought Docherty would be the biggest loss. Also on that pick 33 for him... compared to 25 and 41 for Longer I was of the opinion Saints gave significantly more...agree that you were screwed over...hopefully all your picks flourish and stay.
What do you think of us getting Trent West Ringo? Likely to get game time?
Quote from: enzedder on October 25, 2013, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 25, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
Been out all day and my thoughts on the trade.
Pies may be right with Karny becoming an elite player - Hinting at his development issues do not agree as I believe Karnezis asked to be traded home at the end of the season and in one of Voss's decision I agreed with played him in reserves there after. Why continue to develop a player who is not going to be there next year. Mayes probably slotted into this role and I agree.
Paine for Karnezis is reasonable.
We got really flowered in the Longer Trade but this is better than nothing as St Kilda could have picked him up for nothing.
Different sorts of players I know Ringo but how would you rank those you lost...I'd be interested to hear.
From an outsider's perspective I would've thought Docherty would be the biggest loss. Also on that pick 33 for him... compared to 25 and 41 for Longer I was of the opinion Saints gave significantly more...agree that you were screwed over...hopefully all your picks flourish and stay.
Personally I Think and this may surprise is Karnezis is probably the biggest loss imo. Was starting to show plenty and then announced he wanted to go home and was left in Reserves.
Docherty and Yeo were on a par imo both fighting for that last position - Docherty foot skills are lacking a little which at times allowed Yeo to push in front.
Longer in only his 1st year of Senior Football so little hard to gauge although taken at 7 in National draft this really is a concern
West is a reasonable pick up considering the loss of Longer - Just wondering where Stefan Martin fits now as I see West a better player. West is also a year younger than Martin. Hope that Leppa plays West in Ruck with Berger as a forward and both interchanging throughout the game.
In the end, Brisbane still have Rich, Rockcliff, Hanley, Moloney and Zorko as several immediate impact players.
Think that 2013 might mean a delay for them in terms of getting from to top 10 ---> top 8 ---> top 6 but I can see a strong side still.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 25, 2013, 08:43:01 PM
In the end, Brisbane still have Rich, Rockcliff, Hanley, Moloney and Zorko as several immediate impact players.
Think that 2013 might mean a delay for them in terms of getting from to top 10 ---> top 8 ---> top 6 but I can see a strong side still.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 25, 2013, 08:43:01 PM
In the end, Brisbane still have Rich, Rockcliff, Hanley, Moloney and Zorko as several immediate impact players.
Think that 2013 might mean a delay for them in terms of getting from to top 10 ---> top 8 ---> top 6 but I can see a strong side still.
Agree mailman that our short term prospects are good but with 5 players leaving development will be set back as we will have to start afresh with new players based on our draft picks. So we may peak next year 2014 and then slip for 2 years before rising again. Hope not but looking at realities.
This is what I consider our best 22 atm after trade period.
B Patfull Merrett Clarke
HB Golby Maguire Adcock
C Hanley Rockliff Rich
HF Green Mayes Zorko
FF Lisle Brown Staker
F Berger Reddan Moloney
Bench West Beams Harwood Raines
Players considered unlucky would be Lester, Bewick, McGuanne, Paine with Close. Paporone and Wearden possibly putting pressure on,.
That best 22 is in no way shameful the main issue I can see is the FF line, with Brown i'm assuming will retire next year. Trent West vs Billy Longer is a short-term upgrade IMO (obviously long term loss).
Very strong midfield and decent backline
That is why I specified short term MM and my concern that these 5 leaving will put us behind in development, That is why I put out best 22 now. Brown, Patfull Merrett, Maguire and McGrath are all 29 plus so would anticipate retirements.
Think Hanley has hit the nail on the head, "To many mummies boys" playing AFL these days wanting to go home. Boo Hoo man up, generations seem to be getting softer and softer in this regard.
Quote from: Grazz on October 26, 2013, 12:03:42 PM
Think Hanley has hit the nail on the head, "To many mummies boys" playing AFL these days wanting to go home. Boo Hoo man up, generations seem to be getting softer and softer in this regard.
Agree Grazz if anyone is qualified to say that it is Hanley. Irish guy who was drafted to Brisbane at age 19 a long way to come.
Quote from: Ringo on October 26, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Grazz on October 26, 2013, 12:03:42 PM
Think Hanley has hit the nail on the head, "To many mummies boys" playing AFL these days wanting to go home. Boo Hoo man up, generations seem to be getting softer and softer in this regard.
Agree Grazz if anyone is qualified to say that it is Hanley. Irish guy who was drafted to Brisbane at age 19 a long way to come.
Yeh my sentiments exactly mate. Would like to see them harden up a bit.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-10-28/not-all-is-lost
Interesting article concerning the loss of five players. Basically if we can get our picks right we can remain competitive but if we do not we will be struggling in 3 years time.
Just also remember Brisbane has the 3rd Youngest list in the AFL as well
bye bye Jesse
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-10-29/obrien-moves-on (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2013-10-29/obrien-moves-on)
Dont think too many other clubs will want to pick him up.
Do not mind this delisting as the article basically says we had to cut another player if we are take all 6 picks in the first 2 rounds and Johnno Freeman,
Jesse has worked hard to overcome injury but may be a reasonable pick up for a club if he can get his body right. Showed what he is capable by winning the Andrew Ireland Medal in the NEAFL Grand final. Being from SA do not know whether Adelaide may want to pick him up given they missed on Polec.
Goose and Polka have re-signed on one year deals.
Good news for the club today.
Firstly Luke McGuane has signed on as a free agent. He should be a good foil for Browny and I think he will fit in well as a third tall.
Also Brent Staker has re-signed for two yeas so he will stay with us for the rest of his career.
Just saw this before, great news!
Great News on Staker and McGuane - Brightens up a dull NZ day
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-09/happy-days-for-happy-mayes (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-09/happy-days-for-happy-mayes)
QuoteIT'S MUSIC to the ears of Brisbane Lions fans - first year star Sam Mayes loves the club and says he doesn't plan on going anywhere.
The Lions have just endured the off-season from hell that included losing five players under the age of 21, who all departed sighting homesickness.
Yay :)
Stupid copy and paste issues
Good news fellas, the kid is a gun!
Well done Brisbane, he is a machine of a kid. Losing him would have hurt too much for you. Very good news he is staying with you. :)
He's gonna be a star, so good to hear this
Banfield delisted but they intend to rookie list him
Not surprising given that Green has now taken his position.
Do we have to rookie him? :P
Last chance for Banfield next year. Definitely going to rookie him after he has been on the pre-season trip to Arizona.
can't see him getting a run except for a big injury count..
Wrigley has signed with the Redland Bombers (http://www.neafl.com.au/index.php?id=16&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2013&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=11&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=1628&cHash=b16335876c5c583843fa6ef07050b5d3)
Good that we will still get to watch him play :) Was very unlucky to get delisted.
What about Callum Bartlett? I thought he was pretty stiff? Will you rookie him?
Some good gets by the Redland Bombers there. Will be pushing up the ladder in the NEAFL. Darren Pfeiffer is the interesting inclusion relocating to Qld to complete studies.
Quote from: elephants on November 15, 2013, 06:18:58 PM
What about Callum Bartlett? I thought he was pretty stiff? Will you rookie him?
Dont think we will. Was very stiff to delist him I think aswell. Same goes for O'Brien. Wish we'd delist spuds like Banfield instead of these guys :(
Quote from: nrich102 on November 15, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 15, 2013, 06:18:58 PM
What about Callum Bartlett? I thought he was pretty stiff? Will you rookie him?
Dont think we will. Was very stiff to delist him I think aswell. Same goes for O'Brien. Wish we'd delist spuds like Banfield instead of these guys :(
Banfield got delisted 2 days ago ???
Quote from: whatlez on November 15, 2013, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 15, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 15, 2013, 06:18:58 PM
What about Callum Bartlett? I thought he was pretty stiff? Will you rookie him?
Dont think we will. Was very stiff to delist him I think aswell. Same goes for O'Brien. Wish we'd delist spuds like Banfield instead of these guys :(
Banfield got delisted 2 days ago ???
He's going to be rookie listed though
We had to delist Bartlett because I think he had been on rookie list for 2 years. Would not be surprised if we do pick him up again. Would prefer to rookie list Bartlett than Banfield to be honest. Injuries have cruelled his AFL career.
West will ruin Sam Michaels JS :'( :P
Awesome night by the Lions tonight. Aish >:D
Quote from: nrich102 on November 21, 2013, 08:25:22 PM
Awesome night by the Lions tonight. Aish >:D
you see him getting games in 2014?
Great drafting tonight. Really happy with what we got
- 2 quality midfielders in Aish and Lewis Taylor
- 2 key backs in Darcy Gardiner and Daniel McStay
- A half back rebounder/winger with Tom Cutler
- Don't know too much about Robertson, but seems a similar player to Cutler
- Another key forward in Freeman who looks encouraging
- A rookie upgrade for Justin Clarke who had a very good debut year
Very happy with that draft night, couldn't have done much better!
Aish is an excellent pick up. Well done Brisbane.
One negative in the draft - we didn't promote Sam Michael. :'(
Very good night for you guys I reckon. Deserve it with all the off-season shower that happened. Onya Brissy! ;)
Quote from: nrich102 on November 21, 2013, 09:05:24 PM
One negative in the draft - we didn't promote Sam Michael. :'(
did nothing to deserve a promotion lol
Just did nothing in general :P
Quote from: vinny on November 21, 2013, 09:08:58 PM
Just did nothing in general :P
He dominated against Geelong
I think the Lions done extremely well, great draft for you guys
Leppa is going to have to find room for him. can't leave him out
Quote from: nrich102 on November 21, 2013, 09:05:24 PM
One negative in the draft - we didn't promote Sam Michael. :'(
I think if they did then the night would of been ruined.
Just got home from a meeting and really think we have done well with the draft. Sets us up nicely for future to offset thye losses. Think we will still have the third youngest list as well.
Would have liked to see another forawrd recruited although we may develop one of the defenders in to a forward.
Pick 34 Nick Robertson
DOB 3/6/95
Height 191cm
Weight 88kg
Position Midfielder
Pick 33 Tom Cutler
DOB 20/2/95
Height 190cm
Weight 85kg
Position Defender
Pick 28 Lewis Taylor
DOB 17/2/95
Height 173cm
Weight 73kg
Position Small midfielder/forward
Pick 25 Daniel McStay
DOB 24/6/95
Height 194cm
Weight 88kg
Position Tall defender
Pick 22 Darcy Gardiner
DOB 22/9/95
Height 192cm
Weight 85kg
Position Tall defender
Pick 7 James Aish
DOB 8/11/95
Height 184cm
Weight 75kg
Position Midfielder
These are great replacemments for the go home cry babies.
can see Aish competing with Mayes and Clay Beams for a position in 22. Others may still need development.
I'm sad Aishy is leaving Norwood but you guys certainly have a good player on your hands
Guess those mummies boys won't be very missed.
McStay better live up to his name >:D
Now you just need Aish to not want to go home in 2 years time :-\
I think the Lions deserve and massive well done/congrats on an excellent draft.
@Ringo: I wouldn't be surprised to see McStay be tried as a forward. Has played there before and does a pretty decent job. Handy swingman, a bit like Sauce.
Quote from: NigeyS on November 22, 2013, 11:35:12 AM
I think the Lions deserve and massive well done/congrats on an excellent draft.
@Ringo: I wouldn't be surprised to see McStay be tried as a forward. Has played there before and does a pretty decent job. Handy swingman, a bit like Sauce.
Thanks Nigey May be the case although we have a few developing forwqrads in Paparone and Close as well.
We are well served for the future with maguire, Merrett and Patfull all turning 30 this year.
Lions were deffinetly one of the big winners of this years draft
Brisbane is slowly building one of the best young midfield crop throughout the entire AFL
Jack Redden
Tom Rockliff
Daniel Rich
Andrew Raines
Brent Moloney
Sam Mayes
James Aish
Lewis Taylor
Then to have guys like Dayne Zorko, Pearce Hanley and Clay Beams all looking for more midfield time its looking like a very strong lineup.
Also i think Brisbane might be the only team in the league to have more defenders and forwards on their list than midfielders
Interesting observation Noz and you may be correct when I do the final analysis but players like Zorko, Bewick and Polkinghorne may also be classed as DPP players with mid time.
Looks like Todd Banfield might get picked up by the Tigers. That would be weird after he went on our pre-season trip to Arizona.
Quote from: BB67th on November 26, 2013, 07:51:25 PM
Looks like Todd Banfield might get picked up by the Tigers. That would be weird after he went on our pre-season trip to Arizona.
You guys have a pick before us. Surely you'd take him? ???
Quote from: NigeyS on November 26, 2013, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: BB67th on November 26, 2013, 07:51:25 PM
Looks like Todd Banfield might get picked up by the Tigers. That would be weird after he went on our pre-season trip to Arizona.
You guys have a pick before us. Surely you'd take him? ???
We might. I assume we were probably looking at getting him with our second round pick if no one else was interested in him. Might have to waste our first-rounder on him now.
Personally, I would prefer for him to go to the Tigers. Just a waste of space on our list right now.
Quote from: BB67th on November 26, 2013, 07:51:25 PM
Looks like Todd Banfield might get picked up by the Tigers. That would be weird after he went on our pre-season trip to Arizona.
I'm not sold on this rumour tbh after the players we selected in the National Draft. ???
Yessssss!!! He can go flower himself.
if injury strikes our little fellas we'll need him.
Banfield was told he can either get paid out a year and get delisted or oh onto the rookie list. He chose the rookie list
Not sure how the Tigers interest affects this
Any reason why Jordan Bourke wasn't elevated of the rookie list had a pretty good year in the NEAFL?
Quote from: Noz on November 22, 2013, 01:23:02 PM
Lions were deffinetly one of the big winners of this years draft
Brisbane is slowly building one of the best young midfield crop throughout the entire AFL
Jack Redden
Tom Rockliff
Daniel Rich
Andrew Raines
Brent Moloney
Sam Mayes
James Aish
Lewis Taylor
Then to have guys like Dayne Zorko, Pearce Hanley and Clay Beams all looking for more midfield time its looking like a very strong lineup.
That's a bit of a premature call when 2 of those guys haven't played a game yet, 1 has only played 18 games and one is at the end of his career.
Quote from: Noz on November 27, 2013, 04:38:19 PM
Any reason why Jordan Bourke wasn't elevated of the rookie list had a pretty good year in the NEAFL?
If we did not have the go home factor Noz suspect we would have elevated him. But as can be seen we had sound draft picks that set us up for the future. Jordan has only just turned 19 so there is time as well but would expect him to be elevated next year especially if as expected Brownie retires,
Quote from: TeeJay on November 27, 2013, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Noz on November 22, 2013, 01:23:02 PM
Lions were deffinetly one of the big winners of this years draft
Brisbane is slowly building one of the best young midfield crop throughout the entire AFL
Jack Redden
Tom Rockliff
Daniel Rich
Andrew Raines
Brent Moloney
Sam Mayes
James Aish
Lewis Taylor
Then to have guys like Dayne Zorko, Pearce Hanley and Clay Beams all looking for more midfield time its looking like a very strong lineup.
That's a bit of a premature call when 2 of those guys haven't played a game yet, 1 has only played 18 games and one is at the end of his career.
Just highlighting the depth we have in the midfield Teejay as well but you must admit it is very strong looking when you now add O'Brien and Robertson to the mix as well.
I think there was never any doubt that the Lions had a strong young midfield before and after the draft.
The main issue is when the players do hit their prime, are they going to be able to compete as a genuine contender vs Gold Coast and GWS?
I'm not sure, but there are a couple of other younger teams also coming through like Collingwood, Sydney and Western Bulldogs that might make it harder down the road
Speculation of course :)
Now that drafts are completed I think we are one of the winners of the draft along with St Kilda.
Probably one of the biggest turnover of players that I have seen in recent years.
Out:
Todd Banfield - To Richmond
Callum Bartlett (del)
Simon Black (ret)
Aaron Cornelius (del)
Sam Docherty - Carlton
Patrick Karnezis Collingwood
Billy Longer St Kilda
Niall McKeever (del)
Richard Newell (del)
Jesse O'Brien (del)
Jared Polec - Port Adelaide
Stephen Wrigley (del)
Elliot Yeo West Coast
Ins:
We traded reasonably well for the go home lads and secured 6 picks in the first 2 rounds of the National Draft and these were well used.
Trent West - Geelong Handy addition and will play with Leppas 2 ruck policy
Jackson Paine - Collingwood Tall forward who will add to our forward depth
James Aish - Midfielder reday to play and a Steal at Pick 7
Darcy Gardiner - Tall defender and will boost defensive stocks
Daniel McStay - Rebounding defender and handy replacement for Docherty
Lewis Taylor - A Small crumbing forward who was surprisingly available at pick 28
Tom Cutler - Versatile player who can play across half back, wing and can go through mid field
Nick Roberton - Another versatile player with a big body who will add to midfield depth
Johnno Freeman - Academy Player who will be developed as a forward
Justin Clarke elevated from Rookie list - showed what he could do last year when called up and deserves promotion and will be a regular in defence
Rookies
Isaac Conway - Thought he would have been picked up late in National Draft but pleased to Rookie list him. Was Captain of the Qld Under 18 side so has leadership qualities as well. Strong Bodied midfielder who has been in the Academy for the last 12 months
Zac O'Brien - Strong Bodied Inside Midfielder
Archie Smith - Project Player as a Ruckman following conversion from basketball 12 months ago. Made the Qld Under 18 team after a few games of AFL.
Overall we have added depth and covered departing players. With both the coaching and off field dramas now settled the future looks bright for the club and while we amy not make the 8 this year (a probability though) 2015 will start to see us really rise.
Lewis Taylor is more of midfielder than a small forward.
Who's Tim Conway? Lol
Think he played for Aspley Hornets or some other mediocre team!!!
And in case you have forgotten here is some highlights from the under 18 championships featuring Conway.
http://www.lions.com.au/video/2013-11-28/isaac-conway-highlights
may have to take him with my rookie pick ;D ;D
It's Issac Conway. That's why I said it lol. Even in your link it says Issac :P
what's an Isaac Conway? ooh around about 83kg
Quote from: whatlez on November 28, 2013, 12:13:38 PM
It's Issac Conway. That's why I said it lol. Even in your link it says Issac :P
Sorry Lez did not pick up on that. My bad
Quote from: NigeyS on November 28, 2013, 10:18:52 AM
Lewis Taylor is more of midfielder than a small forward.
From what I can see he can play both roles pretty admirably. Thing is, at 173cm, unless he has amazing skills/pace he will unlikely ever be able to play as an out and out midfielder. He's just too small. A small forward that can rotate through the midfield is a pretty fair adjudication imo.
Quote from: elephants on November 29, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on November 28, 2013, 10:18:52 AM
Lewis Taylor is more of midfielder than a small forward.
From what I can see he can play both roles pretty admirably. Thing is, at 173cm, unless he has amazing skills/pace he will unlikely ever be able to play as an out and out midfielder. He's just too small. A small forward that can rotate through the midfield is a pretty fair adjudication imo.
Wouldn't complain if he became a small forward for my BXVs team. ;D
Bump!
What order will the rookies be upgraded? I would think: Michael, Conway, Smith, with Bourke, Hayes and O'Brien after that, or will O'Brien be upgraded earlier as he's an older recruit?
Will depend on injuries as to order,
O'Brien and Conway are both inside mid fielders. O'Brien is a hard nut at the ball and a mature aged player with clean hands whereas Izzy Conway is a very strong below the knees and has leadership qualities but needs a bit more body development. So if a mid was required think O'Brien would get the nod before Izzy.
Hayes and Bourke are both strong marking forwards - So if forward was required would be a toss of the coin between the two. Little between them so either would warrant selection.
Michael and Smith are both ruckman. The added dimension to Michael is that he can play as a tall defender. In training drills this year he has been used as a defender rather than in ruck so should injury occur to a defender or ruck Michael would get the nod.
Archie Smith has only played a handful of games so this will be another development year for him and can not see him getting promoted this year.
Hey Ringo, what you think about McGuane getting games for Brissy next year, i hear he will play centre half forward ?
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 06, 2014, 12:41:45 PM
Hey Ringo, what you think about McGuane getting games for Brissy next year, i hear he will play centre half forward ?
McGuanne, Paine and Lisle imo will be vying for the centre half forward position at Brisbane this year. It has been intimated Brownie will be playing closer to goal this year so opening up the CHF. Will definitely depend on pre season performance as to who gets the initial shot at it. All 3 are training with the forward group. Was the first time I have seen McGuane and he looks a little awkward to me with his body shape (really skinny legs) that seems to effect him from time to time.
Thanks Ringo, he's in my BXV team was the reason i asked, was just wondering how he was going at training.
Found an article that said he will jockey for a position at either end, hopefully he becomes a good player for Brissy.
Quote from: Ringo on January 06, 2014, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 06, 2014, 12:41:45 PM
Hey Ringo, what you think about McGuane getting games for Brissy next year, i hear he will play centre half forward ?
McGuanne, Paine and Lisle imo will be vying for the centre half forward position at Brisbane this year. It has been intimated Brownie will be playing closer to goal this year so opening up the CHF. Will definitely depend on pre season performance as to who gets the initial shot at it. All 3 are training with the forward group. Was the first time I have seen McGuane and he looks a little awkward to me with his body shape (really skinny legs) that seems to effect him from time to time.
Yep awkward sums Mcguanne up perfectly but despite being skinny he is deceivingly strong and quite athletic so can definitely play at CHF. Never gonna be a gun but will hopefully play a role while you develop a kid for that position.
Mayes Best 22?
As I have said Vinny - Mayes, Beams and Aish will be competing for 2 positions imo.
100% guarantee Mayes will play round 1 barring injury. His future is locked in the team. Aish will probably be in there as well
Tend to agree with you Strikes Mayes will probably sow up one leaving Aish and Beams for the other, Preseason form will decide. Beams is still not in full training so that may hold him back a little
Quote from: Ringo on January 06, 2014, 08:02:53 PM
Tend to agree with you Strikes Mayes will probably sow up one leaving Aish and Beams for the other, Preseason form will decide. Beams is still not in full training so that may hold him back a little
I think leppa should give James 5 weeks. see how he copes if he's a bit raw and not having enough effect maybe a stint in the 2nds for a bit could help him. But I'm confident he will adapt well.
Anyone up for the idea of a Lions DT/SC league?
yep, keen
not in the slightest.
I already struggle to cut like 10 leagues down to 5 lol. :(
Actually maybe I could do SC if I have a slot...
Sorry Nate but my SC Leagues are full - Could do a Real DT one if necessary
What rank is McCauley in terms of rucking at Brisbane? I don't know him at all.
Quote from: vinny on January 16, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
What rank is McCauley in terms of rucking at Brisbane? I don't know him at all.
Who's McCauley ??? ???
Quote from: vinny on January 16, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
What rank is McCauley in terms of rucking at Brisbane? I don't know him at all.
McCauley's not even in the AFL these days buddy.
Quote from: NigeyS on January 16, 2014, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: vinny on January 16, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
What rank is McCauley in terms of rucking at Brisbane? I don't know him at all.
McCauley's not even in the AFL these days buddy.
Think we delisted him in 2011
Oh haha sorry I was just looking through my new EXV list and seeing who I should delist, my bad. :-\
Why didnt Torp delist him two years ago? ???
Quote from: vinny on January 16, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Oh haha sorry I was just looking through my new EXV list and seeing who I should delist, my bad. :-\
Why didnt Torp delist him two years ago? ???
Delisted by Brisbane in 2011. Played for the Hawks in 2012 and then retired at the end of the year.
Here he is!
(http://i39.tinypic.com/152e1ap.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-01-18/aish-quick-to-settle-as-a-happy-cub
looking at a picture mayes looks massive
Quote from: vinny on January 16, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Oh haha sorry I was just looking through my new EXV list and seeing who I should delist, my bad. :-\
Why didnt Torp delist him two years ago? ???
Bloody hell Vin, hopeless! Hahaha
It's rather dead in here.
OK Just to get a discussion going.
Who is likely to debut first Aish or Robbo. I think Robbo has been the more impressive preseason to date.
Also is Lester in our best 22. Very solid performance on Thursday night.
Quote from: Ringo on February 15, 2014, 04:57:18 PM
OK Just to get a discussion going.
Who is likely to debut first Aish or Robbo. I think Robbo has been the more impressive preseason to date.
Also is Lester in our best 22. Very solid performance on Thursday night.
Where was Lester playing? Should he slot in where Yeo left?
Lester was playing in mids on Thursday
OK. I dont see him slotting straight into the midfield, with Moloney, Rich, Redden, Rockliff and Hanley. Should play back?
Lester is a must i reckon. playing him off half back wouldn't be too bad, he's a good runner and has a decent disposal. Could even push golby out at the moment. Aish V Robertson... probably aishy just by watching on Thursday. I'm sure they'll both line up against gc so we'll get another good look at them.
Both Aish and Robbo will be vital for their team structure so you would think they would both play the majority of the season right?
Robbo being the less likely to receive the vest however i believe as he won't be as damaging when he comes on as someone like an Aish would be.
Leppitsch expecting Aish to play threw the midfield and forward line. Looks like he could get a few games in his first year.
Strong team as expected against GC, Leppa looking at the forwards still with Close, Lisle and Freeman named. Robertson, Aish, Crisp, Cuttler all still in there as well.
Yes Strikes suspect a couple may not make final cut. Bourke although rookie listed is an interseting inclusion as well given we have no injuries to warrant promotion unless we do still have a vacancy on senior which I suspect is still the case.
Cutler looks to have the inside running for a back spot. Will be interesting to see how Beams performs on Sunday with all back including Robbo and Aish,
Close, Lisle, Freeman and McGuanne imo will be competing for CHF Position assuming we play both West and Berger.
Staker and Brown to come into team for Round 1 McGrath probably will be there as well as the only changes I see for round 1. (Staker and McGrath carrying minor injuries),
So after today, McGuane should get named round 1, and Close ahead of Lisle?
McGuane probably has it indeed. Mayes will be best 22 with Paparone entering the competition for a spot now. Thought Aish did very well but got a little fatigued and sloppy at the end. Zorko, Rocky and Redden were fantastic.
Sneaky Rumor about a big play for jonathan patton for next season.
I think there'll be a number of teams making a play for Patton next season.
Think this is possibly starting to look like our first Round Team:
Clarke - Merrett - Patful
Golby - Adcock - Hanley
Rich - Moloney - Rockliff
Staker - Brown - Zorko
Green - McGuane - Lester
Luey - Mayes - Redden
Harwood -West - Robertson
Aish/Beams (Sub)
Have heard the rumour about Patton also but think that if we have a few step up this year would prefer to develop them. In saying that Leppa has made it known that he wants to be active in this trade period.
No room for Maguire?
On form shown in preseason and intra club trial Maguire would be struggling - May replace Clarke but can not see it. Also found it hard to leave McGrath out who is undoubtedly the most accurate kick at the club,
Damn, based on that Ringo it seems Cutler misses out. He scored well when given the TOG so was hoping for a cheap backline rook :P
Quote from: Ringo on February 24, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
On form shown in preseason and intra club trial Maguire would be struggling - May replace Clarke but can not see it. Also found it hard to leave McGrath out who is undoubtedly the most accurate kick at the club,
Well he might be the most accurate kick, but if you can't get the ball then it doesn't matter :P
Quote from: elephants on February 24, 2014, 12:14:02 PM
Damn, based on that Ringo it seems Cutler misses out. He scored well when given the TOG so was hoping for a cheap backline rook :P
Cutler would be vying with Clarke and Maguire for a position in the back line Ele. Clarke imo is in front but do not discard as a possible bench option instead of Harwood. Would depend on what Structure Leppa wants to use.
Quote from: Ringo on February 24, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
Think this is possibly starting to look like our first Round Team:
Clarke - Merrett - Patful
Golby - Adcock - Hanley
Rich - Moloney - Rockliff
Staker - Brown - Zorko
Green - McGuane - Lester
Luey - Mayes - Redden
Harwood -West - Robertson
Aish/Beams (Sub)
Have heard the rumour about Patton also but think that if we have a few step up this year would prefer to develop them. In saying that Leppa has made it known that he wants to be active in this trade period.
looks about right ringo. Robertson, Aish, Beams and Paparone going for 2 spots.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-03-07/my-best-22-forwards (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-03-07/my-best-22-forwards)
Interesting article. Strange to see he has Paparone ahead of Close.
The only change I weould see as I do not Staker as a CHF would be McGuanne/Lisle to CHF and Staker to foward pocket instead of Paparone. Paparone, Close and paine will all push for selection as well throughout the season.
Raines is the other interesting one although I would have Lester in that position and the sub between Raines . Close or Beams.
I think Raines will depend on the opposition. For example, if we're playing Gold Coast, I can see Raines in the side tagging Ablett. However, against maybe the Dees he will likely be dropped.
Watching GWS and the Suns win I think puts pressure on us. We can't just come out and put in a poor effort. If we do get thrashed i'm just imaging the media already.
Real pressure on us - and we do not have an easy draw with Hawks and Cats in first 2 rounds. Then follows Suns at Metricon and that will not be easy either.
B Ryan Harwood (2) Daniel Merrett (21) Jed Adcock (7)
HB Justin Clarke (42) Joel Patfull (24) Mitch Golby (41)
C Pearce Hanley (11) Daniel Rich (10) James Aish (4)
HF Josh Green (6) Trent West (13) Dayne Zorko (15)
F Sam Mayes (32) Jonathan Brown (16) Tom Rockliff (38)
FOLL Matthew Leuenberger (23) Jack Redden (30) Brent Moloney (3)
INT Marco Paparone (22) Lewis Taylor (28) Michael Close (32) Ryan Lester (35)
Emergency: Rohan Bewick (8) Nick Robertson (18) Jordan Lisle (19)
Bring on Saturday
Nice team we have named. Keen to see how the new boys go. I'd assume Taylor is probably going to get the vest? Or maybe Lester?
Taylor will probably get the vest imo due to his limited preseason. remember he has only been in fulltrining for 4 weeks. Strange though we have 3 forwards on the interchange and Lester can be classed as HF also. Wait for the furore with Rocky named forward.
Hey Ringo, do yiu think Mayes will play more on the wing or forward?
Are you guys surprised to see Taylor in the team this week given he's a first year player who's had an interrupted pre-season?
He must be rated fairly highly if he's been thrust straight into a match against the reigning premiers off a limited pre-season?
I was surprised to see him named as when you look at the bench Close, Paparone, Taylor and to a certain extent Lester are all forwards. Golby and Clarke also coming off interrupted seasons so was expecting to see Cutler named as cover myself.
Expect Close to start on the field for Rocky to give us structure as I can not see him starting forward.
nrich I expect Mayes to floating down the wings similar to what he was doing last year. He was also playing that role in the trials.
thanks ringo :)
what's the story with Raines?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 22, 2014, 12:44:20 AM
what's the story with Raines?
You might see him next week. He'll be needed for selwood.. then gary after.
Not sure on that Strikes as Leppa may allocate run with roles rather than tag to keep team building momentum. Not really sure who he would come in for as it would upset the mid field balance we have at the moment.
Will Rocky be playing run with roles like he did on Mitchell every week? >:(
Quote from: Sydney14 on March 23, 2014, 10:37:43 AM
Will Rocky be playing run with roles like he did on Mitchell every week? >:(
Quote from: Sydney14 on March 23, 2014, 10:37:43 AM
Will Rocky be playing run with roles like he did on Mitchell every week? >:(
It wasn't all doom and gloom. Mitchel Dragged him to the forward line. but in the first qtr when they were playing in the middle he had no problems touching the pill and keeping Mitchell quiet.
Quote from: strikes91 on March 23, 2014, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Sydney14 on March 23, 2014, 10:37:43 AM
Will Rocky be playing run with roles like he did on Mitchell every week? >:(
It wasn't all doom and gloom. Mitchel Dragged him to the forward line. but in the first qtr when they were playing in the middle he had no problems touching the pill and keeping Mitchell quiet.
Yeah I know, but would rather see him play an attacking game rather than a defending one. Don't want my M3 to be a tagger and I can't speak for Lions fans but if I was one I wouldn't want him playing that role.
I thought it was really strange not to play Andrew Raines and even play Maguire. Playing Maguire would of allowed Lions to play Merrett up forward to try and expose the smaller Hawthorn defence.
Clarke did a good job on Roughy in the first half and the Patfull/Gunston combo worked pretty well for the Lions. Goose was more than able to stand the resting rucks in Hale/McEvoy and im pretty sure Golby can play on talls right? He could of stood O'Brien.
This would of allowed a combo of West, Brown, Papo and Merret up forward really could of smelt trouble for Gibbo and Cheney who were pretty much their only key defenders.
I think Leppitsch likes to have Merrett play full back, and I also think that is his best spot on the field. We need to start developing some decent key forwards and have them be the focal point other than Merrett, who is getting on.
I thought Paparone did a decent job effort wise, but his finishing was poor. Close was also alright for his first game, but I would've like to have seen more.
Keep Merrett at FB!!
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-03-30/swans-soar-over-lions (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-03-30/swans-soar-over-lions)
Not looking to good for our reserves :(
Hey guys, how likely is at that Taylor will avoid the vest for a few more games?
Really impressed me on the weekend despite being slightly rushed with his disposal.
Will depend on our structures Adez. I was surprised that he was not the sub last week so the chances of avoiding would rest with Leppa. Close, Bewick or Taylor would be the three I would consider sub material for Brisbane this week if named.
Minimal changes for this week.
What's the word on why Harwood isn't playing ringo/others? Was dropped last week citing a shoulder injury, but then played in the reserves that weekend. Now named as an emergency this week...
TBH HB this is one that baffles me. Bear in mind the NEAFL was later as well. He was outed at the Friday session but recovered to take place in Reserves. Word is that it was a severe stinger to the shoulder that had fixed itself by Saturday allowing him to play in reserves.
Lisle was given that position in defence last week and I suspect he is being given a second chance at it this week. (Not like the revolving door of last year). Expect to see him back sooner rather than later as he really needs to cement his spot this year.
That was an all time low.
Lisle, Close, Rich, Merrett out
Paine, Bourke, Harwood, Crisp in
Agree Strikes all time low.
This may be radical but thoughts of using Brownie as the sub. Thinking is it may confuse opoonents tactics and also when he comes on can go flat out rather than trying to pace himself through the game.
Not sure about Crisp though may be bring Nick Roberston in as the replacement for Rich. Bourke can play both ends but do not be surprised if Cutler or McStay come in for Merrett. Both these players have been putting in strong performances in the NEAFL.
So
Harwood for Lisle
Paine for Close
Robertson for Rich
Bourke, McStay or Cutler for Merrett.
Bewick may also figure in discussions.
How many do you think Merrett will be out for? Was a bit of a brain fade wasn't it :-\
Cutler coming in would be alright for our fantasy sides though!
Quote from: Toga on April 06, 2014, 11:12:42 AM
How many do you think Merrett will be out for? Was a bit of a brain fade wasn't it :-\
Cutler coming in would be alright for our fantasy sides though!
Well, it was similar to the McKernan hit last year. He got two weeks. Mark Evans said that was probably a bit too lenient and that he should have got more.
Honestly, it looked really bad, he just went straight for him. God only knows what Sauce was thinking.
It's impossible to tell though. The way they grade these things and judge every incident is different.
However, if we go by the McKernan incident and what Evans said and apply that, Sauce should be getting 4 weeks.
Yeah it did look bad didn't it :-\
Well looking at the points system, my guess is that it would be graded as high contact (2 points), high impact (3 points), reckless conduct (2 points)... Which is 7 activation points and a four week ban so you're probably pretty accurate there Nige. I assume he has a poor record as well so he won't be able to accept a more lenient sentence with an early plea?
4-6 if Fyfe gets 2 for his bump
^ Also something that should be taken into consideration.
Probably the only thing that he's got going for him is that Swallow (it was Swallow wasn't it?) was fine (he got straight up from memory?).
Yeah it was Swallow. He was on his haunches for a little bit but got up after not too long so yeah might play in Merrett's favour, although it still doesn't look good for him.
After Rockys love Tap and Dusty getting off for his who knows what the MRP will do. Whatever is decided will have to be accepted and with Sauces record there probably will be no discount.
TBH it was not a good look and very disappointing from a Senior player.
I am also interested to see if May will be cited for his bump on Zorko to be consistent with the Fyfe one as well.
All circumstances are different as we know but would like to see some consistency with citings.
Merrett will get 3-4 weeks I reckon, stupid what he did. May would get 1 I reckon if the MRP is consistent, but who knows what'll happen there
Just confirmed that Josh Green has a hamstring injury and could miss matches as well. Did not play last quarter. Will probably ensure Taylors position in the side as well.
Crisp possible replacement for Green as McGrath is still a couple of weeks away,
Another option is promoting Zac O'Brien from Rookies and bringing him in. Is a mature aged midfielder with good skills on show.
Zorko set for more time in the middle with Rich out?
Hard to say BB with Green likely to miss as well may keep Zorks for forward pressure. For the next couple anyway until Green returns.
I think moat Lions supporters would like to see Merrett out for 10 weeks
So apparently Sauce only got the two matches for his hit on Swallow... Was not expecting that to say the least! :o
Quote from: Toga on April 07, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
So apparently Sauce only got the two matches for his hit on Swallow... Was not expecting that to say the least! :o
Three down to 2. Probably got away with a match.
Richy confrimed ACL. can't see him taking the lars.
Gardiner is now being mentioned as a possible replacement for Sauce.
Cutler may replace Rich as he has the size and speed to rung off half back. Harwood may also be considered here. Would like to see Robbo get a go but he is an inside player and can not see him ousting Redden or Moloney atm. Could snare a bench spot though.
Because of his small stature Taylor may be given Greens role. Think that he secures a place in Brisbanes best 22 atm.
With Sauces suspension may not see Lisle replaced but if need be Mcstay or the other of Harwood or Cutler could replace him.
Leppa has put a self imposed of playing no more than 4 youngsters each week but may be forced to change that this week due to injuries and suspensions.
Tom Boyd talked Gardiner up as the toughest defender he played on in his short career. Wouldn't hate seeing him get his debut. Cutler for Rich is also on the cards. Robertson got 30 touches and 9 clearances on the weekend so he'll be in consideration as well.
Quote from: Ringo on April 08, 2014, 03:53:33 PM
Because of his small stature Taylor may be given Greens role. Think that he secures a place in Brisbanes best 22 atm.
Best 21?
who we taking with pick 1 at the draft ?
Will have wait till after the Round 11 Match on 31st May to see if we still have the number 1 pick. Playing Carlton at the Gabba.
Hey guys. Who will be coming in for Luenberger? Our ruck stocks are really depleted at the moment, with Sam Michael and Stef Martin (is he actually any good?) injured, leaving only Trent West and Archie Smith, who I don't think is quite good enough for AFL level yet. Will West do solo rucking with help from Lisle or another tall, or should we call up Jono Freeman who has been doing some rucking in the reserves. I think that that West should just do the rucking, with Lisle or someone pinch hitting, and we should bring in someone who can give us more pace.
I'd imagine Trent West will ruck for the most part with somebody pinch hitting from time to time.
Sauce Merrett seems the obvious candidate, but he's suspended atm.
Sam Michael was listed as possibly returning this week so whether we put him straight in with West may be a risk. Michael has been training as a defender in the Senior group so he may come in as a defender and then ruck as required. Lisle was doing the pinch hitting after Berger went down as well. Michael would need to be elevated off the rookie list but we have not elevated anyone for Rich at the moment.
Would not like to see Freeman used as ruck at this stage of his development especially against big bodied rucks.
Maybe we will see Brownie ruck in the forward half and Lisle ruck in the defensive half as required. Do not laugh but Brownie did some rucking on Saturday.
I'm expecting Goose to come into the team. Might help out West.
Quote from: strikes91 on April 14, 2014, 10:00:23 PM
I'm expecting Goose to come into the team. Might help out West.
I was about to ask where the Goose has been. Especially with Merrett out as well.
Quote from: roo boys! on April 14, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on April 14, 2014, 10:00:23 PM
I'm expecting Goose to come into the team. Might help out West.
I was about to ask where the Goose has been. Especially with Merrett out as well.
He's been in the 2s playing up forward :O
Quote from: nrich102 on April 15, 2014, 06:26:47 AM
Quote from: roo boys! on April 14, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on April 14, 2014, 10:00:23 PM
I'm expecting Goose to come into the team. Might help out West.
I was about to ask where the Goose has been. Especially with Merrett out as well.
He's been in the 2s playing up forward :O
Goose is trying to reinvent himself as a forward and learning this trade in the twos. With Merrett only being suspended for 2 weeks and leppa indicating he wanted to give the majority of draftees a run at some stage this was an ideal opportunity to give the opportunity hence the use of Cutler over Maguire. Am expecting Gardiner may come into consideration if Michael not brought in this week.
Will Cutler hold his place for a few do you think boys?
Will depend on the structure Leppa decides to go with. Expect him to hold this week though given the reserves were belted and both McStay and Gardiner did not shine.
Hopefully he will hold his spot then, thinking of jumping on as a downgrade next week if he holds his spot.
Unbelievable that the lions haven't won a quarter. .... I think
Quote from: ossie85 on April 15, 2014, 12:09:28 PM
Unbelievable that the lions haven't won a quarter. .... I think
Spot on Oss - Have been close a number of times but our issues with not running out the quarters is hurting us bad. So far and only after 4 rounds we have leaked 138 points in the red zones worst in the League. So we need to fix this up to win quarters.
Sounds like a mixture of fitness and inexperience Ringo. Your kids will learn from that with more games under the belt
Quote from: Ringo on April 15, 2014, 11:08:19 AM
Will depend on the structure Leppa decides to go with. Expect him to hold this week though given the reserves were belted and both McStay and Gardiner did not shine.
Golby should be dropped. Pathetic attitude on the weekend and having a go at a team mate after he got caught holding the ball is not on
Quote from: strikes91 on April 15, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: Ringo on April 15, 2014, 11:08:19 AM
Will depend on the structure Leppa decides to go with. Expect him to hold this week though given the reserves were belted and both McStay and Gardiner did not shine.
Golby should be dropped. Pathetic attitude on the weekend and having a go at a team mate after he got caught holding the ball is not on
Thought I was the only one who noticed that which is why I did not post anything about it. But agree. Golby has outstanding talent but as you point put his attitude at times leaves a lot to be desired, A stint in the 2's may turn it around but may not happen due to what happened last year with the go home factor.
What was the scenario with the guy getting caught with the ball?
Like, if it was a giant cock up he deserves to get called on it. Nothing more frustrating than a player who thinks they can be a one man team/ overestimating their ability and getting pinged for it.
Would have preferred to see Golby dropped rather than Harwood myself.
Yes understand sometimes frustrations get to you but you have to support team mates at all times regardless of errors made. You save that for the dressing room but am I too old fashioned.
Keen to see Gardiner and McGuane debut for the club tomorrow.
Hopefully we can put up a decent contest, and maybe just come away with a win.
I will be in the Southern Stand in my members seat cheering the boys on. The one real draw back is McInerney as one of the umpires and we have not won any free kick counts when he has been an officiating umpire for a number of years.
Team is way to tall again.
Damn, I really hate McInerney.
Still, it will be good to have the game on free to air for once. And especially in Brownie's 250th!
Whilst we are tall Strikes just remember there is no resting Ruckman as Lisle will ruck while West is off the field. Also Lester and Bewick on the bench will help though. Would like to see Taylor get more involved in that small forward role though as he should be at the feet of the talls more.
Leppa has also encouraged them to play attacking football tomorrow night so should be great to see.
Quote from: strikes91 on April 16, 2014, 07:27:17 PM
Team is way to tall again.
What's the weather meant to be like up in Brisbane?
Will be interesting to see how Guan goes against his former club.
It is fine and clear at the moment Toga and predicted to be fine any maybe a little cool for Brisbane at game time around 20 degrees. Only real issue at the Gabba this time of the year is the dew that is on the ground which makes the ball a little greasy.
Guan was knocking the door down as he had kicked 9 goals in reserves in the last 2 weeks. From my observation he is a strong overhead mark but those real skinny legs worry me.
Sounds like great footy conditions!
Yeah Guan always showed bits and pieces but never consistently. Hopefully he can do something good for you guys... Maybe not this week though ;)
forecasted dew point is pretty low so it shouldn't be too bad
Few observations from last nights game.
1. McGuane was a disappointment and did not grasp the opportunity presented. May find himslef back in the 2's next week, He should have been the one subbed instead of Paine.
2. Moloney unless he had a niggle should not have been the sub. We really miss his work around the clearances.
3. Nick Robertson will develop into a strong inside mid. He was good last night winning some contested possessions. Kept up with Cotchin in the first quarter,
4. Darcy Gardiner had a sound debut but needs to control his agresssion. One his indiscretions cost us a goal.
5. Red zone is still an issue for us. 4 goals to Richmond late in 3rd quarter stiffled our momentum. Although aided by some dubious umpiring decisions we still should not have allowed this many unanswered.
6. Patfull on Riewoldt did not work. Patfull although a sound defender does not have the closing speed to matchup.
7. We still need to find support for Brownie up front.
Surprised you didn't mention Cutler ringo.
Outstanding performance. Looks very calm with the ball
Wanted to keep Cutler under the radar for my SC downgrade ;) ;)
In Sc last weeks 19 will keep his price rise minimal and will be a nice downgrade for McDonald or Langdon prior to their byes.
Yes looks very good but just wondering whether he will keep his Place when Hanley comes back. Not impressed with Golby as yet this year.
The Lions did very well with their picks.
Taylor, Cutler, Robertson, Aish all looked good.
Brisbane showed last night that their future is not all that bleak.
Robbo, Cutler, Gardiner, Aish, Taylor all played for the first time last night meaning 5 of their 7 draft picks have now played. So far all 5 of them have shown enough to have long careers at Brisbane. I still think McStay could be the best of the lot behind Aish. Surprised he didn't play last night especially with Merrett out suspended. Freeman also has talent.
Mayes has already shown he will be an elite player. Rocky, Redden, Zorko are all elite players.
Though Brisbane supporters are going through a rough patch there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Yes we have a handy bunch coming up and credit to our recruiters who recruited well to cover the losses. From our team last night Bewick was playing his 50th game and Aish, Zorko, Robertson, Paparone, Cutler, Gardiner, Taylor, Mayes, Lester, Golby and Clarke have all played less than 50 games. So more than half our team had 50 games or less experience so an exciting future.
Suspect McStay and Freeman will get games in the future as Leppa has indicated he hopes to give all draftees a run at some time. He probably did not expect to have 5 used by Round 5 though.
Agree we are probably at the bottom of the cycle and will have to endure a bit more pain this year but can turn it around. Port supporters know about this as well.
Really happy with how all the kids looked last night.
Robertson plays exactly like Moloney and will be a good like for like replacement in the guts.
Taylor showed a lot of dash and is another good small forward type. Is there room for him, Green and Zorko though?
Cutler had poise with the ball and looked good with it in hand.
Didn't see too much of Gardiner but he looks a likely type.
McGuane was very disappointing though. On negative DT at 3QT and just couldn't get his hands on the ball. Still need a key forward to develop.
Yes we have gone through a rough couple of years but things have finally turned around and its only a matter of time before Brisbane do the same.
Brisbane have one of the best young midfield groups in the AFL as you mentioned a lot of players have played less than 100 games and even more have played less than 50 games. The loss of Daniel Rich hurts. Trent West has shown enough he can be serviceable until Leuenberger returns.
If one of McGuane, Paine or Paparone can string together a couple of consistently good games the whole club will see a turn around. You would know this as better as anyone Ringo too many times the great play built up across half back and through the middle is not rewarded up front due to the lack of talls being able to muscle there way to the front and take a mark.
Surely Harwood to come back in to the side next week? I don't understand why he is consistently in and out of the side. He's such a good user of the ball bringing it out of the defensive half, they just need to give him consistent game time.
I agree, I like Harwood's run out of half back, and it is especially important now that Hanley is out. Hope he gets an extended run in the side this year.
Can not put my finger on it but for some unknown reason Golby seems to be preferred to Harwood. Golby's disposal efficiency is worse that Harwoods and his run and carry is a lot less effective than Harwood. Unless the selection committee see something that I don't I am at a loss to explain why.
With Cutler performing a similar role now it will be interesting what happens when Hanley returns.
Golby would be first player dropped if i was making the choices.
Merrett, Green, Hanley, Raines and Polkinghorne all flew to Wellington as well so Team selection tomorrow will be interesting. Been trying to find out if any of last weeks team were left at home but can not.
Flippin' Hanley..
Are Brisbane gonna get up for the Diggers? Or should i keep my Tip as Saints? THinking Brissy are due for a big one. Just not sure when.. Hows West doing in ruck? Surely have Hicky covered?
Well if Brisbane can't win in Australia maybe they can win in a new country.
Do not know wht you think of our changes this week.
IN: Josh Green, Pearce Hanley, Daniel Merrett, James Polkinghorne, Andrew Raines
OUT: Rohan Bewick, Mitch Golby Jordan Lisle, Jackson Paine, Brent Moloney
The outs surprise me. Raines has been great in the NEAFL but is he better than Moloney who has looked good even though sub last week. Maybe Raines was browght in to curb Montagna.
Would have moved Lisle forward for Paine - Polkinghorne has had his chances and not a fan but he needs to grasp this opportunity if he is to stay in seniors.
Sub will either be Taylor or Cutler imo.
Looks like Sam Mayes may be given first chop at Nroo. Do not mind that as he can run with him but will be giving away 6cm in height though.
McGuane will definitely be on the chopping block if he has a game like last week.
Moloney extremely unlucky, and Polks extremely lucky haha
Very surprised that Gardiner kept his spot, was almost certain he'd be replaced by Merrett. Would've liked to see Bewick get a few more games as well.
To me I think Patful will go with Riewoldt and Clarke with Stanley.
Sauce to play up front and in the ruck
Very surprised to see Mayes at CHB, wouldn't think that would be the right role for him.
I like all the changes, except for Polkinghorne in and Moloney out.
Is there a chance Mayes will actually play back or are they just messing with the team sheets? ???
Interesting Moloney got dropped also... Might increase Robertson's time in the middle, although Raines coming in might decrease it... Tough to say.
Mayes did play a bit of CHB last year Toga so may be correct.
Suspect Moloney dropped for Raines - Whether they have a tagging role for him do not know but who would he tag Steven, Tags or Lenny? Raines has been really tearing it up in the twos for the last couple of weeks so may be promoted on merit.
Oh really didn't realise. Don't think of him as being tall enough to play on the likes of Nroo, great runner though!
Wouldn't take any notice of the list, it changes when the final teams are announced.
So still tossing up between a downgrade to Cutler or Robertson... Who do you think has the better JS/scoring potential at this stage? Would love some insight! :)
Will give my opinion on both.
Robertson should be safe till at least Brisbane byes so long as he maintains the form he has shown in his 2 games. Will be jostling with Raines and Moloney for 2 of 3 positions. Beams is due back in 2 weeks which will make 4 into 2 and that is when the pressure may come on Robbo for JS.
Cutler at the moment appears to have the position over Golby and Harwood. Surprised Gardiner retained position with sauce returning. So effectively it appears to be Gardiner, Harwood, Golby and Cutler contesting 2 positions. McGrath may be in the mix wjhen he returns as well. Also McStay is waiting in the wings. So in summary Cutler will have to fight for his position a lot more than Robbo but he may be good till Brisbanes byes as well.
Thanks Ringo appreciate it mate!
So you think Robbo is the way to go then? What do you think of their scoring potential?
I will be happy with 60/70 from both. Any more is a bonus for rookies. I always allow for 60/70 from rookies and when their B/e nears that i cull if I can. think some people go overboard expecting big scores from Rookies.
In answer to your preference i am taking Robbo this week and possibly Cutler next week in SC.
Cheers mate thanks for the feedback.
On another note do you think there's a chance either of those blokes could be sub? If not who do you think is a chance for it this week?
Quote from: Toga on April 25, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
Cheers mate thanks for the feedback.
On another note do you think there's a chance either of those blokes could be sub? If not who do you think is a chance for it this week?
I reckon Taylor will be sub. If not, maybe Robbo or Cutler, but I really think it'll be Taylor.
GL has nailed it but do not be surprised to see Aish as sub either
Yeah the only reason I don't think it'll be Aish was because he was the starting sub in round 3, so I think Leppa is more likely to give it to one of these guys. Maybe even Josh Green?
I was thinking it might be Taylor, cheers GL. Just with Green coming back into the team it seems like one of them should be sub but you never really know do you :P
Quote from: GoLions16 on April 25, 2014, 12:21:37 PM
Yeah the only reason I don't think it'll be Aish was because he was the starting sub in round 3, so I think Leppa is more likely to give it to one of these guys. Maybe even Josh Green?
I was thinking Green as well possibly. He or Taylor.
All you Polkinghorne haters can take a seat after he racks up 3 Brownlow votes. ;)
Quote from: NigeyS on April 25, 2014, 02:23:19 PM
All you Polkinghorne haters can take a seat after he racks up 3 Brownlow votes. ;)
Over the course of his career?
Quote from: BB67th on April 25, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on April 25, 2014, 02:23:19 PM
All you Polkinghorne haters can take a seat after he racks up 3 Brownlow votes. ;)
Over the course of his career?
Already done that, picked up 3 votes in 2011 from 1 game ;)
Quote from: BB67th on April 25, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on April 25, 2014, 02:23:19 PM
All you Polkinghorne haters can take a seat after he racks up 3 Brownlow votes. ;)
Over the course of his career?
This weekend. ;)
James Aish is a star, you guys are so lucky to have him. Rising Star nomination coming up this week!
PS - congrats on the win ;)
http://www.aflauctions.com.au/lions.htm
If interested all Jerseys worn for this game are being auctioned. All Senior Listed Players have signed and up for auction. it would appear reserve is $150 from bids made already. Proceeds are assisting Young Diggers..
Great effort by the club.
The crowd in Wellington was very low. Seems strange that they took a match there. I didn't think the Saints would lose on recent form
Bewick probably the sub? have to play Taylor with Titch and Fasolo out
So how come Pearcinald is out?
How bad is Hanley's injury? I haven't seen any news about it on the club website, so I assume that it is just a bit of soreness in the back?
Just a couple of questions on Gardiner and Goose. Is Goose currently out injured or what is the deal? I am just trying to gauge Gardiner's job security for my newly inherited side.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 01, 2014, 09:08:34 PM
Just a couple of questions on Gardiner and Goose. Is Goose currently out injured or what is the deal? I am just trying to gauge Gardiner's job security for my newly inherited side.
Goose is playing in the 2s :O Idk what Leppas plans for him are.
Weird, I hadn't noticed him on any injury reports and I would have thought he is in the best 22. With the Sauce move forward last week Patful, Clarke and Gardiner would be the 3 tall defenders and I was trying to figure where Goose fits into the equation.
Just to answer a couple of questions -
Hanley had some back soreness after training so not sure whether it is serious or a precaution - So that is why not on injury list.
Goose until 2 weeks ago was playing forward in the NEAFL, however has since reverted to organising the defence and is knocking on the door. With both Tippett and Buddy ruled out think Leppa wanted to keep the faith with Gardiner and Clarke and build games into them. He also has the option of bringing sauce back as well. if required.
Bewick or Taylor imo look the likely subs. Will be interesting to see how Cutler goes with a full game.
Hopefully the back injury isn't related to the "back Hamstring" injury
I'm amazed McGuane kept his spot ??? Am I being too harsh?
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 01, 2014, 11:02:59 PM
I'm amazed McGuane kept his spot ??? Am I being too harsh?
Dude is a dud of epic proportions
Not Harsh Rusty - Would not surprise to see Polkinghorne sub with McGuane red vested out. Think he would be on last chance this week - had been killing it in NEAFL to warrant selection but has not grasped the opportunity.
Cutler any chance of being the sub? he's named on the field.
Have seen Lions fans post somewhere before that Bewick & Lewis Taylor are more likely candidates, Ads. With Hanley out you would think that Cutler should get a good look at a full game!
Quote from: Toga on May 02, 2014, 12:04:13 AM
Have seen Lions fans post somewhere before that Bewick & Lewis Taylor are more likely candidates, Ads. With Hanley out you would think that Cutler should get a good look at a full game!
Cheers Toges, but now you'll be held responsible if Cutler starts in green. :P
Just kidding. ;)
Browny Uncut
http://www.lions.com.au/video/2014-05-01/footy-fix-browny-uncut
Got a laugh at him getting into Hampson (2:45) and Petterd (3:51)
Quote from: Adamant on May 02, 2014, 01:34:29 AM
Quote from: Toga on May 02, 2014, 12:04:13 AM
Have seen Lions fans post somewhere before that Bewick & Lewis Taylor are more likely candidates, Ads. With Hanley out you would think that Cutler should get a good look at a full game!
Cheers Toges, but now you'll be held responsible if Cutler starts in green. :P
Just kidding. ;)
Uh-oh :P
Quote from: Ringo on May 01, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
Not Harsh Rusty - Would not surprise to see Polkinghorne sub with McGuane red vested out. Think he would be on last chance this week - had been killing it in NEAFL to warrant selection but has not grasped the opportunity.
I don't understand all the Polkinghorne hate. He's not even close to the worst player Brisbane have and definitely won't be close while they have McGuane and Sam Michael (;)) on the list. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on May 02, 2014, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 01, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
Not Harsh Rusty - Would not surprise to see Polkinghorne sub with McGuane red vested out. Think he would be on last chance this week - had been killing it in NEAFL to warrant selection but has not grasped the opportunity.
I don't understand all the Polkinghorne hate. He's not even close to the worst player Brisbane have and definitely won't be close while they have McGuane and Sam Michael (;)) on the list. :P
Think Ringo was referring to McGuane above. As for Polkinghorne, he probably isn't the worst player we have, but he just hasn't developed into anything decent imo. He doesn't add too much to the team and I still feel he is a bit of a waste of space on the ground.
And that was great watching Brown's uncut vision. Got really stuck into Petterd.
Quote from: noto07 on April 23, 2014, 02:53:41 PM
Are Brisbane gonna get up for the Diggers? Or should i keep my Tip as Saints? THinking Brissy are due for a big one. Just not sure when.. Hows West doing in ruck? Surely have Hicky covered?
Yep i called it. The MAN! 8) ;)
Just wondering what fellow Brisbane supporters opinion of Leppa are after 1/3rd of the season.
Know new coaches enjoy a honeymoon period and I am really impressed with his coaching and new game plan. Has not had luck with injuries and so far imo has not made any real tactical errors and retains faith in his players.
I also really appreciate his honesty as evidenced in his press conferences.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-05-05/young-guys-not-our-worst
Very honest assessment of Swans game and saying Senior players need to stand up more and give support to the young draftees.
Whilst we may not reach position of last yar think Leppa is heading in the right direction,
Haven't been able to see too many of our games being in Victoria, so I don't really know what our game day performances have been like.
I have liked his press conferences and the way he has carried himself as coach. We have had some bad performances on the field, but that was always going to happen this year. He has done well to cover injuries and it is good to see a lot of kids getting a run.
I'm not impressed, failing to pick the strongest team every week is pissing me off. wasted $61 the other night in tickets to watch Sydney do a training run. Losing patience
I like Leppas approach tbh. Blooding lots of good rookies, we had an awesome draft IMO, and 2016/17 will be good years for us I think.
Quote from: strikes91 on May 05, 2014, 11:05:47 PM
I'm not impressed, failing to pick the strongest team every week is pissing me off. wasted $61 the other night in tickets to watch Sydney do a training run. Losing patience
Not outing the nest team on the park each week? Please explain.
I partially agree with Strikes in that some of the selections at times may be questioned. We have an injury crisis which necessitates playing our draftees earlier than usual. This will benefit us in the future as we are getting games into our youth early.
I suppose Strikes is arguing why Maguire was not recalled and that is the only one I really can not understand. However until the last 2 weeks he was being played as forward in NEAFL to try and extend his career so can partly understand this. Maguire should replace Gardiner this week though. Moloney is probably the other one but Robertson and Aish have stepped up and keeping the pressure on. Other players in NEAFL who are putting pressure on are Harwood, Crisp, Lisle and O'Brien. Archie Smith is also developing every game and will be a handy ruckman in the next 2 years.
Our forwards continue to be an issue and in fairness to the selection committee they are picking the best performed in NEAFL. Although McGuane has looked terrible prior to promotion he had kicked 9 goals in 2 weeks in the NEAFL. Suspect he will be back there this week as he has had 3 games to prove himself. This is another of Leppas policies I like giving players a reasonable run.
Was pleased to see on Saturday night the change in attitude from Golby when he came on. His attitude in the early games left a fair bit to be desired imo but a stint in the NEAFL appears to have turned that around.
Players who missed last Saturday nights game who would be in Brisbanes best 22 were Berger, Rich, Claye Beams, Hanley, Staker, Brown and possibly McGrath. Some 700 games of experience missing and this has been our problem this year losing the experience.
On the bright side with the draftees performing well when all fit there will be pressure applied for positions so this bears well fo the future.
I was also at the game Strikes and I am a club member and while at times disappointed can see the future developing as well. Again we lost this game in time on in the second quarter where Swans kicked 5.2 in time on. We were very competitive in that quarter and got within 4 points but again concentration waned,
So basically what I am saying we have to enjoy some pain now to benefit the future and so far imo Leppa is doing a reasonable job.
As I have been a Bears/Lions member since 1988 I have seen a lot of ups and downs and at the moment we are going through a rebuilding phase and I am enjoying what I am seeing from Aish, Robertson, Cutler, Mayes and Taylor. Bear in mind we have one of the youngest lists as well and will get even younger with possible retirements this year,
If we were to finish with the spoon, or 2nd last, should we consider trading our first pick for more experience? Don't really like the idea myself, but may be worth it.
I would be surprised if we were to finish that low Rich as our draw is better for second half with a number of winnable games. Melbourne, GWS, Carlton and maybe Suns at the Gabba which may lift us away from the cellar.
If we were to finish that low then yes maybe trade for a forward as we have depth in other areas. Should have traded hard to get Crameri imo but not sure whether he wanted to come to Brisbane especially with go home boys.
No one is going to want to come anytime soon unless we fork out alot of money
Quote from: Ringo on May 06, 2014, 05:19:38 PM
I would be surprised if we were to finish that low Rich as our draw is better for second half with a number of winnable games. Melbourne, GWS, Carlton and maybe Suns at the Gabba which may lift us away from the cellar.
If we were to finish that low then yes maybe trade for a forward as we have depth in other areas. Should have traded hard to get Crameri imo but not sure whether he wanted to come to Brisbane especially with go home boys.
Problem is not many forwards on the market... Best bet would be someone like Lycett from WC but would cost a fair bit for a guy who is a ruck/fwd and not proven yet (despite showing a lot). I'd say the lions would use the pick as not many available/wanting to go there. Crameri was always off to the dogs only thanks to having a relationship with Mccartney from his time at the dons.
You can take the big Q off the pies
Quote from: ossie85 on May 06, 2014, 08:56:54 PM
You can take the big Q off the pies
Haha no thanks.
Fair enough!
How about Mitch Thorp?
In all seriousness, at the start of the season I thought it'd be a wise decision to let one of Sinclair or Lycett leave in a trade. I have no doubt that these boys will both be jets in a few years time but I struggled to see how we could use them all. I just don't see us trading right now though. We are set for the next 10 years with NicNat, Lycett and Sinkers while Coxy slots in beautifully to a coaching/development role.
Of course, if you were to part with Dan Rich...
Hanley chance to be the sub?
god I hope not. No point of him playing if that was the case
They wouldn't be playing him if he wasn't 100% fit. And if he's 100% fit he wouldn't be sub.
If anything Hanley might get the red vest but not the green. You dont want someone coming back from back/hamstring injury and coming on part of the way through the game. You want them out there from the start after the warm up
Thought we played well today. Very unlucky. If it wasnt for the umpire, we should have won.
Certainly didn't lose any fans tonight.
Quote from: Big Berger on May 10, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Thought we played well today. Very unlucky. If it wasnt for the umpire, we should have won.
umpiring was bad both ways all night
Really impressed by the younger guys today, didn't give up and kept on going, kept us in the game. Rocky outstanding once again.
Quote from: GoLions16 on May 10, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
Really impressed by the younger guys today, didn't give up and kept on going, kept us in the game. Rocky outstanding once again.
Yeah, young guys were good. Looking forward to a couple of years when the boys can run out games better than they did today. Premiership 2016/17!
Although I didn't watch the game, losing to a finals contender (albeit one that's struggling atm) by <10 points isn't something that's bad.
Yeah it sucks to lose, but gotta get close before you beat em
Home from the game and a couple of basic skill errors cost us dearly. But the guys will learn
Rockliff is a flowering beast.
Quote from: Big Berger on May 10, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Thought we played well today. Very unlucky. If it wasnt for the umpire, we should have won.
Not really, we still had to take a mark in the 50 from the free if it was called back and going by what happened during the night that would of been difficult.
Sounds like both the Lions and Dees played well tonight and impressed all their fans even though they lost, they are still playing good footy
Mayes needs to go back up front and through the middle.
Agree with this one Strikes - Although Mayes got plenty of it yesterday he was all over the field. He plays his best footy when running through the middle and off half forwrad where he can take the strong mark.
Yup, Mayes is not a defender. Hopefully he won't be used down there much more.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 10, 2014, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Big Berger on May 10, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Thought we played well today. Very unlucky. If it wasnt for the umpire, we should have won.
umpiring was bad both ways all night
Yeah, true. The umpiring wasn't great.
that was sad.
Zorko and Merrett definitely sick as well. Rocky and Patfull must of been bad to get the day off over them
We only had the 2 travelling emergencies hence the two worst were replaced.
On the bright side more experience into the youngsters - We had 11 of our 22 with 20 or less games experience so was always going to be a struggle.
So for this game these players were on the sideline Rockliff, Patful, Rich. Berger, Staker and maybe McGrath and Maguire who would be in our best 22, (A total of 871 games experience on the sideline)
Will be a good game after the bye v Carlton at the Gabba and would like our chances if we play like we did last week.
Quote from: Ringo on May 17, 2014, 09:06:44 PM
We only had the 2 travelling emergencies hence the two worst were replaced.
Why?
Crisp probably played for the reserves
Quote from: ossie85 on May 17, 2014, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 17, 2014, 09:06:44 PM
We only had the 2 travelling emergencies hence the two worst were replaced.
Why?
I thought most clubs let one of the emergencies play in the reserve grade and keep 1-2 left for last minute emergencies
Quote from: ossie85 on May 17, 2014, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 17, 2014, 09:06:44 PM
We only had the 2 travelling emergencies hence the two worst were replaced.
Why?
NEAFL side are playing in Darwin tonight so a combination of factors.
Pies took 4 players to Adelaide, I find it crazy the Lions didn't have at least 3.
Remember Brisbane is the AFL financial basket club and not as financial as Pies ;) ;)
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,95443.0.html
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
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Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Yeh agree but I guess something like this virus that swept through Brisbane is a freak occurance. There's usually only one late change in games, if any. And it would be important to get game time into that 3rd emergency for the following week just in case
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Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Yeh agree but I guess something like this virus that swept through Brisbane is a freak occurance. There's usually only one late change in games, if any. And it would be important to get game time into that 3rd emergency for the following week just in case
not that freaky, happened to Essendon against freo a few weeks back and they had same problem
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Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Yeh agree but I guess something like this virus that swept through Brisbane is a freak occurance. There's usually only one late change in games, if any. And it would be important to get game time into that 3rd emergency for the following week just in case
not that freaky, happened to Essendon against freo a few weeks back and they had same problem
Ah yes very true.
Still very rare though. I think Swans also only take 2 emergencies traveling and let 1 play in the NEAFL
Just to reiterate reserves were also playing in Darwin so that probably also aided the decision to only take the 2 travelling emergencies and makes sense.
In 2 minds over whether Zorko should have been the original sub though. One part says let him play and sub later with the counter what if he is sub and does not bring the zest when subbed on. Think right decision was made though.
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2014, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Not all clubs have Eddie pouring money into the old back pocket ;)
Wish Zorko was a late out, gonna drop sooooooo much in value and he's in all my sides :(
Quote from: elephants on May 18, 2014, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2014, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Not all clubs have Eddie pouring money into the old back pocket ;)
Wish Zorko was a late out, gonna drop sooooooo much in value and he's in all my sides :(
honestly its 2 airfares and a few nights accommodation.
haha Ele was just having a little dig.
Its more the fact they can still play a game that weekend Oss and they would rarely need 2 emergencies, let alone 3.
Brown was never going to play... had to in the end
Quote from: strikes91 on May 18, 2014, 03:02:13 PM
Brown was never going to play... had to in the end
Heard that second hand Strikes but was unable to confirm. Merret also had a touch as well.
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Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2014, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Not all clubs have Eddie pouring money into the old back pocket ;)
Wish Zorko was a late out, gonna drop sooooooo much in value and he's in all my sides :(
honestly its 2 airfares and a few nights accommodation.
You offering to foot the bill mate? ;)
Quote from: elephants on May 18, 2014, 04:33:39 PM
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Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Not all clubs have Eddie pouring money into the old back pocket ;)
Wish Zorko was a late out, gonna drop sooooooo much in value and he's in all my sides :(
honestly its 2 airfares and a few nights accommodation.
You offering to foot the bill mate? ;)
Collingwood already are :P
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Quote from: Ricochet on May 18, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Yeh not that uncommon Oss. WA teams only send over 2 travelling emergencies usually so the 3rd can still play in the WAFL that wkend
it's a risky tactic
Not all clubs have Eddie pouring money into the old back pocket ;)
Wish Zorko was a late out, gonna drop sooooooo much in value and he's in all my sides :(
honestly its 2 airfares and a few nights accommodation.
You offering to foot the bill mate? ;)
Collingwood already are :P
For the non-Eddie funded clubs mate ;)
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2014, 06:41:29 AM
Pies took 4 players to Adelaide, I find it crazy the Lions didn't have at least 3.
Pies were playing Thursday night though so there was enough time to fly the emergencies back to play in the VFL. If the interstate clubs flew 3 emergencies every week it would mean players would be regularly missing out on a match altogether.
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 19, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 18, 2014, 06:41:29 AM
Pies took 4 players to Adelaide, I find it crazy the Lions didn't have at least 3.
Pies were playing Thursday night though so there was enough time to fly the emergencies back to play in the VFL. If the interstate clubs flew 3 emergencies every week it would mean players would be regularly missing out on a match altogether.
What's the point in naming 3 though?
Think Oss according to AFL rules we have to name 3 emergencies. The gastro/flu was an unexpected occurrence and that caused problems. Our plans as I understand it Brown was not going to play and Close was the cover with Golby to cover any other outs which in the normal cause of events is usually sufficient and has been for us for a few seasons.
We do have exceptions when reserves are not playing though and take more. One of the disadvantages of a decentralised competition and having your reserves playing in the NEAFL.
No gastro for rockliff... tonsillitis
Quote from: strikes91 on May 21, 2014, 07:36:10 PM
No gastro for rockliff... tonsillitis
i hope right for round 11 :-X
Strikes have you got a link confirmiomg tonsolitis for Rocky. Bupa report still said Gastro as did my tweets so just wondering if something else came out.
Quote from: Ringo on May 22, 2014, 08:14:39 AM
Strikes have you got a link confirmiomg tonsolitis for Rocky. Bupa report still said Gastro as did my tweets so just wondering if something else came out.
Tom Rockliff @rockwiz38 May 20
@WarnieDT I had tonsillitis so just a couple not gastro
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No gastro for rockliff... tonsillitis
i hope right for round 11 :-X
will be all good, pics of him at training the other day
Zac O'Brien has been elevated to the senior list.
Quote from: Ricochet on May 29, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
Zac O'Brien has been elevated to the senior list.
Damn, I was hoping they'd go with Jordon Bourke. :(
O'Brien's good though, he was a great pick up for Brissie.
ZOB! ABOUT FLOWERING TIME.
Named!
GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN GUN
We had a win and it was great.
Should there be changes next week. I would recall Cutler for either Golby or Harwood neither set the world on fire and Cutler was one of best in NEAFL.
O'Brien will not be dropped.
Bewick is another option based on NEAFL form but not sure who he would replace.
Ruck will be the issue and suspect it will be Stefan as Archie is still very raw but then may be worth using his rawness to see how he goes.
Don't think Harwood should be dropped after one game. Had killed it in the NEAFL all season so deserves more than 1 game to show he is up for it. But you all know my feelings towards Harwood ;)
I would drop Golby before Harwood myself HB and have said so but for some reason he seems to escape the axe. Gardiner is a KPP so he is OK but imo Harwood much better than Golby and Cutler is working well as well.
I think maybe only 1 change and forced Martin in for West. Golby may lose his spot to Cutler but I doubt it.
Thoughts on Beams??
Beams is slowly regaining form after his injury start to the season - Would have liked to see him gain more match fitness in the NEAFL to be honest as he is drifting in and out at the moment. Yesterday was solid in first quarter and then virtually unsighted till late in 3rd and 4th quarters. Will be given every opportunity to retain place in the team as he is well thought of the club and has better junior stats than his brother.
Not too sure whether to get him in to my team. Was considering him until a slower day yesterday
Rumor on big footy that Harwood wants out..
seems bizarre but possible. Homesickness wont be the problem.
Think Harwood is contracted for next year so trade would have to be negotiated.
Hope we do not give away early picks as there are 2 tall forwards that I would not mind in the draft. Hope we draft one as Brownies replacement.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-06-02/lions-ruck-replacements
Interesting write up on the choice of Rucks Martin, Smith or Michael. Martin would appear to have inside running on experience but if you listen to Leppas press conference he is excited by Smith so may surprise, as the article says big task for ever is named to come up against big Will Minson this weekend.
If Smith gets the nod sets us an exciting posible confrontation of the two exciting talents Smith v Daw in 2 weeks time.
Would absolutely adore a Cutler re-call. Also looking at bringing in ZOB a week early so I hope he holds his spot!
Not expecting ZOB to be sub this week either.
Beams looks slow at the end so maybe he might get the green vest.
Golby and Harwood as well if they keep their spot
Any chance Tommy Cutler will be recalled? Wouldn't mind a cutler more games - price rises - from him :P
Haha I really hate having Gardiner as my back EMG in DT, COME BACK CUTTS!
Minson, Mumford and Sandilands the next 3 weeks.
Hit outs galore coming up
@Toga and Elephants
Cutler handled his demotion well and was the second best player behind Bewick in the NEAFL on saturday.
I have expressed my views on Golby and i would like nothing more from a Brisbane point of view for Cutler to replace Golby.
Quote from: strikes91 on June 03, 2014, 07:49:42 AM
Minson, Mumford and Sandilands the next 3 weeks.
Hit outs galore coming up
Wow didn't realise this. Gonna have to look into some SC betting.
Awesome would be very handy to have him back, cheers Ringo :)
Quote from: Ricochet on June 03, 2014, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 03, 2014, 07:49:42 AM
Minson, Mumford and Sandilands the next 3 weeks.
Hit outs galore coming up
Wow didn't realise this. Gonna have to look into some SC betting.
Oh boy, this could get interesting.
Thanks Ringo.
Golby has dropped off an absolute ton, really surprised too. I thought you had a future back premo on your hands there.
Boys where is McStay at in terms of development? Any chance of games this year?
Quote from: Ricochet on June 03, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
Boys where is McStay at in terms of development? Any chance of games this year?
He needs to work on his attack on the ball as he is very inconsistent in this regard. Is being used at both ends of the ground as part of his development. A little behind Cutler and Gardiner in terms of development so can not see him getting too many games this year unless injuries and tiredness intervene.
Quote from: Ringo on June 03, 2014, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 03, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
Boys where is McStay at in terms of development? Any chance of games this year?
He needs to work on his attack on the ball as he is very inconsistent in this regard. Is being used at both ends of the ground as part of his development. A little behind Cutler and Gardiner in terms of development so can not see him getting too many games this year unless injuries and tiredness intervene.
ok, thanks mate
My uncle has taken a step into footy journalism,
http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-lions-and-the-case-for-a-priority-pick/ (http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-lions-and-the-case-for-a-priority-pick/)
Quite an interesting read, arguing why the Lions should get a priority pick. What do other Brisbane supporters think of this? I like the idea.
Not really a fan of priority picks as there is still the possibility of them going home.
I really would like to see this idea introduced but do not see it getrting passed.
If after 2 years a drafted player wanting out of a club - The club receiving must give up its corresponding draft pick to that of the draft pick used.
eg Port, Carlton and Saint Kilda would have to have give their first round draft picks to secure these players. Highly unlikely they would have done that and we would still have these players.
Similarly West Coast and Collingwood would have had to give their second round picks for Karnezis and Yeo.
It is far too easy imo for players to use the go home factor after being developed for far less then what we can obtain.
If they weren't going to give Melbourne a Priority pick in 2013 they certainly won't give it to Brisbane now.
I mean with a stack of injuries, you've still beaten St.Kilda and Carlton and sent Essendon to the edge with 2 very winnable games of football to come.
You can't really argue that players leaving for less than they're worth is why you should get a priority pick. As Ringo said that indicates a problem with the system the AFL uses instead
Quote from: Ringo on June 04, 2014, 09:13:16 AM
Not really a fan of priority picks as there is still the possibility of them going home.
I really would like to see this idea introduced but do not see it getrting passed.
If after 2 years a drafted player wanting out of a club - The club receiving must give up its corresponding draft pick to that of the draft pick used.
eg Port, Carlton and Saint Kilda would have to have give their first round draft picks to secure these players. Highly unlikely they would have done that and we would still have these players.
Similarly West Coast and Collingwood would have had to give their second round picks for Karnezis and Yeo.
It is far too easy imo for players to use the go home factor after being developed for far less then what we can obtain.
From memory Yeo was pick 30 and we have ya pick 27 ;)
Quote from: elephants on June 04, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 04, 2014, 09:13:16 AM
Not really a fan of priority picks as there is still the possibility of them going home.
I really would like to see this idea introduced but do not see it getrting passed.
If after 2 years a drafted player wanting out of a club - The club receiving must give up its corresponding draft pick to that of the draft pick used.
eg Port, Carlton and Saint Kilda would have to have give their first round draft picks to secure these players. Highly unlikely they would have done that and we would still have these players.
Similarly West Coast and Collingwood would have had to give their second round picks for Karnezis and Yeo.
It is far too easy imo for players to use the go home factor after being developed for far less then what we can obtain.
From memory Yeo was pick 30 and we have ya pick 27 ;)
Also Polec was at the club for 3 years, so would escape your rule too ;)
Thanks guys for comments and yes there are a few possible variations but thinking out loud as a possible resolution as I am dead against priority picks.
Maybe some contract renewal periods could be factored in, This just goes to say how difficult this resolution is going to be.
O'Brien should get a full game?
Yeah, probably. I think Bewick will be sub.
Bewick would be my favourite for the sub this week as well. martin has only 2 games back in the NEAFL and with going up against Minson he may be subbed out with Rog rucking for rest of game. If this is the case Bewick is the logical sub.
Even Taylor is a possibility
Would depend on structure required as one is the replacement for Paine and Bewick at 11cm taller than Taylor he may get the job with Taylor sub.
Wow. Great win tonight, we showed a lot of guts and we're really hard in at the football. That second quarter was by far the best we have played all year!
I'll post a few thoughts on the game tomorrow.
Bewick and Martin were fantastic
Sorry Rohan for even suggesting you should have been sub brought your a game tonight and well done.
Stefan you matched big Will all night and won some contested ball - Keep it going because you have Mumford and Sandi in the next 2 weeks.
Would be great if we could play 4 quarters like our second quarter. Was great to watch.
Game was a great open game but both teams lacked composure in the inside the forward 50 and need to be improved if we are to match top teams. The tackling by both sides was fierce as evidenced by the tackle count of 167 for the match.
Need to keep this intensity up next Saturday Night against the improving GWS - A win against GWS can not be taken for granted in their present form.
The Saints will ve going for the Lions for sure
Bewick and Martin were fantastic last night. Bewick was everywhere and BOG and Martin was a handful for Minson in the ruck.
The second quarter was amazing. Our pace was electric and we used the ball well up forward.
The Mosquito Fleet showed how good they can be last night. The pressure that those three put on was huge.
I hope Golby gets dropped. He looks like he has no confidence in his game. His first instinct every time he got the ball was to go backwards or find someone 10m away. He needs to go back to the NEAFL for a few weeks.
100% agree on Golby BB thought he would continue upwards after last year but not sure what is wrong with him as he appears to alo have an attitude problem at the moment.
Was surprised he kept spot over both Harwood and Cutler as I would play both before Golby.
Influence of Brownie on game should not be underestimated either given the goals that were scored as a result of the contested marking tussles.
Hi Folks. Was wondering whether Taylor was badly injured yesterday. Any word? :-\
Quote from: Frankfaust1 on June 08, 2014, 02:47:19 PM
Hi Folks. Was wondering whether Taylor was badly injured yesterday. Any word? :-\
Yeah apparently injured his calf, but pretty sure he was playing at the end of the game? Not 100% sure on that, but I'd say he's fine. Wouldn't be surprised if he was given a week off though considering he came into the side round 1 with an injury interrupted pre-season and has played every game
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 08, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: Frankfaust1 on June 08, 2014, 02:47:19 PM
Hi Folks. Was wondering whether Taylor was badly injured yesterday. Any word? :-\
Yeah apparently injured his calf, but pretty sure he was playing at the end of the game? Not 100% sure on that, but I'd say he's fine. Wouldn't be surprised if he was given a week off though considering he came into the side round 1 with an injury interrupted pre-season and has played every game
He's been a great servant this year. I pulled the pin yesterday, but was watching how he went to second guess whether I made a good or a bad call LOL. ::) Makes no difference at all anymore, of course, but I've been trying to hang on to this year's good'un's as long as possible.
Quote from: Frankfaust1 on June 08, 2014, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 08, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: Frankfaust1 on June 08, 2014, 02:47:19 PM
Hi Folks. Was wondering whether Taylor was badly injured yesterday. Any word? :-\
Yeah apparently injured his calf, but pretty sure he was playing at the end of the game? Not 100% sure on that, but I'd say he's fine. Wouldn't be surprised if he was given a week off though considering he came into the side round 1 with an injury interrupted pre-season and has played every game
He's been a great servant this year. I pulled the pin yesterday, but was watching how he went to second guess whether I made a good or a bad call LOL. ::) Makes no difference at all anymore, of course, but I've been trying to hang on to this year's good'un's as long as possible.
If he hurt his calf he'll probably be facing 1-2 on the sidelines... I hurt mine playing sport recently, and you can play out the game, but even for a minor injury it hurts like shower for the next week.
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Quote from: Frankfaust1 on June 08, 2014, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 08, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: Frankfaust1 on June 08, 2014, 02:47:19 PM
Hi Folks. Was wondering whether Taylor was badly injured yesterday. Any word? :-\
Yeah apparently injured his calf, but pretty sure he was playing at the end of the game? Not 100% sure on that, but I'd say he's fine. Wouldn't be surprised if he was given a week off though considering he came into the side round 1 with an injury interrupted pre-season and has played every game
He's been a great servant this year. I pulled the pin yesterday, but was watching how he went to second guess whether I made a good or a bad call LOL. ::) Makes no difference at all anymore, of course, but I've been trying to hang on to this year's good'un's as long as possible.
If he hurt his calf he'll probably be facing 1-2 on the sidelines... I hurt mine playing sport recently, and you can play out the game, but even for a minor injury it hurts like shower for the next week.
Looked like an ankle injury to me actually. He limped off pretty bad, but he got it strapped and looked fine 5 minutes later. He was still running strong at the end of the game, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it.
Browny likely to travel to perth in 2 weeks or stay in brissie ?
Cannot believe the Golby drop off, I almost jumped on him as a breakout contender down back!
Jumping all over the big Stef this week!
You are not alone in that one Elle especially with a R/F Dpp. Handy to sit at F7 and with Burger still 6/8 weeks away will take us to finals.
@ Strikes would not surprise as we really have nothing to gain by playing him against Freo.
Gonna be looking at Stefan very closely as well. How far away is any ruck competition for his spot?
Berger is 6/8 weeks away, West gone for the season and both Michael and Archie Smith still on the rookie list. If Martin produces a few more of these games he can sit on my forward bench at F7 and interchange with Thuirlow if required for me. Will more than likely make some cash as well.
Yeh I'm thinking about going HMac down to him. Watching my trades very closely though so need him to have a good run at it
And has some stiff oppo coming up so might just wait to see how he goes this week
If he does well against Mummy this week have to consider before price rise although will be up against Sandi the week after,
http://www.lions.com.au/video/2014-06-11/cribs-with-the-mozzies
Squizzy sure does love his BBQ sauce hahaha
Hahaha poor Bewick. Going through these jumpers 'never been worn'...
Ah c`mon how the hell did Cutler not get in the team this week
Quote from: luvfooty on June 12, 2014, 06:40:19 PM
Ah c`mon how the hell did Cutler not get in the team this week
I have no flowering clue.
Triple brickbats to Leppa on this - Golby must have something strong going on to retain his place. Appears totally disinterested at times.
Golby being a complete potato again this week.
Wake the flower up Leppa and put Cutler in next week
You guys are going to be in real trouble next year with no Browny
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 14, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
You guys are going to be in real trouble next year with no Browny
They'll be fine, they have Luke McGuane.
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 14, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
You guys are going to be in real trouble next year with no Browny
They'll be fine, they have Luke McGuane.
Where was he tonight?
Who tagged Rocky & Zorko?
Quote from: Vinny on June 14, 2014, 10:44:39 PM
Who tagged Rocky & Zorko?
Rocky was going head-to-head with Shiel who beat him easily tonight.
Tom Bugg had Zorko.
Hopefully the boys find a new club next year when this pathetic excuse folds. 12,000....
Thanks
Only real positive from the game was the form of squizzy Taylor.
One of the few games I have been tempted to leave early but stayed. (Only ever felt like this only about a dozen times over 25 years).
Game summary for lions:
1. Poor Discipline (2 direct goals from stupid free kicks given away. Golby I hope yours sends you back to reserves)
2, Poor decision making. On three occasions Green was on his own down the field and all that was required was a long kick and his pace would have done the rest but no we tried to finess and switch play causing turnovers and goals.
3. Poor accountability - Giants scored 5 goals from stoppages in the forward 50 including 2 from 20 metres which should not be on.
4. Poor tackling pressure. Giants really showed the way here and tackled us out of the game. How someone can go through three defenders without a hand laid on him is beyond me. Happened on 2 occasions.
5. Switching off in Red Zone. After improvement in this area over the last 2 weeks we again went back to bad habits. Really evident in the 2nd quarter where we had a strong lead but 3 goals to GWS in red zone puleed them back to the one point lead at half time.
We were saying after the first 5 minutes that Brisbane was not on their game and how true this was.
@ Kilbluff we will be targeting in trade period. I am sure Patton or Cameron would enjoy the Qld sunshine.
still annoyed by the effort, worst match of the year even in front of the north and power matches.
As you can see by my comments before summary strikes I am with you. Not often tempted to leave before the siren but was on Saturday night.
Strikes where do you sit at the Gabba as I am interested to see if you agree with my comments in 2, I probably see more as my seat is in the upper section of the Southern Grandstand.
Quote from: Ringo on June 16, 2014, 11:23:47 AM
As you can see by my comments before summary strikes I am with you. Not often tempted to leave before the siren but was on Saturday night.
Strikes where do you sit at the Gabba as I am interested to see if you agree with my comments in 2, I probably see more as my seat is in the upper section of the Southern Grandstand.
Not a seated member but usually sit on the elbow near the away bay. I agree with your comment, most noticeable was a kick from paparone that was over the side that I thought was stupid when he had an easier option deeper.
Jonathan Brown should not be allowed to play anymore games this season.
Mailman I reckon Brown has earned the right to go out on his own terms. If he wants to play another couple of games and go out as befitting a man of his standing I am ok with that. Club is rightfully leaving decision to him. has been cleared of any damage from bump and will complete compulsory concussion test this week.
Third child due this week as well which may effect decision as well. Another son would be great.
Eventually Leppitsch has to put Brown's welfare above whether he wants to play.
If he physically could I'm sure he's play till he's 100, but its sickening seeing him get K.O'ed 2-3 times a year for the past 3-4 years of his career.
He's a befitting champion, but a champion who's possible reality is that he won't be able to function past 60 years old due to brain damage.
Personally I think mailman he will play one or 2 more games at the Gabba with the final one being announced as his final game. Game against the Suns on July 26th imo would be a fitting game to play as final game after announcing retirement.
Quote from: Ringo on June 17, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Mailman I reckon Brown has earned the right to go out on his own terms.
People always say that about the legends, but it should never be the case.
Quote from: Ringo on June 17, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
Mailman I reckon Brown has earned the right to go out on his own terms. If he wants to play another couple of games and go out as befitting a man of his standing I am ok with that. Club is rightfully leaving decision to him. has been cleared of any damage from bump and will complete compulsory concussion test this week.
Third child due this week as well which may effect decision as well. Another son would be great.
Little girl confirmed by Browny on the footy show.
Jack will just have to do in 19 years time
How low can the Lions go? #no1draftpick
Yeah, what can we do? I think if we get the premiership teams back together we'll play better than we did last night tbh :(
Saints pretty much have spoon locked imo, although when you look retrospectively picks 1-10 are all even
Don't worry about what pick you get, isn't a guarantee anyway.
In fact you'd almost want pick #2, doesn't get nearly as much pressure for the player or the club
Put it into perspective we were playing now a Top 4 team with a young team and whilst I would expect a loss i was disappointed with the extent of the loss.
However when analysing the playing staff last night we had
5 players who have played less than 10 games (Robertson. O'Brien, Cutler, Gardiner and Close)
a further 3 players with less than 25 games played (Taylor, Beams and Paporone) and
a further 4 players with less than 50 games experience (Clarke, Mayes, Harwood, Green)
so 12 of our 22 had less than 50 games experience.
So we were always going to be on a hiding to nothing and umpiring did not help us either.
Experience gained now will be invaluable and as Leppa said in his press conference he asked the players what they learnt from Freo who are undoubtedly the best defensive team in the league.
We are in desperate need of some bigger bodies. Any chance of Moloney coming back into the team?
@Darbium - Has not been in top form in the 2's so can not see in the immediate future. Robertson and O'Brien are keeping him out atm and they are not among the worst performers in seniors. Raines is also languishing in 2's as well.
Couple of interesting articles here concerning AFL treatment of NSW and Qld. Eddie Maguire now wants unrestricted access to our acadamies for crying out loud.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/leigh-matthews-says-afl-does-not-fathom-it-has-four-expansion-clubs-in-queensland-and-nsw-20140622-zshy8.html
http://thelionsroar.net/
have also made comments in this thread but expecting some backlash.,
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,97082.0.html
Suggestions Brown will retire. Press conference is a bit later today
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-23/brown-to-quit
Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane 16m
Brisbane Lions have placed Daniel Rich on the long-term injury list with Zac O'Brien now upgraded in his place from the rookie list.
Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane 18m
Brisbane Lions have re-instated Patrick Wearden to the senior list from the long-term injury list.
Interesting decisions here Wearden was tearing it up in the reserves prior to injury and is another forward mid so could get a game before season end as rookies tire.
O'Brien as a mature aged rookie should be safe for rest of year and appears to have passed both Moloney and Raines.
Can still promote Michael or Archie Smith if required.
Browny walking out to the boys after the win ;D
Great game last night but the win papered over some cracks as well. We only scored 2.8 in 3/4 of football. Whatever Leppa said to the boys at 1/4 time needs to be bottled because they were virtually unstoppable in the 2nd quarter after a pathetic 1st quarter,
The food and drink outlets must have been very quiet at half time because I do not think too many of the crowd left their seats for the Brownie retirement lap of honour and presentation. Was great to see his 2 children join the lap of honour even youngest son tried to walk a fair bit of the way. Crowd of just under 16k was a little disappointing but weather may have effected this.
On the game itself think we did our best to lose the game in the final quarter kicking 5 behinds three of which should have been easily converted. (The usually reliable McGrath missed one). North were aided by some dubious umpiring in the second half. Regardless of whether you are a Brisbane supporter or not think most would agree Zorko should have had at least 3 free kicks paid to him in the second half.
Close looked as though he belonged last night and may take that CHF role going forward. Took a few contested possessions and kicked a goal. Merret showed he will be a great stay at home forward but needs to work on kicking efficiency. The mosquito squadron seem to be starting to click and are crumbing around Close and Merrett.
Bewick continues to impress and although was a loose run with role really curbed Boomer Harveys run.
Patful continues to be underestimated by teams. He was left on a number of occasions as loos man in defence enabling to take marks and get us out of trouble. Was surprised Clarke lined up on Petrie and this will be a nice learning curve for the youngster as he needs to be aware of following the ball when it goes over the back.
Beams finally showing some form and what a player he will be if he can stay healthy. Aish came back from his "rest" and put together another strong game and he will be a star of the future.
Martin again showed he can cover the ground and some of his tap work was outstanding. Looking forward to the Berger/Martin combination in a couple of weeks. Martin may have made it hard for West with his efforts over recent weeks.
The team were lead by the guiding hands of Reddan, Rocky, Adcock and Hanley undoubtedly having his best game of the season.
Need to keep building on this effort and success may be not be as far off as we think.
All in all great to be a part of the night and Brownies farewell and I just finally saw a replay of him joing in the final team song with gusto.
Some rumors out rocky called harvey a fag.
sheesh. this world
A word that goes thrown around waaay too much.
Bloody lift Rocky if this allegation is true.
I think I used it a few times last week.
North have brought this out because scott was in trouble for apporaching
Obviously Rocky crossed a line, but I think this has been blown way out of proportion. In my experiences, I think society has changed the meaning of the word "faggot" so that in now no longer means "gay", but is just used as an insult like "asshole", "dickhead" etc. Kinda like how the word "gay" has basically been changed from "happy" to "homosexual"
Quote from: GoLions16 on July 01, 2014, 12:25:21 AM
Obviously Rocky crossed a line, but I think this has been blown way out of proportion. In my experiences, I think society has changed the meaning of the word "faggot" so that in now no longer means "gay", but is just used as an insult like "asshole", "dickhead" etc. Kinda like how the word "gay" has basically been changed from "happy" to "homosexual"
that's a poor argument. There's completely different implications for appropriating an adjective into a noun (therefore saying the noun is exemplified by the adjective) and appropriating a noun into an adjective (therefore saying the adjective is exemplified by the noun).
The use of fag or faggot derogratively to mean like 'asshole', 'dickhead' or also to mean like 'you suck' (as it's also commonly used to indicate someone is inferior) basically equates a person's sexual orientation to be the same thing as an 'asshole', 'dickhead' or being inferior. Homophobic language should really be cracked down on the same level as racist, and attitudes against a harder stance is probably a contributing factor as to why there are no openly gay past or present AFL players.
That being said, who flowering knows what rockliff said, it's all just conjecture unless rockliff or boomer come forward and say what it was... the fact that neither of them are though probably means it was something a bit more socially inappropriate than just calling boomer shower or something.
Rocky screwed up lets face it, you just can't go there anymore regardless of intent. He knows it, he said sorry afterwards and then rang Boomer yesterday to make sure the apology had got to Boomer on the night which i think is good of him, far better to call Boomer and give it first hand than come from someone else. It doesn't make it any less wrong but the young blokes owning it
which is good to see.
I also don't think an apposing coach should ever approach an opposition player after a game if there has been a dispute/argument
or something unsavory happening before during or after a game there's way to much testosterone in the veins still and could very easily get ugly, Scott believes he has the right but he's clearly wrong it shouldn't happen and he should know better, fine to go up and congratulate a player on a milestone or retirement etc but not after a dispute of some kind. He can support his player by making a phone call or waiting till the heat has gone out of the situation but not straight after the event and to do it while his old team mate was giving a speech was poor form regardless of how he dresses it up or down.
Shame all this has taken a bit of gloss off a moment that should of been all about Browny.
Just remember it is all hearsay at the moment because neither Boomer or Rocky have disclosed what was said. Obviously something that Rocky said got under Boomers skin. They both shook hands at thge end of the much and that should have been the end of it as "what goes on on the field stays on the field." but Scott by his actions inflamed the situation.
We all know Boomer has a fair bit to say on the field and Saturday night was a continuation of something that went on between Boomer and Rocky when they last played so the history is there but in that case it stayed on the field.
Rocky is still only 23 and will learn from the experience in dealing with these vibes on field.
In no way condoning what Rockliff said if it was socially inappropriate then he should wear any fall out but only he and Boomer know what was said.
My god we are far too precious these days. Hope something as little as this doesn't blow up
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-30/rockliff-incident-not-closed
Looks like it is being blown up Rico as the AFL are to talk to Lions and Roos today.
Haha the AFL put up an entire article about Dustin Martin's speeding fine when he was going 105 in a 100 zone.
Anything can be made into a story these days ::)
Is this for real? That game should have been all out about Browny.
What happened on the field stays between Rocky and Boomer IMO. Scott didn't need to get involved, it is the reason the issue has blown up. Can't believe this, it's not even a big deal. Not a good move by Rocky but really disappointing it's overshadowing Browny's farewell.
In other news Browny has pulled on the Coaches Polo this morning
http://t.co/GwBj3O5XMj
Not sure how long the gig lasts but great to see
Rocky is giving $1000 to a charity of his choice. Hopefully thats the end of it
Club Statement
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-07-01/club-statement-rockliff
After discussions between the Brisbane Lions Football Club and the AFL in relation to an incident involving Tom Rockliff and North Melbourne's Brent Harvey at the end of Saturday night's game, Tom has decided to make a $1000 donation to a charity of his choice.
Tom has acknowledged he made an inappropriate comment to Brent last Saturday night and takes full responsibility for his actions.
Tom apologised to Brent on the field on Saturday night, and again yesterday by phone to make sure that apology was received - and Brent assured him that it was.
The Brisbane Lions remain committed to ensuring that all players behave respectfully and in line with club values at all times.
The AFL has been kept informed at all times and has informed the Brisbane Lions FC and Tom that it is satisfied with the action taken on this matter.
Exclusive to lions.com.au
Quote from: Ringo on July 01, 2014, 11:00:26 AM
In other news Browny has pulled on the Coaches Polo this morning
http://t.co/GwBj3O5XMj
Not sure how long the gig lasts but great to see
leppa to scared to lay that hand on browny
1000 big ones? Loose change ;)
Birmingham still loves you Rocky
Guess whose Birthday it is today ;)
At a guess would say Sammy Michael seeing you asked?
How was McStay on the weekend fellas, how long do you expect him to stay in the side?
Quote from: Vinny on July 07, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
How was McStay on the weekend fellas, how long do you expect him to stay in the side?
Solid I thought,
(http://i.imgur.com/cDA5tfy.png)
Who did that involve above.
Quote from: Grazz on July 09, 2014, 01:28:43 AM
Who did that involve above.
Can't make out really.
Looks like Daniel Jackson from the Tiges, not sure who the Brissie player is though.
Looks a bit like Rohan Bewick and Reece Conca to me. Not really sure though.
Shane Edwards/Ricky Petterd and Rohan Bewick
Definitely not Shane Edwards lol :P
Looks like Petterd, Conca or maybe Jackson.
Not good whoever was involved.
Quote from: Grazz on July 09, 2014, 07:11:32 PM
Not good whoever was involved.
bemused on how they pick out rockliffs nudge and miss a elbow to the head. ::)
Quote from: strikes91 on July 09, 2014, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on July 09, 2014, 07:11:32 PM
Not good whoever was involved.
bemused on how they pick out rockliffs nudge and miss a elbow to the head. ::)
With the ump being close by aswell.
Quote from: Toga on July 09, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
Definitely not Shane Edwards lol :P
Looks like Petterd, Conca or maybe Jackson.
Yeah, it's either Petterd or Jackson. Looks like the second number on the back of the guernsey is a 3.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-10/rocky-needs-to-be-smarter
Dunno where to post this here but this thread looks alright.
NOTO VS GOLIONS DP BET THIS WEEKEND GET ROWDY.
Quote from: elephants on July 10, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
Dunno where to post this here but this thread looks alright.
NOTO VS GOLIONS DP BET THIS WEEKEND GET ROWDY.
Wait what? :o
What changes should be made next week? DO we keep Close, who wasn't up to standard, or do we want to give him more games. I would like Jono Freeman to get a few games.
Our main problem this week was not being able to hit the scoreboard. If we had converted some of those chances we had we would have won.
Quote from: Big Berger on July 13, 2014, 08:24:07 AM
What changes should be made next week? DO we keep Close, who wasn't up to standard, or do we want to give him more games. I would like Jono Freeman to get a few games.
Our main problem this week was not being able to hit the scoreboard. If we had converted some of those chances we had we would have won.
we have the bye next week, Close has to stay he's going to be our main forward. Rockliff can nearly pin that loss on himself with a stupid suspension saying that he'll most likely come in for beams or paparone. Crisp in for mcstay are my changes
Quote from: NigeyS on July 10, 2014, 06:42:50 PM
Quote from: elephants on July 10, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
Dunno where to post this here but this thread looks alright.
NOTO VS GOLIONS DP BET THIS WEEKEND GET ROWDY.
Wait what? :o
Yeah I lost. Awaiting the link for new DP as we speak.
is the Beams injury serious? i traded out N O'Brien instead if Acres >:(
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 13, 2014, 01:05:21 PM
is the Beams injury serious? i traded out N O'Brien instead if Acres >:(
what did he do?
Hurt is knee in 3rd quarter and was iced so not sure how serious. Will await reports but we have the bye next week so he may be OK.
Regarding Close I think we have to persevere with him as he will be important as going forward. It was only his kicking that let him down last night but he was not alone in that regard.
If Beams not up then Rocky for Beams straight swap and then I would look at bringing in Crisp for McStay, Gardiner or Paparone.
Any chance ZOB will come back into the side? hope not since I want to take SJ's score for the loophole. :P
Quote from: Adamant on July 19, 2014, 09:58:30 PM
Any chance ZOB will come back into the side? hope not since I want to take SJ's score for the loophole. :P
Probably not. Leppitsch may only make 1 change with Rockliff coming in
Lads any chance Darcy Gardiner will be dropped? Really wanna take Harry Taylors 110 in DT :p
Can not see it Ele. Is a key defender atm Only chance is if Leppa wants to move Sauce back which I can not see.
Ah crap, no worries thanks mate!
Quote from: Adamant on July 19, 2014, 09:58:30 PM
Any chance ZOB will come back into the side? hope not since I want to take SJ's score for the loophole. :P
lol same mate
Quote from: Ringo on July 20, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
Can not see it Ele. Is a key defender atm Only chance is if Leppa wants to move Sauce back which I can not see.
After listening to Leppa this week there may be a slight chance Gardiner may be dropped but we will know on Thursday. Leppa rates McStay ahead of Gardiner.
Oh lordy, that would be outstanding! Thanks mate
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-07-21/lions-lock-away-duo
Bewick signs on for an extra year, Robbo signs on for two
Good to see the signings and getting Depth back. Robbo the obvious replacement for Moloney who should be delisted and Bewick gives us depth and has made of his oportunities with the injuries this year. Hard to fit both into our best 22 but solid depth building.
Great to see the signings so far with Robbo and Bewick joining Mayes, Rocky, Reddan, Green. Beams and Close in re-signing.
Robbo first of last years drafts to sign now to get Aish, Taylor, Gardiner. McStay and others.
Quote from: Ringo on July 21, 2014, 12:43:46 PM
Good to see the signings and getting Depth back. Robbo the obvious replacement for Moloney who should be delisted and Bewick gives us depth and has made of his oportunities with the injuries this year. Hard to fit both into our best 22 but solid depth building.
Great to see the signings so far with Robbo and Bewick joining Mayes, Rocky, Reddan, Green. Mayes, Beams and Close in re-signing.
Robbo first of last years drafts to sign now to get Aish, Taylor, Gardiner. McStay and others.
Mayes is that good we re-signed him twice ;)
Bris Lions v GC Suns; Rockliff, Crisp in for Golby, Paparone. Russell, Cameron in for Murphy, Kolodjashnij.
Surprised Paparone dropped but Crisp has certainly earned a promotion. So does this mean we see less of Zorko in the mids this week.
Quote from: Ricochet on July 21, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: Adamant on July 19, 2014, 09:58:30 PM
Any chance ZOB will come back into the side? hope not since I want to take SJ's score for the loophole. :P
lol same mate
8)
Quote from: Adamant on July 24, 2014, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 21, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: Adamant on July 19, 2014, 09:58:30 PM
Any chance ZOB will come back into the side? hope not since I want to take SJ's score for the loophole. :P
lol same mate
8)
Just remember he is still named as an emergency so need to keep an eye out for late changes but at least you can change before game.
Quote from: Ringo on July 21, 2014, 12:43:46 PM
Good to see the signings and getting Depth back. Robbo the obvious replacement for Moloney who should be delisted and Bewick gives us depth and has made of his oportunities with the injuries this year. Hard to fit both into our best 22 but solid depth building.
Great to see the signings so far with Robbo and Bewick joining Mayes, Rocky, Reddan, Green. Beams and Close in re-signing.
Robbo first of last years drafts to sign now to get Aish, Taylor, Gardiner. McStay and others.
Maybe we should use Moloney as trade bait instead? Surely someone will want him. May not get much for him though :-X
Do mot think we will get much for Moloney as he will be 31 in January. Maybe GWS but can not see any one wanting him.
Think we should use our draft picks well especially first pick would be happy with McCartin, Durdin, Petracca or Wright to develop for life after Brown.
Having Moloney play in the NEAFL the whole season doesn't exactly help his value as trade bait.
Yeah typically players traded to a third club don't carry much currency
Paparone re-signed until end of 2016 :)
Great News what a group of re-signings to rebuild club around.
Players who have re-signed this year:
Daniel Rich
Matthew Leuenberger
Pearce Hanley
Tom Rockliff
Jack Redden
Joshua Green
Sam Mayes
Michael Close
Nick Robertson
Rohan Bewick
Claye Beams.
Ryan Lester
Marco Paparone
Need to tie up our draftees now.
what are your thoughts on the game this weekend Ringo? i cant believe Melbourne are favorites
Will be a low scoring game as both teams have a mind set to restrict scoring. Not a betting man myself but would consider this to be an even bet. In the local press 3 Tipsters favour Brisbane and 2 favour Melbourne. Melbourne have not won at Etihad for ages and Brisbane do not have a good record there either.
Suspect Nathan Jones will run with Rockliff and this may be the deciding factor. Together with whether Hanleys influence can be curbed.
yeah well sportsbet have a promo if your team loses by less then 20 they refund head to head bets so i put some $ on Brissy don't see them losing by more then 20 if they do lose
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-01/lion-cubs-refuse-to-go-home
And the good news keeps coming with Taylor and Gardiner signing extended contracts.
We have now resigned 22 players including:
Daniel Rich
Matthew Leuenberger
Pearce Hanley
Tom Rockliff
Jack Redden
Joshua Green
Sam Mayes
Michael Close
Nick Robertson
Rohan Bewick
Claye Beams.
Ryan Lester
Marco Paparone
Lewis Taylor
Darcy Gardiner
Hope we can tie up Aish soon although I suspect he may wait till next year before negotiating contracts. Hands off Port and Crows.
Aish's manager just making the lions sweat. More money to be thrown at him
Bad injury for ex player cornelious.
Broken Femur
Interesting sta.
Since the Rd10 bye, we are 5 wins 4 losses with a % of 90
Oh if we had started better. Lets see if we can get wins over Crows, Pies, Dockers and Cats and finish the season. See if we can really shape the final 8 and positions within the 8.
I didn't get to see the game, but it looked like McStay played pretty well. Did anyone get to see how he played, and have we possibly found another forward in him?
I did not see it either BB but have watched the replay and he looked good up forward.
Started in defence but was thrown forward early and really grasped the opportunity in addition to 6 marks and 3 goals he also had 14 disposals. Close and McStay looked good as a team up front and could be the future pairing.
When Berger comes back I hope we play the 2 rucks with Berger playing mainly forward as he has strong hands as well and one of the better kicks in the club. This would allow Sauce to return to defence where he is best suited imo. His kicking for goal leaves a lot to be desired
Quote from: BB67th on August 04, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
I didn't get to see the game, but it looked like McStay played pretty well. Did anyone get to see how he played, and have we possibly found another forward in him?
Marks were massive. Reminded me of Jake Carlise. Go watch the smart replay on the afl site.
yeah Close and McStay did look really good makes you wonder if you guys need another tall forward or not
Mmm.
They were playing melbourne- hardly the best bench mark for assessment :P
Quote from: Ziplock on August 04, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
Mmm.
They were playing melbourne- hardly the best bench mark for assessment :P
Defensively Melbourne have been impressive under Roos.
Quote from: Ziplock on August 04, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
Mmm.
They were playing melbourne- hardly the best bench mark for assessment :P
From my perspective Zip - We are both re-building and Melbourne were good early in the season so just wanted to judge where both appear to be with rebuild. So basically just a comparison with both teams.
hey Ringo have Brissy really been tagging anyone? i have a lack of VC options i like i'm thinking Sloane or Danger into Pendles
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 04, 2014, 10:23:28 PM
hey Ringo have Brissy really been tagging anyone? i have a lack of VC options i like i'm thinking Sloane or Danger into Pendles
Robertson has had run with roles this year but he's just a kid and been beaten, Bewick has tagged players but main small forwards.
Quote from: strikes91 on August 04, 2014, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 04, 2014, 10:23:28 PM
hey Ringo have Brissy really been tagging anyone? i have a lack of VC options i like i'm thinking Sloane or Danger into Pendles
Robertson has had run with roles this year but he's just a kid and been beaten, Bewick has tagged players but main small forwards.
cheers so you think they are decent option this week then?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 04, 2014, 10:28:03 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on August 04, 2014, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 04, 2014, 10:23:28 PM
hey Ringo have Brissy really been tagging anyone? i have a lack of VC options i like i'm thinking Sloane or Danger into Pendles
Robertson has had run with roles this year but he's just a kid and been beaten, Bewick has tagged players but main small forwards.
cheers so you think they are decent option this week then?
Most definitely.
Thanks Strikes - Brisbane appear to adopting more of run with roles rather than tight tags and appears to be paying off. Lester is one who is often used in this role but also gets his own ball.
So in summary we no longer tight tag but expect run with roles. Wopuld be exciting ths week to see Sloane and Rocky go head to head,
I guess that means Andrew Raines will no longer be at the club next year?
His stats in the NEAFL look like he is finding a bit of the ball, but he has slipped down the pecking order a fair way it would seem.
Will be interesting at end of season what we do with Moloney, Raines and McGrath who is a restricted free agent.
Merrett ridiculously lucky to get off
Is there a certain amount that you have to delist ?
Quote from: strikes91 on August 05, 2014, 07:26:52 PM
Is there a certain amount that you have to delist ?
Depends how many u want to draft
Need to make atleast 3 list changes
Brown has retired so that is a definite - and as I said earlier Interesting choices with Moloney, Raines and McGrath. Polkinghorne may be used as trade bait,
Decision has to be made regarding Sam Michael as he has been on the rookie list for three years.
Michael is surely gone. West, Berger and Martin. then Archie Smith
Sam :'( Could we delist him and then re draft him?
Is Crisp playing forward a fair bit?
so do you think Crisp is best 22 material Ringo? has really impressed me
Crisp has been impressive and has been the standout in the NEAFL and deserving of the promotion. IMO he will always be on the fringe of the best 22 but great to get games into him. Rich and Reddan are to return next year as well so competition for the final couple of places will be intense. Mayes, Aish, Lester, Bewick, Robertson, O'Brien, Crisp and Taylor will probably all be fighting for 4 positions.
Just wish we had similar forward depth.
I like him roaming off the HF line. Agility and strong mark
Agree Crisp so think Bewick, Taylor, Crisp and Staker when he comes back may be competing for these positions.
Has Bewick been playing defence for the last couple of weeks? Hasn't looked to bad back their.
The one good side to our year with injuries we have got games into all our youngsters so the future looking great, McStay looks as though he could develop into the Key FF as well.
Quote from: nrich102 on August 12, 2014, 08:48:10 PM
Has Bewick been playing defence for the last couple of weeks? Hasn't looked to bad back their.
On the wing, saved his career.
Moving to Melbourne has been sweet. Been here 7-8 weeks, seen Lions Tiges, Lions Dees and going to see Lions Pies this week ;D
Quote from: strikes91 on August 12, 2014, 10:48:41 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on August 12, 2014, 08:48:10 PM
Has Bewick been playing defence for the last couple of weeks? Hasn't looked to bad back their.
On the wing, saved his career.
Ah, thanks mate.
Quote from: Nails on August 12, 2014, 11:05:33 PM
Moving to Melbourne has been sweet. Been here 7-8 weeks, seen Lions Tiges, Lions Dees and going to see Lions Pies this week ;D
Let me know Nails for next season if you want details of open training sessions. They are usually down St Kilda,
Here is this weeks ones details
4:00pm Friday 15th August @ Wesley College, St Kilda Rd, Melbourne
Worth going? I'd be keen but it's like 40-50 minutes away from where I am now.
Also wish I had spare money - if I go to the footy I won't have enough, but Lions online store selling guernseys for $50 now.
Up to you Nails but each time they play in Melbourne they usually have an open training session for Melbourne fans. Will advise next year as well if you like sending you a PM. Usually send GL one so can add you.
With Rocky playing his 100th game this weekend, this seems to be needed
(http://i.gyazo.com/f4e1d1f1ea11425e4ad376583302d16c.png)
Is that a mullett ?
Chances of Rich getting DPP as in D/M guys?
Would have if he played more games - do not know how many CD need to change. Started on HB in most games played.
Thanks Ringo, hope he gets it.
Can't see it happening.
Will be hard as Rich only played 3 games. Leppa in his attempt to hrlp Rich evade the tight tags and give some drive with his lethal left boot started him across Half back in all three games.
so guessing Gardiner wont play this week
hurts because Suckling might not play :'(
Yeh 3 games wouldn't be enough to influence positional changes
It's happened before hasn't it? I distinctly remember someone losing DPP after only a handful if games.
Quote from: Ziplock on August 18, 2014, 11:25:06 AM
It's happened before hasn't it? I distinctly remember someone losing DPP after only a handful if games.
was that Daisy?
i think it's easier to lose it then gain it
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 11:57:51 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on August 18, 2014, 11:25:06 AM
It's happened before hasn't it? I distinctly remember someone losing DPP after only a handful if games.
was that Daisy?
i think it's easier to lose it then gain it
maybe. Or fyfe?
well i know Daisy had M/F last year only played 5 games but lost it this year
i think he might get M/F for next year also
Xavie Ellis lost defender status after only playing 3 games in the AFL, but he did also play VFL games, which does impact what position they get.
Any chance of ZOB saving my *rse this week?
Sorry Big Mac can not see it. Robbo has the nod imo before him.
he did get 42 touches and a goal in the reserves though apparently but even then I can't see him coming in. If Merrett was to be out I expect McGrath to play his last Gabba match
Fair call Strikes - Gardiner in some doubt as well. See Hanley is looking forward to tangling with Crowley again as well.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-08-18/hanley-ready-for-crowley
Raines to part ways with the Lions
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-27/raines-lions-split
Quote from: Toga on August 27, 2014, 10:18:58 AM
Raines to part ways with the Lions
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-27/raines-lions-split
Leppitsch raine-d on his parade?
Quote from: Ziplock on August 27, 2014, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: Toga on August 27, 2014, 10:18:58 AM
Raines to part ways with the Lions
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-27/raines-lions-split
Leppitsch raine-d on his parade?
no, just no.
Not to be unexpected although I thought he would have been at least offered a reduced contract given his form in the NEAFL.
Will be interesting if picked up by another club and he resumes his tagging roles.
Can you take Mcguan with you Raines? Lol
so after he has played a few games
Crisp a good chance for M/F status?
Would be crazy if he didn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play many games though :-X
He could be a DPP but I would not be holding breath waiting for games given the payers to return from injury. He would be behind Rocky, Redden, Hanley, Rich, Aish, Mayes, Lester in mids and Taylor, Bewick and Staker for H/F,
My boy Jordon Bourke debuts. 8)
Nice to see bourke get a run.
Agree great to see Bourkie get a run. Another graduate from the acadamey. Merrett named on interchange is a good move as he can be thrown in where needed, Also handy with both McStay and Bourke capable of playing back as well.
Saw a tweet that Patrick Ryder wants to come to Brisbane. odd
Quote from: strikes91 on September 01, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
Saw a tweet that Patrick Ryder wants to come to Brisbane. odd
I've heard that rumour too. Would there really be a space for him in the team? Can't see him being played as a ruckman.
Posted in the other thread - If being used as a forward maybe and allow Sauce back to defence.
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 07:50:51 PM
Posted in the other thread - If being used as a forward maybe and allow Sauce back to defence.
what would we give up for him, can't see it happening. Not worth pick 4 and we have academy players lurking with others.
BTW Strikes very low maybe as well. If Lisle was not de-listed if he was involved could have worn it but definitely not pick 4. McGuane has not worked out as the mature age forward we are seeking whilst we develop and do not see Sauce as the solution.
Wait till see what shakes down as only rumour at this stage. Would not want to offer too much either especially if we are going after Beams next year.
Maybe offer something around Stef Martin? Surely he'd have some value after this season.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
Maybe offer something around Stef Martin? Surely he'd have some value after this season.
We just extended his contract until the end of 2016
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 02, 2014, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
Maybe offer something around Stef Martin? Surely he'd have some value after this season.
We just extended his contract until the end of 2016
Surely doesn't mean you can't trade him :P
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 02, 2014, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
Maybe offer something around Stef Martin? Surely he'd have some value after this season.
We just extended his contract until the end of 2016
Surely doesn't mean you can't trade him :P
While he'd have a lot of value now, Leuey is injury prone and I don't want West as our only ruck
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 02, 2014, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 02, 2014, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
Maybe offer something around Stef Martin? Surely he'd have some value after this season.
We just extended his contract until the end of 2016
Surely doesn't mean you can't trade him :P
While he'd have a lot of value now, Leuey is injury prone and I don't want West as our only ruck
I meant offer Stef as part of a deal for Ryder...
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 02, 2014, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: GoLions16 on September 02, 2014, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 02, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
Maybe offer something around Stef Martin? Surely he'd have some value after this season.
We just extended his contract until the end of 2016
Surely doesn't mean you can't trade him :P
While he'd have a lot of value now, Leuey is injury prone and I don't want West as our only ruck
I meant offer Stef as part of a deal for Ryder...
Oh haha
Not as stupid as it sounds but maybe offer West rater than Martin.
Quote from: Ringo on September 03, 2014, 08:36:56 AM
Not as stupid as it sounds but maybe offer West rater than Martin.
might consider Martin but not SpudWest
i'm confident it's not going to happen
Squizzy! Very well deserved
(http://i.imgur.com/lJRYXAU.jpg)
Very Well deserved "squizzy" well done.
Congrats to Lewis well done.
We can thank Elliot Yeo for going home for Squizzy as he was taken with pick 28 which Eagles traded to us as part of the Yeo deal. No doubt the steal of the draft after falling so low.
Wonder what pick you'll get when Aish goes home to the Crows?
Aish is in the process of negotiating an extended contract at the moment, In a way the go home cry babies have probably galvanised the group as they are indicating they want to stay together.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-09-03/aish-to-begin-talks
Fantastic season from Taylor. Thoroughly deserving of the win. We really did draft well at the end of last season, let's hope these kids stick around the club.
Think we really did well out of the trades with picks for the go home 5
Pick 22 - Darcy Gardiner
Pick 25 - Daniel McStay
Pick 28 - Lewis Taylor
Pick 33 - Tom Cutler
Pick 34 - Nick Robertson
Fair return at this stage.
Squizzy!!!!! #gun
we were 1 pick off not getting him. GWS didn't like it we took him at 28
Yeo > Taylor.
There I said it.
Another rumour coming out of Lions is that may be listing Pearce Hanley's younger brother as an international rookie. Know the risks involved with brothers but if he even gets to 50% of Pearce will be worth it. Just hope if it is true he works out better than Neal McKeever.
Well done Lewy! Well deserved. 8)
Honestly can still not believe the kid slipped to #28 in the draft last year.
Quote from: Ringo on September 04, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
Another rumour coming out of Lions is that may be listing Pearce Hanley's younger brother as an international rookie. Know the risks involved with brothers but if he even gets to 50% of Pearce will be worth it. Just hope if it is true he works out better than Neal McKeever.
Cian aKa (Key/in)
Recently done an ACL but has already signed with the club apparently
Rumor going around Merrett maybe be leaving, hope not
Lumumba for Merrett swap?
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/cian-hanley-brother-of-pearce-set-to-join-brisbane-lions-despite-knee-injury/story-fnp04d6z-1227047992361
Couple of interesting extracts from this article.
"Brisbane will have to wait 12 months before Cian is ready to kick his first Sherrin after the 17-year-old suffered an ACL injury in the All Ireland minor (under 18s) semi-final last week.
The Lions have also confirmed their interest in Essendon star Paddy Ryder, who is reportedly seeking a fresh start and has strong links to the Sunshine State through his wife, who is a Queenslander."
Pearce said his brother his light years ahead of him in endurance but he has him for pace.
Also confirmation that we will be seeking to deal if Ryder nominates Brisbane as his preferred club.
@ Nas just remains to be seen to see whether we want a 28 y/o to replace a 30 year old. Could be handy fr a couple of years while our young defenders continue to develop with Maguire and Patful also
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can't see sauce being traded. 2nd rounder for ryder been thrown around
2nd rounder for Ryder is an absolute joke
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 05, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
2nd rounder for Ryder is an absolute joke
Injecting your players with substances that could harm a players unborn child is an absolute joke.
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 05, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
2nd rounder for Ryder is an absolute joke
Injecting your players with substances that could harm a players unborn child is an absolute joke.
see, you give as good as you get....
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 05, 2014, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 05, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
2nd rounder for Ryder is an absolute joke
Injecting your players with substances that could harm a players unborn child is an absolute joke.
see, you give as good as you get....
...Huh?
Quote from: nas on September 05, 2014, 09:19:00 AM
Lumumba for Merrett swap?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-05/key-lion-going-nowhere
Quote from: strikes91 on September 05, 2014, 02:33:43 PM
can't see sauce being traded. 2nd rounder for ryder been thrown around
Who's there first round for Beams ?
Do not think we will be making a play for Beams till next year when his contract is up.
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2014, 02:42:57 PM
Do not think we will be making a play for Beams till next year when his contract is up.
Been a lot of talk about it don't think all is right at the Pies if he wants to come home the Pies may get more for him this year than next watch this space ::)
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2014, 02:42:57 PM
Do not think we will be making a play for Beams till next year when his contract is up.
if he is not contracted do we still have to make a deal with Collingwood ?
Quote from: strikes91 on September 07, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2014, 02:42:57 PM
Do not think we will be making a play for Beams till next year when his contract is up.
if he is not contracted do we still have to make a deal with Collingwood ?
When he comes out of contract next year he will be eligible as a free agent I believe.
It would be great if we could get Beams up to Brisbane. Would much rather have him than Ryder.
Quote from: BB67th on September 07, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 07, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2014, 02:42:57 PM
Do not think we will be making a play for Beams till next year when his contract is up.
if he is not contracted do we still have to make a deal with Collingwood ?
When he comes out of contract next year he will be eligible as a free agent I believe.
It would be great if we could get Beams up to Brisbane. Would much rather have him than Ryder.
He is only 24 for but maybe a restricted free agent ? If the Lions are willing to cough up there first pick and maybe a good young player and he wants to come home who knows but it would be a trade bonanza for the Lions
Quote from: shaker on September 07, 2014, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: BB67th on September 07, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 07, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2014, 02:42:57 PM
Do not think we will be making a play for Beams till next year when his contract is up.
if he is not contracted do we still have to make a deal with Collingwood ?
When he comes out of contract next year he will be eligible as a free agent I believe.
It would be great if we could get Beams up to Brisbane. Would much rather have him than Ryder.
He is only 24 for but maybe a restricted free agent ? If the Lions are willing to cough up there first pick and maybe a good young player and he wants to come home who knows but it would be a trade bonanza for the Lions
Yes it would be a restricted free agent, but with all the money in our salary cap, I'm sure we could offer him more than Collingwood.
Not sure if he is worth a first round pick and gun kid at this stage though. Unless we have someone else that wanted to go back home to Victoria, but there's none I can see going now.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-free-agency-how-it-works-20121001-26ue3.html
As Beams was first drafted by the Pies in 2008 this means he has only been on the list for 7 years and as a such a trade must be negotiated with Collingwood or he takes his chances in the draft. Can not see Pies delisting him.
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-free-agency-how-it-works-20121001-26ue3.html
As Beams was first drafted by the Pies in 2008 this means he has only been on the list for 7 years and as a such a trade must be negotiated with Collingwood or he takes his chances in the draft. Can not see Pies delisting him.
Can't see them delisting him but what if he want's to come home , what will happen next year what do they get ? If tells them he wants to go home might they be able to have more leverage in draft picks with the Lions this year than a restricted free agent next year ?
Shaker as he would still be in the 7 seasons or less at end of next year those rules will apply.
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2014, 08:35:02 PM
Shaker as he would still be in the 7 seasons or less at end of next year those rules will apply.
Cheers Ringo it was in paper again today and where there is smoke there is fire , think all is not well at Pies seen some say Buckley is Voss MKII anyway he would be a great pick up , we might just have to be a bit more patient but I feel something is going on and maybe not about $$$
What's the difference between restricted free agent and unrestricted ?
Quote from: strikes91 on September 07, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
What's the difference between restricted free agent and unrestricted ?
restricted means the clubs can choose to match any cash offers
unrestricted means they don't get the above choice
Thanks Shaker for the update Obviously we do not get a lot of AFL info in our press.
On another matter reports today indicate we are stepping up our discussions with Ryder now that Bombers are out of finals.
We have also increased our coaching staff with the introduction of Danny Daly from Richmond, We are also negotiating with GWS to return Craig Lambert to the Lions den to assist in Welfare department.
Does Browny have a coaching role? Could be really good for Close/Freeman etc.
Simon Black is the forwards coach currently. Brown has been helping out but I think he has media plans for next year rather than coaching.
Quote from: Ringo on September 08, 2014, 04:34:37 PM
Simon Black is the forwards coach currently. Brown has been helping out but I think he has media plans for next year rather than coaching.
Yeah, thought he had an informal role. Will be interesting to see his media role, no doubt he has a good footy brain
Or whats left of it after all those head knocks.
@brisbanelions: Leppa says @JBrown will be a part-time coach with the Club in 2015, helping the young forwards with technique #lionsforum
Guess this answers my question.
Sam Mayes to be a defender next season in fantasy or a forward, or a defender forward?
Quote from: Vinny on September 13, 2014, 08:54:57 PM
Sam Mayes to be a defender next season in fantasy or a forward, or a defender forward?
Has played quite a bit down back, so should get d/f. Wouldn't have played enough down there to only get defender status though.
Quote from: nrich102 on September 13, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 13, 2014, 08:54:57 PM
Sam Mayes to be a defender next season in fantasy or a forward, or a defender forward?
Has played quite a bit down back, so should get d/f. Wouldn't have played enough down there to only get defender status though.
Will depend on what CD see. leppa has used Mayes in a number of roles this year to assist his development and one of these was to give run of HB down the wing which he did in a few games. Whether or not that is sufficient to warrant D/F is problematic.
Fox and Channel 7 no doubt would be looking at Brown for a media role
Agree Mialman - brown is tailor made for media - Will be a part time forwards coach though concentrating on developing the young forwards Freeman, Close, McStay, Bourke etc.
Couldn't see it any other way, I'm sure he'll continue to be a big part of the club's development
Yeah, a number of ex-players have been involved with clubs while undertaking media roles like Richo and Lingy, definitely wouldn't be surprised to see Browny follow suit.
Do not want to a wet blanket but would it be a big deal if we do not get Ryder?
I will be more than happy with Berger/Martin and back up from West when he is fully recovered. Archie Smith is developing nicely as well.
Edit: Following up a report in todays paper.
Brisbane are tabling a 4 year offer worth $2.5m for Ryder. We acknowledge we are behind Port Adelaide if Ryder chooses success as first criteria.
Rdyer and his partner are currently spending a couple of days in Brisbane and were entertained at a BBQ at Leigh Matthews home attended by Leppa, Dean Warren and Greg Swan amongst others.
It is great to see we have learned by our recruiting debacles over the last couple of years with Roos, Buddy and Tippett and staying on the front foot. Although as said above do not think it is the end of the world if we do not get Ryder. Really regrett the club not going all out for Tippett who would be really welcome now especially as he made it clear initially he would like to return home.
Obviously it would be nice to get him, but I agree I wouldn't be all that disappointed if he stayed at the Bombers or went somewhere else. Means we'll get more games into our younger kids, which is good as we won't be pushing for finals next year or anything.
You're right, don't think it would be a big deal at all. Stef has shown that he is a more than capable ruck this year, he and Berger could form a good pair next year
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,76903.1325.html
Ben Hudson is returning to Lions as Defensive Skills and Ruck Coach, Completes the coaching panel now for next year.
This appointment together with the appointment of Danny Daly as stoppages coach is welcomed along with the part time appointment of Brown as Forwards coach. Could not ask for a better person than Simon Black to take on the role of Contest Skills and midfield coach.
Quote from: Ringo on September 18, 2014, 01:39:28 PM
http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,76903.1325.html
Ben Hudson is returning to Lions as Defensive Skills and Ruck Coach, Completes the coaching panel now for next year.
This appointment together with the appointment of Danny Daly as stoppages coach is welcomed along with the part time appointment of Brown as Forwards coach. Could not ask for a better person than Simon Black to take on the role of Contest Skills and midfield coach.
Things are looking very good for Brisbane... They will be contesting with the new teams for the top 4 in a few years.
So pre draft, what will our best 22 look like next year??
FB: J. Patfull; D. Merrett; D. Gardiner
HB: D. Rich; J. Clarke; R. Harwood
C: J. Adcock; J. Redden; J. Green
HF: D. Zorko; J. Freeman; M. Close
FF: D. McStay; P. Ryder; L. Taylor
FOL: M. Leuenberger; T. Rockliff; P. Hanley
INT: S. Martin; J. Aish; R. Bewick; S. Mayes
Unlucky: Goose, Crisp, West, Staker, Beames, Paparone, Lester.
would you really have all 4 of Ryder, McStay, Freeman and Close ?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
would you really have all 4 of Ryder, McStay, Freeman and Close ?
Maybe. If one had to go it would probably be Close, maybe for Crisp or Lester.
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
would you really have all 4 of Ryder, McStay, Freeman and Close ?
Maybe. If one had to go it would probably be Close, maybe for Crisp or Lester.
yeah just seems way to tall if you add S Martin
i really like Crisp and think he should be given a good run
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 20, 2014, 10:01:55 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
would you really have all 4 of Ryder, McStay, Freeman and Close ?
Maybe. If one had to go it would probably be Close, maybe for Crisp or Lester.
yeah just seems way to tall if you add S Martin
i really like Crisp and think he should be given a good run
I like Crisp as well, but is really a victim of our depth. Martin will play as more of a midfielder than a tall.
I think we will also have quite a tall draft, with Dawson and Hammelmann coming through the academy.
FB: J. Patfull; D. Merrett; D. Gardiner
HB: D. Rich; J. Clarke; T.Cutler
C: J. Adcock; J. Redden; R.Bewick
HF: D. Zorko; B.Staker; M.Paparone
FF: J.Green; M.Close; L. Taylor
FOL: M. Leuenberger; T. Rockliff; P. Hanley
INT: S. Martin; J. Aish; D.McStay; S. Mayes
Don't reckon we'll get Ryder.
Think you have nailed the team without Ryder Strikes.
Only 2 real contentious positions Harwood v Cutler and Paparone v Freeman
I do not think we will get Ryder either as I do not see us giving up pick 4 whereas Port may be prepared to give their first round pick which may be around 7 or more higher than our second round depending on compo picks.
Would like Staker to have a full pre-season though prior to selection.
Unlucky players would be Lester, Goose and the 2 who miss out. Robo, Zac O'b, Crisp, Golby and Beams give us solid back up.
Quote from: strikes91 on September 20, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
FB: J. Patfull; D. Merrett; D. Gardiner
HB: D. Rich; J. Clarke; T.Cutler
C: J. Adcock; J. Redden; R.Bewick
HF: D. Zorko; B.Staker; M.Paparone
FF: J.Green; M.Close; L. Taylor
FOL: M. Leuenberger; T. Rockliff; P. Hanley
INT: S. Martin; J. Aish; D.McStay; S. Mayes
Don't reckon we'll get Ryder.
I guess hats a pretty good team without Ryder. Paparone though? I dont really think we need more running players through the forward line. I'd probably Rather Freeman their.
Quote from: nrich102 on September 21, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 20, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
FB: J. Patfull; D. Merrett; D. Gardiner
HB: D. Rich; J. Clarke; T.Cutler
C: J. Adcock; J. Redden; R.Bewick
HF: D. Zorko; B.Staker; M.Paparone
FF: J.Green; M.Close; L. Taylor
FOL: M. Leuenberger; T. Rockliff; P. Hanley
INT: S. Martin; J. Aish; D.McStay; S. Mayes
Don't reckon we'll get Ryder.
I guess hats a pretty good team without Ryder. Paparone though? I dont really think we need more running players through the forward line. I'd probably Rather Freeman their.
forward line is slim indeed. Freeman could be in there somewhere I guess.
Lester stiff to miss? :(
Quote from: Vinny on September 21, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
Lester stiff to miss? :(
Yeah, quite stiff. No doubt when injuries and form have their say, Lester may get in.
Quote from: strikes91 on September 21, 2014, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 21, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 20, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
FB: J. Patfull; D. Merrett; D. Gardiner
HB: D. Rich; J. Clarke; T.Cutler
C: J. Adcock; J. Redden; R.Bewick
HF: D. Zorko; B.Staker; M.Paparone
FF: J.Green; M.Close; L. Taylor
FOL: M. Leuenberger; T. Rockliff; P. Hanley
INT: S. Martin; J. Aish; D.McStay; S. Mayes
Don't reckon we'll get Ryder.
I guess hats a pretty good team without Ryder. Paparone though? I dont really think we need more running players through the forward line. I'd probably Rather Freeman their.
forward line is slim indeed. Freeman could be in there somewhere I guess.
Close out, McStay into FF, Cutler to bench, Harwood HBF?
Quote from: GoLions on September 21, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 21, 2014, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 21, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 20, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
FB: J. Patfull; D. Merrett; D. Gardiner
HB: D. Rich; J. Clarke; T.Cutler
C: J. Adcock; J. Redden; R.Bewick
HF: D. Zorko; B.Staker; M.Paparone
FF: J.Green; M.Close; L. Taylor
FOL: M. Leuenberger; T. Rockliff; P. Hanley
INT: S. Martin; J. Aish; D.McStay; S. Mayes
Don't reckon we'll get Ryder.
I guess hats a pretty good team without Ryder. Paparone though? I dont really think we need more running players through the forward line. I'd probably Rather Freeman their.
forward line is slim indeed. Freeman could be in there somewhere I guess.
Close out, McStay into FF, Cutler to bench, Harwood HBF?
How about Paparone out , Berger to start at CHF, Martin in ruck Cutler to bench and Harwood to HB. Like that structure with Staker moving to wings where he is at his best.
Quote from: Ringo on September 22, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: GoLions on September 21, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 21, 2014, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 21, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on September 20, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
FB: J. Patfull; D. Merrett; D. Gardiner
HB: D. Rich; J. Clarke; T.Cutler
C: J. Adcock; J. Redden; R.Bewick
HF: D. Zorko; B.Staker; M.Paparone
FF: J.Green; M.Close; L. Taylor
FOL: M. Leuenberger; T. Rockliff; P. Hanley
INT: S. Martin; J. Aish; D.McStay; S. Mayes
Don't reckon we'll get Ryder.
I guess hats a pretty good team without Ryder. Paparone though? I dont really think we need more running players through the forward line. I'd probably Rather Freeman their.
forward line is slim indeed. Freeman could be in there somewhere I guess.
Close out, McStay into FF, Cutler to bench, Harwood HBF?
How about Paparone out , Berger to start at CHF, Martin in ruck Cutler to bench and Harwood to HB. Like that structure with Staker moving to wings where he is at his best.
Yeah that looks pretty good. Basically, I think Harwood has to play round 1 next year, was very very good over the last month or 2 this season and could lock down that role at half back
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Like I said where there is smoke there is fire Beams wants to go home will pick 4 get him ?
Does pick 4 go to Dons or Pies?
Surely Beams is worth more than Ryder
Things are looking so good for the Lions.
Beams comes over. Got a legitimate set of guns.
Leuy, Rockliff, Beams, Hanley, Redden, Rich, Zorko, Adcock.
Stef Martin turned into a gun.
Killed last years draft with Aish, McStay and LTaylor.
Just need another KPP.
Quote from: tabs on September 24, 2014, 06:50:34 PM
Does pick 4 go to Dons or Pies?
Surely Beams is worth more than Ryder
Ryder is firming for Port but the if the Lions can snag Beams it will the pickup of the trade period
:'(
If Lions can snag both Ryder and Beams lock them in for top 8 next year
I think it would be unlikely to see them get their hands on both Beams and Ryder, and surely Beams is more needed at the Lions than Ryder is? Would be throwing as much as you can at him!
They'd have to part ways with pick 4 for it to happen - Plus a player, Beams is easily worth that.
Leuey + Pick 4? I'd take that ;)
That is way overs. Given beams isnt contracted pick 4 is the most he's worth
If Ryder walks into FA it is very possible
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 24, 2014, 07:12:51 PM
That is way overs. Given beams isnt contracted pick 4 is the most he's worth
and Mitchell is worth 6? 4 and a player seems right
Ryder will most likely walk out on Essendon and enter the PSD Beams could do the same as well
Quote from: _wato on September 24, 2014, 07:11:11 PM
They'd have to part ways with pick 4 for it to happen - Plus a player, Beams is easily worth that.
Leuey + Pick 4? I'd take that ;)
How about West and pick 4
May have to work a 3 way trade but anything is possible.
Quote from: Noz on September 24, 2014, 07:19:31 PM
Ryder will most likely walk out on Essendon and enter the PSD Beams could do the same as well
If Ryder breaks his contract he can sign anywhere as a delisted FA. No need for the draft.
I think Beams understands he will do the best for the club given we've done so much for him and he's leaving extremely unexpectedly. He's a required player and has decided to shock everyone and leave to reutn to his family.
I wouldn't see him doing anything untoward whereas Ryder has gone through a whole lot at Essendon and I would completely understand if he couldn't care about the welfare of the club and go through FA.
Hahaha and Mat is right, you think Mitchell is worth pick 6 and Beams is not worth pick 4 and a player? You must have rocks in your head if you believe Mitchell is that much better. I still believe Mitchell is not worth that much.
Anyway that's off topic.
After the exodus last season Brisbane this year could come away with 2 ready made stars. Talk about a turnaround in a season. So 4 and a player for Beams is a possibility or he could go to GC who have 2 first round picks to offer. 2nd round pick for Ryder and if he really wants to go there he can threaten to walk for nothing. Well played Brisbane, well played
Pick 4 and Mayes to the Crows, Dangerfield to the Pies, Beams to Brissy.
Great to see the boot on the other foot this year with the go home factor - Beams may go to Suns but they have limited room in salary cap.
Would hate us to trade overs though Pick 4 and an average player say Crisp would be the maximum I would offer.
Surely playing with his brother has to have a part in it
$2-1 he ends up at Sydney
Quote from: Ringo on September 24, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
Great to see the boot on the other foot this year with the go home factor - Beams may go to Suns but they have limited room in salary cap.
Would hate us to trade overs though Pick 4 and an average player say Crisp would be the maximum I would offer.
Collingwood wouldn't take Crisp - However we'd take Danger if the rumours are true and he's headed to Melbourne, plus Adelaide would love some young talent as they've missed out in the past couple of years due to the Tippett saga.
Yep as i said maybe a three way trade - Pick 4 and a player to Crows, Danger to Pies and Beams to Brisbane.
They wouldn't take Crisp. Also add in the fact there is a team south of Brisbane that has 2 first round picks and an abundance of young talent, they would have to give up 4 and something good.
Did not name the player Matt but you are right and we have some SA young talent on our books.
Quote from: Mat0369 on September 24, 2014, 07:17:47 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 24, 2014, 07:12:51 PM
That is way overs. Given beams isnt contracted pick 4 is the most he's worth
and Mitchell is worth 6? 4 and a player seems right
4 and a player is probably fine. Definitely not anyone near Leuenberger quality though.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 24, 2014, 07:12:51 PM
That is way overs. Given beams isnt contracted pick 4 is the most he's worth
He is contracted till the end of 2015 isnt he ?.
Quote from: Grazz on September 24, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 24, 2014, 07:12:51 PM
That is way overs. Given beams isnt contracted pick 4 is the most he's worth
He is contracted till the end of 2015 isnt he ?.
He might be, I got the impression he wasn't though
Edit: I stand corrected he is contracted till end of next year never mind, probably worth a bit more then.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 24, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Grazz on September 24, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 24, 2014, 07:12:51 PM
That is way overs. Given beams isnt contracted pick 4 is the most he's worth
He is contracted till the end of 2015 isnt he ?.
He might be, I got the impression he wasn't though
Yeh he is, its in the AFL sites write up regarding him wanting to leave, just read it.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-24/beams-wants-to-go-home
Yeah I read it
think we're looking at over 85% chance of having beams in Brisbane next season. Going to be exciting
Poor old Richy will cop the tag but allowing Beams, Rocky, Zorko and Hanley to run free with Redden doing what he does :D
Dont know if this has been mentioned, but maybe we could put Golby or Lester on the table. Could they be worth more than Crisp??
btw, Why wouldnt Collingwood accept Crisp?? Is a decent player.
Quote from: strikes91 on September 28, 2014, 10:05:10 PM
think we're looking at over 85% chance of having beams in Brisbane next season. Going to be exciting
Poor old Richy will cop the tag but allowing Beams, Rocky, Zorko and Hanley to run free with Redden doing what he does :D
I do like the sound of that :D
Golby and pick 4 has been mentioned especially with Lumumba leaving and Golby would slot into that position. Lester is other option if Pies want a starting player. Bewick may be another possibility,
Strikes not sure if we get beams whether they will still tag Rich or change to Beams with his running.
Will be an insane midfield Beams, Rocky, Rich, Redden, Hanley, Zorko, Martin/Berger with Squizzy also running through at times. Lester and Mayes to also provide back up.
Only downside will be losing pick 4 where we would have secured a KPP. However with the form McStay showed when moved forward do not think that is as important, With Close and freeman also coming through. Paine also to come back from injury. Unfortunately the McGuane draft does not appear to be working.
Edit: Gold Coast have withdrawn from the race due to insufficient room in their Salary Cap so it is up to us now to get the deal done. Reports also that Beams has knocked back the latest offer from Collingwood as well.
Think this going to be a long haul if the 3 way deal is going to happen , think the Crows will get better than pick 4 and an average player from the Demons
@shaker Brisbane have ruled out a 3 way deal with Crows at present.
The Pies are going to demand a better player than Golby to go with pick 4 maybe Rich ?
part of the fun with negotiations shaker. Bearing in mind that pick 4 has some currency as well in this draft. Pies are wanting Hanley but that will not happen.
Warren stating that we're only going to offer pick 4, I can see this being raised to pick 4 and 24 to get it done. Collingwood will want to trade him this year and not next year.
Agree Strikes - With being out of contract next year Pies will want to arrange something this year.
Not really. They are likely to finish bottom 8 this year so there compo pick will be high up there plus they would get another season of production from Beams. So Brisbane cant play too hardball
Beams isn't contracted next season so if they keep him against his will, he can walk for nothing next season can't he?
Quote from: Vinny on September 29, 2014, 04:30:08 PM
Beams isn't contracted next season so if they keep him against his will, he can walk for nothing next season can't he?
He is in contract, has one more year left so he's either going this year or next year
No way is he staying at collingwood for another season. His dad has cancer for flower's sake - No one can deny Beams the opportunity to be with him.
Quote from: Vinny on September 29, 2014, 04:30:08 PM
Beams isn't contracted next season so if they keep him against his will, he can walk for nothing next season can't he?
Still will get compo which will be the pick after their first pick
He doesn't become a free agent when he comes out of contract next season though. He becomes a free agent at the end of the 2016 season, so he would still need a trade or to go into the drafts if he went to leave at the end of next season.
That being said, I think Collingwood will trade him. They'd have to looking at his reasons for moving.
I also think Collingwood will trade him
But, and this is a bad thing to say but still worth considering, a year is a long time for cancer. Not suggesting for one moment the Pies would delay a trade with this in mind, in fact it would make them trade quicker, but there has to be an element of good will. It is Brisbane's responsibility to put a fair trade up.
I believe neither Collingwood or Brisbane would take advantage of this
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 04:54:53 PM
I believe neither Collingwood or Brisbane would take advantage of this
Yet they want someone like Hanley along with pick 4 ::)
Something like that would be a major advantage to the Pies, no way that would happen. I get Beams is an amazing player, but we're not giving Collingwood an elite player AND pick 4 in exchange for an elite player. Someone like Golby or Crisp along with pick 4 I think is a fair deal, especially with Lumumba going.
Beams's dad is not out of the woods but he has had treatment and is in remission but can see why he does not want to wait another year think the Pies have to trade him otherwise the relationship between them will go downhill quickly
Quote from: GoLions on September 29, 2014, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 04:54:53 PM
I believe neither Collingwood or Brisbane would take advantage of this
Yet they want someone like Hanley along with pick 4 ::)
Something like that would be a major advantage to the Pies, no way that would happen. I get Beams is an amazing player, but we're not giving Collingwood an elite player AND pick 4 in exchange for an elite player. Someone like Golby or Crisp along with pick 4 I think is a fair deal, especially with Lumumba going.
Lions want pick 4, which is too cheap
Pies want 4 and Hanley, which is too expensive
This is how negotiations work. The result will be somewhere in the middle
bound to be a lion that doesn't need too much convincing to go to melbourne, just annoyed it wasn't last year and could've nabbed Tyson
it's funny Pies are allowed to ask for overs but if Essendon do it we get laughed at ::)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
it's funny Pies are allowed to ask for overs but if Essendon do it we get laughed at ::)
cos Collingwood haven't breached contract, or at least risked a legal battle
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
it's funny Pies are allowed to ask for overs but if Essendon do it we get laughed at ::)
cos Collingwood haven't breached contract, or at least risked a legal battle
Also Essendon ask overs for every single player that ever comes or goes to the club
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: GoLions on September 29, 2014, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 04:54:53 PM
I believe neither Collingwood or Brisbane would take advantage of this
Yet they want someone like Hanley along with pick 4 ::)
Something like that would be a major advantage to the Pies, no way that would happen. I get Beams is an amazing player, but we're not giving Collingwood an elite player AND pick 4 in exchange for an elite player. Someone like Golby or Crisp along with pick 4 I think is a fair deal, especially with Lumumba going.
Lions want pick 4, which is too cheap
Pies want 4 and Hanley, which is too expensive
This is how negotiations work. The result will be somewhere in the middle
bound to be a lion that doesn't need too much convincing to go to melbourne, just annoyed it wasn't last year and could've nabbed Tyson
Think the end result may either be our first 2 picks or Pick 4 plus Golby/Lester. As you say Oss both teams will negotiate outcome with Beams welfare main concern.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 29, 2014, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
it's funny Pies are allowed to ask for overs but if Essendon do it we get laughed at ::)
cos Collingwood haven't breached contract, or at least risked a legal battle
Also Essendon ask overs for every single player that ever comes or goes to the club
i'd rather that then get ripped off every time ::)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 05:52:31 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 29, 2014, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 29, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
it's funny Pies are allowed to ask for overs but if Essendon do it we get laughed at ::)
cos Collingwood haven't breached contract, or at least risked a legal battle
Also Essendon ask overs for every single player that ever comes or goes to the club
i'd rather that then get ripped off every time ::)
Well the result is every club that tries to deal w/ Essendon feels like they're trying to get ripped off, hence why people laugh at them
Come on guys Do not hijack Brisbane Thread with Essendon crap.
Don't think that Crisp or Golby will interest Collingwood as much as Brisbane's 2nd rounder
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 29, 2014, 06:06:25 PM
Don't think that Crisp or Golby will interest Collingwood as much as Brisbane's 2nd rounder
if we took Karnezis we'd take anyone
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 29, 2014, 06:06:25 PM
Don't think that Crisp or Golby will interest Collingwood as much as Brisbane's 2nd rounder
if we took Karnezis we'd take anyone
That was a swap for Jackson Paine though, two fringe medium forwards, not really the same situation
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on September 29, 2014, 06:06:25 PM
Don't think that Crisp or Golby will interest Collingwood as much as Brisbane's 2nd rounder
Yeh Golby is an iteresting one. Pies already have quite a few defenders who can push into the mids
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 29, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 29, 2014, 04:30:08 PM
Beams isn't contracted next season so if they keep him against his will, he can walk for nothing next season can't he?
Still will get compo which will be the pick after their first pick
He wont be a free agent, so no compensation I think
Strikes is correct as he is not an unrestricted agent till 2016 so trade will need to be arranged if he plays next year. he can walk to the preseason draft where he can put conditions on that only Brisbane can match and pies get nothing. Hence why Pies will be interested in a trade this year,
Hey Ringo....any thoughts on Weardon or Crisps' chances for games?
Wearden may get games. Had an interrupted season with injuries and when he had games in the NEAFL had some good performances and with a DPP may be worth a shot. Crisp is a mid and got half a dozen games at the end of the season and performed solidly. Return of Rich, Redden and possible arrival of Beams will prevent him from getting games unless injury strikes.
isn't Crisp a good chance for DPP?
Do not think so KB - Played the majority of his 6 games in the midfield. Only the game against Adelaide he spent a fair bit down forward. Anyway can not see CD moving on 6 games.
Quote from: Ringo on September 29, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Wearden may get games. Had an interrupted season with injuries and when he had games in the NEAFL had some good performances and with a DPP may be worth a shot. Crisp is a mid and got half a dozen games at the end of the season and performed solidly. Return of Rich, Redden and possible arrival of Beams will prevent him from getting games unless injury strikes.
Didn't Wearden get delisted?
Need a holiday and stress relief - Wearden was de-listed by Brisbane and was the surprise de-listing.
Quote from: Ringo on September 29, 2014, 07:47:05 PM
Strikes is correct as he is not an unrestricted agent till 2016 so trade will need to be arranged if he plays next year. he can walk to the preseason draft where he can put conditions on that only Brisbane can match and pies get nothing. Hence why Pies will be interested in a trade this year,
If Beams had told the Pies he wont be there next year regardless then they will make this trade happen. Like you said Ringo PSD is not where the Pies will want to go. Lions will have 105% cap space and will put a major price on his head. Therefor leaving Collingwood with absolutely nothing. Give them 4 and 24 or Golby and be done with it I reckon.
clash jumper for 2015 is terrible
(http://i60.tinypic.com/vi7pg.jpg)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 07:12:08 PM
clash jumper for 2015 is terrible
(http://i60.tinypic.com/vi7pg.jpg)
That's... not great.
Not sure where you got this from KB as far as I am aware new clash guernsey was not scheduled to be unveiled until tomorrow. Nothing on the club website as yet either. Predominantly white though would not surprise as this years were similar
Too much white.
I reckon it'd be better inverted. So have the T in white and the other bit in maroon so that the Lion in yellow pops more.
Apologies KB aparrently the Telegraph have released early and yes this appears the clash guernsey.
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-clash-jumper-draws-on-fitzroy-history-for-inspiration/story-fni5f4q4-1227117398213
IT IS something old, something new and something borrowed - with a hint of blue.
Brisbane's new clash jumper will be officially unveiled on Monday, with the Lions drawing on two glorious periods in the merged club's history as inspiration.
The "Y" design on the front of the predominantly white strip pays homage to the Fitzroy jumper used from 1898-1905 when the club won four VFL flags.
Just as Richmond and Essendon have the sash across their jumpers, Collingwood has vertical stripes and Geelong has its trademark hoops, the "Y"has been an integral part of the Fitzroy fabric.
Brisbane used the "Y" design for its 2012 Hall of Fame jumper when the Lions smashed the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium before their inaugural Hall of Fame function.
all good Ringo i got it off facebook 8)
Agree very white though even with the maroon Y
Quote from: Nige on November 09, 2014, 07:14:53 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 07:12:08 PM
clash jumper for 2015 is terrible
(http://i60.tinypic.com/vi7pg.jpg)
That's... not great.
And people weren't happy with the Crows' clash guernsey....
It's like teams are competing for the worst clash jersey this year
At least we have a clash jumper *cough* Richmond *cough* ::)
(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2014/11/91040_6f0e3c6a9019020d795354703a99b846.png)
that was off big footy for an idea. would of been better imo
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
At least we have a clash jumper *cough* Richmond *cough* ::)
We do? ??? ???
Also about Christo, bit harsh to judge when no one knows the full story.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
At least we have a clash jumper *cough* Richmond *cough* ::)
We do? ??? ???
Also about Christo, bit harsh to judge when no one knows the full story.
What did you wear against port??
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
At least we have a clash jumper *cough* Richmond *cough* ::)
We do? ??? ???
Also about Christo, bit harsh to judge when no one knows the full story.
What did you wear against port??
Our clash jumper...
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
At least we have a clash jumper *cough* Richmond *cough* ::)
We do? ??? ???
Also about Christo, bit harsh to judge when no one knows the full story.
What did you wear against port??
Our clash jumper...
I honestly thought that was the home jumper :-X
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 09:13:41 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
At least we have a clash jumper *cough* Richmond *cough* ::)
We do? ??? ???
Also about Christo, bit harsh to judge when no one knows the full story.
What did you wear against port??
Our clash jumper...
I honestly thought that was the home jumper :-X
Haha, we were meant to wear our home jumper because the AFL told us to, but because we're nice we decided to wear our clash jumpers anyway.
Feeling a bit better about ours now aha
Putting the "clash" in clash jumper.
As an interesting aside in this debate - Why do we need a clash jumper? Is it a case of the AFL getting more money as I can not really see any Guernseys we may clash with it at all? Why does Collingwood not have a clash jumper yet other teams do?
It looks a lot better with a black background haha
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1920109_854630067914634_7928351075157092196_n.jpg?oh=0c98671d7af2857815b0ecad9e698ba9&oe=551C9323&__gda__=1423043933_5f880c17ba0900b8f5af4b5d3b062222)
Agree does not look as bad with a darker back ground. Consensus amongst Lions supporters is it is much better than previous one. For information and this is from the FAQ
WHY IS THE CLASH JUMPER PREDOMINANTLY WHITE?
The AFL stipulates that every Club's clash jumper be made up mostly of the colour white.
and apparently the stipulation is 60% white.
We will now own the Fitzroy Y for our clash jumper but unfortunately because of the 60% can not incorporate any Bears tradition.
Quote from: Ringo on November 10, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
As an interesting aside in this debate - Why do we need a clash jumper? Is it a case of the AFL getting more money as I can not really see any Guernseys we may clash with it at all? Why does Collingwood not have a clash jumper yet other teams do?
Collingwood does have a clash (black on white, not white on black) --> trust me it looks different
But we shouldn't need clash jumpers at all. Players know who they are kicking too
Quote from: ossie85 on November 10, 2014, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 10, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
As an interesting aside in this debate - Why do we need a clash jumper? Is it a case of the AFL getting more money as I can not really see any Guernseys we may clash with it at all? Why does Collingwood not have a clash jumper yet other teams do?
Collingwood does have a clash (black on white, not white on black) --> trust me it looks different
But we shouldn't need clash jumpers at all. Players know who they are kicking too
Is it more for the fans to be able to tell teams apart? I agree, players will know who they're kicking too, and this is the only valid reason I can really think of.
Apparently we only use the clash jumper when away to Adelaide, Melbourne and Gold Coast. Do not think there are really clashed there with our away strip but maybe the Suns with the red may be.
Pretty sure we'll use fitzroy against the demons ringo. Facebook page said Bulldogs and Suns but I can see the Crows being added to that list.
Just quoted from the press report Strikes. Really do not see our away strip (Fizroy Red) clashes with anyone apart from Suns and maybe Crows. Dogs are predominantly Blue with the red stripe but suppose it is up to AFL to dictate.
Quote from: Ringo on November 11, 2014, 09:40:47 AM
Just quoted from the press report Strikes. Really do not see our away strip (Fizroy Red) clashes with anyone apart from Suns and maybe Crows. Dogs are predominantly Blue with the red stripe but suppose it is up to AFL to dictate.
If anything it is closer to the dogs colour than the Fitzroy Guernsey
Clash Jumpers are just a dumb concept in general when all the normal jerseys look good. Should be only used for shower like Collingwood vs Geelong
Couple of interesting facts to come out of tonights AGM
As previously advised Ross Thornton will join the Board.
Flight Centre will be coming on board as another sponsor.
Leppa aiming for double digit wins want an improvement on last years 7 wins.
Eddie is on board with promotion of first game and aiming for a crowd of 30k+ to start the year.
membership currently up 3k on last year and corporate sales also up.
And the big one.
Greg Swann also says plenty of room left in @brisbanelions salary cap. So plenty in reserve to gain that Key forward if need be. Could Tom Hawkins be a possibility being on the FA list? Would be handy for a season or 2 while Close and Freeman develop further.
Quote from: Ringo on December 17, 2014, 09:00:23 PM
Couple of interesting facts to come out of tonights AGM
As previously advised Ross Thornton will join the Board.
Flight Centre will be coming on board as another sponsor.
Leppa aiming for double digit wins want an improvement on last years 7 wins.
Eddie is on board with promotion of first game and aiming for a crowd of 30k+ to start the year.
membership currently up 3k on last year and corporate sales also up.
And the big one.
Greg Swann also says plenty of room left in @brisbanelions salary cap. So plenty in reserve to gain that Key forward if need be. Could Tom Hawkins be a possibility being on the FA list? Would be handy for a season or 2 while Close and Freeman develop further.
That's what Brisbane is lacking at the moment, Hawkins would make a huge difference to your structure. Everything else is ticking over beautifully, the recruiting and trading has been first class and the age profile is heading into a sweet spot. Next year may not be the year but beyond that I have high hopes for Brisbane.
I can see us having a play at Hawkins, but I don't really see it coming off :-\. Would really like it though, Hawkins would be awesome.
Maybe we could have a play at Grant? Idk. Don't really need him though. How long is left on Tippetts contract? Maybe we could make a play on him.
What do you guys think about the ruck situation at Brisbane with Leuy coming back into the side, but Martin being in the best form of his career at the end of last season?
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on January 21, 2015, 02:14:43 PM
What do you guys think about the ruck situation at Brisbane with Leuy coming back into the side, but Martin being in the best form of his career at the end of last season?
Leuey is still our number 1 ruck, so if he's fit, he'll be rucking quite a bit.
Quote from: GoLions on January 21, 2015, 02:24:03 PM
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on January 21, 2015, 02:14:43 PM
What do you guys think about the ruck situation at Brisbane with Leuy coming back into the side, but Martin being in the best form of his career at the end of last season?
Leuey is still our number 1 ruck, so if he's fit, he'll be rucking quite a bit.
This is really difficult to say at this point in time. Both will play and be named for round 1. Luey can take a strong mark and a fairly accurate kick for goal whereas Martin with his work around the ground becomes another mid. How Leppa uses both will be the issue and do not think we will get an insight in the NAB cup either.
I have stefan martins mark against geelong in my head telling me he will work in the forward lines. It's going to be a ripper combination
Saw that Nick Robertson went in for surgery. What was that for lads?
Sorry Rico Been away and have not heard of this. Will probably know tomorrow but was definitely not on our injury list last week. So suspect may have copped an injury in NEAFL if true.
to fix up his sinuses
Mayes has changed a heap leading into this season
(http://i.imgur.com/cIlc49w.jpg)
LOL ;D
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-29/aishs-round-16-dday
Rockliff
Quote“If you get to round 15 or 16 and he hasn't signed, you'd probably think he'll leaveâ€
least he's honest about it. hopefully the kid signs on
I love Rocky's honesty in the media, just speaks his mind
Why would he leave? I reckon the Lions are closer to building a premiership side than the Crows?
agreed ele, I think they're closer as well. home sickness might be an issue though
Quote from: Ricochet on March 30, 2015, 12:37:17 PM
I love Rocky's honesty in the media, just speaks his mind
Yeah, I like it.
Rocky has always spoken his mind. Aish no doubt will be weighing up the offers and what is best for him in the long term. Aish had a good relationship with Sam Mayes who signed last year so I am expecting he will stay but can not be certain until contract is signed,
Quote from: elephants on March 30, 2015, 12:37:19 PM
Why would he leave? I reckon the Lions are closer to building a premiership side than the Crows?
I wouldn't discount the possibility of him going to a Melbourne side either tbh... Will more than likely sign with the Lions or go home, but I think there's a chance...
Get him to the Dees, Good to see Aish running around in red socks again!
You can have Toumpas
Liam Pickering is being his typical money hungry self
Quote from: elephants on March 30, 2015, 12:37:19 PM
Why would he leave? I reckon the Lions are closer to building a premiership side than the Crows?
Hanley update
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-01/hip-hip-hooray
PEARCE Hanleyhas taken the first tentative steps towards his long rehabilitation from hip surgery.
The classy Brisbane Lions midfielder jumped on the AlterG (anti-gravity) treadmill on Monday to complete his first run since both hips were operated on eight weeks ago.
Hanley is not expected to see action until the second half of the season, but things could have been so much worse.
The 26-year-old was having a terrific pre-season and initially felt the pain in one hip in the lead-up to Christmas.
After the players' break, he returned to find the pain worse.
Once he got it checked out and decided to have the operation, what happened next shocked the Irishman.
"I didn't know what was wrong to be honest," Hanley told AFL.com.au.
"My back was pretty tight before Christmas, so I just thought my hips were out of whack and something that could be easily fixed.
"But once we got scanned, and to find out the severity of it, and that I had to get both hips done, it was a shock to the system.
"It wasn't that bad at the start, they said I was getting some bone shaved off and tidy up the cartilage and give it a clean-out.
Christensen, Beams and Robbo will all play their first match in Lions colours this week, while Jaden McGrath will make his debut :D
Wonder who won't make the squad with McGrath debuting though...could be one of Beams, Mayes, or Bewick perhaps? I'd prefer all of them over McGrath tbh
Will probably depend on how tall Leppa wants to go. McGrath is another small at only 180cm. If leppa wants to go small maybe Staker that misses but if he wants to retain talls then maybe Beams (182), Bewick (184) or Mayes (187cm). Will be vying for the Harwood spot imo. Mayes imo was the least impressive in the NAB cup so he may be the one.
Will await team with interest to see who gets the nod out of Lester or Paparone to take Patfulls position, how we setup with Rich of HB or wing,
At least the weather forecast is lookin a little better now with only showers forecast.
Mayes has vest written over him looking at the teams named, So Close misses out as well as Staker. We are really going small with only Berger and mcStay up front. trust we do not regret it.
I think it's important that Mayes starts. Our forward line could use him
What do we reckon about McGrath's JS?
I read from Leppas press conference it was his position to lose. He demanded inclusion and has lept in front of quite a few, I have put him into my SC side as a replacement for Daniel. So hopefully can get a few price rises out of him before Daniel returns.
Only real doubt I see as I said above we maybe too small but Rocky in an interview said this was basically due the predicted weather so may be a smart move.
At least my members seat is under cover.
Hopefully Rocky isn't out for to long, but Close or Staker needs to come in. We need a forward target, Mayes isn't a KPP and Stef can't catch the ball to save his life.
Pathetic for the majority of that game. Needed a Staker or Close as a forward target tonight I reckon.
Hopefully Rocky is alright.
Bundy, Robbo, Beams all looked good in first proper game for us. Merrett was really good I thought. Leuey showed why he is our #1 ruck. Glad to have Rich back, was great.
Need to put in a 4 quarter performance next week or North will absolutely belt us.
Agree 100% GL.
We should have been 4 goals up early with the early pressure we exerted in 1st quarter,
Fell back into old habits of trying one to many handpasses to get us out of trouble and that gave Pies the momentum in 2nd and 3rd quarters. Simple marks being dropped and from players you would least expect.
A lot of the sloppy play was due to the very high humidity and rain that started falling in the final quarter,
I think the martin/berger combo will only grow. martin instigated a couple of a forward thrusts in the last quarter.
just hope leppa maintains the faith and does not make too many changes although injury to Rocky may force his hands. Would like to see someone else come in rather than put Rich in the centre. He showed tonight what he offers of HB. Will get tagged if he goes to midfield.
mcgrath looks a likely lad and went ok for first game and needs to follow it up next week.
Paparone was a revelation in defence.
Bewick will have a nomination for mark of the round, but he was also a little disappointing tonight.
Hopefully it's a clean break for rocky. would be looking at 2-4 weeks. If the lung is punctured double it easily
Hope Rockliff is ok guys.
Think the Pies were lucky to get Brisbane on an off day, honestly felt they'd win this one
See you next time
Broken ribs, punctured lung. Out for up to six weeks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-05/ribs-fear-for-rockliff
Hopefully he has a good recovery and can come back 100% to give us some form leading into the bye.
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Hope Rockliff is ok guys.
Think the Pies were lucky to get Brisbane on an off day, honestly felt they'd win this one
See you next time
Your being a bit too kind. Brisbane are average at best ;D
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Hope Rockliff is ok guys.
Think the Pies were lucky to get Brisbane on an off day, honestly felt they'd win this one
See you next time
Your being a bit too kind. Brisbane are average at best ;D
so are the Pies
Think a few changes need to be made next week
We really need a big experienced body in the forward line, that isn't the resting ruckman. Staker has gotta come in if fit IMO. Close will probably be out for him I guess, depending on how bad his injury is. Lester so far isn't working as a defender, and I don't think it ever will. With the injuries to Rocky and Hanley, either get him in the guts, or drop him. I don't care how good Martin is once the ball hits the ground, Leuey needs more time in the ruck. Otherwise, there is no point playing him. Play Leuey ruck and Martin ruck rover for all I care, but he is a better ruck than Martin and we need to either utilise that or give someone else a go. Clarke is struggling so far, so hopefully we get Merrett back this week. Mayes is struggling. He seemed so promising in his first season, but has gone downhill since then. Might be best if he's dropped to the NEAFL to find some form. Don't think Paparone will work as a defender either. Played well last year on a wing I think? Either get him back there or bring in someone like Cutler for him. Beams needs help from our other mids.
On the positive side, O'Brien was really good. Had 7 tackles, which was the equal highest for us even though he came on in the 2nd quarter. Redden was good, as was Adcock. I must admit, in the NAB I thought Robinson wasn't gonna work out, but he's seemed pretty good thus far. Christensen has been great. Taylor has been really good as well.
Overall I'd like to see;
OUT - Close (if not fit), Lester, Paparone, Mayes
IN - Staker, Merrett, Gardiner, Cutler
What's with Aish getting dropped?
Quote from: Toga on April 13, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
What's with Aish getting dropped?
He was shower in round 1
That was in the top 3 for worst peformances I've seen. zero effort
Agree 100% GL and Nick Robertson on yesterdays performance does not to be dropped. Still trying to work out Richs rea position He seemed to lift us when he went back to HB so not sure but think hb is proving his better position,
Not sure where Gardiner is fitness and injury wise but we also need him back in the back line. We were really outgunned there without Sauce and hopefully back this week.
Damn Close rupturing his ACL is terrible for you guys
Article for those who want to read it
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-04-13/injury-update-close
Wish him all the best with his recovery. Not what he would've wanted after showing some good signs last year.
Staker would have to come in to the side now you'd think.
Also, Hammelmann to be upgraded? Hope so.
Will be interesting to see how many changes are made after Zorko blasted his team mates.
Would like to know who he pointed out
Zorko alos blasted himself so was giving a general spray well deserved spray though.
Can't see where we will kick a winning score at the moment. The thought of a winless season is embarrassing
Don't despair Strikes, Some encouraging signs last night but not a lot. A few combinations finally starting to click Beams and Christo seem to be getting their hands on ut more but need to improve the disposal efficiency.
Would be surprised if our D/e last night exceeded 50% overall. Our skills were terrible last night on 3 occasions 2 players spoiled each other resulting in Tigers Goals. There did not appear to be any calling. We seem to also be too handball happy trying to get out of defence and that probably accounted for at least 8 of Richmond goals.
Andrews may be OK but he needs more development and body strength. Also won a few contests in the ruck when relieving Maric. Staker is working his way back and if persevered with may help McStay down front. McGuane kicked 2 in NEAFL but I do not consider him a viable option. Freeman is still 4 weeks away.
Was really disappointed with our running last night as we did not appear to be able to keep with opponents. Not sure whether fitness an issue or not but something definitely lacking last night.
Also remember we have Hanley, Rocky and Merrett missing from the Team and that is a reasonable 3 in anyones language.
It is a case of building for next year atm in my opinion but will be interesting to see how we match up against the Eagles next week and this will give an indication where we are really at. All three teams we have played were touted as top 8 sides,
Just read on Facebook that Rocky may play this week with protective padding around his chest.
I dunno if that's a good idea tbh. Has only missed 2 weeks so far. Will see if there's a better source later today.
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Just read on Facebook that Rocky may play this week with protective padding around his chest.
I dunno if that's a good idea tbh. Has only missed 2 weeks so far. Will see if there's a better source later today.
Not a great idea in my opinion. I know its only 3 rounds in, but it doesn't look like Brisbane will be playing finals. Surely you need to be cautious with your best player and captain. Gotta think about the next 5 years, not just next week.
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Quote from: GoLions on April 20, 2015, 02:03:26 PM
Just read on Facebook that Rocky may play this week with protective padding around his chest.
I dunno if that's a good idea tbh. Has only missed 2 weeks so far. Will see if there's a better source later today.
Not a great idea in my opinion. I know its only 3 rounds in, but it doesn't look like Brisbane will be playing finals. Surely you need to be cautious with your best player and captain. Gotta think about the next 5 years, not just next week.
This. Plus if Rocky gets crunched, the damage will be seeeeveeeereeee. Chill Rocky, chill :P
From Rich's presser (no video available yet)
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So think Rocky will probably miss this week
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-20/rockliff-ready-to-rock
what do you guys think about trading Luey to Carlton for there likely top 4 pick
would prefer a forward but they cant afford to lose any so just draft one instead
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what do you guys think about trading Luey to Carlton for there likely top 4 pick
would prefer a forward but they cant afford to lose any so just draft one instead
I can't see a mature age player not in the 18th ranked best 22 going for a top 4 pick
Yeah ruckmen like that go in the 15-20 pick bracket
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what do you guys think about trading Luey to Carlton for there likely top 4 pick
would prefer a forward but they cant afford to lose any so just draft one instead
I can't see a mature age player not in the 18th ranked best 22 going for a top 4 pick
What about a straight swap, Yarran for Leue??
you could add a sweetener to Luey
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what do you guys think about trading Luey to Carlton for there likely top 4 pick
would prefer a forward but they cant afford to lose any so just draft one instead
He is a free agent anyway?
No one is trading picks for him
Is Carlton chasing Aish? Could be Aish and Leue for Yarran and a pick
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Is Carlton chasing Aish? Could be Aish and Leue for Yarran and a pick
i did hear that they are chasing Aish
but would need to be a good pick with Yarran
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Is Carlton chasing Aish? Could be Aish and Leue for Yarran and a pick
i did hear that they are chasing Aish
but would need to be a good pick with Yarran
Blues might have had emough of Yarran
We do not want him have enough smalls on our list.
I rate Leuey as a better ruck than Martin so would prefer if we kept him at Brisbane
Reckon we should get a deal going with Adelaide and Sydney to somehow get tippett
Haha super unlikely imo
Agree with that 1 Strikes. 3 way deal may be worked with Aish to Adelaide, Tippett to Brisbane and ? to Swans. Are Swans still banned from trading though?
Quote from: Ringo on April 20, 2015, 07:37:56 PM
Agree with that 1 Strikes. 3 way deal may be worked with Aish to Adelaide, Tippett to Brisbane and ? to Swans. Are Swans still banned from trading though?
nope can trade
They can trade, but I doubt Tippett would be on the table
Would Tippet really move again though?
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Would Tippet really move again though?
once a sell out always a sell out
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Would Tippet really move again though?
once a sell out always a sell out
Hiiiiighly unlikely. Id put a lot of money on him finishing his career as a Swan haha
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Would Tippet really move again though?
once a sell out always a sell out
Hiiiiighly unlikely. Id put a lot of money on him finishing his career as a Swan haha
He's already being overpaid for what he's worth, for Brisbane to get him would take a huge chunk out of their salary cap for one player when they need a lot more than 1 to improve.
Plus it would be hard to convince someone to move from playing September football into a team that isn't atm
Every thing I've read so far is seemingly saying Aish wants to play with a big club and three names in today's paper were Pies, blues and Dees. I don't think he's going to go back to adelaide folks.
White or Gault could be on the table? (And of course first round draft pick)
Tipo no but maybe Reid
sydney losing extra cap space aren't they ?
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
Yeah I can see Reid to Brissie but not Tip.
As for Aish, I have this weird feeling he will be a Tiger at years end.
Have been saying it for a while now that I think Aish is more likely to go to a big Melbourne club than Port or Adelaide.
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As for Aish, I have this weird feeling he will be a Tiger at years end.
Would not mind at all :o 8)
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-04-21/three-new-injuries
McGrath 8-12 weeks
Mayes at least 2 weeks
C Beams 1-2 weeks
This is getting ridiculous. Cutler should come in. Maybe ZOB too. Not sure who the third would be. Leuey perhaps.
Who is worse off, The Lions or Eagles??
Quote from: GoLions on April 21, 2015, 04:34:44 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-04-21/three-new-injuries
McGrath 8-12 weeks
Mayes at least 2 weeks
C Beams 1-2 weeks
This is getting ridiculous. Cutler should come in. Maybe ZOB too. Not sure who the third would be. Leuey perhaps.
Cutler/Lester for Beams
ZOB/Nic Robertson for Mayes
Hammelman/Golby for McGrath
Full List
Cian Hanley (Knee) - Season
Jonathan Freeman (Glute) - 3-4 weeks
Ryan Harwood (Groins) - Test
Pearce Hanley (Hip) - 8 weeks
Trent West (Knee) - 3 weeks
Tom Rockliff (Ribs) - Test
Jackson Paine (Shoulder) - Test
Archie Smith (Knee) - 4-5 weeks
Michael Close (Knee) - Season
Dan Merrett (Hamstring) - 1 week
Jaden McGrath (Foot) - 8-12 weeks
Sam Mayes (Foot) - 1-2 weeks
Claye Beams (Toe) - 1-2 weeks
Do not think we should risk Rocky even with our list of injuries.
Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Quote from: strikes91 on April 21, 2015, 07:30:18 AM
sydney losing extra cap space aren't they ?
yes we are but we wont chase Aish as we have a couple of mids coming in this year from the draft as well.
Mills and Dunkleys kid
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Sorry... why would they want anyone from Adelaide when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchell sitting in the 2s*
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or is it because Brissie won't be climbing any ladders anytime soon :P
Quote from: Ricochet on April 22, 2015, 02:18:39 PM
or is it because Brissie won't be climbing any ladders anytime soon :P
Either works well :P
I'm surprised the Gabba only had one ladder in the whole stadium though. I call BS tbh.
Its because they dont get off their high horse once they are on it
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Sorry... why would they want anyone from Adelaide when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchell sitting in the 2s*
Because players are money hungry and will leave, like tippett ;)
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Sorry... why would they want anyone from Adelaide when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchell sitting in the 2s*
Because players are money hungry and will leave, like tippett ;)
Well then if players are looking for more money Sydney won't be looking for players anyway? Very much doubt they'll be anywhere near the Aish deal.
Aren't all of Aish's ties to SA anyway. Both of those clubs will be willing to do one way trades anyway.
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Sorry... why would they want anyone from Adelaide when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchell sitting in the 2s*
Because players are money hungry and will leave, like tippett ;)
Well then if players are looking for more money Sydney won't be looking for players anyway? Very much doubt they'll be anywhere near the Aish deal.
Aren't all of Aish's ties to SA anyway. Both of those clubs will be willing to do one way trades anyway.
But Brisbane will be looking for a key forawrd and can not see Adelaide giving up Tex or Lynch so a three way trade needs to be negotiated.
Well then do a straight trade with another club? In the end though Aish and his management will dictate a large amount of the trade, a key forward may well be off the table
3AW Sports Today â€@3AWSportsToday 20m20 minutes ago
Tom Rockliff: 'My final test will be on Saturday to see how much impact my ribs can take. We have a guard made up as well'
I'm sorry, I get that Brissie want their best ball-winner and captain back, but why the urgency/desperation :s
Quote from: elephants on April 22, 2015, 08:34:20 PM
I'm sorry, I get that Brissie want their best ball-winner and captain back, but why the urgency/desperation :s
My thoughts exactly - Do we risk further damage to our best player for short term benefits rather than looking long term. Personally I do not think he will play this week.
it's probably Rocky being so urgent more so then Brissy
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 22, 2015, 08:45:10 PM
it's probably Rocky being so urgent more so then Brissy
Yeah, this wouldn't surprise.
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Sorry... why would they want anyone from Adelaide when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchell sitting in the 2s*
Because players are money hungry and will leave, like tippett ;)
Well then if players are looking for more money Sydney won't be looking for players anyway? Very much doubt they'll be anywhere near the Aish deal.
Aren't all of Aish's ties to SA anyway. Both of those clubs will be willing to do one way trades anyway.
geez....
Rocky wanting Brownlow votes? :p
How does the pecking order go amongst Brisbanes stack of midfielders? Obviously the new recruits and Captain will stay put but in what order would you see the likes of Rich, Hanley, Redden etc. Gonna have to give one of these sort of names up to get in a real gun big forward
Best chance is free agency, can't see the club trading one of the older midfielders
Quote from: quinny88 on April 22, 2015, 11:35:31 PM
How does the pecking order go amongst Brisbanes stack of midfielders? Obviously the new recruits and Captain will stay put but in what order would you see the likes of Rich, Hanley, Redden etc. Gonna have to give one of these sort of names up to get in a real gun big forward
I will have a go for you Quinny but a bit hard. Bear in mind some will play HB and HF as well but as I see it this would be my order>
Rocky (c)
Rich (vc)
Zorko (vc)
Beams
Redden
Hanley
Christensen
Aish
Mitch Robinson
O"Brien
Nick Robertson
Dawson
Clayton
Hammelman
Adcock, Bewick, Mayes and Taylor also run through mids at times
Personally think we could have done with out recruiting Robinson as it pushes youngsters down the list but just my opinion.
With Rocky agree it is more Rocky wanting to get back on the field rather than Brisbane wanting him.
On a bright note Hanley is slightly ahead of schedule and starting to do heavy conditioning. Still looking at the byes though.
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Sorry... why would they want anyone from Adelaide when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchell sitting in the 2s*
Because players are money hungry and will leave, like tippett ;)
Well then if players are looking for more money Sydney won't be looking for players anyway? Very much doubt they'll be anywhere near the Aish deal.
Aren't all of Aish's ties to SA anyway. Both of those clubs will be willing to do one way trades anyway.
But Brisbane will be looking for a key forawrd and can not see Adelaide giving up Tex or Lynch so a three way trade needs to be negotiated.
Jenkins maybe?
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
Why would Sydney chase Aish when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchwll sitting in the 2s
They wouldn't get aish. Three way trade
Sorry... why would they want anyone from Adelaide when they have young guns like Tommy Mitchell sitting in the 2s*
Because players are money hungry and will leave, like tippett ;)
Well then if players are looking for more money Sydney won't be looking for players anyway? Very much doubt they'll be anywhere near the Aish deal.
Aren't all of Aish's ties to SA anyway. Both of those clubs will be willing to do one way trades anyway.
But Brisbane will be looking for a key forawrd and can not see Adelaide giving up Tex or Lynch so a three way trade needs to be negotiated.
Jenkins maybe?
Would be really happy with this SC wise. Jenkins can't perform with Tex & Lynch present, if he was the sole option up forward for the Lions I could see him really having an impact (assuming that Brisbane improve)
Reports in todays press indicate we may be interested in Lachie Henderson, Charlie Dixon or Ty Vickery who are all of contract, Jenkins would also be a valuable addition.
We are also rumoured to be ready to pounce on Alex Rance to shore up our defence with Sauce and Goose nearing end and Clarke and Gardiner still developing, Leepa may be the key to secure Rance.
We have room in our Salary Cap for both a key forward and Rance.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-poised-to-target-richmond-defender-alex-rance-with-lions-coach-justin-leppitsch-key-to-securing-prized-defender/story-fnia6oop-1227319346520
Yeah I reckon any of Dixon, Henderson, Jenkins or Rance would be great pickups for Brisbane. Vickery not so much.
We better not get Vickery. He's a massive potato on a good day.
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We better not get Vickery. He's a massive potato on a good day.
Was McGuane not enough charity from us for you guys?
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We better not get Vickery. He's a massive potato on a good day.
Was McGuane not enough charity from us for you guys?
>:(
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We better not get Vickery. He's a massive potato on a good day.
Was McGuane not enough charity from us for you guys?
>:(
Haha that emoji paints a thousand words!
Aish (IF) he goes back to SA, everyone seems to assume the Crows, but remember our CEO (Thomas) is mates with his old man, so could be a possibility joining the Power. Polec was an example where a lot of people assumed Crows.
So Butcher is the trade. :P
Quote from: nas on April 26, 2015, 10:54:26 AM
Aish (IF) he goes back to SA, everyone seems to assume the Crows, but remember our CEO (Thomas) is mates with his old man, so could be a possibility joining the Power. Polec was an example where a lot of people assumed Crows.
So Butcher is the trade. :P
Crows fans seem to dismiss this idea. They say because Aish is from Norwood (most of his family is Norwood 'royalty') some SANFL rivalry with Port's, once original now, affiliate club will deter him. Personally, I think if he had to choose between the two, there would be more opportunities in the Crows midfield, but he wouldn't be able to overlook the opportunity to play with one of the league's best. :P
Don't forget, with the Crows there is always the prospect of Aish <-> Dangerfield hahaha. Far-fetched & fanciful (because Dangerfield wants to return to Victoria, assuming he does end up leaving) but the Lion's could make the play - I know I would.
I'm not going again until hanley is back. No one can kick a ball
Quote from: strikes91 on April 26, 2015, 05:37:51 PM
I'm not going again until hanley is back. No one can kick a ball
+ 1 Strikes Too handball happy. Even Beams and Rich 2 of our most reliable kicks had shocking kicks to opposition players as well today. Hope they find some confidence soon. This Kicking sideways/backwards and handballing is driving me nuts atm. It is football drive the football forward which is what we should have been doing when we had the wind.
We seem to have forgotten how to dribble kick forawrd past an opponent and regather. On 4 occasions I counted we kicked backward or handballed when a dribble and regather was the obvious play.
You can have Jesse White. Not for Aish, you can just have him.
Michael Whiting â€@AFL_mikewhiting 32m32 minutes ago
Daniel Merrett will miss Saturday's QClash against Gold Coast as his hamstring injury lingers. Ensures Lions backline remains VERY young
Aish is struggling to be worth more than a 4th Rounder. Nearly everyone from that draft year (That's played in these first 4 weeks) are showing mass improvement. Just seems Aish has been struck hard by the 2nd year blues.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on April 27, 2015, 04:34:30 PM
Aish is struggling to be worth more than a 4th Rounder. Nearly everyone from that draft year (That's played in these first 4 weeks) are showing mass improvement. Just seems Aish has been struck hard by the 2nd year blues.
It's possible he is mate, i think at his age and his contract situation with the club openly talking about what they think will happen may be a bit much for him to handle, he could well rightly or wrongly be feeling like a bit of an outsider at the minute up there which may be affecting his onfield performances.
Really hesitated before posting this and have cogitated for 24hrs.
Yesterday was the most disappointed I have been with the Lions in the past 15 years. It was not the fact that we were beaten but the fact that that there does not appear to be any direction on the field and players do not appear to be playing for each other. I witnessed the a situation which should never occur on the football field with a player arguing with Captain. Even though the player involved is in the Leadership Group there should be open dissent on the field.
We were well beaten but that is no excuse for the total disrespect the players had for the fans retreating virtually straight away from the field to the dressing room. This in contrast to the Eagles players who spent a considerable amount of time on the field kicking footballs into the crowd and talking with fans. Well done Eagles.
Regarding Aish his form has been below par and as grazz rightly says it may because his contract negotiations are being played out in the press and for a 19 year old (Aish does not turn 20 till November) may be a bit much to handle. He is wanted by the club but we also respect any move is his decision.
Press are rightly calling this weeks game against the Suns as the Qtrash rather than Qclash.
I still have faith in the club though and you will not see me desert them and that does not stop me feel disappointment though,
Was a bad weekend for both of us mate im feeling alot of what you're feeling also.
Agree at 19 it would be weighing on him for sure, i imagine myself at 19 i would of struggled dealing with it would be hard.
What happened with the player/captain incident?
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
What happened with the player/captain incident?
No further comment on this as it was an observation I made as it happened near where i was seated. Will probably be dealt with in the Leadership group meeting.
Quote from: Ringo on April 27, 2015, 07:05:26 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 06:53:56 PM
What happened with the player/captain incident?
No further comment on this as it was an observation I made as it happened near where i was seated. Will probably be dealt with in the Leadership group meeting.
Which players were involved man??
Rocky's captain.
Rich, Zorko and Hanley are the other three in the leadership group, but Hanley's out injured so take your pick of Rich and Zorko.
Quote from: Nige on April 27, 2015, 07:21:58 PM
Rocky's captain.
Rich, Zorko and Hanley are the other three in the leadership group, but Hanley's out injured so take your pick of Rich and Zorko.
Probably Zorko :P
Yep, I'd say Zorko haha
Nek minnit, Ringo says it was Rich. :o
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 27, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
I thought he looked like complete shower
Casboult could've hit some of the targets Cutler was missing
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 27, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
I thought he looked like complete shower
Casboult could've hit some of the targets Cutler was missing
He was quite terrible with his ball use and turned it over a heap of times
Quote from: LF on April 27, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 27, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
I thought he looked like complete shower
Casboult could've hit some of the targets Cutler was missing
He was quite terrible with his ball use and turned it over a heap of times
He improved in the 2nd half though. Might just put it down to first game of the year. Should keep his spot, and I'd expect him to use the ball a lot better this weekend.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 27, 2015, 04:09:33 PM
Michael Whiting â€@AFL_mikewhiting 32m32 minutes ago
Daniel Merrett will miss Saturday's QClash against Gold Coast as his hamstring injury lingers. Ensures Lions backline remains VERY young
Bugger :(
Will allow you to continue to speculate.
Cutler will keep his spot - His disposal effeciency lifted in the second half and was one of the few bright spots in the game.
Merrett out will hurt against the suns who will have Lynch and Dixon for us to cope with. Robertson will hold his spot as well imo but I am not on the selection committee. If the Suns beat us (and game is at Metricon) Leppa may have to bite the bullet and start changing game plans.
Quote from: Ringo on April 27, 2015, 09:01:28 PM
Will allow you to continue to speculate.
Haha why? So lame Ringo :p
Cutler did what no one else has in the first 4 weeks. Run the ball. When he cleans up his disposal he's going to be a jet
Can any Brisbane supporter tell me what's going on with Jack Redden? Watched my first Brisbane game this weekend and getting to the ball looked alright but the lack of effort stood out (or is that just Jack?). Has he had a change of role or just going down with the team at the moment (down for now anyway), backed him in all pre season and would've had him at 110 average! Don't want to get rid of him but see no other option!
Quote from: Money on April 28, 2015, 01:06:57 AM
Can any Brisbane supporter tell me what's going on with Jack Redden? Watched my first Brisbane game this weekend and getting to the ball looked alright but the lack of effort stood out (or is that just Jack?). Has he had a change of role or just going down with the team at the moment (down for now anyway), backed him in all pre season and would've had him at 110 average! Don't want to get rid of him but see no other option!
hard to say Money - The introduction to both Beams and Robinson who also delight to tackle and go in hard may be decreasing Jacks usual attack as well. He is also returning after a long injury setback as well which may be playing on mind early.
As with the majority of team atm overall confidence is also down. I have gone with redrock combo for the last 2 years but decided this year to wait and see the effect of new acquisitions had on both. I am still out on Reddan but he is attacking the ball but not getting the possessions he used to.
Yes Strikes Cuts ran the ball and was much better in the second half. I would really like to see us less reliant on Handball when coming out of defence. Eagles showed on Sunday what could be done with kicking the ball long from inside the defensive 50. On quite a few occasions when they had the wind they were reaching the centre circle with goal kick ins and we should have followed suit.
Thought I left enough clues for you to work out the player involved im the heated discussion with Rocky in the
forward 50. A couple have guessed correctly. Should give it to you now Ele.
Quote from: Ringo on April 28, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Money on April 28, 2015, 01:06:57 AM
Can any Brisbane supporter tell me what's going on with Jack Redden? Watched my first Brisbane game this weekend and getting to the ball looked alright but the lack of effort stood out (or is that just Jack?). Has he had a change of role or just going down with the team at the moment (down for now anyway), backed him in all pre season and would've had him at 110 average! Don't want to get rid of him but see no other option!
hard to say Money - The introduction to both Beams and Robinson who also delight to tackle and go in hard may be decreasing Jacks usual attack as well. He is also returning after a long injury setback as well which may be playing on mind early.
As with the majority of team atm overall confidence is also down.
Yes Strikes Cuts ran the ball and was much better in the second half. I would really like to see us less reliant on Handball when coming out of defence. Eagles showed on Sunday what could be done with kicking the ball long from inside the defensive 50. On quite a few occasions when they had the wind they were reaching the centre circle with goal kick ins and we should have followed suit.
Not many can kick a ball like Hurn but! ::)
Why can't you fill us in on the Rocky incident Ringo?
Quote from: Ricochet on April 28, 2015, 12:07:01 PM
Why can't you fill us in on the Rocky incident Ringo?
main reason is I may be reading more into it as I sit in the second tier and only going on Body Language but it was not a good look between Rocky and Zorko from where I sat. A fair bit of arm and finger gesturing but unable to hear anything.
Quote from: LF on April 27, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 27, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
I thought he looked like complete shower
Casboult could've hit some of the targets Cutler was missing
He was quite terrible with his ball use and turned it over a heap of times
Woah ... sorry for asking. I was impressed by the size of him and the way he moved and ran with the ball, seemed to get a fair bit of the pill too. Hasn't played many games give him a chance.
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 28, 2015, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: LF on April 27, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 27, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
I thought he looked like complete shower
Casboult could've hit some of the targets Cutler was missing
He was quite terrible with his ball use and turned it over a heap of times
Woah ... sorry for asking. I was impressed by the size of him and the way he moved and ran with the ball, seemed to get a fair bit of the pill too. Hasn't played many games give him a chance.
Don't worry, he'll be a star 8)
Was a lot better in the 2nd half as a few of us have said, LF and Big Mac don't know shower :P
30+ possies this weekend, 70+% DE
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 28, 2015, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: LF on April 27, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 27, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
I thought he looked like complete shower
Casboult could've hit some of the targets Cutler was missing
He was quite terrible with his ball use and turned it over a heap of times
Woah ... sorry for asking. I was impressed by the size of him and the way he moved and ran with the ball, seemed to get a fair bit of the pill too. Hasn't played many games give him a chance.
Sorry mate I wasn't attacking you
Just thought he didn't really have much of an influence on the game considering how many possessions he got
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Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 28, 2015, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: LF on April 27, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on April 27, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on April 27, 2015, 08:00:24 PM
Cutler looked good as a positive. Could develop into a very good player.
I thought he looked like complete shower
Casboult could've hit some of the targets Cutler was missing
He was quite terrible with his ball use and turned it over a heap of times
Woah ... sorry for asking. I was impressed by the size of him and the way he moved and ran with the ball, seemed to get a fair bit of the pill too. Hasn't played many games give him a chance.
Sorry mate I wasn't attacking you
Just thought he didn't really have much of an influence on the game considering how many possessions he got
All good. I agree on his DE for the game, don't have an argument about that at all. Coach .. sorry Tom you showed some potential today but your kicking efficiency for your first game while not as bad as some wasn't good enough, you played shower/terrible and as a result you will not make it in the AFL. ;D
A stat I found interesting is that the Lions have only won a single quarter so far this year
Started very similarly last year iirc
Quote from: Big Mac on April 29, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
A stat I found interesting is that the Lions have only won a single quarter so far this year
Started very similarly last year iirc
Knew that one Big Mac but was not game to publish. We won a quarter against the Pies,
Aish is gone i'm calling it
outta here
he is not playing well at all KB. Whether his contract is having an effect on him do not know but it is a lot for a 19 year old to have on his mind as well.
Aish only had 6 possessions in 2 and half quarters on Sunday and if you were a coach would you accept that from a midfielder, Aish recorded no tackles as well something he was strong at last year. Maybe it is mental with him with contract as I say and if so really needs to clear his head.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 30, 2015, 06:54:35 PM
Aish is gone i'm calling it
outta here
I think most people are "calling it" :P
Won't be letting him go cheaply though
EDIT: If he does stay however, that's great haha
I may consider an Aish for Tom Lynch trade,
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 30, 2015, 06:54:35 PM
Aish is gone i'm calling it
outta here
haha people have been calling it for a while now man, its almost expected now.
Quote from: Ricochet on May 01, 2015, 11:14:05 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 30, 2015, 06:54:35 PM
Aish is gone i'm calling it
outta here
haha people have been calling it for a while now man, its almost expected now.
At this point, it's a mere formality.
Quote from: GoLions on April 30, 2015, 10:27:38 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 30, 2015, 06:54:35 PM
Aish is gone i'm calling it
outta here
I think most people are "calling it" :P
Won't be letting him go cheaply though
EDIT: If he does stay however, that's great haha
no way he stays. Just hope the Lions get something decent for him
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 30, 2015, 06:54:35 PM
Aish is gone i'm calling it
outta here
I think most people are "calling it" :P
Won't be letting him go cheaply though
EDIT: If he does stay however, that's great haha
no way he stays. Just hope the Lions get something decent for him
Howe?
Just a thought
Reckon home factor SA just which 1.
As I said earlier Aish for Tom Lynch - Meets our need of a ready made forward whilst Close and Freeman continue to develop.
Lynch is progressing a lot better than Aish is at the moment. I suspect it wouldn't be an even swap by the end of the year
I think Aish wants to return to Adelaide
Also, after watching that QClash, I don't think it's Aish who is the issue - it's hard to perform in a substandard team. I honestly, don't know what Leppitsch is doing when he drops players. The only time teams can do that is if they have depth. When the Lions do it, they drop a decent player for a rookie and end up losing by +50. I don't see any long-term prospects with the side either tbh. I know they always start slow but, excluding Beams, this is not AFL standard. Injuries can't be an excuse for that match either, Gold Coast where missing more players, who were of better quality than those Brisbane were missing..
They will really need to do a lot in the second half of the season and I feel that the club's hyping up of Pearce Hanley's return could just exacerbate their detriment. The Lions have a lot to focus on after that game :-\
lgree Power to some extent. Our skills are shocking but like most club supporters will not desert the club. The big issue is imo is players have lost confidence in one another and are afraid to take the game on like we were doing towards the end of last year. In saying that I am seeing some improvement in some areas Redden is starting to return to his best with 7 tackles today and Mitch Robinson has played his best game since joining the Lions. Bear in mind Beams, Christensen and Robinson had to gel with the midfield. If you look at our injury list it is longer than the Suns so our depth is hurting. We lost a fair amount of depth with 5 go home cry babies and are only just starting to get that depth,
I am not decrying Hanley but imo the player we have missed is Merrett as we are forced to play Clarke on the best forward and at this stage of his career he is not strong enough as we seen again tonight with Dixon.
Quote from: Ringo on May 02, 2015, 07:53:16 PM
lgree Power to some extent. Our skills are shocking but like most club supporters will not desert the club. The big issue is imo is players have lost confidence in one another and are afraid to take the game on like we were doing towards the end of last year. In saying that I am seeing some improvement in some areas Redden is starting to return to his best with 7 tackles today and Mitch Robinson has played his best game since joining the Lions. Bear in mind Beams, Christensen and Robinson had to gel with the midfield. If you look at our injury list it is longer than the Suns so our depth is hurting. We lost a fair amount of depth with 5 go home cry babies and are only just starting to get that depth,
I am not decrying Hanley but imo the player we have missed is Merrett as we are forced to play Clarke on the best forward and at this stage of his career he is not strong enough as we seen again tonight with Dixon.
Yeah Redden did quite well this game, I acknowledge the loss of depth was a huge factor for the club and I see Leppa is drafting locally now to combat it (I'm just not sure the academy picks are at the same standard as the player in the 1st & 2nd rounds of the national draft). That's a very good point with Merrett, I forgot he was injured (more of a reason why Leppa shouldn't be dropping their higher tier players "to make a point").
However, I would never say Close, Freeman, Hanley, Mayes, & Merrett are comparable to Ablett, JoM, Swallow, Malceski, Thompson, & Day. The other players on the Lions injury list should not be starting even if they were fit. Personally, I think Dixon is overrated, but general consensus states otherwise and I would still agree that Justin Clarke is definitely not ready to play on him. If Merrett had been matching him, I would have Dixon at 1-2 goals maximum (and they would be when Merrett was occupied elsewhere). The problem is, when I compare the Lions to other young teams, I see them in a group with the Saints and Carlton. I just don't see what Leppa is trying to do this season, and it's obviously not working as of now - they were much better during the season half of last year. I also worry that the Lions overrate Christensen & Robinson.. Christensen is an auxiliary player at best and not a core player on any part of the ground and Robinson wasn't desired by any, literally any other club. They aren't players the Lions can rely on for consistency or involvement in the team's core group.
and again fair assessment which I can not fault. Christensen deserves to be dropped but will not happen and why I do not know. Until this week Robinson was in the same boat.
In fairness to dropping of Aish he is a midfielder and is output has not been good. Only had 6 possessions in till he was subbed in 3rd quarter,
Quote from: Ringo on May 02, 2015, 08:16:46 PM
and again fair assessment which I can not fault. Christensen deserves to be dropped but will not happen and why I do not know. Until this week Robinson was in the same boat.
In fairness to dropping of Aish he is a midfielder and is output has not been good. Only had 6 possessions in till he was subbed in 3rd quarter,
That is a good point, if he were a forward/back I think it would be a different situation. However, the one thing Brisbane now have a surplus of in mids (in a good way - not like the Eagles who have more than they can handle :P )
Lions could try to trade Aish to a side lacking mids with an abundance of KPP. I would personally be focusing on bringing a young defender or forward with 50 games under their belt. The Crows have a lot of players that suit that category, Port are a little desperate when it comes to KPPs so I think the Lions should pursue our rivals. The Demons are another side & GWS has Hoskin-Elliott up for grabs. Empirically, the Lions weakness is in the inexperienced forward & back lines, the midfield is already strong and that's why I think Aish wouldn't be a big loss to them. Hopefully Leppa recognises that by the off-season (makes you think about how important Docherty, Longer (resting forward), Karnezis, & Yeo would have been)
Quote from: Ringo on May 02, 2015, 08:16:46 PM
In fairness to dropping of Aish he is a midfielder and is output has not been good.
He was reported for striking in the NEAFL. That's not going to help.
Aish to the pies next year
definitely not Jesse White
Aish to Hawks for Tim Obrien and Schoenmakers ;)
Quote from: Ringo on May 02, 2015, 07:53:16 PM
Bear in mind Beams, Christensen and Robinson had to gel with the midfield.
What has been Robinson's role at the Lions? Midfield or high half forward rotating through the midfield?
Quote from: Samsturmfels on May 03, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
Aish to the pies next year
I think Aish will return to Adelaide. The Lions have a history of making players homesick and bad haircuts hahaha :P
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Quote from: Samsturmfels on May 03, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
Aish to the pies next year
I think Aish will return to Adelaide. The Lions have a history of making players homesick and bad haircuts hahaha :P
Maybe its froghead Mitch Clark style homesick?
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Quote from: Samsturmfels on May 03, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
Aish to the pies next year
I think Aish will return to Adelaide. The Lions have a history of making players homesick and bad haircuts hahaha :P
Maybe its froghead Mitch Clark style homesick?
He seemed quite happy in this picture
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Mitchellclark.jpg)
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 10:29:48 PM
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Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 03:45:03 PM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on May 03, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
Aish to the pies next year
I think Aish will return to Adelaide. The Lions have a history of making players homesick and bad haircuts hahaha :P
Maybe its froghead Mitch Clark style homesick?
He seemed quite happy in this picture
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Mitchellclark.jpg)
Must've been thinking about all the money he was going to steal from Melbourne
Quote from: Ringo on May 03, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
definitely not Jesse White
You can have for free
Ben Reid for a fresh start? ::)
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on May 03, 2015, 10:16:21 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 03:45:03 PM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on May 03, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
Aish to the pies next year
I think Aish will return to Adelaide. The Lions have a history of making players homesick and bad haircuts hahaha :P
Maybe its froghead Mitch Clark style homesick?
He seemed quite happy in this picture
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Mitchellclark.jpg)
Must've been thinking about all the money he was going to steal from Melbourne
hahahahahahahahaha
Geelong look as if they are slipping, I would happily bet that if Geelong slip out of the 8 he'll pull the same shower again, demanding a trade to the Swans hahahaha
any news on Rocky do you think he will play this week
Rocky has been cleared of a broken jaw which is good news. Concussion will be the issue though with all testing being continued through the week. As he was out even before he hit the ground I suspect he may have difficulty passing the tests and may be out this week. Just my opinion though.
Give his ribs and body another rest lads, give him the week off
Quote from: elephants on May 04, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Give his ribs and body another rest lads, give him the week off
yeah and they have to travel and docs told him he cant fly for 6 weeks after the ribs
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Quote from: elephants on May 04, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Give his ribs and body another rest lads, give him the week off
yeah and they have to travel and docs told him he cant fly for 6 weeks after the ribs
As we know though, the Lions dont really listen to these so called doctors though :p
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Quote from: elephants on May 04, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Give his ribs and body another rest lads, give him the week off
yeah and they have to travel and docs told him he cant fly for 6 weeks after the ribs
As we know though, the Lions dont really listen to these so called doctors though :p
With the punctured lung though they may err on the side of caution.
Being our only possible win this year wouldn't surprise me if he kits up
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/lions-coach-justin-leppitsch-in-physical-clash-with-rookie-zac-obrien-20150505-ggu7ba.html?stb=twt
Brisbane Lions coach Justin Leppitsch has been involved in a physical clash with a young player at a seconds game at the weekend.
Leppitsch grabbed Lions rookie Zac O'Brien in the coaches' room at half time of the NEAFL match at the weekend after the young player had disrespected the seconds coach Shane Woewodin.
It is alleged Leppitsch grabbed the rookie by the throat and pinned him against the wall as he yelled at the 24-year-old midfielder, telling O'Brien his behaviour was not acceptable. The incident was seen and heard by the rest of the team.
The club has confirmed the altercation but disputed that Leppitsch had O'Brien pinned to the wall.
Lions chief executive Greg Swann said Leppitsch had hauled O'Brien into the meeting room to dress him down after O'Brien had sworn at Woewodin.
Swann said O'Brien had walked into the meeting room and stood on the tiered seating. He said Leppitsch grabbed the player by the jumper to pulled him down off the step and told the rookie not to attempt to stand over him.
The incident occurred after O'Brien had failed to come off the ground when he was instructed to during the second quarter of the match. When Woewodin challenged him for not coming off as instructed O'Brien claimed he did not know he was supposed to come off and swore at the coach, telling him where to go.
It is understood other players heard the way O'Brien spoke to Woewodin and Leppitsch was angry at the disrespect his coach had been shown, leading to the clash with O'Brien.
Leppitsch later apologised to the playing group for the incident.
O'Brien, who played in the Lions' round two loss to North Melbourne, has been told he will not be considered for senior selection for three weeks. The NEAFL team has a bye this week.
"We spoke to Justin about the incident and we are fully supportive of the action taken," Swann said.
"As far as we are concerned the matter has been resolved and there is no further issue. He did not have him pinned to the wall, when they walked into the meeting room Zac stood on one of the tiered rows of seats and Justin grabbed him by the jumper and said 'don't try and stand above me when I am talking to you'."
O'Brien played five games for the Lions seniors last season after coming to the club as a mature aged rookie from Essendon's VFL side. He has been elevated to the senior list for a long-term injured player
Looking past what Leppa did... A kid telling a coach to flower off is disgusting and more significant. Hopefully for Brissie's sake its isolated to just O'Brien and not also thoughts of others in that group (often thats not the case though), otherwise its a much bigger issue that just this one incident.
Wow, this kind of stuff is the last thing the Lions needs!
Yikes, what the hell is going on at Brisbane?
The pre-season looked so promising, but it seems like the first 5 weeks from hell.
Great to see some discipline in the club. As has been said telling a coach where to go in front of other players is not on in any sport. Leppitsch as senior coach was right in challenging the action by the player,
And this just in on twitter:
UPDATE: The Club will make a statement on the incident involving O'Brien & Leppitsch this afternoon stay tuned to Twitter for the statement.
And on another matter:
I have been trying to find link to article in today's Courier Mail with comments attributed to Leigh Matthews saying our woes are the result of a generation of drafting disasters and player retention since our 2003 premiership. The article was interesting reading and was spot on. This report also highlights that when Leppa asked firmer recruiting head Rob Kerr for the clubs list management document he was handed a piece of paper with clubs playing list.
It highlights our drafting issues all our top 10 picks from drafts since 2003 and with Aish a virtual certainity to leave we have none still at the club. (Mitch Clark, Lachie Henderson, Jared Polec and Billy Longer were other Top 10 picks). Article also highlights that the only players we have left from the drafts 2003 - 2009 where experience should now be to the fore are Jed Adcock, Matthew Leuenberger, Daniel Rich and Jack Redden. We had a win in the rookie drafts though with Hanley and Rockliff.
Matthews expresses complete confidence in Leppa and the Board in turning this around.
Looks like we are worse than Melbourne in the drafting stakes and may have to endure a little more pain yet.
Not concerned at all by what Leppitsch did
Hope it doesn't turn into a massive media beat-up
Quote from: Big Mac on May 05, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
Not concerned at all by what Leppitsch did
Hope it doesn't turn into a massive media beat-up
This. Who gives a shower. Bloke probably deserved it and 20 years ago he would have had more than his jumper grabbed.
If I were brisbane I would be tearing up Obriens contract.
Rockliff is out Dayne Beams in serious doubt
Interestingly both Leppa and O'Brien booth claim issue was sorted with both apologising and both disappointed that after all sorted on Monday it finds it way into the media for all and sundry to read.
Strikes we must both have the same unofficial source. ;)
Hopefully Harwood is back this week, did alright in NEAFL last week
Golby seems to be going ok. Does he have any JS?
Quote from: GoLions on May 06, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
Hopefully Harwood is back this week, did alright in NEAFL last week
Bloke can score actually, might be worth a cheeky look for a slutty late upgrade
Quote from: elephants on May 06, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 06, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
Hopefully Harwood is back this week, did alright in NEAFL last week
Bloke can score actually, might be worth a cheeky look for a slutty late upgrade
That's why I got him in BXVs! (no bias)
Then he goes and gets injured haha. Although Mackie has barely played a game either.
Quote from: T Dog on May 06, 2015, 04:29:00 PM
Golby seems to be going ok. Does he have any JS?
2 years ago Golby looked like he was gonna be a lock in our team for the next 10 years. Then he went backwards last year. Injuries to Harwood and Hanley meant he got another chance, and he seems to be going ok...but I'd still have Harwood ahead of him. Might be fighting for a spot with Cutler when Harwood comes back.
Quote from: GoLions on May 06, 2015, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 06, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 06, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
Hopefully Harwood is back this week, did alright in NEAFL last week
Bloke can score actually, might be worth a cheeky look for a slutty late upgrade
That's why I got him in BXVs! (no bias)
When you say 'alright' how alright are we talking? ;)
Quote from: elephants on May 06, 2015, 04:41:52 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 06, 2015, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 06, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 06, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
Hopefully Harwood is back this week, did alright in NEAFL last week
Bloke can score actually, might be worth a cheeky look for a slutty late upgrade
That's why I got him in BXVs! (no bias)
When you say 'alright' how alright are we talking? ;)
Was around 90 in British, think 80ish in SC and should get better as he goes
Rocky confirmed starter for the this sunday !
Hamo wrong again
Quote from: strikes91 on May 06, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
Rocky confirmed starter for the this sunday !
Hamo wrong again
Didn't think he'd fly down for this.
Quote from: Grazz on May 07, 2015, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on May 06, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
Rocky confirmed starter for the this sunday !
Hamo wrong again
Didn't think he'd fly down for this.
Neither. Had to pass a training test today so I guess we'll find out tonight
Apparently we met with Aish :P
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-05-09/lions-to-fight-for-aish
Interesting article on Aish, Pickering and Carlton denying the meeting has taken place.
But Aish's manager Liam Pickering denied on Saturday the Blues had met with the midfielder, who has played 24 games with the Lions.
“I’m telling you it (the meeting) didn’t happen and Carlton have said the same thing,†Pickering told SEN.
“I’ve spoken to Carlton. There’s been about eight clubs who have rung me about him. At the moment he (Aish) hasn’t told me he doesn’t want to be at Brisbane.â€
Pickering will be meeting with Lions CEO this week according to article.
Leigh Matthews also has summed it up well Aish appears to be suffering from 2nd years blues atm and has been dropped on form and needs to lift to increase his trade value or his contract worth. Aish another to succumb to 2nd year Blues.
Great to see our first win and get to the Gabba on Sunday to see the boys pull of another upset inflicting Ports 2nd defeat in a row. Will be hard as Port will be smarting.
Interestingly the 2 of the Teams that have defeated us are in the Top 8 and another 2 equal 8th but out on % . Trust that this now gives us some momentum with Merrett and Hanley returning soon. Sauce has been a big out for us.
I only got to see the 2nd half, but some of the things I noticed;
- Christensen was amazing (but looking at stats was probably quiet in first half)
- Redden seemed to be just about back to his best
- Andrews was outstanding in defence
- McStay amazing up forward
- Don't care if he didn't get much of it, Leuey was a lot more valuable in the forward line than the stats show
- Robinson's ferocity was awesome (that tackle in the last qtr <3)
- Martin was insane
- Claye Beams looked near his best
- Rocky getting there
- Golby made a couple of errors I thought, would like to see Harwood come in for him
- Lester was really good in the 2nd half I thought as well
- Rich seemed kind of slow almost (more than usual), dunno if he was carrying any injury or something? Didn't seem 100% (FF says he hurt his ankle in the 2nd qtr actually, which might be why)
But still, we did make a lot of simple errors (as did Carlton). Dayne Beams missed two relatively easy shots on goal, Lester missed one as well. Couple of pretty poor kicks. Won't get away with that against Port.
Bring in Harwood pls lads so I can swoop him off the waiver in elite :p
GL Rich was heavily tagged by Armfield and it shows as they only had 16 possessions between them. Again proving Dan's lack of coping with tight tag.
Andrews will be a beast when he is fully developed. Bear in mind he does not turn 19 till December.
I also think "Squizzy" had his best game for the year as well. he seemed to be across the HB a lot as well and using his speed to move forward.
As you say only change may be Harwood for Golby - Harwood now has had 2 solid hit outs in reserves so should be right for recall.
Berger also showed what can be done with playing him at FF by bringing ball to ground on a few occossions and for once the mossie squad was there.
We still need to work on our centre clearance work from hit outs. martin quite often won the HO but Carlton brought the way. At one stage centre clearances favoured Carlton 9-0.
Lads just on Zorko, was obviously heavily tagged but only 11 touches is a pretty revolting effort. Reckon this tight attention on Zorko could continue?
Quote from: elephants on May 11, 2015, 12:43:32 PM
Lads just on Zorko, was obviously heavily tagged but only 11 touches is a pretty revolting effort. Reckon this tight attention on Zorko could continue?
Not every team tags 3+ guys every week :P
I'd have him 3rd in line for the tag though until Hanley comes back
Quote from: Ringo on May 11, 2015, 12:39:27 PM
GL Rich was heavily tagged by Armfield and it shows as they only had 16 possessions between them. Again proving Dan's lack of coping with tight tag.
Yeah I know he was tagged, just didn't seem right though. As I said, could've been his ankle.
Quote from: GoLions on May 11, 2015, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 11, 2015, 12:43:32 PM
Lads just on Zorko, was obviously heavily tagged but only 11 touches is a pretty revolting effort. Reckon this tight attention on Zorko could continue?
Not every team tags 3+ guys every week :P
I'd have him 3rd in line for the tag though until Hanley comes back
Haha fair call, Mick is clueless. Tagging three or four oppo players won't win you shower Mick
As we know Ele Curnow is the Blues No 1 tagger and was a surprise he went to Zorko rather than Beams. Zorko needs to work through the tags and try and take tagger out as well. As you say 11 possies whilst giving your opponent 23 not good.
Agree with GL though Zorko may be the third tag till Hanley returns. maybe Rocky will get it as he returns to form.
GL do not think it was solely due to his ankle as he had only 2 possessions in first quarter which was my concern. Tackle pressure was good though.
Anyone have stats for Harwood's two games in the NEAFL?
Quote from: elephants on May 11, 2015, 04:38:42 PM
Anyone have stats for Harwood's two games in the NEAFL?
Had a bye this weekend, but here are his stats in the two games he played
(http://i.gyazo.com/06081abd3bff75c2d9cb3c87d4b5c5ef.png)
(http://i.gyazo.com/d74c3992639c7b134f3f1910408d5ef4.png)
Obviously wasn't as good in his first game back, but was one of our best last week
Rich was bad yesterday, Lazy bad. Squibbed about 4 contests as well.
Quote from: GoLions on May 11, 2015, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 11, 2015, 04:38:42 PM
Anyone have stats for Harwood's two games in the NEAFL?
Had a bye this weekend, but here are his stats in the two games he played
(http://i.gyazo.com/06081abd3bff75c2d9cb3c87d4b5c5ef.png)
(http://i.gyazo.com/d74c3992639c7b134f3f1910408d5ef4.png)
Obviously wasn't as good in his first game back, but was one of our best last week
Harwood only played just over 2 qtrs in first game as well so those stats should be disregarded. Was to get some game time into legs initially.
here is Shane Woewodins comments on Harwood on his 2nd match
Ryan Harwood "Harzy’s second game back, he played more game time and was really good in the contest. Didn’t get beaten in his one on ones, certainly tried to overlap and give us a bit of run off half back, just needs to keep doing the simple things well."
Nice! After I posted that I went hunting and saw he was named in the best two weeks ago. Good signs indeed. Cheers for that GL and 11 possies in just over a half isn't terrible in your return game, thanks Ringo.
This also not helping our season Injury list
Cian Hanley (Knee) - Season
Jonathan Freeman (Ankle) - TBC
Pearce Hanley (Hip) - 3-4 weeks
Trent West (Knee) - Test
Jackson Paine (Ankle) - Indefinite
Archie Smith (Knee) - Test
Michael Close (Knee) - Season
Dan Merrett (Hamstring) - 2-3 weeks
Jaden McGrath (Foot) - 8-10 weeks
Sam Mayes (Foot) - 2-3 weeks
Matt Maguire (Concussion) - Test
Brent Staker (Hamstring) - 2-3 weeks
Darcy Gardiner (Ankle) - TBC
Allen Christensen (Wrist) - TBC
Johno freeman may be season ending as well so we have Close, Freeman and Paine all gone for the season and these were touted as coming through to replace Brown. McStay making his presence there now though.
Has Merrett suffered a setback with that hammy, gone from 1-2 weeks out to 2-3 hasn't he?
Only info on Merrett I have been given is injury taking longer to respond to treatment than expected. he has been out 5 weeks already.
Yeah that's what I thought, initially it seemed all the word was he was only a week or two away but I see that figure's now been pushed out again.
I guess they are pretty big hamstrings!
Observations from Port Game.
What a difference a win makes or was it the introduction of "Brion" as entrance tunnel. The team seemed to be switched on from the start. The first quarter there was a lot of skill errors from both sides but there was a bit of drizzle throughout the first quarter which probably contributed.
Was great to see that our attacking style finally geling with the team and paying off.
Our tackling was the best I have seen for a while making them stick on most occasions. Still the odd drop off but a vast improvement on previous weeks. Our second quarter where we kicked 5.2 to 1.6 gave us the momentum to go on with it. May have been different if Port had kicked straight but who knows.
Why Port elected to tag Rocky with Cornes and allow both Rich and Dayne Beams to go free is beyond me.
From Brisbanes perspective:
Paporone is really growing as a defender and looks to have found his position. Took quite a few intercept marks.
Aish probably had his best game of the year playing of the half back line and may make it difficult for Claye Beams to return. Maybe Golby may make way though.
Dayne Beams continues to settle in and was undoubtedly our best player.
Mitch Robinson (and I was one querying why we picked him up when we did) continues to provide muscle at the contests.
Daniel Rich played his best game of the year maybe due to the fact he was not tagged.
Harris Andrews continue to improve with every game and will be a beast when he fills out. Hard to believe he is still only 18.
Rocky continues to build and is still a little below his best.
Mosquito squad came into their own yesterday with "squizzy" Taylor all over the field moping up and using his peed. Josh Green also used his speed to advantage to boot one of his three goals. Zorko and Christensen were a little quieter but still played their part.
Cutler had the difficult job on Gray and was well beaten resulting in his subbing.
Umpiring was atrocious but it went both ways so no complaints. Quite a few holding the ball and in the back were let go or missed. The big one though and it went both ways was calling deliberate out of bounds when ball was kicked some 40 - 50 metres to open space downfield and eventually cross the line.
Can not see too many changes for next weeks game Aish as i said did enough to retain his place, Claye Beams may come in for Golby and if Sauce is fit he would come in for Clarke/Gardiner.
Quote from: Ringo on May 18, 2015, 09:52:55 AM
Our tackling was the best I have seen for a while making them stick on most occasions.
This. Our tackling, and just pressure in general was awesome. At one point in the last quarter I think we got like 4 tackles and 3 smothers around Port's forward 50. So good to see.
Agree with just about everything you've said Ringo, particularly on Paparone.
Will need to see how Harwood went this weekend, really want him back! But after this week, and with Claye to come back, not sure if he will :-\
Might be Golby and Cutler out for Beams and Harwood?
Harwood was not named amongst the best in the defeat by Giants in NEAFL. Will await the full report though.
In my summary forgot to mention Berger as well starting to provide the target and contest and played his best game of the year. Finally we may see the 2 ruck combo working.
Apparently Bewick and Dawson were both very good (31 possies and 4 goals respectively I think), so those two along with Beams probably the only potential INs
Aish, Leuenberger and Adcock contracts are on hold.
Club very intersted in landing Rance and Dixon. Matt Suckling as well.
First I heard about Suckling, Do not think we should pursue that one. We have a number of players similar to Suckling and who are younger.
Happy to pursue Rance though and Dixon is indicating he may say at Suns.
Would be very surprised if Rance chooses to go to Brisbane!
Quote from: Toga on May 19, 2015, 02:06:45 PM
Would be very surprised if Rance chooses to go to Brisbane!
Quote from: Ringo on May 19, 2015, 08:40:38 AM
First I heard about Suckling, Do not think we should pursue that one. We have a number of players similar to Suckling and who are younger.
Happy to pursue Rance though and Dixon is indicating he may say at Suns.
Dont think Suckling will go. Dixon might come down the road but im not sure where the suns are at the moment.
If the Suns start winning when GAJ gets back then Dixon will stay.
Rance wont leave Tigers, he wont leave Victoria
Rance could very well come to Freo imo. Comes home, excellent chance for a premiership...
I still think most likely for Rance is that he will re-sign, but yeah as you say ele if he was to leave Freo would be the most likely destination you'd think, purely for those two reasons. Not sure what the lure would be going to Brissy.
Quote from: Toga on May 19, 2015, 03:44:54 PM
I still think most likely for Rance is that he will re-sign, but yeah as you say ele if he was to leave Freo would be the most likely destination you'd think, purely for those two reasons. Not sure what the lure would be going to Brissy.
Yep, I agree. Only incentive to head North would be DOLLA DOLLA BILLS imo.
In saying that I reckon he'll either stay at the Tiges or quit.
Leppitsch is what would draw him to the club.
The sun would be the lure, he would save so much cash on solarium visits!
Injury list as at 19th May (Not much improvement)
Cian Hanley (Knee) - Season
Jonathan Freeman (Ankle) - TBC
Pearce Hanley (Hip) - 2-3 weeks
Trent West (Knee) - 4-5 weeks
Jackson Paine (Ankle) - Indefinite
Michael Close (Knee) - Season
Dan Merrett (Hamstring) - Indefinite
Jaden McGrath (Foot) - 8-10 weeks
Sam Mayes (Foot) - 2 weeks
Matt Maguire (Concussion) - Test
Brent Staker (Hamstring) - 2-3 weeks
Luke McGuane (Knee) - Indefinite
Claye Beams (Knee) - Test
this is the comment on Sauce
"“It’s a frustrating one with Dan, he’s obviously been out since Round 2, he just has a nerve that’s been irritated at the moment. It’s just about settling that down and making sure we don’t aggravate it. It’s indefinite at the moment and we’re looking at some conditioning and how we can get him up and going.â€
He is the one really missing down back as Clarke, Andrews and Gardiner do not have the body strength to cope with the power forwards of some teams. This is possibly the main reason we are chasing Rance as well as Goose is probably not the ideal replacement and he is injured as well.
I heard somewhere that Freeman won't need surgery on his ankle, so is around 6-8 weeks away
Also that Paine may be gone for the season?
Yep GL same information as I have. Freeman only rolled ankle at training to set his rehab back so 6 - 8 weeks would be good.
Interesting AFL Injury site still has Archie Smith listed as 2 weeks despite him playing in NEAFL.
Reserves wrap by Woewodin
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-05-19/reserves-wrap-rd6
and for those who wanted to know about Harwood especially
"Harzy was solid for us in defence, it’s good to see him getting back into some good form. Was great in the contest for us, both aerially and at ground level. Put him as an inside mid in the last quarter when Roh Bewick went off and certainly had an impact for us around the ball. Might try to do a little bit more of that as we go forward so Ryan can pick up his match fitness for senior selection."
Sounds as though still getting match fitness back.
Merrett's situation certainly is frustrating I can agree with that!
Patrick Keane â€@AFL_PKeane 36s37 seconds ago
AFL wishes to advise Tom Cutler has withdrawn from Bris Lions 25-man squad v Ess & replaced by Ryan Harwood. Final 22 determined later today
Really hope Harwood makes the final 22!
Reckon he could be sub material if he does though,
Quote from: Ringo on May 22, 2015, 01:06:29 PM
Reckon he could be sub material if he does though,
Yeah most likely, considering Cutler has gotten red or green a couple of times now, and Golby last week as well.
I'm expecting Claye to come in for Golby.
Brisbane Lions â€@brisbanelions 25m25 minutes ago
INJURY UPDATE: @reddo30 has a minor back injury and expected to miss a couple of weeks. #AFLDonsLions
To add further to our woes Liam Dawson may get a chance to show what he has.
Updated injury list
Sam Mayes - Foot - Test
Daniel McStay - Finger - 1-2 weeks
Jack Redden - Back - 1-2 weeks
Pearce Hanley - Hip - 1-2 weeks
Brent Staker - Hamstring - 2-3 weeks
Trent West - Knee - 4 weeks
Jonathan Freeman - Ankle - 6-8 weeks
Jaden McGrath - Foot - 8-10 weeks
Matt Maguire - Concussion - Indefinite
Daniel Merritt - Hamstring - Indefinite
Luke McGuane - Knee - Indefinite
Michael Close - Knee - Season
Cian Hanley - Knee - Season
Jackson Paine - Ankle - Season
Hanley getting close :)
Still not much improvement in the list -
We are really missing Sauce down back - makes the charge for Rance really necessary.
Welcome to my draft team Pearce Hanley <3
Quote from: elephants on May 27, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
Welcome to my draft team Pearce Hanley <3
Why? is he due back? ::)
Quote from: T Dog on May 28, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 27, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
Welcome to my draft team Pearce Hanley <3
Why? is he due back? ::)
1-2 weeks mate, I'll throw him on the bench
Quote from: Capper on May 28, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 28, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: T Dog on May 28, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 27, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
Welcome to my draft team Pearce Hanley <3
Why? is he due back? ::)
1-2 weeks mate, I'll throw him on the bench
as a mid?
You'd think so, seeing as he's mid only :P
Quote from: GoLions on May 28, 2015, 02:54:17 PM
Quote from: Capper on May 28, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 28, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: T Dog on May 28, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 27, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
Welcome to my draft team Pearce Hanley <3
Why? is he due back? ::)
1-2 weeks mate, I'll throw him on the bench
as a mid?
You'd think so, seeing as he's mid only :P
Haha this ^
Actually picked him up as trade-bait, would be tough for him to displace my worst midfielder in Brandon Ellis even when he is fit :p
Reckon the only real change this week will be Andrews forward to replace McStay and Bewick to come in at HB. Would have liked to see Hammelman play forward but I think this is how Leppa will go, O'Brien may come in for Aish but do not see it.
Not Harwood over Bewick Ringo?
Nah Bewick has been the best player in the NEAFL for 2 weeks. Harwood slowly regaining fitness and will be pressing. being used on the ball in NEAFL to gain fitness.
bourke in andrews up front ?
Harwood named at CHF. Lock him in for a bag of 10.
Dawson back pocket Harwood HF. Leppa stop being a strategic mastermind
Do we really think that is how they will line up. Doubt it.
Also Strikes surprised that we have not called Bourke up with yet another tall going down injured. Bourke has a little more body strength being in the system a little longer but despite outstanding from in NEAFL still overlooked.
Quote from: Ringo on May 29, 2015, 08:35:47 AM
Do we really think that is how they will line up. Doubt it.
Obviously not. That's why I was being conservative with only 10 goals ;)
So who doesn't make the final cut? Golby, Cutler, and one of Robertson/ZOB?
Extended bench is Bewick, C Beams, Robertson, Cutler, Gardiner, Golby, ZOB. Beams will definitely play unless injured. Bewick has been really good in NEAFL so I think he makes it. Gardiner wasn't fantastic last week, so maybe he gets dropped but I'd back him to keep his spot for another week. And then I think they'd go with a midfielder in Robertson/ZOB.
An interesting one here and I differ slightly to you GL. With McStay being 194cm and if we need height down back then perhaps Cutler may make the cut being the tallest of the group at 190cm. Harwood should be a straight replacement for Golby so I suspect the 3 to miss could be Golby, Robertson and O'Brien. If Aish was named on bench he may have made way for one of Robertson or O'Brien.
So basically it will depend on what match up Leppa has in mind. Paparone has the athleticism to go with Riewoldt but not sure whether Clarke can match up on Bruce.
Tom Rockliff re-broke all 3 of his ribs
Deary me. Rocky, Beams, Gardiner and Adcock out for next week. Harwood likely to play
Harwood will depend on tests this week, Was a pretty sickening blow though.
Comments on yesterdays game from my perspective at the ground and may differ from others.
1) Despite our supposed speed we seemed to be slow to react when ball was turned over. Riewoldt was allowed to roam to freely and when ball was turned over he seemed to be their go to man quite often in open spaces.
2) We did not match the intensity when Saints lifted in the second quarter. Some umpiring decisions did not help but we needed to respond which we failed to do. Surprising turnovers by Zorko and Taylor in this quarter lead to 4 Saints goals which surprisingly was the winning margin.
3) While I agree with Leppas game plan of running the vall we need to get rid of the overuse of handballs and kick the ball. So many times yesterday the ball was turned over when Saints players got their hands to the ball when we were hand passing. Need to kick as well and at least get the ball forward.
4) Injuries effected our run and we had to put Claye Beams at FF to allow some rotations.
5) We are still very slow to move the ball on when we take marks. Lost count of the number of times a mark was taken at HB and then player held it up rather than moving it quickly to players in the open.
The one real umpiring decision I was disgusted with was the chopping of Andrews arm in the goal square in the first quarter. He had the ball and was in the process of bringing it down when arms chopped free kick any day of the week not given. There were other ones as well eg Holding the Ball inconsistencies but we see that each week.
Players most likely to come in would be Cutler, Golby (ouch), Then would like to see Jordan Bourke and Matthew Hammelman given a go. Hugh Beasley is showing good form in NEAFL but would need to be elevated. Trust we will not try and rush Hanley back early though. Would rather see another competitive loss than see Hanley aggravate and miss rest of season.
Our injury crisis is so bad that assistant coach Leigh Harding has had a run with the NEAFL team
Feel free to discuss further
These injuries are getting flowering ridiculous now. Aish broken jaw as well. Hanley a chance to come back this week, but think he'll play in NEAFL
Quote from: Ringo on June 01, 2015, 09:38:52 AM
Harwood will depend on tests this week, Was a pretty sickening blow though.
Comments on yesterdays game from my perspective at the ground and may differ from others.
1) Despite our supposed speed we seemed to be slow to react when ball was turned over. Riewoldt was allowed to roam to freely and when ball was turned over he seemed to be their go to man quite often in open spaces.
2) We did not match the intensity when Saints lifted in the second quarter. Some umpiring decisions did not help but we needed to respond which we failed to do. Surprising turnovers by Zorko and Taylor in this quarter lead to 4 Saints goals which surprisingly was the winning margin.
3) While I agree with Leppas game plan of running the vall we need to get rid of the overuse of handballs and kick the ball. So many times yesterday the ball was turned over when Saints players got their hands to the ball when we were hand passing. Need to kick as well and at least get the ball forward.
4) Injuries effected our run and we had to put Claye Beams at FF to allow some rotations.
5) We are still very slow to move the ball on when we take marks. Lost count of the number of times a mark was taken at HB and then player held it up rather than moving it quickly to players in the open.
The one real umpiring decision I was disgusted with was the chopping of Andrews arm in the goal square in the first quarter. He had the ball and was in the process of bringing it down when arms chopped free kick any day of the week not given. There were other ones as well eg Holding the Ball inconsistencies but we see that each week.
Players most likely to come in would be Cutler, Golby (ouch), Then would like to see Jordan Bourke and Matthew Hammelman given a go. Hugh Beasley is showing good form in NEAFL but would need to be elevated. Trust we will not try and rush Hanley back early though. Would rather see another competitive loss than see Hanley aggravate and miss rest of season.
Our injury crisis is so bad that assistant coach Leigh Harding has had a run with the NEAFL team
Feel free to discuss further
Mayes should come in
Knew there was some one I forgot, he should be right this week.
Injury Lisst as at 2/6/15
Cian Hanley (Knee) - Season
Jonathan Freeman (Ankle) - 6-8 weeks
Pearce Hanley (Hip) - Test
Trent West (Knee) - 3 weeks
Jackson Paine (Ankle) - Season
Michael Close (Knee) - Season
Dan Merrett (Hamstring) - Indefinite
Jaden McGrath (Foot) - 8-10 weeks
Matt Maguire (Concussion) - Indefinite
Brent Staker (Hamstring) - 3-4 weeks
Luke McGuane (Knee) - Indefinite
Dan McStay (Finger) - 1-2 weeks
Jack Redden (Back) - Test
Jed Adcock (Calf) - 3 weeks
James Aish (Jaw) - 4-5 weeks
Tom Rockliff (Ribs) - 4-6 weeks
Darcy Gardiner (Calf) - 1-2 weeks
Claye Beams (Knee) - TBC
Ryan Harwood (Concussion) - Test
Redden and Hanley may be a chance this week
Michael Whiting â€@AFL_mikewhiting 13m13 minutes ago
Claye Beams to have knee surgery on Wednesday. He'll miss 3-4 weeks if it's just medial, and longer if meniscus is damaged #AFL
Michael Whiting â€@AFL_mikewhiting 10m10 minutes ago
Jack Redden (back) a "60-40" chance of playing I've been told.
Hope Beams injury is the minor one. Lad can not take a trick with injuries ever since his signing.
I saw someone say on one of the Lions supporters pages on Facebook that Zorko was in doubt for this week. Heard anything about that Ringo, or reckon they were talking shower? I haven't seen or heard anything else to suggest it's true.
I have not heard anything on that one GL. Zorko copped a pretty heavy bump late in the game though so may be coming out of that episode.
Any way with a bye next week reckon will play anyway unless really serious. Playing GWS so may want to put on a good show.
As previously talked about with Ringo, The Lions 2s are struggling with these injuries to players in the 1s
This is flowering bullshower. Claye Beams done for the season :'(
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-04/knee-surgery-to-end-beams-year-early-again
Been one of our best players this year. Wish him all the best with his recovery, hopefully has some better luck with injuries for the rest of his career.
FFS This bloke can not take a trick .He can do his rehab with Cian Hanley, Jackson Paine, Michael Close who are gone for season also and Dan Merret, Matt Maguire who are indefinite and Jayden McGrath, Jonathan Freeman who are still a minimum of 8 weeks away.
Will need the time off completely as injury to the medial ligament is to the same leg he had the knee reconstruction in 2013.
Only 28 fit players to choose our 22 from.
"Couple of new faces for Lions this weekend. Possibly Beasley and Bourke. Only 27-28 players to choose from - gonna be a thin reserves team!"
Beasley needs promotion though
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/brisbane-lions-defender-matt-maguires-career-on-line-after-concussion-20150611-ghlsr6.html
Damn :-\
Hopefully is able to recover fully, even if he doesn't play again. At least it's not impacting his normal life.
Not a nice way to end a career if it is. Hopefully he will still look at the mentoring role he has had with Clarke and Gardiner
Can't catch a break with Robertson going down
Do not about any other Lions fans but to me the performance against the Dogs in the third quarter was deplorable. Know we have had injuries and had further with Robertson on Saturday. But we had 21 players out there and there was no excuse for the lack of effort that was evident in the third quarter
Both teams were coming off the bye so we can not use that excuse either.
Think Berger must be really playing for his future as he looks sluggish around the ground and obviously not our number one ruckman. In previous seasons he could take marks in the forward 50 but that is definitely lacking in his game this year. Dropped a few on Saturday.
We have really missed sauce in the backline despite the good efforts of Clarke and Bourke.
Team really needs to lift this week and be competitive to show that we are still on track, Most have kept faith with the team and Leppas game plan but the time is now to again show the promise and competiveness of games before the byes.
Now that Rance has re-signed with the tigers I think rather than chasing Charlie Dixon we should be chasing Jake Carlisle who is rumoured to be upset with the way he is being used at the Bombers.
Couple of positives out the game though with the continued strong marking by McStay although I think he needs to work around the ground a little more, Squizzy seems to have cemented a spot on the wing and continues to improve.
The big question though I have from Saturday is why it took Leppa so long to man up Murphy, It was onbvious early that their sling shot was centred around hm.
Missed the game. How is Beams shoulder? Is it a worry?
Nothing in the after match reports or todays medicals so far. Looked just like a stinger as he came back on.
Quote from: Ringo on June 22, 2015, 02:05:18 PM
Nothing in the after match reports or todays medicals so far. Looked just like a stinger as he came back on.
Good to hear, cheers Ringo
Out for 2 weeks
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Out for 2 weeks
Thought you meant Beams for a moment and was going to rage.
Quote from: Nige on June 22, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Out for 2 weeks
Thought you meant Beams for a moment and was going to rage.
Haha nah, that's Robbo. I think I heard just the one for Beamsy :-\
jks
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 05:01:14 PM
Quote from: Nige on June 22, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Out for 2 weeks
Thought you meant Beams for a moment and was going to rage.
Haha nah, that's Robbo. I think I heard just the one for Beamsy :-\ jks
pls no :'(
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 05:01:14 PM
Quote from: Nige on June 22, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Out for 2 weeks
Thought you meant Beams for a moment and was going to rage.
Haha nah, that's Robbo. I think I heard just the one for Beamsy :-\ jks
flower you GL. Gave me a heart attack
Quote from: Ricochet on June 24, 2015, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 05:01:14 PM
Quote from: Nige on June 22, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 22, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Out for 2 weeks
Thought you meant Beams for a moment and was going to rage.
Haha nah, that's Robbo. I think I heard just the one for Beamsy :-\ jks
flower you GL. Gave me a heart attack
Hahaha I didn't see that
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-25/possible-no1-draft-pick-schache-keen-to-finish-off-his-dads-work-at-brisbane
Hope we get the chance for him seeing he would not mind coming here,
Quote from: Ringo on June 25, 2015, 11:20:37 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-25/possible-no1-draft-pick-schache-keen-to-finish-off-his-dads-work-at-brisbane
Hope we get the chance for him seeing he would not mind coming here,
Finish bottom 3 and you'd be in for a big big chance.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on June 25, 2015, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 25, 2015, 11:20:37 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-25/possible-no1-draft-pick-schache-keen-to-finish-off-his-dads-work-at-brisbane
Hope we get the chance for him seeing he would not mind coming here,
Finish bottom 3 and you'd be in for a big big chance.
not suggesting we tank though, ;) ;)
Quote from: Ringo on June 25, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on June 25, 2015, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 25, 2015, 11:20:37 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-25/possible-no1-draft-pick-schache-keen-to-finish-off-his-dads-work-at-brisbane
Hope we get the chance for him seeing he would not mind coming here,
Finish bottom 3 and you'd be in for a big big chance.
not suggesting we tank though, ;) ;)
With your injury list it'll be hard to call it tanking haha.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-could-lose-ruckman-matthew-leuenberger-without-getting-any-compensation/story-fni5f4q3-1227416878577
This could get interesting.
Not unexpected given Martins form and Berger not working out as a forward.
Suspect he will be used as trade bait to a club needing a ruck. In this instance we can not afford to be too demanding as he is a free agent so can walk for nothing so up to us to get the possible deal for him. Interesting that we are using him to try and get Suckling.
Still reckon we should be chasing hard for Carlisle though. Know Dixon is mentioned but do we not another injury prone player on our books. Look at Paine and McGuane this year,
Quote from: Ringo on June 27, 2015, 01:37:46 PM
Not unexpected given Martins form and Berger not working out as a forward.
Suspect he will be used as trade bait to a club needing a ruck. In this instance we can not afford to be too demanding as he is a free agent so can walk for nothing so up to us to get the possible deal for him. Interesting that we are using him to try and get Suckling.
Still reckon we should be chasing hard for Carlisle though. Know Dixon is mentioned but do we not another injury prone player on our books. Look at Paine and McGuane this year,
If you get anything for Luey you will be fortunate i think. The guy is extremely injury prone and not to many clubs if any will give away anything worthwhile when they can have him for bugger all. This may be one where the Lions just have to shrug their shoulders and say oh well it is what it is mate.
True Grazz - My personal opinion is that he may end up in the preseason draft due to his injuries as you say and not too many clubs will want to outlay big for him.
He seems to have lost all confidence this year as well, dropping marks he would normally take, not kicking as well etc.
Anyone tell me what Martin did to get 2 weeks?!?
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-06-29/stef-faces-two-weeks
Only just read it myself. Was at the ground myself and did not even see it.
Looked like Stef was used as a mid and Leuy in the ruck? Did it work? Both seemed to score very well?
Quote from: elephants on June 29, 2015, 04:04:30 PM
Looked like Stef was used as a mid and Leuy in the ruck? Did it work? Both seemed to score very well?
Well they lost, so....
:P
Quote from: Big Mac on June 29, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 29, 2015, 04:04:30 PM
Looked like Stef was used as a mid and Leuy in the ruck? Did it work? Both seemed to score very well?
Well they lost, so....
:P
Pfft so? They always lose ;)
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 29, 2015, 03:52:11 PM
Anyone tell me what Martin did to get 2 weeks?!?
He wasn't a Hawthorn player, so he got games for not being a Hawthorn player!!
i think Essendon would prefer Zach Smith over Luey since he is younger
but beggers cant be choosers
Quote from: elephants on June 29, 2015, 04:04:30 PM
Looked like Stef was used as a mid and Leuy in the ruck? Did it work? Both seemed to score very well?
Worked in parts ele - Berger worked more up the ground (he was mostly used as FF previously) and the ruck duties were shared virtually 50/50 which has been more than previous. This tended to suit Berger a little more has he had undoutedly his best game of the year,
Unfortunately we will not see it develop further due to Martins suspension
I think last round was an excellent display by Brisbane (excluding the final quarter :-\ )
They really should have won it, they deserved to win it, however Adelaide's final quarter comeback means that they deserved the win a little more.
I watched the first quarter were Brisbane were playing their best football of the season. They absolutely dominated the Crows, afterwards they declined and were relying more on the Crows inaccuracy in front of goals (reliance peaked in the 3rd term). Nevertheless I still think there were strong signs of improvement in a team I very much doubted at the beginning of the year. Beams was fantastic, Taylor set up clinch shots, McStay would have been excellent if he could have at least held onto the marks when he went up. Martin was really good but somethings I saw from him in the final term (that I'll elaborate on later - Luey was the bigger culprit of the two though) really contributed to the Lion's loss. I originally dismissed Harris Andrews & Bourke but the when I finally watched them for the first time both were very promising (I expected then to be at VFL standard as they are so young, however they held their own against experienced opponents with Andrews completely mitigating -hack- Tex's impact for the first half). My favourite though, was Mitch Robinson, he just really made the effort for the team and was back to his best with the 'kamikaze' style marking. Paparone was composed and looks a valuable player in the backline and it was good to finally see strong performances from the under performing Redden and Zorko.
I honestly, don't know what happened in that final quarter but it seemed to purely stem from a lack of experience. The Lions still had their fair share of inside fifties but you wondered whether any of the players in the forward line actually knew how to convert it in the circumstances - it was a situation only Beams, Hanley (who was subbed at this point), Rockliff (sitting in the coaches box) or Redden could have came through as the forwards were just to young to know how to capitalise when their pressure-ridden opportunities appeared.
My issues with Martin & Luey were: I distinctly remember two hit outs in the final quarter (one from each of them) which both results in Adelaide goals from the midfield. The hit outs were both directly to open Crows midfielders (Jacob's had no influence on either hit out) heading goal ward (and not even given the Lion's defenders a chance to man-up). I think it was a result of pressure, and neither of them should be recklessly tapping it in doubt. These were two blatant incidents, however there were multiple occasions in the final quarter in which either ruck would tap it to empty space (to the Crows' advantage...). I don't know whether it was because the midfielders weren't providing an option (which I doubt considering Beams was there and running untagged) but even if that were the case, it would be more advantageous to just knock it into the pack than open space where the Crows had the advantage.
From the game I would say the defenders will develop with time and don't need the focus. The tall forward (i.e. McStay) needs to work on the actually execution of his contested marking. But the greatest issue to work on will be with Martin & Luey's ruck work. Martin was fantastic as a midfielder and a ruck but made crucial errors in the final quarter (as a ruck, not a midfielder). I would honestly say, despite a strong first half, Luey contributed more to the Crows than the Lions in the final term.. The midfielders and rucks will need to work together to rectify this because they need to learn to handle the pressure (Beams, Redden, & Robinson handled it well, some players didn't, McStay giving away the free kick could have been detrimental - actually worked to the Lion's advantage but they still couldn't convert). Rich was top quality as always, but I feel Lion's fan want to see more from him (really is capable of being one of the game's elite players)
Overall, good signs of improvement from the Lions
Very honest opinion power. I aws at the ground as you would expect and missed the couple of martins hit outs but picked up on replay. Berger on the other hand i believe cost us the game with a couple of stupid hit outs in the forward 50 instead of killing it. Alos dropped a couple of marks which allowed Crows to rebound.
Will be interesting to see how Berger handles sole ruck for the next 2 weeks. He will get some relief from Andrews/Merrett.
Basically I think our real issue was that we could not run with Crows in the final quarter. The crows had finally worked out a lot of our drive was coming from "Squizzy" Taylor and did their best in limiting this drive causing turnovers.
Agree we do not defence back up as we look well set there but really need a forward target. McStay while looking good still is only young and needs to develop further as a forward. (He was a defender until out of necessity we had to play him forward).
One thing that our injury list has done is develop a number of swingman and that will serve us well into the future. McStay, Andrews, Bourke, Bewick can all play either end. Paporone has been the real surprise with his development and is one of the first picked each week. Rich as you see is the one that really needs to lift but would not be surprised if he is carrying an injury. He received a lot of physio attention and I remember a couple of kicks on his favoured left so not going as far as previous. None more so than his set shot for goal from inside 50 that was touched before the line.
Can only get better Andres only playing his 9th game of AFL and McStay his 19th, Of The team that we had on Saturday Night 10 of the 22 have played less than 50 games.
Great future providing we can retain most. Really happy with our efforts recently apart from the big blow out against the Dogs who are showing they will be the team we need to match going forward along with GWS
if GC cant sought itself out they should merge with Brissy and AFL start a team in Tassy
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 01, 2015, 12:08:58 AM
if GC cant sought itself out they should merge with Brissy and AFL start a team in Tassy
I don't think GC have too much of a problem long term. They the best prospective talent in the AFL (second to GWS) and, unlike GWS, have no problem with player retentions (as the Gold Coast is perceived as one of the most desirable cities to live in).
I wouldn't be surprised if Hunt is just trying to divert attention away from his own wrongdoings tbh. The leaders say there is no culture problem with the club (however, doubts have arisen due to the violations of the alcohol policies earlier this season) and Mitch Hallahan has said that, although not as professional as the Hawks (then again the Swans would be the only other team that comports themselves to a similar standard), the culture at the Gold Coast Football Club is nonetheless professional.
I wouldn't be surprised if a few players were caught out for cocaine use (I've heard rumours myself about drug and sexual misconduct at other clubs, however I don't attach much credibility to them - due to the ACC investigation I attach much more significance to GCFC's inquest). But I see the Gold Coast's slump subsiding once they reach full strength (should be able to contend for the 8 next year if all is well).
Brisbane are in a bit of trouble, however Richmond were in a similar situation due to Terry Wallace's shower 5 year plan and I think they had the talent to challenge for the top 4 the last 3 years now. I think it will take some time, but if Brisbane stay committed, their senior players perform at a higher standard, and Leppa & Swan make the right decisions the team will persevere. The problem is that their list is at a state in which you think, "can they afford to make another error in management"? Surely if they lose another 3-4 senior players they will be the equivalent of an NEAFL side. Nevertheless, I think they have made the right decisions in recruiting their prospective talent (with the exception of Aish - however, Jono Freeman was the first selected Queenslander in the draft so it's difficult to criticise (would have went for best talent available) but they should have further screened him to see if there was a chance of homesickness).
Also, I think a unified Qld team of Gold Coast & Brisbane would be a top 4 list (weakness in forward stocks - developing players for both sides - too strong a midfield, ruck, & back line hahaha)
Anybody rating Justin Clarke at all?. Was mentioned a bit on the radio call.
Justin Clarke is a key defender an at the ,moment takes opponents No 1 forward. He had the better of Tex for most of the game and his forte in preventing opponent from getting marks by spoiling. Until this art is recognised as a deliberate tactic by fantasy comps and scoring added accordingly these type of players will probably score an average mid 60.
If you had trades etc would probably be handy bench cover with that guaranteed 50/60.
Quote from: Ringo on July 01, 2015, 05:25:45 PM
Justin Clarke is a key defender an at the ,moment takes opponents No 1 forward. He had the better of Tex for most of the game and his forte in preventing opponent from getting marks by spoiling. Until this art is recognised as a deliberate tactic by fantasy comps and scoring added accordingly these type of players will probably score an average mid 60.
If you had trades etc would probably be handy bench cover with that guaranteed 50/60.
Thanks Ringo. Fits into AF nicely as a bencher
Quote from: T Dog on July 01, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on July 01, 2015, 05:25:45 PM
Justin Clarke is a key defender an at the ,moment takes opponents No 1 forward. He had the better of Tex for most of the game and his forte in preventing opponent from getting marks by spoiling. Until this art is recognised as a deliberate tactic by fantasy comps and scoring added accordingly these type of players will probably score an average mid 60.
If you had trades etc would probably be handy bench cover with that guaranteed 50/60.
Thanks Ringo. Fits into AF nicely as a bencher
Be prepared for some low scores though but just hope it is not when you are relying on them. Can through in a few when well beaten.
Sauce Merrett due back this week?
Had a full game against Northern Thunder in Darwin on the weekend in the NEAFL and was recorded amongst best players so expect him to be considered for call up.
Yet another brave performance from the boys. Have played 1st and second in the last 2 weeks and more than held our own only to fade a little in the last quarter. This weeks fade out not as bad as previously but we again failed to score a goal. Whether there is something wrong with our conditioning or whether it is the youngsters still not physical fit to match the demands do not know but the telling stat is that in our last 4 final quarters we have been outscored 24 goals to 4. This really needs to be addressed.
The real positive from the game is that we broke even 141 each in contested possessions where we have been well beaten previously. Need to keep improving in this area.
Injury to Gardiner early did not help our cause as it put us down a key defender. Still trying to fathom what he did or what happened to gift Tippett the 50 minute penalty for Swans first goal. Yes umpiring was again sub par but went both ways. What concerns me though is umpires tend to favour certain players in forward 50's. Buddys 2 frees a typical example and there was no difference to how Sauce wrestled with Tipett and Buddy yet Buddy gets 2 frees. Just an observation from the game, holding the ball continues to frustrate me at times players seem to be given an eternity to get rid of it yet at other times players are pinged almost instantaneously some no doubt ducking the head interpretation which is really a lottery. Hanley virtually had his head taken off in the goal square yet umpire called ducking the head and play on!! As I said though decisions went both ways but just highlighting my main beef over inconsistencies with rule interpretations.
More positives:
Andrews continues to hold up as a key defender. Although Buddy scored 3 goals 2 were from frees and he only had 5 possessions to half time due to Andrews close marking. He will be key defender for the next 10 years and time to offer extended contract now.
Sauce had a reasonable return and great to see him organising the defence from the rear. Had a great understanding with Andrews as Andrews dropped back when he ran up the ground.
Beams continues to show why he was brought to Brisbane and really forming a great partnership with Rocky.
Rocky is back and great to see him going into tackles so obviously really over the broken ribs. Credited with 11 tackles for the game.
Zorko undoubtedly had one of his better games for the year.
McStay really needs to work on his work at ground level with second efforts. If he drops a mark he tends to drop off rather than follow up.
Paparone continues to relish his role across half back and is open of first picked each week. The real surprise packet of the year and although not leading in Player of the year will be in the top 5 in my opinion at the moment.
Daniel Rich continues to be an enigma and really struggling to find form. His long kicking accuracy seems to have deserted him.
Nick Robertson may be strife for his little jab on Buddy bud a solid replacement for his name sake.
Two disappointments from the game itself - There seemed to be a lack of communication with the start of the game. A tribute to Phil Walsh was starting and then the initial siren sounded meaning the tribute was missed.
Secondly the continued booing of Adam Goodes every time he received the ball is really not on. Goodes has done nothing to the Brisbane club and this reaction is totally unwarranted. Apologies to Sydney fans.
Come on boys this weekend and give it to the Demons.
Think you'll find Sydney are third, we're second ;)
But great writeup Ringo!
those extra weeks did rocky good. showed no hesitation tackling
No idea how we're favourites this week
Your midfield is crazy good
Gone close to Swans and Freo the past 2 weeks as well
Quote from: Big Mac on July 13, 2015, 06:54:00 PM
No idea how we're favourites this week
Your midfield is crazy good
Gone close to Swans and Freo the past 2 weeks as well
Probably because you are at home. ;)
Have not updated our injury list for a while but still pretty lengthy with 6 players gone for the season.
Cian Hanley (Knee) - Season
Jackson Paine (Ankle) - Season
Michael Close (Knee) - Season
Jaden McGrath (Foot) - Indefinite
Luke McGuane (Knee) - 1-2 weeks
Claye Beams (Knee) - Season
Josh Watts (Groins) - Test
Josh Green (Foot) - 4-6 weeks
Mitch Robinson (Ankle) - 1-2 weeks
Ryan Lester (Knee) - 6-8 weeks
Darcy Gardiner (Shoulder) - Season
Lester is the latest to be added to the list and there goes a little more of our depth.
Agree with this assessment of our players on the outer:
After turning over 25 players in the past two seasons, Justin Leppitsch is getting closer to the team he wants. Young midfielder James Aish has been the centre of much speculation surrounding his future. The club wants him, but the 19-year-old is yet to commit anywhere for 2016. Aish has struggled for form, played just nine games and been dropped twice in a difficult second season.
Ruckman Matthew Leuenberger might not be fighting for his career, but he is fighting for his spot at the Lions. He was spoken about as a potential trade chip to lure Paddy Ryder last off-season, and playing second fiddle behind Stefan Martin in 2015, the out-of-contract West Australian seems in limbo. He has much to offer, but wants to be the No.1 ruck option and has eight weeks to prove he is.
Veteran Brent Staker has looked off the pace in his four senior games this year, while fellow forward Jackson Paine has played six games in two seasons and suffered a season-ending ankle injury.
Talented half-back Mitch Golby has fallen out of favour, playing just five times this year, in a loaded part of the ground. - Michael Whiting
Staker to retire as I doubt he will be trade bait.
Golby definite trade bait and he has fallen way down the pecking order with the emergence of Paparone in that role and Harwood to return as well.
Paine not sure really waht to make here but he sure will be a pain to retention committee.
Aish is one that if we have to let go we should be asking reasonable compensation for.
Berger is the other difficult one especially with West still in the wings and kicking 2 goals in NEAFL.
I agree with your assessment of Staker, Golby and Aish. With Paine I think we give him one more year and see how he goes, my expectations are that unless he cracks the first team next year he'll be gone. Leuy is definitely challenging, but I think we should resign him ASAP and use Martin as trade bait :o or not use Martin in the ruck and use him as a midfielder with occasional stints down forward and/or in the ruck. Leuy is a better ruckman imo.
Maybe use Martin similar to how Geelong are using Blicavs this year with Burger in Ruck.
Quote from: Ringo on July 15, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
Maybe use Martin similar to how Geelong are using Blicavs this year with Burger in Ruck.
Yup. I reckon we should give that a go.
hey guys, just wondering who you think will play on Hogan this week, will it be Merrett?
thanks
Will be Merrett or Clarke depending on where Hogan plays. Merrett will be on him when he plays near the square and Andrews if he roams up the ground.
Hoping for a big game for McStay this weekend. Debuting in my SC team this week (thought he was the perfect POD as he kicked bags against Carlton & the Bulldogs in the past). Worried McDonald may mark him though :-\
Hopefully he gets 4-5
Quote from: powersuperkents on July 18, 2015, 07:36:22 PM
Hoping for a big game for McStay this weekend. Debuting in my SC team this week (thought he was the perfect POD as he kicked bags against Carlton & the Bulldogs in the past). Worried McDonald may mark him though :-\
Hopefully he gets 4-5
That's a very bold move :o
Quote from: nrich102 on July 18, 2015, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on July 18, 2015, 07:36:22 PM
Hoping for a big game for McStay this weekend. Debuting in my SC team this week (thought he was the perfect POD as he kicked bags against Carlton & the Bulldogs in the past). Worried McDonald may mark him though :-\
Hopefully he gets 4-5
That's a very bold move :o
Probably the best decision option I had available tbh (either field Suban or Bewick with vest threats or Jenkins, Mackay, or Sexton with spud threats. McStay seems to score decently when he scores 3-4 goals so I think the risk on him is better than any of the other options :P )
Now let's hope that he isn't marked by McDonald :-\
Freeman is playing reserves. McStay could be out of the team soon if he doesn't improve his effort
Quote from: strikes91 on July 19, 2015, 10:37:40 AM
Freeman is playing reserves. McStay could be out of the team soon if he doesn't improve his effort
Flower me!! Watched him play against Adelaide in the last quarter and, although he dropped every mark, he easily won the contests (just didn't hold onto it). I thought he would have learned to finish the play in the last 2 weeks :-\
Wasn't aware that he was playing poorly (I do recall him missing an easy set shot against the Crows as well). I think he has a lot of potential as a CHF or HFF in the future, but players take years to develop into those roles :-\
I just hope I haven't made a mistake, Gawn has dominated every game except against Nic Nat, so I'm also worried he won't go big against a more experienced Luey and a bigger, but not taller, Stefan Martin :-\
Quote from: powersuperkents on July 19, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on July 19, 2015, 10:37:40 AM
Freeman is playing reserves. McStay could be out of the team soon if he doesn't improve his effort
Flower me!! Watched him play against Adelaide in the last quarter and, although he dropped every mark, he easily won the contests (just didn't hold onto it). I thought he would have learned to finish the play in the last 2 weeks :-\
Wasn't aware that he was playing poorly (I do recall him missing an easy set shot against the Crows as well). I think he has a lot of potential as a CHF or HFF in the future, but players take years to develop into those roles :-\
I just hope I haven't made a mistake, Gawn has dominated every game except against Nic Nat, so I'm also worried he won't go big against a more experienced Luey and a bigger, but not taller, Stefan Martin :-\
I would expect Staker to get dropped before McStay tbh, but Freeman will surely come in once he's fit enough.
Quote from: GoLions on July 19, 2015, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on July 19, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on July 19, 2015, 10:37:40 AM
Freeman is playing reserves. McStay could be out of the team soon if he doesn't improve his effort
Flower me!! Watched him play against Adelaide in the last quarter and, although he dropped every mark, he easily won the contests (just didn't hold onto it). I thought he would have learned to finish the play in the last 2 weeks :-\
Wasn't aware that he was playing poorly (I do recall him missing an easy set shot against the Crows as well). I think he has a lot of potential as a CHF or HFF in the future, but players take years to develop into those roles :-\
I just hope I haven't made a mistake, Gawn has dominated every game except against Nic Nat, so I'm also worried he won't go big against a more experienced Luey and a bigger, but not taller, Stefan Martin :-\
I would expect Staker to get dropped before McStay tbh, but Freeman will surely come in once he's fit enough.
Yeah if I were Leppa I would play Freeman in FF & keep McStay at CHF. Staker has experience, however he is well past his prime
I want to see Daniel Rich in rover as well. I think he is a better mid than any of their current players (excluding Beams but including Rocky, Hanley, & Redden). They should play him where he belongs, even if that means moving Hanley to the HBF or Rocky to the wing or centre mid (Beams RR & Rich Rov imo)
McStay was balls today, shows no effort in trying to make space or get a tackle
That is an area McStay really has to work on - Can take an overhead mark but really needs to work around the ground. Freeman has had a couple of games in NEAFL so should be given an opportunity to show what he has.
Berger failed to grasp his opportunity to prove he is the No 1 ruck at Brisbane. Was given first half but martin went into ruck in second half and showed he will not relinquish easily.
Was a very sloppy game and again showed we are slow to move the ball on. Too often ball was held up with a mark allowing demon defenders to cover. Was our worst display for some time.
Reckon given we are no hope should rest Beams or send for surgery early as he is obviously in discomfort with that shoulder.
Hanley can not take a trick with injuries this year with a quad injury yesterday,
Andrews continues to blossom and being an Academy Graduate and should be a priority to sign extended contract
So not all doom and gloom with Bundy having his best game of the year, Paparone (despite his kick in error) continuing to shine.
Time to regroup and kill off Roos finals hopes on Saturday night.
lucky he was in sub so he didn't ruin my HGA :P . Disappointing effort by McStay and will most likely not be recalled to my starting line-up for a few years to come - however, still a long-term prospect for our side as we think he has strong future potential (may be a CHF who is inconsistent in the future but averages in the 80's).
Paparone has been fantastic this season, Brisbane just need to lock him down (because they don't want him to become another Yeo type in Freo or the WCE). A lot of potential in this kid and great insight by Leppa in converting him to the defence, he was pretty useless up forward but he looks to be a draft steal if he continues to improve as a defender (really one of the brightest prospects in the AFL this season - never rated him until this year)
The premier himself nominated for rising star #gun
Essendon have emerged as front runners for Luey
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 04, 2015, 10:12:13 PM
Essendon have emerged as front runners for Luey
and treat him like Giles haha
flower me sideways, McGuanes in
ZOB in yessssss
McGuane massive lol
Report from last weeks reserves:
"Luke continues to improve and get better after coming back from his knee injury. He’s had 24 possessions this week, he played a little bit behind the ball at times throughout the day just to stem the bleeding from the Swans. His ability to lead from the front, he was really good in the contest for us. He still had four shots on goal, he kicked 1.3 but certainly puts himself into selection for senior mode"
McGuane is the replacement for Berger and with our forward problems nothing much left in the cupboard with the injuries to Close and Paine as well. Evans I suspect will be the sub. Personally would have preferred to see Archie Smith blooded but I guess selectors know best.
And the injury curse continues:
Justin Clarke has a broken jaw - apparently broke it in first contest on Saturday but played game out. Number of games out to be determined.
Nick Robertson - Done a hammy in the NEAFL and out for 3/4 weeks.
Running out of tall defenders with Gardiner also out for season -
Beasely to come in for Clarke you would think
Quote from: strikes91 on August 11, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
Beasely to come in for Clarke you would think
unless we want to blood Watts or Hammelman who have been playing as defenders in NEAFL.
Martin apparently is looking to go back to Victoria reported by Barrett on the Footy Show.
Be a big loss if he does.
Just heard the same news... Where does that leave Leuey sitting? ???
Bombers 2015 1st rounder and 2016 1st rounder
for
Martin + Aish
k thanks bye
Lol not happening.
Quote from: Toga on August 13, 2015, 10:00:03 PM
Just heard the same news... Where does that leave Leuey sitting? ???
In a pretty good spot now i imagine, they need to keep him.
My understanding is that Martin is contracted till end of 2016 and what happens after that is open to discussion. WE have space in Salary cap to increase offer to keep him and with possible further retirements more will be freed,
Regarding Berger Sydney are believed to have entered the race as well.
someone trying to tell me Martin only worth an early 2nd rounder facepalm
Unfortunately in Qld we do not get the AFL Footy show till after 11:30pm so for obvious reasons can not watch. Anyway received this to confirm what was said:
The AFL Footy Show â€@AFLFootyShow 11h11 hours ago
Brisbane ruckman Stefan Martin is considering formally telling @BrisbaneLions of his intentions to return to Vic due to personal reasons.
May mean we know pull out all stops to retain Berger if this is the case as Archie Smith is still probably a season away from fully developing his skills from a basketball background.
Obviously as the 2nd best ruck he is worth more than a second round pick. You have to be joking.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 14, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
someone trying to tell me Martin only worth an early 2nd rounder facepalm
It's actually not that bad
He is going to be 30 next year, and yes he is a good ruck and extra mid and does very well from an SC perspective, but his age has to be factored in here
Giving up a 1st round kid which could go on to be a 10 year player for your club, for a ruck who has a couple of years left probably isn't the right move, unless you're in the premiership window and even then I reckon a 1st rounder is probably overs
I reckon a 2nd rounder, or a player and pick is about right
Here is the article
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-13/inform-ruckman-may-ask-for-trade-from-brisbane-lions
Will be massive if he does move back to Vic
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 14, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
someone trying to tell me Martin only worth an early 2nd rounder facepalm
It's actually not that bad
He is going to be 30 next year, and yes he is a good ruck and extra mid and does very well from an SC perspective, but his age has to be factored in here
Giving up a 1st round kid which could go on to be a 10 year player for your club, for a ruck who has a couple of years left probably isn't the right move, unless you're in the premiership window and even then I reckon a 1st rounder is probably overs
I reckon a 2nd rounder, or a player and pick is about right
a team like Bulldogs or Swans would happily give up there late 1st rounder though i imagine would help either team contend for a premiership
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 14, 2015, 08:42:32 PM
a team like Bulldogs or Swans would happily give up there late 1st rounder though i imagine would help either team contend for a premiership
Swans won't they'll want Mills. Dunno if Bullies will, given how well they've done banking on kids in the draft recently. Everyone else that needs a ruck will have a very high draft pick and I can't see them giving it up for him.
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 14, 2015, 08:42:32 PM
a team like Bulldogs or Swans would happily give up there late 1st rounder though i imagine would help either team contend for a premiership
Swans won't they'll want Mills. Dunno if Bullies will, given how well they've done banking on kids in the draft recently. Everyone else that needs a ruck will have a very high draft pick and I can't see them giving it up for him.
Would be great for the Dogs though. He is 30 so they could easily pass on him and keep drafting youth as you say worked well so far.
Great way to finish the season off with a win. Not sure why we're getting rid of Adcock, he's been a great servant to the club and was very good today. Hopefuly this gives us some confidence going into next season and hopefully we still get Schache :P
Great Game by the boys today - Still a little too hand ball happy for my liking though. Hope Leppa took note of what can happen when given so free reign.
Was really an open game as evidenced by the 38 goals scored. Thought our shocking goal kicking may heave cost us initially. Seen a couple of things tonight which were out of the ordinary. The Bulldog defenders shook hands with their opponents before bounce. Could not see up the other end to see what happened there.
Harris Andrews pulled a few players out of a fracas after we were awarded a free 45 out and in front of goal. Maturity for an 18 year old and not wanting kick reversed.
Despite scoring 4 goals I think Justin Clarke did a reasonable job on Jake Stringer. Dan Merrett considers to frustrate as evidenced by his running off the line from an out of bounds on full free kick resulting in a throw in. Elementary error and cost us a goal.
We should be throwing everything and the kitchen sink to retain Stefan Martin. The small mosquito squad had their best game for a number of weeks and showed what happens when all click.
Really warming to Mitch Robinson and the hardness he brings to our midfield.
From the bulldogs and they are an exciting team if Easton Wood does not make all Australian I will be surprised. Do not know how many intercept marls he collected. Bontempelli and Rocky went head to head a fair bot of the night and Rocky shaded him. Macrae will be a star.
let us hope the win gives us some confidence for the new year. We showed we can match it with another young side that is playing finals.
Wonder whether Leppa will reconsider on Adcock after todays performance. Vintage Jed especially his long sealer.
Impressed by the Lions actually trying to avoid the spoon, really gain a lot of respect for that
and thanks for sending Carlton to last
Didn't think the game would amount to much, shows how wrong you can be. Was a good game of footy. Lions did well to get back into the contest after the Dogs kicked away early then to win it was a great effort.
Reading a few of the rumours and releases coming out and this is my opinion it would appear that Leppa has a communication issue with players. If this is true then we should be trying to get Peter Schwab up to Brisbane more often to assist.
Craig Lambert will help as well and maybe Leigh Matthews could as well.
Looks like Lambert will be bringing Nathan Wilson with him from GWS.
More disturbing though is Josh Green has been linked with going to Carlton to join his former Clarence Coach in Brendan Bolton. Can not afford to lose Green imo.
So that now makes us according to reports fighting hard to retain the services of Redden, Leuenberger, Aish, Mayes and now Green. Hopefully we can retain a couple with Adcock also leaving.
In good news however Martin and Zorko have assured the club they will be with them next years.
Nope. Green is staying. Not leaving. Fml
Wilson's a handy pickup!
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-09-12/our-club-champions
For those are interested we had a four way tie for Murray/Merrett Medal with Dayne Beams, Dayne Zorko, Stefan Martin and Mitch Robinson as joint winners. We have had joint winners before but never a four way tie.
Congratulations to the 4.
Trust the winner of Reserves Best and Fairest does not go the way of last years and is delisted. Congratulations Zac O'Brien.
4 way tie is pretty amazing. Doubt that has happened at any club before
who was last year's ressies winner that got delisted Ringo?
Quote from: Ricochet on September 13, 2015, 11:40:04 AM
who was last year's ressies winner that got delisted Ringo?
Nick Hayes I think his name was.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-2015-stefan-martin-cant-give-100-per-cent-guarantee-he-will-stay-in-brisbane/story-fni5f4q3-1227524836861
Been saying for weeks he could well not be there next year.
Will get big $ from Melbourne based clubs.
Watch this space.
Are you Damian Barrett or something? Or even worse have you been listening from Damian Barrett?
He'll be here next year.
Tbh, I hope ZOB goes the same way as Hayes, I don't like him.
Quote from: Nige on September 13, 2015, 12:06:30 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 13, 2015, 11:40:04 AM
who was last year's ressies winner that got delisted Ringo?
Nick Hayes I think his name was.
Correct Nick Hayes won last year and was delisted. He returned to Woodville Torrers this year so maybe some Eagles supporters may want to advise how he went.
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 13, 2015, 10:28:30 AM
4 way tie is pretty amazing. Doubt that has happened at any club before
Unique Rusty but more so given our unique voting system
1. There is no restriction on the number of players who can receive votes.
2. Each line coach will grade and allocate a maximum of four votes to a player in each of the three areas of the Game Plan (offence, defence, contest) the maximum votes a player can receive in a match is 12.
3. The player's Game Plan compliance is reviewed when allocating votes across each of the three areas. Coaches will consider a player's ability to consistently demonstrate and apply our Team Values smart (offence), organised (defence), relentless (contest) over the course of the game.
4. Each line coach submits their votes on Monday morning for rigorous discussion and comparison with players from other lines.
5. Votes are finalised following this process.
So for 4 players to be tied under this system is extraordinary.
@Aaron Kirk you can read that article a number of ways. And I read as basically if Stefs Partner gets a decent acting offer then that is the change in circumstances which he may return to Melbourne. He will definitely be at Brisbane next year if not. Need to remember he is contracted next year so there will be a hard bargain negotiated by Brisbane.
It's all good. Green will be here next year and so will Zorks. Im pretty sure Martin will stay as well.
Hey I was just wondering why is Brisbane going to let Aish go? Like shouldn't they try and get the most out of a bad situation?
Quote from: Money Shot on October 08, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Hey I was just wondering why is Brisbane going to let Aish go? Like shouldn't they try and get the most out of a bad situation?
Brisbane are not letting Aish go. He is out of contract as at 31st October and has requested a trade to Pies. Brisbane are refusing to negotiate a trade and if he wants out will have to go to the National draft.
Starting to query why we have a draft if players who have been at a club for only 2 years can dictate where they want to go. Who needs free agency when this is the case.
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Quote from: Money Shot on October 08, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Hey I was just wondering why is Brisbane going to let Aish go? Like shouldn't they try and get the most out of a bad situation?
Brisbane are not letting Aish go. He is out of contract as at 31st October and has requested a trade to Pies. Brisbane are refusing to negotiate a trade and if he wants out will have to go to the National draft.
Starting to query why we have a draft if players who have been at a club for only 2 years can dictate where they want to go. Who needs free agency when this is the case.
I'm confused as why though ... He is going to leave either way, so why not get something in return?
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Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2015, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 08, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Hey I was just wondering why is Brisbane going to let Aish go? Like shouldn't they try and get the most out of a bad situation?
Brisbane are not letting Aish go. He is out of contract as at 31st October and has requested a trade to Pies. Brisbane are refusing to negotiate a trade and if he wants out will have to go to the National draft.
Starting to query why we have a draft if players who have been at a club for only 2 years can dictate where they want to go. Who needs free agency when this is the case.
I'm confused as why though ... He is going to leave either way, so why not get something in return?
To show the other kids that you cannot just do as you please
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Quote from: Money Shot on October 08, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Hey I was just wondering why is Brisbane going to let Aish go? Like shouldn't they try and get the most out of a bad situation?
Brisbane are not letting Aish go. He is out of contract as at 31st October and has requested a trade to Pies. Brisbane are refusing to negotiate a trade and if he wants out will have to go to the National draft.
Starting to query why we have a draft if players who have been at a club for only 2 years can dictate where they want to go. Who needs free agency when this is the case.
I'm confused as why though ... He is going to leave either way, so why not get something in return?
To show the other kids that you cannot just do as you please
And I love it. Go Brissie!
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Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2015, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 08, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2015, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 08, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Hey I was just wondering why is Brisbane going to let Aish go? Like shouldn't they try and get the most out of a bad situation?
Brisbane are not letting Aish go. He is out of contract as at 31st October and has requested a trade to Pies. Brisbane are refusing to negotiate a trade and if he wants out will have to go to the National draft.
Starting to query why we have a draft if players who have been at a club for only 2 years can dictate where they want to go. Who needs free agency when this is the case.
I'm confused as why though ... He is going to leave either way, so why not get something in return?
To show the other kids that you cannot just do as you please
And I love it. Go Brissie!
Fair enough. Good on them!
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Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2015, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 08, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Hey I was just wondering why is Brisbane going to let Aish go? Like shouldn't they try and get the most out of a bad situation?
Brisbane are not letting Aish go. He is out of contract as at 31st October and has requested a trade to Pies. Brisbane are refusing to negotiate a trade and if he wants out will have to go to the National draft.
Starting to query why we have a draft if players who have been at a club for only 2 years can dictate where they want to go. Who needs free agency when this is the case.
I'm confused as why though ... He is going to leave either way, so why not get something in return?
To show the other kids that you cannot just do as you please
And I love it. Go Brissie!
Fair enough. Good on them!
+1
The club has done so much for him and given him playing opportunities that other clubs would not. Even then he squandered them this season.
I don't think it would be an issue if he didn't take so long to tell them (he took 33 days to decide - I think the Lions would have at least attempted to broker a trade for him if he had communicated his intention to leave a convenient time).
Hopefully the club can reduce its list to a number of players who are as loyal as the supporters who follow them (Leigh Matthews was fantastic at finding dedicated players in their glory years). Say what you will about Leppa, but he has got them on the right track. The club needs to be very careful with their first round picks from now on.
Regarding, Redden, I think he did the right thing communicating his intention to leave early so that the Lions would not be flowered over next year. I don't agree with delisting Adcock though, he was a fantastic leadership figure for the club. However, I would trust the coaching staff to know what they are doing.
I don't think anyone agrees with delisting Adcock lol.
Quote from: nrich102 on October 09, 2015, 08:24:12 AM
I don't think anyone agrees with delisting Adcock lol.
+1 and more so now with the interest expressed in Stevie J making the decision even more puzzling. Adcock had also indicated he wanted to go into coaching as well.
The case between Redden and Aish are so different, Redden becomes a restricted free agent next year so with him informing the club he wants a trade it is better to trade now while we have some currency and I agree with this. Aish on the other hand has delayed his decision for so long keeping the club constrained with its plans and finally at last minute asks to be traded to Pies. as I have said numerous times why can youngsters dictate terms after 2 years and I support the club in actions being taken. If they do not want to re-sign with the club then they go national Draft and take their chances and agree 100% with this.
If Aish walks to the PSD, do you think we will take him with pick 2, assmuming Carlton don't take him?
Quote from: nrich102 on October 09, 2015, 10:12:30 AM
If Aish walks to the PSD, do you think we will take him with pick 2, assmuming Carlton don't take him?
Carlton will take him.
SJ's coaching mind must be >>>>> than Adcocks
Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
SJ's coaching mind must be >>>>> than Adcocks
How can you be sure about that?
Yes he did play under Bomber Thompson, but legendary players rarely make good coaches (Paul Roos, the Scott Brothers, & Simpson are the only legendary players that are talented coaches off the top of my head).
Strangely, in a lot of sporting comps, spud players (not referring Adcock here - he was a solid defender over the course of his career, referring to 40 gamers etc.) become the most talented coaches.
But then again Leigh Matthews is arguably one of the greatest players and coaches in history. At the end of the day, it's down to the individual and what they have to work with
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Quote from: Ricochet on October 09, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
SJ's coaching mind must be >>>>> than Adcocks
How can you be sure about that?
Yes he did play under Bomber Thompson, but legendary players rarely make good coaches (Paul Roos, the Scott Brothers, & Simpson are the only legendary players that are talented coaches off the top of my head).
Strangely, in a lot of sporting comps, spud players (not referring Adcock here - he was a solid defender over the course of his career, referring to 40 gamers etc.) become the most talented coaches.
But then again Leigh Matthews is arguably one of the greatest players and coaches in history. At the end of the day, it's down to the individual and what they have to work with
I did say "must be" because Brissie are considering him for that player/coach role but didn't consider Adcock....
Also over the past few years its been noted quite often how smart SJ is in terms of coaching and that he was destined to be a coach
In trade winds today;
"Of course, a direct Bastinac-for-Aish swap is the Lions' preference but Aish insists he wants to don the black and white next year."
Who gives a shower what Aish's preference is... if he wants to leave (and he's already flowered over the club enough), the Lions should be able to trade him to the team offering the best deal possible...
I'm tired of these players thinking they dictate the terms. He isn't a free agent, his desired club therefore should not mean shower...
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 18, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
In trade winds today;
"Of course, a direct Bastinac-for-Aish swap is the Lions' preference but Aish insists he wants to don the black and white next year."
Who gives a shower what Aish's preference is... if he wants to leave (and he's already flowered over the club enough), the Lions should be able to trade him to the team offering the best deal possible...
I'm tired of these players thinking they dictate the terms. He isn't a free agent, his desired club therefore should not mean shower...
lol no. You can't just trade a person to any team you want
Quote from: Ricochet on October 18, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 18, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
In trade winds today;
"Of course, a direct Bastinac-for-Aish swap is the Lions' preference but Aish insists he wants to don the black and white next year."
Who gives a shower what Aish's preference is... if he wants to leave (and he's already flowered over the club enough), the Lions should be able to trade him to the team offering the best deal possible...
I'm tired of these players thinking they dictate the terms. He isn't a free agent, his desired club therefore should not mean shower...
lol no. You can't just trade a person to any team you want
AFL players have too many rights, the only difference between free agency & an out of contract player therefore means that with a trade you may get more, or less, than a restricted free agency compo pick (usually less).
It's getting ridiculous, the AFL needs to realise it's a business and if Aish is not willing to add value to Brisbane by playing there, the club made an investment and should be entitled to get the best return on it when he leaves - Aish should have no say in the matter. The AFLPA should only concern itself with injury compensation imo
Just met Simon Black at the Brisbane airport, top bloke. Still looks in good enough nick to be playing!
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Quote from: powersuperkents on October 18, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
In trade winds today;
"Of course, a direct Bastinac-for-Aish swap is the Lions' preference but Aish insists he wants to don the black and white next year."
Who gives a shower what Aish's preference is... if he wants to leave (and he's already flowered over the club enough), the Lions should be able to trade him to the team offering the best deal possible...
I'm tired of these players thinking they dictate the terms. He isn't a free agent, his desired club therefore should not mean shower...
lol no. You can't just trade a person to any team you want
AFL players have too many rights, the only difference between free agency & an out of contract player therefore means that with a trade you may get more, or less, than a restricted free agency compo pick (usually less).
It's getting ridiculous, the AFL needs to realise it's a business and if Aish is not willing to add value to Brisbane by playing there, the club made an investment and should be entitled to get the best return on it when he leaves - Aish should have no say in the matter. The AFLPA should only concern itself with injury compensation imo
I tend to agree mate, it is getting ridiculous. At most name the state they want to play in then the club chases the best result for the club but even that has it's issues as the clubs in that state (outside Victoria) may have no need for that particular kind of player. Something needs to change though players two years into the system can not be telling the club that gave them a shot and a wage who their only going to play for as it leaves the club with very little leverage to get the best deal for the time and effort and cost they've put into a player.
The AFL by their inaction over the last few years has let the problem fester and now these players basically fresh into the system think they have the all the rights and the power to do as they please, the tail is wagging the dog.
Quote from: quinny88 on October 18, 2015, 01:19:09 PM
Just met Simon Black at the Brisbane airport, top bloke. Still looks in good enough nick to be playing!
Yep he actually does a fair bit of the running with the boys at training. Blackie would be in my top 3 Lions players on and off the field.
Quote from: Grazz on October 18, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
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Quote from: Ricochet on October 18, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 18, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
In trade winds today;
"Of course, a direct Bastinac-for-Aish swap is the Lions' preference but Aish insists he wants to don the black and white next year."
Who gives a shower what Aish's preference is... if he wants to leave (and he's already flowered over the club enough), the Lions should be able to trade him to the team offering the best deal possible...
I'm tired of these players thinking they dictate the terms. He isn't a free agent, his desired club therefore should not mean shower...
lol no. You can't just trade a person to any team you want
AFL players have too many rights, the only difference between free agency & an out of contract player therefore means that with a trade you may get more, or less, than a restricted free agency compo pick (usually less).
It's getting ridiculous, the AFL needs to realise it's a business and if Aish is not willing to add value to Brisbane by playing there, the club made an investment and should be entitled to get the best return on it when he leaves - Aish should have no say in the matter. The AFLPA should only concern itself with injury compensation imo
I tend to agree mate, it is getting ridiculous. At most name the state they want to play in then the club chases the best result for the club but even that has it's issues as the clubs in that state (outside Victoria) may have no need for that particular kind of player. Something needs to change though players two years into the system can not be telling the club that gave them a shot and a wage who their only going to play for as it leaves the club with very little leverage to get the best deal for the time and effort and cost they've put into a player.
The AFL by their inaction over the last few years has let the problem fester and now these players basically fresh into the system think they have the all the rights and the power to do as they please, the tail is wagging the dog.
100% agree time for the AFL to show some gonads and address the issue. The simple solution is that players are drafted with the 2 year contract as is now with a further 2 year option to be exercised at the Clubs discretion. Solves a myriad of problems and gives the players some security as well. Wonder what the reaction would be to some of the Melbourne clubs if a player after 2 years nominated he wants to come to Brisbane or Sydney after they had invested 2 years in the player.
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Quote from: powersuperkents on October 18, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
In trade winds today;
"Of course, a direct Bastinac-for-Aish swap is the Lions' preference but Aish insists he wants to don the black and white next year."
Who gives a shower what Aish's preference is... if he wants to leave (and he's already flowered over the club enough), the Lions should be able to trade him to the team offering the best deal possible...
I'm tired of these players thinking they dictate the terms. He isn't a free agent, his desired club therefore should not mean shower...
lol no. You can't just trade a person to any team you want
AFL players have too many rights, the only difference between free agency & an out of contract player therefore means that with a trade you may get more, or less, than a restricted free agency compo pick (usually less).
It's getting ridiculous, the AFL needs to realise it's a business and if Aish is not willing to add value to Brisbane by playing there, the club made an investment and should be entitled to get the best return on it when he leaves - Aish should have no say in the matter. The AFLPA should only concern itself with injury compensation imo
I tend to agree mate, it is getting ridiculous. At most name the state they want to play in then the club chases the best result for the club but even that has it's issues as the clubs in that state (outside Victoria) may have no need for that particular kind of player. Something needs to change though players two years into the system can not be telling the club that gave them a shot and a wage who their only going to play for as it leaves the club with very little leverage to get the best deal for the time and effort and cost they've put into a player.
The AFL by their inaction over the last few years has let the problem fester and now these players basically fresh into the system think they have the all the rights and the power to do as they please, the tail is wagging the dog.
100% agree time for the AFL to show some gonads and address the issue. The simple solution is that players are drafted with the 2 year contract as is now with a further 2 year option to be exercised at the Clubs discretion. Solves a myriad of problems and gives the players some security as well. Wonder what the reaction would be to some of the Melbourne clubs if a player after 2 years nominated he wants to come to Brisbane or Sydney after they had invested 2 years in the player.
It's ridiculous, free agents earn the right to choose a preferred destination after 8-years of service. Aish has given two shower years (despite the opportunities provided by the Lions) and yet he feels entitled to select a club at the expense of the Lions (Nth are willing to give more)
To true what gives a player 2 years into an AFL career the right to say to his club no you can't have the best deal possible for yourselves because "I want to go to Collingwood so you'll have to take whatever the Pie's are willing to give for me" thats just absolute rubbish that is. Clubs are investing 100's of thousands of dollars into these blokes, educating them in football putting them in for surgery with the best surgeons and medical attention if needed, flying mum and dad to games. Paying them more than they've ever seen in their lives yet they are able to throw all that back in the clubs face with a I don't care attitude I want to go here and thats the end of it so get it done. It really can't continue like this.
Bell, Jansen and Walker received this morning, not a bad effort.
Think Lions have done well with all three - Future Round 3 pick is a virtual packet of chips for Walker and Jansen.
Yeh Jansen will be more than handy, and Walker provides a solid target.
I'm actually quite happy with this. As much of a spud Walker is, only giving up a 3rd round pick for him and Jansen is a pretty good deal I reckon.
Quote from: nrich102 on October 19, 2015, 03:07:08 PM
I'm actually quite happy with this. As much of a spud Walker is, only giving up a 3rd round pick for him and Jansen is a pretty good deal I reckon.
Walker's really not that bad. He's still young and should thrive with more opportunity imo.
Well let's just hope he goes better than the other key forwards we've recruited the last couple of years (Fev, Staker, McGuane, Paine) lol.
Do we chase Bastinac if Aish goes to Pies?
Bell and Jansen are good pickups, huge fan of both
Quote from: Ringo on October 19, 2015, 04:42:24 PM
Do we chase Bastinac if Aish goes to Pies?
Walker/Jansen - very good trading Lions, not such a shambles after all! ;)
(teasing Ringo! ;))
With Reddo out and then likely Aish, why wouldn't you chase after Bustanut?? ;)
Is Jansen SuperCoach relevant or will he take a while to break into the side?
I do not think so Quinny - When you look at our Mids Beams, Rockliff, Bell, Rich, Zorko, Hanley, Mitch Robbo, Nick Robertson, Zac O'brien, Bewick he will be fighting for position especially if Bastinac is also added.
I reckon I'd rather Jansen in the team than ZOB/Bewick.
Has also got some size about him and is apparently pretty good overhead as well. Could play in the forward line as a part of the midfield rotation?
I rate him over Robertson, ZOB, Bewick so I reckon he's a decent chance to get a fair few games and work his way in.
Smashed it in the VFL and I'm very confident he's way above NEAFL quality.
Claye Beams is also to return as well and Ryan Lester is in the wings as well.
Here is my take on Brisbanes best 22 for next year:
B: Harwood, Merrett, Clarke,
HB: Gardiner, Rich, Andrews
C: Robinson, Rockliff, Hanley
HF Christensen,Walker, Zorko
F: Green, Freeman, Taylor
R: Martin, D Beams, Bell
Bench: McStay, Paporone, Mayes, C. Beams/Lester/Jansen/Close
Have not factored in draft picks or Bastinac at this stage.
You reckon we'll just go with Walker and Freeman down forward, with maybe McStay floating down, or would we play 3 talls down forward?
Reckon we'd go with West as well? 3 of Freeman, Close, West, and Walker I guess. McStay as a swingman. I'd go Freeman for sure, then depends if we want a backup ruck for Martin or not as to whether West comes into the side. Close vs Walker not sure.
C Beams definitely best 22 if fit.
Was tempted to include West for the last position as well. Martin does his best work as a sole ruck and we seen when sharing with Berger he suffered a little (not much but stats did go down) so not sure whether we will go with West. Andrews and Merrett can pinch hit in the ruck.
An yes GL Close v Walker a real toss of the coin.
Renewing my membership as well and selecting Andrews as my membership card photo,
So if you lads get Bastinac, is he a walkup start? The midfield is probably your best position if we're honest.
Quote from: elephants on October 20, 2015, 10:38:25 AM
So if you lads get Bastinac, is he a walkup start? The midfield is probably your best position if we're honest.
He would replace one of Mayes or Paporone possibly Mayes in my opinion. And agree our midfield coverage is strong which is why we may not chase in draft Dawson and Evans are in the system as well.
Quote from: Ringo on October 20, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: elephants on October 20, 2015, 10:38:25 AM
So if you lads get Bastinac, is he a walkup start? The midfield is probably your best position if we're honest.
He would replace one of Mayes or Paporone possibly Mayes in my opinion. And agree our midfield coverage is strong which is why we may not chase in draft Dawson and Evans are in the system as well.
Hmm interesting, looks like it might be a tight squeeze for him at the Lions!
Quote from: elephants on October 20, 2015, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 20, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: elephants on October 20, 2015, 10:38:25 AM
So if you lads get Bastinac, is he a walkup start? The midfield is probably your best position if we're honest.
He would replace one of Mayes or Paporone possibly Mayes in my opinion. And agree our midfield coverage is strong which is why we may not chase in draft Dawson and Evans are in the system as well.
Hmm interesting, looks like it might be a tight squeeze for him at the Lions!
That's because thy have 20568382864 midfielders and not much else haha
"North Melbourne runner Ryan Bastinac is poised to be traded to the Brisbane Lions in exchange for pick No.17, a swap of later picks and possibly Lions left-footer Rohan Bewick, the Herald Sun reports."
Hope the recruiters have thought this one through given the likely picks required for points to gain Hipwood and Keays especially with Pies only offering a future second round pick for Aish.
Please no. Just give them Aish :P
Was going to add hope club stands firm with Pies and if we can not get a suitable pick around 17 from Pies force Aish to choose between North and Carlton. Know which one I would choose. Believe we are ofering Basti a four year contract if trade can be worked out.
Not entirely sure why you guys want Bastinac but okay
Quote from: Big Mac on October 21, 2015, 11:21:25 AM
Not entirely sure why you guys want Bastinac but okay
Neither :-\
Especially for pick 17
Basti is the man! Guess I'll have to tell everyone the number 3 on the back of my North jumper is in memory of Brady Rawlings now
Don't see much logic behind North chasing Bewick
I rate Bastinac, but you're right, doesn't really fit a need.
Would be better off at GC I reckon
Just done some calculations and assuming Keays is bid at 10 and Hipwood at 14 with the 20% discount we would need 2045 points to secure both.
Pick 17 = 1025
Pick 39 = 446
Pick 41 = 412
Pick 42 = 395
Ample Points
If we trade 17 for Basti we lose 1025
However if we accept 2 2nd rounders 26 & 28 we gain 1406 meaning we can possibly keep 42. A lot to play out but t if we get 2 second Rounders for Aish.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-10-21/askschwabby
Some interesting statements in here but this one is interesting
@Bobbie_Evans no we are not making a direct swap of 17 for Bastinac. Deal also includes some picks #AskSchwabby
So this explains a few things why he is so confident we can get both academy players,
So guys how do you rate our trading.
Outs: Redden, Leuenberger, Aish
Ins: Jansen, Walker, Bell, Bastinac
Think we are slightly behind here.
We end up with Pick 2, 38.39.40.41,42, (78,96,114 which we may use or not use depending on availability).
I have done a worst case scenario if Keays is picked at 10 and Hipwood at 11
Picks 10 & 11 with 20% discount 2179 points required 38 - 42 equal 2147 points. Do not believe either will go higher but stranger things have happened. So that should ensure we secure Schache, Keays, and Hipwood as our draft selections. and maybe draft fellow Queenslanders with later picks.
We also have secured a future 2nd and 3rd round pick for next year to assist with academy bidding.
So I rate our trading a "B" this year not quite as outstanding as last year but serviceable. Think the compensation pick for Berger being lower than thought caused some rethinking on trading and one of the reasons we cooled on Astbury.
I think you'e done well to bring in experienced/ready made boys to replace those that you lost, rather than just copping picks for them.
Bell is a good pickup. Replaces Redden in the midfield rather than relying another kid to step up.
Initially looked grim but I think the Lions have done well. I prefer their list now to what it was before the transfer period - always thought Redden was overrated (he was good in '11 but has always played second fiddle to Rockliff) and Aish should not be considered a loss (just was a bad decision at the draft as it was never going to work out - thankfully they received a decent return).
They have done the right thing by focusing on their academy players and apparently it's reported that Schache is keen to stay if selected by Brisbane (I think his father played for the Bears) so I don't think any problems are going to arise with this draft crop.
The ins deserve more focus than the outs - Walker may be a spud but he's a place filler nonetheless and will be serviceable up forward while Freeman, Close, & Schache develop (I think he's still a solid pick-up considering the price tag and the bundle)
Bastinac provides speed and will likely play more as a utility than a mid., Bell is definitely the best pick-up imo
Fox footy rated our thing C-, WTF? Sure, we don't deserve and A, but a c- is stupid really. I definitely dont think we had the worst trade period of all the clubs.
Bastinac's is an inside MID, something the Kangas have alot of. Was forced to change his role to outside runner and whilst was more than serviceable, struggled at times. He will deliver if he's played as an inside MID. ;)
Quote from: nrich102 on October 22, 2015, 08:08:54 PM
Fox footy rated our thing C-, WTF? Sure, we don't deserve and A, but a c- is stupid really. I definitely dont think we had the worst trade period of all the clubs.
To be fair, the calibre of your ins doesn't really match the calibre of your outs and you haven't really done anything special with your picks
Obviously Leuey, Aish and Redden leaving wasn't Brisbane's decision though and that's why it's hard to put a lot of faith in these 'analyses'. One of them claimed that Howe was a top 5 player for Melbourne :P
Quote from: frenzy on October 23, 2015, 12:22:06 AM
Bastinac's is an inside MID, something the Kangas have alot of. Was forced to change his role to outside runner and whilst was more than serviceable, struggled at times. He will deliver if he's played as an inside MID. ;)
Agree here and suspect that is where we play him as a direct change with Redden.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/rape-accused-are-brisbane-lions-squad-players/story-fni0fee2-1227579730171
Well...
TWO of the men accused of raping a Brisbane teenager with a beer bottle on Australia Day are aspiring Brisbane Lions players.
"A 19-year-old man appeared in the Brisbane Magistrates Court this morning charged with rape, observations or recordings in breach of privacy and three counts of distributing prohibited visual recordings.
It is alleged he recorded the university student being raped with a beer bottle while passed out on Australia Day.
The student reportedly only found out after it was posted on Facebook.
The court was told this morning two of the accused were “quality football playersâ€.
The player in court applied to have his bail conditions changed so he could have contact with one of the co-accused for training purposes.
“He’s in the training squad for the Lions and the other bloke that is charged with him ... is also in that squad,†defence solicitor Eugene O’Sullivan said.
The Courier-Mail understands the two are not senior or rookie listed players but are members of the Lions Academy - a talent ID squad that trains once a week at the Lions.
Mr O’Sullivan then described the incident as a “youthful prankâ€.
Police prosecutor Sergeant Scott Pearson objected to the change in bail arrangements.
The Brisbane Magistrates Court has denied the man’s application to vary bail so he can train with his co-accused.
He declined to say anything outside court.
The other three men will appear in court at a later date.
Comment has been sought from the club."
QuoteMr O’Sullivan then described the incident as a “youthful prankâ€
:o
Quote from: Ricochet on October 23, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
QuoteMr O’Sullivan then described the incident as a “youthful prankâ€
:o
Hahaha couldn't believe it when I read that
Yeah that's one way to spin it... :-\
What a pig
I just saw it as well. What the F?
Then again the mindset
'Hey guys you know what would be funny? Let's shove a beer bottle up [name]'s a**'
'Yeah that's f'ing genius brah, but we need to film it and put it on Facebook though'
'Done! I'll get the beer bottle, you pin him down'
It will probably get downgrade to some other form of assault but I'm still thinking what the fark
Quote from: Ricochet on October 23, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
QuoteMr O’Sullivan then described the incident as a “youthful prankâ€
:o
Gobsmacked, any wonder why people detest lawyers. I don't know how these barbies sleep at night, seriously wtf.
Quote from: Grazz on October 24, 2015, 05:08:53 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 23, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
QuoteMr O’Sullivan then described the incident as a “youthful prankâ€
:o
Gobsmacked, any wonder why people detest lawyers. I don't know how these barbies sleep at night, seriously wtf.
Agree Grazz - Gee times are different these days. What would have been youthful pranks in our days are now subject to legal action. (Think bungers in letter boxes etc). Social media has a lot to answer for.
Just hope for clubs sake it is not one of the 5 academy players that have nominated for the draft.
Quote from: Ringo on October 24, 2015, 09:13:00 AM
Quote from: Grazz on October 24, 2015, 05:08:53 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 23, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
QuoteMr O’Sullivan then described the incident as a “youthful prankâ€
:o
Gobsmacked, any wonder why people detest lawyers. I don't know how these barbies sleep at night, seriously wtf.
Agree Grazz - Gee times are different these days. What would have been youthful pranks in our days are now subject to legal action. (Think bungers in letter boxes etc). Social media has a lot to answer for.
Just hope for clubs sake it is not one of the 5 academy players that have nominated for the draft.
A prank for us when younger was shaving someones eyebrow off if they flaked it at a party.
Glad I stay at home alot now .
West Coast confirmed in perth at the graveyard shift time on Sunday
Quote from: strikes91 on October 25, 2015, 02:33:18 AM
West Coast confirmed in perth at the graveyard shift time on Sunday
I didn't understand a word of this haha
Quote from: elephants on October 25, 2015, 04:00:45 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on October 25, 2015, 02:33:18 AM
West Coast confirmed in perth at the graveyard shift time on Sunday
I didn't understand a word of this haha
Easter Sunday 2016.
27/03:> West Coast v Brisbane Lions, Domain Stadium
Quote from: elephants on October 25, 2015, 04:00:45 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on October 25, 2015, 02:33:18 AM
West Coast confirmed in perth at the graveyard shift time on Sunday
I didn't understand a word of this haha
West Coast round 1 at the horrible 4.40pm
Easy win then to start the season providing the boys are awake at 4:40 on Sunday.
Haha dreaming Ringo!
Must say I'm happy to get the Lions out of the way early...
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-10-26/list-changes
Couple of interesting developments here:
Bewick signed for 12 months
Paine to be delisted and signed as a rookie
and the surprise - Zac O'Brien to be delisted - However wins the NEAFL Best and Fairest next year should be worried. 2 years in a row winner has been de-listed.
Does this mean we are hoping to sign the other 2 academy players in Williams and Choi with those late picks?
Happy to see ZOB go tbh, a big potato.
I wouldn't want to win the NEAFL B&F though, lol.
I think we did the right thing with those 3.
Please pick up at least one of Chol or Buzza, please. ;D
Also yeah, the reserves B&F curse continues.
Evans or Beasely upgraded ?
If we rookie list Paine we will have 6 rookies - So suspect there may still be an upgrade or 2. Have not heard much about Hammelman as to whether his contract has been renewed or not. No need to upgrade Archie yet.
Quote from: Ringo on October 26, 2015, 10:07:02 PM
If we rookie list Paine we will have 6 rookies - So suspect there may still be an upgrade or 2. Have not heard much about Hammelman as to whether his contract has been renewed or not. No need to upgrade Archie yet.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-10-26/cians-rehab-progress (http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-10-26/cians-rehab-progress)
Mentioned Hammelman somewhere in there, I think he might get promoted when Close gets his annual LTI.
Was ZOB let go after the altercation with Leppa??
Quote from: Capper on October 27, 2015, 07:07:48 PM
Was ZOB let go after the altercation with Leppa??
You can read into what you want. Was not a good look early in the season though. We also had to make some room for the draftees so still had to delist players. Not a lot of choice either although I rate ZOB over Bewick.
Quote from: Ringo on October 27, 2015, 07:11:03 PM
Quote from: Capper on October 27, 2015, 07:07:48 PM
Was ZOB let go after the altercation with Leppa??
You can read into what you want. Was not a good look early in the season though. We also had to make some room for the draftees so still had to delist players. Not a lot of choice either although I rate ZOB over Bewick.
Considering our midfield is actually pretty decent though, imo better to keep Bewick
Quote from: Capper on October 27, 2015, 07:07:48 PM
Was ZOB let go after the altercation with Leppa??
what happened with leppa?
Quote from: Ziplock on October 27, 2015, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: Capper on October 27, 2015, 07:07:48 PM
Was ZOB let go after the altercation with Leppa??
what happened with leppa?
To summarise Leppa manhandled ZOB at half time in a NEAFL match for disobeying a coachs instruction.
Guys thoughts on our draw this year.
Whilst we have some blockbuster games which is good and 6 games in Melbourne for our Melbourne Supporters (Into your Diary GL 2 at the G as well) the trade off is a shocking draw to start the season for a struggling team. Whilst we have to win games to go up these will not be easy.
Our first 10 game opponents West Coast (a), North (h), Geelong (a), Gold Coast (h), Bulldogs (a),Sydney (h), Port (a), Collingwood (h), Melbourne (a), Hawthorn (h). So 3 home games against Swans, Pies and Hawks will make it hard to break even after 10 rounds.
We will need to win 1 or 2 of our first games to have some momentum going into Qclash.
Thoughts
Quote from: Ringo on October 29, 2015, 11:45:57 AM
Guys thoughts on our draw this year.
Whilst we have some blockbuster games which is good and 6 games in Melbourne for our Melbourne Supporters (Into your Diary GL 2 at the G as well) the trade off is a shocking draw to start the season for a struggling team. Whilst we have to win games to go up these will not be easy.
Our first 10 game opponents West Coast (a), North (h), Geelong (a), Gold Coast (h), Bulldogs (a),Sydney (h), Port (a), Collingwood (h), Melbourne (a), Hawthorn (h). So 3 home games against Swans, Pies and Hawks will make it hard to break even after 10 rounds.
We will need to win 1 or 2 of our first games to have some momentum going into Qclash.
Thoughts
It's possible, I don't think they will have a chance against the Cats and Eagle away from home, however Brisbane seems to beat Nth Melbourne (in fact they cause a lot of upsets at the Gabba because interstate teams find it hard to play on the round field) and Nth seems to have inconsistent starts to the season (that could be where you win your first game imo). I think Nth will start hard though because they want to put themselves in a better position to win the premiership than the previous two seasons.
Also, why has Brisbane's first game of the last two seasons involved a big transfer name that played for both teams (Beams first game was R1 against the Pies and Redden's first game will be R1 against the Lions)
That being said, 8 of those first 10 games are really demanding a lot out of Brisbane. Which teams have you been matched up against twice?
Wow, that is a really brutal start to the season.
Awesome, we get to play Hawks at the Gabba for the first time since 19-dikkity-two!
Apart from that though, shower's flowered haha. I'll take anything between 0 and 4 wins (inclusive)
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 29, 2015, 11:45:57 AM
Guys thoughts on our draw this year.
Whilst we have some blockbuster games which is good and 6 games in Melbourne for our Melbourne Supporters (Into your Diary GL 2 at the G as well) the trade off is a shocking draw to start the season for a struggling team. Whilst we have to win games to go up these will not be easy.
Our first 10 game opponents West Coast (a), North (h), Geelong (a), Gold Coast (h), Bulldogs (a),Sydney (h), Port (a), Collingwood (h), Melbourne (a), Hawthorn (h). So 3 home games against Swans, Pies and Hawks will make it hard to break even after 10 rounds.
We will need to win 1 or 2 of our first games to have some momentum going into Qclash.
Thoughts
It's possible, I don't think they will have a chance against the Cats and Eagle away from home, however Brisbane seems to beat Nth Melbourne (in fact they cause a lot of upsets at the Gabba because interstate teams find it hard to play on the round field) and Nth seems to have inconsistent starts to the season (that could be where you win your first game imo). I think Nth will start hard though because they want to put themselves in a better position to win the premiership than the previous two seasons.
Also, why has Brisbane's first game of the last two seasons involved a big transfer name that played for both teams (Beams first game was R1 against the Pies and Redden's first game will be R1 against the Lions)
That being said, 8 of those first 10 games are really demanding a lot out of Brisbane. Which teams have you been matched up against twice?
And the teams we play twice West Coast, Geelong, Port, Carlton and Suns. So again difficult compared to others.
Harder fixture than Port, Fremantle, Geelong and bunch of others ::)
Is this bet safe
Joe @SheGoCrazi
@brisbanelions if the lions make the 8 in 2016, I will buy every starting 22 player a beer. I swear, cross my heart.
There will be a few joining him if it comes to fruition
Quote from: Ringo on October 30, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Is this bet safe
Joe @SheGoCrazi
@brisbanelions if the lions make the 8 in 2016, I will buy every starting 22 player a beer. I swear, cross my heart.
There will be a few joining him if it comes to fruition
haha hell, I'd buy em all a carton :P
Quote from: elephants on October 30, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 30, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Is this bet safe
Joe @SheGoCrazi
@brisbanelions if the lions make the 8 in 2016, I will buy every starting 22 player a beer. I swear, cross my heart.
There will be a few joining him if it comes to fruition
haha hell, I'd buy em all a carton :P
Yeh Joe, stop being so cheap ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on October 30, 2015, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 30, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 30, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Is this bet safe
Joe @SheGoCrazi
@brisbanelions if the lions make the 8 in 2016, I will buy every starting 22 player a beer. I swear, cross my heart.
There will be a few joining him if it comes to fruition
haha hell, I'd buy em all a carton :P
Yeh Joe, stop being so cheap ;)
Didn't some chick offer a basketball team sexual favours?
Joe's gotta step up his game
Quote from: Big Mac on October 30, 2015, 08:12:58 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 30, 2015, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 30, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 30, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Is this bet safe
Joe @SheGoCrazi
@brisbanelions if the lions make the 8 in 2016, I will buy every starting 22 player a beer. I swear, cross my heart.
There will be a few joining him if it comes to fruition
haha hell, I'd buy em all a carton :P
Yeh Joe, stop being so cheap ;)
Didn't some chick offer a basketball team sexual favours?
Joe's gotta step up his game
Hahaha
So Leppas coming into the final year of his contract, yeah? What are the chances he'll be coach in 2017?
He will have some performance measures put on him this year and if these are met he will have contract renewed. He has had change in coaching staff as well to assist.
The main problem with Leppa as I see it he does not appear to have a plan b when things really go wrong. He obviously has a plan to run the ball at all costs but the mindset for hand passing really gets us into trouble against the better sides. It is alright for teams that have the experience and skills to do it but we are not there yet. Really got to me watching the ball turned over in our own 50 with hand passes to players under pressure. It is called football for a reason. Know it is easy to play from the stands (any my seat is in the second tier behind the goals) but on numerous occasions we were hand passing when there were players clear on the wing.
We started to see players developing confidence in one another in the last few games so hopefully that can be carried on next year.
We also have a horror start to the season which will increase the pressure on Leppa as well.
Jarrad Jansen to wear the number 16 guernsey, Brownie presented him with it today.
Josh Schache
Eric Hipwood
Ben Keays
Rhys Mathieson
Sam Skinner
I approve.
Well done to Peter Schab and the recruiters
Came accross this interesting bit of information on Skinner
Sam Skinner, 197cm key position - won MVP for Vic Country at U/16 champs in 2013 in same team as Weitering, Schache, Parish, Mathieson
So he is really a steal at 47 and Matthieson no doubt the steal of the draft at 39.
All due to Keays slipping to 24 which allowed to take pick 39 so maybe Keays the steal of the draft.
Anyone else surprised we didn't match the bid on Wagner? Must be one of the first times an academy player hasn't gone to the club they were based at before. Gonna really backfire if he turns into a superstar :-X
We probably did not want to go into deficit for next year. We have a star coming through who will be Top 5 next year. And recruiters probably though we could pick up players with Keays slipping. Think they made the right decision.
Yeah, probably true. Pretty good recruiting this season.
So happy :D
Matho will be be a Squizzy like steal.
And that completes our senior list at 41 unless we de-list anyone later this week.
William to go on the rookie list apparently
Good work Brisbane, it was good to see that none of the clubs tried to screw the Academy clubs over this draft (all the bids came at the right times - besides Keays who slid a bit imo)
Mathieson was really a huge steal for you guys
Quote from: strikes91 on November 24, 2015, 11:33:55 PM
William to go on the rookie list apparently
I have just checked the rules and can not find anything after 2013 regarding list sizes, This rule says that lists size is 40 senior listed players 4 Cat A rookies and 3 Cat B rookies so we may have to delist 1 more senior player. Williams may qualify as a Cat B rookie similar to Hanley, Remember we are also committed to taking Jackson Paine as a rookie.
The fun and games associated with managing lists.
any guys you drafted looking to get alot of senior games next year?
except Schache :P
Quote from: Holz on November 25, 2015, 10:51:25 AM
any guys you drafted looking to get alot of senior games next year?
except Schache :P
Can not see it Holz unless injury intervenes.
Hipwood may be first call up given he can play either end and pinch hit in the ruck.
Skinner an outside chance with injuries in defence if we require a tall.
hard to see Mathieson and Keays squeezing into our midfield. Keays may be a chance if injuries hit our mosquito squad (Greene, Zorko, Taylor and Christensen) as he has played the medium forward role.
Surprised Matho slipped, must be a major flaw in his game that seperated him from the top-20 or so.
I rate him though, well done Bris!
I think that one thing was whether to could run out games.
His draft trumps article said this as his query:
QuoteTo be a consistent AFL midfielder, Mathieson will need to improve his aerobic base. At the moment he's best at the stoppages and his running results at the combine reflected that â€" he was one of the first midfielders to drop out of the beep test before level 13.
Clubs have questioned his kicking efficiency, which sat at about 60 per cent throughout the TAC Cup season. He tends to stick with the safer kicks by banging it forward, but his results at the combine in the kicking test on both feet (he placed among the top 10) were sharp.
and this for his draft range:
QuoteMathieson has plenty of runs on the board, but could fit in anywhere from pick 12-25. He has done enough to be a first-round pick but clubs will rank him differently depending on whether they need a player of his type.
Because we drafted so well in the National Draft we have a slight problem in the rookie draft.
We only have one vacancy to fill. Not sure how committed we are to Paine but would much prefer to go Reuben William with our last vacancy. We will see in a couple of hours with pick 2.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-12-02/2016-jumper-numbers
Our Jumpers for 2015 finalised
1 Ben Keays
2 Ryan Harwood
3 Allen Christensen
4 Ryan Bastinac
5 Mitch Robinson
6 Joshua Green
7 Tom Bell
8 Rohan Bewick
9 Dayne Beams
10 Daniel Rich
11 Pearce Hanley
12 Stefan Martin
13 Trent West
14 Josh Walker
15 Dayne Zorko
16 Jarrad Jansen
17 Claye Beams
18 Nick Robertson
19 Josh Clayton
20 Josh Watts
21 Dan Merrett
22 Marco Paparone
23 Joshua Schache
24 Liam Dawson
25 Dan McStay
26 Tom Cutler
27 Darcy Gardiner
28 Lewis Taylor
29 Jaden McGrath
30 Eric Hipwood
31 Harris Andrews
32 Sam Mayes
33 Michael Close
34 Jonathan Freeman
35 Ryan Lester
36 Rhys Mathieson
37 Cian Hanley (R)
38 Tom Rockliff
39 Jackson Paine (R)
40 Matthew Hammelmann (R)
41 Sam Skinner
42 Justin Clarke
43 Josh McGuinness
44 Archie Smith (R)
45 Hugh Beasley (R)
46 Billy Evans (R)
47 Reuben William (R)
ur mids are so stacked bit of a shame u got Mathiesion
Nothing like a bit of competition for spots to bring out the best. Keays and Matrhieson will no doubt put the pressure on early if they perform to their junior stamdardm
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 02, 2015, 05:37:19 PM
ur mids are so stacked bit of a shame u got Mathiesion
There's not too many like him though, only Beams and Rocky really.
Hanley is outside, Robinso and Bell are fwds rotating into the middle
Basti is outside, so is Rich.
Mathieson is a great pick up by Brissie
Basti was inside mid before Scott moved him outside and suspect we will use him inside as a direct replacement for Redden. Mathieson will be a jandy back up to all three though.
Quote from: Ricochet on December 02, 2015, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 02, 2015, 05:37:19 PM
ur mids are so stacked bit of a shame u got Mathiesion
There's not too many like him though, only Beams and Rocky really.
Hanley is outside, Robinso and Bell are fwds rotating into the middle
Basti is outside, so is Rich.
Mathieson is a great pick up by Brissie
and Bell? guess he will rotate in the forward line a bit though
Quote from: Ringo on December 02, 2015, 05:52:37 PM
Basti was inside mid before Scott moved him outside and suspect we will use him inside as a direct replacement for Redden. Mathieson will be a jandy back up to all three though.
Yeh i reckon there's a reason they did though. Will be interesting to see how you use him that's for sure
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 02, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on December 02, 2015, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 02, 2015, 05:37:19 PM
ur mids are so stacked bit of a shame u got Mathiesion
There's not too many like him though, only Beams and Rocky really.
Hanley is outside, Robinso and Bell are fwds rotating into the middle
Basti is outside, so is Rich.
Mathieson is a great pick up by Brissie
and Bell? guess he will rotate in the forward line a bit though
Doesn't have a big enough tank to be permanent inside mid
http://m.lions.com.au/news/2015-12-07/martin-resigns (http://m.lions.com.au/news/2015-12-07/martin-resigns)
QuoteStefan Martin has signed a three-year contract extension, representing a huge vote of confidence in the Brisbane Lions' future.
Very good news here but my favourite part of the article is
QuoteMartin will speak at a media conference later today, with the Lions expected to have more re-signing announcements soon.
;D
They teased us with a tweet early last night asking to watch for a big announcement today. News broke early and this was one of the speculated results. Hope Rich re-signs early as well.
We have nearly half our list coming off contract in 2016
Quote from: Ringo on December 02, 2015, 05:52:37 PM
Basti was inside mid before Scott moved him outside and suspect we will use him inside as a direct replacement for Redden. Mathieson will be a jandy back up to all three though.
Yeah I assume Basti was targeted to play inside and willing to guess that's half the reason he decided to make the move. Was one of the most promising youngsters at the club whilst he was playing inside a few years back, he just doesn't have the pace or polish to play that outside mid role
Anyone have any news on the scratch match yesterday? The article on the website is extremely vague. Some good signs coming from it though.
Did not get to it yesterday. Know O'Donnell only put up a brief report but it did have some interesting things it. It confirmed my previous observations that Hipwood is being used forward and Matthieson appears to be ahead of Keays.
Couple of interesting things from Lepas q and a today
- Paine :o, McStay and Mayes will all play defence this year
- Rich training with the mids
- Looks like West won't get too much game time and Walker/Freeman/Close playing as 2nd ruck
Quote from: nrich102 on January 28, 2016, 08:26:24 PM
Couple of interesting things from Lepas q and a today
- Paine :o, McStay and Mayes will all play defence this year
- Rich training with the mids
- Looks like West won't get too much game time and Walker/Freeman/Cloe playing 2nd ruck
Rich...that's handy ;D
Quote from: T Dog on January 28, 2016, 08:33:03 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on January 28, 2016, 08:26:24 PM
Couple of interesting things from Lepas q and a today
- Paine :o, McStay and Mayes will all play defence this year
- Rich training with the mids
- Looks like West won't get too much game time and Walker/Freeman/Cloe playing 2nd ruck
Rich...that's handy ;D
Do not like it as he will get tagged in midfield and has yuet to convince he can break it.
Regarding Rucks Stef has the capacityto ruck for 80% of time and those mentioned will ruck in forward half with Merrett and Andrews rucking inback half if required.
Yeah prefer Rich off half back tbh
Leppa thinks Stef can do 90% game time. Is that a tad ambitious?
90% ly 89/85maybe but definitely 80/85% as he did it this year in most games,
Quote from: nrich102 on January 28, 2016, 08:26:24 PM
Couple of interesting things from Lepas q and a today
- Paine :o, McStay and Mayes will all play defence this year
- Rich training with the mids
- Looks like West won't get too much game time and Walker/Freeman/Close playing as 2nd ruck
That surprises me. I thought he was showing real potential as a high marking forward in 2015. I always thought he would be a swingman in the long-term (high half-forward flanker rotating with manning up players down back - could be a potential CHF, however I think Harris Andrews should continue his progress and lock that role down - Andrews was fantastic this year, esp. considering his age and lack of experience in which case he was phenomenal).
The only problems with McStay up forward in 2015 was his set shot accuracy and his frequent failure to execute difficult contested marks (all common ones for developing players so no big deal). Regarding the latter, esp. in the home game against the Crows, he would win the contest among the pack, leap above everyone, get his hands cleanly on the ball, but would always drop it. I saw this one 4 to 5 occasions in that final quarter against the Crows (and the failure to execute the marks ultimately cost them the game). On all occasions, the marks would have been incredibly (certain mark of the year nominees for that round), but he just could not hold it. Obviously this is a good sign because the more he does it, the better he will become at executing the marks and hopefully can frequently do it in the future (I see a strong future for him as a wing man).
He didn't really get much time as a defender in 2015 from what I recall (esp. when compared to 2014). So is this move to provide him with experience down the back (as the forward line is already stacked and now would be the right time to do it)?
I'm just hoping that Leppa sees him as more than a one position player because if the kid can execute these pack marks both up forward and down the back he could become a real talent in the AFL.
McStay will be used as a swingman I think, but will predominately play defense. He didn't play heaps down back last year, but when he did imo he looked better down there.
Leppa has also said McStay showed a lot of promise down forward, Suspect his u;timate position will be a swingman but think Leppas thinking is to let him develop as a backmen until ready to go as swingman. as you point out still a lot of development to do and much easier in the one position to start with.
No need for McStay to be up front. Walker, Freeman, Schache and Close all getting around. Mcstay can be very lazy up forward. At least down the back he has a responsibility
Agree Strikes was only answering a previous query. Hipwood has been training with the forward group as well so we appear to be grooming him forward as well. Finally starting to see some depth across all lines which is great for the club going forward.
Zorks will more than likely sign a contract extension this week as well with Rocky also seeking to extendf his contract beyond 2017.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-02-12/match-report-intraclub
Report on this afternoons intra club trial. Harwood was one of the best so hope he can make the Round 1 team.
Good to see Freeman, Hammelman and Hipwood in amongst the goals, but does that say more about our forwards or our defenders? :-X
Quote from: nrich102 on February 13, 2016, 12:03:42 AM
Good to see Freeman, Hammelman and Hipwood in amongst the goals, but does that say more about our forwards or our defenders? :-X
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/teams/brisbane/brisbane-lions-have-plenty-of-options-in-attack-as-tall-forwards-stand-up-in-intraclub-match/news-story/e8c1783e02556af82b67da2b0249a62e
Todays report from the CM which is a fair summary.
First half was virtually the probables verses the rest so was the reason. For second half Robinson, Rich, Bell and Bastinac switched sides and match was more competitive. As in the report Andrews copped a knock early and sat out.
No Beams, Green, Clarke, Gardiner or Sqizzy Taylor (wisdom teeth) playing today. So with Clarke, Gardiner and Andrews all out that is a lot of tall timber down back.
'Lester’s appearance in the top side ahead of Jarrad Jansen was also telling" So that may mean Jansen is a little down the pecking order.
What possie did Harwood play??
Quote from: Ricochet on February 13, 2016, 09:53:31 AM
What possie did Harwood play??
Played across half back. Lock him in 8)
Quote from: Ringo on February 13, 2016, 02:09:38 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on February 13, 2016, 09:58:01 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on February 13, 2016, 09:53:31 AM
What possie did Harwood play??
Played across half back. Lock him in 8)
Both Harwood and Lester played of HB.
Ok, so how will it affect him when those three that miss come back into defence??? Will they reshuffle and he gets pushed out or will others?
The three that missed are talls Rico so no effect at all. Gardiner would also be fringe. Merrett, Clarke and Andrews would be the 3 talls in defence with McStay, Paine and McGrath waiting in the wings as talls.
Quote from: Ringo on February 13, 2016, 02:48:59 PM
The three that missed are talls Rico so no effect at all. Gardiner would also be fringe. Merrett, Clarke and Andrews would be the 3 talls in defence with McStay, Paine and McGrath waiting in the wings as talls.
Ah yeh i get that, just with three to come back in sometimes there could be a bit of a reshuffle of roles.
But all good, will keep an eye on him in NAB
Quote from: Ricochet on February 13, 2016, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: Ringo on February 13, 2016, 02:48:59 PM
The three that missed are talls Rico so no effect at all. Gardiner would also be fringe. Merrett, Clarke and Andrews would be the 3 talls in defence with McStay, Paine and McGrath waiting in the wings as talls.
Ah yeh i get that, just with three to come back in sometimes there could be a bit of a reshuffle of roles.
But all good, will keep an eye on him in NAB
I will be but based on preseason from Harwood would be in front of both Lester and Cutle.
Based on preseason form I see our back six as
FB: Paparone, Merrett, Andrews
HB: Lester, Clarke, Harwood
with Mayes on bench and Cutler and Gardiner unlucky,
I sent my brother to watch and he said Bundy and Lester BOG, also said Freeman was good for the conditions
Tom Bell's disposal is atrocious and so was harwoods.
that's all i got from the text
Interesting how there are slight difference of opinions from those who attended. My friend who lives at Burpengary was really singing Harwoods praises when he reported to me and mentioned Robbo as best on ground in his opinion. Was also impressed by Freeman and slightly disappointed with Schache.
He agreed that Bells disposal was really shocking.
Quote from: Ringo on February 13, 2016, 06:07:28 PM
Interesting how there are slight difference of opinions from those who attended. My friend who lives at Burpengary was really singing Harwoods praises when he reported to me and mentioned Robbo as best on ground in his opinion. Was also impressed by Freeman and slightly disappointed with Schache.
He agreed that Bells disposal was really shocking.
Maybe Harwood racked up the disposals (i.e. was a major ball winner) but lacked the disposal efficiency that knowledgeable footy tragics value more highly (and so they should - it is the most important stat imo - also why Rich and Paparone are such valuable players, I never see the two of them miss a target).
Normally when there are different perceptions of a player's performance that has been the case (you can see it in the games where the players scores big in DT but fails to break 100 in SC - some fans will sing praises, others will think they were mediocre).
Just my two-cents - I personally think Brisbane have suffered without the rebounding half-backs that other teams take for granted, they have the personnel, just Lester and Harwood have been unlucky with injuries (I can see Brisbane pushing back to the 10-12th range if they have an injury free season - hopefully they rotate the younger players in and out of the squad so they can receive some valuable experience as well).
You're more optimistic about Brisbane than most Brisbane supporters are mate :P
Quote from: powersuperkents on February 14, 2016, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Ringo on February 13, 2016, 06:07:28 PM
Interesting how there are slight difference of opinions from those who attended. My friend who lives at Burpengary was really singing Harwoods praises when he reported to me and mentioned Robbo as best on ground in his opinion. Was also impressed by Freeman and slightly disappointed with Schache.
He agreed that Bells disposal was really shocking.
Maybe Harwood racked up the disposals (i.e. was a major ball winner) but lacked the disposal efficiency that knowledgeable footy tragics value more highly (and so they should - it is the most important stat imo - also why Rich and Paparone are such valuable players, I never see the two of them miss a target).
Normally when there are different perceptions of a player's performance that has been the case (you can see it in the games where the players scores big in DT but fails to break 100 in SC - some fans will sing praises, others will think they were mediocre).
Just my two-cents - I personally think Brisbane have suffered without the rebounding half-backs that other teams take for granted, they have the personnel, just Lester and Harwood have been unlucky with injuries (I can see Brisbane pushing back to the 10-12th range if they have an injury free season - hopefully they rotate the younger players in and out of the squad so they can receive some valuable experience as well).
Easily done though mate. Do not know how many time i came home from games last year and surprised to see some of the SC scores especially players I thought had quiet games.
Only issue I have with 10 - 12th is who we are going to push down the ladder to take their place. Saints, Suns, Dees and Giants are on the up and can not see Cats or Pies dropping that far. Whilst it will be good if it comes to fruition which I can not see reckon our immediate goal is to win more than the 4 we won last year which will be hard as there is a strong possibility we could be 0/7 after 7 rounds given our horror draw.
Good thing we play Carlton twice :P Thats 3 wins with them and Essendon, just need 2 more. I think that home vs North is a chance, and we should beat Melbourne. Think we can get our 5 wins 8)
Clarke :'(
Doesnt sound promising for Clarke.
You guys cant take a trick atm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-16/lions-defender-justin-clarke-ruled-out-of-football-indefinitely-due-to-concussion
Quote from: Capper on February 17, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
Doesnt sound promising for Clarke.
You guys cant take a trick atm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-16/lions-defender-justin-clarke-ruled-out-of-football-indefinitely-due-to-concussion
Great that the club is putting players health first, Feel for Justin though given his break out year and cementing one of the KPP positions.
Will be interesting to see what replacement selection we come up as for the first time we have reasonable depth.
McStay had him on bench so he may take up position.
Gardiner could come in
Hipwood at 200cm could come to bench if McStay goes back.
Jackson Paine has re-invented himself as a back.
Then there are the 2 Joshs that have been biding time in NEAFL Clayton and Watts.
I'd give McStay his spot then bring Gardiner in.
Horrible for clarkey and really massive doubts if he'll ever play again, very smart boy with a big future ahead of him. I tend to think if he is put on the LTI Payne possibly Beasely will be upgraded. For round 1 this could be a possible back line up
Andrews - Merrett - Cutler/Harwood
Paparone - McStay - Mayes
Don't think Gardiner will be ready for round 1
Perhaps Dizz may be good to go, named in the nab squad
Agree Strikes we all hope that Clarkeys concussion is not career ending but if it has he has set himslef up well with career after football.
With Sauce being rested as well will be interesting to watch performances on Sunday Paine, Dizzy, Hipwood and even Josh Clayton if he makes the cut. As I said earlier really impressed with our recruiting through draft and trading and we now appear to have great depth across the Park.
Hoping Archie shows something as well this weekend. Has been steadily improving over the years since recruited from basketball.
Wind aside we still have shocking skills. Fumbling and shanking kicks still :(
Quote from: strikes91 on February 21, 2016, 11:46:21 PM
Wind aside we still have shocking skills. Fumbling and shanking kicks still :(
man everyones rusty first game of the year
Quote from: strikes91 on February 21, 2016, 11:46:21 PM
Wind aside we still have shocking skills. Fumbling and shanking kicks still :(
Fair assumption Strikes. Harwood though looking good was one offender shanking 4 kicks that I counted as an example. The last intra club trial was pretty scrappy as well. Hope we get that out of our system early. Expect to see our best team in the final NAB game and then hopefully we will see a big improvement. Leppa has previously said that some stars will not travel to Perth twice in a couple of weeks.
We don't leave QLD Ringo, Mackay and Gold Coast our next two matches. Have heard reports Rocky, Rich, Hanley, Bastinac and Zorko are definites for the Saints match. Was impressed with Walker and Mayes yesterday, they should cement their spots with strong showings.
Sorry Strikes old age catching up. Wires crossed it is the Suns who travel west. Keeping an eye on both Qld teams.
Read somewhere can not remember now that beams would not play though till round 3. Agree Walker looked good so will sew up one of the forward spots but who gets the other still up in the air. Where do you think Mayes best spot is I think it is on a wing?
I agree the wing for mayes, perhaps a running back but would rather him float into the forward line.
Quote from: Ringo on February 22, 2016, 03:49:05 PM
Sorry Strikes old age catching up. Wires crossed it is the Suns who travel west. Keeping an eye on both Qld teams.
Read somewhere can not remember now that beams would not play though till round 3. Agree Walker looked good so will sew up one of the forward spots but who gets the other still up in the air. Where do you think Mayes best spot is I think it is on a wing?
Round 3 of nab or afl season?
Round 3 NAB GL.
Quote from: strikes91 on February 21, 2016, 11:46:21 PM
Wind aside we still have shocking skills. Fumbling and shanking kicks still :(
To be fair, Brisbane & Gold Coast both fielded weak sides and the wind made almost any set shot impossible (worst winds I've seen at an AFL level game - it didn't stop either).
I liked Bell, Paparone, Mayes, Robinson, Robertson, and Mathieson in Brisbane (I was defiant that Keays would be in a more AFL-ready position at this point in time, I was wrong, Mathieson looks like a natural contested mid). Hipwood looks far too underdeveloped to be getting a game at AFL-level anytime soon (it doesn't help that Rory Thompson was pushing him around and recklessly tackling Brisbane's players). Schache didn't score a goal, but looked good and Josh Walker finally looks useful - only the one goal though, but he is creating a tall presence in the forward that is needed.
I really liked Touk Miller from the Gold Coast. DT-wise I don't think much will happen, however with Bennell gone I would go out on a limb and say that I would not be surprised if he went 85-95 ppg. in Supercoach. Good to see that Steven May is still working hard as well (I feel for Sam Day - Peter Wright won't take long to jump ahead of him in the pecking order).
Most disappointing Sun was Nick Malceski (I thought he was going to rebound from last year's shocker)
Most disappointing Lion was Jarrad Jansen imo. Very promising in the VFL, however watching him on Sunday I have grown doubts over whether he is AFL standard (literally all of Brisbane and Gold Coast's inexperienced players had more of an impact than him). Instantly ruled him out of any fantasy selections :-\ (really thought the kid showed signs in the VFL). It may have just been the windy conditions though (but that's not really an excuse for an inside mid)
Quote from: powersuperkents on February 23, 2016, 12:04:37 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on February 21, 2016, 11:46:21 PM
Wind aside we still have shocking skills. Fumbling and shanking kicks still :(
To be fair, Brisbane & Gold Coast both fielded weak sides and the wind made almost any set shot impossible (worst winds I've seen at an AFL level game - it didn't stop either).
I liked Bell, Paparone, Mayes, Robinson, Robertson, and Mathieson in Brisbane (I was defiant that Keays would be in a more AFL-ready position at this point in time, I was wrong, Mathieson looks like a natural contested mid). Hipwood looks far too underdeveloped to be getting a game at AFL-level anytime soon (it doesn't help that Rory Thompson was pushing him around and recklessly tackling Brisbane's players). Schache didn't score a goal, but looked good and Josh Walker finally looks useful - only the one goal though, but he is creating a tall presence in the forward that is needed.
I really liked Touk Miller from the Gold Coast. DT-wise I don't think much will happen, however with Bennell gone I would go out on a limb and say that I would not be surprised if he went 85-95 ppg. in Supercoach. Good to see that Steven May is still working hard as well (I feel for Sam Day - Peter Wright won't take long to jump ahead of him in the pecking order).
Most disappointing Sun was Nick Malceski (I thought he was going to rebound from last year's shocker)
Most disappointing Lion was Jarrad Jansen imo. Very promising in the VFL, however watching him on Sunday I have grown doubts over whether he is AFL standard (literally all of Brisbane and Gold Coast's inexperienced players had more of an impact than him). Instantly ruled him out of any fantasy selections :-\ (really thought the kid showed signs in the VFL). It may have just been the windy conditions though (but that's not really an excuse for an inside mid)
Maybe he was just under the weather?
I remember ( a few years back now), when everyone (including myself) was cursing Foley for scoring so shower all game. Then it turned out he had gastro, and had spent like every time he went off the field showerting his guts out.
Bundy will miss the rest of NAB after having finger surgery, still expected to start round 1 against the Iggles.
Claye been doing well off half back in match simulation drills is awesome, but hopefully he doesn't take Harwood's spot if/when he is fit :'(
Although if we have Hanley and Rich running through the middle of the ground most of the time, I wouldn't mind Harwood and Claye both playing off half back :)
Close and West also training well, coming off their injuries. Don't see Close being best 22 myself though, but if he trains well and performs in the reserves and other guys aren't going well, could get a spot.
Relevant article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-02/finger-surgery-sidelines-lion-allen-christensen-for-nab-challenge
Quote from: GoLions on March 02, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
Bundy will miss the rest of NAB after having finger surgery, still expected to start round 1 against the Iggles.
Claye been doing well off half back in match simulation drills is awesome, but hopefully he doesn't take Harwood's spot if/when he is fit :'(
Although if we have Hanley and Rich running through the middle of the ground most of the time, I wouldn't mind Harwood and Claye both playing off half back :)
Close and West also training well, coming off their injuries. Don't see Close being best 22 myself though, but if he trains well and performs in the reserves and other guys aren't going well, could get a spot.
Relevant article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-02/finger-surgery-sidelines-lion-allen-christensen-for-nab-challenge
Do not forget Lester as well - Seems to be in favour with some on the coaching panel. Mayes has also been runninf off half back at times. Paine also been training in defence and he may be the surprise call up for Clarke but hope not as Gardiner deserves his chance.
Quote from: Ringo on March 02, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: GoLions on March 02, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
Bundy will miss the rest of NAB after having finger surgery, still expected to start round 1 against the Iggles.
Claye been doing well off half back in match simulation drills is awesome, but hopefully he doesn't take Harwood's spot if/when he is fit :'(
Although if we have Hanley and Rich running through the middle of the ground most of the time, I wouldn't mind Harwood and Claye both playing off half back :)
Close and West also training well, coming off their injuries. Don't see Close being best 22 myself though, but if he trains well and performs in the reserves and other guys aren't going well, could get a spot.
Relevant article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-02/finger-surgery-sidelines-lion-allen-christensen-for-nab-challenge
Do not forget Lester as well - Seems to be in favour with some on the coaching panel. Mayes has also been runninf off half back at times. Paine also been training in defence and he may be the surprise call up for Clarke but hope not as Gardiner deserves his chance.
I'd prefer Mayes around half forward tbh, not sure where to put Lester. Then there's Cutler as well...
At least we are having competition for spots now!
Cutlers in for a big year in my opinion. Strong dashing half back runner.
Quote from: strikes91 on March 03, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Cutlers in for a big year in my opinion. Strong dashing half back runner.
Will be interesting to see if we ever go with both of Harwood and Cutler...I really like both of them haha
This is our NAB 2 Team
1. Ben Keays, 2. Ryan Harwood, 4. Ryan Bastinac, 5. Mitch Robinson, 7. Tom Bell, 8. Rohan Bewick, 10. Daniel Rich, 11. Pearce Hanley, 12. Stefan Martin, 14. Josh Walker, 15. Dayne Zorko, 18. Nick Robertson, 21. Daniel Merrett, 22. Marco Paparone, 23. Josh Schache, 24. Liam Dawson, 25. Daniel McStay, 26. Tom Cutler, 28. Lewis Taylor, 29. Jaden McGrath, 30. Eric Hipwood, 31. Harris Andrews, 32. Sam Mayes, 34. Jonathan Freeman, 35. Ryan Lester, 36. Rhys Mathieson, 38. Tom Rockliff, 44. Archie Smith, 46. Billy Evans
3 to be cut on Sunday Will be interesting which3 although suspect one would be Archie Smith. Christensen, Beams and Clarke the big guns missing with Clarke the only one doubtful for Rd 1. Lester, Harwood, Cutler, Mayes and maybe Dawson/McGrath fighting for 2 HB positions and 1 bench spot. Claye Beams will also put pressure on when fit.
Interesting that Gardiner not named so it would appear that McStay has the inside running for Clarkes position.
Close is returning via NEAFL this weekend as well so mire forward option pressure as well. Really like our depth this year something we have lacked in the past.
Zorko signed on til 2020. 4 year extension worth 500k a year
Leppa answered some questions on Twitter this morning. In summary:
- Harwood will be playing off half back
- Claye Beams will play off half back and the wing
- Bell will play as a big bodied half forward
- Zorko to get some more midfield time
- Archie Smith and Trent West a chance to get games to help out Martin
- Schache will play games, and Williams has also been good
- ROCKY WILL BE FINE
Quote from: GoLions on March 10, 2016, 12:59:39 PM
Leppa answered some questions on Twitter this morning. In summary:
- Harwood will be playing off half back
- Claye Beams will play off half back and the wing
- Bell will play as a big bodied half forward
- Zorko to get some more midfield time
- Archie Smith and Trent West a chance to get games to help out Martin
- Schache will play games, and Williams has also been good
- ROCKY WILL BE FINE
Rocky??? Rocky??..who is this Rocky being talked about??
This is a very telling stat from the game
"Lions had 50 defensive half chains for 12 inside-50s for a score of 0.4.(4). We also had 50 chains for 12 inside-50s & a score of 4.1.(25)."
Trust this being worked on. We still lost the clearances as well but much better in this area than last year though.
I like Lester and Bell up forward. Good awkward size behind the 2/3 talls we will play
Dayne Beams being out indefinite doesn't help also!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-13/dayne-beams-out-indefinitely-for-struggling-lions
Zorko offered a week for hitting Davis in the throat
Fair sanction though - Can not see how he can challenge it.
So who benefits most from Beams being out? Robinson continues to play on ball? Hanley? Zorko? Christensen? Bell?
Robbo will play on the ball. Hanley will play outside, Zorko will also play on the ball when he returns from suspension. He has lifted his tackling intensity so will slot in.
Bell will play on flanks and Bundy may not play Rd 1 but will more than likely come in Rd 2. Not a coach or on match committee - Will have Zorko and Rocky on the Ball. Robbo, Rich and Hanley in mids. Bundy on the flank with Bell. Lester may also be in the mix to play forward.
Agree with Robbo, could be a very good pod in your SC team
Quote from: strikes91 on March 15, 2016, 12:50:44 AM
Agree with Robbo, could be a very good pod in your SC team
Got the jet in draft and AF... Haven't played with my SC side yet!
As we have passed the half way of the season probably time to review where I think we sit. 1-10 not a good start although with our draw would have accepted 2 wins.
The first thing is Leppas performance - The club renewed his contract for stability and assisting with player retention. Whilst he has had some people management issues in previous years i think he has worked on them and improved in this area. I think the team will have to show improvement and win more games starting with Freo this week to justify to members the decision to extend. It is the coaches job to improve players and unfortunately I am failing to see it in some of Brisbanes senior players. Whether this is harsh or not let others be the judge but Rich and Hanley have really stagnated in recent years. Merrett has gone backwards and that could be due to old age. Taylor has not pressed om from his rising star award. Are these the fault of the coach or players attitude and response to coach not sure. Leppa has stated that basic skill errors are costing us in recent weeks and the game against Carlton. Who then is responsible the skills being imparted the coaching staff of course. I sit in the stands and am amazed at the puching of ball in the defensive 50 when a mark could have been made under no pressure.
Do not know but our goal kicking accuracy has been a problem for the last 2 years and I am wondering how this is being addressed.
Just hoping from the next 11 games we continue to show effort and improve our goal kicking and skills. If we do not then I think there will be real pressure on Leppa.
Some players also need to lift and earn the contract money.
Do not think Rich has been at his best since the leg injury but needs to lift his work rate despite tags.
Merrett needs to really assess his future as he has been well below his peak of 2 years ago.
Taylor and Green need to decide if they are going to be at Lions next year and if not we should play others.
Hanley seems to be struggling with what his role is and needs to sort.
Do not think the West/Martin experiment is working as neither is really a forward option when not in rucks. Is the May hit still having an effect on Stef as he has not been the same since the hit which may have led to the experiment.
Schache and Freeman look like they can become forward pillars ala Brown/Bradshaw and they need to be given a fair crack at working together. Someone needs to work on Freemans kicking style though looks very awkward kicking for goal and accuracy suffers.
Mattho, Jansen and Keays look like they could develop further and will be solid into the future.
Cutler, Andrews working well in defence,
Robbo and Bundy have settled in well and those trades have worked.
Jury still out on Walker and Paine is very up and down.
Zorko is Zorko.
Rocky and Beams injuries have hurt us. Did we do appropriate due diligence on Beams as he has only played minimum games since arriving
So as I said looking forward to more than 1 win in the next 11 games.
Hey lads, Ringo is Bundy Tom Bell? Not sure on the nicknames.
If it is, is there any chance he will move further into the midfield as the year progresses? Something about him always makes me feel like he's wasted in the forward line.
Bundy is Christensen
I'd like to see Hanley moved to more of a half back role, which could mean more mid time for Bell. I'm not the coach though :-\
Quote from: GoLions on June 07, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
Bundy is Christensen
I'd like to see Hanley moved to more of a half back role, which could mean more mid time for Bell. I'm not the coach though :-\
Hope this happens with "Bundy" Christensen gone for at least 4 weeks. But Andrews possibly back this weekend so selections will be interesting.
Quote from: Ringo on June 07, 2016, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 07, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
Bundy is Christensen
I'd like to see Hanley moved to more of a half back role, which could mean more mid time for Bell. I'm not the coach though :-\
Hope this happens with "Bundy" Christensen gone for at least 4 weeks. But Andrews possibly back this weekend so selections will be interesting.
Confirmed 8 weeks for Christensen now :-X
Anyone else think Leppitsch is to involved with the players outside the game. Seems a bit unprofessional commenting on their social media accounts and attending house gatherings. Do the players see him as a bunny and think they can get away with rubbish performances knowing they wont get dropped ?
Quote from: strikes91 on June 07, 2016, 07:18:51 PM
Anyone else think Leppitsch is to involved with the players outside the game. Seems a bit unprofessional commenting on their social media accounts and attending house gatherings. Do the players see him as a bunny and think they can get away with rubbish performances knowing they wont get dropped ?
Fine line Strikes - Trying to develop a family culture to stave of the go home factor which has cruelled us v coming to close to players. Will reserve judgement till later in the season when we play teams from bottom half of ladder.
Really poor performance, want to see this on Thursday night.
In: Jono Freeman, Rhys Mathieson, Marco Paparone, Matt Hammelman
Out: Stef Martin, Daniel Rich, Pearce Hanley, Daniel Merrett
FB: Harwood, McStay, Andrews
HB: Cutler, Gardiner, Paparone
M: Bastinac, Robinson, Mayes
HF: Bewick, Freeman, Taylor
FF: Keays, Schache, Zorko
R: West, Rockliff, Bell
INT: Hammelman, Robertson, Mathieson, Jansen
I don't watch every Brisbane game obviously but boy it seems like Merrett drops a lot of easy chest marks
Does he do that every week? Noticed it against the dees too
Quote from: nrich102 on June 11, 2016, 07:43:57 PM
Really poor performance, want to see this on Thursday night.
In: Jono Freeman, Rhys Mathieson, Marco Paparone, Matt Hammelman
Out: Stef Martin, Daniel Rich, Pearce Hanley, Daniel Merrett
FB: Harwood, McStay, Andrews
HB: Cutler, Gardiner, Paparone
M: Bastinac, Robinson, Mayes
HF: Bewick, Freeman, Taylor
FF: Keays, Schache, Zorko
R: West, Rockliff, Bell
INT: Hammelman, Robertson, Mathieson, Jansen
C'mon mate, Hanley was good today, Rich went alright with the Barlow tag. I would rather drop West than Stefan, still think he can do well as the solo ruck. Merrett hasn't been great, but when you take him out, our defence will be even worse, so don't think that would be a good move.
West needs to be dropped, otherwise Stef is a waste. Taylor has been terrible, so he should be dropped. Keays will probably come out for Matho. Jansen may get another chance. Bell was disappointing, but he played well last week.
So my changes would probably be:
- West out, Freeman in
- Keays out, Matho in
- Taylor out, Paparone in
Just drop them for a week, make a point. Hanley was bad today, was shocking whenever he got the ball.
Quote from: nrich102 on June 11, 2016, 08:11:49 PM
Just drop them for a week, make a point. Hanley was bad today, was shocking whenever he got the ball.
He was one of our only players to win the contested ball, which we badly need
Back from the game and still disgusted with our skill level.
Can not blame Leppa for kicks along the ground, dropped marks, punching the ball when it is an easy mark handballing to players under pressure.
I am sorry but I tend to agree with nrich in that Leppa needs to drop some Senior players as they are not performing and start getting games into kids as they are the future. We do not need to go after Cloke ir Jenkins as we need a forwrad in the 24 - 26 age bracket who can move forawrd with the club whilst Schache and co develop.
Paparone must come in after an outstanding game in the NEAFL today.
As we are playing West Coiast next week and probably on another hiding I would be ruthless to give kids games.
Mattheson for Keays
Freeman or Close for West.
Lester if fit for Merrett
Paparone for Hanley or Rich.
If you drop seniors players and get absolutely belted, it's going to look ten times worse.
The kids need some leaders out there.
I'm with Ringo you can't keep accepting mediocrity from senior players, there has to be accountability for everyone regardless of their name or position within the club. If they deserve to be dropped then drop them back to the NEAFL. Can't have lesser named players dropped for the same reasons without making the senior players accountable for those reasons.
You're not making a point by dropping senior players after they've played well though. That's how you end up with players leaving the club.
Rich and Hanley played well enough today. A lot of other players didn't.
Quote from: GoLions on June 12, 2016, 12:47:33 AM
You're not making a point by dropping senior players after they've played well though. That's how you end up with players leaving the club.
Rich and Hanley played well enough today. A lot of other players didn't.
I agree with that 100% mate, that would be a ridiculous scenario. They must deserve to be dropped for a reason.
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
I thought Bells game last night was serviceable. His last 3 games have been probably the best for the club.
And to clarify my comment earlier talking to a lot of club members at a function prior to the game we all agrred that Leppa should be a given a chance to finish what he is developing (No other club can equal the 34 list turnovers we have had in 3 years), but he should not be afraid to drop under performing Senior players. Merrett and West imo are the 2 who should be really dropped this week. We also agreed that Rich is nowhere near the player he was 5 years ago.
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 02:33:27 AM
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
Does he?? Everything I've heard is his tank is the only thing keeping out of playing full time midfield
Also,
For crying out loud please drop West so Stef can flowering do something for my SC, RDT, AF, WXV :'(
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 02:33:27 AM
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
Does he?? Everything I've heard is his tank is the only thing keeping out of playing full time midfield
He is easily top 3 in the club for endurance, probably only behind Robertson and Paparone. The thing keeping him out of the midfield is his shocking disposal efficiency
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 02:33:27 AM
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
Does he?? Everything I've heard is his tank is the only thing keeping out of playing full time midfield
He is easily top 3 in the club for endurance, probably only behind Robertson and Paparone. The thing keeping him out of the midfield is his shocking disposal efficiency
In what test?
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 02:33:27 AM
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
Does he?? Everything I've heard is his tank is the only thing keeping out of playing full time midfield
He is easily top 3 in the club for endurance, probably only behind Robertson and Paparone. The thing keeping him out of the midfield is his shocking disposal efficiency
In what test?
Young midfielder Tom Bell continues to be a standout on the track, not only for his elite running ability, but also for his endurance.
“Belly has come into the Club (from Carlton) and he’s running really well," said midfield coach Simon Black.
“He has great running ability which is a big strength in this game. It’s a good asset for us.â€
"We’ve had some payers come back and make a statement with their running and shown what they're capable off, while some new players in Tom Bell & Ryan Bastinac have shown they are ready to go also.
"The challenge is to set high standards, do the small things well and just get better every day."
The Top Three:
1st. Nick Robertson
2nd. Marco Paparone
3rd. Tom Bell
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-11-27/3km-time-trial
Well there you go. Goes against what a few have said who are/were close to him... but can't knock that quote.
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 02:33:27 AM
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
Does he?? Everything I've heard is his tank is the only thing keeping out of playing full time midfield
Also,
For crying out loud please drop West so Stef can flowering do something for my SC, RDT, AF, WXV :'(
Also for my AXV :'(
Quote from: nas on June 12, 2016, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 02:33:27 AM
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
Does he?? Everything I've heard is his tank is the only thing keeping out of playing full time midfield
Also,
For crying out loud please drop West so Stef can flowering do something for my SC, RDT, AF, WXV :'(
Also for my AXV :'(
Gifted ya a superstar by the name of Tom Hickey, should play him instead I reckon!
When is S Martins contract up this form slump is real weird
Martin is signed till end of 2019. Trent West however is only signed till end of this year.
Quote from: nas on June 12, 2016, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 12, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: strikes91 on June 12, 2016, 02:33:27 AM
Bell should be the first one dropped. Such a lazy player who has an amazing endurance tank on him. Today was the lowest the club has been under the name Lions
Does he?? Everything I've heard is his tank is the only thing keeping out of playing full time midfield
Also,
For crying out loud please drop West so Stef can flowering do something for my SC, RDT, AF, WXV :'(
Also for my AXV :'(
I need West for my AXV this week :P
Can any of you Lions guys shed any light on this West , Martin combo your coach is persisting with I fail to see any positives in it ?
Despite the appearance of not working since the inclusion of West we have lifted our contested possessions and clearances so they are the positives. However the situation is that neither are forwards and that is the problem. With the inclusion of Hipwood this week I am expecting West to be dropped as Hipwood can play both ends.
Quote from: Ringo on June 15, 2016, 06:40:44 PM
Despite the appearance of not working since the inclusion of West we have lifted our contested possessions and clearances so they are the positives. However the situation is that neither are forwards and that is the problem. With the inclusion of Hipwood this week I am expecting West to be dropped as Hipwood can play both ends.
Ok Ringo I kept seeing that West's HOTA were so much better than Martins but going on his SC scores that is not true , Also Keays had a poor game think he will keep his spot?
Quote from: shaker on June 15, 2016, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 15, 2016, 06:40:44 PM
Despite the appearance of not working since the inclusion of West we have lifted our contested possessions and clearances so they are the positives. However the situation is that neither are forwards and that is the problem. With the inclusion of Hipwood this week I am expecting West to be dropped as Hipwood can play both ends.
Ok Ringo I kept seeing that West's HOTA were so much better than Martins but going on his SC scores that is not true , Also Keays had a poor game think he will keep his spot?
Leppa said he'd keep playing kids even though some don't deserve to be playing over others atm. So Keays might keep his spot.
Just home from the game.
Very scrappy game overall. Both teams fumbled a fair bit so do not know whether the ground was still damp from the rain we have had this week or skills were bad from both sides.
Concerned generally that the In The Back Rule seems to have disappeared from the game no just this game but games I have watched this year, So many obvious ones not being paid.
From a Lions perspective we were much better than last week commitment wise but skill errors really hurt. Eagles scored 7.4 from turnovers and that does not include the 2 goals Kennedy got from Merret frees.
Do not know whether kicking backwards and hand passing is coaches instructions or not but really frustrating to see ball being kicked backward and handball overused when coming out of defence. We are far too slow moving the ball forward as quite often we have marked a ball and then seem to take forever to kick or handball it when a long kick would be to a one on one contest and quite often both Schache and Walker were metres in front of defenders/.
Robbo was BOG and head and shoulders above anyone else despite the SC scores. He also kept Priddis quiet much to the detriment of my SC team.
Martin returned to form with avengence after his rest,
Rockliff Did not really see him much but looking at the stats see he had 10 tackles which lifts his scoring.
Zorko had another strong game.
Walker responded strongly after being dropped and Bastinac and Taylor had patches of brilliance.
Jansen and Hipwood both showed something although Hipwood needs to work on the weights in the off season.
Hanley undoubtedly had his best game of the season no doubt responding to the criticism of the leadership group.
Paporone was a welcome return
Keays probably needs a rest but whether we persevere till byes in 2 weeks remains to be seen.
Lester could not get near it.
Rich again was below par and Merrett again too slow and gave away 5 frees.
Harwood injured in first quarter really hurt.
Disappointing but the effort was there this week.
No matter which style we play we're still useless.
I am looking on the positive side we are getting games into the youngsters. Schache, Hippwood and Freeman could be a potent forward line - Andrews, Gardiner Mcstay will be a solid defensive line, All need some more time on the weights as their bodies still require development (Hipwood has grown 3cm this year).
Cutler is starting to produce after his injury.
As I said in my review the real disappointment is the lack of confidence to kick the ball long forward. Crowd made their view on the backward kicking and over use of handball known last night. Hoping if we get extra funds to help our football department we put it into development coaches as that is an area we are really falling down.
Paparone dropped again ??? Don't think I like that.
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Love you bye
Ah, the memes....
Wouldn't rule that out, don't you remember what the Bye did to port a few years back
does anyone know if Zorko is expected back next week i know he didn't play for personal reasons but no further info
nobody knows?
I know as much as you do kb, missed last week for personal reasons. I'd assume he'll be good to go next week though.
Quote from: GoLions on June 30, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
I know as much as you do kb, missed last week for personal reasons. I'd assume he'll be good to go next week though.
yeah i guess they would say if they expected him out longer
was only keen to know as i wouldn't keep Barlow if Zorko wasnt back next week
There was something going on about his partners baby was due but have not seen any thing on this so still unsure. With the profile that Zorko has would have thought a birth would have at least made papers.
Quote from: Ringo on June 30, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
There was something going on about his partners baby was due but have not seen any thing on this so still unsure. With the profile that Zorko has would have thought a birth would have at least made papers.
100% baby apparently, She had already had it before the match last week he just stayed with her in Brisbane.
Thanks Strikes been trying to find out.
Update
Zorko was at training session today after the break as well. Mitch Robinson also training strongly so hope he is over the concussion.
Essendon targeting Green through the Pre season draft. Offering him $400,000 a season not sure on the length. Bombers are known for being difficult during trade season.
Lewis Taylor article popped up this morning but Lucas denies he or Squizzy leaked the info. Is the club trying to ram the point home to the afl on just how hard it is to keep players up here ?
Probably trying to reinforce how we have to pay overs if we are to keep players. Player managers now this as well and try and screw us over. Think the club needs to take a firm stand and start paying players what they are worth or we will be continually in the proverbial. Thanks to Eddie Maguire we lost our retention allowance and boy could we use it now so indirectly Eddie Maguire and his cronies are responsible for Brisbanes predicament.
As much as you lose players, you do gain some good ones.
Beams, Robbo, Bell, Bastinac immediately come to mind.
You're literally one really good KPF and one really good KPD from being a very good team. You have the structures set down back and up forward (Andrews, Gardiner, Mcstay / Schache, Hipwood, Freeman) as you've already stated Ringo.
You have good mid / fwds (Taylor, Keays, Zorko) and a midfield that when fit is already elite (Rocky, Beams) as well as blokes like Hanley and Rich.
The future is very bright imo
I though Schache has done quiet well this year, exceeded my expectations of a first year player. he has missed at least 10 sitters and should be up around the 25 mark for goals. I'm actually quite happy with the forward line. Defense is hard to judge with the amount of easy inside 50's coming in. Midfield is the major problem. Outside Robinson the rest lack defensive running. Plus the missed tackles is a killer nearly every week. Too many waist tackles that do nothing and allows the opposition just to simply handball to a team mate.
Defence suffered with the forced retirement of Clarke - Clarke, Andrews and Gardiner/McStay would have been a nice back 3 talls going forward. Still not convinced on Paine in defence although he has shown a little at times but it is a big step up from NEAFL to AFL. Hope William gets a chance although his disposal by foot is a little worry.
Agree on the tackling not being made to stick - Really grieves me sitting in the stands seeing the tackles broken in the back half and the run the opposition gets out of it.
Any chance Robbo to heater this week?
Quote from: _wato on July 11, 2016, 10:50:51 PM
Any chance Robbo to heater this week?
Bloody hope not,will kill his DT score big time,Robbo that is not Heater.
Quote from: _wato on July 11, 2016, 10:50:51 PM
Any chance Robbo to heater this week?
Probably goes to Shiel
Quote from: GoLions on July 11, 2016, 10:54:51 PM
Quote from: _wato on July 11, 2016, 10:50:51 PM
Any chance Robbo to heater this week?
Probably goes to Shiel
Thought as much, but Shaw gives GWS so much more drive and Attack than Shiel in the middle
Plus Robbo has played small forward before at Carlton, so it wouldn't surprise me
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Quote from: GoLions on July 11, 2016, 10:54:51 PM
Quote from: _wato on July 11, 2016, 10:50:51 PM
Any chance Robbo to heater this week?
Probably goes to Shiel
Thought as much, but Shaw gives GWS so much more drive and Attack than Shiel in the middle
Plus Robbo has played small forward before at Carlton, so it wouldn't surprise me
If we still had Beams and a few others playing, then possibly, but I don't think we'd want to play Robbo outside of the midfield.
Still, I guess it's possible. Think Bewick used to do run-with roles as well a while back, so he could possibly go to Shaw, but obviously not as effective as Robbo would be.
Hmm fair enough
Surely Rocky Zorko Rich Jansen Matho Bastinac could cover for Robbo though
Looks like Jansen is being played forward more with Bell and Bundy injured. Matho won't be spending the full time in the mids either. Bell, Beams, or Bundy in and I think Robbo would go to Shaw.
Tbh he might not even tag if we think there aren't any mids damaging enough, and want Robbo to run riot in the mids :P
Would like to see Bewick on Shaw. Shiel needs to be shut down, perfect job for Robbo.
Did not see last games being overseas but could we ask Schache or Hipwood to apply a forward tag on Shaw to increase their learnings. Bewick or Green could be other options.
Rockliff just got a serve up by Andrew Hamilton. Seems like there's a party boy problem with him and Pearce Hanley
Smith upgraded, chance of him making his debut this week/season?
What are the chances Leppa will let Robbo go and get his own ball this week instead of trying to stop opposition players getting it Shiel racked 34 disposals so it is not working and you are still getting belted , is Leppa stubborn or just not very smart ? the last part of last season we saw that Robbo can be very good as a ball winner
Quote from: shaker on July 20, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
What are the chances Leppa will let Robbo go and get his own ball this week instead of trying to stop opposition players getting it Shiel racked 34 disposals so it is not working and you are still getting belted , is Leppa stubborn or just not very smart ? the last part of last season we saw that Robbo can be very good as a ball winner
I've been saying this pretty much all year,mainly because it affects his fantasy scores haha but it doesn't really do Brisbane any good to do it,if you guys were actually winning games and it was affecting the results your way I can see why but atm it is a waste of time and agree that Robbo is a very good ball winner for you guys when not tagging.
Quote from: LF on July 20, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 20, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
What are the chances Leppa will let Robbo go and get his own ball this week instead of trying to stop opposition players getting it Shiel racked 34 disposals so it is not working and you are still getting belted , is Leppa stubborn or just not very smart ? the last part of last season we saw that Robbo can be very good as a ball winner
I've been saying this pretty much all year,mainly because it affects his fantasy scores haha but it doesn't really do Brisbane any good to do it,if you guys were actually winning games and it was affecting the results your way I can see why but atm it is a waste of time and agree that Robbo is a very good ball winner for you guys when not tagging.
Haha maybe we should coach the Lions LF :P
Quote from: shaker on July 20, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: LF on July 20, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 20, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
What are the chances Leppa will let Robbo go and get his own ball this week instead of trying to stop opposition players getting it Shiel racked 34 disposals so it is not working and you are still getting belted , is Leppa stubborn or just not very smart ? the last part of last season we saw that Robbo can be very good as a ball winner
I've been saying this pretty much all year,mainly because it affects his fantasy scores haha but it doesn't really do Brisbane any good to do it,if you guys were actually winning games and it was affecting the results your way I can see why but atm it is a waste of time and agree that Robbo is a very good ball winner for you guys when not tagging.
Haha maybe we should coach the Lions LF :P
Maybe Bomber might employ you guys as assistants for 2017? :-X
Any avid Brisbane supporter (or others) want to give me an opinion on a potential dpp?
Ryan Bastinac for forward status? Has been named on the forward pocket 8 times this year and the bench 7 times (so hard to know where he comes on). He plays his fair share of mid time but so do many others that gain forward status. Im asking because i really only watched the last two games (where he did play a forward role for a lot of it), what do you guys think his chances are? :P
Zero, never really noticed him up forward.
Archie Smith and Sam Skinner set to debut this week, Lewy Taylor also a good chance to return.
Schache, Hammelmann, and Keays the likely outs.
Disappointing with the outs after the win. No chance to back it up
Sam Skinner hurt his knee, no debut.
Done his ACL. Absolutely devastated for him. I hope this won't be the tale of how his career will go :(
Walk away leppa.
My house mate a lions supporter and so I have watched every game this year for them.
Issue number 1 just basic footy awareness, the lions players hardly spread often so when they do the decisions made are the wrong ones.
Number 2, the wingman. Mayes, Hanley, Dawson, Rich or anyone who ever seems to be on the wing provides nothing. Basically what Rockliff does running sideways to get cheap kicks the wingers have to do to let an even contest around the stoppage. Because when the wingman are at ball ups are the middle of the ground they only float/ 50-50 commit to going or staying off the pack
Number 3, they aren't good enough to play hit up football, either put an extra tall in the team like on a wing or move guys like Green etc closer to goal so they aren't the ones needing to lead up through the middle of the ground
Number 4: Lions set up for offence when being in a 50-50 situation at a stoppage. The lions mids Zorko, Rich, Hanley all on the defensive side of the pack to allow themselves "more time" by overlapping run. However since lions don't win the ball the opposition have the same set up. This turns into work rate tonight Gray, Boak, Ebert were behind the pack Gray kicked it towards the forward 50 and the ball got spoiled forward. Hanley, Rich etc had 20 meters to get to the fall of the ball. Gray etc had 40.
Number 5: creating space the skills of the big guys was unbelievable. Every time lions seem to be looking for a target both talls, the third tall and whoever else thinks they have good hands all end up in the same spot. Hipwood instead of competing it a 2-2 let's say it is a 1-10. 4 of them 10 blokes are team mates trying to mark the footy as well
Nice summary Griff. Footy skills has been a killer this year but hopefully youngsters will learn from this. That is the one positive we can take this year is getting games into youngsters.
Lions have announced a coaching review at end of season so maybe the end is nigh for Leppa. Leppa seems to have no back up plans when things start to go wrong. Too often this year we have been blown away in 2nd quarters and Leppa has not reacted by putting another behind to stop the flow. Basic football.
We have put men back behind the play and it hasn't worked.
So Leppitsch is expected to be fired just after the Lions round 23 game. There is going to be an article in tomorrow's HS about it. His press conference and the fact that he said the AFL has given them nothing after the AFL had already agreed to hand Brisbane some cash was seen as part of the determining factor.
AFL.com.au reporting that Sauce is about to retire
:'(
Cops a lot of crap from some people (particularly other Lions supporters), but without him as an experienced body in our defence, guys like Andrews or Gardiner will now be playing on the #1 forwards of each team.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-08-16/merrett-announces-retirement
Confirmation that Sauce will retire at seasons end. Really makes our chase for a key defender even more urgent. Come on down Alex Rance.
The announcement although going for 7 mins well worth listening and shows Sauces commitment to the club.
Hearing that Josh Clayton will be making his debut this week!
Has been confirmed - Will bring some run to the side which faded in second half last week.
http://www.lions.com.au/video/2016-08-18/inside-the-den-clayton-to-debut
Quote from: Ringo on August 18, 2016, 03:47:56 PM
Has been confirmed - Will bring some run to the side which faded in second half last week.
http://www.lions.com.au/video/2016-08-18/inside-the-den-clayton-to-debut
The Werewolves might need him for the BXV Grand Final this week :(
Any idea who may replace Leppitsch. Lets face it he's no chance for next year.
Quote from: strikes91 on August 23, 2016, 10:07:33 PM
Any idea who may replace Leppitsch. Lets face it he's no chance for next year.
No Idea Strikes - There was one rumour which I hope is incorrect that Matthews was asked to be an interim coach for 12 months.
Think we will be stuck with an assistant coach from one of the other teams although there is some suggestion we may get Brett Ratten. Neal Craig has been mentioned in some circles as well. We are also facing a cleanout with Black, Woewoedin and O'Donnell also leaving. Would be happy if we could unearth a "Luke Beveridge" or "Brendon Bolton"from assistant coaches bringing fresh ideas.
Player reviews are scheduled for next Monday and Tuesday so will be interesting to see who does not front as will give us an idea as to who may be moving. Josh Green I would say is the only real one although Gardiner and Cutler still have to re-sign as well.
On Wednesday I expect the club to announce Leppa's departure. Feel sorry for him but although injuries are one excuse the fact is we dot appear to have gone forward in the three years at all.
Dizz is close apparently, thought cuts was signed on.
Trade rumours : Green and Jaden McGrath. Highly Doubt the club will ask Rockliff to leave. Silly if they do
De listings and retirements possibly this Merrett, West, Clarke (Ret) : McGuinnes, Watts, Evans
Keeping Beasley and Paine is important for next year for depth. As everyone knows we will be quite undermanned down back and if Harris goes down... ouch.
Claye Beams may need to be pushed to the rookie list as well.
What a great move for a club trying to build a decent culture. Sack the whole coaching panel.
We have to keep Leppa.
aflratings.com.au â€@aflratings 4m4 minutes ago
Brisbane: Dayne Zorko wins Lions Best & Fairest
Whats everyone's thoughts here on Tom Bell? Ivr always seem him as a midfielder, frustrated me no end seeing him played forward this season. Is it a tank issue? Was it something a cosching change will fix or is it deeper than that?
He is a bit like Zorko Ele - Can go into midfield when required but really lights up that HF position - When he came back against Geelong showed what we were missing. So atm can not see him getting back into the midfield with Beams to come back in as well,
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-04/tom-rockliff-the-right-man-to-lead-the-lions-says-dayne-zorko
surprising a bit
Quote from: elephants on September 03, 2016, 11:39:42 PM
Whats everyone's thoughts here on Tom Bell? Ivr always seem him as a midfielder, frustrated me no end seeing him played forward this season. Is it a tank issue? Was it something a cosching change will fix or is it deeper than that?
His best season at AFL level has been as a half forward. He has the body size for a contested beast in the midfield, but where he was so effective was sucking his opponent up the field and destroying them with his running back towards goal. If you can get a 60/40 mix instead of the 70/30 it would be ideal.
Quote from: Mat0369 on September 04, 2016, 08:20:52 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 03, 2016, 11:39:42 PM
Whats everyone's thoughts here on Tom Bell? Ivr always seem him as a midfielder, frustrated me no end seeing him played forward this season. Is it a tank issue? Was it something a cosching change will fix or is it deeper than that?
His best season at AFL level has been as a half forward. He has the body size for a contested beast in the midfield, but where he was so effective was sucking his opponent up the field and destroying them with his running back towards goal. If you can get a 60/40 mix instead of the 70/30 it would be ideal.
Good insight cheers mat and ringo!
Not a fan of Zorko's comments regarding the priority pick. When we have the chance of getting a high pick probably not the best to say we don't need one.
Yep Heard that - Saying we have players just need the developing which is true but probably did not need to say don't need the draft pick. Interesting Sen Interview.
Trevor Marmalade a strong chance to coach in 2017. Got close sources too.
Quote from: _wato on September 05, 2016, 04:30:07 PM
Trevor Marmalade a strong chance to coach in 2017. Got close sources too.
really? feel like u are joking
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 05, 2016, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: _wato on September 05, 2016, 04:30:07 PM
Trevor Marmalade a strong chance to coach in 2017. Got close sources too.
really? feel like u are joking
Getting a laugh out of this!
Must put in the Trevor Marmalade Award.
well i didn't think it was funny hence i wasnt sure if he was joking
haha that's gold
not like this
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-22/adelaide-football-manager-david-noble-joins-the-brisbane-lions
Noble confirmed as our new General Manager of football
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-27/2017-fixture
Thoughts on our draw for this year.
Reasonably happy considering the horror draw we have been dealt the last 2 years. Not the horror start we have previously had with 3 or more winnable games in the first 2 rounds.
Other pros:
Only one trip to Perth and Adelaide.
Playing Sydney on the SCG and only once.
Only playing 1 of last years Top 8 twice
6 Games in Melbourne.
Cons:
Playing premiers twice after finishing 2nd last.
No prime time games but to be expected with our performance. Means only one Channel 7 game for Melbourne fans.
Why do we play Richmond at Etihad and not MCG given I think MCG is designated as Richmonds home ground.
Is this a case if the AFL rewarding us for letting them control some moves eg Fagan and Noble? Reckon Leppa will be fuming when he sees this draw.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-11-09/mcgrath-steps-away-from-afl-career
Damn, really liked McGrath :-\
Wish him all the best with whatever he pursues from here
Quote from: GoLions on November 09, 2016, 03:03:53 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-11-09/mcgrath-steps-away-from-afl-career
Damn, really liked McGrath :-\
Wish him all the best with whatever he pursues from here
Agree 100%. But with his injuries that probably had an influence on his desire to keep playing, Also wish the best for him,
Some good and bad news for FF from the Lions Training session this morning. Even had a chance to talk to Chris Fagan as well.
Observations from the session
Very little dropped ball during the sessions which was very encouraging. (Comparing to sessions this season)
Positive attitude around the club.
Dayne Beams running very well and talking part in full contact sessions.
Daniel Rich appears to have a new found bout of enthusiasm and is looking good.
Beast Matthieson has added further bulk and has lost none of his aggression.
Hard to gauge Rocky's attitude but doing everything asked of him.
Recruits all settling in.
Archie Smith doing a fair amount of work with forwards suggesting we may go with both Stef and Archie.
Eric Hipwood has grown another 2 cms and now stands at 204cm.
There will be competition for spots which will further improve team.
These are the players currently in rehab group or not taking part in full sessions:
Marco Paporone recovering from surgery to foot and still with a limp.
Jack Frost
Stef Martin - (Took part in some drills but ran laps)
Tom Bell
Claye Beams
Reuben William
Blake Grewar
I know he may be fantasy irrelevant to most but did you notice how Christensen looked today?
Might be a sneaky pod as a forward considering he has averaged around that 100 mark in previous years.
Quote from: Money Shot on December 19, 2016, 05:38:32 PM
I know he may be fantasy irrelevant to most but did you notice how Christensen looked today?
Might be a sneaky pod as a forward considering he has averaged around that 100 mark in previous years.
He looked very solid and ran freely completed all drills as well. Appears a little quicker than i remember from previous year at Lions. Looks like he will return to forwards as well as he was training there.
Quote from: Ringo on December 19, 2016, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on December 19, 2016, 05:38:32 PM
I know he may be fantasy irrelevant to most but did you notice how Christensen looked today?
Might be a sneaky pod as a forward considering he has averaged around that 100 mark in previous years.
He looked very solid and ran freely completed all drills as well. Appears a little quicker than i remember from previous year at Lions. Looks like he will return to forwards as well as he was training there.
Wonder if he'll still get another shot off half back, must say, he looked alright there.
Might be a nice pod for me then. Not in my team currently but definitely on my watch list.
Quote from: Money Shot on December 19, 2016, 07:19:15 PM
Might be a nice pod for me then. Not in my team currently but definitely on my watch list.
Only if he keeps the man bun down. ;)
Quote from: Ringo on December 19, 2016, 02:02:01 PM
Dayne Beams running very well and talking part in full contact sessions.
Good to hear, that lock got a little bigger!
Quote from: Ringo on December 19, 2016, 02:02:01 PM
Daniel Rich appears to have a new found bout of enthusiasm and is looking good.
Unless his enthusiasm includes walking on water and turning gatorade to wine I wont consider him haha
Quote from: Ringo on December 19, 2016, 02:02:01 PM
Beast Matthieson has added further bulk and has lost none of his aggression.
Hopefully that includes his neck muscles :P
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-20/angry-rockliff-looking-to-rediscover-his-love-of-the-game
Captain will be decided towards the end of preseason and for what it is worth reckon it will one of these 3 Rocky to continue, or the Daynes Beams or Zorko.
Also reckon it will be a make ir break season for Ryan Lester and Liam Dawson.
Also read that report on Rocky and makes sense especially the withdrawing when things not going well. Will need to win back a bit of respect though following that untimely tweet.
For those that went to the training, how did Tom Bell look? Thought he was going to be a star at Carlton and was really sad to see him go. Didn't do much last year though ::)
Training with the rehab group at the moment MS. So waiting to see in the new year. Still looks nice and solid physically.
From the BLT facey page:
Lions intraclub match today. I think it might still be going, but some main points to take away:
- Jake Barrett put in a very good performance after qtr time.
- Lewy Taylor looking to move the ball forward and more direct. No circles.
- Schache dominant.
- Andrews evidently been spending time in the gym.
- McCluggage played first half. Didn't accumulate too much of the ball but absolutely exquisite disposal efficiency.
Beams, Bell and Christensen not fit to play. Still recovering from injuries.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2017-02-10/schache-shines-in-intraclub
The other from this report.
"Tom Rockliff, on the way back from an Achilles niggle, played the second half and got through well."
Did Blake Grewar play?
Was not there Jukes but suspect he did. Will try and confirm for you. It was virtually a Probables v Possibles match. Fagan has stated that JLT form will be considered for Rd 1 and he will be playing strongest available team each week.
Quote from: Ringo on February 10, 2017, 10:36:46 PM
Was not there Jukes but suspect he did. Will try and confirm for you. It was virtually a Probables v Possibles match. Fagan has stated that JLT form will be considered for Rd 1 and he will be playing strongest available team each week.
Cheers mate, I really rate the kid (as both a fantasy prospect and a footballer) so hopefully he can get a shot this season, preferably early for my AXVIII side! :P
Great to know that in 2 years we'll have the best 2 forwards in the competition, Schache and Harris.
Ladies 4/4 so come on guys you need to win as many as ladies to save face. ;)
Will need a bigger venue than brendale for finals though.
Dayne Beams will Captain the Brisbane Lions in 2017.
The 27-year-old will lead a seven-man Leadership Group charged with upholding and driving the Club’s values.
Tom Rockliff has been named as Vice-Captain, while Dayne Zorko has been appointed Deputy Vice-Captain.
Beams, Rockliff and Zorko will be supported by Stefan Martin, Allen Christensen, Ryan Lester and Harris Andrews, who offer a balance of experience and youth.
Beams arrived at the Lions in 2015 after spending six years at Collingwood, where he won a Premiership Medal in 2010. He is expected to play a big part in the midfield this season, having now recovered from the string of injuries which affected his 2015 and 2016 campaigns.
General Manager of Football David Noble praised Beams for his strong leadership qualities.
“Dayne is someone who inspires the guys around him to get the best out of themselves, both on and off the field. He is a family man, and has grown into a leader in the short time that he has been at the Club,†said Noble.
“Each of the seven members of the Leadership Group are passionate about helping Brisbane become relevant again, and will continue to drive the direction we are heading in, living the standards that are expected of our professional footballers."
“The range of experience in this group is an affirmation of our expectation that players of all levels strive to be leaders and uphold our core values."
Whilst Leading Teams facilitated the development of the players trademark and behaviours, the football department and CEO recommended the leadership group and structure to the Board.
Thoughts on this - Reasonably happy and great to see young Harris Andrews included in the leadership group. Potential Leader of the club so give him all the help early. Lester is a bit of a surprise though,
Did not see that coming. Does Rocky drop his bundle now, or no real effect?
No real effect Frenzy as Rocky has expressed allegiance to the club and new Captain. I t was virtually know from end of last season that it was highly unlikely that Rocky would retain captaincy.
So thoughts on Rockliff hanging around?. Kid on the way house completed with Chris Fagan hoping for his signature. 6months ago he was a deadset certainty to be gone.
My thoughts exactly Strikes
Spoke to him at the fan day and he really wants to give something this year, Realises he has to pay a price and hopes to let his footy do the talking. Fagan has wiped the slate clean so up to him to earn respect and contract renewal. Contract expires end of this season.
Quote from: Ringo on March 07, 2017, 05:17:35 PM
My thoughts exactly Strikes
Spoke to him at the fan day and he really wants to give something this year, Realises he has to pay a price and hopes to let his footy do the talking. Fagan has wiped the slate clean so up to him to earn respect and contract renewal. Contract expires end of this season.
Did you get any vibe out of him for sticking around or finding a new club for 2018 ?
No real vibe Strikes but as you say with house finished and bub on way could be the clinchers to stay. He said he likes the Lions and we will be on the way up over the next 2 seasons so maybe that could be an indication as well.
Personally think anything more than 3 wins this season will be a win as a lot of the sides around us eg Carlton are similarly placed in their rebuild. can not see too many teams falling as well.
Thanks Ringo. Can only see Carlton challenging us for the spoon
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This is extremely concerning.
Firstly why allow concerts if they are going to prejudice events at the Gabba for 6 weeks later. Surely the should have laid down the conditions that the area of the pitches should be subject to a raised stage or similar with noting on the ground to damage the pitch.
The main concern I have is if SQ agree to Cricket Australias request we would have to reassign our first 2 home games. A lot of us would have planned our winter based on home games.
The other thing it will be some 11 weeks after the last home and away game before the Test so surely this is sufficient time to sort out given there are saying 6 weeks required now to take root.
The Women are not as heavy as men and will not effect the ground as much so their final should also be played at the Gabba where they could expect a crowd of 15/20k.
were u guys surprised about Barrett getting dropped or u think they just resting him he played good last week
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 14, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
were u guys surprised about Barrett getting dropped or u think they just resting him he played good last week
Hard to say. I was expecting him to be dropped last week, but he was pretty good against the Saints. Will be interesting to see what happens when Bundy and Clugg return.
Quote from: GoLions on April 14, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 14, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
were u guys surprised about Barrett getting dropped or u think they just resting him he played good last week
Hard to say. I was expecting him to be dropped last week, but he was pretty good against the Saints. Will be interesting to see what happens when Bundy and Clugg return.
Was surprised but then Bastinac replied to his axing by being best on field in NEAFL demanding a recall. Barrett was going well though so hence the surprise. Will be interesting to see who makes the final cut later today. It is interesting that we have listed Cedric Cox on field with both Berry and Claye Beams on the extended bench and to many options to try and guess the three to be omitted as a case can be made for all 6 to play.
Think GL means beastmode rather than Clugg who is playing this week ;) Bundy may play NEAFL this week so not far away and Beastmode is listed as 2 weeks.
Quote from: Ringo on April 14, 2017, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: GoLions on April 14, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 14, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
were u guys surprised about Barrett getting dropped or u think they just resting him he played good last week
Hard to say. I was expecting him to be dropped last week, but he was pretty good against the Saints. Will be interesting to see what happens when Bundy and Clugg return.
Was surprised but then Bastinac replied to his axing by being best on field in NEAFL demanding a recall. Barrett was going well though so hence the surprise. Will be interesting to see who makes the final cut later today. It is interesting that we have listed Cedric Cox on field with both Berry and Claye Beams on the extended bench and to many options to try and guess the three to be omitted as a case can be made for all 6 to play.
Think GL means beastmode rather than Clugg who is playing this week ;) Bundy may play NEAFL this week so not far away and Beastmode is listed as 2 weeks.
Haha yeah, meant Matho, not Clugg :P
Well, Christensen is done for the year. Lovely.
Quote from: GoLions on April 19, 2017, 05:06:45 PM
Well, Christensen is done for the year. Lovely.
Yep posted that in injury. Could result in Barrett returning or dare I say it Harwood as a small forward the role he has been filling in NEAFL and kicking goals.
God damn ::) Poor bugger hopefully he can come back and kill it next year. At his best he's got so much class to add to the Brissy side.
What are Barrett's chance of getting back in side thought his last game stat wise anyway was ok who has to perform to keep him out of team ?
Quote from: shaker on April 22, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
What are Barrett's chance of getting back in side thought his last game stat wise anyway was ok who has to perform to keep him out of team ?
100%. Brisbane will keep losing and hence keep making changes, Barret will keep racking up massive numbers in the NEAFL. Cant deny him for long. They arent GWS :P
Needs to keep performing in NEAFL to keep pressure on.
This year Fagan has something that Leppa did not in that we have a reasonably healthy list and players firing in NEAFL putting pressure on for positions.
If Dawson, Berry, Basti, Keays, Harwood or Cox drop form he may get a call up. Compounding the situation is Matthieson is just about ready to go as well and Paporone has had a game in back as well.
I have Barrett and seriously considering ditching him in the next week or two because of depth. Thought he may have come back as ;ate replacement for Gardiner but Keays used,
Ok cheers he has a good - B/E just wondering how long to keep him ;)
Took a while to calm down after yesterdays insipid performance and our worst of the year.
These comparisons over last weeks and this weeks games explains a lot:
The stats of our "Big Four" (Martin, Rockliff, Beams and Zorko) this week compared to last week makes for sorry reading.
Vs Port Adelaide: 84 disposals (17 clangers), 24 contested possessions, 15 marks, 17 clearances, 11 tackles, 9 inside 50s, 1 goal.
Vs Bulldogs: 116 disposals (17 clangers), 48 contested possessions, 27 marks, 27 clearances, 21 tackles, 15 inside 50s, 3 goals.
Damning Stats from our Senior Players who need to show the example to the younger brigade,
Our tackling really needs to lift as too easily Port Players were breaking them too easily.
Need the whole team to play with the commitment and intensity Robbo and Squizzy did yesterday.
Not too confident in our next two games against teams who are below us on ladder.
don't think those 4 are your issue at all
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 30, 2017, 09:10:12 PM
don't think those 4 are your issue at all
Not the issue KB but they are Leaders and when they are down flows down to others.
Just get a team of Robinsons and you'll be fine haha
Robbo will go to Hanners or JPK this week for sure.
Quote from: LF on April 30, 2017, 09:20:41 PM
Just get a team of Robinsons and you'll be fine haha
Tommy Cutlers*
How did Barrett go on the weekend ? surely he gets a run now McCluggage was very quiet , can't hold Barrett forever may have to unload him in a week or 2
Quote from: shaker on May 01, 2017, 05:08:03 PM
How did Barrett go on the weekend ? surely he gets a run now McCluggage was very quiet , can't hold Barrett forever may have to unload him in a week or 2
Pretty sure they had the bye? :(
NEAFL had a bye shaker so no pressure there. But agree Clug was quiet and he could come in but Basti and Beastmode also had strong games last week. If one of these come in for him this week would definitely unload Barrett. FWIW I also have Barret and been holding him. Paparone also returned in the last game.
Quote from: Ringo on May 01, 2017, 05:15:38 PM
NEAFL had a bye shaker so no pressure there. But agree Clug was quiet and he could come in but Basti and Beastmode also had strong games last week. If one of these come in for him this week would definitely unload Barrett. FWIW I also have Barret and been holding him. Paparone also returned in the last game.
Cheers Ringo
What's the deal with Schache?
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/teams/brisbane/josh-schache-will-tell-brisbane-if-he-will-stay-to-leave-during-the-lions-bye-week/news-story/0d99b3bc7c73b3e8b555aa105010eca8
Wasn't the whole reason they drafted him (and apparently would have taken him over Weits at 1) because he wanted to go to Brisbane?
Yep that was the reason - As we know managers like throwing "smoke screens" for the better of their clients. As I have said before all draftees should be given 3 year contracts initially to really settle into a club. Will alleviate the pressure 19 year old kids are under with their next contracts and form suffers. Hope he stays for the benefit of the club but if he wants to go we can not stop him.
We will continue to be a struggling club if the AFL removes academy and father/son concessions for us with pressure from the Melbourne clubs. To be honest I think us and the Suns should be allowed to have more access to local talent to avoid these go home factors. We lose some talent to southern clubs because we do not have enough points to keep and have to let go.
It is difficult for young talent to come up here where AFL is not in the foreground that they have grown up with. The Clubs social and welfare officers do their best but it is hard. The most successful one Craig Lambert is currently serving a 12 month ban as well.
What does the article say? Can't read it without subscription :(
Copy the full URL into your browser and you should be able to read it.
Basically says lions expect an answer from Schache in 2 weeks during their bye.
Rumour has it that Carlton and Richmond could be the destined clubs so why would he leave a club that will be on the rise for these trash teams ;D ;D
Quote from: Ringo on May 17, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
Rumour has it that Carlton and Richmond could be the destined clubs so why would he leave a club that will be on the rise for these trash teams ;D ;D
Lol Ringo not sure you can reallllyyyyyy say that can you? :-X
Robbo confirmed out for the rest of the season :(
Yeah coming after Bundys out for the season as well. Going to be difficult to win another match this year,
With the season half over thought I would write my opinions on season to date.
We are 1 - 9 and although it does not look good think we have improved on last year. Apart from the Richmond blowout after 5 rounds could have been 4 - 1 after 5 rounds but inexperience and inability to stop a team run the difference. Quite often teams went on a 6 goal plus to 0 run and we were left behind.
Injuries to Bundy and Robbo have really hurt us. Really missing the forward pressure that Bundy exerts although Squizzy is having his best season and taking up the slack there. Nick Robertson is doing well as a lock down player but he is no Robbo.
Time to develop the Hipwood Scache combination up front now that both have signed longer contracts. Would like to see some help for Andrews down back. Gardiner has been serviceable but his discipline at times leaves a lot to be desired. McStay could be an answer but what is his true position.
Rich is probably having a better season than last but would like to see more run from him off HB. and a better disposal. This year a lot of his kicks are either easily picked off or do not find team mate.
Beams, Rocky and Zorko have been outstanding.
Looking at our draftees McLuggage and Berry look like being star of the future, Cox has looked good and Witherden been hampered by injury and Barrett has proved to be a valuable buy. With the resignings of Schache, Hipwood, Beastmode and Cutler and these draftees future bright.
Disappointments have been the middle tier players have not really gone on with it looking at you Harwood, Mayes, Bewick, and Lester (Fagan must see things in him that I do not to have him in leadership group),
Bastinac and Frost looked solid buys based on form but have been an extreme disappointment and should be cut. Jansen another that has not worked out. Jury still out on Tom Bell and Josh Walker,
Think we also need to not play Archie and Stef together as I think it is counter productive. Archie is the better tap and Stef is better around the ground.
Do we wield a big axe this year and trim some of these underperforming mid tier players.
I would cut Bastinac, Frost, Jansen, Walker, Freeman. Would try and trade Harwood and Bewick as there may be some currency there.
Hopefully 2 - 3 wins for the rest of the season starting this Saturday afternoon.
Quote from: Ringo on June 09, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
I would cut Bastinac, Frost, Jansen, Walker, Freeman. Would try and trade Harwood and Bewick as there may be some currency there.
Whatchu talkin bout Willis
Quote from: GoLions on June 10, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 09, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
I would cut Bastinac, Frost, Jansen, Walker, Freeman. Would try and trade Harwood and Bewick as there may be some currency there.
Whatchu talkin bout Willis
Just think we need to cut one of Freeman or Close from our roster to make way for Ballandeen. Freeman has not grasped the chances given to him imo. A lot will depend on re-signimgs though.
Will Archie keep getting games? or does Schace come in for him
That is the $64k question Hawka. Most fans want us to develop the Hipwood Schache partnership. Archie is displaying something but think he needs to really develop more in the NEAFL as we got killed by Ryder on the weekend. Archie will be Stefs replacement but think he needs to bide his time in NEAFL as 2 rucks in Seniors is not working.
Schache in for Archie for suuuuure
any word on Rocky playing?
He has trained this week so no reason to suggest not,
I know we had a great 2nd half of the season...
But that was flowering woeful. Disappointing way to end the season.
Agree 100% but umpiring did not help either.
Witherden the bright star in the rubble and probably be a short priced risiung star nomination.
Quote from: Ringo on August 26, 2017, 07:09:57 PM
Agree 100% but umpiring did not help either.
Witherden the bright star in the rubble and probably be a short priced risiung star nomination.
McStay and Claye Beams also impressed i thought. Clugg as well.
Rich has probably had his best season since his debut year, if not better.
Quote from: GoLions on August 26, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: Ringo on August 26, 2017, 07:09:57 PM
Agree 100% but umpiring did not help either.
Witherden the bright star in the rubble and probably be a short priced risiung star nomination.
McStay and Claye Beams also impressed i thought. Clugg as well.
Rich has probably had his best season since his debut year, if not better.
Agree - Josh Walker probably as well - Did a lot of good things.
A lot of Talk on Lions Talk whether we should trade Pick1.
Dayne Beams and @rockwiz38 to head in for shoulder surgery next week. The pair battled on in discomfort for a good chunk of the year.
Come back strong hopefully.
Ok looking at list who should we cut:
Thinking Frost, Jansen, Bell, Clayton and question marks on Harwood and Freeman.
From the Rookie list promote McInerney he will be a star has played back, forward and ruck in NEAFL and needs to get signed quick
William and Grewar may be on shaky ground as is Reuben William. Hinge and Hammelman worth a second chance.
Quote from: Ringo on August 26, 2017, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: GoLions on August 26, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: Ringo on August 26, 2017, 07:09:57 PM
Agree 100% but umpiring did not help either.
Witherden the bright star in the rubble and probably be a short priced risiung star nomination.
McStay and Claye Beams also impressed i thought. Clugg as well.
Rich has probably had his best season since his debut year, if not better.
Agree - Josh Walker probably as well - Did a lot of good things.
A lot of Talk on Lions Talk whether we should trade Pick1.
Yeah Walker another who went really well today i thought.
If the right player is available then I'm fine with us trading pick 1.
Fags said you guys will be drafting a mid with pick 1.
Quote from: meow meow on August 27, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Fags said you guys will be drafting a mid with pick 1.
Yep a hybrid Mid - So come on down Paddy Dow.
Read that apparently Stef wants to come back to VIC
His partner works in the entertainment industry and she wants to move back
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 30, 2017, 02:09:12 PM
Read that apparently Stef wants to come back to VIC
His partner works in the entertainment industry and she wants to move back
Who would want him?
None of the Vic teams are really screaming for a ruckman, maybe Bombers or Dogs, but Stef isn't getting any younger, will be 31 in November
Quote from: Gigantor on August 30, 2017, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 30, 2017, 02:09:12 PM
Read that apparently Stef wants to come back to VIC
His partner works in the entertainment industry and she wants to move back
Who would want him?
None of the Vic teams are really screaming for a ruckman, maybe Bombers or Dogs, but Stef isn't getting any younger, will be 31 in November
2 year deal would work
Geelong have a bunch of hacks rotating through their rucks. Well Smith has actually been pretty handy
Geelong, Essendon, WB would be the 3 that come to mind
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 30, 2017, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on August 30, 2017, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 30, 2017, 02:09:12 PM
Read that apparently Stef wants to come back to VIC
His partner works in the entertainment industry and she wants to move back
Who would want him?
None of the Vic teams are really screaming for a ruckman, maybe Bombers or Dogs, but Stef isn't getting any younger, will be 31 in November
2 year deal would work
Geelong have a bunch of hacks rotating through their rucks. Well Smith has actually been pretty handy
Geelong, Essendon, WB would be the 3 that come to mind
Smith a hack? Verrrrry stiff haha
I clearly said he has been good :o
The rest are hacks
Isn't this the exact same thing that came up last year?
Yep came out last year and from Memory it was Brian Waldron who raised it last year as well.
Maybe some fire in it this time given we are being associated with Mason Cox. Not sure whether want him as we are would be better suited continuing to develop Archie Smith and McInerney, Eagles has show a bit as well in the last 3 NEAFL games.
Main interest though is when will Rocky sign. As a restricted free agent are we letting him test and then will match.
Not really sure whether we need Charlie Cameron either especially if it means giving up Pick 18.
Zorko takes out the B&F for 2017.
ZZZZZZZZZZORKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Top 10 in Brisbanes B & F
Dayne Zorko 277
Dayne Beams 224
Tom Rockliff 214
Stefan Martin 202
Sam Mayes 200
Daniel Rich 199
Lewis Taylor 197
Harris Andrews 180
Ryan Lester 177
Darcy Gardiner & Eric Hipwood 143
Other Awards for theNight
Rookie of the Year - Eric Hipwood
Most Professional Player of the Year - Harris Andrews
Trademark Player of the Year - Nick Robertson (What a turnaround from him)
Players Player of the Year - Tom Rockliff
Club Player of the Year - Dayne Zorko
NEAFL Player of the Year - Oscar McInerney. Surely now deserves promotion from the Rookie List.
Congratulations to all winners and looking forward to bright 2018
Quote from: Ringo on September 02, 2017, 10:29:34 AM
NEAFL Player of the Year - Oscar McInerney. Surely now deserves promotion from the Rookie List.
Doesn't this mean he's going to get delisted?
So, what's the go with Marco Pierre Paparone? Fallen out of favour a bit it seems. Do you see him being able to get back into the side or have too many others passed him?
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 05, 2017, 06:09:15 PM
So, what's the go with Marco Pierre Paparone? Fallen out of favour a bit it seems. Do you see him being able to get back into the side or have too many others passed him?
Definitely on the outer atm. A lot of our young kids have really stepped up this year, putting a lot of pressure on some guys who were previously in our 22, such as Paparone, Bewick, and even Cutler now. Without any injuries, I struggle to see him making the team again.
Paporone had an injury and now has to fight to get his place back.
Witherden, Cox now appear to have passed him. Robertson with his improved form also now will be ahead in pecking order. Not forgetting McStay as well.
Great to see we finally have some depth.
So you guys think it's the same with Cutler? Currently on the outer and needs to force his way back in?
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 05, 2017, 06:46:49 PM
So you guys think it's the same with Cutler? Currently on the outer and needs to force his way back in?
Cutler can also go forward (and did this year with some success), so i still see him getting games. But WitherGOAT has overtaken him for the time being in defence.
THE BRISBANE Lions have delisted five players, including experienced defender Ryan Harwood and key forward Jono Freeman.
Midfielder Jarrad Jansen, utility Josh Clayton and rookie Blake Grewar have also been told by the Lions their contracts would not be renewed.
Was just about to post RD - Grewar the surprise but just wondering who would have replaced him. He has a bit of speed and kicked 2 goals in the NEAFL Grand Final including a clutch one in 4th quarter,
Not sure who else would have replaced him though - Frost and Bell maybe but paying out 2 years of contrcat probably not an option,
May be a few more as well before final lists as well.
Harwood, Jansen & Clayton all surprise me as an outsider, Brissy must have a plethora of talent coming through!
Suuuuuurely Grewar gets another shot somewhere
Just remember under AFL rules you have to de-list minimum 5 players.
Grewar has been on the rookie list for 2 years so he had to be promoted or de-listed. He is a Qld boy so we may again rookie list him. If not more than likely will go back to Redland Bombers in NEAFL unless picked up by another club.
Torp Harwood has gone done the pecking order with the likes of Witherden, Cox, McStay Gardiner and co passing him. Claye Beams is also probably in front of him. Also the luckless Sam Skinner was to be given chance as well. Jansen and Clayton victims of the number of identical type mids whop have passed them - Keays, Beastmode, Barrett, McLuggage to name a few,
I cringe every time I read/hear "Beastmode"
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2017-09-14/four-coaches-locked-in-
Great with 4 coaches now contracted for a further 2 years. Stability in coaching ranks should help the development as well.
Let's hope Lions make at least 12th in 2018
Heading to the game tomorrow. Can't wait to see Hodgey running out in our colours.
Everyone seems to have written us off, anyone think we're a genuine chance to get the win?
Quote from: BB67th on March 23, 2018, 09:40:46 PM
Heading to the game tomorrow. Can't wait to see Hodgey running out in our colours.
Everyone seems to have written us off, anyone think we're a genuine chance to get the win?
Slim chance i reckon. Going to see the women as well mate?
Quote from: GoLions on March 23, 2018, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: BB67th on March 23, 2018, 09:40:46 PM
Heading to the game tomorrow. Can't wait to see Hodgey running out in our colours.
Everyone seems to have written us off, anyone think we're a genuine chance to get the win?
Slim chance i reckon. Going to see the women as well mate?
Probably won't get the chance to unfortunately. It would certainly be a good day if we could get two wins though!
Well the end result was pretty much what I was expecting going into the game. Here's a few thoughts from what I saw
- Main issues were the same as last year - falling away in red time at the end of quarter and in Q4. Also overusing the handball in defence and making some horrible decisions around half forward and being burnt on the turnover.
- Zorko had an absolute shocker, worst game I've ever seen him play, looked really slow out there more than anything
- Cameron was electric up forward, spent time at FF and performed strongly. As did Hodge, fantastic pickup in the backline
- I tried to find some positive way to describe Tom Bell seeing as I've been on him for my SC all off-season, but he was woeful, no other way to put it
- Robertson put in a fantastic game with his ball use, seemed to be playing more of an offensive game rather than minding Steven too closely
- Berry played his best game for the club, loved what I saw from him in the middle
Overall there were a lot of positive signs. Clearly there are key areas that we still need to work on.
And Jack Billings is a star, BOG for me.
Quote from: BB67th on March 24, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
Well the end result was pretty much what I was expecting going into the game. Here's a few thoughts from what I saw
- Main issues were the same as last year - falling away in red time at the end of quarter and in Q4. Also overusing the handball in defence and making some horrible decisions around half forward and being burnt on the turnover.
- Zorko had an absolute shocker, worst game I've ever seen him play, looked really slow out there more than anything
- Cameron was electric up forward, spent time at FF and performed strongly. As did Hodge, fantastic pickup in the backline
- I tried to find some positive way to describe Tom Bell seeing as I've been on him for my SC all off-season, but he was woeful, no other way to put it
- Robertson put in a fantastic game with his ball use, seemed to be playing more of an offensive game rather than minding Steven too closely
- Berry played his best game for the club, loved what I saw from him in the middle
Overall there were a lot of positive signs. Clearly there are key areas that we still need to work on.
And Jack Billings is a star, BOG for me.
+1 to all that.
Hodge was great down back also.
What are some thoughts on our forward structure at the moment?
The way that Cameron has been playing I'd be tempted to just have the one tall up there in Hipwood at CHF with Charlie at FF and the rest of the mediums/smalls playing around them.
Walker can go back to defence and give Stef a chop out in the ruck when needed.
More of a pressure forward line like the Tigers might work better with our tall targets not providing much at all.
Quote from: BB67th on April 03, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
What are some thoughts on our forward structure at the moment?
The way that Cameron has been playing I'd be tempted to just have the one tall up there in Hipwood at CHF with Charlie at FF and the rest of the mediums/smalls playing around them.
Walker can go back to defence and give Stef a chop out in the ruck when needed.
More of a pressure forward line like the Tigers might work better with our tall targets not providing much at all.
Yeah I don't mind it tbh. Really wanna see Cutler come in though.
Quote from: GoLions on April 04, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 03, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
What are some thoughts on our forward structure at the moment?
The way that Cameron has been playing I'd be tempted to just have the one tall up there in Hipwood at CHF with Charlie at FF and the rest of the mediums/smalls playing around them.
Walker can go back to defence and give Stef a chop out in the ruck when needed.
More of a pressure forward line like the Tigers might work better with our tall targets not providing much at all.
Yeah I don't mind it tbh. Really wanna see Cutler come in though.
Well with McStay dropped for Robinson I might have gotten my wish! Hipwood the only tall named in the forward line, and just the 3 tall backs which you'd expect to stay there to deal with Port.
No Cutler for you GL, I agree I'd like to see him come back into the side. Not quite sure who he pushes out at the moment though.
Not holding a lot of hope for us this weekend. I'd take a loss under 10 goals tbh
Quote from: BB67th on April 06, 2018, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: GoLions on April 04, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 03, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
What are some thoughts on our forward structure at the moment?
The way that Cameron has been playing I'd be tempted to just have the one tall up there in Hipwood at CHF with Charlie at FF and the rest of the mediums/smalls playing around them.
Walker can go back to defence and give Stef a chop out in the ruck when needed.
More of a pressure forward line like the Tigers might work better with our tall targets not providing much at all.
Yeah I don't mind it tbh. Really wanna see Cutler come in though.
Well with McStay dropped for Robinson I might have gotten my wish! Hipwood the only tall named in the forward line, and just the 3 tall backs which you'd expect to stay there to deal with Port.
No Cutler for you GL, I agree I'd like to see him come back into the side. Not quite sure who he pushes out at the moment though.
Not holding a lot of hope for us this weekend. I'd take a loss under 10 goals tbh
Bewick out for Cutler I reckon.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 06, 2018, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 06, 2018, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: GoLions on April 04, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 03, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
What are some thoughts on our forward structure at the moment?
The way that Cameron has been playing I'd be tempted to just have the one tall up there in Hipwood at CHF with Charlie at FF and the rest of the mediums/smalls playing around them.
Walker can go back to defence and give Stef a chop out in the ruck when needed.
More of a pressure forward line like the Tigers might work better with our tall targets not providing much at all.
Yeah I don't mind it tbh. Really wanna see Cutler come in though.
Well with McStay dropped for Robinson I might have gotten my wish! Hipwood the only tall named in the forward line, and just the 3 tall backs which you'd expect to stay there to deal with Port.
No Cutler for you GL, I agree I'd like to see him come back into the side. Not quite sure who he pushes out at the moment though.
Not holding a lot of hope for us this weekend. I'd take a loss under 10 goals tbh
Bewick out for Cutler I reckon.
^
Bewick for Cutler - Do not want to be mercenary but hope he does a a hammy on the warm up as Cuts is not named in the NEAFL and would be the travelling emergency. We usually take 2 so not sure who the other would be as the other 3 all named in NEAFL.
Anyone know whats up with Bastinac? Would of thought he'd be close to being in our best 22, hasn't gotten near the side yet this year.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 12, 2018, 09:11:18 PM
Anyone know whats up with Bastinac? Would of thought he'd be close to being in our best 22, hasn't gotten near the side yet this year.
Yeah idk, thought he'd play most games this year.
Glad Cutler has stayed in the side though, and Bailey is making his debut!
Basti was not impressive in the NEAFL on the weekend either, Keays may have gone past him as well now.
Think Cox was a bit stiff to be dropped did a lot of good things in first 2 rounds but couple of costly errors.
Lester was due to be dropped but being a Coaches pet thought he may have been safe.
Quote from: GoLions on April 12, 2018, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on April 12, 2018, 09:11:18 PM
Anyone know whats up with Bastinac? Would of thought he'd be close to being in our best 22, hasn't gotten near the side yet this year.
Yeah idk, thought he'd play most games this year.
Glad Cutler has stayed in the side though, and Bailey is making his debut!
Yeah Cutler definitely deserves his spot. Is gunna be great to see how Bailey goes, we took him ahead of Higgins so hoping he goes alright. I'll be at the game, will be keeping my eye out for him for sure.
Quote from: Ringo on April 12, 2018, 09:41:25 PM
Basti was not impressive in the NEAFL on the weekend either, Keays may have gone past him as well now.
Think Cox was a bit stiff to be dropped did a lot of good things in first 2 rounds but couple of costly errors.
Lester was due to be dropped but being a Coaches pet thought he may have been safe.
Concerned if Keays is ahead of him, that would put him pretty far back in the pecking order. Really rate Bastinac, seems a good user of the ball but maybe a tad slow if anything - might be that Fagan is opting for a faster lineup.
Tbf Keays is a jet
:-X
Sadly I went to the match yesterday.
Without a doubt the worst effort I have ever seen a football team put up on game day.
Quote from: BB67th on April 15, 2018, 11:35:04 AM
Sadly I went to the match yesterday.
Without a doubt the worst effort I have ever seen a football team put up on game day.
Yep. I was there too. Front row seats to a training drill :-\
I was on level 4 right behind the goals at the city end. It got to the point where me and my mates started wanting the Lions to kick goals (partially because my mate got on Tiges between 1-39 because of the weather) and getting upset at all the questionable frees we received and the ones you boys didn't get. Even as a Tiges fan, it was hard to get into it and be excited (apart from watching Dusty's clinic).
Have to remember we were playing last years premiers and the difference in class showed. I gave up counting at 10:7 from turnovers. We really have to work on that. Some of the Senior players were main offendersm
Being Harsh her but a couple of observations:
Lewis Taylor has to go back to NEAFL and learn to kick a ball 15 metres to a target. Twice yetserday jis short kicks were direct to Tigers.
Sam Mayes if he is not dropped this week then do not know what I will do. If he isn't he must have something on the coaches. Yesterdays efforts were not even NEAFL Standard.
Rohan Bewick is far to slow and needs probably to go back to NEAFL as well.
Harris Andrews is down on confidence and probably needs a stint as well to restore.
Beams in the last 2 games has started well and then faded. maybe we need to give him so more time to grieve his father if this is contributing.
Zorko needs to curb his agression at times
Umpiring was atrocious including the video review as I still have not seen evidence that Camerons kick touched the post but that started the day of losing 50/50 decisions.
However there were some good signs.
Our continuing improvement in clearances which we won and contested possessions which we won in the second half.
Rayner probably playd his best game for the Lions. McCluggage continues to improve and Bailey did not look out of place in his first match. If we had a team of Mitch Roobo and Nick Robertson who do not take a backward step we would be much closer.
Matthieson also showing good signs.
Berry after a good 2 weeks looked a little lost yesterday.
I am old enough to remember finishing last in 1998 and winning premiership 3 years later with Matthews in charge, Think with Fagan in charge we can get there again. Need to show a lot in Qclash next Sunday.
Witherden is an absolute jet.
Will be AA within a few years.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 24, 2018, 04:39:14 PM
Witherden is an absolute jet.
Will be AA within a few years.
Yep and the way he recovered from Lonergans low blow further testament to his courage. Surprised the MRP one man ban classed as misconduct rather than striking which it was.
YEAH BOYS
:D
What a win. Reckon we're going to be pretty hard to beat at the Gabba all year.
For those that missed the Team song Apparently Channel 7 left before showing it.
http://www.lions.com.au/
Click on team song close to more players in the circle than out but sung with gusto as you would expect.
Playing exciting footy and apart from first 10 minutes were on Top of Hawks.
Really hope Eleni Glouftsis gets a decent run at umpiring as in my opinion she was the best of the three umpres out there today. Curtis deBoy No 11 had a shocker with some of his decisions with 3 leading to Hawks Goals.
Was great to be at the game and see Hawthorn lose.
Hipwood back to really good form. McCluggage looked at home in the midfield today. I quite enjoyed the team defensive work put into Sicily which was smart coaching. Good signs IMO from Rayner, Eagles and McInerney.
A lot of good signs for your boys.
Maybe Witherden is due a spell in the NEAFL. For a guy as talented a kick as he is he can butcher quite a number of those kicks from D50.
Quote from: AaronKirk on May 20, 2018, 09:06:17 PM
Was great to be at the game and see Hawthorn lose.
Hipwood back to really good form. McCluggage looked at home in the midfield today. I quite enjoyed the team defensive work put into Sicily which was smart coaching. Good signs IMO from Rayner, Eagles and McInerney.
A lot of good signs for your boys.
Maybe Witherden is due a spell in the NEAFL. For a guy as talented a kick as he is he can butcher quite a number of those kicks from D50.
Don't know about Witherden going back to the 2's after a rising star nomination! Definitely his disposal has let him down at times over the last few games, but thoroughly deserving. Surely he marches on to the rising star award from here.
Whoever voted on the rising star this week obviously did not go to the game (like I did). Rayner was clearly better than Witherden who I thought didn't play that well.
Agree AK - Thought Rayner had the better game of the 2 as well from being at the ground. The Clug though was clearly best on ground for me.
Beams stepping down as captain :(
Sounds like he’s really struggling at the moment. Hope the club is supporting him enough.
Club will be supporting him and hearing his presser he is really struggling to play football so all the best for him.
Here is his interview and statements.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2018-05-23/beams-steps-down?camefrom=EMCL_2290232_99535366
Really impressed by it and the encouragement for guys to reach out.
Zorko a good choice to take over but just hope he does not have any more brain farts and cops more fines or suspensions. The Logical choice in my opinion as Robbo is more hot headed but a real leader and Stef would only be there for a year due to age.
Would like to see a clean out of the Leadership group at seasons end and maybe bring in more youngsters like Bags, Witho and Berry who are the future of the club.
In saying concern with Zorkos brain pharts can remember similar thought when Brownie too over as well and you know how that worked out.
Beams and Hodge will still be around giving guidance as well.
Quote from: Ringo on May 23, 2018, 04:13:34 PM
Really impressed by it and the encouragement for guys to reach out.
Agreed.
Also great to see he still wants to play despite all that's going on. Wish him all the best.
Quote from: SilverLion on May 25, 2018, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 23, 2018, 04:13:34 PM
Really impressed by it and the encouragement for guys to reach out.
Agreed.
Also great to see he still wants to play despite all that's going on. Wish him all the best.
Takes a lot to admit you are seeing a counsellor as well, Great example to us all. Will be able to concentrate on footy without the off field distractions a captain has and wish him all the well.
Quote from: Ringo on May 25, 2018, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on May 25, 2018, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 23, 2018, 04:13:34 PM
Really impressed by it and the encouragement for guys to reach out.
Agreed.
Also great to see he still wants to play despite all that's going on. Wish him all the best.
Takes a lot to admit you are seeing a counsellor as well, Great example to us all. Will be able to concentrate on footy without the off field distractions a captain has and wish him all the well.
Yes a good move to many things on ones mind in tough times could really go pear shaped , this will benefit him greatly and also good for Zorko all very well handled.
Quote from: SilverLion on May 25, 2018, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: Ringo on May 23, 2018, 04:13:34 PM
Really impressed by it and the encouragement for guys to reach out.
Agreed.
Also agreed. A great sign of maturity. No doubt the start of this season would have been tough for him
Tom Browne
@TomBrowne7
As I reported on talking footy, and I stress Brisbane and his management are working closely with Dayne - he’s been very brave. But I believe he’ll seek a trade back to victoria. There is every chance Collingwood and Essendon will look at him - if appropriate at the right time
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 12, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
Tom Browne
@TomBrowne7
As I reported on talking footy, and I stress Brisbane and his management are working closely with Dayne - he’s been very brave. But I believe he’ll seek a trade back to victoria. There is every chance Collingwood and Essendon will look at him - if appropriate at the right time
Pretty sure his thought behind this is "oh his father passed away so he doesn't want to be in qld anymore"
Dayne and his wife are happy up north and baby #2 is on the way. I could speak to his wife's sister to confirm, but she's kind of a dog :p
Imagine Beams back at the pies!!!!
To be honest would not surprise me if Beams called time on his career. He is having difficulty getting motivated each week to play footy given the influence his father had on him and coming to every game. Unless the counselling he is receiving breaks through this barrier than I can see this happening.
Trade back to Victoria would be the last thing he would be considering at the moment,
If you can believe the Melbourne Journalists over the years and the number of players they said will go to Victorian clubs from the other states their strike rate is not the best.
Quote from: GoLions on June 12, 2018, 11:03:16 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 12, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
Tom Browne
@TomBrowne7
As I reported on talking footy, and I stress Brisbane and his management are working closely with Dayne - he’s been very brave. But I believe he’ll seek a trade back to victoria. There is every chance Collingwood and Essendon will look at him - if appropriate at the right time
Pretty sure his thought behind this is "oh his father passed away so he doesn't want to be in qld anymore"
Dayne and his wife are happy up north and baby #2 is on the way. I could speak to his wife's sister to confirm, but she's kind of a dog :p
Hows the name drop though! GL with the connections
Brisbane came out yesterday and ruled this out - Dayne himself said it's BS basically
Tom Browne looking like a fair flog atm
Pretty ridiculous that these media types can go with shower like this without getting penalised etc
Quote from: elephants on June 14, 2018, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: GoLions on June 12, 2018, 11:03:16 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 12, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
Tom Browne
@TomBrowne7
As I reported on talking footy, and I stress Brisbane and his management are working closely with Dayne - he’s been very brave. But I believe he’ll seek a trade back to victoria. There is every chance Collingwood and Essendon will look at him - if appropriate at the right time
Pretty sure his thought behind this is "oh his father passed away so he doesn't want to be in qld anymore"
Dayne and his wife are happy up north and baby #2 is on the way. I could speak to his wife's sister to confirm, but she's kind of a dog :p
Hows the name drop though! GL with the connections
You don't know how many sisters she has... maybe :p
Rayner and Berry <3
Have we turned the corner and finally starting to see this team gel.
The first quarter win was the first one we have won this year and this was the focus to start well.
Berry in my opinion was outpointing Fyfe before his injury and maintained pace with Neale when moved onto him. Great for his education. Maybe play him on Murphy or Cripps this week.
McLuggage, Berry, Rayner, Cutler and McStay undoubtedly their best games of the season.
Think the mix of Walker back and McStay forward is definitely the right way to go. Both looked comfortable in their roles.
The Big O getting better with each game as well.
Great to see with a below par performances from Zorko and Rich others stepped up.
All this will fail to insignificance if we can not keep it going against Carlton this Saturday.
Like the excitement a midfield of Berry, McLuggage, Rayner for the future and if the beast can find some form as well.
Finals 2021 is my estimation as bodies are still a little week and most of these young players will be entering their prime.
I think the AAA on afl.com.au summed up Fagan's playstyle quite well in saying that they aren't playing games 'safe' to try and mitigate the damage of a huge defeat. It just means you either compete well or get smashed but they learn better and quicker.
I expect at least one more win from the Lions this year, maybe more.
3 in a row 8)
#back2back2back
Confirmed, Hawthorn is now Brisbanes whipping boy
and now to dent Crows next week. Not many 16th placed teams would have a % of 91.7.
Our draw is Crows (H) Cats (A) Roos (H), Pies (a) West Coast (H). Would love nothing better than 3 wins and denting some more Top 4/8 ambitions.
Yeah 3 weeks ago I was locking in that rd23 clash as a win for WC, not so confident now haha
Quote from: Ringo on July 14, 2018, 06:39:17 PM
and now to dent Crows next week. Not many 16th placed teams would have a % of 91.7.
Our draw is Crows (H) Cats (A) Roos (H), Pies (a) West Coast (H). Would love nothing better than 3 wins and denting some more Top 4/8 ambitions.
Got Gold Coast in there as well, still a chance at another couple of wins.
Brisbane form team of the comp, who woulda thunk it!
2 weeks for cutler seems a little harsh
Quote from: nrich102 on July 23, 2018, 06:20:46 PM
2 weeks for cutler seems a little harsh
To be honest expected Cutler to get 2+ weeks as it looked very clumsy whilst at the ground and seeing it again on replay eyes did lower and was a coat hangar action. Happy with 2 weeks based on observations.
Was at the game last night, was a good effort by the boys, the usual 5-10 minute lapse where they got a few quick goals was the difference (seems to be a pattern?).
I know as a Lions supporter I'll tend to be a bit bias, but am curious to others thoughts on the umpiring last night, the final free kick count was 22-14, and that was with a few soft frees to us at the end which flatters the count a bit tbh.
Was the umpiring shower last night?
Quote from: SilverLion on August 12, 2018, 11:49:16 AM
Was at the game last night, was a good effort by the boys, the usual 5-10 minute lapse where they got a few quick goals was the difference (seems to be a pattern?).
I know as a Lions supporter I'll tend to be a bit bias, but am curious to others thoughts on the umpiring last night, the final free kick count was 22-14, and that was with a few soft frees to us at the end which flatters the count a bit tbh.
Was the umpiring shower last night?
Always been biased but if in my opinion if Pies were on the receiving end of the umpiring that was dished to us last night Eddie would be at AFL headquarters demanding answers,
Inside 50 frees favoured Pies 8 - 3 - They received 3 gift goals for 50 metre penalties 2 of which were very soft.
Grundy continued to scrag with Stef all night but umpires could only find 2 against Stef (including one in the goal square) and 1 against Big O with none against Brodie who seems to be a protected species this game.
At one stage the free kick count was 18 - 7 before the late evening up started,
So the inconsistency was there for all to see last night and how 3 umpires missed Zorkos mark in the first quarter is beyond me.
So in summary one of the worst umpiring displays I have seen and Lions boards were going off on social media.
Talk in the media today that we're interested in trying to lure Lachie Neale north for pick 4.
That's definitely a deal I'd take. He'd look nice in a midfield alongside Beams, Zorko, Berry and McCluggage.
I would to - Starts to fill the gaps between the 22/23 yo and 26/27yo due to the go home factor. Ideal replacement for Zorko/Beams.
Remember also Cameron to come back in and Bailey showing plenty of promise. Future looks good.
Neale for 4 would be big only concern to ensure we have sufficient points to get academy players and father/son.
Quote from: Ringo on August 30, 2018, 09:05:38 PM
I would to - Starts to fill the gaps between the 22/23 yo and 26/27yo due to the go home factor. Ideal replacement for Zorko/Beams.
Remember also Cameron to come back in and Bailey showing plenty of promise. Future looks good.
Neale for 4 would be big only concern to ensure we have sufficient points to get academy players and father/son.
I haven't kept much of a tab on academy and father/son prospects this year. Do we have many we're targeting in the upcoming draft?
Also good to see Andrews, Witherden and Hipwood named in the 22under22 today. Would have thought McCluggage might make the team too though.
Jeez, I'd be a keen watcher of how Brisbane go next year if they got Neale. I like what Fagan is doing, Jimmy Bartel earlier in the year that the game style he's instilling starts with risk but reaps quicker rewards.
Quote from: BB67th on August 30, 2018, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: Ringo on August 30, 2018, 09:05:38 PM
I would to - Starts to fill the gaps between the 22/23 yo and 26/27yo due to the go home factor. Ideal replacement for Zorko/Beams.
Remember also Cameron to come back in and Bailey showing plenty of promise. Future looks good.
Neale for 4 would be big only concern to ensure we have sufficient points to get academy players and father/son.
I haven't kept much of a tab on academy and father/son prospects this year. Do we have many we're targeting in the upcoming draft?
Also good to see Andrews, Witherden and Hipwood named in the 22under22 today. Would have thought McCluggage might make the team too though.
Connor McFadyen from Academy come to notice in the u18 and predicted any where 10 - 30 at the moment, and Father son Casey Voss. Jake Bradshaw and James Rendell all could be rookie selections if it falls ok.
Just seen Beams’ speech at the B&F.
How can you not love the guy.
Champion on every level.
Quote from: enzedder on September 02, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
Just seen Beams’ speech at the B&F.
How can you not love the guy.
Champion on every level.
Yep, absolute top bloke. Really hope he doesn’t leave
Quote from: nrich102 on September 02, 2018, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: enzedder on September 02, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
Just seen Beams’ speech at the B&F.
How can you not love the guy.
Champion on every level.
Yep, absolute top bloke. Really hope he doesn’t leave
With a speech like he gave last night will be very upsetting if he did leave.
And for information final votes
Dayne Zorko - 250 votes
Dayne Beams - 249 votes
Stef Martin - 242 votes
Darcy Gardiner - 228 votes
Harris Andrews - 208 votes
Jarrod Berry - 205 votes
Hugh McCluggage - 200 votes
Luke Hodge - 185 votes
Nick Robertson - 172 votes
Alex Witherden - 170 votes
Those top 3 so close. Gardiner, Andrews and Cameron unlucky due to injury. Beams had a slow start but came home strong. Was not even in Top 10 after Rd 9.
For those unaware players are awarded points by coaches for how they play according to team rules and 24 votes is the maximum a player can get.
Beams so stiff imo
Quote from: elephants on September 02, 2018, 07:54:46 PM
Beams so stiff imo
Fair comment but he did win the members player of the year,
http://m.lions.com.au/news/2018-09-06/lions-delist-five (http://m.lions.com.au/news/2018-09-06/lions-delist-five)
Good decisions here I think. Feel a little sorry for Beams and Barrett, but good to finally see the back of Bewick.
Yep Barret a bit unlucky in my view.
None of the 5 would have any currency though to hold to add to Neale trade.
Now to resign Robbo, Lester and Walker,
Pretty happy with the list changes, none of those players really looked like contributing much into the future.
Good sign that they were more experienced players than your typical round of de-listings as well. Shows that the youth we are getting through is doing a quality job.
Quote from: BB67th on September 06, 2018, 10:17:17 PM
Pretty happy with the list changes, none of those players really looked like contributing much into the future.
Good sign that they were more experienced players than your typical round of de-listings as well. Shows that the youth we are getting through is doing a quality job.
I was thinking that as well. Good sign for the Lions future, that they don't need to hang onto those mid-range players anymore who probably haven't got much/any improvement left in them.
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 07, 2018, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: BB67th on September 06, 2018, 10:17:17 PM
Pretty happy with the list changes, none of those players really looked like contributing much into the future.
Good sign that they were more experienced players than your typical round of de-listings as well. Shows that the youth we are getting through is doing a quality job.
I was thinking that as well. Good sign for the Lions future, that they don't need to hang onto those mid-range players anymore who probably haven't got much/any improvement left in them.
We tried to fill a gap left by players leaving but this did not work with these fringe players. So now that we have talent coming through looking to target top notch players in the 24 - 28 players if available and want to come to Brisbane. Still think we need a key forward as Hipwood continues to develop and Woller and Ballandeen also develop.
Quote from: BB67th on September 06, 2018, 10:17:17 PM
Pretty happy with the list changes, none of those players really looked like contributing much into the future.
Good sign that they were more experienced players than your typical round of de-listings as well. Shows that the youth we are getting through is doing a quality job.
Yeah at first i was a bit disappointed that Barrett and Claye were delisted, but as you said, a good sign of how our list looks now in comparison to say 5 years ago
Thought Barrett was a bit stiff imo.
After Adams has made clear he also wants to come to Brisbane how do we fit him in this trade period given it is obvious that Pick 4 will not get Neale done who should be the priority.
Pick 22 is probably overs and pick 40 unders so maybe a player who may want to return to Melbourne. Also could be picks we pick up for trading Mayes and possibly Keays.
If we get Neale, Adams and Cameron returning who goes out of the 22.
Neale for Lester.
Adams for Walker - (Would move Walker forward as second tall to support Hippy as I believe he is the better mark and kick than McStay pr McInerney).
Cameron maybe for Starcevich or Beastmode. Even Bundy who was a little disappointing this year.
Putting together a best 22 after trade and drafts will not be easy and good position for club to be in with competition for spots.
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 10:07:01 AM
After Adams has made clear he also wants to come to Brisbane how do we fit him in this trade period given it is obvious that Pick 4 will not get Neale done who should be the priority.
Pick 22 is probably overs and pick 40 unders so maybe a player who may want to return to Melbourne. Also could be picks we pick up for trading Mayes and possibly Keays.
If we get Neale, Adams and Cameron returning who goes out of the 22.
Neale for Lester.
Adams for Walker - (Would move Walker forward as second tall to support Hippy as I believe he is the better mark and kick than McStay pr McInerney).
Cameron maybe for Starcevich or Beastmode. Even Bundy who was a little disappointing this year.
Putting together a best 22 after trade and drafts will not be easy and good position for club to be in with competition for spots.
Ignoring compo picks in the draft order:
Pick 4 + Future 2nd <--> Neale
40 + 60 <--> McCarthy + 54 + 57 OR 40 <--> McCarthy + 47
Mayes + 54 <--> 45 + 46 (Port)
Adams + 42 <--> 22
Leaves us with the following picks:
42, 45, 46, 47, 60 OR 42, 45, 46, 54, 57
Which either way should be enough points for Macfayden and possibly Coleman.
Just my hypothetical though ;D
McStay would probably go forward at a guess, Walker was too good down back in the second half of the year to move him.
Possible best 22 (If above trades or similar get done):
FB: Hodge, Adams, Gardiner
HB: Witherden, Andrews, Rich
C: Cutler, Beams, Zorko
HF: Cameron, Hipwood, Taylor
FF: McCarthy, McStay, Rayner
FOLL: Martin, Neale, Robinson
Int: McCluggage, Berry, Walker, Christensen
Fringe: Bailey, Mathieson, Allison, Lester, Bastinac, Robertson etc.
In: Adams, Neale, McCarthy
Out: Robertson, Lester, McInerney
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 10:07:01 AM
After Adams has made clear he also wants to come to Brisbane how do we fit him in this trade period given it is obvious that Pick 4 will not get Neale done who should be the priority.
Pick 22 is probably overs and pick 40 unders so maybe a player who may want to return to Melbourne. Also could be picks we pick up for trading Mayes and possibly Keays.
If we get Neale, Adams and Cameron returning who goes out of the 22.
Neale for Lester.
Adams for Walker - (Would move Walker forward as second tall to support Hippy as I believe he is the better mark and kick than McStay pr McInerney).
Cameron maybe for Starcevich or Beastmode. Even Bundy who was a little disappointing this year.
Putting together a best 22 after trade and drafts will not be easy and good position for club to be in with competition for spots.
Ignoring compo picks in the draft order:
Pick 4 + Future 2nd <--> Neale
40 + 60 <--> McCarthy + 54 + 57 OR 40 <--> McCarthy + 47
Mayes + 54 <--> 45 + 46 (Port)
Adams + 42 <--> 22
Leaves us with the following picks:
42, 45, 46, 47, 60 OR 42, 45, 46, 54, 57
Which either way should be enough points for Macfayden and possibly Coleman.
Just my hypothetical though ;D
McStay would probably go forward at a guess, Walker was too good down back in the second half of the year to move him.
Possible best 22 (If above trades or similar get done):
FB: Hodge, Adams, Gardiner
HB: Witherden, Andrews, Rich
C: Cutler, Beams, Zorko
HF: Cameron, Hipwood, Taylor
FF: McCarthy, McStay, Rayner
FOLL: Martin, Neale, Robinson
Int: McCluggage, Berry, Walker, Christensen
Fringe: Bailey, Mathieson, Allison, Lester, Bastinac, Robertson etc.
In: Adams, Neale, McCarthy
Out: Robertson, Lester, McInerney
Really depends where McFayden falls. If he falls before 22 we may not have enough so hoping after 22 so we can get Coleman as well. I really rate Coleman after seeing a couple of NEAFL games impressed more than McFayden.
McCarthy officially a Lion now
SL on the money
40 + 60 <--> McCarthy + 54 + 57
Given the speed this one done was probably prearranged.
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
SL on the money
40 + 60 <--> McCarthy + 54 + 57
Given the speed this one done was probably prearranged.
Yeah those pick swaps were leaked a few days ago
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
SL on the money
40 + 60 <--> McCarthy + 54 + 57
Given the speed this one done was probably prearranged.
Yeah those pick swaps were leaked a few days ago
;D
Heard it'd be that or the other one so posted both to be sure ;)
And the compo picks threw me out - was 42 not 40 :P
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
I wouldn't be throwing that up if I was Brissie :-X
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
It'll be 4 and future 2nd unless we're getting extra pick for this years 2nd
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
It'll be 4 and future 2nd unless we're getting extra pick for this years 2nd
Doubt that will get it done they want to keep him he has said he is cool if the trade does not get done I reckon they are gonna say 2 top 10 picks this year maybe 4 and next years 1st minimum , don't think the Lion would give up a player good enough to go with pick 4 ?
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 01:17:29 PM
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Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
It'll be 4 and future 2nd unless we're getting extra pick for this years 2nd
Doubt that will get it done they want to keep him he has said he is cool if the trade does not get done I reckon they are gonna say 2 top 10 picks this year maybe 4 and next years 1st minimum , don't think the Lion would give up a player good enough to go with pick 4 ?
Then the trade won't happen if Freo ask for two top 10 picks, simple as that
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 01:17:29 PM
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Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
It'll be 4 and future 2nd unless we're getting extra pick for this years 2nd
Doubt that will get it done they want to keep him he has said he is cool if the trade does not get done I reckon they are gonna say 2 top 10 picks this year maybe 4 and next years 1st minimum , don't think the Lion would give up a player good enough to go with pick 4 ?
Then the trade won't happen if Freo ask for two top 10 picks, simple as that
and he walks to Brisbane next year.
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
It'll be 4 and future 2nd unless we're getting extra pick for this years 2nd
Doubt that will get it done they want to keep him he has said he is cool if the trade does not get done I reckon they are gonna say 2 top 10 picks this year maybe 4 and next years 1st minimum , don't think the Lion would give up a player good enough to go with pick 4 ?
Then the trade won't happen if Freo ask for two top 10 picks, simple as that
I'm thinking 4 and next years 1st might get it done and think the Lions would be stupid not to jump at that , players like Neale are hard to get except for Mitchell to the Hawks but that is more down to the Swans stupidity more than anything.
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
It'll be 4 and future 2nd unless we're getting extra pick for this years 2nd
Doubt that will get it done they want to keep him he has said he is cool if the trade does not get done I reckon they are gonna say 2 top 10 picks this year maybe 4 and next years 1st minimum , don't think the Lion would give up a player good enough to go with pick 4 ?
Then the trade won't happen if Freo ask for two top 10 picks, simple as that
and he walks to Brisbane next year.
Making a player wait a year is not the route to go to become a destination club. Neale will get there this period or not at all.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 08, 2018, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:21:54 PM
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Quote from: GoLions on October 08, 2018, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 08, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 08, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Now ill these be acceptable
Picks 22 and 57 for Adams and 4 and 54 for Neale
Potentially, but would almost be certain we'd be using future picks as I'm sure we're keen to keep points for our academy kids.
Ha ha you must know Freo ain't gonna except that for Neale ;D
It'll be 4 and future 2nd unless we're getting extra pick for this years 2nd
Doubt that will get it done they want to keep him he has said he is cool if the trade does not get done I reckon they are gonna say 2 top 10 picks this year maybe 4 and next years 1st minimum , don't think the Lion would give up a player good enough to go with pick 4 ?
Then the trade won't happen if Freo ask for two top 10 picks, simple as that
and he walks to Brisbane next year.
Making a player wait a year is not the route to go to become a destination club. Neale will get there this period or not at all.
^^
Sam Power reporting that Adams is a required player at the Dogs with 2 years to run on his contract so hope we do not pay overs to satisfy given his injury concerns.
JLT team for week 1
FB: Hodge, Walker, Rich
HB: Robertson, Andrews, Witherden
C: Zorko, Neale, McCluggage
HF: Raynor, Hipwood, McCarthy
FF: Cameron, McStay, McInerney
Foll: ASmith, Berry, JLyons
I/C: Bastinac, Robinson, ESmith, Cox, Hinge, Cutler, Taylor, Bailey
Very keen to see how many kickins Rich latches onto. Could get an inside 50 from a kickout!
Berry already back after glandy fever :o
Zorko signed on til 2021 - 3 years worth 2.5M
After seeing our line-up compared to Hawthorn's, I'm not sure this match will be worth watching. Only 4 or 5 players from the Hawks best 22 playing, and we're almost playing a full squad ;D
Quote from: elephants on February 28, 2019, 10:50:34 PM
Very keen to see how many kickins Rich latches onto. Could get an inside 50 from a kickout!
Berry already back after glandy fever :o
Was only a mild case from reports ele. Rich an interesting selection at FB as from all preseason training and intraclub has been playing on a wing. Will have to wait and see where he actually lines up.
Another interesting selection is McCarthy selected on field over Taylor.
Zorko was already signed to 2020 so only a year extension on an upgraded contract,
Apparently Starcevich has done his hammy
HOW DAMN GOOD WERE WE TONIGHT
GET AROUND US
Good win that is, that'll make a few sit up and pay attention.
Boy oh boy wowee
Not bad :)
Tipped yas 8)
OK A few observations after last night still a little hoarse at the moment.
I really doubted the inclusion of McCarthy over Squizzy or Bundy but was a masterstroke. The rforward pressure exrted by both Cameron and McCarthy was really outstanding.
Neale has fitted in seamlessly and Berry and McCluggage were following him all night and really showed what they are capable off.
Really pleasing the way this team fought back after the first quarter. With that deficit previously would have been the end of the night well done. Our ball movement really improved from half way through the second quarter with targets being found.
The big improvement in my opinion this year was the tackling - last year so many tackles were missed or broken but last our tackling was the best I had seen in a few years.
Still undecided on the 6.6.6. structure as we are so far the only team to break 100 and thouat was by courtesy of a 50metre penalty. Is it effecting ruckman as Stef seemed to struggle around the ground as well.
Great to see the crowd get involved and the roar at full time was something to behold.
Great start to the season and encouraging signs need to keep it up next week and serve Kangaroo Stew,
Brissie played the match on their terms so credit to them for that. I've got a list of about 10 things we did extremely poorly though, premiership hangover for sure and GWS and Collingwood before a round 4 derby ::)
Quote from: elephants on March 24, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
Brissie played the match on their terms so credit to them for that. I've got a list of about 10 things we did extremely poorly though, premiership hangover for sure and GWS and Collingwood before a round 4 derby ::)
Yeah pretty much this
Not taking anything away from Brisbane, they were very good and I know this might sound weird but I was glad we lost
After 1/4 time blind Freddy could see that our attitude was clearly "we'll just win this without trying / premiership hangover" but I'm hoping this kick in the ass reminds the boys that you can't take any team for granted and you can't just think you can rock up and win without trying, and I expect our season to start next week
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 24, 2019, 10:41:31 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 24, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
Brissie played the match on their terms so credit to them for that. I've got a list of about 10 things we did extremely poorly though, premiership hangover for sure and GWS and Collingwood before a round 4 derby ::)
Yeah pretty much this
Not taking anything away from Brisbane, they were very good and I know this might sound weird but I was glad we lost
After 1/4 time blind Freddy could see that our attitude was clearly "we'll just win this without trying / premiership hangover" but I'm hoping this kick in the ass reminds the boys that you can't take any team for granted and you can't just think you can rock up and win without trying, and I expect our season to start next week
Agree with this guys - Did not want to say in my post for fear of offending. Showed one of our weaknesses though again with three of the 6 goals in red zone which happened a lot last year.
Real test this week now with Roos coming of a belting.
Brisbane2str0nk
Quote from: Nails on March 31, 2019, 04:07:48 PM
Brisbane2str0nk
Nails is back 8) .. Red Rock combo this year ?
In the past we would have lost that game every single time. To come out 20pt winners after having played terrible for probably 2.5 quarters, shows how much the team has improved. Bring on Port next week!
Quote from: GoLions on March 31, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
In the past we would have lost that game every single time. To come out 20pt winners after having played terrible for probably 2.5 quarters, shows how much the team has improved. Bring on Port next week!
Going to be a massive game I reckon.
Quote from: SilverLion on March 24, 2019, 01:56:39 AM
Boy oh boy wowee
Was at the game yesterday, this is not the same side I've been watching for the last decade 8)
Quote from: SilverLion on April 01, 2019, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on March 24, 2019, 01:56:39 AM
Boy oh boy wowee
Was at the game yesterday, this is not the same side I've been watching for the last decade 8)
Glad you enjoyed. Taken 12 months but seem to have got the game plan right. Still not getting excited yet as 2010 sticks in my mind won the first 4 and then only 3 of the next 18. This team does look a lot better though. Hope McCarhy keeps fit as he will be the buy of the season.
Lets go boys, huge game tonight.
#back2back2back
Still not getting excited though - Ports poor kicking in 2nd quarter cost them. Again letting some goals in red zone and need to make tackles stick for 4 quarters. Thems the negatives.
We are heading in the right direction and the team seems to have confidence in one another. McCarthy has to be the bargain trade for us. Loved that Mark right in front of us.
Well deserved win by the Lions. Did me a favour by comprehensively winning beyond the Meals free kick (avoiding memories of Shuey).
I really think they are the real deal and hope they can have a strong finish to the season considering what the club has been through since 2010.
Quote from: powersuperkents on April 07, 2019, 10:52:56 AM
Well deserved win by the Lions. Did me a favour by comprehensively winning beyond the Meals free kick (avoiding memories of Shuey).
I really think they are the real deal and hope they can have a strong finish to the season considering what the club has been through since 2010.
Yeah a few dubious umpiring decisions going both ways and missed throws in 2 of Port goals as well so in a way p[leased with win and the size. $ goals in the last 5 minutes cemented it and the crowd was the noisiest in that 10 minutes than I haver heard for years.
https://twitter.com/LionsNEAFL/status/1115135343542427648
Christensen keeping pressure on the 22. Saw Bailey had some ice on his leg during the last quarter on the weekend, could come in if he's injured. Hinge and Wooller both pressing for debuts.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 08, 2019, 05:10:27 PM
https://twitter.com/LionsNEAFL/status/1115135343542427648
Christensen keeping pressure on the 22. Saw Bailey had some ice on his leg during the last quarter on the weekend, could come in if he's injured. Hinge and Wooller both pressing for debuts.
Skinner and Lester also amongst best in NEAFL. Would like to see Skinner get a chance this year.
Good reality check this week.
Hello 2016 my old friend
No need to panic and although reality check agree a couple of things may have changed a little.
In first half when Bombers ran riot Hipwood dropped 3 marks he normally would have taken and had shots on goal.
Cameron had 3 shockers from close range 2 of which rebounded with goals to bombers. So a turn around of 24 points effectively.
Need to be on song from the bounce against Pies and this will be reinforced this week by Fags. What changes if any will we make this week.
Lester starred in the Neafl and Keays kicked 6 goals to keep the pressure on. Will Lester come in for Nick Robertson. Also need to consider squizzy for Christensen in my opinion. Corey Lyons could be putting pressure on his brother who had a sub par performance yesterday.
Looks like Bailey has pinged the string again :'(
Quote from: nrich102 on May 11, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
Looks like Bailey has pinged the string again :'(
Rushed him back I reckon, conditions didn't suit someone just coming off a hammy either.
Bailey did play a full game in the NEAFL last week though.
Was disappointing to see an old trait from the last couple of years appear again 7 of dogs goals were scored in the last 5 minutes of quarters including 3 in second quarter when Doggies gained the momentum. Whilst we have shown a lot of improvement our defence still leaks goals. Been watching this for a few weeks now and we seem to have trouble reacting quickly to turnovers as a result of attacking when we should be controlling. Have to find a balance similar to what Pies do.
Already got more wins this year than last year 8)
Big question - Will Hodge fly to Perth? Maybe the injury was to see if we could cope without the general down back.
Umpiring decisions in last quarter nearly cost us the game but in saying that thought umpiring as a whole was sub standard and frustrated both teams with the inconsistency. Quite a few times during the game teams were unsure as to which way the penalty went.
On the game itself despite a few turnovers was Witherdens best game for the year, Kicking for goal still an issue, Robbo wears his heart on his sleeve and I love it, Need to react more quickly to defend turnovers, Neale definitely the trade of the year (Beams who remembers him) and Zorks seems to be hitting his highs again.
Yeah I don't think Hodge plays next week. Really liked the look of Hinge. Matho may get a week or two for his elbow, should see Cutler come back in.
Hinge looked good so Answerth needs to step up as well to counter. Rayner continues to frustrate me as well.
Yeah, can we please drop Rayner now? Should've dropped him 4 weeks ago. Needs to find some confidence again.
Brisbane Lions 2str0nk2fast2leet
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This is disgusting
Midfield got absolutely smashed for all but about 8mins of the game
We were smashed at clearances, We seemed to slacken off when we got to a 30 point lead.
Hope the Lessons are learned from here. Carlton were a lot more desperate than us when they gained a sniff and we could not go with them. Why oh Why when Carlton tagged Neale did we not reciprocate by putting one of the Robbos on Cripps. In my opinion not checking him cost us the game as can be seen by the goals he kicked.
If you read my posts predicted we would have trouble against Carlton talls and proved to be true. Would Walker have made the difference not sure but think Allison did his job well.
Witherden is a liability, should be dropped.
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 08, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
Witherden is a liability, should be dropped.
believe it or not I agree with you. Think he needs to go back to NEAFL to gain confidence. His kicking is nowhere as accurate as last year. Quite a few were direct to Blues today.
Quote from: Ringo on June 08, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 08, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
Witherden is a liability, should be dropped.
believe it or not I agree with you. Think he needs to go back to NEAFL to gain confidence. His kicking is nowhere as accurate as last year. Quite a few were direct to Blues today.
Its not so much the kicking as it is his decision making.
Quote from: GoLions on June 08, 2019, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 08, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 08, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
Witherden is a liability, should be dropped.
believe it or not I agree with you. Think he needs to go back to NEAFL to gain confidence. His kicking is nowhere as accurate as last year. Quite a few were direct to Blues today.
Its not so much the kicking as it is his decision making.
From what I've seen, it's a little of column a, a little of column b. You're right, his decision making has been terrible, but then doubles down with poor execution.
Definitely needs a spell in the twos though.
And he should take Rayner, Archie and Linc with him.
Quote from: Ringo on June 08, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 08, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
Witherden is a liability, should be dropped.
believe it or not I agree with you. Think he needs to go back to NEAFL to gain confidence. His kicking is nowhere as accurate as last year. Quite a few were direct to Blues today.
Absolutely, he is a shell of his 2017 & 2018 self. Thought signing the contract during the week may have freed him up a little more, especially against a weaker opposition, but continued on in his slump.
Quote from: Nige on June 08, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 08, 2019, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 08, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 08, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
Witherden is a liability, should be dropped.
believe it or not I agree with you. Think he needs to go back to NEAFL to gain confidence. His kicking is nowhere as accurate as last year. Quite a few were direct to Blues today.
Its not so much the kicking as it is his decision making.
From what I've seen, it's a little of column a, a little of column b. You're right, his decision making has been terrible, but then doubles down with poor execution.
Definitely needs a spell in the twos though.
And he should take Rayner, Archie and Linc with him.
WELL OVERDUE
Quote from: elephants on June 09, 2019, 11:06:07 AM
Quote from: Nige on June 08, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 08, 2019, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Ringo on June 08, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 08, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
Witherden is a liability, should be dropped.
believe it or not I agree with you. Think he needs to go back to NEAFL to gain confidence. His kicking is nowhere as accurate as last year. Quite a few were direct to Blues today.
Its not so much the kicking as it is his decision making.
From what I've seen, it's a little of column a, a little of column b. You're right, his decision making has been terrible, but then doubles down with poor execution.
Definitely needs a spell in the twos though.
And he should take Rayner, Archie and Linc with him.
WELL OVERDUE
Can add Nick Robertson to the list as well. Good in parts but not consistent enough for AFL.
Amazingly all the comments after the defeat but I only have to back a few rounds to the debacle against the Bombers where we had a similar effort against a lower team after some good games and wins.
Still maintain as I have posted a number of times playing finals this year will be a bonus. We still have the 2nd youngest list in the AFL and the bye has come at the right time.
Quote from: SilverLion on May 20, 2019, 01:33:57 PM
Yeah, can we please drop Rayner now? Should've dropped him 4 7 weeks ago. Needs to find some confidence again.
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Quote from: SilverLion on May 20, 2019, 01:33:57 PM
Yeah, can we please drop Rayner now? Should've dropped him 4 7 weeks ago. Needs to find some confidence again.
Agree - an to be honest think the Blues gained confidence following hi little bit of liarising in the 2nd quarter.
And where the flower was Walker. No idea why he wasn't picked.
Quote from: GoLions on June 09, 2019, 06:52:32 PM
And where the flower was Walker. No idea why he wasn't picked.
I thought he would come in to match up on Carltons talls. But in saying that Allison had a fair game.
Wonder how many took the early odds of Brisbane making top 8, Seen odds of between 50 and 100 to 1.
To be honest my expectations for the season were a 10th - 12th finish with 10 - 11 wins so I am happy.
Hard game against Port this week in Adelaide but really looking forwrad to the game as both teams play the same brand of football and on the up. Go Lions.
BELIEVE
Finals here we come :-*
Quote from: SilverLion on July 27, 2019, 08:56:18 PM
Finals here we come :-*
Time to enquire about September Membership me thinks.
Absolutely unbelievable year. Equal first after 20 rounds.
Still a few mistakes that are costly. Razor Ray did his best to upset our % in the last 5 minutes but no real complaints though as umps seemed to let game flow with only 26 frees for game.
Surely Robbo with the Brownlow votes today.
HOW flowerING GOOD WAS THAT
I am still shaking since the Linc mark ahahahahaha
You'll here the mighty Roar - and boy wasn't it loud at the Gabba this afternoon.
Most of the crowd rose with Lincs mark.
Wish umpires would let the game flow another 48 penalty game. Could not even fathom some went both ways though to be fair.
Adams is getting better with each game and good not to rely on Neale and Zorko with Clugg and Lyons lifting today. . Bundy will probably be out next week and feel sorry for him after striking form after being dropped to NEAFL.
I'm jumping on the train, our bus has broken an axle and lost a couple of wheels somewhere.
We are the pride of Brisbane town
We wear maroon, blue and gold
We will always fight for victory
Like Fitzroy and Bears of old
All for one, and one for all
We will answer to the call
Go Lions, Brisbane Lions
We’ll kick the winning score
You’ll hear our mighty roar!
Go you good thing. ;D
What a season!
Bring on the finals 8)
Couple of comments on todays game however will just post last years score against Richmond 16.14.110 to 2.5.17 so a big improvement in 12 months and bring on Saturday week.
Think we have improvement in us whereas think there is not much in the Tigers.
We need to ensure we restrict ball coming out of the forward 50 on rebound. We had more inside 50s than Tigers and this just showed how easily they rebounded and goaled.
Second think is we need to make tackle stick and lock the ball up. The number of tackles broken in this game by Tigers would be a record. In one of Dustys score involvements he broke 4 tackles. Tighten this up and we can progress
Another lesson learned on how to play the G against a good opposition hopefully is all that was.
Couldn't watch the game here, Charlie was quiet, a couple of things to work with come out of it
no doubt.
Still keen to see how they go in finals. I don't mind watching them play so as a neutral (thank God it's over)
I know I'm going to appreciate finals their involved in.
I love finals footy sometimes even more when you're not in it, no pressure haha just enjoy it for the footy.
Finals tickets on sale Thursday -I will be on line at 11:00 to get mine members presale.
Quote from: Ringo on August 25, 2019, 08:58:47 PM
Couple of comments on todays game however will just post last years score against Richmond 16.14.110 to 2.5.17 so a big improvement in 12 months and bring on Saturday week.
Think we have improvement in us whereas think there is not much in the Tigers.
We need to ensure we restrict ball coming out of the forward 50 on rebound. We had more inside 50s than Tigers and this just showed how easily they rebounded and goaled.
Second think is we need to make tackle stick and lock the ball up. The number of tackles broken in this game by Tigers would be a record. In one of Dustys score involvements he broke 4 tackles. Tighten this up and we can progress
Will be tougher for the Tiges up there Ringo and agree there was a lot of tackles slipped but you guys won the tackles 47 - 72 the Tiges can tackle way better than that if the Tiges can do it on the day is another thing and I doubt the coach would think there is not much improval in them we are a long way off 2017 form but should be a cracker of a game ;)
This reminds me of the good old days. Nothing like a good 10 goal loss.
Geez what a season. Shattered with the result last night, but who could have seen it coming back at the start of the season.
Lots to be pleased with, and now we aim to win a final next season.
here is our list after draft.
(https://i.gyazo.com/1b7f1121e860d44ccb291d800608b038.png)
Lots to be exited for with depth we have.
Here are links for our 4 draftees
Devon Robertson: https://draftprospects.prod.afl/prospect/1009385
Brock Smith: https://draftprospects.prod.afl/prospect/1009242
Keiden Coleman: https://draftprospects.prod.afl/prospect/1006059
Jaxon Prior: https://draftprospects.prod.afl/prospect/1009386
Really happy that Robertson slid to us, Smith helps shore up our small defenders and gives run, Coleman was the academy prospect we really wanted and Prior also boost defence depth.
Did not know a lot about Prior but like what I see.
Disappointment that we did not match bids for either Cumberland or Martyn (Tigers quickly closing on Pies as my most hated AFL team) however I suspect we did not want to go into deficit.
To match Coleman we needed 483 points We used 47 and 59 after trade leaving us with 91 points for trade 59 and 51 with 125 points leaving 216 points available. Pick 43 required 378 points to match so a deficit 0f 162 points which is a lot to carry forward.
We were probably always going to lose one anyway if drafted as matching 3 bids was always going to be difficult. To be honest surprised Richmond bidded for Martyn so early as I expected him in the 50 - 70 range,
So overall happy with the draft despite the disappointment of losing Cumberland and Martyn.
So we have room to redraft Skinner, Lyons, Eagles and Smith after Bombers scotched our plans to take Lacie Johnson which was always on the cards.
Not a lot of action so thought would write a few thoughts on season to date.
We had a reality check in Rd 1 when Hawthorn comfortably defeated us at the G. Then we had the suspension.
We then had 4 straight games at the Gabba which helped us with 4 straight wins, Although we won all four the concern with our goal kicking accuracy was still there no more evident than the 10>23 v Adelaide, In fact in only one of the four games were we on the tight side Goals/Behinds.
So looking at last nights game we were brought down the earth by a clinical Cats display and could not contain their 3rd quarter onslaught something we do to other teams at times.
Would the result been any different if we had kicked more accurately in first half and not allowed Cats the late 2 goals to draw within 10 points. Who knows but undoubtedly this changed momentum.
Also some players put in their worst performance of the year which did not help. Linc with no touches in first half, Harris being led all over the ground by Tomahawk.
Our forward line was well beaten by Cats defenders and virtually non existent.
So do we need changes:
Stef does not appear the same after his injury so is it time to give him more rest and play Archie.
Starc after a great start and keeping Withers out has had orfinary games last 2 weeks so is it time to bring Withers back.
Robbo Calf Injury and in my opinion he has lifted again this year and his agression missed. Fortunately we have a 7 day break so hopefully he can recover,
McCluggage will have further scans on his shoulder but seeing he played on hopefully just minor.
Changes I would make
Witherden for Starc
Answerth for Bailey (Could have an injury)
Skinner for McCarthy
And Dev Robertson to come in if Clugg or Robbo out and CEY not fit. If Robbo out maybe bring in Beastmode.
Defeat a reality check and hopefully back on track against GWS, We are still in the 8.
I think despite our bad kicking, we were that pitiful in the 3rd quarter that it wouldn't have mattered.
- Starc needs a rest IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing one of Answerth/Withers in for him. Looks like he'll be a player long term for us though.
- Wouldn't be against resting Stef, playing Oscar as no. 1, with Ballenden in as number 2. I wouldn't bring Archie in ever as I don't see him in our long term plans, and this would be a good opportunity to develop Ballenden.
- Would love to see Bundy, Matho, Dev Robbo, Hinge, Skinner etc. get a go. Not sure how many at once, but if guys like Bailey, Robbo don't get up wouldn't mind seeing some of them come in.
- Can't see them dropping Linc, much like Rayner, he seems to be one that regardless of how he performs, he never gets dropped.
On more positive notes:
- Like the look of Tom Berry, reckon he's worth persisting with. Brings great pressure and has done some nice things in his few games.
- Reckon Clugg and J Berry have elevated their games again this year. Behind Neale, we've got an elite on ball brigade with JL, Zorks, J Berry and then Clugg and Robbo on the wings. Hopefully CEY comes back in soon as I thought he brought something different to our mix and was good as well.
- That game against port by McStay was unbelievable, if he is able to get somewhere near that type of form consistently, he'd be an elite forward. Hopefully it wasn't a flash in the pan.