Now is the time to go over peoples teams and give your predicitons on what will enfold. I woudl prefer if people can point out the strengths of peoples teams rather than just bagging out a team.
Saying stuff like the eagles have a strong 15 but their bench is terrible is ok.
just dont stuff like, backline terrible mids terrible, team will get destroyed each week etc..
Going to do this in a semi-complex way of working it out so will wait until all teams have officially updated their team lists from the trading periods and have a good hour or two to do it :)
Quote from: Scrads on January 14, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
Going to do this in a semi-complex way of working it out so will wait until all teams have officially updated their team lists from the trading periods and have a good hour or two to do it :)
you can do us Scrads :)
Birchall, Houli, Stanley, Reilly(Nicholson, Terlich, R.Shaw, Guthrie, Jonas, Allen, Bews)
Murphy(C), Fyfe, A.Swallow, Carrazzo
J.Selwood, Priddis(S.Gibson, Rosa, Horsely, Jones, Prudden, Stark, Lloyd)
McIntosh(Lobbe, Renouf, Hannath)
D.Thomas, Robinson, Pavlich, Cyril(Bird, Knights, Lynch, Crisp, Sinclair, Horlin Smith, Cripps, Podsiadly)
Quote from: Ricochet on January 14, 2013, 04:28:37 PM
Quote from: Scrads on January 14, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
Going to do this in a semi-complex way of working it out so will wait until all teams have officially updated their team lists from the trading periods and have a good hour or two to do it :)
you can do us Scrads :)
Birchall, Houli, Stanley, Reilly
(Nicholson, Terlich, R.Shaw, Guthrie, Jonas, Allen, Bews)
Murphy(C), Fyfe, A.Swallow, Carrazzo
J.Selwood, Priddis
(S.Gibson, Rosa, Horsely, Jones, Prudden, Stark, Lloyd)
McIntosh
(Lobbe, Renouf, Hannath)
D.Thomas, Robinson, Pavlich, Cyril
(Bird, Knights, Lynch, Crisp, Sinclair, Horlin Smith, Cripps, Podsiadly)
What is there to say apart from you have a gun side and are one of the elite teams of the comp ? :P
Haha, the method I mean is to rank each team from 1-14 :)
The up to date list of the Bison can be found here - Bison Squad (http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,67793.msg942658.html#msg942658)
A shame we have just lost Woodward for another season :'(
*slings mud at other coaches*
Wish I was on for the trading period to pwn some trades out.
im interested to see if my team gets hammered again :( lol. hopefully ive improved it a little :-\
The Lions best 15 is updated in there thread ;)
Quote from: Holzman on January 14, 2013, 04:11:12 PM
just dont stuff like, backline terrible mids terrible, team will get destroyed each week etc..
stuff you Holz, i can do what i want.
The Metal: backs terrible, mids terrible, team will get destroyed each week...
OK guys so I am halfway through my method of ranking each team. At the moment basically I have rated everyones (fully fit) starting teams. What I did was I ranked each team from 1-14 for starting forwards, backs, mids, rucks and utilities (in situations where starting players weren't specified I just used my own opinion on who should). So the best ranked team got 14 points and the worst ranked got 1 point for each category. I doubled the scores for the Backs, Mids and forwards as they are more influential than the rucks and utilities. I am yet to take into consideration the depth of each team, I haven't 100% decided what I should do for that yet but I am thinking rank each teams depth the same way but change the multipliers to starting mids, backs and forwards to 4x, the rucks and utilities to 3x and the cover forwards, mids, backs 2x and the cover rucks just 1x.
So anyway, here is the list and scores so far for each team based on their fully fit starting 15 only, I will get around to ranking each sides depth another day.
Serbian Eagles (92)
Swedish Metal (89)
Belgian Bashers (88)
Macedonian Wolves (83)
Belarus Bison (82)
Russian Roulettes (78)
Vatican Valkyries (67)
Norwegian Trolls (57)
Iceland Polar Bears (50)
Scotland Savage Sons (45)
English Lions (38)
Spanish Stallions (37)
Greek Titans (19)
Dutch Dinos (15)
Surprises for me were I think the Bison are underrated, they have the capacity to win the big games if things go their way. Actually thought Roulettes would score better seeing as I had them as the best starting mids. Was surprised I had myself in the top 4, I hope it wasn't just bias haha. I was actually expecting me to start a bit behind here but catch up when the depth scores were added as I rate my depth highly. The gap between the top 6 and bottom 6 is pretty big I think it would be a safe bet to say that the 4 prelim finalists will come from the top 6 I named with Zip a slight chance of making an upset entry there if things fall his way, but its nothing compared to the gap between 12th to 13th :o
Let me know your thoughts guys :) Any advice on the scoring system would be muchly appreciated.
haha, is 3rd trade period over?
when it is I'll do a full evaluation of everyones squads :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 15, 2013, 02:21:56 AM
haha, is 3rd trade period over?
when it is I'll do a full evaluation of everyones squads :P
Yes it is over, please start with mine :)
And they reckon I'll come bottom ;D
And I think my depth is one of the better in the comp so I at gain point there :P
damn, when'd it end?
and I think you should all be worried how highly rated my team is considering its youth ;)
Doing my predictions by giving each player a predicted average.
Serbia: 1550
Belgium: 1535
Sweden: 1535
Russia: 1514
Belarus 1495
Iceland:1440
England:1435
Norway: 1435
Vatican: 1420
Macedonia: 1415
Scotland: 1400
Spain: 1360
Greece: 1250
Dutch (No obvious starting 15 but we know where there finishing.)
These are done by very rough predictions and no research haha but lets see how it compares at the end of the year, it will be interesting
Quote from: Scrads on January 15, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
Let me know your thoughts guys :) Any advice on the scoring system would be muchly appreciated.
The only fail i see in the ranking system is the value of each point...
Say Zip has the best backline so he gets 14 points, but its the best backline by a country mile
We have the next best backline so we get 13 points
You have the next best backline but very close to ours, you get 12 points
ideally it should have been something like
Zip 15
Us 13
You 12.5
Not sure how you can do that though
I'm liking these predictions. If only I went after Albett.
The only problem with your team Holz is your forwards are definately going to cost you games, you just need to hope that they dont cost you a final.
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: Scrads on January 15, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
Let me know your thoughts guys :) Any advice on the scoring system would be muchly appreciated.
The only fail i see in the ranking system is the value of each point...
Say Zip has the best backline so he gets 14 points, but its the best backline by a country mile
We have the next best backline so we get 13 points
You have the next best backline but very close to ours, you get 12 points
ideally it should have been something like
Zip 15
Us 13
You 12.5
Not sure how you can do that though
fixed.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 15, 2013, 03:08:40 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: Scrads on January 15, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
Let me know your thoughts guys :) Any advice on the scoring system would be muchly appreciated.
The only fail i see in the ranking system is the value of each point...
Say Zip has the best backline so he gets 14 points, but its the best backline by a country mile
We have the next best backline so we get 13 points
You have the next best backline but very close to ours, you get 12 points
ideally it should have been something like
Zip 15
Us 13
You 12.5
Not sure how you can do that though
fixed.
maybe in a few years
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 15, 2013, 02:53:53 AM
Doing my predictions by giving each player a predicted average.
Serbia: 1550
Belgium: 1535
Sweden: 1535
Russia: 1514
Belarus 1495
Iceland:1440
England:1435
Norway: 1435
Vatican: 1420
Macedonia: 1415
Scotland: 1400
Spain: 1360
Greece: 1250
Dutch (No obvious starting 15 but we know where there finishing.)
These are done by very rough predictions and no research haha but lets see how it compares at the end of the year, it will be interesting
Scrads has moved down on your predictions :o and you overrated your team heaps lol.
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: Scrads on January 15, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
Let me know your thoughts guys :) Any advice on the scoring system would be muchly appreciated.
The only fail i see in the ranking system is the value of each point...
Say Zip has the best backline so he gets 14 points, but its the best backline by a country mile
We have the next best backline so we get 13 points
You have the next best backline but very close to ours, you get 12 points
ideally it should have been something like
Zip 15
Us 13
You 12.5
Not sure how you can do that though
Completely understand but as you said, hard to work a system like that without simply giving each player an estimated average and tallying that up.
JB you were harsh on the Wolves I hope we don't finish that low I thought my team was stronger than that :(
Quote from: Scrads on January 15, 2013, 03:21:38 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: Scrads on January 15, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
Let me know your thoughts guys :) Any advice on the scoring system would be muchly appreciated.
The only fail i see in the ranking system is the value of each point...
Say Zip has the best backline so he gets 14 points, but its the best backline by a country mile
We have the next best backline so we get 13 points
You have the next best backline but very close to ours, you get 12 points
ideally it should have been something like
Zip 15
Us 13
You 12.5
Not sure how you can do that though
Completely understand but as you said, hard to work a system like that without simply giving each player an estimated average and tallying that up.
JB you were harsh on the Wolves I hope we don't finish that low I thought my team was stronger than that :(
Dont really rate your mids that's your problem, and whitey injured. But your mids could prove me wrong.
Stants, Ebert, Shiels and Masten are very solid.
Stanton is inconsistent, but has a massive ceiling and will go 105-110.
Ebert will go 100+.
If Shiels is let loose, he will average 95+, if he's still tagging, then 70-85.
Masten will keep improving and will be around the 85-90 mark. Not bad.
I'll happily take 3 wins for the 2013 season, as long as i get to pick who we beat. :P
How about a system based on last years averages (unsubbed) but the following:
Must have played 10+ games in 2012.
1.- Players who are going into their second year will keep that same average
2.- Players who are 20-21-22-23 who havent broken out yet, receive a 10 point increase on average
3.- Players who are 20-21-22-23-24-25-26 who have broken out receive a 5% increase
4.- Players who are 27-28-29 who haven't broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 10 point increase
5.- Players who are 27-28-29 who have broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 5% point increase
6.- Players who are 30 years old and above receive a 5% deduction from last years average
7.- Players that are over 21 and move clubs get their highest career average for a season.
8.- Players that are under 21 and move clubs get a 20 point increase on last years average.
9.- Players who have played less than 5 games due to injury get their 2011 average
Obviously there are always exceptions and players that don't follow the trend, butwhat do you think of that system?
and what do you think about criteria?
I think everyone who should run their own evaluation system, then we should average them out and compare them all :P
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 05:58:54 PM
How about a system based on last years averages (unsubbed) but the following:
Must have played 10+ games in 2012.
No.1- Players who are going into their second year will keep that same average
No.2- Players who are 20-21-22-23 who havent broken out yet, receive a 20 point increase on average
No.3- Players who are 20-21-22-23-24-25-26 who have broken out receive a 5% increase
No.4- Players who are 26-27-28-29 who haven't broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 10 point increase
No.5- Players who are 26-27-28-29 who have broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 5% point increase
No.6- Players who are 30 years old and above receive a 5% deduction from last years average
No.7- Players that are over 21 and move clubs get their highest career average for a season.
No.8- Players that are under 21 and move clubs get a 20 point increase on last years average.
No.9- Players who have played less than 5 games due to injury get their 2011 average
Obviously there are always exceptions and players that don't follow the trend, butwhat do you think of that system?
and what do you think about criteria?
Going to try it on our squad. Obviously some are a bit out but majority look about right.
Unsubbed 2012 Scores / 2013 predicted averagesBirchall
89.0 + 5% (No.3)
= 93.5Houli
78.9 + 5% (No.3)
= 82.8Stanley
92.4 + 5% (No.3)
= 97.0Reilly
79.1 - 5% (No.6)
= 75.1Murphy
105.7 + 5% (No.3)
= 110.9Fyfe
97.3 + 5% (No.3)
= 102.1A.Swallow
102.6 + 5% (No.3)
= 107.7Carrazzo
101.4 - 5% (No.6)
= 96.3J.Selwood
103.1 + 5% (No.3)
= 108.2Priddis
97.4 + 5% (No.5)
= 102.2McIntosh
90.8 + (No.7)
= 90.8D.Thomas
96.9 + 5% (No.3)
= 101.7Robinson
92.8 + 5% (No.3)
= 97.4Pavlich
94.9 - 5% (No.6)
= 90.1Cyril
89.41 + 5% (No.3)
= 93.8TOTAL= 1449.6 + 110.9 (C) =
1560.5
Gonna have a crack at Scrads team :)
Unsubbed 2012 Scores / 2013 predicted averages
G.Broughton 78.9 + (No.7) = 89.3
H.Hartlett 80.5 + 5% (No.3) = 84.5
B.Guerra 79.4 - 5% (No.6) = 75.4
C.Pederson 57.5 (No.7) = 71.3
B.Stanton 106.5 + 5% (No.5) = 111.8
Bra.Ebert 98.7 + 5% (No.3) = 103.6
L.Shiels 81.5 + 5% (No.3) = 85.5
C.Masten 85 + 5% (No.3) = 89.2
N.Foley 95.8 + 5% (No.5) = 100.5
N.Van Berlo 89 + 5% (No.5) = 93.8
M.Leuenberger 81.5 + (No.9) = 92.8
P.Ryder 90.2 + 5% (No.3) = 94.7
B.Whitecross 89.3 + 5% (No.3) = 93.7** obviously will miss most of the year
D.Martin 85 + 5% (No.3) = 89.2
L.Breust 75.6 + 5% (No.3) = 79.3
TOTAL= 1354.6 + 111.8 (C) = 1466.4
I don't lie the unsubbed thing though. Cause there's a good chance they are subs etc.
Quote from: whatlez on January 15, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
I don't lie the unsubbed thing though. Cause there's a good chance they are subs etc.
Well instead of criticizing everyone else predictions, make your own ;)
Quote from: whatlez on January 15, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
I don't lie the unsubbed thing though. Cause there's a good chance they are subs etc.
It's more for guys that get injured and subbed off at like quarter time. It's more accurate to exclude that score in their average
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 05:58:54 PM
How about a system based on last years averages (unsubbed) but the following:
Must have played 10+ games in 2012.
- Players who are going into their second year will keep that same average
- Players who are 20-21-22-23 who havent broken out yet, receive a 20 point increase on average
- Players who are 20-21-22-23-24-25-26 who have broken out receive a 5% increase
- Players who are 26-27-28-29 who haven't broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 10 point increase
- Players who are 26-27-28-29 who have broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 5% point increase
- Players who are 30 years old and above receive a 5% deduction from last years average
- Players that are over 21 and move clubs get their highest career average for a season.
- Players that are under 21 and move clubs get a 20 point increase on last years average.
Obviously there are always exceptions and players that don't follow the trend, butwhat do you think of that system?
and what do you think about criteria?
Going to try it on our squad. Obviously some are a bit out but majority look about right.
Unsubbed 2012 Scores / 2013 predicted averages
Birchall 89.0 + 5% (No.3) = 93.5
Houli 78.9 + 5% (No.3) = 82.8
Stanley 92.4 + 5% (No.3) = 97.0
Reilly 79.1 - 5% (No.6) = 75.1
Murphy 105.7 + 5% (No.3) = 110.9
Fyfe 97.3 + 5% (No.3) = 102.1
A.Swallow 102.6 + 5% (No.3) = 107.7
Carrazzo 101.4 - 5% (No.6) = 96.3
J.Selwood 103.1 + 5% (No.3) = 108.2
Priddis 97.4 + 5% (No.5) = 102.2
McIntosh 90.8 + (No.7) = 90.8
D.Thomas 96.9 + 5% (No.3) = 101.7
Robinson 92.8 + 5% (No.3) = 97.4
Pavlich 94.9 - 5% (No.6) = 90.1
Cyril 89.41 + 5% (No.3) = 93.8
stanleys 5th year mate.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 15, 2013, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 15, 2013, 05:58:54 PM
How about a system based on last years averages (unsubbed) but the following:
Must have played 10+ games in 2012.
- Players who are going into their second year will keep that same average
- Players who are 20-21-22-23 who havent broken out yet, receive a 20 point increase on average
- Players who are 20-21-22-23-24-25-26 who have broken out receive a 5% increase
- Players who are 26-27-28-29 who haven't broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 10 point increase
- Players who are 26-27-28-29 who have broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 5% point increase
- Players who are 30 years old and above receive a 5% deduction from last years average
- Players that are over 21 and move clubs get their highest career average for a season.
- Players that are under 21 and move clubs get a 20 point increase on last years average.
Obviously there are always exceptions and players that don't follow the trend, butwhat do you think of that system?
and what do you think about criteria?
Going to try it on our squad. Obviously some are a bit out but majority look about right.
Unsubbed 2012 Scores / 2013 predicted averages
Birchall 89.0 + 5% (No.3) = 93.5
Houli 78.9 + 5% (No.3) = 82.8
Stanley 92.4 + 5% (No.3) = 97.0
Reilly 79.1 - 5% (No.6) = 75.1
Murphy 105.7 + 5% (No.3) = 110.9
Fyfe 97.3 + 5% (No.3) = 102.1
A.Swallow 102.6 + 5% (No.3) = 107.7
Carrazzo 101.4 - 5% (No.6) = 96.3
J.Selwood 103.1 + 5% (No.3) = 108.2
Priddis 97.4 + 5% (No.5) = 102.2
McIntosh 90.8 + (No.7) = 90.8
D.Thomas 96.9 + 5% (No.3) = 101.7
Robinson 92.8 + 5% (No.3) = 97.4
Pavlich 94.9 - 5% (No.6) = 90.1
Cyril 89.41 + 5% (No.3) = 93.8
stanleys 5th year mate.
are you referring to the "No.3" ?
ahhh, you're referring to the third dot point?
now that the 3rd period is over, and I'm back from holidays, I'm now going to review every team :P
FTR, I *think* I've sorted out the dinos team, for analysis... I could be wrong though, I didnt look into depth for it
B: Goodes, Johnson, Firrito, Gwilt
M: Palmer, Cassisi, Embley, I Smith
R: Vardy
F: Butcher, Daniher, Westhoff, Winderlich
U: Whitfield, Viney
with a bench of
B: Markcovic Oshea Dawson Hooker Buckley Buntine Plowman Tanner Smith Hombsch
M: Taggert M Newman Ellard Crouch B Hill Ed Curnow Stringer
R: Sellar Currie
F Redpath J Hill Banfield Milne Crozier J Garlett Garner T Obrien Murdoch
honestly though... I dont even...
*note* had to make an edit since the squads arent updated, there may be a couple of extra benchies in there
ok, so I haven't gotten around to a review yet, but I've compiled every teams full squad (which wasn't easy in some cases... seriously, update your lists people), and I've done a score estimate for each teams best 15... I found the results I bit surprising- Serbia are pumping wayyy harder than I predicted, while the bashers, despite their constant trade, ummm 'domination', aren't as high as I thought they would be.
Bison are, as people have said, underated. Atm though, without looking at depth, its looking to me like a 4 horse race, with sweden as a smokie
Rank Name Predicted Average
1 Serbia 1598
2 Russia 1554
3 Bashers 1530
4 Bison 1527
5 Sweden 1523
6 Valkyries 1486
7 Macedonia 1440
8 Trolls 1412
9 Iceland 1406
10 Scotland 1363
11 Spain 1351
12 England 1347
13 Greece 1255
14 Dinos 1195
I know FARK is going to dog until our eyes bleed as his penis slowly shrivels up in fear to resembled a small withered pea, but, with the exception of my team possibly being biased (entirely plausible), or, a possible transcription error, that's how I see the best 15 panning out atm... how it actually goes will depend on injuries, suspension, cover etc. I'll deal with all that tomoz though :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 16, 2013, 02:52:58 AM
ahhh, you're referring to the third dot point?
yep thats it
Gonna look at Russia now
Unsubbed 2012 Scores / 2013 predicted averages
Waters,
91.6 + 5% (No.5) =
96.1Hurn,
76 + 5% (No.3) =
79.8Yarran,
68.6 + 5% (No.3) =
72Burguoyne
72 - 5% (No.6) =
68.4Swan,
133.5 + 5% (No.5) =
140.1Ablett,
124.8 + 5% (No.5) =
131Griffen,
27.1 + 5% (No.5) =
101.9ROK
96.7 - 5% (No.6) =
91.8Moloney,
59.6 (No.7) =
88.4Greene
96.2 + (No.1) =
96.2Bellchambers
83.3 + 5% (No.3) =
87.4Tippett
72.3 + (No.7) =
72.6Chappy,
97.4 - 5% (No.6) =
92.5J.Riewoldt,
90.1 + 5% (No.3) =
94.6Varcoe
(No.9) =
75.1TOTAL= 1387.9 + 140.1 (C) =
1528
How i wish your predictions are correct ric.
Swanny 140 would be nice.
Quote from: Holzman on January 16, 2013, 01:41:48 PM
How i wish your predictions are correct ric.
Swanny 140 would be nice.
yeh i know some are a bit questionable :-\
Ok Holz's team, a few that could go either way in this one with Gibbs, Cloke and Goldy
Unsubbed 2012 Scores / 2013 predicted averages
B.Gibbs, 91.5 + 5% (No.3) = 96
B.Goddard, 97.5 (No.7) = 113.4
H.Shaw, 82 + 5% (No.5) = 86.1
J.Adcock 81 + 5% (No.5) = 85
S.Pendlebury, 113.4 + 5% (No.5) = 119
M.Boyd, 115.2 (No.6) = 109.4
B.Deledio, 110.3 + 5% (No.3) = 115.8
M.Barlow 99.7 + 5% (No.3) = 104.6
T.Goldstein 81.5 + 5% (No.3) = 85.5 ** probably deserves to be higher with HMac gone.
T.Cloke, 76 + 5% (No.3) = 79.8
M.Lecras, Nil (No.9) = 86.2
B.Harvey, 87.7 - 5% (No.6) = 83.3
D.Petrie 81.4 - 5% (No.6) = 77.3
L.Athony 96.8 + 5% (No.3) = 101.6
A.Sandilands100.2 - 5% (No.6) = 95.1
TOTAL= 1438.1 + 119 (C) = 1557.1
Problem with your prediction Ric is that not all players are going to avoid the vest from time to time!! Haha. It is like guaranteed that Cyril get it at least once.
Liam Anthony 101... Hmmmm. If that's true then Torp would be spewing lol
Quote from: whatlez on January 16, 2013, 02:41:18 PM
Liam Anthony 101... Hmmmm. If that's true then Torp would be spewing lol
athony has the capibilities to beat that score. If everything goes right i can see him going 105.
Its the chance he is dropped or an injury occurs again that is the problem, he can score no doubtr about that. He is basically like sandi (except sandi has 100% JS)
Yeh i know its not perfect, but its the closest i can think to getting decent averages.
Happy for suggestions on changes?
Bit underrated by Zip there I feel
McLean should be good for a 105 average, Jobe Watson, Shane Tuck and Scott Thompson... our midfield is up there with everyone else....
And then our fwd line is JET.
Zip underrated us. I feel we're a top 2-3 team.
Quote from: Nails on January 16, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
Bit underrated by Zip there I feel
McLean should be good for a 105 average, Jobe Watson, Shane Tuck and Scott Thompson... our midfield is up there with everyone else....
And then our fwd line is JET.
Zip underrated us. I feel we're a top 2-3 team.
1.- Players who are going into their second year will keep that same average
2.- Players who are 20-21-22-23 who havent broken out yet, receive a 10 point increase on average
3.- Players who are 20-21-22-23-24-25-26 who have broken out receive a 5% increase
4.- Players who are 27-28-29 who haven't broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 10 point increase
5.- Players who are 27-28-29 who have broken out for the 2nd time, receive a 5% point increase
6.- Players who are 30 years old and above receive a 5% deduction from last years average
7.- Players that are over 21 and move clubs get their highest career average for a season.
8.- Players that are under 21 and move clubs get a 20 point increase on last years average.
9.- Players who have played less than 5 games due to injury get their 2011 average
Unsubbed 2012 Scores / 2013 predicted averages
Enright
80.7 - 5% (No.6)
= 76.6Newman
71 - 5% (No.6)
= 67.4 ** Would expect Grimes or Batchelor to step in here
Lake
76.2 (No.7)
= 99.7 ** Its a big ask but has done it before
Dempster
75.4 + 5% (No.5)
= 79.1Watson
112.4 - 5% (No.5)
= 118Thompson
104.8 - 5% (No.6)
= 99.5Tuck
107.5 - 5% (No.6)
= 102.1Montagna
96.6 - 5% (No.6)
= 91.7Hayes
97.3 - 5% (No.6)
= 92.4Mclean
103 + 5% (No.3)
= 108.1Cox
99.6 - 5% (No.6)
= 94.6Brown
79.5 - 5% (No.6)
= 75.5Stevie J
102.2 - 5% (No.6)
= 97.0Bartel
96.7 - 5% (No.6)
= 91.8NRoo
88.5 - 5% (No.6)
= 84.0TOTAL= 1377.5 + 118 (C) =
1495.5How much the boys over 30 will decline is you biggest issue Nails. 5% might be a bit too harsh, especially for guys like Thommo and Hayes
Quote from: Nails on January 16, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
Bit underrated by Zip there I feel
McLean should be good for a 105 average, Jobe Watson, Shane Tuck and Scott Thompson... our midfield is up there with everyone else....
And then our fwd line is JET.
Zip underrated us. I feel we're a top 2-3 team.
the biggest issue is your backline, as you can see, rics formulated estimates about agree with mine.
WOw Watson averaging 118. He won't trump his brownlow year... Props if he does and get keen then lol.
Quote from: whatlez on January 16, 2013, 05:54:54 PM
WOw Watson averaging 118. He won't trump his brownlow year... Props if he does and get keen then lol.
He did go 116 up until RD 11 and then Essendon went to shower so i wouldn't say its not achievable.
The Swan prediction of 140 is way out there, but then again who would have thought he would increased his average by 13pts this year.
Team: Macedonia
Coach: Scrads
Predicted rank and average score: 7th, 1440
Scoring breakdown (Including captain bonus)
Back Broughton 100
Back Hartlett 95
Back Guerra 75
Back Pederson 80
Mid Stanton 210
Mid Ebert 100
Mid Shiels 80
Mid Masten 90
Ruck Leuenberger 90
For Ryder 90
For Whitecross 80
For Martin 95
For Breust 80
Util Foley 90
Util Van Berlo 85
Analysis: Macedonias starting 15 is solid, without being spectacular, each line spearheaded by one or two fantasy greats, but with average support backing them up. The biggest inherent weakness in this team is the lack of average players, such as shiels, masten, who at this point hold the team back (although both have room for improvement), and the lack of a genuine captaincy option, being forced to rely on stanton. Considering the euros season only runs for just over half the AFL season, if stanton fires in the wrong part of the year, it'll spell disaster for the wolves.
Backs: Broughton is, as always, a gamble. If used defensively as a back, he'll be scoring 70s-80s. If used as a midfielder, he'll go 100+ and be an A grade back. That being said, at that point he'll lose his defence eligibility, potentially harmful to the teams long term. Hartlett has a similar conundrum, although in his case it's more of a question of fitness. Pedersons estimate has been quite generous, but the wolves are really in lack for a solid 4th backman, relying on an aged guerra... clearly the future hopes are being pinned on Howard, since with Jaensch's questionable JS, the relative unknown quantity that is stevenson, and the poor scoring potential of the remaining backs, there's not much left.
At the very least though, Macedonia has a backline which has supremely good cover- unless absolutely devastated by injury, it's nearly inconceivable that Scrads will be forced to play someone as defence cover OOP.
Mids: I've already spoken about stantons inconsistency as an issue- on the positive note, the addition of Goddard to the bombers midfield could shift the tag from him... that being said, I would not want to depend on him as my teams first captaincy option. Ebert and Masten both demonstrated this year exactly why they were first round draft picks, and with any luck, should continue to improve. Every Euros coach knows of Shiels scoring potential- one that was tempting enough to force the currently infamous trade of Joel Selwood for Liam Shiels straight swap, which was hotly contested and debated in the 2012 pre-season. If he's used as a tagger, it's unlikely shiels will ever crack the 90 mark. If allowed to go free however, he has the potential to mix it with the best, and, in my opinion would be the number one captaincy choice at the wolves.
As a whole, including foley and vanberlo, both solid scorers in their own right, the fielded mids are definitely serviceable, with substantial potential, however currently are probably a bit sub par to really push for a top 4 side.
The midfield cover is pretty impressive for this team- you have vince, whilst being 28 this year and coming off an average season, has shown that he can average 100+ before, Mackay a 25 year old mid, who from a fantasy perspective is coming into his boom or bust year. Savage is a highly rated young midfielder, averaging nearly 70 unsubbed this year, his biggest issue is that he hasn't as of yet managed to cement himself in the Hawks best 21, and he's been used a bit as the super sub this year, if he can shake that off with a bit of pre-season improvement I wouldn't be surprised if he began to take the field in the best 15 for Macedonia. Hrovat is a high draft pick and talented player, while Anderson is a GWS zone player, both solid for the future as well.
Basically, in order for scrads to really challenge this year, he needs his midfield to step up- that being said, he's managed to get the players that makes that seem very likely, it's extremely well structured.
Rucks: You could argue one of the strongest in the league, with Ryder and Leuenberger, both 90+ at their best, with rateed youngsters like cordy and daw on the bench. Ryder being played up forward out of necessity detracts from this line a bit, but in essence, if the Wolves number one ruck goes down, it can be covered by an 80+ forward who takes ryders spot. Definitely one of the teams strong points.
Forwards: Another impressive line, Whitecross, as you'll notice, has his average a little bit low- I've decreased it on the assumption that, despite whitecross being an 85-90+ player, he's going to have to be covered by a subpar player for half the season while he recovers from his ACL injury. Breust averaging 76 in his second year bodes very well for Scrads, and Dustin Martin is a beast- the only concern with him is that he may eventually move into a full time midfield role.
The cover on the forward line is nothing to sniff at either- Kennedy is a solid player, 75-80+ key forward, Jetta is a machine as well, the only issue with him is that his run and carry is so impressive, he cops a lot of attention and doesnt get very many cheap possessions. Frank, Lamb, Paine, Wilkes all show varying potential, and at the very least should provide decent cover in a few years, while sculz and callinans JS will be invaluable if injury strikes. Walters fits well in this team- he's surroundede by players of good JS, and by youth, to the point where a gamble like him is worth taking in this team. The biggest problem with this forward line, is that as of yet, it doesn't really have any premiums- I'm tipping Martin for a huge year, and ryders already a quasi premium, but as of now, Scrads is relying on improvement from talented players.
Best part of the team: The Ruck Line is phenomenal. The forwards are very impressive as well, although one more 90+ player is probably needed at this stage.
Greatest weakness: the backline, at this point, the 4th back for the wolves is very sketchy, and even pederson has a few doubts surrounding him, the other issue is the lack of quality youth that could break out and really cover these deficiencies, from my point of view, there's just howard.
How to win the flag: Unfortunately, this year it's probably just out of Scrads reach- I have him at well over 100 points deficit of Serbi. That being said, all four of his starting mids are definitely capable of going 100+, and that's pretty much the improvement he needs. However, although that *probably* wouldn't quite get him there, it would definitely put the wolves in the mix. It is also completely plausible that Howard could break out to 80+, if both of these things happen, I definitely wouldn't be writing Scrads off.
Most importantly, both of those things probably will happen in the next 2 years... the only concern is whether broughton and hartlett will still be maintaining their defence eligibility by then.
Although this is only my first review, at this stage, considering Scrads best 15 and his cover, I'd be extremely surprised if he didn't make the top 8. Next year he should probably consider going hard for a premium defender though.
Exceptional work zip can't wait to see the bashers and eagles get reviewed.
Nice analysis zip :)
Looking forward to the one on the dark horses, or should I say dark Bison? ;)
Good work Zip :) But Broughton will struggle to hit 90! I'm a GC supporter and he won't excel...
Quote from: whatlez on January 16, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
Good work Zip :) But Broughton will struggle to hit 90! I'm a GC supporter and he won't excel...
if he's played mids, he will, he always has... he's a beast dter in the midfield.
off hb, he'll be alright.
in a lockdown role though... :/
Wow Zip very nice writeup and they are all very fair predictions.
Have to agree with Lez on Broughton tho. Can see him going back to his earlier seasons when he played a lot of midfield at Freo and was around 90ish.
Good Coast ae in DT shower. Gary is half the ave. with Swallow, Bennell, Prestia, Riska and other all increase their average, how is Broughton going to dominate by so much?
Thanks for the review Zip you did a great job :)
On the topic of my backs, I think it is deceiving a bit as although my backs aren't outstanding, it is an area that the rest of the comp also struggle in. I actually rated my backs to be the 4th best out of 14 teams and with the bonus of having the depth some other teams don't I am actually not really worried at all with them.
My mids you are right are too weak at the moment and unless there is some serious improvement (which isn't out of the question) then I will struggle to amass scores to contend.
Looking forward to your other reviews :)
haha, no issue.
Quote from: Ricochet on January 16, 2013, 11:06:36 PM
Wow Zip very nice writeup and they are all very fair predictions.
Have to agree with Lez on Broughton tho. Can see him going back to his earlier seasons when he played a lot of midfield at Freo and was around 90ish.
Agree broughton will be a beast at gc but remember this is gc he will ave 95 at best 60 at worst. Thats a huge gap and too much risk for my liking so wont be in my dt. Reckon to be fair hell ave 80-85. Gc have heaps of mids they recruited broughts to play hb/fwd
Quote from: Scrads on January 17, 2013, 02:31:29 AM
Thanks for the review Zip you did a great job :)
On the topic of my backs, I think it is deceiving a bit as although my backs aren't outstanding, it is an area that the rest of the comp also struggle in. I actually rated my backs to be the 4th best out of 14 teams and with the bonus of having the depth some other teams don't I am actually not really worried at all with them.
My mids you are right are too weak at the moment and unless there is some serious improvement (which isn't out of the question) then I will struggle to amass scores to contend.
Looking forward to your other reviews :)
yeah just did a quick look at the backs, and honestly, yours aren't actually too bad :P
you're behind serbia and bisons by my count, and valkyries as well :P
my point wasnt just on the scoring potential this year though, it was more long term- hartlett and broughts in danger of losing dpp, guerra retiring soon...
Team: Belarus Bison
Coach: LaHug
Predicted ranking and average score: 4th, 1527
Scoring breakdown including captain bonus
Back Scotland 100
Back Suckling 83
Back Duffield 95
Back Taylor 75
Mid Mitchell 210
Mid Kelly 97
Mid Armitage 95
Mid Ball 93
Ruck Jacobs 94
Fwd Zorko 93
Fwd Rockliff 110
Fwd Roughead 92
Fwd Bolton 90
Util Sylvia 95
Util Mundy 105
Analysis:
The Bisons are a very strong, and underrated team- I've got them in 4th currently, but honestly they could easily push top 2. The greatest strength in their team is their forward line- Rockliff, Roughead, Bolton, Sylvia, Zorko, is an incredibly powerful combination. It's unfortunate for the Bisons and their coaches that Xavier Ellis lost defensive eligibility, or they could have been boasting a top 2 defensive line as well.
Backs: Scotland is a proven scoring machine- he's old, and won't be around for many more years, but I think high 90s is what we can still expect from him this year. Suckling unfortunately seems to be attracted to the green a little too much, but still easily falls into the premium euros range. Duffield is an absolute beast playing off HB without broughton, and hopefully for bison, as I've tipped, he can keep this up this year. Unfortunately, Belarus just don't seem to have the 4th defender to really add icing to the cake, Harry Taylor is more of a key defender, and we can't really expect more than a 75 average from him, and unfortunately a lot of the cover falls into this area as well.
Chaplin is a key defender as well, Jordan Russell might provide that 80 odd scoring for a year or two if he's lucky, although first he needs to break into the pies outfit. Luke Brown, is, from what I hear, a solid enough performer... but his scoring capabilities currently leave much to be desired, that being said, him along with bootsma hopefully should be able to provide replacements for scotland when he retires, and hopefully wright can show some skill too. Blake is clearly just temporary cover. Thornton wont be around for long either, and who really can tell his scoring ability.
It is however, almost a perfectly balanced structure, young and highly rated medium defenders coming through, in a team that has 2 reasonably aged premium defenders, and one old defender, with plenty of cover. However, a phrase I'm sure I'm going to be repeating a lot- it could do with one more premium back.
Mids: The bisons have a couple of major midfield issues. The first one is the lack of 100+ mids, with only mitchell, who barely qualifies as a captaincy option, and Mundy if he ever stays fit. The other major problem is the age- Ball is 29, Mitchell 31, Kelly 30, Mundy 28, hardly spring chickens. This wouldnt be too much of a concern, but the only young and potentially dt relevant midfielders belarus boasts currently are gysberts and armitage. Next draft that should probably be their first priority, the current best midfielders are running out of time extremely fast.
These issues are alright however, since Belarus balances them out extremely well with their next two lines
Rucks: Jacobs, Roughead. Great combination, and roughies dpp is definitely a bonus. The cover beyond that is a bit shaky, but it's no major deal- graham can score ok when given the opportunity, and should jacobs go down, he'll be right up there pushing for a gig.
Fwd: This is definitely where the bisons run away with it- imo, easily the best fwd line in the competition. Zorko could potentially boost his average further (although personally I doubt it), while Rockliff should be, fully fit and hopefully in the mids, a 110 player once again. Even a 'bad' season for him pulled out a 90 average. Roughead and Bolton, while getting on are more than serviceable, and Sylvia really just rounds it out as a utiliyu. Superb.
The cover is still pretty solid as well, Monfries, Stokes, Lynch are definitely serviceable, with younger players such as Jones, Cook, Membrey, Wood, Duffy also, hopefully, providing a decent future. Extremely well balanced line up.
Best part of the team: Phenomenal forward line, easily takes this out.
Greatest weakness: this team is pretty well rounded, but I'm going to say the age and the kind of average midfield scoring is a bit of a concern. For the 2013 draft, unless a gem happens to raise its head, I'd be trying to grab a talented young midfielder in the national, and hopefully an undrafted talent in the rookie. They'll need a bit of luck though, considering bisons won't be having a top 10 pick by my estimates.
How to Win the flag: Bisons would need a little luck, but not much of it. Their cover is very solid, especially in the ruck and forward lines, what they could really do with would be Suckling just cutting out those vests, and Mitchell + Mundy hopefully reaching the 110 range that we know they can get. I think that, and rockliff getting back to form, is what the bisons are really depending on.
another great read zip. I can see the bison causing some problems for me next year that forward line is soo good its essentially having 2 midfields.
If they Bison use Rocky as captain they jump us into 3rd :P
Nice write up Zip, really appreciate it. I noticed that you mentioned Blake and Cook in our team, but we actually delisted them before the rookie draft and picked up Luke Russell and Josh Jenkins, not sure if you saw my updated team squad in our thread? I think Luke Russell could easily become our 4th back this year, take away his subbed games (I know it's always bad to do that) and he averaged 71.7, and I reckon he can push that up higher again. Then Jenkins will be used as cover for if Jacobs goes down, as you can see we have 3 Adelaide rucks so should be fine if there are injuries to one or 2 of them :)
My other question is you have Mitchell as captain scoring 210, so 105 before doubling it, but Rockliff 110, so why isn't he captain?
Great write up once again :)
yeah I didnt see the updated squad unfortunately, jenkins is really good for your ruckline as well- is he R/F?
I think that's because I see mitchells 105 as more likely than rockys 110, we'll see though :P
Looking good Zip
Can't wait for a Swedish Metal review :o
Can't wait to see my shower team get grilled lol.
Yep Jenkins is ruck/fwd, but I don't think he will be seeing many games this season. Later down the track though should do alright :)
Quote from: whatlez on January 17, 2013, 04:57:37 PM
Can't wait to see my shower team get grilled lol.
can't wait for Zips hate of the Bashers
Sweden will come 4th last in 2013. Greece, Lez and the Bashers will finish below us. Bison will win the comp becuase CrowsFan is the smartest guy on the forum.
Wow that's big praise PB! :o don't know what would make you think I'm the smartest though...
Quote from: SilkySkills on January 17, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
Sweden will come 4th last in 2013. Greece, Lez and the Bashers will finish below us. Bison will win the comp becuase CrowsFan is the smartest guy on the forum.
how about spoon winers to flag favourite?
Quote from: whatlez on January 17, 2013, 04:57:37 PM
Can't wait to see my shower team get grilled lol.
well, I have done two top 8 teams now, so I suppose it's time for a bottom 8 :P
btw to the metal coaches- I made a mistake in your calculations- basically, I had cooney fielded at a 90 avg. rather than mclean, since in your team list he was so far down. Doesnt change your ranking, but boosts your score.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: whatlez on January 17, 2013, 04:57:37 PM
Can't wait to see my shower team get grilled lol.
well, I have done two top 8 teams now, so I suppose it's time for a bottom 8 :P
btw to the metal coaches- I made a mistake in your calculations- basically, I had cooney fielded at a 90 avg. rather than mclean, since in your team list he was so far down. Doesnt change your ranking, but boosts your score.
serbia was a bottom 8 team in 2012 and the bashers.
Team: Scotland Savage Sons
Coach: Whatlez
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 10th, 1363
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back D Pearce 78
Back Grima 76
Back Brennan 80
Back Ibbotson 72
Mid Jack 200
Mid Grigg 93
Mid Jones 90
Mid Boak 100
Ruck Maric 90
Fwd Wellingham 88
Fwd Dahlhaus 85
Fwd Fasolo 75
Fwd Blair 75
Util Prestia 78
Util Young 83
Analysis:
The sons. A highly controversial team, in the sense that they appeared to be working in collusion with the Bashers, some highly suspect, and hotly debated trades between the two taking place in the off season. Whatlez has had his judgement and coaching ability doubted, at some point, by nearly every competitor in the league at some point, to be fair however, he has had one of the most difficult teams to work with- the sons have already had (3?) coaches since their initial draft, and every new coach brought to the team a new strategy and plan that, in the end, gave the Sons an exceptionally cobbled look.
Purely for interest however, I ran a quick calculation on the Sons possible team from last year, to see if these accusations were founded.... and I've found that, by my score, their 2012 squad would be scoring 22 ppg less than their 2013 one. So, despite what people have said about the Sons, there's been a small, but definite improvement on their best 15.
That being said, it's easy to see why this team is pushing for a bottom 4 finish. No legitimate captaincy option, a very weak defensive line, and being reliant on far too many 70 odd players- especially an overload on small forwards. That being said, with the youth the suns have in various positions, conca, wines, mayes, Matera, rohan, mckenzie etc. I wouldn't say the future is bleak- they're definitely going to prosper from a few high draft picks soon.
Back: Firstly, imo, Mckenzie should be taking the field in the best 4 here, but personal preference. This is pretty poor line- Pearce is, at absolute best, a player who can just scrape an 80 average. At best. I've honestly probably been generous with grima and brennans averages- brennans 29 and was clearly designated to lock down last season, while grima's 28 and's only played just over 50 games in his career. Ibbotson is a very average medium defender, although, to be fair, is still young enough that he could become worthwhile.
The cover isn't too amazing either past Mckenzie- who I personally rate, but honestly don't see him holding defence eligible long- currently he's just there since the ball's spend so much time thumping through GCs posts that they need someone like mckenzie, with his booming kick, to just clear it as far as possible up the field. When GC develop more and begin to contest games more often, I honestly see Mckenzie with his monster distance being significantly more valuable in the HF line. Geary is average, Addison is shocking. Suban, might, if he's lucky, make something of himself. Thurlow could be alright, while Corr and Frawley are both key backs. Basically the Sons defensive future depends on Thurlow, Suban and Geary... not very promising unfortunately.
Mids: Scotland kind of saves themselves here- Whilst I cant see Grigg ever going past a 100 average, he's definitely good enough to take the field (not good enough to trade for selwood though). Jones, Boak both show huge potential, and should be able to push 100+ soon, while Jack has already demonstrated what a beast he is.
The Bench is pretty decent as well- Conca, Wines, Mzungu, Mayes, Broomhead should all be solid enough, Armfield for cover along with Picken, it's a pretty decent line up. Could be scary in a few years, especially with prestia developing and young just providing some solid scores for a while.
Rucks: Maybe a little thin, Maric is a beast though, and Grundy and Witts are arguably the two best young rucks in the system, so I'd rate this as a solid line up.
Fwds: Definitely light here- betting on wellingham to maintain fwd eligibility in a new team is a gamble, while pretty much the rest of the team, Fasolo, Blair, Dahlhaus, Matera, Ballantyne, Nahas, Pretrenko are all small forwards, with only simpson, rohan, pettard and may being medium, and most of them having various issues of their own.
On top of that, personally, I don't rate Blair much at all as a Dter, and can see him, as I've shown here, having a slip in average. The fact is in general, that very, very few small forwards average 80+... recently, there's boomer, and chapman (he's a nuggett though, hardly small) and that's about it.
Strengths: The midfield scoring combined with it's youth is definitely a strength for the sons. Hopefully they'll have enough young mids fire that they can trade off one or two for a decent defender/ forward. The rucks are a strength as well, having the two young pies is a definite bonus, and Maric as I've said, is an A grade ruck by himself.
Weaknesses: Definitely the backs. So many issues with this. I would say the forwards as well, but with a bit of luck, they could still be half decent, if mckenzie becomes a forward and mayes develops properly. The defensive line definitely needs desperate work asap, that's what I'd be focusing on next draft.
How to win the flag: I really, really, really don't see this happening this year. Look, if Brennan goes back to mid 80s, Grima, Mckenzie, Pearce all break out likewise while Jack goes 110, Grigg, Jones, Boak, Prestia, Young go 100+ and a couple of the fwds scrape 90, then maybe.
This year though- highly improbable.
Wow these wright ups are awesome Zip :) A few predictions im not 100% sure on but they were predicted over what i thought they would average so it all seems very fair so far and no one could argue with your comments imo, have all been spot on. really enjoyed reading them :D
Thanks, but my predictions on players are higher than yours, that's why I recruited them. I agree with your backs analysis and what is your opinion on McKenzie's scoring ability?
I disagree with your Geigg and Jones ratings. Fasolo will srely motive more than 2-3 and same with Prestia.
Also itch McKenzie, he is getting built up to be a great alf back flanker for his career and Thurlow will be a defender and solid scorer.
I see the SOS averaging close to 1400 as some of your predictions are lower than my personal opinion.
honestly, unfortunately I cant see him ever being a true premium, 80+ player for sure, maybe even in the 90s, but his role seems to be thumping it long, and because of that I can't see him scraping the 100 mark. Maybe at HF if he's absolutely shredding it, fact is, you have a bloke he can kick a goal from 70m out. That's too valuable to leave in defence.
I rate jones personally, Grigg, not so much. Fasolos a small forward, 80 is about his limit. Prestia could pump it up, but it's a bit touch and go, personally I dont think he'll break out this year.
Quote from: Holzman on January 17, 2013, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: SilkySkills on January 17, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
Sweden will come 4th last in 2013. Greece, Lez and the Bashers will finish below us. Bison will win the comp becuase CrowsFan is the smartest guy on the forum.
how about spoon winers to flag favourite?
Close, 3rd place losing to the Bison in the Prelim (bad side of the draw) The Bashers lose in the other prelim to GAJ and Swan and then get destroyed in the final.
Quote from: CrowsFan on January 17, 2013, 06:51:32 PM
Wow that's big praise PB! :o don't know what would make you think I'm the smartest though...
Neither do I, after all you do go for the crows....
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2013, 09:02:26 PM
honestly, unfortunately I cant see him ever being a true premium, 80+ player for sure, maybe even in the 90s, but his role seems to be thumping it long, and because of that I can't see him scraping the 100 mark. Maybe at HF if he's absolutely shredding it, fact is, you have a bloke he can kick a goal from 70m out. That's too valuable to leave in defence.
I rate jones personally, Grigg, not so much. Fasolos a small forward, 80 is about his limit. Prestia could pump it up, but it's a bit touch and go, personally I dont think he'll break out this year.
Thanks anyways. I see most of my players averaging about 5 more than most you wrote there cept maybe the defenders. I did recruit for the players I see improving and yeah I'm not going for next year, I have great future with Wines, Mayes, Grundy and many others.
Sons:
D.Pearce 82
N.Grima 75
J.Brennan 82
G.Ibbotson 72
K.Jack 105
S.Grigg 100
N.Jones 94
T.Boak 96
I.Maric 93
S.Wellingham 92
L.Dahlhaus 83
A.Fasolo 79
J.Blair 81
D.Prestia 84
C.Young 82
Around 1405. That's what I think of my team. My opinion and probably overrating a little.
McKenzie could replace Ibbo and ave 80 easy.
you're being way too hopeful with pearce. I actually had boak rated higher than you, jones is achievable, but I think a bit lower is more likely. I still dont see prestia as ready to break out yet and marics had an interrupted pre-season. I'm not sure on wellingham. I'd be extremely surprised if blair or fasolo scored that high.
that being said, even by your count you're still in 10th place :P
Prestia averaged 81 unsubbed. Whilst I don't think he will 'fully breakout' this year, I am expecting an average of around 85.
I rate Fasolo. He is 20 or 21 now and he averaged 73. I think he can push 80 easy.
fasolos 21 next year, the major concern with him is that he gets played as a small forward, and, especially with the return of ball, I dont see him getting much more midfield time. As for prestia, sub concerns is always something that has to be considered in fantasy football.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2013, 11:12:28 PM
fasolos 21 next year, the major concern with him is that he gets played as a small forward, and, especially with the return of ball, I dont see him getting much more midfield time. As for prestia, sub concerns is always something that has to be considered in fantasy football.
Prestia only subbed because of injury. No injury = no vests.
Fasolo is yeah 21 this* year haha and Collingwood are going to be a strong side for many years so the ball will be pumped to him a lot.
Quote from: whatlez on January 18, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2013, 11:12:28 PM
fasolos 21 next year, the major concern with him is that he gets played as a small forward, and, especially with the return of ball, I dont see him getting much more midfield time. As for prestia, sub concerns is always something that has to be considered in fantasy football.
Prestia only subbed because of injury. No injury = no vests.
Fasolo is yeah 21 this* year haha and Collingwood are going to be a strong side for many years so the ball will be pumped to him a lot.
I actually thought fasolo was smaller than he is, he's big enough to play substantial mid time... dunno when though, he'll probs need to wait for ball/ swanny to retire first...
and prestia was green vested once.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2013, 12:43:37 AM
Quote from: whatlez on January 18, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2013, 11:12:28 PM
fasolos 21 next year, the major concern with him is that he gets played as a small forward, and, especially with the return of ball, I dont see him getting much more midfield time. As for prestia, sub concerns is always something that has to be considered in fantasy football.
Prestia only subbed because of injury. No injury = no vests.
Fasolo is yeah 21 this* year haha and Collingwood are going to be a strong side for many years so the ball will be pumped to him a lot.
I actually thought fasolo was smaller than he is, he's big enough to play substantial mid time... dunno when though, he'll probs need to wait for ball/ swanny to retire first...
and prestia was green vested once.
Coming back from injury.
And to be fair I took Todd Goldstein in the first round!!! Could of gotten Cotchin! :(
Interested to see how you rated England below Spain zip.
Quote from: whatlez on January 18, 2013, 01:25:46 AM
And to be fair I took Todd Goldstein in the first round!!! Could of gotten Cotchin! :(
well, nobody really rated cotchin back then except me and holz, and he took him the pick before mine :'(
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
Quote from: whatlez on January 18, 2013, 01:25:46 AM
And to be fair I took Todd Goldstein in the first round!!! Could of gotten Cotchin! :(
well, nobody really rated cotchin back then except me and holz, and he took him the pick before mine :'(
I rated Cotchin. I considered him in my DT last year! Would of taken him before rd 3-4 like he survived.
Round 1
1. Nostradamus - Dane Swan
2. Scrads - Gary Ablett Jnr
3. TheMailman - Scott Pendlebury
4. Voldermort - Joel Selwood
5. LaHug - Tom Rockliff
6. Holzman - Bryce Gibbs
7. Ziplock - Marc Murphy
8. Powerbug - Nathan Fyfe
9. MTTY - David Mundy
10. Elephants - Andrew Swallow
11. Torpedo10 - Lance Franklin
12. Ossie/BB - Todd Goldstein
13. Meow - Jack Redden
14. HP - Brendan Goddard
Round 2
15. HP - Travis Cloke
16. Meow - Jobe Watson
17. Ossie/BB - Cyril Rioli
18. Torpedo10 - Matthew Boyd
19. Elephants - Matthew Leuenberger
20. MTTY - Heath Shaw
21. Powerbug - Brett Deledio
22. Ziplock - Ben Mcevoy
23. Holzman - Shane Mumford
24. LaHug - Sam Jacobs
25. Voldermort - Aaron Sandilands
26. TheMailman - Scott Thompson
27. Scrads - Steve Johnson
28. Nostradamus - Patrick Ryder
Round 3
29. Nostradamus - Dyson Heppell
30. Scrads - Dale Thomas
31. TheMailman - Dean Cox
32. Voldermort - Grant Birchall
33. LaHug - Matthew Scukling
34. Holzman _ Matthew Priddis
35. Ziplock - Adam Goodes
36. Powerbug - Heath Scotland
37. MTTY - Zach Smith
38. Elephants - Michael Barlow
39. Torpedo10 - Nic Naituni
40. Ossie/BB - Hamish Hartlet
41. Meow - Ryan Griffen
42. HP - Paul Chapman
Round 4
43. HP - Liam Shiels
44. Meow - Dustin Martin
45. Ossie/BB - Sam Mitchell
46. Torpedo10 - Sam Fisher
47. Elephants - Greg Broughton
48. MTTY - David Zaharakis
49. Powerbug - Steele Sidebottom
50. Ziplock - Jack Grimes
51. Holzman - Trent Cotchin
I would of taken him before pick 51! How much better would I look with Cotchin where he is taken at pick 45 instead :(
Took Cyril with pick 2 and Goldy pick 1. No wonder my team sucks :-[
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 18, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
Interested to see how you rated England below Spain zip.
you'll have to wait and see I guess :P
'49. Powerbug - Steele Sidebottom
50. Ziplock - Jack Grimes
51. Holzman - Trent Cotchin'
like bargain session right there :o
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2013, 01:37:44 AM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 18, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
Interested to see how you rated England below Spain zip.
you'll have to wait and see I guess :P
'49. Powerbug - Steele Sidebottom
50. Ziplock - Jack Grimes
51. Holzman - Trent Cotchin'
like bargain session right there :o
46. Torpedo10 - Sam Fisher
haha lol.
After really looking at Whatlez's team i gotta say his predictions look more realistic imo. Personally I see his guys averaging more then 1400 overall, Guys like Blair, Fasolo, Dalhause and Prestia who Toga rates alot should go alot higher this year..... but its a predictions thread and every opinion is correct :D
All this talk about Cotch i can understand, what a gun and a lucky coach to own such a star!! imagine if he sat next to Redden or .... oh wait he does ;D
Beams > Cotchin :P
If I was in this draft two years ago, I would be top this year. Can't give the blame to me :(
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2013, 01:37:44 AM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 18, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
Interested to see how you rated England below Spain zip.
you'll have to wait and see I guess :P
'49. Powerbug - Steele Sidebottom
50. Ziplock - Jack Grimes
51. Holzman - Trent Cotchin'
like bargain session right there :o
In the end pick 51 got me the guy I would have taken pick 1.
Also I had beams for round 5 and changed last minute for get this injury worries. People said beams probably won't play 22 games so instead I pick a guy who plays zero.
Still I wouldn't have came last so wouldn't have got Barlow and sandi etc....
Beams played 21 games last season... Lol
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 18, 2013, 03:28:38 AM
Beams > Cotchin :P
Really :-\ Beams is good but Cotch has so much more upside ;)
Hey Holz would you have traded Cotch for Beams??
Ive just been going through all the trades and now how see Holz did it, not one premium but Cotchin traded :o It would have been good to see how your younger team progressed though, i remember sending a PM saying how good it was and couldnt believe you came last, Now its premiership time :D
Quote from: Holzman on January 18, 2013, 03:42:25 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2013, 01:37:44 AM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 18, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
Interested to see how you rated England below Spain zip.
you'll have to wait and see I guess :P
'49. Powerbug - Steele Sidebottom
50. Ziplock - Jack Grimes
51. Holzman - Trent Cotchin'
like bargain session right there :o
In the end pick 51 got me the guy I would have taken pick 1.
Also I had beams for round 5 and changed last minute for get this injury worries. People said beams probably won't play 22 games so instead I pick a guy who plays zero.
Still I wouldn't have came last so wouldn't have got Barlow and sandi etc....
Is Sidebottom the only top 15 player that i recruited that's still at Greece?
Also at the time i think they are all decent, rd 4 or 5 (forgot which) of the draft was a shocker.
Quote from: picker_man on January 18, 2013, 04:05:34 AM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 18, 2013, 03:28:38 AM
Beams > Cotchin :P
Really :-\ Beams is good but Cotch has so much more upside ;)
Hey Holz would you have traded Cotch for Beams??
Ive just been going through all the trades and now how see Holz did it, not one premium but Cotchin traded :o It would have been good to see how your younger team progressed though, i remember sending a PM saying how good it was and couldnt believe you came last, Now its premiership time :D
nah maybee im just bitter but i dont trust beams yet. Pendles > Cotchin > Beams
Since there's been a bit of protest from sweden about their ranking, I'm going to give them a spin next. Ftr, I've boosted their original score from around 1500 to 1523- I missed a couple of things, such as mclean in their best 15, and I've also give cox an average boost with nic nat out for 8.
Team: Sweden
Coach: Nails
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 5th, 1523
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Enright 82
Back Newman 75
Back Lake 80
Back Dempster 72
Mid Watson 230
Mid Thompson 108
Mid Tuck 105
Mid Mclean 105
Ruck Cox 103
Fwd Brown 83
Fwd Johnson 100
Fwd Riewoldt 90
Fwd Bartel 95
Util Montagna 93
Util Dal Santo 102
Analysis:
Honestly, I thought that I'd have Sweden a bit higher, unfortunately, they're just sitting a handful of points currently out of the top 4 by my count. Definitely what gives Sweden the leg up is their very impressive midfield cover, to be honest, I think that in the initial draft, meow meow probably did one of the best jobs in the competition- nails and pbs new strategy has changed the team a fair bit, but they're certainly still strong enough to be contenders.
Backs: A classic weakness in most euros teams- the issue with swedens defensive line isn't the fact they have key defenders, or pure spuds like a lot of teams, but that their line is just so old. In their prime, this current line up would be one of the best in the league, but from memory 3 of Swedens top 4 backs are over the age of 30, and this has really shown in score drops. If anything I've been generous with the scoring allocation. While Bock could be swung into defence and provide a small score boost, currently coming back from a serious leg injury, his scoring ability this season is a bit unknown, and, almost as importantly, the current forward line for Sweden is very prone to missing games here and there... he's going to be needed as forward cover most games.
The cover is alright, without being spectacular. Mcdonald and Grimes could be real stars of the future, and it's very good trading and drafting by Nails and PB to secure these two youngsters. Batchelor is young, and might be ok one day. Apart from that, it's pretty touch and go. Tambling is probably the most disappointing top 3 pick ever, Murrphy and Mcpharlin are old, and Newells an unknown quantity. Basically solid bench, would be completely serviceable if it wasn't for the ridiculous age of the starting 4.
Mids:
Following on the frame of the elderly. Watson,Thompson are both beasts and I think my predictions on their scoring are about spot on. I've probably been a little generous to Tuck and NDS, and in Mclean's case it can really go either way. I can see montagna slipping just a little more this year unfortunately.
The cover however is very impressive, basically two 90+ players on the bench in Hayes and Cooney, Treloar, ORourke, Sexton, Mooney as youth. It's pretty solid- only major concern is that there doesnt seem to be any middle tier aged players in like the 24 range.... everyone is pretty much ancient and in their last years, or very young. It's a bit of a concern.
Whilst it's an impressive midfield and utilities, you can definitely see why it doesn't quite stack up to teams like Serbia or Belgium, which, unfortunately for Sweden, is what they needed to compensate for their defensive line.
Rucks: Cox is looking to retain his no.1 mantle, I think a 103 average is about right for the big man. Minson is good cover as an 80 odd ruck, as is Martin, another 70-80 ruck. Mcbean developing, it's a pretty solid ruckline. Impressive to have essentially 3 players who could play no.1 ruck- major win.
Fwds:
A very impressive line, albeit, like a lot of the team, a bit old. Nails will dog about my Brown assessment, but honestly, I think it's spot on, if not generous. His delivery may be a bit better this year, and he'll have a bit of pressure taken off, but his days of 90+ averages are behind him barring a miracle. Stevie J's is about right as well, unless he happens to start getting substantial midfield time (which is unlikely). Bartel could slide a bit more playing more forward, and Riewoldt's is probably a little bit generous.
The cover is pretty good. Bock and Staker to swing back and forward is solid, Staker is a 70+ forward and Bock, if he recovers fully, is 80+. Cameron could really be a beast of the future (that being said, KPF are really hard to judge in their first years), White and Sumner are untried, Blease I'm going to hold on judgement, but he reminds me of Veszpremi... promises a lot, delivers nothing.
Strengths: The midfield. Stacked with premiums, and some to spare. Decent youngsters developing on the bench as well. There's no middle ground for the age which is a concern, but with any luck it'll be alright. The ruckline is also quite impressive, with pretty much three 80+ rucks.
Weaknesses: The age of this squad is ridiculous. Mclean is the youngest player in the starting 15 at 27 years old. The average age of the starting 15 is 30.3... that's pretty insane. Next season this team needs to make the absolute most of the draft to try to compensate for this overaging. Both the Back and Forward line suffer extremely from this. Apart from that, the backline's scoring ability is sub par. Fingers crossed on Grimes and Mcdonald.
How to win the flag: This is the year. Last year Sweden dominated the table, this year, it's going to be difficult. But, if they want to win a flag in the next half a decade, this is probably the last year their window's going to be open, unless they happen to get ridiculously lucky in trades and drafting. They really need mclean to go 110, and for Lake to recapture 90+ form.... one of bock, staker, grimes, Mcdonald needs to go 80+ as well to give the backline a chance, and brown, riewoldt can't afford to slide any more. NDS will need to learn to break a tag, with goddard gone he's going to be copping a flogging.
It's completely plausible for sweden. But it's not going to be easy. Where they win out over the 4 teams in front of them is in superior cover, especially in the midfield.
nonetheless, this team is going to be depending on another injury horror season in the AFL for the flag.
Great thread Holz, l just got home from a week away and its a terrific read. Loving all the team analysis and varying opinions.
There seems to be one thing that might be worth considering in most of the forecasts as far as finals go........late season "resting" of players by certain teams and the quality of cover that we have available. l think this has the potential to be a telling factor in the outcome of our finals. But very hard to put into calculations
I think we're looking at Minson #1 Ruck
And Cox in the fwd line. Therefore making J. Brown a cover fwd as well, boosting our fwd cover.
Dylan Grimes scored like 110 and 90 in his last 2 un-injured games of the season. He's a 90 average defender in 2013. Hidden gem.
Also, while we have an old backline, I do expect Lake to average above 80 at the Hawks, they are back line sluts.
The thing about our backline is the depth, we have a few players that average just as much as our 3rd and 4th backs...
e.g. You have Newman @ 75 and Dempster @ 72
Unsubbed average we have: Bob Murphy @ 71.85 or so
McPharlin @ 72
Staker @ 75ish (imo)
Bock should hit 80-85
Dylan Grimes is good for at least 70 imo (went 74.925 without sub game in 2012 and 110 and 97 in last 2 un-subbed games)
Cross good for mids too (you missed him or called him Cooney, we have both but Cooney isn't 90+)
And with J. Brown, Staker and Bock as fwd cover...
My main point being, other teams can lose 1-2 players and be hurt majorly... Unless we suffer a big injury to Jobe, we barely get hurt at all by injury.
All mentioned cept for Grimes are veteras lol.
dat depth. But we still suck, no chance of Sweden being Top 4, around 6-8 and a 1st round finals exit.
Quote from: Nails on January 18, 2013, 11:50:35 PM
Also, while we have an old backline, I do expect Lake to average above 80 at the Hawks, they are back line sluts.
The thing about our backline is the depth, we have a few players that average just as much as our 3rd and 4th backs...
e.g. You have Newman @ 75 and Dempster @ 72
Unsubbed average we have: Bob Murphy @ 71.85 or so
McPharlin @ 72
Staker @ 75ish (imo)
Bock should hit 80-85
Dylan Grimes is good for at least 70 imo (went 74.925 without sub game in 2012 and 110 and 97 in last 2 un-subbed games)
Cross good for mids too (you missed him or called him Cooney, we have both but Cooney isn't 90+)
And with J. Brown, Staker and Bock as fwd cover...
My main point being, other teams can lose 1-2 players and be hurt majorly... Unless we suffer a big injury to Jobe, we barely get hurt at all by injury.
yeah I think I may have had cross fielded, then I realised I needed mclean in there and slipped him in, but didnt add cross to the bench. Grimes is good for 70, his fitness is a big issue, he's coming off an interrupted preseason.
the issue is, even with your depth, nearly all those players are going to be sliding even more with age, and atm they're average scorers at best. A leg snap like bocks is huge for a professional football player- I would not be surprised if he averaged under 80. The minson/cox/brown thing is a good point, that only slightly increases your average though- puts you on about par with LH.
Euros is Zip's life haha :P
Dat average age too. o.O
Since there was a bit of discussion over my ranking placement of Spain and England, I'll be doing them next ;)
Team: English Lions
Coach: JB Hawks
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 12th, 1347
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back B. Smith 70
Back S. Atley 70
Back Butler 75
Back Hampton 70
Mid Beams 214
Mid Zaharakis 90
Mid Shuey 90
Mid Parker 90
Ruck Smith 83
Fwd Hurley 70
Fwd Wright 80
Fwd Deboer 90
Fwd Howe 80
Util Porplyzia 80
Util Steven 95
Analysis:
England is yet another young team that has seen several coaches go through- it certainly shows a lot of promise, but at the same time is nowhere close to being truly competitive at the moment. However, it definitely has a very solid core side, it might need just a couple more quality youngsters, but JB should easily be able to pick them up this year with his high draft picks.
Back:
Are, unfortunately quite weak. That being said, definitely have potential. Smith and Atley should be coming through in the next brigade of premium defenders, butler however isn't exactly a spring chicken, and he's only ever had reasonable scoring in one season. Hamptons a bit of a punt- the Valkyries actually chased after him in the first two trade periods, since we knew he was going to be given dpp, but unfortunately couldn't secure him. The issue with Hampton is that he's currently playing more of a swingman role, meaning a lot of inconsistent scores can be expected from him. That being said, atm I see him being groomed as a rebounding defender... for a bloke of he's height he's quite athletic- hence why he was taken as a 17 yo selection. He'll be a good player, but DTer.. who knows.
Decent youth on the bench as well, Davis for cover, Darley, Hibberd, Shaw for scoring. Could really be a machine line.
Mids:
Not going to lie, I don't rate beams this year- hence my expected drop in his average down to 107. He'll be back to 110+ probably in 2014/5, but this year... I don't see it. Zaha, Shuey and Parker are all stars of the future. I might have underrated shuey a little, but Zaha I think is about spot on, while Parker has probably been overrated a little. If Rischitelli comes back to his best, I'd expect him to be taking the field. Steven's another young gun, but probs wont average a ton in an ageing saints team.
Mitchell, Beams, Longeran, Hine are all future beasts, and Kerr's solid cover.
Rucks:
Unfortunately, first time I'm going to say I'm not a fan of a teams ruckline. Smith I've been generous to tbh, 83 is achievable by him, but not super likely. Hampson gets played more as a forward, and a very average one, while west is going to have to fight with Vardy for no.2 ruck behind Hmac for a few years. Campbell is still developing. Maybe a good line in 3 years, but atm... pass for me.
Fwds:
Probably one of the more impressive lines. Hurley I don't particularly rate, but to be fair he's had his run of injuries, so I'm backing him in for a career best season this year. Wright's a small forward, and I'm doubtful on his scoring, especially since he should be getting less midfield time. Deboer is good, but probably wont retain dpp for long- that being said, will be great at 90+. Howe should easily hit 80 this year. Porplyzia I've probably overrated a touch, but 80 is achievable.
The forward youth is very impressive, elliot, kennedy, menzel, day, murdoch, saad, lycett, you'd expect at least 3 stars out of that. Definite kudos on building the future there.
Strengths:
The midfield is a definite strength. Great talent, already solid scorers, it should be very scary in a couple of years. The forward lines potential definitely shouldn't be overlooked either- both of those are very impressive. This year however, they're going to be average at best.
Weaknesses:
The ruckline. It could come good, but rucks are so hit and miss. I'm just not a fan. For immediate scoring though, the backline is shocking- should be great in the future, but atm... not so much. I'm not actually sure what I should suggest for drafting options next year, most things seem to be covered... I'd consider trading the first round nat and first round rook for a premium, youngish ruck perhaps, and using the second round picks on talented midfielders/ defenders, just to round it out a little bit more.
How to win the flag:
Seriously, not going to happen this year. You'd need break outs from pretty much every player on the team, it's just extremely unlikely. That being said, in a couple of years, completely plausible. I really rate this line up.
Yes the sons are winning :P.
Jack Steven is assively overrated with high of 83.
Good youth though.
Team: Greek Titans
Coach: Spinking
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 13th, 1255
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Vlaustuin 65
Back B Ellis 65
Back Tapscott 65
Back Myers 70
Mid Sidebottom 210
Mid Hannebery 90
Mid Scully 90
Mid Liberatore 80
Ruck Jolly 81
Fwd Patton 60
Fwd Hall 60
Fwd Giansiracusa 70
Fwd Smedts 69
Util Coniglio 85
Util Black 95
Analysis:
Leaving aside the Fyfe trade, which was an atrocity that never should have ever gone through, the titans have done ok this off season. Left with an ageing list in shambles, which contained far too many port adelaide players to be comfortably with, spink and his team have tried, to the best of their ability, rebuild
Back:
This would have to be the worst defensive line I've seen so far. Vlaustin, Tapscott, Myers all have questionable job security, and Vlaustin, despite being a high draft pick, is a very average fantasy player. The cover isn't much better- kennedy and harwood should get a fair few games, but are poor scorers, while colq and campbell will be fighting it out, but apart from that, I would be surprised if siggins and mcintosh got 3 games between them. I'd expect to see a fair few OOP players in the defensive line for the titans this year.
for the future... It might be ok. Ellis, Vlaustin, Colq should be solid for the future, so you only need really one more to be ok. Currently though, it's not looking good.
Mids:
Probably where the titans excel. Scully, Coniglio, Hannebery and Libba I'm tipping to have little break outs this year, and sidey is already a quasi premium. Black will be a solid scorer if you can avoid the vests. The cover is good as well, toumpas, shiel, mckenzie, lucas, ross for the youth, as well as morabito if he ever recovers. Pearce, Hunt and Corey for cover now. It's a reasonable line.
Rucks:
Pretty concerning. This will probably be jollys last, maybe second last season if he's lucky, and Longer + Redden, while being good and promising, are definitely not first ruck material atm. Going to need a bit of luck here.
Fwds:
Patton will be a star of the future, as will hoskin-elliot and smith (4 giant forward including tomlinson is a bit concerning. Gia's nearly done however, smedts should be ok. Atkins won't be getting a game this year, Milera is good cover, but probably won't ever be a premium. Another really concerning line.
Strengths:
The youth? There's a lot of potential in this team, but so much of it is untried which is a bit concerning. The mids are probably sorted for now however, that's certainly looking pretty solid
Weaknesses:
Somehow, somewhere Greece needs to snare themselves another ruck asap. The forwards are backs probably need one more young talented player each, I'd use the first round picks on those places, and try to grab a bargain ruck somewhere.
How to win the flag:
is just not going to happen this year, atm, I dont see the titans having any substantial 70+ backs or forwards, basically, at this point, even if all 6 mids broke out to dane swans level, they still would only be ranked 3rd. I just can't see it happening. In 3 years, at the earliest, unless they do some exceedingly impressive trading. Lets be honest, I've been extremely optimistic with vlaustin, tapscott and pattons averages to start with.
Best of luck boys, but I can't see 2013 being the year for you.
Underrating a few of my players i reckon Zip. Shuey to push 105, zaha anywhere between 95-105, beamer to go 115+.
Hurley isnt in my starting 15 either, Riska is.
Thanks for that Zip. I'd largely agree on the analysis. I wasn't involved in the Fyfe trade but in the end I'm satisfied that it gave us a number of quality players in exchange for one premium. It's a risk that I hope pays off!
We will definitely just be making up the numbers this season although I'm hopeful that if we get all cattle on the park we might keep some of the finals contenders honest. Our strategy was primarily around bringing in players who would increase in value as we didn't have the firepower to win a flag, but didn't have many developing players.
Very fair feedback. Thanks!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 20, 2013, 09:00:45 PM
Underrating a few of my players i reckon Zip. Shuey to push 105, zaha anywhere between 95-105, beamer to go 115+.
Hurley isnt in my starting 15 either, Riska is.
is riska a forward?
all comes down to personal opinions, but at most one of those will happen this year.
No but im not going to play porps in the utility position ;)
Quote from: Spinking on January 20, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
Thanks for that Zip. I'd largely agree on the analysis. I wasn't involved in the Fyfe trade but in the end I'm satisfied that it gave us a number of quality players in exchange for one premium. It's a risk that I hope pays off!
We will definitely just be making up the numbers this season although I'm hopeful that if we get all cattle on the park we might keep some of the finals contenders honest. Our strategy was primarily around bringing in players who would increase in value as we didn't have the firepower to win a flag, but didn't have many developing players.
Very fair feedback. Thanks!
yeah, I figured that, hope it works.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 20, 2013, 09:42:05 PM
No but im not going to play porps in the utility position ;)
annd ahhh. Makes sense.
providing riska gets back :P
Riski's shower. Won't ave 70
just remembered I meant to do spain, to show england why I rated the stallions slightly above them :P
Team: Spanish Stallions
Coach: Torpedo10
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 11 12th, 1351 1336
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Heppell 95
Back Duigan 60
Back Clarke 65
Back N Smith 70
Mid Dangerfield 100
Mid Rich 90
Mid Kennedy 100
Mid Omeara 80
Ruck Naitanui 90
Fwd Franklin 210
Fwd Darling 90
Fwd McGlynn 75
Fwd Crameri 68
Util Hale 83
Util Jetta 80 60
Analysis:
Yet another victim of the Bashers trading.
Priddis + Wright + Nat 15 for Danger + Obrien + Jetta
It's at this point I realise I've mistaken Leroy for Lewis on the team list, and infact, that would put the stallions at 12th, not 11th. None the less, an analysis is due :P I moved captaincy to franklin as well.
Back:
Spain is basically being carried by heppell here. Clarke is a 70 player at best . Duigan at 60 is about right, and I've probably been generous to smith. Docherty, Baguley are the only bench players of worth as well. It's a very, very poor backline- for both now and for the future.
Mids:
Some recovery made in the mids. Dangerfield is 100+, although not much more from my count. Same with kennedy, for this year anyway. Rich at 90 is probably a bit generous- he isn't a huge possession getter. Big call on O'meara for 80+, but I think he should be able to pull it off. the cover is *alright*, as in for this year, it's terrible, but in future with kavanagh, miles, macrae, it should end up forming nicely.
Rucks:
Probably the only decent line in the time. Nic Nat is injured, but he'll come back at 80+ nonetheless. Moller is going to be good for the future. Hales ok, and Spain is going to really need him for the first couple of months. Mccauley is good cover for hale
Fwds:
Franklin is a beast, and I rate darling. Apart from that, it's a bit touch and go. Mcglynn is amazingly mediocre. Crameri's pretty much the same, as is jetta. Obrien might be ok, same with karnezis and kersten if lucky. Apart from that, not much of note- macraes already been mentioned as decent.
Strengths: The rucks are average, which for the Stallions, is pretty good. The Mids are ok, so that's a definite plus- you can build around those two lines
Weaknesses:
Forwards and backs are both shocking looking atm. There's some elite players in their, but they're supported by mediocre- poor dters. It reminiscent of gary ablett and gc, but without the same potential. These two lines are immediate concerns that need to be addressed over the next two drafts, which seems to be a going trend in the bottom teams.
How to win the flag: absolutely not happening. This team isn't the worst, but its B grade players just don't have the potential to break out into decent players as of yet.
Another late night review Zip......well done man 8)
......hey have you posted your new Z haircut yet?
Haha, Zip it doesnt matter how much you complain, dog and whine the trades won't be changed ::)
Quote from: nostradamus on January 21, 2013, 03:33:45 AM
Another late night review Zip......well done man 8)
......hey have you posted your new Z haircut yet?
yeah, it's on the FB
Quote from: elephants on January 21, 2013, 03:37:09 AM
Haha, Zip it doesnt matter how much you complain, dog and whine the trades won't be changed ::)
I'm just getting the message across so next time people listen to me when trades are obviously one sided.
Shame there are 14 more opinions in this comp besides yours.
Quote from: elephants on January 21, 2013, 04:05:41 AM
Shame there are 14 more opinions in this comp besides yours.
You mean 13 ele
Quote from: Holzman on January 21, 2013, 04:06:52 AM
Quote from: elephants on January 21, 2013, 04:05:41 AM
Shame there are 14 more opinions in this comp besides yours.
You mean 13 ele
nope, your point is now invalid.
I think it's now about time for another top 8 team... I hope everyone's excited, because this one's pretty interesting :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 22, 2013, 02:22:10 AM
I think it's now about time for another top 8 team... I hope everyone's excited, because this one's pretty interesting :P
You should fap more.. Lol.
Team: Russian Roulettes
Coach: Nostradamus
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 2nd, 1554
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Waters 95
Back Hurn 80
Back Yarran 85
Back Burgoyne 80
Mid Swan 260
Mid Ablett 125
Mid Grffen 105
Mid ROK 95
Ruck Bellchambers 84
Fwd Tippett 80
Fwd Chapman 100
Fwd J Riewoldt 92
Fwd Varcoe 78
Util Moloney 93
Util Greene 102
Analysis:
A very impressive midfield, and overall team... It's very easy to see why I've rated Russia a top 2 side. Ftr, I have taken into account Tippett's 12 week suspension: I'm tipping him to explode this year, subsequently that 80 is already supplemented by the assumption a poorer player will have to take his spot.
Back:
That's a pretty strong backline. Waters has establish that, if fit, he's a quality dter. Hurn is 25, and imo, 80 is easily within reach. We all know Yarrans potential, and under malthouse, I reckon he's finally going to his his stride. Burgoyne is old, and he might be beyond it, that being said, I'm personally calling a bit of a last hurrah from some of the hawks oldies.
the biggest concern with this line is its cover- Burgoyne, Yarran and Waters aren't exactly known for their durability, and beyond the best 4, it's a bit thin. Spurr should have ok JS- but poor scoring potential. For Norths sake, I hope Hansen finally shows his ability, but at 25 next year, he's definitely running out of time. Pears sucks. Obrien is average, at best, and Cameron untried and unproven. There's not a substantial amount of future there, and definitely short on reliable cover.
Mids:
The best two dreamteamers in history make up for the short comings of almost any team. Swan and Ablett are machines- if they both fire at the same time, we're talking about nearly 600 points, just from two players. That's pretty insane. Griffen I rate to have a little break out here, although, it could be substantial... ROK is a machine, playing GWS twice, he could definitely fire up big.
The cover is ok, both for the short and long term- Hodge when fit is a 100+ player, Lower is a 80+, Hill has reasonable potential, same with howlett and broadbent. Bell, Mitchell and Hunter should be pretty solid for the future as well. It's a pretty well rounded line, green will be a machine for the next decade, and moloney I'm tipping to bounce back as well.
Rucks:
Definitely hurt a little bit from the loss of tippets dpp, but Kreuzer + Bellchambers should provide immediate reasonable scoring + rucks for a future- good line.
Fwds:
I've already spoken about my rating on tippett. Chappy is a 100 odd player pretty easily, and I think being fed a bit more ball, jvoldt can push 90+. The 4th forward is definitely the place where this team falls off a bit- atm, varcoe, motlop, dickson, reid, gunston, kerridge are just not good enough to really fill this spot in a premiership challenging team. All that being said, I'd be willing to put money on that at least one of these players will go 80+ this year, and there's always the chance any of them could ever go 90+.
The cover in general in this line is superb- youthful, talented, reasonable scoring. It's a very good line.
Strengths:
I'm going to say the forward line- even though the 4th forward lets it down quite a lot, the general youth of this line, yet its scoring power, is very, very impressive. Not only is it going to be probably one of the best forward lines this year, it will probably stay one of the best for many to come. Excellent line up. And you cant not rate a midfield that has ablett and swan. Tippett will probably get ruck eligibility back this year as well, which means the ruckline will also be quite solid.
Weaknesses:
Since I've rated the other 3 lines, it's going to have to be the backline, once again. Not, as for most teams, because of the poor scoring, but rather, just the lack of reasonable cover. I'd spend this draft fixing this line up as best as possible... I'd be tempted to use both the top national and rookie draft picks Russia gets on the defence tbh, although one more talented midfielder wouldn't go amiss.
How to win the flag:
It's definitely in reach for Russia this year, can they go back to back? What they really need to bring it home is no injuries in the backline, either that, or someone like Hansen, Pears, to step up to an 80+ player. With a fully fit team though, I'd say all they need to really cause holz to sweat, is someone like gunston to break out to a high 90s player- completely plausible.
come grandfinal day, anyone can win it, as we'ved seen many times in both the AFL and fantasy games. That being said, in this case, I'd say the top 4-5 are a notch above everyone else... but Russia, and Serbia are also, at this stage, a notch above them as well. Best of luck to nostra- honestly, I think it comes down to his backline this year.
Yarron, ave of 85... Really? You trolling Zip?
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 03:18:58 AM
Yarron, ave of 85... Really? You trolling Zip?
They are his predictions.... but yeah lately alot i dont agree with. Jb's team was way under imo!!!
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 03:18:58 AM
Yarron, ave of 85... Really? You trolling Zip?
we'll see :P
I'm not sure about Waters averaging 95. He is an absolute gun, but he will start the season underdone which will probably hamper his scoring.
Even tbetta from DT Talk reckons he'll only average 86, and he's an Eagles supporter. :o Beau Waters - Deck Of DT 2013 (http://dreamteamtalk.com/2013/01/13/beau-waters-deck-of-dream-team-2013/).
I hope he does smash it for my Asians team though. :) Great work once again Zip.
if he can stay fit, 95 is more than achievable for him- honestly, he could push for closer to 100.
Remember, euros finishes before round 20, so he only needs to stay on the park until then :P
the off seasons injury is a bit concerning... but from memory we dont play round 1 (do we play round 2?), so it should give him a chance to get back into it. I'll back him in- 27 is prime DTing age, and eagles should be significantly stronger this year as well.
You'll also notice that I'm pretty generous to most players- basically, unless I feel pretty positive a player isnt going to increase their average, I'll normally put their average up a handful of points.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 22, 2013, 05:18:26 AM
You'll also notice that I'm pretty generous to most players- basically, unless I feel pretty positive a player isnt going to increase their average, I'll normally put their average up a handful of points.
You had half my team decreasing there average even though there all under 25 :P
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 22, 2013, 08:21:02 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 22, 2013, 05:18:26 AM
You'll also notice that I'm pretty generous to most players- basically, unless I feel pretty positive a player isnt going to increase their average, I'll normally put their average up a handful of points.
You had half my team decreasing there average even though there all under 25 :P
pretty sure I only decreased beams, shuey and wright... and even then, not by much :P
I'm pretty certain about beams and wright as well :P
interesting read Zip im now worried about Russia more than the bashers.
I think not going after ablett will be my downfall. Imagine my team with ablett in it instead of Lids.
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 12:05:55 PM
interesting read Zip im now worried about Russia more than the bashers.
I think not going after ablett will be my downfall. Imagine my team with ablett in it instead of Lids.
Why ??? Its one guys opinion. What happens if someone else does a wirte up on the bashers talking them up instead, will you be worried about them more again??
Quote from: picker_man on January 22, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 12:05:55 PM
interesting read Zip im now worried about Russia more than the bashers.
I think not going after ablett will be my downfall. Imagine my team with ablett in it instead of Lids.
Why ??? Its one guys opinion. What happens if someone else does a wirte up on the bashers talking them up instead, will you be worried about them more again??
No i just have focused on his list before in this much detail. The forward line will probably beat mine reasonablly easy come finals and. Swan and Ablett is the big worry
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: picker_man on January 22, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 12:05:55 PM
interesting read Zip im now worried about Russia more than the bashers.
I think not going after ablett will be my downfall. Imagine my team with ablett in it instead of Lids.
Why ??? Its one guys opinion. What happens if someone else does a wirte up on the bashers talking them up instead, will you be worried about them more again??
No i just have focused on his list before in this much detail. The forward line will probably beat mine reasonablly easy come finals and. Swan and Ablett is the big worry
Fair enough :) I still think the Bashers have a more depth and a solid younger all round team, but its definantly going to be alot more competitve at the top then a few months ago 8)
Have you seen the sons? We had Goldy as pick one for christ sake!!!
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Have you seen the sons? We had Goldy as pick one for christ sake!!!
better than cloke pick 1.
I now have 4 1st round picks. Im hoping they live up to the potential.
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Have you seen the sons? We had Goldy as pick one for christ sake!!!
Goldy traded for Sheuy. Then Shuey traded for Selwood. Then Selwood traded out....... So you could of had a good first round pick
Haha that's cool Holz. I'm happy to fly under the radar ;)
Quote from: elephants on January 22, 2013, 05:46:04 PM
Haha that's cool Holz. I'm happy to fly under the radar ;)
Goo Bashers!! Lol nah.
39 players on the sweden list will drop their averages by a combined 50 points. The 40th player will incrase their average by 50 points and be the steal of the comp.
Quote from: SilkySkills on January 22, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
39 players on the sweden list will drop their averages by a combined 50 points. The 40th player will incrase their average by 50 points and be the steal of the comp.
That's not even possible...
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Have you seen the sons? We had Goldy as pick one for christ sake!!!
My team drafted Mundy in the first round, quit yo whinging aye.
I maintain that lez would have flowered up his first round anyway.
last year my first 3 picks all went down to LTIs lol.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 22, 2013, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Have you seen the sons? We had Goldy as pick one for christ sake!!!
My team drafted Mundy in the first round, quit yo whinging aye.
Holz drafted Mundy in Worlds lol
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 22, 2013, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Have you seen the sons? We had Goldy as pick one for christ sake!!!
My team drafted Mundy in the first round, quit yo whinging aye.
Holz drafted Mundy in Worlds lol
Mundy is suited to SC
Thanks for the write up Zip, awesome job mate.
l agree with you that our backline is the big deficiency, a few injuries there could see us having to play an OOP midfilder there :(
But there is one player there you've discounted that might yet exceed you're expectations, Pears. Apparently he's totally injury free and having his best pre-season ever, when up and going he's in Essendons best 22 so he should end-up being good bench cover.
The Mids, well l dont really have to say anything there....but one big advantage l see come finals time is that l wont be lining up against either Swan or Ablett, who can both influence the result by themselves on any given day
Rucks, yeah they're ok for this year. l do see Belly getting better and l just hope Micky can finally get Kreuzer to live up to his potential
ln the forward line l see Tippett as our joker in the pack come finals time, and looking forward really hope Menzel can get fully fit because the guy could be anything
....again thanks Zip, you're doing a great job with these write-ups mate
Quote from: Ziplock on January 22, 2013, 06:54:28 PM
I maintain that lez would have flowered up his first round anyway.
last year my first 3 picks all went down to LTIs lol.
4 of 5 my first picks were terrible.
1. Gibbs: terrible pick for 2012 lost dpp and averaged like a bench player
2. Mummy: injured most of the year
3. Priddis: just a spud no clue what i was thinking
5. Lecras: injured all year
pick 4 was probably good enough to cover all those terrible picks.
however 2013 should beo n the up.
1. Gibbs: should finally fulfill why i took him pick 6
2: mummy essentailly turns into goddard
3. priddis basically turned into boyd
4. Cotchin turn into pendles
5. Lecras still a spud pickup
you can see why i got the spoon though.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 22, 2013, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 22, 2013, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
Have you seen the sons? We had Goldy as pick one for christ sake!!!
My team drafted Mundy in the first round, quit yo whinging aye.
Holz drafted Mundy in Worlds lol
Mundy is suited to SC
yeah goldy over mundy anyday in DT. He will come good this year though.
First up Mundy i took round 3 in worlds and they had 18 teams so it wasnt that early a pick. It was a good pick he averaged 107 including subs he was averaging 120 in Sc before he got injured in 11
How many more reviews do you have to do zip ? :) will be interesting to see one for your own team ;)
I think there's 6 left... 3 from the top 8, 3 from the bottom 6.
Quote from: whatlez on January 22, 2013, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: SilkySkills on January 22, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
39 players on the sweden list will drop their averages by a combined 50 points. The 40th player will incrase their average by 50 points and be the steal of the comp.
That's not even possible...
Which bit?
Most people don't rate us too much 'cause of a shower backline and expect them to go backwards...
Grimes, Lake and Dempster to all improve IMO.
Swedes are coming for you.
Your a massive chance still imo Nails. Its a very strong team but only problem is, so are Holz, Ele and Nost who all have age on there side in comparisen to you guys. I still think you'll have no probs making semi's and from then on its any one guess :-\
Its actually a really competitive comp and retract any post i made about how it will be boring :P haha
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 22, 2013, 06:54:28 PM
I maintain that lez would have flowered up his first round anyway.
last year my first 3 picks all went down to LTIs lol.
4 of 5 my first picks were terrible.
1. Gibbs: terrible pick for 2012 lost dpp and averaged like a bench player
2. Mummy: injured most of the year
3. Priddis: just a spud no clue what i was thinking
5. Lecras: injured all year
pick 4 was probably good enough to cover all those terrible picks.
however 2013 should beo n the up.
1. Gibbs: should finally fulfill why i took him pick 6
2: mummy essentailly turns into goddard
3. priddis basically turned into boyd
4. Cotchin turn into pendles
5. Lecras still a spud pickup
you can see why i got the spoon though.
Got a gut feel that Lecca will repay the faith you've shown mate. Possibly not instantly but coming off an extended preseason expect him to come home strong.
My opinion anyway :)
Quote from: picker_man on January 22, 2013, 10:34:43 PM
Your a massive chance still imo Nails. Its a very strong team but only problem is, so are Holz, Ele and Nost who all have age on there side in comparisen to you guys. I still think you'll have no probs making semi's and from then on its any one guess :-\
Its actually a really competitive comp and retract any post i made about how it will be boring :P haha
Older =/= lower average
Shane Tuck had his highest average ever as a 30yo last season.
And I think Lake should improve heaps. Thing is like our Dream Teams/SC, each team should get a few injuries here and there, just they can't trade out, other teams have to play lesser averaging players. We don't really have to play that much lesser as we have the (imo) best depth across all teams.
Quote from: Nails on January 22, 2013, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: picker_man on January 22, 2013, 10:34:43 PM
Your a massive chance still imo Nails. Its a very strong team but only problem is, so are Holz, Ele and Nost who all have age on there side in comparisen to you guys. I still think you'll have no probs making semi's and from then on its any one guess :-\
Its actually a really competitive comp and retract any post i made about how it will be boring :P haha
Older =/= lower average
Shane Tuck had his highest average ever as a 30yo last season.
And I think Lake should improve heaps. Thing is like our Dream Teams/SC, each team should get a few injuries here and there, just they can't trade out, other teams have to play lesser averaging players. We don't really have to play that much lesser as we have the (imo) best depth across all teams.
Only reason i mentioned older is becasue during finals in EXV its the last few games of the regular season of AFL where older guys i reckon are a chance to be rested before finals. But as you say you do have good all round depth across every line, hence why i have you as a massive chance ;)
When is the final round this year? Wasn't it like around round 18-19 last year?
Quote from: Nails on January 22, 2013, 10:49:09 PM
When is the final round this year? Wasn't it like around round 18-19 last year?
round 19 is the final home and away game. round 23 is the grandfinal.
lids averaged 139 against essendon last year so would love for him to repeat that. My major worry is if im playing nost in the final Swanny is playing the roos i would tip 150+
Team: Norwegian Trolls
Coach: picker_man
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 8th, 1412
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back S Wright 70
Back S Gilbert 75
Back S Shaw 60
Back W Schofield 65
Mid T Cotchin 220
Mid J Redden 110
Mid R Sloane 100
Mid M Wallis 100
Ruck Giles 90
Fwd T Walker 90
Fwd M Clark 85
Fwd S Higgins 95
Fwd S Edwards 72
Util C Pearce 90
Util B Sewell 90
Analysis:
Ftr, pickers wanted me to do a quick estimate of his 2012 squad as well... for the record, keeping in mind his 2012 squad would have had dpp changes to bloton, mckenzie and so on, I have the trolls 2012 squad at 1429, not that it would have changed their ladder ranking. The loss of Mckenzie, Hibberd, Bock were all unfortunate- and it's left the teams once reasonable backline a bit bare, as well as having reasonable midfield cover seriously depreciate. That's just my personal look on things- that being said, the quality youth in the team is admirable enough, although it's clear it's come at the expense of the defence.
Back:
Sam wright is very average, I've got him for a slight increase, but honestly the introduction of ben jacobs to north could hamper his scoring. Gilbert is really similar, he has scored at a premium level, but clearly has been used in more of a key position as of late which has destroyed his DTing. Sam Shaw is another key defender which is once again terrible for DT, as is schofield.
On the bench, you have B Martin, who can't get a game, chad cornes who's probably going to retire this year, A Moore, who might be alright if he can stay on the park- this year he has more competitors for defensive positions as well. Roberton has been shocking for freo, and really the saints are his last chance. Johncocks career will be over when his contracts up, and he's a poor scorer atm anyway, while ashby is unproven.
Basically, very averaging scoring best 4, with little potential for increasing- theres only 1 none key position defender. The bench has pretty appalling JS and potential- cornes + johncock should both play 15+, but that's about it.
really, really poor line.
Mids:
The starting 6 are pretty solid here. Cotchin, Redden, Sloane, Wallis should all be beasts, I can see this easily being the best midfield in the competition in 2 years. Sewell + Pearce are more than serviceable in the utility position.
The bench is pretty poor though. K Cornes, near the end of his retirement, Rodan isn't much better Neale with questionable JS and scoring potential, sheridan, sheppard, macmillan, kent, arnot, buckley, joyce... it's definitely youthful, but the quality is really suspect.
Rucks:
Giles is a good ruck. Might never be a top 3 ruck, but he'll be a good scorer for a few years. Jamar is apparently being pushed out of the ruck already, and bailey has terrible injury issues and hille is close to retirement. It's a pretty average ruckline.
Fwds:
A pretty strong top 3 forward line, but falls away after there. Walker, Clark, Higgins are all reasonably young, and should be very solid scorers. Edwards is average. Waite is always injured, but when fit, should slot in and form a decent line up.
the cover is pretty average- alright JS, poor scoring potential. Thomas is an average small forward, Green is another small forward, Mcgrath is old, average, lyons will struggle for games, pfeiffer is average.
Should be able to deal with injuries pretty well, but if any happen, the decent looking forward line is going down the drain pretty decent.
Strengths:
The starting mids are very strong, and a bit scary. The best forward line is also very impressive.
Weaknesses:
The cover for this team is appalling. There's clearly been an approach to make it serviceable for the future, there's a not of youth... but hardly any of it is quality. It's going to be a hard road for the trolls- honestly, what they need this year is to chronically underperform, so they can really get some quality, high draft pick players into their side next year.
How to win the flag:
It'd be really hard for the trolls. Their defence is going to be like a lead block on them, and there's hardly any hope for many break outs in their line. Their cover is quite poor as well across pretty much every line excluding the rucks, meaning any injuries is going to hit hard and destroy their scores.
To honestly challenge for the flag.... firstly, they'd need their starting 4 mids to go 110+, which is feasible, and pearce to get close to 100... all of those are possible. Their first 4 forwards, walker, clark, higgins, waite, if fit, can hit 90-100 apiece with a bit of luck. Giles could probably scrape 95, and I suppose Wright could hit 85, and Gilbert 90, depending on his role. That being said, that would be a best case scenario, which would give the trolls an average score of 1515, meaning they could push for top 4.
all of that being said- it's highly unlikely, and that's assuming there's no injuries- poor cover means anyone going down is going to hurt the squad badly. I cant see it happening this year.
According to Monty, Andrew Moore is a mid only. Making the cover even worse...
you do realise Lez going younger means we dont care about cover this year ::)
Anywayz thanks Zip have taken your thoughts on board :)
Quote from: Nails on January 22, 2013, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: picker_man on January 22, 2013, 10:34:43 PM
Your a massive chance still imo Nails. Its a very strong team but only problem is, so are Holz, Ele and Nost who all have age on there side in comparisen to you guys. I still think you'll have no probs making semi's and from then on its any one guess :-\
Its actually a really competitive comp and retract any post i made about how it will be boring :P haha
Older =/= lower average
Shane Tuck had his highest average ever as a 30yo last season.
And I think Lake should improve heaps. Thing is like our Dream Teams/SC, each team should get a few injuries here and there, just they can't trade out, other teams have to play lesser averaging players. We don't really have to play that much lesser as we have the (imo) best depth across all teams.
Tuck was a very specific and isolated case. Ordinarily, you only have late break outs if a player always had the ability, but then had a substantial role change for whatever reason. Tuck's an exception rather than a rule, I looked into him in pretty great depth last year, since I was strongly considering him for my 2012 DT. He'd always had the scoring ability- he'd averaged over 90 for three years straight (08,09,10) including 96.3 in 2010... his problem was that Richmond instigated a youth policy, meaning it became substantially more difficult for a bloke like him to get consistent games- the only way he could push in line with young developing mids like martin, cotchin, lids was the work his guts out, and be significantly better than the rest of his competition.
Subsequently, when richmond removed the youth policy this year, figuring they were a shot for finals (which they were), Tuck had been working his ass off for yonks already, and was already in close to top condition... so when he took the field consistently, he exploded, with the help of a genuine ruck, and improving support in deledio and cotchin. I personally think he might decline a bit this year, although, being said, I rated him for a slight improvement.
It's different for lake- he's going to have to work for a spot, but not to the level tuck did. Also, his role is completely unknown- I cant personally see him playing much kick to kick with the hawks defence, or a rebounding role- they have birchall, suckling, burgoyne for ball movement. What the hawks have really been lacking in is a really solid key defender, that I reckon lake fits in pretty well as. I wouldn't be surprised to see his scores sit in, or even below the 70s... even though I've given him the benefit of the doubt and rated him for 80.
You guys can definitely win, your midfield cover is insane for the short term, however your defence is just so average, it just doesnt stand up to like Gibbs, Goddard, Shaw, Adcock (Fisher, Malceski)
Scotland, Suckling, Duffield, Taylor
Birchall, Stanley, Houli, Reilly
even Waters, Hurn, Yarran, Burgoyne
those are the defensive lines you're competing against with the top teams... and enright, newman, lake, dempster just aren't good enough.
Pickets certainly will have a scary mid on a few years.
Still think Pendles lids Barlow athony swallow can match it.
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: Nails on January 22, 2013, 10:49:09 PM
When is the final round this year? Wasn't it like around round 18-19 last year?
round 19 is the final home and away game. round 23 is the grandfinal.
lids averaged 139 against essendon last year so would love for him to repeat that. My major worry is if im playing nost in the final Swanny is playing the roos i would tip 150+
:)
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 11:34:31 PM
Pickets certainly will have a scary mid on a few years.
Still think Pendles lids Barlow athony swallow can match it.
So can Murphy, Jelwood, Swallow, Fyfe, Priddis and Carrazzo on its day. I feel like the Bashers strength is its even spread of quality so pitting one line against another never looks as good as it could do imo
Quote from: elephants on January 22, 2013, 11:42:00 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 22, 2013, 11:34:31 PM
Pickets certainly will have a scary mid on a few years.
Still think Pendles lids Barlow athony swallow can match it.
So can Murphy, Jelwood, Swallow, Fyfe, Priddis and Carrazzo on its day. I feel like the Bashers strength is its even spread of quality so pitting one line against another never looks as good as it could do imo
Not sure how good carrots will be in a few years but yeah fyfe murphy and selwood are all guns
Quote from: Ziplock on January 22, 2013, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: Nails on January 22, 2013, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: picker_man on January 22, 2013, 10:34:43 PM
Your a massive chance still imo Nails. Its a very strong team but only problem is, so are Holz, Ele and Nost who all have age on there side in comparisen to you guys. I still think you'll have no probs making semi's and from then on its any one guess :-\
Its actually a really competitive comp and retract any post i made about how it will be boring :P haha
Older =/= lower average
Shane Tuck had his highest average ever as a 30yo last season.
And I think Lake should improve heaps. Thing is like our Dream Teams/SC, each team should get a few injuries here and there, just they can't trade out, other teams have to play lesser averaging players. We don't really have to play that much lesser as we have the (imo) best depth across all teams.
Tuck was a very specific and isolated case. Ordinarily, you only have late break outs if a player always had the ability, but then had a substantial role change for whatever reason. Tuck's an exception rather than a rule, I looked into him in pretty great depth last year, since I was strongly considering him for my 2012 DT. He'd always had the scoring ability- he'd averaged over 90 for three years straight (08,09,10) including 96.3 in 2010... his problem was that Richmond instigated a youth policy, meaning it became substantially more difficult for a bloke like him to get consistent games- the only way he could push in line with young developing mids like martin, cotchin, lids was the work his guts out, and be significantly better than the rest of his competition.
Subsequently, when richmond removed the youth policy this year, figuring they were a shot for finals (which they were), Tuck had been working his ass off for yonks already, and was already in close to top condition... so when he took the field consistently, he exploded, with the help of a genuine ruck, and improving support in deledio and cotchin. I personally think he might decline a bit this year, although, being said, I rated him for a slight improvement.
It's different for lake- he's going to have to work for a spot, but not to the level tuck did. Also, his role is completely unknown- I cant personally see him playing much kick to kick with the hawks defence, or a rebounding role- they have birchall, suckling, burgoyne for ball movement. What the hawks have really been lacking in is a really solid key defender, that I reckon lake fits in pretty well as. I wouldn't be surprised to see his scores sit in, or even below the 70s... even though I've given him the benefit of the doubt and rated him for 80.
You guys can definitely win, your midfield cover is insane for the short term, however your defence is just so average, it just doesnt stand up to like Gibbs, Goddard, Shaw, Adcock (Fisher, Malceski)
Scotland, Suckling, Duffield, Taylor
Birchall, Stanley, Houli, Reilly
even Waters, Hurn, Yarran, Burgoyne
those are the defensive lines you're competing against with the top teams... and enright, newman, lake, dempster just aren't good enough.
Ok i have a question Zip, in that post you have Cotchin as improving support...... you also have him as a developing mid but his average in the review has him losing points on this years ave?? I dont get it haha.
And having another look at our teams review really nothing wrong with the averages except the backline which i knew was shower but i picked those players cause i rate them, watch out this year ;) but does having older guys on the field like Bolton, Bock, Koschitzke, Wells, H.Taylor ect that MM had make the team more of a challenge?? cause you seem to say that point in last few reviews
I think having someone younger who ave's 10 ppg less would be more of a challenge this year. But you seem to rate those older guys more, which i dont get!! Chappy goes up in ave by 3 but S.Shaw goes up the same lol ???
There the questions that make me wonder, but as ive said there your predictions and thanks for taking the time to do it :) .... even if it dont make sense to me :P
and also i never traded out Mckenzie MM gave him up for nothing ;)
bolton was completely viable to hold onto as a 90 avg forward, and bock isnt super old. That being said, neither of them were massive losses- although the line up would look better with them.
as for cotchin, I've had him drop less than 1 point in average by that count- which is generous... generally mids have a drop off after their first break out year.
The players of Bock, McKenzie, Bolton did not have DPP when they were traded. Tbh, McKenzie didn't look to get Defence elibability and Bolton I was suprised as Mid/Fwd.
while chapmans proven to average over 100 before, and relatively recently, sam shaw as a KB hasnt.
yeah, and I know all that lez, they were just unfortunate trades. Bolton I saw as getting fwd eligibility ftr..
Quote from: Ziplock on January 23, 2013, 12:13:10 AM
bolton was completely viable to hold onto as a 90 avg forward, and bock isnt super old. That being said, neither of them were massive losses- although the line up would look better with them.
as for cotchin, I've had him drop less than 1 point in average by that count- which is generous... generally mids have a drop off after their first break out year.
Yeah ok i'll leave it at that even though awnsers nothing realy :P I still think your comments for last 4/5 teams are way off but ;)
Do us Zip, do us!
Quote from: Nails on January 22, 2013, 10:23:17 PM
Most people don't rate us too much 'cause of a shower backline and expect them to go backwards...
They are probably right.
*hides*
team: bashers
coach: sum n00bs
team lizt: hoo c@re5
analysis: yo suck n00bl0rd.
I'll do you guys when I get around to you :P
But... But your opinion means so much to our success this season!! :P
Nah, seriously though these are good reads :)
its late, but I'm a bit bored... so I'll do two write ups tonight from the remaining non-top 8 teams... it should be easy enough.
Team: Dutch Dinos
Coach: Hawka
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 14th, 1190
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Goodes 60
Back M Johnson 75
Back Firrito 60
Back Gwilt 70
Mid Palmer 180
Mid Cassisi 75
Mid Embley 90
Mid I Smith 80
Ruck Vardy 60
Fwd Butcher 60
Fwd Daniher 60
Fwd Westhoff 70
Fwd Winderlich 90
Util Whitfield 80
Util Viney 80
Analysis:
Firstly, I'm going to apologise now for any inaccuracy in the Dinos team list, or if I happen to name players on other teams list- from memory, their list was neither ordered positionally, nor up to date (still having leuenberger etc. on the team, despite him being traded). I've done it to the best of my ability though.
This team is definitely a eyebrow raiser. Hawka has been kind enough to post his trade history, so you can actually track the progress of this teams reformation. In my opinion, he did quite a good job... with the exception of two moves- Barlow for Nat 1 was a very unorthodox move- he'd dropped a 100+ player for an untried rookie, although, justifiable. The only true error Hawka made, in my opinion, was the severe undervaluing of rookie picks- for instance, trading the second rookie pick (golby, parker, jetta, any number of extremely talented young players) for national 9 + 38 (viney + murdoch) was a pretty poor calculation from my view- someone like parker has shown more potential than viney, but is substantially more developed as well.
You see this undervaluing again when Hawka trades rookie 27 + 44 (Bird, Elliot, Kennedy etc. and Milera, Stringer, Lucas, Green) for national 34 and 36, which ended up being currie + corr. A couple of seriously wasted opportunities there. Nonetheless, here's a break down of the current squad.
Back: I've been pretty kind to Goodes, assuming that he's reaching a 60 average. Lets face it- in that starting 4 there's neither good scorers, nor the potential for good scorers... gwilt at 70 is also being generous, johnson at 75 might be a little harsh, but he's 29 and has only averaged over 75 once. Firrito at 60 is about right. Those are all ollllld backs, and not good ones, even in their prime.
Unfortunately, the cover doesn't really help. The 3 of the young and talented players, plowman, smith, hombsch are KPB... as possible dreamteam options, there's only really buntine. Hooker and Dawson are both KPB as well, while Oshea, Markcovic and Buckley are nothing to write home about. Over all, with little future, and no immediate scoring ability, this would have to be the worst line in the league.
Mids:
Are a little bit better. I've been generous to palmer at a 90 average and embley at 95. Smith should be ok for a while, he's pretty young, and whitfield, viney, stringer, crouch will all be future guns- anderson could very well be up there too. It'd probably be the midfield with one of the biggest potentials. Atm though, they dont have even close to a 100+ player- it's definitely a project line.
Rucks:
Terrible. Vardy does not have good JS- competing with west for R2 at geelong, and with injury concerns, and Sellar/ Currie hardly inspire confidence.
Fwds:
The starting 4 are scraping the barrel- two young key forwards, one old key forward, and one old and injury prone forward/ mid. The bench isnt much better, there's only a handful of players with good JS (Garlett, Milne), and almost no potential youth (J Hill? Crozier?).
Strengths:
The midfield. Whitfield, Viney, Stringer, Crouch is amazing.
Weaknesses:
Every other line. The forwards and especially the backs are the immediate concerns though. These issues arent just addressable in one draft though, it's going to be a few years before the dinos are looking competitive at all.
How to win the flag:
It wont happen. Like, it's close to impossible. I'll seriously consider quitting fantasy football altogether if this team wins the premiership.
What would they need though? All of their defenders to go 90+ (not happening, they're most KPB). Huge break outs from their midfielders, vardy to go at least 80+ and every forward to go 90-100.
seriously, I'd probably just give up on fantasy footy completely if that happened.
Team: Iceland Polar Bears
Coach: Hellopplz
Predicted Ranking and Average Score:
9th, 1406
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Best 15
Back Harbrow 80
Mackie 80
Dempsey 75
Watts 90
Mid S Selwood 200
Mcveigh 91
Judd 90
Bennell 90
Ruck Mumford 90
For Lewis 90
Gray 90
Adams 85
Mayne 85
Util Griffin 80
Wells 90
Analysis:
This is probably the best and most consistently rounded team in the competition. Unfortunately, that's come at a price- all the players are very solid, and I wouldn't be surprised to see iceland crack the 8... but they're lacking any superstars in any position.
Back:
Harbrown, Mackie are both getting on in years, but they should still put up 80+ scores this year. Dempsey I don't see exploding this year, but I suppose he could go to that 80 zone soon. Watts I'm predicting for a huge year, 90+ is completely viable.
Unfortunately, the cover isn't amazing, there doesn't really seem to be many young HBs there... most of HPs bench is taken up by KPB like grundy, carlisle, rance, thompson, talia. Forster and osborne are both untried, and have dodgy, at best, job security.
Mids:
Once again, good, without being amazing. Selwood really came of age this year, and I'm expecting him to back it up with 100+. Mcveigh, Judd are reaching the end of their careers, and wells wouldn't be far behind, but they'll all be decent scorers for a few more years. Bennell is really solid, he'll be great in a couple of years.
the bench is nearly as impressive, absolutely littered with talent- duncan, tyson, wingard, polec, sumner. Then you have Ray, Hocking for JS, and barry as a more speculative pick. Really well structured- only really missing maybe one 110+ player.
Rucks:
Once again, impressive. Mumford for scoring, Griffin for immediate future, Warnock for JS and Gorringe for long term prospects. Good job HP.
Fwds:
Lewis, Adams are proven beasts. Gray should be able to scrape 90 fully fit, and Mayne I'm tipping to improve again.
Dawes I'm also tipping for an improvement- he could really surprise some people and become a genuine premium at melbourne.
Unfortunately, past stanley, it becomes a little thinner- jaksch and stewart are both long term prospects... and with patton/ cameron up front, if they fit at all, they'll be developed as key backs. The remaining players aren't exactly much to talk about either, all showing some signs of maybe being ok... but not really cracking into their respective sides regularly.
Strengths: I'm starting to sound like a broken record for this. The mids. Solid cover for the moment, a good 5 or so youngsters who'll be premium players eventually.. it's quite decent.
Weaknesses:
Once again- broken record. Defenders. I'm starting to feel like it's the make or break euro line. The starting line up is ok atm, but imo HP really needs to try and nail some talented youngsters as soon as possible- he just doesn't have the cover for harbrow/ mackies retirements currently.
How to win the flag:
It's plausible- more so for iceland than several teams above him. HP basically needs his older players to get back to their best, and for a couple of youngsters to really step up. A genuine captain option would put him in the running as well. It's not probable this year, but next year? definitely a name to remember.
that leaves just three teams left, the ones you've all been eager for, the biggest hitters in the league- the eagles, bashers (and valkyries :P )
nice write up in iceland zippy
yeah HP done a great job with the mids good for the future
11 quality reads but im really looking forward to the next 3. having a read of these discussions I worked out a few wekanesses in my team.
I had a look to see what my 2015 squad will look like assuming anyone over 30 is retired and I have done zero trades and got no draft picks (im likely getting late picks anyway). Guys in bold will be old and only inclusing guys i rate.
should be a good way to work out my long term weaknesses.
Goddard, Shaw, Adcock, Gibbs (Siposs, R,Lester, T.Clurey, C.Dixon, M.Weller)
S.Pendlebury, B.Deledio, M.Barlow, L.Athony (Nobody)
T.Goldstien (Z.Clarke)
M.Lecras, T.Cloke, J.Hogan, K.Harper (A.Walker, R.Tarrant)
D.Swallow, R.Douglas
What this tells me is i need to draft mids badly, quality will still be there but i need some young guys. Ruck line is set for a long long time. backs will still be good in 2015 but 3 of my starters will be old so I need the bench to step up, I have high hopes for siposs.
forwards I actually think are alright long term, I drafted hogan for this reason and harper is getting groomed for Boomers role.
Just curious Zip, you rated my backline as my biggest weakness but after reviewing most if the other teams what do you think of my top 5 being Broughton, Hartlett, Pederson, Guerra, Howard now ? :)
Great reads there Zip. The reaction if the Dino's win would be hilarious ;D
Ummm just one thing. In the Iceland one you said HP needs some youth to cover the retirements of Mackie and Harbrow. You know Harbrow is just 24, right?
Harbrow to retire? Dafuq?
Maybe when you do your team with PearceHanley, he must only have 2 years left on him.
I would like say that Palmer will not average 90!! He's known as spud Palmer.
Quote from: whatlez on January 23, 2013, 02:20:21 PM
Harbrow to retire? Dafuq?
Maybe when you do your team with PearceHanley, he must only have 2 years left on him.
I would like say that Palmer will not average 90!! He's known as spud Palmer.
hahaha! yeah I failed really bad then. I hadn't slept yet, and it was like 7am... I think I was getting harbrow mixed up with campbell brown in my head.
and scrads- yeah, it isnt as bad as I initially said.
as for palmers.. I was feeling sorry for them... :P
bashers vs eagles coming up :P
Team: Belgium Bashers
Coach: Elephants
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 3rd, 1530
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Birchall 88
Back Stanley 90
Back Houli 80
Back Reilly 75
Mid Murphy 220
Mid Selwood 107
Mid Swallow 107
Mid Fyfe 105
Ruck Mcintosh 85
Fwd Thomas 95
Fwd Robinson 110
Fwd Rioli 90
Fwd Pavlich 90
Util Priddis 95
Util Carrazzo 93
Analysis:
The Bashers- the most frustrating team in the competition, three hyper-active coaches means a constant bombardment of various trade offers, and several trade rules favoured them very heavily this year. All those offers, combined with the fact that the bashers rarely traded unless the head coach, and assistants ric and FARK, were all in favour of the trade meant that Belgium on several occasions had trades in which, in my opinions, they won unfairly in... trades that would have been blocked if the rest of the competition wasn't so complacent, and, I suspect, if the Bashers weren't colluding with teams like Scotland.
with that out of the way, since it's all done and dusted, and the fyfe trade, dangerfield trade etc. can't be reversed, lets look into the squad they've managed to assemble
Back:
Easily the bashers weakest line, like many other teams. That being said, it's still quite strong. Stanley is a 90 average defender, personally I was surprised to see him improve his average off 2011, but I'd be quite shocked if he managed to increase once again- I think 90 is about his area, especially since he'll be vying for various positions with new players such as broughton, probably rotating through hb and a lockdown role.... that being said, it's definitely a worthwhile score. Unfortunately, I can't see Birchall increasing much on his score either- natural progression at his age should see a slight improvement, but I think lake is going to receiving the ball occasionally in his place, which'll keep him down to where he is at the moment. Reilly is old and average at best. The Bashers rate houli, but really he's a bit average as a scorer- I think the beard weighs him down, 80 is around his mark.
The cover doesn't really do the starting defenders justice. Nicholson is solid and shows some potential, and having both him and Terlich is definitely a good pair- one of them will probably always be playing. Terlich however is untried, and his potential a bit hard to guage, while Nicholson without a cemented spot could become everything- an 80 average back would be great, but if he moves into the mids, he loses all his value in subsequent seasons. The rest of the cover isn't much to talk about- Shaw is reaching the end of his career. Guthrie, Jonas are average scorers, Prudden is untried, and a little light weight atm. Bews has average job security, and is a poor DTer in VFL anyway, while allens JS is pretty poor.
Overall, luckily the starting three for the bashers are all reasonable aged and decent scorers, however they have almost no cover to really step up and support them as another premium... all hopes would be banked on nicholson at this stage.
Mids:
The Bashers midfield is really quite impressive. Murphy, Selwood, Swallow, Fyfe are some of the best youngsters going around- although there are concerns on all of them... Fyfe with injuries, Selwood with concussions and difficulties being the number 1 tag, Swallows low possession count, relying on tackles to really boost his scoring, and murphys inability to handle a tag. (For the record, I'll give the bashers a piece of free advice here- when carlton play the saints, not only don't captain murphy, don't even field him. He's a lead weight.). Older and more average players in Carrazzo, Priddis fill the utility line, but are more than serviceable.
On the bench, Gibson looks like a solid scorer, as is Rosa. Horsley could be decent, but he's a bit average atm... good cover though. Stark is tiny, and I doubt he can crack the Dees line up, Jones and Llyod are clearly mature aged punts, attempting to score another gibson/ horsely... I have my doubts about both though.
Rucks:
Not the best of rucklines. Hmac is a solid scorer when fit. Which isn't often. He's 29 next year and has scraped a 90 average twice. His average last year was greatly boosted by 2/3 of his tons coming from gws/ gold coast. He only averaged 80 without those two games. Naturally geelong plays both teams this year, but assuming he plays a full season (not guaranteed), with a larger pool size of sample scores, his average wont be as distorted as it was last year, having only played 7 games.
Lobbe and Renouf are a reasonable combination- I mean, both suck as players, but ports dodgy ruck stocks mean that one of them should play every game... so when hmac goes down, at least a ruck can take the field. Hannath is a long term prospect... that being said, atm as a ruck he's far down the pecking order, I mean, sandilands, griffin, Clarke, Bradley, Moller all in front of him for a rucking spot.
Fwds:
Belgium excel here. Thomas might be a bit underrated, although I've taken into account the fact he's had almost no pre-season. At the same time, I'm surprised I've rated robinson so highly... actually, really surprised. Anyway, I can see him breaking 100 this year. Rioli is injury prone, and he never plays extended midfield time, since his hammies just snap instantly- 90 is about right. Personally in pavlich's case, I'm seeing a slight drop off this year, since he's had surgery in 3 places, I see him starting a bit slowly, and probably being rested against weaker teams to conserve him a bit.
The cover's alright, without being fantastic. Jpod will probably retire at the end of this year, Bird could one day be a reasonable scorer, he's probably a major part of the forward future, providing he retains eligibility- which isn't guarenteed for him, robinson or thomas. Knights is pretty average, lynch even more so. Crisp is young enough that I'll withhold judgement, he hardly looks like a superstar atm though. Sinclair is in the some boat, as is Horlin-Smith and Cripps. Basically, I would expect only one premium at maxium, from that talent pool.
Strengths: The midfield and forward line are pretty full of heavy hitters, especially impressive given the youth of the midfield, if it comes together it could be quite scary for quite some time.
Weaknesses:
Basically, cover. Immediate cover is alright, JS for several players in each line will be enough to field a full team each week, but the scoring potential is a bit thin for every line. On top of that (thankfully, considering the bashers aren't exactly an old team), there's not a lot of quality youth... with the exception of nicholson, there's probably nobody on the bench that has the potential to become a premium at this stage. The ruckline is probably the most immediate concern, followed by the defence.
How to win the flag:
Completely plausible, although the bashers will need some luck. They don't have the depth of teams like russia, or the scoring potential of serbia. Basically, they need an injury free season, and/or nicholson to go 85+ and one of swallow/ fyfe/selwood to go 115+. All of that's viable, but as I said... luck is definitely a major component.
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or I'm just retarded. (Most likely)
one of the two :P
Fixed.
I'd much rather have 'hyper-active coaches that want to be involved in the Bashers than assistants that could give a flower less. ;)
Quote from: elephants on January 24, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or I'm just retarded. (Most likely)
one of the two :P
Fixed.
I'd much rather have 'hyper-active coaches that want to be involved in the Bashers than assistants that could give a flower less. ;)
the bashers certinaly add abit of spice to this comp, as you said too active is better than not very active.
for you it's a definite bonus. For everyone else...
the amount of times I've wanted to bang my head repeatedly against the wall after receiving one of farks showerhouse offers...
the only thing that stops me is that I dont want to injure myself and end up like him...
Haha, you're right. A comp where there are no rivalries and people seem inactive and uninterested is much better.
You mightn't want to believe it but Fark (with his controversial opinions and claims) is good for the comp - generates some discussion, some competition. Like, Fark probably would have pissed off at least 95% of the comp at some point or another. Thus, when people play as they genuinely wanna beat us.
Everyone needs a Collingwood. The Bashers are that Collingwood.
yeah, I guess that makes sense... collingwood are barely a top 4 side afterall... :P
Who are the Sons? Like Saint Kilda? lol.
melbourne? :P
and the Eagles are the 07 Cats.
06 didnt even make finals.
07 bang premiership than domination.
Quote from: Holzman on January 24, 2013, 07:29:36 PM
and the Eagles are the 07 Cats.
06 didnt even make finals.
07 bang premiership than domination.
Settle down Tiger ;)
Quote from: elephants on January 24, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 24, 2013, 07:29:36 PM
and the Eagles are the 07 Cats.
06 didnt even make finals.
07 bang premiership than domination.
Settle down Tiger ;)
bashers can be stkilda alway up the top just never winning it.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Bit harsh calling us all retards :( lol. You do realise you gave them Murphy and i reckon was close to worse trade of the
lot.... :P
Bashers should be commended for there trading. With everyone trying to improve there team and taking comps more seriously its hard to win a trade these days but they were able to do it time after time. Only people you should have a go at is the other teams involved who accepted the trades (like yourself haha) cause if anyone else was able to negotiate such good trades they would of taken them too ;)
Quote from: Holzman on January 24, 2013, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: elephants on January 24, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Holzman on January 24, 2013, 07:29:36 PM
and the Eagles are the 07 Cats.
06 didnt even make finals.
07 bang premiership than domination.
Settle down Tiger ;)
bashers can be stkilda alway up the top just never winning it.
Nah we are Collingwood I already said ;)
Fark is Eddie McGuire
I'm Mick (but I'm not leaving)
Ric is Bucks
Quote from: picker_man on January 24, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Bit harsh calling us all retards :( lol. You do realise you gave them Murphy and i reckon was close to worse trade of the
lot.... :P
Bashers should be commended for there trading. With everyone trying to improve there team and taking comps more seriously its hard to win a trade these days but they were able to do it time after time. Only people you should have a go at is the other teams involved who accepted the trades (like yourself haha) cause if anyone else was able to negotiate such good trades they would of taken them too ;)
yes bashers were the only team to dominate the trades ;)
I love how they deflect the focus away from me
I'm Richmond. Never make the finals :P Come 9th.
Quote from: picker_man on January 24, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Bit harsh calling us all retards :( lol. You do realise you gave them Murphy and i reckon was close to worse trade of the
lot.... :P
Bashers should be commended for there trading. With everyone trying to improve there team and taking comps more seriously its hard to win a trade these days but they were able to do it time after time. Only people you should have a go at is the other teams involved who accepted the trades (like yourself haha) cause if anyone else was able to negotiate such good trades they would of taken them too ;)
Thanks mate :)
Quote from: Holzman on January 24, 2013, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: picker_man on January 24, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Bit harsh calling us all retards :( lol. You do realise you gave them Murphy and i reckon was close to worse trade of the
lot.... :P
Bashers should be commended for there trading. With everyone trying to improve there team and taking comps more seriously its hard to win a trade these days but they were able to do it time after time. Only people you should have a go at is the other teams involved who accepted the trades (like yourself haha) cause if anyone else was able to negotiate such good trades they would of taken them too ;)
yes bashers were the only team to dominate the trades ;)
I love how they deflect the focus away from me
Hahah we are the Pies, everyone should be focusing on us ;)
Quote from: Holzman on January 24, 2013, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: picker_man on January 24, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Bit harsh calling us all retards :( lol. You do realise you gave them Murphy and i reckon was close to worse trade of the
lot.... :P
Bashers should be commended for there trading. With everyone trying to improve there team and taking comps more seriously its hard to win a trade these days but they were able to do it time after time. Only people you should have a go at is the other teams involved who accepted the trades (like yourself haha) cause if anyone else was able to negotiate such good trades they would of taken them too ;)
yes bashers were the only team to dominate the trades ;)
I love how they deflect the focus away from me
your administrator Holz you can do what you want lol
Quote from: picker_man on January 24, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Bit harsh calling us all retards :( lol. You do realise you gave them Murphy and i reckon was close to worse trade of the
lot.... :P
Bashers should be commended for there trading. With everyone trying to improve there team and taking comps more seriously its hard to win a trade these days but they were able to do it time after time. Only people you should have a go at is the other teams involved who accepted the trades (like yourself haha) cause if anyone else was able to negotiate such good trades they would of taken them too ;)
I dont know, I got towers, lee, lynch and adams for him... I was pretty happy with that. If adams had retained dpp I would have called it a clear win for me :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: picker_man on January 24, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 24, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Lol pretty much what I expected ::)
Get over the trades mate. They were passed when they went to vote which means others thought they weren't that bad
On the predictions, they're pretty fair. Obviously we rate some guys a little higher but yours are reasonable
Collusion.
or everyones just retarded.
one of the two :P
Bit harsh calling us all retards :( lol. You do realise you gave them Murphy and i reckon was close to worse trade of the
lot.... :P
Bashers should be commended for there trading. With everyone trying to improve there team and taking comps more seriously its hard to win a trade these days but they were able to do it time after time. Only people you should have a go at is the other teams involved who accepted the trades (like yourself haha) cause if anyone else was able to negotiate such good trades they would of taken them too ;)
I dont know, I got towers, lee, lynch and adams for him... I was pretty happy with that. If adams had retained dpp I would have called it a clear win for me :P
4 fringe players for a captain. Not even close to a win for you.
Has Zip done his Euros team yet?
Quote from: whatlez on January 24, 2013, 08:28:34 PM
Has Zip done his Euros team yet?
nope eagles and valkeyries to go
Quote from: Holzman on January 24, 2013, 08:29:39 PM
Quote from: whatlez on January 24, 2013, 08:28:34 PM
Has Zip done his Euros team yet?
nope eagles and valkeyries to go
Well whatever Zip gives himself, take 100 off and I think it's spot on.
Where is Zip?
Bashers could be in a bit of strife...daisy and pav both carrying injuries, fyfe and murphy coming off shoulder injuries and then mitch robbo getting in a fight at big day out!!!
Fyfe back in full training and has put on 4kgs and is primed for a big year.
Robbo copped community service and a fine for his involvement in the smash at BDO.
Pav doing everything possible to be fit for round 1. He's been training and I'm confident he will get up. Still about 9 weeks till rd 1!
Daisy also progressing well, he's my main concern but he's been doing more and more training and chances are he will be up for round 1.
Marc back to full training since Xmas. He good ;)
Games don't start up until round 2 anyways and depth isn't an issue ;)
Up the Bashers!
Fyfe, Murphy and Robbo are all in my DT. I hope they're fit and firing by round 1!
Quote from: Adamant on January 28, 2013, 07:07:20 PM
Fyfe, Murphy and Robbo are all in my DT. I hope they're fit and firing by round 1!
Haha yep! Those three and Daisy for me!
Quote from: elephants on January 28, 2013, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: Adamant on January 28, 2013, 07:07:20 PM
Fyfe, Murphy and Robbo are all in my DT. I hope they're fit and firing by round 1!
Haha yep! Those three and Daisy for me!
Yeah, I had Daisy locked, but I think he'll be really underdone by round 1 (if he makes it), and it'll probably hamper his scoring. Upgrade target for me now.
Team: Serbian Eagles
Coach: Holzman
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 1st, 1598
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Gibbs 110
Back Goddard 110
Back h Shaw 93
Back Adcock 85
Mid Pendlebury 232
Mid Boyd 115
Mid Deledio 110
Mid Barlow 108
Ruck Goldstein 90
Fwd Cloke 95
Fwd Lecras 85
Fwd Harvey 85
Fwd Petrie 85
Util Anthony 100
Util Sandilands 95
Analysis:
Easily the best team in the competition in my opinion. Is lacking slightly in forward scoring power and cover, but the remaining lines easily cover that deficiency. Several ageing players, notably boyd, harvey, petrie, sandilands means the team is going to be struggling in a few year, especially considering holz wont be getting any high draft picks for a while, with the only notable quality youth being swallow, siposs and hogan.
Back:
Best backline in the competition by a mile. Gibbs, Goddard will the the number 1 and 2 scoring backs this season comfortably imo, although loss of DPP could be a concern. Shaw is in his DT prime, and adcock is just about to hit it too. Fisher, Malceski are solid scoring cover, thompson is good JS cover, with dixon and weller as hopeful future prospects. Overall, very good for the immediate term. Considering 3/4 of the starting backs are around 28 though, the age distribution is a little uneven.
Mids:
Easily the best midfield in the competition as well. 116 for pendles might be selling him short, 115 for boyd should be about right, and deledios average could go a couple eitherway. A fully fit barlow should be able to go 110+ as well, but I'll drop him down a couple just in case. Anthony is a machine as well when he can make norths 21, which isnt guarenteed, not that it changes much for holz, since swallow will be right up there this year as well. Simpson is solid scoring cover, same with douglas, and mortan as a smokie. Pretty solid.
Rucks:
Maybe a little thin on cover, that being said, goldstein + sandilands is definitely a premium combination. Clarke is alright cover, but not spectacular- no massive deal though, since if one goes down Swallow can cover in the utility. Probably need to add to the ruck stocks soon though.
Fwds:
Definitely the weak point here. Harvey is olllld, and petrie is getting there as well. I think that they both should hold pretty firm around the 85 mark though with better delivery from a developing midfield. Cloke I'm tipping to get back to his quasi premium best, while 85 for lecras is definitely reachable, although coming off a serious injury, is a bit touch and go.
Siposs should be great forward cover this year, I can see him averaging 80+ (like he did unsubbed in 2012), and walker averaged 80 without injury this year (albeit, he gets injured every year). Apart from that, it's a bit thin on scoring and JS. Tarrant + harper are ok with JS, but average scorers, while schneiders a pretty decent scorer, averaged 80 odd unsubbed, but his JS is a bit shakier with milera, saad etc.
Strengths: The starting backs are insane. The midfield is pretty sublime as well- if I had to pick one though, I'd go mids- they're just that little bit younger than the defence, with swallow for the future as well.
Weaknesses:
the forward line is going to suffer in a couple of years, I think that should be addressed immediately by Holz. The rucks could do with a little more youth as well. Basically, he has to put talented youth into his lines or he's going to burn out hard in a couple of years.
How to win the flag:
If in the hypothetical scenario where there were no injuries to any player in any euro team this year, holz would run away with it. I'd still back him in for the favourite though- he'd need to be pretty unlucky to lose. He can weather probably two LTIs in his backline (providing it's not to both goddard and gibbs), one to the ruck or mid and probably one/two to the forward line and still be a top two team by my count.
despite how russia and belgium talk themselves up, he's definitely the man the beat this season.
that leaves just one write up left, for the best team of all :P
A few inflated predictions there in my opinion Zip but who am I to question the great man ;)
Quote from: elephants on January 28, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
A few inflated predictions there in my opinion Zip but who am I to question the great man ;)
Agreed, a few of those were too high IMO. Nonetheless the team to beat for mine.
Hmm that forward is scoring well higher than like their career averages... lol.
That's the one I have been waiting for premium as usual zip. I think you might be overestimating the back line abit but no doubt those guys are capable of doing it.
You bring up a good point I can see Gibbs or Goddard losing dpp. Siposs will switch back there.
As you said cloke will improve next year if he can go back to 2011 I'm not sure. Lecras I feel will be a boom or bust up front.
I actually think goldy can go 95 and sandi 100. The ruck line minus sandi isn't very deep but I'm betting on goldy staying super durable.
The mid will be one of the best for a long time. I will be targeting backs and forwards in the drafts , they will hopefully be pick 14s though.
Harper is a guy I think everyone underrates I'm tipping 80+ in a few years. Picking hogan was a huge risk as I'm not sure if he will be a good fantasy player but I need young forwards as you said.
I just hope lecras has a strong year , than I will give him to the bashers I'm sure I can talk lez into picking him :)
Team: Vatican Valkyries
Coach: Ziplock
Predicted Ranking and Average Score: 6th, 1486
Scoring Breakdown including captain bonus:
Back Grimes 100
Back Hanley 100
Back Golby 85
Back Bugg 80
Mid Ward 210
Mid Ziebell 105
Mid Trengove 90
Mid Gaff 98
Ruck Mcevoy 93
Fwd Goodes 100
Fwd Christensen 85
Fwd Hawkins 85
Fwd Krakouer 75
Util Cunnington 90
Util Bastinac 90
Analysis:
Probably the best team in the current competition- strong enough to be competitive, but with an insane amount of potential to improve. That being said, without any improvement this year, the valkyries could be in substantial strife- their starting 15 average points only amounts to 1305 ppg... which would drop the team as far down as 12th. That being said, the valkyries have, like many sides, substantial amounts of youth. Unlike most sides however, the majority of the youth is of extremely high quality.
Back:
The Valkyries, also known colloquially as 'Full of Jack' lead by the intelligent coach, foresaw backline deficiencies as being the major weakness in most euros squad, and so spent a lot of the trading and drafting periods preventing this occurrence from affecting the team.
Jack Grimes is a top 3 defender, people say he'll lose his defensive eligiblity with all the midfield he plays... however, after getting back to match fitness (after having no preseason and averaging 65 over the first three rounds), grimes averaged over 96 for the rest of the year, but most importantly, this was done without substantial midfield time- he didn't even play enough midfield to be granted mid eligibility. With a proper pre-season under his belt, as a 24 year old Grimes should easily be able to push his average to 100+, especially considering it's looking like he's over his injury concerns.
Pearce Hanley is a top 10 defender as it is. Keeping in mind he's from ireland, and still learning the game, that's a pretty big achievement. His biggest concern at this time is consistency, which is to be expected from an irish recruit. That being said, I'm tipping him for a big year- for a defender he's shown a massive ceiling close to 140- if he can cut out some of his poorer games, he's going to be right up there with the 3Gs, grimes, gibbs and goddard this year.
Golby is another brisbane lions defender, and he should be able to slot straight into drummonds spot. A 74 average is certainly nothing to sneeze at from a second year player, and he's shown the ability to dominate against weaker teams... fully fit, with an improving brisbane side and a HB role, his scores are just going to go up- 85 is probably a little generous, but 80+ is easily achievable.
Bugg with a 70 odd first year average is also very impressive, all he needs to do is hold down his spot in GWS, and a big improvement should come through for him as well this year- a pre selected 17 year old, he really showed how he was one of the best youths in the country.
However, the fun doesn't end there for the Valkyries- their bench is every bit as impressive as their field. Jacobs at north should show huge improvement, and the first round selection could honestly become close to premium this year. Armstrong, in a few years when he cements into the swans defensive line, will, as he's shown before, be a quite solid scorer. Pittard is a highly talented half back, who's been struck down by injury, while Laird is an extremely young and highly rated defender for adelaide. Frosts elevation to the senior list, coupled with his his versatility makes him solid cover, while Roughead has been tipped to take over Lakes role, hopefully emulating some of Brians old scoring. Jackson Trengove might never be an amazing DTer, but fit he'll play 22 and cover and injuries/ suspensions. Veszpremi is probably the biggest darkhorse in the lot- he showed he had potential once, the only question is whether or not he can live up to it.
Overall, it's a pretty impressive line- even more so by the fact the oldest player isnt even 25 yet.
Mids:
Another line littered with talent. By my count there's around 10 (including Haynes's dpp) top 20 draft picks there, and their all pretty damn good quality.
Ward has shown already just what he can do with a 100 odd average this year, a bit more support, with an improving giants midfield, and he could easily become a premium midfielder. Ziebells talent is undeniable, that being said his horrific leg breaks definitely set his progress back a bit. It may be little more than a gut feeling, but going by various break out trends, 2013 is looking like his year with a solid preseason.
Gaff shook off the green vest this year, and exploded, averaging 87 ppg. He was clearly tailing off towards the end of the year however, but for a running machine like gaff, a bit more fitness and if anything a 90 average is underselling him, if he could become a bit more versatile and win a bit more inside ball, rather than playing almost purely as an outside mid, he could even get up there around the 105 mark this year.
Trengove's averaged 90 before, and there's no reason why he can't pump out another one, a better demons team should definitely help with that.
Cunnington and Bastinac are both young, improving kangaroo midfielders. Cunnington needs to develop a little more consistency, while Bastinac needs to shake his tagging roles, eitherway, both of these boys will be easily 80-85+... if they can improve on their DTing as I suggested though 90-100 is far more likely. Having 3 young gun roos in cunnington, bastinac and ziebell is very encouraging- at minimum one of these guys will become a bonafide 115+ premium... and there's always the possibility of them becoming the next swan, pendles, beams :)
The talent doesn't just end with the fielded players however- Adams, despite the disappointment of losing DPP, produced a very impressive first year 75 average, and I'd expect a little improvement on it this year- even though he'll be pushed into the forward line far more often with a fully fit GWS midfield (if anything that's even better, providing him with forward eligiblity in 2014 onwards). Clay Smith is a ball winning machine- averaged 120 DT ppg as a junior, and unsubbed this year averaged 70 in his first year. He may be vying for a spot with other dogs, but atm, he looks to be sitting in the 21. K Stevens partners with him perfectly- one of the two will always be playing, and I'm tipping koby to go 80+ this year in his first real season.
Likewise Stringer, who'd cemented himself in geelongs 22 before a club imposed suspension and Caddy both pair up very nicely, with Geelong starting to give more midfield time to youngsters, these two should be right inline- both posting unsubbed averages of around 70 in what was, in essence, their first years. Dean Towers represents another very solid player- a mature aged ball winner, barlow, zorko anyone? :P
All in all, another very solid line, only two real faults- the lack of a captaincy option for now, which will be rectified with a multitude of break outs, and the fact that in a couple of years there's going to be too many premium midfielders to take the field :'(
Rucks:
Mcevoy is a premium ruckman, and incredibly young, more improvement should be on the cards easily for him. Hickey partners with him quite well as probably the first choice as a back up if mcevoy goes down with another medium-long term injury. Stephenson isn't much more than cover at this stage, and not for long either- that being said, he's demonstrated the ability to score quite well unsubbed- if maric goes down, stephenson would be knocking hard.
O'hailpin provides good forward and defensive cover- fully fit I'd place him in the giants 22, at the very least he'll be taking over folaus role, but playing it significantly better, and rotating to cover players like patton, cameron when they get rested.
It's not a spectacular line, but, it's rock solid.
Fwds:
Not being able to move goodes on was probably Ziplocks only error in his drafting and trading- Goodes is a beast, but his age doesn't quite fit the Valkyries structure. That being said, I'd expect him to be pumping out a 90+ average easily for the next 3+ years, despite what some doubters may say. Hawkins showed this year that he has the makings to become a genuine premium, or at worst, quasi-premium, forward, and for a keyforward, that's pretty solid. Christensen was carrying various injuries all year, and still managed to boost his average- if anything 85 is being a bit harsh on him this year. Krakouer will be solid cover for the year, but you can't really expect more than 75 off him, that being said, there's enough talent on the bench that he could lose his spot.
The bench is reasonable, while not being AS amazing as the midfield or defence. Lee and Lynch should both be very solid key forwards- Lynch averaging 65 in his second year, playing as a keyforward is pretty impressive. Considering he didn't kick very many goals playing for the team that came 17th... it's very impressive. Betts is solid cover ,easily in his teams 22, while Bewick and Haynes both have the potential to become good players, if they can reach it. Grant has shown that he can score well, and he's getting to the age when he's going to need to, or forever be another top 5 pick forced into mediocrity. Gumbleton could be another machine, if he can stay fit (touch wood), while Dicks elevation is encouraging- at he very least he'll be ok cover.
Strengths: the youth in this team is definitely the biggest strength it has. The backline and midfield are exceptionally impressive- especially considering how badly other teams are struggling in the defensive area.
Weaknesses: The forward line would be the closest thing to a weakness- losing adams hurt quite a bit, the line would look a lot better with someone of his quality in it, and while showing potential, unlike a lot of the other lines, there aren't many certainties for breakouts. The lack of a captaincy option, depending on breakout by ward, ziebell, gaff etc. is a bit concerning, but it should be pretty easily weathered.
All of this being said, reports are that the Valkyries are not particularly concerned about crashing and burning this year- whispers from inside sources say that while Ziplock will endeavour to do his best, should the Valkyries be struck down again with poor form and injuries, a few more extremely high draft picks wouldn't be the end of the world- the coach is apparently confident that this team will win a flag within the next few years, regardless of the outcome of 2013.
How to win the flag:
probably just out of reach this year for the valkyries. Ziplock would need another handful of breakouts in the forwards and mids to really compete- can't see it happening this year. Next year, and the next 10 years infact, are different stories.
was that possibly biased, and seen through rose coloured glasses? maybe.
or, was I infact the opposite, and being too harsh on a bestial team?
who knows.
all I can say is, SMC, I'll see all yo doubters on the field. :P
Quote from: whatlez on January 28, 2013, 10:20:56 PM
Hmm that forward is scoring well higher than like their career averages... lol.
you'll find most peoples predictions of players in their prime are higher than their averages, that's generally what happens since players take time to mature.
Clokes averaged over 95 before, and he's entering DT prime, without any contract clouds over his head. Petries had injury concerns, but 2008/9/11 he's been around the 85 mark. Harveys averaged over 85 in the last 10 of his 12 seasons, and lecras is entering DT prime as well, averaging 86 in his last full season.
The Valkyries certainly will be a worry in a few years you probably will overtake the eagles at some stage but that could be in 3 years time when shaw adcock and Goddard are gone.
I'm expecting a 2-0 sweep of the valks this year though just missing the big hitters at this stage. I'm worried about Jz though he could go bang at some stage and be your captain. Would be fitting as jack watts and Jz started the rivalry
Pfft wtf. Your predictions are based on biasm.
Golby 85 my arse.
Bugg 80 pfft lol
Hanley 100 probably not
Ziebell 105 never
Goodes won't hit 100 again
Hawkins might strape into 80
The rest is alright, but some overrated and this comment to start:
'Probably the best team in the current competition'.
Come on mate, realistic your team is around 1400.
With a quick glance at your predictions for your own team Zip I would knock off about 65 points from the total. Not that theres anything wrong with that, EVERYONE rates their own team higher than they actually are anyway.
Thanks for all the great reviews :)
Quote from: Scrads on January 28, 2013, 11:48:10 PM
With a quick glance at your predictions for your own team Zip I would knock off about 65 points from the total. Not that theres anything wrong with that, EVERYONE rates their own team higher than they actually are anyway.
Thanks for all the great reviews :)
Yeah what this guy said. Sorry Zip.
Quote from: whatlez on January 28, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Pfft wtf. Your predictions are based on biasm.
Golby 85 my arse.
Bugg 80 pfft lol
Hanley 100 probably not
Ziebell 105 never
Goodes won't hit 100 again
Hawkins might strape into 80
The rest is alright, but some overrated and this comment to start:
'Probably the best team in the current competition'.
Come on mate, realistic your team is around 1400.
haha, the best team in the comp was a bit of an ironic joke :P
ziebell 105 never? haha, you willing to bet on that?
Quote from: Ziplock on January 28, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
despite how russia and belgium talk themselves up, he's definitely the man the beat this season.
l dont think l ever talked the Roulettes up.......l think l might have commented that we'd been flying under the radar until you reviewed us
*have a feeling you might have meant a certain other team (and strong) who was heavily into the banter with Belgium ::)
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 01:11:14 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 28, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
despite how russia and belgium talk themselves up, he's definitely the man the beat this season.
l dont think l ever talked the Roulettes up.......l think l might have commented that we'd been flying under the radar until you reviewed us
*have a feeling you might have meant a certain other team (and strong) who was heavily into the banter with Belgium ::)
Yeah Russia was never talked up. More underrated.
Belgium are the best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
You do have a good team, but l'm happy with what we've got 8)
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 02:13:47 AM
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
You do have a good team, but l'm happy with what we've got 8)
We just like being hell cocky haha, most people just tend to ignore us :P
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 01:11:14 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 28, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
despite how russia and belgium talk themselves up, he's definitely the man the beat this season.
l dont think l ever talked the Roulettes up.......l think l might have commented that we'd been flying under the radar until you reviewed us
*have a feeling you might have meant a certain other team (and strong) who was heavily into the banter with Belgium ::)
haha, I meant sweden, my bad.
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the 3rd best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
fixed.
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 02:14:44 AM
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 02:13:47 AM
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
You do have a good team, but l'm happy with what we've got 8)
We just like being hell cocky haha, most people just tend to ignore us :P
What?
Quote from: Ziplock on January 29, 2013, 02:30:22 AM
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 01:11:14 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 28, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
despite how russia and belgium talk themselves up, he's definitely the man the beat this season.
l dont think l ever talked the Roulettes up.......l think l might have commented that we'd been flying under the radar until you reviewed us
*have a feeling you might have meant a certain other team (and strong) who was heavily into the banter with Belgium ::)
haha, I meant sweden, my bad.
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the 3rd best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
fixed.
I do care what you think ;)
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 02:30:34 AM
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 02:14:44 AM
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 02:13:47 AM
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
You do have a good team, but l'm happy with what we've got 8)
We just like being hell cocky haha, most people just tend to ignore us :P
What?
Haha, dont worry
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 03:01:37 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 29, 2013, 02:30:22 AM
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 01:11:14 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 28, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
despite how russia and belgium talk themselves up, he's definitely the man the beat this season.
l dont think l ever talked the Roulettes up.......l think l might have commented that we'd been flying under the radar until you reviewed us
*have a feeling you might have meant a certain other team (and strong) who was heavily into the banter with Belgium ::)
haha, I meant sweden, my bad.
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the 3rd best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
fixed.
I do care what you think ;)
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 02:30:34 AM
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 02:14:44 AM
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 02:13:47 AM
Quote from: elephants on January 29, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Belgium are the best so we can talk ourselves up. Bam.
You do have a good team, but l'm happy with what we've got 8)
We just like being hell cocky haha, most people just tend to ignore us :P
What?
Haha, dont worry
Huh ??
the grand final is round 23 yeh?
Ok, surely we should look at this fixture for predictions of who will win the GF because at a quick glance.... its not a good round for the Bashers :(
Birchall has Sydney - 67 and 47 last year
so does Rioli - 58 and 68re
Fyfe has Saints - never gone higher than 80
and Jelwood has the Raines tag
Gary Ablett has GWS,
Dane Swan has North Melbourne,
Ryan Griffen has Melbourne,
.....thats not a bad start anyway :-X
Quote from: nostradamus on January 29, 2013, 08:02:55 PM
Gary Ablett has GWS,
Dane Swan has North Melbourne,
Ryan Griffen has Melbourne,
.....thats not a bad start anyway :-X
Lids has eseendon 100 + 160 last year
Pendles has Roos
Boyd has Melbourne
however I actually hope im not coming up against you in the finals Swan and Ablett against GWS and Roos would be scary.
Russia will win again.
Chances of the big guns being rested? Hmmmm ;)
Zip really underrated us. We have it in the bag. Not sure why anyone else thinks they're a chance.
Quote from: Nails on January 30, 2013, 03:05:00 AM
Zip really underrated us. We have it in the bag. Not sure why anyone else thinks they're a chance.
Coz they say Zip underrated them too. ;)
Quote from: elephants on January 30, 2013, 03:01:20 AM
Chances of the big guns being rested? Hmmmm ;)
Swan never gets rested late in the season, and why would Ablett or Griffen be rested ? ......they wont be playing finals :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 29, 2013, 12:53:40 AM
Quote from: whatlez on January 28, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Pfft wtf. Your predictions are based on biasm.
Golby 85 my arse.
Bugg 80 pfft lol
Hanley 100 probably not
Ziebell 105 never
Goodes won't hit 100 again
Hawkins might strape into 80
The rest is alright, but some overrated and this comment to start:
'Probably the best team in the current competition'.
Come on mate, realistic your team is around 1400.
haha, the best team in the comp was a bit of an ironic joke :P
ziebell 105 never? haha, you willing to bet on that?
you never responded to this :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 31, 2013, 09:34:51 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 29, 2013, 12:53:40 AM
Quote from: whatlez on January 28, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Pfft wtf. Your predictions are based on biasm.
Golby 85 my arse.
Bugg 80 pfft lol
Hanley 100 probably not
Ziebell 105 never
Goodes won't hit 100 again
Hawkins might strape into 80
The rest is alright, but some overrated and this comment to start:
'Probably the best team in the current competition'.
Come on mate, realistic your team is around 1400.
haha, the best team in the comp was a bit of an ironic joke :P
ziebell 105 never? haha, you willing to bet on that?
you never responded to this :P
Hmm Ziebell in DT. Hmm I could bet.
How about this :P
if JZ averages doesn't average 105 unsubbed in any of the next 3 seasons, I'll trade you my first and second round draft picks for your 3rd and 4th round draft picks at the end of the 3rd season (the draft for 2016).
butttt
if JZ averages over 105 unsubbed (including rounding up from 104.5 onwards) in any of the 2013, 2014 or 2015 seasons, then I get to trade any player on my team for any player on your team :P (That being said, I wouldn't be a complete dick- like atm I'd probably trade like stevens for boak :P )
considering you 'never' rate JZ for 105, it looks like a pretty good deal to me... keeping in mind that he did suffer 2 serious leg breaks, and hypothetically, it is entirely plausible he'll never reach that level.
do you have the balls to put your money where your mouth is? Any decision you make will be binding for any future coaches of your team as well :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 31, 2013, 10:04:21 PM
do you have the balls to put your money where your mouth is? Any decision you make will be binding for any future coaches of your team as well :P
Lol :P
yeah I know, I very very careful, didn't want to mistype and say 'do you have the money to put your balls where your mouth is'
:P
Hahahaha, that's how i read it! Bloody morphine.
haha, what'd you do?
Wisdom teeth haha :(
My end of the deal is shower. You think you will be top of the ladder so your draft picks are less significant...
And I hate unsubbed. Subs included.
haha, if ziebell isn't averaging 105 by then, it means my predictions have been wayyy off, and I mightn't be at the top of the ladder as well.
nonetheless, even in a worst case scenario for you, it's picks 14+28 for 29 + 43 assuming I'm at the top of the ladder and you're at the bottom.
for someone who thinks that there's definitely noway ziebell will ever average 105, it's a pretty good deal.
As for subbed and unsubbed, I'd say wait to see what we get our 15s rules changed to this year for subbed- for instance, if we introduce some form of subbing rule where you can take off a vested player then subs definitely shouldn't count.
I thought lez wouldnt have the balls to do it :P
Quote from: Ziplock on February 01, 2013, 07:53:02 PM
I thought lez wouldnt have the balls to do it :P
its because your right. JZ is a gun
Quote from: Holzman on February 01, 2013, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on February 01, 2013, 07:53:02 PM
I thought lez wouldnt have the balls to do it :P
its because your right. JZ is a gun
You get my best player if I lose and if I win I only gain some draft picks... Want better stipulations...
Not to mention I am sure you would both be sacked on the spot if it was found out you guys agreed to a deal like this :P
Quote from: Scrads on February 01, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
Not to mention I am sure you would both be sacked on the spot if it was found out you guys agreed to a deal like this :P
yeah know way i woudl ever agree to something like this happening.
Zip can just have the right to say I told you so when JZ kills it.
Quote from: Holzman on February 01, 2013, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: Scrads on February 01, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
Not to mention I am sure you would both be sacked on the spot if it was found out you guys agreed to a deal like this :P
yeah know way i woudl ever agree to something like this happening.
Zip can just have the right to say I told you so when JZ kills it.
What about Lez has to change the name of his side to Scotland's Savage Spuds hahahaha
:(
I was going to make it look like a legit trade and everything :P