Poll
Question:
Are you trading him?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 7
Option 2: No
votes: 16
Lachie Neale has had a couple of back to back stinkers. He has pulled up sore and appears to be struggling with the early attention he has received this season. What are Neale owners planning to do? Trade or hold?
I'm leaning towards trade at the moment. With a projected score of 99 he is expected to drop 76k. While that isn't the end of the world, you could trade him to say an Oliver/Dusty/Macrae/Ridley/Heeney and pocket the cash in the downgrade.
The other risky option is turning him into someone like Tex, pocket an obscene amount of cash and use Tex as a launching pad to another premium with the cash he is bound to make.
Option C is you hold this week, risk losing about 80k and see how he goes. If he stinks it up a third week in a row he probably has to go, if he turns into Lachie Neale it's a trade saved. People aren't really going to be able to afford to bring him in come round 5 since he will still be around 600k so he may have stunk it up in the right part of the season.
I've certainly been contemplating it but decided to trade Cripps out instead as I still believe Neale will be a top 10 mid by the end of the year and Cripps won't.
Don't trade premos ... has burnt me every time i've done it ...
this time, i'm holding - i have Crippa ... only way he goes if if he's injured and not playing (have heard the talk of him needing injections to get up for games) ... will see how it goes this time ...
let you know 20/20 Captain Hindsight style later on ... :-X :D
Keeping.
Fully expect to be in every team soon/ by end of season. I feel trading him out won’t improve my team.
His start sucks and he will bleed cash making it easier for everyone to get him and watch how he goes.
All bad news for his current owners.
Just going to suck it up.
One trade to get him out at least 2 trades to get him back when he resumes normal scoring.
In two weeks Neale with have parity with Dusty & Dunkley, these are the two guys I would definitely jump ship for. With the change I'd upgrade a dodgy rookie to Tex/Impey.
Neale to Dunkley and pocket the cash.
Its keeper to keeper, i make cash in price movements and then have more cash around to get a rookie to premo upgrade earlier.
Quote from: Holz on April 01, 2021, 11:52:39 AM
Neale to Dunkley and pocket the cash.
Its keeper to keeper, i make cash in price movements and then have more cash around to get a rookie to premo upgrade earlier.
I'm going Neale to Dunkley. I got Neale in originally to be a captain option, which I can't trust anymore. I only have one rookie corrective trade to do, so I see Neale as a second corrective trade that can give me the cash in the bank to turn Taranto or Philips into a premium keeper in the next few weeks if they continue to struggle.
I went Neale to Dusty, allows me to get a top 2 forward and gives me cash. With my second trade I'm going Jones to Tex for cash gen (slightly risky though).
Using Neale and Caldwell I can get in Dusty and Dunkley, leaving me with Cripps to deal with.
Means passing on Jordon and on Tex.
Not sure if it's worth doing, or doing one of those and get a money-maker as the second trade.
Mayne into the Pies side. If Neale gets tagged, who will be tagging him?
Quote from: Holz on April 01, 2021, 11:52:39 AM
Neale to Dunkley and pocket the cash.
Its keeper to keeper, i make cash in price movements and then have more cash around to get a rookie to premo upgrade earlier.
My thinking as well. If I can grab an Oliver/Dusty and pocket the cash for a couple of quick upgrades it gives me a better run at it. You need to be aggressive and finish your team as quickly as possible. 40% of teams already used a sideways trade on Danger.
Quote from: Wanderer on April 01, 2021, 01:37:49 PM
Mayne into the Pies side. If Neale gets tagged, who will be tagging him?
The only player would be Adams who would do any sort of tagging. But I wouldn't expect any tagging like last week.
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 01, 2021, 01:24:43 PM
I went Neale to Dusty, allows me to get a top 2 forward and gives me cash. With my second trade I'm going Jones to Tex for cash gen (slightly risky though).
Jones to Tex isn't risky in the slightest, with the 5 in Jones' rolling average he's done for cash generation for at least a month, by that stage you have pocketed 70-150k from Tex & maybe a ton or two.
Had a solid first half and looking like a 130+ score and then totally disappeared in the second half.
Quote from: Wanderer on April 01, 2021, 11:21:22 PM
Had a solid first half and looking like a 130+ score and then totally disappeared in the second half.
Lack of preseason starting to show, tough break for those who held. No doubts he'll come good but unfortunately he's lost a swag of cash in the process.
The cash is not a problem for those that are keeping him if he ends up being top 10 mid.
Those that dropped him will get him back again $120k cheaper, but will waste a trade doing it.
Those that never had him from the start are the real winners.
Time to cut my loses with Neale. Was completely MIA in the second half and I don’t even think there was a hard tag on him.
Others are trading / traded him to Macrae, Bont, Steele or any premo midfield option.
Yes it’s a trade they will use to get him back but at this point his scoring and influence during games is a real concern.
I think he has to go this week.
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 02, 2021, 12:05:14 AM
Time to cut my loses with Neale. Was completely MIA in the second half and I don’t even think there was a hard tag on him.
Others are trading / traded him to Macrae, Bont, Steele or any premo midfield option.
Yes it’s a trade they will use to get him back but at this point his scoring and influence during games is a real concern.
I think he has to go this week.
Crazy to trade him now that he has lost 80K..
Quote from: Wanderer on April 01, 2021, 11:42:52 PM
The cash is not a problem for those that are keeping him if he ends up being top 10 mid.
Those that dropped him will get him back again $120k cheaper, but will waste a trade doing it.
Those that never had him from the start are the real winners.
Most people allow themselves two corrective trades come round 3. It is normally reserved for rookies but in this case if you made the call with Neale it may be the right one. Going to Oliver/Macrae you pocket 65-70k making the trade. That allows you to make your next upgrade pretty quickly having that in the bank and you still have an elite premium player in your side.
Quote from: tkringle on April 02, 2021, 12:42:55 AM
Crazy to trade him now that he has lost 80K..
Not really. If he keeps performing the way he does he is going to lose a lot more. He has lost 80k and you can still trade him pretty easily to the premium of your choice. It sucks that you have lost that cash to begin with but it could get a whole lot worse if teams tag him. So far he has struggled with the attention when it is there. This could be a Rory Sloane scenario of a couple years back where teams figured out if they tag him they can completely take him out of the game. When he manages to avoid it he will go huge, but if he is getting tagged in 75% of games it could be bad news.
Still think he will be a top 10 mid so holding till the bitter end now.
The fact he has had 3 sub 100s at his original starting price of 721k means overall is shot with others getting the leg up at the start with a better pick and the opportunity to pass on Neale totally or get him on the cheap if he appears worth it.
Been a disaster starting pick for me as he was last year when I didn’t start him.
For those that are keeping Neale from last nights presser on Neale.
It was a brave effort by Lachie tonight he could’ve easily sat it out and been in better nick for the dogs but he got himself up to play and did a really good job tonight.
Quote from: Ringo on April 02, 2021, 08:54:01 AM
For those that are keeping Neale from last nights presser on Neale.
It was a brave effort by Lachie tonight he could’ve easily sat it out and been in better nick for the dogs but he got himself up to play and did a really good job tonight.
Maybe he should have sat it out as it would have been easier to trade his ass. Looks like he is playing hurt and may be rested at some point. Too late now. Already lost shed loads of coin so I’m all in. Big loss or eventual turn around and save the trade. Hopefully the trade at the end of the year is sweet.
I'm not too concerned about Neale turning things around. He scored over 80 in the first half (with zero supply from his ruck in the stoppages) and his lack of conditioning stopped him from going 150+. Lions have other mids that are just as damaging that teams have to worry about, so the Geelong game was an anomaly. It has been his conditioning that has held him back from big scores, which should improve in the near future.
Quote from: enzedder on April 02, 2021, 07:17:45 AM
Still think he will be a top 10 mid so holding till the bitter end now.
The fact he has had 3 sub 100s at his original starting price of 721k means overall is shot with others getting the leg up at the start with a better pick and the opportunity to pass on Neale totally or get him on the cheap if he appears worth it.
Been a disaster starting pick for me as he was last year when I didn’t start him.
I'm enjoying not having to worry about overall and just playing for leagues. If Neale turns it around in the near future, that extra trade or two saved will be handy come SC league finals.
Overall was shot after Rd 1, but definitely shot after Rd 3.
Have noticed 50% of teams in my cash league have traded Neale to Macrae.
Neale is obviously playing injured but honestly how long / what kind of injury is this?
Would have preferred Neale to have been a late out. At this rate he is becoming a M8 possible M9 if I don’t trade him out soon.
Last night's game by Neale was very similar to Cripps game last week where he had a massive first half and then disappeared.
I was watching Neale closely and in the third qtr he was running into space towards the boundary line a few times to receive the ball coming out of the backline and his team mate with the ball totally ignored him. After a while Neale gave up sprinting into space, especially in the last qtr and was caught in no mans land with the ball going back and forth over his head. He was also staying out of the contests more than usual.
Is it conditioning or carrying a minor injury or both? Only time will tell.
I don't think there is any massive advantage or disadvantage to those who traded him out and those who kept him if Neale ends up being a top 10 mid. Those who started without him are the real winners though, especially if they got a premium keeper like Oliver or Macrae instead and were able to avoid a mid-price bust player and get another premo instead with the spare cash.
Looks like he playing sore his second half was poor without a serious tag 9 days off might help him.
From the Age
Asked to elaborate on the issue, Neale was only prepared to say so much.
“It’s to do with my back. I had a scan and it wasn’t a great result. There’s a little bit in there but that’s something that I’ll deal with. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to really say too much, it wasn’t a great result on the scan,†Neale said.
Lions coach Chris Fagan said after the game that Neale’s performance under duress had been courageous.
Wish this was out prior to last night’s game. Would have traded for sure.
Backs are hard to get right.
Changes my don’t trade cause he’s bled 80k already and it’s too late stance to well maybe I do cut my losses now as I can see the potential for it needing management all season with games missed throwing his top10 status into questionable territory.
I can understand them hiding the problem with his back so he doesn't get targeted, but it really sucks not having known this earlier. It would make it so much easier to offload him if they just come out and say they will rest him for a few games, even if it means losing $80k.
Yeah he might have to go now. Sucks losing the 80K but still should be almost a straight swap to Macrae.
Agreed, sucks we didn't know about the back, but I'll hold now unless he is out for a while.
It’s looked obvious that he’s been playing sore or even injured.
But this news doesn’t sound great! Back injuries are horrible, even if they are not sport related they can be incredibly difficult to manage.
I can see them resting Neale if this doesn’t improve. The worst possible thing here now is that he drops 150k and then is out for 3 weeks. You will be forced to trade him at 550-570k.
This news doesn’t sit well with me.
Quote from: tkringle on April 02, 2021, 01:20:44 PM
Yeah he might have to go now. Sucks losing the 80K but still should be almost a straight swap to Macrae.
It's not the money as much, it's more about losing/wasting a precious trade going premo to premo that I'm annoyed about.
Quote from: Fid on April 02, 2021, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: tkringle on April 02, 2021, 01:20:44 PM
Yeah he might have to go now. Sucks losing the 80K but still should be almost a straight swap to Macrae.
It's not the money as much, it's more about losing/wasting a precious trade going premo to premo that I'm annoyed about.
Correction trade no drama at this stage. most people have made a couple so not the end of the world.
Reckon I do Neale to Grundy next week
Can downgrade a non playing rookie to Neale in May :P
Quote from: enzedder on April 02, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Reckon I do Neale to Grundy next week
Neale to Dunkley at this stage
Quote from: enzedder on April 02, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Reckon I do Neale to Grundy next week
I'm thinking the same. Grundy has his aggression back despite his midfield being completely imcompitent.
Quote from: Hoggyz_a_legend on April 02, 2021, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: enzedder on April 02, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Reckon I do Neale to Grundy next week
I'm thinking the same. Grundy has his aggression back despite his midfield being completely imcompitent.
After Ridley scored nearly 150 last night after averaging 130 for the first two I think I’ve switched my preference to him.
Means I get Kosi/Highmore off as D6 to D7 and can loop rookie mids better with Fyfe at M11. Also creates D/M link with Clarke and Laird if I want it.
Ridley is going up 40k but looks a must have.
I thought with Hurley out he’d be more accountable and his interception points would be down on last year. Got it way wrong.
Well, what have people finally done?
I ended up not trading him to Dunkley and now I wish I did. Still undecided, but he is going to bleed more cash with a BE of 212
Quote from: Fid on April 06, 2021, 10:15:22 AM
Well, what have people finally done?
I ended up not trading him to Dunkley and now I wish I did. Still undecided, but he is going to bleed more cash with a BE of 212
We both kept him and have regrets.
For sure trading his ass this week for Ridley.
Quote from: enzedder on April 06, 2021, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: Fid on April 06, 2021, 10:15:22 AM
Well, what have people finally done?
I ended up not trading him to Dunkley and now I wish I did. Still undecided, but he is going to bleed more cash with a BE of 212
We both kept him and have regrets.
For sure trading his ass this week for Ridley.
Got Ridley, considering trading him for Impey (BE -62) which will leave me with over $375K in the kitty to pounce on Clayton Oliver next week by trading out Clark
44% of coaches still own Neale
Quote from: Fid on April 06, 2021, 10:34:29 AM
44% of coaches still own Neale
I still own him, I think I’m going to hold him too. He’s going to bleed a lot more cash, but it’s going to take 3 trades to only get him back in before the end of the season when he undoubtedly finds his good Brownlow form again...
I mean it sucks that I’ve started him but just have to live with the decrease in value now and plan my team around him.
Have to hold to the bitter end now
Just read an article which states he hasn't been training, that is a slight concern however I'd be holding at this point in the game.
Quote from: Bully on April 13, 2021, 02:20:12 PM
Just read an article which states he hasn't been training, that is a slight concern however I'd be holding at this point in the game.
It is taken from his presser this morning where he said that his lack of form is due to the lack of intensive training training as a result of back. He was not blaming back as he said a lot of players playing with niggles and he has to adjust for it. He also said appears to be getting better each week. If we still have him think we need to keep now though and hope the turn around is quick.
Quote from: Ringo on April 13, 2021, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 13, 2021, 02:20:12 PM
Just read an article which states he hasn't been training, that is a slight concern however I'd be holding at this point in the game.
It is taken from his presser this morning where he said that his lack of form is due to the lack of intensive training training as a result of back. He was not blaming back as he said a lot of players playing with niggles and he has to adjust for it. He also said appears to be getting better each week. If we still have him think we need to keep now though and hope the turn around is quick.
Definitely a hold, one more price drop & I will be seriously considering.
Just a timely reminder of how quickly things can change. Petracca another who looks like hitting form after a slow start.
(https://i.imgur.com/hUoccdS.png)
Do the Bombers have anybody to run with Neale this week ? Could be a gift in a week or two.
Quote from: frenzy on April 15, 2021, 04:24:42 PM
Do the Bombers have anybody to run with Neale this week ? Could be a gift in a week or two.
Nobody of note, I'd certainly like to see a ton before buying in though, this decision rests entirely with his fitness.
There's also the Brisbane form slump to consider, this can't be good for his scoring potential.
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2021, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: frenzy on April 15, 2021, 04:24:42 PM
Do the Bombers have anybody to run with Neale this week ? Could be a gift in a week or two.
Nobody of note, I'd certainly like to see a ton before buying in though, this decision rests entirely with his fitness.
There's also the Brisbane form slump to consider, this can't be good for his scoring potential.
Agree, just looking for early upgrade candidates. Think Gaff is another form slump to watch. Neale M7 and Gaff M8 looks good.
What ever happened to the Fallen Premo Thread, I used to enjoy that.
Might be time to jump on folks.
Quote from: Bully on April 17, 2021, 10:42:13 PM
Might be time to jump on folks.
I'd still like to see him back it up I think.
Plus some rookies have kicked off their cash gen again too so maybe one more week
Quote from: Gavdroid on April 18, 2021, 06:02:37 PM
I'd still like to see him back it up I think.
Plus some rookies have kicked off their cash gen again too so maybe one more week
This. Plus he will get the Curnow tag. The way teams have been breaking it is by tagging Cripps from the second quarter with the player getting tagged.
What's his record against Curnow?
Probably not great. Curnow has generally gotten more scalps than he has lost when on them for the whole game. I don't think we went a hard tag with him last year but the year before he killed us in the first half and then we sent Curnow to him. I think he scored about 20 points for the rest of the game.
Will study the break evens & make a call one way or another, Taranto to Neale very appealing nevertheless, can't go wrong in the long run.
I hate Leon Cameron. There is a quarter each week that Taranto gets stuck forward and it kills his score. This week it was the 2nd after a dominant first.
There are probably bigger fish to fry this week with Ridley out, Highmore unlikely, Clark likely to play VFL and Jones possibly sore. Port and Saints don't play until the last game of the round to add to the worry.
True, there's plenty of carnage to deal with, I hope Highmore is back.
Quote from: Bully on April 18, 2021, 07:50:09 PM
True, there's plenty of carnage to deal with, I hope Highmore is back.
I found this on the St Kilda website about Highmore....
Dean Kent (14 disposals) again was tried through the midfield and alternated at centre bounces with Byrnes, Tom Highmore (16 disposals, seven marks) and Wood (18 disposals, seven marks) were solid in their respective domains
He was not listed amount Snadringhams best....
https://www.saints.com.au/news/912805/vfl-byrnes-returns-as-zebras-kick-off-2021-campaign
Positive I think, backmen rarely make the bests, I think there will be wholesale changes this week.
The best value mid right now may be Sam Walsh. I'm honestly thinking Clark to Jones and maybe Gulden to Walsh. Teams aren't paying any attention to him with Cripps around and he is racking up the pill and points.
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 18, 2021, 09:54:36 PM
The best value mid right now may be Sam Walsh. I'm honestly thinking Clark to Jones and maybe Gulden to Walsh. Teams aren't paying any attention to him with Cripps around and he is racking up the pill and points.
Still great value but can he maintain it?
Quote from: Bully on April 18, 2021, 10:12:06 PM
Still great value but can he maintain it?
He is a running machine so I don't think we need to worry about him hitting a wall. The question is the tag. The tagger that is probably the best matchup for him is Curnow and thankfully they're on the same team. His running ability is ridiculous but teams still look to go to Cripps at the stoppages and break off him letting Walsh run free.
Carlton should worry less about wasting a key midfield spot on an old tagger and more on giving some young talent some exposure through the middle.
Their obsession with defensive midfielders is taking them nowhere.