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This will not be my starting team obviously but posting initial team here for information.


Defenders
Jake Lloyd $656,400
Lachie Whitfield $561,600
Zac Williams $458,600
Wayne Milera $312,200
Heath Chapman $148,800
Lachlan Jones $139,800

Rory Thompson $123,900
Joel Jeffrey $102,400

Midfielders
Lachie Neale $721,800
Clayton Oliver $656,700
Tom Mitchell $610,000
Taylor Adams $588,800
Matt Rowell $495,100
Dyson Heppell $319,100
Will Phillips $198,300
Tom Powell $153,300

Nakia Cockatoo $123,900
Maurice Rioli $117,300
Aiden Fyfe $102,400

Rucks
Brodie Grundy $648,200
Braydon Preuss $303,000

Josh Treacy $102,400

Forwards
Patrick Dangerfield $611,900
Rowan Marshall $557,200
Isaac Heeney $454,500
Joe Daniher $233,300
Mark Hutchings $157,600
Fraser Rosman $117,300

Phoenix Spicer $117,300
Isaac Chugg $102,400

Have used a variety of rookie values to allow adjustment.
Have used a mid pricer on each line and basically believe they all can raise money quickly of starting to allow upgrades. Trick will be to cash out when at peak prior to losing money ala Jack Viney.

Went for Grundy in rucks over Gawn mainly due to the 100k price saving with hopefully being able to upgrade Preuss to Gawn around byes.

Not entirely sold on Danger at F1 but given past performances and Geelong's juicy early draw decided he had to be in.

So many mid options this year so there will not be too many cookie cutter teams this year,

Hopefully 13 premiums (including Rowell as premium at this stage) can remain healthy. and SC gods smile on us this year.

Hi ringo,  like watching rowell play but as a still first year player I dont think there is enough upside.   At best probably a 100pt avg,   Why take the risk when there is other options.     Cripps has upside,  Walsh avg 119 for back half of last season has upside,  Heppell I can understand.    Feel there are safer options with less downside risk than Rowell. 

Joe will be an interesting choice,  definitely capable of putting some big games together.    Probably look at him nearer season start and how desperate I get for cash.   Until then I am happy with my marshall, martin, Heeney, Ladhams, fwd line. 
Have good xmas and new year.   Cheers

Quote from: crowls on December 25, 2020, 12:34:39 PM
Hi ringo,  like watching rowell play but as a still first year player I dont think there is enough upside.   At best probably a 100pt avg,   Why take the risk when there is other options.     Cripps has upside,  Walsh avg 119 for back half of last season has upside,  Heppell I can understand.    Feel there are safer options with less downside risk than Rowell. 

Joe will be an interesting choice,  definitely capable of putting some big games together.    Probably look at him nearer season start and how desperate I get for cash.   Until then I am happy with my marshall, martin, Heeney, Ladhams, fwd line. 
Have good xmas and new year.   Cheers

as still a first year player? He was probably leading the brownlow till he got injured. Or at least 2nd.

The kid is a Jet and undervalued at 500k.

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for a first year player.....

If you don't have Rowell in your team, you are bonkers.

Very strong first attempt.

You have a lot of similar players to mine so it is hard to fault.

Milera is an interesting one. I think myself as well as a lot of players were thinking he’d breakout in 2019 as he had a strong finish to 2018 but never really did. He is underpriced but I think with so many defenders capable of 100+ he isn’t really worth the risk.

Love all the other selections though.

had a play around to see what a team with Gawn at R1 looks like. Reasoning Gawn may be out of reach if he starts strong whereas may be able to upgrade to Grundy.

Did not realise how cheap Taranto is. Would love to fit Sidebottom in as I think he will benefit from Treloars departure. Left Mitchell out due to doubt on him for Rd 1.

Anyone Comparisons of two teams with the different R1. Both teams have Lloyd, Neale and Danger as first choce in their positions.

Defenders

Jake Lloyd $656,400
Lachie Whitfield $561,600
Zac Williams $458,600
Wayne Milera $312,200
Heath Chapman $148,800
Lachlan Jones $139,800

Rory Thompson $123,900
Joel Jeffrey $102,400

Midfielders

Lachie Neale $721,800
Josh Kelly $615,600
Taylor Adams $588,800
Matt Rowell $495,100
Tim Taranto $453,700
Dyson Heppell $319,100
Will Phillips $198,300
Tom Powell $153,300

Nakia Cockatoo $123,900
Maurice Rioli $117,300
Aiden Fyfe $102,400

Rucks

Max Gawn $751,400
Braydon Preuss $303,000

Josh Treacy $102,400

Forwards

Patrick Dangerfield $611,900
Rowan Marshall $557,200
Dustin Martin $541,600
Joe Daniher $233,300
Mark Hutchings $157,600
Fraser Rosman $117,300

Beau McCreery $117,300
Isaac Chugg $102,400

Good side to date, just not sure on Heppell, over a couple of GC players. Guess it depends on how they start.

So after release of SC have now updated side.  Players in Bold Keepers, Maybe Keepers but not necessarily

Rd 12 ByeRd 13 Bye Rd 14 Bye,

Backs: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Milera Thompson, Gould,   (Highmore, Fyfe)
Mid; Neale, Oliver, Josh Kelly, Adams Rowell Phillips, Campbell, Durdin  (Bianco, Rioli, Davies)
Ruck: Grundy Preuss  (Fullarton)
Fwds: Sidebottom, Marshall, Martin, Zieball, Daniher, Cockatoo  (Macrae, Chugg)

Will decide on R3 when I work out number of late games between Brisbane Fullarton and Fremantle Treacy. Fullarton may be a cash cow as well.

Maybe heavy on Rd 14 byes but that can be managed.

If you're starting Josh Kelly prepare for him to miss games at the wkrst possible time and have no info on why he is missing. I've had jim the last three years and it's a bloody nightmare. I like the Adams pick but prefer him in AF/DT. The Pies midfield was pretty decimated at times last year which saw him play a lot of time in the guts. Treloar out would make you think he sees a lot of time in the middle but his DE is the worry and would be the reason he can't take the next step.

Thanks Matt

Points taken and as we know the chances of these teams at this time of the year may not be the start team due to rookies unknown.  Plenty of options around the price as well. Another difficulty this year is only one round of pre-season to observe.

My gut tells me the rookie situation is going to be tough this year. A lot of guys got games last year which sees them priced higher than normal. It was a weak draft class so we may not see as many kids get games come round 1 and with the first couple picks being KPP you aren't getting a Rowell/Walsh type. I'm thinking we need a few mid priced options and there is a lot of value in the midfield. Ziebell and Daniher will also be pretty popular picks for this reason

Thanks Matt we just wait and see on rookies. Have some room for maneuverability. 

This will be my sitting team.  Unfortunately with only one round of preseason plus some interclub trials will be hard to gauge any change of roles.

Some changes and depending injuries - Whitfield more than likely will be Laird and Titchell  Macrae

Def: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Thompson, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Mitchell, Rowell, Phillips, Campbell, Perkins  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks; Grundy, Preuss  (Treacy)
Fwds: Dunkley, Marshall, Martin Ziebell, Daniher, Cockatoo (Macrae, Chugg)

Bye structure for prems.
Rd 12: Whitfield, Mitchell Rowell, Preuss, Zeibell
Rd 13: Williams, Neale, Zerrett, Dunkley, Martin, Daniher, Cockatoo
Rd 14: Lloyd, Oliver, Grundy, Marshall.

Forward prems may change but happy at the moment. Dunkley the question mark but I believe he will still find a lot of the ball even if playing solely forward.

$65k left for adjustments and a lot of top priced rookies chosen that may be downgraded.

 :)

Nice team again Ringo. Curoius though ...   Fullarton  V  Treacy  ??  I saw the St Kilda game and thought he definitely looked like a pretty good up and comer. Might it be the bye situation  ?  Sampson Ryan for Richmond reminds me of a taller version of a young Grundy with his ground play, can't wait to see how he developes. I thought Titchell was doubtful for Rd.1  Perhaps a little light on for captaincy options if using the loop hole.  Nice team overall  All the best, cheers.

;)

Thanks Sabre

Plans for changes are Mitchell to Rockliff and Whitfield to Stewart if either out for Rd 1 but this may change as well when we see rookies available.  Even considering dropping Dusty and going with this forward line - Dunkley, Marshall, Zeibell, Daniher, Dow and Cockato. to strengthen other lines if rookies do not eventuate.

Quote from: Ringo on February 11, 2021, 04:53:33 PM
Thanks Sabre

Plans for changes are Mitchell to Rockliff and Whitfield to Stewart if either out for Rd 1 but this may change as well when we see rookies available.  Even considering dropping Dusty and going with this forward line - Dunkley, Marshall, Zeibell, Daniher, Dow and Cockato. to strengthen other lines if rookies do not eventuate.

My only concern Ringo is if don't start G & G in Ruck, you could be starting a fair way back.

Quote from: Ashmore62 on February 11, 2021, 07:16:43 PM

Quote from: Ringo on February 11, 2021, 04:53:33 PM
Thanks Sabre

Plans for changes are Mitchell to Rockliff and Whitfield to Stewart if either out for Rd 1 but this may change as well when we see rookies available.  Even considering dropping Dusty and going with this forward line - Dunkley, Marshall, Zeibell, Daniher, Dow and Cockato. to strengthen other lines if rookies do not eventuate.

My only concern Ringo is if don't start G & G in Ruck, you could be starting a fair way back.

Know where you are coming from re rookies. My re-done current team only has two rookies, Grainger-Barrass and L Jones on the field. This is a team I would not pick even after multiple liquid refreshments but have done purely as a starting point if the worst happens. It's not inconcieivable that we may only get enough playing rookies to fill our benches. Hope I'm just being pessimistic, but imagine the panicked changes if that were to occur. And how hard would it become to upgrade to either Gawn or Grundy.

;)

Two Teams sitting on and will make decisions prior to Rd 1

Team 1 lower priced rucks:

Def: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Thompson, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Mitchell, Rowell, Phillips, Campbell, Perkins  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks; Grundy, Preuss  (Treacy)
Fwds: Dunkley, Marshall, Martin Ziebell, Daniher, Cockatoo (Macrae, Chugg)

Team 2 GG Rucks
Def: Lloyd, Laird, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Thompson, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Dangerfield, Rowell, Phillips, Campbell, Perkins  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks: Gawn, Grundy (Treacy)
Fwds: Marshall, Heeney, Ziebell, Daniher, Dow, Cockaroo  ((Macrae, Chugg)

This team very Rd 4 bye premium heavy though.  Danger in mids to enable upgrades if one of Ziebell, Daniher or Dow come out firing,

Both teams have a lot of M/F Rookies for easy interchange.

I really like the GG team.

Very similar to mine and I like the danger in the middle pick. It gives you that extra flexibility if something does go wrong up forward.

Very dependant on 3 on field rookies getting up on in the backline but if they do then I really like it.

Quote from: Ringo on February 12, 2021, 11:44:18 AM
Two Teams sitting on and will make decisions prior to Rd 1

Team 1 lower priced rucks:

Def: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Thompson, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Mitchell, Rowell, Phillips, Campbell, Perkins  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks; Grundy, Preuss  (Treacy)
Fwds: Dunkley, Marshall, Martin Ziebell, Daniher, Cockatoo (Macrae, Chugg)

Team 2 GG Rucks
Def: Lloyd, Laird, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Thompson, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Dangerfield, Rowell, Phillips, Campbell, Perkins  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks: Gawn, Grundy (Treacy)
Fwds: Marshall, Heeney, Ziebell, Daniher, Dow, Cockaroo  ((Macrae, Chugg)

This team very Rd 4 bye premium heavy though.  Danger in mids to enable upgrades if one of Ziebell, Daniher or Dow come out firing,

Both teams have a lot of M/F Rookies for easy interchange.

Team 2 Ringo ..can not fault.

Quote from: Ashmore62 on February 12, 2021, 02:27:20 PM

Quote from: Ringo on February 12, 2021, 11:44:18 AM
Two Teams sitting on and will make decisions prior to Rd 1

Team 1 lower priced rucks:

Def: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Thompson, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Mitchell, Rowell, Phillips, Campbell, Perkins  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks; Grundy, Preuss  (Treacy)
Fwds: Dunkley, Marshall, Martin Ziebell, Daniher, Cockatoo (Macrae, Chugg)

Team 2 GG Rucks
Def: Lloyd, Laird, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Thompson, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Dangerfield, Rowell, Phillips, Campbell, Perkins  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks: Gawn, Grundy (Treacy)
Fwds: Marshall, Heeney, Ziebell, Daniher, Dow, Cockaroo  ((Macrae, Chugg)

This team very Rd 4 bye premium heavy though.  Danger in mids to enable upgrades if one of Ziebell, Daniher or Dow come out firing,

Both teams have a lot of M/F Rookies for easy interchange.

Team 2 Ringo ..can not fault.

Thanks for the comments and warming to Team 2.  Laird and Heeney may be shunted for Stewart and Zorko (Biased but not entirely set on him but he played most of last year with a niggle.)
Now gives me this reasonably even bye structure
Rd 12 - Stewart, Dangerfield Rowell and Ziebell if still in play.
Rd 13 - Williams Neale, Merrett, Zorko and Daniher if still in play.
Rd 14 - Lloyd, Oliver, Gawn, Grundy, Marsall

I think it's going to be tough to find good rookies this year so I like thr flexibility of the Preuss option at R2.

I read an article on Zorko the other day that said he is expecting to play forward the majority of the time. He should still have a decent floor with his tackling but it may hurt his scores.

I keep reading Rayner is expected to move into the midfield on a more permanent basis. He could be a left field option.

Thanks Matt

Rayner has returned a lot fitter than last year and as you rightly said is expected to spend more time rolling through mids. However have been burnt by him the last 2 years expecting him to break out.

Looks like with forward options this year it is the line to go week on and surely Zeibell, Daniher can last more than a few games and make cash.  Both have been flying pre-season so that is a good sign.

Difficulty is going to be Rookie mids and defenders and if that occurs may heve to revert to Team 1 structure. 

Like most needing to relook at team as a result of injuries to Marshall and Preuss.  Hoping one of the lower priced forwards can be upgraded to Marshall when he resumes.

So this is sitting team version 1034

Def: Lloyd, Laird, Williams, Grainger-Barass, Jones, Gould  (Chugg, Wehr)
Mids: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Rowell, Taranto, Phillips, Campbell, Cockatoo  (Ely Smith, Valente, Davies)
Rucks: Gawn, Grundy (Treacy)
Fwds: Dunkley, Heeney, Rozee, Ziebell, Daniher, Impey (Macrae, Durdin)

Byes:
Rd 12 Rowell, Taranto, Rozee, Zeibell. Impey
Rd 13 Williams, Neale, Cockatoo, Dunkley, Daniher
Rd 14 Lloyd, Laird, Oliver, Gawn, Grundy, Heeney

I honestly wouldn't pay much attention to the byes  this year. A couple of cases or delayed games and those byes are going to change pretty quickly. Just pick the players you think are best in the positions that you want them.

One guy missing from your squad that I feel is a must have is Heppell.

I would also try not to plan around Heeney considering he is in doubt for round 1 and will likely play deep forward.

Quote from: Mat0369 on February 18, 2021, 12:30:42 AM
I honestly wouldn't pay much attention to the byes  this year. A couple of cases or delayed games and those byes are going to change pretty quickly. Just pick the players you think are best in the positions that you want them.

One guy missing from your squad that I feel is a must have is Heppell.

I would also try not to plan around Heeney considering he is in doubt for round 1 and will likely play deep forward.

Agree with everything Mat has said!

In saying that I like the team apart from the Heeney pick who I have recently went cold on myself.

Thanks Guys - Heppell is still under consideration depending on rookies etc. At the moment difficult to get in with prems could downgrade Taranto to him but in my opinion bit of a risk at M5.

Heeney points taken and he is not certain.  Watching DeGoey, Bolton and Rayner in preseason practice matches and the one game.

Just listing byes players for my info usually start considering byes around Rd 7 normally if anything is normal these days.

Finally settled on a team and structure to sit.
11 keepers plus Rowell, Heppell, Zeibell and Daniher which I am comfortable with.

DEF: Lloyd, Laird, Luke McDonald, Williams Jones Gould  (Highmore, Chugg)
MID: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Danger Rowell, Heppell Powell, Ely Smith  (Downie, Gulden, McNeil)
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy  (Flynn)
FWDS: Dusty Martin, Ziebell, Daniher. Impey Campbell, Rowe  (Treacy, Waterman)

Nice bye structure for premiums and possible premiums in italics.

Plan B if rookies do not get named as onl 10k cash left
a) Downgrade Rowell to Green or Taranto
b) Downgrade Dusty to Heeney
c) Downgrade Williams to Duggan

Obviously planning to move Danger forward in due course,

Fire away with criticisms

Very similar looking side to mine so obviously I am a fan!

Slightly thinner on the top end premiums but it allows you to get Heppell in which is very handy.

Great side! I think you’ll start the year very strong.

After the preseason games have adjusted team to guns and rookies who I will think start. In selecting the lower priced rookies hoping for more cash gains.

11 definite keepers plus Taranto and maybe one of Zeibell, Daniher, Impey for F6

Def:  Lloyd, Laird, Stewart, Short,Clark, Kosi  (Briggs, Highmore)
Mid: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, Danger, Taranto, Campbell. Powell, Gulden  (Brockman, Downie,Scott)
Ruck: Gawn, Grundy (Flynn)
Fwds; Martin, Zeibell, Daniher, Impey, Fullarton, Rowe (Bergman, Treacy)
!1k cash left

If Flynn not named will sub Meek.

Still debating D4 and M5 - Do I go Duggan and Fyfe instead of Short andTarantol.  Also considering Green instead of Taranto so will be watching tonights game with interest.

Other issue watching is Neale down to Bont given Neales record against Swans and possibility of drop of up to 50k in initial 4 weeks.  Risk but not sure I will do it.

Quote from: Mat0369 on February 18, 2021, 12:30:42 AM
I honestly wouldn't pay much attention to the byes  this year. A couple of cases or delayed games and those byes are going to change pretty quickly. Just pick the players you think are best in the positions that you want them.

One guy missing from your squad that I feel is a must have is Heppell.

I would also try not to plan around Heeney considering he is in doubt for round 1 and will likely play deep forward.

I was all over Heppell when SC opened but there seems to be a few hollering Admiral Akbar's famous 'It's a trap!' one liner. The pros for me is Saad leaving creates more of a rebounding role which is SC friendly & Heppell has a 85 floor even in that role. The con is he could wind up getting 80s & 90s for the rest of the year & only marginally improve his price. It's a lowish risk and he can also be used in a correction trade if another rookie emerges.

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Sitting Team till we know rookies next week $16k. Named Rookies who I think may play but some are 50/50 eg Treacy and Briggs

Tried to avoid players below $500k and think Rowell and Houston sound at just below that figure.

If cash required to adjust rookies:

Plan A Neale down to Bontempelli - We know he only has to move to get SC points. Neale with a break even of 134 plays Sydney and he does not have a good record against them career average 80 (86,45, 112,44, 110,108,55) so fall in price could be on the cards. Frees up 100k to adjust rookies and maybe upgrade Houston/Rowell.

Plan B Rowell down to Taranto/Green risky M5.

Plan C Risky Downgrade Zorko to Phillips 

Plan D If only minimum cash injection required downgrade Impey to a playing rook.

11 definite keepers plus Rowell and maybeif both Zeibell and Daniher stay fit and play to the previous form F5 and F6

Nice bye structure as well

Rings looking good why Zorko and your thoughts on Jarrod Berry

Quote from: Ringo on March 10, 2021, 11:21:29 AM
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Sitting Team till we know rookies next week $16k. Named Rookies who I think may play but some are 50/50 eg Treacy and Briggs

Tried to avoid players below $500k and think Rowell and Houston sound at just below that figure.

If cash required to adjust rookies:

Plan A Neale down to Bontempelli - We know he only has to move to get SC points. Neale with a break even of 134 plays Sydney and he does not have a good record against them career average 80 (86,45, 112,44, 110,108,55) so fall in price could be on the cards. Frees up 100k to adjust rookies and maybe upgrade Houston/Rowell.

Plan B Rowell down to Taranto/Green risky M5.

Plan C Risky Downgrade Zorko to Phillips 

Plan D If only minimum cash injection required downgrade Impey to a playing rook.

11 definite keepers plus Rowell and maybeif both Zeibell and Daniher stay fit and play to the previous form F5 and F6

Nice bye structure as well

Nice team. Your team structure is very similar from mine apart from an extra premo in the mid instead of fwd line (danger) and that you have an extra fwd midpricer in daniher vs i spend up from merett to Macrae and i have short and warner instead of houston and Daniher .

Love that you still pick alot of lions players.

Quote from: Samsturmfels on March 10, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
Nice team. Your team structure is very similar from mine apart from an extra premo in the mid instead of fwd line (danger) and that you have an extra fwd midpricer in daniher vs i spend up from merett to Macrae and i have short and warner instead of houston and Daniher .

Love that you still pick alot of lions players.

took him about 4 years to stop picking rich :)

+1 on why zorko

Quote from: Colliwobblers on March 10, 2021, 09:44:29 PM

Quote from: Samsturmfels on March 10, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
Nice team. Your team structure is very similar from mine apart from an extra premo in the mid instead of fwd line (danger) and that you have an extra fwd midpricer in daniher vs i spend up from merett to Macrae and i have short and warner instead of houston and Daniher .

Love that you still pick alot of lions players.

took him about 4 years to stop picking rich :)

+1 on why zorko

Thanks guys Zorko is a speculative pick with spending more time forward he could increase his scoring by kicking more goals and can tackle as well.  Depending on rookies etc F! may be Zorko, Dusty or Dunkley.

Neale will be a top mid so picks himself.

Fullarton will replace McStay and hoping to get price rise out of him before McStay returns.

Daniher we know and trust he can perform for Lions.

Are you going to Easter Thursday Collie?

I certainly am. Great team by the way and thanks for advice as always.

Got an interstate membership again for me and my daughters this year, haven't looked at reserved seats or details yet (probably should)

There's teams I can't abide losing to, west coast, geelong,  fortunately Brisbane isn't one of them.

You?

Quote from: Colliwobblers on March 10, 2021, 10:13:08 PM
I certainly am. Great team by the way and thanks for advice as always.

Got an interstate membership again for me and my daughters this year, haven't looked at reserved seats or details yet (probably should)

There's teams I can't abide losing to, west coast, geelong,  fortunately Brisbane isn't one of them.

You?

Full membership as usual so have reserved seats. May get to use September membership this year after all. Priority allocation to finals tickets. 

Quote from: Ringo on March 10, 2021, 10:20:12 PM

Quote from: Colliwobblers on March 10, 2021, 10:13:08 PM
I certainly am. Great team by the way and thanks for advice as always.

Got an interstate membership again for me and my daughters this year, haven't looked at reserved seats or details yet (probably should)

There's teams I can't abide losing to, west coast, geelong,  fortunately Brisbane isn't one of them.

You?

Full membership as usual so have reserved seats. May get to use September membership this year after all. Priority allocation to finals tickets.

Yes be a good year for the Lions finals are certain.

Pies membership is worth it for anzac day alone. I'll go back to full next year I think. lot to pay (family) for 2-3 games a year + finals if any being interstate but worth it none the less. Wasn't game to fork out this year given travel uncertainties but looks like we are on top of all that now thank goodness.

Will touch base before the game maybe we can catch up and say hi finally.

Quote from: whynot102 on March 10, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
Rings looking good why Zorko and your thoughts on Jarrod Berry

Quote from: Ringo on March 10, 2021, 11:21:29 AM
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Sitting Team till we know rookies next week $16k. Named Rookies who I think may play but some are 50/50 eg Treacy and Briggs

Tried to avoid players below $500k and think Rowell and Houston sound at just below that figure.

If cash required to adjust rookies:

Plan A Neale down to Bontempelli - We know he only has to move to get SC points. Neale with a break even of 134 plays Sydney and he does not have a good record against them career average 80 (86,45, 112,44, 110,108,55) so fall in price could be on the cards. Frees up 100k to adjust rookies and maybe upgrade Houston/Rowell.

Plan B Rowell down to Taranto/Green risky M5.

Plan C Risky Downgrade Zorko to Phillips 

Plan D If only minimum cash injection required downgrade Impey to a playing rook.

11 definite keepers plus Rowell and maybeif both Zeibell and Daniher stay fit and play to the previous form F5 and F6

Nice bye structure as well

Berry and Bailey are the 2 I am picking from Lions to go to next level similar to Clugg last year,

Here are 2 Teams for consideration

Team 1 with the 4,4,2,1 Prem structure plus Rowell

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Team 2 with a 5 ,5, 2 Structure with Zeibell and Daniher possibly being keepers at F5 and F6.


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Risky but warming to Team 2.

i think team 2 is better.

i think my best team was the one that had two forwards in the midfield... i just couldnt do it :)

i would have clark in the second team. if at all possible.

If you went with team one but turned Rowell into Taranto can you afford to turn Houston into Ridley? If you could that is the structure I would go with.

Have settled on this team with possible changes to D4 and F1
Basically Stewart and Martin v Short/Howe and Dunkley. Final decision maybe based on rookies playing.

Using Bramble at M9 as floating donut due to Hawks Initial Draw.

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Reasonable bye Structure

Hey Ringo, whats Jordans JS like? as id assume once Melksham and Viney return Jordan could be pushed out of the side (although i know nothing about him).

Is durdin just a placeholder or are you expecting him to play? (as he didnt feature in the preseason game).

Id also consider picking Anthony Scott as he is likely to play and scored a 79 in 82% game time in the practice game. Although i am not totally sure on his JS, he is a mature-aged player and doggies have lost Mclean and Crozier for a long period of time. Also scott can play multiple positions.

Thank You - As I said dependent on rookies being named. Scott if named will come in. Happy with prems now apart from above and starting to lean towards Short and Dunkley.

Structure looks pretty solid. I think it's all going to depend on rookies moving forward and who is available.

With 2 days to first game time to list my probable Rd 1 team.

(https://i.gyazo.com/571bf6d67d38220d4f8a544daca5f513.png)


If more cash required for higher priced rookies then theses are possible adjustments
Dusty down to Cripps.

Left Lloyd out as he is coming off injury and suspect he may not be at peak and could possibly fall in value. Have gone Young over Clarke mainly because of JS but if Clarke retains position in team with Duncan returning may trade down as correctional trade for extra cash and better cash generation.

Will be using M9 for the floating donut now that that Flynn is confirmed (After this week Hawks have 5 Sunday games)

Just now awaiting rookie confirmations.

Impressive squad, think you will get off to a good start.

Cheers for all your help on my team Ringo!

Young, as you identified, probably has better job security than Clark. His ceiling as scorer though is quite limited IMO though. So if Clark doesn't play and you need cash for rookies, I like Butts from Adelaide over Young.

Regardless, impressive team and I wish you the best of luck with it!

Are you confident Fullarton, Bergman, Rowe, Durdin and Scott are going to play every week?

12 premium keepers, outstanding, 2 fwds in the mids but I'll turn a blind eye to that :)

Still got the three mid priced cows too, I agree on Lloyd, not sure he'll start slow but think the extra 100K is more useful elsewhere and make him #1 upgrade target. Feel the same way about Neale, but fat chance of getting him out of your team :)

I'm backing Clark in the geelong article buoyed me and I'm clueless on young. 

Looks like your best side yet only worry being the low priced rooks but fingers crossed they all get named.

I wouldn't be upset having cripps if thats required and theres always a bit of coin if you bring short back in for ridley, im also locked on daniel and stewart, and laird but i have short for $$ saving.

Good luck for the season, I've got my membership sorted so I'll be seeing you the first Thursday in April.

I think you may need to use some of that extra cash for rookies. I don't think Chugg, and Durdin will play. You also have Bramble as your rolling donut which is fair, but you may end up with a few donuts at those spots with the other two.

You have a feeling Smith will get Rayner's spot?

Quote from: greco272 on March 16, 2021, 08:37:15 PM
Are you confident Fullarton, Bergman, Rowe, Durdin and Scott are going to play every week?

They won't unfortunately. I don't see Durdin getting a gig for a while. Fullarton is in for McStay if he plays but the Lions will probably be too top heavy with Daniher, Hipwood and Fullarton all in the same team. Bergman is a 50/50 proposition and could be out just as quick as he goes in. I would only hold him as a bench option

Thanks to all

Already made some adjustments to rookies as we get more and more information.  Moved Ely Smith to replace Durdin and Brought in Bruhn.  Awaiting listing to decide on defence but if nothing eventuates Chugg may  become Murray.

McStay is probably gone for the first 3 rounds at least so Fullarton will make some cash and an easy downgrade to rookies that come in.

Hoping to hear something in the next day or two confirming Elys debut but word is he will get first go at it over Mattheson.

Quote from: Ringo on March 17, 2021, 11:01:26 AM
Thanks to all

Already made some adjustments to rookies as we get more and more information.  Moved Ely Smith to replace Durdin and Brought in Bruhn.  Awaiting listing to decide on defence but if nothing eventuates Chugg may  become Murray.

McStay is probably gone for the first 3 rounds at least so Fullarton will make some cash and an easy downgrade to rookies that come in.

Hoping to hear something in the next day or two confirming Elys debut but word is he will get first go at it over Mattheson.

Fullarton to Treacy is firmly in my sights, 2-3 price rises might be enough. Clearly he won't play the whole season but that's not the point.

Final Team for Rd 1:

Regretting the Dow Pick but even he averages 65 will still make 150k by rd 7. Adjustments made with rookies and using Bramble as the floating donut.

(https://i.gyazo.com/4c6b8b57776f099bc90d93c8fcb8b9d1.png)

Reckon you should switch Bramble to Fyfe, means you can loop your mid & defensive bench.

Thought of that but concerned that he may be named as emergency sub and hawks now have 5 Sunday games so perfect. 

Quote from: Ringo on March 20, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
Thought of that but concerned that he may be named as emergency sub and hawks now have 5 Sunday games so perfect.

Reckon he's a mile off being selected, Brisbane play early so plant the E on Sharp & switch Fyfe with Laird if Sharp does well. Honestly reckon a roving loophole is the way to go.

Quote from: Bully on March 20, 2021, 01:16:09 PM

Quote from: Ringo on March 20, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
Thought of that but concerned that he may be named as emergency sub and hawks now have 5 Sunday games so perfect.

Reckon he's a mile off being selected, Brisbane play early so plant the E on Sharp & switch Fyfe with Laird if Sharp does well. Honestly reckon a roving loophole is the way to go.

Done the change for better or worse but can see the logic.

Well Rd 1 done and dusted:

Rd 1 Score 2031
Rd 2 Position: 16305

Like most disappointed at the GG Ruck but am keeping with them.

Playing Berry over Gulden hurt scores a bit. Should have gone with head and not heart on Neal knowing that swans usually keep him low and having the C on him hurt.

Rd 1 Team:

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Trades to be done Danger to Titchell or Dunkley if gone for 2 weeks or more,
Will keep if only 2 weeks.
Will continue to monitor rookies and may look at adjustments Rd 3, Jordan the main one really missing.

Will you have the suitable coverage if Danger cops 2 weeks and Scott gets dropped? You'll be losing two weeks of Premium scores to be getting one of Berry/Brockman which could be a recipe for disaster. I guess it depends on if you're going for the league win or making a tilt at overall. If you're looking at overall I feel Danger to Dunkley will leave you in the best spot for correction trades the following week.

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 22, 2021, 06:44:30 PM
Will you have the suitable coverage if Danger cops 2 weeks and Scott gets dropped? You'll be losing two weeks of Premium scores to be getting one of Berry/Brockman which could be a recipe for disaster. I guess it depends on if you're going for the league win or making a tilt at overall. If you're looking at overall I feel Danger to Dunkley will leave you in the best spot for correction trades the following week.

Should have mentioned 50/50 on keeping as I did in ADT team. 

reckon danger has to get 3... so probably get 1.

not considering williams for danger? nothing surer than carlton needing a third midfielder...

Quote from: Colliwobblers on March 22, 2021, 10:54:09 PM
reckon danger has to get 3... so probably get 1.

not considering williams for danger? nothing surer than carlton needing a third midfielder...

Considered it but just feel Titchell or Dunks may be the better scorers. Still not convinced on Williams yet. Targeting him after 3 decent games to show what he is doing.

Yeah can't go wrong with either of those Titch is what he is and just about anyone wearing a bulldogs jumpers good for a ton given the style theyr'e playing. I don't think williams is near the level of those premium mids but so cheap and a potential DEF keeper.

Sticking with the rucks? I don't see me downgrading but I khow they aren't going to score like in the past with the new game. Not until the coaches find a way to jam it up and make footy ugly again. Here's hoping they can't find a way!

Quote from: Colliwobblers on March 22, 2021, 11:11:28 PM
Yeah can't go wrong with either of those Titch is what he is and just about anyone wearing a bulldogs jumpers good for a ton given the style theyr'e playing. I don't think williams is near the level of those premium mids but so cheap and a potential DEF keeper.

Sticking with the rucks? I don't see me downgrading but I khow they aren't going to score like in the past with the new game. Not until the coaches find a way to jam it up and make footy ugly again. Here's hoping they can't find a way!

I am sticking with the rucks as I am sure GG will start to work it out.  may not get back to the the big scores but will probably be Top 2 again this year,  Saturday night both Big O and Hickey tonned up and that was basically due to their work around the ground as well.

Rd 2 Results


Rd 2 Score 2173
Rd 2 Position: 27013
Overall Position: 16069 (Up 236)

Trades completed - Dangerfield to Mitchell and Bramble to Jordon. 

Rd 3 Probably sitting - Dow an issue - Will use Sharp as floating donut if not selected because of flexibility with DPP. Fullarton unsure but happy to sit with him as well.  Basically no rookies I feel comfortable with to down grade. Just need to ensure that play right rookies on field eg Campbells 118 on bench.  May swap Campbell and Brockman and and sit Dow on bench,



(https://i.gyazo.com/cc68595e6a96ce8051c8053b53776047.png)

Any comments welcome.

Hey Ringo,

I think you need to pull the trigger on Cripps, who could you get him to - if you were to consider a trade?

Neale is a bigger issue than Cripps if I'm being honest. I watched the majority of the first half on my phone and he was downright horrid.

Walkers BE is -114 he'll go up $90k plus this week and pay for himself if you had the money in the bank to upgrade Dow you'd have that money back in profit next round.

If not, I'm considering Cripps amongst others to Walker. He's too much profit to ignore even if he immediately tapers right off, can be justified as a rookie correction trade I reckon, and if you get even a few more weeks of that scoring BONUS.

Neale to Macrae/Dunkley and Dow to Walker would actually work. You could also pocket a ton of cash from the Dunkley trade. Neale has a ridiculous BE and the Lions could get abused at the stoppages by the Pies on Thursday.

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 30, 2021, 12:16:24 AM
Neale to Macrae/Dunkley and Dow to Walker would actually work. You could also pocket a ton of cash from the Dunkley trade. Neale has a ridiculous BE and the Lions could get abused at the stoppages by the Pies on Thursday.

Thanks Matt that is something I am considering  but in the back of my mind am I burning 2 trades,  Walker with the huge B/e will rise in cash and allow one of Zeibell. Daniher or himself up to Marshall in a few Rounds and also Danger back in.
Thoughts on Bont though as an alternative.

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 30, 2021, 12:16:24 AM
Neale to Macrae/Dunkley and Dow to Walker would actually work. You could also pocket a ton of cash from the Dunkley trade. Neale has a ridiculous BE and the Lions could get abused at the stoppages by the Pies on Thursday.

Enter the Greenwood

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 30, 2021, 12:16:24 AM
Neale to Macrae/Dunkley and Dow to Walker would actually work. You could also pocket a ton of cash from the Dunkley trade. Neale has a ridiculous BE and the Lions could get abused at the stoppages by the Pies on Thursday.

He's been heavily tagged this last 4-weeks. Collingwood won't tag unless Greenwood plays, even then Buckley sounded like we won't. Dogs will go H2H, dons won't bother and Teague has never shown an interest in tagging. I'm confident Neale is averaging back over 105-110 in 4 weeks time. Not sure trading him is the right move tbh.

I'm planning to bring him in in a few weeks time after he's bottomed out. If I had him I'd be holding.

Another Option I am considering just the one trade Cripps to Butters via Dusty to mids. After reading Cripps articles.
Insufficient to go Dow/Daniher to Tex so may suck it up.

Bonts a SC scorer, won't ever do as much as macrae or dunkley  but does what he does mostly right and mostly when it matters enter the mystery SC boosts :)

I've settled "almost" on cripps to tex. along with my rookie correction you did last round.

I guess the question is, is a trade to get neale out to save money lost going to net you better scoring than a trade to get tex in to make similar or more money than you'll lose on neale (probably then regain anyway?) if that makes sense

Be tempting to do both as Matt suggests but the Neale one is sideways if he bounces back and we shouldnt sideways.. but we do :)

Adelaides got Suns (at home) , North , Freo (at home) , Hawks , GWS (at home) . That's about as good a run as it gets...

Butters is a brave trade, so young... possibly the right one but brave. he's got to be a keeper season long.

Quote from: Ringo on March 30, 2021, 07:19:36 PM
Another Option I am considering just the one trade Cripps to Butters via Dusty to mids. After reading Cripps articles.
Insufficient to go Dow/Daniher to Tex so may suck it up.

Why not Cripps to Tex instead?

So basically looks have a couple of options

1. Cripps to Tex Walker leaving $226k for upgrades or a second rookie trade maybe.

2. Neale to Dunkley, Dow to Walker  leaving 67k

3. Neale to Dunkley, Cripps to Macrae leaving 36K

Decisions, Decisions. Leaning slightly to just Cripps to Walker.

I'm also thinking of Cripps to Walker, by moving Campbell to mids.

gives me a bank balance of $226,800 going forward. Otherwise i only have $1,300 in the bank.

mids look like:
Steele, Oliver, Petracca, Bontempelli, Campbell, Jordon, Berry, Gulden (Brockman, McNeil, Scott)
Fwds:
Dunkley, Martin, DeGoey, Walker, Ziebell, Warner (Daniher, Rowe)

I always play by the rule of putting my highest averages on the field which is why Daniher currently occupies a bench spot and Warner is on field.

Quote from: Ringo on March 30, 2021, 11:28:40 PM
So basically looks have a couple of options

1. Cripps to Tex Walker leaving $226k for upgrades or a second rookie trade maybe.

2. Neale to Dunkley, Dow to Walker  leaving 67k

3. Neale to Dunkley, Cripps to Macrae leaving 36K

Decisions, Decisions. Leaning slightly to just Cripps to Walker.

I like option 2. You have a nice chunk of change, get a guy that's a keeper and an improved cash cow over Dow. Worst case scenario Tex flops and you've still made 100k and can use the spare 67k to turn him into a premium.

Also thinking of just sitting as I have all the cash making rookies to upgrade in due course and save some trades after doing 2 last week.

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No trades for Rd 3

Current Team

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So the big issues I have are Neale do I ride him out as I think he will still be a top 10 mid and save a trade.  Can Trade to Dunkley and increase cash by $70k.
Rookie Issues - Kosi, Brockman, Fullarton, Sharp, Rowe. Dow and Clark.

Thinking of 1 trade as Kosi did not make enough to do straight to Chapman so Dow to Chapman via DPP. Then maybe Fullarton if not named to Waterman. Rowe has JS so he can slow burn. 

Any other suggestions.

Solid round mate, similar to mine and in rank and we headed in different directions this week. Well done backing Cripps in.

When you look at it Oliver isn't going to be far behind neale in bleeding cash .... He copped the hard tag this week and he's going to cop it again next week and he doesn't handle it well either. Both premiums I'd hold on both.

Dow has to go! that's your issue #1.

What's killing us is the 20-30 points scores on field each week, ones going to be defense and seem to cop one across mid/fwd line each week

I'd be Dow to waterman or Robertson - Didn't watch waterman but Robertson looked very good. You probably know more about him than most of us.

and any one of the 3 rookie defenders (least likely to play regularly) to chapman.

Only other options down back which you could afford if you go waterman are..

L Parks (either way), or any of idun, cox, butts, but they're all pretty expensive.  Still Have to get those low scorers OFF the park.

Idun was solid this week looked very good behind the ball could have an impact and score well but $214..... may be too much same for cox and butts and burgess for that matter all around the $200k

Dow to Chapman using Brockman/Sharp is move number 1. Highmore should come back this week after the Saints performance (I feel he may have been out due to team balance and it was a mistake looking at the way Stringer played), Kosi will probably get dropped for O'Brien and it gives you some cash gen down back.

I'd still be inclined to make the Neale to Dunkley trade although I feel the time to do it was last week. It's highly likely they end up even in terms of dollars at the end of this round.

Use next week to cull the other dud rookies and then start your upgrades with your mini war chest the following week.

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Rd 4 Trade Just Dow to Chapman - Should have bit the bullet on Neal but have to hold now.
Surprised average score so high with the carnage.

Rd 4 Team

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Will be waiting on teams but one trade will be Waterman in but not sure who goes out of Kosi, Jordon or Fullarton.  Jordon gives most cash generation. Thought about Campbell but he has the JS which other do not so he survives a bit longer.

2nd trade Regardless of Tribunal is Daniels to ?  Thinking Houston, Short, Bowes  or a cash grab (although only 77k) with Jiath. (Will he keep it up as he looks to be improving each week) 

Jordon is probably close to topped out and could get dropped. Fullarton is also struggling but I think you need to bank as much cash as possible in the Waterman trade. Campbell will likely bleed money this week but I imagine the BE is manageable after the 29 comes out. I'd probably lean towards Jordon since he has stalled and could play VFL this week.

I'd up Daniels to any of the three defenders you mentioned - jiath only if he's a keeper.
might be a better move to go early on jones instead from Daniel if it's cash you need.

Agree on Jordon out of those but I needed Campbells $$ for the ridler, so he got the chop for me.

If clarke gets dropped (unlikley) i'd be daniels to chapman and clarke to jones and a week late on waterman too ... sigh.

Clarke might not be scoring well but he's holding down a spot for us with no cover! :)

One of these days will get my benchs right had Jordon as emergency over Berry.

Rd 5 results

Rd 5 Score 2167
Rd 5 Rank 27,509
Overall Rank 15,051
Cash $90,100
Trades Remaining 25

Trades: Daniel to Bowes and jinxed him and Fullarton to Waterman.

Rd 5 Team
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Not sure on trades at all this week Ridley will have to go to pine unless injury is more serious, Swans rookies are slowing down so their cash generation is stagnating.  With the AFL removing Thursday night fixtures can hold trades toll Saturday to sort,

At the moment for cash gain thinking one of Gulden or Warner to a rookie  and then Clark to Ryan based on this quote:
Fremantle: "That was one of the bonuses out of the team we picked today, Griff (Logue) was able to come in.. And that just allowed us to free Luke (Ryan) up to play Luke's normal role"
Could go Rich instead around same price.  (Was in my thinking in the Daniel trade and should have stayed with it but tried to put my Lions Bias aside)
Other Option to consider Warner to Jachlan Jones moving Laird to mids and then Clark as above.  May prefer this as it gives another week to look at Macrae.
Another option is 1 trade Clarke to Aliir but that is a risk with Bowes as well.  Is Aliir good enough to hold D6.

Probably change mind 100 times between now and Saturday

Good result considering the weeks carnage. Ridley had a "face" that became concussion hoping for a week only,
31 points from 3 seconds onfield not too bad :D

Bowes doesn't tackle. AT ALL. I got on, don't think he's supposed to but man was he frustrating to watch....

Think he'll be just fine doing what he does do, bulldogs is about as bad as is it's going to get for oppo...

Good job holding daniher I wish i had, and good job C on gawn, was some tempting VC options.

I'd back rich over aliir , he's in mundy form. ;)

You're honestly not alone with the rookies. I don't think I have nailed them all year.

I wouldn't go near Aliir. Rich is a great POD and the kick in rules really suit him. He is one I have been considering in defence so I like that pick. At a similar price point I feel Ryan may be better value but I think both are really solid picks that could fire.

I think your best bet may be Clark>Jones and Gulden/Warner to the best mid you can afford. I'd look at Guden over Warner since fielding Brockman/Waterman/Scott isn't ideal. However I'm not sure if you can afford an Oliver type with your cash available so Ryan may be your best bet

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 20, 2021, 12:47:57 AM
You're honestly not alone with the rookies. I don't think I have nailed them all year.

I wouldn't go near Aliir. Rich is a great POD and the kick in rules really suit him. He is one I have been considering in defence so I like that pick. At a similar price point I feel Ryan may be better value but I think both are really solid picks that could fire.

I think your best bet may be Clark>Jones and Gulden/Warner to the best mid you can afford. I'd look at Guden over Warner since fielding Brockman/Waterman/Scott isn't ideal. However I'm not sure if you can afford an Oliver type with your cash available so Ryan may be your best bet

Ryan is strong mature and will see the season out.
IMO Ryan the Rich!

Team announcements and VFL announcements have complicated things: Brockman and Waterman have been named in VFL, Clark as expected not named and Campbell not named so change of mind at this stage.
Campbell to McCreery and Clark to Lever/Scholl/McGovern/Brodie Smith (only backs I can afford)

Wait, Waterman was named in the VFL team? F***

Lever isn't a bad POD. He is living off intercept possessions right now

Quote from: Mat0369 on April 23, 2021, 07:50:39 PM
Wait, Waterman was named in the VFL team? F***

Lever isn't a bad POD. He is living off intercept possessions right now

Only concern though is May coming back

He has scored well with May in the side as well. I don't know if it's going to kill his scoring

Where did you find the VFL squad? I'm struggling to find it

Well again not the best for Rd 6

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Trades completed
Clark to Lever
Campbell to McCreery

Rd 6 Team

(https://i.gyazo.com/9f25142570711c872bb016e60706101b.png)

Trades this week
Neale to Bont/Boak/Walsh thinking Bont but think all will be top 10.

2nd trade do I ditch Dusty for Zorko or get on the Taylor/Impey train very late.  Impey will give me an extra 50k

Only 40k cash.

I'm over SC with injuries this year,  New Objective to break into the top 10k.

Have to hold Dusty, no point doing a sideways.

Yeah Dusty misses maybe a week. You have some dead weight  and topped out rookies as well in Berry, Sharp, Brockman, Waterman, Gulden and Rowe. I'd look at turning Neale into Zorko using Dusty and his DPP and then turning Gulden into either a rookie on any line or the BPA for what you can afford. You'll be playing with fire because an out  on just about any line could mean donut city this week.

Thinking of these

Berry to Fin Macrae and Neale to Macrae

Next week Chapman to Frederick (2nd look this week) and upgrade Gulden.

Thoughts

Gulden will bleed cash. I'd dump Gulden first for that reason. At least with Berry he won't lose any coin

Will know teams Friday night so basically which one not named.  Gulden has a BE of 76 so even if he scores 50 not too much loss.

I'd rather hold the rookie getting games, but 50/50. Not sold on macrae but again should be a rookie who at least is playing.
The other macrae as you've all said is an eventual must.

Neale to Macrae is a no brainer
You "should" have cover across all lines this week
So no need to trade rooks except to kick start cash generation
I would look at moving Berry/Brockman/Sharp
But would probably hold a week
Collingwood Macrae is on a very little bubble and who knows what Collingwood are going to be doing over the next weeks, team structure wise
I would only do the 1 trade this week

Just need to downgrade to afford Macrae.   So that is why the downgrade and will assess when Teams named Friday night.

Plan B is Neale to Lyons, Zorko, McCluggage, Boak, Bont, Fyfe or Treloar who seems to starting to gel at Dogs.

you can go very early on poulter, looks to be the business  for a downgrade

or i like treloar with 4 in row 110ish and dunkley out

Treloar will ping a hamstring at the most inopportune time. I think Bont or Lyons are your two best bets. Bont will be there at the pointy end and Lyons just flies under the radar.

Well not real good week but somehow still managed to go up in ratings. Stuffed up the VC Loophole which cost me 81 points and a much better ranking.

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Trades completed Rd 7
Just the one Neale to Bontempelli,

Rd 7 Team

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Also thinking just one trade this week Chapman to Frederick. 
Could upgrade Cripps but is that a waste of trade options are McCluggage, Guthrie, Miller, Zorko?

Have another week to look at Poulter and just hope Rowe does not drop too much or do I pull the trigger now?

Also considering next week Flynn to Bryan for cash,

I would 100% do Cripps to Guthrie.

These are the options as I see them after consideration

Chapman to Frederick definite

then
Option 1 Cripps to one of Guthrie, Miller, McCluggage, Zorko, Taranto, Treloar and Josh Kelly (Limited by cash to $590k)

or option 2

Swing Laird to mids and Cripps to May. Lloyd, Mills or Salem

Lloyd or Guthrie. Lloyd gives you a finished defence so I would probably go with that option

OK with both Berry and Rowe named and both giving bench cover and Frederick not named.

Trades
Chapman to Murphy
Cripps to Lloyd via Laird who becomes M6 at the moment.

When moving Lard back gives me a completed defence of Stewart, Lloyd, Ridley, Laird, Lever, Bowes.

Next week to decide on possible downgrades,

Rd 8 results

Rd 8 Score 2143
Rd 5 Rank 24,307
Overall Rank 16,100 (down 52)
Cash $27.700
Trades Remaining 20

Rd 8 trades Chapman to Murphy, Cripps to Lloyd via Laird

Rd 8 Team

(https://i.gyazo.com/abed786795a219dcb6393a265c2f221d.png)

Trusting team announced Thursday to assist trades

Probably a double downgrade but who will depend on teams in firing line Berry, Gulden, Kosi, Warner, Rowe.  Will depend on who is named and B/Es.  Poulter and RCD the downgrade target. Byrnes I think although an option has the least JS.

20 trades is a pretty good position considering a lot will have gone through a couple almost every week at this point.

I would probably look at Gulden>Poulter and Berry>RCD. That gives you enough cash to turn Kosi into someone like Steele next week.

Rd 9 results

Rd 9 Score 2,084
Rd 9 Rank 44710
Overall Rank 17,705 (down1605)
Cash $278,600
Trades Remaining 18

Having a shocking year yet to break 2200

Trades
Gulden to Poulter, Berry to Collier-Dawkins

Rd 9 Team

(https://i.gyazo.com/5bb1e8aa4055055853948bb86bb55f27.png)

Trades this week
Warner to Heeney
Unsure on second trade though  Powell probably to one of Macrae, Lyons, Steele, Zorko, Kelly but will probably come unstuck with team announcements,  Leaning towards Lyons/Macrae due to btes

Current Bye Structure
Rd 12 22 (10 premiums)
Rd 13 20 (11 premiums)
Rd 14  16 (10 premiums)  Problematic here but most in same boat.

Bowes getting subbed out hurt this week. Sharp has busted his leg so he is only useful as a loophole option now. Looking at your side I feel the most pressing needs are to start eliminating some of these rookies for premiums.

I understand the appeal in grabbing Heeney this week but I feel he is one that can backfire and burn you. I'd almost rather grab a Steele if you're going for Heeney just to keep a bit of cash in the bank. Otherwise you could consider a Brayshaw and Dale/Hall combo.

Looking towards byes so can go Powell to Macrae,Guthrie, Miller. Lyons or Zorko .  Zorko the cheapest and will leave ,e 100k+ for next upgrade and can move forward.  Miller could be a POD if he can maintain scoring, and Macrae Guthrie enough said.
Thinking maybe Zorko to maintain cash as no downgrade options coming through.

99% Warner to Heenet

Options for trade 2
Powell to Zorko +123k
Powell to Miller +42k
Powell to Guthrie +17k
Powell to Macrae + 23k

If Jones is named in 22 the looking at this:
Kosi to Jones|

See if Powell named and then decide
Powell as above.
or Warner to Zorko leaving a $230k balance for further upgrades.
Also noticed McCreery on extended Bench so he may move instead of Warner leaving 117k But can do Warner to Heeney next week.

I rate Macrae as the best of that bunch so he would be my preference. I wouldn't bother with Miller and if Macrae is cheaper than Guthrie I feel that's a must.

To avoid donut in back line by Keeping Bowes and Highmore and Murphy not named did these trades

Highmore to Jones and Powell to Zorko leaving me with 118k cash for next week.

Quote from: Ringo on May 22, 2021, 09:46:14 AM
To avoid donut in back line by Keeping Bowes and Highmore and Murphy not named did these trades

Highmore to Jones and Powell to Zorko leaving me with 118k cash for next week.

Great trades

Agreed. Both pretty solid trades. These defensive rookies are becoming a bit of a nightmare.

I have no idea why the hell the Pies would push so hard for Murphy to play last week to not bring him back this week.

All being well next week Madden with D/F DPP which could be useful upgrading down the track

Rowe/Scott to Madden and Warner upgrade to mid I can afford bringing Zorks back forward.

Rd 10 results

Rd 10 Score 2,250
Rd 10 Rank 26,121
Overall Rank 17,543 (up 162)
Cash $170.900
Trades Remaining 16

Trades done
Highmore to Jones and Powell to Zorko

Did not want to gamble on Murphy bot being called on as medical sub costing 68 points in the end.

Leaving this team

(https://i.gyazo.com/2765ce62e82ab0f1d6d53a4795d8b178.png)

One trade will be Scott to Madden (DPP will be handy when trading later as well)
2nd trade
Warner has the highest Break even. So do I trade to Hall, Heeney or Dale or Bring Zorko forward and get Macrae, Lyons, Parish or Miller. With Heeney plan is hopefully with easy draw he goes up 100k over the next 3 weeks till his bye and then just a small upgrade to Danger.
or as a left field trade Warner to Madden and Brockman to Cunnington getting another dead rookie of bench,

One thing I'm considering is a double down this week. It will give you a ton of cash to attack the first bye week

Quote from: Mat0369 on May 24, 2021, 02:09:39 PM
One thing I'm considering is a double down this week. It will give you a ton of cash to attack the first bye week

Thank You _ Just looked at this before reading your post Kosi - Madden and Scott to Weightman leaves $432k for upgrades.

Rd 11 results

Rd 11 Score 2,234
Rd 11 Rank  14,262
Overall Rank 15,909
Cash $23k
Trades Remaining 14

Trades done

Warner and Scott for Macrae and Madden

Leaving this Rd 11 Team

(https://i.gyazo.com/31c002b6996a02ea4cec2aac28fffcb6.png)

Thinking of doing a cash grab this week and strengthen benches:

Kosi, Flynn and Brockman to CCJ, Reeves and Bianco leaving $425k for upgrades.

Byes atm Rd 12 21 playing and 17 playing both Rds 13 and 14 but manageable with trades

5 Upgrades still required 

Next week McCreery to Homes another 90k and 2 upgrades leaving 8 trades and 3 upgrades,

Maybe leave the Flynn/Reeves till next week to see if Reeves named and just have bank 182k or even downgrade Grundy to Nat giving 224k on cash.

So think will settle on this Kosi/Brockman/Grundy to CCJ/Bianco/Nat.

Holmes will likely not play next round. I don't think he can be counted on. Have you considered trading Daniher out this week instead of the sideways trade of Brockman>Bianco? Daniher has a high BE and is starting to bleed cash. He will need to go next week anyway and you can probably turn him into a premo mid which will be tricky to get 3 guys in that position using your cash and available trades as they stand? I'd look at RCD to Bianco next week to pocket the cash.

So with Team announcement carnage

Settling on these trades Kosi/Brockman/Flynn to Hurn/Bianco and CCJ leaves me $140k and 11 trades

Next week one of Madden/McCreery to Reeves and then need to decide whether to cop a donut in Rd 13 or 14 or trade if suitable options are available.

Quote from: Ringo on June 04, 2021, 11:01:32 AM
So with Team announcement carnage

Settling on these trades Kosi/Brockman/Flynn to Hurn/Bianco and CCJ leaves me $140k and 11 trades

Next week one of Madden/McCreery to Reeves and then need to decide whether to cop a donut in Rd 13 or 14 or trade if suitable options are available.

I've looked at something similar & have the same donut dilemma in round 13. Think the benefits of bringing in Hurn this week will be completely erased next week if there are only 17 starters.

One option would be to hold off & grab Whitfield instead.

Thanks Bully - Hurn has a low B/E which is why I am looking this week. But point taken for next week as will have 16 before trades.  May take the risk though. 

Options 1:
Kosi/Brockman/Flynn to Hurn/Bianco and CCJ leaves me $140k and 11 trades.  Bye Structure 20/16/17

Option 2:
Flynn to CCJ, Brockman to Bianco 12 trades and 278k Bye Structure 19/16/17

Option 3:
Brockman to Bianco and Madden to CCJ. Removes 2 non playing rookies but little cash generation  12 trades 87k Bye structure  19/17/18

Option 4:
no trades leaving an 18/15/17 Bye structure and then look at byes to trade.

Still leaning towards 1 though,

Possibility that the Eagles and Tigers get moved to the next week which could cause more carnage.

Quote from: Mat0369 on June 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Possibility that the Eagles and Tigers get moved to the next week which could cause more carnage.

But the one good thing we will all be in the same leaking boat so whoever plugs leaks the best will come out on top.

Quote from: Mat0369 on June 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Possibility that the Eagles and Tigers get moved to the next week which could cause more carnage.

Round 14 is a quagmire, could have 11 premos missing.

Bit of an improvement this week but still a long way to go.

Rd 12 Score 1945
Rd 12 Position 20067
Overall Position 14703 (up 1,206)

Trades done for Rd 12 - Flynn/Kosi/Brockman to Bianco/Hurn/CCJ

So we get 2 extra trades but Rd 14 is really problematic,

Proposing these trades
Ridley to Miller
lever to Whitfield
McCreery to Reeves
RCD to Edwards (Need this trade to complete as 5k short for Whitfield)

Leaves this Rd 13 Team (19 playing not including the 2 defender bench)  With Zorkos suspension really going to tank Rd 14 but will try and see what can be salvaged.  9 trades left for Rd 14 onwards. 4 upgrades still required,

(https://i.gyazo.com/f387ef430990eb71e736db39cf893682.png)


Another Edit - with a different tack and do not mind this

Downgrade Grundy to Reeves, Lever to Whiffield, Ridley to Miller and McCreery to Kelly.

Leaves this team

(https://i.gyazo.com/90a2b5bdc0754e108238e32af8c9b753.png)

Defence complelete, 1 mid. 1 ruck and 2 forward upgrades required,  9 trades left and 64K

(https://i.gyazo.com/90a2b5bdc0754e108238e32af8c9b753.png)

Byes Rd 13 19 playing Rd 14 14 playing but hoping to get that to minimum 16 without disadvantaging prems.

Thoghts on both teams.

Not sure I'm a fan of sideways trading your premiums when you still have spud rookies in Sharp, Collier-Dawkins, Waterman, Madden, Sharp and Murphy chewing up bench spots and Jordon topped out. I'd be getting rid of Daniher before I trade a number of those guys as well.

Thanks Matt

Actually thinking these moves
Out Ridley, Lever, RCD, McReery if not making final cut or Madden.
In Whitfield, Miller, Reeves and Newcombe (early)

Personally I would look at getting rid of Rowe, Daniher, RCD and one of Sharp/Jordon.

Rowe has a BE of 90 and will need to go next week. Get rid of him before he bleeds even more cash

Daniher topped out a couple weeks back. He is the ideal stepping stone to a real premium.

RCD has been dropped and has to go. Topped out and likely will struggle to get back in

Jordon/Sharp are a toss up. You could get one more rise from Jordon since his BE is 50ish. He is gone next week anyway. Sharp only has use as a rolling donut right now. If you want to hold both those guys a week I'd dump Murphy. On an extended bench, playing forward and a BE in the 30's. He doesn't have a lot of cash left to make and you could swing Madden back who looks to be playing next week.

I really don't see the value in trading Lever/Ridley as both are still potential keepers. Ridley has stopped taking the kickouts which has seen his score dip. If he slowly gets those back he is averaging a ton. I'd still take the 80-90 every week from him compared to starting Rowe any further.

Lever has had the two spud scores but seems a luxury trade at this point.

Rd 13 Results:

Rd 13 Score 1,783
Rd 13 Rank  14.103
Overall Rank 15,880 (down 1,177)
Cash $23k
Trades Remaining 9

Trades done Ridley, Lever, RCD. Madden  out and in Miller, Whitfield, Reeves and Newcombe.

2 lessons learnt this week when reversing trades ensure your emergencies are reset correctly - Ended up with Stewart on pine with a net loss of 87 points.  And wait for Friday team announcements before finalising trades,

Leaves this as Rd 13 Team

(https://i.gyazo.com/04b14f0fdfc37eea80a204a3eef74d73.png)

At the moment if Reeves is selected only 14 players.

Know this may sound a little left field but considering downgrading Oliver and leaving just 2 upgrades with 5 trades remaining:

Option 1
Poulter/Oliver/Jordon/Rowe to Edwards/Josh Kelly/Langford or Boak/ Hall. This leaves 16 playing this week 17 if Reeves plays.

Option 2 Poulter/Jordon to Edwards/Josh Kelly. Depending if another rookie less than 123k pops up may do McCreery to that player and then Rowe to Langford. 

Well and truly over this year.

So byes are over and a slight improvement in overall during byes up 2561 places so goal of getting into top 10k still realistic.

Rd 14 results
Rd 14 Score 1,544
Rd 14 Rank  18,196
Overall Rank 13,348 (down 1,177)
Cash $9k
Trades Remaining 5

Rd 14 Trades: Jordon/ Poulter/Rowe/Waterman to Langford/Josh Kelly/Briggs/Bramble

Rd 14 team

(https://i.gyazo.com/e125427cf24575b6d0f5d2fb67ecc6c1.png)

Thinking of not trading this week. Only trade that may do is Jones to Edwards but then with Eagles players coming back his JS suspect.

I think hold to CCJ price maximised - you need the 5 trades

Rd 15 results
Rd 15 Score 2,484
Rd 15 Rank  3,218
Overall Rank 11,177 (Up 2,171)
Cash $9k
Trades Remaining 5

No Trades Rd 15

Rd 15 team

(https://i.gyazo.com/39a5dba6ab7769d0b66b97893c11c9d0.png)

Still may not trade this week unless something crops up or some injuries.

Rd 16 results - One of the ones who suffered with CCJ and incorrect VC choice,

Rd 16 Score 2, 183
Rd 16 Rank  43,578
Overall Rank 13,483 (Down 2,311)
Cash $9k
Trades Remaining 5

No Trades Rd 15

Rd 15 Team -

(https://i.gyazo.com/fb50aa60c4bc93eba0b47c60e509f509.png)

Not sure what trades to do but thinking should use 2 trades leaving 3 to help with goal getting into top 10k still

So thinking Jones to a M/f DPP $102k (Newchurch or Ginnivan) will be M9 and useful for loopholing
McCreery to Darling, Ainswerth, Weightman, TJ Lynch, Robertson.  Need to get CCJ off field and McCreery weeks away.

Thoughts

Robertson could be an option or de Goey