Teampicker opened today and put up my first team of the year.
In same spot as last year around ruck decisions.
Gawn/Grundy set and forget
Grundy/options
Gawn/options
See a number of ruck options
English should be able to step up another level and add 10-15pts per game
Preuss playing full time is capable of 100-120 depending on how he beds down. Ripe to breakout.
Draper - too young and will be up and down like english was.
NicNat - toorisky but a valid choice especially with Marshall and Ladhams being viable Fwd picks with DPP ruck status.
I have gone the Grundy/Preuss option as I see upside for both of them and small downside risks. really like Marshall and Ladhams in my fwds as well.
Gawn, Preuss, Treacy with R. Marshall forward.
Yeah I'm thinking Gawn and Preuss. I'm not going near Hickey and only difference I might potentially go with is Grundy over Gawn
Quote from: SilverLion on December 23, 2020, 12:32:57 AM
Gawn, Preuss, Treacy with R. Marshall forward.
Grundy, Preuss, Treacy with R.Marshall forward.
Quote from: enzedder on December 23, 2020, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on December 23, 2020, 12:32:57 AM
Gawn, Preuss, Treacy with R. Marshall forward.
Grundy, Preuss, Treacy with R.Marshall forward.
My current thoughts - Just need to ensure the 100k difference between Gawn and Grundy is wisely spent. At the moment is my team Allows Heppell at M6.
Quote from: SilverLion on December 23, 2020, 12:32:57 AM
Gawn, Preuss, Treacy with R. Marshall forward.
Throw away the key
::)
At this stage it's Grundy who I think will improve out of sight next season, all going well behind the scenes at Magpieland, and Preuss who has played understudy to two very good ones in Gawn and Goldstein, Treacy is R3 and Marshall selected forward. Like this set up atm.
:)
Quote from: Sabretooth Tigers on December 23, 2020, 10:36:55 PM
::)
At this stage it's Grundy who I think will improve out of sight next season, all going well behind the scenes at Magpieland, and Preuss who has played understudy to two very good ones in Gawn and Goldstein, Treacy is R3 and Marshall selected forward. Like this set up atm.
:)
Everything supports the above setups, Grundy, Preuss and Treacy with Marshall or Ladhams or both up forward.
BUT
I keep coming back to " how the flowering hell (did it for you mods ) do we get Gawn into our sides if he fires up early. Traditionally we rookie correct early followed by possible mid price breakouts then falling prems. After which it is usually bye set up. so where do we find the $'s and the time to trade in a possibly still 700k + ruck. He is a high scoring "C" regular and after all this cafuffle I reckon somehow I'm going to have to find a way to go the ever reliable Gawn/Grundy combo again. Think this will be one of those season defining decisions we face and unfortunately it appears there is no wrong decision at this stage. Good luck with it all, cheers.
:) ;) ??? ::) :-\ :-[
Preuss is locked for me! Should score around 100 with a strong GWS midfield underneath him.
Gawn and Grundy is who I am torn between!
I have went Gawn currently but think Grundy could easily be the #1 ruck this year.
I just can’t see how Preusscan make anywhere near enough in the early rounds against his projected opponents. IMO, stick with GG and look for value in the $200-$300k area to make money, Eve if it means 11-12 keepers rather than 12-13 starters
Found this on another site which may help Ruck Decisions.
Averages vs Rnd 1 opponents (last 3 games only):
Brodie Grundy 171
Max Gawn 144
;)
Starting to really warm to the idea of big Max running around with the big " C ", captain on his back V opponents who don't have him.
:)
Especially early in season when you see his fixture.
For those looking outside the GG option, Sean Darcy (Fremantle) may struggle to get up for R1
https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/852935/sean-darcy-injury-update
Is anyone keen on Stef Martin instead of Preuss?? At $276k, and a dominant midfield supporting him surely if fit he can make decent cash and be another decent stepping stone to Grundy.....
Need to watch Martin regarding injury if going that route. At his age probably will not also play all games. Fair option if he starts.
Quote from: Ringo on January 28, 2021, 07:07:13 PM
Need to watch Martin regarding injury if going that route. At his age probably will not also play all games. Fair option if he starts.
How about Fullarton instead of Treacy mate as R3 @128k. Treacy will be a good VC/C loophole but Fullarton might too plus offers the chance of being a cashcow. Thoughts or any peaty of wisdom?
Gawn, Grundy and Marshall share the Rd 14 bye so that could put a dampener on the GG combination.
Would it be fair to say that Preuss would average at least 20 ppg less than Grundy or Gawn ?
Quote from: sidvicious on January 30, 2021, 01:08:23 AM
Would it be fair to say that Preuss would average at least 20 ppg less than Grundy or Gawn ?
It depends on what you see them averaging. Grundy would be 115 minimum, Gawn about 120 and I see best case scenario a 90 for Preuss.
Quote from: Zabs on January 28, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
Is anyone keen on Stef Martin instead of Preuss?? At $276k, and a dominant midfield supporting him surely if fit he can make decent cash and be another decent stepping stone to Grundy.....
Two rucks don't usually score well together. Ryder and Marshall were an exception last year but I see Martin spending half his time forward or on the bench, with possible stints in the reserves if English is firing.
Quote from: Zabs on January 28, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
Is anyone keen on Stef Martin instead of Preuss?? At $276k, and a dominant midfield supporting him surely if fit he can make decent cash and be another decent stepping stone to Grundy.....
34 year old who didn’t do any good as a 33 year old, going to a club that has Tim English on the rise who has more kilos added on since last season strikes me as a no. I know they are working together and Martin was recruited to assist but Preuss as #1 with a great average as sole ruck in the past makes it a no brainer to me.
Two rucks did not work well at Brisbane imo last year. Stef appeared to be much slower around the ground and was not the influence he was previously possibly due to age catching up with him. Note it was only when Stef was out that Big O's scores increased.
Don't complicate it
Gawn, Grundy and Preuss are the only rucks to consider
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 01, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Don't complicate it
Gawn, Grundy and Preuss are the only rucks to consider
Couldn’t agree more.
Quote from: Ringo on February 01, 2021, 11:35:40 AM
Two rucks did not work well at Brisbane imo last year. Stef appeared to be much slower around the ground and was not the influence he was previously possibly due to age catching up with him. Note it was only when Stef was out that Big O's scores increased.
Wasn't Stef playing injured for the majority of the season? And it was a back which restricts mobility and how he gets around the ground
He is a trash forward regardless and if he does actually play with English he will play a lot of forward resulting in trash scores.
Quote from: Money Shot on February 01, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 01, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Don't complicate it
Gawn, Grundy and Preuss are the only rucks to consider
Couldn’t agree more.
Well said and agree. Just need to work out which one to partner Preuss. Will Gawn drop enough to enable upgrade given his nice early draw verse Grundy will he bounce back after 2020? Suspect the upgrade after the Round 14 bye which Gawn and Grundy share.
Tom Hickey anyone
Quote from: Ringo on February 01, 2021, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 01, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 01, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Don't complicate it
Gawn, Grundy and Preuss are the only rucks to consider
Couldn’t agree more.
Well said and agree. Just need to work out which one to partner Preuss. Will Gawn drop enough to enable upgrade given his nice early draw verse Grundy will he bounce back after 2020? Suspect the upgrade after the Round 14 bye which Gawn and Grundy share.
I've started GG for the last 3 years iirc, so not starting one of them feels so wrong, but at this stage as much as it pains me, I'm not starting Gawn
The only logic I am using is that Gawn won't back up 140 with normal length quarters, so should drop in price where as Grundy is capable of backing up 120
Grundy was absolutely gassed last year - you could see how buggered he was, so I'm backing him to bounce back
I think Preuss is capable of going 90ish, but we just need him to A) Stay fit, and B) punch out the odd 120 to crank up the cash gen, and then he should be able to hit 500k+, and Gawn could drop to 650kish, so Preuss to Gawn shouldn't be too hard
That's perfect world stuff though, so definitely a risk - Preuss could get injured etc, but that's where I stand atm
Quote from: Ringo on February 01, 2021, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 01, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 01, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Don't complicate it
Gawn, Grundy and Preuss are the only rucks to consider
Couldn’t agree more.
Well said and agree. Just need to work out which one to partner Preuss. Will Gawn drop enough to enable upgrade given his nice early draw verse Grundy will he bounce back after 2020? Suspect the upgrade after the Round 14 bye which Gawn and Grundy share.
One other legitimate option, even though most are putting him forward, is Marshall. I'm thinking about Grundy Marshall. Then swapping a topped out forward to Gawn at the byes by shifting Marshall forward.
Quote from: dmac07 on February 02, 2021, 12:11:28 AM
One other legitimate option, even though most are putting him forward, is Marshall. I'm thinking about Grundy Marshall. Then swapping a topped out forward to Gawn at the byes by shifting Marshall forward.
The advantage of Marshall is being able to start him forward in case you need ruck cover for an odd one week injury/suspension. Starting him in the ruck loses that coverage.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 02, 2021, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: dmac07 on February 02, 2021, 12:11:28 AM
One other legitimate option, even though most are putting him forward, is Marshall. I'm thinking about Grundy Marshall. Then swapping a topped out forward to Gawn at the byes by shifting Marshall forward.
The advantage of Marshall is being able to start him forward in case you need ruck cover for an odd one week injury/suspension. Starting him in the ruck loses that coverage.
Yep, and what's this topped out forward to Gawn plan look like?
My best guess would be your Ziebell pick, but it's easier to sideways to a Zorko than grab Gawn.
While Gawn will drop I don't think it's going to be that much. He was otherworldly last season and for those that wanted to bring him in you were looking around 700k. The Petracca inclusion into the midfiled was huge and it saw him get a ton of taps to advantage when you had Trac and Oliver at his feet. You also don't have the Preuss factor anymore and Jackson/Brown are pinch hitters at best.
Grundy is a different beast. There were games last year down the stretch where Cameron became the favoured ruck for the Pies. Cameron is still there and there might be games that this limits his output. The amount of minutes that he has rucked over the last few years might be starting to take a toll and 120ish may be his ceiling now. Still elite, but probably easier to grab down the track. His game is different to Gawn's since he relies on getting to contests and winning the ball himself to get those scores up.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 01, 2021, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: Ringo on February 01, 2021, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 01, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 01, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Don't complicate it
Gawn, Grundy and Preuss are the only rucks to consider
Couldn’t agree more.
Well said and agree. Just need to work out which one to partner Preuss. Will Gawn drop enough to enable upgrade given his nice early draw verse Grundy will he bounce back after 2020? Suspect the upgrade after the Round 14 bye which Gawn and Grundy share.
I've started GG for the last 3 years iirc, so not starting one of them feels so wrong, but at this stage as much as it pains me, I'm not starting Gawn
The only logic I am using is that Gawn won't back up 140 with normal length quarters, so should drop in price where as Grundy is capable of backing up 120
Grundy was absolutely gassed last year - you could see how buggered he was, so I'm backing him to bounce back
I think Preuss is capable of going 90ish, but we just need him to A) Stay fit, and B) punch out the odd 120 to crank up the cash gen, and then he should be able to hit 500k+, and Gawn could drop to 650kish, so Preuss to Gawn shouldn't be too hard
That's perfect world stuff though, so definitely a risk - Preuss could get injured etc, but that's where I stand atm
Don't know that Grundy was gassed last year although the games were thick and fast everyone was in the same boat it come out of the club that Grundy did not handle the hub life one little bit so think that was the cause of his drop off so he is on my radar this year but with covid and constant border closures any sign of clubs going into hubs again will be a rethink.
The thing with Preuss is he gets Marshall, Gawn and Grundy all in the first 4 weeks. That has made me sour on him, I've gone for Naismith instead for now.
Quote from: IntegralX on February 04, 2021, 03:38:47 PM
The thing with Preuss is he gets Marshall, Gawn and Grundy all in the first 4 weeks. That has made me sour on him, I've gone for Naismith instead for now.
I don't understand this thinking. It is not unusual for both teams rucks to score well. I believe Preuss is likely to average 100+ even over the first 4 games.
Quote from: crowls on February 04, 2021, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on February 04, 2021, 03:38:47 PM
The thing with Preuss is he gets Marshall, Gawn and Grundy all in the first 4 weeks. That has made me sour on him, I've gone for Naismith instead for now.
I don't understand this thinking. It is not unusual for both teams rucks to score well. I believe Preuss is likely to average 100+ even over the first 4 games.
Looking at previous history which is a small sample size over 3 years I can only find 2 games over 100 out of 18 but a lot of those he was sharing the ruck and playing fwd. I'm guessing GWS got him to be the No.1 ruck but Mummy is still there , he could go 100+ or he could go 80 against some quality opponents think I will start someone else and see how he goes it is always easier to downgrade to him before a price rise than it is to upgrade to another if he flops.
Quote from: crowls on February 04, 2021, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on February 04, 2021, 03:38:47 PM
The thing with Preuss is he gets Marshall, Gawn and Grundy all in the first 4 weeks. That has made me sour on him, I've gone for Naismith instead for now.
I don't understand this thinking. It is not unusual for both teams rucks to score well. I believe Preuss is likely to average 100+ even over the first 4 games.
This is true last season when Ruck scoring was wildly inflated across the board but this hasn't been the case in the past (at least against the elite rucks)
Not going near any Pies players to start with - the clubs a shambles at the moment - I want to see how theyre playing say round 5 so Im not starting Grundy
Gawn is really expensive but is perhaps worth it for the Captain and VC play - will probably come in before Rd 1 if my other players pick up a pre season niggle or a heap of rookies debut rd 1
At the moment I have Draper and Pruess and strongly considering Windscreens O'Brien
I think Draper will increase in value, if I can squeeze a 50K increase, and get Gawn 50K less early then Im happy
Quote from: bowyanger on February 08, 2021, 07:30:23 PM
Not going near any Pies players to start with - the clubs a shambles at the moment - I want to see how theyre playing say round 5 so Im not starting Grundy
Gawn is really expensive but is perhaps worth it for the Captain and VC play - will probably come in before Rd 1 if my other players pick up a pre season niggle or a heap of rookies debut rd 1
At the moment I have Draper and Pruess and strongly considering Windscreens O'Brien
I think Draper will increase in value, if I can squeeze a 50K increase, and get Gawn 50K less early then Im happy
The problem with upgrading to Gawn is that he’ll cost you two trades unless you start the year with 150-200k in the bank
Sure he’ll lose $ but it’s always # of trades that runs out before the cash does each year
Toying with Gawn and Preuss. Easier to bring in Grundy or whoever is R2, with Marshall forward it keeps the door open if he's the no. 2.
Means starting Dunkley/Martin/Marshall fwd rather then just 2 premo.
The more I think about it the more I think Gawn/Grundy is the way to go.
Preuss represents great value but Gawn and Grundy will be so hard to get in so it might be best to just start with them.
I didn’t start Lloyd last year because I thought I’d get him cheaper in the season... that didn’t happen.
I am officially all aboard the Grundy/Gawn train.
Quote from: crowls on December 22, 2020, 09:05:30 PM
Preuss playing full time is capable of 100-120 depending on how he beds down. Ripe to breakout.
Absolute certainty to average at least 120.
Quote from: Money Shot on February 10, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
The more I think about it the more I think Gawn/Grundy is the way to go.
Preuss represents great value but Gawn and Grundy will be so hard to get in so it might be best to just start with them.
I didn’t start Lloyd last year because I thought I’d get him cheaper in the season... that didn’t happen.
I am officially all aboard the Grundy/Gawn train.
;)
Totally agree MS. Best two rucks and good captain options. And could be almost impossible to trade in if we don't get gifted with a decent crop of playing rookies !!!!
:)
So now the GG combination moves to the fore.
But is it Gawn/Grundy
Or maybe
Grundy/Goldy?
Gold has averaged 112 the past 2 seasons so not shabby, yes another year older but .. just thinking .... that extra cash (over Gawn) could be useful given the possible impact of no Marshall, with so many playing him as a forward
;)
Have been Gawn, Grundy, Treacy with Marshall forward in all my teams. Still the same, with final decision depending on when Marshall will play. If I'm only going to miss one game with him, why not save a trade ?
:o
Quote from: Sabretooth Tigers on February 18, 2021, 04:14:13 AM
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Have been Gawn, Grundy, Treacy with Marshall forward in all my teams. Still the same, with final decision depending on when Marshall will play. If I'm only going to miss one game with him, why not save a trade ?
:o
Reading the article it says he will be sidelined for at least 4 weeks with hope he can ramp up his recovery after that so that sounds like he is going to be out for more than R1 , looking at that I will not start him unless there is any good news before R1.
Quote from: shaker on February 18, 2021, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: Sabretooth Tigers on February 18, 2021, 04:14:13 AM
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Have been Gawn, Grundy, Treacy with Marshall forward in all my teams. Still the same, with final decision depending on when Marshall will play. If I'm only going to miss one game with him, why not save a trade ?
:o
Reading the article it says he will be sidelined for at least 4 weeks with hope he can ramp up his recovery after that so that sounds like he is going to be out for more than R1 , looking at that I will not start him unless there is any good news before R1.
Thanks mate. Guess I'm back to plan z
Quote from: Zabs on January 28, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
Is anyone keen on Stef Martin instead of Preuss?? At $276k, and a dominant midfield supporting him surely if fit he can make decent cash and be another decent stepping stone to Grundy.....
The difference is Preuss was #1 ruck with a fair sample of games behind him as #1 to say he was good value.
Stef will be providing cover to English. His role, game time and security is unknown and may vary week to week for all we know. He is well past 30 and recent years don’t instill much confidence. A no for mine.
Looks like forking out the extra 20k for Flynn at R3 is the way to go for the time being
Surely he gets his chance now - been there long enough and Mummy can't play every week
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2021, 01:11:41 PM
Looks like forking out the extra 20k for Flynn at R3 is the way to go for the time being
Surely he gets his chance now - been there long enough and Mummy can't play every week
Yep was looking at their other rucks as well Mummy is old and any injury to him and Flynn will be in like Flynn.
Quote from: shaker on February 18, 2021, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2021, 01:11:41 PM
Looks like forking out the extra 20k for Flynn at R3 is the way to go for the time being
Surely he gets his chance now - been there long enough and Mummy can't play every week
Yep was looking at their other rucks as well Mummy is old and any injury to him and Flynn will be in like Flynn.
Not alone there with that thought as he more tan likely will play and make cash. Easy downgrade to treacey when Preuss returns.
Can't believe I'm thinking this but is Tom Campbell an option at all at $154,700? Apparently he did alot of the grunt work at intraclub match and he may give us some flexibility with Treacy as a Ruck/Fwd. Both are outside chances of game time but might also get us out of a pickle...
Quote from: Bluesman on February 20, 2021, 02:51:48 AM
Can't believe I'm thinking this but is Tom Campbell an option at all at $154,700? Apparently he did alot of the grunt work at intraclub match and he may give us some flexibility with Treacy as a Ruck/Fwd. Both are outside chances of game time but might also get us out of a pickle...
Even with Goldy copping a whack in the ribs he has been ultra durable through his career Campbell might get games but so might Fullarton who is a bit cheaper ? Marshall going down has taken the best ruck cover.
Oscar McInerney anyone? With Daniher in the forward line and Stef Martin gone, along with Archie Smith being amongst the worst players on an AFL list, he should assume the full time ruck duties for Brissy.
Quote from: IntegralX on February 20, 2021, 04:50:24 PM
Oscar McInerney anyone? With Daniher in the forward line and Stef Martin gone, along with Archie Smith being amongst the worst players on an AFL list, he should assume the full time ruck duties for Brissy.
He did a fair bit of solo rucking last year - is good for 90+ and would be attractive if he had F, but not as R only
Daniher is pinch hitting ruck
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 20, 2021, 05:11:45 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on February 20, 2021, 04:50:24 PM
Oscar McInerney anyone? With Daniher in the forward line and Stef Martin gone, along with Archie Smith being amongst the worst players on an AFL list, he should assume the full time ruck duties for Brissy.
He did a fair bit of solo rucking last year - is good for 90+ and would be attractive if he had F, but not as R only
Daniher is pinch hitting ruck
Agree with RD here and based on the intraclub Fullarton will get a crack before Archie. If Big O had F status as well a no brainer. Although his scores will increase can not see him competing with the 3 Gs Gawn, Grundy and Goldstein.
Surely all ruck conversations should be about who to R3?
And a set is cheeky Treacy
102k, DPP, and bagged 6 at intraclub
Quote from: timtim on February 20, 2021, 06:14:41 PM
Surely all ruck conversations should be about who to R3?
And a set is cheeky Treacy
102k, DPP, and bagged 6 at intraclub
Flynn looks good for R3 and Tracey F8
:)
If Treacy and Fullarton had any likelihood of getting games would it be worth plating one at R.3 and the other at F.8 ?
;)
I'm currently nuts with one of Gawn/Grundy R1 and Flynn Treacy R2 R3. Maybe this is the year of the ruck rookie? It has allowed me to squeeze Danger in at F1 and Hately M7.
Anyone considered Nankervis?
I know we're all over Gawn/Grundy, but last year I was set with Grundy and Goldstein all season and it worked out fine for me, and with Soldo out for the year and Coleman-Jones currently out, surely Nank can outperform his current price tag?
Quote from: TexR74 on February 22, 2021, 06:49:46 PM
Anyone considered Nankervis?
I know we're all over Gawn/Grundy, but last year I was set with Grundy and Goldstein all season and it worked out fine for me, and with Soldo out for the year and Coleman-Jones currently out, surely Nank can outperform his current price tag?
Just don't see the point, unless you think he is capable of going close to matching GGG, otherwise why bother?
Gawn/Grundy is still the clear choice imo, however Hickey is someone to consider now as that really cheap option should you not go with GG
If you do start Hickey you need to be willing to cull a prem on another line if it goes pearshaped with Marshall injured.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2021, 02:40:42 AM
If you do start Hickey you need to be willing to cull a prem on another line if it goes pearshaped with Marshall injured.
Certainly something to consider and plan for, but if Flynn/Treacy can debut and play it makes it much easier
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2021, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2021, 02:40:42 AM
If you do start Hickey you need to be willing to cull a prem on another line if it goes pearshaped with Marshall injured.
Certainly something to consider and plan for, but if Flynn/Treacy can debut and play it makes it much easier
Mummy said on the AFL site it's time to hand the number 1 ruck duties to the young guys not him and Flynn looks to have it over Briggs.
Saw that. I'm thinking Gawn/Grundy with Briggs at D8, Flynn at R3 and Treacy at F8.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 23, 2021, 08:38:49 PM
Saw that. I'm thinking Gawn/Grundy with Briggs at D8, Flynn at R3 and Treacy at F8.
Good options Mat. GG F looks the prime ruck starting combo.
Reading Hickey played well at $260k means you can upgrade to another prem fwd or defender thoughts
Quote from: whynot102 on February 27, 2021, 08:22:24 PM
Reading Hickey played well at $260k means you can upgrade to another prem fwd or defender thoughts
Would much rather start Grundy/Gawn and Rookie than Sidebottom and Hickey
Quote from: whynot102 on February 27, 2021, 08:22:24 PM
Reading Hickey played well at $260k means you can upgrade to another prem fwd or defender thoughts
Hickey is freaking awful. One of the worst players on an AFL list out there. I think this game can put an end to the Hickey experiment...looking like Gawndy and no one else. McInerney is the only one left that I’m willing to consider.
Meek looking okay for R3
Meek Flynn Hunter Briggs Treacy think I'll take 2 at most. Treacy and Briggs > Hunter > Flynn > Meek.
Need to see who's playing and work out positioning.
Quote from: Ingram on February 21, 2021, 01:00:33 AM
I'm currently nuts with one of Gawn/Grundy R1 and Flynn Treacy R2 R3. Maybe this is the year of the ruck rookie? It has allowed me to squeeze Danger in at F1 and Hately M7.
+1
Although it is way safer going Grundy/Gawn, i do feel like there is an opportunity to go with two ruck rookies. Meek almost certain to play round one now with Lobb injuring himself today and Darcy not expected to be back for rd 1. Surely Flynn will be picked ahead of Briggs rd 1. Then theres Paul Hunter. Dont know much about him apart from him only just being picked up from saints and is 28. But if they were to pick him as a second ruck with Ryder (ahead of Mckernan) he'd be another option. Then there is Fullarton and Treacy who are ruc/fwds, who also are a possibility to play rd 1.
However, when looking at Gawndy i still struggle to find a reason not to pick them both.
I’m looking at Draper. 78 with 58 percent game time. Looked at Essendon’s fixture and Draper only has 2 hard games against Goldy and Grundy in first 14 games. The extra cash makes the rest of my team look significantly stronger.
I would suggest that Briggs showed enough today to be given first crack at the top job at GWS. He looked solid against an (albeit mediocre) AFL quality ruck.
Quote from: IntegralX on March 08, 2021, 12:00:23 AM
I would suggest that Briggs showed enough today to be given first crack at the top job at GWS. He looked solid against an (albeit mediocre) AFL quality ruck.
I didnt watch the game but 5 disposals is pretty shower. Not sure how he'd get a game before flynn
Quote from: Samsturmfels on March 08, 2021, 12:23:07 AM
I didnt watch the game but 5 disposals is pretty shower. Not sure how he'd get a game before flynn
This is why
He absolutely took Hickey to the cleaners, particularly in the first quarter.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 08, 2021, 12:47:22 AM
Quote from: Samsturmfels
b]I didnt watch the game[/b] but 5 disposals is pretty shower. Not sure how he'd get a game before flynn
This is why
He absolutely took Hickey to the cleaners, particularly in the first quarter.
Will not always get 5 frees in a half though. Hickey was shower.
Quote from: Ringo on March 08, 2021, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 08, 2021, 12:47:22 AM
Quote from: Samsturmfels
b]I didnt watch the game[/b] but 5 disposals is pretty shower. Not sure how he'd get a game before flynn
This is why
He absolutely took Hickey to the cleaners, particularly in the first quarter.
Will not always get 5 frees in a half though. Hickey was shower.
yeah isnt exactly a dominant ruckman, even the commentators were questioning why he was playing ahead of sinclair. Flynn was also really good the week before.
Is anyone concerned about the rucks scoring a little bit lower than previous years?
Really making me consider going light in the rucks Draper/Martin etc
I guess the reasoning behind it is that there could potentially be less ball ups and more free flowing play etc because of the new rules!
I think I’ve finally started going crazy cos of preseason and need you guys to talk some sense into me!
Quote from: Money Shot on March 08, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Is anyone concerned about the rucks scoring a little bit lower than previous years?
Really making me consider going light in the rucks Draper/Martin etc
I guess the reasoning behind it is that there could potentially be less ball ups and more free flowing play etc because of the new rules!
I think I’ve finally started going crazy cos of preseason and need you guys to talk some sense into me!
Just need to get the 2 best rucks from the get go.
Quote from: Bully on March 08, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 08, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Is anyone concerned about the rucks scoring a little bit lower than previous years?
Really making me consider going light in the rucks Draper/Martin etc
I guess the reasoning behind it is that there could potentially be less ball ups and more free flowing play etc because of the new rules!
I think I’ve finally started going crazy cos of preseason and need you guys to talk some sense into me!
Just need to get the 2 best rucks from the get go.
He makes a good point though. While Grundy and Gawn might be the clear cut 2 best rucks, if ruck scoring is down due to less stoppages, then they will fall in price. It may be a good season to start cheaper rucks and get Grundy and Gawn in when they bottom out.
I’m personally starting them both at this stage, but it is something to think about for sure.
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Quote from: Bully on March 08, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 08, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Is anyone concerned about the rucks scoring a little bit lower than previous years?
Really making me consider going light in the rucks Draper/Martin etc
I guess the reasoning behind it is that there could potentially be less ball ups and more free flowing play etc because of the new rules!
I think I’ve finally started going crazy cos of preseason and need you guys to talk some sense into me!
Just need to get the 2 best rucks from the get go.
He makes a good point though. While Grundy and Gawn might be the clear cut 2 best rucks, if ruck scoring is down due to less stoppages, then they will fall in price. It may be a good season to start cheaper rucks and get Grundy and Gawn in when they bottom out.
I’m personally starting them both at this stage, but it is something to think about for sure.
I played around with going cheaper in the rucks and although it does make the rest of my team so much stronger it’s such a risk to take!
Don’t think I have the balls to do it personally.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 09, 2021, 02:35:52 PM
Quote from: bkimm32 on March 09, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: Bully on March 08, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 08, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Is anyone concerned about the rucks scoring a little bit lower than previous years?
Really making me consider going light in the rucks Draper/Martin etc
I guess the reasoning behind it is that there could potentially be less ball ups and more free flowing play etc because of the new rules!
I think I’ve finally started going crazy cos of preseason and need you guys to talk some sense into me!
Just need to get the 2 best rucks from the get go.
He makes a good point though. While Grundy and Gawn might be the clear cut 2 best rucks, if ruck scoring is down due to less stoppages, then they will fall in price. It may be a good season to start cheaper rucks and get Grundy and Gawn in when they bottom out.
I’m personally starting them both at this stage, but it is something to think about for sure.
I played around with going cheaper in the rucks and although it does make the rest of my team so much stronger it’s such a risk to take!
Don’t think I have the balls to do it personally.
The aim is to get the two best rucks, I think there's little chance it won't be Gawn & Grundy. If you are keen to free cash up I would trade Neale to Bont/Macrae/Oliver/Fyfe/Kelly. Neale will almost certainly come down in price, I'm tipping a 120 season & will be planning to get him as my first upgrade. Slightly risky but something has to give.
Quote from: Bully on March 09, 2021, 02:43:16 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 09, 2021, 02:35:52 PM
Quote from: bkimm32 on March 09, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: Bully on March 08, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 08, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Is anyone concerned about the rucks scoring a little bit lower than previous years?
Really making me consider going light in the rucks Draper/Martin etc
I guess the reasoning behind it is that there could potentially be less ball ups and more free flowing play etc because of the new rules!
I think I’ve finally started going crazy cos of preseason and need you guys to talk some sense into me!
Just need to get the 2 best rucks from the get go.
He makes a good point though. While Grundy and Gawn might be the clear cut 2 best rucks, if ruck scoring is down due to less stoppages, then they will fall in price. It may be a good season to start cheaper rucks and get Grundy and Gawn in when they bottom out.
I’m personally starting them both at this stage, but it is something to think about for sure.
I played around with going cheaper in the rucks and although it does make the rest of my team so much stronger it’s such a risk to take!
Don’t think I have the balls to do it personally.
The aim is to get the two best rucks, I think there's little chance it won't be Gawn & Grundy. If you are keen to free cash up I would trade Neale to Bont/Macrae/Oliver/Fyfe/Kelly. Neale will almost certainly come down in price, I'm tipping a 120 season & will be planning to get him as my first upgrade. Slightly risky but something has to give.
I’m thinking of doing similar with Neale, although he’s in my team right now and I’m fairly happy with it, so he might stay. It would be good to get him a bit cheaper later on but who knows if that will even happen. Could come out of the blocks with a few 140s, which is just as likely than him scoring less than 120s.
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Quote from: Bully on March 08, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 08, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Is anyone concerned about the rucks scoring a little bit lower than previous years?
Really making me consider going light in the rucks Draper/Martin etc
I guess the reasoning behind it is that there could potentially be less ball ups and more free flowing play etc because of the new rules!
I think I’ve finally started going crazy cos of preseason and need you guys to talk some sense into me!
Just need to get the 2 best rucks from the get go.
He makes a good point though. While Grundy and Gawn might be the clear cut 2 best rucks, if ruck scoring is down due to less stoppages, then they will fall in price. It may be a good season to start cheaper rucks and get Grundy and Gawn in when they bottom out.
I’m personally starting them both at this stage, but it is something to think about for sure.
I played around with going cheaper in the rucks and although it does make the rest of my team so much stronger it’s such a risk to take!
Don’t think I have the balls to do it personally.
The aim is to get the two best rucks, I think there's little chance it won't be Gawn & Grundy. If you are keen to free cash up I would trade Neale to Bont/Macrae/Oliver/Fyfe/Kelly. Neale will almost certainly come down in price, I'm tipping a 120 season & will be planning to get him as my first upgrade. Slightly risky but something has to give.
I’m thinking of doing similar with Neale, although he’s in my team right now and I’m fairly happy with it, so he might stay. It would be good to get him a bit cheaper later on but who knows if that will even happen. Could come out of the blocks with a few 140s, which is just as likely than him scoring less than 120s.
Neale to Bont allows me to go Heeney to Dunkley, that is a positive move IMO. Even if Neale does go 140 he won't go up in price. On the other hand, a slowish start could see him drop 70-80k in quick time. This is a calculated move, the risk is the captain scores but I'm happy enough to leave that to Gawn & Macrae.
Been thinking on the ruck situation for a while now.
There are really only two premo options:
- Gawn - $751,400
- Grundy - $648,200
There are however, 5 rookie options:
- Fullartion (R/F) - $128,900
- Flynn - $123,900
- Meek - $123,900
- Hunter - $102,400
- Treacy (R/F) - $102,400
My thinking, is that one of Gawn/Grundy is required, and Treacy (even though he is suspended) is a logical choice either at R3 or F8 for a loophole option.
I've opted for Gawn over Grundy, but that's personal preference.
The tough decision is what to do with R2/3.
Fullarton - Seems the most secure of the rookies, but perhaps the lowest ceiling.
Flynn - The most secure of the rookies that will play as the first choice ruck.
Meek/Hunter - Likely both temporary options until Darcy/Ryder come back. But hard to say for sure. Meek in particular looked good in the AAMI game.
With all that considered, I've gone with Gawn, Flynn, Fullarton, with Treacy at F8. Though I'm tempted to bring in Meek at R3, and put Fullarton at F7, but I thinking having that R/F coverage makes sense.
With Treacy out for two I'm considering a restructure, thinking of trading Short to Docherty & moving Fullarton to F8. Think he makes enough while McStay is out.
R3 Flynn, Briggs at D8 just in case.
Meek looks good but Darcy has always been the number 1 guy. That may change of course but I'd rather do a correction trade if need be.
Could potentially look at Fullarton to Treacy round 5, just have to wait and see.
Just need to hope that McStays return is closer to the 6 weeks mentioned in the injury listings and not 3 weeks to get maximum gain from Fullarton. In saying that I am playing Fullarton on field.
Quote from: Ringo on March 16, 2021, 04:34:00 PM
Just need to hope that McStays return is closer to the 6 weeks mentioned in the injury listings and not 3 weeks to get maximum gain from Fullarton. In saying that I am playing Fullarton on field.
Medial strains aren't a walk in the park, gut says it will be closer to 6 weeks.
Could also pick Treacy and use as a forward loop for a couple of weeks, points vs $$, this is where it gets tricky.
I so want to go all rookie ruck. ...Must not give in to temptation :-\
Gawn, Flynn, Hunter is tempting with Flynn and Hunter already being confirmed
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 16, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
Gawn, Flynn, Hunter is tempting with Flynn and Hunter already being confirmed
thinking along these lines except grundy.
expect all rucks to score lower this year. grundy most likely to maintain score as he underperformed last year. gawn is like neale and lloyd priced at absolute max and we are paying premiums for them. also tossing up whether to have treacy as f8 for loophole until he starts playing and eventual cover when hunter is traded.
flynn will make 300+ and needs to be onfield rookie. so porbably add walsh or stewart as additional premium with cash.
Anyone going the all rookie ruck combo?
I’d honestly contemplate it if we had more time to see the rookie rucks in pre-season as well as more time to adjust the rest of my positions with the extra cash in hand. I think it’s definitely a feasible strategy this season but being this close to round 1, I just can’t see myself pulling the trigger personally. Toot enough cojones.
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Gawn, Flynn, Hunter is tempting with Flynn and Hunter already being confirmed
thinking along these lines except grundy.
expect all rucks to score lower this year. grundy most likely to maintain score as he underperformed last year. gawn is like neale and lloyd priced at absolute max and we are paying premiums for them. also tossing up whether to have treacy as f8 for loophole until he starts playing and eventual cover when hunter is traded.
flynn will make 300+ and needs to be onfield rookie. so porbably add walsh or stewart as additional premium with cash.
Solid chance Hunter gets dropped at Rnd 2-3 and doesn't play again, having made no cash. Treacy may not get picked at all after his suspension with Darcy ready to play rnd 1-2. Flynn does seem a good pick but to rely on him to play every week but still hasn't played a game, and his replacement doesn't have ruck status. It could work but if it doesn't you have no correction options.
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Quote from: Mat0369 on March 16, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
Gawn, Flynn, Hunter is tempting with Flynn and Hunter already being confirmed
thinking along these lines except grundy.
expect all rucks to score lower this year. grundy most likely to maintain score as he underperformed last year. gawn is like neale and lloyd priced at absolute max and we are paying premiums for them. also tossing up whether to have treacy as f8 for loophole until he starts playing and eventual cover when hunter is traded.
flynn will make 300+ and needs to be onfield rookie. so porbably add walsh or stewart as additional premium with cash.
Solid chance Hunter gets dropped at Rnd 2-3 and doesn't play again, having made no cash. Treacy may not get picked at all after his suspension with Darcy ready to play rnd 1-2. Flynn does seem a good pick but to rely on him to play every week but still hasn't played a game, and his replacement doesn't have ruck status. It could work but if it doesn't you have no correction options.
surely Briggs ruck status should be added on SC as its pretty obvious its his main position.
Have dropped Daniher to Dow in order to have Meek over Hunter. Also have Fullerton at F6 so he can maybe help me if I have to trade my way out of a failed 2 ruck rookie run.
Treacy is out for 4 weeks (2 weeks but WAFL season doesn’t align with AFL season so 4)
Unavailable till R5.
Quote from: enzedder on March 18, 2021, 05:44:51 AM
Treacy is out for 4 weeks (2 weeks but WAFL season doesn’t align with AFL season so 4)
Unavailable till R5.
Surely it’s just 2 AFL games he’s suspended for? What does the WAFL season have to do with anything?
If that’s the case then would think that’s just about him down as a playable option then, with Darcy to be back before then and then Lobb to return as well.
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Quote from: enzedder on March 18, 2021, 05:44:51 AM
Treacy is out for 4 weeks (2 weeks but WAFL season doesn’t align with AFL season so 4)
Unavailable till R5.
Surely it’s just 2 AFL games he’s suspended for? What does the WAFL season have to do with anything?
If that’s the case then would think that’s just about him down as a playable option then, with Darcy to be back before then and then Lobb to return as well.
Fremantle rookie Josh Treacy’s WAFL tribunal challenge has failed, consequently delaying his chance to make his AFL debut after surging into Round 1 contention.
Treacy on Wednesday night was banned for two weeks after being found guilty of striking Perth’s Brady Grey during a WAFL scratch match, meaning he won’t be available for the Dockers’ Round 1 clash against Melbourne.
As the WAFL and AFL seasons aren’t aligned â€" Peel Thunder’s first match isn’t until Good Friday (April 2) â€" Treacy won’t be available to play in the AFL until at least Round 5.
^fox sports but seen on Twitter/Freo’s app feed as well
May end up being someone we can trade a cashed up cow to.
Quote from: enzedder on March 18, 2021, 05:44:51 AM
Treacy is out for 4 weeks (2 weeks but WAFL season doesn’t align with AFL season so 4)
Unavailable till R5.
even better, Fullarton to Treacy just in time for culling season
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Draper?
Quote from: smashbox on March 18, 2021, 12:44:08 PM
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Draper?
Next year and beyond
Sean Darcy named as an emergency for Freo - feel it could be Meek's job to lose?
I'm pretty sure they said touch and go and have 0 other fit talls that can play forward/ruck which is why he may have been named emergency in case of an emergency.
Avoided Grundy. To go three rookie rucks or two, that is the question?
Yikes Grundy was absolutely woeful tonight. If he can’t rack up points next week against the blues I may cut bait...
Well I suppose we can all sit back and watch the rookie rucks for a couple of weeks. If Grundy is set to lose a truckload & either Meek or Hunter kill it then this is the perfect correction trade.
To be honest I didn't think Grundy was terrible, zero HOTA which means the mids were fumbly. Hopefully Sidebottom is back next week so we can get a more realistic view of the situation.
Is Stef at $260k coming in for some consideration.
Quote from: Ringo on March 19, 2021, 11:49:47 PM
Is Stef at $260k coming in for some consideration.
Stef seems to be spending more time in the middle so absolutely, although it really comes down to $$ as the cheapies will likely make more.
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Is Stef at $260k coming in for some consideration.
Stef seems to be spending more time in the middle so absolutely, although it really comes down to $$ as the cheapies will likely make more.
Thinking of Stef at R2 for JS with Flynn at R3 to continue cash making. 85/90 for Stef will also be a nice cash gen.
Quote from: Ringo on March 19, 2021, 11:56:10 PM
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Quote from: Ringo on March 19, 2021, 11:49:47 PM
Is Stef at $260k coming in for some consideration.
Stef seems to be spending more time in the middle so absolutely, although it really comes down to $$ as the cheapies will likely make more.
Thinking of Stef at R2 for JS with Flynn at R3 to continue cash making. 85/90 for Stef will also be a nice cash gen.
Makes sense, another 90 & he comes under consideration
started grundy flynn hunter. think gawn will drop to 110+ maybe 120. rucks scores looking very average so far. stef might be an option, game style changes look to be impacting ruck scores. let us see by end rd 1.
I went Gawn, Flynn, Hunter. I also have Max captain so if he can smash out a huge score that would be amazing
Grundy scores lower against Stef Martin than any other ruck in the last 8 years.
I read/heard that somewhere and I'm clinging to it :)
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 20, 2021, 01:36:12 AM
I went Gawn, Flynn, Hunter. I also have Max captain so if he can smash out a huge score that would be amazing
Ballsy ... i hope that you spent the extra $ wisely :)
If Gawn scores similarly to Grundy today, SC forums are going to be lit.
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
If Gawn scores similarly to Grundy today, SC forums are going to be lit.
I'm having a sense of deja vu, pretty sure this happened a few seasons back when they changed the scoring to HOTA. By round two it was business as usual.
Quote from: Bully on March 20, 2021, 01:46:12 PM
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If Gawn scores similarly to Grundy today, SC forums are going to be lit.
I'm having a sense of deja vu, pretty sure this happened a few seasons back when they changed the scoring to HOTA. By round two it was business as usual.
I just can't see any ruck being better than Gawn and not many better than Grundy, even if their averages do drop considerably.
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Quote from: Bully on March 20, 2021, 01:46:12 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
If Gawn scores similarly to Grundy today, SC forums are going to be lit.
I'm having a sense of deja vu, pretty sure this happened a few seasons back when they changed the scoring to HOTA. By round two it was business as usual.
I just can't see any ruck being better than Gawn and not many better than Grundy, even if their averages do drop considerably.
Suppose it all depends on next week for Grundy pants, a first week stinker not the end of the world but if he looks like shedding 150k then a correction trade might be the order of the day.
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
If Gawn scores similarly to Grundy today, SC forums are going to be lit.
I bloody hope so for several reasons;
- I ended up starting Flynn, Hunter & Meek on the bench (No premo rucks)
- Grundy stunk it up, hopefully Gawn does
- Heaps of people would've set Gawn as Captain
Flynn Hunter and Meek (E) too.
May just pay off.
As long as it doesn’t totally backfire then it will have been fun anyway.
Gawn 93 vs 1st gamer Meek is not a great sign
Is it the new rules?
Meek scored about 15 points in 3.5 quarters. The score from Gawn isn't ideal but he ended up scoring about 97 points in three quarters essentially after being at -4 for the majority of the first
Luke Jackson and the Dees set up may be a killer. He did barely any ruck work in the offensive forward 50
Quote from: tor01doc on March 20, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Is it the new rules?
No. His hitouts weren't clean (Dees midfield was getting smashed in the CC's), he was barely venturing into the forward 50 to set up a kick behind the play and some of his hitouts he just smashed the ball to try and clear space and it was ending up with the Freo players.
Not rucking in the forward 50 may hurt his scoring quite a bit because those are potential hits directly to goals.
Not worried at all
Gawn was 20 odd at 1/2 time, so finishing on 93 was great
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Quote from: tor01doc on March 20, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Is it the new rules?
No. His hitouts weren't clean (Dees midfield was getting smashed in the CC's), he was barely venturing into the forward 50 to set up a kick behind the play and some of his hitouts he just smashed the ball to try and clear space and it was ending up with the Freo players.
Not rucking in the forward 50 may hurt his scoring quite a bit because those are potential hits directly to goals.
Gawn was actually really nice with his hit outs. I lost count of how many times he put it down Oliver’s throat. He wasn’t his usual self around the ground imo. Him being forward means he couldn’t take defensive marks down the line off the opposition like we are so use to seeing him doing.
I feel he only took one intercept mark, I’m not sure what his average was last season but it’d have to be 3 or 4 for sure?
Finally we have 2 rucks breaking the ton to show it is still possible. Only issue very few would have had Hickey or Big O
Quote from: Ringo on March 21, 2021, 09:30:06 AM
Finally we have 2 rucks breaking the ton to show it is still possible. Only issue very few would have had Hickey or Big O
I had Big O in my very early drafts so that stung a little bit if I’m being honest. Grundy definitely on notice.
Flynn ankle, hopefully not serious he was killing it
He is my R2 so I may go cry now
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 21, 2021, 06:22:41 PM
He is my R2 so I may go cry now
Mine too
He's back on!......maybe?
Early days but 3 rookie ruck strategy could be huge
I made a team for my wife and used this strategy (was too person to do it myself) and her teams looks tenfold the team mine does.
Quote from: bkimm32 on March 22, 2021, 09:47:10 AM
Early days but 3 rookie ruck strategy could be huge
I made a team for my wife and used this strategy (was too person to do it myself) and her teams looks tenfold the team mine does.
3 rookie ruck looks like a bust
Hunter and Meek were poor, and are every chance to get dropped soon
https://twitter.com/FantasyFreako/status/1373751470168834048
The Melbourne vs Fremantle match had the 2nd fewest stoppages of any match for the round. The GWS vs St Kilda game had the most. Gawn vs Flynn.
Translation: Gawn's 93 was his floor and don't expect Flynn to go 140 most weeks hehe
For those who started Gawn Flynn as R1 R2, well done :)
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Quote from: bkimm32 on March 22, 2021, 09:47:10 AM
Early days but 3 rookie ruck strategy could be huge
I made a team for my wife and used this strategy (was too person to do it myself) and her teams looks tenfold the team mine does.
3 rookie ruck looks like a bust
Hunter and Meek were poor, and are every chance to get dropped soon
Meek has no chance of being dropped anytime soon
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Quote from: bkimm32 on March 22, 2021, 09:47:10 AM
Early days but 3 rookie ruck strategy could be huge
I made a team for my wife and used this strategy (was too person to do it myself) and her teams looks tenfold the team mine does.
3 rookie ruck looks like a bust
Hunter and Meek were poor, and are every chance to get dropped soon
Meek has no chance of being dropped anytime soon
Can they afford to play Darcy & Meek?
With Pearce getting injured they may have to
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 22, 2021, 02:35:36 PM
With Pearce getting injured they may have to
Either way Meek will struggle to make the cash people were expecting, some even benched Flynn this round or didn't pick him altogether.
Freo have zero talls available and they flirted with the idea of running both Meek and Darcy before the injuries. Meek also solo rucked in his first game against the best ruckmen in the comp + Jackson so he got run into the ground. I have no worries with Meek being a better than average rookie scorer. That first game will be the toughest he gets.
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Quote from: bkimm32 on March 22, 2021, 09:47:10 AM
Early days but 3 rookie ruck strategy could be huge
I made a team for my wife and used this strategy (was too person to do it myself) and her teams looks tenfold the team mine does.
3 rookie ruck looks like a bust
Hunter and Meek were poor, and are every chance to get dropped soon
I had Fullaton, and Hunter. And I like more of what I seen from the rookies than Gawn and Grundy
Gawn won’t score anywhere near as well having to rest forward and not being able to play a kick behind the play
I'm not concerned about Gawn at all
It was his first game of the year, and wasn't he 29 or something at 1/2 time? 60+ second half, he'll be fine
As for Grundy, I just read this:
"We want Brodie to be supported by a second ruckman, whether it's Mason or Darcy Cameron or another option and we'd like that to be legitimate tandem ruck role," he said.
"We believe that Brodie can do some damage for us in front of the ball and we will be looking to explore that."
:-\
Hickey Stef Flyn combo is the place to be
Gawn got off the leash a bit when Jackson copped a knock.
It looks like a second ruck may hurt both these guys. It's only round 1, we need to let it play out and then assess. They could both come out and smash 150's going up against Pitto and Hunter.
Gawndy are going to most likely leak some cash, but I can't see them not in top 3 rucks this season. Who is going to displace them from top 2-3?
Quote from: Holz on March 22, 2021, 04:08:52 PM
Hickey Stef Flyn combo is the place to be
I'm wondering how many went that route. I can't help but feel Hickey will score 30 against ROB and English goes back into the ruck now they got past the Grundy matchup and against Nic Nat
Quote from: Wanderer on March 22, 2021, 04:11:28 PM
Gawndy are going to most likely leak some cash, but I can't see them not in top 3 rucks this season. Who is going to displace them from top 2-3?
I don’t think anyone is arguing about them being top 2 rucks. (Or close to it)
I look at it that from the perspective that they will lose so much cash from their starting price that they would be very good upgrade targets later on. And that’s why rookie ruck / mid price strategy seems like it would have been a logical play.
A healthy % of teams would have started them both, and they likely will be the top 2 rucks at seasons end, so it’s not like it’s a huge set back, but could have been a good opportunity to make some money by starting some cheaper rucks.
Think it's way too early to drop Grundy, there's every chance he smashes it next week.
Quote from: Bully on March 22, 2021, 04:39:01 PM
Think it's way too early to drop Grundy, there's every chance he smashes it next week.
Agreed, I certainly wouldn’t be doing it... however I do wish I took a different path
2019 Round 1
Gawn 87
Grundy 81
2019 average
Gawn 128.4
Grundy 130
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 22, 2021, 05:03:12 PM
2019 Round 1
Gawn 87
Grundy 81
2019 average
Gawn 128.4
Grundy 130
Feel like we have the GG R1 panic every year now lol
Grundy has 1 ton from 7 R1 matches, yet people still panic?
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 22, 2021, 05:03:12 PM
2019 Round 1
Gawn 87
Grundy 81
2019 average
Gawn 128.4
Grundy 130
Feel ok keeping them both ATM.
Quote from: Thewizz71 on March 22, 2021, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 22, 2021, 05:03:12 PM
2019 Round 1
Gawn 87
Grundy 81
2019 average
Gawn 128.4
Grundy 130
Feel ok keeping them both ATM.
There are other correctional trades I would prefer to do than take a punt on dropping Gawn or Grundy.
2,369 Grundy trades already, surely people can wait another week?
People are way too reactive. Yes you need to trade hard, but you also need to be smart. If you lose another 50 points this week is it really going to matter? Probably not. You're not losing cash until Round 3 so I don't see the point in trading unless people still think it's like last year and prices will change after 2 rounds?
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 22, 2021, 08:35:19 PM
People are way too reactive. Yes you need to trade hard, but you also need to be smart. If you lose another 50 points this week is it really going to matter? Probably not. You're not losing cash until Round 3 so I don't see the point in trading unless people still think it's like last year and prices will change after 2 rounds?
And the other thing to consider is picking the right rookie, jury out on both Meek/Hunter.
Quote from: Bully on March 22, 2021, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 22, 2021, 08:35:19 PM
People are way too reactive. Yes you need to trade hard, but you also need to be smart. If you lose another 50 points this week is it really going to matter? Probably not. You're not losing cash until Round 3 so I don't see the point in trading unless people still think it's like last year and prices will change after 2 rounds?
And the other thing to consider is picking the right rookie, jury out on both Meek/Hunter.
Getting the rookie pick right seems to be more of a trap than holding onto Gawndy.
I am not moving on the GG combo at this stage.
If looking to go cheap though Stef Martin at 272k well worth the look given they way boith he and English worked together.
Yeah I’ll be holding GG for now especially given I probably have to deal with danger but if Grundy can’t rack points up against the blues surely that’s alarm bells ringing?
Quote from: IntegralX on March 23, 2021, 12:48:07 PM
Yeah I’ll be holding GG for now especially given I probably have to deal with danger but if Grundy can’t rack points up against the blues surely that’s alarm bells ringing?
If Cox spends more time in the middle then I will consider a swap with Oliver, also need to ensure Flynn backs it up & either Meek or Flynn survive another week.
I've been looking at the Saints ins this week and I'm thinking Hunter could be dropped. King may come in for one of him or McKernan and they preferred McKernan down the stretch of the Giants game
I've been against Hunter and Meek as picks, but only time will tell
Hunter got thumped by Flynn on the weekend - how will he go vs Max this week?
Hitout win percentages in Round 1:
Max Gawn 63.8% (ranked 1st)
Paul Hunter 33.3% (ranked 19th)
via Freako
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 23, 2021, 02:56:14 PM
I've been looking at the Saints ins this week and I'm thinking Hunter could be dropped. King may come in for one of him or McKernan and they preferred McKernan down the stretch of the Giants game
On the bright side, you get a loophole player who may earn some dough throughout the season. The danger of course is being subbed on for 5 minutes. There will be some season destroying decisions where this is concerned, could be a 300 point penalty if this does occur.
i thought i heard that the saints favoured Mckernan in the ruck contests after half time which is when flynn started to dominate. didnt watch the game so could be wrong. hope they drop Mckernan and not hunter
Quote from: ants on March 23, 2021, 04:03:38 PM
i thought i heard that the saints favoured Mckernan in the ruck contests after half time which is when flynn started to dominate. didnt watch the game so could be wrong. hope they drop Mckernan and not hunter
Watched the replay and McKernan rucked virtually the whole second half. Flynn was impressive throughout though. Won heaps of ball at ground level, took a couple of impressive contested marks and second efforts in ruck contests were also very good.
Hunter played deep forward in the second half and except for about 2 centre bounces and a brief chop out on the ball didn’t feature after half time.
I'm going to stay aboard the Gawndy ship hoping it doesn't turn into the Titanic.
Quote from: enzedder on March 23, 2021, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: ants on March 23, 2021, 04:03:38 PM
i thought i heard that the saints favoured Mckernan in the ruck contests after half time which is when flynn started to dominate. didnt watch the game so could be wrong. hope they drop Mckernan and not hunter
Watched the replay and McKernan rucked virtually the whole second half. Flynn was impressive throughout though. Won heaps of ball at ground level, took a couple of impressive contested marks and second efforts in ruck contests were also very good.
Hunter played deep forward in the second half and except for about 2 centre bounces and a brief chop out on the ball didn’t feature after half time.
I'm thinking it may have been weather based with the torrential rain and wanting the guy that was better at ground level
All the fear about Grundy proven wrong yet again.
Quote from: Wanderer on March 26, 2021, 12:56:34 PM
All the fear about Grundy proven wrong yet again.
As the nearly 3000 people that traded him out found out ;D
Draper out for 8.
Trade to Hickey, Darcy or go with a rookie?
Already have Flynn
Quote from: smashbox on March 31, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
Draper out for 8.
Trade to Hickey, Darcy or go with a rookie?
Already have Flynn
Meek
Quote from: RoughRed on March 31, 2021, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: smashbox on March 31, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
Draper out for 8.
Trade to Hickey, Darcy or go with a rookie?
Already have Flynn
Meek
Meek $123,900 B/E -52 Projected $ change $51k - playing Carlton
Hunter $102,400 B/E -19 Projected $ change $25.1k - playing Essendon
hickeys going up 50k also but meek cheaper. Then hickeys closer and maybe easier to upgrade to premo sooner?
either one is a stepping stone so you don't want to have to trade again until you go up to the end result G or G maybe go on job security.
Probably not ideal to use so many trades on rucks
Just turn Draper into G or G somehow
Treacy is not playing yet.
Josh Treacy (AF $170k SC $102k RUCK/FWD)
@freodockers coach Justin Longmuir: "No, not at this stage. He'll travel with us. If something happens away, he might come in. We had a good win last week... so Sonny will come in for Fyfey... We want to settle our team down
Blessed are the Meek who will be in like Flynn.. Something something relating to Hunter.
Guess Grundy becomes the 1st priority upgrade. Certainly wouldn't mind a few sub 110 scores from him over the next Month.
Am I the only one seriously considering trading Grundy?
I reckon it will be carnage round 14 for many so having an extra premo in there could make a world of difference. If Grundy is sidelined for 3 weeks it's a no brainer.
3 round projected price
Naitanui - 634k
Grundy - 574k
Almost a 100k turnaround, could easily buy back in and use the money to upgrade say a Sidebottom/Heeney to Dangerfield.
If you have the trades then a Grundy out to NicNat and back in would be great. Most people probably wouldn’t consider it as trade wise they are running close to the wind with a view to completing teams and saving 5 for the end
. That’s where I’m at anyway.
I might have to get creative with my cash situation. Nic Nat is probably the only ruck worth grabbing but he will miss at some point and the trades are scarce.
Moyle is one I'm also thinking for R3 if my byes weren't up the shi**er. Smith isn't any good and injury prone. He will get games at some point and is bargain basement. Grabbing Reeves on the bubble and maybe turning him into Moyle down the track could be huge
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 03, 2021, 06:58:51 PM
I might have to get creative with my cash situation. Nic Nat is probably the only ruck worth grabbing but he will miss at some point and the trades are scarce.
Moyle is one I'm also thinking for R3 if my byes weren't up the shi**er. Smith isn't any good and injury prone. He will get games at some point and is bargain basement. Grabbing Reeves on the bubble and maybe turning him into Moyle down the track could be huge
Taking one less premo into a bye campaign sounds like trouble, recipe for donuts if you ask me. Nic Nat not a keeper but there is money to be made here, not huge margins but enough to make another upgrade.