Have seen 0 to no mention of this bloke and i am really surprised. Lots of people are jumping on Dan Houston However i think DBJ is the pick.
Post Bye Round last year :
DBJ: 94 (lead Port Adelaide, AND INCLUDES a 7 (inj))
Houston 88.7 avg
Floor Last year:
DBJ: 52 (3 sub 70, 6 sub 80) (excluding injured 7)
Dan Houston: 54 (4 sub 70, 6 sub 80)
Ceiling Last Year:
DBJ: 130, with 7 Tons
Houston: 134, with 4 Tons
Price:
DBJ: 447k
Houston: $475k
AVG:
DBJ: 87.2 (91 without his 7 again)
Houston: 89.3
Top it all off, DBJ owned in just 1% of teams, and Houston 18% of teams!
I mentioned this in the defenders thread about a month ago...
Brilliant, sorry I didn’t see you comment a month ago, hopefully you’ll have some good stuff to add to the discussion!
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 07, 2020, 02:10:37 PM
I mentioned this in the defenders thread about a month ago...
Only a month ago? I mentioned him nearly 2 months ago :P
Quote from: walloo44 on February 07, 2020, 02:05:44 PM
Have seen 0 to no mention of this bloke and i am really surprised. Lots of people are jumping on Dan Houston However i think DBJ is the pick.
Post Bye Round last year :
DBJ: 94 (lead Port Adelaide, AND INCLUDES a 7 (inj))
Houston 88.7 avg
Floor Last year:
DBJ: 52 (3 sub 70, 6 sub 80) (excluding injured 7)
Dan Houston: 54 (4 sub 70, 6 sub 80)
Ceiling Last Year:
DBJ: 130, with 7 Tons
Houston: 134, with 4 Tons
Price:
DBJ: 447k
Houston: $475k
AVG:
DBJ: 87.2 (91 without his 7 again)
Houston: 89.3
Top it all off, DBJ owned in just 1% of teams, and Houston 18% of teams!
How was the 7 injury-affected? He played 81% TOG and played the next week? No mention of an injury anywhere.
DBJ seems like a good option on paper, but it's always a risk bringing in a player who hasn't been an elite SCer especially if you were considering him a keeper, I'll keep an eye on him though and would rather go Houston now that Wines is injured.
Quote from: erich1036 on February 07, 2020, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: walloo44 on February 07, 2020, 02:05:44 PM
Have seen 0 to no mention of this bloke and i am really surprised. Lots of people are jumping on Dan Houston However i think DBJ is the pick.
Post Bye Round last year :
DBJ: 94 (lead Port Adelaide, AND INCLUDES a 7 (inj))
Houston 88.7 avg
Floor Last year:
DBJ: 52 (3 sub 70, 6 sub 80) (excluding injured 7)
Dan Houston: 54 (4 sub 70, 6 sub 80)
Ceiling Last Year:
DBJ: 130, with 7 Tons
Houston: 134, with 4 Tons
Price:
DBJ: 447k
Houston: $475k
AVG:
DBJ: 87.2 (91 without his 7 again)
Houston: 89.3
Top it all off, DBJ owned in just 1% of teams, and Houston 18% of teams!
How was the 7 injury-affected? He played 81% TOG and played the next week? No mention of an injury anywhere.
Yep I hunted high and low for an explanation for that 7 against the Roos and there is none a mare symbol in FF archives but the rest of his scores are good maybe he was sick would be best reason.
Quote from: shaker on February 07, 2020, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: erich1036 on February 07, 2020, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: walloo44 on February 07, 2020, 02:05:44 PM
Have seen 0 to no mention of this bloke and i am really surprised. Lots of people are jumping on Dan Houston However i think DBJ is the pick.
Post Bye Round last year :
DBJ: 94 (lead Port Adelaide, AND INCLUDES a 7 (inj))
Houston 88.7 avg
Floor Last year:
DBJ: 52 (3 sub 70, 6 sub 80) (excluding injured 7)
Dan Houston: 54 (4 sub 70, 6 sub 80)
Ceiling Last Year:
DBJ: 130, with 7 Tons
Houston: 134, with 4 Tons
Price:
DBJ: 447k
Houston: $475k
AVG:
DBJ: 87.2 (91 without his 7 again)
Houston: 89.3
Top it all off, DBJ owned in just 1% of teams, and Houston 18% of teams!
How was the 7 injury-affected? He played 81% TOG and played the next week? No mention of an injury anywhere.
Yep I hunted high and low for an explanation for that 7 against the Roos and there is none a mare symbol in FF archives but the rest of his scores are good maybe he was sick would be best reason.
Brought him in late last season during his rich vein of form and he was bloody solid in the role he had for the second half of the year where his fantasy output increased a bit. As a result of having him, I watched him pretty closely. In that game where he scored 7, he literally just couldn’t get near it, it was the most ridiculous performance I’ve ever seen when factoring how prolific he’d been prior. So yeah, there was no injury issue, it was just one of those days where he couldn’t get a touch even if he was the only bloke out there.
Quote from: shaker on February 07, 2020, 04:14:10 PM
Yep I hunted high and low for an explanation for that 7 against the Roos and there is none a mare symbol in FF archives but the rest of his scores are good maybe he was sick would be best reason.
North pumped them
Darcy Byrne-Jones 7
Matthew Broadbent 46
Riley Bonner 40
Ryan Burton 53
Justin Westhoff 72
Tom Clurey 72
from the defenders.
No mention due to the fact not worth picking
I like Nick Haynes GWS aswell and atm starting both Houston and DB-J. All three should give 90 ish a shake. 90's probably the bench mark for defenders, hell Simmo ave'd 90 for 20 years there.
Quote from: eaglesman on February 07, 2020, 08:34:03 PM
No mention due to the fact not worth picking
102avg after the bye, he's worth mentioning
He'll be their main man rebounding out of the back half too especially with Houston moving to the mids
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 07, 2020, 08:34:03 PM
No mention due to the fact not worth picking
102avg after the bye, he's worth mentioning
He'll be their main man rebounding out of the back half too especially with Houston moving to the mids
Where'd you pull 102 from? He averaged 94 after the bye.
Quote from: erich1036 on February 07, 2020, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 07, 2020, 08:34:03 PM
No mention due to the fact not worth picking
102avg after the bye, he's worth mentioning
He'll be their main man rebounding out of the back half too especially with Houston moving to the mids
Where'd you pull 102 from? He averaged 94 after the bye.
I'd say by erroneusly removing that 7 as an injury game. Still a good output
Quote from: js19 on February 07, 2020, 11:37:30 PM
Quote from: erich1036 on February 07, 2020, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2020, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 07, 2020, 08:34:03 PM
No mention due to the fact not worth picking
102avg after the bye, he's worth mentioning
He'll be their main man rebounding out of the back half too especially with Houston moving to the mids
Where'd you pull 102 from? He averaged 94 after the bye.
I'd say by erroneusly removing that 7 as an injury game. Still a good output
Yeah, that 7 is a once in a career type outlier - I'm disregarding that
It was actually longer than the bye too - Round 9 to 23 (minus the 7 score round) was 13 games at 102avg
That's extremely good, and definitely worth considering
Disregarding that 7 is cherry picking numbers if he did in fact play the majority of the game (which it sounds like he did). I don't see the appeal in either DBJ or Houston. I'd rather pay up and get a combo of Lloyd and Laird to go with Doc or take the punt on Howe as a mid priced option
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 08, 2020, 05:05:47 PM
Disregarding that 7 is cherry picking numbers if he did in fact play the majority of the game (which it sounds like he did). I don't see the appeal in either DBJ or Houston. I'd rather pay up and get a combo of Lloyd and Laird to go with Doc or take the punt on Howe as a mid priced option
Of course it's cherry picking, but it's fine too. Look at it another way, 13 out of his last 14 games he scored well. Slice it any way you like, but I'll bet he won't ever put up 7 in a full game again
That said, I did say somewhere else that even though I personally think Houston and DBJ will do well this year I don't really see any main reason to start either - it's not like they're a lot cheaper and breakout contenders at their prices - spend the measly 20-40k more and start proven guys like Laird, Sicily etc
If money is tight and I need to shuffle a few prems around to make a few extra bucks though, then I'll definitely consider these two to start
DBJ is meh with Burton in the team, the end.
There is always a few players that have strong finishes to the year prior. The question is guessing which ones will continue that form going forward. Invariable there is a few that will.
its just as likely they dont and you get stuck with a player that is scoring just below premium and your stuck in a rock and hard place on what to do.
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 10, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
There is always a few players that have strong finishes to the year prior. The question is guessing which ones will continue that form going forward. Invariable there is a few that will.
its just as likely they dont and you get stuck with a player that is scoring just below premium and your stuck in a rock and hard place on what to do.
Yep got sucked into Jack Steele last year he started pretty good then fell away and ended up losing money and lots of points by the time I traded him out.
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 10, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
There is always a few players that have strong finishes to the year prior. The question is guessing which ones will continue that form going forward. Invariable there is a few that will.
its just as likely they dont and you get stuck with a player that is scoring just below premium and your stuck in a rock and hard place on what to do.
There's a difference between ending the year well, and going well from Round 9 onwards last year - that's a lot longer than just the end of year
But yes, I wouldn't be getting trapped by guys who had a strong 3-5 weeks ending the year - those are the traps that generally don't end up well - DBJ on the other hand seemed to be operating at prem level for 2/3 of the season
Will be interested to see how he goes this year
Quote from: meow meow on February 09, 2020, 07:52:36 PM
DBJ is meh with Burton in the team, the end.
Only if you include the ridiculous 7 in his averages. If we exclude the 7:
From rd 9 DBJ averaged 102.67 with Burton not in the team.
From rd 9 DBJ averaged 102.71 with Burton in the team.
So Burton didn't impact him at all unless he was personally responsible for that 7.
Has anyone actually done a review on DBJ that looks at why his scoring increased rather than just looking at the numbers.
I cannot remember anyone actually looking into the reason for the increase in his scoring.
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 12, 2020, 12:31:09 PM
Has anyone actually done a review on DBJ that looks at why his scoring increased rather than just looking at the numbers.
I cannot remember anyone actually looking into the reason for the increase in his scoring.
There's not really much to it
He plays a role that is SC friendly - he rebounds off HB for them, is a pretty clean user and I dare say a big chunk of it would just come down to general improvement as a player
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 12, 2020, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 12, 2020, 12:31:09 PM
Has anyone actually done a review on DBJ that looks at why his scoring increased rather than just looking at the numbers.
I cannot remember anyone actually looking into the reason for the increase in his scoring.
There's not really much to it
He plays a role that is SC friendly - he rebounds off HB for them, is a pretty clean user and I dare say a big chunk of it would just come down to general improvement as a player
If that is the case though then why was it not a full year thing rather than a clear defining point in the season.
There was a clear change in his scoring with 6 of his first 8 games under 80 points. Then only 2 of 14 after that point went below 80 (including the 7). This is why I feel there is something too it.
In the first 8 rounds his DT to SC conversion was a -68 an average of -8.5 per game (He had 7/8 games with Negative Conversion). Following that he went at a +88 an average of +5.86 per game (He Had 10/14 with Positive Conversion).
In Each of his last 3 years DBJ has started the season (Up until the Bye) with a negative DT to SC conversion, but every year he has come home with a positive conversion rate over the second half of the season.
What this tells me is something changed given DT is purely a stats based measure while SC is more subjective.
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 12, 2020, 05:11:29 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 12, 2020, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 12, 2020, 12:31:09 PM
Has anyone actually done a review on DBJ that looks at why his scoring increased rather than just looking at the numbers.
I cannot remember anyone actually looking into the reason for the increase in his scoring.
There's not really much to it
He plays a role that is SC friendly - he rebounds off HB for them, is a pretty clean user and I dare say a big chunk of it would just come down to general improvement as a player
If that is the case though then why was it not a full year thing rather than a clear defining point in the season.
There was a clear change in his scoring with 6 of his first 8 games under 80 points. Then only 2 of 14 after that point went below 80 (including the 7). This is why I feel there is something too it.
In the first 8 rounds his DT to SC conversion was a -68 an average of -8.5 per game (He had 7/8 games with Negative Conversion). Following that he went at a +88 an average of +5.86 per game (He Had 10/14 with Positive Conversion).
In Each of his last 3 years DBJ has started the season (Up until the Bye) with a negative DT to SC conversion, but every year he has come home with a positive conversion rate over the second half of the season.
What this tells me is something changed given DT is purely a stats based measure while SC is more subjective.
Eh, I don't think players only improve from Round 1 - perhaps he just took a month or so to get into things, or perhaps he just naturally started getting better as an overall player from that point on?
I don't recall there being any significant change to his role
Houston and Byrne Jones are both very tempting. But for me I think I’d rather pay the extra 50k and get Laird who is just so much safer.