Would be interested in getting a feel for the spine of people's teams.
My Cheapest Keeper & most expensive Cash Cow for each line:
Def: Docherty (D3) / Doedee (D4)
Mid: Oliver (M5) / Rowell (M6)
Ruc: Gawn (R2) / NA
For: Martin (F2) / Bonar (F3)
Docherty Roberton
Oliver Rowell
O’Brien ....
Steven hill
Quote from: eaglesman on February 06, 2020, 10:55:38 PM
Docherty Roberton
Oliver Rowell
O’Brien ....
Steven hill
Is Steven F3?
That's interesting you have Hill on the Fwd line (I have him in defence).
How everyone handles the forward line is what's interesting.
Doc, Steven are Mid Pricers not Keepers.
Yes they may turn into Keepers, but picking them right now they are not.
Def: Docherty (D2) / Hill (D4)
Mid: Oliver (M5) / Rowell (M6)
Ruc: Gawn (R2) / NA
For: Smith (F4) / Frampton (F5)
120K in the bank
QuoteDoc, Steven are Mid Pricers not Keepers.
I think he means anticipated keepers.
DEF S. Docherty D. Roberton
MID C. Oliver M. Rowell
RUCK R. Marshall
FWD D. Smith S. Hill
DEF Docherty Doedee
MID Oliver Starcevich
RUCK Marshall
FWD Brayshaw Bonar
Quote from: RoughRed on February 07, 2020, 09:17:18 PM
DEF Docherty Doedee
MID Oliver Starcevich
RUCK Marshall
FWD Brayshaw Bonar
Hmmm that's different, makes me feel better now.
Def; Doc D5, Gould D6
Mids; Menegola M4, Rowell M5
Ruc. N/A GG
Fwd; Tmac F4, Devon F5
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 07, 2020, 11:58:17 AM
Doc, Steven are Mid Pricers not Keepers.
Yes they may turn into Keepers, but picking them right now they are not.
In my view, a Keeper is a sub-category of a Mid-Pricer i.e. it's wrong to think about a player as being a Mid-Pricer or a Keeper.
A Player is either a Premium, a Mid-Pricer, or a Rookie.
Under this umbrella:
- All Premiums are Keepers
- All Rookies are Cash Cows (except in those rare once-a-decade instances)
Mid-Pricers, on the other hand, are made up of a combination of Keepers and Cash Cows.
Ideally, I want my Cash Cows to make 150K. There are of course exceptions, but this is my general hope.
Therefore...
Jack Steven, Docherty, and Devon Smith should absolutely be picked with the expectation of being Keepers.
If Jack Steven makes 150K - i.e. appreciates to 510K - his scoring would be at a premium level, which means you wouldn't sell him. You'd only sell him if he made far less than 150K, which would mean his scoring would have been at a level you didn't expect or hope.
Same for Docherty; same for Devon Smith.
Doedee and Dylan Roberton are prime examples of Mid-Pricers who are Cash Cows. They need to get up to around 410K to be a successful pick.
The BEST mid-pricers are the ones who have an excellent chance of making 150K, and an outside chance of turning into Keepers.
(Roberton this year; Libba last year 320K)
The NEXT BEST mid-pricers are the discounted ones who are clear Keepers.
(Docherty this year)
The only query about this type of player is usually injury.
I currently don't have Jack Steven and/or Devon Smith in my team, for the express reason you stated: I don't believe they're going to score well enough, be fit often enough, to be Keepers. And if they don't turn out to be Keepers, they're going to be failed Cash Cows.
My question for those that have Jack Steven and/or Devon Smith in their teams, but don't count them as Keepers:
How many trades are you calculating you need to complete your team?
I'm having a hard time putting together a team I can complete in under 23 trades. The reason I WANT TO select Devon Smith and Jack Steven is because with them as Keepers, I can put together a team which can be completed with 21-22 trades. The people who pick Jack Steven and/or Devon Smith as hopeful Keepers, but with a view to trading them if they don't work out, aren't going to have the trades to complete their teams (optimally).
I like to exactly know my Keepers, so that regardless of whether they score poorly or well, I resist the temptation of moving them on. I don't even view them as luxury trades, because honestly, when was the last time anyone had trades in hand to make a luxury correction trade? We need to live and die by our Premium selections.
That's my take, anyway.
I don’t know how long you been round these parts. But thus far you talk a lot of sense compared to some of the crap I read on here.
That being said, is you don’t rate jack Steven as a keeper tell me who you are predicting to be a better f6 by seasons end.
Whitfield Martin Walters Heeney the clear picks at this stage but after that it’s a struggle.
Quote from: eaglesman on February 08, 2020, 06:29:00 PM
I don’t know how long you been round these parts. But thus far you talk a lot of sense compared to some of the crap I read on here.
That being said, is you don’t rate jack Steven as a keeper tell me who you are predicting to be a better f6 by seasons end.
Whitfield Martin Walters Heeney the clear picks at this stage but after that it’s a struggle.
My concern with Jack Steven is less with scoring and more with a lack of confidence he'll play 15+ games. How many games does he need to play to justify the pick? (Honestly, it feels such bad form discussing Jack Steven as a SC asset, as there's a person behind the player, and I wish only the best for him).
My problem with Devon Smith is scoring potential (due to where he'll play).
The way my team's currently set up, I absolutely must find one more mid-pricer or I'm going to have a hard time completing it. Most of my premium's are ultra-premiums, and too many of my Rookies are high-priced Rookies. It doesn't feel optimal, but I can't find a structure that works for me. That's why I started this topic.
Your estimations of me will drop when you learn I'm considering: Bailey Smith; A. Brayshaw; C. Rayner.
Btw been a member here since 2011, but in that time mostly a reader. Changed my username last year (was Sonnydark, but the name of my SC team is Colley Dogs). Only really started posting a few years ago, and selectively. I know who you are, of course, and follow your posts with interest :)
Quote from: Colley Dogs on February 08, 2020, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 08, 2020, 06:29:00 PM
I don’t know how long you been round these parts. But thus far you talk a lot of sense compared to some of the crap I read on here.
That being said, is you don’t rate jack Steven as a keeper tell me who you are predicting to be a better f6 by seasons end.
Whitfield Martin Walters Heeney the clear picks at this stage but after that it’s a struggle.
My concern with Jack Steven is less with scoring and more with a lack of confidence he'll play 15+ games. How many games does he need to play to justify the pick? (Honestly, it feels such bad form discussing Jack Steven as a SC asset, as there's a person behind the player, and I wish only the best for him).
My problem with Devon Smith is scoring potential (due to where he'll play).
The way my team's currently set up, I absolutely must find one more mid-pricer or I'm going to have a hard time completing it. Most of my premium's are ultra-premiums, and too many of my Rookies are high-priced Rookies. It doesn't feel optimal, but I can't find a structure that works for me. That's why I started this topic.
Your estimations of me will drop when you learn I'm considering: Bailey Smith; A. Brayshaw; C. Rayner.
Btw been a member here since 2011, but in that time mostly a reader. Changed my username last year (was Sonnydark, but the name of my SC team is Colley Dogs). Only really started posting a few years ago, and selectively. I know who you are, of course, and follow your posts with interest :)
I considered bailey smith for a fleeting moment.
I considered brayshaw for less time than smith.
And Rayner I would pick if I had 40 spots up forward to fill.
F3 is definitely a difficult spot this season.
I feel like you either pay max price for Walters, get the security of a top 6 forward but sacrifice elsewhere.
Go Steven, smith With their risks or the hyped greenwood who I’m not buying into. Or you go the risk of Tom Lynchâ€" someone who has been in my team many times but nervous to take the risk.
Or you pick aiden bonar at f3 and enjoy slow price rises in your forward line. (I just went Steven to bonar for a look and went Houston to jkelly/dunkley)
There are two types of mid-pricers:
- Breakout contenders
- Fallen Prems (due to injury)
Anyone who is picking the likes of Steven, Dev Smith or Docherty - they are clearly fallen prems and you are picking them to be keepers. They are only "mid priced" due to injury, not performance
As for me
D: Docherty & Doedee/Robbo
M: Oliver & Rowell
F: Dev Smith & Hill
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 09, 2020, 11:40:01 AM
There are two types of mid-pricers:
- Breakout contenders
- Fallen Prems (due to injury)
Anyone who is picking the likes of Steven, Dev Smith or Docherty - they are clearly fallen prems and you are picking them to be keepers. They are only "mid priced" due to injury, not performance
As for me
D: Docherty & Doedee/Robbo
M: Oliver & Rowell
F: Dev Smith & Hill
Nice.
You and Eaglesman both have Hill on the Fwd line.
I think you've got that right, and I might need to follow suit.
Quote from: eaglesman on February 09, 2020, 11:09:20 AM
Or you pick aiden bonar at f3 and enjoy slow price rises in your forward line. (I just went Steven to bonar for a look and went Houston to jkelly/dunkley)
I have Bonar at F3 as well.
Would only change him up if the cash came from downgrading Gawn.
I feel more comfortable with 5 sparkling Mids. There's just less uncertainty around the core group of ultra premium mids compared to the forwards and defenders.
Bonar at F3 is nuts lol
I wouldn't even put him at F4 let alone F3!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 09, 2020, 04:07:44 PM
Bonar at F3 is nuts lol
I wouldn't even put him at F4 let alone F3!
For me, at this point, it's more about the structure and less about the individual players. We can tussle over the players later.
Replace Bonar with premium Rookie at F3
(You're more than likely right about Bonar btw)
But the money has to come from somewhere.
I have:
2 prem Defenders + Docherty
5 ultra premium midfielders
GG
Whitfield; Dusty
With this structure the money's coming from F3, no questions asked. It's the position with the least guarantees. Who the heck knows what Devon Smith's going to score, and whether Jack Steven will play enough footy to justify the pick. I understand why people are selecting them, but I have doubts.
(I do have eight 140K+ Rookies, so that's an issue. I could scrape some cash from there to strengthen F3; but I just don't like any of the mid-priced Forward options)
Otherwise, the cash must come from M5 (e.g. Houston, as we chatted about yesterday)
Or R2 ROB
In your spine, at Forwards, you have D. Smith & Hill.
I'm assuming Smith is F3 and Hill is F4. Is that right?
I gather then you've invested a little less than me in your Rookie group. Which is smart. I hope they come off.
I have Bonar at F3, not because I like him per se, but because I don't have faith in D. Smith and the collection of 117K - 123K Rookies a lot of people are fielding. There are a handful, for sure, but not enough. I think we'll need to invest in 2-3 more 140K+ rookies than we normally do.
I hope I'm wrong as it will make things a whole lot easier.
I'm probably going to end up with Smith or Steven as a blocking play. We can all fail or succeed together. I don't want my whole season resting on a weird differential at F3.
But it's what I have at the moment.
I've got Rowell at M5, which allows me to ensure all other lines are solid
I really want 5 prem mids but it just impacts other lines too much
Lloyd, Laird, Docherty, Doedee, Roberton, Rookie
Whitfield, Dusty, Heeney, Dev, Hill, Rookie
Not relying on def and fwd rookies on field - will field Rowell + 3 mid rookies
Picking Doc as a keeper. Paying up for Young
Hanners + Sier
Picking TJ as a keeper. Weightman
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 09, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
I've got Rowell at M5, which allows me to ensure all other lines are solid
I really want 5 prem mids but it just impacts other lines too much
Lloyd, Laird, Docherty, Doedee, Roberton, Rookie
Whitfield, Dusty, Heeney, Dev, Hill, Rookie
Not relying on def and fwd rookies on field - will field Rowell + 3 mid rookies
I want the 5 prem mids as well but I don’t believe there are enough mis rookies available for this. I I think Rowell at m5 is a big gamble. Struggling to see playing midfield bench rookies aye.
Quote from: eaglesman on February 09, 2020, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 09, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
I've got Rowell at M5, which allows me to ensure all other lines are solid
I really want 5 prem mids but it just impacts other lines too much
Lloyd, Laird, Docherty, Doedee, Roberton, Rookie
Whitfield, Dusty, Heeney, Dev, Hill, Rookie
Not relying on def and fwd rookies on field - will field Rowell + 3 mid rookies
I want the 5 prem mids as well but I don’t believe there are enough mis rookies available for this. I I think Rowell at m5 is a big gamble. Struggling to see playing midfield bench rookies aye.
If need be, I can move Heeney to M5 and bring in another fwd rookie
We'll have a clearer idea of what rookies look like playing (and being half decent scorers) and then adjust accordingly
Either way, 5 600k mids (Plus GG) just makes another line/s too weak imo
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 09, 2020, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 09, 2020, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 09, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
I've got Rowell at M5, which allows me to ensure all other lines are solid
I really want 5 prem mids but it just impacts other lines too much
Lloyd, Laird, Docherty, Doedee, Roberton, Rookie
Whitfield, Dusty, Heeney, Dev, Hill, Rookie
Not relying on def and fwd rookies on field - will field Rowell + 3 mid rookies
I want the 5 prem mids as well but I don’t believe there are enough mis rookies available for this. I I think Rowell at m5 is a big gamble. Struggling to see playing midfield bench rookies aye.
If need be, I can move Heeney to M5 and bring in another fwd rookie
We'll have a clearer idea of what rookies look like playing (and being half decent scorers) and then adjust accordingly
Either way, 5 600k mids (Plus GG) just makes another line/s too weak imo
You mean someone like Bonar at F3?
Haha just joking RD ;D
There's a lot more forwards with top 6 potential than people are giving credit. Outside of young breakout contenders (brayshaw, smith etc) there is also:
Ceglar (if McEvoy is used in defence averages 95+)
Ebert (averaged 100 from 6 games pre-concussion)
R. Gray (long history of 90-100+)
Gunston (history of 90+)
Wingard (history of 90+ and ended 2019 strong)
T Mcdonald (history of 90+ including 97 in 2018)
Hawkins (100avg in 2018)
Each of these guys has history that shows they can score well enough to be in the top echelon of forwards if they play their best footy. I can't advocate picking any of them right now, but it does dissuade me from dev and steven as theres a lot of options up forward.
Quote from: duffercoat on February 10, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
There's a lot more forwards with top 6 potential than people are giving credit. Outside of young breakout contenders (brayshaw, smith etc) there is also:
Ceglar (if McEvoy is used in defence averages 95+)
Ebert (averaged 100 from 6 games pre-concussion)
R. Gray (long history of 90-100+)
Gunston (history of 90+)
Wingard (history of 90+ and ended 2019 strong)
T Mcdonald (history of 90+ including 97 in 2018)
Hawkins (100avg in 2018)
Each of these guys has history that shows they can score well enough to be in the top echelon of forwards if they play their best footy. I can't advocate picking any of them right now, but it does dissuade me from dev and steven as theres a lot of options up forward.
I must admit one of these blokes in particular looks a great pick but bit of water to go under the bridge yet.
Quote from: eaglesman on February 10, 2020, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: duffercoat on February 10, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
There's a lot more forwards with top 6 potential than people are giving credit. Outside of young breakout contenders (brayshaw, smith etc) there is also:
Ceglar (if McEvoy is used in defence averages 95+)
Ebert (averaged 100 from 6 games pre-concussion)
R. Gray (long history of 90-100+)
Gunston (history of 90+)
Wingard (history of 90+ and ended 2019 strong)
T Mcdonald (history of 90+ including 97 in 2018)
Hawkins (100avg in 2018)
Each of these guys has history that shows they can score well enough to be in the top echelon of forwards if they play their best footy. I can't advocate picking any of them right now, but it does dissuade me from dev and steven as theres a lot of options up forward.
I must admit one of these blokes in particular looks a great pick but bit of water to go under the bridge yet.
The problem is though, picking the right one
I'm avoiding the guessing games - Whitfield, Dusty and Heeney starting for me, then I can pick off the rest based on who is looking best as the season goes on
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 10, 2020, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 10, 2020, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: duffercoat on February 10, 2020, 03:11:50 PM
There's a lot more forwards with top 6 potential than people are giving credit. Outside of young breakout contenders (brayshaw, smith etc) there is also:
Ceglar (if McEvoy is used in defence averages 95+)
Ebert (averaged 100 from 6 games pre-concussion)
R. Gray (long history of 90-100+)
Gunston (history of 90+)
Wingard (history of 90+ and ended 2019 strong)
T Mcdonald (history of 90+ including 97 in 2018)
Hawkins (100avg in 2018)
Each of these guys has history that shows they can score well enough to be in the top echelon of forwards if they play their best footy. I can't advocate picking any of them right now, but it does dissuade me from dev and steven as theres a lot of options up forward.
I must admit one of these blokes in particular looks a great pick but bit of water to go under the bridge yet.
The problem is though, picking the right one
I'm avoiding the guessing games - Whitfield, Dusty and Heeney starting for me, then I can pick off the rest based on who is looking best as the season goes on
RD, your team interests me. I'm pretty set on a particular structure... (you can see on SC Team Advice: I posted my team tonight).
But your comments make me consider another structure that's worth pursuing i.e. Heeney at F3 (with Rowell at M5).
I have a template for this structure (with Cockatoo as a mid Rookie); which effectively means Heeney at M5 and Bonar at F3 :)
What makes this attractive to me is fielding BOTH Doedee and Roberton after Docherty @ D3.
However: it seems you also have D. Smith @ F4?
May I ask: who is your M4? (mine is Oliver)
Are you posting your team on SC Team Advice this season?
Cheers, CD.
I'm not posting a team at the moment because honestly, I just don't see the point
It's still super early and it will change another 50 times before now and Round 1, so I'm just playing around with things and waiting for Marsh Series to start
As for the current line-up, Oliver is M4 but I'm not certain on how I want to set up my forward line now, so just going to wait and see
Ideally, I start both Heeney and Dev. I've been pretty low on Dev and never really thought much of him for SC, but he seems to be having a ripper summer whilst most of their mids aren't, so that coupled with his price has me looking to now start him
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 11, 2020, 11:57:38 PM
I'm not posting a team at the moment because honestly, I just don't see the point
It's still super early and it will change another 50 times before now and Round 1, so I'm just playing around with things and waiting for Marsh Series to start
As for the current line-up, Oliver is M4 but I'm not certain on how I want to set up my forward line now, so just going to wait and see
Ideally, I start both Heeney and Dev. I've been pretty low on Dev and never really thought much of him for SC, but he seems to be having a ripper summer whilst most of their mids aren't, so that coupled with his price has me looking to now start him
Totally understand. Thanks man! :)
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Robertson/Hill (D3-D5)
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6)
Grundy/Gawn
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)
Going really cheap down back this year as there seems to be a lot of value at this stage anyways.
Quote from: Money Shot on February 13, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Robertson/Hill (D3-D5)
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6)
Grundy/Gawn
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)
Going really cheap down back this year as there seems to be a lot of value at this stage anyways.
Yep, my thinking too.
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Roberton/Hill (D3-D5) assume you mean Roberton.... same for me
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6) ... Conigs at M5 and Rowell at M6 for me
Grundy/Gawn ... same
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)... same
Quote from: enzedder on February 13, 2020, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 13, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Robertson/Hill (D3-D5)
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6)
Grundy/Gawn
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)
Going really cheap down back this year as there seems to be a lot of value at this stage anyways.
Yep, my thinking too.
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Roberton/Hill (D3-D5) assume you mean Roberton.... same for me
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6) ... Conigs at M5 and Rowell at M6 for me
Grundy/Gawn ... same
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)... same
Interesting backline structure, who do you guys have at D1 if you don't mind me asking?
Quote from: jfitty on February 13, 2020, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: enzedder on February 13, 2020, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 13, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Robertson/Hill (D3-D5)
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6)
Grundy/Gawn
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)
Going really cheap down back this year as there seems to be a lot of value at this stage anyways.
Yep, my thinking too.
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Roberton/Hill (D3-D5) assume you mean Roberton.... same for me
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6) ... Conigs at M5 and Rowell at M6 for me
Grundy/Gawn ... same
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)... same
Interesting backline structure, who do you guys have at D1 if you don't mind me asking?
Sicily
My only worry with starting both Doedee and Roberton is that if one of them gets injured or just doesn't score well then we've snookered ourselves as there's nobody else in their price range you'd trade them to
I'll see what happens but my preference is to just start one of them - reduce the risk whilst also having a fallback option
Robbo gets the nod for mine - Doedee coming off a major injury, plus who knows if McAsey and co will impact his scoring
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 13, 2020, 08:05:33 PM
My only worry with starting both Doedee and Roberton is that if one of them gets injured or just doesn't score well then we've snookered ourselves as there's nobody else in their price range you'd trade them to
I'll see what happens but my preference is to just start one of them - reduce the risk whilst also having a fallback option
Robbo gets the nod for mine - Doedee coming off a major injury, plus who knows if McAsey and co will impact his scoring
Good thoughts RD, having me thinking, thanks
Quote from: jfitty on February 13, 2020, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: enzedder on February 13, 2020, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 13, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Robertson/Hill (D3-D5)
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6)
Grundy/Gawn
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)
Going really cheap down back this year as there seems to be a lot of value at this stage anyways.
Yep, my thinking too.
Docherty (D2) - Doedee/Roberton/Hill (D3-D5) assume you mean Roberton.... same for me
Dunkley (M5)- Rowell (M6) ... Conigs at M5 and Rowell at M6 for me
Grundy/Gawn ... same
Smith (F4) - Rankine/King (F5-F6)... same
Interesting backline structure, who do you guys have at D1 if you don't mind me asking?
Laird for me. Super consistent and makes it look a little more stable down back.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 13, 2020, 08:05:33 PM
Robbo gets the nod for mine - Doedee coming off a major injury, plus who knows if McAsey and co will impact his scoring
I agree. People getting sucked into Doedee from his first year. Also with Keath leaving, Doedee will take his role I think. Won't bode well for scores.
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Quote from: frenzy on February 14, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Find me the extra rookie and I’ll follow ya and dump him.
Quote from: frenzy on February 14, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Is 70's really a fail?
Darcy Moore went similar and I consider him a success
Most people starting Robbo have him at D4 - you can't start a rookie there
Seems like a pretty low risk move starting him imo
Quote from: eaglesman on February 15, 2020, 12:09:08 AM
Quote from: frenzy on February 14, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Find me the extra rookie and I’ll follow ya and dump him.
Start another premos in def, plenty rookies down the ground
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 08:07:17 AM
Quote from: frenzy on February 14, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Is 70's really a fail?
Darcy Moore went similar and I consider him a success
Most people starting Robbo have him at D4 - you can't start a rookie there
Seems like a pretty low risk move starting him imo
That's my point RD, you could of had the same success with another rookie. Only slightly better than rookie score at a premium rookie price. The funds saved go to greatly improving another position, ie Heeney 90 ave against Danger 117 ave. If there's more and cheaper alternatives down the field so be it. We may have to start a weak line and a stronger def, all depends on rookie availability.
Quote from: frenzy on February 15, 2020, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 08:07:17 AM
Quote from: frenzy on February 14, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Is 70's really a fail?
Darcy Moore went similar and I consider him a success
Most people starting Robbo have him at D4 - you can't start a rookie there
Seems like a pretty low risk move starting him imo
That's my point RD, you could of had the same success with another rookie. Only slightly better than rookie score at a premium rookie price. The funds saved go to greatly improving another position, ie Heeney 90 ave against Danger 117 ave. If there's more and cheaper alternatives down the field so be it. We may have to start a weak line and a stronger def, all depends on rookie availability.
Gotta factor in the JS too though. Darcy Moore, and now Robbo, were best 22 where as all these rookies could get dropped
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Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Is 70's really a fail?
Darcy Moore went similar and I consider him a success
Most people starting Robbo have him at D4 - you can't start a rookie there
Seems like a pretty low risk move starting him imo
That's my point RD, you could of had the same success with another rookie. Only slightly better than rookie score at a premium rookie price. The funds saved go to greatly improving another position, ie Heeney 90 ave against Danger 117 ave. If there's more and cheaper alternatives down the field so be it. We may have to start a weak line and a stronger def, all depends on rookie availability.
Gotta factor in the JS too though. Darcy Moore, and now Robbo, were best 22 where as all these rookies could get dropped
Do the best 22s n then tell me there’s enough safe rookies frenzy ... there isn’t
Anyone, including best 22 can get dropped.,
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: frenzy on February 15, 2020, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 08:07:17 AM
Quote from: frenzy on February 14, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
Is 70's really a fail?
Darcy Moore went similar and I consider him a success
Most people starting Robbo have him at D4 - you can't start a rookie there
Seems like a pretty low risk move starting him imo
That's my point RD, you could of had the same success with another rookie. Only slightly better than rookie score at a premium rookie price. The funds saved go to greatly improving another position, ie Heeney 90 ave against Danger 117 ave. If there's more and cheaper alternatives down the field so be it. We may have to start a weak line and a stronger def, all depends on rookie availability.
Gotta factor in the JS too though. Darcy Moore, and now Robbo, were best 22 where as all these rookies could get dropped
Do the best 22s n then tell me there’s enough safe rookies frenzy ... there isn’t
it's the middle of Feb, clubs wouldn't even know their own best 22. Give it time.
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Anyone, including best 22 can get dropped.,
Those cash cows make a fortune when they out of the side though ...
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I agree. People getting sucked into Doedee from his first year. Also with Keath leaving, Doedee will take his role I think. Won't bode well for scores.
He averaged 82 that year and it was on Pyke's system which worked with Lever and Keath as well when playing that role. There is no guarantee he is getting anywhere near the 80's again and he is priced at about 270k which is a fair chunk of change. Way too much risk at that price.
Quote from: frenzy on February 14, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
Am I the only person that thinks starting Dylan Roberton is a risk. If he turns out 70's, that is an expensive rookie and it's a fail. I would rather start another rookie and save $100K plus. With that $100k, you could turn Heeney into Danger and that's a win.
After last year I don't think he even gets back and plays. As sad as it is, I wouldn't be building my team around him. He is also around the 250k mark which is a pretty awkward price.
My current draft looks like this
Def: Howe (D3) / Hill (D4)
Mid: Oliver (M5) / Rowell (M6)
Rucks: Draper (R3)
Fwd: Dev (F4) / Bonar (F5)
I have Nic Nat at R2 but don't consider him a keeper or a cash cow.
Currently:
Def: Docherty (F3) / Roberton (F4)
Mid: S. Walsh (M5) / Rowell (M6)
Ruc: Goldstein / NA
For: D. Smith (F4) / Hill (F4)
This is my spine with 14 keepers / 19 trades to complete my team.
(I'm a Carlton fan, so that explains Walsh. Word through the grapevine is Gawn isn't going to be risked Rd 1 in Perth. No interest in ROB/Jacobs etc., so will run with 3rd in line to the throne: Goldstein).
What I like:
- 11 trades for injuries/corrections
- allows for better play action in the back end of the trading season / if I get reasonable luck with injuries, I can correct trade one or two of my speculative keeper picks (e.g. Dev Smith, S. Walsh).
What I don't like:
- Flatter premium line: 10 safe premiums + 4 speculative keepers v 12/12 safe premium picks (but 23 trades to complete my team)
*Full team posted in Supercoach Team Advice*