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Title: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: lachie_001 on November 13, 2018, 07:36:48 PM
Disclaimer: I don not have an extensive knowledge over the entire draft crop, I do like to stay up to date during the year and keep an eye on the top end of the draft. This is more what I think clubs will pick based on their needs, and not a power ranking. I did this last year and ended up being a bit off but I enjoyed doing it so hopefully I get closer with another crack. Anyway enjoy having a look! :)

21/11/2018 *UPDATED*

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Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Koop on November 13, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
Hey lachie, good work on the Phantom, always nice to see a lot of differing opinions this time of year. :)

With Port, I'm going to be slightly miffed if we traded up only to nab Ben King, a guy who probably would've been available at our first pick if we hadn't traded up. I do agree that we need to bolster our key defensive stocks, but I can see that happening with potentially one of Hore or Wilkie in the rookie. Rozee has the outside class we need, and I'd assume one of him or Rankine will get through to 5.

As much as I like Hately, we've got enough stock of slow inside mids (Wines, SPP, Atley) that I can see us overlooking him. I assume Caldwell is gone here but someone with a burst of pace would be ideal.

I also can't see us nabbing Ian Hill, I'd love us to take Duursma if he's there at #15, I think he offers more of an all-round game than someone like Butters.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: lachie_001 on November 13, 2018, 08:30:31 PM
Quote from: Koop on November 13, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
Hey lachie, good work on the Phantom, always nice to see a lot of differing opinions this time of year. :)

With Port, I'm going to be slightly miffed if we traded up only to nab Ben King, a guy who probably would've been available at our first pick if we hadn't traded up. I do agree that we need to bolster our key defensive stocks, but I can see that happening with potentially one of Hore or Wilkie in the rookie. Rozee has the outside class we need, and I'd assume one of him or Rankine will get through to 5.

As much as I like Hately, we've got enough stock of slow inside mids (Wines, SPP, Atley) that I can see us overlooking him. I assume Caldwell is gone here but someone with a burst of pace would be ideal.

I also can't see us nabbing Ian Hill, I'd love us to take Duursma if he's there at #15, I think he offers more of an all-round game than someone like Butters.
Thanks! I like Duursma, and definitely think he's a chance to land at Port Adelaide. I certainly agree that Port need outside run and pace, Rankine would be perfect but I just can't see how Rankine makes it past 3. The reason I went King over Rozee is because I think 5 is just a little too early and the difference between Rozee and Hill is a lot smaller than King and the next key defender.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: shaker on November 14, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
Yeah good stuff lachie your No.25 Ely Smith I reckon he will go much earlier I'm hoping he is still there for the Tiges 1st pick but kinda doubting he will be , he looks AFL ready body wise think he might be a bolter  ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Nige on November 14, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
Quote from: shaker on November 14, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
Yeah good stuff lachie your No.25 Ely Smith I reckon he will go much earlier I'm hoping he is still there for the Tiges 1st pick but kinda doubting he will be , he looks AFL ready body wise think he might be a bolter  ;)
Ely Smith looks good, but there a plenty of better players than him in the pool. I’d be surprised if he goes before 30.

Personally I’m hoping we get one of Liam Stocker, Chayce Jones or Riley Collier-Dawkins.

I’d much rather we take a good player who slips further than they should (liks Higgins) than take someone earlier than we should and leave a better player on the board.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: shaker on November 14, 2018, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 14, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
Quote from: shaker on November 14, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
Yeah good stuff lachie your No.25 Ely Smith I reckon he will go much earlier I'm hoping he is still there for the Tiges 1st pick but kinda doubting he will be , he looks AFL ready body wise think he might be a bolter  ;)
Ely Smith looks good, but there a plenty of better players than him in the pool. I’d be surprised if he goes before 30.

Personally I’m hoping we get one of Liam Stocker, Chayce Jones or Riley Collier-Dawkins.

I’d much rather we take a good player who slips further than they should (liks Higgins) than take someone earlier than we should and leave a better player on the board.
Yeah that's true but can see those 3 being snapped up before our 1st , always a few surprises in the draft and Smith is my tip to go a lot earlier than the 30 mark being touted.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: lachie_001 on November 14, 2018, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 14, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
Quote from: shaker on November 14, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
Yeah good stuff lachie your No.25 Ely Smith I reckon he will go much earlier I'm hoping he is still there for the Tiges 1st pick but kinda doubting he will be , he looks AFL ready body wise think he might be a bolter  ;)
Ely Smith looks good, but there a plenty of better players than him in the pool. I’d be surprised if he goes before 30.

Personally I’m hoping we get one of Liam Stocker, Chayce Jones or Riley Collier-Dawkins.

I’d much rather we take a good player who slips further than they should (liks Higgins) than take someone earlier than we should and leave a better player on the board.
I can see Smith dropping out of the top 30, however I'd be surprised if he was selected inside the top 20. I think Stocker is the most likely to get to Richmond of those you pointed out. I can't see Collier-Dawkins passing Adelaide's pick 20 and I think that theres a strong chance Jones will be selected in the top 10. I might post an updated version of this next week as we hear a little more.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Money Shot on November 15, 2018, 12:52:53 PM
Agree with your top 10 apart from 1 thing.

Port moved up into the top 5 for a reason and I think that was to secure some elite home grown talent. Rozee pick 5 which means that King will go to the Gold Coast with pick 6/7.

Apart from that I like it a lot.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: shaker on November 15, 2018, 02:39:40 PM
AFL site draft machine is back pick top 10 with $10000 up for grabs , worth a stab  ;D
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Cookie311993 on November 15, 2018, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on November 15, 2018, 12:52:53 PM
Agree with your top 10 apart from 1 thing.

Port moved up into the top 5 for a reason and I think that was to secure some elite home grown talent. Rozee pick 5 which means that King will go to the Gold Coast with pick 6/7.

Apart from that I like it a lot.

I agree. That’s the general consensus on the AFL site draft machine
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on November 16, 2018, 02:01:55 AM
I hope Gold Coast pick Ben, big chance he'll wanna join his brother at the Saints in a few years time
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: lachie_001 on November 18, 2018, 04:58:26 PM
Just updated this and extended it out to 40 selections, happy to hear any criticism! :)
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: elephants on November 18, 2018, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 14, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
I’d much rather we take a good player who slips further than they should (liks Higgins) than take someone earlier than we should and leave a better player on the board.

You don't say :P
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Money Shot on November 19, 2018, 03:56:25 PM
For what it is worth this is my top 20. I haven't the draft hopefuls as much as previous years due to work but I think I've had a pretty good crack at the top 20.

Pick 1: Carlton - Sam Walsh
Pick 2: Gold Coast - Jack Lukosius
Pick 3: Gold Coast - Izak Rankine
Pick 4: St. Kilda - Max King
Pick 5: Port Adelaide - Connor Rozee
Pick 6: Sydney - Nick Blakey
Pick 7: Gold Coast - Ben King
Pick 8: Western Bulldogs - Bailey Smith
Pick 9: Adelaide - Jackson Hately
Pick 10: GWS - Jye Caldwell
Pick 11: Port Adelaide - Jordan Clark
Pick 12: GWS - Zak Butters
Pick 13: North Melbourne - Tarryn Thomas
Pick 14: Collingwood - Isaac Quayner 
Pick 15: Geelong -Chayce Jones
Pick 16: Adelaide - Riley Collier-Dawkins
Pick 17: Fremantle - Ian Hill
Pick 18: Port Adelaide - Liam Stocker
Pick 19: Adelaide - Luke Valente
Pick 20: Western Bulldogs - Rhylee West
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Koop on November 19, 2018, 04:12:55 PM
My 2018 top 20 phantom as well

1. Carlton - Sam Walsh
2. Gold Coast - Jack Lukosius
3. Gold Coast - Connor Rozee
4. St Kilda - Max King
5. Port Adelaide - Isaac Rankine
6. Sydney - Nick Blakey (GC bid matched)
7. Gold Coast - Jye Caldwell
8. Western Bulldogs - Bailey Smith
9. Adelaide - Ben King
10. GWS - Jackson Hately
11. Port Adelaide - Jordan Clark
12. North Melbourne - Tarryn Thomas (GWS bid matched)
13. GWS - Riley Collier-Dawkins
14. Geelong - Liam Stocker
15. Adelaide - Chayce Jones
16. Fremantle - Ian Hill
17. Port Adelaide - Xavier Duursma
18. Adelaide - Zac Butters
19. Western Bulldogs - Rhylee West (Richmond bid matched)
20. Richmond - Ely Smith

and rest of first round

21. Brisbane - Jez McLennan
22. North Melbourne - Bailey Scott (GWS bid matched)
23. GWS - Sam Sturt
24. West Coast - Xavier O'Halloran

I am one of the minority that doesn't expect a Quaynor bid to come in the first round.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: elephants on November 19, 2018, 04:16:52 PM
Nooooo Ian Hill is ours ty
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: GoLions on November 19, 2018, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: Koop on November 19, 2018, 04:12:55 PM
My 2018 top 20 phantom as well

1. Carlton - Walsh
2. Gold Coast - Lukosius
3. Gold Coast - Rankine
4. St Kilda - Max King
5. Port Adelaide - Isaac Rankine
6. Sydney - Nick Blakey (GC bid matched)
7. Gold Coast - Jye Caldwell
8. Western Bulldogs - Bailey Smith
9. Adelaide - Ben King
10. GWS - Jackson Hately
11. Port Adelaide - Jordan Clark
12. North Melbourne - Tarryn Thomas (GWS bid matched)
13. GWS - Riley Collier-Dawkins
14. Geelong - Liam Stocker
15. Adelaide - Chayce Jones
16. Fremantle - Ian Hill
17. Port Adelaide - Xavier Duursma
18. Adelaide - Zac Butters
19. Western Bulldogs - Rhylee West (Richmond bid matched)
20. Richmond - Ely Smith

and rest of first round

21. Brisbane - Jez McLennan
22. North Melbourne - Bailey Scott (GWS bid matched)
23. GWS - Sam Sturt
24. West Coast - Xavier O'Halloran

I am one of the minority that doesn't expect a Quaynor bid to come in the first round.
Rankine gonna play for suns and port? Fuark
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Koop on November 19, 2018, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 19, 2018, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: Koop on November 19, 2018, 04:12:55 PM
My 2018 top 20 phantom as well

1. Carlton - Walsh
2. Gold Coast - Lukosius
3. Gold Coast - Rankine
4. St Kilda - Max King
5. Port Adelaide - Isaac Rankine
6. Sydney - Nick Blakey (GC bid matched)
7. Gold Coast - Jye Caldwell
8. Western Bulldogs - Bailey Smith
9. Adelaide - Ben King
10. GWS - Jackson Hately
11. Port Adelaide - Jordan Clark
12. North Melbourne - Tarryn Thomas (GWS bid matched)
13. GWS - Riley Collier-Dawkins
14. Geelong - Liam Stocker
15. Adelaide - Chayce Jones
16. Fremantle - Ian Hill
17. Port Adelaide - Xavier Duursma
18. Adelaide - Zac Butters
19. Western Bulldogs - Rhylee West (Richmond bid matched)
20. Richmond - Ely Smith

and rest of first round

21. Brisbane - Jez McLennan
22. North Melbourne - Bailey Scott (GWS bid matched)
23. GWS - Sam Sturt
24. West Coast - Xavier O'Halloran

I am one of the minority that doesn't expect a Quaynor bid to come in the first round.
Rankine gonna play for suns and port? Fuark

Shut up Dav
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: shaker on November 22, 2018, 09:02:07 AM
Ely Smith has received a late invitation to attend tonight's draft  ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: kilbluff1985 on November 22, 2018, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: shaker on November 22, 2018, 09:02:07 AM
Ely Smith has received a late invitation to attend tonight's draft  ;)

yeah Twomey has him going to Brissy
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: shaker on November 22, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 22, 2018, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: shaker on November 22, 2018, 09:02:07 AM
Ely Smith has received a late invitation to attend tonight's draft  ;)

yeah Twomey has him going to Brissy
The kid was a standout for consistency in the combine
Kicking test - 4th
Standing vertical jump - 1st by 5 cm's
Running vertical jump L/F - 5th
"                             " R/F - 4th
Agility - 9th
Yoyo test - 8th
188 cm 86kg's can't believe no one rated him would not surprise me if he did not make it to the Lions pick.
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: RaisyDaisy on November 22, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Highlight of the night was the look on Ben King and both of his parents faces

Absolutely gutted they were lol
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on November 22, 2018, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 22, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Highlight of the night was the look on Ben King and both of his parents faces

Absolutely gutted they were lol
give it 2 years Ben  8)
Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Koop on November 24, 2018, 11:54:10 PM
DRAFT REVIEW

Note: Excuse the Port bias. Also haven't written much on the first 4 prospects as they were all pretty expected & everyone's probably read every man & their dog's take on them elsewhere. Will post the later rounds over the next few days.

ROUND 1

1   Sam Walsh   -   Carlton - No surprises here, maybe not the most talented player in this pool, but it's obvious he's extremely well put-together & his junior ballwinning numbers are spectatcular.

2   Jack Lukosius   -   Gold Coast Suns - Taken the generational KPP, good on them. Work is on GC now to keep him there. Lead-up speed & field kicking will delight fans in years to come.

3   Izak Rankine   -   Gold Coast Suns  - Biggest match winner of the crop, hard work is also ahead for the Suns to keep him there.

4   Max King   -   St Kilda - No surprises here, freakishly athletic key-forward who should blossom into a modern full-forward ala Joey D given the time & right development.

5   Connor Rozee   -   Port Adelaide - Bit of disparity among different watchers as to how they rate this kid. I'm personally rapt with picking him up at 5. Provides ample class, drive & speed that we were lacking, both in the midfield and up forward. Does have a tendency to go missing from time to time when up forward at the moment (Champs), but does something pretty much every time he touches it. Played extremely well off the back flank in the SANFL finals series showcasing his class, versatility & booming boot. Guy can kick it 55+ with ease.

6   Ben King   -   Gold Coast Suns  - Hmmm... Honestly not a huge fan of this pick from the Suns. I think you need to balance trying to bring in the best kids to your club, with the prospective ability to keep them there given GC's situation, and I think they've bitten off a lot more than they can chew here. You can pick up from interviews with both Ben & Max, as well as his parents, that they are each others close support network, and being away from the mother, who seems a bit of a mother hen, isn't going to end well.  If any of the 3 go home within the first 2 years, it's Ben 100%. Caldwell would've been the better option for them I think, or I wouldn'tve been opposed to Chayce or Hately given their situation.

7   Bailey Smith   -   Western Bulldogs - For all the negative pre-draft press about his attitude or his mother continually providing running commentary, the Bulldogs have picked up a contested beast with good skills & fantastic breakaway speed/overall pace. Good pick & should do really well over the course of his career.

8   Tarryn Thomas   -   North Melbourne - Very surprised to see Thomas bid on before Blakey, but it's Adelaide's special isn't it? Probably the second best one-touch player behind Rankine in the pool & oozes class. Needs to work on running out games at the next level.

9   Chayce Jones  -  Adelaide - Busy busy little player who from all reports is an outstanding character to boot. Jones is going to leave no stone unturned on his AFL journey, which is what you want from any draftee. I am SLIGHTLY concerned he is too short to impact a high volume of contests at AFL as he moves forward, but his combination of pace, agility & terrific work-rate should see him forge a respectable AFL career at the minimum no doubt. Good outside/inside winner at TSL & U18 Champs level this year.

10   Nick Blakey   -   Sydney Swans - Unique prospect whose mix of athletic traits, goal smarts & clean disposal will excite Swans fans for years to come. Needs to work on putting it together more often though if he is to make more of an impact at the next level. Draw's obvious comparisons to Buddy.

11   Jye Caldwell   -   GWS Giants - A wretched run of injuries leaves questions over Caldwell's durability, but there's no doubting he has some fantastic attributes for GWS to work with, highlighted by his breakaway pace from stoppages & ability to win both inside & outside ball.

12   Zak Butters   -   Port Adelaide - Was slightly confused by this pick considering the options left on the board until I saw Hinkley's welcome video for him. Butters is an outside midfielder/forward who doesn't particularly rack up the ball, but has fantastic pace, agility, the innate ability to spot targets inside the forward 50 arc and the ability to make something magical happen whenever he touches the ball. From what has been said he is going straight under Robbie Gray's wing and will be the future successor for that role once Robbie eventually hangs up the boots. Expect him to be a damaging forward half player who constantly makes defenders worry when he's near the ball.

13   Isaac Quaynor   -   Collingwood - Not sure I would've bid on a sub-180cm small defender in the first round, because that's exactly what he is. He won't ever be a damaging rebounder or interceptor, and at best will be an intelligent small backman who knows how to get the better of his opponent in 1 on 1 contests. A handy player to have at AFL level? Definitely. First-round worthy? I'm not convinced.

14   Jackson Hately   -   GWS Giants - Seen him criticised as being too vanilla, but I think he's a perfect, safe pick who could be a 25-30+ touch midfielder at AFL level, despite not having the hurt factor a few other midfielders have. Hately is a good size at 190cm and possesses extremely clean disposal & elite hands in congested situations (think Lachie Neale, or the last player I saw to come through with them, Zac Fisher.), as well as the endurance base to comfortably get from contest to contest. He also has the ability to drift or rest forward and kick goals.  All in all he is the perfect package as a modern AFL midfielder, and should have a very solid career barring something catastrophic. Could be a very popular DT/AF premium in 3-4 years time depending on other GWS departures. Averaged 19 touches at SANFL League level against men in 2018.

15 -  Jordan Clark   -   Geelong Cats - Attacking half-back who has excellent vision & decision-making. Will need to play in a team & role that accentuates his strengths, as he's very Hartlett or Seedsman-esque in being allergic to the contested, hard stuff from time to time. Still, solid pick.

16   Edward McHenry   -   Adelaide - Ehhhh.... I love Ned & think he is one of the best characters to come through in quite a few years, but I think this was about 10-15 picks too early. I don't see him as being tall enough to go through the midfield at AFL level & envision him as a small-forward, where he lacks the tricks in-front of goal that Jack Higgins has. Has a fantastic pressure game as well as good evasive skills, so there's definitely a role for him, I'm just not sure it's again, like Quaynor, a first rounder role.

17   Sam Sturt   -   Fremantle - Honestly haven't seen enough to comment too much on Sturt, but his leap & lead-up speed has been a highlight from the limited vision I've watched. Fills a need for a medium, quicker marking target up forward for the Dockers & does have absolutely elite athletic traits to work with. Watch this space.

18   Xavier Duursma   -   Port Adelaide - I watch this kid's vision & the first name that springs to mind is Justin Westhoff. Solid at all the fundamentals without being spectacular. Hugely courageous, willing to take the game on when needed & a fantastic mark, both contested & uncontested, for his size. Lacks the height to be a genuine tall option like Westhoff, but is probably a shade quicker. Both are extremely wiry which is the immediate thing that makes you draw that comparison from vision. All in all I think it's a safe selection, and the spiritual replacement to the great beard.

19   Liam Stocker   -   Carlton - Very obvious that Carlton have gone all-in on this being the last year of them residing at the bottom of the ladder with both the trade & this pick. Stocker is probably the most well-spoken prospect I've seen come through in a number of years alongside Andy Brayshaw. Does his best work at the coalface & is a clearance specialist who also possesses ample speed to explode from contests & good foot skills. My one knock on him is that his handball-receive numbers indicate he doesn't have the endurance yet to get himself involved in other possession chains (outside of clearances) to further use his weapons & broaden his impact on games at a whole. Hopefully he can work on this because he is close to the complete package otherwise for mine.

20   Riley Collier-Dawkins   -   Richmond - High risk, high reward pick from the Tigers who much has been spoken about pre-draft. Possesses a blend of speed, clean hands & explosiveness very rarely seen in players of his size. Needs to learn how to harness these into the complete package.

21   Ely Smith   -   Brisbane Lions - Massive fan of this pick. There haven't been many inside bulls come through in recent times that have both the consistency in production & agility-levels to weave through contests like Smith, not just force their way through with brute strength. Built like a brick showerhouse to boot. Won't crack the Lion's midfield straight away but given time I think this could turn out to be a very astute selection.

22   Xavier O'Halloran   -   GWS Giants  - 20-possession per game inside midfielder who's pace, vision & leadership elevated him to a first round selection whereas perhaps I had him slightly lower. Needs to work harder on his accumulation to further impact at the next level, but a nice prospect for GWS to work with nonetheless.

23   Jez McLennan   -   Gold Coast Suns - Solid intercept defender who can also play lock-down roles when required. I think this pick is what the Suns need more of. Kids who will come up to the GC (expressed his desire to go to QLD before the draft) and do their job week in, week out with minimal fuss & fanfare. (Not to be confused with journeyman with effort but with questionable AFL-quality traits) A good cog to plug into a rebuilding Suns team.




Title: Re: 2018 Mock Draft
Post by: Koop on November 25, 2018, 12:21:08 AM
Personal opinion here as well

BIGGEST STEALS: Bailey Scott, Jack Bytel (injuries permitting), Boyd Woodcock
TAKEN EARLY: James Rowbottom, Justin McInerney, Xavier O'Neill
DONT RATE: Oscar Brownless, Darcy Fort