https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/reports-brisbane-is-trying-to-lure-lachie-neale
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/30/brisbane-targeting-neale-in-bombshell-trade-news/
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-lions-chasing-dockers-star-mcgovern-on-the-move/news-story/f95f2aa633a20df3b22ef841449aba0f
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-trades/lachie-neale-takes-a-weekend-trip-to-brisbane-as-trade-talk-intensifies-ng-b88948876z
https://thewest.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/fremantle-dockers-star-lachie-neale-tight-lipped-about-future-after-return-from-brisbane-ng-b88950451z
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2018-high-tension-at-fremantle-with-lachie-neale-set-to-leave-departure-of-two-key-staffers/news-story/24ab2c70a25a3075e42e2dc4b596761e
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2018-the-trade-that-will-happen-to-get-fremantles-lachie-neale-to-the-brisbane-lions/news-story/8c1b43ffef8a0d451cc07fdd3491a5e5
Thoughts?
Is pick 4 (or 5) enough to get the deal done? Heard that Freo want a WA born player in the deal; we have Rich, Robertson, Starcevich, and Cox. Personally I think something like 1st rounder + 2019 2nd rounder isn't too bad if none of our players want to go to Freo.
Quote from: GoLions on September 07, 2018, 12:39:02 AM
Is pick 4 (or 5) enough to get the deal done? Heard that Freo want a WA born player in the deal; we have Rich, Robertson, Starcevich, and Cox. Personally I think something like 1st rounder + 2019 2nd rounder isn't too bad if none of our players want to go to Freo.
Agree talk seems to be Pick 5 plus 2019 2nd rounder if none of our WA born players want to return west. Starcevich may be the one though given he was only drafted last year with others well settled here. Cox also a possibility given he has been in and out of team this year but would not like to see him go.
Will watch with interest as this pans out.
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2018, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: GoLions on September 07, 2018, 12:39:02 AM
Is pick 4 (or 5) enough to get the deal done? Heard that Freo want a WA born player in the deal; we have Rich, Robertson, Starcevich, and Cox. Personally I think something like 1st rounder + 2019 2nd rounder isn't too bad if none of our players want to go to Freo.
Agree talk seems to be Pick 5 plus 2019 2nd rounder if none of our WA born players want to return west. Starcevich may be the one though given he was only drafted last year with others well settled here. Cox also a possibility given he has been in and out of team this year but would not like to see him go.
Will watch with interest as this pans out.
Can’t see Cox or Starcevich going to Freo, everyone knows Ross doesn’t play the kids
Quote from: Ringo on September 07, 2018, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: GoLions on September 07, 2018, 12:39:02 AM
Is pick 4 (or 5) enough to get the deal done? Heard that Freo want a WA born player in the deal; we have Rich, Robertson, Starcevich, and Cox. Personally I think something like 1st rounder + 2019 2nd rounder isn't too bad if none of our players want to go to Freo.
Agree talk seems to be Pick 5 plus 2019 2nd rounder if none of our WA born players want to return westplay for Freo. Starcevich may be the one though given he was only drafted last year with others well settled here. Cox also a possibility given he has been in and out of team this year but would not like to see him go.
Will watch with interest as this pans out.
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 07, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
Sounding like Ross is a real pain to be around can't see him lasting out his contract out TBH and this Neale stuff has come out of the blue , this is starting to be very smelly for the Dockers
Quote from: nrich102 on September 07, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
Can’t see Cox or Starcevich going to Freo, everyone knows Ross doesn’t play the kids
Did you actually read any team sheets this year?
Quote from: valkorum on September 07, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 07, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
Can’t see Cox or Starcevich going to Freo, everyone knows Ross doesn’t play the kids
Did you actually read any team sheets this year?
Giving guys like Sutcliffe and Sheridan the occasional game does not count as playing the kids! How many times does it need to be said!
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: valkorum on September 07, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 07, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
Can’t see Cox or Starcevich going to Freo, everyone knows Ross doesn’t play the kids
Did you actually read any team sheets this year?
Giving guys like Sutcliffe and Sheridan the occasional game does not count as playing the kids! How many times does it need to be said!
Not many kids were given the chance by Ross but it was pleasing to see young blokes like Sheridan get a run over some of the older guys like Suban and Danyle Pearce
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2018, 12:04:52 AM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: valkorum on September 07, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 07, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
Can’t see Cox or Starcevich going to Freo, everyone knows Ross doesn’t play the kids
Did you actually read any team sheets this year?
Giving guys like Sutcliffe and Sheridan the occasional game does not count as playing the kids! How many times does it need to be said!
Not many kids were given the chance by Ross but it was pleasing to see young blokes like Sheridan get a run over some of the older guys like Suban and Danyle Pearce
I’d be worried if the kids weren’t getting games over guys not even in their squad for 2018.
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 07, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
That rumour also got shot down during the week
Quote from: Ricochet on September 08, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 07, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
That rumour also got shot down during the week
Who the flower starts these things, and how the hell do they spread like gospel?!
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 08, 2018, 11:11:12 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 08, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 07, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
That rumour also got shot down during the week
Who the flower starts these things, and how the hell do they spread like gospel?!
Because guys like Brad Hardie have a microphone. The bloke never has anything positive to say about Freo and has it in for RTB.
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 08, 2018, 11:11:12 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 08, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 07, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
That rumour also got shot down during the week
Who the flower starts these things, and how the hell do they spread like gospel?!
Maybe a Sunday times Writer who has a habit of making up stories , could be responsible.He has a Hagged habit of making up stories about Fremantle.
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 08, 2018, 11:11:12 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 08, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 07, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
That rumour also got shot down during the week
Who the flower starts these things, and how the hell do they spread like gospel?!
Because eveyone knows that any stories involving trades sells. There have been some 18 players associated with Brisbane to give credence to the fake news.
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 08, 2018, 11:11:12 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 08, 2018, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on September 07, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Not sure how true it is, but apparently the end of year exit interview between Ross and Neale did not go down well, with a lot of yelling involved and threatening of B&F being recounted so Neale doesn't win it. :o :o :o
That rumour also got shot down during the week
Who the flower starts these things, and how the hell do they spread like gospel?!
The guy who wrote it on here is asking how it spreads haha
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2018, 12:04:52 AM
Not many kids were given the chance by Ross but it was pleasing to see young blokes like Sheridan get a run over some of the older guys like Suban and Danyle Pearce
Suban was de-listed and now plays for South Fremantle.
Young players who played this season
Cerra (19)
Brayshaw (19)
Crowden (19)
Giro (19)
Banfield (20)
Darcy (20)
Duman (20)
Cox (20)
Tucker (21)
Stiwkoski (22)
Nyhuis (22)
Switkowski (22)
Langdon (22)
Blakely (22)
Ryan (22)
Quote from: valkorum on September 08, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2018, 12:04:52 AM
Not many kids were given the chance by Ross but it was pleasing to see young blokes like Sheridan get a run over some of the older guys like Suban and Danyle Pearce
Suban was de-listed and now plays for South Fremantle.
Young players who played this season
Cerra (19)
Brayshaw (19)
Crowden (19)
Giro (19)
Banfield (20)
Darcy (20)
Duman (20)
Cox (20)
Tucker (21)
Stiwkoski (22)
Nyhuis (22)
Switkowski (22)
Langdon (22)
Blakely (22)
Ryan (22)
This is all well and good but when will Ross actually play the kids?! No wonder Freo have been rebuilding for 23 years
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: valkorum on September 08, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2018, 12:04:52 AM
Not many kids were given the chance by Ross but it was pleasing to see young blokes like Sheridan get a run over some of the older guys like Suban and Danyle Pearce
Suban was de-listed and now plays for South Fremantle.
Young players who played this season
Cerra (19)
Brayshaw (19)
Crowden (19)
Giro (19)
Banfield (20)
Darcy (20)
Duman (20)
Cox (20)
Tucker (21)
Stiwkoski (22)
Nyhuis (22)
Switkowski (22)
Langdon (22)
Blakely (22)
Ryan (22)
This is all well and good but when will Ross actually play the kids?! No wonder Freo have been rebuilding for 23 years
Not a single 18 year old? Unbelievable.
Quote from: Nige on September 09, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: valkorum on September 08, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2018, 12:04:52 AM
Not many kids were given the chance by Ross but it was pleasing to see young blokes like Sheridan get a run over some of the older guys like Suban and Danyle Pearce
Suban was de-listed and now plays for South Fremantle.
Young players who played this season
Cerra (19)
Brayshaw (19)
Crowden (19)
Giro (19)
Banfield (20)
Darcy (20)
Duman (20)
Cox (20)
Tucker (21)
Stiwkoski (22)
Nyhuis (22)
Switkowski (22)
Langdon (22)
Blakely (22)
Ryan (22)
This is all well and good but when will Ross actually play the kids?! No wonder Freo have been rebuilding for 23 years
Not a single 18 year old? Unbelievable.
Switkowski was
that good he's listed twice
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 09, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 09, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: valkorum on September 08, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2018, 12:04:52 AM
Not many kids were given the chance by Ross but it was pleasing to see young blokes like Sheridan get a run over some of the older guys like Suban and Danyle Pearce
Suban was de-listed and now plays for South Fremantle.
Young players who played this season
Cerra (19)
Brayshaw (19)
Crowden (19)
Giro (19)
Banfield (20)
Darcy (20)
Duman (20)
Cox (20)
Tucker (21)
Stiwkoski (22)
Nyhuis (22)
Switkowski (22)
Langdon (22)
Blakely (22)
Ryan (22)
This is all well and good but when will Ross actually play the kids?! No wonder Freo have been rebuilding for 23 years
Not a single 18 year old? Unbelievable.
Switkowski was that good he listed twice
No, the other is Stiwkoski, can't you read
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-05/dockers-wont-accept-pick-no4-for-neale
The best part about this interview is the flog Barrett thinking he has it all worked out and Rosich just shooting him down.
Loved it
(that being said, I believe Lachie Neale will go to Brisbane)
Also, looks like the Journo who wrote the article cant read a transcript
FREMANTLE won't accept Brisbane's first-round selection on its own in exchange for midfielder Lachie Neale, says CEO Steve Rosich.
No mention of that what so ever.
"I don't normally go down the path of discussing those things (hypothetical situations) … but if Brisbane saw fit to offer that pick (Brisbane's first pick, currently No.4), we wouldn't be accepting of it," Rosich said.
"Our first, second and third preference is to retain Lachie. It's not something we've given a lot of thought to at this stage."
Where does he mention that Pick 4 on its own wont get it done?
Suspect it will be involved in a three way trade with melbourne myself.
maybe something like this
Brisbane in - Neale, pick 43
out - picks 4 & 40
Freo in - Hogan, picks 32 & 40
out - Neale & pick 5
Melbourne in - picks 4 & 5
out - Hogan, picks 32 & 43.
That allows Melbourne then to offer 5 for Steven May.
Think the deal will get done as pretty sure Dockers will not want Neale to walk next year in return for a compo pick.
Quote from: Ringo on October 05, 2018, 04:24:14 PM
Suspect it will be involved in a three way trade with melbourne myself.
maybe something like this
Brisbane in - Neale, pick 43
out - picks 4 & 40
Freo in - Hogan, picks 32 & 40
out - Neale & pick 5
Melbourne in - picks 4 & 5
out - Hogan, picks 32 & 43.
That allows Melbourne then to offer 5 for Steven May.
Think the deal will get done as pretty sure Dockers will not want Neale to walk next year in return for a compo pick.
The Lions get best of that deal Ringo they are going to have cough up another maybe next years 1st round as well if Hogan is worth pick 4 and 5 personally I think Neale is worth more .
Quote from: shaker on October 05, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 05, 2018, 04:24:14 PM
Suspect it will be involved in a three way trade with melbourne myself.
maybe something like this
Brisbane in - Neale, pick 43
out - picks 4 & 40
Freo in - Hogan, picks 32 & 40
out - Neale & pick 5
Melbourne in - picks 4 & 5
out - Hogan, picks 32 & 43.
That allows Melbourne then to offer 5 for Steven May.
Think the deal will get done as pretty sure Dockers will not want Neale to walk next year in return for a compo pick.
The Lions get best of that deal Ringo they are going to have cough up another maybe next years 1st round as well if Hogan is worth pick 4 and 5 personally I think Neale is worth more .
I would much rather Hogan
Been saying it since the start, Pick 4 + 2019 2nd rounder (need 22 this year for Macfayden) should get it done. Also, its up to Lachie if he wants to leave or not, Rosich is delusional if he thinks they'll keep him if he doesn't want to be there.
Quote from: SilverLion on October 05, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Been saying it since the start, Pick 4 + 2019 2nd rounder (need 22 this year for Macfayden) should get it done. Also, its up to Lachie if he wants to leave or not, Rosich is delusional if he thinks they'll keep him if he doesn't want to be there.
That's way unders for a quality contracted player like Neale minimum next years 1st plus 4
Quote from: shaker on October 05, 2018, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 05, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Been saying it since the start, Pick 4 + 2019 2nd rounder (need 22 this year for Macfayden) should get it done. Also, its up to Lachie if he wants to leave or not, Rosich is delusional if he thinks they'll keep him if he doesn't want to be there.
That's way unders for a quality contracted player like Neale minimum next years 1st plus 4
You are dealing with Fages and Noble and they will not fall for a stupid deal like pick 2 for Lachie Neale. Lions also remember that Jack Redden who although not as good as Neale was traded for pick 19 so Pick 5 as it will be is fair but as I said earlier think that 3 way trade may be worked on. Personally I do not think Hogan is worth 4 and 5 either but with players wanting to leave you want to get the best you can but at the same time not stand in a players way who does not want to be there.
We have been raided by clubs in the Voss leppitsch years and have accepted a lot of unders.
However I tried to put another spin on this and saying would we accept 4 for Zorko and said probably no so can understand.
Quote from: Ringo on October 05, 2018, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 05, 2018, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on October 05, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Been saying it since the start, Pick 4 + 2019 2nd rounder (need 22 this year for Macfayden) should get it done. Also, its up to Lachie if he wants to leave or not, Rosich is delusional if he thinks they'll keep him if he doesn't want to be there.
That's way unders for a quality contracted player like Neale minimum next years 1st plus 4
You are dealing with Fages and Noble and they will not fall for a stupid deal like pick 2 for Lachie Neale. Lions also remember that Jack Redden who although not as good as Neale was traded for pick 19 so Pick 5 as it will be is fair but as I said earlier think that 3 way trade may be worked on. Personally I do not think Hogan is worth 4 and 5 either but with players wanting to leave you want to get the best you can but at the same time not stand in a players way who does not want to be there.
We have been raided by clubs in the Voss leppitsch years and have accepted a lot of unders.
However I tried to put another spin on this and saying would we accept 4 for Zorko and said probably no so can understand.
#2 for Neale is far from stupid
You do know you already have another thread dedicated to Lachie Neale and this deal? No need for the thread spamming.
If Fremantle satnd their ground and say he wont be released, then he has to stay or Fremantle would, I m sure take legal steps to ensure they are not shafted.He can not just say I am not playing.
I hope Fremantle do stand firm. Remember they did it last year with Lachie Weller and won.They received pick two plus one other from memory.Now Neale is a far better player than Weller.Pick four is nowhere near enough.
Quote from: anchorman on October 06, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
If Fremantle satnd their ground and say he wont be released, then he has to stay or Fremantle would, I m sure take legal steps to ensure they are not shafted.He can not just say I am not playing.
I hope Fremantle do stand firm. Remember they did it last year with Lachie Weller and won.They received pick two plus one other from memory.Now Neale is a far better player than Weller.Pick four is nowhere near enough.
Exccept they are not dealing with Suns. Personally although would love him do not really care one way or the other as he is a free agent next year and we can get a decent young gun with pick 4 so a nice win both ways for us. Can not see it happening though as I suspect Brisbane will trade for picks and give 4 and another to Freo. Talk of just adding future second but that in my opinion is fraught with danger if lions rise up the ladder. This years 22 be could be 27 - 30 next year,
Also if rumours are correct 3 way between melbourne, brisbanee and fremantle will get done,
Doesn't matter who they are dealing with.If Fremantle say no, then he stays.No ifs or buts.
Any way I am guessing that we will all know after tonights B&F.
Quote from: anchorman on October 06, 2018, 06:10:38 PM
Doesn't matter who they are dealing with.If Fremantle say no, then he stays.No ifs or buts.
Any way I am guessing that we will all know after tonights B&F.
Would like to agree with you but we know from experience that if players want to go then deals are invariably done. we have been on the receiving end so much over the years.
Not sure whether you have seen this article stating he wants out to brisbane.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/freo-midfielder-lachie-neale-committed-to-brisbane-trade-20181006-p5085t.html
I have read it, but then I looked at the so called journalist, and thought I will wait until tomorrow to find out.
Quote from: anchorman on October 06, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
If Fremantle satnd their ground and say he wont be released, then he has to stay or Fremantle would, I m sure take legal steps to ensure they are not shafted.He can not just say I am not playing.
I hope Fremantle do stand firm. Remember they did it last year with Lachie Weller and won.They received pick two plus one other from memory.Now Neale is a far better player than Weller.Pick four is nowhere near enough.
You want a player to be held to his contract, yet you're trying to get 2 contracted players in Hogan and Lobb. The hypocrisy is real.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 08, 2018, 06:32:04 PM
You want a player to be held to his contract, yet you're trying to get 2 contracted players in Hogan and Lobb. The hypocrisy is real.
Every club does that now.
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 08, 2018, 06:32:04 PM
Quote from: anchorman on October 06, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
If Fremantle satnd their ground and say he wont be released, then he has to stay or Fremantle would, I m sure take legal steps to ensure they are not shafted.He can not just say I am not playing.
I hope Fremantle do stand firm. Remember they did it last year with Lachie Weller and won.They received pick two plus one other from memory.Now Neale is a far better player than Weller.Pick four is nowhere near enough.
You want a player to be held to his contract, yet you're trying to get 2 contracted players in Hogan and Lobb. The hypocrisy is real.
you can add Kelly to that list now.He wants to come home, just like those you mentioned.The difference is that Neale is not going home.
Kelly will , it seems, have to make up his mind if he really wants to come home.
Quote from: anchorman on October 08, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on October 08, 2018, 06:32:04 PM
Quote from: anchorman on October 06, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
If Fremantle satnd their ground and say he wont be released, then he has to stay or Fremantle would, I m sure take legal steps to ensure they are not shafted.He can not just say I am not playing.
I hope Fremantle do stand firm. Remember they did it last year with Lachie Weller and won.They received pick two plus one other from memory.Now Neale is a far better player than Weller.Pick four is nowhere near enough.
You want a player to be held to his contract, yet you're trying to get 2 contracted players in Hogan and Lobb. The hypocrisy is real.
you can add Kelly to that list now.He wants to come home, just like those you mentioned.The difference is that Neale is not going home.
Kelly will , it seems, have to make up his mind if he really wants to come home.
The difference is we aren't holding anyone to ransom the same way Cats are with Kelly and Freo are with Neale. ;)
Things just got a bit more interesting. Dayne Beams wants out of the Lions to return to the Pies.This is the bloke the Lions used to run Lachie the spiel about how good the Lions are going to be a short time ago.
The Lions will ask for plenty, maybe even hold him to ransom :P, as Fremantle are supposedly are with Lachie.
I can feel Fremantle beginning to tighten the screws just a little more today.Especially after the deal struck with Power for draft tradings.
Quote from: anchorman on October 11, 2018, 01:42:40 PM
Things just got a bit more interesting. Dayne Beams wants out of the Lions to return to the Pies.This is the bloke the Lions used to run Lachie the spiel about how good the Lions are going to be a short time ago.
The Lions will ask for plenty, maybe even hold him to ransom :P, as Fremantle are supposedly are with Lachie.
I can feel Fremantle beginning to tighten the screws just a little more today.Especially after the deal struck with Power for draft tradings.
Still not sure about the accuracy of Damo's claims the Lions say they know nothing about it although I have not seen anything from Beams saying it's fake news ;)
Quote from: shaker on October 11, 2018, 01:47:00 PM
Still not sure about the accuracy of Damo's claims the Lions say they know nothing about it although I have not seen anything from Beams saying it's fake news ;)
[/quote]
Interview with Fagan on SEN this morning - he didnt know about Beams wanting a trade to Collingwood.
Even here on the Gold Coast, the word is that Brissie and the Pies are working behind closed doors to get a deal done with Beams.The noise just wont go away , no matter what Brissie say.
did Fremantle get some inside information in regards to what was going on.If these two arew workin g out a deal behind closed doors, surely Fremantle did the right thing in halting Hogan negotiations.
The media and other clubs are upset because Fremantle are holding up their trades, but Fremantle have to do what is right for Fremantle.
I guess we will beging to see some movement tomorrow. But all will be disclosed at closing time of trading Wednesday.