Poll
Question:
Have the ACB lost it?
Option 1: Yes
Option 2: No
Huge series here for the Aussies. I'm not too excited about the prospects of this one as an Australian fan but I am very much looking forward to a ripper series here. Question marks over Bancroft and Mitch Marsh as you'd expect but I also think this is a big series for Warner, Khawaja and Starc. I recon if those 3 play well Australia have a shot of winning.
I'm expecting a 3-1 result(South Africa) but I recon Aussie's would be happy with a 2-2.
Oh and any chance I get to watch Steven Smith I will be there :P
Undoubtedly the best pace attacks in the world going head to head so result will come down to whoever handles the barrage the best in my opinion.
SA slightly in front at lunch but may review burning 2 reviews in first hour. A lot will depend on Smithy now.
A solid session from these Marsh boys please :-X
If Bancroft puts up another shocker in the 2nd dig does he get dropped? This is a huge mistake on the selectors behalf by not taking another opener. I really think S.Marsh has set himself for that 5 spot. I don't want to see him be pushed up to open.
Agree so basically we have to puit up with bancroft as an opener for the series. Kwaja has opened but do not think he is an option either given his form at the moment but may be forced to with Smithy coming in at 3.
Why the heck aren't we starting earlier? Just gonna miss even more time today with the light. Looking at over 25-30 overs lost in the 1st 2 days.
Aussies miles on top too bad I don’t seem as hyped as everyone else for this test series. Would rather see Aussies go to Sri Lanka without Smith leaving and trying to win a test series over there considering how far Sri Lanka has fallen since beating the Aussies. Would also be a major benefit to the Aussies as well because a win over there brings confidence for tours up North. We proved last time we can play well in South Africa maybe not this well
In terms of rivalry these two are bigger than the Ashes. They also hate each other more than Australia and England
Cheating flogs ban the whole Aussie cricket team. Coach gets Handscomb to devliver message to CB saying he got caught. Smith one of the major ones involved. Ban the whole lot of them
What the flower.
Smith has to go, bancroft has to go. No excuses for this. It is not who we are...
Totally disgusted that Australian Cricket has stooped to this level. Any one including coach who were involved or knew about this should be sacked.
Us it time for a complete clean out as there seems to be no respect for the gentleman's game it once was.
Quote from: crowls on March 25, 2018, 08:06:21 AM
Smith has to go, bancroft has to go. No excuses for this. It is not who we are...
Yep I'm hearing it was hatched in the lunch time break by the leadership group if true all sacked and contracts torn up for anyone involved , If CA try and gloss over this with fines apart from the bans they will get they have lost me as a cricket fan >:(
I cannot say how furious I am at hearing this. Smith should be sacked as captain, and sent home from the series, along with anyone else who had any knowledge of it. Hearing that the "leadership group" came up with the idea, it sounds like at least Warner was involved as well.
I just can't believe our team would do something like this. As a diehard fan that has given them so much support over the last decade, it is embarrassing that we would stoop to something so low when it should never have even been thought of as a possibility.
Such a great shame that this was building up to be a great test series. We deserve to go on and lose now.
I hope Sutherland comes out hard on this behaviour today. If we get any protection of the Cricket Australia old boys club, I will find it very hard to support this cricket team again.
This is a clear example of a small problem manifesting into a big one. This is clearly the ICC's fault for not stepping up after the first test. Not passing any blame from the players but I still think it is worth talking about.
The should have been some manager repercussions after the 1st test but... nothing.
Oh but then in the 2nd match when someone hit someone in a zero-contact sport but... nothing.
Now, in the 3rd test since seemingly no one gets punished for anything there should be... nothing.
Next match there might be punches thrown and you know what the punishment will be? ...nothing...
Sutherland has just held a press conference. CA sending over their head of integrity and Pat Howard to do their own investigation.
I guess this way they should be able to identify all who were a part of the "leadership group" that made the decision, and if any of the coaching staff were involved.
They need to figure out what happened and take action fast though, they can't let this drag on.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction they get when we come out to bat for our second innings. If I was at the ground, I'd be joining in with the booing I think.
Quote from: BB67th on March 25, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
Sutherland has just held a press conference. CA sending over their head of integrity and Pat Howard to do their own investigation.
I guess this way they should be able to identify all who were a part of the "leadership group" that made the decision, and if any of the coaching staff were involved.
They need to figure out what happened and take action fast though, they can't let this drag on.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction they get when we come out to bat for our second innings. If I was at the ground, I'd be joining in with the booing I think.
will not be watching them, team will get what they deserve. talking heads saying anything from 1game to 6mths out, atm I just dont want them playing for Australia ever again. I know it is an overreaction but this was not just tarnishing themselves. Every australian cricket fan around the world will be held to account for this insanity for ever. At least I am not still living in Johannesberg as I do not know how I would go into work on Monday.
Quote from: crowls on March 25, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: BB67th on March 25, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
Sutherland has just held a press conference. CA sending over their head of integrity and Pat Howard to do their own investigation.
I guess this way they should be able to identify all who were a part of the "leadership group" that made the decision, and if any of the coaching staff were involved.
They need to figure out what happened and take action fast though, they can't let this drag on.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction they get when we come out to bat for our second innings. If I was at the ground, I'd be joining in with the booing I think.
will not be watching them, team will get what they deserve. talking heads saying anything from 1game to 6mths out, atm I just dont want them playing for Australia ever again. I know it is an overreaction but this was not just tarnishing themselves. Every australian cricket fan around the world will be held to account for this insanity for ever. At least I am not still living in Johannesberg as I do not know how I would go into work on Monday.
Agree there is no coming back from this the careers of all involved are over , CA can take as long as they want but they can only come to one conclusion they are stained forever.
They haven't committed murder lol
One game suspension is fine, people have been using lollies, gum etc to alter the balls forever!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on March 25, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
They haven't committed murder lol
One game suspension is fine, people have been using lollies, gum etc to alter the balls forever!
Cricketers are stupid people. I had a player once rub the ball on the ground dircetly in front of me because it was a bit dirty and he wanted to clean it. He didn't mean to ball tamper, but he was clearly doing something wrong. Lollies, gum etc you could possibly put in that category or stupidity/ignorance, at the very least the action of applying saliva to the ball is still being done.
This was an orchestrated plan to rough up one side of the ball, something you definitely are not allowed to do. You can't even throw the ball into the keeper on the bounce without being told off.
This is a lot worse than having a lolly in your mouth
Quote from: PowerBug on March 25, 2018, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on March 25, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
They haven't committed murder lol
One game suspension is fine, people have been using lollies, gum etc to alter the balls forever!
Cricketers are stupid people. I had a player once rub the ball on the ground dircetly in front of me because it was a bit dirty and he wanted to clean it. He didn't mean to ball tamper, but he was clearly doing something wrong. Lollies, gum etc you could possibly put in that category or stupidity/ignorance, at the very least the action of applying saliva to the ball is still being done.
This was an orchestrated plan to rough up one side of the ball, something you definitely are not allowed to do. You can't even throw the ball into the keeper on the bounce without being told off.
This is a lot worse than having a lolly in your mouth
The lollies the ENglish used where an orchestrated plan, they even knew exactly which lollies worked best.
Quote from: PowerBug on March 25, 2018, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on March 25, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
They haven't committed murder lol
One game suspension is fine, people have been using lollies, gum etc to alter the balls forever!
Cricketers are stupid people. I had a player once rub the ball on the ground dircetly in front of me because it was a bit dirty and he wanted to clean it. He didn't mean to ball tamper, but he was clearly doing something wrong. Lollies, gum etc you could possibly put in that category or stupidity/ignorance, at the very least the action of applying saliva to the ball is still being done.
This was an orchestrated plan to rough up one side of the ball, something you definitely are not allowed to do. You can't even throw the ball into the keeper on the bounce without being told off.
This is a lot worse than having a lolly in your mouth
One game suspension ha ha there will be no one game suspension
Quote from: shaker on March 25, 2018, 07:06:42 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on March 25, 2018, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on March 25, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
They haven't committed murder lol
One game suspension is fine, people have been using lollies, gum etc to alter the balls forever!
Cricketers are stupid people. I had a player once rub the ball on the ground dircetly in front of me because it was a bit dirty and he wanted to clean it. He didn't mean to ball tamper, but he was clearly doing something wrong. Lollies, gum etc you could possibly put in that category or stupidity/ignorance, at the very least the action of applying saliva to the ball is still being done.
This was an orchestrated plan to rough up one side of the ball, something you definitely are not allowed to do. You can't even throw the ball into the keeper on the bounce without being told off.
This is a lot worse than having a lolly in your mouth
One game suspension ha ha there will be no one game suspension
^ New team.
5 year rebuild.
probably the dumbest thing I've seen on a cricket field. did they know they're on TV?
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on March 25, 2018, 07:18:39 PM
probably the dumbest thing I've seen on a cricket field. did they know they're on TV?
Yep have had my doubts about the I.Q. of the captain and Warner now confirmed very low
What do you expect. Have you seen Warner's conduct so far this series?
However, the public expected better from Smith. Will be interesting to see how low his colours have dropped in the next home tour.
Not even really interested in the result now.
Arrogance seems to have crept back into the Aussie team. First time I heard of a "Leadership Group" in this team. Do not we trust Captain and Vice Captain any more.
Quote from: shaker on March 25, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: crowls on March 25, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: BB67th on March 25, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
Sutherland has just held a press conference. CA sending over their head of integrity and Pat Howard to do their own investigation.
I guess this way they should be able to identify all who were a part of the "leadership group" that made the decision, and if any of the coaching staff were involved.
They need to figure out what happened and take action fast though, they can't let this drag on.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction they get when we come out to bat for our second innings. If I was at the ground, I'd be joining in with the booing I think.
will not be watching them, team will get what they deserve. talking heads saying anything from 1game to 6mths out, atm I just dont want them playing for Australia ever again. I know it is an overreaction but this was not just tarnishing themselves. Every australian cricket fan around the world will be held to account for this insanity for ever. At least I am not still living in Johannesberg as I do not know how I would go into work on Monday.
Agree there is no coming back from this the careers of all involved are over , CA can take as long as they want but they can only come to one conclusion they are stained forever.
actually i dont believe they are over. certainly smith will play for australia still. Just not as Captain and hopefully not for a while. Aussies reputations are stained and Bancroft and Smith will be infamous forever. Might watch the team walk out online tonight and see what sort of reception the Saffies give them.
Quote from: crowls on March 25, 2018, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: shaker on March 25, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: crowls on March 25, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: BB67th on March 25, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
Sutherland has just held a press conference. CA sending over their head of integrity and Pat Howard to do their own investigation.
I guess this way they should be able to identify all who were a part of the "leadership group" that made the decision, and if any of the coaching staff were involved.
They need to figure out what happened and take action fast though, they can't let this drag on.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction they get when we come out to bat for our second innings. If I was at the ground, I'd be joining in with the booing I think.
will not be watching them, team will get what they deserve. talking heads saying anything from 1game to 6mths out, atm I just dont want them playing for Australia ever again. I know it is an overreaction but this was not just tarnishing themselves. Every australian cricket fan around the world will be held to account for this insanity for ever. At least I am not still living in Johannesberg as I do not know how I would go into work on Monday.
Agree there is no coming back from this the careers of all involved are over , CA can take as long as they want but they can only come to one conclusion they are stained forever.
actually i dont believe they are over. certainly smith will play for australia still. Just not as Captain and hopefully not for a while. Aussies reputations are stained and Bancroft and Smith will be infamous forever. Might watch the team walk out online tonight and see what sort of reception the Saffies give them.
What sort of reception you think they will get crowls I'm thinking pretty hostile but this test should be over very quick but if and when they play for Australia again they will cop flak for this for ever , reported on channel 10 news that they were already pulling players from matches to send to SA for next test
"BREAKING: Steve Smith and David Warner have stood down as captain and vice-captain for the remainder of this Test."
"BREAKING: Tim Paine to act as captain for the remainder of this Test match."
Quote from: PowerBug on March 25, 2018, 08:14:54 PM
"BREAKING: Steve Smith and David Warner have stood down as captain and vice-captain for the remainder of this Test."
"BREAKING: Tim Paine to act as captain for the remainder of this Test match."
Great move, glad to hear it. Just watching news breaking on ABC.
This ain't good. This is going to stick for ever. Dumb, dumb and dumb wtf
All day long fox sports new has bee showing that replay, maybe 20times every hour. Ok what happened is clearly bad but ffs, oter sports are also happening ::)
Have not heard how Big Daddy Browne went this morning! Demons choke at the G and nothing! They just keep showing the same replay
Also, the cricket in SA has been boring :P
Seems as though everyone has turned on Smith. Despite the fact he is an all-time great. Averaging 71+ as captain.
I wonder what would happen if Smith was to come out and say he was "contemplating retirement"?
That reaction might be more drastic than the one we are seeing now.
After having a couple of days to mull it over, some of the calls for life bans for Smith, Warner & co seem a little over the top.
I'd be happy with seeing all involved sent home from the current tour, and maybe miss some of the games we play in the winter (from memory there's an ODI series in Bangladesh coming up?), with none to captain the side again.
There might be a couple of players on a plane over to SA after the shield final wraps up tomorrow!
Quote from: BB67th on March 26, 2018, 08:47:10 PM
After having a couple of days to mull it over, some of the calls for life bans for Smith, Warner & co seem a little over the top.
I'd be happy with seeing all involved sent home from the current tour, and maybe miss some of the games we play in the winter (from memory there's an ODI series in Bangladesh coming up?), with none to captain the side again.
There might be a couple of players on a plane over to SA after the shield final wraps up tomorrow!
about how i feel. dont give a shower what the icc penalty is. (1 game and a fine) this is the australian cricket captain. Wonder what was going through SS mind at the time. For me a suspension of some sort, loss of captaincy and never to captain Australia again.
Life Bans may be harsh but a 12 month ban would appear appropriate for all those invoved. Remember Warnie got 12 months for his diuretic tablet so this is similar.
Need to send a message to young kids that in no way is cheating allowed.
Quote from: Levi434 on March 01, 2018, 03:36:22 PM
Huge series here for the Aussies. I'm not too excited about the prospects of this one as an Australian fan but I am very much looking forward to a ripper series here. Question marks over Bancroft and Mitch Marsh as you'd expect but I also think this is a big series for Warner, Khawaja and Starc. I recon if those 3 play well Australia have a shot of winning.
I'm expecting a 3-1 result(South Africa) but I recon Aussie's would be happy with a 2-2.
Oh and any chance I get to watch Steven Smith I will be there :P
Levi, thoughts on steve smith?
Quote from: Ringo on March 26, 2018, 11:13:48 PM
Life Bans may be harsh but a 12 month ban would appear appropriate for all those invoved. Remember Warnie got 12 months for his diuretic tablet so this is similar.
Need to send a message to young kids that in no way is cheating allowed.
Yep that sounds right Ringo they need to change the culture in the team remember the players threatened to go on strike for better pay before this tour and this is how they repay it , CA now under huge pressure by sponsors and we are the laughing stock of the cricket world , Warner for one can never keep his mouth shut but as VC has disappeared , not a word ...... time for change.
Quote from: Levi434 on March 26, 2018, 08:44:02 PM
Seems as though everyone has turned on Smith. Despite the fact he is an all-time great. Averaging 71+ as captain.
I wonder what would happen if Smith was to come out and say he was "contemplating retirement"?
That reaction might be more drastic than the one we are seeing now.
Interesting isn't it.
For people such as myself who have little more than a passing interest in the game these days, he'll just be remembered as a cheat. I used to love cricket but haven't really given a toss about it in recent years.
Add my name to those who say those involved should be given life bans. They are heroes to kids all around the world. Not only that they are extremely well paid in a game revered in history that frowns strongly on cheating and poor sportsmanship. No excuses. Only themelves to blame. They deserve everthing they get. Cheating scumbags.
Life ban the flowerers, who gives a flying flower how small the incident was. They admitted to it, everyone saw it.
I will never think of these guys the same again. Unbelievable. Don't really know if I'm interested in following cricket anymore.
Quote from: crowls on March 27, 2018, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Levi434 on March 01, 2018, 03:36:22 PM
Huge series here for the Aussies. I'm not too excited about the prospects of this one as an Australian fan but I am very much looking forward to a ripper series here. Question marks over Bancroft and Mitch Marsh as you'd expect but I also think this is a big series for Warner, Khawaja and Starc. I recon if those 3 play well Australia have a shot of winning.
I'm expecting a 3-1 result(South Africa) but I recon Aussie's would be happy with a 2-2.
Oh and any chance I get to watch Steven Smith I will be there :P
Levi, thoughts on steve smith?
Steven Smith is an all-time legend. Averaged 70 as captain whilst Ponting, Clarke, SWaugh, Border, Taylor etc only averaged 49-52. He has also captained more games than not already.
Smith should honestly just retire. Then he retires as the greatest batsman any of us will likely ever witness. He is honestly a victim of his own greatness. The public have just come to expect him to be great that anything else isn't good enough. His average is other player's great. Stemming from his origins as a part-time legspinner, it seems the public hasn't gotten over themselves and the fact they were wrong.
All of this has been drastically blown out of proportion by the media and Australian people who we didn't know were cricket fans until a few days ago. Those who were hiding or disinterested a few weeks ago; all of a sudden are the centre of conversation and now apparent experts on all things cricket, perhaps, after not even watching 1 delivery of the series up until then. Even our own Prime Minister thought it was in his best interests to come out and say something instead of focus on whatever he was supposed to be doing that day. Not to mention Smith has been failed by those above him. It's not a stretch to say that Smith has played in one of the worst Australian teams in history over the past 3-5 years and despite that he still has a winning record and has meant more to the team than any other player in history.
Not to mention he is still only 28 and you'd think should be the centrepiece of the Australian team for the next 8-10 years. It is honestly baffling that he's even been sacked. If this was so bad why did Bancroft NOT even get suspended? You know why? It's because this sort of stuff happens in every single cricket match. The ICC deemed this to be a moderate misconduct. It is on the same level as making an obscene gesture. Rabada got a 2 match ban for a small bump. That was a greater misconduct than this. The MAXIMUM penalty for this instance as outlined in their rules is: a fine and suspension for 1 (one) test. If players got fired/sacked/stood down in every case like this there wouldn't be cricket to watch.
There is only one rule we have with sports and that is winning. In any sport and in any country. Sports players are constantly and fairly placed on a pedestal which means that they on-field play is invariable to their moral decisions and vice-versa. Hence, a bad person off the field doesn't mean they are a bad player on the field. Nor a good player eqivilate to a good person. Josh Gordon has had 5+ doping violations in the NFL but he is still there. Ben Cousins is someone everyone absolutely adores watching but still hasn't fully regained control of his life after the numerous bad decisions he's made. Jon Jones has been done for PED's multiple times but the fans cheer for him over a countryman who represented them in the Olympics. Barry Bonds was so clearly cheating in baseball but will still make the Hall of Fame next year. Matthew Lodge went on a violent rampage in America, but is already back playing NRL in Australia.
Why does all of this happen? As sports fans winning means everything. Sponsors, executives, boards all feel the same way. Talent isn't free-flowing and there is always a shortage of talent. Therefore if you have it you deserve the chances. In the end; the loss of Steve Smith will be far more drastic. The constant distress watching our team lose whilst the best player in the world sits on the sidelines will make us all frustrated, angry and distant. Most importantly this distance is why test match cricket is failing. We can't have any more of it.
12, 12, 9 months for the three involved. I think that's the last time Warner plays test cricket.
Quote from: PowerBug on March 28, 2018, 08:25:40 PM
12, 12, 9 months for the three involved. I think that's the last time Warner plays test cricket.
Wow...
Surely an overreaction here?
That's ludicrous, might as well be a life ban because they'll be in no state to play in 12129 months!
Since no one cares about ODIs and T20's here are the Test matches Smith+Warner will miss if this 12 month ban is true.
1 match Away to Zimbabwe
2 matches Home VS Bangladesh
4 matches Home VS India
2 matches Home VS Sri Lanka
3 matches Away to Pakistan
12 total matches. I would be happy with a 4-8 record from those without Smith and Warner. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia only won 2 or 3 here.
Wow is there 8 matches in Aus this summer? Who's getting a double up?
yep good time for a holiday. is it only test or all forms of cricket?
Quote from: crowls on March 28, 2018, 09:41:08 PM
yep good time for a holiday. is it only test or all forms of cricket?
Can play Grade cricket, nothing higher I believe
Quote from: PowerBug on March 28, 2018, 08:42:59 PM
Wow is there 8 matches in Aus this summer? Who's getting a double up?
Quick correction Levi fairly sure it's two tests in Zimbabwe, could be wrong though.
@PB. No one doubles up. Bangladesh come in July, so while not confirmed, I'd suspect Darwin/Nth QLD to get a long-awaited return to test cricket.
Judging by when the teams are here, I'd suggest this is whats happening.
India1st test @ Gabba
2nd test (possible D/N depending on BCCI) @ Adelaide Oval
3rd test @ Optus Stadium
4th test @ MCG
SL1st test @ SCG
2n test @ Manuka
Will be the first time I can think of that the Boxing Day & NY's test are against different opponents.
Quote from: GoLions on March 28, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
Quote from: crowls on March 28, 2018, 09:41:08 PM
yep good time for a holiday. is it only test or all forms of cricket?
Can play Grade cricket, nothing higher I believe
anybody know if they still get paid? ;D ;D ;D ;D
i thought six months would be appropriate. oh well 12 it is. perhaps channel nine can make dw permanent on sunday sport sow with his missus.
12 months?!
ACB have now dragged this story out for the next year, instead of facing up and getting on with it.
I personally felt missing the last SA test and having their captaincy stripped would have sent the message across, and even then I thought I was being harsh.
So Khawaja and SMarsh are our best test batsmen for the next 12 months? Farrrk.
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 28, 2018, 09:51:49 PM
I personally felt missing the last SA test and having their captaincy stripped would have sent the message across, and even then I thought I was being harsh.
So Khawaja and SMarsh are our best test batsmen for the next 12 months? Farrrk.
For the moment anyway, we all know how quickly things can change.
The one positive I get from this is that this is, if CA uses their heads properly, the perfect time to groom some of the younger guys coming through. Not entirely thrilled at Burns selection, would've much-preferred Head on the plane. I may be extremely biased, but he is our future captain, and this is
the perfect time to get him involved in the setup. I have a feeling we may see him in Aus whites very quickly.
Quote from: Koop on March 28, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 28, 2018, 09:51:49 PM
I personally felt missing the last SA test and having their captaincy stripped would have sent the message across, and even then I thought I was being harsh.
So Khawaja and SMarsh are our best test batsmen for the next 12 months? Farrrk.
For the moment anyway, we all know how quickly things can change.
The one positive I get from this is that this is, if CA uses their heads properly, the perfect time to groom some of the younger guys coming through. Not entirely thrilled at Burns selection, would've much-preferred Head on the plane. I may be extremely biased, but he is our future captain, and this is the perfect time to get him involved in the setup. I have a feeling we may see him in Aus whites very quickly.
Spot on Koop, 2 years from now we will be reaping the benefit of blooding some younguns.
Tim Paine must think he is in Alice in Wonderland. 12 months ago not keeping for Tassie now he is Aussie captain for the forseeable future.
Anyone think that they'll let Smith+Warner appeal and get their suspensions down to 6 months?
Quote from: Koop on March 28, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 28, 2018, 09:51:49 PM
I personally felt missing the last SA test and having their captaincy stripped would have sent the message across, and even then I thought I was being harsh.
So Khawaja and SMarsh are our best test batsmen for the next 12 months? Farrrk.
For the moment anyway, we all know how quickly things can change.
The one positive I get from this is that this is, if CA uses their heads properly, the perfect time to groom some of the younger guys coming through. Not entirely thrilled at Burns selection, would've much-preferred Head on the plane. I may be extremely biased, but he is our future captain, and this is the perfect time to get him involved in the setup. I have a feeling we may see him in Aus whites very quickly.
Suspect Burns selection may be temporary as if form warrants Renshaw/Bancroft opening partnership may be the future. Burns/Renshaw is Qlds opening pair as well. Would have liked to see Head rather than Maxwell as well.
Good to finally hear from Boof and his prepared statements. Glad he had the guts to come out and show us all that he is an arrogant, selfish pr1ck.
Quote from: Levi434 on March 29, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Good to finally hear from Boof and his prepared statements. Glad he had the guts to come out and show us all that he is an arrogant, selfish pr1ck.
This was a perfect time to make Justin Langer coach , opportunity missed.
Quote from: Koop on March 28, 2018, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on March 28, 2018, 08:42:59 PM
Wow is there 8 matches in Aus this summer? Who's getting a double up?
Quick correction Levi fairly sure it's two tests in Zimbabwe, could be wrong though.
@PB. No one doubles up. Bangladesh come in July, so while not confirmed, I'd suspect Darwin/Nth QLD to get a long-awaited return to test cricket.
Judging by when the teams are here, I'd suggest this is whats happening.
India
1st test @ Gabba
2nd test (possible D/N depending on BCCI) @ Adelaide Oval
3rd test @ Optus Stadium
4th test @ MCG
SL
1st test @ SCG
2n test @ Manuka
Will be the first time I can think of that the Boxing Day & NY's test are against different opponents.
Pretty sure the Bangladesh July test series is still pending and unlikely to go head based on some media reports I read a while back. But wouldn't test cricket be great in July!
On a different note, let's all be happy for Tim Paine! One of cricket's genuinely nice guys, and thoroughly deserves the test captaincy (even without the events of the last week).
That Smith presser is a must watch.
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 29, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
That Smith presser is a must watch.
Agreed. I'm very proud of Steve Smith's press conference. Don't think he could have handled it better.
Bancroft much the same. Spoke well. Said some really good things.
Lehmann I'm not ready to forgive just yet. But I was happy with his press conference despite him swearing.
Warner I was happy with the way he handled it. A lot will be read into it but if anyone accuses him of hiding behind his family then shame on them.
Quote from: Levi434 on March 30, 2018, 12:40:02 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on March 29, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
That Smith presser is a must watch.
Agreed. I'm very proud of Steve Smith's press conference. Don't think he could have handled it better.
Bancroft much the same. Spoke well. Said some really good things.
Lehmann I'm not ready to forgive just yet. But I was happy with his press conference despite him swearing.
Warner I was happy with the way he handled it. A lot will be read into it but if anyone accuses him of hiding behind his family then shame on them.
You can't forgive Lehmann, but Warner is okay in your eyes?
Ultimately, it was under Smith's watch as he mentioned but Warner being second in command and coming up with & training Bancroft leaves him with the greater influence of what occurred.
https://www.playersvoice.com.au/mickey-arthur-truth-about-aussie-cricket-culture/#mgurWPbc5Ve1USOt.97
Brilliant article from Mickey Arthur, absolutely a must-read.
Quote from: Koop on March 30, 2018, 03:44:44 PM
https://www.playersvoice.com.au/mickey-arthur-truth-about-aussie-cricket-culture/#mgurWPbc5Ve1USOt.97 (https://www.playersvoice.com.au/mickey-arthur-truth-about-aussie-cricket-culture/#mgurWPbc5Ve1USOt.97)
Brilliant article from Mickey Arthur, absolutely a must-read.
Spot on, culture does not eventuate or change over night. Australia has been going down this path for a while. Also well done to Steve Smith at his presser. Hope he copes with the time out ok.
Well and truly time for boof to move on. Also time for CA to have a change of leadership, they have stood by and watched this happen under there noses.
What did we think of Warner's presser?
I was very happy with what he said. I'm glad he didn't throw anyone under the bus when he probably could. I thought the questions were quite unfair and they were very hostile towards him. Regardless of what he said he would be getting crucified by the media so this is the best of the scenarios.
Alright time to revamp the team. I like these 2 as a basis.
1. Matt Renshaw
2. Travis Head
3. Hilton Cartwright
4. Peter Handscomb
5. Glenn Maxwell
6. Tim Paine
7. Pat Cummins
8. Mitchell Starc
9. James Pattinson
10. Nathan Lyon
11. Josh Hazlewood
1. Matt Renshaw
2. Travis Head
3. Hilton Cartwright
4. Peter Handscomb
5. Glenn Maxwell
6. Marcus Stionis
7. Tim Paine
8. Pat Cummins
9. Mitchell Starc
10. Nathan Lyon
11. Josh Hazlewood
What do we think? Ideally I think Australia need to dominate with their bowling as it doesn't seem like it'll happen with their batting. I'm a fan of playing 5 bowlers, but it could be too much.
I don't think Mitch Marsh should be dropped. Nor is Head an opening batsman in the long form. There is a serious gap in the openers position so I think the next tests will still be Renshaw and Burns, but Bancroft will return to the side, maybe Dan Hughes is a bolter to keep the NSW quota up.
Actually, this will make a good competition for us to run on here. Pick the fist XI for the first India test :P
Mitch Marsh will stay, Cartwright and Stoinis have been poor in the long form this season
Nic Maddinson to get a recall
1. Matt Renshaw
2. Daniel Hughes
3. Travis Head
4. Ash Turner
5. Mitch Marsh
6. Tim Paine (c)
7. Alex Carey (wk)
8. Mitchell Starc
9. Pat Cummins
10. Jhye Richardson
11. Nathan Lyon
I just can't shake this feelign that one of the fast bowling cartel won't be there to start next summer, whether through injury, mental reasons or just a huge form slump, could be entirely wrong though.
Im also predicting a significant shift towards WA/QLD players along with the NSW players in the team. I know this already exists, but it'll be even more apparent with Langer in charge and Chappell still pulling the NPS strings.
Quote from: Levi434 on March 28, 2018, 08:40:44 PM
Since no one cares about ODIs and T20's here are the Test matches Smith+Warner will miss if this 12 month ban is true.
1 match Away to Zimbabwe
2 matches Home VS Bangladesh
4 matches Home VS India
2 matches Home VS Sri Lanka
3 matches Away to Pakistan
12 total matches. I would be happy with a 4-8 record from those without Smith and Warner. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia only won 2 or 3 here.
Quote from: Koop on March 28, 2018, 09:45:23 PM
@PB. No one doubles up. Bangladesh come in July, so while not confirmed, I'd suspect Darwin/Nth QLD to get a long-awaited return to test cricket.
Judging by when the teams are here, I'd suggest this is whats happening.
India
1st test @ Gabba
2nd test (possible D/N depending on BCCI) @ Adelaide Oval
3rd test @ Optus Stadium
4th test @ MCG
SL
1st test @ SCG
2n test @ Manuka
Will be the first time I can think of that the Boxing Day & NY's test are against different opponents.
So I'm looking at trying to find as much info on this as possible. This is the document (http://icc-live.s3.amazonaws.com/cms/media/about_docs/547c2a4d42a86-Copy%20of%20Copy%20of%20FTP%202015%20to%202019%20as%20at%20Nov%202014.pdf) I found dated November 2014 of all series scheduled from that moment until the 2019 WC. Doesn't allow for an away Zimbabwe AND a home Bangladesh though, as there's the away series in England in June for ODIs.
Also looking at this, and remembering the words that have been mentioned previously regarding stadium allotments, wouldn't surprise me if this was the home schedule:
India: Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney
Sri Lanka: Brisbane, Camberra
Been words that Brisbane may get relegated because they now have the 5th best stadium in the country, so wouldn't surprise me if they got given a January test against Sri Lanka instead. Also I don't think Sydney will be happy with a Sri Lanka test given they probably have the 2nd most influence on games outside of the MCG.
Edit: and Paine just said the next series for them is Pakistan in the UAE, so god knows what the schedule really is. But something that was written out 4 years ago is unlikely to still be perfect as things change so much, at least a new schedule should be written up soon which will give some clarity for 2019 and beyond
Well our batting definitely looks thin now. I'd expect to see Cartwright back in the team for sure, Stoinis a good chance to play as well.
I think Marnus Labuschagne was the top run scorer in the shield this summer, at an average under 40, so that puts our batting situation into perspective.
Quote from: PowerBug on April 03, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
Edit: and Paine just said the next series for them is Pakistan in the UAE, so god knows what the schedule really is. But something that was written out 4 years ago is unlikely to still be perfect as things change so much, at least a new schedule should be written up soon which will give some clarity for 2019 and beyond
Interesting because dates for England vs Australia ODI’s are set. 13th of June being the first one.
Just want to add this. Zimbabwe got no cricket board to schedule the 1 test and 3 ODI’s. Other than the shocking duckworth Lewis system creating the shock loss to UAE. Them and Scotland were the best 2 teams of the qualifying and neither made it cos ICC are the biggest load of flogs ever like 10 team World Cup get f’ed. All this being said despending on who is available for Zimbabwe (Taylor, Ervine, Williams, Raza) they would be a chance and those 4 could all be best 11 for Aussies atm
Michael flowering Clarke is back booooiiiiis!
Quote from: Levi434 on April 08, 2018, 12:28:05 AM
Michael flowering Clarke is back booooiiiiis!
say whaaat
flower yeah! although I dunno if Australia will actually pick him. be good if they did because he's my all time favourite!
Quote from: Levi434 on April 08, 2018, 12:28:05 AM
Michael flowering Clarke is back booooiiiiis!
Um, what?
Quote from: Purple 77 on April 08, 2018, 12:58:34 PM
Quote from: Levi434 on April 08, 2018, 12:28:05 AM
Michael flowering Clarke is back booooiiiiis!
Um, what?
Probably behind the firewall but try and paste link in browser
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/michael-clarke-cricket-comeback-i-would-do-anything-to-help-the-australian-cricket-team/news-story/0062518b8028cbeefa2e2a3e9befda5e?utm_source=The%20Courier%20Mail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial
Couple of Extracts if you can not.
After two years in retirement, and with Australian skipper Steve Smith, opening batsman David Warner and young gun Cameron Bancroft all serving suspensions, Clarke is offering his services free.
“I would do anything to help the Australian cricket team,†he said.
Clarke, who left for India on Friday for his IPL broadcasting commitments, has SMSed his offer to Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland but is still waiting for a reply.
It is understood he will do net practice while on the subcontinent in case the call comes.
"I won’t be batting in the nets in India in preparation for a comeback"
Bit of a media beatup there I think. No way Clarke comes back and plays again.
Quote from: BB67th on April 09, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
Bit of a media beatup there I think. No way Clarke comes back and plays again.
For those of Oldies remember that Bob Simpson came back at age 41 to Captain Australia during the World Sries Cricket war. So really not out of the realms of possibility.
Quote from: Ringo on April 09, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: BB67th on April 09, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
Bit of a media beatup there I think. No way Clarke comes back and plays again.
For those of Oldies remember that Bob Simpson came back at age 41 to Captain Australia during the World Sries Cricket war. So really not out of the realms of possibility.
First thing to come to my mind, despite Clarke's inferior record as captain in Tests sitting around 52%. I'd ideally like to see him come back in an anchor role, potentially as Vice with a younger player such as Handscomb stepping up and taking the reins.
Just pick some young players please don't bring back old flogs ...... I think I will be over cricket if this happens
Quote from: shaker on April 09, 2018, 03:17:20 PM
Just pick some young players please don't bring back old flogs ...... I think I will be over cricket if this happens
Quote from: shaker on April 09, 2018, 03:17:20 PM
Just pick some young players please don't bring back old flogs ...... I think I will be over cricket if this happens
New coach must be Ross....
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 09, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: Ringo on April 09, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: BB67th on April 09, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
Bit of a media beatup there I think. No way Clarke comes back and plays again.
For those of Oldies remember that Bob Simpson came back at age 41 to Captain Australia during the World Sries Cricket war. So really not out of the realms of possibility.
First thing to come to my mind, despite Clarke's inferior record as captain in Tests sitting around 52%. I'd ideally like to see him come back in an anchor role, potentially as Vice with a younger player such as Handscomb stepping up and taking the reins.
You have to remember that in the world series days we lost most of the test team. In this case we have lost 2 players for a year. There are 2 state captains playing in the test side as well.
Bringing Clarke back would be a huge mistake. There's still plenty of cricket experience around the current set up, and it's a good opportunity to give some younger batsmen a chance to play test cricket.
Quote from: BB67th on April 09, 2018, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 09, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: Ringo on April 09, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: BB67th on April 09, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
Bit of a media beatup there I think. No way Clarke comes back and plays again.
For those of Oldies remember that Bob Simpson came back at age 41 to Captain Australia during the World Sries Cricket war. So really not out of the realms of possibility.
First thing to come to my mind, despite Clarke's inferior record as captain in Tests sitting around 52%. I'd ideally like to see him come back in an anchor role, potentially as Vice with a younger player such as Handscomb stepping up and taking the reins.
You have to remember that in the world series days we lost most of the test team. In this case we have lost 2 players for a year. There are 2 state captains playing in the test side as well.
Bringing Clarke back would be a huge mistake. There's still plenty of cricket experience around the current set up, and it's a good opportunity to give some younger batsmen a chance to play test cricket.
Announcing his availability throughthe press doesn't do a lot for the cause, I wouldn't think. Grandstanding.
Quote from: Frankfaust on April 09, 2018, 08:53:53 PM
Quote from: BB67th on April 09, 2018, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 09, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: Ringo on April 09, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: BB67th on April 09, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
Bit of a media beatup there I think. No way Clarke comes back and plays again.
For those of Oldies remember that Bob Simpson came back at age 41 to Captain Australia during the World Sries Cricket war. So really not out of the realms of possibility.
First thing to come to my mind, despite Clarke's inferior record as captain in Tests sitting around 52%. I'd ideally like to see him come back in an anchor role, potentially as Vice with a younger player such as Handscomb stepping up and taking the reins.
You have to remember that in the world series days we lost most of the test team. In this case we have lost 2 players for a year. There are 2 state captains playing in the test side as well.
Bringing Clarke back would be a huge mistake. There's still plenty of cricket experience around the current set up, and it's a good opportunity to give some younger batsmen a chance to play test cricket.
Announcing his availability throughthe press doesn't do a lot for the cause, I wouldn't think. Grandstanding.
I don't know how it was brought up, but my guess is he was being interviewed and he just said it in that interview. just saying he'd like to help
and even if it was all his idea, to just come out and say he'd like to play for Australia, why does that matter? one of our best modern day players wants to come back and help out the young and inexperienced team
I don't see anything wrong with. but I'm a Michael Clarke fan so I guess that puts me in the minority
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-limited-overs-tour-odis-zimbabwe-dates-schedule-confirmed-tri-series-pakistan/2018-04-10
A read of what is to come for Australia. Including one of the more interesting things to be announced tomorrow: "Cricket Australia will announce it's 2018-19 male player contract list tomorrow." I wonder who does and does not get a contract :o
Quote from: PowerBug on April 10, 2018, 10:27:03 PM
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-limited-overs-tour-odis-zimbabwe-dates-schedule-confirmed-tri-series-pakistan/2018-04-10
A read of what is to come for Australia. Including one of the more interesting things to be announced tomorrow: "Cricket Australia will announce it's 2018-19 male player contract list tomorrow." I wonder who does and does not get a contract :o
Bs I couldn’t wait for Zimbabwe to roll the Aussies in ODI’s but both cricket boards are shambles atm
2018-19 Cricket Australia men's contracts: Ashton Agar, Alex Carey, Pat Cummins, Aaron Finch, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Glenn Maxwell, Shaun Marsh, Mitchell Marsh, Tim Paine, Matthew Renshaw, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Billy Stanlake, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Andrew Tye.
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on April 11, 2018, 12:36:45 PM
2018-19 Cricket Australia men's contracts: Ashton Agar, Alex Carey, Pat Cummins, Aaron Finch, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Glenn Maxwell, Shaun Marsh, Mitchell Marsh, Tim Paine, Matthew Renshaw, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, Billy Stanlake, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Andrew Tye.
WA - 6
NSW - 4
SA - 4
VIC - 3
QLD - 2
TAS - 1
Get JL in as coach and the WA takeover is starting to come along nicely ;D ;D ;D
Only problem is Stanlake is officially in Qld squad so 3 fro the Shield Champions. ;) ;)
Quote from: Ringo on April 11, 2018, 01:29:29 PM
Only problem is Stanlake is officially in Qld squad so 3 fro the Shield Champions. ;) ;)
The important things is NSW is not top of that list!
Quote from: Gigantor on April 11, 2018, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on April 11, 2018, 01:29:29 PM
Only problem is Stanlake is officially in Qld squad so 3 fro the Shield Champions. ;) ;)
The important things is NSW is not top of that list!
I never got that. why does it matter where they've come from. they're playing for Australia now
not having a go at you or anything, I remember when I was a kid my old man would always go on about it. I just never understood it
I wouldn't care if the whole Aussie side was made up of 11 players from one state. they're obviously good enough and they're playing for Australia now