With the release of the SC 2018 Team Picker it's now clear (to me) that ruck coverage is going to be a problem this year as opposed to previous years. I've always started the season with three playing ruckmen, either at R1/R2/R3 or R1/R2 with R3 DPP linked to FWD DPP to donut-proof my team. With Ryder & Nank losing DPP status the only worthwhile FWD/RUCK DPP options are gone (IMO). Also, I can't see any likely breakout rookie Rucks worth selecting at R3 (ala Preuss, Darcy, Witts from 2017).
I'm so angry that the folks at SC have decided Rory Lobb is not a ruck, WTF are they smoking? My plan had been to have Lobb as a FWD/RUCK DPP link to a tactical donut ruck DPP.
Has anyone else given the matter consideration? What's your plan? Kurt Tippett (yikes)???
Tim English at R3
Oscar McInerny will be Brissies #1 ruck next year apparently
But yeh we're just going to have to hope a rookie steps in to give us something at R3
Maybe an overkill but at the moment have English at R3 and Hayes at F8 both FR that can interchange. But will probably change anyway.
Had initially thought of playing Roughead at R2 with English R3 but decided too risky.
Also thinking of McInerney at R3 with Stef R1.
Gotta go Sauce and Grundy since they're the most likely to play 22.
Quote from: meow meow on December 09, 2017, 07:56:41 PM
Gotta go Sauce and Grundy since they're the most likely to play 22.
Sounds like Grundy could spend a bit more time fwd next year. Might hurt his scoring a bit
Quote from: meow meow on December 09, 2017, 07:56:41 PM
Gotta go Sauce and Grundy since they're the most likely to play 22.
I don't know mate, if the Pies persist in playing Cox (who they re-signed, plus they re-signed Buckley who seems to favour Cox, plus Jesse White is gone, plus they didn't recruit any other KP Fwd) I think Grundy's scoring potential with be hampered.
Bucks has come out and said they will play Cox more this year. Last season Grundy averaged 81.7 with Cox in the team over 7 games and averaged 105.6 when Cox wasn't playing. Big red flag for me.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 09, 2017, 02:31:51 PM
Tim English at R3
Not sold on Tim English's prospects, 2 games last year @ 33 & 37 points. Behind Jordan Roughead, Tom Campbell and potentially Jackson Trengove in line for ruck duties, plus I can't see why the Doggies would be in a hurry to throw a 20 year old, 205cm / 87kg stick insect into the ruck against the big units from opposing clubs, risking injury.
Ryder and Gawn for me at this early stage and will see what happens with R/3 closer to the season
Quote from: DCAK on December 10, 2017, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 09, 2017, 02:31:51 PM
Tim English at R3
Not sold on Tim English's prospects, 2 games last year @ 33 & 37 points. Behind Jordan Roughead, Tom Campbell and potentially Jackson Trengove in line for ruck duties, plus I can't see why the Doggies would be in a hurry to throw a 20 year old, 205cm / 87kg stick insect into the ruck against the big units from opposing clubs, risking injury.
Yeah I think I posted that without giving it much thought
The reality is we have no fwd/rucks who are worth starting, so we need to adjust our strategy and be prepared to use trades on our starting rucks if need be
Fingers crossed a rookie option pops up, but if it doesn't then it's just straight up YOLO with Gawn and NN
Quote from: shaker on December 10, 2017, 02:40:32 PM
Ryder and Gawn for me at this early stage and will see what happens with R/3 closer to the season
Yeah I'm cooling on NicNat at the moment with the complete lack of ruck coverage. There is no way he is playing 22 with Lycett and Vardy available to give him a rest
Quote from: Gigantor on December 10, 2017, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: shaker on December 10, 2017, 02:40:32 PM
Ryder and Gawn for me at this early stage and will see what happens with R/3 closer to the season
Yeah I'm cooling on NicNat at the moment with the complete lack of ruck coverage. There is no way he is playing 22 with Lycett and Vardy available to give him a rest
Nic Nat always seems to spend a lot of time on the bench and coming off a knee reco can only see that being increased in the early part of the season that is my reason for not starting him ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 10, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: DCAK on December 10, 2017, 09:03:22 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 09, 2017, 02:31:51 PM
Tim English at R3
Not sold on Tim English's prospects, 2 games last year @ 33 & 37 points. Behind Jordan Roughead, Tom Campbell and potentially Jackson Trengove in line for ruck duties, plus I can't see why the Doggies would be in a hurry to throw a 20 year old, 205cm / 87kg stick insect into the ruck against the big units from opposing clubs, risking injury.
Yeah I think I posted that without giving it much thought
The reality is we have no fwd/rucks who are worth starting, so we need to adjust our strategy and be prepared to use trades on our starting rucks if need be
Fingers crossed a rookie option pops up, but if it doesn't then it's just straight up YOLO with Gawn and NN
Hahaha YOLO! That's gold!
Yeah Nic Nat spends a lot of time on the bench think it will increase coming off a knee reco plus Vardy seems to be over his injuries
Would appreciate feedback from the Eagles followers on their thoughts about how NicNat will be used this year. Especially in regard to being rested or low TOG affecting his SC scoring averages and totals. For a set and forget ruck the aim is low of 2100 total and 2400-2500 as best case.
2017 R/F Patrick Ryder 21 556,500 2164 103 556,600
2017 Only four rucks scored 2100+, Kruze, Ryder, Martin Jacobs and McEvoy(2096). Kruze and Ryder 21 games, the other 3 22 games.
2016 only 2 rucks over 2100: -Gawn 2600 and Goldstein 2264.
Therefore NicNat either needs to average 20gms @ 110 or 22 @ 95 as worse case scenario. Not sure he will do this. NN has 4 seasons of max 20 games in past 7 years.
Of the alternatives Martin is risk because of A Smith,
Goldstein did 4 of 5 years years over 2200 until last year at 21 games a year. However he has Preuss risk.
Sauce has 4 from 6 over 2100 in past 6 years and least injury prone.
Summary: all come with risk through being managed or injured. So NicNat still gets the gig as best value starting option. Jacobs probably the lowest risk option. Or if Kruze drops in price hope it happens when NicNat goes down.
Nice crowls. I haven't had a chance to look at the ruck situation yet. First thought was Nic Nat, but coming back from injuries it is a bit of a risk. Without cover this is something im not sure I want to do.
Ryder looks really promising, but I don't like the early bye situation, again that might end up being a godsend over the actual byes.
Quote from: crowls on December 11, 2017, 04:49:42 PM
Yeah Nic Nat spends a lot of time on the bench think it will increase coming off a knee reco plus Vardy seems to be over his injuries
Would appreciate feedback from the Eagles followers on their thoughts about how NicNat will be used this year. Especially in regard to being rested or low TOG affecting his SC scoring averages and totals.
Nic Nat has always had a relatively low TOG, he's a burst player which is why he never rucks alone. One of Vardy and Lycett will always play but I'm not worried about his scoring when he's playing, even with a second ruck, its the resting that has me concerned.
If Lycett can get back to his best WC will have no issue in giving Nic Nat a rest and have both Lycett and Vardy playing.
The good news is WC play 7/11 in Perth before the byes so there is a chance he won't get a rest early on.
Rd 5 maybe if he starts a bit sore but if that happens the alarm bells would be well and truly sounding so trade him out haha
Rd 13 after the bye is in Syd so that's a danger game plus 13 to 14 is a 6 day break.
Another thing to consider is if WC have a shower year he could get bulk resting in the last part of the year.
Looking at the fixture I would say any away game linked to a 6 day break would be the highest risk of resting
(https://i.imgur.com/GNped8V.jpg)
Wilbur is teaching Goldy how to play football properly, so I think you should invest in that. Be prepared for A LOT of FA's and possibly a suspension though.
Does not look good for NicNat. 2 possible rests and no ruck coverage options unless you spend bucks on r3. Pretty much puts him out of contention for me. Ryder and/or Sauce which means finding the cash. shower
Quote from: crowls on December 11, 2017, 08:35:46 PM
Does not look good for NicNat. 2 possible rests and no ruck coverage options unless you spend bucks on r3. Pretty much puts him out of contention for me. Ryder and/or Sauce which means finding the cash. shower
Yes but Ryder has the early bye, which without cover is effectively him being rested :o
Quote from: Gigantor on December 11, 2017, 09:16:12 PM
Quote from: crowls on December 11, 2017, 08:35:46 PM
Does not look good for NicNat. 2 possible rests and no ruck coverage options unless you spend bucks on r3. Pretty much puts him out of contention for me. Ryder and/or Sauce which means finding the cash. shower
Yes but Ryder has the early bye, which without cover is effectively him being rested :o
took another look. both the 6 day rests are for WA games so he will probably play. if he makes it to r11 or his bye ryder can be traded in. preference is for no trades though.
I think you guys are over reacting a bit regarding NN
Yeah he might not be the safest pick, but the upside and that price is well worth it
Has plenty of years playing 20 games too
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 11, 2017, 11:19:03 PM
I think you guys are over reacting a bit regarding NN
Yeah he might not be the safest pick, but the upside and that price is well worth it
Has plenty of years playing 20 games too
Yeah I feel like it is a pretty safe choice to start Nic Nat.
Priced at $466k which is an implied price of 85
Likely average of 105. Implied Price for a 105 is $588k.
At best you make 80-100k if he is rested.
He is coming off a year off and no one can be certain he will step straight back in.
• Best case scenario is he plays 22 games, is a premium all year and averages over 105. Almost as likely that I win the lotto.
• Most likely scenario is he plays 20 games averaging 105 and is rested for 2 games. Given there is NO adequate cover (Yet) this drops that ruck position average to 95-96. You could trade here, but your not making enough cash IMO to make that a worthwhile option and you do not know if this will happen before the cash rises.
• Worse case is he gets injured and you are forced into a trade.
Also, He has never been a consistent scorer, yes he has a high ceiling, but in a position that’s unlikely to have cover it’s not a great thing.
Since 2011
-80 = 29.52%
80-89 = 6.67%
90-99 = 6.67%
100-109 = 22.86%
110+ = 34.28%
The question for me is who is any better than NN.
As much as I want to take the risk with Goldy, im a firm believer that Preuess will continue to get opportunities.
Ryder looks a good option, and will need to look into the impact of the early bye. Im leaning towards him though.
Quote from: LordSneeze on December 12, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
Priced at $466k which is an implied price of 85
Likely average of 105. Implied Price for a 105 is $588k.
At best you make 80-100k if he is rested.
He is coming off a year off and no one can be certain he will step straight back in.
• Best case scenario is he plays 22 games, is a premium all year and averages over 105. Almost as likely that I win the lotto.
• Most likely scenario is he plays 20 games averaging 105 and is rested for 2 games. Given there is NO adequate cover (Yet) this drops that ruck position average to 95-96. You could trade here, but your not making enough cash IMO to make that a worthwhile option and you do not know if this will happen before the cash rises.
• Worse case is he gets injured and you are forced into a trade.
Also, He has never been a consistent scorer, yes he has a high ceiling, but in a position that’s unlikely to have cover it’s not a great thing.
Since 2011
-80 = 29.52%
80-89 = 6.67%
90-99 = 6.67%
100-109 = 22.86%
110+ = 34.28%
The question for me is who is any better than NN.
As much as I want to take the risk with Goldy, im a firm believer that Preuess will continue to get opportunities.
Ryder looks a good option, and will need to look into the impact of the early bye. Im leaning towards him though.
Good write up LS there is no doubting NN has been a good SC scorer in the past I'm just concerned they will handle him with kid gloves especially in the early part of the season I don't want a string of 70-80 scores early on but lets see what happens in the pre season comp, as for Ryder I'm sold on him it's just his early bye the problem so just hoping I can afford a cheaper R/3 to cover so it's just a waiting game
Excellent analysis LS. Definitely looks like a choice between Ryder or Jacobs atm if going set and forget. Alternative strategy is NicNat until Ryder bye then trade up. Hope NN is not rested or injured and scores well enough to generate the cash for the trade. Effectively only start NN if you need the cash to get another Prem into Mids for 6 keepers.
Grundy is out due to Cox, Goldy due to Preuss. Nank would need to improve again on last year and I do not see it at this time. Witts would need to improve. Stef has Archie to deal with. Very limited options from where I sit.
Option 1. NicNat - trade up to Ryder at R10.
Opton 2. Ryder.
Option 3. Jacobs.
Think Darcy would be a good option if Sandi goes down. Pick him up cheap and be happy with 90+ average. Still very young though and too expensive to sit on the bench.
This has just got more interesting and worth following over the next hours or so.
TimGossage
Unconfirmed @WestCoastEagles star Nic Naitanui suffered setback at training yesterday. Unsure of seriousness but he was due to step up training with main group this week. @TenNewsPerth chasing more details
Quote from: Ringo on December 13, 2017, 11:48:52 AM
This has just got more interesting and worth following over the next hours or so.
TimGossage
Wowee :o
Well that throws a spanner in the works :o
Quote from: Money Shot on December 13, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
Well that throws a spanner in the works :o
Only for those that were actually wanting to start him. No impact for those that don't and probably confirms in the minds another reason not too.
Quote from: LordSneeze on December 13, 2017, 12:32:40 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on December 13, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
Well that throws a spanner in the works :o
Only for those that were actually wanting to start him. No impact for those that don't and probably confirms in the minds another reason not too.
is that a wry ;D i see there poking out LS
Olango has the C written all over him.
Quote from: enzedder on December 18, 2017, 03:26:48 PM
Olango has the C written all over him.
Have got that in mind with the Eagles having 12 Sunday Games.
At the moment going with Gawn and Jacobs in the absence of R/F. Will mean a trade if LTI or possible donut if only for a week or two.
Quote from: Ringo on December 18, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: enzedder on December 18, 2017, 03:26:48 PM
Olango has the C written all over him.
Have got that in mind with the Eagles having 12 Sunday Games.
At the moment going with Gawn and Jacobs in the absence of R/F. Will mean a trade if LTI or possible donut if only for a week or two.
only 17k more for Jacobs. ;Hard not to like NN as a starter though the stats favor Jacobs scoring more over the season. Think Gawn/Jacobs a wise choice Ringo.
Also can’t have Ryder due to bye with no replacement, thereby wasting a trade
Hmm interesting thread. I'm starting NN and Gawn with Olango on the pine.
Have any of you guys changed ya minds about what you previously posted? :)
Quote from: Miss Pies on March 21, 2018, 03:26:56 PM
Hmm interesting thread. I'm starting NN and Gawn with Olango on the pine.
Have any of you guys changed ya minds about what you previously posted? :)
Not me, I locked in Goldstien early after investigating it and haven't wavered from that since.
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 21, 2018, 03:41:01 PM
Quote from: Miss Pies on March 21, 2018, 03:26:56 PM
Hmm interesting thread. I'm starting NN and Gawn with Olango on the pine.
Have any of you guys changed ya minds about what you previously posted? :)
Not me, I locked in Goldstien early after investigating it and haven't wavered from that since.
After further consideration as to how much game time Nic Nat would get I ended up going with Goldy and Gawn. Goldy only got 105 but on half time he was sitting at 85. That wet weather dampened things a little. He should come good next game :)