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The Girls Won their GF but the Boys lost theirs against the Tigs! So now what?

Jake Leaver wants to go to Melbourne for a stack of cash, Charlie Cameron wants to go to Lions probably because he's shy and doesn't like the spotlight here. Scotty Thompson has retired

Should Cameron and Leaver go, Adelaide will gain at least two top 20 draft picks and be left with three picks between 10 and 20 in the AND.

Will Adelaide then try and poach contracted players Bryce Gibbs and/or Aaron Francis with these new high draft picks at their disposal, or try get Sam Mayes from the Lions? Should they offer Steve Motlop a contract?

Also. Are the talented untried Tom Doedee, Harry Dear, Harrison Wigg and Reilly O'Brien happy to wait for opportunities much longer?

What of Kyle Cheney, ANdy Otten, Dave Mackay, Curly Hampton, Paul Seedsman, Troy Menzel, Dean Gore, Alex Keith? A few of these can play top level footy but, is this group happy to be role players not necessarily in the best 22?

Does the Texan hand the Captaincy to Sloan? :o

If Gibbs is keen to come back and Carlton are reasonable with their demands I'd deal. Personally I think pick 10 alone would be fair value to get that done.

Lever for pick 10 and 27 will be close to where it finishes, although I could see Crows holding firm and maybe exchanging some picks where they upgrade up the ladder.

Cameron is interesting, I think Brisbane will offer pick 18, but I would hold Charlie to his contract until next year unless they offer up pick 12. Charlie can still play an important role in 2018 and I doubt he will lose much value by the end of next year. On the flip side, if we get Motlop, I'd let Charlie go for pick 18 in order to free up salary space.

Francis isn't a priority for me, I think Doedee will step up next year and from all accounts has been very impressive in the SANFL. The club had big wraps on him and I think he could become a regular in our best 22. So since Francis and Doedee are quite similar, it might be worth holding onto some of our draft picks and look at bringing in a key position forward.

The one giving me the most sleepless nights is Sloane as a free agent for next year. If Justin Reid flowers this up, I don't think I will ever be able to forgive the club, it would destroy the club and I imagine many members will tear up their memberships. Speaking of Reid, he's on thin ice, botched the Lever deal at the start of the year, paid way overs to Jenkins and McGovern, essentially traded Dangerfield for only pick 9, he has got a lot of redeeming to do.  >:(

Don't know about the rest but making Sloane Captain would be a smart move you can't afford to lose him then sign him up , you know that many teams are going to come for him next year and offer him big bucks ..... watch this space

Quote from: lachie_001 on October 07, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
essentially traded Dangerfield for only pick 9, he has got a lot of redeeming to do.  >:(

Considering he was a free agent they did well to get something better than the compo pick they would have received if Geelong weren't nice and agreed to trade rather than just offer a contract to...

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Quote from: lachie_001 on October 07, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
essentially traded Dangerfield for only pick 9, he has got a lot of redeeming to do.  >:(

Considering he was a free agent they did well to get something better than the compo pick they would have received if Geelong weren't nice and agreed to trade rather than just offer a contract to...

They had to trade as crows matched the offer

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2017, 10:33:13 AM

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Quote from: lachie_001 on October 07, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
essentially traded Dangerfield for only pick 9, he has got a lot of redeeming to do.  >:(

Considering he was a free agent they did well to get something better than the compo pick they would have received if Geelong weren't nice and agreed to trade rather than just offer a contract to...

They had to trade as crows matched the offer

Nah Crows said they would match the offer if they did it, but Geelong never actually offered him anything for the Crows to match before the trade was made.
Plus if Crows did match the offer Danger wouldn't have accepted, walked out of the club and gone into the draft.

There goes the talk of Menzel and Gore turning good. Both been cut.

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Quote from: lachie_001 on October 07, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
essentially traded Dangerfield for only pick 9, he has got a lot of redeeming to do.  >:(

Considering he was a free agent they did well to get something better than the compo pick they would have received if Geelong weren't nice and agreed to trade rather than just offer a contract to...

They had to trade as crows matched the offer

Nah Crows said they would match the offer if they did it, but Geelong never actually offered him anything for the Crows to match before the trade was made.
Plus if Crows did match the offer Danger wouldn't have accepted, walked out of the club and gone into the draft.

Yeah Danger wouldn't have accepted, but it still would have gone to a trade, he would've only gone to the draft if a trade couldn't be done.

Tex has been voted the BEST captain in the AFL for two years straight, and people think we should take it away from him?

Of course he was awful on Grand Final day, and we should expect better, but this is way too reactionary.

Sloane is most definitely captain material but if the captaincy is the only thing that would make him stay, I don't want him, that's not team first.

What do you guys think of Harrison Wigg - been on the list for a while, but can't get a game?

I dont want to dwell on the Lever situation too much but I want to know what the hell is going on behind closed doors. I feel a lot of the trash talk is coming from his side of the fence and Kane Cornes is not helping matters with his BS reporting.

I very disappointed with how things are playing out in the media and if something has happened for our club to act this way the public almost HAS to know about it so we can regain some of the respect we had from non supporters.

Other than that, I love watching Charlie play. When he tucks that ball under his arm you know he is away. How good is it!? So if hes gone, we need something to replace that. No one in the team has that X factor and we need that to get a clean inside 50 or opportune shot at goal.

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Quote from: lachie_001 on October 07, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
essentially traded Dangerfield for only pick 9, he has got a lot of redeeming to do.  >:(

Considering he was a free agent they did well to get something better than the compo pick they would have received if Geelong weren't nice and agreed to trade rather than just offer a contract to...

They had to trade as crows matched the offer

Nah Crows said they would match the offer if they did it, but Geelong never actually offered him anything for the Crows to match before the trade was made.
Plus if Crows did match the offer Danger wouldn't have accepted, walked out of the club and gone into the draft.

Yeah Danger wouldn't have accepted, but it still would have gone to a trade, he would've only gone to the draft if a trade couldn't be done.

Yeah I know, which is why I was saying they did well to get pick 9 for him, when in reality could have very easily lost him for nothing.

I Swear I thought the No. 23 running and snapping on his lest last week was Andrew McLeod :o  But no it was Charlie

Im ok with Charlie going if we receive a top draft pick, rookie drafted player traded for a top 20 pick? Good business. What the frog is wrong with Troy Menzel? All the talent in the world as a teenager ::)

Wiggy looks like he can play, hopefully Pike can start giving opportunities to players like Wigg, Doedee, Dear, O'Brien and Gallucci. I don't want to see Harrison Wigg put in a trade request because of lack of opportunities! God knows it's hard enough to keep spoilt Victorians, we don't want to start pushing talented locals interstate ::)

Sounds like Motlop could be the one that replaces Charlie

Not stirring $hit, and i realise people on Fanfooty are 10 times more footy knowledgeable than people on Bigfooty, but why in mid to late September, when Port were going to get Motlop, it was a stupid trade to do. Now, all of a sudden the Crows are after him, he's a great replacement for CC ?

Quote from: Dudge on October 09, 2017, 07:27:25 PM
Not stirring $hit, and i realise people on Fanfooty are 10 times more footy knowledgeable than people on Bigfooty, but why in mid to late September, when Port were going to get Motlop, it was a stupid trade to do. Now, all of a sudden the Crows are after him, he's a great replacement for CC ?

Port already have the Motlop mould I'd think, Cameron leaving would restrict the Crows in a big way.

Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

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Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

lol

Quote from: Trindacut on October 11, 2017, 12:06:43 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2017, 12:56:22 AM

Quote from: Trindacut on October 11, 2017, 12:06:43 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that in the last few years there has been a lot of quality traffic exiting Adelaide, with Sloane no doubt going to give you a headache next year. And there are only a few players nominating Adelaide recently, even in the wake of a GF appearance.

If Tex wants to put himself out there with comments about choosing money over success (re: Lever), on the back of only their first GF appearance in 18 years, which they got flogged in, then he has no choice but to be held to scrutiny over those comments. And it's a one way street for him, don't see him shower talking players that have traded in to Adelaide. And I wouldn't write Melbourne off of a finals tilt next year, they just traded in a quality backman.

If success is measured by GF losses, then Zac Dawson should be a priority for Adelaide this coming draft.

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Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2017, 12:56:22 AM

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Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that in the last few years there has been a lot of quality traffic exiting Adelaide, with Sloane no doubt going to give you a headache next year. And there are only a few players nominating Adelaide recently, even in the wake of a GF appearance.

If Tex wants to put himself out there with comments about choosing money over success (re: Lever), on the back of only their first GF appearance in 18 years, which they got flogged in, then he has no choice but to be held to scrutiny over those comments. And it's a one way street for him, don't see him shower talking players that have traded in to Adelaide. And I wouldn't write Melbourne off of a finals tilt next year, they just traded in a quality backman.

If success is measured by GF losses, then Zac Dawson should be a priority for Adelaide this coming draft.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Quote from: Trindacut on October 12, 2017, 02:16:27 PM

Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2017, 12:56:22 AM

Quote from: Trindacut on October 11, 2017, 12:06:43 AM

Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that in the last few years there has been a lot of quality traffic exiting Adelaide, with Sloane no doubt going to give you a headache next year. And there are only a few players nominating Adelaide recently, even in the wake of a GF appearance.

If Tex wants to put himself out there with comments about choosing money over success (re: Lever), on the back of only their first GF appearance in 18 years, which they got flogged in, then he has no choice but to be held to scrutiny over those comments. And it's a one way street for him, don't see him shower talking players that have traded in to Adelaide. And I wouldn't write Melbourne off of a finals tilt next year, they just traded in a quality backman.

If success is measured by GF losses, then Zac Dawson should be a priority for Adelaide this coming draft.

Lol, you think Adelaide supporters don’t know the quality of players we’ve lost? All the vic media talk about our club is laughable, they’re running out of story’s and desperate to keep people such as yourself reading. We all know our club is in a strong position and will load up for another flag tilt next year.

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Quote from: Trindacut on October 12, 2017, 02:16:27 PM

Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2017, 12:56:22 AM

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Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that in the last few years there has been a lot of quality traffic exiting Adelaide, with Sloane no doubt going to give you a headache next year. And there are only a few players nominating Adelaide recently, even in the wake of a GF appearance.

If Tex wants to put himself out there with comments about choosing money over success (re: Lever), on the back of only their first GF appearance in 18 years, which they got flogged in, then he has no choice but to be held to scrutiny over those comments. And it's a one way street for him, don't see him shower talking players that have traded in to Adelaide. And I wouldn't write Melbourne off of a finals tilt next year, they just traded in a quality backman.

If success is measured by GF losses, then Zac Dawson should be a priority for Adelaide this coming draft.

Lol, you think Adelaide supporters don’t know the quality of players we’ve lost? All the vic media talk about our club is laughable, they’re running out of story’s and desperate to keep people such as yourself reading. We all know our club is in a strong position and will load up for another flag tilt next year.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

But in all seriousness I pay little attention to the mainstream media on these things, opting to make my own mind up.

The sly smirks and overt cockiness leading up the GF indicates a side led by a bit too much arrogance. Hopefully being humbled like this teaches him a lesson in leadership, but given the pathetic four words he had for Tigers after the win, I rather doubt it.

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Quote from: shaker on October 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that in the last few years there has been a lot of quality traffic exiting Adelaide, with Sloane no doubt going to give you a headache next year. And there are only a few players nominating Adelaide recently, even in the wake of a GF appearance.

If Tex wants to put himself out there with comments about choosing money over success (re: Lever), on the back of only their first GF appearance in 18 years, which they got flogged in, then he has no choice but to be held to scrutiny over those comments. And it's a one way street for him, don't see him shower talking players that have traded in to Adelaide. And I wouldn't write Melbourne off of a finals tilt next year, they just traded in a quality backman.

If success is measured by GF losses, then Zac Dawson should be a priority for Adelaide this coming draft.

Lol, you think Adelaide supporters don’t know the quality of players we’ve lost? All the vic media talk about our club is laughable, they’re running out of story’s and desperate to keep people such as yourself reading. We all know our club is in a strong position and will load up for another flag tilt next year.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

But in all seriousness I pay little attention to the mainstream media on these things, opting to make my own mind up.

The sly smirks and overt cockiness leading up the GF indicates a side led by a bit too much arrogance. Hopefully being humbled like this teaches him a lesson in leadership, but given the pathetic four words he had for Tigers after the win, I rather doubt it.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha

wanna explain how we were 'cocky'? stop coming here to stir shower though and go away, ta.

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Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that in the last few years there has been a lot of quality traffic exiting Adelaide, with Sloane no doubt going to give you a headache next year. And there are only a few players nominating Adelaide recently, even in the wake of a GF appearance.

If Tex wants to put himself out there with comments about choosing money over success (re: Lever), on the back of only their first GF appearance in 18 years, which they got flogged in, then he has no choice but to be held to scrutiny over those comments. And it's a one way street for him, don't see him shower talking players that have traded in to Adelaide. And I wouldn't write Melbourne off of a finals tilt next year, they just traded in a quality backman.

If success is measured by GF losses, then Zac Dawson should be a priority for Adelaide this coming draft.

Lol, you think Adelaide supporters don’t know the quality of players we’ve lost? All the vic media talk about our club is laughable, they’re running out of story’s and desperate to keep people such as yourself reading. We all know our club is in a strong position and will load up for another flag tilt next year.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

But in all seriousness I pay little attention to the mainstream media on these things, opting to make my own mind up.

The sly smirks and overt cockiness leading up the GF indicates a side led by a bit too much arrogance. Hopefully being humbled like this teaches him a lesson in leadership, but given the pathetic four words he had for Tigers after the win, I rather doubt it.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha

wanna explain how we were 'cocky'? stop coming here to stir shower though and go away, ta.

Sure thing mate, happy to explain.

"I pretty much said to him he's choosing money over success." - Tex Walker

“But if he marches into town with his Geelong teammates, there’d be nothing better than beating him and reminding him that perhaps he should have stuck around with us and he could be a Brownlow Medallist and a premiership player.” - Josh Jenkins

"And to Richmond... too good." - Tex Walker

He was certain the Crows would stomp Richmond, and seeing your reaction to their loss I imagine you felt the same way.

Richmond won just as many games in 2017 HA season, and Were just as good in the finals leading up to the GF. No one should have been cocky leading in to that game, but you just had the feeling Adelaide were certain they'd win.

Edit: And tell me to piss off again mate, makes you look like a sore loser just that much more. Should be able to have a civil discussion about whats going on without you one-eyed diehards crying like a child with a stubbed toe. Grow up.

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Walker still banging on about Lever I wonder if he has a pillow with Lever's face on it he punches himself to sleep with :P

It's getting a bit embaressing. Whole place looks like a shambles.

As if you don't release Cameron and Lever and get overs for them now?? They'll just leave next year and Adelaide will get nothing.

Maybe it does to you guys and the Melbourne media, but luckily that doesn't matter one bit. The club is standing firm trying to get the best possible deals, which they have every right to do especially after getting shafted so many times in the past.

The potshots at Tex and the Adelaide Footy Club are getting pretty ridiculous now. He's absolutely the right man for the job and I can't fault anything he has said since the disastrous day we don't talk about. There's nothing we could've done to keep Lever, and Cameron if we don't get the right deal we'll keep. Can't fault how we've acted so far, hopefully we can add Motlop and some elite talent through the draft.

At some point you'll wake up and realize that in the last few years there has been a lot of quality traffic exiting Adelaide, with Sloane no doubt going to give you a headache next year. And there are only a few players nominating Adelaide recently, even in the wake of a GF appearance.

If Tex wants to put himself out there with comments about choosing money over success (re: Lever), on the back of only their first GF appearance in 18 years, which they got flogged in, then he has no choice but to be held to scrutiny over those comments. And it's a one way street for him, don't see him shower talking players that have traded in to Adelaide. And I wouldn't write Melbourne off of a finals tilt next year, they just traded in a quality backman.

If success is measured by GF losses, then Zac Dawson should be a priority for Adelaide this coming draft.

Lol, you think Adelaide supporters don’t know the quality of players we’ve lost? All the vic media talk about our club is laughable, they’re running out of story’s and desperate to keep people such as yourself reading. We all know our club is in a strong position and will load up for another flag tilt next year.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

But in all seriousness I pay little attention to the mainstream media on these things, opting to make my own mind up.

The sly smirks and overt cockiness leading up the GF indicates a side led by a bit too much arrogance. Hopefully being humbled like this teaches him a lesson in leadership, but given the pathetic four words he had for Tigers after the win, I rather doubt it.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha

wanna explain how we were 'cocky'? stop coming here to stir shower though and go away, ta.

Sure thing mate, happy to explain.

"I pretty much said to him he's choosing money over success." - Tex Walker

“But if he marches into town with his Geelong teammates, there’d be nothing better than beating him and reminding him that perhaps he should have stuck around with us and he could be a Brownlow Medallist and a premiership player.” - Josh Jenkins

"And to Richmond... too good." - Tex Walker

He was certain the Crows would stomp Richmond, and seeing your reaction to their loss I imagine you felt the same way.

Richmond won just as many games in 2017 HA season, and Were just as good in the finals leading up to the GF. No one should have been cocky leading in to that game, but you just had the feeling Adelaide were certain they'd win.

1. Is he not allowed to say what he thinks? It's not cocky, it's confidence that his team can have future success.

2. You do realise Patrick and Jenkins are very good mates, don't you? There was no malice, it was just a friendly sledge from one mate to another, play on. Also, key word in that quote is 'COULD'.

3. And you think Richmond weren't expecting to win? You think you're smart by assuming he was thinking we would 'stomp' you, I'd like to see any of you guys criticising him to be in his shoes after a grand final loss.

You're just putting words into everyone's mouth here by saying we thought we were certain to win, get over yourself and please, flower off.

Well either I'm looking at things objectively and am probably right or you're right and there is absolutely no cause for scrutiny or reflection on the failed 2017 premiership campaign.

We'll know early next year I guess.

Quote from: Trindacut on October 12, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
Well either I'm looking at things objectively and am probably right or you're right and there is absolutely no cause for scrutiny or reflection on the failed 2017 premiership campaign.

We'll know early next year I guess.

There's cause for scrutiny and reflection on the way we performed on the day, not about any off field stuff though because the media has tried to make a story out of nothing.

Okay pal, time will tell.

Quote from: Trindacut on October 12, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
Well either I'm looking at things objectively and am probably right or you're right and there is absolutely no cause for scrutiny or reflection on the failed 2017 premiership campaign.

We'll know early next year I guess.

Mate your clearly just trying to stir the pot here. You can’t have an objective outlook on something that’s completely subjective. There’s not textbook on how make post GF speeches, handle players leaving or speak with the media. I for one prefer players with personality and hope to see more of it. Yes Jenkins and Tex let themselves down GF day, but I don’t think JJ’s comments had any effect on his or the teams performance. Tex has every right to be up front with his teammates and be honest with the media. What’s convienient is the fact you’ve left out the part where Tex said he could not fault the commitment and passion Lever played with for his time at the club. There are always two sides to a story, and things are never as good or as bad as they seem. I plan to look forward to next season with plenty of optimism that we aren’t far off the ultimate success.

Quote from: lachie_001 on October 13, 2017, 12:41:03 AM
You can’t have an objective outlook on something that’s completely subjective.

Aahhh yes you can.

If I was stirring the pot I'd be going off the deep end with unreasonable baseless statements. Instead I'm stating my concerns and justifying my point of view with either quotes, results, trades, off-field incidents etc. Not rumor or innuendo, but I can assure you there is plenty of noise around how it all fell apart on GF day that isn't worth voicing here. Whether that is a reflection on the club culture and ethos remains to be seen, Adelaide still won 15 games (along with Richmond and Geelong) and had an otherwise solid year.

You don't have to look far to find a club where it all fell apart in just a couple of months. The doggies are in a shambles.

I'm my own club's harshest critic, and I encourage you to have a hard look inwards too instead screaming down anyone with something bad to say.

Quote from: Trindacut on October 13, 2017, 04:23:12 PM
I'm my own club's harshest critic, and I encourage you to have a hard look inwards too instead screaming down anyone with something bad to say.

It's not just something bad, it's rubbish claims.

Quote from: Trindacut on October 13, 2017, 04:23:12 PM

Quote from: lachie_001 on October 13, 2017, 12:41:03 AM
You can’t have an objective outlook on something that’s completely subjective.

Aahhh yes you can.

If I was stirring the pot I'd be going off the deep end with unreasonable baseless statements. Instead I'm stating my concerns and justifying my point of view with either quotes, results, trades, off-field incidents etc. Not rumor or innuendo, but I can assure you there is plenty of noise around how it all fell apart on GF day that isn't worth voicing here. Whether that is a reflection on the club culture and ethos remains to be seen, Adelaide still won 15 games (along with Richmond and Geelong) and had an otherwise solid year.

You don't have to look far to find a club where it all fell apart in just a couple of months. The doggies are in a shambles.

I'm my own club's harshest critic, and I encourage you to have a hard look inwards too instead screaming down anyone with something bad to say.

You can't argue with crows fan m8

Trindacut, do you have an opinion on the versatility of Andy Otten?

Quote from: Gigantor on October 13, 2017, 09:08:07 PM
Trindacut, do you have an opinion on the versatility of Andy Otten?

*claps*  ;D

Quote from: Gigantor on October 13, 2017, 09:08:07 PM
Trindacut, do you have an opinion on the versatility of Andy Otten?

Lmao. Would probably be able to tell you his wage too - knows everything that's going on inside the club it seems!

http://www.footyology.com.au/critics-of-taylor-walker-are-trying-to-have-it-both-ways/

Great offseason. Oh and..

Quote from: Jay on October 19, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Bryce :-*

Quote from: Jay on October 19, 2017, 06:52:39 PM
Great offseason. Oh and..

Quote from: Jay on October 19, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Bryce :-*

Unsure about great just yet .....  We did lost two finals stars and brought in two old men.   

Where is Jack Trengove? ???

Where is Aaron Francis? ???    ::)  They have doged and moaned about so called "Go home" Players yet, cannot bring in a top 20yr old talent wanting to come home? ???

Lastly, pick 12 = "IMO" Cam Colman-Jones and that would make me ;D

Stoked with every move we made, got very good deals for two players who wanted to leave, I'm very comfortable with the deal for Gibbs, Gibson will be very good depth, and our position for next year's draft is very strong now which is great with a lot of highly rated SA boys.

12, 39, and 77 for this year's draft, hopefully we can pick up Fogarty with 12, 39 potentially used on Jackson Edwards and 77 probably used to upgrade Greenwood. Keath probably upgraded before the season when we place Brodie on the LTI list as well.

Senior list changes:

In: Gibbs, Gibson, Pick 12, Pick 39, Pick 77 (Greenwood)

Out: Thommo, Lever, Wigg, Cameron, Menzel, Gore

That leaves us with 38 (I think) on the senior list, which is the minimum (I think).

This is what I'm thinking our 22 is atm:

Brown, Talia, Doedee
Laird, Hartigan, Kelly
Atkins, Sloane, BCrouch
Gallucci, Walker, Lynch
Betts, Jenkins, McGovern
Jacobs, MCrouch, Gibbs
Douglas, Greenwood, 2 of Knight/Hampton/Seedsman/Milera

I'm very comfortable with Doedee and Gallucci replacing Lever and Cameron; I think where we'll hurt the most is the loss of Brodie cause this team still looks a little slow.

Quote from: tbagrocks on October 19, 2017, 07:31:19 PM
Unsure about great just yet .....  We did lost two finals stars and brought in two old men.   

Where is Jack Trengove? ???

Where is Aaron Francis? ???    ::)  They have doged and moaned about so called "Go home" Players yet, cannot bring in a top 20yr old talent wanting to come home? ???

Lastly, pick 12 = "IMO" Cam Colman-Jones and that would make me ;D

Trengove is slower than my great-grandmother.

I could imagine Essendon were asking for a very high price for Francis so I'm fine with letting him go, we could potentially get him cheaper next year anyway.

Just because they're SA boys doesn't mean they're superstars and we should get them, did you still wanna pick up Toumpas?

Quote from: TomK on October 19, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
Just because they're SA boys doesn't mean they're superstars and we should get them, did you still wanna pick up Toumpas?

After today's dealings you can have him for Pick 2 in the National Draft if you want :)

Quote from: TomK on October 19, 2017, 07:37:38 PM
Stoked with every move we made, got very good deals for two players who wanted to leave, I'm very comfortable with the deal for Gibbs, Gibson will be very good depth, and our position for next year's draft is very strong now which is great with a lot of highly rated SA boys.

12, 39, and 77 for this year's draft, hopefully we can pick up Fogarty with 12, 39 potentially used on Jackson Edwards and 77 probably used to upgrade Greenwood. Keath probably upgraded before the season when we place Brodie on the LTI list as well.

Senior list changes:

In: Gibbs, Gibson, Pick 12, Pick 39, Pick 77 (Greenwood)

Out: Thommo, Lever, Wigg, Cameron, Menzel, Gore

That leaves us with 38 (I think) on the senior list, which is the minimum (I think).

This is what I'm thinking our 22 is atm:

Brown, Talia, Doedee
Laird, Hartigan, Kelly
Atkins, Sloane, BCrouch
Gallucci, Walker, Lynch
Betts, Jenkins, McGovern
Jacobs, MCrouch, Gibbs
Douglas, Greenwood, 2 of Knight/Hampton/Seedsman/Milera

I'm very comfortable with Doedee and Gallucci replacing Lever and Cameron; I think where we'll hurt the most is the loss of Brodie cause this team still looks a little slow.

Any time you said you were comfortable with something, I would replace it was "That was pretty shower."

Gibbs is a 29 year old with inconsistencies out the wazoo. Half an effort tagging him and he's out of the game, and again at 29 he isn't going to be in the improve. 10 + 16 for him is a dead set heist by Carlton.

12 for Cameron is a heist by the crows though. He's maybe had four good games in his career. Better make it work before Sloane says he wants to "hold off on talks until the end of the year."

Gibson a good pickup for nothing too. At the very least he slots in for Smith while he's out next year and hopefully plays his role.

I give it a D+,  maybe a C if Gibbs manages a second good year in 2019.

Quote from: Trindacut on October 19, 2017, 09:50:52 PM

Quote from: TomK on October 19, 2017, 07:37:38 PM
Stoked with every move we made, got very good deals for two players who wanted to leave, I'm very comfortable with the deal for Gibbs, Gibson will be very good depth, and our position for next year's draft is very strong now which is great with a lot of highly rated SA boys.

12, 39, and 77 for this year's draft, hopefully we can pick up Fogarty with 12, 39 potentially used on Jackson Edwards and 77 probably used to upgrade Greenwood. Keath probably upgraded before the season when we place Brodie on the LTI list as well.

Senior list changes:

In: Gibbs, Gibson, Pick 12, Pick 39, Pick 77 (Greenwood)

Out: Thommo, Lever, Wigg, Cameron, Menzel, Gore

That leaves us with 38 (I think) on the senior list, which is the minimum (I think).

This is what I'm thinking our 22 is atm:

Brown, Talia, Doedee
Laird, Hartigan, Kelly
Atkins, Sloane, BCrouch
Gallucci, Walker, Lynch
Betts, Jenkins, McGovern
Jacobs, MCrouch, Gibbs
Douglas, Greenwood, 2 of Knight/Hampton/Seedsman/Milera

I'm very comfortable with Doedee and Gallucci replacing Lever and Cameron; I think where we'll hurt the most is the loss of Brodie cause this team still looks a little slow.

Any time you said you were comfortable with something, I would replace it was "That was pretty shower."

Gibbs is a 29 year old with inconsistencies out the wazoo. Half an effort tagging him and he's out of the game, and again at 29 he isn't going to be in the improve. 10 + 16 for him is a dead set heist by Carlton.

12 for Cameron is a heist by the crows though. He's maybe had four good games in his career. Better make it work before Sloane says he wants to "hold off on talks until the end of the year."

Gibson a good pickup for nothing too. At the very least he slots in for Smith while he's out next year and hopefully plays his role.

I give it a D+,  maybe a C if Gibbs manages a second good year in 2019.

Hahahahahahahahaha, give it a rest mate.

I don't recall the deal being just 10 + 16?

Pick 10 = Gibbs

We get Carlton's 2nd rounder next year which could be anywhere from 19 - 25, so it's basically a 3-9 pick downgrade from pick 16 this year, but it comes in a draft with more SA talent and is considered deeper.

We give them our 2nd rounder next year but we get their 3rd back. So let's be conservative and say we finish 4th which would mean our pick is 33 and their 3rd would be between 37 - 43, so it's really not that big of a downgrade.

The pick 73 and pick 77 swap is pretty irrelevant.

So it's basically Pick 10 and two small pick downgrades, one of which strengthens our position in a better draft, for a contracted Bryce Gibbs who is one the most durable players in the comp with the 3rd most H&A games since his debut, I reckon he has 4 to 6, at most, good years left.

Both Sloane and Gibbs though, teams can't tag both.

Nice try on the Sloane comment though ;D ::)

Load up on Sloane for the Brownlow if you reckon Gibbs will get tagged, Trinda!

Also don't shower on the Gibbs deal when it seems like you didn't even bother to look at the trade in its entirety. Carlton's 2nd rounder next year will likely be worth more to us than 16 especially considering all the SA talent in next year's draft. Gibbs for 10? flower yeah.

Gibbs is elite Trinda, and all class. Adelaide won't regret bringing him in, especially when it can help take the attention away from Sloane. He's durable and an elite ball user. Even as he ages they can shift him to halfback and he'll be super effective there.

Adelaide still have 2 first rounders next year so giving up the 2 this year wouldn't hurt their age profile either (even before the CCameron trade).

Definitely worth it imo

Quote from: TomK on October 19, 2017, 10:14:03 PM

Quote from: Trindacut on October 19, 2017, 09:50:52 PM

Quote from: TomK on October 19, 2017, 07:37:38 PM
Stoked with every move we made, got very good deals for two players who wanted to leave, I'm very comfortable with the deal for Gibbs, Gibson will be very good depth, and our position for next year's draft is very strong now which is great with a lot of highly rated SA boys.

12, 39, and 77 for this year's draft, hopefully we can pick up Fogarty with 12, 39 potentially used on Jackson Edwards and 77 probably used to upgrade Greenwood. Keath probably upgraded before the season when we place Brodie on the LTI list as well.

Senior list changes:

In: Gibbs, Gibson, Pick 12, Pick 39, Pick 77 (Greenwood)

Out: Thommo, Lever, Wigg, Cameron, Menzel, Gore

That leaves us with 38 (I think) on the senior list, which is the minimum (I think).

This is what I'm thinking our 22 is atm:

Brown, Talia, Doedee
Laird, Hartigan, Kelly
Atkins, Sloane, BCrouch
Gallucci, Walker, Lynch
Betts, Jenkins, McGovern
Jacobs, MCrouch, Gibbs
Douglas, Greenwood, 2 of Knight/Hampton/Seedsman/Milera

I'm very comfortable with Doedee and Gallucci replacing Lever and Cameron; I think where we'll hurt the most is the loss of Brodie cause this team still looks a little slow.

Any time you said you were comfortable with something, I would replace it was "That was pretty shower."

Gibbs is a 29 year old with inconsistencies out the wazoo. Half an effort tagging him and he's out of the game, and again at 29 he isn't going to be in the improve. 10 + 16 for him is a dead set heist by Carlton.

12 for Cameron is a heist by the crows though. He's maybe had four good games in his career. Better make it work before Sloane says he wants to "hold off on talks until the end of the year."

Gibson a good pickup for nothing too. At the very least he slots in for Smith while he's out next year and hopefully plays his role.

I give it a D+,  maybe a C if Gibbs manages a second good year in 2019.

Hahahahahahahahaha, give it a rest mate.

I don't recall the deal being just 10 + 16?

Pick 10 = Gibbs

We get Carlton's 2nd rounder next year which could be anywhere from 19 - 25, so it's basically a 3-9 pick downgrade from pick 16 this year, but it comes in a draft with more SA talent and is considered deeper.

We give them our 2nd rounder next year but we get their 3rd back. So let's be conservative and say we finish 4th which would mean our pick is 33 and their 3rd would be between 37 - 43, so it's really not that big of a downgrade.

The pick 73 and pick 77 swap is pretty irrelevant.

So it's basically Pick 10 and two small pick downgrades, one of which strengthens our position in a better draft, for a contracted Bryce Gibbs who is one the most durable players in the comp with the 3rd most H&A games since his debut, I reckon he has 4 to 6, at most, good years left.

Both Sloane and Gibbs though, teams can't tag both.

Nice try on the Sloane comment though ;D ::)

Thats some nice spin, you should work for Collingwood. Keep it civil too mate, I havent been pointing the finger at you calling you names

Dropping place out of the first round is a big deal, I wouldn’t be happy if it was my club but there were a few much worse trades out there. This might not end up being a bad trade, but there’s a ahit load of risk on account of the fact you will only get a couple of good years out of Gibbs. Want to hope he doesn’t pull a hammy.

At least they didn’t do a Collingwood. What a flower up there.

Debate all you want,keep it civil,do not resort to personal attacks or name calling or the thread will be locked until we feel like unlocking it and warnings etc will be issued to those involved

Quote from: Trindacut on October 20, 2017, 12:43:42 AM
Thats some nice spin, you should work for Collingwood. Keep it civil too mate, I havent been pointing the finger at you calling you names

Dropping place out of the first round is a big deal, I wouldn’t be happy if it was my club but there were a few much worse trades out there. This might not end up being a bad trade, but there’s a ahit load of risk on account of the fact you will only get a couple of good years out of Gibbs. Want to hope he doesn’t pull a hammy.

At least they didn’t do a Collingwood. What a flower up there.

;D

Hahahaha what spin exactly? My examples were all in likely scenarios? ??? Why don't you try and explain it then and not just go on about 10 + 16 in isolation?

So if a team dropped from pick 18 to pick 19 through a trade, would that be unacceptable to you? Since it would be 'dropping out of the first round'? There is little to no difference between 16 this year and an early 2nd next year; the only people that think so are the small minded ones who only look at it as a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder and that's it. Plus, we didn't drop out the first round, we have pick 12 ::)

Yeah, we'll be getting more than a couple good years from Gibbs, thanks for your concern though.

Why would a team in the premiership window pick 2017 draft picks over a proven star?

Quote from: TomK on October 20, 2017, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: Trindacut on October 20, 2017, 12:43:42 AM
Thats some nice spin, you should work for Collingwood. Keep it civil too mate, I havent been pointing the finger at you calling you names

Dropping place out of the first round is a big deal, I wouldn’t be happy if it was my club but there were a few much worse trades out there. This might not end up being a bad trade, but there’s a ahit load of risk on account of the fact you will only get a couple of good years out of Gibbs. Want to hope he doesn’t pull a hammy.

At least they didn’t do a Collingwood. What a flower up there.

;D

Hahahaha what spin exactly? My examples were all in likely scenarios? ??? Why don't you try and explain it then and not just go on about 10 + 16 in isolation?

So if a team dropped from pick 18 to pick 19 through a trade, would that be unacceptable to you? Since it would be 'dropping out of the first round'? There is little to no difference between 16 this year and an early 2nd next year; the only people that think so are the small minded ones who only look at it as a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder and that's it. Plus, we didn't drop out the first round, we have pick 12 ::)

Yeah, we'll be getting more than a couple good years from Gibbs, thanks for your concern though.

In your scenario for second round it is more likely to be 25-30 owing to compensation picks and the possibility of Carlton going up a few spots on the ladder. It's possible, not probable. Your third round pick is more likely to be around the 45 mark, and definitely not in the 30's.

In any which case, the loss of pick 10 and about 20 spots in the draft over 3 picks pretty unreal for a 29 year old midfielder. It can work, but jeez it's risky. It kind of reminds me of a poker player going full tilt. Guess we'll have to see in twelve months.

Hope Crows had Gibbs do a medical.

Not sure why you're questioning Gibbs durability and output

Only Nathan Jones and former team mate Kade Simpson have played more H&A games than Gibbs since his debut year in 2007

Quote from: Trindacut on October 20, 2017, 09:59:39 AM

Quote from: TomK on October 20, 2017, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: Trindacut on October 20, 2017, 12:43:42 AM
Thats some nice spin, you should work for Collingwood. Keep it civil too mate, I havent been pointing the finger at you calling you names

Dropping place out of the first round is a big deal, I wouldn’t be happy if it was my club but there were a few much worse trades out there. This might not end up being a bad trade, but there’s a ahit load of risk on account of the fact you will only get a couple of good years out of Gibbs. Want to hope he doesn’t pull a hammy.

At least they didn’t do a Collingwood. What a flower up there.

;D

Hahahaha what spin exactly? My examples were all in likely scenarios? ??? Why don't you try and explain it then and not just go on about 10 + 16 in isolation?

So if a team dropped from pick 18 to pick 19 through a trade, would that be unacceptable to you? Since it would be 'dropping out of the first round'? There is little to no difference between 16 this year and an early 2nd next year; the only people that think so are the small minded ones who only look at it as a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder and that's it. Plus, we didn't drop out the first round, we have pick 12 ::)

Yeah, we'll be getting more than a couple good years from Gibbs, thanks for your concern though.

In your scenario for second round it is more likely to be 25-30 owing to compensation picks and the possibility of Carlton going up a few spots on the ladder. It's possible, not probable. Your third round pick is more likely to be around the 45 mark, and definitely not in the 30's.

In any which case, the loss of pick 10 and about 20 spots in the draft over 3 picks pretty unreal for a 29 year old midfielder. It can work, but jeez it's risky. It kind of reminds me of a poker player going full tilt. Guess we'll have to see in twelve months.

Hope Crows had Gibbs do a medical.

If they win a premiership whilst Gibbs is still at the club then I'm not sure the club or any Crows fans will care as to whether they were perceived to lose this deal in isolation. I certainly wouldn't if I was a Crows supporter.

It's better to be overpaying for Gibbs who increases your chances of a premiership, than for Lachie Weller or Charlie Cameron when you're a bottom 2 club :P

With Lever gone and Smith out of action your backline looks a lot weaker maybe Gibbs will be needed to sure it up ?

Doedee to save the day :) (and our fantasy teams!)

Quote from: shaker on October 20, 2017, 01:11:41 PM
With Lever gone and Smith out of action your backline looks a lot weaker maybe Gibbs will be needed to sure it up ?

Tommy Doedee should be the one to replace Lever, lose a little bit of height but the intercepting is still there; I believe Tom was the number 1 in the SANFL for intercept possessions this year but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Gibbs will definitely be rotating off the half back line with Smith out, but he'll mainly be a mid of course. Other guys like Sloane/Douglas/Atkins will rotate there more too I reckon, while also giving guys like Hampton/Seedsman/Milera more opportunity to cement their spots in the team.

Quote from: Trindacut on October 20, 2017, 09:59:39 AM

Quote from: TomK on October 20, 2017, 01:03:50 AM

Quote from: Trindacut on October 20, 2017, 12:43:42 AM
Thats some nice spin, you should work for Collingwood. Keep it civil too mate, I havent been pointing the finger at you calling you names

Dropping place out of the first round is a big deal, I wouldn’t be happy if it was my club but there were a few much worse trades out there. This might not end up being a bad trade, but there’s a ahit load of risk on account of the fact you will only get a couple of good years out of Gibbs. Want to hope he doesn’t pull a hammy.

At least they didn’t do a Collingwood. What a flower up there.

;D

Hahahaha what spin exactly? My examples were all in likely scenarios? ??? Why don't you try and explain it then and not just go on about 10 + 16 in isolation?

So if a team dropped from pick 18 to pick 19 through a trade, would that be unacceptable to you? Since it would be 'dropping out of the first round'? There is little to no difference between 16 this year and an early 2nd next year; the only people that think so are the small minded ones who only look at it as a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder and that's it. Plus, we didn't drop out the first round, we have pick 12 ::)

Yeah, we'll be getting more than a couple good years from Gibbs, thanks for your concern though.

In your scenario for second round it is more likely to be 25-30 owing to compensation picks and the possibility of Carlton going up a few spots on the ladder. It's possible, not probable. Your third round pick is more likely to be around the 45 mark, and definitely not in the 30's.

In any which case, the loss of pick 10 and about 20 spots in the draft over 3 picks pretty unreal for a 29 year old midfielder. It can work, but jeez it's risky. It kind of reminds me of a poker player going full tilt. Guess we'll have to see in twelve months.

Hope Crows had Gibbs do a medical.

25 would be around the maximum, there's not a chance it goes all the way out to 30 hahahaha, I like Carlton and what they're doing but they still need a little time I reckon, the only teams I can see them finishing above next year are the Suns, Kangas, and Lions; so pick 22 if that happens, and there's only been two first round compensation picks given over the past three years (both this year), let's say that happens again and it's goes out to pick 24, I'm fine with that downgrade in a better draft with more SA talent, which is a point you seem to be ignoring. I'd like to hear a Carlton supporter's view on how they'll go next year though.

Sure, Carlton's 3rd may go out to 45 but then wouldn't our 2nd be pushed back a bit as well then? Also, let's not act like the quality of player in the late 2nd/early 3rd round will be that big either, it's not like we're going from pick 1 to 10.

We have pick 12 and an early 3rd this year, next year we have two firsts (both most likely in the 10-18 range), an early 2nd, and an early 3rd so it's not like we're killing our youth. Where our list profile is at, the risk was most definitely worth taking.

But most importantly, it got you the #missingpiece to the #premiershippuzzle

Quote from: GoLions on October 20, 2017, 06:44:11 PM
But most importantly, it got you the #missingpiece to the #premiershippuzzle

Finally

Quote from: Ricochet on October 19, 2017, 11:30:57 PM
Gibbs is elite Trinda, and all class. Adelaide won't regret bringing him in, especially when it can help take the attention away from Sloane. He's durable and an elite ball user. Even as he ages they can shift him to halfback and he'll be super effective there.

Adelaide still have 2 first rounders next year so giving up the 2 this year wouldn't hurt their age profile either (even before the CCameron trade).

Definitely worth it imo

Really with the three stars we had in there, Sloane and Crouch Bros', Gibbsy adds huge versatility to what was fairly one dimensional. I'm pretty happy also to have CARLton's second pick hopefully 19-22 next year :P 
      So we'll have picks 14, 18 and 20 :P  But that will hardly be enough to nab those elite SA boys next year. I think Adelaide still hopes it can force their way into that top 10 or even top 5 in 2018

Gibbsy can for sure help fill the void when needed at H/B without Smithy, hopefully Seedsman, Cheney, Kelly and Doedee can step up and keep Gibbs forward of centre more often than not!

I'm pretty excited also about what Gallucci can bring, he did look funny in that G/F sprint, so small :P  but with another pre-season for Milera and Jordan Gallucci I am hoping both can step in and cover for Charlie!

Also really looking forward to seeing J Edwards develop and I think he could almost play early in 2018, just his skinny frame might hold him back but a lot can happen to an 18yr old in 6 months with elite training! I am still miffed at Jackson not being touted as a top 20 draft pick :o  He almost looks like his old man and just as classy IMO, surely someone with those type of skills goes early? ???  Strange to me, but good for us 8)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/taylor-walker-denies-double-standards-says-lever-and-gibbs-different-stories/news-story/01cb780a5701a16d05d9edbf92fd5bfb

Whatever helps you sleep at night Tex. Preaches loyalty, but when Gibbs comes over it's okay because he's not chasing money, he's chasing success. He should have backed away from his Lever spray, not doubled down saying Gibbs was justified.

Gibbs, and even Dangerfield for that matter, cited family reasons for leaving. Lever did too, and he's from Melbourne so obviously he has family there. Lever got paid well to leave and suddenly Tex gets on his high horse.

Tippett, Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron. I'm not saying there is a problem at Adelaide, but there needs to be some effort to identify the cause of this and work on it over the next twelve months so Sloane doesn't leave.

Quote from: Trindacut on October 22, 2017, 09:41:32 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/taylor-walker-denies-double-standards-says-lever-and-gibbs-different-stories/news-story/01cb780a5701a16d05d9edbf92fd5bfb

Whatever helps you sleep at night Tex. Preaches loyalty, but when Gibbs comes over it's okay because he's not chasing money, he's chasing success. He should have backed away from his Lever spray, not doubled down saying Gibbs was justified.

Gibbs, and even Dangerfield for that matter, cited family reasons for leaving. Lever did too, and he's from Melbourne so obviously he has family there. Lever got paid well to leave and suddenly Tex gets on his high horse.

Tippett, Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron. I'm not saying there is a problem at Adelaide, but there needs to be some effort to identify the cause of this and work on it over the next twelve months so Sloane doesn't leave.

And does you constantly talking shower about the Crows make you sleep any better at night? Do you ever stop? Are you obsessed with us or something? Why do you care so much? lmao

If there was such a massive problem why did Sloane sign in 2015 when Danger left?

Well the reasons we lost two (Danger and Cameron) of those players are because we aren't, not sure if you noticed, located in Victoria or Queensland.

Lever was a combination of the two, while Tippett was money, you can't deny that one.

Tex took pay cuts to keep this team together and have the best chance to win a flag, I think he has every right to be annoyed if someone left.

Don't you think it's a bit different also a 29 year old coming home for the final 4-6 years of his career compared to a 21 year old leaving after only 3 seasons?

Quote from: TomK on October 22, 2017, 11:13:26 AM
If there was such a massive problem why did Sloane sign in 2015 when Danger left?

Because he was playing the long con and knows it'll be funnier when he leaves after 2018 ;D

Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

Yeah pretty much, similar system to Hawthorn in their 3-peat years, it's the main reason we didn't give Jake the money he was offered at Melbourne, I've read our offer was around the money we gave Gibbs (600kish).

Yeah I'm sure they're pretty aware of that and it depends what Sloane wants, it's not like our offer would be so much lower than the Vic sides, I'd expect something around the 850k mark. I think we'll be looking to get him signed up before the season starts.

Quote from: TomK on October 22, 2017, 01:30:12 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

Yeah pretty much, similar system to Hawthorn in their 3-peat years, it's the main reason we didn't give Jake the money he was offered at Melbourne, I've read our offer was around the money we gave Gibbs (600kish).

Yeah I'm sure they're pretty aware of that and it depends what Sloane wants, it's not like our offer would be so much lower than the Vic sides, I'd expect something around the 850k mark. I think we'll be looking to get him signed up before the season starts.

Yeah they might have to change a bit for Sloane I think he is your most important player and you can't afford to lose him very similar to Dusty who remained loyal and knocked back more $$ but still cost us heaps but worth every cent  ;)

Quote from: TomK on October 22, 2017, 01:30:12 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

Yeah pretty much, similar system to Hawthorn in their 3-peat years, it's the main reason we didn't give Jake the money he was offered at Melbourne, I've read our offer was around the money we gave Gibbs (600kish).

Yeah I'm sure they're pretty aware of that and it depends what Sloane wants, it's not like our offer would be so much lower than the Vic sides, I'd expect something around the 850k mark. I think we'll be looking to get him signed up before the season starts.

I predict that contract talks will be held off until the end of the year. Not necessarily a sign he'll leave, but we saw it work for Dusty this year, and Kelly. These big names can afford to make the club sweat on it, it'll be worth millions to them to do it.

I'd be extremely surprised if Tex manages to not put his foot in it throughout the year. He can't help himself, given that he is the supreme judge of acceptable and unacceptable reasons to trade to another club.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-02/sloane-wont-be-rushed-into-new-crows-deal

Didn’t have to wait as long as I thought.

You nailed that Trinda although it was odds on to happen Crows might have to change there pay structures about not paying individuals very big salaries because that article was as good as sending Emails to clubs saying ok what you offering

It'll be another Fyfe, Dusty, Kelly situation. It'll drag on all year next year and then he'll re-sign

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

You would be 110% correct mate, it's an issue for us no denying it. It's an admirable stance to take but when you'll have quite a few clubs circling with big wads of cash ready to hand it over to Sloane for a signature we're going to have to think long and hard about wether this is actually working in the best interest for the club long term let alone the short term while in that window.
For me I can only see it going one way, we are going to have to write a decent sized cheque to keep him, will we have to match the best offer from another club I don't know. A lot of that depends on Rory and how happy he is to continue playing in SA away from family but it will have to be pretty close i'm thinking.

Quote from: Grazz on November 02, 2017, 10:12:32 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

You would be 110% correct mate, it's an issue for us no denying it. It's an admirable stance to take but when you'll have quite a few clubs circling with big wads of cash ready to hand it over to Sloane for a signature we're going to have to think long and hard about wether this is actually working in the best interest for the club long term let alone the short term while in that window.
For me I can only see it going one way, we are going to have to write a decent sized cheque to keep him, will we have to match the best offer from another club I don't know. A lot of that depends on Rory and how happy he is to continue playing in SA away from family but it will have to be pretty close i'm thinking.

Yes mate he will stay if you pay  :P

Quote from: shaker on November 02, 2017, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: Grazz on November 02, 2017, 10:12:32 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

You would be 110% correct mate, it's an issue for us no denying it. It's an admirable stance to take but when you'll have quite a few clubs circling with big wads of cash ready to hand it over to Sloane for a signature we're going to have to think long and hard about wether this is actually working in the best interest for the club long term let alone the short term while in that window.
For me I can only see it going one way, we are going to have to write a decent sized cheque to keep him, will we have to match the best offer from another club I don't know. A lot of that depends on Rory and how happy he is to continue playing in SA away from family but it will have to be pretty close i'm thinking.

Yes mate he will stay if you pay  :P

C'mon don't spoil the dream for me mate.  :P

Quote from: Grazz on November 02, 2017, 10:12:32 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

You would be 110% correct mate, it's an issue for us no denying it. It's an admirable stance to take but when you'll have quite a few clubs circling with big wads of cash ready to hand it over to Sloane for a signature we're going to have to think long and hard about wether this is actually working in the best interest for the club long term let alone the short term while in that window.
For me I can only see it going one way, we are going to have to write a decent sized cheque to keep him, will we have to match the best offer from another club I don't know. A lot of that depends on Rory and how happy he is to continue playing in SA away from family but it will have to be pretty close i'm thinking.

He’s unrestricted next year at 27, so I’d argue they need to straight up beat it in price, with a signature before September, because they won’t get an oppertunirty to match a rival if he wants to go.

Quote from: Trindacut on November 03, 2017, 06:22:33 AM

Quote from: Grazz on November 02, 2017, 10:12:32 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

You would be 110% correct mate, it's an issue for us no denying it. It's an admirable stance to take but when you'll have quite a few clubs circling with big wads of cash ready to hand it over to Sloane for a signature we're going to have to think long and hard about wether this is actually working in the best interest for the club long term let alone the short term while in that window.
For me I can only see it going one way, we are going to have to write a decent sized cheque to keep him, will we have to match the best offer from another club I don't know. A lot of that depends on Rory and how happy he is to continue playing in SA away from family but it will have to be pretty close i'm thinking.

He’s unrestricted next year at 27, so I’d argue they need to straight up beat it in price, with a signature before September, because they won’t get an oppertunirty to match a rival if he wants to go.

?? His agent will make Ade well aware of what his other offers are

Quote from: Grazz on November 03, 2017, 03:16:36 AM

Quote from: shaker on November 02, 2017, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: Grazz on November 02, 2017, 10:12:32 PM

Quote from: shaker on October 22, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Would I be right in saying that the Crows don't pay players huge individual contracts ala Dusty at the Tiges or Buddy or so on and that the pot is more evenly payed to players to a certain point ( I know young guys would not be included ) ? because if that is the case surely they know Sloane is going to be offered million dollar contracts next year to move home , do you think they will change and match those offers ? how do you think it will unfold ?

You would be 110% correct mate, it's an issue for us no denying it. It's an admirable stance to take but when you'll have quite a few clubs circling with big wads of cash ready to hand it over to Sloane for a signature we're going to have to think long and hard about wether this is actually working in the best interest for the club long term let alone the short term while in that window.
For me I can only see it going one way, we are going to have to write a decent sized cheque to keep him, will we have to match the best offer from another club I don't know. A lot of that depends on Rory and how happy he is to continue playing in SA away from family but it will have to be pretty close i'm thinking.

Yes mate he will stay if you pay  :P

C'mon don't spoil the dream for me mate.  :P

Ha ha don't think Sloane is anyway like Lever wanting to go home he would be happy to finish his career there pretty sure but reading that article one thing that was said was what is best for him and family which translates to dollars to me he is talking about so not paying large salaries to individuals or paying players more than the Captain is going to have to change or maybe the Captain will have to change  :P

If Rory Sloane leaves next year i'll walk Rundle Mall naked!! If he leaves because his girlfriend works interstate, i'll personally punch him in the face, this wont happen though surely? Rory is a bigger man than that ???

Firstly, anyone else getting sick and tired of Adelaide's lack of PR skills? Im pissed off >:(  Why the frog didn't they sign Jack Trengove when they nabbed 31yr Gibson? ::)

Why cant Adelaide just flowering commit to Jack Edwards? Just flowering tell us all you WILL draft him and bluddy DO IT! Kids with his silk and class (Ala dad) Don't grow on trees! >:(

If these clowns let Jackson slip elsewhere I'm done! I'll be supporting the team where I was born next year! The Fitzroy Lions!

If you'll stop supporting your club because of what professionals do and don't do with their list management, having just come off a season where they made the Grand Final, I don't think the club will miss your support.

Not saying you have to agree with every move your club makes of course, but to stop supporting them?! As I said, the Crows won't notice you're gone.

Quote from: tbagrocks on November 03, 2017, 07:00:25 PM
If Rory Sloane leaves next year i'll walk Rundle Mall naked!! If he leaves because his girlfriend works interstate, i'll personally punch him in the face, this wont happen though surely? Rory is a bigger man than that ???

Firstly, anyone else getting sick and tired of Adelaide's lack of PR skills? Im pissed off >:(  Why the frog didn't they sign Jack Trengove when they nabbed 31yr Gibson? ::)

Why cant Adelaide just flowering commit to Jack Edwards? Just flowering tell us all you WILL draft him and bluddy DO IT! Kids with his silk and class (Ala dad) Don't grow on trees! >:(

If these clowns let Jackson slip elsewhere I'm done! I'll be supporting the team where I was born next year! The Fitzroy Lions!

1. I would guess that Sloane will stay, but as an unrestricted free agent you just never know - I've learnt to expect the worst with our out of contract players so until pen is put to paper I'll be nervous. He certainly wouldn't be the first player to move partly because his partner wants to!

2. Jack Trengrove isn't as good at football as Sam Gibson. He's too slow, not a threat up forward, doesn't use the ball when and his body is broken. Pass. Gibson is okay depth - will be reliable when we need him and can play a defensive role which we didn't have last season. Will set a great standard on the track, and as a captain of Box Hill should be a good leader around the club.

3. Is Edwards even a lock to be drafted? Why would we commit to using a NAT pick when we might be able to just rookie list him? Haven't heard much buzz about him ever since he trained with the Crows. Think we'll pick him up but don't let the father/son hype influence the decision too much - Ben Jarman certainly hasn't set the world on fire so far.

The sky isn't falling, tbag.. We just made a GF, have a young team and marginally improved our list for 2018 over the off-season imo. Keep the faith :P