I'm looking really forward to this offseason.
Devon Smith and Matthew Kennedy are all but signed at Carlton from what I've heard and they would both probably be best 22 players and add midfield depth as well as be key players for many years to come. We have also, in previous years made some really good deals for the GWS recruits and I think pick 38 is about right for what we would give up.
From what I've seen/heard Tom Rockliff is set to go to either port or Carlton (with port slightly in front at this stage) and again he would add some class and depth to our midfield. Hopefully we can get him as a free agent as we have the salary space to do so and I think Brissy would get pick 19 if he did infact leave as a free agent which would probably be better than what clubs would trade for him and also would help them land Charlie Cameron.
We have also signed key players and look to be building a club that players want to come too and Gibbs is looking like he wants to stay as well which is good considering he is our best player in my opinion anyways.
Cripps, Murphy, Gibbs, Rocky, Smith and Curnow would be a pretty hard midfield to beat with Kreuzer tapping it down to them.
Geez getting Smith & Kennedy for Pick 38 would be daylight robbery for the Blues
Quote from: Toga on October 02, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
Geez getting Smith & Kennedy for Pick 38 would be daylight robbery for the Blues
I don't think that'd happen, as much as GWS love the Blues haha. 2nd rounder (21ish?) would still be robbery, but I'd say that'd be a good chance.
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 12:23:04 PM
Quote from: Toga on October 02, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
Geez getting Smith & Kennedy for Pick 38 would be daylight robbery for the Blues
I don't think that'd happen, as much as GWS love the Blues haha. 2nd rounder (21ish?) would still be robbery, but I'd say that'd be a good chance.
Agreed.
Quote from: Toga on October 02, 2017, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 12:23:04 PM
Quote from: Toga on October 02, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
Geez getting Smith & Kennedy for Pick 38 would be daylight robbery for the Blues
I don't think that'd happen, as much as GWS love the Blues haha. 2nd rounder (21ish?) would still be robbery, but I'd say that'd be a good chance.
Agreed.
Yeah maybe I am getting a little too optimistic haha.
Just looking at previous years...
2016
1st Round Pick from Geelong, Pick 28, Pick 77 and Pick 95 for Lachie Plowman, Liam Sumner, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips and Pick 8 is a pretty big win for us. Plowman is now a lock in our best 22 and is only getting better, Phillips is a really good back up ruckman to have for Kreuzer and would probably be the number one ruck in a few other sides, Sumner and Lamb we got for nothing pretty much and at the time they looked like they could've turned into something, Pick 8 later turned into Harry McKay who is still destintaned to be our forward of the future and we pretty much gave up two picks for them.
2017
Geelong 2017 first round pick, pick 45, 58 and 135 for Jarrod Pickket, Caleb Marchbank, Rhys Palmer and GWS future second round pick. GWS played hard ball with Caleb Marchbank and said they wouldn't trade him unless it was for a first round pick which is fair enough as he is already a lock in our best 22 and will be for the next 10 years. But we pretty much got their second round pick and Pickett for free in my opinion anyways.
With any other club pick 38 would be refused immediately but the giants seem to give blues players pretty easily.
Gotta remember players wanting to leave always go for less than they're worth. With 2016 I'd say the Cats first rounder-->N8 was the win, rest pretty even. Plowman come on better than expected now though.
Last year quite even, and Marchbank now been really good.
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 01:16:05 PM
Gotta remember players wanting to leave always go for less than they're worth. With 2016 I'd say the Cats first rounder-->N8 was the win, rest pretty even. Plowman come on better than expected now though.
Last year quite even, and Marchbank now been really good.
Good point. It is a positive that Smith and Kennedy want to leave.
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Quote from: TomK on October 02, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Interested to hear the Carlton guys thoughts but I would've thought it will be easier this time around. One less year to go on his contract, and Carlton have a greater need for a first round pick with the GWS boys and maybe Rockliff being keen.
Quote from: Jay on October 02, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 02, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Interested to hear the Carlton guys thoughts but I would've thought it will be easier this time around. One less year to go on his contract, and Carlton have a greater need for a first round pick with the GWS boys and maybe Rockliff being keen.
Would like to know what the talk in Adelaide is about him atm. In VIC everything is saying he'll stay at the Blues tbh.
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 02, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 02, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Interested to hear the Carlton guys thoughts but I would've thought it will be easier this time around. One less year to go on his contract, and Carlton have a greater need for a first round pick with the GWS boys and maybe Rockliff being keen.
Would like to know what the talk in Adelaide is about him atm. In VIC everything is saying he'll stay at the Blues tbh.
Crows media think they will get 5 first round picks for Lever and only give a 3rd rounder for Gibbs!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 02, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 02, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 02, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Interested to hear the Carlton guys thoughts but I would've thought it will be easier this time around. One less year to go on his contract, and Carlton have a greater need for a first round pick with the GWS boys and maybe Rockliff being keen.
Would like to know what the talk in Adelaide is about him atm. In VIC everything is saying he'll stay at the Blues tbh.
Crows media think they will get 5 first round picks for Lever and only give a 3rd rounder for Gibbs!
Was catching up on all the Bryce stuff today, club sources and more recent reports suggest he is more likely to stay than he was at this point last year. Should he move, first rounder seems the right price, though Adelaide's first rounder is pretty late this year. Maybe a 4th rounder added that we could send to GWS for Matthew Kennedy seems reasonable? We seem to get their youth pretty cheaply.
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 02, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 02, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 02, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 02, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Interested to hear the Carlton guys thoughts but I would've thought it will be easier this time around. One less year to go on his contract, and Carlton have a greater need for a first round pick with the GWS boys and maybe Rockliff being keen.
Would like to know what the talk in Adelaide is about him atm. In VIC everything is saying he'll stay at the Blues tbh.
Crows media think they will get 5 first round picks for Lever and only give a 3rd rounder for Gibbs!
Was catching up on all the Bryce stuff today, club sources and more recent reports suggest he is more likely to stay than he was at this point last year. Should he move, first rounder seems the right price, though Adelaide's first rounder is pretty late this year. Maybe a 4th rounder added that we could send to GWS for Matthew Kennedy seems reasonable? We seem to get their youth pretty cheaply.
Kennedy will cost a first rounder.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 02, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 02, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 02, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Interested to hear the Carlton guys thoughts but I would've thought it will be easier this time around. One less year to go on his contract, and Carlton have a greater need for a first round pick with the GWS boys and maybe Rockliff being keen.
Would like to know what the talk in Adelaide is about him atm. In VIC everything is saying he'll stay at the Blues tbh.
Crows media think they will get 5 first round picks for Lever and only give a 3rd rounder for Gibbs!
Hahahahaha okay, obviously exaggerating but do you always talk out your ass?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 02, 2017, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 02, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 02, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 02, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 02, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 02, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Not stirring shower, but Gibbs will, allegedly, ask for a trade again, whether the trade happens is a different question all together as we know.
Interested to hear the Carlton guys thoughts but I would've thought it will be easier this time around. One less year to go on his contract, and Carlton have a greater need for a first round pick with the GWS boys and maybe Rockliff being keen.
Would like to know what the talk in Adelaide is about him atm. In VIC everything is saying he'll stay at the Blues tbh.
Crows media think they will get 5 first round picks for Lever and only give a 3rd rounder for Gibbs!
Was catching up on all the Bryce stuff today, club sources and more recent reports suggest he is more likely to stay than he was at this point last year. Should he move, first rounder seems the right price, though Adelaide's first rounder is pretty late this year. Maybe a 4th rounder added that we could send to GWS for Matthew Kennedy seems reasonable? We seem to get their youth pretty cheaply.
Kennedy will cost a first rounder.
I'd be surprised if we gave up anything less than #30 for him. But, he'll probably come in a combo deal so we'll never know individually.
We will get Kennedy and Dev at a discount because we're going to take some major salary for GWS to be able to sign a bunch of their own guys. They can't afford it and have some big contracts on the books and it's why we took Palmer last year to get a discount on Marchbank. Word was Griffen but McKay came out and said that wasn't happening. They also need a Mummy replacement now that he is likely retiring so some free space will benefit them. I'm thinking it needs to be a 2nd round pick though so I'm leaning towards next years second.
Both the GWS boys are the type of players we need. I was a pretty big fan of Dev early in his career but he is a bit selfish so hopefully Bolts can get that out of his game. He is pretty talented and we need some guys that can break the lines and hit the scoreboard. If he signs we're dumping Boekhorst. Kennedy is another young mid we can add to our core of the future.
McKay also came out and said it's likely Gibbs stays at Carlton and he hasn't requested a trade again. If he does we will entertain offers but it will likely be Melbourne's first we're asking for in that situation. I think it's basically going to come down to how his missus is feeling about Melbourne. It's fair enough that she wants her family close by with a young child, we better be doing all we can to keep them happy though.
Lockliff is going to get a big money offer from us. The Daisy money is off the books and a lot of the guys we have on our list are still young with not a lot of dollar value to their names yet. I'm pretty giddy about this one. I've wanted him in Navy Blue for a looonnnngggg time. It goes all the way back to a pre-season game at Visy Park in 2010 (and also the first time Fev faced Carlton) where he looked the goods. What's great about this is he won't come at a cost other than the cash.
If we can come away with keeping pick 3, getting Rockliff, Kennedy, Smith and one or two other depth guys without giving up a future 2nd and maybe this years third we've done real well. It's going to come down to what GWS want to dump on us and at this point I'd be saying yes to Dawson Simpson, Tim Mohr and whatever other guys we can afford.
Apparently we are in a two horse race for Adam Saad with Essendon and they want a second round draft pick for him. I think he would be a decent addition to our team but don't know if we should give up that much for him.
It hasn't been a really successful week since Kennedy nominated us. So far we have had Rockliff pick Port (it's not even the good team in Adelaide), Dev pick Essendon (slightly ironic that doctors and rehab facilities were what decided it), Saad pick Essendon and our CEO 'resigned'. Apparently Simon Lethlean is the replacement and half the board don't want him so we have another board divide.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 06, 2017, 12:01:08 AM
It hasn't been a really successful week since Kennedy nominated us. So far we have had Rockliff pick Port (it's not even the good team in Adelaide), Dev pick Essendon (slightly ironic that doctors and rehab facilities were what decided it), Saad pick Essendon and our CEO 'resigned'. Apparently Simon Lethlean is the replacement and half the board don't want him so we have another board divide.
Sounds disastrous. How did it go off track so fast, I wonder.
The last thing we need is off-field BS and politics to hurt our on the field progress and rebuilding strategy. I'm disappointed that we missed out on Rockliff, Smith and Saad, but in a way I'm also relieved because it means we can't take short cuts in this rebuild. In the past we would have just thrown money and traded out picks for a couple of guys that wouldn't make the difference in the long run or the way our list was being built. I think we need one more really good draft before we start looking at FA as a way to fill out the roster.
At least we managed to land Kennedy. He was taken the pick after Curnow and that now gives us Weits, Curnow, McKay, Cuningham, Silvagni and now Kennedy from that draft. All of those guys apart from Jack were taken within the top 23 picks.
Looking at some of our guys that are 24 and under it looks like this
Macreadie, Weits, Willo
Doc, Marchbank, Plowman
Cripps, Cuningham, Samo
Silvagni, McKay, Pickett
Fisher, Curnow, Polson
Byrne, Kerridge, Kennedy, LeBois
Add this years draftees and next year is the one that you're looking to get a few of those FA vets in.
Next year Sloane, Lynch, Gawn, Gaff, Dahl and McGovern are all FA's. I doubt Sloane, Gov and Gawn will go anywhere but it will be worth trying to draw one of the other three over considering the bulk of our 23 and under players will be high quality junior prospects and it won't cost us anything but the cash to pay them.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 06, 2017, 12:01:08 AM
It hasn't been a really successful week since Kennedy nominated us. So far we have had Rockliff pick Port (it's not even the good team in Adelaide), Dev pick Essendon (slightly ironic that doctors and rehab facilities were what decided it), Saad pick Essendon and our CEO 'resigned'. Apparently Simon Lethlean is the replacement and half the board don't want him so we have another board divide.
Damien Barrett in sliding doors saying the Blues board approached Lethlean many weeks ago and this resigned story is absolute rubbish and if half the board don't want Lethlean as you say then you have big problems that needed to be sorted quick smart
Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Docherty, Marchbank, Simpson
Kerridge, Gibbs, Curnow
Thomas, Casboult, Wright
Curnow, McKay, Silvanghi
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy
SPS, Kennedy, Williamson, Fisher
Cunningham, Pickett, Byrne
Is the best 22 at this stage in my opinion. Good too see lots of young talent.
So you boys reckon Kedge is best 22 next year? I know he basically came in when Curnow went out but even with Cripps and Curnow slotting back in, I feel like Kedge should still have a spot and he's still only like 24. Or does he get pushed out by somebody like Cuningham, Fisher or Williamson who you'd say have more upside?
Quote from: Nige on October 06, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
So you boys reckon Kedge is best 22 next year? I know he basically came in when Curnow went out but even with Cripps and Curnow slotting back in, I feel like Kedge should still have a spot and he's still only like 24. Or does he get pushed out by somebody like Cuningham, Fisher or Williamson who you'd say have more upside?
I think they're gonna play their best player, Nige.
Quote from: TomK on October 06, 2017, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: Nige on October 06, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
So you boys reckon Kedge is best 22 next year? I know he basically came in when Curnow went out but even with Cripps and Curnow slotting back in, I feel like Kedge should still have a spot and he's still only like 24. Or does he get pushed out by somebody like Cuningham, Fisher or Williamson who you'd say have more upside?
I think they're gonna play their best player, Nige.
This time last year I thought he was going to be an okay Depth player for the club due to his lack of disposal efficiency but he played 9 games in a row to finish the season and averaged 24.5 disposals and did improve his efficiency. As you said he is only 24 years old so he has 7-8 seasons and you would hope that we would be pushing for finals in a few years time anyways so I personally think we should be playing him as players like Fisher and Williamson who are probably around that 21st/22nd best player in the club will get there chance when injuries occur.
Now that Adelaide have pick 10 I hope they offer Carlton pick 16 along with next years second round for Gibbs! And if they do we should take it.
Next years second round (ADE) for Kennedy
16 for Schache
And we can go to the draft with pick 3
That's just my opinion though.
Quote from: Money Shot on October 12, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
Now that Adelaide have pick 10 I hope they offer Carlton pick 16 along with next years second round for Gibbs! And if they do we should take it.
Next years second round (ADE) for Kennedy
16 for Schache
And we can go to the draft with pick 3
That's just my opinion though.
I like your thinking
Quote from: Money Shot on October 12, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
Now that Adelaide have pick 10 I hope they offer Carlton pick 16 along with next years second round for Gibbs! And if they do we should take it.
Next years second round (ADE) for Kennedy
16 for Schache
And we can go to the draft with pick 3
That's just my opinion though.
Yeah, nah. We aren't trading Gibbs and there is absolutely 0 reason to do it. Pick 10 instead of 16 is making a case for it, but you aren't getting a player at 10 with more value to this team than Bryce. Adelaide had the chance to front up last season and decided to pass. They could have basically got him for two picks in the mid to late teens last year but decided he wasn't worth it. Time for both teams to move on.
The fact that no one has gone after Schache even though Brisbane are the ones looking for a trade says enough. He's probably worth a early to mid 2nd round pick which we don't have. He might have been taken at pick 2 but that doesn't necessarily mean he is worth a first round pick anymore. Have a look at what the Dogs get for Stringer who has proven more at AFL level and that's the guide. If he goes to the Dons it will probably be for pick 24 and maybe a swap of picks down the track.
Right now our key for the offseason is to get a 2nd round pick this year to offer up to GWS. I'm not sure how we're exactly going to swing that but it might mean moving down from 3. The Saints are in a prime position with picks 7 and 8. Both of those is definitely worth more than 3 so it might be 7 and a combo of a few other things. The Lions could try and move up with picks 12, 18 and 19 at their disposal. We need to keep as many picks as possible for next year since it looks like Ben Silvagni is going to have to make his to the Blues. Ideally we manage to keep 3 and find another way to get a second or satisfy the Giants in this deal. I'm hoping it's via a salary dump which helps them out and gets us a discount.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 13, 2017, 01:00:07 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 12, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
Now that Adelaide have pick 10 I hope they offer Carlton pick 16 along with next years second round for Gibbs! And if they do we should take it.
Next years second round (ADE) for Kennedy
16 for Schache
And we can go to the draft with pick 3
That's just my opinion though.
Yeah, nah. We aren't trading Gibbs and there is absolutely 0 reason to do it. Pick 10 instead of 16 is making a case for it, but you aren't getting a player at 10 with more value to this team than Bryce. Adelaide had the chance to front up last season and decided to pass. They could have basically got him for two picks in the mid to late teens last year but decided he wasn't worth it. Time for both teams to move on.
So you can finish 14th rather than 16th and then Bryce leaves as soon as his contract is up? I'm confident a deal will get done for Gibbs - it makes too much sense for both sides. It's probably looking like #10 and a second round pick - that's a 7+ year player for you guys, and frankly Gibbs leaving helps your 2018 draft pick. Still have experienced guys like Murph, Kreuz and Simpson to guide the young players. It'll happen.
Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2017, 01:11:24 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 13, 2017, 01:00:07 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 12, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
Now that Adelaide have pick 10 I hope they offer Carlton pick 16 along with next years second round for Gibbs! And if they do we should take it.
Next years second round (ADE) for Kennedy
16 for Schache
And we can go to the draft with pick 3
That's just my opinion though.
Yeah, nah. We aren't trading Gibbs and there is absolutely 0 reason to do it. Pick 10 instead of 16 is making a case for it, but you aren't getting a player at 10 with more value to this team than Bryce. Adelaide had the chance to front up last season and decided to pass. They could have basically got him for two picks in the mid to late teens last year but decided he wasn't worth it. Time for both teams to move on.
So you can finish 14th rather than 16th and then Bryce leaves as soon as his contract is up? I'm confident a deal will get done for Gibbs - it makes too much sense for both sides. It's probably looking like #10 and a second round pick - that's a 7+ year player for you guys, and frankly Gibbs leaving helps your 2018 draft pick. Still have experienced guys like Murph, Kreuz and Simpson to guide the young players. It'll happen.
Forgetting last year, where is all this Gibbs talk coming from? Seems like he's staying at the Bloos to me, haven't heard anything new to suggest otherwise (granted i haven't checked any trade news since Brisbane didn't match the offer for Rocky...)
Quote from: Jay on October 13, 2017, 01:11:24 AM
So you can finish 14th rather than 16th and then Bryce leaves as soon as his contract is up? I'm confident a deal will get done for Gibbs - it makes too much sense for both sides. It's probably looking like #10 and a second round pick - that's a 7+ year player for you guys, and frankly Gibbs leaving helps your 2018 draft pick. Still have experienced guys like Murph, Kreuz and Simpson to guide the young players. It'll happen.
Let me start with this
QuoteEight times they lost after leading at the 10 minute mark of the last quarter, and in terms of quarters won were competitive with teams around the eight.
Part of that comes down to a lack of physical strength.
So let's assume with natural improvement we win half of those games. That probably puts us in the 10 to 12 range next year with hope of pushing for the 8 in 2019.
Funny thing is Bryce has no intention of leaving Carlton when his contract is up anyway. Last year was you guys trying to poach him and his missus wanting to move closer to family. Funny thing is your mob has had a sook that you couldn't land Gibbs last year and are having one with Lever (who could have left for nothing in the end) and Cameron. The difference is that Bryce loves the club, even with the lack of grand final losses.
You might have had a better chance if we got Dev and Rocky, but considering we lack big bodied mids to help the young guys out there is 0 chance unless they meet whatever SOS asks for. We still have the leverage in this situation with a player contracted for two more seasons that is happy in Melbourne and at the club.
Quote from: GoLions on October 13, 2017, 01:26:38 AM
Forgetting last year, where is all this Gibbs talk coming from? Seems like he's staying at the Bloos to me, haven't heard anything new to suggest otherwise (granted i haven't checked any trade news since Brisbane didn't match the offer for Rocky...)
Slow trade week basically. McKay came out and said Bryce is happy and wanting to stay. Adelaide have said they had no interest this year as well. The only reason it's probably being discussed is us needing a 2nd round pick for Kennedy. It's likely GWS take next years second but we're probably hesitant since we might need it for Ben Silvagni without going into deficit in 2019.
Word is that we give up our 3rd round pick this year and we do a pick swap next year to the advantage of the Giants to pick up Kennedy. My guess is our 2nd for their 3rd next year.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 18, 2017, 12:01:25 AM
Word is that we give up our 3rd round pick this year and we do a pick swap next year to the advantage of the Giants to pick up Kennedy. My guess is our 2nd for their 3rd next year.
I've heard that we get Kennedy and next years third round and we give next years second. So very similar. I would be pretty happy with that.
Losing Gibbs stings, but at least we got pretty good compo out of it and SOS was able to turn those into more picks.
We will end the off-season with picks 3, 10, 30, Kennedy, Lang, Lobbe and then we have Adelaide's 2018 2nd, Dogs 2018 2nd, Geelong's 2018 4th.
Outs: Gibbs, our 2018 2nd round pick, 2018 3rd round pick and 2018 4th round pick.
The best bit is we haven't f'ed ourselves in 2018 where we could end up with 2 top 10 picks. Ben Silvagni is apparently a gun and if he is an early draft pick we will be able to get him with points. Only thing is no third round pick so it will be interesting to see what we do next season to get ourselves back into the draft. I think that's the final draft of the rebuild and we're on.
Quote from: Mat0369 on October 19, 2017, 06:04:51 PM
Losing Gibbs stings, but at least we got pretty good compo out of it and SOS was able to turn those into more picks.
We will end the off-season with picks 3, 10, 30, Kennedy, Lang, Lobbe and then we have Adelaide's 2018 2nd, Dogs 2018 2nd, Geelong's 2018 4th.
Outs: Gibbs, our 2018 2nd round pick, 2018 3rd round pick and 2018 4th round pick.
The best bit is we haven't f'ed ourselves in 2018 where we could end up with 2 top 10 picks. Ben Silvagni is apparently a gun and if he is an early draft pick we will be able to get him with points. Only thing is no third round pick so it will be interesting to see what we do next season to get ourselves back into the draft. I think that's the final draft of the rebuild and we're on.
Really enjoy reading the optimism of Blues each off season..... 37yrs would be too soon for Carlton to win another flag. Best recruit Carlton has had in past two years has been SOS.
It has a lot to do with our list build and age brackets. We have had an influx of talented under 22's that look to be capable at the top level. The last time I felt this good about our team was 5 weeks into 2012 when we were premiership favourites. We're heading in the right direction and going the right way about it. No shortcuts.
Right now we have a coach in Bolts who I believe can get the best out of the kids while bringing a defensive and team first understanding.
We have a young core lead by Cripps, Doc, Curnow, Weitering and a bunch of other young talented players. We are fast tracking their development by getting them exposure at the top level. We still have assets in the next two drafts with 2 top 10 picks this season and keeping our first next year.
These next two drafts would have given us 4 solid cracks at getting some elite young talent. Those guys from the first draft should be ready to start taking the comp by the throat. We'll see how it pans out.
Definitely good reason to be optimistic Mat. As a Bombers man just hard to voice any support for the Blues. Then i think how I feel about Eagles and Crows and would rather see Blues in finals than them.
Picks 10 and 16 for Gibbs was an absolute heist. Good work by SOS. Reminds me of the Deledio trade by Richmond last year. Got them a flag in the end.
Want to see the Blues get up and contend for the 8 again.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-21/best-22-how-your-club-could-line-up-in-2018
B: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank
HB: Sam Docherty, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
C: Dale Thomas, Patrick Cripps, Darcy Lang
HF: Matthew Wright, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kennedy
F: Jack Silvagni, Charlie Curnow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, Marc Murphy
INT: Ciaran Byrne, David Cuningham, Jarrod Pickett, Alex Silvagni
NOTES: Midfielders Patrick Cripps and Ed Curnow were sadly missed towards the end of this season because of injury and their return will be welcomed. While Bryce Gibbs’ defection to the Crows will hurt in the short term, the Blues have added much-needed depth to their midfield with the inclusion of ex-Giant Matthew Kennedy and former Cat Darcy Lang, who should go straight into their best combination. Scoring enough goals has been Carlton’s biggest problem for a while and a priority for Brendon Bolton in 2018 will be finding the right combination in the forward half. The Blues have two first-round picks in next month’s NAB AFL Draft and are set to add at least one more young midfielder/defender.
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REMAINING SENIOR LIST: Blaine Boekhorst, Zac Fisher, Nick Graham, Patrick Kerr, Sam Kerridge, Jed Lamb, Matthew Lobbe, Harrison Macreadie, Harry McKay, Cameron Polson, Billie Smedts, Simon White, Tom Williamson.
REMAINING ROOKIE LIST: Jesse Glass-McCasker, Kym Lebois - Howard Kotton
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You brought him back to life! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 23, 2017, 08:33:23 PM
This facebook page is your greatest get in the trade period.
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You brought him back to life! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
This is the greatest thing to happen since the events of the 29th September 2017. 8)
Boekhurst, Smedts and White out.
Boekhurst I think we could've kept for depth as he would've played senior footy this year.
Smedts wouldn't of got a game and isn't in the age bracket of players that we are looking to play so that's fair enough.
White probably didn't deserve another contract but I'll be sad too see him go. Gave his all to the club and was a great service to us.
We are looking to sign Aaron Mullet which is a bit of a surprise to me but in saying that he should be decent depth for us.
We have shown interest in Hartung, Stewart and Lennon but that doesn't seem to be going anywhere at this stage.
I could see Mullett easily starting for you, and would be a good pick up too
Would allow Doch to move up the ground a bit more as well
Mullett would suit your half back line really well I think, and would be even handier once Simmo retires
Quote from: Money Shot on November 01, 2017, 09:05:04 AM
We are looking to sign Aaron Mullet which is a bit of a surprise to me but in saying that he should be decent depth for us.
We have shown interest in Hartung, Stewart and Lennon but that doesn't seem to be going anywhere at this stage.
Thanks for the update. I don't see much Carlton news in the off-season and appreciate this.
What are supporters thoughts about the Blues getting 4 Friday night prime time games after a season with little success compared with quite a few other teams who performed better but got way less ? Pies a bit lucky as well I'll add to
As a Melb supporter, I was quite annoyed to see that.
But at the same time, it's not like we deserve Thursday/Friday night games anyway. After all, we haven't made finals for 11 years. I like to think we'll get more exposure once we start making finals, but precedents like this certainly worry me.
As a Carlton supporter, I'd be thrilled. It's the AFLs judgement, no yours, so make the most of it 8)
It puts them in the spotlight if they get some big losses.
Blues sponsors would be over the moon other teams sponsors maybe not so much
Yeah good for the sponsors I guess, regardless. And good in the sense that even if they do shower they'll still get decent prime time.
terrible news for Docherty and Carlton
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on November 15, 2017, 03:43:11 PM
terrible news for Docherty and Carlton
Yep bad luck for him and a big loos for the Blues
Quote from: shaker on November 15, 2017, 04:09:44 PM
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on November 15, 2017, 03:43:11 PM
terrible news for Docherty and Carlton
Yep bad luck for him and a big loos for the Blues
We are going to have another year in struggle town for sure now. Hopefully he has a speedy recovery and is fit and firing for 2019.
I think I might cry.
Quote from: fanTCfool on November 15, 2017, 09:13:29 PM
I've been crying for hours.
I read the Vickery news first in my emails about half an hour ago. I went on the AFL site to confirm and saw the story on Doc. Shattered :'(
I only did tear up when I opened my Facebook to see the post. I guess it was a good thing we got Mullet hey.
Byrne is the guy that will come into replace him. He had a tough season last year with the ACL. A combo of Mullet, Byrne, Simmo and Willo will be our rebounding backs. We are going to pick up O'Shea as a rookie as well for depth. He had a reallu good year in the VFL at HB for us. We could also grab Shaw as a DFA. He can play in that wing/HBF role.
L. Plowman, J. Weitering, L. Jones
K. Simpson, C. Marchbank, A. Mullet
E. Curnow, M. Kennedy, D. Lang
M. Wright, L. Casboult, D. Thomas
C. Curnow, H. McKay, J. Silvanghi
M. Kreuzer, P. Cripps, M. Murphy
S. Petrevski-Seten, Z. Fisher, T. Williamson, D. Cunningham
J. Pickett, C. Byrne, J. Lamb
That is what I'm thinking our starting line up will look like now that Docherty is out. Mullet is the closest resemblance to him as Williamson/Byrne don't rack up as much of the pill as Mullet does/will for us.
Lang and Kennedy come in and play more midfield minutes like promised.
McKay has to come out to play this season and develop along with all the other boys.
Graham is the one for me who I don't think is best 22 at this stage and I think he really needs to cement himself into our 22 which will be hard as he is stuck behind Cripps as they play the same role.
Graham, Kerridge, Byrne, Pickett and Lamb are all close to being in the best 22 and will be around the mark also.
Pick 3 and 8 will also push for selection.
hands off our pick 8 Money :P
Interesting draft. We needed to load up on the midfield this year with a ton of young KPP in place and SOS did just that. The picks tonight were:
Paddy Dow (3)
Lochie O'Brien (10)
Tom De Koning (30)
Angus Schumacher (70)
Jarrod Garlett (78)
With Brayshaw going at 2 I was curious to see if we would take LDU. Looking at all the stuff leading up to the draft Carlton really liked Dow and what he could bring to the team. However LDU is supposed to be a stud and a more complete midfielder at this point. Dow is supposed to play like Danger where he can burst from a stoppage and play up forward and be a problem for the opposition. We need goals out of our midfield to help replace the hole left by Gibbs. He also has versatility which is key with mids being able to rest forward and still have an influence.
O'Brien seems like the exact type of player we need and the type of player that Boekhorst was supposed to be. Someone that can cover the ground with an elite kick. What makes him even better is the fact he is a left footer that can supposedly kick on both feet which is rare. We need some class in the middle and he will give us that by the sounds of it.
De Koning is a ruck that can play forward. I think this is a key moving forward that if you're going to get a ruck he needs to be able to play in the forward line. We aren't very deep in the ruck and we need a young guy to blood behind Kreuz. Losing 2 of our back up ruck options and only bringing in Lobbe as a stop gap I expected us to grab a ruck at some point. De Koning must be the guy that SOS likes and we can give him the time to develop over the next 3-4 years without having to rush him.
Schumacher is another Bendigo player (3 out of 5) and another guy that's supposed to use the ball well. I think he is another left footer which seems to go hand in hand with good ball users. With Bolton coming from the Hawks and their game plan revolving around excellent ball users (and a ton of left footers) this makes sense as a late round pick.
Garlett is the biggest surprise. He quit footy to move back to Perth due to family illness and homesickness. An early-ish pick in the 2014 draft this is a good flyer to take. Worst case he doesn't pan out, we used the last pick of the draft on him. If he does work out we have a steal with his potential. Another mid/forward, he struggled at GC but with less pressure he could thrive. Funnily enough I was talking with my dad pre-draft and said we should grab Ryan if he fell to pick 30. We haven't really had a dominant small forward that can hit the scoreboard since Eddie and Jeff Garlett. We didn't get Ryan but we got a different Garlett.
So looking at our players by position currently on the list
KPD
Liam 'GOAT' Jones
Sam Rowe
Plow (although he is a tweener)
Marchbank
Weitering
Macreadie (see Plowman)
Silvagni
Glass-McCasker
Small/Rebounding Defenders
Simmo
Doc
Willow
Byrne
Mullett
Schumacher
Rucks
Kreuz
Phillips
Lobbe
De Koning
KPF
McKay
Silvagni (tweener)
Curnow
Kerr
Levi
HFF and Small Forwards
Wright
Daisy
Lamb
Fisher (could play some midfield)
Polson
Pickett
Lebois
Inside mids
Cripps
Kennedy
Curnow
Kerridge
Graham (could still be delisted)
Combo Mids
Murphy (inside and outside)
SPS (inside, outside and forward)
Cuningham (outside and forward)
Lang (outside and forward)
O'Brien (outside and HBF)
Dow (inside, outside and forward)
Garlett (outside and forward)