Player movements made will obviously NOT count for this 2015 season's finals.
Trades with different amounts of players/picks changing hands are allowed (i.e. 2-for-1 trades).
Future picks for the 2017 draft can be traded.
There is no trade voting for approval unless I receive an official complaint via message about a trade, after which it will be put to a vote. Please only complain if you really feel one team is winning by far too much - not just for slight inbalances.
As usual, one coach posts the trade and the other team/s coach/es will confirm it.
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Trade Talk: http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,107793.0.html
List of Confirmed Trades
First Trade Period (No Restrictions)
1. Santiago trade: 2016 NAT First Rounder
Houston trade: Chris Masten
2. New Brooklyn trade: Joe Daniher
Carolina trade: Angus Brayshaw
3. Ottawa trade: Jason Johannisen and Wayne Milera
New Brooklyn trade: Mark Blicavs and Jake Kolodjashnij
4. Houston trade: Ed Langdon and NAT Draft Pick #18
Ottawa trade: David Zaharakis
5. Boston trade: Second and Fifth Round NAT Picks
New Brooklyn give: Jack Grimes and Jack Sinclair
6. Colorado trade: Lachie Hunter
San Francisco trade: Jamie Elliott and NAT Pick #8
7. Colorado trade: Darcy Parish
New Brooklyn trade: Maverick Weller and James Frawley
8. Colorado trade: Sam Menegola, NAT Pick #27 (R3), and Rookie Pick 39 (R4)
Carolina trade: Jed Lamb and Michael Hartley
9. Santiago trade: David Armitage and Pick 31
Anaheim trade: Caleb Daniel and Darcy Tucker
10. Anaheim trade: Mason Wood, Jesse White, and NAT Second Round Pick
Colorado trade: David Mundy and Rookie Draft Third Round Pick
11. Santiago trade: Josh Jenkins
San Francisco trade: Kade Kolodjashnij
12. Ottawa trade: Marley Williams and NAT Draft Pick #40
Houston trade: Paul Puopolo
13. San Francisco trade: Cam Guthrie, Allen Christensen, Jonathan Ceglar, and NAT Pick 20
Boston trade: Jack Watts, Sharrod Wellingham, Josh Smith, and Aaron Young
14. Ottawa trade: Pearce Hanley, Billy Hartung, and Dylan Buckley
Boston trade: Jonathan Ceglar, Ryan Davis, and N20
15. Anaheim trade : Jack Hombsch and Billy Stretch
Las Vegas trade : Jordan Lewis
16. San Francisco trade: Tom Doedee, and NAT Picks 32 and 44
Houston trade: Bradley Hill and NAT Pick 40
17. Houston trade: Chris Masten
Colorado trade: NAT Picks 15 and 51 and RD Pick 15
18. Quito trade: Shane Savage, Corey Ellis, Jared Polec, and NAT Pick 14
Colorado trade: Ed Curnow, Adam Tomlinson, and NAT Pick 39
19. Houston trade: Chris Masten
Colorado trade: NAT Picks 15 and 51
20. Anaheim trade: Oleg Markov and Nathan Drummond
Ottawa trade: Luke Breust
21. Quito trade: Brendon Goddard
San Francisco trade: Josh Smith
22. Colorado trade: Dean Kent
Carolina trade: Matt Scharenberg
23. Houston trade: Darcy Moore + NAT Draft Picks 15 + 54
Las Vegas trade: Jack Ziebell + NAT Draft Pick 37
24. Quito trade: Toby McLean
Ottawa trade: National Pick #28
25. Boston trade: Connor Blakely and their Third Round Pick
Colorado trade: Jimmy Bartel and NAT Pick 8
26. Ottawa trade: James Aish and Mark Blicavs
Colorado trade: Alex Fasolo, Mason Wood, and NAT Pick 3
27. Ottawa trade: Jake Kolodjashnij
Carolina trade: Connor Menadue
28. Carolina trade: Mitch Brown + ND Picks #27 (Rd 3) + RD #39 ( Rd 4)
Colorado trade: Lin Jong + Brad McKenzie
29. Santiago trade: Ben Sinclair
Ottawa trade: Jack Lonie
30. Boston trade: Connor Blakely, Billy Hartung, and NAT Pick 36
Colorado trade: Jimmy Bartel and NAT Picks 8 and 27
31. Santiago trade: Sam Frost and Rookie Draft Pick 7
Colorado trade: Rookie Draft Pick 3
32. Houston trade: Tom Doedee
New Brooklyn trade: Kyle Langford
33. Boston trade: Matthew Wright and Ryan Bastinac
Quito trade: Chad Wingard
34. Anaheim trade: Paul Seedsman, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, and Aaron Vandenberg
Anaheim receive: Sam Mitchell and NAT Picks 36 and 39
Colorado trade: NAT Picks 14 and 36
Colorado receive: Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Aaron Vandenberg
Quito trade: Sam Mitchell and NAT Pick 39
Quito receive: Paul Seedsman and NAT Pick 14
35. New Brooklyn trade: NAT Picks 5, 29, and 41
Quito trade: Jack Steele, Jackson Thurlow, and Lachie Weller
36. Houston trade: NAT Picks 30 and 42
Chicago trade: Stewart Crameri and NAT Pick 33
37. Ottawa trade: Karl Amon
Carolina trade: David Myers
38. Houston trade: Dylan Roberton and Sean Lemmens
Carolina trade: Matthew Boyd and Will Hoskin-Elliot
39. Quito trade: Aaron Sandilands
Anaheim trade: David Swallow
TRADES UP TO THIS POINT INPUTTED TO OFFICIAL TEAM LISTS
40. Ottawa trade: Jake Melksham
Colorado trade: Sam Naismith
41. Colorado trade: RD Pick 7
Chicago trade: Sam Gibson
42. San Francisco trade: Oscar McDonald, Jed Anderson, Jarrod Garlett, and RD Pick 8
Chicago trade: Andrew Gaff, Josh Gibson, and Eric Hipwood
43. Houston trade: Rhys Stanley
Carolina trade: Shane Edwards and NAT Pick 23
44. Ottawa trade: Josh Hill and Jarryd Blair
Anaheim trade: NAT Picks 31 and 34
45. Carolina trade: Tom Bellchambers, and NAT Pick 35
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen, Harry McKay, and NAT Pick 46
46. Ottawa trade: NAT Pick 34
Anaheim trade: Ben McKay
47. Houston trade: NAT Pick 32
Chicago trade: Andrew Phillips
48. Boston trade: Mitch Robinson, Zac Clarke, and NAT Picks 8 and 27
Houston trade: Jack Darling and NAT Picks 6 and 33
49. Boston trade: NAT Pick 33
Anaheim trade: Kayne Turner
50. Boston trade: NAT Pick 12 and Jack Trengove
Santiago trade: NAT Pick 7
51. Santiago trade: Paul Ahern and NAT Pick 55
Colorado trade: NAT Pick 22
51. Boston trade: M. Wright and Nat picks 6 and 48
Quito trade: C. Wingard and T. Garner
52. Houston trade: Tom Phillips, Mitch Grigg, NAT Picks 8 and 51, and Rookie Pick 6
Quito trade: Michael Barlow and Kade Simpson
53. Colorado trade: Jobe Watson and Luke Hodge
Anaheim trade: Levi Greenwood, Jarryd Blair, and Bailey Williams
54. Boston trade: Nat Pick 7
New Brooklyn trade: Josh Schache and Brendan Ah Chee
55. Quito trade: Joel Smith and RD Pick 14
Chicago trade: RD Pick 9
56. Quito trade: Chris Yarran and NAT Pick 29
Santiago trade: NAT Pick 19
57. Quito trade: Garrick Ibbotson and NAT Pick #50
Anaheim trade: RD Pick #10
58. Boston trade: J.Wagner and RD Pick 24
Quito trade: E.Hughes and NAT Picks 28 and 38
59. Carolina trade : Luke Brown
Anaheim trade : Tom Bell
60. Santiago trade: RD Pick 31
Colorado trade: Will Minson
61. Anaheim trade: Levi Greenwood, Jarryd Blair, Luke Breust, Bailey Williams
Anaheim receive: Luke Hodge, Jobe Watson, NAT Pick 19
Colorado trade: Luke Hodge, Jobe Watson, Dean Towers
Colorado receive: Jarryd Blair, Levi Greenwood, Ryan Griffen
Quito trade: Pick 19, Ryan Griffen
Quito receive: Luke Breust, Dean Towers, Bailey Williams
62. Las Vegas trade: Nick Haynes
Quito trade: NAT Pick 14
63. Carolina trade: NAT Pick 11
Las Vegas trade: NAT Picks 13 and 25
64. Las Vegas trade: Christian Salem and NAT Pick 15
Chicago trade: NAT Pick 9
65. Anaheim trade: NAT Pick 19
Chicago trade: NAT Picks 30 and 32
66. Las Vegas trades: NAT Pick 14 and RD Pick 1
Las Vegas receives: NAT Pick 12 and RD Pick 3
Chicago trades: Liam Duggan
Chicago receives: RD Pick 1
Santiago trades: NAT Pick 12 and RD Pick 3
Santiago receive: Liam Duggan and NAT Pick 14
67. Carolina trade: RD Pick 51
Ottawa trade: Jake Neade
Second Trade Period (One-for-one trading only)
68. Chicago trade: Joel Selwood, Shane Kersten, and RD Pick 45
Boston trade: Mitch Wallis, Shannon Hurn, and Josh Schache
First trade to kick the period off
Santiago Give: 2016 NAT First Rounder
Houston Give: Chris Masten
I have huge doubts about Masten, but he provides immediate midfield depth for our side and we have already had 3 first rounders over the last two seasons (our 2014 off-season rebuild means that junior talent isn't a priority at this point).
Jay to Confirm
Quote from: powersuperkents on July 29, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
First trade to kick the period off
Santiago Give: 2016 NAT First Rounder
Houston Give: Chris Masten
I have huge doubts about Masten, but he provides immediate midfield depth for our side and we have already had 3 first rounders over the last two seasons (our 2014 off-season rebuild means that junior talent isn't a priority at this point).
Jay to Confirm
Confirm. Masten not a huge part of our long-term plans so happy to move him on for a draft pick.
Hawks Give: Joe Daniher.
Panthers Give: Angus Brayshaw.
Panthers needs a forward, I've got 20 of them, and Daniher will be a gun, but i've already got like 10 tall forwards... And Brayshaw is going to be a beast.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
Hawks Give: Joe Daniher.
Panthers Give: Angus Brayshaw.
Panthers needs a forward, I've got 20 of them, and Daniher will be a gun, but i've already got like 10 tall forwards... And Brayshaw is going to be a beast.
Confirm: Daniher fills out the Panthers Forward needs.
Otters give: Jason Johannisen + Wayne Milera
Hawks give: Mark Blicavs + Jake Kolodjashnij
Looking to cash in on JJ's good season (before and after the injury). I rate him, but I really need a decent mid and Blicavs as a 90avg mid is perfect. Milera is surplus to requirements in my forward line and JKolo softens the blow of losing JJ and I think his scoring can improve a bit more when the older Cats move on.
Marlon to confirm.
Houston give: Ed Langdon + NAT Draft Pick #18
Otters give: David Zaharakis
We were looking to gain some more quality in our midfield and Zaha fits the bill. He's had a down year but we're backing him to bounce back once his proper team returns. Langdon is a good young prospect and pick 18 should net the Otters a solid player.
Nige to confirm. :)
Quote from: Jay on August 04, 2016, 03:50:57 PM
Houston give: Ed Langdon + NAT Draft Pick #18
Otters give: David Zaharakis
We were looking to gain some more quality in our midfield and Zaha fits the bill. He's had a down year but we're backing him to bounce back once his proper team returns. Langdon is a good young prospect and pick 18 should net the Otters a solid player.
Nige to confirm. :)
Confirmed!
This is a somewhat linked to the other trade in that getting in Blitz allows me to part with Zaha. Ed Langdon's a good young player who I think should be a really good future F/M type that will score well once he's firmly best 22 whether that's at Freo or somewhere else. With a good portion of my list being on the younger side, Pick 18 slots into my plans nicely.
Quote from: Nige on August 04, 2016, 03:33:38 PM
Otters give: Jason Johannisen + Wayne Milera
Hawks give: Mark Blicavs + Jake Kolodjashnij
Looking to cash in on JJ's good season (before and after the injury). I rate him, but I really need a decent mid and Blicavs as a 90avg mid is perfect. Milera is surplus to requirements in my forward line and JKolo softens the blow of losing JJ and I think his scoring can improve a bit more when the older Cats move on.
Marlon to confirm.
Confirmed. Got plenty of gun Midfielders coming up. Need good defenders.
Boston give: Second Round Nat Pick + Fifth Round Nat Pick
Hawks give: Jack Grimes + Jack Sinclair
Seems a lot to pay for a bloke who can't get a game at Melbourne and an inconsistent small forward but punts must be taken.
Pk to confirm.
Confirmed. Will find a beast at pick 24 when Ele wins it all
Colorado give: Lachie Hunter
San Francisco give: ND Pick #8 + Jamie Elliott
Colorado looking for a remodel obviously. Happy to take a punt on Elliott coming back strongly and a 2nd 1st Rd ND pick very handy. Hunter a star but will be reshaping the team.
Jukesy to confirm.
Colorado again.
Colorado gives: D.Parish
New Brooklyn gives: M.Weller + James Frawley
Another link in the Colorado makeover. Both players best 22 so very usefiul. Parish a gun in the making for New Brooklyn.
PK to confirm
D FRAWLEY?!
GOLLLLDEN FIST
Jukes is just hoarding mids at this point hahaha.
Quote from: elephants on August 04, 2016, 10:19:39 PM
D FRAWLEY?!
GOLLLLDEN FIST
I saw that website...Whoa :-[ 8)
Sorted.
Colorado gives: Sam Menegola + ND #27 (Rd 3)+ RD #39 ( Rd 4)
Carolina gives: Jed Lamb + Michael Hartley
Picking up a depth Fwd and Defender with potential, Carolina a young Cat mid who has shown a fair bit and some picks.
NAS to confirm.
Quote from: T Dog on August 04, 2016, 10:37:03 PM
Colorado gives: Sam Menegola + ND #27 (Rd 3)+ RD #39 ( Rd 4)
Carolina gives: Jed Lamb + Michael Hartley
Picking up a depth Fwd and Defender with potential, Carolina a young Cat mid who has shown a fair bit and some picks.
NAS to confirm.
Confirm Panthers looking forward & Sam fits the Squad, as well as some picks.
Quote from: T Dog on August 04, 2016, 09:55:51 PM
Colorado give: Lachie Hunter
San Francisco give: ND Pick #8 + Jamie Elliott
Colorado looking for a remodel obviously. Happy to take a punt on Elliott coming back strongly and a 2nd 1st Rd ND pick very handy. Hunter a star but will be reshaping the team.
Jukesy to confirm.
Confirmed
Elliott is very talented and if he can fulfill this and stay fit he'll be a superstar, and 8 could be decent - but Hunter is a gun and we need them :3
Quote from: T Dog on August 04, 2016, 10:08:20 PM
Colorado again.
Colorado gives: D.Parish
New Brooklyn gives: M.Weller + James Frawley
Another link in the Colorado makeover. Both players best 22 so very usefiul. Parish a gun in the making for New Brooklyn.
PK to confirm
Parish is life. Confirmed.
Santiago Cockerels trade David Armitage + Pick 31
Anaheim Mighty Ducks trade C Daniel + Darcy Tucker
makes sense for our Premiership push next year plus have another similar deal coming
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 05, 2016, 05:31:33 PM
Santiago Cockerels trade David Armitage + Pick 31
Anaheim Mighty Ducks trade C Daniel + Darcy Tucker
makes sense for our Premiership push next year plus have another similar deal coming
Confirmed
We badly need a rebounding defender and I rate Tucker as one of the best young rebounding defenders in the comp and I'm a big Caleb Daniel fan. They both fit the club profile for the sort of young-mid aged players I aspire to build the club around.
Anaheim Mighty Ducks NAT 2nd round pick + Mason Wood + Jesse White
Colorado Avalanche trade David Mundy + RD 3rd round pick
same reasons as previous trade
Does T Dog have any mids left? :o
Quote from: Nige on August 05, 2016, 06:26:56 PM
Does T Dog have any mids left? :o
Can I have some of yours Nige .. lol ;)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 05, 2016, 06:02:52 PM
Anaheim Mighty Ducks NAT 2nd round pick + Mason Wood + Jesse White
Colorado Avalanche trade David Mundy + RD 3rd round pick
same reasons as previous trade
Colorado confirms. Have been covering off our exposure to the M/F changes that may happen next season to Hall, Sam Gray, Jong and Hutchings. This and change in Age profile this trade achieves makes it a valuable one for Colorado.
Quote from: T Dog on August 05, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
Quote from: Nige on August 05, 2016, 06:26:56 PM
Does T Dog have any mids left? :o
Can I have some of yours Nige .. lol ;)
I'm trying to find some myself. :P
I love this attempt by KB to challenge Boston - as long as we remain as far away from SF as possible, nobody is beating Boston.
Santiago Gives: Josh Jenkins
San Francisco Gives: Kade Kolodjashnij
It's sad to see Jenkins go, however Santiago acquire my favourite young defender (also gives the Cockerel's 5 of the GCS' back 6 players).
Jukes to confirm
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 06, 2016, 06:26:07 PM
Santiago Gives: Josh Jenkins
San Francisco Gives: Kade Kolodjashnij
It's sad to see Jenkins go, however Santiago acquire my favourite young defender (also gives the Cockerel's 5 of the GCS' back 6 players).
Jukes to confirm
Confirmed, both these guys are equally very talented, just needing forwards a bit more aha
Otters give: Marley Williams + NAT Draft Pick #40
Houston give: Paul Puopolo
Pretty simple swap of a forward and defender here of similar value. We think Marley is better than what he has shown this season, and although we rate Puopolo as a really solid starting forward, the extra draft pick was enough to get the deal done.
Nige to confirm.
Quote from: Jay on August 06, 2016, 10:22:42 PM
Otters give: Marley Williams + NAT Draft Pick #40
Houston give: Paul Puopolo
Pretty simple swap of a forward and defender here of similar value. We think Marley is better than what he has shown this season, and although we rate Puopolo as a really solid starting forward, the extra draft pick was enough to get the deal done.
Nige to confirm.
Confirmed.
Not sure whether Marley's gonna be a part of our future plans and needed a consistent starting forward. Poppy is exactly that and I'm a big fan.
San Francisco trade: Cam Guthrie, Allen Christensen, Jonathan Ceglar, and NAT Pick 20
Boston trade: Jack Watts, Sharrod Wellingham, Josh Smith, and Aaron Young
Rivals at it! Give up a couple strong talents and a high pick, but Watts is the next GOAT and we get a few potential nice players
Quote from: Jukes on August 07, 2016, 12:15:50 AM
San Francisco trade: Cam Guthrie, Allen Christensen, Jonathan Ceglar, and NAT Pick 20
Boston trade: Jack Watts, Sharrod Wellingham, Josh Smith, and Aaron Young
Rivals at it! Give up a couple strong talents and a high pick, but Watts is the next GOAT and we get a few potential nice players
Confirmed.
Giving up Watts was hard. I'm a firm believer in his abilities and especially his SC potency. It'll hurt seeing him destroy for San Fran for the next 5+ years.
Happy with what I got in return though. I'd turn for Guthrie and if Christensen stays fit he can be a lovely contributor under this scoring system. Cegs is more sexy ruck depth and the pick is handy for sussing the next generation!
Otters give: Pearce Hanley, Billy Hartung + Dylan Buckley
Boston give: Jonathan Ceglar, Ryan Davis + N20
A big part of the reason I struggled to make finals was Big Boy not being able to cut it in the ruck. Ceglar past him and is the better player now and slots in nicely as a potential starter and back up to Nic Nat. Davis should hopefully have M/F in 2017 and N20 slots in to my plans having already got N16 and N18 as well. I reckon I've got the depth and picks to cover losing Hanley and Hartung plus Buckley was gonna be delisted by me.
ele to confirm!
Quote from: Nige on August 07, 2016, 11:49:46 AM
Otters give: Pearce Hanley, Billy Hartung + Dylan Buckley
Boston give: Jonathan Ceglar, Ryan Davis + N20
A big part of the reason I struggled to make finals was Big Boy not being able to cut it in the ruck. Ceglar past him and is the better player now and slots in nicely as a potential starter and back up to Nic Nat. Davis should hopefully have M/F in 2017 and N20 slots in to my plans having already got N16 and N18 as well. I reckon I've got the depth and picks to cover losing Hanley and Hartung plus Buckley was gonna be delisted by me.
ele to confirm!
Confirmed
In my opinion Hanley has all the attributes to be a better fantasy player than he is, I see him as more than an 80s average mid. Hoping some time in the Boston system can extract his best! Hartung is a solid prospect while I reckon Buckley has what it takes provided he's played in the back half. Cegs and N20 were at Boston for less than 24 hours so there's no emotional attachment there while Davis is much more than the filthy Swan Districts hack he's been described to me as before!
Cheers Nige!
Anaheim Give : Jack Hombsch + Billie Stretch
Las Vegas Give : Jordan Lewis
Lewis is a gun we are sad to lose, but we are trying to realign our teams age profile and these guys will hopefully ripen nice and quick
Quote from: SydneyRox on August 08, 2016, 02:02:14 PM
Anaheim Give : Jack Hombsch + Billie Stretch
Las Vegas Give : Jordan Lewis
Lewis is a gun we are sad to lose, but we are trying to realign our teams age profile and these guys will hopefully ripen nice and quick
#Ducks2017
San Francisco trade: Tom Doedee, and NAT Picks 32 and 44
Houston trade: Bradley Hill and NAT Pick 40
Doedee is a decent project player and we give up pick our highest pick left, but Hill should be decent depth, whether at the Hawks or Freo.
Quote from: Jukes on August 08, 2016, 05:40:50 PM
San Francisco trade: Tom Doedee, and NAT Picks 32 and 44
Houston trade: Bradley Hill and NAT Pick 40
Doedee is a decent project player and we give up pick our highest pick left, but Hill should be decent depth, whether at the Hawks or Freo.
Confirm. I like Doedee and think he will be a good player. Also getting more picks in the draft is handy.
Houston give: Chris Masten
Colorado give: NAT Pick 15, Rookie Pick 15, NAT Pick 51
Masten is surplus to our needs, and looking to get some fresh talent in through the draft.
TDog to confirm.
Quote from: Jay on August 08, 2016, 10:02:04 PM
Houston give: Chris Masten
Colorado give: NAT Pick 15, Rookie Pick 15, NAT Pick 51
Masten is surplus to our needs, and looking to get some fresh talent in through the draft.
TDog to confirm.
Confirm. Bringing in a good depth mid . Have other picks to use.
Ducks trade Oleg Markov + Nathan Drummond
Ottawa trade Luke Breust
Breust is a mediocre forward but at least reliable to play each week this trade is similar to others i have done so far
Quito give: Shane Savage + ND Pick #14 + J. Polec, + C. Ellis
Colorado give: Ed Curnow + ND Pick #39 + A. Tomlinson
First trade for myself since taking over Qutio!
Savage is a loss down back, but I am expecting Callum Mills to fill that void.
Curnow slots in nicely to an ageing midfield, and as T Dog will tell you, he's my boy!
Tomlinson looks likely to be traded from the Giants soon, so I am hopeful he can perform well at a new home.
T Dog to confirm.
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 09, 2016, 01:42:56 PM
Quito give: Shane Savage + ND Pick #14 + J. Polec, + C. Ellis
Colorado give: Ed Curnow + ND Pick #39 + A. Tomlinson
First trade for myself since taking over Qutio!
Savage is a loss down back, but I am expecting Callum Mills to fill that void.
Curnow slots in nicely to an ageing midfield, and as T Dog will tell you, he's my boy!
Tomlinson looks likely to be traded from the Giants soon, so I am hopeful he can perform well at a new home.
T Dog to confirm.
T Dog confirms. Savage , Polec and Ellis all have good potential. The ND pick upgrade very handy.
Curnow and his new coach will be like the Eddie and Bux of the Blues.
So after talks with Jay and T Dog about the Masten trade (the trade received 4 approval votes and 5 rejection votes), we have decided that removing Rookie Draft #15 from the trade will balance it and make it a fairer trade.
Houston trade: Chris Masten
Colorado trade: NAT Picks 15 and 51
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 09, 2016, 12:00:14 PM
Ducks trade Oleg Markov + Nathan Drummond
Ottawa trade Luke Breust
Breust is a mediocre forward but at least reliable to play each week this trade is similar to others i have done so far
Confirmed.
Breust is reliable, but I'm banking on Oleg and Drummo to cement their spots in the Tiges 22 and reckon they will. Also think they both have scope to be better than Breust going forward and I wanted the youth.
Haha Nige! I knew you wouldn't be able to resist a slice of Oleg! ;D
Trade #2 Coming in for Quito!
Quito give: Brendon Goddard
San Francisco give: Josh Smith
How long does Goddard have left? Who knows, he just asked the Bombers for a 4-Year Contract!
Hopeful that Josh Smith can snag D/M status, if not Def only, and is expected to replace McVeigh/Simpson when the time comes.
Jukes to confirm.
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 09, 2016, 08:05:35 PM
Trade #2 Coming in for Quito!
Quito give: Brendon Goddard
San Francisco give: Josh Smith
How long does Goddard have left? Who knows, he just asked the Bombers for a 4-Year Contract!
Hopeful that Josh Smith can snag D/M status, if not Def only, and is expected to replace McVeigh/Simpson when the time comes.
Jukes to confirm.
Confirmed, Smith has potential but we want results now and hopefully Goddard can be a best-XVIII guy for 2-3 years for us.
Colorado and Panthers exchanging depth.
Colorado give: Dean Kent
Carolina give: Matt Scharenberg.
A Colorado favorite in Schazza geting on board. Carolina after a fwd.
Quote from: T Dog on August 10, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
Colorado and Panthers exchanging depth.
Colorado give: Dean Kent
Carolina give: Matt Scharenberg.
A Colorado favorite in Schazza geting on board. Carolina after a fwd.
Confirm.
Sorry to see Shaz go, but a needed another forward.
Houston give: Darcy Moore + NAT Draft Picks 15 + 54
Las Vegas: Jack Ziebell + NAT Draft Pick 37
Darcy Moore obviously has huge potential to be a gun forward. However was willing to move him on for a fringe premium mid, and I'm a big Ziebell fan. The picks just balance it out, Las Vegas should be able to find some quality at #15.
Quote from: Jay on August 11, 2016, 12:20:37 PM
Houston give: Darcy Moore + NAT Draft Picks 15 + 54
Las Vegas: Jack Ziebell + NAT Draft Pick 37
Darcy Moore obviously has huge potential to be a gun forward. However was willing to move him on for a fringe premium mid, and I'm a big Ziebell fan. The picks just balance it out, Las Vegas should be able to find some quality at #15.
Confirm. We have a couple of younger guys who should hopefully replicate Ziebell next year, but looking to the future when Buddy/Tippett/Walker move on, Moore should be firing by then.
Quito give: Toby McLean
Ottawa give: National Pick #28
Nice and simple one this time.
A 20 year old with potential being exchanged for a National Pick with potential.
Pick 28 should bring in a good player, Dunkley and Clarke were taken around this mark last year.
Nige to confirm.
Nige hoarding Nat Picks in the 15-30 range. Love his work!
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2016, 06:51:10 PM
Nige hoarding Nat Picks in the 15-30 range. Love his work!
Nige gave away his pick haha
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 11, 2016, 06:59:20 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2016, 06:51:10 PM
Nige hoarding Nat Picks in the 15-30 range. Love his work!
Nige gave away his pick haha
Been at uni since 6am and won't be leaving until 10pm. Thats what this place will do to ya haha
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 11, 2016, 06:45:46 PM
Quito give: Toby McLean
Ottawa give: National Pick #28
Nice and simple one this time.
A 20 year old with potential being exchanged for a National Pick with potential.
Pick 28 should bring in a good player, Dunkley and Clarke were taken around this mark last year.
Nige to confirm.
Confirmed.
I reckon this a good price for Toby. I rate him massively and reckon he's gonna have a proper breakout year in 2017!
Boston Give: Connor Blakely + Third Round Pick
Colorado Give: N8 + Jimmy Bartel
The Dawg to confirm
Quote from: elephants on August 11, 2016, 10:48:47 PM
Boston Give: Connor Blakely + Third Round Pick
Colorado Give: N8 + Jimmy Bartel
The Dawg to confirm
Colorado confirms. Blakely a gun on the rise, Jimmy a gun in decline. N8 a valuable commodity.
Ottawa give: James Aish + Mark Blicavs
Colorado give: N3, Alex Fasolo + Mason Wood
Losing two good mids hurts and I was reluctant to do so unless I got the right deal, but with N3 added to my collection, I now have 5 picks in the top 20 (3, 4 16, 18, 20) and that allows me to replenish my team with good young mids, a number of which are chances to play straight away. Wood and Fas have both shown that they can score really well when fit and can be starters.
T Dog to confirm.
Quote from: Nige on August 12, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
Ottawa give: James Aish + Mark Blicavs
Colorado give: N3, Alex Fasolo + Mason Wood
Losing two good mids hurts and I was reluctant to do so unless I got the right deal, but with N3 added to my collection, I now have 5 picks in the top 20 (3, 4 16, 18, 20) and that allows me to replenish my team with good young mids, a number of which are chances to play straight away. Wood and Fas have both shown that they can score really well when fit and can be starters.
T Dog to confirm.
Colorado confirms. Very happy getting the 2 mids. Have enough depth to cover the outgoings.
Ottawa give: Jake Kolodjashnij
Carolina give: Connor Menadue
Need the depth mid more than I need the depth defender at this stage plus I reckon Menadue's a decent chance to keep F/M.
nas to confirm.
Quote from: Nige on August 13, 2016, 11:58:44 AM
Ottawa give: Jake Kolodjashnij
Carolina give: Connor Menadue
Need the depth mid more than I need the depth defender at this stage plus I reckon Menadue's a decent chance to keep F/M.
nas to confirm.
Confirm
Needed a bit more depth down back & Ottawa get another young Mid/ Fwd.
Panthers give: Mitch Brown + ND Picks #27 (Rd 3) + #39 ( Rd 4).
Colorado give: Lin Jong + Brad McKenzie.
Needed some more depth in the Mid field & with the M/F of Jong provides depth in both lines.
Colorado gets both picks back from previous trade for upcoming of teams list expansions.
T Dog to confirm.
Quote from: nas on August 13, 2016, 07:05:21 PM
Panthers give: Mitch Brown + ND Picks #27 (Rd 3) + #39 ( Rd 4).
Colorado give: Lin Jong + Brad McKenzie.
Needed some more depth in the Mid field & with the M/F of Jong provides depth in both lines.
Colorado gets both picks back from previous trade for upcoming of teams list expansions.
T Dog to confirm.
Colorado confirms. Bringing in a back with upside in a trade of Depth. Sad to lose 2 personal favorites in Jong and McKenzie but they are not backs with upside.
Santiago Gives: Ben Sinclair
Ottawa Gives: Jack Lonie
Simple trade really. Ottawa want defensive depth... Santiago wants forward depth
Nige to confirm
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 13, 2016, 09:58:12 PM
Santiago Gives: Ben Sinclair
Ottawa Gives: Jack Lonie
Simple trade really. Ottawa want defensive depth... Santiago wants forward depth
Nige to confirm
Confirmed!
Pretty much as PSK said. A former Santiago Otter returns to the coach who originally drafted him. 8)
Quote from: T Dog on August 13, 2016, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: nas on August 13, 2016, 07:05:21 PM
Panthers give: Mitch Brown + ND Picks #27 (Rd 3) + #39 ( Rd 4).
Colorado give: Lin Jong + Brad McKenzie.
Needed some more depth in the Mid field & with the M/F of Jong provides depth in both lines.
Colorado gets both picks back from previous trade for upcoming of teams list expansions.
T Dog to confirm.
Colorado confirms. Bringing in a back with upside in a trade of Depth. Sad to lose 2 personal favorites in Jong and McKenzie but they are not backs with upside.
One thing guys - NAT Pick 39 belongs to Quito I believe - is this a mistake?
Quote from: Jukes on August 14, 2016, 07:00:30 PM
Quote from: T Dog on August 13, 2016, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: nas on August 13, 2016, 07:05:21 PM
Panthers give: Mitch Brown + ND Picks #27 (Rd 3) + #39 ( Rd 4).
Colorado give: Lin Jong + Brad McKenzie.
Needed some more depth in the Mid field & with the M/F of Jong provides depth in both lines.
Colorado gets both picks back from previous trade for upcoming of teams list expansions.
T Dog to confirm.
Colorado confirms. Bringing in a back with upside in a trade of Depth. Sad to lose 2 personal favorites in Jong and McKenzie but they are not backs with upside.
One thing guys - NAT Pick 39 belongs to Quito I believe - is this a mistake?
That Pick as well as the other originated in trade #8
Quote from: nas on August 14, 2016, 07:05:20 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 14, 2016, 07:00:30 PM
Quote from: T Dog on August 13, 2016, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: nas on August 13, 2016, 07:05:21 PM
Panthers give: Mitch Brown + ND Picks #27 (Rd 3) + #39 ( Rd 4).
Colorado give: Lin Jong + Brad McKenzie.
Needed some more depth in the Mid field & with the M/F of Jong provides depth in both lines.
Colorado gets both picks back from previous trade for upcoming of teams list expansions.
T Dog to confirm.
Colorado confirms. Bringing in a back with upside in a trade of Depth. Sad to lose 2 personal favorites in Jong and McKenzie but they are not backs with upside.
One thing guys - NAT Pick 39 belongs to Quito I believe - is this a mistake?
That Pick as well as the other originated in trade #8
Oh right, it's a Rookie Draft pick - I saw it as a NAT pick being traded. Cheers for helping me clear that up.
Trade #25 revisited.
Boston gives: Blakely + Hartung + N36
Colorado gives: N8 + Bartel + N27
Colorado very happy with great get of the Blakely / Hartung young mid double act. I like what they have both shown to date.
N27 my lowest ND pick at this stage, N8 and Bartel carry their own risks.
Boston to confirm.
Quote from: T Dog on August 15, 2016, 12:25:41 PM
Trade #25 revisited.
Boston gives: Blakely + Hartung + N36
Colorado gives: N8 + Bartel + N27
Colorado very happy with great get of the Blakely / Hartung young mid double act. I like what they have both shown to date.
N27 my lowest ND pick at this stage, N8 and Bartel carry their own risks.
Boston to confirm.
Confirmed.
Sad to see Blakely and Hartung go as together they are the future of my midfield I believe, though I'm happy to secure Nat Pick 8 and I can hopefully find someone as good as these boys if not better for 5-6 years down the track.
Jimmy hasn't got a contract for next season yet but I'm backing him in to go another 12 months. Chris Idiot Scott has me nervous though!
Santiago give: Rookie Draft Pick 7 and Sam Frost
Colorado gives: Rookie Draft Pick 3
Santiago has 4 players short-listed in the rookie draft and this guarantees, at least, one of them. Colorado gain R/F depth for a minor pick downgrade
T Dog to confirm
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 15, 2016, 08:32:42 PM
Santiago give: Rookie Draft Pick 7 and Sam Frost
Colorado gives: Rookie Draft Pick 3
Santiago has 4 players short-listed in the rookie draft and this guarantees, at least, one of them. Colorado gain R/F depth for a minor pick downgrade
T Dog to confirm
T Dog confirms. Frost a handy get in a RD trade shuffle for us.
Houston give: Tom Doedee
Hawks give: Kyle Langford
Easy trade here, just exchanging depth. I think both of these guys will be good players.
PK to confirm.
Quote from: Jay on August 15, 2016, 09:19:56 PM
Houston give: Tom Doedee
Hawks give: Kyle Langford
Easy trade here, just exchanging depth. I think both of these guys will be good players.
PK to confirm.
Easy enough for me. Doedee goes in if Talia or Lever get injured. So now I have all 3. Langford will be a gun for sure. But I only have 11 defenders.... Not enough.
Confirmed.
Ducks give Paul Seedsman + Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti + Aaron Vandenberg Ducks get Sam Mitchell + N36 + N39
Colorado Avalanche Give N14 + N36 Colorado get Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti + Aaron Vandenberg
Quito Qeutzals Give Sam Mitchell + N39 Quito get Paul Seedsman + N14
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 16, 2016, 08:43:40 PM
Ducks give Paul Seedsman + Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti + Aaron Vandenberg Ducks get Sam Mitchell + N36 + N39
Colorado Avalanche Give N14 + N36 Colorado get Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti + Aaron Vandenberg
Quito Qeutzals Give Sam Mitchell + N39 Quito get Paul Seedsman + N14
Colorado confirm. Vandenberg and McD-T handy depth
Quote from: T Dog on August 16, 2016, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 16, 2016, 08:43:40 PM
Ducks give Paul Seedsman + Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti + Aaron Vandenberg Ducks get Sam Mitchell + N36 + N39
Colorado Avalanche Give N14 + N36 Colorado get Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti + Aaron Vandenberg
Quito Qeutzals Give Sam Mitchell + N39 Quito get Paul Seedsman + N14
Colorado confirm. Vandenberg and McD-T handy depth
Quito confirm. Don't mind Seeds as a player, he's shown enough to give up Pick 39.
Mitchell will be done by 2017, so it's better for a struggling team to get something in return for him now rather than waiting for his retirement next year. Pick 14 returns to Quito and should bring home a good player.
New Brooklyn Give: National Picks #5, #29 & #41
Quito Give: Jack Steele + Jackson Thurlow + Lachie Weller
Each pick roughly corresponds to the player listed below it, hopeful I can continue Memph's success in the National Draft
PK to Confirm
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 17, 2016, 12:23:38 AM
New Brooklyn Give: National Picks #5, #29 & #41
Quito Give: Jack Steele + Jackson Thurlow + Lachie Weller
Each pick roughly corresponds to the player listed below it, hopeful I can continue Memph's success in the National Draft
PK to Confirm
Hard for me to trade off a top 5 picks. Very good talent in this years draft, but the 2 guys I got in mind for that pick won't score well for 3-4 years, and i'm hoping with my young strong team coming up, I can challenge it before then. Hoping Thurlow will be fine after his ACL injury, and hope that Steele and Weller break out next season. Could be very valuable utilities next year. Mainly if Steele goes to the Saints ;)
New Brooklyn Hawks Give: Lewis Taylor + Reece Conca
Ottawa Otters Give: Adam Treloar + Brayden Fiorini
Just trading guns for guns here. Lewis Taylor will be a top 10 player in a few years time, surely.
Nig to confirm.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 18, 2016, 04:38:46 PM
New Brooklyn Hawks Give: Lewis Taylor + Reece Conca
Ottawa Otters Give: Adam Treloar + Brayden Fiorini
Just trading guns for guns here. Lewis Taylor will be a top 10 player in a few years time, surely.
Nig to confirm.
Can't confirm. As much as I love Squizz and have Tiger bias towards Concz, Baeloar and Fiorini and my C and VC for the next 10 years. :)
you would of got a better forward for Treloar if you said you were taking offers
Quote from: Nige on August 18, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 18, 2016, 04:38:46 PM
New Brooklyn Hawks Give: Lewis Taylor + Reece Conca
Ottawa Otters Give: Adam Treloar + Brayden Fiorini
Just trading guns for guns here. Lewis Taylor will be a top 10 player in a few years time, surely.
Nig to confirm.
Can't confirm. As much as I love Squizz and have Tiger bias towards Concz, Baeloar and Fiorini and my C and VC for the next 10 years. :)
#coldfeet
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2016, 04:43:48 PM
you would of got a better forward for Treloar if you said you were taking offers
Read carefully. Wasn't a legit trade. Pk wasn't living out a fantasy.
Quote from: Nige on August 18, 2016, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2016, 04:43:48 PM
you would of got a better forward for Treloar if you said you were taking offers
Read carefully. Wasn't a legit trade. Pk wasn't living out a fantasy.
your post wasnt there when i opened the thread
Hey Jukesy,
Trade #33 involving Wingard was not confirmed and will not be going ahead, Boston has also since removed the post.
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 18, 2016, 11:35:14 PM
Hey Jukesy,
Trade #33 involving Wingard was not confirmed and will not be going ahead, Boston has also since removed the post.
Cheers to @psk ;)
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 12:41:53 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 18, 2016, 11:35:14 PM
Hey Jukesy,
Trade #33 involving Wingard was not confirmed and will not be going ahead, Boston has also since removed the post.
Cheers to @psk ;)
What can I say... We've got to make sure that our new coaches aren't exploited
#worsethantheBarteltrade ;)
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 19, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 12:41:53 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 18, 2016, 11:35:14 PM
Hey Jukesy,
Trade #33 involving Wingard was not confirmed and will not be going ahead, Boston has also since removed the post.
Cheers to @psk ;)
What can I say... We've got to make sure that our new coaches aren't exploited
#worsethantheBarteltrade ;)
I thought fanTCfool won that trade
Wright = Wingard
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 19, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 12:41:53 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 18, 2016, 11:35:14 PM
Hey Jukesy,
Trade #33 involving Wingard was not confirmed and will not be going ahead, Boston has also since removed the post.
Cheers to @psk ;)
What can I say... We've got to make sure that our new coaches aren't exploited
#worsethantheBarteltrade ;)
I'm not gonna make a thing of this, but its pretty average form to talk someone out of a trade before its been confirmed.
The competition has rules and regulations in place to ensure lop-sided trades do not pass.
If you believed a new coach was losing the trade, use your vote to reject it? Everyone has different opinions/valuations on players.
My opinion, but I think you're way out of line on this one mate.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 19, 2016, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 19, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 12:41:53 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 18, 2016, 11:35:14 PM
Hey Jukesy,
Trade #33 involving Wingard was not confirmed and will not be going ahead, Boston has also since removed the post.
Cheers to @psk ;)
What can I say... We've got to make sure that our new coaches aren't exploited
#worsethantheBarteltrade ;)
I thought fanTCfool won that trade
Wright = Wingard
Case in point.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 19, 2016, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 19, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 12:41:53 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 18, 2016, 11:35:14 PM
Hey Jukesy,
Trade #33 involving Wingard was not confirmed and will not be going ahead, Boston has also since removed the post.
Cheers to @psk ;)
What can I say... We've got to make sure that our new coaches aren't exploited
#worsethantheBarteltrade ;)
I thought fanTCfool won that trade
Wright = Wingard
Mate Wright is only contracted until the end of this season in a rebuilding club... It's unlikely he will be there for a significant amount of time.
& Bastinac is a spud
Wingard is 23 years old and has averaged approximately 100pg on two occasions in his career and could average +100ppg for 3-5 remaining seasons in his career + possesses permanent forward status...
How many times has Wright or Bastinac even reached the 90ppg barrier.
I'm sorry but players like Wingard, Gunston, Hogan etc. are worth the equivalent of a 100ppg mid, not two fringe players.
I'm not the only one who talked him out of it either... and a lot of coaches were ready with complaints
i agree with ele
voice complaints about a trade to admin so the rest of the comp can vote
as it's just your opinion not everyone may share the same view
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 19, 2016, 01:56:25 PM
i agree with ele
voice complaints about a trade to admin so the rest of the comp can vote
as it's just your opinion not everyone may share the same view
Again, he was also talked out of it by someone who is a casual observer of our comp...
I'm not the only one.
You're completely missing the point.
There are channels that you can utilise to stop trades from happening. If you're so sure there were multiple other coaches lining up, why did you feel the need to go behind the backs of everybody and stop the trade from happening? You've taken advantage of FTC and his openness to your 'opinions' and it clearly shows you do not trust the ability of the competition as a whole to reject the trade if it needs rejecting.
Your analysis of Wright and Bastinac is laughable. Wright will probably finish top 5 in Carlton's best and fairest this season and his average was pushing into the high 80s. Bastinac has become a key cog in the Lions midfield, a team that is ready to go once their key position stocks have developed. Both players have received interest from other coaches, so should we take your opinion on them as gospel? How about we disband the voting system and let PSK assign every player a value and allow him to adjudicate all trades.
This seems out of character for you PSK. Always thought you were pretty good in terms of self-awareness and ability to abide by competition expectations and values.
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 02:12:33 PM
You're completely missing the point.
There are channels that you can utilise to stop trades from happening. If you're so sure there were multiple other coaches lining up, why did you feel the need to go behind the backs of everybody and stop the trade from happening? You've taken advantage of FTC and his openness to your 'opinions' and it clearly shows you do not trust the ability of the competition as a whole to reject the trade if it needs rejecting.
Your analysis of Wright and Bastinac is laughable. Wright will probably finish top 5 in Carlton's best and fairest this season and his average was pushing into the high 80s. Bastinac has become a key cog in the Lions midfield, a team that is ready to go once their key position stocks have developed. Both players have received interest from other coaches, so should we take your opinion on them as gospel? How about we disband the voting system and let PSK assign every player a value and allow him to adjudicate all trades.
This seems out of character for you PSK. Always thought you were pretty good in terms of self-awareness and ability to abide by competition expectations and values.
I wasn't the only one.
There was another user who told him the exact same thing (and I don't know if this guy was an assistant coach or a casual observer). So my comments made no difference regardless. I had been in discussions with him before and the negotiation consideration was shaping to be Mitch Duncan + a first/second round NAT pick (which is more around the value of one of the most valuable young forwards in fantasy football). Ultimately, this was impossible due to Armitage's departure and, therefore, Wingard was fair game. But the trade he settled for was considerably lopsided. My comments were merely;
"Mate I (and most other coaches) would have offered you a better deal than that for Wingard" - official message
Note: FTC's reply is privileged... but my response was not what "talked him out of it"
I have become skeptical of this rejection system because all it does is force coaches to alter their trades to frame them in a way that permits the same substantive trade, however, in a manner less open to scrutiny. Some trades are effectively rectified, however, the solution for many others is swap some picks or add a player who may play a game or two (although the addition of Hartung did even up the Bartel trade). At the end of the day we have to admit that some players are unlikely to be more than fringe players and NAT picks are valued quite highly, however, besides the top 3 picks, they are very risky. Furthermore, no coach will complain about the same trade twice. I shamefully admit that even I've taken advantage of these tactics.
The one thing I do see is a trend of lopsided trades regarding certain coaches. There's nothing wrong with trading to improve the team, however, certain coaches will only trade if it tilts in their favour. I have nothing against self-interest, however, problems arise once there is a discrepancy in bargaining power. Specifically, when there are disproportionate amounts of premiums among clubs, it becomes harder for weaker/rebuilding clubs to trade without sacrificing their sources of short-term competitiveness. There's no problem with that, however, young players are risky in themselves and the worst case scenario for these top clubs is that they may miss out on the possibility that one young player may actually become a regular premium in a competitive sport. Conversely, the gain is an established player at the price of the weaker sides competitive abilities.
Finally, I know some coaches get carried away by the notion that they designate players as 'must trades' because of influxes in offers. But usually, esp. when subject to questionable bargaining tactics from other coaches, they forget that they have another option... To keep the player and wait, and not trade at all if no reasonably offers come in. New coaches especially, forget this and are afraid of speaking up afterwards.
The system is the best we have, however, some changes could be made... Public voting, in the name of transparency, would probably be the most significant thing that comes to mind.
PS; I would just like to ask, if you rate Bastinac & Wright so highly, why are you trading out
BOTH of them for Wingard? Would it not be safe to assume that one should be sufficient based on your comparisons?
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 19, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 02:12:33 PM
You're completely missing the point.
There are channels that you can utilise to stop trades from happening. If you're so sure there were multiple other coaches lining up, why did you feel the need to go behind the backs of everybody and stop the trade from happening? You've taken advantage of FTC and his openness to your 'opinions' and it clearly shows you do not trust the ability of the competition as a whole to reject the trade if it needs rejecting.
Your analysis of Wright and Bastinac is laughable. Wright will probably finish top 5 in Carlton's best and fairest this season and his average was pushing into the high 80s. Bastinac has become a key cog in the Lions midfield, a team that is ready to go once their key position stocks have developed. Both players have received interest from other coaches, so should we take your opinion on them as gospel? How about we disband the voting system and let PSK assign every player a value and allow him to adjudicate all trades.
This seems out of character for you PSK. Always thought you were pretty good in terms of self-awareness and ability to abide by competition expectations and values.
I wasn't the only one.
There was another user who told him the exact same thing (and I don't know if this guy was an assistant coach or a casual observer). So my comments made no difference regardless. I had been in discussions with him before and the negotiation consideration was shaping to be Mitch Duncan + a first/second round NAT pick (which is more around the value of one of the most valuable young forwards in fantasy football). Ultimately, this was impossible due to Armitage's departure and, therefore, Wingard was fair game. But the trade he settled for was considerably lopsided. My comments were merely;
"Mate I (and most other coaches) would have offered you a better deal than that for Wingard" - official message
Note: FTC's reply is privileged... but my response was not what "talked him out of it"
I have become skeptical of this rejection system because all it does is force coaches to alter their trades to frame them in a way that permits the same substantive trade, however, in a manner less open to scrutiny. Some trades are effectively rectified, however, the solution for many others is swap some picks or add a player who may play a game or two (although the addition of Hartung did even up the Bartel trade). At the end of the day we have to admit that some players are unlikely to be more than fringe players and NAT picks are valued quite highly, however, besides the top 3 picks, they are very risky. Furthermore, no coach will complain about the same trade twice. I shamefully admit that even I've taken advantage of these tactics.
The one thing I do see is a trend of lopsided trades regarding certain coaches. There's nothing wrong with trading to improve the team, however, certain coaches will only trade if it tilts in their favour. I have nothing against self-interest, however, problems arise once there is a discrepancy in bargaining power. Specifically, when there are disproportionate amounts of premiums among clubs, it becomes harder for weaker/rebuilding clubs to trade without sacrificing their sources of short-term competitiveness. There's no problem with that, however, young players are risky in themselves and the worst case scenario for these top clubs is that they may miss out on the possibility that one young player may actually become a regular premium in a competitive sport. Conversely, the gain is an established player at the price of the weaker sides competitive abilities.
Finally, I know some coaches get carried away by the notion that they designate players as 'must trades' because of influxes in offers. But usually, esp. when subject to questionable bargaining tactics from other coaches, they forget that they have another option... To keep the player and wait, and not trade at all if no reasonably offers come in. New coaches especially, forget this and are afraid of speaking up afterwards.
The system is the best we have, however, some changes could be made... Public voting, in the name of transparency, would probably be the most significant thing that comes to mind.
PS; I would just like to ask, if you rate Bastinac & Wright so highly, why are you trading out BOTH of them for Wingard? Would it not be safe to assume that one should be sufficient based on your comparisons?
Never said you were. But FTC said you were the one who messaged him and I'm highlighting that this is against the current expectations of the comp.
I'm sceptical but I'd be interested to see this 'observer' come forward.
I'll admit I've sent messages like that to most coaches in the past, but ONLY when the current deal is confirmed. Wingard was being advertised for weeks before we even came to an agreement.
We're definitely on a completely new tangent now. I don't know if you've got personal grievances with how things are done in here (honestly every other XV comp uses the same/similar system and its been fine for years) or if you're simply deflecting the attention away from the fact you've done a pretty showere bloke thing.
I now see this as an attack on Boston. Too many premiums? When I inherited the list, Jay did draft very well. I walked into a team that was instantly one of the flag fancies. Since then it has largely been about ensuring the team did not fall in a heap come retirement time (there's still someway to go on that score). The best coaches in every league have a clear plan in mind on the trade table, there's no point trading for the sake of trading if you're interested in building a successful XV side.
I get the impression you have an issue with the way some coaches are trading, which is weird. And also kind of not related to the discussion point - your actions behind the scenes.
PS: A 25 and 26 yr old fwd and mid for a 23 yr old fwd who is higher rated longer term? Two for one, FTC needed to support the mids while not copping a huge hit in the midfield (Wingard averaged LESS than Wright).
Buuuuut look mate, I think its pretty evident you've made a stodgy call in judgement.
Honestly, if I may say so, and I know that this may be practically impossible but I thought of it over a year ago and have been hesitant about introducing the idea.
I would vehemently back an independent regulator (i.e. a 3 person trading tribunal). This would consist of 3 Fanfooty users with no affiliation to any of the clubs (i.e. completely impartial), in which coaches submit complaints to them and they deliberate to form a verdict.
This would be ideal. I don't know whether we would be able to establish anything like that or if we could find three users that would be interested, but it would, surely, make this the envy of all comps. Unless something like this already exists in any of the other comps.
I'm also concerned that it would be a significant burden on Jukes to establish such a body - hence, why I've been reluctant to bring it up.
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 19, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 02:12:33 PM
You're completely missing the point.
There are channels that you can utilise to stop trades from happening. If you're so sure there were multiple other coaches lining up, why did you feel the need to go behind the backs of everybody and stop the trade from happening? You've taken advantage of FTC and his openness to your 'opinions' and it clearly shows you do not trust the ability of the competition as a whole to reject the trade if it needs rejecting.
Your analysis of Wright and Bastinac is laughable. Wright will probably finish top 5 in Carlton's best and fairest this season and his average was pushing into the high 80s. Bastinac has become a key cog in the Lions midfield, a team that is ready to go once their key position stocks have developed. Both players have received interest from other coaches, so should we take your opinion on them as gospel? How about we disband the voting system and let PSK assign every player a value and allow him to adjudicate all trades.
This seems out of character for you PSK. Always thought you were pretty good in terms of self-awareness and ability to abide by competition expectations and values.
I wasn't the only one.
There was another user who told him the exact same thing (and I don't know if this guy was an assistant coach or a casual observer). So my comments made no difference regardless. I had been in discussions with him before and the negotiation consideration was shaping to be Mitch Duncan + a first/second round NAT pick (which is more around the value of one of the most valuable young forwards in fantasy football). Ultimately, this was impossible due to Armitage's departure and, therefore, Wingard was fair game. But the trade he settled for was considerably lopsided. My comments were merely;
"Mate I (and most other coaches) would have offered you a better deal than that for Wingard" - official message
Note: FTC's reply is privileged... but my response was not what "talked him out of it"
I have become skeptical of this rejection system because all it does is force coaches to alter their trades to frame them in a way that permits the same substantive trade, however, in a manner less open to scrutiny. Some trades are effectively rectified, however, the solution for many others is swap some picks or add a player who may play a game or two (although the addition of Hartung did even up the Bartel trade). At the end of the day we have to admit that some players are unlikely to be more than fringe players and NAT picks are valued quite highly, however, besides the top 3 picks, they are very risky. Furthermore, no coach will complain about the same trade twice. I shamefully admit that even I've taken advantage of these tactics.
The one thing I do see is a trend of lopsided trades regarding certain coaches. There's nothing wrong with trading to improve the team, however, certain coaches will only trade if it tilts in their favour. I have nothing against self-interest, however, problems arise once there is a discrepancy in bargaining power. Specifically, when there are disproportionate amounts of premiums among clubs, it becomes harder for weaker/rebuilding clubs to trade without sacrificing their sources of short-term competitiveness. There's no problem with that, however, young players are risky in themselves and the worst case scenario for these top clubs is that they may miss out on the possibility that one young player may actually become a regular premium in a competitive sport. Conversely, the gain is an established player at the price of the weaker sides competitive abilities.
Finally, I know some coaches get carried away by the notion that they designate players as 'must trades' because of influxes in offers. But usually, esp. when subject to questionable bargaining tactics from other coaches, they forget that they have another option... To keep the player and wait, and not trade at all if no reasonably offers come in. New coaches especially, forget this and are afraid of speaking up afterwards.
The system is the best we have, however, some changes could be made... Public voting, in the name of transparency, would probably be the most significant thing that comes to mind.
PS; I would just like to ask, if you rate Bastinac & Wright so highly, why are you trading out BOTH of them for Wingard? Would it not be safe to assume that one should be sufficient based on your comparisons?
Never said you were. But FTC said you were the one who messaged him and I'm highlighting that this is against the current expectations of the comp.
I'm sceptical but I'd be interested to see this 'observer' come forward.
I'll admit I've sent messages like that to most coaches in the past, but ONLY when the current deal is confirmed. Wingard was being advertised for weeks before we even came to an agreement.
We're definitely on a completely new tangent now. I don't know if you've got personal grievances with how things are done in here (honestly every other XV comp uses the same/similar system and its been fine for years) or if you're simply deflecting the attention away from the fact you've done a pretty showere bloke thing.
I now see this as an attack on Boston. Too many premiums? When I inherited the list, Jay did draft very well. I walked into a team that was instantly one of the flag fancies. Since then it has largely been about ensuring the team did not fall in a heap come retirement time (there's still someway to go on that score). The best coaches in every league have a clear plan in mind on the trade table, there's no point trading for the sake of trading if you're interested in building a successful XV side.
I get the impression you have an issue with the way some coaches are trading, which is weird. And also kind of not related to the discussion point - your actions behind the scenes.
PS: A 25 and 26 yr old fwd and mid for a 23 yr old fwd who is higher rated longer term? Two for one, FTC needed to support the mids while not copping a huge hit in the midfield (Wingard averaged LESS than Wright).
Buuuuut look mate, I think its pretty evident you've made a stodgy call in judgement.
My message was simply; "Mate I (and most other coaches) would have offered you a better deal than that for Wingard".
It was not a "stodgy" call in judgement, but rather stating the obvious. I know it's not protocol and I should have waited for FTC to post his confirm/reject post, however, it would not have made a difference. In the case of a complaint and, subsequent rejection, the trade would be minutely altered and Wingard would be gained at little cost (come on, a premium for premium deal is fair). I didn't tell him to reject it and he had, in fact, already made the decision at his own accord.
But I will conclude, it was not in accordance with protocol and this discussion would have been avoided had it just been inevitably reported.
We can focus on the incident, however, everything relevant has been mentioned. Only revealing FTC's comments would remain and that will not happen. The options now are 1) circular argument, 2) normative discussion, or 3) re-enter the trade table.
No chance of re-entering the trade table. It seems whatever you said to FTC has pretty much seen his demands become too great.
I maintain you've made an error in judgement in not allowing a trade to be confirmed before consulting either party and I don't think I'm alone in thinking this. However there's clearly no chance you will concede this so I'll leave it and move on.
Lets not deflect too much attention from Boston's Grand Final win this weekend ;)
Quote from: elephants on August 19, 2016, 03:39:52 PM
No chance of re-entering the trade table. It seems whatever you said to FTC has pretty much seen his demands become too great.
I maintain you've made an error in judgement in not allowing a trade to be confirmed before consulting either party and I don't think I'm alone in thinking this. However there's clearly no chance you will concede this so I'll leave it and move on.
Lets not deflect too much attention from Boston's Grand Final win this weekend ;)
Too easy mate.
I just want to state that
it was not an attack directed at Boston as it would have resulted in the same action if any club had done it.
and finally, on a brighter note;
I want to wish the Best of Luck to both sides this weekend. A Boston premiership is long overdue and Nos has done a superb job by making the Grand Final in his first season. The two best sides, by a country-mile in terms of consistency, should produce a cracker of a match :)
Back on topic.
Houston give: NAT Picks 30 + 42
Chicago give: Stewart Crameri + NAT 33
Taking a punt that Crameri can be a 70ave forward next year.
BigMac to confirm.
Confirmed
Ottawa give: Karl Amon
Carolina give: David Myers
Big fan of Myers. has shown good scoring ability when fit and so I'm happy to take a punt on him.
nas to confirm.
Quote from: Nige on August 21, 2016, 11:56:15 AM
Ottawa give: Karl Amon
Carolina give: David Myers
Big fan of Myers. has shown good scoring ability when fit and so I'm happy to take a punt on him.
nas to confirm.
Confirm K Amon brings youth to the side as well as DPP
Houston give: Dylan Roberton and Sean Lemmens
Carolina give: Matthew Boyd and Will Hoskin-Elliot
If you look at Roberton's last two seasons he is about an 80'ish ave defender and just about to enter his prime. However one more elite season from Boyd is valuable to us. I like Hoskin-Elliot, hopefully he can go to a new club and blossom. Lemmens will be handy for Carolina.
Nas to confirm.
Quote from: Jay on August 21, 2016, 12:43:28 PM
Houston give: Dylan Roberton and Sean Lemmens
Carolina give: Matthew Boyd and Will Hoskin-Elliot
If you look at Roberton's last two seasons he is about an 80'ish ave defender and just about to enter his prime. However one more elite season from Boyd is valuable to us. I like Hoskin-Elliot, hopefully he can go to a new club and blossom. Lemmens will be handy for Carolina.
Nas to confirm.
Confirm, Boyd is an all out Gun, but have to give something & rebuilding the side & Roberton with Lemmens helps in the backlines.
Quito trade: Aaron Sandilands
Anaheim trade: David Swallow
Quito have little to no need for Aaron Sandilands as I am satisfied with Lycett as #1 Ruck now that Nic Nat has gone down.
Anaheim are desperate for a ruck and while Sandi is a short term fix he could propel them deep into contention in Season 2017.
David Swallow is an obvious risk with injury but has potential and a fair few years on his side over Sandi.
kb to Confirm.
Quote from: fanTCfool on August 23, 2016, 12:36:32 AM
Quito trade: Aaron Sandilands
Anaheim trade: David Swallow
Quito have little to no need for Aaron Sandilands as I am satisfied with Lycett as #1 Ruck now that Nic Nat has gone down.
Anaheim are desperate for a ruck and while Sandi is a short term fix he could propel them deep into contention in Season 2017.
David Swallow is an obvious risk with injury but has potential and a fair few years on his side over Sandi.
kb to Confirm.
confirmed
tried to get Currie to backup Nicholls but couldn't so chased Sandi as i'm not confident in my ruck depth for our premiership push next year
Ottawa give: Jake Melksham
Colorado give: Sam Naismith
Hoping Naismith can get games next season and score as well as he did in the latter part of this season as insurance and back up to Big Boy since Nic Nat and Cegs are RIP in pieces with ACLs. :'(
The Dawg to confirm.
Quote from: Nige on August 24, 2016, 07:43:33 PM
Ottawa give: Jake Melksham
Colorado give: Sam Naismith
Hoping Naismith can get games next season and score as well as he did in the latter part of this season as insurance and back up to Big Boy since Nic Nat and Cegs are RIP in pieces with ACLs. :'(
The Dawg to confirm.
Confirmed . The Snake may kick on when he gets back
Colorado give: RD #7
Chicago give: Sam Gibson
Think there will still be some decent talent at RD 7 and Gibson is not too great a loss considering his age.
TDog to confirm.
Quote from: Big Mac on August 24, 2016, 09:03:25 PM
Colorado give: RD #7
Chicago give: Sam Gibson
Think there will still be some decent talent at RD 7 and Gibson is not too great a loss considering his age.
TDog to confirm.
Gibbo good value for a year after the delistings announced at North
San Francisco trade: Oscar McDonald, Jed Anderson, Jarrod Garlett, and RD Pick 8
Chicago trade: Andrew Gaff, Josh Gibson, and Eric Hipwood
OMac, Anderson, and Garlett were my future potential D3, F3, and F4 for sure, and RD 8 could've snagged a nice player. But got a nice player in Gaff, Gibbo is good D cover (and potential starter), and Hipwood is alright.
Quote from: Jukes on August 25, 2016, 02:29:19 AM
San Francisco trade: Oscar McDonald, Jed Anderson, Jarrod Garlett, and RD Pick 8
Chicago trade: Andrew Gaff, Josh Gibson, and Eric Hipwood
OMac, Anderson, and Garlett were my future potential D3, F3, and F4 for sure, and RD 8 could've snagged a nice player. But got a nice player in Gaff, Gibbo is good D cover (and potential starter), and Hipwood is alright.
Confirmed.
Taking a little bit of a risk with Anderson and Garlett but I think OMac has done enough this year to show he can score as well as his brother in the future. RD 8 handy
Surely not serious. Keep the flowering comp somewhat even please.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 25, 2016, 10:55:29 AM
Surely not serious. Keep the flowering comp somewhat even please.
For me ithe problem isnt the comp uneveness. But its two established players (who score well) and a highly rated kid for three kids...
Quote from: elephants on August 25, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 25, 2016, 10:55:29 AM
Surely not serious. Keep the flowering comp somewhat even please.
For me ithe problem isnt the comp uneveness. But its two established players (who score well) and a highly rated kid for three kids...
That's where it factors in though. Does Jukes need Gaff or Gibbo? Absolutely not. They're starters in every side but Jukes' really.
I've been trying to trade to be more competitive and have half a chance but when teams are hoarding established players and others are struggling to fill out their XVIII, it becomes a worry.
Quote from: Nige on August 25, 2016, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: elephants on August 25, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 25, 2016, 10:55:29 AM
Surely not serious. Keep the flowering comp somewhat even please.
For me ithe problem isnt the comp uneveness. But its two established players (who score well) and a highly rated kid for three kids...
That's where it factors in though. Does Jukes need Gaff or Gibbo? Absolutely not. They're starters in every side but Jukes' really.
I've been trying to trade to be more competitive and have half a chance but when teams are hoarding established players and others are struggling to fill out their XVIII, it becomes a worry.
Hence, my observations about bargaining power
Eventually it reaches a point where the other clubs need to give up a crucial/required player to recruit a starter, whilst the clubs who have hoarded can outbid us by sacrificing less, or to quote one of my fine works;
'The one thing I do see is a trend of lopsided trades regarding certain coaches. There's nothing wrong with trading to improve the team, however, certain coaches will only trade if it tilts in their favour.* I have nothing against self-interest, however, problems arise once there is a discrepancy in bargaining power. Specifically, when there are disproportionate amounts of premiums among clubs, it becomes harder for weaker/rebuilding clubs to trade without sacrificing their sources of short-term competitiveness. There's no problem with that, however, young players are risky in themselves and the worst case scenario for these top clubs is that they may miss out on the possibility that one young player may actually become a regular premium in a competitive sport. Conversely, the gain is an established player at the price of the weaker sides competitive abilities.'
*
Note; this is stated where mutually beneficial trading was, in fact, possible or when a trading relationship between the two clubs can be establish - e.g. take a loss in a position which is covered to later receive a gain in a position where recruitment is necessary.
Mac I would think long and hard about what you are losing for Gaff & Gibbo, because you could certainly obtain more with Gaff - i.e. potentially recruit a premium forward or defender - than the potential value of Garlett, Anderson, and OMac. Someone's profiting from Gaff's poor season. You could certainly acquire OMac for less...
That being said, it's best to leave any decision to Big Mac as he is an autonomous being and, as it involves young players who are not well-established in the AFL as of yet, he could have good reason to have made this trade (he may know something about OMac, Garlett, Hipwood, or Anderson we do not know at this point).
Note;
Established Premium: Player who regularly averages +100ppg
c/f Established Player: Player in which near-perfect information about them is available
So by my definition above, Zac Dawson is an 'established player' because all coaches are aware of him and enough information is available to ascertain his spud status.
Another one here between Houston and Carolina! Bit more even than the above trade I think :P
Houston give: Rhys Stanley
Carolina give: Shane Edwards + N23
Giving up a R/F really hurts us, Stanley is a solid player with potential to breakout. But willing to take a punt that Edwards can get back to his last year's form.
Nas to confirm.
Quote from: Jay on August 25, 2016, 01:46:01 PM
Another one here between Houston and Carolina! Bit more even than the above trade I think :P
Houston give: Rhys Stanley
Carolina give: Shane Edwards + N23
Giving up a R/F really hurts us, Stanley is a solid player with potential to breakout. But willing to take a punt that Edwards can get back to his last year's form.
Nas to confirm.
Confirm. Gaining Stanley gives me the back up Ruck / Forward required.
Ottawa give: Josh Hill + Jarryd Blair
Anaheim give: N31 + N34
Was looking to offload these two for the best picks possible as part of the list management strategy developed by our freshly recruited assistant.
KB to confirm.
If you want, report and reject the trade, that's what the system's there for. Haven't really had the time to read what you guys have written (sorry PSK especially, will give it a read tomorrow) but here were my thoughts on the trade while I'm on the bus:
Basically I know I can't compete for the flag, and with my aging list figured I should drop a few players while I can get something for them. So Gibson is effectively worth fairly little to me. Gaff I can understand is fairly valuable, but again I don't rate him that highly (obviously still very good depth or a utility). Finding it hard to gauge players' value in my first week in the comp though and one other offer I had involving Gaff was Gaff + Lobb for Weitering and likely someone like Weideman, and I wasn't really too keen on that, but thought O'Mac had the potential to score similarly/slightly less than Weits in the future given what he's shown this year and the faith the coaches have shown in him in not even considering Dunn/Garland for a game. Hipwood probably not ideal to give up, but again getting Garlett back (was pick 15 in both this comp and the AFL iirc), and Anderson who should get a lot more chances next year with north's retirements was something I was willing to risk. Also I still rate the talent at RD8 so that was handy to get back as well
So just cos you know you cant make finals. You'll help split the comp further by feeding to the strong teams. Gaff is 24. Should be the last guy you trade. The list i had 18 months ago was atrocious, and im starting to build something. And the best player i traded was Bryce Gibbs and Goddard... no need to trade an absolute gun for scrap.
I'm all for some hearty discussion, especially if it comes with a side of bants, but this should probably all be in the Discussion thread.
Quote from: Nige on August 25, 2016, 05:43:00 PM
Ottawa give: Josh Hill + Jarryd Blair
Anaheim give: N31 + N34
Was looking to offload these two for the best picks possible as part of the list management strategy developed by our freshly recruited assistant.
KB to confirm.
confirmed
handy depth for next year
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 25, 2016, 06:46:54 PM
So just cos you know you cant make finals. You'll help split the comp further by feeding to the strong teams. Gaff is 24. Should be the last guy you trade. The list i had 18 months ago was atrocious, and im starting to build something. And the best player i traded was Bryce Gibbs and Goddard... no need to trade an absolute gun for scrap.
I guess you won't be complaining when in 4 years' time the ladder is reversed and NBH, LVS and Quito are fighting for the flag while Anaheim and Boston are bottom 2...
Basically I don't think trades should be negged based on making one team too good or too bad now/later, but on their individual merit and player values.
I reckon OMac and Garlett are future 90-average players and Anderson 85 (Roos rate him highly, traded a first pick for him despite getting no game time at Hawthorn) and are 20, 20, and 22. Gibbo is 32 (33 by the time next season comes around), Gaff has had a terrible 2016 and I don't rate him as a blue-chip midfielder, but is a step-up from playing Swallow/Douglas as the sub. Hipwood has talent (not as much as OMac, Garlett, and Anderson though).
I've received a complaint (so nobody else send one aha), I'll send out the vote tomorrow night.
Yet again, there is no way you can be serious. Oscar McDonald is a key defender, the chance of a key defender becoming a premium is 1 in 100. flowering slim as mate. He's shown stuff all promise in being a high scoring key defender, I reckon he's got 2 90+ scores in 18 games? Nup. Jarrod Garlett shows promise, but yet again, not enough to warrant him a trade like this, no doubt averages under 70, for a 2nd year player, going to be a good player, but no necessarily a fantasy scorer. And Anderson is terrible, he'll be lucky to still be playing AFL in 2-3 years. Cant find the footy, and impact the game, can't score fantasy.
Now let's talk about the other end, Andrew Gaff, flowering gun. Poor year? yes. But still a gun, if you're treating these average youngsters to future value, then I can with Gaff, he's a 100+ fantasy scorer without a doubt, he collects 30+ touches with ease in games, and can assure you will be a better scorer then all 3 of the players you traded for him. And you can't go around rating those 3 saying how they have more talent then Hipwood... Once that bloke starts bulking up in muscle (Could be another Jarrod Grant, but I doubt it.) He will be an absolute star, will average 80-90 as a fwd or defender, wherever he is. He's that talented. I reckon he'd probably score better than Andersen right now.
If anyone agrees with the trade, it's just complete stupidity, might as well cut the other 8 teams out and wait 4 years, but no doubt by then you've used your buying power to reap in more players to stay alive much longer.
OMac is averaging 70 as a 20-year-old key back in his second season for a non-finals team. That's pretty damn good and he'll only get better. Garlett was taken pick 15 by GC and will also only get better than his 60-average this season at just 20. North gave up pick 15 for Ando when he'd only played 10 career games, has buckets of upside and his hammy has derailed his 2016 - Roos obviously rate him highly and there will be plenty of room for him with Boomer and NDS leaving.
RD8 can definitely pick up a great young talent - last year I snatched Papley at #15 and a guy I traded for Brad Hill at #34, while this year in addition to guys like Papley taken in the AFL Rookie Draft there's Cox, Dea, Aliir, Campbell, Castagna, Cordy, Foote, Jayden Hunt, Nev Jetta, Archie Smith, Jackson Trengove, Will Hams, and Ruggles up for grabs - 13 guys who are young, playing AFL footy, and scoring reasonably well (for the most part), and then youngsters picked up from lower levels.
So what do we rate higher - getting an 85-back, 80-mid/fwd, 80mid/fwd, and possibly somebody like Aliir as an 80-back for a decade or a 95ish-mid for maybe 8 years, 90-back for 2 years, and an 80-fwd for a decade (I'm willing to drop him from the deal because he wouldn't be too much use to me)
And rejecting the trade for comp eveness is madness. Nothing stopping you bottom/young clubs from going out on a limb and trying to challenge for a flag now. Not our fault we're flying high.
So did it pass?
Quote from: Pkbaldy on August 27, 2016, 10:04:33 AM
So did it pass?
Received 10 votes out of 12, with 4 being in favour and 6 being against - so pretty marginal, but enough for a rejection with need for SF to give up more (but not the world!), but not going to 100% rule it as rejected at this time because of the two coaches yet to vote. If these coaches don't vote by the end of the weekend I'll rule it as rejected, as per normal.
Carolina Give T Bellchambers + N35
Anaheim give CEY + H Mckay + N46
some more ruck cover for next year and N35 fives us back to back picks which i like
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 27, 2016, 10:37:03 PM
Carolina Give T Bellchambers + N35
Anaheim give CEY + H Mckay + N46
some more ruck cover for next year and N35 fives us back to back picks which i like
Confirm, CEY adds to midfield cover, H McKay a young F/R + N46 back to back picks.
Ottawa trade N34
Anaheim trade B McKay
have enough forwards now need to draft some mids to develop
Nige to confirm
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 28, 2016, 12:12:17 AM
Ottawa trade N34
Anaheim trade B McKay
have enough forwards now need to draft some mids to develop
Nige to confirm
Norf will have two Bens leading their fwds for the next decade, needed at least one so got Ben McKay who is the Drew Petrie replacement.
Confirmed.
Houston give: NAT Pick 32
Chicago give: Andrew Phillips
Big Mac to confirm.
Confirmed.
Have no need for Phillips
Finally after 3 weeks of negotiations with 3 different coaches I've finally got myself another forward.
Boston gives: M.Robinson + Z.Clarke + N8 + N27
Houston gives: J.Darling + N6 + N33
Jay to confirm.
All this to plan for Nroo's retirement, which will probably never come.
Quote from: elephants on August 30, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
Finally after 3 weeks of negotiations with 3 different coaches I've finally got myself another forward.
Boston gives: M.Robinson + Z.Clarke + N8 + N27
Houston gives: J.Darling + N6 + N33
Jay to confirm.
All this to plan for Nroo's retirement, which will probably never come.
I confirm! Robbo should be very handy, and hoping Zac can get an extended run as Freo's #1 ruck eventually.
Boston gives: Nat 33
Anaheim gives: Kayne Turner
Seen enough from Turner in his short career to suggest he'll be a big part of North's next premiership push. Hoping for a Dumont like breakout.
KB to confirm
Quote from: elephants on September 02, 2016, 10:37:59 PM
Boston gives: Nat 33
Anaheim gives: Kayne Turner
Seen enough from Turner in his short career to suggest he'll be a big part of North's next premiership push. Hoping for a Dumont like breakout.
KB to confirm
confirmed
have enough forwards now and this gives us 4 picks in a row
Boston Give: Nat 12 + Jack Trengove (Melb)
Cockerals Give: Nat 7
PSK to confirm.
Stoked to have two picks in the top 7! Jacky Trengove is the pawn that gets us there.
Quote from: elephants on September 06, 2016, 09:26:22 PM
Boston Give: Nat 12 + Jack Trengove (Melb)
Cockerals Give: Nat 7
PSK to confirm.
Stoked to have two picks in the top 7! Jacky Trengove is the pawn that gets us there.
Confirmed
Despite his injury history, the price is reasonable enough to take a punt on Trengove. It could really pay off and in the worst case scenario pick 12 should get us someone handy.
Wisconsin give: Paul Ahern + NAT #55
Colorado gives: NAT #22
Ahern was our number #4 pick in the 2014 National Draft and had a bright future at our club, however, he's unfortunately had problems with injuries and I've personally lost patience (esp. considering the fact I traded NAT #4 in with O'Meara...). Nevertheless, he's only 20 years old, has a lot of upside potential, and could really star in the long-term, ultimately, leaving a lot to be gained for little price.
T Dog to confirm
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 08, 2016, 08:13:38 PM
Wisconsin give: Paul Ahern + NAT #55
Colorado gives: NAT #22
Ahern was our number #4 pick in the 2014 National Draft and had a bright future at our club, however, he's unfortunately had problems with injuries and I've personally lost patience (esp. considering the fact I traded NAT #4 in with O'Meara...). Nevertheless, he's only 20 years old, has a lot of upside potential, and could really star in the long-term, ultimately, leaving a lot to be gained for little price.
T Dog to confirm
Confirmed. Happy to take Ahern as a project player over the ND#22. If the lad has any luck this is a steal.
I assume you're both aware that Ahern just re-did his ACL yesterday? :P
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2016, 01:59:21 AM
I assume you're both aware that Ahern just re-did his ACL yesterday? :P
Seriously mozzed the poor kid :-\
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2016, 01:59:21 AM
I assume you're both aware that Ahern just re-did his ACL yesterday? :P
Yeah that was discussed, hence the currency drop (i.e. a pick upgrade).
He could pay off in the long-term (Daniel Menzel & Nick Malceski are examples of players that overcame the same injuries at young ages), however, with Trengove & O'Meara the mid stocks are already low for the Cockerels and we would rather start again with a late second rounder rather than wait and see if Ahern pays off in 2-4 years - hence, the relatively low price tag.
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 09, 2016, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2016, 01:59:21 AM
I assume you're both aware that Ahern just re-did his ACL yesterday? :P
Yeah that was discussed, hence the currency drop (i.e. a pick upgrade).
He could pay off in the long-term (Daniel Menzel & Nick Malceski are examples of players that overcame the same injuries at young ages), however, with Trengove & O'Meara the mid stocks are already low for the Cockerels and we would rather start again with a late second rounder rather than wait and see if Ahern pays off in 2-4 years - hence, the relatively low price tag.
yep, this one's a hold and see for Colorado.
Ah very good, just checkin ;)
We've finally sorted the Chad Wingard trade,
Boston Trade: M. Wright + Nat Pick #6 + Nat Pick #48
Quito Trade: C. Wingard + T. Garner
Wright (only 26) averaged more than Wingard this year, but we all know what Chad can do at his best. Pick 6 is Quito's third in the top 10, and seventh in the top 30. I feel that Pick 6 and Wright will be more valuable to Quito going forward, and no doubt Wingard will be a great addition to a side much closer to a flag in Boston. Garner and Pick #48 were added just to balance things a little, Garner should get more opportunities now with the retiring Roos and therefore gives Boston that little bonus we felt they needed.
Quote from: fanTCfool on September 11, 2016, 11:04:59 PM
We've finally sorted the Chad Wingard trade,
Boston Trade: M. Wright + Nat Pick #6 + Nat Pick #48
Quito Trade: C. Wingard + T. Garner
Wright (only 26) averaged more than Wingard this year, but we all know what Chad can do at his best. Pick 6 is Quito's third in the top 10, and seventh in the top 30. I feel that Pick 6 and Wright will be more valuable to Quito going forward, and no doubt Wingard will be a great addition to a side much closer to a flag in Boston. Garner and Pick #48 were added just to balance things a little, Garner should get more opportunities now with the retiring Roos and therefore gives Boston that little bonus we felt they needed.
Yep confirmed.
I'm 100% confident in the fact I'm paying overs here. But in Supercoach Chad has all the assets to average 100 as a forward. That for me is something I deem incredibly valuable, and therefore I'm willing to pay up huuuugely.
Fingers crossed Chad bounces back to high 90s, and if not I'm more than happy to rotate him through with Christo, Lecca and Darling going forward!
Houston gives: Tom Phillips, Mitch Grigg, NAT Picks 8 + 51, Rookie Pick #6
Quito gives: Michael Barlow + Kade Simpson
Sad to see a personal favourite of mine in Kade Simpson on the move, especially after a career best SC year.
Barlow is only 28, so although he may not be playing under Ross the Boss next year, both parties are certain he will pick up a contract somewhere else after his brilliant patch of tagging before injury.
Given the path I am taking with the Quito side, two young talents in Phillips and Grigg are valuable inclusions to the squad, although neither has yet cemented a spot in their respective Best 22s, I am satisfied that I have seen enough from them both to know that they will both be good players in the future. Hopefully the same can eventually be said for ND Pick #8, which I add to my collection of #2, #5, #6, #14, #26, #28 and #29 all inside the top 30. I do have a couple of names lined up for Rook Pick #6 and Nat #51 is simply a sweetener to achieve what both coaches feel is a winning deal for both sides.
Jay to confirm.
Can confirm!
Two premium players coming through the door here, but we feel like we're giving up a good amount too. Griggy is a favourite of mine and will perform well when given the opportunity, wherever that is. Phillips showed scoring potential this season, and although the Collingwood midfield is a tough one to break into, I can see him becoming a very solid player. N8 should really help Quito going through their rebuilding phase too.
Obviously there's a bit of uncertainty with Barlow given his injuries, role and where he'll be playing next season but as FTC said he's only 28 and was a late bloomer so we're hoping he can get back to that premo form. Kade might not have long left but I think as long as he plays he'll put up good scores. Giving up a fair bit of our future here which is a risk, but I think it could pay off, and also helps Quito get some quality young players in.
Colorado Avalanche trade Jobe Watson + Luke Hodge
Anaheim trade Levi Greenwood + Jarryd Blair + Bailey Williams
Jobe coming home for glory
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 23, 2016, 08:31:22 PM
Colorado Avalanche trade Jobe Watson + Luke Hodge
Anaheim trade Levi Greenwood + Jarryd Blair + Bailey Williams
Jobe coming home for glory
Colorado confirm.
Moving on a couple of warhorses.
And anyone wearing a hat like Jobe did in a presser needs a new home 8)
Boston Give: Nat Pick 7
Brooklyn Give: Josh Shacky/Shackee + Brendan Ah Chee
So Shacks went at N12 in last seasons Nat Draft and I've seen enough to believe he will score well when Brisbane get less shower in about 25 years time. Big Ah Chee fan, so he's the difference between that N12 into the N7. As reining premier, we believe we have the time and facilities to mentor Shacky over the next 5 years and turn him into a starter. Word is he'll be working closely with Nick Riewoldt!
Pleasure doing business, PK to confirm.
Quote from: elephants on October 04, 2016, 04:02:34 PM
Boston Give: Nat Pick 7
Brooklyn Give: Josh Shacky/Shackee + Brendan Ah Chee
So Shacks went at N12 in last seasons Nat Draft and I've seen enough to believe he will score well when Brisbane get less shower in about 25 years time. Big Ah Chee fan, so he's the difference between that N12 into the N7. As reining premier, we believe we have the time and facilities to mentor Shacky over the next 5 years and turn him into a starter. Word is he'll be working closely with Nick Riewoldt!
Pleasure doing business, PK to confirm.
N7 gives me the first bloke outside the Big 6. And I know exactly who i'll be targeting with it.
Comes at a cost though, Schache will be a gun in time and Ah Chee is servicable.
Confirmed.
Quito Trade: Joel Smith + RD14
Chicago Trade: RD9
Reasoning: Making the list a little smaller
Big Mac to Confirm.
Quito trade: Chris Yarran + N29
Cockerels trade: N19
Reasoning: Making the list smaller
PSK to Confirm.
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 07, 2016, 09:13:37 AM
Quito trade: Chris Yarran + N29
Cockerels trade: N19
Reasoning: Making the list smaller
PSK to Confirm.
Confirmed
Cockerels are doing the opposite - trying to make the list bigger (there's a few more on our list likely to be delisted by their respective clubs). We are trying to take a few risks going forward (hence the Trengove trade) and I'm hoping that Yarran can provide the running half-back role the Tigers expect from him.
Who the flower is Joel Smith?
Quote from: Pkbaldy on October 07, 2016, 11:08:00 AM
Who the flower is Joel Smith?
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/player/joel-smith (http://www.fanfooty.com.au/player/joel-smith)
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 07, 2016, 09:11:42 AM
Quito Trade: Joel Smith + RD14
Chicago Trade: RD9
Reasoning: Making the list a little smaller
Big Mac to Confirm.
Confirmed
Am also trying to make the list a little bigger given the increase to 56 spots. Smith is really a long term prospect but at a relatively small cost I'm happy to take him
Quote from: Pkbaldy on October 07, 2016, 11:08:00 AM
Who the flower is Joel Smith?
Hahaha +1. I was like... "Smith from the Pies going cheap here" ;D
Colorado trade: Jobe Watson and Luke Hodge
Anaheim trade: Levi Greenwood, Jarryd Blair, and Bailey Williams + N36
tdog hasn't been on since the 2nd we were in the middle of discussions pretty sure he will like this one so gonna post it here so when he gets on he can just confirm
Quito trade: Garrick Ibbotson + National Draft Pick #50
Anaheim trade: Rookie Pick #10
Reasoning: Still decreasing list size
KB to Confirm.
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 08, 2016, 02:32:23 PM
Quito trade: Garrick Ibbotson + National Draft Pick #50
Anaheim trade: Rookie Pick #10
Reasoning: Still decreasing list size
KB to Confirm.
confirmed wanted another defender with Enright out
Boston Give: J.Wagner + R24
Quito Give: E.Hughes + N28 + N39
Reasoning: Conveniently, the list gets smaller again. Boston were keen on Hughes, and Quito quite like Wagner. Unlike Wagner, Hughes hasn't quite had the AFL time, and will be on the rookie list next year, so N28 was added. R24/N39 balance things out.
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 08, 2016, 06:28:50 PM
Boston Give: J.Wagner + R24
Quito Give: E.Hughes + N28 + N39
Reasoning: Conveniently, the list gets smaller again. Boston were keen on Hughes, and Quito quite like Wagner. Unlike Wagner, Hughes hasn't quite had the AFL time, and will be on the rookie list next year, so N28 was added. R24/N39 balance things out.
Yep I like Hughesy so its a pretty simple swap of back depth thats evened up by picks.
Confirmed
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 07, 2016, 11:22:55 PM
Colorado trade: Jobe Watson and Luke Hodge
Anaheim trade: Levi Greenwood, Jarryd Blair, and Bailey Williams + N36
tdog hasn't been on since the 2nd we were in the middle of discussions pretty sure he will like this one so gonna post it here so when he gets on he can just confirm
Declined in lieu of T Dog.
I have spoken to Jukes & he has given me permission to give a helping habd until the big mans return.
I am of the opinion I can get more for these two players. Despite both of them having a year left, maybe 2 in Jobe’s case, neither of them has averaged under 85 SC in 11 years of football. They are two of the mosern era’s elite & I am basically taking an age downgrade of 3-4 years for less scoring power. Blair is 27 next year has had one season above an 80 average and Greenwood cannot score proficently in a stacked Collingwood midfield. I like Bailey but its not a deal we win on in the short or long term regardless of Doggas love for Pies players.
Panthers trade : Luke Brown.
Anaheim trade : Tom Bell.
Luke Brown a defender that KB requires & Tom Bell suits the Panthers forward options.
KB to confirm.
Quote from: nas on October 19, 2016, 09:17:42 AM
Panthers trade : Luke Brown.
Anaheim trade : Tom Bell.
Luke Brown a defender that KB requires & Tom Bell suits the Panthers forward options.
KB to confirm.
just depth for depth for me
Wisconsin give: RD #31
Colorado give: Will Minson
Taking a punt on the big man to provide some ruck depth next season if picked up
TDog/Koop to confirm
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 19, 2016, 05:51:48 PM
Wisconsin give: RD #31
Colorado give: Will Minson
Taking a punt on the big man to provide some ruck depth next season if picked up
TDog/Koop to confirm
Confirm
T Dog was going to delist him anyway but I think there is some very good talent left in that Rookie Pool, and I back myself/T Dog to pick up a very serviceable player with that pick.
Quito has come to the rescue, helping out with the Colorado/Anaheim trade.
Anaheim trade: Levi Greenwood, Jarryd Blair, Luke Breust, Bailey Williams
Anaheim receive: Luke Hodge, Jobe Watson, Pick 19
Colorado trade: Luke Hodge, Jobe Watson, Dean Towers
Colorado receive: Jarryd Blair, Levi Greenwood, Ryan Griffen
Quito trade: Pick 19, Ryan Griffen
Quito receive: Luke Breust, Dean Towers, Bailey Williams
Please allow me to break it down a little,
Anaheim lose some very decent players, but need to give a little towards the fringe to be able to get the older guns it needs to remain well and truly in flag contention. It also receives a good early pick which may well be on-traded, or used to bring youth into a side with a lot of older players.
Colorado receive two quality midfielders and a solid forward. It loses two older blokes and a fringe forward for three players who will likely start for it next year and beyond. T Dog and myself had been talking trades involving Griffen prior to his current period of absence, so he receives three players we know he is keen on.
Quito replace Chad Wingard with a more consistent scorer, and also bring in a coach's favourite in Dean Towers. We lose a good early pick, but rest assured we have plenty, and welcome Bailey Williams to the side as a young utility with room to improve.
The only thing missing from this trade is a stock-standard list size decrease for Quito.
Koop/T Dog and KB to Confirm.
confirmed
fantcfool has summed it up well
and thanks to him for doing the mediating
Confirmed. Sorry thought Id already done it.
Another high draft pick departing Quito,
Las Vegas trade: Nick Haynes
Quito trade: National Pick #14
Quito already have a good amount of defensive depth, but needed one more starter after losing Savage earlier in the trade period.
Haynes earnt himself a spot in the Best 22 for GWS in 2016 and we are hopeful he can build off a solid season.
Las Vegas should also be able to find a very good player with Pick 14. A win for both sides.
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 27, 2016, 06:30:11 PM
Another high draft pick departing Quito,
Las Vegas trade: Nick Haynes
Quito trade: National Pick #14
Quito already have a good amount of defensive depth, but needed one more starter after losing Savage earlier in the trade period.
Haynes earnt himself a spot in the Best 22 for GWS in 2016 and we are hopeful he can build off a solid season.
Las Vegas should also be able to find a very good player with Pick 14. A win for both sides.
Confirm
We are sad to lose Haynes, but with Carlisle coming back into the team we can cover the loss.
Moving further up the board is also important as we have a couple of players in mind.
Carolina give ND # 11
Vegas Give ND #13 and ND #25
Vegas are moving as far up the draft as we can.
Another draft upgrade for Vegas
Vegas give Christian Salem and ND 15
Chicago give ND 9
Big mac to confirm
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 28, 2016, 02:49:46 PM
Another draft upgrade for Vegas
Vegas give Christian Salem and ND 15
Chicago give ND 9
Big mac to confirm
Confirmed.
Chicago's defense is looking very shallow with Burgoyne, Gibson and MJ at the end of their careers, so adding Salem is a big win imo, hopefully he can get over his injury/thyroid issues
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 28, 2016, 12:18:59 PM
Carolina give ND # 11
Vegas Give ND #13 and ND #25
Vegas are moving as far up the draft as we can.
Drop a couple down the draft, but add another pick in the draft. Confirm
Anaheim trade ND #19
Chicago trade ND #30 + #32
gives us picks 30, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 and the draft is mean to be decent in the 2nd round
big mac to confirm
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 29, 2016, 05:33:38 PM
Anaheim trade ND #19
Chicago trade ND #30 + #32
gives us picks 30, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 and the draft is mean to be decent in the 2nd round
big mac to confirm
Confirmed. Gives me picks 10, 15, 19 and 21 which I'm confident I can land some talent with.
Las Vegas Give: NAT #14 + RD #1
Las Vegas Get: NAT #12 + RD #3
Chicago Gives: Liam Duggan
Chicago Gets: RD #1
Wisconsin Give: NAT #12 + RD #3
Wisconsin Get: Liam Duggan + NAT #14
Wisconsin give Duggan a fresh start as we are looking for youngsters with some experience. Chicago wanted RD #1 but we only had RD #3 so Las Vegas were called in to fulfill that need. Las Vegas get another pick upgrade, gaining an additional first rounder, as a result of the trade at the price of a minor rookie draft downgrade.
Mac to Confirm
Syd to Confirm
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2016, 11:23:36 PM
Las Vegas Give: NAT #14 + RD #1
Las Vegas Get: NAT #12 + RD #3
Chicago Gives: Liam Duggan
Chicago Gets: RD #1
Wisconsin Give: NAT #12 + RD #3
Wisconsin Get: Liam Duggan + NAT #14
Wisconsin give Duggan a fresh start as we are looking for youngsters with some experience. Chicago wanted RD #1 but we only had RD #3 so Las Vegas were called in to fulfill that need. Las Vegas get another pick upgrade, gaining an additional first rounder, as a result of the trade at the price of a minor rookie draft downgrade.
Mac to Confirm
Syd to Confirm
confirm, a little pick shuffle to help the trade get through
happy to get another couple higher in the ND
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 29, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2016, 11:23:36 PM
Las Vegas Give: NAT #14 + RD #1
Las Vegas Get: NAT #12 + RD #3
Chicago Gives: Liam Duggan
Chicago Gets: RD #1
Wisconsin Give: NAT #12 + RD #3
Wisconsin Get: Liam Duggan + NAT #14
Wisconsin give Duggan a fresh start as we are looking for youngsters with some experience. Chicago wanted RD #1 but we only had RD #3 so Las Vegas were called in to fulfill that need. Las Vegas get another pick upgrade, gaining an additional first rounder, as a result of the trade at the price of a minor rookie draft downgrade.
Mac to Confirm
Syd to Confirm
confirm, a little pick shuffle to help the trade get through
happy to get another couple higher in the ND
Confirmed. Happy to move Duggan on and have someone in mind at RD1
Panthers Give: RD #51
Ottawa Give: Jack Neade.
Ottawa was delisting Jack so with Panthers long list of delistings, giving away a pick that Ottawa may use. Youth Depth.
Nige to confirm
This is not a trade, but rather a very small error in the Trade List,
58. Boston trade: J.Wagner and RD Pick 24
Quito trade: E.Hughes and NAT Picks 28 and 38
The traded pick from Quito was NAT 39, not NAT 38 :)
Quote from: nas on November 22, 2016, 08:15:46 PM
Panthers Give: RD #51
Ottawa Give: Jack Neade.
Ottawa was delisting Jack so with Panthers long list of delistings, giving away a pick that Ottawa may use. Youth Depth.
Nige to confirm
Confirmed. Was delisting Neade and R51 is a one pick upgrade on what should be the final pick to complete my list for next season.
Chicago trade: Joel Selwood + Shane Kersten + RD 55
Boston trade: Mitch Wallis + Shannon Hurn + Josh Schache
Huge trade here with Chicago losing probably its best player, but Luke Parker looks set to take up that mantle quite comfortably. In return is a much younger Mitch Wallis, who averaged 103 unsubbed in 2015, Shannon Hurn, who should slot right in Michael Johnson's spot while he's off assaulting people, and the talented Josh Schache, who should only keep getting better.
ele to confirm
Confirmed
Jelwood is elite, my midfield is probably my weakest line so adding Jelwood is massive. Kersten should be better at Freo and I'll probably end up using R55 with all my retirements.
Wallis is a loss, as I certainly see him as an excellent young SC prospect being sold cut price due to injury. Hurn a walkup starter in most teams in the league, Chicago included while Scache is a former pick 2 and will be the focal point of the Lions attack for the next decade.
I feel like I'm giving up a lot here for a 29 yr old mid but Jelwood is an elite scorer and the final piece to my premiership puzzle ;)
Quote from: Big Mac on November 28, 2016, 11:46:29 PM
Chicago trade: Joel Selwood + Shane Kersten + RD 55
Boston trade: Mitch Wallis + Shannon Hurn + Josh Schache
Huge trade here with Chicago losing probably its best player, but Luke Parker looks set to take up that mantle quite comfortably. In return is a much younger Mitch Wallis, who averaged 103 unsubbed in 2015, Shannon Hurn, who should slot right in Michael Johnson's spot while he's off assaulting people, and the talented Josh Schache, who should only keep getting better.
ele to confirm
Small amendment, that should be RD 45, not 55.
Quote from: Big Mac on November 29, 2016, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on November 28, 2016, 11:46:29 PM
Chicago trade: Joel Selwood + Shane Kersten + RD 55
Boston trade: Mitch Wallis + Shannon Hurn + Josh Schache
Huge trade here with Chicago losing probably its best player, but Luke Parker looks set to take up that mantle quite comfortably. In return is a much younger Mitch Wallis, who averaged 103 unsubbed in 2015, Shannon Hurn, who should slot right in Michael Johnson's spot while he's off assaulting people, and the talented Josh Schache, who should only keep getting better.
ele to confirm
Small amendment, that should be RD 45, not 55.
Confirmed
Colorado give: Jack Redden + Matt Buntine + Rook 18
Boston give: Hugh Goddard + Taylor Garner + Rook 15
Reasoning - Might seem onesided on first glance but desperately after scoring depth at either end of the ground, but especially forward. Garner averaged 77 uninjured this year and both are young, promising players firmly in their teams best 22 when fit. Redden playing awful role at WCE & Buntine back in the queue now @ GWS. Also gets me closer to the man I want in the Rookie.
Ele to confirm.
Quote from: Koop on December 05, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Colorado give: Jack Redden + Matt Buntine + Rook 18
Boston give: Hugh Goddard + Taylor Garner + Rook 15
Reasoning - Might seem onesided on first glance but desperately after scoring depth at either end of the ground, but especially forward. Garner averaged 77 uninjured this year and both are young, promising players firmly in their teams best 22 when fit. Redden playing awful role at WCE & Buntine back in the queue now @ GWS. Also gets me closer to the man I want in the Rookie.
Ele to confirm.
Yeah Koop summed it up well, two high potential players at either end for a fallen quality mid in Redden. Happy to take the punt here, even though I have very high expectations on the scoring potential of both Garner and Goddard as they develop!
Confirmed.
If anyone needs mids hit me :P
Quote from: elephants on December 05, 2016, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: Koop on December 05, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Colorado give: Jack Redden + Matt Buntine + Rook 18
Boston give: Hugh Goddard + Taylor Garner + Rook 15
Reasoning - Might seem onesided on first glance but desperately after scoring depth at either end of the ground, but especially forward. Garner averaged 77 uninjured this year and both are young, promising players firmly in their teams best 22 when fit. Redden playing awful role at WCE & Buntine back in the queue now @ GWS. Also gets me closer to the man I want in the Rookie.
Ele to confirm.
Yeah Koop summed it up well, two high potential players at either end for a fallen quality mid in Redden. Happy to take the punt here, even though I have very high expectations on the scoring potential of both Garner and Goddard as they develop!
Confirmed.
If anyone needs mids hit me :P
Few problems with this trade lads -
1. RD Pick 18 belongs to Houston
2. RD Pick 15 belongs to Colorado
So basically you're stealing RD 18 from Houston and Colorado gets their second copy of RD 15 :P
Quote from: Jukes on December 05, 2016, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: elephants on December 05, 2016, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: Koop on December 05, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
Colorado give: Jack Redden + Matt Buntine + Rook 18
Boston give: Hugh Goddard + Taylor Garner + Rook 15
Reasoning - Might seem onesided on first glance but desperately after scoring depth at either end of the ground, but especially forward. Garner averaged 77 uninjured this year and both are young, promising players firmly in their teams best 22 when fit. Redden playing awful role at WCE & Buntine back in the queue now @ GWS. Also gets me closer to the man I want in the Rookie.
Ele to confirm.
Yeah Koop summed it up well, two high potential players at either end for a fallen quality mid in Redden. Happy to take the punt here, even though I have very high expectations on the scoring potential of both Garner and Goddard as they develop!
Confirmed.
If anyone needs mids hit me :P
Few problems with this trade lads -
1. RD Pick 18 belongs to Houston
2. RD Pick 15 belongs to Colorado
So basically you're stealing RD 18 from Houston and Colorado gets their second copy of RD 15 :P
Haha oh man I assumed they'd be fine with it. We'll amend it shortly ;D
Yeah my error. Still getting used to the teams & who owns what team, etc.
Boston give: Hugh Goddard + Taylor Garner + Rook 36
Colorado give: Jack Redden + Matt Buntine + Rook 51
ele to confirm, apologies.
Quote from: Koop on December 05, 2016, 09:05:15 PM
Yeah my error. Still getting used to the teams & who owns what team, etc.
Boston give: Hugh Goddard + Taylor Garner + Rook 36
Colorado give: Jack Redden + Matt Buntine + Rook 51
ele to confirm, apologies.
Confirmed. I'm too happy with my JT pick to even consider putting him in the deal haha, so this works well.
Boston Give: Seb Ross + Daniel Rich
Quito Gives: Bryce Gibbs + Martin Gleeson
FTC to confirm
Quote from: elephants on February 06, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
Boston Give: Seb Ross + Daniel Rich
Quito Gives: Bryce Gibbs + Martin Gleeson
FTC to confirm
Confirmed.
A very difficult trade to make, but Quito is trying to find the right balance for a sustained move up the ladder, staying competitive now while setting good groundwork to be a contender down the track.
Gibbs was our current captain, but I am hopeful that Ross can continue to improve and become another option for the C.
Ross also has a large age gap on Gibbs, and I believe that Ross will still be at his peak when our younger guys like McCluggage, Hopper, Dunkley etc. are also arriving at that top level.
We've lost quite a bit of experience in the midfield this off-season, so it was important to add another starter in Rich, who can hopefully become a fantasy defender again some stage down the track.
This trade sets us up nicely looking forward, but ensures we are no pushover for the time being, with the extra midfielder in Rich having a big impact on who slides into the last midfield and utility spots.