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Title: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on April 26, 2016, 12:46:10 AM
Fixtures
Quito Quetzals vs Colorado Avalanche
Houston Bombers vs Las Vegas Sinners
Ottawa Otters vs Santiago Cockerels
Anaheim Mighty Ducks vs Carolina Panthers
New Brooklyn Hawks vs San Francisco Grizzlies
Chicago Sharks vs Boston Terriers

Ladder:
Boston Terriers   4   1   631   562   112.28
Santiago Cockerels   4   1   616   574   107.31
Chicago Sharks   4   1   604   564   107.09
Anaheim Mighty Ducks    3   2   595   574   103.66
New Brooklyn Hawks   3   2   552   572   96.50
Houston Bombers   2   3   569   573   99.30
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Quito Quetzals   2   3   563   572   98.43
Colorado Avalanche   2   3   563   574   98.08
Carolina Panthers   2   3   554   571   97.02
Ottawa Otters   2   3   570   588   96.94
San Francisco Grizzlies   1   4   585   608   96.21
Las Vegas Sinners   1   4   435   485   89.69

Lockout will occur at the start of North Melbourne vs Western Bulldogs at 7:50pm EST on Friday the 29th of April.

Full Fixture list: http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,105841.0.html
Team lists: http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,99246.0.html

Team Submission
D: A. Player, B. Player, C. Player, D. Player
M: E. Player (c), F. Player (vc), G. Player, H. Player, I. Player, J. Player
R: K. Player
F: L. Player (evc), M. Player, N. Player, O. Player
U: P. Player, Q. Player, R. Player
Emg: S. Player, T. Player, U. Player, V. Player (sub)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on April 26, 2016, 01:42:38 AM
D: H. Shaw (cc), K. Kolodjashnij, J. Pittard, SD Thompson
M: J. Viney, S. Coniglio, O. Wines, A. Swallow, J. Steven, K. Jack
R: S. Martin (evc)
F: B. Deledio (cc), L. Montagna, E. Betts, T. Hawkins
U: A. Miles, R. Douglas, C. Guthrie

Emg: A. Christensen, P. Wright, N. Smith, M. Leuenberger (sub)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 26, 2016, 07:00:17 AM
Anaheim

D: Enright, Birchall, B Smith, Fantasia
M: Danger (CC), Hannebery (CC), Boak, Greenwood, Bell, Langford
R: Nicholls
F: Greene, Zerrett, D Smith, Stokes
I/C: Rosa, Seedsman, Tippa

Emerg: Turner (F), Butler (sub), Tucker (D)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: nas on April 26, 2016, 08:06:56 AM
Panthers:

D: Sam Docherty, Luke McDonald, Nathan Krakouer, Matthew Boyd.
M: Callan Ward (C), JPKennedy, Dylan Shiel, Marcus Bontempelli, Josh Kelly, Shane Edwards.
R: Shane Mumford.
F: Dustin Martin (VC), Steve Johnson (EVC), Cyril Rioli, Ben McGlynn.
U: Daniel Rioli, Rory Aitkins, Dougal Howard.

E: Sam Mayes (B), Connor Menadue (M), Brodie Grundy (R), Sam Day (F/D), (Sub)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: popedelio on April 26, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
Chicago Sharks

D: Tom McDonald, Josh Gibson (EVC), Shaun Burgoyne, Tom Sheridan
M: Joel Selwood (VC), Andrew Gaff, Luke Parker (C), Liam Picken, Sam Gibson, Dom Tyson
R: Callum Sinclair
F: Brent Harvey, Tom T. Lynch, Jake Stringer, Sam Kerridge
U: Elliot Yeo [M/D], Daniel Wells [F/M], Daniel Menzel [F]
Emg: Sean Dempster [D], James Sicily [F], Rory Lobb [R/F], Clayton Oliver [M] (sub)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: powersuperkents on April 26, 2016, 10:35:30 PM
Santiago Cockerels

D: Dane Rampe, Nick Malceski, Mark Baguley, Eric Mackenzie
M: Gary Ablett Jnr. (C), Luke Shuey, Mitch Duncan, David Armitage, Jack Macrae, Hamish Hartlett
R: Max Gawn (EVC)
F: Jarrad Waite, Dayne Zorko (VC), Josh J. Kennedy, Jack Billings
U: Lachie Whitfield, Luke Dunstan, Touk Miller (M/F)

E: David Mackay (mid), Alex Sexton (mid/fwd), Trent McKenzie (back), Josh Jenkins (sub)

In: Josh Jenkins, Eric Mackenzie
Out: Adam Saad (injured), Alex Sexton (omitted)

Subject to Changes
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: T Dog on April 27, 2016, 10:49:44 AM
Colorado Avalanche

Backs:  J. Bartel; J. Harbrow; T. Bugg; Z. Tuohy
Mids:  Scott Thompson (C); M. Murphy; I. Smith; L. Hunter (VC); T. Scully(DVC); L. Hodge;
Ruck:  T. Hickey;
Forwards:  A. Hall; Sam Gray; A. Fasolo; D. Kent
Utilities: B. Ebert; E. Curnow; D. Mundy;
Reserves: H.Grundy (D); B. Longer (R); L. McCarthy (F); J. Redden (M)(Sub);
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: powersuperkents on April 28, 2016, 08:02:25 PM
Kieran Lovell... to play, or not to play  ;D

I'll probably see how he goes this week before naming him... With any luck I'll have a second Ablett in my side  ;)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 28, 2016, 08:07:22 PM
Anaheim

D: Enright, Birchall, Fantasia, Rosa
M: Danger (VC), Hannebery (C), Boak, Greenwood, Bell, B Smith
R: Turner (OOP)
F: Greene, Zerrett (EVC), Stokes, Simpkin
I/C: Seedsman, Tippa, Tucker

Emerg: Hombsch (D), B Jacobs (M). Goodyear (M), Butler (sub)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 28, 2016, 08:35:38 PM
Nicaragua Survivors

D: Heath Shaw, Grant Birchall, Matthew Broadbent, Marcus Adams
M: Tom Mitchell (C), Callan Ward (VC), Mitch Duncan, Lachie Hunter, Hamish Hartlett, Nick Dal Santo
R: Tom Hickey
F: Luke Dahlhaus, Joe Daniher, Toby McLean, Mitch Brown
I/C: Jack Newnes, Andrew Swallow, Liam Picken

Emerg: Billy Longer (R),  Zach Tuohy (D), Daniel Rioli (F), Mackenzie Willis (M)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Nige on April 28, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
Wrong comp bud!
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 28, 2016, 09:51:48 PM
Quote from: Nige on April 28, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
Wrong comp bud!

lol classic kb

thanks
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: SydneyRox on April 28, 2016, 11:46:06 PM
Las Vegas Sinners

DEF: Harry Taylor, Brad Sheppard, Christian Salem, Lynden Dunn
MID: Tom Rockliff(EVC), Jordan Lewis, Jack Ziebell, Josh Caddy, Tom Mitchell(C), Jake Lloyd
RUCK: Kurt Tippet
FWD: Lance Franklin(VC), Justin Westhoff, Taylor Walker, Jeff Garlett
UTI: Harry Cunningham(FWD), Jordan De Goey
EMERG:  Sam Wright(DEF), Jarryd Lyons(MID) SUB, Tim Obrien(FWD), Jonathon Griffin (RUC)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: elephants on April 29, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
Boston Terriers

D: R.Laird, S.Biggs, S.Hurn, D.Rich
M: S.Pendlebury (evc), M.Priddis (c), L.Neale, T.Cotchin, M.Wallis, N.DalSanto
R: T.Goldstein (vc)
F: N.Riewoldt, L.Dahlhaus, M.LeCras, M.Robinson
U: J.Howe, J.Kelly, Z.Smith

Emg: J.Webster (d), A.Young (m), T.Nankervis (r), S.Wellingham (sub)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Nige on April 29, 2016, 03:30:56 PM
Ottawa Otters

D: Easton Wood, Jeremy McGovern, Matt Broadbent, Marcus Adams
M: Adam Treloar (c), David Zaharakis (vc), Pearce Hanley, Dion Prestia, Ben Cunnington, Liam Shiels
R: Nic Naitanui
F: Jesse Hogan, Luke Breust, Rhys Palmer, Sam Lloyd
I: Nathan Jones, Shaun Grigg, Kamdyn McIntosh

E: Phil Davis (def/mid), Ben Kennedy (fwd/mid), Ryan Lester (mid), Ben McEvoy (ruck - sub)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Pkbaldy on April 29, 2016, 04:56:33 PM
New Brooklyn Hawks

DEF: Bachar Houli, Taylor Duryea, Nathan Wilson, Lee Spurr
MID: Steele Sidebottom (C), Tom Liberatore (VC), Mark Blicavs (EVC), Patrick Cripps, Matt Crouch, Jack Newnes
RCK: Sam Jacobs
FWD: Jack Gunston, Daisy Thomas, Lewis Taylor, Mav Weller
UTIL: Brendon Ah Chee, Ben Brown, Adam Oxley
EMG: James Frawley (D), Blake Acres (SUB) (M), Daniel Currie (R), Tory Dickson (F)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: GoLions on April 29, 2016, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on April 29, 2016, 04:56:33 PM
New Brooklyn Hawks

DEF: Bachar Houli, Taylor Duryea, Nathan Wilson, Lee Spurr
MID: Steele Sidebottom (C), Tom Liberatore, Mark Blicavs (EVC), Patrick Cripps (VC), Matt Crouch, Jack Newnes
RCK: Sam Jacobs
FWD: Jack Gunston, Daisy Thomas, Lewis Taylor, Mav Weller Ben Brown
UTIL: Brendon Ah Chee, Ben Brown Daniel Currie, Adam Oxley
EMG: James Frawley (D), Blake Acres (SUB) (M), Daniel Currie Mav Weller (OOP R), Tory Dickson (F)
Few changes
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jay on April 29, 2016, 06:05:37 PM
Houston Bombers

Def: Jamie Macmillan, Jacob Weitering, Andrew Mackie, Sam Fisher
Mid: Rory Sloane (C), Brandon Ellis, Chris Masten, Bernie Vince (VC), Koby Stevens, Stephen Hill
Ruc: Matthew Kreuzer
Fwd: Steven Motlop, Jack Riewoldt, Jack Darling, Michael Walters
Int: Bradley Hill, Isaac Heeney, Kane Lambert

Emg: Jack Crisp (sub)(mid), Paul Puopolo (fwd), Harry O'Brien (def), Rhys Stanley (ruc/fwd)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Memphistopheles on April 29, 2016, 08:41:37 PM
Quito Quetzals

Backs: Jarrad McVeigh Kade Simpson, Shane Savage,  Jordan Roughead
Mids: Sam Mitchell (C), Brendon Goddard (VC), Ryan Griffen, Bryce Gibbs (EVC), Michael Barlow, Jared Polec
Ruck: Ivan Maric
Forwards: Shaun Higgins, Tom J Lynch, Toby McLean, Jeremy Cameron
Utilities: Scott Lycett, Jesse Lonergan,

E: Tom Langdon (D), Adam Cooney (F), Callum Mills (M) (SUB).
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: powersuperkents on April 29, 2016, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on April 26, 2016, 10:35:30 PM
Santiago Cockerels

D: Dane Rampe (97), Nick Malceski (71), Mark Baguley, Eric Mackenzie
M: Gary Ablett Jnr. (204), Luke Shuey, Mitch Duncan (98), David Armitage (82), Jack Macrae (111), Hamish Hartlett (76)
R: Max Gawn (92)
F: Jarrad Waite (105), Dayne Zorko (165), Josh J. Kennedy, Jack Billings (96)
U: Lachie Whitfield (135), Luke Dunstan (84), Touk Miller (32)

E: David Mackay (89), Alex Sexton (mid/fwd), Trent McKenzie (12), Josh Jenkins (sub - 75)
15/1, 1535

Flowering Spud Baguley  >:(

Spud McKenzie comes in for spud Baguley

Spud McKenzie subbed out for Josh Jenkins + 12 HGA  >:( flowering McKenzie
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on April 29, 2016, 11:40:58 PM
2/237 vs 2/121...I'd say this week's going good so far :P

Inb4 am about 10/700 before I know it
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: nas on April 30, 2016, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: nas on April 26, 2016, 08:06:56 AM
Panthers:

D: Sam Docherty (76), Luke McDonald (55), Nathan Krakouer (73), Matthew Boyd (120).
M: Callan Ward (C 128 x 2 = 256), JPKennedy (99), Dylan Shiel (110), Marcus Bontempelli(83), Josh Kelly (97), Shane Edwards (88).
R: Shane Mumford (93).
F: Dustin Martin (VC 127 x 1.5 = 191), Steve Johnson (124), Cyril Rioli (64), Ben McGlynn (77).
U: Daniel Rioli (39), Rory Aitkins (79), Dougal Howard (46).

E: Sam Mayes (46) (B), Connor Menadue (52) (M), Brodie Grundy (R), Sam Day (50) (F/D), (Sub)

18 / 1770
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: T Dog on April 30, 2016, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: T Dog on April 27, 2016, 10:49:44 AM
Colorado Avalanche

Backs:  J. Bartel 123; J. Harbrow 45; T. Bugg 77; Z. Tuohy 85
Mids:  Scott Thompson (C) 88x2=176; M. Murphy 100; I. Smith 41; L. Hunter (VC) 150x1.5=225; T. Scully(DVC) 107; L. Hodge 61;
Ruck:  T. Hickey 103;
Forwards:  A. Hall 76; Sam Gray 80; A. Fasolo; D. Kent 42
Utilities: B. Ebert 79; E. Curnow 95; D. Mundy 82;
Reserves: H.Grundy (D); B. Longer (R); L. McCarthy (F); J. Redden (M)(Sub);

17 / 1597
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on April 30, 2016, 11:38:12 PM
We're back baby! 1796 add Jack, Stef Martin, and sub (Leuenberger, current lowest score 64), should be a decent shot at topping 2000 (or at least come very close to it).

Knowing us tho we'll probably still find a way to lose it.
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on May 01, 2016, 05:58:48 PM
Quito-Colorado, Houston-Las Vegas, Anaheim-Carolina, and Chicago-Boston all look pretty close on paper atm (I'll be doing all the scores again)

Santiago and San Francisco look to be the only relative-certainties at this stage, with SF needing a 113 from Leuenberger to crack the 2000 (thanks a lot, Jack and Stef).
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 01, 2016, 06:03:05 PM
Anaheim

D: Enright 57, Birchall 90, Fantasia, Rosa 52
M: Danger 198 (VC), Hannebery 272 (C), Boak 103, Greenwood, Bell 70, B Smith 82
R: Turner 2 lol (OOP)
F: Greene 115, Zerrett (EVC), Stokes, Simpkin
I/C: Seedsman 60, Tippa, Tucker 34

Emerg: Hombsch (D), B Jacobs (M). Goodyear (M), Butler (sub)

1133/11 not including Turner cause will get Butler's score for him
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on May 01, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
Quick update: Colorado*, Houston*, Santiago*, Carolina**, San Francisco**, and Boston* looking the winners, without looking at WCE-Pies scores

*will be relatively close and with some luck the result could go the other way
**pretty much guaranteed victories
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: powersuperkents on May 01, 2016, 07:59:11 PM
Flower off Nic Nat has +100 SC points... That's the worst case of SC bias I've ever seen (and I have Gaj in my side)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on May 01, 2016, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 01, 2016, 07:59:11 PM
Flower off Nic Nat has +100 SC points... That's the worst case of SC bias I've ever seen (and I have Gaj in my side)

Pre-scaling I think you've lost by 58 SC points, so even if Cd was not biased I'm pretty sure you still would have lost unfortunately.
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on May 01, 2016, 08:39:51 PM
Quito Quetzals 16.13.109 lost to Colorado Avalanche 17.15.117
(Real: 1636 vs 1749)

Coming into this game, both teams were on 2-3, placed 7th and 8th, and really needed the victory to boost their chances of playing finals football. Lachie Hunter (154) saw this need and delivered as vice-captain as the Avalanche got back on even terms, while Quito fall to 2-4. Quito's midfield was mostly good, with scores of 70, 97, 130, 134, 103, and 109 - it's unfortunate that they picked the 70 as captain and 97 as vice-captain.

Best
Quito: Barlow, Gibbs, Lycett, Cooney, Polec, Simpson, Goddard
Colorado: Hunter, Bartel, Hickey, Scully, Redden, Murphy, Curnow


Houston Bombers 15.17.107 defeated Las Vegas Sinners 15.16.106
(Real: 1604 vs 1592)

Heartbreak for the Sinners as Jack Crisp's late 124 as the sub gets the Bombers home! Both teams were hurt by passengers, with Houston's HGA of just 14 proving the difference in the clash. The Bombers straighten to 3-3, but weren't very impressive in doing so.

Best
Houston: Motlop, Crisp, Walters, Hill, Sloane, Ellis
Las Vegas: Caddy, Franklin, Mitchell, Tippett


Ottawa Otters 19.10.124 defeated Santiago Cockerels 18.12.120
(Real: 1864 vs 1798)

In an opposite style of game to our previous match, the Otters win at home in a high scoring game. Although underdogs heading into the final stretch, Naitanui and Treloar (c) were sensational, while Mackenzie (44) struggled - as did his namesake McKenzie, who was subbed off for just 12 after coming in to replace Mark Baguley. Otters climb to 3-3, while Santiago probably drop their share of the ladder lead.

Best
Ottawa: Naitanui, Hogan, Grigg, Hanley, Treloar, Jones, Cunnington, Prestia
Santiago: Whitfield, Macrae, Shuey, Zorko, Waite, Billings, Ablett, Duncan, Rampe


Anaheim Mighty Ducks 15.15.105 lost to Carolina Panthers 18.13.121
(Real: 1574 vs 1816)

Just far too many passengers for Anaheim as they fall to 3-3 with 10 scores at or below 60, where the Panthers will join them after an impressive performance on the other side of the states. Eerily, both teams nailed their captaincy decisions: both had their captain top-score for the team (Hannebery and Ward), and their vice-captain score second most (Dangerfield and Martin) - and Carolina's EVC Stevie J had their third highest score. Coincidence...I think not!

Best
Anaheim: Hannebery, Dangerfield, Greene, Boak
Carolina: Ward, Martin, Johnson, Boyd, Shiel, Kelly, Kennedy


New Brooklyn Hawks 16.13.109 lost to San Francisco Grizzlies 20.10.130
(Real: 1639 vs 1957)

Another week, another mauling by the Grizzlies...where was this the first month? 7 scores over 110, highlighted by co-captain Shaw's 143 and Tom Hawkins' 140, went a long way for the Grizzlies - although they had solid consistency too, with Miles' 64 being the lowest score (and the sub not being activated). Daisy Thomas was very good for the Hawks and Acres showed potential as the sub, but they were not good enough at home as they fall to 3-3.

Best
New Brooklyn: Thomas, Jacobs, Acres, Houli, Gunston, Blicavs
San Francisco: Shaw, Hawkins, Thompson, Viney, Steven, Coniglio, Swallow, Pittard, Guthrie


Chicago Sharks 16.15.111 lost to Boston Terriers 16.16.112
(Real: 1667 vs 1680)

Another one-point win this round as the Sharks desperately unlucky - if they named Lobb (120) sub over Oliver (DNP) they would have won! That's gotta hurt. Terriers stay at the top, although they probably don't deserve to, while the Sharks are knocked down to 4-2.

Best
Chicago: Parker, Selwood, Menzel, Wells
Boston: Robinson, Riewoldt, LeCras, Dahlhaus, Neale, Rich, Smith, Pendlebury
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 01, 2016, 09:01:07 PM
knew we were getting lucky in those early rounds
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: powersuperkents on May 01, 2016, 09:02:22 PM
Flowering M(a)c(k/K)enzies!!!!  >:(

A lot of players need to get the chop but I always bring in the wrong depth player

Too many passengers and not enough premiums to get the win

Very disappointed in that effort (Kennedy owes me 7 goals next week)  :'(
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: T Dog on May 01, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 01, 2016, 09:02:22 PM
Flowering M(a)c(k/K)enzies!!!!  >:(

A lot of players need to get the chop but I always bring in the wrong depth player

Too many passengers and not enough premiums to get the win

Very disappointed in that effort (Kennedy owes me 7 goals next week)  :'(

Trade Hard..Trade Early....Trade Often... ;)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: powersuperkents on May 01, 2016, 09:07:12 PM
Quote from: T Dog on May 01, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 01, 2016, 09:02:22 PM
Flowering M(a)c(k/K)enzies!!!!  >:(

A lot of players need to get the chop but I always bring in the wrong depth player

Too many passengers and not enough premiums to get the win

Very disappointed in that effort (Kennedy owes me 7 goals next week)  :'(

Trade Hard..Trade Early....Trade Often... ;)
There's a few players I'll be looking to off-load - I'll leave it to the players to decide whether their fantasy footballing abilities would better serve another fantasy football club hahaha
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: popedelio on May 01, 2016, 09:09:36 PM
why did I make Oliver sub? What was I thinking... hahaha
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on May 01, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
Ladder
Boston Terriers   5   1   743   673   110.40
Chicago Sharks   4   2   715   676   105.77
Santiago Cockerels   4   2   736   698   105.44
Anaheim Mighty Ducks    3   3   700   695   100.72
Carolina Panthers   3   3   675   676   99.85
Colorado Avalanche   3   3   680   683   99.56
-------------------------------------------------------------
Houston Bombers   3   3   676   679   99.56
Ottawa Otters   3   3   694   708   98.02
New Brooklyn Hawks   3   3   661   702   94.16
San Francisco Grizzlies   2   4   715   717   99.72
Quito Quetzals   2   4   672   689   97.53
Las Vegas Sinners   1   5   541   592   91.39


Third highest scoring team, third bottom on the ladder  8)
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Jukes on May 01, 2016, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: popedelio on May 01, 2016, 09:09:36 PM
why did I make Oliver sub? What was I thinking... hahaha

You moved up a spot on the ladder, so tanking worked :P
Title: Re: Round 6 Thread
Post by: Nige on May 01, 2016, 10:40:07 PM
Hahaha yess! Up the Otters! A sneaky comeback underdog victory is fine by me.

Bad luck PSK, definitely the better team of the two of us, I got very lucky I reckon. Still got a soft spot for my old boys at Santiago!