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Who do we want to see in the round 1 team?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 14, 2016, 10:27:37 PM
Who do we want to see in the round 1 team?
Broad. He has a good head on him and will develop quickly if given games.
Quote from: Ricochet on March 15, 2016, 01:12:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 14, 2016, 10:27:37 PM
Who do we want to see in the round 1 team?
Broad. He has a good head on him and will develop quickly if given games.
I'd love to see him out there but I think it's gonna be tough.
Rance, Chaplin, Grimes, Houli, Vlastuin, Yarran, Batchelor, Astbury, Broad all fighting for 6 spots
Quote from: quinny88 on March 15, 2016, 01:42:13 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on March 15, 2016, 01:12:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 14, 2016, 10:27:37 PM
Who do we want to see in the round 1 team?
Broad. He has a good head on him and will develop quickly if given games.
I'd love to see him out there but I think it's gonna be tough.
Rance, Chaplin, Grimes, Houli, Vlastuin, Yarran, Batchelor, Astbury, Broad all fighting for 6 spots
7* (one defender on the bench) but yeh I get what you mean man. I just really want him to play :)
flower yeah, called it! My boy Jason Castagna elevated to the senior list! 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: Nige on March 15, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
flower yeah, called it! My boy Jason Castagna elevated to the senior list! 8) 8) 8)
Didn't even hear about this! Was that our last spot in the list?
GEORGY BOY
Just watched the injury report
Edwards to play round 1
Grigg round 2
Townsend round 1
Conca 8-10 weeks ::)
Leaves a couple of spots open as Grigg and Conca would have more than likely been in the round 1 side
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-15/castagna-upgraded-to-senior-list
That's the article re: Castagna's upgrade for those interested.
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Quote from: quinny88 on March 16, 2016, 02:26:27 AM
Quote from: Nige on March 15, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
flower yeah, called it! My boy Jason Castagna elevated to the senior list! 8) 8) 8)
Didn't even hear about this! Was that our last spot in the list?
Yep. so we'll need LTIs for anymore upgrades. That probably means Marcon isn't an option for fantasy teams unless we decided to LTI Conca which I don't think will happen.
Hardwick's contract has been extended for a further 2 years :)
Good call to get this done before round 1. The Media would have turned it into a distraction had his contract not been extended by round 10 or so.
chaplin finished? surely only a back up from now on...
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on March 17, 2016, 11:05:54 AM
chaplin finished? surely only a back up from now on...
Seems like he'll play forward if preseason is anything to go by.
forward thinking
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-recruit-chris-yarran-to-undergo-surgery-on-left-foot-will-miss-six-weeks-with-injury/news-story/cc86108378412ad28db509b83140ddcb
QuoteRICHMOND recruit Chris Yarran will undergo surgery on his troublesome left foot as the club attempts to fix an ongoing problem.
Yarran is expected to miss the first six weeks of the season after going under the knife to repair plantar fascia tissue.
Well, there's another best 22 spot opened up.
I bet this played a part in the decision to elevate Castagna too.
Still, good news for those who want Broad to get a game.
Conca on the LTI list too so there's another rookie spot. Marcon or Chol?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 17, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
Conca on the LTI list too so there's another rookie spot. Marcon or Chol?
As much as Mabior Chol is the biggest legend at the club, it'll probably be Marcon.
Chol's still got a bit of learning and developing to do, but from his NAB, I'd say he'll do well in the VFL throughout the year. Marcon is at least ready to go and play whenever we need him being a mature body.
Quote from: Nige on March 17, 2016, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 17, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
Conca on the LTI list too so there's another rookie spot. Marcon or Chol?
As much as Mabior Chol is the biggest legend at the club, it'll probably be Marcon.
Chol's still got a bit of learning and developing to do, but from his NAB, I'd say he'll do well in the VFL throughout the year. Marcon is at least ready to go and play whenever we need him being a mature body.
Yeah I agree Nige. Chol really got shown up in the Port game. Gonna be a long term project
Yeah with Conca gone, Marcon and option for round one now
I think Rioli may be more likely than Marcon to play round 1. Dimma stated that he was a 50/50 to play round 1 before the extent of the injuries were known so he may be a very good chance now. I see the round 1 team lining up something like this
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin
Houli, Chaplin, Batchelor
Ellis, Martin, Menadue
Deledio, Riewoldt, Edwards
Lambert, Vickery, Rioli
Maric, Cotchin, Miles
Townsend, Broad, McIntosh, Giffiths
three debutants for rnd 1... nice. 8) Didn't know Menadue was that good,( to play on a wing )
Quote from: frenzy on March 21, 2016, 12:05:37 AM
three debutants for rnd 1... nice. 8) Didn't know Menadue was that good,( to play on a wing )
Well it's down to who is fit for round 1. Deledio now likely to miss too so that seals Menadue in the side even more
Quote from: quinny88 on March 18, 2016, 05:16:04 PM
I think Rioli may be more likely than Marcon to play round 1. Dimma stated that he was a 50/50 to play round 1 before the extent of the injuries were known so he may be a very good chance now. I see the round 1 team lining up something like this
Grimes, Rance, Vlastuin
Houli, Chaplin, Batchelor
Ellis, Martin, Menadue
Deledio, Riewoldt, Edwards
Lambert, Vickery, Rioli
Maric, Cotchin, Miles
Townsend, Broad, McIntosh, Giffiths
Ben Lennon missing from that team, he'll play.
Maric looking likely to miss the season opener as well...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-21/maric-in-doubt
It's Hammer time! Makes me nervous about our ruck depth, as Hampson isn't the most durable either.
I'm thinking the team might look something like this:
FB: Grimes, Rance, Batchelor
HB: Vlastuin, Chaplin, Houli
C: Ellis, Townsend, Menadue
HF: Lambert, Riewoldt, Martin
FF: Lennon, Vickery, Edwards
Fol: Hampson, Cotchin, Miles
I/C: Griffiths, McIntosh, Broad, Rioli
Still a coin toss as to whether they go with Astbury or Chaplin IMO. Would've thought only one will play though.
All these outs are making me incredibly nervous considering we typically have close games with the Blues in the season opener as it is.
Lids, Ivan, Grigg, Conca all missing.
I think Chaplin will play because of all those outs tbh. The experience might be necessary. Given Lids, Ivan and Grigg are all amongst the older and experienced heads at the club. Also can play both ends potentially.
Round 1 Team
B: Astbury, Rance, Grimes
HB: Vlastuin, Houli, B. Ellis
C: Griffiths, C. Ellis, McIntosh
HF: Lambert, Martin, Edwards
F: Riewoldt, Lloyd, Vickery
R: Hampson, Townsend, Cotchin
IC: Morris, Menadue, Miles, Rioli
Em: A. Moore, Hunt, Chaplin
That's the Round 1 team to face Carlton.
I'm most surprised by the lack of Lennon, Batchelor and to a lesser extent, Chaplin.
Major what the flower at the inclusion of Morris, but I guess we know Dimma's got a bit of hard on for the lad.
Lids, Ivan and possibly Grigg and Chappy to come in next week, and then maybe guys like Batch and Beatle, so a whole bunch of guys are playing for their spots, especially if we lose.
How the hell can you play Rioli over Lennon??
Drafted and selected because of his name. Because he was shower in the NAB challenge, and he should have been a 2nd/3rd rounder for the draft.
Good to see Townsend and Menadue playing. Hope they kill it.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on March 23, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
How the hell can you play Rioli over Lennon??
Drafted and selected because of his name. Because he was shower in the NAB challenge, and he should have been a 2nd/3rd rounder for the draft.
Good to see Townsend and Menadue playing. Hope they kill it.
Have you been staring at your own pic too long? ;D
Got a few missing! Lucky we're only playing Carlton ;)
I would say Lennon is injured or sore. He's not even an emergency
Quote from: Pkbaldy on March 23, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
Drafted and selected because of his name. Because he was shower in the NAB challenge, and he should have been a 2nd/3rd rounder for the draft.
???
No Broad :(
Quote from: Toga on March 23, 2016, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: Pkbaldy on March 23, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
Drafted and selected because of his name. Because he was shower in the NAB challenge, and he should have been a 2nd/3rd rounder for the draft.
???
I still semi-agree with that tbh. He's gonna have to win me over like Corey Ellis did.
Corey Ellis surprise a few? I really rate the kid, but there hasn't been much talk of him in forums etc.
Well as someone who follows the draft very closely. It was utterly stupid for him to go that early.
I like the C.Ellis choice. Pretty well under rated for that years draft. Has elite awareness and pretty good disposal. So choosing the mixture of Awareness (Ellis) and Toughness (Townsend) to assist Cotchin and B.Ellis through the middle was a smart choice. And I also guess Dimma is over confident that you'll win this game. So good to test things out against the suspected bottom side.
Yeh nice mate. I've been reading a few things and the Tigers rate him extremely highly. Touted him as the best kick of last years draft pool. Looking forward to seeing how he goes.
Quote from: shorty3264 on March 24, 2016, 11:13:06 AM
Yeh nice mate. I've been reading a few things and the Tigers rate him extremely highly. Touted him as the best kick of last years draft pool. Looking forward to seeing how he goes.
Just a matter of being able to find and get the pill. He could be a decent rookie choice in fantasy too.
Hes' not a huge possession getter iirc and plays more outside than inside, expect him to play a bit from half forward with stints in the middle.
yeah, nah.
Beatle kicked 4 in the VFL, surely gets a look next week!
Quote from: Nige on March 25, 2016, 07:44:28 PM
Beatle kicked 4 in the VFL, surely gets a look next week!
Paul McCarthy or Ringo Nige? ;D
Quote from: T Dog on March 25, 2016, 08:09:44 PM
Quote from: Nige on March 25, 2016, 07:44:28 PM
Beatle kicked 4 in the VFL, surely gets a look next week!
Paul McCarthy or Ringo Nige? ;D
Lennon's alive and kicking! ;)
I liked seeing some different faces get a run but let's get real now and get the big boys back in
Deledio apparently unlikely again and obviously Conca and Yaz a while off but there need to be a few changes to get some experience back on the park. We were a year younger than Carlton last night!
Quote from: quinny88 on March 26, 2016, 01:59:32 AM
I liked seeing some different faces get a run but let's get real now and get the big boys back in
Deledio apparently unlikely again and obviously Conca and Yaz a while off but there need to be a few changes to get some experience back on the park. We were a year younger than Carlton last night!
Agreed.
I think Chaplin will come in for this reason.
Grigg and Maric are almost certain to be back.
So roughly something like
Hammer -> Maric
Morris -> Grigg
The question is who comes out to get Chaplin and Lennon in, I think Rioli's probably the only other player whose spot is on the line meaning a tough call will have to made.
Potentially maybe something like Rioli -> Lennon and Griffiths -> Chaplin?
I get the feeling that Rioli will keep his spot
Shane Edwards has had minor surgery on his hand so he'll miss next week's game against the Pies on Friday night.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-26/edwards-to-miss-after-minor-surgery
This probably means Rioli gets another chance.
Quote from: Nige on March 26, 2016, 02:14:24 PM
Shane Edwards has had minor surgery on his hand so he'll miss next week's game against the Pies on Friday night.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-26/edwards-to-miss-after-minor-surgery
This probably means Rioli gets another chance.
Good for Menadue/Ellis as well I'm guessing
Quote from: Ricochet on March 26, 2016, 03:18:05 PM
Quote from: Nige on March 26, 2016, 02:14:24 PM
Shane Edwards has had minor surgery on his hand so he'll miss next week's game against the Pies on Friday night.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-26/edwards-to-miss-after-minor-surgery
This probably means Rioli gets another chance.
Good for Menadue/Ellis as well I'm guessing
Definitely, although Menadue's safe as houses after that Round 1 performance, was one of our best.
I can see
Hammer -> Maric
Morris -> Grigg
Edwards -> Lennon
And then not sure on Chaplin. Grimes wasn't fantastic so will have pressure on to perform this week.
Quote from: Toga on March 26, 2016, 04:41:46 PM
I can see
Hammer -> Maric
Morris -> Grigg
Edwards -> Lennon
And then not sure on Chaplin. Grimes wasn't fantastic so will have pressure on to perform this week.
Makes sense. Maric and Grigg bring plenty of experience in with them which is exactly what we'll need.
To state the bleedin obvious our midfield needs to lift big time this week we were soundly beaten most of the game against the Blues only Lambert late got us out of trouble , Cotchin has to lift I know it was only round 1 but he is starting to have to many games like that one he needs to be a leader and a captain and dig in and he needs some help Miles was poor as well along with B Ellis , expect a fired up Magpies this week another performance like that won't get the points
how is brandon ellis still getting a game? hasn't really come on, has he? poor decision maker, especially under pressure, can't kick, especially under pressure, gets shut down easily...
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on March 29, 2016, 05:33:07 PM
how is brandon ellis still getting a game? hasn't really come on, has he? poor decision maker, especially under pressure, can't kick, especially under pressure, gets shut down easily...
Looked to be playing a bit more in the back half against Carlton... Surely that won't continue, needs to revert to his role from last season on the wing to really excel imo.
Any news on Maric and Lids boys? Can we expect both back this week?
Think that's a bit harsh on Brando, he's only 22 and has played some pretty damn good footy in his short career. Wasn't great on the weekend but that could be said about most of the team.
Apparently Lids is unlikely again but not sure on Maric.
Lids won't play, they're gonna give him another week.
Maric should come in, I think he's over the back soreness and Hampson was horrid.
Lids and Edwards are just so important to that half forward line. We lack pace and class without them. I actually don't think we will win with both of them missing but I hope I'm wrong
Quote from: quinny88 on March 29, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
Lids and Edwards are just so important to that half forward line. We lack pace and class without them. I actually don't think we will win with both of them missing but I hope I'm wrong
I think the close call this past week is gonna be a wake up call, plus Collingwood will be hungry for a win after getting straight up embarrassed by the Swans.
We're gonna get Maric and Grigg back which is a welcome boost, especially when it comes to experience and level heads in tough times. I hope and think Lennon will come in, you can't keep a bloke like him in the reserves after he kicked 4.
I still expect:
Quote from: Toga on March 26, 2016, 04:41:46 PM
Hammer -> Maric
Morris -> Grigg
Edwards -> Lennon
Plus with Rioli and Menadue, pace and class aren't too much of an issue, Menadue in particular embodies both of those imo.
Brandon Ellis' running ability make him an asset to the club on a wing. I'm confused as to why you think he shouldn't be getting a game!
Lennon in for Edwards this week?
Bring in Mr Bean and Costanza! Can't have players with those names on your list and not play them imho. And totally not because I have both in BXVs.
The latest murmurs suggest Ivan won't get up for this week.
Grigg is a certain starter though.
HARDWICK PRESS CONFERENCE
Deledio: He's running at full speed. When he's kicking he's still got some acute pain. He has to get through a period of training first.
Ivan: He won't play this week. He's in the same boat with Brett, hasn't played a lot of footy.
Grigg: He'll play. There's some good news there.
Collingwood: They're a side that played really well over the NAB cup. We're looking to play a hell of a lot better than we did. Whilst Collingwood are expected to come out in form, so are we.
Cloke: We hope he'll be back on track.. We just hope not this week
In: Short, Grigg, Hunt
Out: Shedda, Morris, Rioli
Obviously means no Lennon or Chaplin.
Short being elevated makes a lot more sense now with Rioli being dropped.
Lennon must have banged the coaches wife or something. I would have him in well ahead of a first gamer but we'll done to Shorty anyway, let's see how he goes!
Quote from: quinny88 on April 01, 2016, 02:38:21 AM
Lennon must have banged the coaches wife or something. I would have him in well ahead of a first gamer but we'll done to Shorty anyway, let's see how he goes!
Haha I reckon! 4 goals in the VFL and can't get a gig. Majorly stiff.
Rage filled rant straight from Reddit.
That was absolutely flowering garbage.
Like, there were maybe a few good passages of play and a couple of outstanding individual efforts, but the injuries to 1/4 of the side and Auskick level skills completely ruined our game.
Houli, Dusty, McIntosh were all outstanding. Chuck in pretty solid efforts from Jack, Lambert, Townsend and Lloyd and there actually was something decent stuff going on.
But boy oh boy. The kicking for goal. You can't get so many inside 50s and make nothing of them. The injury to Grimes was not helpful. Taylor Hunt is the worst player on our list by a country mile and should probably never play another AFL game. Rance was surprisingly disappointing. Might also be time to drop Ben Griffiths, didn't do a lot.
Short was pretty good on debut, I'd like to see him get another game. Between him and Lloyd, we could have two amazing small forwards and allow Shedda to play a bit more midfield.
Another thing to note was a lack of discipline in several different ways. Stupid free kicks given away. Really odd decision making with players rushing to do stuff when they had time.
The whole thing was really a massive clusterflower and I'm seething so bad right now that I've probably forgotten half the stuff I wanted to say.
Lids, Maric, Lennon, Edwards. I reckon Lennon won't get picked though and with Grimes injured, expect Batch or Chaplin to walk in to the team. Hunt, Hampson, Ellis/Griffiths and Grimes to make way.
same old, same old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoKvn-s4DSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ePydA8700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ST6TJ6K6U
Horrible decision making in the last 5 minutes. I really thought we were better than this.
Vickery - Could have gone back and taken the set shot. Worst case scenario would have been a kick in to the Pies and they still would have had to go all the way down the other end with time against them. No need to pass to Lloyd. I actually rate Vickery as a very good player but moments like this are why people question him.
Vlaustin - Not sure what he was thinking. Handball to no one and needed to get the ball alot further away than that.
Grigg- No need to handball to Houli. Again go back and take the set shot & take time off the clock.
Rance - Why hold onto Fasolo & gift him an easy set shot to bring them back within 5. Uncharacteristically poor from him.
Our depth will be tested now with Injuries to Grimes, Short & Grigg while I think Vlaustin will be suspended. Townsend was reported but his eyes were on the ball I think he should get off.
We just all keep complaining about shizen efforts like last night , the Pies were equally as bad but to lose after being 3 goals up in that fashion is inexcusable but the club continues to draft B grade players with poor skills Hunt for one and although Townsend is hard at it his kicking skills at crucial moments in the first 2 games have been atrocious thus why GWS got rid of him and they had a lot of mates last night .
In the teams that will be at the pointy end players with poor skills and bad decision making won't be in the side simple as that they cost you games and I will say again the Pies were terrible last night but we still lost , we are in the seventh year of a plan that seems to be going nowhere and I don't think we can change now it is to late , I am sure people will say I am wrong it is only 2 games and we will turn it around but honestly I sick of hearing that and now we have some tough games coming up , even the Bombers would be a chance against the effort of both teams last night >:(
inb4 tigers come 9th
Quote from: BigMac_93 on April 02, 2016, 12:36:13 PM
Horrible decision making in the last 5 minutes. I really thought we were better than this.
Vickery - Could have gone back and taken the set shot. Worst case scenario would have been a kick in to the Pies and they still would have had to go all the way down the other end with time against them. No need to pass to Lloyd. I actually rate Vickery as a very good player but moments like this are why people question him.
Vlaustin - Not sure what he was thinking. Handball to no one and needed to get the ball alot further away than that.
Grigg- No need to handball to Houli. Again go back and take the set shot & take time off the clock.
Rance - Why hold onto Fasolo & gift him an easy set shot to bring them back within 5. Uncharacteristically poor from him.
Our depth will be tested now with Injuries to Grimes, Short & Grigg while I think Vlaustin will be suspended. Townsend was reported but his eyes were on the ball I think he should get off.
Yep, good calls all round there.
Pretty sure Flossy got Adams (iirc) in the shoulder and Adams seemed to be fine after it. I like the intent that both him, Townsend and McIntosh (especially some of the marks Towny and Kamdyn took) showed all night, they went hard at the footy every time, one of highlights for me.
Quote from: nrich102 on April 02, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
inb4 tigers come 9th
Haha clap clap great call :D
::)
Thoughts on McIntosh's game lads? Played across halfback from what I saw and scored great. Permanent role for him? I think I'll scoop him from my Elite pool!
Quote from: elephants on April 03, 2016, 11:06:10 PM
Thoughts on McIntosh's game lads? Played across halfback from what I saw and scored great. Permanent role for him? I think I'll scoop him from my Elite pool!
Until Yarrans back at least!
Quote from: quinny88 on April 04, 2016, 12:30:03 AM
Quote from: elephants on April 03, 2016, 11:06:10 PM
Thoughts on McIntosh's game lads? Played across halfback from what I saw and scored great. Permanent role for him? I think I'll scoop him from my Elite pool!
Until Yarrans back at least!
Yep, considering how well he played I reckon he might continue it, would be nice as I think it's perfect for him.
Selections were interesting...
In: Chaplin, Rioli, Shedda, Beatle
Out: Grimes, Hunt, Townsend, Griffiths
Townsend is a surprise to me, I thought he was good in his first two games for the club.
The rest was all kinda expected to some extent. No Maric and obviously Lids again, annoying to say the least but I guess it's better to have them both back fully fit.
Expect Tyrone to pinch hit a fair bit as the back up ruck to Hammer who won't spend the whole game in the ruck, especially if his leg is still sore (was bandaged heavily last week). Also I'd expect Chappy to start down back in the absence of Grimes but may potentially be swung forward as the third tall.
Townsend is good at going hard at it but he can't kick well he can straight to the other team same with hunt no surprise there for me I like the changes the coach has made a statement
Townsend was supposed to be the bloke to free up and protect Cotchin right? :p or was that Hunt and Miles?
I really like Cotchin and I think he's unfairly smashed in the media but this things still bugs me
Interesting changes. I expected Chaplin to come back in to form a three-tall backline of Astbury/Rance/Chaplin to tackle the Crows big three Jenkins/Tex/Lynch. The other changes are interesting and I must say I'm concerned to think what Betts might do to the Tiges tomorrow. Who goes to him? Vlastuin?
I feel like the defence is a bit understrengthed, as apart from the back 6 the rest of the team really looks like forwards or midfielders to me. Gotta trust the coaches' calls though. Glad to see Lennon get another shot, well overdue :)
Quote from: elephants on April 07, 2016, 09:18:53 PM
Townsend was supposed to be the bloke to free up and protect Cotchin right? :p or was that Hunt and Miles?
I really like Cotchin and I think he's unfairly smashed in the media but this things still bugs me
That's what he was recruited for! Miles was never recruited to be that type of player, and he never will become that type of player, he's too small. Great inside player but he's not that big-bodied player the Tiges have been screaming out for since Tuck/Dan Jackson. Taylor Hunt is a backman or a tagger, so again, different type of player ;)
is this the third year in a row that maric and deledio haven't been ready/injured, to start the season...
have to start to wonder what's going on down there, don't you?
Not much more than them getting older? These things happen.
Quote from: Toga on April 08, 2016, 02:17:10 PM
Not much more than them getting older? These things happen.
Exactly, just age catching up with them.
Quote from: Nige on April 08, 2016, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: Toga on April 08, 2016, 02:17:10 PM
Not much more than them getting older? These things happen.
Exactly, just age catching up with them.
Provided you make finals, you'd rather them fit and firing come rounds 15 onward. Would love them to get in there ASAP though, they're kicking the shower out of my draft league team!
Quote from: elephants on April 08, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: Nige on April 08, 2016, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: Toga on April 08, 2016, 02:17:10 PM
Not much more than them getting older? These things happen.
Exactly, just age catching up with them.
Provided you make finals, you'd rather them fit and firing come rounds 15 onward. Would love them to get in there ASAP though, they're kicking the shower out of my draft league team!
Spot on. I rather them miss the first couple to get themselves right and fully fit for the business end.
" we may have to go backwards to move forward " sorry Dimma not after 7 years you have to come up with something better than that >:(
* premiership coach
What Dimma said has been taken way out of context. People making out like he's writing off the season when that's not at all the case. He's trialled a few things to fill deficiencies and some have come off and some are going to take a small step back before they get better. For example, Rioli isn't a best 22 player at this early stage in his career but we are desperate for a quick small forward so he gets played to address that area for the future.
I still think once we have close to our best players on the park we will win more games than we lose.
Deledio and Maric are 2 of our most important players while Yarran was recruited to fill a specific role that he hasn't been able to get out there and do yet.
Wouldn't mind seeing Andrew Moore come in. Might add a bit more physicality about the stoppages (15 tackles in the two's on the weekend).
Also Lennon looked good down back I thought. Took some good intercept marks floating back into the hole and used the ball nicely.
Bit of a left field one here. Alex Rance played on Betts on the weekend according to FF leaving Astbury with Walker and Chaplin with Jenkins.
Not entirely sure but I wonder if Rance's increase in scoring was due to not playing on a tall? Coincidental or is this a legit tactic to try free up Rance. Thanks guys!
I think it was more that he's our best defender and we didn't have a better match up for Eddie.
I found it odd considering we saw what happened to Rance when he briefly played on Fasoli in Round 2.
He'll pretty much always take the best forward though.
Kamdyn McIntosh was good down back the past two weeks in the absence of Grimes but once Grimes and Yaz come back, he'll have to play for his spot I think.
Quote from: Nige on April 13, 2016, 08:30:47 AM
I think it was more that he's our best defender and we didn't have a better match up for Eddie.
Yeah fair call, shame Kennedy is gonna kick a bag on him this Friday ;)
Quote from: elephants on April 13, 2016, 01:46:48 PM
Yeah fair call, shame Kennedy is gonna kick a bag on him this Friday ;)
Hahaha settle down. :P
Who gets dropped this week lads? Please don't say Menadue.
Quote from: _wato on April 13, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Who gets dropped this week lads? Please don't say Menadue.
Him and cEllis are definitely at risk.
Quote from: Nige on April 13, 2016, 02:43:06 PM
Quote from: _wato on April 13, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Who gets dropped this week lads? Please don't say Menadue.
Him and cEllis are definitely at risk.
For who though?
Ellis has been a bit of a disappointment in AF this year and for that I blame you Nigeollarocknrolla
Quote from: _wato on April 13, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
Quote from: Nige on April 13, 2016, 02:43:06 PM
Quote from: _wato on April 13, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Who gets dropped this week lads? Please don't say Menadue.
Him and cEllis are definitely at risk.
For who though?
Townsend's probably likely and we could opt for some experience like Marcon or Moore.
Don't think Lids or Maric come back this week.
Also, Castagna was basically our best player in the VFL last week so I reckon he's a sneaky chance for a debut.
Quote from: Nige on April 13, 2016, 03:00:13 PM
Quote from: _wato on April 13, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
Quote from: Nige on April 13, 2016, 02:43:06 PM
Quote from: _wato on April 13, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Who gets dropped this week lads? Please don't say Menadue.
Him and cEllis are definitely at risk.
For who though?
Townsend's probably likely and we could opt for some experience like Marcon or Moore.
Don't think Lids or Maric come back this week.
Also, Castagna was basically our best player in the VFL last week so I reckon he's a sneaky chance for a debut.
GEORGY MY BOY
Only reason you'd play Maric is if you're super concerned about Hampson vs NicNat & Lycett.
Even then, a 5 day break would be pretty rough on a bloke coming off a long stint on the sidelines with a back injury.
Quote from: elephants on April 13, 2016, 03:04:34 PM
Even then, a 5 day break would be pretty rough on a bloke coming off a long stint on the sidelines with a back injury.
Won't play for this reason.
Quote from: Nige on April 13, 2016, 03:19:50 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 13, 2016, 03:04:34 PM
Even then, a 5 day break would be pretty rough on a bloke coming off a long stint on the sidelines with a back injury.
Won't play for this reason.
Not to mention the flight over here on those showerty plane seats haha. Barely enough room for me let alone Ivan who has 10-15cms on me
I got a feeling we will throw in a few new names this week. Nothing to lose against west coast over there.
I expect a bit of a reset and getting some names back the week after against the Dee's.
Making a bad habit of these slow starts to the season
any reason Miles has been below par so far?
Not sure to be honest. Seems to be one of many (or the team in general really) who have just started slowly.
Doesn't really have big games like others are capable of though, more or less just plays his role.
I think he can do better than he has so far though, so hopefully he (and everyone else) lifts his game.
Well...
Miles' average start to the season has cost him. Andrew Moore will make his debut for the club. The other change is Jayden Short omitted for Taylor Hunt of all flowering people.
Not a Hunt fan I presume Nige :P
Yes a risk bringing Hunt in his skills are poor as with a lot this year so far if we dish up some more poor skills this week it could get very ugly
Happy to see Moore get a game. Huge tackling numbers last week, hopefully he brings a bit more grunt around the stoppages. I'm a big fan of Miles but his start to the year has been underwhelming and maybe a kick up the ass in the two's might help turn his form around.
embarrassing
Yep.
Pretty well-written article here. I quite like it.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/apr/18/richmonds-faithful-dont-just-want-a-win-they-want-a-normal-football-team
Big game this week for both teams 8)
Jeez the chat has dried up this year we have started bad most years but this year the Tiges have been really shower maybe people are starting to realize Dimma is not the messiah , anyway it is do or die this week they must come out and show that the last seven years have not been a waste of time , show that they have skills above VFL level and give the Dee's a hiding , Miles must come back in and hopefully Lids and Maric are back as well GO TIGES GRRRRR.
Hampson and Astbury looking likely to miss through injury, likely to be replaced by Maric and Batchelor I'd assume? Wouldn't mind seeing Deledio and Miles in for Moore and Hunt as well.
FB: Batchelor, Rance, Vlastuin
HB: Houli, Chaplin, Lennon
C: B.Ellis, Miles, Grigg
HF: Lambert, Vickery, Deledio
FF: Edwards, Riewoldt, Lloyd
Ruc: Maric, Cotchin, Martin
IC: McIntosh, Ellis, Menadue, Rioli
Is Lids ready?
Reportedly completed full training yesterday with no signs of discomfort BM. Would be a very handy addition for the Tiges if he gets up.
Quote from: Big Mac on April 21, 2016, 12:45:39 PM
Is Lids ready?
Track watchers were posting a bit on twitter about him
Was kicking goals post height from 45m out, so most are saying he should play
Hardwick said in terms of fitness (running not body), he's the fittest he's ever been... which I doubt is true, but basically "he hasn't been able to train with the main group so he's done bulk running. He's pretty fit"
I wouldn't be surprised if he has built up a really good fitness base over the preseason Rico. The quad injury that's been bothering him has been affecting his kicking, so he will have pretty much been doing purely running sessions for the last 6-8 weeks.
Quote from: Toga on April 21, 2016, 01:10:59 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he has built up a really good fitness base over the preseason Rico. The quad injury that's been bothering him has been affecting his kicking, so he will have pretty much been doing purely running sessions for the last 6-8 weeks.
Good, he owes me 200 this week after having to play Tom fkn Hawkins for him in draft :p
Quote from: Toga on April 21, 2016, 01:10:59 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he has built up a really good fitness base over the preseason Rico. The quad injury that's been bothering him has been affecting his kicking, so he will have pretty much been doing purely running sessions for the last 6-8 weeks.
Yeh i meant I doubt the fact its "the fittest he's every been" :P He's pushing 30. Come on Dimma
Oh haha right. Well you never know! Focussing on his running more than ever in the past he could well be.
I just really hope he plays :P
Yes having Lids on the field would be great just a composed head and some skills is all that he has to do :)
The ins! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
imo Deledio basically = Richmond so this is a little concerning :/
Looking forward to Gawn vs Maric + Hammer though
Quote from: Big Mac on April 21, 2016, 08:36:39 PM
imo Deledio basically = Richmond so this is a little concerning :/
Looking forward to Gawn vs Maric + Hammer though
Happy Hammer wasn't dropped tbh.
Disappointing Vlastuin goes out, means that Batchelor surely has to come in IMO.
If Lids and Maric actually play this is finally starting to resemble a full strength side and definitely the strongest team we've put on the park this year.
I just hope it doesn't take a couple of weeks for them to gel again because we cant afford it to.
If we get a win against the Dees, we have Port at the G next week, all of a sudden we could be sitting 3-3. If were sloppy again this week and get beaten though then were staring down the barrel of a long year with Hawthorn and Sydney to follow Port.
Massive game this Sunday
Cotchin, Rance, Lloyd Riewoldt the only ones to show any heart tonight. Pathetic.
Were now 1-4 and will probably be 2-6 at best. Could beat Port but will probably get hammered against Sydney & Hawks.
For me, every aspect of the club needs to be thoroughly looked at, this is pathetic. Hardwick is in his 7th year and we are going nowhere. What he said a few weeks ago about having to go back to go forward is laughable & a poor reflection on the state of the club.
The main issue of the top of my head is recruiting. Not sure that Blair Hartley & Francis Jackson should still be in the job. You can't keep recruiting rejects from other clubs and expect to challenge for the top 4. They are delisted for a reason. And the players we have reportedly gone after & missed out on (Treloar, Shiel, Hannebery, Bennell etc.) is really starting to become frustrating. It's just not acceptable. The VFL team also has lots of issues which indicates our depth is poor and has not been adressed.
Agree Big Mac. The high-ups need to have a good look at who does what around the club. The bottom 12 players are not up to speed at the moment judging by their efforts over the first month of footy.
Success is one thing that seems to be a common theme in big-name players moving clubs. That's been a problem while trying to recruit guys like Treloar, and doesn't look like changing any time soon.
Quote from: Toga on April 24, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
Cotchin, Rance, Lloyd Riewoldt the only ones to show any heart tonight. Pathetic.
I'd add Astbury and Shedda to that tbh.
For more thoughts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RichmondFC/comments/4g7vre/round_5_post_game_vs_melbourne_129_96_loss/
Quote from: Nige on April 24, 2016, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: Toga on April 24, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
Cotchin, Rance, Lloyd Riewoldt the only ones to show any heart tonight. Pathetic.
I'd add Astbury and Shedda to that tbh.
For more thoughts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RichmondFC/comments/4g7vre/round_5_post_game_vs_melbourne_129_96_loss/
Started with a decent analysis of the football then got really flowering depressing...
Quote from: roo boys! on April 25, 2016, 12:01:46 AM
Quote from: Nige on April 24, 2016, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: Toga on April 24, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
Cotchin, Rance, Lloyd Riewoldt the only ones to show any heart tonight. Pathetic.
I'd add Astbury and Shedda to that tbh.
For more thoughts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RichmondFC/comments/4g7vre/round_5_post_game_vs_melbourne_129_96_loss/
Started with a decent analysis of the football then got really flowering depressing...
That's because the situation really is ahaha.
I contributed a fair bit to it, but in the heat of the moment, I had to vent.
Meh, could be worse. You could support Freo.
Quote from: elephants on April 25, 2016, 01:00:03 AM
Meh, could be worse. You could support Freo.
And now they don't have to see their team lose another elimination final!
Think at some point you have to stop blaming players and look at the development , recruiting and coaching this has been going on to long now and it is not going to change till major changes are done so Richmond as a club has to either realize everything they have been doing for 7 years has to change or continue with this stupid moneyball approach of trying make hack players from other clubs into stars because honestly we cant even develop the young players we get in draft let alone older players with shocking skills ..... thoughts?
Quote from: shaker on April 25, 2016, 10:42:47 AM
Think at some point you have to stop blaming players and look at the development , recruiting and coaching this has been going on to long now and it is not going to change till major changes are done so Richmond as a club has to either realize everything they have been doing for 7 years has to change or continue with this stupid moneyball approach of trying make hack players from other clubs into stars because honestly we cant even develop the young players we get in draft let alone older players with shocking skills ..... thoughts?
Yeah, I've seen a bit of this talk develop lately. It really is true in a way. The problem is the bottom portion of the list aren't up to scratch. Cotch, Jack, (even Lids when he comes back) etc can do their job but when you're playing dead weight like Steven Morris, you're not gonna win games.
Quote from: Nige on April 25, 2016, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: shaker on April 25, 2016, 10:42:47 AM
Think at some point you have to stop blaming players and look at the development , recruiting and coaching this has been going on to long now and it is not going to change till major changes are done so Richmond as a club has to either realize everything they have been doing for 7 years has to change or continue with this stupid moneyball approach of trying make hack players from other clubs into stars because honestly we cant even develop the young players we get in draft let alone older players with shocking skills ..... thoughts?
Yeah, I've seen a bit of this talk develop lately. It really is true in a way. The problem is the bottom portion of the list aren't up to scratch. Cotch, Jack, (even Lids when he comes back) etc can do their job but when you're playing dead weight like Steven Morris, you're not gonna win games.
For instance we chose to get Yarran a proven lazy player that if he does not agree with what the coaching staff wants he cracks the sads and just does not try , 3 coaches have tried with him and have failed and that will continue at the Tiges it is just how he is meanwhile the Dogs were grabbing a player like Marcus Adams a much wiser decision , I don't think our team can be saved in the terms of winning a flag we have only a few A graders and a list full of rejects and younger blokes that are not good enough or just are not being developed right , Dimma has some big ?'s over his head about the team of coaching staff he has assembled because it is failing badly
I want to see Vlastuin come back into the side and play in the middle. Was recruited as a midfielder and has shown ability to put his head over the ball down back so get him in there. We need another contested ball winner.
Lennon needs to come into the team and play as a link-up forward so that Jack can play closer to goals.
As much as last night pissed me off with such pissweak effort, I feel like it's not all doom and gloom when you have a look at what the 22 could look like with everyone fit (and hopefully not being played out of position). Looks so much better.
FB: Grimes, Rance, Conca
HB: Houli, Astbury, Yarran
C: B.Ellis, Vlastuin, McIntosh
HF: Deledio, Riewoldt, Lennon
FF: Lloyd, Vickery, Edwards
Fol: Maric, Martin, Cotchin
I/C: Rioli, Miles, Griffiths, C.Ellis
Quote from: Toga on April 25, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
As much as last night pissed me off with such pissweak effort, I feel like it's not all doom and gloom when you have a look at what the 22 could look like with everyone fit (and hopefully not being played out of position). Looks so much better.
FB: Grimes, Rance, Conca
HB: Houli, Astbury, Yarran
C: B.Ellis, Vlastuin, McIntosh
HF: Deledio, Riewoldt, Lennon
FF: Lloyd, Vickery, Edwards
Fol: Maric, Martin, Cotchin
I/C: Rioli, Miles, Griffiths, C.Ellis
Based on what we've seen from those who have played this year, that's not really a bad team if fully fit.
Griffiths and cEllis have the two most contentious spots for me (in that 22).
Agreed Nige. Corey Ellis needs a few weeks in the VFL to find some confidence and form, he and Menadue have just looked out of place the last few weeks.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the ruck department for the rest of the year. Maric gives his all week in week out but was monstered both in the ruck and around the ground yesterday. Could Griffiths be trialled as more of a mobile big man?
Get Oleg, Georgy, and The Bean in there!
Quote from: Toga on April 25, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
As much as last night pissed me off with such pissweak effort, I feel like it's not all doom and gloom when you have a look at what the 22 could look like with everyone fit (and hopefully not being played out of position). Looks so much better.
FB: Grimes, Rance, Conca
HB: Houli, Astbury, Yarran
C: B.Ellis, Vlastuin, McIntosh
HF: Deledio, Riewoldt, Lennon
FF: Lloyd, Vickery, Edwards
Fol: Maric, Martin, Cotchin
I/C: Rioli, Miles, Griffiths, C.Ellis
Every team would like to get there best team on the paddock every week but it just really never happens at best we could hope for is include Lids and couple of others with the best of who ran out last night , the team I have watched this year would need much more to be anywhere near a contender and that is what I'm talking about not just almost being good enough
Quote from: Toga on April 25, 2016, 03:24:57 PM
Agreed Nige. Corey Ellis needs a few weeks in the VFL to find some confidence and form, he and Menadue have just looked out of place the last few weeks.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the ruck department for the rest of the year. Maric gives his all week in week out but was monstered both in the ruck and around the ground yesterday. Could Griffiths be trialled as more of a mobile big man?
I doubt it.
If anything, they'll probably play Ivan and Hammer together, it hasn't really happened yet to gauge just how effective it works. I think it was a tough first game back for Ivan though, Gawn's a beast and is hard for any ruck to beat given his size and how good he is around the ground, it's like having an extra mid (Stef Martin, Goldy, Brodie Grundy, Big Boy McEvoy are like that to various degrees off the top of my head). Ivan's better in front of goal and around the ground, but Hammer has the superior tap work and contested marking imo. I think the biggest problem Ivan is facing now is age and injuries. He just looked way too slow and we're gonna need more than him lumbering around. Needs to smash Lobbe next week.
Griff's a natural forward who can pinch hit, he's not a ruck, neither is Tyrone. They'd have to work hard on developing their ruck skills to be a proper forward/ruck type. I actually think Mabior Chol's gonna be good in this regard, because if he adds some size, he's super athletic and seems to be able to do some good work around the ground, but he seems a good year or two away from being even close to a regular.
Vlastuin on ball, now that I want to see!
Griff is only 2cm shorter than Ivan though and is much more athletic - which seems to be the increasing trend among rucks at the moment. Doesn't have the sheer size of a Gawn/Goldstein type but has a beautiful kick and a reasonable running capacity.
It would be an interesting experiment tbh.
matthew knights
Ivan was given a bath by Gawn. I know Gawn is one of the best in the comp and Maric is coming off a long term injury lay off but you have to wonder how much more Maric has in him.
The point about the move to more athletic ruckmen is valid imo.
Rancey might be a champion player, at least he will be. But he did something silly, I mean really, really stupid!
If your going to whack a bloke, YOU DONT DO IT IN FRONT OF JACK VINEY .......... What on earth were you thinking Rance? :o
yeah, dumb move by rance.
Good on viney though.
Well thats a wrap on the season.. I was thinking guys like Rioli, C.Ellis and Menadue were due to be pushed out and lucky to be getting games on form but may as well keep them in now, try a few things and give some more kids a chance.
I know we've played a lot of kids this year but id like to see Chol and McBean come in and get a crack.
Jayden Short was impressive when given the chance, then gets pushed straight out. Castagna looked good in his first game. Piss off blokes like Batch and Morris that will never be part of a successful team.
No point in us trying to salvage the season. Even if we pull off another miracle like 2014 and make the 8 we miss the chance for the mini rebuild we need. Better off playing kids, getting a top 5 pick and looking to 2017. Use the remainder of the season to see which kids can play and which guys are done.
Enough is enough the turd can't be polished any more Hardwick needs to go and the sooner the better and whoever was responsible for extending his contract should be gone to , we need more than a mini rebuild our list apart from the core players is rubbish littered with the failed moneyball players that he recruited and many draft picks over many years that are just no good , I agree play the kids and see who is worth keeping but to think we can be good enough in 2017 is laughable this guy has set us back many years , it is time for a complete overhaul I just hope the club does not flower around with him it is already costing us big time only 27000 at the game last night , the writing is on the wall hope the club is smart enough to read it
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Quote from: shaker on May 01, 2016, 09:49:35 AM
Enough is enough the turd can't be polished any more Hardwick needs to go and the sooner the better and whoever was responsible for extending his contract should be gone to , we need more than a mini rebuild our list apart from the core players is rubbish littered with the failed moneyball players that he recruited and many draft picks over many years that are just no good , I agree play the kids and see who is worth keeping but to think we can be good enough in 2017 is laughable this guy has set us back many years , it is time for a complete overhaul I just hope the club does not flower around with him it is already costing us big time only 27000 at the game last night , the writing is on the wall hope the club is smart enough to read it
Yeah lets sack another coach and every player and sit on the bottom for 5 years ::)
Its not needed at all. We've been half a game out of the 4 2 of the last 3 years. List needs a little clean up and some good drafting and trading over the next year or 2 but a complete rebuild isnt needed.
Chaplin and Maric will retire. Batchelor, Hunt and Morris are done.
The rest of the list has about 4 players playing well, some terribly out of form and some are very underdone or injured.
We haven't been able to put our best 22 on the park which most teams dont get to but we simply dont have the depth to cover important players.
If from round one we played with a fit best 22 of say:
Vlastuin, Astbury, Grimes
Houli, Rance, Yarran
B.Ellis, Cotchin, Grigg
Edwards, Vickery, Deledio
Lloyd, Riewoldt, Conca
Maric, Martin, Miles
Lambert, Lennon, Mcintosh, Griffiths
That is a team with no huge holes or issues. A dominant CHF would be the biggest thing.
Still dont have that dangerous small forward we need too but Rioli was drafted to become that.
The problem with that team above is that when Maric, Deledio, Vlastuin, Grimes, Rance, Edwards, Conca, Grigg, Yarran and now Cotchin have all missed games we dont have the second tier players to step up or quality in the vfl to step in.
We have not sacked a coach for a long time 7 years , the problem is everyone keeps posting our best team well out of that lot Q Grimes and Conca only have to think about running to do a hammy Vlastuin and Mcintosh have shown very little since there first year Astbury Vickery Griffiths Lennon have shown little there whole careers Miles is not the gun mid everyone thought Maric is cooked and then we have all the dead wood that we have gathered from other clubs , our list is shower there is no way we will even get close to flag without a very big rebuild , sack the recruiters , sack the development coaches I don't care keep Dimma but 7 years with no success is a long time all I know there has to be big changes in the club and even then it will take years to fix this mess up
The latest criticism has focussed on Richmond's drafting, pointing out that the club is going with "safe" selections in the first round and not going for players with high levels of development left in them. I think in recent years you can make a case for Richmond making good selections in Martin, Ellis, Vlastuin however I do see the point when they talk about going with Conca over Heppell, Caddy, Prestia, Lynch and Lennon over Cripps.
I do think Lennon still has the potential to become a great third tall forward for the club though, I'm very surprised as to why he's not receiving much opportunity at the moment.
Where there is a huge deficiency in Richmond's recruiting is the effectiveness of the club's later draft picks. I'm not sure how many players picked after the first round in the last five or so years have gone on to become regulars in the senior team - but it can't be many. McIntosh is the only one that's really springing to mind. Whereas you look at a team like Sydney who unearth guys like Hannebery, Parker in the 30-40s, that's why they are a level above.
The team will not be able to compete with the best teams without some success with mid-to-late draft picks.
On Maric, Hampson got more hitouts than him on the weekend. Clearly playing both isn't gonna work.
Is Maric no longer the #1 ruck??
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2016, 10:16:27 AM
We have not sacked a coach for a long time 7 years , the problem is everyone keeps posting our best team well out of that lot Q Grimes and Conca only have to think about running to do a hammy Vlastuin and Mcintosh have shown very little since there first year Astbury Vickery Griffiths Lennon have shown little there whole careers Miles is not the gun mid everyone thought Maric is cooked and then we have all the dead wood that we have gathered from other clubs , our list is shower there is no way we will even get close to flag without a very big rebuild , sack the recruiters , sack the development coaches I don't care keep Dimma but 7 years with no success is a long time all I know there has to be big changes in the club and even then it will take years to fix this mess up
Astbury has only played 30 games in 6 years due to injury. Grimes and Conca terribly unlucky as well.
Lennon 18 games, McIntosh 27 games are way to early to make a call on.
Miles and Vlastuin have been guns for us the past 2-3 years and have had a couple of bad games to start the year and you're writing them off?
Vickery and Griffiths the 2 big let downs, you would think one of them would have demanded the CHF position by now.
McBean, Mckenzie and Chol are pretty exciting kids for those positions in the future though.
You're making calls based on our terrible form rather than looking at the bigger picture.
Don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I thought McIntosh has played fairly well this year, the best and most consistent outside of your top 5
Quote from: elephants on May 03, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
On Maric, Hampson got more hitouts than him on the weekend. Clearly playing both isn't gonna work.
Is Maric no longer the #1 ruck??
Hard to tell from just the couple of games so far ele, but he certainly hasn't been all to competitive so far this season which is a bit worrying. Not sure if that comes down to lack of fitness and form, or whether it means that Hampson is starting to take over as the #1 ruck.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 03, 2016, 11:44:42 AM
I thought McIntosh has played fairly well this year, the best and most consistent outside of your top 5
McIntosh has been alright this year, has outperformed a lot of others that's for sure. And I think he's probably playing out of position at the moment as well, seems to be more of a winger than a back flank.
Maric and Hampson wouldn't ideally play in the same team. Marics body is shot though and returning underdone from injury.
I'd personally just play hammer
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 11:42:09 AM
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2016, 10:16:27 AM
We have not sacked a coach for a long time 7 years , the problem is everyone keeps posting our best team well out of that lot Q Grimes and Conca only have to think about running to do a hammy Vlastuin and Mcintosh have shown very little since there first year Astbury Vickery Griffiths Lennon have shown little there whole careers Miles is not the gun mid everyone thought Maric is cooked and then we have all the dead wood that we have gathered from other clubs , our list is shower there is no way we will even get close to flag without a very big rebuild , sack the recruiters , sack the development coaches I don't care keep Dimma but 7 years with no success is a long time all I know there has to be big changes in the club and even then it will take years to fix this mess up
Astbury has only played 30 games in 6 years due to injury. Grimes and Conca terribly unlucky as well.
Lennon 18 games, McIntosh 27 games are way to early to make a call on.
Miles and Vlastuin have been guns for us the past 2-3 years and have had a couple of bad games to start the year and you're writing them off?
Vickery and Griffiths the 2 big let downs, you would think one of them would have demanded the CHF position by now.
McBean, Mckenzie and Chol are pretty exciting kids for those positions in the future though.
You're making calls based on our terrible form rather than looking at the bigger picture.
Don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Well Q the rest of the football world are saying our list is shower Leigh Matthews a guy with more coaching and football skills in his scrotum than most says it just will not happen without a major cleanout I'm not saying get rid of players like Vlastuin Miles and Mcintosh but they are a long way from guns Fyfe is gun they are not .
We can not possibly get rid of all the dead wood we have gathered over the last few years this year it will take 2 or 3 to get that job done but the only way we are going to get the young talent to the club is go to the bottom of the ladder for some time , we can't attract guns to the club like Treloar and he has come out and said why our list , so unless we wan't to be known as a team that is almost good enough for another decade , a lot of the players you list in our best team are just no good and have been plodders for a long time have to go , how do we get the best young talent to the club if we continue to finish middle of the ladder ?
People in the media are paid to make big calls. Same people that will be saying we're back on track if we happen to beat hawthorn this week. If we had of beat Collingwood like we should have in the last second and beat port on the weekend we would be sitting 3-3 and no one would bat an eye lid even though the list and form would be the same. People make calls off wins and loses.
Who would you realistically have out the door of our fit best 22 if it were up to you?
And not just based on some poor recent form but players you don't think are up to the level or have potential to get better.
For me one of Vickery or Griff have to go and we need a good CHF
A good ruckman is on the cards for Maric to retire
Another gun mid wouldn't hurt either.
Dont think we need to bottom out and rebuild to gain that
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
People in the media are paid to make big calls. Same people that will be saying we're back on track if we happen to beat hawthorn this week. If we had of beat Collingwood like we should have in the last second and beat port on the weekend we would be sitting 3-3 and no one would bat an eye lid even though the list and form would be the same. People make calls off wins and loses.
Who would you realistically have out the door of our fit best 22 if it were up to you?
And not just based on some poor recent form but players you don't think are up to the level or have potential to get better.
For me one of Vickery or Griff have to go and we need a good CHF
A good ruckman is on the cards for Maric to retire
Another gun mid wouldn't hurt either.
Dont think we need to bottom out and rebuild to gain that
Don't worry there are plenty to get rid of without touching your best 22 this year maybe Griffiths , to start with this year there is Chaplin Morris Hunt Moore Batch and Townsend unless someone can teach him how to dispose of the footy and probably more but we need early draft picks very early how do we get them ? I'll tell you we play kids and lose lots more games . I am not concerned about being at the bottom we are there now any way but we need to get pick 1 or 2 and one more in the top ten and 4 more under pick 30 plus before we need either new recruiters or development staff or both that know what they are doing , really how can a guy like Lennon not be getting a game with the rubbish we have been fielding ?
I think the real question here is, how is the Bean going?
Quote from: Big Mac on May 03, 2016, 06:17:41 PM
I think the real question here is, how is the Bean going?
Lol'd at the condition Yarran turned up at the club. The Tigers had all this salary cap cash to land a big fish and landed Yaz, lol.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-02/richmond-paying-the-price-for-recruiting-strategy-says-football-manager
This bit from Dan Richardson kinda annoyed me a little.
On one hand, he kinda stated the obvious, but it also had a sense of 'settling for mediocrity'.
Particularly this bit...
Quote"While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
I mean "somewhat"... really Dan? This is like that "honourable losses" bullshower that happened a couple of seasons ago.
The fact is, we probably do have to overhaul Dimma's support staff and maybe even the recruitment team. As Toga said, we need to aim to nail both the first rounders (which we've have done pretty well for the past decade) but get gems with later picks, or at least develop them into gems.
We absolutely don't need to bottom out and completely rebuild, but we just gotta sort our shower out.
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2016, 06:06:07 PM
Really how can a guy like Lennon not be getting a game with the rubbish we have been fielding ?
This is what I don't understand either... Has not been given a chance at all to prove himself.
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2016, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
People in the media are paid to make big calls. Same people that will be saying we're back on track if we happen to beat hawthorn this week. If we had of beat Collingwood like we should have in the last second and beat port on the weekend we would be sitting 3-3 and no one would bat an eye lid even though the list and form would be the same. People make calls off wins and loses.
Who would you realistically have out the door of our fit best 22 if it were up to you?
And not just based on some poor recent form but players you don't think are up to the level or have potential to get better.
For me one of Vickery or Griff have to go and we need a good CHF
A good ruckman is on the cards for Maric to retire
Another gun mid wouldn't hurt either.
Dont think we need to bottom out and rebuild to gain that
Don't worry there are plenty to get rid of without touching your best 22 this year maybe Griffiths , to start with this year there is Chaplin Morris Hunt Moore Batch and Townsend unless someone can teach him how to dispose of the footy and probably more but we need early draft picks very early how do we get them ? I'll tell you we play kids and lose lots more games . I am not concerned about being at the bottom we are there now any way but we need to get pick 1 or 2 and one more in the top ten and 4 more under pick 30 plus before we need either new recruiters or development staff or both that know what they are doing , really how can a guy like Lennon not be getting a game with the rubbish we have been fielding ?
That's exactly my point. The starters are injured or out of form but the base is there. Just need those guys pushing from underneath which we don't have. I really do hope we finish bottom 4 this year so we can have a small clean out and get some good draft picks. I think it can be a quick turn around. Probably time Francis Jackson moved on, he's been around forever.
Quote from: frenzy on May 03, 2016, 06:52:16 PM
Lol'd at the condition Yarran turned up at the club. The Tigers had all this salary cap cash to land a big fish and landed Yaz, lol.
It's not like we didn't try for others. Yarrans not being paid big money and his condition was more a reflection of Carlton than anything.
Seeings as they were trying to play hard ball and saying they wouldn't trade for anything less than our first pick, we did pretty well to hold firm and get him for pick 19. He will be a good player off half back.
if Hardwick doesn't try to tag S Mitchell he should be sacked
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2016, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
People in the media are paid to make big calls. Same people that will be saying we're back on track if we happen to beat hawthorn this week. If we had of beat Collingwood like we should have in the last second and beat port on the weekend we would be sitting 3-3 and no one would bat an eye lid even though the list and form would be the same. People make calls off wins and loses.
Who would you realistically have out the door of our fit best 22 if it were up to you?
And not just based on some poor recent form but players you don't think are up to the level or have potential to get better.
For me one of Vickery or Griff have to go and we need a good CHF
A good ruckman is on the cards for Maric to retire
Another gun mid wouldn't hurt either.
Dont think we need to bottom out and rebuild to gain that
Don't worry there are plenty to get rid of without touching your best 22 this year maybe Griffiths , to start with this year there is Chaplin Morris Hunt Moore Batch and Townsend unless someone can teach him how to dispose of the footy and probably more but we need early draft picks very early how do we get them ? I'll tell you we play kids and lose lots more games . I am not concerned about being at the bottom we are there now any way but we need to get pick 1 or 2 and one more in the top ten and 4 more under pick 30 plus before we need either new recruiters or development staff or both that know what they are doing , really how can a guy like Lennon not be getting a game with the rubbish we have been fielding ?
That's exactly my point. The starters are injured or out of form but the base is there. Just need those guys pushing from underneath which we don't have. I really do hope we finish bottom 4 this year so we can have a small clean out and get some good draft picks. I think it can be a quick turn around. Probably time Francis Jackson moved on, he's been around forever.
Don't get me wrong Q there are still many in your best 22 that I think need to go but because we have so many worse than them they have to survive for now
Griffiths and Vickery - they have not improved first mentioned can't even get a game
Grimes and Conca - both always injured Grimes a very ordinary player Conca if get injured again this season I think it is time to see what we can get for him
Astbury - also injury prone and is certainly no star lets see what he does for the rest of the year
Lloyd - started off good this year but has done this every time he cracks the team then disappears for the rest of the year
Maric - been a good servant but his days are up
Lennon - what is going on with him he can't even get a game , he needs to play every game from now on so the club can see what he has got we are in a perfect position to do this now
Vlastuin - it is time to do something with him put him in the mids ? because I don't see why everyone is raving about him AVG. about 15 possies a game so far in his career nothing to flash about that
Mcintosh - not to much to say about him he has been good this year but we him to continue to improve
Yarran - cant say yet till he plays but his record so far in his career is nothing to get excited about inconsistent with a poor attitude , watch this space
This season is shot really there is no point winning to many games or even trying to make the 8 the only way we can access the best young talent is to go to the bottom we might be able to fix it in one year but I doubt it more like 2 years down there to get enough quality young guys into the team , any way you look at it we are years away from being a contender
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on May 04, 2016, 02:57:50 AM
if Hardwick doesn't try to tag S Mitchell he should be sacked
Not many (if any) teams are really deploying tags these days tho. Will be interesting to see if Hardwick goes down that path and who he picks to do the job if he does.
More likely to be a Grigg run-with role than a tag. Do what Seb Ross did a few weeks ago and just try to limit the amount of kicks Mitchell can get.
But his handballs are just as creative and damaging!
Or just do what GWS did and smash the shower out of the Hawks lol
Quote from: elephants on May 04, 2016, 11:54:11 AM
Or just do what GWS did and smash the shower out of the Hawks lol
haha that's a good one
Quote from: Big Mac on May 04, 2016, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: elephants on May 04, 2016, 11:54:11 AM
Or just do what GWS did and smash the shower out of the Hawks lol
haha that's a good one
I honestly don't care as long as Jordan Lewis scores more than his standard 30 points haha
Back on topic, Cotchin out. Who steps up through the midfield? Any fringe players get a bigger role? I assume Lids wouldn't be thrown on ball haha
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: frenzy on May 03, 2016, 06:52:16 PM
Lol'd at the condition Yarran turned up at the club. The Tigers had all this salary cap cash to land a big fish and landed Yaz, lol.
It's not like we didn't try for others. Yarrans not being paid big money and his condition was more a reflection of Carlton than anything.
Seeings as they were trying to play hard ball and saying they wouldn't trade for anything less than our first pick, we did pretty well to hold firm and get him for pick 19. He will be a good player off half back.
Yes, his attitude at Carlton stunk, but that only adds to surprise of the tigers pursuit. I hope he delivers for you when he eventually get on the park.
not saying i has to be hard tag but if he lets him have 25 touches by half time and still doesn't try to stop it
Quote from: shaker on May 04, 2016, 10:16:53 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: shaker on May 03, 2016, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 03, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
People in the media are paid to make big calls. Same people that will be saying we're back on track if we happen to beat hawthorn this week. If we had of beat Collingwood like we should have in the last second and beat port on the weekend we would be sitting 3-3 and no one would bat an eye lid even though the list and form would be the same. People make calls off wins and loses.
Who would you realistically have out the door of our fit best 22 if it were up to you?
And not just based on some poor recent form but players you don't think are up to the level or have potential to get better.
For me one of Vickery or Griff have to go and we need a good CHF
A good ruckman is on the cards for Maric to retire
Another gun mid wouldn't hurt either.
Dont think we need to bottom out and rebuild to gain that
Don't worry there are plenty to get rid of without touching your best 22 this year maybe Griffiths , to start with this year there is Chaplin Morris Hunt Moore Batch and Townsend unless someone can teach him how to dispose of the footy and probably more but we need early draft picks very early how do we get them ? I'll tell you we play kids and lose lots more games . I am not concerned about being at the bottom we are there now any way but we need to get pick 1 or 2 and one more in the top ten and 4 more under pick 30 plus before we need either new recruiters or development staff or both that know what they are doing , really how can a guy like Lennon not be getting a game with the rubbish we have been fielding ?
That's exactly my point. The starters are injured or out of form but the base is there. Just need those guys pushing from underneath which we don't have. I really do hope we finish bottom 4 this year so we can have a small clean out and get some good draft picks. I think it can be a quick turn around. Probably time Francis Jackson moved on, he's been around forever.
Don't get me wrong Q there are still many in your best 22 that I think need to go but because we have so many worse than them they have to survive for now
Griffiths and Vickery - they have not improved first mentioned can't even get a game
Grimes and Conca - both always injured Grimes a very ordinary player Conca if get injured again this season I think it is time to see what we can get for him
Astbury - also injury prone and is certainly no star lets see what he does for the rest of the year
Lloyd - started off good this year but has done this every time he cracks the team then disappears for the rest of the year
Maric - been a good servant but his days are up
Lennon - what is going on with him he can't even get a game , he needs to play every game from now on so the club can see what he has got we are in a perfect position to do this now
Vlastuin - it is time to do something with him put him in the mids ? because I don't see why everyone is raving about him AVG. about 15 possies a game so far in his career nothing to flash about that
Mcintosh - not to much to say about him he has been good this year but we him to continue to improve
Yarran - cant say yet till he plays but his record so far in his career is nothing to get excited about inconsistent with a poor attitude , watch this space
This season is shot really there is no point winning to many games or even trying to make the 8 the only way we can access the best young talent is to go to the bottom we might be able to fix it in one year but I doubt it more like 2 years down there to get enough quality young guys into the team , any way you look at it we are years away from being a contender
I think thats a harsh assessment on a few. Some of those are just simply out of form but are good players.
Agree with you on Griff and Vickery. Atleast one has to go and the 2nd should only ever play 3rd fiddle behind Jack and another gun forward.
Grimes is injury prone as hell but is a very good backman and im confident Astbury will be too if/when he can string some games together.
Lloyd is out of form but is always good for 2-3 goals a game. Its a shame he doesnt have some pace.
Vlastuin doesn't play a high possession role, he's playing as a small shut down defender but will progress into the midfield in time. Could probably make that move now but have heard in the past that he doesnt have the tank yet.
Maric looking like an old man after an interrupted pre season and agree his time looks done.
Mcintosh has been good and Yarran cant really make a call on yet but at his best is one of the most damaging run and carry players in the comp. Hopefully we can actually get his best.
Some of these guys were looking a hell of a lot better last year and have run into some terrible confidence lacking form which happens to the best of players. Same can be said of some of our best players too though. Rance, Cotch and Jack have been very good but Dusty has been down on form, Edwards hasn't been his usual damaging self, Houli had a career best year last year and isnt backing it up so far, Miles has been out of form, Ellis has been terrible.
The group as a whole are just badly out of form or injured which is a blessing in a way because it exposes the holes in our side and where we need to fix to be a contender. I think it will be a quicker turn around than you think
Current injury list.
Reece Conca Hamstring 1 week
Trent Cotchin Cheekbone 2 weeks
Nathan Drummond Knee 1 week
Dylan Grimes Hamstring Test
Kane Lambert Rib/lung 3-4 weeks
Alex Rance Suspension Round eight
Nick Vlastuin Knee Test
Chris Yarran Foot 3-5 weeks
Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond :-\
Quote from: quinny88 on May 05, 2016, 03:48:40 AM
Current injury list.
Reece Conca Hamstring 1 week
Trent Cotchin Cheekbone 2 weeks
Nathan Drummond Knee 1 week
Dylan Grimes Hamstring Test
Kane Lambert Rib/lung 3-4 weeks
Alex Rance Suspension Round eight
Nick Vlastuin Knee Test
Chris Yarran Foot 3-5 weeks
Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond :-\
I think another thing is we have not improved and are playing badly where there is a lot of other teams that are showing big improvement , still think that we need at least half a dozen quality players to go with our core players and some good young talent to become contenders but I have been no fan of this top up plan we have been on for years and the cracks are starting to show
Quote from: shaker on May 05, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 05, 2016, 03:48:40 AM
Current injury list.
Reece Conca Hamstring 1 week
Trent Cotchin Cheekbone 2 weeks
Nathan Drummond Knee 1 week
Dylan Grimes Hamstring Test
Kane Lambert Rib/lung 3-4 weeks
Alex Rance Suspension Round eight
Nick Vlastuin Knee Test
Chris Yarran Foot 3-5 weeks
Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond :-\
I think another thing is we have not improved and are playing badly where there is a lot of other teams that are showing big improvement , still think that we need at least half a dozen quality players to go with our core players and some good young talent to become contenders but I have been no fan of this top up plan we have been on for years and the cracks are starting to show
A new ruckman and a CHF should be top of the shopping list. Problem with those types is that if you go after them through the draft then you need to be prepared to wait 5 years for them to be any good
Quote from: quinny88 on May 06, 2016, 12:16:03 AM
Quote from: shaker on May 05, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 05, 2016, 03:48:40 AM
Current injury list.
Reece Conca Hamstring 1 week
Trent Cotchin Cheekbone 2 weeks
Nathan Drummond Knee 1 week
Dylan Grimes Hamstring Test
Kane Lambert Rib/lung 3-4 weeks
Alex Rance Suspension Round eight
Nick Vlastuin Knee Test
Chris Yarran Foot 3-5 weeks
Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond :-\
I think another thing is we have not improved and are playing badly where there is a lot of other teams that are showing big improvement , still think that we need at least half a dozen quality players to go with our core players and some good young talent to become contenders but I have been no fan of this top up plan we have been on for years and the cracks are starting to show
A new ruckman and a CHF should be top of the shopping list. Problem with those types is that if you go after them through the draft then you need to be prepared to wait 5 years for them to be any good
We will have to try and steal a ruck from somewhere I think but we desperately need at least 2 gun mids ours have been very weak this year Cotchin can't keep being the only one putting his body on the line , the only one that has been putting off contract talks is Omeara but many teams will chase him and the only other option is to finish down the bottom and draft and develope them but we have to stop drafting average or below par players and hoping they turn into guns this is what has got us in the trouble we are in now
P.S does anyone know what this years crop of draftees are shaping up like ?
Nick Vlastuin was everywhere in the first quarter through the middle. I missed the second half, scoring seems to have dropped after halftime and FF has him playing in defence. Did he get shifted back, and with Rance and Cotchin in next week where do we see him lining up lads?
Quote from: elephants on May 09, 2016, 12:05:29 PM
Nick Vlastuin was everywhere in the first quarter through the middle. I missed the second half, scoring seems to have dropped after halftime and FF has him playing in defence. Did he get shifted back, and with Rance and Cotchin in next week where do we see him lining up lads?
Well, Grimes is probably back next week and I think Morris could hold his spot (shows heart and plays his role despite not being the best footballer in the world) so I think he might play a similar role this week, have stints in the midfield (as he showed he could during the first half) and probably play down back as wlel.
Quote from: Nige on May 09, 2016, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 09, 2016, 12:05:29 PM
Nick Vlastuin was everywhere in the first quarter through the middle. I missed the second half, scoring seems to have dropped after halftime and FF has him playing in defence. Did he get shifted back, and with Rance and Cotchin in next week where do we see him lining up lads?
Well, Grimes is probably back next week and I think Morris could hold his spot (shows heart and plays his role despite not being the best footballer in the world) so I think he might play a similar role this week, have stints in the midfield (as he showed he could during the first half) and probably play down back as wlel.
Interesting, reading Dimma's interview about his role he seemed to suggest it would be a gradual transition. Seems like half the game in the middle then moving down back.
Good call on Grimes and Morris though mate! Astbury played VFL too right?
I read the VFL report and your VFL boys got done by nearly 50 points and there was no mention of Maric dominating ::) :P
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-05-10/the-vfl-report-round-5
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AFL-listed
Adam Marcon
27 disposals, 17 uncontested possessions, six tackles, one goal
Continued his really good form at VFL level. He played a little on the wing this week, we’re looking to add another string to his bow and he was clearly one of our best players.
Taylor Hunt
25 disposals, 18 uncontested possessions, six marks, 11 handball receives
Continues to work hard. His workrate off the ball and ability to turn the footy over in defence is a real standout. We just need him to have better ball use with ball in hand to capitalise on the opportunities he has.
Andrew Moore
21 disposals, six clearances, three tackles, ten contested possessions
Played as an inside-mid and had six clearances but we just need him to play like a big-strong on-baller we know he’s capable of. He’s not far away from really tearing a game apart at this level.
Nathan Broad
18 disposals, six marks, five contested marks, 10 uncontested possessions
Played his best game as a defender for us, started on the wing, but went back and had significant impact for us. His six marks was a team-high for us on the day with his contested marking and rebounding a stand-out and was a really good contributor.
Dave Astbury
15 disposals, seven contested possessions, four marks
Came back to the VFL and played as a key-back. He was a strong competitor in the air, but choosing between marking and spoiling and killing contests are decisions he needs to get right. He was a solid contributor.
Dan Butler
15 disposals, 11 tackles, nine handball receives, one goal
He bounced back to some good form, 15 disposals and 11 tackles as a small-forward are good numbers and kicked a goal. Just getting a balance between his work inside-50 and outside-50 is something he's working on.
Jacob Townsend
13 disposals, six tackles, 11 uncontested possessions
An inside-mid and strong at the contest but we need to see more of the strengths he has. His seven free-kicks against is a balance he needs to find between hardness at the ball and the man and something he needs to really work on.
Oleg Markov
11 disposals, four tackles, three inside-50s
Played as a forward to start with, we wanted to see him play in a different role. He had minimal impact so we moved him to a wing and half-back. His contest stuff was good and he’s got some real upside for us.
Callum Moore
11 disposals, six marks, four hardball gets
Started as a back and after half-time we moved him forward to provide a bit of spark in the forward-line. He continues to jump at the ball and show some real athletic qualities. We’ll continue down that path with him.
Ivan Maric
36 hit-outs, four clearances, four tackles, nine disposals
Returned from AFL opportunity, came back and dominated hit-outs, had four clearances himself, but only the nine disposals. We need his big-strong leadership to make other players stand taller.
Liam McBean
One goal, nine disposals, three marks
Struggled on the day. He had limited opportunity early, but his connection with the other forwards was poor. We need a stronger four-quarter contribution from him.
Ben Lennon
Six disposals, one goal
Unfortunately had another head-clash in the second quarter and failed to return in the second half. That’s two (head-clashes) in his last two games which is concerning.
Mabior Chol
Five disposals, three tackles
He was inconsistent in his effort and intensity and we need more four-quarter consistency in that area from him, he had minimal impact.
Quote from: Nige on May 10, 2016, 07:26:57 PM
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-05-10/the-vfl-report-round-5
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Taylor Hunt
25 disposals, 18 uncontested possessions, six marks, 11 handball receives
Continues to work hard. His workrate off the ball and ability to turn the footy over in defence is a real standout. We just need him to have better ball use with ball in hand to capitalise on the opportunities he has.
I know what they meant but lol :P
The report sounds impressive but most of those players have no future in the AFL
Quote from: Big Mac on May 10, 2016, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 10, 2016, 07:26:57 PM
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-05-10/the-vfl-report-round-5
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Taylor Hunt
25 disposals, 18 uncontested possessions, six marks, 11 handball receives
Continues to work hard. His workrate off the ball and ability to turn the footy over in defence is a real standout. We just need him to have better ball use with ball in hand to capitalise on the opportunities he has.
I know what they meant but lol :P
My initial reaction was exactly this ahaha.
Maric 9 disposals...
Quote from: elephants on May 10, 2016, 09:32:29 PM
Maric 9 disposals...
Just so underdone plus age and injuries have definitely caught up with him.
I love Ivvy to bits and would love him to be out there but I fear his best is past him now, he just looked so cooked against Port. :(
Quote from: shaker on May 06, 2016, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 06, 2016, 12:16:03 AM
Quote from: shaker on May 05, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 05, 2016, 03:48:40 AM
Current injury list.
Reece Conca Hamstring 1 week
Trent Cotchin Cheekbone 2 weeks
Nathan Drummond Knee 1 week
Dylan Grimes Hamstring Test
Kane Lambert Rib/lung 3-4 weeks
Alex Rance Suspension Round eight
Nick Vlastuin Knee Test
Chris Yarran Foot 3-5 weeks
Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond :-\
I think another thing is we have not improved and are playing badly where there is a lot of other teams that are showing big improvement , still think that we need at least half a dozen quality players to go with our core players and some good young talent to become contenders but I have been no fan of this top up plan we have been on for years and the cracks are starting to show
A new ruckman and a CHF should be top of the shopping list. Problem with those types is that if you go after them through the draft then you need to be prepared to wait 5 years for them to be any good
We will have to try and steal a ruck from somewhere I think but we desperately need at least 2 gun mids ours have been very weak this year Cotchin can't keep being the only one putting his body on the line , the only one that has been putting off contract talks is Omeara but many teams will chase him and the only other option is to finish down the bottom and draft and develope them but we have to stop drafting average or below par players and hoping they turn into guns this is what has got us in the trouble we are in now
P.S does anyone know what this years crop of draftees are shaping up like ?
Early days, but Jenkins has been asking for a 4 year contract & ATM a 2 is being floated. Late in the trade week, dogies threw a offer out to Lobbe.
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deserved the win, enjoy it boys!
Hopefully a win like that kickstarts the season for them now.
Great win congrats Tigers fans gotta enjoy that one.
From a neutral observer games like that are why I/we love footy, cracking game that one, I could watch it again right now.
Is Nige back into the real world yet? ;D
Yeah that was awesome.. I've watched the replay of that last 2 minutes like 10 times already haha
Quote from: T Dog on May 15, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
Is Nige back into the real world yet? ;D
No sir.
Draw really opens up now just quietly!
From memory it goes - Freo, Essendon, North, GC, BYE, Brissie!
Thats 4 games you should bank there. Looking real good again. Still not happy that your mob cost me tips + money on the weekend though haha.
Shane Edwards looks to be coming good recently too from a fantasy perspective, started the year horribly!
I was quietly confident this past week against the Swans and I reckon that was the toughest fixture over the six weeks (not including bye obviously haha).
I'd love us to beat North, but we're gonna have to drag them down to our level and hope we turn them into Norf on the day. Touch wood all those games are wins though, they certainly should be.
SEN reporting that Richmond looking to offer Hurley a big money contract at the end of the year.
Anyone know how Ivan Maric went in the VFL lads? I assume after beating Sydney there won't be too many changes even if Hampson didn't do a hell of a lot.
btw wasnt it Sydney last year you guys won against that kick started your season?
Quote from: Toga on May 17, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
SEN reporting that Richmond looking to offer Hurley a big money contract at the end of the year.
Something like $900k for five years, not bad eh.
Quote from: elephants on May 17, 2016, 01:30:36 PM
Anyone know how Ivan Maric went in the VFL lads? I assume after beating Sydney there won't be too many changes even if Hampson didn't do a hell of a lot.
I don't think he'll come in to be honest. Hammer did fairly well in my opinion and was supported well enough by Griff and Ty.
QuoteAdam Marcon
26 disposals, 11 uncontested marks, seven tackles
Continued his great form at VFL level. Played mainly in the midfield, but also spent some time up forward. Finished with 26 disposals, 11 marks and seven tackles. He could’ve had a really big day if he’d converted three shots for goal which resulted in three behinds.
Jacob Townsend
25 disposals, 17 tackles, one goal, seven clearances
Played his best game for the Club. We gave him a role playing on a quality opponent in Nick Rippon, and he kept him to 10 disposals for the three quarters he was on him. He had 25 (disposals) of his own, along with seven clearances, 17 tackles and a goal in a great performance.
Jason Castagna
22 disposals, 19 uncontested possessions, 13 handball-receives
Returned from the AFL with an excellent attitude. Had 22 disposals off half-back, four tackles, led the way again for the team with handball receives (13), and kept his opponent goalless.
Reece Conca
22 disposals, six clearances, seven tackles
Played about 75 per cent of game time in his return from long-term injury. Was clean and tough inside in his midfield role, and a really important contributor with his 22 disposals, which included six clearances. Set up many forward opportunities for the team.
Andrew Moore
19 disposals, 11 uncontested possessions, four tackles
Played on a wing to try and add some flexibility to his game. Had 19 disposals, with a lot of handballs in tight. We’re looking for him to break through and find space and give us another avenue to goal.
Nathan Broad
18 disposals, seven uncontested marks, 12 uncontested possessions
Continued his fine form from the previous week, where he was one of our best players. Again set up plenty of rebound-50s for us. Looks like he’s really improving and hitting his best form.
Callum Moore
Four goals, 18 disposals, five marks
Started forward after we trialled him there for a half in the previous round. Kicked 4.3, which was a great return, and showed what he’s capable of with his playing attributes. His contested marking, in particular, stood out. He’s an exciting prospect up forward for us.
Oleg Markov
13 disposals, six uncontested marks, six inside 50s, one goal
Played wing and a little bit off half-back. He had some really important, impressive moments in the match, particularly in the last quarter, when he had four bounces in carrying the ball half the field, and kicked a superb, inspirational goal. Is another exciting prospect for the Club.
Dave Astbury
12 disposals, seven uncontested marks, 11 uncontested possessions
Played as a key defender and took seven marks for the game â€" five of them intercept grabs. Was an important contributor for the team with his ability to stabilise our backline when the ball went inside the opposition’s forward-50 area. Looks like he’s in good form.
Ivan Maric
38 hit-outs, five tackles, 10 disposals
Dominated the hit-outs (38), had five tackles and also carried the ball at times. Had a big presence for us and was important in the outcome of the match.
Liam McBean
Four goals, 10 disposals, seven marks
Another team member who played his role well. Four goals (4.2) was a good outcome for him on the back of hitting up on the lead and taking five marks inside 50.
Ivan Soldo
16 hit-outs, three tackles
Unfortunately received a head knock in the second quarter and didn’t play the rest of the game.
Marcon continues to kill it.
Townsend had his best game for the twos.
Castagna was great after being dropped from the seniors.
Conca did well in his return to footy after injury.
Get around Georgy, Oleg, and The Bean!
Quote from: GoLions on May 17, 2016, 08:06:58 PM
Get around Georgy, Oleg, and The Bean!
The Russian gymnasts ?
Injury curse continues with Houli out for 10 but I dont mind it as it gives other players a chance to play the role.
Have loved the move of Vlastuin into the midfield the past 2 weeks. Griffiths looks much more comfortable as the deepest forward too.
Quote from: quinny88 on May 18, 2016, 04:29:21 AM
Injury curse continues with Houli out for 10 but I dont mind it as it gives other players a chance to play the role.
Have loved the move of Vlastuin into the midfield the past 2 weeks. Griffiths looks much more comfortable as the deepest forward too.
Yeah Houli listed as 8-10 which isn't quite as bad as the 12 he was initially down for.
Vlastuin in the middle! Looks sweet, hope Cotchin coming in and Houli going out doesn't shunt him back again :(
Quote from: elephants on May 19, 2016, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 18, 2016, 04:29:21 AM
Injury curse continues with Houli out for 10 but I dont mind it as it gives other players a chance to play the role.
Have loved the move of Vlastuin into the midfield the past 2 weeks. Griffiths looks much more comfortable as the deepest forward too.
Yeah Houli listed as 8-10 which isn't quite as bad as the 12 he was initially down for.
Vlastuin in the middle! Looks sweet, hope Cotchin coming in and Houli going out doesn't shunt him back again :(
It's gonna be interesting to see what happens now tbh.
Happy with the ins though, should be good to have Lambert back.
KB to get a brass statue at the MCG for the most games played at the G. Nice, he's a worthy receipiant
Quote from: frenzy on May 25, 2016, 08:44:14 PM
KB to get a brass statue at the MCG for the most games played at the G. Nice, he's a worthy receipiant
One thing is for sure, it won't be a statue of him handballing haha
No Yarran for a while.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-26/tiger-yarran-placed-on-indefinite-leave
RICHMOND recruit Chris Yarran will take indefinite leave from the club as he seeks treatment for a mental health condition.
The half-back, who had been in Western Australia last week for personal reasons, has no timeframe for a return to the club.
Richmond released a statement on Thursday morning saying both Yarran and the Tigers' health and welfare staff felt it was in his best interests to seek professional treatment away from the club.
Coach Damien Hardwick said the 25-year-old would be granted as long as he needed to make a full recovery.
"Chris's health and wellbeing is of the utmost importance to us and there's no timeframe on his return at this stage," he said.
"He's a great young fella and we wish him the best.
"His health and wellbeing is No.1 for us and however long that takes, that's up to Chris and his practitioners.
"He's a star … we can't wait to have him back and he's an important part of our future."
Yarran is yet to debut for Richmond after crossing from Carlton in last year's trade period in exchange for pick No.19, a selection the Blues used to draft David Cuningham.
The speedster returned to pre-season training in poor condition and was initially troubled by a nagging calf injury.
After making a late bid to be right for round one, he broke down with a left foot injury that required surgery in March to repair the plantar fascia tissue.
Yarran now seems a long shot to play a game in his first season at Richmond
Really cant see Yaz playing this season at all now. Fingers crossed he can get himself right and get out there though.
This mental health thing is really sweeping through clubs lately. Makes you wonder if it's something that's a more recent issue because of the pressure on players now days or if other generations just suffered in the background and never said anything.
The only players I ever remember having these issues were Jonathan Hay and Nathan Thompson back in the early 2000's but now there's been so many come out recently with the issue
Not just sports people TV personalities , movie stars , even politicians I think the definition of mental health issues has changed in the old days you had to be in the extreme to be considered to have mental problems these days something as simple as getting caught banging your best mates ex will do
Well another terrible game last night even before the injuries started to happen you could see we were not in the hunt no one could get near the ball and when we did they coughed it up , how can this still be happening so regular after all these years of putting this team together the teams that are contenders don't seem to have this problem ........ something has to change ? >:(
PS : I am just sitting down and watching the Tiges VFL game against Coburg and are starting to understand where our problems lie , players not willing to to do the hard things and put there bodies over the ball like our game against Norf on Friday night so next week we will bring players in with the same mind set as the ones that played on Friday , as they say the fish rots from the head.
I can't shake this feeling that we're gonna lose one of Ty or Griff at EOS and end up with Jenko or Cloke which won't work out at all.
We don't need another Kent Kingsley or Aaron Edwards.
I think losing Griff would be a massive blow for the foot club personally. I seriously rate him, so versatile. Would like to see him get more time in the ruck... imagine the centre clearances he could muster up with that boot!
That's what I've said all along Ele, mentioned it a few weeks ago that I think he could be an asset in the ruck with his athleticism and huge kick!
Personally I think its inevitable that one of them will be leaving at the end of the year though - whether by their choice or the club's choice.
I think Tyrone's got a future at Richmond if he can just find a bit more consistency, I feel he's got most of the tools already.
Griff is probably the better long term option because of his athleticism, kick and ability to perform well as a back up ruck. He's a more attractive prospect and we'll cash in if a club comes knocking.
I'd like to believe holding both could work, but it's so unlikely.
Quote from: Nige on June 08, 2016, 10:12:28 PM
I can't shake this feeling that we're gonna lose one of Ty or Griff at EOS and end up with Jenko or Cloke which won't work out at all.
We don't need another Kent Kingsley or Aaron Edwards.
Wash your mouth out the day we recruit Cloke is the day I am finished with the club , who we should be throwing the kitchen sink at is Majak Daw our Rucks are poor and players like Prestia Omeara and Greene , I am not fussed if we lose Ty or Griff both have had many years and have shown 5/8 of f*%$ all
In terms of talls I'd be going after Witts or Rory Lobb if i was you guys.
Yeah Witts is the one, reckon Lobb would be hard to land considering he's pretty much best 22.
Make an offer for Jon Giles and give him another club to play for :P
If Maric is still on the outer come seasons end he surely hangs up the boots?
I'm like 95% sure that Ivan is retiring at season's end regardless.
He'll be 31 by the time the 2017 season begins and as much as I hate to use a terrible cliche he's "too old and too slow" in a way. That's really just a result of injuries cutting him down and he's never really been able to recover from them and bounce back to just how good he was for us.
It's really unfortunate, seems like a genuine lad with so much heart. His absence has been great for Hammer's development though and since he's back playing VFL now, his experience and leadership would be doing wonders for the likes of Mabior Chol and Ivan Soldo.
Wouldn't be us surprised to target a ruck/forward type though. I think we'll definitely have a look at a Witts/Lobb type. Witts does seem a good option, he's a genuine R/F type which really is what we need since Hammer is pretty much a ruck and nothing more.
I'd like for Griff to become a Tippett/Lycett/Campbell type, but I'm not sure it's gonna happen.
Will give credit where it is due, great final quarter today. Good to see the players stood up when the game was on the line. Dusty was unbelievable.
Hampson has got better every week and is starting to show a bit. Good tap ruckman and getting better around the ground now that he's getting some continuity and stringing some games together.
We won't go near Cloke but we do need another big forward. I have Griffiths ahead of Vickery at the moment but it changes week to week. Either way one has to go because both in the same side doesn't work. Wouldn't mind one of those big fellas from the GC forward line! Would let Lynch write his own check
Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Would let Lynch write his own check
I think the process is...
We throw him a massive offer
Then he comes to you and tells you what to beat
You sign him
Quote from: Ricochet on June 13, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Would let Lynch write his own check
I think the process is...
We throw him a massive offer
Then he comes to you and tells you what to beat
You sign him
Ahaha sounds about right
Sounds like something we'd do tbh.
Agree thats probably the best I've seen Hampson play probably ever. With each game like that you'd have to assume Maric moves closer and closer to playing out the season in the VFL and probably hanging up the boots.
Quote from: Ricochet on June 13, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Would let Lynch write his own check
I think the process is...
We throw him a massive offer
Then he comes to you and tells you what to beat
You sign him
Jeez I would rather they threw a big offer at a gun mid we have Jroo I think one of the best goal kickers in the league plus Griff and spud Vickery how many do we want , Daw would be a better target he is looking like he is going to go bang if given a chance but if they even take a sideways glance at Cloke I will be furious we already have to live with Yarran our worst trade in the last 5 years
Quote from: shaker on June 13, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 13, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Would let Lynch write his own check
I think the process is...
We throw him a massive offer
Then he comes to you and tells you what to beat
You sign him
Jeez I would rather they threw a big offer at a gun mid we have Jroo I think one of the best goal kickers in the league plus Griff and spud Vickery how many do we want , Daw would be a better target he is looking like he is going to go bang if given a chance but if they even take a sideways glance at Cloke I will be furious we already have to live with Yarran our worst trade in the last 5 years
Two of the most dominant teams of the last 20 years:
- Brisbane (Lynch, Brown, Bradshaw)
- Hawthorn (Roughy, GUNston)
If you had the chance to take Lynch, you'd take it. Maybe trade Vickery if anyone actually wanted him, but regardless, you'd take Lynch in a heartbeat.
Quote from: GoLions on June 13, 2016, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 13, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 13, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Would let Lynch write his own check
I think the process is...
We throw him a massive offer
Then he comes to you and tells you what to beat
You sign him
Jeez I would rather they threw a big offer at a gun mid we have Jroo I think one of the best goal kickers in the league plus Griff and spud Vickery how many do we want , Daw would be a better target he is looking like he is going to go bang if given a chance but if they even take a sideways glance at Cloke I will be furious we already have to live with Yarran our worst trade in the last 5 years
Two of the most dominant teams of the last 20 years:
- Brisbane (Lynch, Brown, Bradshaw)
- Hawthorn (Roughy, GUNston)
If you had the chance to take Lynch, you'd take it. Maybe trade Vickery if anyone actually wanted him, but regardless, you'd take Lynch in a heartbeat.
I'm not saying Lynch is no good but our Rucks are poor if Hampson goes down we really don't have a backup only part timers Daw has shown enough in the couple of chances he has had to say he could be the next big thing ruck wise and we desperately need another real quality mid and there looks like there might be 2 or 3 available at years end but knowing Richmond and there woeful trading of the last few years they probably chase a potatoe like Cloke
Quote from: shaker on June 13, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: GoLions on June 13, 2016, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 13, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 13, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Would let Lynch write his own check
I think the process is...
We throw him a massive offer
Then he comes to you and tells you what to beat
You sign him
Jeez I would rather they threw a big offer at a gun mid we have Jroo I think one of the best goal kickers in the league plus Griff and spud Vickery how many do we want , Daw would be a better target he is looking like he is going to go bang if given a chance but if they even take a sideways glance at Cloke I will be furious we already have to live with Yarran our worst trade in the last 5 years
Two of the most dominant teams of the last 20 years:
- Brisbane (Lynch, Brown, Bradshaw)
- Hawthorn (Roughy, GUNston)
If you had the chance to take Lynch, you'd take it. Maybe trade Vickery if anyone actually wanted him, but regardless, you'd take Lynch in a heartbeat.
I'm not saying Lynch is no good but our Rucks are poor if Hampson goes down we really don't have a backup only part timers Daw has shown enough in the couple of chances he has had to say he could be the next big thing ruck wise and we desperately need another real quality mid and there looks like there might be 2 or 3 available at years end but knowing Richmond and there woeful trading of the last few years they probably chase a potatoe like Cloke
Hampson just smashed Daw in the ruck 2 weeks ago. Daw would just play in our VFL so don't see why he would leave north?
Would live to have a guy like him as backup though
Rumours going around that we're in the box seat for Dion Prestia.
He was a Melbourne fan growing up though, so if he comes home, it might not be an easy fight.
Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quote from: shaker on June 28, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Quote from: quinny88 on June 29, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 28, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Sooner or later even with our spud recruiters they have to get one right and land a big name :P
Quote from: shaker on June 30, 2016, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 29, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 28, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Sooner or later even with our spud recruiters they have to get one right and land a big name :P
Zac Clarke is on the table ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on June 30, 2016, 10:58:13 AM
Quote from: shaker on June 30, 2016, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 29, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 28, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Sooner or later even with our spud recruiters they have to get one right and land a big name :P
Zac Clarke is on the table ;)
Maybe you could throw us a third round pick as well to take him off your hands :P
Quote from: shaker on June 30, 2016, 01:30:12 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 30, 2016, 10:58:13 AM
Quote from: shaker on June 30, 2016, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 29, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 28, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Sooner or later even with our spud recruiters they have to get one right and land a big name :P
Zac Clarke is on the table ;)
Maybe you could throw us a third round pick as well to take him off your hands :P
Nah mate, they chuck in Fyfe or no deal.
Quote from: Nige on June 30, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 30, 2016, 01:30:12 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 30, 2016, 10:58:13 AM
Quote from: shaker on June 30, 2016, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 29, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: shaker on June 28, 2016, 01:42:58 PM
Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Sooner or later even with our spud recruiters they have to get one right and land a big name :P
Zac Clarke is on the table ;)
Maybe you could throw us a third round pick as well to take him off your hands :P
Nah mate, they chuck in Fyfe or no deal.
oh ok, may as well have Neale as well
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Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Sooner or later even with our spud recruiters they have to get one right and land a big name :P
Zac Clarke is on the table ;)
Maybe you could throw us a third round pick as well to take him off your hands :P
Nah mate, they chuck in Fyfe or no deal.
oh ok, may as well have Neale as well
You're too kind!
I know you guys need a gun forward, but Tyrone isn't available after that miracle left-footer at the G last Saturday.
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Prestia would be great hope we have a fair crack at getting him plus chase another ruck Ivan's finished and although Hampson has been good he is starting to look less than durable of late , Daw would be good he is a monster but still has a way to go but coming into the right age for a ruckmen I wonder what it would take to snaffle him from the Roo's ?
Quite a bit I would I would say. He's just waiting his time for Petrie to retire and he will be a regular in the forward line.
Tbh there aren't many decent ruckman around that aren't playing in the 1s.
Prestia would be a great get, but we will find a way to stuff it up no doubt lol
Sooner or later even with our spud recruiters they have to get one right and land a big name :P
Zac Clarke is on the table ;)
Maybe you could throw us a third round pick as well to take him off your hands :P
Nah mate, they chuck in Fyfe or no deal.
oh ok, may as well have Neale as well
You're too kind!
I know you guys need a gun forward, but Tyrone isn't available after that miracle left-footer at the G last Saturday.
Yes he is but think they might need to throw in Barlow to go with Fyfe and Neale .... so Barlow Fyfe Neale plus Clarke and a 3rd round pick for Vickery still a bit in Freo's advantage but we can't be greedy
Reece McKenzie has retired from AFL football after battling mental health issues. :(
All the best to the lad, had some solid potential, but his health is the most important thing.
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Reece McKenzie has retired from AFL football after battling mental health issues. :(
All the best to the lad, had some solid potential, but his health is the most important thing.
I saw the injury list yesterday and saw he had mental health next to his name, I didn't even know about it.
Apparently rumours going around that Michael Voss could be coaching Richmond next season.
Good luck lol
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Yeah have fun guys
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Apparently rumours going around that Michael Voss could be coaching Richmond next season.
Surely that is just a sick joke
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Apparently rumours going around that Michael Voss could be coaching Richmond next season.
Surely that is just a sick joke
From what I heard, the speculation is fueled from him having lunch with Brendon Gale and Dimma not having filled some 'performance goals' this season.
That strikes me as odd and premature really, I can't really see it happening.
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Apparently rumours going around that Michael Voss could be coaching Richmond next season.
Surely that is just a sick joke
From what I heard, the speculation is fueled from him having lunch with Brendon Gale and Dimma not having filled some 'performance goals' this season.
That strikes me as odd and premature really, I can't really see it happening.
Giving Dimma an extension was premature imo
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Apparently rumours going around that Michael Voss could be coaching Richmond next season.
Surely that is just a sick joke
From what I heard, the speculation is fueled from him having lunch with Brendon Gale and Dimma not having filled some 'performance goals' this season.
That strikes me as odd and premature really, I can't really see it happening.
Giving Dimma an extension was premature imo
Look, I'm hesitant to agree or disagree honestly.
I think part of it was to shut down speculation about his job security, but then he got the extension and we ended up playing like shower off the back of all those failed elimination finals which basically added to the attention around Dimma because it all falls back on the coach even if it's actually the players that can't get their shower together.
Personally, I'm still a fan of Dimma and I'd definitely prefer to Vossy any day of the week.
But yeah, I'd rather assessments be made after Round 23 (or finals if we make it, but realistically that looks unlikely), especially considering he did get that extension.
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Apparently rumours going around that Michael Voss could be coaching Richmond next season.
Surely that is just a sick joke
From what I heard, the speculation is fueled from him having lunch with Brendon Gale and Dimma not having filled some 'performance goals' this season.
That strikes me as odd and premature really, I can't really see it happening.
It does not look good for Dimma this year after this many years of him in charge but I think he is a good coach the problem is our list and depth after many years of recruiting mistakes , there is some talk of a cleanout maybe Voss is being approached about an assistant coaching position ...... well lets hope that is what it is
just once, can brandon ellis' first reaction not be to handball backwards, panic, then kick a mongrel across his body to the opposition... also, hardwick's press conferences are absolute jibberish
I think we're right to be both worried and disgusted now.
I have been saying now for 3 years that the Tiges were heading in the wrong direction and we will not win a flag under this plan only to be told that I was totally wrong and that everything was going great ...... well have a guess what this club has to make major changes or we will continue to be a very average team , I actually hope they let Dimma finish his contract but probably expect a knee jerk reaction , they need a complete cleanout of the assistant coaches and recruiting dept we have an invisible president and are not sure Brendon Gale is as good as everyone thinks , then the list well a broom needs to go through there but you could not possibly do that in 1 year e.g Yarran a lazy footballer with a terrible attitude that 3 coaches at the Blues could not fix that when dropped because of his laziness and chip on his shoulder did not even try in the VFL to think that we could of had Adams or Collins with that pick 19 makes me very angry , we deserve to be in the position we find ourselves in.
I thought Maric was supposed to be good, was I making that up?
If you guys need a ruckman, Trent West is on the table ;)
Should target AFL quality players like Steele, Hrovat, Towers and Nichols. As long as spuds like Batchelor and Hunt get games you'll never get anywhere. Trade that joke of a captain if you have to.
Voss isn't the worst coach. His players were shower and it's not like they've flourished once he moved on. You can't shine shower.
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Should target AFL quality players like Steele, Hrovat, Towers and Nichols. As long as spuds like Batchelor and Hunt get games you'll never get anywhere. Trade that joke of a captain if you have to.
Voss isn't the worst coach. His players were shower and it's not like they've flourished once he moved on. You can't shine shower.
Tad harsh on Cotchin they should never had made him captain and that reflects on the bad decision making that has gone on at Richmond , he is just one of many AFL players that struggles with a tag the spotlight needs to go on players like Edwards and Ellis I am sure if you google downhill skier there will be a picture of Edwards time after time when the game is there to be won and other players are doing it tough he does nothing look at our finals games he is a shocker that does not want to put his head over the ball but he is not alone . I wish we had the depth to be able to put these guys back in the 2's until they understand that this is required every game not only when things are easy but we don't , maybe now is the time .
Apparently Richmond are in the box seat to get Prestia, 700k contract which Melbourne arent willing to pay. Will see what happens though.
Calling Cotchin a joke? He's a star and has had a really strong season. Was poor on Friday night but so were plenty of others. Too much reliance on him and Dusty in the middle, they need a bit of support. Prestia would be nice.
Lets wait and see Yarran play before making judgement on him too soon. Hoping he plays some footy late in the year
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Apparently Richmond are in the box seat to get Prestia, 700k contract which Melbourne arent willing to pay. Will see what happens though.
Calling Cotchin a joke? He's a star and has had a really strong season. Was poor on Friday night but so were plenty of others. Too much reliance on him and Dusty in the middle, they need a bit of support. Prestia would be nice.
Lets wait and see Yarran play before making judgement on him too soon. Hoping he plays some footy late in the year
700k is a lot but that is where our problem lies as we saw when our 2 best are tagged we get slaughtered and having other players that are not willing to get there hands dirty when this happens is another , the coach has finally come out and said finals are out so we don't need to win many more games and after watching the 2's on the weekend ( which did a lot better ) it's time to give young guys Castagna , McBean , Lennon , Rioli and Marcon a good run plus others and time for Lambert . Edwards and even Ellis to go back and learn that they have to give 100% every game not just when it is easy
As for Yarran yes we have him now and we need to play him but not sure if he is up to it anymore but my point was that was a trade that should never have been done like a lot of other rejects we have gathered over the years
PLEASE take Michael Voss!! The combination of Phil Walsh leaving and Michael Voss coming in has ruined Port's midfield :'(
As a non-Richmond supporter and someone that loves to find different ways to make fun of Richmond, I really hope Hardwick stays on as coach ;D I think the best comment I heard at the game on Friday was "There was no breeze and Cotchin still kicked into it!" We will never forget that game as Power supporters :)
On a serious note though, you've got a good group of midfielders there I think. I actually think Cotchin is a good captain and I wouldn't go taking that off him. But other than Rance can anyone beat their opponent? Troy Chaplin can't even get a game in that defence, and he is BAD. Lloyd and Riewoldt very good up forward, Vickery I don't rate, Griffiths hasn't got the game to game consistency in him yet. I think there's upside to the squad, but it looks like Hardwick isn't the person to make the most of that.
Richmond need to trade off some of these midfielders. Got way too many of the same type. Outside skill and pace would nearly have to be the worst of any club... Cotchin, slow. Grigg, slow. B.Ellis, slow. C.Ellis, slow. Martin, slow but strong. I don't even think Menadue is that quick... He just looks quick in comparison. The only one that comes to mind that has a chance is Rioli...But how long will it take for him to have a midfielder tank?
I reckon try and get rid of Brandon Ellis + Vickery for either a quick midfielder or a early 1st rounder and pick up a kid with a bit of pace. Preferably not with an injury history. That will help.
Lewy Taylor Tiges fans?
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On a serious note though, you've got a good group of midfielders there I think. I actually think Cotchin is a good captain and I wouldn't go taking that off him. But other than Rance can anyone beat their opponent? Troy Chaplin can't even get a game in that defence, and he is BAD. Lloyd and Riewoldt very good up forward, Vickery I don't rate, Griffiths hasn't got the game to game consistency in him yet. I think there's upside to the squad, but it looks like Hardwick isn't the person to make the most of that.
I don't get the Chaplin comment haha... He isn't getting a game because he is bad..? ???
For starters, Voss isn't coming to Richmond, the post was a joke from a Facebook page that also posted saying we were signing Bootsma up a couple of years ago lol.
On Lewy Taylor, I'd take him at Richmond for sure. Will be a very good player.
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Richmond need to trade off some of these midfielders. Got way too many of the same type. Outside skill and pace would nearly have to be the worst of any club... Cotchin, slow. Grigg, slow. B.Ellis, slow. C.Ellis, slow. Martin, slow but strong. I don't even think Menadue is that quick... He just looks quick in comparison. The only one that comes to mind that has a chance is Rioli...But how long will it take for him to have a midfielder tank?
I reckon try and get rid of Brandon Ellis + Vickery for either a quick midfielder or a early 1st rounder and pick up a kid with a bit of pace. Preferably not with an injury history. That will help.
Slow in comparison to who? Could say that about most sides. There's only one or 2 genuine line breakers at every team. How teams move the ball is what really matters.
I was a big fan of B.Ellis but I think he's definitely one we could look at trading that has some currency
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On Lewy Taylor, I'd take him at Richmond for sure. Will be a very good player.
For 500k a year? Bonkers to pay him that much I reckon
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On Lewy Taylor, I'd take him at Richmond for sure. Will be a very good player.
For 500k a year? Bonkers to pay him that much I reckon
Where did that figure come from ?
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On Lewy Taylor, I'd take him at Richmond for sure. Will be a very good player.
For 500k a year? Bonkers to pay him that much I reckon
Where did that figure come from ?
That's what he's demanding at Brisbane atm.
I'm with ele though. Big fan of Squizz, but there's no chance I'd take him on 500k a year.
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On Lewy Taylor, I'd take him at Richmond for sure. Will be a very good player.
For 500k a year? Bonkers to pay him that much I reckon
Where did that figure come from ?
Have you been living under a rock? haha
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On a serious note though, you've got a good group of midfielders there I think. I actually think Cotchin is a good captain and I wouldn't go taking that off him. But other than Rance can anyone beat their opponent? Troy Chaplin can't even get a game in that defence, and he is BAD. Lloyd and Riewoldt very good up forward, Vickery I don't rate, Griffiths hasn't got the game to game consistency in him yet. I think there's upside to the squad, but it looks like Hardwick isn't the person to make the most of that.
I don't get the Chaplin comment haha... He isn't getting a game because he is bad..? ???
Neither do I reading it back. :-[ He did play last time you guys played Port though (as in Rd 6) and he definitely sucked then as well :P
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On Lewy Taylor, I'd take him at Richmond for sure. Will be a very good player.
For 500k a year? Bonkers to pay him that much I reckon
Where did that figure come from ?
Have you been living under a rock? haha
Haha don't spend to much time on Brisbane player demands 500K tell him he's dreaming :P
Troy Chaplin has announced his retirement, effective immediately.
I thought he was particularly handy in his first two seasons with us. Fairly reliable and was just one of those serviceable types who would get the job done.
He's staying on at the club in a coaching capacity.
I actually saw him walking to Punt Rd after the Brisbane game a few weeks ago, I really wanted to ask him for an autograph but didn't and now I really regret it.
Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)
But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)
He was actually a good player for us in 13' and 14' and had some really solid years at Port including a 3rd place in their b&f.
Body has gone and he's not part of our future so I would imagine he was offered the opportunity to retire on his terms before he was delisted at the end of the year.
I expect a similar announcement to come from Ivan in the coming weeks, which will mean we don't have a single player over 30. I think Lids might even be the oldest at 28? :o
Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.
Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)
Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.
Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.
FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna
Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.
If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder
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Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.
Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)
Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.
Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.
FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna
Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.
If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder
Good write Q and agree with the names you have thrown up for trade especially Ellis and Edwards the latter clearly needs a new start somewhere else he continually has no impact on games unless the team is belting sides and Lloyd has clearly taken his spot
the most important thing is to secure Prestia and another ruckmen
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Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)
But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)
+1
He left Port Adelaide in the most disrespectful way possible.
It caused no detriment to the club (unlike when players like Tippett left their respective clubs) so I shouldn't really be complaining. However, his departure email to the players and the coaching staff was insulting.
Regardless, that was Troy Chaplin -
the AFL player, and I wish him the best of luck as a coach
I'm gonna break this down because I agree with parts and not so much with others.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.
Yep, this all true. Ivan will definitely announce his soon too you feel. Not sure about Morris though, I think he may be kept around as a bit of a leader for the younger guys as an example of the effort/heart we need, and as you say, delisting him while he has an ACL looks pretty rough. May be asked to retire though, I just don't see it happening.
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Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)
It seems likely that one of Ty or Griff will go, Ty being more likely. Conca has been troubled by injuries a lot lately and honestly think he just needs a decent run at it. 2017 would be his last chance imo. Moore, Butler, Elton and McBean are definitely in trouble. Batch is an odd one, I think he's handy depth, we don't really want him playing, but I rather have someone like him ready to come in than blood someone who is not ready at all, we might dump him given Broad is a similar type. Hunt is okay, I think he's gotten a lot unfair hate. He's actually been surprisingly good at times this year and nobody will take him, so I'd rather keep him as an option if we ever need him but would play a kid in front of him.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.
Agreed on the latter two bits, but Houli and Grigg at the very least need to stay. Bach is important to us, a shame he got injured but his role is his and his only. Grigga's past two seasons have been career best. He's one of our oldest and most experienced so I'd keep him for that reason. Ellis has currency imo, but we won't use him because his best is bloody good but he's shutdown and exposed badly this year. Shedda's been slightly interrupted by injury this year as well, and is like Brando in that his best and worst are miles apart.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.
FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna
Obviously missing names like Houli etc who imo should be there, still a good (albeit young) side though. The Prestia inclusion helps a ton. Having all of Cotch, Prestia, Miles and Vlastuin winning the hard ball would go a long way.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.
Pretty good reflection this bit, can't argue with anything here. It would put us in the same boat as St Kilda/Melbourne types which isn't a bad thing considering both are showing plenty of upside and building good depth to compliment young lists.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder
Definitely some tough calls to make, will certainly be interested to see if they do or don't happen. My faith is still there, but I'm keen to see a bit of a turnover to the both the list and coaching staff. I don't think being all doom and gloom is necessary because there's pretty good upside if the right calls are made, let's just hope they actually take place.
Quote from: PowerBug on July 19, 2016, 09:20:23 PM
Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)
But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)
Dancing on the grave of a bloke who has just retired is a bit poor.
Sure, I'd be pretty salty too if I was you, given the way he left your club but doesn't excuse talking shower like that.
I reckon that at a time like this, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
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Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.
Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)
Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.
Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.
FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna
Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.
If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder
Good write Q and agree with the names you have thrown up for trade especially Ellis and Edwards the latter clearly needs a new start somewhere else he continually has no impact on games unless the team is belting sides and Lloyd has clearly taken his spot
the most important thing is to secure Prestia and another ruckmen
Also think Houli would be one to keep just a bit more experience down back because as you know I am no fan of Yarran and he will eventually let us down even if he does play , personally I think his playing days are over but like you said it is important for us to keep our draft picks and see what we can get for players you have mentioned and delist the rest
Yeah all those guys won't go but just throwing up names that I think are worth something decent without giving away our stars.
Gotta give something up to attain picks and decent players
Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys
Quote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys
No it isn't >:(
Quote from: Nige on July 20, 2016, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on July 19, 2016, 09:20:23 PM
Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)
But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)
Dancing on the grave of a bloke who has just retired is a bit poor.
Sure, I'd be pretty salty too if I was you, given the way he left your club but doesn't excuse talking shower like that.
I reckon that at a time like this, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Just a fun Nigey :'( He can't be the worst anyway, John Butcher....
Still reckon it's an inside ploy by the Power to wreck the Tigers though :P
Quote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys
Hammer's definitely our no.1 ruck though, that's his specialty. Would mean Witts has to have stints forward and he's not so good at that. Not sure he'd want to be back up to Hammer.
Quote from: Nige on July 20, 2016, 04:00:08 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys
Hammer's definitely our no.1 ruck though, that's his specialty. Would mean Witts has to have stints forward and he's not so good at that. Not sure he'd want to be back up to Hammer.
Witts > Hampson man
You're looking at a mini rebuild. Hampson is 29 next year and you have a 23yr old ruckman with plenty of ability potentially available... you should be going after him.
Quote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2016, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Nige on July 20, 2016, 04:00:08 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 20, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys
Hammer's definitely our no.1 ruck though, that's his specialty. Would mean Witts has to have stints forward and he's not so good at that. Not sure he'd want to be back up to Hammer.
Witts > Hampson man
You're looking at a mini rebuild. Hampson is 29 next year and you have a 23yr old ruckman with plenty of ability potentially available... you should be going after him.
Look, I'll be honest and say that I forgot that Hammer is 29 next year and Witts is 23 aha.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile
::)
Everybody seems to be rating Kam McIntosh highly then?
Wouldn't mind Vickery/Griffiths to compliment Jessie White as our spud forward combo. Lol
You serious about that trade though? For Witts?
Quote from: nrich102 on July 20, 2016, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on July 20, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile
::)
Well with our oldest player being 28 it would have to be on par with you guys wouldn't it?
Quote from: T Dog on July 20, 2016, 08:54:41 PM
Everybody seems to be rating Kam McIntosh highly then?
Very. Only not playing because he's injured
We definitely need at least a backup ruckman. I think Hampson is playing some really good footy now that he's finally getting his body right. Dominates the hitouts, and is starting to take some of those grabs around the ground that you expect. Will always be an awkward kick but most ruckman are.
In saying that, I do like Witts and would be happy to have him at the tiges
Quote from: quinny88 on July 21, 2016, 12:03:24 AM
We definitely need at least a backup ruckman. I think Hampson is playing some really good footy now that he's finally getting his body right. Dominates the hitouts, and is starting to take some of those grabs around the ground that you expect. Will always be an awkward kick but most ruckman are.
In saying that, I do like Witts and would be happy to have him at the tiges
Apart from Prestia must be top on the list so don't know if we can poach one like Witts or get one from one of the state leagues or if there are any standouts in the draft but that would be looking long term
Apprently Devon Smith from GWS is high on our list of targets. I rate him heaps and would love him at the Tiges. It's been said that if we fail to get Dev them we'll go after Dion.
Quote from: Nige on July 21, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
Apprently Devon Smith from GWS is high on our list of targets. I rate him heaps and would love him at the Tiges. It's been said that if we fail to get Dev them we'll go after Dion.
GWS have to lose 600 or 700K from there cap this year so Smith would be good so would Greene they have so many good mids I think Greene would be a beast as a pure mid ?
Quote from: shaker on July 21, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Nige on July 21, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
Apprently Devon Smith from GWS is high on our list of targets. I rate him heaps and would love him at the Tiges. It's been said that if we fail to get Dev them we'll go after Dion.
GWS have to lose 600 or 700K from there cap this year so Smith would be good so would Greene they have so many good mids I think Greene would be a beast as a pure mid ?
He can rack it up but who knows where it'll go once it hits his boot
Quote from: Big Mac on July 21, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: shaker on July 21, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Nige on July 21, 2016, 10:47:11 AM
Apprently Devon Smith from GWS is high on our list of targets. I rate him heaps and would love him at the Tiges. It's been said that if we fail to get Dev them we'll go after Dion.
GWS have to lose 600 or 700K from there cap this year so Smith would be good so would Greene they have so many good mids I think Greene would be a beast as a pure mid ?
He can rack it up but who knows where it'll go once it hits his boot
Pretty much ahaha, would prefer Dev over Greene any day.
Either would be good but I thought we had already thrown the money at Prestia ? he would be my choice out of the 3
Another terrible performance on the weekend how can some of our guys have such terrible skills after playing so much AFL ? at least the kids are getting a run I think we can add Conca to the list of players to trade pretty sure he is from the west maybe there might be some interest in him , after watching the footy shows last night I am starting to agree with some opinions that we need more than just a mini rebuild and thinking Dimma might not survive this apart from a very poor list there seems to be so many things wrong in all departments , lets hope there is someone good enough at our club to sort this mess out and put us on a path to be a successful club :'(
Lennon injured again. :(
vickery in for mcbean, i give up... standard dimma playing his favourites, now coaching for his career.
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on July 29, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
vickery in for mcbean, i give up... standard dimma playing his favourites, now coaching for his career.
I'm thinking it might partially be an attempt to hope Vickery can play a few good games to round out the season and increase his value a bit.
Really happy Marcon is finally getting a debut, shame it had to take practically all season given he's been killing the VFL.
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on July 29, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
vickery in for mcbean, i give up... standard dimma playing his favourites, now coaching for his career.
Don't think it matters who he plays for the rest of the year it has been an absolute failure for Dimma and the club this season so bringing in Vickery won't change that probably more to do with Griffiths being out and the Bean not really grabbing his chance , think they should have given Castagna some more games Lambert had his chance and did little.
I'm really hoping we are talking and negotiating with Bomber Thomson.
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
I'm really hoping we are talking and negotiating with Bomber Thomson.
Don't think we're tanking but we're certainly not interested in winning. Actually hoping we do lose the last 4 and drop a couple more spots. Better draft picks and more chance of a more drastic clean out happening.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 31, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
I'm really hoping we are talking and negotiating with Bomber Thomson.
Don't think we're tanking but we're certainly not interested in winning. Actually hoping we do lose the last 4 and drop a couple more spots. Better draft picks and more chance of a more drastic clean out happening.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 31, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
I'm really hoping we are talking and negotiating with Bomber Thomson.
Don't think we're tanking but we're certainly not interested in winning. Actually hoping we do lose the last 4 and drop a couple more spots. Better draft picks and more chance of a more drastic clean out happening.
We are not tanking Q just not very good fallen off a cliff one might say we only had 4 kids and Marcon on Saturday don't think the players believe anymore saw Richo talking on Saturday night he said as much as he could but you tell he knew things were bad , the worst part will be getting a belting off the skunks this week and I am serious about Bomber he has come out and said he wants to coach this is our 17th year under unproven coaches and it has got us nowhere so think it is time for major change even though Gale has come out and said Dimma will be coaching next year , think he should be following Dimma out the door IMO :(
Yeah sorry I read that as tanking haha.
I'm not sold on Bomber anyway though. Not sure he would be the answer. When you look at the recent positive turn arounds from clubs it's happened from new coaches.
Beverage at the dogs going from bottom 4 to 2 consecutive finals, Hinkley did the same at Port, Simpson at West coast, and now we're seeing Bolton change the culture at Carlton with a pretty ordinary list to work with.
I'm happy for Hardwick to go again one more year if he's actually going to shake things up in the off season but if he goes with the same failed players next year and were sitting in the bottom 8 again I don't think he will last out the season.
Yes and the Saints coach to but we have had 17 years of unsuccessful ones Dimma has had 7 years and he still can't get them to tackle consistently I'm over him
I'm pretty sure Terry Wallace doesn't fit that category and Spud at least got you guys to a prelim final.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2016, 07:06:11 PM
I'm pretty sure Terry Wallace doesn't fit that category and Spud at least got you guys to a prelim final.
How many flags for those 2 ?
Quote from: shaker on July 31, 2016, 07:01:16 PM
Yes and the Saints coach to but we have had 17 years of unsuccessful ones Dimma has had 7 years and he still can't get them to tackle consistently I'm over him
Keep in mind what a basket case we were before we got him though. Was as big a turn around as Melbourne have been going through and although we've failed in finals he's had us half a game outside the top 4 in 2 of those 3 finals appearances.
It's been a horror year but I'm not against giving him a chance to redeem himself. Will form a better opinion on him in the off season when I see what he does with the list
Lets see what happens I think it is just postponing the inevitable
I see it as a Similair situation that Carlton were in a few years ago with Ratten that they sacked after one down year to get Malthouse and have regretted it ever since until they got Bolton in.
It may well be the right move to get rid of him but he's there for at least next year so let's see what he an do to turn things around
Quote from: shaker on July 31, 2016, 07:08:43 PM
How many flags for those 2 ?
I don't think your last 10 coaches have won a premiership but that is beside the point. Just because a coach has won a premiership at 1 club it doesn't mean they will replicate the success again.
Our most successful coach since Parkin was Brett Ratten, we have had two 'master coaches' in Pagan and Malthouse in that time and they did nothing but set the club back 5 years each. In recent memory the only coach in the last decade to win a premiership at another club is Malthouse and look how his tenure at Carlton ended. I think you guys let Hardwick start next season as coach and if it looks like no progress is made you go a different route. I'm not comparing you guys to the Geelong team in 07 because they were infinitely more talented, but Bomber was in the gun heading into 07 after missing finals 06 and then losing to North at home 5 or 6 weeks in to the season. They let him coach it out and it eventuated in a dynasty.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2016, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 31, 2016, 07:08:43 PM
How many flags for those 2 ?
I don't think your last 10 coaches have won a premiership but that is beside the point. Just because a coach has won a premiership at 1 club it doesn't mean they will replicate the success again.
Our most successful coach since Parkin was Brett Ratten, we have had two 'master coaches' in Pagan and Malthouse in that time and they did nothing but set the club back 5 years each. In recent memory the only coach in the last decade to win a premiership at another club is Malthouse and look how his tenure at Carlton ended. I think you guys let Hardwick start next season as coach and if it looks like no progress is made you go a different route. I'm not comparing you guys to the Geelong team in 07 because they were infinitely more talented, but Bomber was in the gun heading into 07 after missing finals 06 and then losing to North at home 5 or 6 weeks in to the season. They let him coach it out and it eventuated in a dynasty.
That's true and good what you say but had Bomber already been there for 7 years ? the Tiges now are still showing the same signs as of 4 years ago lack of tackling lack of desperation ( except for players like Rance ) terrible skills why is it after all these years that he has not even been able to instill with the players that tackling is a must do every game , so the majority of the players are no good or he is no good at coaching them to do it ? any way the Tige supporters are in for much more pain for many years because apart from the obvious good players the cattle he says that are already there are Calves we have seen blooded lately and not all of them will make the cut
2000-2007 is 7 years.
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2016, 08:17:50 PM
2000-2007 is 7 years.
Ok but anyway I look at it my feeling is his time is up in 7 years he has assembled a team of rubbish players and his recruiters have done him no favours in this and it will be a miracle to trade our way out of this mess this year
To be fair to Geelong as well, they were Nick Davis snap from a prelim final in 05 and lost to the eventual premiers in the 2nd week of finals before their down year.
Richmond haven't won a final under Hardwick so he doesn't deserve the same treatment in that regard. I thought it was premature to extend his contract but they obviously did it to prevent the circus that can follow in these situations if a coach is coming out of contract. I think they give him 12 weeks next year to show it was just a down year or he is out.
This is where Carlton were f'ing stupid and put under the gun by Malthouse, Richmond can't let Bomber do the same thing to them. Ratten had 12 months to run on his contract and had one down season after being a kick out of a prelim while missing Gibbs/Kreuz/Waite. In 2012 after being 'premiership favourites' they were smashed by injuries in 2012. Malthouse said it was now or never for him to coach and Carlton dumped Ratten. If Bomber says it is now or never for me to coach Richmond can't cave and ditch Hardwick. They are better off letting him coach out his contract and then look at the whole situation instead of likely wasting another X amount of years before rebuilding.
The problem is there has to be drastic changes to the club or quality players won't come we saw Treloar say he picked the Pies because of our list , players just don't want money they want success and now our list and people in charge of it look worse than last year as for the contract ext. if Dimma was sacked the people who thought it was a good idea to extend should follow him out the door , the person responsible for getting Yarran out the door as well ( you guys must still have a smile on your faces about that one )
Then you have our president Peggy what's her face I have never heard her make a comment and have only ever seen her when she was appointed I not asking for another Eddie but she is invisible so my problem with the club is just not with Dimma but lets see what the club plans to do and if they fiddle around the edges the Tiges next year will be cellar dwellers with the Lions as all other teams that have had lean years have shown they have turned the corner.
Peggy O'Neal and Benny Gale are two of the best things to happen to the club, they're not going anywhere.
Quote from: Nige on August 01, 2016, 11:55:56 AM
Peggy O'Neal and Benny Gale are two of the best things to happen to the club, they're not going anywhere.
I respect your opinion about them but I see it different but that is ok , under them all I see is bad decisions that have been made over the last few years coming to bite us on the arse I'm critical of her only because I would not even know if she had fallen off the planet because she is non existent , invisible all the time not what you need as a figurehead of a football club but that is just my opinion.
Quote from: shaker on August 01, 2016, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: Nige on August 01, 2016, 11:55:56 AM
Peggy O'Neal and Benny Gale are two of the best things to happen to the club, they're not going anywhere.
I respect your opinion about them but I see it different but that is ok , under them all I see is bad decisions that have been made over the last few years coming to bite us on the arse I'm critical of her only because I would not even know if she had fallen off the planet because she is non existent , invisible all the time not what you need as a figurehead of a football club but that is just my opinion.
Not every club president has to be as prominent as Eddie, Kochie and Brayshaw. You'll rarely hear a bad word about Peggy, and for good reason. Incredibly well respected individual.
Quote from: Nige on August 01, 2016, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: shaker on August 01, 2016, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: Nige on August 01, 2016, 11:55:56 AM
Peggy O'Neal and Benny Gale are two of the best things to happen to the club, they're not going anywhere.
I respect your opinion about them but I see it different but that is ok , under them all I see is bad decisions that have been made over the last few years coming to bite us on the arse I'm critical of her only because I would not even know if she had fallen off the planet because she is non existent , invisible all the time not what you need as a figurehead of a football club but that is just my opinion.
Not every club president has to be as prominent as Eddie, Kochie and Brayshaw. You'll rarely hear a bad word about Peggy, and for good reason. Incredibly well respected individual.
Not saying she has to be out there like King Eddie but we are a big club and it would be nice to know she is still alive maybe once ? and after that performance on the weekend there is no excuse for anyone at the club to sit back and be quiet it was deplorable , now is the time for voices to be heard
Spineless & gutless. There is no character in this lot. Disgraceful final quarter. How can you get outscored 45 to 6? Absolute joke. This club is going nowhere. Pathetic!
Quote from: BigMac_93 on August 14, 2016, 07:02:12 PM
Spineless & gutless. There is no character in this lot. Disgraceful final quarter. How can you get outscored 45 to 6? Absolute joke. This club is going nowhere. Pathetic!
Expect more of the same next year the coach allows players that won't get there hands dirty to play week after week , the same culprits will line up next week
Meh, I'd look at the positives.
Dominated one of the flag fancies for 3 quarters.
Lost, so secured a higher draft pick.
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
Meh, I'd look at the positives.
Dominated one of the flag fancies for 3 quarters.
Lost, so secured a higher draft pick.
Haha that's easy to say if you don't follow them :P
Quote from: shaker on August 14, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
Meh, I'd look at the positives.
Dominated one of the flag fancies for 3 quarters.
Lost, so secured a higher draft pick.
Haha that's easy to say if you don't follow them :P
Haha extremely true
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2016, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: shaker on August 14, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
Meh, I'd look at the positives.
Dominated one of the flag fancies for 3 quarters.
Lost, so secured a higher draft pick.
Haha that's easy to say if you don't follow them :P
Haha extremely true
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I'm with you Ele. I couldn't help but want to win late in the game but at 3 quarter time I said to my old man that It would be better for us to lose the game for the sake of our draft pick and the fact that winning games late in the season can cover cracks.
I saw plenty of positives out of the day against a flag contender and apart from the last quarter was really impressed, particularly from some of the kids
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 31, 2016, 07:36:16 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 31, 2016, 07:08:43 PM
How many flags for those 2 ?
I don't think your last 10 coaches have won a premiership but that is beside the point. Just because a coach has won a premiership at 1 club it doesn't mean they will replicate the success again.
Our most successful coach since Parkin was Brett Ratten, we have had two 'master coaches' in Pagan and Malthouse in that time and they did nothing but set the club back 5 years each. In recent memory the only coach in the last decade to win a premiership at another club is Malthouse and look how his tenure at Carlton ended. I think you guys let Hardwick start next season as coach and if it looks like no progress is made you go a different route. I'm not comparing you guys to the Geelong team in 07 because they were infinitely more talented, but Bomber was in the gun heading into 07 after missing finals 06 and then losing to North at home 5 or 6 weeks in to the season. They let him coach it out and it eventuated in a dynasty.
Lol, Tad Harsh on Pagan there buddy. Like to see any AfL coach build a team outta rubble with NO draft picks because of your salary cap cheating.Carlton was cooked before he even walked in the door.
On SEN today they said Cloke had played possibly his last game for Collingwood and that the Tigers are the team where he'll end up. Oh, please tell me it's true, there is a God.
Quote from: frenzy on August 15, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
On SEN today they said Cloke had played possibly his last game for Collingwood and that the Tigers are the team where he'll end up. Oh, please tell me it's true, there is a God.
I pray this is not true if it is that just reinforces that the people running this club have no idea what they are doing , first Yarran and now a 30 year old spud like Cloke would be a disaster I am hoping it is just media rubbish if not it is time for the influential famlies that have been talked about lately to make a move and take control
Quote from: shaker on August 16, 2016, 09:39:52 AM
Quote from: frenzy on August 15, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
On SEN today they said Cloke had played possibly his last game for Collingwood and that the Tigers are the team where he'll end up. Oh, please tell me it's true, there is a God.
I pray this is not true if it is that just reinforces that the people running this club have no idea what they are doing , first Yarran and now a 30 year old spud like Cloke would be a disaster I am hoping it is just media rubbish if not it is time for the influential famlies that have been talked about lately to make a move and take control
More paper talk is going to the Bulldogs.
Good to see Prestia nominate the Tiges as his club of choice hope we don't flower it up , will our 1st rounder get him or will we have to sweeten the deal ?
maybe your 1st and your 2nd? I don't really know I'm not the best with trades :P
although I think Damo said the PSD is a threat so Gold Coast might just accept your 1st
Our first would be enough, but I reckon we'll try and get our hands on a later first rounder
Quote from: JROO8 on August 19, 2016, 02:18:15 PM
Our first would be enough, but I reckon we'll try and get our hands on a later first rounder
Yep, my thoughts too.
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on August 19, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
maybe your 1st and your 2nd? I don't really know I'm not the best with trades :P
Can't and won't happen. 2nd already got traded as part of the Yarran deal last year.
Quote from: Nige on August 19, 2016, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on August 19, 2016, 02:18:15 PM
Our first would be enough, but I reckon we'll try and get our hands on a later first rounder
Yep, my thoughts too.
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on August 19, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
maybe your 1st and your 2nd? I don't really know I'm not the best with trades :P
Can't and won't happen. 2nd already got traded as part of the Yarran deal last year.
Please don't keep reminding me of the Yarran deal :-[
Will be interesting but you currently have pick 6 and Prestia was initially drafted at pick 9 so maybe pick 6 will get it done. Suspect Suns will be chasing pick 6 as they will need a few stockpiled for their acadamy especially Bowes who should go first 4.
Quote from: shaker on August 19, 2016, 01:43:39 PM
Good to see Prestia nominate the Tiges as his club of choice hope we don't flower it up , will our 1st rounder get him or will we have to sweeten the deal ?
Should be the first trade done when the period opens. :o
Quote from: frenzy on August 15, 2016, 07:21:29 PM
Lol, Tad Harsh on Pagan there buddy. Like to see any AfL coach build a team outta rubble with NO draft picks because of your salary cap cheating.Carlton was cooked before he even walked in the door.
He was a dinosaur that was past it. If we take the loss of picks into account in year 1, it was the Goddard/Wells picks which hurt, we still offloaded our 2nd round pick for Barnaby French and actually came away with some handy players in Simmo and Fisher late in the draft. That year the rookie draft was actually quite strong as well so the recruiting there probably did him no favours there. The following season we scored a priority pick (Walker ) and traded out a bunch of our other picks and players for guys like David Clarke, Digby Morell, Daniel Harford and Cory McGrath. Who did we draft? Guys like Glen Bowyer, Jordan Bannister and Ricky Mott. We were also gifted Nick Stevens in the pre-season draft so that actually made up for not being able to draft Farren Ray....
Our recruiting was horrible (Troy Longmuir, Callum Chambers and Dylan McLaren to name a few more) but his outdated game plan magnified that.
He and Mick were not all that different, proof is when he brings in old mate Mick Martyn so he could get to 300.
Corey McKernan won a B&F and leaves a year later because he somehow got stuck with Pagan again. We actually sacked him for Barry Mitchell before we had to back out since we couldn't afford to pay out his contract. I can keep going really.
Dyril got the rising star nom for R22!
Quote from: Nige on August 22, 2016, 11:22:11 PM
Dyril got the rising star nom for R22!
good on him, well deserved. he was about the only good thing about the game (well I was happy with Acres, Billings and Ross but you know what I mean)
not a fan of the nickname though :P
On talking footy last night Vickery to Hawks almost a done deal and more of a worry is whispers Jroo wants out , hope that is not true
Quote from: Mat0369 on August 22, 2016, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: frenzy on August 15, 2016, 07:21:29 PM
Lol, Tad Harsh on Pagan there buddy. Like to see any AfL coach build a team outta rubble with NO draft picks because of your salary cap cheating.Carlton was cooked before he even walked in the door.
He was a dinosaur that was past it. If we take the loss of picks into account in year 1, it was the Goddard/Wells picks which hurt, we still offloaded our 2nd round pick for Barnaby French and actually came away with some handy players in Simmo and Fisher late in the draft. That year the rookie draft was actually quite strong as well so the recruiting there probably did him no favours there. The following season we scored a priority pick (Walker ) and traded out a bunch of our other picks and players for guys like David Clarke, Digby Morell, Daniel Harford and Cory McGrath. Who did we draft? Guys like Glen Bowyer, Jordan Bannister and Ricky Mott. We were also gifted Nick Stevens in the pre-season draft so that actually made up for not being able to draft Farren Ray....
Our recruiting was horrible (Troy Longmuir, Callum Chambers and Dylan McLaren to name a few more) but his outdated game plan magnified that.
He and Mick were not all that different, proof is when he brings in old mate Mick Martyn so he could get to 300.
Corey McKernan won a B&F and leaves a year later because he somehow got stuck with Pagan again. We actually sacked him for Barry Mitchell before we had to back out since we couldn't afford to pay out his contract. I can keep going really.
Please do, actually enjoying this read. Tell me the bit about David Teague winning the B&F aswell.
Vickery at Hawthorn would be a sound fit, the only issue is you'd only get a 3rd Rounder at best.
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on August 22, 2016, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: Nige on August 22, 2016, 11:22:11 PM
Dyril got the rising star nom for R22!
good on him, well deserved. he was about the only good thing about the game (well I was happy with Acres, Billings and Ross but you know what I mean)
not a fan of the nickname though :P
Danioli as a nickname?