I was just genuinely curious about our team for next year so thought I'd have a look. As far as I see it, the following guys own their positions, leaving what I count as 8 spots for grabs:
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
FB: Baguley Hooker ______1
HB: Hibberd Hurley ______2
C: Goddard Watson Colyer
HF: ______3 Carlisle ZMerrett
FF: ______4 Daniher ______5
Fol: _______6 Heppell Stanton
Bench: Hocking Myers Zaharakis ______7
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My thoughts are as such:
1. We NEED a third tall desperately! Pears and Steinberg don't seem like filling Fletch's spot, and Gwilt is no superstar.
2. A running half back who can also defend. Currently Dempsey/Gleeson. Would like to see a Dalgleish/Aylett/Ashby/Browne seriously press for regular games there.
3. A half forward who can push into the midfield (Chappy's old spot?). Hopefully Laverde or Langford.
4. A decent small forward who chases and harrasses. A fit Kommer would slot in nicely. Would like to see Fantasia and Hams press, but neither are the small chasing forward type.
5. A third tall (Ambrose) or a back-up ruckman (McKernan). Both just need to find that extra 5-10%.
6. Bellchambers? Giles? Any ruckman who isn't a spud?
7. Cooney sure as hell won't be playing reserves.
Players who I haven't named: would like to see Edwards take the step up, seems a classy livewire type. Howlett and Melksham have been far from our worst performers, but I'd love to see Kavanagh, JMerrett or O'Brien overtake them.
Winderlich won't be around, and hopefully we'll have a nice new draftee or two that can put some pressure on spots. What's this about a rebuild? If a few of these not-quite-22 players can finally step up we'll have quite a tidy (and much younger) list.
<this age bracket> We need 6-8 of these guys playing every game for the rest of the year.
Browne, Alex 22yr 10mth
Steinberg, Ariel (R) 22yr 10mth
Merrett, Jackson 22yr 4mth
Kavanagh, Elliott 22yr 1mth
Dalgleish, Lauchlan 22yr
O'Brien, Nicholas 22yr
Edwards, Shaun 21yr 6mth
Ashby, Jason 21yr 1mth
Hams, Will 20yr 11mth
Gleeson, Martin 20yr 10mth
Don't play Dempsey or Gwilt. Whether you get rid of them depends on how many spots we need at the end of the year.
Jackson Merrett, Marty Gleeson, Ashby are all a bee's dick off our best 22.
Kav and O'Brien are probably getting close to their final season, now is the time with Watson out. They just need to take that last little step and play like they do in the twos. PLAY BROWNE NOW! before he flowerin injures himself again.
Fantasia and McKenna = superstars in the making
Quote from: silloc on July 08, 2015, 12:55:42 PM
<this age bracket> We need 6-8 of these guys playing every game for the rest of the year.
Browne, Alex 22yr 10mth
Steinberg, Ariel (R) 22yr 10mth
Merrett, Jackson 22yr 4mth
Kavanagh, Elliott 22yr 1mth
Dalgleish, Lauchlan 22yr
O'Brien, Nicholas 22yr
Edwards, Shaun 21yr 6mth
Ashby, Jason 21yr 1mth
Hams, Will 20yr 11mth
Gleeson, Martin 20yr 10mth
Don't play Dempsey or Gwilt. Whether you get rid of them depends on how many spots we need at the end of the year.
Jackson Merrett, Marty Gleeson, Ashby are all a bee's dick off our best 22.
Kav and O'Brien are probably getting close to their final season, now is the time with Watson out. They just need to take that last little step and play like they do in the twos. PLAY BROWNE NOW! before he flowerin injures himself again.
Fantasia and McKenna = superstars in the making
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hahahahaha
b*stard is barbie too. don't get that one :P
Out: Cooney, Gwilt, Dempsy, Watson.
In: Browne, Pears, Kommer, Hocking.
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on July 08, 2015, 01:00:09 PM
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b*stard is barbie too. don't get that one :P
I'll remember that, barbie cow flower shower ...
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b*stard is barbie too. don't get that one :P
I'll remember that, barbie cow flower shower ...
White Goodman ;)
After today's efforts, I think Steinberg is more than adequate to be that third tall in defence. Very good play by him today
No point having Carlisle on your list. The man doesn't even look like he's enjoying it out there.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on July 11, 2015, 10:38:33 PM
No point having Carlisle on your list. The man doesn't even look like he's enjoying it out there.
Pretty hard to enjoy being out there when you're not actually out there
Quote from: Southstorm on July 11, 2015, 08:59:34 PM
After today's efforts, I think Steinberg is more than adequate to be that third tall in defence. Very good play by him today
he needs more AFL time, he had a few nervous disposals
I think Gleeson definitely can hold down that HBF spot, once he adds a few kegs to his body he'll be very good. Has very good composure down back and seems to usually be a part of scoring chains, whenever we actually get the chance to get one together
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 13, 2015, 11:06:41 AM
I think Gleeson definitely can hold down that HBF spot, once he adds a few kegs to his body he'll be very good. Has very good composure down back and seems to usually be a part of scoring chains, whenever we actually get the chance to get one together
agreed, I love watching him cut through traffic.
Interested to see if Leuy is available somehow this off season... Don't know if he'll even consider us though
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 13, 2015, 07:49:49 PM
Interested to see if Leuy is available somehow this off season... Don't know if he'll even consider us though
Leuy??
Leuenberger
Really? When played a sole ruck and he isn't injured he's up there with the best in the competition I think. I wish Leppa would just make Martin play as a midfield or put him down forward and let Leuy play sole ruck.
I'd imagine he'd want to head off to a team competing for a premiership if he does leave rather than a team living at the bottom of the ladder.
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2015, 07:26:14 PM
Really? When played a sole ruck and he isn't injured he's up there with the best in the competition I think. I wish Leppa would just make Martin play as a midfield or put him down forward and let Leuy play sole ruck.
I'd imagine he'd want to head off to a team competing for a premiership if he does leave rather than a team living at the bottom of the ladder.
yeah but Smith is younger and we're rebuilding it seems
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 14, 2015, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on July 14, 2015, 07:26:14 PM
Really? When played a sole ruck and he isn't injured he's up there with the best in the competition I think. I wish Leppa would just make Martin play as a midfield or put him down forward and let Leuy play sole ruck.
I'd imagine he'd want to head off to a team competing for a premiership if he does leave rather than a team living at the bottom of the ladder.
yeah but Smith is younger and we're rebuilding it seems
I guess you're right there.
Yeah Leuenberger is way too old, we get him next year he'll be 28...
Yeah was just thinking in terms of availability, plus he's in the same sort of age range as Giles (RIP)
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 15, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
Yeah was just thinking in terms of availability, plus he's in the same sort of age range as Giles (RIP)
I'd prefer to persist with bellend and Giles, and get a young kid to develop. Unless we can snag a superstar... which I doubt.
I'd love to get Mitch brown playing some footy at essendon also.
Quote from: silloc on July 16, 2015, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 15, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
Yeah was just thinking in terms of availability, plus he's in the same sort of age range as Giles (RIP)
I'd prefer to persist with bellend and Giles, and get a young kid to develop. Unless we can snag a superstar... which I doubt.
I'd love to get Mitch brown playing some footy at essendon also.
Smith's pretty young in ruck years
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on July 16, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: silloc on July 16, 2015, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 15, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
Yeah was just thinking in terms of availability, plus he's in the same sort of age range as Giles (RIP)
I'd prefer to persist with bellend and Giles, and get a young kid to develop. Unless we can snag a superstar... which I doubt.
I'd love to get Mitch brown playing some footy at essendon also.
Smith's pretty young in ruck years
Maybe, he'll be 26 next year. As long as we're not paying out the nose for him, create healthy competition.
There's really no under 23 rucks out there that are ready made for AFL level and available I reckon.
Either get a Zac Smith/Lycett type who is probably decent but not elite or just draft a kid over 200cm and get him to develop for 3+ years and hope he comes good. Like for all the talk to get McKernan to play, hes still undersized for a ruck at 196.
Sam grimly? another fwrd/ruck to tandem with McKiernan? or do we want a pure ruckman
Also worth noteing Tagliabue plays for us again this weekend, we've looked at drafting him in the past
Quote from: silloc on July 08, 2015, 12:58:19 PM
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I'll get onto it when I remember :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on July 17, 2015, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: silloc on July 08, 2015, 12:58:19 PM
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I'll get onto it when I remember :P.
whilst your at it
Dyson Heppel -> lord our savior
Jobe Watson -> Sexiest man alive
Bellchambers -> Mr.allergic-to-good-form
Paddy Ryder -> TRAITOR!!! HEATHEN!!!
every essendon payer --> lance armstrong ?
Quote from: Ziplock on July 17, 2015, 05:42:01 PM
every essendon payer --> lance armstrong ?
find something better to do
Steinberg again did very well which vindicates the effort we've put into developing him. Hoping the tall defenders of 2016 include Hurley, Hooker and Steinberg with Bags and Hibberd to boot.
Pears has done well forward in the VFL. Is he contracted for 2016?
Giles played well in vfl today apparently expecting him to play next week
McKernan may also play still though
Giles named as best for the Bombers VFL team
Hope him and McKernan can form at least an average ruck tandem for the Port game with Giles being the primary ruckman
yeah Giles picked a good time to get BOG in the VFL, just when we would have played him regardless. I wonder what he was doing (not doing) to not get a game in the first place.
Dunno if you guys know but I heard bellchambers on the radio, he cracked his fibula round 2 against Sydney and was playing with that for a while effecting his ability to train and play.
That's interesting, means he thought he was right enough to play another 8 games when he probably wasn't given his potential
Probably was itching to get on the park after missing a tonne of games the past few years.
Luenberger. I was thinking the same now Stef Martin is Rank #1 at Brisbane.
Anyone know if Callum Sinclair is happy at WC? Also If you look at GWS as a Carlisle trade target, They have a lot of talent they won't keep. You could get a really decent midfielder AND a young ruck in that deal.
If you have our 2 All Australians marshalling the backline (Hurls and Hooker), with Hibbo and Bags. Having Steinberg and Gleeson stay down there is fine. Gleeson has the skills, and I believe Stienberg has raw talent. He came from Gridiron when he was 16 ffs and is on the verge of a perm spot in our 22. Don't underrate Pears either. He was back to his best on the weekend in the VFL. Keep playing our kids. All the way.
i'd rather try and get Z Smith and Dixon package for Carlisle
Carlisle + 1st pick
for
Z Smith, Dixon and Bennell
cheers
Bennell did the wrong kind of drugs I think KB :P
Quote from: nrich102 on July 20, 2015, 09:47:52 PM
Bennell did the wrong kind of drugs I think KB :P
ORIGINAL.....
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 20, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
i'd rather try and get Z Smith and Dixon package for Carlisle
Carlisle + 1st pick
for
Z Smith, Dixon and Bennell
cheers
A little bit too hopeful I reckon :P
Quote from: Big Mac on July 21, 2015, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 20, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
i'd rather try and get Z Smith and Dixon package for Carlisle
Carlisle + 1st pick
for
Z Smith, Dixon and Bennell
cheers
A little bit too hopeful I reckon :P
I'd want to keep that 1st round pick
fyfe for Carlisle ;D
FYI if we don't get ben cavara this year around I will be soooooo angry. We need a quick classy midfielder who can get us more colyer-esk clearences
No Idea why you guys dont go hard for Daniel Currie. He is only 26 and will get no game time behind the best ruck in the game.
The one game he played sole ruck last year when Goldy was rested he went 36 hitouts 6 tackles and a goal. He doesnt find the ball at all but the guy can ruck.
Quote from: silloc on July 21, 2015, 11:26:13 AM
FYI if we don't get ben cavara this year around I will be soooooo angry. We need a quick classy midfielder who can get us more colyer-esk clearences
I'm already sold
Quote from: Holz on July 21, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
No Idea why you guys dont go hard for Daniel Currie. He is only 26 and will get no game time behind the best ruck in the game.
The one game he played sole ruck last year when Goldy was rested he went 36 hitouts 6 tackles and a goal. He doesnt find the ball at all but the guy can ruck.
Yeah another who is starved of opportunities, might be the go. But I'd prefer to persist with Giles and Bell-end, with mckernan and maybe a sam grimly? and also get somebody to develop like the young Sudanese ruckman, Gash Nyuoen*
*may have butchered the spelling
Quote from: silloc on July 21, 2015, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Holz on July 21, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
No Idea why you guys dont go hard for Daniel Currie. He is only 26 and will get no game time behind the best ruck in the game.
The one game he played sole ruck last year when Goldy was rested he went 36 hitouts 6 tackles and a goal. He doesnt find the ball at all but the guy can ruck.
Yeah another who is starved of opportunities, might be the go. But I'd prefer to persist with Giles and Bell-end, with mckernan and maybe a sam grimly? and also get somebody to develop like the young Sudanese ruckman, Gash Nyuoen*
*may have butchered the spelling
Would rather stick with Giles and McKernan for now, a fourth ruckman who needs opportunity could make the situation worse. Aquiring a developmental ruckman is probably the best option long term though
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 21, 2015, 12:03:13 PM
Quote from: silloc on July 21, 2015, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Holz on July 21, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
No Idea why you guys dont go hard for Daniel Currie. He is only 26 and will get no game time behind the best ruck in the game.
The one game he played sole ruck last year when Goldy was rested he went 36 hitouts 6 tackles and a goal. He doesnt find the ball at all but the guy can ruck.
Yeah another who is starved of opportunities, might be the go. But I'd prefer to persist with Giles and Bell-end, with mckernan and maybe a sam grimly? and also get somebody to develop like the young Sudanese ruckman, Gash Nyuoen*
*may have butchered the spelling
Would rather stick with Giles and McKernan for now, a fourth ruckman who needs opportunity could make the situation worse. Aquiring a developmental ruckman is probably the best option long term though
Still need a long term project one I think
giles is a good ruckman, dunno why you haven't been playing him.
Quote from: Ziplock on July 21, 2015, 12:28:21 PM
giles is a good ruckman, dunno why you haven't been playing him.
Because he wasn't competing enough around the ground or play the way we wanted, but he had his best game last week so he'd be a certainty next game
Will be interesting to see how big the cleanout will be at the dons. In NRL Manly have already told 14 players to look else where next year for a game. This is after losing a couple of players to other clubs as well
Quote from: Capper on July 22, 2015, 03:37:26 PM
Will be interesting to see how big the cleanout will be at the dons. In NRL Manly have already told 14 players to look else where next year for a game. This is after losing a couple of players to other clubs as well
Can't imagine it'd be too much, with the shallow draft and a few seniors set to hang up the boots.
Upgrade; Steinberg, McKernan.
Retire; Lika, Fletch, Chap
Delist; Dempsy, Kav, Hams, (hams to the rookie list, needs development but keeps getting injured)
Trade; Pears??
Stanton and Carlisle are out of contract too
Would probably want to trade Stants if he was under contract but can't since he's out of contract
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 23, 2015, 10:56:41 AM
Stanton and Carlisle are out of contract too
Would probably want to trade Stants if he was under contract but can't since he's out of contract
Stant's wont leave, I wont let him. But Carlisle 50/50 though I don't see him leaving Victoria, Bulldogs would need to make a big play.
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 23, 2015, 10:56:41 AM
Stanton and Carlisle are out of contract too
Would probably want to trade Stants if he was under contract but can't since he's out of contract
pretty sure you can still trade if they're out of contract?
Quote from: Ziplock on July 23, 2015, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 23, 2015, 10:56:41 AM
Stanton and Carlisle are out of contract too
Would probably want to trade Stants if he was under contract but can't since he's out of contract
pretty sure you can still trade if they're out of contract?
Quote from: Big Mac on July 23, 2015, 05:21:25 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on July 23, 2015, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 23, 2015, 10:56:41 AM
Stanton and Carlisle are out of contract too
Would probably want to trade Stants if he was under contract but can't since he's out of contract
pretty sure you can still trade if they're out of contract
Quote from: silloc on July 22, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on July 21, 2015, 12:28:21 PM
giles is a good ruckman, dunno why you haven't been playing him.
Because he wasn't competing enough around the ground or play the way we wanted, but he had his best game last week so he'd be a certainty next game
*cough*
giles is good as a ruckman, and can go up forward as well to a reasonable effect. McKernan is going to get slaughtered against Lobbe/ Ryder
and frankly nobody at essendon has been competing enough in general, and the way you're playing your game clearly isn't working, so those are pretty average excuses :P
I'm assuming when your rucks get destroyed again giles will probably be in.
Quote from: Ziplock on July 23, 2015, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: silloc on July 22, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on July 21, 2015, 12:28:21 PM
giles is a good ruckman, dunno why you haven't been playing him.
Because he wasn't competing enough around the ground or play the way we wanted, but he had his best game last week so he'd be a certainty next game
*cough*
giles is good as a ruckman, and can go up forward as well to a reasonable effect. McKernan is going to get slaughtered against Lobbe/ Ryder
and frankly nobody at essendon has been competing enough in general, and the way you're playing your game clearly isn't working, so those are pretty average excuses :P
I'm assuming when your rucks get destroyed again giles will probably be in.
I'm just telling you what the coaches say
*but there is probably more to it than that
Quote from: Ziplock on July 23, 2015, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: silloc on July 22, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on July 21, 2015, 12:28:21 PM
giles is a good ruckman, dunno why you haven't been playing him.
Because he wasn't competing enough around the ground or play the way we wanted, but he had his best game last week so he'd be a certainty next game
*cough*
giles is good as a ruckman, and can go up forward as well to a reasonable effect. McKernan is going to get slaughtered against Lobbe/ Ryder
and frankly nobody at essendon has been competing enough in general, and the way you're playing your game clearly isn't working, so those are pretty average excuses :P
I'm assuming when your rucks get destroyed again giles will probably be in.
Its got to the point that shouldn't we look into tanking?
they arguably could have won last week with giles and they will probably lose this week easy. I can't comprehend how they are choosing to go in with no ruck. They might as well drop Mckernan pick up another mid and try and rove the opponent ruck with 4 mids to 3.
that would be an interesting strat, but we kind of try it with Ambrose he "contests" the ruck then just tackles people. He is only 185cm.
Quote from: silloc on July 24, 2015, 11:47:24 AM
that would be an interesting strat, but we kind of try it with Ambrose he "contests" the ruck then just tackles people. He is only 185cm.
Hird seems to legitimately think he can pinch hit in the ruck along with Daniher, who gets outmuscled every time
Giles has been terrible in the VFL. Hasn't even been winning the hit outs against VFL standard rucks
The last time he was named in the bests before last week was round 6
And in the game prior to last week Giles only had something like 3 effective disposals, 0 marks and lost the hitouts
Really doesn't matter it's not working for them now so you would think trying Giles in the ruck isn't going to harm them.
Honestly was a waste of time getting him in as ruck backup if you're not going to use him.
Yeah, you'd think there's no harm at least giving him one game considering the way things are going.
O'Brien impressive, looking like building into something. And with Browne getting gametime, it puts some serious pressure on Kav to keep his spot on the list. Demspey played a big role (4 goals) in the VFL comeback from 42 points down. We know how good he can be at his best so I'm sure we'll stick with him.
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on July 26, 2015, 11:54:55 PM
O'Brien impressive, looking like building into something. And with Browne getting gametime, it puts some serious pressure on Kav to keep his spot on the list. Demspey played a big role (4 goals) in the VFL comeback from 42 points down. We know how good he can be at his best so I'm sure we'll stick with him.
Always rated Obrien, good to see him finally getting a decent go. Improving every week.
Really thought guys like O'Brien, Browne and Laverde were all really good on the weekend, they should be great for you guys in the long term.
Can't wait for the 2016 season already, both SC and the Bombers! :P
It's been a terrible season, but I think there's so much room for improvement, I can't see why we couldn't make finals:
Defence - Ariel to develop into a Fletch replacement. An in-form Demspey or a naturally improved Gleeson off the HBF.
Mids - full fit years from the following: Hocking, Myers, Zaharakis, Colyer, Watson. A lot of quality midfield games lost there. A full year from ZMerrett and O'Brien in there too. Oh, and an in-form big man please, Belly!
Forwards - a fit an in form Carlisle who can kick straight. Plus the natural improvement from Daniher who also kicks straight. Edwards a real X-factor. Then just someone who can crumb the big men, and chase, and harrass. A fit Kommer, please.
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on July 28, 2015, 10:48:34 PM
Can't wait for the 2016 season already, both SC and the Bombers! :P
It's been a terrible season, but I think there's so much room for improvement, I can't see why we couldn't make finals:
Defence - Ariel to develop into a Fletch replacement. An in-form Demspey or a naturally improved Gleeson off the HBF.
Mids - full fit years from the following: Hocking, Myers, Zaharakis, Colyer, Watson. A lot of quality midfield games lost there. A full year from ZMerrett and O'Brien in there too. Oh, and an in-form big man please, Belly!
Forwards - a fit an in form Carlisle who can kick straight. Plus the natural improvement from Daniher who also kicks straight. Edwards a real X-factor. Then just someone who can crumb the big men, and chase, and harrass. A fit Kommer, please.
Carlisle will play down back if hooker keeps his consistency up forward
We need to play pears, he is 25 191cm and a solid 92kg, great disposal and able to play on talls and smalls. But we've also got Steinberg, Aylett, Gwilt, not to mention hooker/hurley/Carlisle. We play pears for the rest of 2015 to get his currency up then put him on the draft table.
And when Hooker experiences a quiet patch, "put him back in defence, where he belongs, and put Carlisle back forward!" as people did with Carlisle's quiet patch and Hurley's ability to go back to FF? Hooker has great hands, so does Jake!
Hooker's an AA defender. Sure, he can take plenty of marks, but in defence, he can chip it to Hibberd/Hurley etc to attack. What about when he marks 60m out and doesn't have these outlets that have been closed up closer to goal? He can't hit a target like a Roughy/Riewoldt/Buddy can.
And when he starts getting double teamed? He can outmark 2 forwards going for the ball, but two defenders trying to spoil is a different matter.
He's been great at filling in and providing a marking option, I'm just not sure it's the best long-term.
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on July 30, 2015, 05:30:46 PM
And when Hooker experiences a quiet patch, "put him back in defence, where he belongs, and put Carlisle back forward!" as people did with Carlisle's quiet patch and Hurley's ability to go back to FF? Hooker has great hands, so does Jake!
Hooker's an AA defender. Sure, he can take plenty of marks, but in defence, he can chip it to Hibberd/Hurley etc to attack. What about when he marks 60m out and doesn't have these outlets that have been closed up closer to goal? He can't hit a target like a Roughy/Riewoldt/Buddy can.
And when he starts getting double teamed? He can outmark 2 forwards going for the ball, but two defenders trying to spoil is a different matter.
He's been great at filling in and providing a marking option, I'm just not sure it's the best long-term.
Problem I find is that these guys have a harder time playing themselves into form in the forward line. Especially when they've had interrupted season/preseasons. I think it's reasonable to play them into form in their natural position then swing them forward.
pretty cool that nearly all our young KPP players can go either end and Hooker
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 02:38:30 PM
pretty cool that nearly all our young KPP players can go either end and Hooker
All of them are best as defenders, kind of a waste to not play a guy at their best position
Hurley Burley Late out
Pears IN
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2015-07-31/key-bomber-to-miss
Looks like i'll get my wish
Quote from: silloc on July 31, 2015, 03:03:42 PM
Hurley Burley Late out
Pears IN
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2015-07-31/key-bomber-to-miss
Looks like i'll get my wish
Surely on extended bench
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on July 31, 2015, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: silloc on July 31, 2015, 03:03:42 PM
Hurley Burley Late out
Pears IN
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2015-07-31/key-bomber-to-miss
Looks like i'll get my wish
Surely on extended bench
Better flowerin not be
Also did you guys hear Reidy say Fletch has made massive improvement. Really hope he plays a final farewell game
Pears emergency!
Yeah for sure hoping Fletch gets the chance to play one last home game as a farewell, want a great send off for the champ
Quote from: silloc on July 31, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on July 30, 2015, 05:30:46 PM
And when Hooker experiences a quiet patch, "put him back in defence, where he belongs, and put Carlisle back forward!" as people did with Carlisle's quiet patch and Hurley's ability to go back to FF? Hooker has great hands, so does Jake!
Hooker's an AA defender. Sure, he can take plenty of marks, but in defence, he can chip it to Hibberd/Hurley etc to attack. What about when he marks 60m out and doesn't have these outlets that have been closed up closer to goal? He can't hit a target like a Roughy/Riewoldt/Buddy can.
And when he starts getting double teamed? He can outmark 2 forwards going for the ball, but two defenders trying to spoil is a different matter.
He's been great at filling in and providing a marking option, I'm just not sure it's the best long-term.
Problem I find is that these guys have a harder time playing themselves into form in the forward line. Especially when they've had interrupted season/preseasons. I think it's reasonable to play them into form in their natural position then swing them forward.
Yeah fair call - let him play in defence and not have to worry about leading patterns, game plans etc., just follow his man around and let the footy come to him, and only worry about marking it. I guess that's why Hooker has been so effective as a marking target - he just has so much confidence in his ability to mark the ball, and he's been taking grabs/bringing it to ground when completely out of position/third man deep etc.
But I feel Carlisle is still a long term forward. He was a jet as a junior and an exceptional kick at goal early in his career, too.
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
Go home, you're drunk. No way would anyone give up a top 5 draft pick for those two. Plus we're after midfielders not key position.
Darcy Parish here we come
Was at the game yesterday and they just have no run, So may times Gwilt was at FB and couldn't do anything but kick a nothing kick to the wing. Bombers need some outside class in the mold of an Isaac Smith or a Brandon Ellis, as well as some presence in the half forward line.
In general I think the underlying problem is that they have no speed or dare right now, Colyer was really it for the most of the season
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on August 03, 2015, 02:31:03 PM
Was at the game yesterday and they just have no run, So may times Gwilt was at FB and couldn't do anything but kick a nothing kick to the wing. Bombers need some outside class in the mold of an Isaac Smith or a Brandon Ellis, as well as some presence in the half forward line.
In general I think the underlying problem is that they have no speed or dare right now, Colyer was really it for the most of the season
100% agree, confidence = shot. You look at them coming out of defense compared to them, polar opposites.
But it's not just that, our ball winning and tackling was poor. Skills seem fine imo, like they're hitting targets (even though the targets are limited) and slick enough with ball in hand.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
Quote from: Southstorm on August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
I do agree with that logic, but I don't think the personnel is the issue here. We could bring the same list in next year with a fresh preseason and mindset. I believe that all we really need is children
Quote from: silloc on August 03, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
I do agree with that logic, but I don't think the personnel is the issue here. We could bring the same list in next year with a fresh preseason and mindset. I believe that all we really need is children
We'd definitely do better next season especially if the WADA saga finally finishes, but I don't have faith in Hooker or Carlisle being a permanent forward line option. They've shown glimpses a couple of times but they both struggle with marking as a forward and both of them struggle with kicking set shots. If we're serious about restocking the list, we might as well address that issue while we have the chance. Especially since neither of them seem to enjoy playing forward.
What are the chances of snaring Darcy Parish? If we suck hard enough, do you think we can slip down to 16th which should be enough to take him?
Quote from: Southstorm on August 05, 2015, 05:43:23 PM
What are the chances of snaring Darcy Parish? If we suck hard enough, do you think we can slip down to 16th which should be enough to take him?
It depends who the suns want, but you'd imagine Carlton and Lions will be after key position. I think we're destined to finish 15th-13th. I'd like an in and under tough nut to go hand in hand with merret, so parish might not be the go anyway. tbh I'm happy with a top five pick
Quote from: silloc on August 03, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
I do agree with that logic, but I don't think the personnel is the issue here. We could bring the same list in next year with a fresh preseason and mindset. I believe that all we really need is children
A competent coach would be a real bonus too. No clue how he stilll has his job. the off field issues are bad enough, but he cant coach on field.
Quote from: Holz on August 06, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 03, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
I do agree with that logic, but I don't think the personnel is the issue here. We could bring the same list in next year with a fresh preseason and mindset. I believe that all we really need is children
A competent coach would be a real bonus too. No clue how he stilll has his job. the off field issues are bad enough, but he cant coach on field.
He has proven he can coach in previous seasons, I doubt he knows how to inspire his players though.
Quote from: silloc on August 06, 2015, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 06, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 03, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
I do agree with that logic, but I don't think the personnel is the issue here. We could bring the same list in next year with a fresh preseason and mindset. I believe that all we really need is children
A competent coach would be a real bonus too. No clue how he stilll has his job. the off field issues are bad enough, but he cant coach on field.
He has proven he can coach in previous seasons, I doubt he knows how to inspire his players though.
not really he took over a 7 win team and granted snuck into the 8 with a 11 win season the year after. Than missed the 8 with an 11 win season. Than they had that 14 win season which was there best under Hird.
Under bomber thompson they finished 7th with a 12.5 win season.
now they are shocking this year. unless you want to say you have had a terrible list, he has done nothing. A 8th place finish is his best achievement in 4 years as a coach.
Quote from: Holz on August 06, 2015, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 06, 2015, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 06, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 03, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
I do agree with that logic, but I don't think the personnel is the issue here. We could bring the same list in next year with a fresh preseason and mindset. I believe that all we really need is children
A competent coach would be a real bonus too. No clue how he stilll has his job. the off field issues are bad enough, but he cant coach on field.
He has proven he can coach in previous seasons, I doubt he knows how to inspire his players though.
not really he took over a 7 win team and granted snuck into the 8 with a 11 win season the year after. Than missed the 8 with an 11 win season. Than they had that 14 win season which was there best under Hird.
Under bomber thompson they finished 7th with a 12.5 win season.
now they are shocking this year. unless you want to say you have had a terrible list, he has done nothing. A 8th place finish is his best achievement in 4 years as a coach.
I doubt you can call it 4 years worth of coaching, it's really hard to judge somebodies coaching abilities after the current set of circumstances. I've always been a strong believer in the fact that the club know 500 times more than the outsiders, so I'm happy what ever they decide.
Quote from: silloc on August 06, 2015, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 06, 2015, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 06, 2015, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 06, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 03, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 03, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
trade our first pick for Dixon and Z Smith then we can keep them all in defense
might have to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder but you get the idea
If we added Dixon then we could trade Carlisle for a first rounder and get a mid out of the draft. No point keeping all of Hooker, Hurley, Carlisle, Steinberg and Pears if we can get good currency for one of them in a trade.
I do agree with that logic, but I don't think the personnel is the issue here. We could bring the same list in next year with a fresh preseason and mindset. I believe that all we really need is children
A competent coach would be a real bonus too. No clue how he stilll has his job. the off field issues are bad enough, but he cant coach on field.
He has proven he can coach in previous seasons, I doubt he knows how to inspire his players though.
not really he took over a 7 win team and granted snuck into the 8 with a 11 win season the year after. Than missed the 8 with an 11 win season. Than they had that 14 win season which was there best under Hird.
Under bomber thompson they finished 7th with a 12.5 win season.
now they are shocking this year. unless you want to say you have had a terrible list, he has done nothing. A 8th place finish is his best achievement in 4 years as a coach.
I doubt you can call it 4 years worth of coaching, it's really hard to judge somebodies coaching abilities after the current set of circumstances. I've always been a strong believer in the fact that the club know 500 times more than the outsiders, so I'm happy what ever they decide.
you dont think if his name wasnt james hird he would be long gone?
my ideal situation
trade pick 4 for Z Smith and Dixon
the Hurley, Hooker and Carlisle can all stay in defense
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 06, 2015, 12:11:43 PM
my ideal situation
trade pick 4 for Z Smith and Dixon
the Hurley, Hooker and Carlisle can all stay in defense
great trade.
wont happen though, pick 4 isnt that good.
Wouldn't give up pick 4, especially with our lack of draft picks over the past 2 years. I don't want Dixon, we can develop our own. We'll get zsmith with a second round draft pick knowing our history.
Chapman, Goddard, Cooney, Gwilt, Fletcher, Dempsey. Tear up whatever contracts they have and tell them they are not playing in 2016 for Essendon. It's unfortunate for a bloke like Fletcher who has given his heart and soul to the club, but he's not going to be there for their next run up the ladder, and he's not playing a role that a younger player can't try to do. The others are just old and need to go.
Trade for a Ruckman (obviously). A proper ruckman, not Shaun McKernan ruckman. Matthew Leuenberger, Zac Smith type, an actual ruckman.
There are good kids there. Edwards, Laverde, Langford, NOB, Zach Merrett. These are the players that try their hearts out every single week just to make sure they get another shot the next week, meanwhile those players in the top line just need to be fit, regardless of their form, to get a game.
In the middle ages there's a good core group of players too: Heppell, Hibberd, Hooker, Carlisle, Zaharakis and Hurley. Hopefully they all stay but one might need to be trade bait for a good ruckman.
And finally you can't cull all the experience, so keep hold of Stanton and Watson.
Oh, and James Hird needs to go...
Quote from: PowerBug on August 15, 2015, 10:55:52 PM
Chapman, Goddard, Cooney, Gwilt, Fletcher, Dempsey. Tear up whatever contracts they have and tell them they are not playing in 2016 for Essendon. It's unfortunate for a bloke like Fletcher who has given his heart and soul to the club, but he's not going to be there for their next run up the ladder, and he's not playing a role that a younger player can't try to do. The others are just old and need to go.
Trade for a Ruckman (obviously). A proper ruckman, not Shaun McKernan ruckman. Matthew Leuenberger, Zac Smith type, an actual ruckman.
There are good kids there. Edwards, Laverde, Langford, NOB, Zach Merrett. These are the players that try their hearts out every single week just to make sure they get another shot the next week, meanwhile those players in the top line just need to be fit, regardless of their form, to get a game.
In the middle ages there's a good core group of players too: Heppell, Hibberd, Hooker, Carlisle, Zaharakis and Hurley. Hopefully they all stay but one might need to be trade bait for a good ruckman.
And finally you can't cull all the experience, so keep hold of Stanton and Watson.
Oh, and James Hird needs to go...
I agree on everything you said except Goddard, I think he has done enough to be there next year.
i kinda want Melksham and Dempsey gone also but could be ok depth
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 15, 2015, 11:52:35 PM
i kinda want Melksham and Dempsey gone also but could be ok depth
Did I miss Melksham? He's gotta go too.
Yeah maybe I was a bit harsh on Goddard. I don't really like him but I guess he hasn't been awful.
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
Quote from: Southstorm on August 17, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
you're being a bit harsh, I think our list management has been pretty good post-sheedy. You're forgetting the rookie talent we've scouted too; bags, hibo, bell-end, hocking, crameri.
Don't forget that 2010-2013 was picked apart by GWS & GCS, and -3 top end draft picks from last 2 drafts.
We're not going to get a superstar every year, but we're coming pretty close.
Look at our last clean-out year where we got heaps of kids in; Daniher (10), Gleeson (53), Ashby (34), Kommer (73). missed with Van Unen (51), Gregory (88), hardly top tier selections.
what we might need to look at doing is trying to secure a volume of earlier selections. try to get 5 picks in the top 40 or something.
BJ God not playing tomorrow.... flower the supercoach gods
Quote from: silloc on August 21, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
BJ God not playing tomorrow.... flower the supercoach gods
He is playing....
Also Heppell captain next year for the dons?
howlett stiff not to get a gig on that field, 26 yrs, been alright, leading our goal assists this year :P (not that, that they kicked that many goals)
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Quote from: silloc on August 21, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
BJ God not playing tomorrow.... flower the supercoach gods
He is playing....
Also Heppell captain next year for the dons?
no, jobe one more year I think. Then he can hand it over
just a thought
wonder if Paul Roos would be interested in doing what he has done at Melbourne for us make him head coach for a couple years with an apprentice to take over
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 25, 2015, 03:28:29 AM
just a thought
wonder if Paul Roos would be interested in doing what he has done at Melbourne for us make him head coach for a couple years with an apprentice to take over
If he wanted to keep coaching he would do it at the dees. He wouldnt want the stress of fixing this mess.
Quote from: silloc on August 20, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 17, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
you're being a bit harsh, I think our list management has been pretty good post-sheedy. You're forgetting the rookie talent we've scouted too; bags, hibo, bell-end, hocking, crameri.
Don't forget that 2010-2013 was picked apart by GWS & GCS, and -3 top end draft picks from last 2 drafts.
We're not going to get a superstar every year, but we're coming pretty close.
Like I said, I'm only talking about early draft picks.
We
might have been able to make the best of a bad situation and come away with some steals from the rookie draft and late in the main draft, but at the end of the day, you can't just piss away half of your most recent top draft picks and question what you're doing wrong. Do we scout wrong? Do we develop wrong? Should we listen to the Herald Sun more or not at all? We need to answer these questions.
Quote from: silloc on August 20, 2015, 10:54:48 AM
Look at our last clean-out year where we got heaps of kids in; Daniher (10), Gleeson (53), Ashby (34), Kommer (73). missed with Van Unen (51), Gregory (88), hardly top tier selections.
what we might need to look at doing is trying to secure a volume of earlier selections. try to get 5 picks in the top 40 or something.
I''d say we also missed with Ashby as well, but then again, 2012 was a pretty top-heavy year with not a whole lot afterwards.
Quote from: Southstorm on September 02, 2015, 01:45:59 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 20, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 17, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
you're being a bit harsh, I think our list management has been pretty good post-sheedy. You're forgetting the rookie talent we've scouted too; bags, hibo, bell-end, hocking, crameri.
Don't forget that 2010-2013 was picked apart by GWS & GCS, and -3 top end draft picks from last 2 drafts.
We're not going to get a superstar every year, but we're coming pretty close.
Like I said, I'm only talking about early draft picks.
We might have been able to make the best of a bad situation and come away with some steals from the rookie draft and late in the main draft, but at the end of the day, you can't just piss away half of your most recent top draft picks and question what you're doing wrong. Do we scout wrong? Do we develop wrong? Should we listen to the Herald Sun more or not at all? We need to answer these questions.
... what are you talking about, who are you referring to specifically, we've had more hits in the top 30 than misses. What do you want? and if you're talking about pre-2006, your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying we lacked midfield depth in the 90's. We've got the last 7 drafts right IMO, so the fact you're bringing it up as an issue NOW is stupid.
Quote from: silloc on September 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on September 02, 2015, 01:45:59 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 20, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 17, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
you're being a bit harsh, I think our list management has been pretty good post-sheedy. You're forgetting the rookie talent we've scouted too; bags, hibo, bell-end, hocking, crameri.
Don't forget that 2010-2013 was picked apart by GWS & GCS, and -3 top end draft picks from last 2 drafts.
We're not going to get a superstar every year, but we're coming pretty close.
Like I said, I'm only talking about early draft picks.
We might have been able to make the best of a bad situation and come away with some steals from the rookie draft and late in the main draft, but at the end of the day, you can't just piss away half of your most recent top draft picks and question what you're doing wrong. Do we scout wrong? Do we develop wrong? Should we listen to the Herald Sun more or not at all? We need to answer these questions.
... what are you talking about, who are you referring to specifically, we've had more hits in the top 30 than misses. What do you want? and if you're talking about pre-2006, your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying we lacked midfield depth in the 90's. We've got the last 7 drafts right IMO, so the fact you're bringing it up as an issue NOW is stupid.
Take out Daniher who was father son and take out Heppell and Z. Merrett who we drafted with a little insider information and who has been a hit for us?
In the last seven drafts, we've had the abysmal 2011 year and we've had 2009 where Melksham was taken in the top 10. Ashby nor Kavanagh are not looking likely to be in the best 22 for next season and Melksham is not the quality expected of a top 10 pick. Although before 2009 we were better. Not competition-leading, but better.
Quote from: Southstorm on September 06, 2015, 08:59:16 PM
Quote from: silloc on September 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on September 02, 2015, 01:45:59 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 20, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 17, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
you're being a bit harsh, I think our list management has been pretty good post-sheedy. You're forgetting the rookie talent we've scouted too; bags, hibo, bell-end, hocking, crameri.
Don't forget that 2010-2013 was picked apart by GWS & GCS, and -3 top end draft picks from last 2 drafts.
We're not going to get a superstar every year, but we're coming pretty close.
Like I said, I'm only talking about early draft picks.
We might have been able to make the best of a bad situation and come away with some steals from the rookie draft and late in the main draft, but at the end of the day, you can't just piss away half of your most recent top draft picks and question what you're doing wrong. Do we scout wrong? Do we develop wrong? Should we listen to the Herald Sun more or not at all? We need to answer these questions.
... what are you talking about, who are you referring to specifically, we've had more hits in the top 30 than misses. What do you want? and if you're talking about pre-2006, your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying we lacked midfield depth in the 90's. We've got the last 7 drafts right IMO, so the fact you're bringing it up as an issue NOW is stupid.
Take out Daniher who was father son and take out Heppell and Z. Merrett who we drafted with a little insider information and who has been a hit for us?
In the last seven drafts, we've had the abysmal 2011 year and we've had 2009 where Melksham was taken in the top 10. Ashby nor Kavanagh are not looking likely to be in the best 22 for next season and Melksham is not the quality expected of a top 10 pick. Although before 2009 we were better. Not competition-leading, but better.
Ashby was pick 34, that's not a top end draft pick.
Kav, if you take into account the mini-draft and GCS/GWS pre-selections over those years, you're looking more like a no.30 pick. And it's not like we're the exception to the rule that year. You go and look at the next 10 picks after kav, not really filled with gold.
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh Essendon 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 34
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 37
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman West Coast 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 15
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 37
1 26 Richmond Todd Elton Richmond 2
27 Priority Adelaide Sam Kerridge Adelaide 27
28 Priority West Coast Fraser McInnes West Coast 7
29 Priority Fremantle Alex Forster 1
Melksham has been disappointing, but the only genuine miss that I consider in the past 10 years. Still shows glimpses, maybe would do better in another team. But again, we weren't the only ones to miss around that area.
1 8 Port Adelaide John Butcher Port Adelaide 28
1 9 Port Adelaide Andrew Moore Port Adelaide 55
1 10 Essendon Jake Melksham Essendon 114
1 11 Melbourne Jordan Gysberts 19
1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas West Coast 42
why would you take out Heppell and Zerrett? half the challenge of drafting is getting inside info
What was the inside info and where did it come from? Fill me in!
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
What was the inside info and where did it come from? Fill me in!
you're kidding right? Jackson Merrett was at the club already so we had all the info we wanted on Zach
and i think Heppell everyone thought had a injury
Everyone knew Heppel had an injury? Thats not inside info....
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
What was the inside info and where did it come from? Fill me in!
you're kidding right? Jackson Merrett was at the club already so we had all the info we wanted on Zach
and i think Heppell everyone thought had a injury
Nope, I genuinely didn't know because I dont follow the draft (or Essendon) closely at all. Thanks so much for imparting some of your unbelievable wisdom and apparent antagonism on me oh wise one!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
why would you take out Heppell and Zerrett? half the challenge of drafting is getting inside info
mother of all insider-info = Fantasia, everyone at the time was like wtf who is that. Just happens to be a kid who played under the coach we just hired.
The challenge of draft time isn't with your top tier selections it's your ability to get gems with later picks.
FYI, your brother at the club is not inside information because of bias. What do expect him to say about his brother "Nah he's shower".
Quote from: silloc on September 07, 2015, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
why would you take out Heppell and Zerrett? half the challenge of drafting is getting inside info
mother of all insider-info = Fantasia, everyone at the time was like wtf who is that. Just happens to be a kid who played under the coach we just hired.
The challenge of draft time isn't with your top tier selections it's your ability to get gems with later picks.
FYI, your brother at the club is not inside information because of bias. What do expect him to say about his brother "Nah he's shower".
hey man they wernt my words southstorm said it i was just trying to explain why
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
What was the inside info and where did it come from? Fill me in!
you're kidding right? Jackson Merrett was at the club already so we had all the info we wanted on Zach
and i think Heppell everyone thought had a injury
Nope, I genuinely didn't know because I dont follow the draft (or Essendon) closely at all. Thanks so much for imparting some of your unbelievable wisdom and apparent antagonism on me oh wise one!
you really got butt hurt over that?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: silloc on September 07, 2015, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
why would you take out Heppell and Zerrett? half the challenge of drafting is getting inside info
mother of all insider-info = Fantasia, everyone at the time was like wtf who is that. Just happens to be a kid who played under the coach we just hired.
The challenge of draft time isn't with your top tier selections it's your ability to get gems with later picks.
FYI, your brother at the club is not inside information because of bias. What do expect him to say about his brother "Nah he's shower".
hey man they wernt my words southstorm said it i was just trying to explain why
Sorry the fantasia bit was at you, then I went to hit send and more things were said so I kinda commented on them also.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
What was the inside info and where did it come from? Fill me in!
you're kidding right? Jackson Merrett was at the club already so we had all the info we wanted on Zach
and i think Heppell everyone thought had a injury
Nope, I genuinely didn't know because I dont follow the draft (or Essendon) closely at all. Thanks so much for imparting some of your unbelievable wisdom and apparent antagonism on me oh wise one!
you really got butt hurt over that?
Butthurt? Nope. Just telling you to stop being a douche :)
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
What was the inside info and where did it come from? Fill me in!
you're kidding right? Jackson Merrett was at the club already so we had all the info we wanted on Zach
and i think Heppell everyone thought had a injury
Nope, I genuinely didn't know because I dont follow the draft (or Essendon) closely at all. Thanks so much for imparting some of your unbelievable wisdom and apparent antagonism on me oh wise one!
you really got butt hurt over that?
Butthurt? Nope. Just telling you to stop being a douche :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOlxZmFcF7s
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 01:52:45 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 07, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
What was the inside info and where did it come from? Fill me in!
you're kidding right? Jackson Merrett was at the club already so we had all the info we wanted on Zach
and i think Heppell everyone thought had a injury
Nope, I genuinely didn't know because I dont follow the draft (or Essendon) closely at all. Thanks so much for imparting some of your unbelievable wisdom and apparent antagonism on me oh wise one!
you really got butt hurt over that?
Butthurt? Nope. Just telling you to stop being a douche :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOlxZmFcF7s
Good work! You're impressive!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I0spFY1I2NQ
Quote from: silloc on September 07, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
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Quote from: Southstorm on August 17, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
you're being a bit harsh, I think our list management has been pretty good post-sheedy. You're forgetting the rookie talent we've scouted too; bags, hibo, bell-end, hocking, crameri.
Don't forget that 2010-2013 was picked apart by GWS & GCS, and -3 top end draft picks from last 2 drafts.
We're not going to get a superstar every year, but we're coming pretty close.
Like I said, I'm only talking about early draft picks.
We might have been able to make the best of a bad situation and come away with some steals from the rookie draft and late in the main draft, but at the end of the day, you can't just piss away half of your most recent top draft picks and question what you're doing wrong. Do we scout wrong? Do we develop wrong? Should we listen to the Herald Sun more or not at all? We need to answer these questions.
... what are you talking about, who are you referring to specifically, we've had more hits in the top 30 than misses. What do you want? and if you're talking about pre-2006, your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying we lacked midfield depth in the 90's. We've got the last 7 drafts right IMO, so the fact you're bringing it up as an issue NOW is stupid.
Take out Daniher who was father son and take out Heppell and Z. Merrett who we drafted with a little insider information and who has been a hit for us?
In the last seven drafts, we've had the abysmal 2011 year and we've had 2009 where Melksham was taken in the top 10. Ashby nor Kavanagh are not looking likely to be in the best 22 for next season and Melksham is not the quality expected of a top 10 pick. Although before 2009 we were better. Not competition-leading, but better.
Ashby was pick 34, that's not a top end draft pick.
Kav, if you take into account the mini-draft and GCS/GWS pre-selections over those years, you're looking more like a no.30 pick. And it's not like we're the exception to the rule that year. You go and look at the next 10 picks after kav, not really filled with gold.
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh Essendon 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 34
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 37
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman West Coast 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 15
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 37
1 26 Richmond Todd Elton Richmond 2
27 Priority Adelaide Sam Kerridge Adelaide 27
28 Priority West Coast Fraser McInnes West Coast 7
29 Priority Fremantle Alex Forster 1
Melksham has been disappointing, but the only genuine miss that I consider in the past 10 years. Still shows glimpses, maybe would do better in another team. But again, we weren't the only ones to miss around that area.
1 8 Port Adelaide John Butcher Port Adelaide 28
1 9 Port Adelaide Andrew Moore Port Adelaide 55
1 10 Essendon Jake Melksham Essendon 114
1 11 Melbourne Jordan Gysberts 19
1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas West Coast 42
The main issue with Kavanagh is that we drafted him when we knew he had previously struggled with injury. In fact he didn't even play a full season in the TAC Cup the year we drafted him and there were huge question marks over his fitness going into the draft. We rolled the dice, prayed to god that it was just a lot of hype like Hep's injury last year. He struggled to get match-fit for the first three years of his career and arguably only played in 2015 because the team had gone to hell with injury. Good talent, but shower luck. If we played it safe, we could have had Crozier who's been decent or Murray Newman who might not have gone to town on some bloke had he been living in Victoria. Seb Ross even. Kerridge? All four have had better careers unfortunately. The guy was regarded as a top 5 picks at one stage, and every club above us passed up on him even though he would have been crazy value from any pick lower than 10. So there's an example of us not doing our homework properly.
And you can say that hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but what we did is sort of like putting your savings on the roughie at the TAB. Pretty awesome if you get lucky but there's a very good reason why people don't do it.
Inside info is great when you've got the ability to dig it up yourself. Waiting around for an extreme stroke of luck, like the kid you're interested in sharing the same family doctor as the club or one of the new kids having an underrated younger brother isn't something you'd rely on to produce consistently great results. I'd like to think we're able to draft like we did in 2008, and possibly 2014 depending on how that turns out. Getting Langford and Laverde in the same draft is tits.
Anyway, so I look back at the last seven years and say we got lucky for three, screwed up two and drafted well for one and possibly two. Not really any superstar, top-touted F/S picks heading our way and I'm not sure how many TAC superstars bruce reid still sees so we can't keep counting on getting lucky. But hey, I've at least got enough perspective to know it's not as bad as our pick 18 in 2001.
Quote from: Southstorm on September 07, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
But hey, I've at least got enough perspective to know it's not as bad as our pick 18 in 2001.
Haha I had to google that one ;)
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Quote from: Southstorm on September 02, 2015, 01:45:59 AM
Quote from: silloc on August 20, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on August 17, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
The only good draft picks we've had in the last few years since Heppell have been Daniher and Zach Merrett.
Prior to that, the only great draft picks we've had since 2003 have been Hurley and Ryder. There's been a few good ones like Myers and Zaharakis and a few serviceable ones but none have ever lived up to their promised potential. Some have been complete write offs.
Probably too early to say whether Laverde and Langford are going to prove to be stars for us, but they're definitely showing more than most others in their opening years
It's time we figured out what we're doing wrong. Are we terrible at drafting or are we terrible at developing players?
Note: I'm only talking about early draft picks. If anything, we've proven we're quite good at getting value from rookie listed players and late draft picks.
you're being a bit harsh, I think our list management has been pretty good post-sheedy. You're forgetting the rookie talent we've scouted too; bags, hibo, bell-end, hocking, crameri.
Don't forget that 2010-2013 was picked apart by GWS & GCS, and -3 top end draft picks from last 2 drafts.
We're not going to get a superstar every year, but we're coming pretty close.
Like I said, I'm only talking about early draft picks.
We might have been able to make the best of a bad situation and come away with some steals from the rookie draft and late in the main draft, but at the end of the day, you can't just piss away half of your most recent top draft picks and question what you're doing wrong. Do we scout wrong? Do we develop wrong? Should we listen to the Herald Sun more or not at all? We need to answer these questions.
... what are you talking about, who are you referring to specifically, we've had more hits in the top 30 than misses. What do you want? and if you're talking about pre-2006, your argument is irrelevant. That's like saying we lacked midfield depth in the 90's. We've got the last 7 drafts right IMO, so the fact you're bringing it up as an issue NOW is stupid.
Take out Daniher who was father son and take out Heppell and Z. Merrett who we drafted with a little insider information and who has been a hit for us?
In the last seven drafts, we've had the abysmal 2011 year and we've had 2009 where Melksham was taken in the top 10. Ashby nor Kavanagh are not looking likely to be in the best 22 for next season and Melksham is not the quality expected of a top 10 pick. Although before 2009 we were better. Not competition-leading, but better.
Ashby was pick 34, that's not a top end draft pick.
Kav, if you take into account the mini-draft and GCS/GWS pre-selections over those years, you're looking more like a no.30 pick. And it's not like we're the exception to the rule that year. You go and look at the next 10 picks after kav, not really filled with gold.
1 19 Essendon Elliott Kavanagh Essendon 12
1 20 Fremantle Hayden Crozier Fremantle 34
1 21 Father/Son Sydney Tom Mitchell Sydney 37
1 22 Carlton Joshua Bootsma 14
1 23 West Coast Murray Newman West Coast 6
1 24 Gold Coast Henry Schade Gold Coast 15
1 25 St Kilda Sebastian Ross St Kilda 37
1 26 Richmond Todd Elton Richmond 2
27 Priority Adelaide Sam Kerridge Adelaide 27
28 Priority West Coast Fraser McInnes West Coast 7
29 Priority Fremantle Alex Forster 1
Melksham has been disappointing, but the only genuine miss that I consider in the past 10 years. Still shows glimpses, maybe would do better in another team. But again, we weren't the only ones to miss around that area.
1 8 Port Adelaide John Butcher Port Adelaide 28
1 9 Port Adelaide Andrew Moore Port Adelaide 55
1 10 Essendon Jake Melksham Essendon 114
1 11 Melbourne Jordan Gysberts 19
1 12 Carlton Kane Lucas West Coast 42
The main issue with Kavanagh is that we drafted him when we knew he had previously struggled with injury. In fact he didn't even play a full season in the TAC Cup the year we drafted him and there were huge question marks over his fitness going into the draft. We rolled the dice, prayed to god that it was just a lot of hype like Hep's injury last year. He struggled to get match-fit for the first three years of his career and arguably only played in 2015 because the team had gone to hell with injury. Good talent, but shower luck. If we played it safe, we could have had Crozier who's been decent or Murray Newman who might not have gone to town on some bloke had he been living in Victoria. Seb Ross even. Kerridge? All four have had better careers unfortunately. The guy was regarded as a top 5 picks at one stage, and every club above us passed up on him even though he would have been crazy value from any pick lower than 10. So there's an example of us not doing our homework properly.
And you can say that hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but what we did is sort of like putting your savings on the roughie at the TAB. Pretty awesome if you get lucky but there's a very good reason why people don't do it.
Inside info is great when you've got the ability to dig it up yourself. Waiting around for an extreme stroke of luck, like the kid you're interested in sharing the same family doctor as the club or one of the new kids having an underrated younger brother isn't something you'd rely on to produce consistently great results. I'd like to think we're able to draft like we did in 2008, and possibly 2014 depending on how that turns out. Getting Langford and Laverde in the same draft is tits.
Anyway, so I look back at the last seven years and say we got lucky for three, screwed up two and drafted well for one and possibly two. Not really any superstar, top-touted F/S picks heading our way and I'm not sure how many TAC superstars bruce reid still sees so we can't keep counting on getting lucky. But hey, I've at least got enough perspective to know it's not as bad as our pick 18 in 2001.
You lost me with "like heppel". I think that risk is worth taking if you get someone like heppel 1 time out of 2.
Quote from: iZander on September 07, 2015, 04:53:36 PM
You lost me with "like heppel". I think that risk is worth taking if you get someone like heppel 1 time out of 2.
To be honest, it wasn't "like heppell" at all. Hep's injuries weren't as off-putting and more importantly, we knew with certainty that Heppell's body was right. We had no such assurances with Kav.
Quote from: Southstorm on September 07, 2015, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: iZander on September 07, 2015, 04:53:36 PM
You lost me with "like heppel". I think that risk is worth taking if you get someone like heppel 1 time out of 2.
To be honest, it wasn't "like heppell" at all. Hep's injuries weren't as off-putting and more importantly, we knew with certainty that Heppell's body was right. We had no such assurances with Kav.
Your words mate....
Quote from: iZander on September 07, 2015, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on September 07, 2015, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: iZander on September 07, 2015, 04:53:36 PM
You lost me with "like heppel". I think that risk is worth taking if you get someone like heppel 1 time out of 2.
To be honest, it wasn't "like heppell" at all. Hep's injuries weren't as off-putting and more importantly, we knew with certainty that Heppell's body was right. We had no such assurances with Kav.
Your words mate....
That was the point of taking Kav. We could have gone a little safer and selected a Crozier or Kerridge. They knew the risk they were taking on Kav's body, but decided at pick 19 it was worth the risk, because if it paid off and he got his body right he had the potential to be a gun. Not to be, but no huge loss because it's not like we missed a Dangerfield or Selwood because of it.
Well if you'd have paid attention you'd have noticed that Kav hasn't had any reoccurring hamstring problems since being drafted. He had one minor strain at the end of last year. Also his fitness has been at the top of our under 24 kids for the past 2 preseasons.
So essendon were able to work through it and overcome that problem. His issues are not injury related so it makes your argument about picking him in the draft irrelevant. We're just unlucky he had the injury problems otherwise he would've gone much higher.
Quote from: silloc on September 08, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
Well if you'd have paid attention you'd have noticed that Kav hasn't had any reoccurring hamstring problems since being drafted. He had one minor strain at the end of last year. Also his fitness has been at the top of our under 24 kids for the past 2 preseasons.
So essendon were able to work through it and overcome that problem. His issues are not injury related so it makes your argument about picking him in the draft irrelevant. We're just unlucky he had the injury problems otherwise he would've gone much higher.
If you're saying that keeping match fit wasn't a problem, his talent isn't a problem and being injured wasn't a problem then what problems does he have? Based on what you've just said he should be perfect.
Quote from: Southstorm on September 08, 2015, 03:04:43 PM
Quote from: silloc on September 08, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
Well if you'd have paid attention you'd have noticed that Kav hasn't had any reoccurring hamstring problems since being drafted. He had one minor strain at the end of last year. Also his fitness has been at the top of our under 24 kids for the past 2 preseasons.
So essendon were able to work through it and overcome that problem. His issues are not injury related so it makes your argument about picking him in the draft irrelevant. We're just unlucky he had the injury problems otherwise he would've gone much higher.
If you're saying that keeping match fit wasn't a problem, his talent isn't a problem and being injured wasn't a problem then what problems does he have? Based on what you've just said he should be perfect.
Yeah nah he just hasn't been able to convert underage talent into AFL performances.
At this stage perhaps a best 22 could be
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Laverde, Daniher, Goddard
F: Kommer, McKernan, Langford
Foll: Bellchambers, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Melksham, Zaharakis, Colyer, x
Spot x could be filled by Edwards, Gleeson, Howlett, J. Merrett or a rookie we draft this year
That's really not too bad. If we get a fit team together for round 1 with 20 of those guys lining up then we should be a much better team compared to last year. Still a few questions, but a much better team than what we had last season.
Before anyone's like "OMG YOU PUT HIM THERE HE SHOULD BE HERE AND HE SHOULD BE THERE", i wrote this at 3am on a brain wave so chill.
Then I did some dreaming and came up with an optimistic possible best 22 in a post-Stanton, Watson, Goddard and Hocking future.
Baguley, Hurley, Pears
Hibberd, Hooker, Gleeson
Colyer, Heppell, Myers
Laverde, Daniher, Langford
Kommer, Wiedemann, McKernan
Bellchambers, Z. Merrett, Zaharakis
Int: Melksham, Balic, Edwards, Howlett
I'm being very optimistic in hoping we get Wiedemann and Balic from this draft courtesy of an extra pick gifted on behalf of one Jake Carlisle <3
what about Fantasia i'd rather get games into him then Melksham
Quote from: Southstorm on September 09, 2015, 03:48:29 AM
At this stage perhaps a best 22 could be
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Laverde, Daniher, Goddard
F: Kommer, McKernan, Langford
Foll: Bellchambers, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Melksham, Zaharakis, Colyer, x
Spot x could be filled by Edwards, Gleeson, Howlett, J. Merrett or a rookie we draft this year
That's really not too bad. If we get a fit team together for round 1 with 20 of those guys lining up then we should be a much better team compared to last year. Still a few questions, but a much better team than what we had last season.
Before anyone's like "OMG YOU PUT HIM THERE HE SHOULD BE HERE AND HE SHOULD BE THERE", i wrote this at 3am on a brain wave so chill.
Then I did some dreaming and came up with an optimistic possible best 22 in a post-Stanton, Watson, Goddard and Hocking future.
Baguley, Hurley, Pears
Hibberd, Hooker, Gleeson
Colyer, Heppell, Myers
Laverde, Daniher, Langford
Kommer, Wiedemann, McKernan
Bellchambers, Z. Merrett, Zaharakis
Int: Melksham, Balic, Edwards, Howlett
I'm being very optimistic in hoping we get Wiedemann and Balic from this draft courtesy of an extra pick gifted on behalf of one Jake Carlisle <3
I'm hoping we can get parish, if nobody gets a compo pick before us. GCS, CARL, BRIS are all looking for key positions.
You boys would be nuts to not get Parish if he's available.
Quote from: Southstorm on September 08, 2015, 03:04:43 PM
Quote from: silloc on September 08, 2015, 09:53:02 AM
Well if you'd have paid attention you'd have noticed that Kav hasn't had any reoccurring hamstring problems since being drafted. He had one minor strain at the end of last year. Also his fitness has been at the top of our under 24 kids for the past 2 preseasons.
So essendon were able to work through it and overcome that problem. His issues are not injury related so it makes your argument about picking him in the draft irrelevant. We're just unlucky he had the injury problems otherwise he would've gone much higher.
If you're saying that keeping match fit wasn't a problem, his talent isn't a problem and being injured wasn't a problem then what problems does he have? Based on what you've just said he should be perfect.
Based on what I said, his original concerns after his u18's season haven't proven to be the issue. Which is why I don't blame the clubs draft selection team.
He really hasn't taken his opportunities when selected in the senior team and converted his VFL form into the seniors. But then again neither did taylor hunt, and look at him at richmond.
Also, pick 10-15 for Jake isn't really how it looks at the moment. with Saints (5 & 23), Carlton (1 & 19), North (11 & 29), as the most interested.
Does this seem fair; Carlisle Pick 22 -> for saints pick 5??
I don't think they'd give up pick 5 if they can get him for a later pick. I think it's more likely that St. K or Carlton will away their first pick for a higher first round pick to improve the deal for themselves.
Carlton might be able to get a talented young player or a 2016 first round pick in addition to a 2015 first round pick. That allows them to get two talented players for the price of one. Not a bad deal for them.
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Zaharakis, Daniher, Goddard
F: Kommer, Curnow, Bellchambers
Foll: Leuenberger, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Bird, Parish, Laverde, Langford
:D
Quote from: Southstorm on October 21, 2015, 03:30:14 AM
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Zaharakis, Daniher, Goddard
F: Kommer, Curnow, Bellchambers
Foll: Leuenberger, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Bird, Parish, Laverde, Langford
:D
No way we'll get parish now, Melbourne are banking on us only taking one of either Weideman and Curnow. Then they'll take which ever one we don't pick. I hope I'm wrong but...
Also bird is not in our best 22 if Watson hocking myers are all fit
The blind faith in Kommer is a little crazy. Had one average season, back in 2013 and hasn't done a thing other than get injured since. Would play McKenna ahead of him every day of the week.
Quote from: meow meow on October 22, 2015, 01:15:42 PM
The blind faith in Kommer is a little crazy. Had one average season, back in 2013 and hasn't done a thing other than get injured since. Would play McKenna ahead of him every day of the week.
Yeah especially after 2 years out.
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Goddard
C: Stanton, Myers, Heppell
HF: Zaharakis, Daniher, Watson
F: Dempsy, Mckernan, Bellchambers
Foll: Leuenberger, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Colyer, Fantasia, Laverde, Howlett
(quick one, without 2015 draft crop. may have forgot a few)
Hopefully...
In: Francis and Curnow
Out Dempsey and ?
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 22, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Hopefully...
In: Francis and Curnow
Out Dempsey and ?
hopefully parish and Curnow... Francis is a swing man that is more so a backman, if we were forced to get two key position players weidemen would be the go.
I wouldn't put any first year players in our 22 apart from MAYBE parish
Also; I don't think GCS would've given up pick 3 if they thought we'd take francis
Quote from: silloc on October 22, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on October 21, 2015, 03:30:14 AM
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Zaharakis, Daniher, Goddard
F: Kommer, Curnow, Bellchambers
Foll: Leuenberger, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Bird, Parish, Laverde, Langford
:D
No way we'll get parish now, Melbourne are banking on us only taking one of either Weideman and Curnow. Then they'll take which ever one we don't pick. I hope I'm wrong but...
Also bird is not in our best 22 if Watson hocking myers are all fit
I'd say Bird is and Howlett isn't. Bird does everything Howlett does but more and does it better to boot.
Quote from: Southstorm on October 22, 2015, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: silloc on October 22, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on October 21, 2015, 03:30:14 AM
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Zaharakis, Daniher, Goddard
F: Kommer, Curnow, Bellchambers
Foll: Leuenberger, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Bird, Parish, Laverde, Langford
:D
No way we'll get parish now, Melbourne are banking on us only taking one of either Weideman and Curnow. Then they'll take which ever one we don't pick. I hope I'm wrong but...
Also bird is not in our best 22 if Watson hocking myers are all fit
I'd say Bird is and Howlett isn't. Bird does everything Howlett does but more and does it better to boot.
Howlett has speed
Quote from: silloc on October 22, 2015, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on October 22, 2015, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: silloc on October 22, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on October 21, 2015, 03:30:14 AM
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Zaharakis, Daniher, Goddard
F: Kommer, Curnow, Bellchambers
Foll: Leuenberger, Z. Merrett, Hocking
Int: Bird, Parish, Laverde, Langford
:D
No way we'll get parish now, Melbourne are banking on us only taking one of either Weideman and Curnow. Then they'll take which ever one we don't pick. I hope I'm wrong but...
Also bird is not in our best 22 if Watson hocking myers are all fit
I'd say Bird is and Howlett isn't. Bird does everything Howlett does but more and does it better to boot.
Howlett has speed
I don't see Howlett being any quicker than Bird. Bird might do his best work as an inside midfielder but he certainly isn't slow. And if speed is what we really want, Howlett isn't a player who you'd choose to provide it.
our midfield lacks pace, bird is no better than howlett, howlett is faster than bird.... easy
I've seen enough of Bird on the wing to know he's decent at providing outside run and absolutely nothing from Ben Howlett to suggest he's faster than Craig Bird.
Why do people not like Howlett? I think he's an alright player ???
Why do people like Howlett? He's just an alright player.
Howlett isn't a bad player, he's just an inside player that's down the pecking order at the club and probably going to be further down the order as time goes on.
If Watson or Hocking gets injured he'll be the next cab off the rank.
Quote from: meow meow on October 22, 2015, 01:15:42 PM
The blind faith in Kommer is a little crazy. Had one average season, back in 2013 and hasn't done a thing other than get injured since. Would play McKenna ahead of him every day of the week.
Kommer's best is better than McKenna's best easily. If not Kommer, then Fantasia, but nobody applies forward pressure at our club like Nick Kommer.
Quote from: Southstorm on October 22, 2015, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 22, 2015, 01:15:42 PM
The blind faith in Kommer is a little crazy. Had one average season, back in 2013 and hasn't done a thing other than get injured since. Would play McKenna ahead of him every day of the week.
Kommer's best is better than McKenna's best easily. If not Kommer, then Fantasia, but nobody applies forward pressure at our club like Nick Kommer.
For me, it's the fact we need a forward pocket that can chase, tackle and kick a few goals. I don't really rate Kommer that highly, but he's the only forward pocket on our list so I just hope he can provide.
Quote from: silloc on October 22, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 22, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Hopefully...
In: Francis and Curnow
Out Dempsey and ?
hopefully parish and Curnow... Francis is a swing man that is more so a backman, if we were forced to get two key position players weidemen would be the go.
I wouldn't put any first year players in our 22 apart from MAYBE parish
Also; I don't think GCS would've given up pick 3 if they thought we'd take francis
Francis to me is most comparable to Mackie in size/position. He's a great mark and has decent size to him so he can play tall when needed, but we have Hooker and Hurley and not many teams play a 3rd tall. That should allow him some Mackie-like freedom to create off half back, and drift forward to hit the scoreboard. I'd love to see him line up round one over someone like Gwilt/Pears/Steinberg. That's definitely the only hole in our otherwise strong defence.
Presuming the Dees now take Parish at 3, Francis is 100% the best player available at 4. As much as I don't think Weideman is the 5th best player in the draft, we may as well find Joe a partner to built an 8-10 year forward line with. We may not get a better chance than this to draft a young KPF, they take longer to develop, mids are easier to find later in the draft and we should have another top 10 pick next year in a draft with a stronger pool of quality midfielders available.
I would have loved Parish because he's what we need, but oh well. You can't fill 3 holes with 2 picks.
If next year we find a classy outside player who can still win his own ball, a solid inside midfielder to take over from Watson and find a small forward somewhere along the way, we're well on our way.
FB Baguley, Hooker, Hibberd
HB _______ Hurley, ________
C Goddard, Watson, Colyer
HF Zaharakis, Daniher, Z Merrett
FF ________, ________, ________
Foll Leuenberger, Hocking, Heppell
Bench Stanton, Myers, ________, ________
I think these guys are the only locks in our 22.
-Francis*, Gwilt, Gleeson & Dempsey vie for the back 6. Room for Gleeson/Demspsey on the bench as a flexible back rotation who can also play up the wing and forward line.
-McKernan, Bellchambers or Weideman* at FF. Probably Bellchambers, although I'd prefer Joey deep and McKernan up the ground.
-I'd like one of Edwards or Langford to get a game every week in the forward line. Hopefully Kommer or McKenna can provide a little pressure, but we'll probably play Ambrose instead.
-Cooney gets the other bench spot at full strength.
-Howlett and Bird provide midfield depth to guys like Myers, Watson and Hocking who seem to get injured a bit.
-Laverde and J Merrett will get plenty of opportunities, no team has a 0 injury list. Laverde running around getting 25 touches in the VFL isn't the worst thing for his development.
-Pears, Steinberg, Browne, Kavanagh and O'Brien are all depth guys who have one final year to become best 22. A deeper draft next year will see them gone otherwise.
That's about all of my thoughts on our list for 2016! Looking into it the future is much brighter than some would suggest. We were on par with North last year and a much younger list. A nice run with injuries and WADA and I think finals would be a real chance, but with so many teams around the mark (Pies, Port, GWS, Geelong) it's unlikely. Injuries will probably decide the middle part of the ladder, sadly.
From an AFL point of view, if the Suns, Saints, Dees and Lions can all make some inroads it could be a ripper of a season!
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on October 23, 2015, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on October 22, 2015, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 22, 2015, 01:15:42 PM
The blind faith in Kommer is a little crazy. Had one average season, back in 2013 and hasn't done a thing other than get injured since. Would play McKenna ahead of him every day of the week.
Kommer's best is better than McKenna's best easily. If not Kommer, then Fantasia, but nobody applies forward pressure at our club like Nick Kommer.
For me, it's the fact we need a forward pocket that can chase, tackle and kick a few goals. I don't really rate Kommer that highly, but he's the only forward pocket on our list so I just hope he can provide.
Quote from: silloc on October 22, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: plumdog millionaire on October 22, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Hopefully...
In: Francis and Curnow
Out Dempsey and ?
hopefully parish and Curnow... Francis is a swing man that is more so a backman, if we were forced to get two key position players weidemen would be the go.
I wouldn't put any first year players in our 22 apart from MAYBE parish
Also; I don't think GCS would've given up pick 3 if they thought we'd take francis
Francis to me is most comparable to Mackie in size/position. He's a great mark and has decent size to him so he can play tall when needed, but we have Hooker and Hurley and not many teams play a 3rd tall. That should allow him some Mackie-like freedom to create off half back, and drift forward to hit the scoreboard. I'd love to see him line up round one over someone like Gwilt/Pears/Steinberg. That's definitely the only hole in our otherwise strong defence.
Presuming the Dees now take Parish at 3, Francis is 100% the best player available at 4. As much as I don't think Weideman is the 5th best player in the draft, we may as well find Joe a partner to built an 8-10 year forward line with. We may not get a better chance than this to draft a young KPF, they take longer to develop, mids are easier to find later in the draft and we should have another top 10 pick next year in a draft with a stronger pool of quality midfielders available.
I would have loved Parish because he's what we need, but oh well. You can't fill 3 holes with 2 picks.
If next year we find a classy outside player who can still win his own ball, a solid inside midfielder to take over from Watson and find a small forward somewhere along the way, we're well on our way.
FB Baguley, Hooker, Hibberd
HB _______ Hurley, ________
C Goddard, Watson, Colyer
HF Zaharakis, Daniher, Z Merrett
FF ________, ________, ________
Foll Leuenberger, Hocking, Heppell
Bench Stanton, Myers, ________, ________
I think these guys are the only locks in our 22.
-Francis*, Gwilt, Gleeson & Dempsey vie for the back 6. Room for Gleeson/Demspsey on the bench as a flexible back rotation who can also play up the wing and forward line.
-McKernan, Bellchambers or Weideman* at FF. Probably Bellchambers, although I'd prefer Joey deep and McKernan up the ground.
-I'd like one of Edwards or Langford to get a game every week in the forward line. Hopefully Kommer or McKenna can provide a little pressure, but we'll probably play Ambrose instead.
-Cooney gets the other bench spot at full strength.
-Howlett and Bird provide midfield depth to guys like Myers, Watson and Hocking who seem to get injured a bit.
-Laverde and J Merrett will get plenty of opportunities, no team has a 0 injury list. Laverde running around getting 25 touches in the VFL isn't the worst thing for his development.
-Pears, Steinberg, Browne, Kavanagh and O'Brien are all depth guys who have one final year to become best 22. A deeper draft next year will see them gone otherwise.
That's about all of my thoughts on our list for 2016! Looking into it the future is much brighter than some would suggest. We were on par with North last year and a much younger list. A nice run with injuries and WADA and I think finals would be a real chance, but with so many teams around the mark (Pies, Port, GWS, Geelong) it's unlikely. Injuries will probably decide the middle part of the ladder, sadly.
From an AFL point of view, if the Suns, Saints, Dees and Lions can all make some inroads it could be a ripper of a season!
I don't really care who we pick with 4,5, I think the holes in attack warrant even going both Curnow and Weidman... Probably debating about it is useless. So we'll wait until after the draft. But for what it's worth, I think Curnows could bring quicker returns and might suit better.
You GOTTA give pears the third tall spot, right? poor guy...
I think a lot will change as far as a new coach goes and who he thinks fits where, so expect some curve balls.
Also Steinberg needs to be upgraded or delisted, he has been on the rookie list 3years which is max.
also totally agree with midfielders/non-keypos for our 24,25. Throw some names up, Gresham, Lovell, Hibberd, Hardwick, Rioli, Oliver.
I think we are in a good spot to rookie Gach Nyuon (spelling??) 3-4 years of development would see him coming in at the back end of luey
I like Pears .. would like to see him get a good run next year. See what Woosha does with him, could be a make or break season.
Kommer was our #1 player for pressure acts him not fit is a really big loss
B: Baguley, Hurley, Pears
HB: Hibberd, Hooker, Myers
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Zaharakis, McKernan, Goddard
F: Kommer, Daniher, Colyer
Foll: Leuenberger, Z. Merrett, Hocking
I/C: Howlett, Bird, Fantasia, Langford
i like that team i think McKernan is more dangerous up forward then Belly and he or Daniher can help Luey
the new draftees would have to be pretty good to get games over our current depth no idea how people can put them in the best 22
FB: Baguley Hooker Francis (Hartley, Gwilt, Pears)
HB: Gleeson Hurley Hibberd (Fantasia, Ashby, Morgan, Dempsey)
Foll: Leuenberger Heppell Zerrett (Hocking, Howlett, Parish)
C: Goddard Watson Colyer (Myers, Stanton, Jerrett)
HF: Laverde McKernan Zaharakis (Bellchambers, Cooney, Bird, Redman, Eades)
FF: Langford Daniher Brown (Edwards, Kommer, Ambrose)
I quite like the make-up of the list after the draft(s). Hartley gives us solid KPD depth. Brown provides a mobile forward target to complement Daniher and McKernan/Bellchambers, and will swing back when needed. He also gives us time to find the right young KPF to partner Daniher.
There's some serious toe coming through all 3 lines. As Watson, Goddard and Stanton retire over the next 2/3 years we'll only get faster. Hocking and Myers aren't going anywhere any time soon so there's plenty of time to getsome young inside mids in.
I think the list "rejuvination" was quite a success, but only time will tell :)
This has been the best Draft period we've had in I can't even remember how long....
Bird is a walk up mid, He's great. Hell start over Zaka, Myers, etc. Whether Essendon supporters like it or not.
I really believe they will keep blooding kids and the likes of your Cooneys, Zakas and Howletts if they don't impact games, room will be made for Parish and Francis asap. I really don't think people understand what these two kids are. Im still dumb struck we got them, I really thought Parish would get taken by Melbourne although I understand they needed a big mid, and Im a fan of Oliver anyway. But Oliver will only ever be a work horse in my opinion. Parish has the ability to be a Judd, or a Hodge, or Pendles. A game destroyer. And Francis too. If he gets endurance..... He will be Goddard in his prime. He's a monster in the air and great of both legs. Put him in the midfield in 3 years and we will have one of the most potent in the AFL.
Heppell, Parish, Z Merrett, Francis, Colyer and thats not even including the possibilty of Langford and Laverde doing the same. Both have massive potential to go mids.
I watched a fully fit Bellchambers against Sam Jacobs yesterday. 2012. I forgot what he could do fully firing.
B: Baguley Hooker, Hibberd
HB: Stanton, Hurley, Bird
C: Goddard Watson Colyer
Foll: Leu Heppell Hocking
HF Zmerrett McKernan Zaharakis
F: Bellchambers, Daniher, Kommer
Bench between: Myers, Parish, Francis, Brown. Howlett, Gleeson, Laverde.
My reason for starting Hocking, purely because our side was completely different the day he came back in. Same with Myers. In a perfect world you want to see the potential of the new kids straight away, but reality dictates otherwise. They will be given a go in the NAB to impress, but we will probably have 2 spots up for grabs, if that. The rest will start.
As I said, If Zaka, Howlett and Myers are mediocre you can bet kids will be blooded.
I do, however, believe players like Cooney, Dempsey, Gwilt and Pears will struggle for a spot. We may see an early retirment from Cooney if he gets an early injury. Just my opinion.
Brown and Mckernan will fight for a spot.
Everyone forgets the fwd pressure Kommer brings. He's an animal. We have sorely missed that in our fwd line.
Quote from: Drak on December 03, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
This has been the best Draft period we've had in I can't even remember how long....
Bird is a walk up mid, He's great. Hell start over Zaka, Myers, etc. Whether Essendon supporters like it or not.
THANKYOU
Quote from: iZander on December 03, 2015, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Drak on December 03, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
This has been the best Draft period we've had in I can't even remember how long....
Bird is a walk up mid, He's great. Hell start over Zaka, Myers, etc. Whether Essendon supporters like it or not.
THANKYOU
Anytime... haha. Fans sometimes have a hard time discerning talent and ability over favouritism or cult status.
Kommer was training with the main group today is injury free for the first time in 18 months just needs more fitness obviously but still early
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 09, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
Kommer was training with the main group today is injury free for the first time in 18 months just needs more fitness obviously but still early
kb I don't even think you understand the comedic brilliance of that sentence :P ;D
does my sentence even make sense
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on December 09, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 09, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
Kommer was training with the main group today is injury free for the first time in 18 months just needs more fitness obviously but still early
kb I don't even think you understand the comedic brilliance of that sentence :P ;D
Hahaha ;D
Quote from: Big Mac on December 09, 2015, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on December 09, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 09, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
Kommer was training with the main group today is injury free for the first time in 18 months just needs more fitness obviously but still early
kb I don't even think you understand the comedic brilliance of that sentence :P ;D
Hahaha ;D
Unintentional genius is usually the best. ;D
still don't get it
Kyle will explain.
Myers a walk up start? Interesting, what do you see him scoring fantasy wise?
And I could see Parish playing Round 1, kid is a jet.
man how do I explain it? it's just there :P
a massive sentence about a Kommer with no comma, Kommer's back training and should be back in action when there's a lack of any comma there at all
I dunno someone smarter explain it :P
Quote from: _wato on December 09, 2015, 11:13:05 PM
Myers a walk up start? Interesting, what do you see him scoring fantasy wise?
And I could see Parish playing Round 1, kid is a jet.
Myers is barring terrible form he will have competition from guys like Langford
he can go 80+ easily imo i have him in my fanplanner team cant resist for 200k looking at him as a high priced roookie
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 10, 2015, 03:37:20 AM
Quote from: _wato on December 09, 2015, 11:13:05 PM
Myers a walk up start? Interesting, what do you see him scoring fantasy wise?
And I could see Parish playing Round 1, kid is a jet.
Myers is barring terrible form he will have competition from guys like Langford
he can go 80+ easily imo i have him in my fanplanner team cant resist for 200k looking at him as a high priced roookie
See what happens but I think he's in our best 22, injuries have have been a problem obviously. He has a massive kick on him and can be a real weapon. If he gets named round 1 it will be too hard for me to ignore at 200k just needs 4-6 games to make a quick 100-150k then upgrade.
I think Myers is our 3rd best inside mid behind Watson and Hocking, uses his body really well at the stoppages. His left boot is pretty crafty too. An automatic selection in my eyes
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on December 14, 2015, 01:20:28 PM
I think Myers is our 3rd best inside mid behind Watson and Hocking, uses his body really well at the stoppages. His left boot is pretty crafty too. An automatic selection in my eyes
Jobe > Heppell > Hocking
Id even go as far as to say Heppell has overtaken Jobe
Myers isn't terrible, but he isn't as fast has Howlett or Z Merrett. He's stronger thats about it. Watch Parish. Not very big, but just finds the footy and his hands are mental good. Smallest inside mid you'll ever see.
The Age put up a best 22. But I reckon Parish is a certain starter even in the side with our banned players
B: Baggs, Gwilt, Brown
HB: Gleeson, Hartley, Dempsey
C: Z Merrett, Brendon Goddard, David Zaharakis
HF: J Merrett, Shaun McKernan, Patrick Ambrose
F: Nick Kommer, Joe Daniher, Jayden Laverde
Foll: Matthew Leuenberger, Adam Cooney, Craig Bird
Inter: Kyle Langford, Orazio Fantasia, Darcy Parish, Shaun Edwards
Emerg: Aaron Francis, Conor McKenna, Ashby
Thoughts on Bombers giving one year contracts back to Obrien, Brown and Kavanagh?
Purple77 made a good point about delisted or retired players from last year.
Pretty decent names there
Stokes and Kelly
Lake
Rhyce Shaw
Quote from: Drak on January 12, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Purple77 made a good point about delisted or retired players from last year.
Pretty decent names there
Stokes and Kelly
Lake
Rhyce Shaw
Be interesting to see what they do even if they're given the option. Realistically, their season is dead, top up players or not. They presumably have to keep paying players salaries, even if they are banned. There's whatever current legal expenses they have, plus the possibility of action against the club by players. This is already a costly fiasco for them, do they really want to be throwing more money at players for a year that won't make much difference to the result?? Without knowing the books it seems like a pointless black hole to me.
Quote from: GCSkiwi on January 12, 2016, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Drak on January 12, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Purple77 made a good point about delisted or retired players from last year.
Pretty decent names there
Stokes and Kelly
Lake
Rhyce Shaw
Be interesting to see what they do even if they're given the option. Realistically, their season is dead, top up players or not. They presumably have to keep paying players salaries, even if they are banned. There's whatever current legal expenses they have, plus the possibility of action against the club by players. This is already a costly fiasco for them, do they really want to be throwing more money at players for a year that won't make much difference to the result?? Without knowing the books it seems like a pointless black hole to me.
You really should get a few big bodied VFL players to protect the kids then develop your youth going forward.
Parish
Francis
Morgan
Redman
Eades
Hartley
should all get plenty of games. take a positive from a big negative.
knowing essendon they will probably recruit a bunch of old guys finish 10th and stay irrelevant for another 10 years.
Quote from: GCSkiwi on January 12, 2016, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Drak on January 12, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Purple77 made a good point about delisted or retired players from last year.
Pretty decent names there
Stokes and Kelly
Lake
Rhyce Shaw
Be interesting to see what they do even if they're given the option. Realistically, their season is dead, top up players or not. They presumably have to keep paying players salaries, even if they are banned. There's whatever current legal expenses they have, plus the possibility of action against the club by players. This is already a costly fiasco for them, do they really want to be throwing more money at players for a year that won't make much difference to the result?? Without knowing the books it seems like a pointless black hole to me.
Sponsors and fans ...they just have to do something to keep their sponsors and fans
Quote from: T Dog on January 12, 2016, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on January 12, 2016, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: Drak on January 12, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Purple77 made a good point about delisted or retired players from last year.
Pretty decent names there
Stokes and Kelly
Lake
Rhyce Shaw
Be interesting to see what they do even if they're given the option. Realistically, their season is dead, top up players or not. They presumably have to keep paying players salaries, even if they are banned. There's whatever current legal expenses they have, plus the possibility of action against the club by players. This is already a costly fiasco for them, do they really want to be throwing more money at players for a year that won't make much difference to the result?? Without knowing the books it seems like a pointless black hole to me.
Sponsors and fans ...they just have to do something to keep their sponsors and fans
Bomber fans have become pretty resilient. Bombers will be selling the shower out of their kids to try and promote some semblance of optimism.
Its the sponsors that will have no option if the pressure is too much. Compounding an already astronomically engorged black hole of fines, debts, legal fees, player payments, future civil actions, top up salaries.... omfg... this is seriously disaster for one of the strongest clubs in the AFL.
putting a positive spin on it... cash cows, cash cows everywhere ;)
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 12, 2016, 01:53:03 PM
putting a positive spin on it... cash cows, cash cows everywhere ;)
Is it bad as a true bombers supporter, that was my immediate thought....
AFL has confirmed EFC can top-up and promote all its rookies. Melbourne, PA and, St Kilda and Bulldogs can only upgrade rookies with immediate effect.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-12/what-essendons-round-one-team-might-look-like
Interesting article which also lists quite a few de-listed retired players that may be used as top ups headed by Brian Lake.
Quote from: Drak on January 12, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Purple77 made a good point about delisted or retired players from last year.
Pretty decent names there
Stokes and Kelly
Lake
Rhyce Shaw
Is there any point? give all the young guys a run.
Quote from: Grufflez on January 12, 2016, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Drak on January 12, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Purple77 made a good point about delisted or retired players from last year.
Pretty decent names there
Stokes and Kelly
Lake
Rhyce Shaw
Think basically they need experienced players to assist with the development of young ones. Lake would be ideal for defence.
Is there any point? give all the young guys a run.
You can give all the young guys as much as they can handle. But having Lake come in and teach... lets say... Francis, a few things in the backline. The experience would be invaluable. Same goes for Shaw, Kelly and Stokes..... All premiership players.
Lake would be great in your backline but dont know if he can play a whole season. Kelly and stokes would be worth a look but im not sure about Shaw
Im not even sure shaw is sure he was sure about coming back to Melbourne. Thats for sure.
i really think Tippa will surprise a few
Got to keep in mind that a lot of the retired players would have been drinking beer and eating pies since their retirement. They will be a bit out of shape and have no AFL pre season under their belt.
They also have to be willing to come play for 1 season where they know they will get belted every week
I'd top up with mostly our own VFL players, and a few clint jones/ryan crowley/sam dwyer types to stop us getting smashed. But at the end of the day, you don't want to miss the oprtunity to develop our young players
Quote from: silloc on January 13, 2016, 01:05:26 AM
I'd top up with mostly our own VFL players, and a few clint jones/ryan crowley/sam dwyer types to stop us getting smashed. But at the end of the day, you don't want to miss the oprtunity to develop our young players
James Kelly and Matthew Stokes a couple that could do well and offer good leadership
Fox sport news just threw up some names for top up players .... Robbie Warnock was one of them lol I don't think they are that desperate ;)
Quote from: Drak on January 12, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on January 12, 2016, 01:53:03 PM
putting a positive spin on it... cash cows, cash cows everywhere ;)
Is it bad as a true bombers supporter, that was my immediate thought....
haha i dunno, fantasy football has corrupted us all ;D
Spite just mentioned Kyle Martin as a possible top up player... that would be christmas for fantasy comps
Some gold from the Shovel.
Essendon say they will be looking to inject youth into the team in 2016. Stephen Dank says he'll see what he can do.
;D
Quote from: Ricochet on January 13, 2016, 12:43:49 PM
Spite just mentioned Kyle Martin as a possible top up player... that would be christmas for fantasy comps
what about Kyal Horsley? what's he doing these days?
Quote from: Ricochet on January 13, 2016, 12:43:49 PM
Spite just mentioned Kyle Martin as a possible top up player... that would be christmas for fantasy comps.
Anyone rate .. Zac O'Brien .. wonder if he could take a spot ?
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on January 13, 2016, 01:59:05 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 13, 2016, 12:43:49 PM
Spite just mentioned Kyle Martin as a possible top up player... that would be christmas for fantasy comps
what about Kyal Horsley? what's he doing these days?
Playing WAFL, didn't have an amazing year. Would be good if he could get back to that GC form he showed though
Quote from: Football Factory on January 13, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 13, 2016, 12:43:49 PM
Spite just mentioned Kyle Martin as a possible top up player... that would be christmas for fantasy comps.
Anyone rate .. Zac O'Brien .. wonder if he could take a spot ?
Yeh that's a good one too
I'd like to see Brodie Martin get picked up as a top up player, gives 100% every game
Quote from: nrich102 on January 13, 2016, 01:41:09 PM
Some gold from the Shovel.
Essendon say they will be looking to inject youth into the team in 2016. Stephen Dank says he'll see what he can do.
;D
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Quote from: Football Factory on January 13, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 13, 2016, 12:43:49 PM
Spite just mentioned Kyle Martin as a possible top up player... that would be christmas for fantasy comps.
Anyone rate .. Zac O'Brien .. wonder if he could take a spot ?
Would not be a bad pick up - Still only 25 - Won the Lions Reserves Best and Fairest for the year. Super fit and was recruited by Lions from Bombers VFL side so would be ironic to return.
Kyle Reimers?
bring back fev.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 14, 2016, 11:47:17 PM
bring back fev.
Nope, he will be in the jungle for I'm a Celebrity :)
Ok you Essendon guys out there now that dust has settled which of the young guys at the club that would not have got a look in till the suspension happened are now realistically going to play this season ?
Isn't that why we are all sniffing around here? :P
Quote from: shaker on January 15, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
Ok you Essendon guys out there now that dust has settled which of the young guys at the club that would not have got a look in till the suspension happened are now realistically going to play this season ?
impossible to say until we see which top up players we get
What's Langford's chances of locking down a best 22 spot this season? I'm tossing and turning between him and Ben Kennedy for the last spot in my Forward line in SC.
I think it's hard for anyone to really lock down a spot in the 'best 22' when a good chunk of them are suspended tbh.
As much as Kelly and Stokes are great pick ups for the midfield, i'd rather see Kelly down back and Stokes up forward, it would give them the best chance to play as many games as possible. Crowley would be midfield, Jamar i'd like to see play majority up forward to help Daniher who should never leave the square this year. Dea down back, Grimley up forward.
With the 12 suspended maybe only half of them will return for the bombers next year, and those 12 were 90% in the best 22.
Players like, Langford, Laverde, Parish and Francis could really prove themselves and be a lock in the 2017 team in the positions that were taken up by the top up players.
B: M.Baguley, M.Brown, J.Gwilt
HB: J.Kelly, S.McKernan, M.Gleeson
M: D.Zaharakis, B.Goddard, K.Langford
HF: Z.Merrett, C.Bird, M.Stokes
F: R.Crowley, J.Daniher, J.Laverde
FOLL: M.Leuenberger, A.Cooney, J.Simpkin
INT: D.Parish, J.Merrett, P.Ambrose, M.Dea
EMG: O.Fantasia, C.Dempsey, J.Polkinghorne
???
Quote from: Mr.Craig on February 12, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
B: M.Baguley, M.Brown, J.Gwilt
HB: J.Kelly, S.McKernan, M.Gleeson
M: D.Zaharakis, B.Goddard, K.Langford
HF: Z.Merrett, C.Bird, M.Stokes
F: R.Crowley, J.Daniher, J.Laverde
FOLL: M.Leuenberger, A.Cooney, J.Simpkin
INT: D.Parish, S. Grimley, P.Ambrose, J.Polkinghorne
EMG: O.Fantasia, J.Merrett, M.Dea
???
Some Immediate changes I'd make:
Dea off for Polkinghorne
Grimley on field for Merrett who replaces Dempsey as EMG. Dempsey is useless and I'd really want to see him traded, decision making is not a strong point of his and that's what we need this season.
That team is without Jamar, and I'm not a fan for McKernan at CHB. I'd rather Hartley come in.
I reckon Fantasia is in the 22 as well
Quote from: Torpedo10 on February 12, 2016, 06:14:39 PM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on February 12, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
B: M.Baguley, M.Brown, J.Gwilt
HB: J.Kelly, S.McKernan, M.Gleeson
M: D.Zaharakis, B.Goddard, K.Langford
HF: Z.Merrett, C.Bird, M.Stokes
F: R.Crowley, J.Daniher, J.Laverde
FOLL: M.Leuenberger, A.Cooney, J.Simpkin
INT: D.Parish, S. Grimley, P.Ambrose, J.Polkinghorne
EMG: O.Fantasia, J.Merrett, M.Dea
???
Some Immediate changes I'd make:
Dea off for Polkinghorne
Grimley on field for Merrett who replaces Dempsey as EMG. Dempsey is useless and I'd really want to see him traded, decision making is not a strong point of his and that's what we need this season.
That team is without Jamar, and I'm not a fan for McKernan at CHB. I'd rather Hartley come in.
I've read your comment 6 or 7 times and I still can't decipher it sorry.
Are you actually saying Dea should come
in to the team for Polkinghorne?
Grimley replaces Zac Merrett on the field?? And then Zac replaces Dempsey (who I didn't list anywhere) as an emergency??! You'll need to provide me with a map for that one because I am so lost it's not funny.
I understood the bit about Jamar, McKernan and Hartley at least
Quote from: Mr.Craig on February 12, 2016, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on February 12, 2016, 06:14:39 PM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on February 12, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
B: M.Baguley, M.Brown, J.Gwilt
HB: J.Kelly, S.McKernan, M.Gleeson
M: D.Zaharakis, B.Goddard, K.Langford
HF: Z.Merrett, C.Bird, M.Stokes
F: R.Crowley, J.Daniher, J.Laverde
FOLL: M.Leuenberger, A.Cooney, J.Simpkin
INT: D.Parish, S. Grimley, P.Ambrose, J.Polkinghorne
EMG: O.Fantasia, J.Merrett, M.Dea
???
Some Immediate changes I'd make:
Dea off for Polkinghorne
Grimley on field for Merrett who replaces Dempsey as EMG. Dempsey is useless and I'd really want to see him traded, decision making is not a strong point of his and that's what we need this season.
That team is without Jamar, and I'm not a fan for McKernan at CHB. I'd rather Hartley come in.
I've read your comment 6 or 7 times and I still can't decipher it sorry.
Are you actually saying Dea should come in to the team for Polkinghorne?
Grimley replaces Zac Merrett on the field?? And then Zac replaces Dempsey (who I didn't list anywhere) as an emergency??! You'll need to provide me with a map for that one because I am so lost it's not funny.
I understood the bit about Jamar, McKernan and Hartley at least
What he meant wassss
Polkinghorne on the bench, Dea emg
Grimley replacing J Merrett, and J Merrett becomes emg and Dempsey is dropped from emergency list (as you had him as an emg)
Ohhhh, Torp edited my quote. Well that's damn sneaky.
Ah okay, well I guess that makes more sense. Not feeling Grimley though.
you guys undervaluing Kommer's importance with his pressure will play
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 13, 2016, 01:41:34 AM
you guys undervaluing Kommer's importance with his pressure will play
Will he be ready for RD1??
Quote from: Ricochet on February 13, 2016, 02:17:01 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 13, 2016, 01:41:34 AM
you guys undervaluing Kommer's importance with his pressure will play
Will he be ready for RD1??
least he is in full training unlike Stokes and Jamar
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 13, 2016, 03:11:51 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on February 13, 2016, 02:17:01 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 13, 2016, 01:41:34 AM
you guys undervaluing Kommer's importance with his pressure will play
Will he be ready for RD1??
least he is in full training unlike Stokes and Jamar
Ok.. but do you know if he'll be ready? I thought i saw that he may struggle to be ready for rd1. I could be wrong tho
Matt Dea will be in the 22, he's too good not to be.
Quote from: Ricochet on February 13, 2016, 09:55:07 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 13, 2016, 03:11:51 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on February 13, 2016, 02:17:01 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 13, 2016, 01:41:34 AM
you guys undervaluing Kommer's importance with his pressure will play
Will he be ready for RD1??
least he is in full training unlike Stokes and Jamar
Ok.. but do you know if he'll be ready? I thought i saw that he may struggle to be ready for rd1. I could be wrong tho
they are talking about him playing NAB/
B: _______ , ________ , ________
HB: _______ , ________ , ________
M: _______ , Darcy Parish , ________
HF: _______ , ________ , ________
F: _______ , ________ , ________
FOLL: _______ , ________ , ________
INT: _______ , ________ , ________
EMG: _______ , ________ , ________
That's a winning team right there.
Quote from: Southstorm on February 26, 2016, 01:14:01 AM
B: _______ , ________ , ________
HB: _______ , ________ , ________
M: _______ , Darcy Parish , ________
HF: _______ , ________ , ________
F: _______ , ________ , ________
FOLL: _______ , Ryan Crowley , ________
INT: _______ , ________ , ________
EMG: _______ , ________ , ________
That's a winning team right there.
i think this is close to best 22
B: Gwilt, Hartley, Dea
HB: Baguley, Brown, Fantasia
C: Kelly, Zaharakis, Simpkin
HF: Bird, Mckernan, Langford
F: Stokes, Daniher, Crowley
Foll: Luenberger, Goddard, Z. Merrett
Int: Tipungwuti, Jamar, Parish, Cooney
i'm not sure Grimley earned a spot yet tbh Jamar outplayed him yesterday but Jamar wont play every game will get rested
Laverde could come in for Jamar if Luey is playing
Fantasia has overtaken Gleeson imo
Ambrose i have never been a fun of goes missing way to much
Kommer i think still needs to work on his fitness
Missing some Sam Michael I think.
Can we make this post about 2017 and go on hypothetical situations?
I would never have thought that 6 weeks in i'd be happy and excited about young players.
I always saw the positive about developing young kids but never thought i'd be this excited about the future!
Parish and Fantasia to go with Colyer, Zach Merrett, Zaharakis for some amazing outside run!
Michael Hartley as that third tall defender to play alongside Hurley and Hooker!
Baguley's development will be huge! same with Gleeson! to have Hibberd back with them!
The development i've seen already get's me excited for what this team can do with everyone back!
(I understand not all players might come back, i understand they might never be the same! I know all that, just let me dream)
Also one word.
Patton.
Don't forget about my boy Langers and also Laverde
Hey Bomber fans
Thoughts on Courtenay Dempsey? Played three games after returning from suspension and despite being rusty in the first he was magic in the second two, finding heaps of the ball and using it superbly.
Reckon this is a distributor role he will be keeping for the rest of the season under Woosh?
Quote from: elephants on May 26, 2016, 10:58:42 AM
Hey Bomber fans
Thoughts on Courtenay Dempsey? Played three games after returning from suspension and despite being rusty in the first he was magic in the second two, finding heaps of the ball and using it superbly.
Reckon this is a distributor role he will be keeping for the rest of the season under Woosh?
He was awesome a few years back, he's always had this ability but without playing under Hird/Thompson and injuries never got a good look.
I'd like him to stay in the team this year purely because of experience, but if can play well enough maybe keep his spot next year too.
Any chance of a Grimley return this week? Would be nice
Quote from: PowerBug on June 01, 2016, 07:22:48 PM
Any chance of a Grimley return this week? Would be nice
Francis more likely he killed it in the vfl
Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 01, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Quote from: elephants on May 26, 2016, 10:58:42 AM
Hey Bomber fans
Thoughts on Courtenay Dempsey? Played three games after returning from suspension and despite being rusty in the first he was magic in the second two, finding heaps of the ball and using it superbly.
Reckon this is a distributor role he will be keeping for the rest of the season under Woosh?
He was awesome a few years back, he's always had this ability but without playing under Hird/Thompson and injuries never got a good look.
I'd like him to stay in the team this year purely because of experience, but if can play well enough maybe keep his spot next year too.
I thought he was good again against the Tiges, hopefully he can keep this up!
For 2017...
B: Baguely, Hurley, Hartley
HB: AMT. Hooker, Gleeson
C: Zaharakis, Heppell, Goddard
HF: Colyer, Daniher, Langford
FF: Fantasia, Bellchambers, Parish
R: L'berger, Z.Merrett, Myers
INT: Ambrose, J.Merrett, Parish, Laverde
(Haven't included Watson because no one know's what he's doing, and also assuming Hibberd get's traded)
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 29, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
For 2017...
B: Baguely, Hurley, Hartley
HB: AMT. Hooker, Gleeson
C: Zaharakis, Heppell, Goddard
HF: Colyer, Daniher, Langford
FF: Fantasia, Bellchambers, Parish
R: L'berger, Z.Merrett, Myers
INT: Ambrose, J.Merrett, Parish, Laverde
(Haven't included Watson because no one know's what he's doing, and also assuming Hibberd get's traded)
Francis surly? was very impressive last week
Where to Bombers fans see Heath Hocking at?
Contracted for 2017, has the seniority and experience and would assume he's a decent leader/mentor to some of the younger blokes.
Is he in or around the 22 or basically just a handy depth player at this point?
Quote from: iZander on July 29, 2016, 01:08:14 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 29, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
For 2017...
B: Baguely, Hurley, Hartley
HB: AMT. Hooker, Gleeson
C: Zaharakis, Heppell, Goddard
HF: Colyer, Daniher, Langford
FF: Fantasia, Bellchambers, Parish
R: L'berger, Z.Merrett, Myers
INT: Ambrose, J.Merrett, Parish, Laverde
(Haven't included Watson because no one know's what he's doing, and also assuming Hibberd get's traded)
Francis surly? was very impressive last week
I knew there were a couple I forgot, Francis definitley one of them. He can fit in on the bench over Ambrose.
Quote from: Nige on July 29, 2016, 01:15:10 PM
Where to Bombers fans see Heath Hocking at?
Contracted for 2017, has the seniority and experience and would assume he's a decent leader/mentor to some of the younger blokes.
Is he in or around the 22 or basically just a handy depth player at this point?
I don't think he can change his role now from being just a tagger to a ball winner, has been great for many years but don't see him fitting in.
i feel like most of our youth can have the same output as Hocking and we should play them if rebuilding
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 29, 2016, 02:56:18 PM
i feel like most of our youth can have the same output as Hocking and we should play them if rebuilding
Don't think you could say you are rebuilding you will get all or most of your experienced guys back next year so in a strange sort of way this year has allowed them to blood many young guys for many games and I expect the Bombers to field a very strong team next year.
Worsfold
'Most of our squad will only play 3 of the next 4 games'
Surely Zerrett doesn't get a rest? :'(
Quote from: _wato on August 01, 2016, 10:50:51 PM
Worsfold
'Most of our squad will only play 3 of the next 4 games'
Surely Zerrett doesn't get a rest? :'(
Really is making i reconsider Getting Zerrett in, albeit I'll have decent cover.
Yeah you probably still have to get him... 110 avg over 3 weeks, then a 75 from Petracca for example, so you'd need a bloke going well over 100 to make up any ground.
Hope he ain't out SC Granny week. Hopefully next week is his day
Quote from: _wato on August 01, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Yeah you probably still have to get him... 110 avg over 3 weeks, then a 75 from Petracca for example, so you'd need a bloke going well over 100 to make up any ground.
Hope he ain't out SC Granny week. Hopefully next week is his day
I can afford anyone, so it's a matter of overall points.
Hickey will be the F7 with Petracca DPP in the Mids, so either could cover (or both!)
Quote from: Torpedo10 on August 01, 2016, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: _wato on August 01, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Yeah you probably still have to get him... 110 avg over 3 weeks, then a 75 from Petracca for example, so you'd need a bloke going well over 100 to make up any ground.
Hope he ain't out SC Granny week. Hopefully next week is his day
I can afford anyone, so it's a matter of overall points.
Hickey will be the F7 with Petracca DPP in the Mids, so either could cover (or both!)
Gunston maybe? 113 3RA 108 5RA
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 02:42:08 AM
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
I think if we get Crouch we definitely will trade the number one pick away.
But would be awesome if we can pull it off!
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 02, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 02:42:08 AM
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
I think if we get Crouch we definitely will trade the number one pick away.
But would be awesome if we can pull it off!
Crouch is good, but he's not trading-the-first-selection good. I'd give up pick 19 and maybe a little sweetener - somebody that has impressed this year but won't get a game with our stars back.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 02, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 02:42:08 AM
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
I think if we get Crouch we definitely will trade the number one pick away.
But would be awesome if we can pull it off!
Which crouch are we linked to?
My personal opinion is Bird is best 22 next year, especially if Watson doesnt play on as we really wouldnt have many inside mids and Birds been great inside this year tbh.
Adding Crouch might change that though
Quote from: iZander on August 02, 2016, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 02, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 02:42:08 AM
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
I think if we get Crouch we definitely will trade the number one pick away.
But would be awesome if we can pull it off!
Which crouch are we linked to?
My personal opinion is Bird is best 22 next year, especially if Watson doesnt play on as we really wouldnt have many inside mids and Birds been great inside this year tbh.
Adding Crouch might change that though
Brad
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-leads-several-victorian-clubs-aiming-to-lure-out-of-contract-crow-brad-crouch-to-their-club/news-story/2bd8d5defd65cbc23c528a57ae2095bd
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: iZander on August 02, 2016, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 02, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 02:42:08 AM
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
I think if we get Crouch we definitely will trade the number one pick away.
But would be awesome if we can pull it off!
Which crouch are we linked to?
My personal opinion is Bird is best 22 next year, especially if Watson doesnt play on as we really wouldnt have many inside mids and Birds been great inside this year tbh.
Adding Crouch might change that though
Brad
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-leads-several-victorian-clubs-aiming-to-lure-out-of-contract-crow-brad-crouch-to-their-club/news-story/2bd8d5defd65cbc23c528a57ae2095bd
omg that is good news, i reckon another inside mid would be great for us next year, exactly what we need :P
Just read that we're interested in Jake Stringer, five-year contract at $1mil a year...
Heard you guys were looking to sign Sun Yang as well.
Quote from: Jukes on August 09, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Just read that we're interested in Jake Stringer, five-year contract at $1mil a year...
He's contracted for the next 2 seasons so that might make it a bit difficult.
Quote from: meow meow on August 09, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 09, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Just read that we're interested in Jake Stringer, five-year contract at $1mil a year...
He's contracted for the next 2 seasons so that might make it a bit difficult.
1. we offer him big money
2. he says he wants out of the dogs and to the dons
3. we offer the dogs pick 19 and the use of our trophy cabinet on family days OR we offer Hurley
4. done
The GOAT signs on :')
Billings lol
Quote from: iZander on August 02, 2016, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: iZander on August 02, 2016, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 02, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 02:42:08 AM
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
I think if we get Crouch we definitely will trade the number one pick away.
But would be awesome if we can pull it off!
Which crouch are we linked to?
My personal opinion is Bird is best 22 next year, especially if Watson doesnt play on as we really wouldnt have many inside mids and Birds been great inside this year tbh.
Adding Crouch might change that though
Brad
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-leads-several-victorian-clubs-aiming-to-lure-out-of-contract-crow-brad-crouch-to-their-club/news-story/2bd8d5defd65cbc23c528a57ae2095bd
omg that is good news, i reckon another inside mid would be great for us next year, exactly what we need :P
i might be wrong but isnt the article saying Essendon is the Victorian team that most wants crouch?
I would think that Essendon would pretty much be the vicotrian team he would least want to go to.
reports earlier in the year said he had met with Hawks and North only. I reckon if he does go it will be to the hawks.
Quote from: Holz on August 10, 2016, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: iZander on August 02, 2016, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: iZander on August 02, 2016, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 02, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 02, 2016, 02:42:08 AM
Have seen us linked to Billings (and of course Crouch) recently - if we could grab one of them, Patton, and take Brodie first pick I'd be very happy.
I think if we get Crouch we definitely will trade the number one pick away.
But would be awesome if we can pull it off!
Which crouch are we linked to?
My personal opinion is Bird is best 22 next year, especially if Watson doesnt play on as we really wouldnt have many inside mids and Birds been great inside this year tbh.
Adding Crouch might change that though
Brad
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-leads-several-victorian-clubs-aiming-to-lure-out-of-contract-crow-brad-crouch-to-their-club/news-story/2bd8d5defd65cbc23c528a57ae2095bd
omg that is good news, i reckon another inside mid would be great for us next year, exactly what we need :P
i might be wrong but isnt the article saying Essendon is the Victorian team that most wants crouch?
I would think that Essendon would pretty much be the vicotrian team he would least want to go to.
reports earlier in the year said he had met with Hawks and North only. I reckon if he does go it will be to the hawks.
Reported last night on 7 news by a reporter who is employed by the club that Crouch has signed on and will be announced in the coming weeks
So just curious as to who you Bombers fans think might get delisted?
One name I will throw in is Kommer,seems Tipungwuti has taken his spot,would that be correct?
Quote from: LF on August 25, 2016, 05:13:22 PM
So just curious as to who you Bombers fans think might get delisted?
One name I will throw in is Kommer,seems Tipungwuti has taken his spot,would that be correct?
yeah he has been replaced by Tippa and Colyer but not sure if he will get delisted
guys i think might be
Courtenay Dempsey
Shaun Edwards
James Gwilt
Gach Nyuon (off field issues)
Tippa & Hams should get promoted to senior list
Gwilt and Dempsey might shock some but don't think they will play much next year i don't expect both to go but would think 1will
Thanks KB
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 26, 2016, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: LF on August 25, 2016, 05:13:22 PM
So just curious as to who you Bombers fans think might get delisted?
One name I will throw in is Kommer,seems Tipungwuti has taken his spot,would that be correct?
yeah he has been replaced by Tippa and Colyer but not sure if he will get delisted
guys i think might be
Courtenay Dempsey
Shaun Edwards
James Gwilt
Gach Nyuon (off field issues)
Tippa & Hams should get promoted to senior list
Gwilt and Dempsey might shock some but don't think they will play much next year i don't expect both to go but would think 1will
No way we'll delist Nyuon (even with the off-field issue) as he's a rookie so doesn't take up a spot on the senior list & he's a ruckman in his first year... he'll get at least 1-2 more to prove himself. The rest probably about right. Won't be surprised if Ashby/Kommer also go.
McKernan probably on the way out too tbh
I'd say Smack, Dempsey, Edwards, Gwilt, Kommer, and Ashby are the guys to be delisted, with Coon retiring. Nyuon depends on how he goes off-the-field.
Jaeger being heavily linked with us now...
QuoteESSENDON coach John Worsfold says he would love to have Jaeger O’Meara at the Bombers next season.
O’Meara walked out on the Gold Coast Suns last week.
Worsfold said O’Meara, 22, fitted the club’s short and long term recruiting strategies.
“We would love to have him at Essendon, absolutely,†he said.
“We are a club that is in a position now to build our list to win premierships in the short term.
“We are looking that over the next six or seven years, to have a squad that will rapidly get back up the ladder and hopefully challenge.
“Players that are around that 22-23 year old age bracket are perfect fits for us, especially ones as talented as an O’Meara.â€
Quote from: Jukes on August 28, 2016, 04:11:23 PM
Jaeger being heavily linked with us now...
QuoteESSENDON coach John Worsfold says he would love to have Jaeger O’Meara at the Bombers next season.
O’Meara walked out on the Gold Coast Suns last week.
Worsfold said O’Meara, 22, fitted the club’s short and long term recruiting strategies.
“We would love to have him at Essendon, absolutely,†he said.
“We are a club that is in a position now to build our list to win premierships in the short term.
“We are looking that over the next six or seven years, to have a squad that will rapidly get back up the ladder and hopefully challenge.
“Players that are around that 22-23 year old age bracket are perfect fits for us, especially ones as talented as an O’Meara.â€
i mean its good but i just hope we dont overpay :/
Quote from: iZander on August 29, 2016, 12:29:40 AM
Quote from: Jukes on August 28, 2016, 04:11:23 PM
Jaeger being heavily linked with us now...
QuoteESSENDON coach John Worsfold says he would love to have Jaeger O’Meara at the Bombers next season.
O’Meara walked out on the Gold Coast Suns last week.
Worsfold said O’Meara, 22, fitted the club’s short and long term recruiting strategies.
“We would love to have him at Essendon, absolutely,†he said.
“We are a club that is in a position now to build our list to win premierships in the short term.
“We are looking that over the next six or seven years, to have a squad that will rapidly get back up the ladder and hopefully challenge.
“Players that are around that 22-23 year old age bracket are perfect fits for us, especially ones as talented as an O’Meara.â€
i mean its good but i just hope we dont overpay :/
He has said he wants to leave, so can't imagine his asking price will be monumental. Could even go through the PSD?
Quote from: Jukes on August 29, 2016, 02:46:22 AM
Quote from: iZander on August 29, 2016, 12:29:40 AM
Quote from: Jukes on August 28, 2016, 04:11:23 PM
Jaeger being heavily linked with us now...
QuoteESSENDON coach John Worsfold says he would love to have Jaeger O’Meara at the Bombers next season.
O’Meara walked out on the Gold Coast Suns last week.
Worsfold said O’Meara, 22, fitted the club’s short and long term recruiting strategies.
“We would love to have him at Essendon, absolutely,†he said.
“We are a club that is in a position now to build our list to win premierships in the short term.
“We are looking that over the next six or seven years, to have a squad that will rapidly get back up the ladder and hopefully challenge.
“Players that are around that 22-23 year old age bracket are perfect fits for us, especially ones as talented as an O’Meara.â€
i mean its good but i just hope we dont overpay :/
He has said he wants to leave, so can't imagine his asking price will be monumental. Could even go through the PSD?
Yeah true, if pick 1 is involved i wonder what we get with him? :P
if we can pick up jom, then with heppell, zerrett, watson, zaharakis, parish, make a good looking mid group. zaha should escape the tag as well. play goddard as def +1 getting excited already
Quote from: crowls on September 05, 2016, 11:52:21 PM
if we can pick up jom, then with heppell, zerrett, watson, zaharakis, parish, make a good looking mid group. zaha should escape the tag as well. play goddard as def +1 getting excited already
Dont forget about Mcluggggaaggge (or the likes)
Also Bird solid this year, think i read somewhere he was 4th in the AFL for pressure points? Although probs a bit more forward time next year :P
the players banned is over in 8 days ;D
Quote from: iZander on September 05, 2016, 11:55:28 PM
Quote from: crowls on September 05, 2016, 11:52:21 PM
if we can pick up jom, then with heppell, zerrett, watson, zaharakis, parish, make a good looking mid group. zaha should escape the tag as well. play goddard as def +1 getting excited already
Dont forget about Mcluggggaaggge (or the likes)
Also Bird solid this year, think i read somewhere he was 4th in the AFL for pressure points? Although probs a bit more forward time next year :P
Brendon Fevola would be proud!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 06, 2016, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: iZander on September 05, 2016, 11:55:28 PM
Quote from: crowls on September 05, 2016, 11:52:21 PM
if we can pick up jom, then with heppell, zerrett, watson, zaharakis, parish, make a good looking mid group. zaha should escape the tag as well. play goddard as def +1 getting excited already
Dont forget about Mcluggggaaggge (or the likes)
Also Bird solid this year, think i read somewhere he was 4th in the AFL for pressure points? Although probs a bit more forward time next year :P
Brendon Fevola would be proud!
hahahahaha made me lol
kommer wont go, he has missed a lot of footy and has another interrupted preseason he only just started to come good at the end of the year. we even had to pull him mid year to build up some leg strength. I doubt they'd have bought him this far to delist him. You could play tippa, kommer, colyer, fantasia in the same side easy.
Gach, you're not gonna throw away a project player over a drunken argument with a cab driver (hurly 2.0). He wasn't even charged.
cooney, gwilt, pears already gone.
ashby, Edwards, dempsy, will all go. I also think J-Merrett is done. (7 already, which I think is enough)
Laverde and Hibbo look like they could both be traded (9), wouldn't want to turn over your list too much imo
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2016-09-16/list-changes-jason-ashby
Ashby gone.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2016-09-19/list-changes-shaun-edwards
another one bites the dust
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2016-09-20/list-changes-tom-wallis
ruthless, one season == not up to scratch
Damo Reporting that Jobe will call a presser tomorrow to announce he'll be playing next year :D