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Title: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on January 13, 2015, 04:11:09 pm
As voted, we now have a separate thread to talk about all things tactics related. Everyone can help anyone, and comment if you have a thought, because generally people will chip in if they see a comment they think is incorrect.

If you have issues with setting orders in general, or on a particular pitch/weather combo, or against different opponents, this is the thread. Try to provide as much information as possible, which will assist those assisting you :)

Who wants to go first?
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: DazBurg on January 13, 2015, 04:43:57 pm
sticky

gimmie everything you guys got...lol
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Hellopplz on January 13, 2015, 06:30:37 pm
Pitches made for upsets! I bat first on a sticky and used to work a treat. Mainly because it is very bowler heavy influence, so setting a target is easier to defend when the pressure is on the opponent's batting lineup and your own bowlers would be fresher when bowling second anyway (as not fielding 50 overs first).

And wouldn't recommend more than 1 Agro Batters (2 complete MAX) because of it being bowler heavy. I ire on the side of caution and play 1 Agro at most (late middle order usually) and like 4-5 guys on Defensive.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: JBs-Hawks on January 13, 2015, 06:42:18 pm
Tactic #1: Pull UAE

Tactic #2: Repeat
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: DazBurg on January 13, 2015, 08:32:56 pm
Tactic #1: Pull UAE

Tactic #2: Repeat
^^^^^
This times infinity :D
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on January 13, 2015, 10:03:30 pm
Whenever I get a Sticky wicket, the first thing I do is remove all aggression form my orders, batting definitely, and even bowling to a certain extent. Humid/Hot weather changes things a bit, but when it comes to Sunny, Cloudy, Overcast, Windy, I love to bat first and score 170-200, then defend like crazy.

I haven't got many recent matches on a Sticky, unfortunately the latest ones I have, between me and an opponent that rates similar, are where I pull off ridiculous upsets. I may as well post them though haha. So my first is from two months ago, where I played Cyrus in a match on Sunny/Sticky
http://www.fromthepavilion.org/scorecard.htm?gameId=2958149

My reasoning behind the friendly was to see what I'd rate without the oldest lads (Wardlaw and Zahra). So at the time, it was a 30 and younger friendly. The bowlers I went in with were of nice variety, but Harry Roach is very very weak, only outs/outs with roughly the same power at that time. So 2rfm, 1lm, 1rfs, 1rws was my lineup

So I'll point out the key things from these orders:
- My best three batsmen batted at 3, 5, and 6. This allowed for an early wicket and to have someone there to consolidate, or if his opening bowlers were to rip through me with an Aggressive spell, then I'll still have quality to help me along.

- My opening bowling overs. I'm privileged enough to have a New Ball Bowler Medium. Not many like this, but I love it for the reason above, 7 overs on a pitch like this, on defensive. He's only spec/spec with about accomplished power at the time, and if you look at his figures, 7.5-0-14-2, it shows how great that opening 7 was. I think it can work with any medium, I've trialled it with a normal medium in NATs a fair bit, and I still get good results.

- Close with the weak bowlers. No need to bowl 50 overs on a Sticky, you want to wrap up the result before then. Roach (outs/outs) and Mupariwa are my weakest, I close with them. It's a big risk, as if you don't get the wickets, things can get really ugly at the close. But if you have better bowlers, then you back them in.

- Limited Aggression. It's not necessary to take wickets early, I've gone with two 5 over attacking spells, I felt that was necessary as I was playing a stronger team and needed early inroads. Which didn't come from Kuhlengisa or Austin for that matter, so I guess i was lucky there.

- Finally, and this goes for every match I think, the "key" overs. To me, they are from around the 30 mark (Plus/minus 1) to the 40 mark (Plus/minus 1). In this time you want your best on, and you want to attack BEFORE the end of the 35th over. Teams start to chase the runs after the 35th over is bowled, it is not necessary to attack after this over, but attack before it, as if you take one in this period, you can bag a couple straight after the 35th.

Idk if that helps, I just wanted to show off another upset win. I need to find times where I screwed up though, just to show I'm not that good.




I have my own question, how do people have success on a Dry pitch in the first 10 overs with the ball? Everything I try fails, meanwhile my opponents find a way to take two wickets...
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: JBs-Hawks on January 13, 2015, 10:21:19 pm
On a Dry i usually just go with my seamers for 5 each, one on N one on A.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: nrich102 on January 13, 2015, 10:35:09 pm
What approach should I take to playing bots? So far I've pretty much just made everyone aggressive, hoping to get the highest score possible, regardless of pitch. Am I taking the wrong approach?
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on January 13, 2015, 11:26:07 pm
What approach should I take to playing bots? So far I've pretty much just made everyone aggressive, hoping to get the highest score possible, regardless of pitch. Am I taking the wrong approach?

 i'd be interested in the experts view on this too.

i set aggressive batting orders when i am sure i will win too, but i generally avoid batsmen on aggressive because they seem to score no more than normal, and just get out a LOT quicker. so therefore score less
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Torpedo10 on January 14, 2015, 09:51:27 am
On a Dry i usually just go with my seamers for 5 each, one on N one on A.
That seems to be a common mistake.

I always approach the first 10 overs defensively with seamers on a Dry. No aggression at all, always pick up 2 wickets during the first ten.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: DazBurg on January 14, 2015, 03:43:34 pm
i think you can have a mixture i've had 1 on A and 1 on D
with varying success
usually if not a wicket they have built pressure to ensure wickets have fallen in the next 10
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on January 14, 2015, 07:13:28 pm
question?

in which circumstances do you bat first and which do you bowl first?
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on January 14, 2015, 07:49:37 pm
question?

in which circumstances do you bat first and which do you bowl first?
Because I feel like it, I'll do all 48 combinations for you. In my opinion, obviously. And this is for the 50 over game only as well. :)

Sticky
Sunny - Bat
Cloudy - Bat
Overcast - Bat
Humid - 50/50
Hot - Bowl
Windy - 50/50

Uneven
Sunny - 25/75 Bowl
Cloudy - 50/50
Overcast - 75/25 Bat
Humid - 50/50
Hot - Bowl
Windy - Bowl

Green
Sunny - Bat
Cloudy - Bat
Overcast - Bat
Humid - Bat
Hot - Bowl
Windy - 25/75 Bowl

Hard
Sunny - Bowl
Cloudy - Bowl
Overcast - Bowl
Humid - 50/50
Hot - Bowl
Windy - Bowl

Flat
Sunny - 25/75 Bowl
Cloudy - 25/75 Bowl
Overcast - 25/75 Bowl
Humid - Bowl
Hot - Bowl
Windy - Bowl

Slow
Sunny - Bat
Cloudy - 75/25 Bat
Overcast - 75/25 Bat
Humid - 50/50
Hot - Bowl
Windy - Bat

Dry
Sunny - Bat
Cloudy - Bowl
Overcast - Bowl
Humid - Absolutely no clue
Hot - Bat
Windy - Bat

Crumbling
Sunny - Bat
Cloudy - Bat
Overcast - Bat
Humid - Bat
Hot - Bat
Windy - Bat

This is assuming you are expecting a tight match. If you have an easy match and you need NRR then bat first more often, if it's an easy PC game then bowl first more often.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on January 14, 2015, 09:05:17 pm
thanks PB :)

where you have 25/75 Bowl - do you mean 75% best to bowl? 
where you have 75/25 bat - do you mean 75% best to bat?

seems pretty obvious but just checking.

and printed and added to my how to not suck at FTP file.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on January 14, 2015, 09:28:13 pm
thanks PB :)

where you have 25/75 Bowl - do you mean 75% best to bowl? 
where you have 75/25 bat - do you mean 75% best to bat?

seems pretty obvious but just checking.

and printed and added to my how to not suck at FTP file.
Yeah that's right. I obviously look at my opponent's strength when in doubt on what to do. Don't quote me though, others may have different ideas, especially the Crumbling section. I think batting and trying to defend anything that is given to you is the way to go.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on January 14, 2015, 09:45:47 pm
thanks mate, and i know its different on different pitches but lets just say differentiate between bowling friendly and batting friendly pitches.

if you bat first do you attack with your bowling or defend? and attack or defend with batting? "generally"

and if you bowl first?
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on January 14, 2015, 09:55:51 pm
thanks mate, and i know its different on different pitches but lets just say differentiate between bowling friendly and batting friendly pitches.

if you bat first do you attack with your bowling or defend? and attack or defend with batting? "generally"

and if you bowl first?
I think the general rule I hear is Bat first on the bowling pitches, bowl first on the batting pitches.

I'm a very conservative manager, so I will use more defensive orders than attacking orders in almost every game. If I want to bowl first then I'll attack with the bowling a little more. Batting is generally a few guys on 'D', spread out (E.g. 3, 6, 9) and the rest on normal. If you have a long tail (AR at 8 ), then definitely have someone attacking with the bat, if not two.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: DazBurg on January 15, 2015, 05:48:51 am
thanks mate, and i know its different on different pitches but lets just say differentiate between bowling friendly and batting friendly pitches.

if you bat first do you attack with your bowling or defend? and attack or defend with batting? "generally"

and if you bowl first?
I think the general rule I hear is Bat first on the bowling pitches, bowl first on the batting pitches.

I'm a very conservative manager, so I will use more defensive orders than attacking orders in almost every game. If I want to bowl first then I'll attack with the bowling a little more. Batting is generally a few guys on 'D', spread out (E.g. 3, 6, 9) and the rest on normal. If you have a long tail (AR at 8 ), then definitely have someone attacking with the bat, if not two.

yah i'm the same i have no one on A in battig but usually have 1 openr on D and 4,5 on D who are both boundary hitters
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: CrowsFan on January 15, 2015, 12:16:00 pm
How do I set tactics? For the last few seasons I have just relied on having a far superior rating side... :P
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: R.Griffen on January 15, 2015, 02:13:51 pm
Press on the orders before the game starts and change them to suit your players and he pitch. If you haven't changed the pitch settings go into the'ground' page and change them to what you want to play on
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: CrowsFan on January 15, 2015, 06:46:39 pm
Sorry I should have said "winning tactics", I do know how to enter the orders page. It was a joke anyway...
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on January 18, 2015, 09:34:22 am
On a Dry i usually just go with my seamers for 5 each, one on N one on A.
That seems to be a common mistake.

I always approach the first 10 overs defensively with seamers on a Dry. No aggression at all, always pick up 2 wickets during the first ten.
So I had success for the first time on a Dry wicket in the first ten overs...
My Main kept my affiliate to 24/1 after 10. Then my affiliate kept my main to 29/1 after 10 overs. ::)
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 02, 2015, 10:45:35 pm
not wanting to coninue asking questions in the wrong thread i'll ask here.

what age do you start training a batsmen / fast bowlers power at? 22,3,4,?

And what do you train it to in relation to the primaries?

and if you have a bowler only spin bowler at say spec/spec at 25 or 26 do you train them any power at all?
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: AFEV on February 02, 2015, 11:02:00 pm
not wanting to coninue asking questions in the wrong thread i'll ask here.

what age do you start training a batsmen / fast bowlers power at? 22,3,4,?

And what do you train it to in relation to the primaries?

and if you have a bowler only spin bowler at say spec/spec at 25 or 26 do you train them any power at all?
It depends entirely on your squad balance. If you've got a young batsman (22-23) who is playing in your first XI and is an important part of your batting line-up (not protected by more experienced players/deep batting) then I would put some power on them first. Perhaps up to capable or reliable and then back to primaries before reassessing at 25. I have always felt I leave power training quite late though, as I'm a little obsessive about getting players to the highest possible skills, which often can result in some impotence early on.
Fast bowlers it would be more important to get that power in early to make them useful as they will eventually need a heavy excess of it anyway, you'd want reliable or accomplished during their 24th year at least, otherwise they probably won't perform to potential until much later in their twenties.

Personally regarding primaries, it is custom for me to train players to have the best primaries possible without sacrificing secondaries whatsoever. Finding this balance I'm sure differs from manager to manager depending on their secondary standards, but the majority of long term managers I think you'd find would be very finicky about each player meeting whatever their own secondary standards are. For me, if that means a player only reaches spec/spec (or less, depends on circumstances) it is far more important that their secondaries are up to scratch. So basically pick whatever your power standard will be (on a batsman I'd want spectacular+ at the end point) would take priority, and you adjust primary training based on how each individual player is tracking.

Would not ever train power outright on a finger spinner unless they were an all-rounder. A spec/spec 25 year old finger spinner, assuming they have good fielding and endurance, can still make it to excep/excep if you can tolerate the wages. FS benefit the least from the power so I would not find it to be an efficient use of those years of training, especially when they're 25-26 you're basically condemning them to 5+ seasons of secondary training that (if they've been properly trained) they shouldn't really need at that point. If you don't want to pay the high primary wages for a finger spin bowler, load up on fielding and endurance. I have usually found that my finger spinners have ended up with an extra 1-2 fielding levels over whatever is the standard for my squad, because they have less useful skills to train.

You will find a bit of division over whether to train power on a WS though, it's definitely beneficial to have (more so than a FS) that extra power, however they won't require as much as your fast or fast medium bowlers. I would say use your own experience to try and discover the power levels you like on a WS bowler, because this one definitely varies a bit from manager to manager and you won't really find a consensus.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 02, 2015, 11:18:23 pm
thanks AFEV awesome answer. even if there isn't a consensus :)
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: AFEV on February 02, 2015, 11:42:46 pm
Yep, closest you'll get to a consensus is that you do need **some**, but just how much will depend on who you're asking. :)
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 15, 2015, 10:05:54 pm
got my deluxe youth academy :)
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Hellopplz on February 17, 2015, 05:42:08 pm
Awesome Colli! What's your SA at, as I've found it hard to manage both academies at the same time in lower divisions unless you make some money from selling players/maintaining wages well.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 17, 2015, 06:21:37 pm
Awesome Colli! What's your SA at, as I've found it hard to manage both academies at the same time in lower divisions unless you make some money from selling players/maintaining wages well.

excellent senior, and yeah im struggling, next seasons senior pay increases could be too much.

easy to make money buying and selling players but have to do it (buy) enough in advance so they are ready to sell when and as I need to.

still if i get stuck i do have a few very very good youths i could sell and a few seniors left i'll get between 100 and 250k for.

be nice to actually make money each week tho :)

Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Hellopplz on February 17, 2015, 06:35:52 pm
I've forgotten what it is like to make a profit in a week, lucky to do it once a season (If I sell players in the off season) :'(. Otherwise it's been a good 5+ seasons probably since it occurred otherwise.

Good plan to sell some players to make a profit. Easy indeed if you buy some cheap guys and grow them a bit then sell at the right time early in the season. Why when buying handy to look at spare ratings + wages + secondaries possibly, if just going to sell in a bit. Otherwise the back up is to sell players. I've done that before and brought in some money to stay afloat.

I had my academies at Lux SA and Lavish YA for several seasons as to not pressure my bank balance. Now I've upped them to Deluxe and Lux now that I keep comfortably over the 1 Mil mark (as I don't buy players). Being home grown, pretty much means I just sell players when they turn 20 if they don't fit my senior side, or I sell some primed players if I have better prospects promoting. Really helped my Transfer differential as I don't buy besides the occasional 16 year old if needed!


Total Purchases: $2,205,533        Average (per purchase): $12,531
Total Sales:   $7,677,900        Average (per sale): $31,467
Net Balance: $5,472,367        Number of transfers: 420
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 17, 2015, 08:21:43 pm
thanks, yes im going to have to buy and sell to stay afloat, try do that until i get to a point where i actually break even, or downgrade one academy and squad until i can afford to do both well.

my affiliate is in a way better position, just worked out that way.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: DazBurg on February 24, 2015, 08:59:49 pm
still terrible on the sticky pitches
20/20 tonight i lost by 5 wickets

    Staten Island Stapletons    DazBurg's Greatness
Batting - Top Order    13,001    11,721
Batting - Middle Order    7,738    8,459
Batting - Tail    4,410    4,732
Bowling - Seam    8,340 (16)    13,742 (12)
Bowling - Spin    13,946 (4)    11,496 (8)
Fielding/Keeping    12,952    15,465
Overall    182,352    205,533
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 24, 2015, 09:04:01 pm
Do people Bowl or Bat first on Slows?
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: DazBurg on February 24, 2015, 09:11:44 pm
Do people Bowl or Bat first on Slows?
i usually bat
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Hellopplz on February 24, 2015, 10:12:57 pm
Yeah, usually bat myself. Then have seen others go really defensive in their bowling orders in order to try and restrict the opponent (with the pressure of chasing) to try and win the game.

Ouch Daz, stickies are really unpredictable and cause them :(. I am still bad at like every pitch. I need serious help with my orders :(.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on February 25, 2015, 11:09:10 am
Do people Bowl or Bat first on Slows?
i usually bat
Agreed.


And after being a bat first at all costs person in t20, I'm starting to find results in bowling first. In t20, whether you bat or bowl first, bowl defensively, and if you have one AR, then you can play an aggressive bat. On a pitch like Sticky or crumbling, I'd play one of the top three on defensive, just so someone can try to bat the whole 20 overs.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: DazBurg on February 25, 2015, 07:18:18 pm
Do people Bowl or Bat first on Slows?
i usually bat
Agreed.


And after being a bat first at all costs person in t20, I'm starting to find results in bowling first. In t20, whether you bat or bowl first, bowl defensively, and if you have one AR, then you can play an aggressive bat. On a pitch like Sticky or crumbling, I'd play one of the top three on defensive, just so someone can try to bat the whole 20 overs.

my orders had alot of defensive batting and bowling no aggressive maybe too defensive
dunno
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on February 25, 2015, 08:51:12 pm
I'd still want to try and take wickets, even if it's 3 single overs spread out throughout the 20.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on May 14, 2015, 07:36:08 pm
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2q87fbs.jpg)

Big game this weekend. My current orders for the game. People's thoughts? I think I'm happy going in with that 11, it's just how I play it that will determine my fate.
http://www.fromthepavilion.org/seniors.htm?teamId=859
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Nige on May 14, 2015, 09:20:54 pm
The picture is kill PB.  :P
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on May 14, 2015, 09:23:48 pm
The picture is kill PB.  :P
In what way? :P
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Hellopplz on May 14, 2015, 11:23:10 pm
Picture was removed or deleted :P.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on May 15, 2015, 07:51:38 am
Oh crap yeah might need to fix that :P
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Nige on May 15, 2015, 08:14:45 am
Oh crap yeah might need to fix that :P
Use imgur, much better.
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on May 15, 2015, 12:57:14 pm
Picture there again :)
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Hellopplz on May 16, 2015, 10:06:33 pm
Conservative orders, but works well rather than going overly Aggressive if opponent is dangerous. Got 2 Seam Specs which will come in handy for the conditions.

Can Gomes handle the 7 overs straight with the ball and not fade towards the end of those overs? If you get to bowl first then should be fine. Why I tend to ire to 6 overs than 7 over opening spells (but fair to say I have rarely tried 7 overs to start).
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: Torpedo10 on August 08, 2015, 05:57:45 pm
Been awfully quiet here:

Anyone have any questions?
Title: Re: Improve Your Game
Post by: PowerBug on August 08, 2015, 05:58:37 pm
Been awfully quiet here:

Anyone have any questions?
How do I become as good as you?? :-*