i'm bored with trading done so why not
Saints a no brainer i think will be bottom 4
Dogs i think will be after losing Cooney and Griff
Carlton could be i think since they didn't get any replacement for Waite will really hurt
Melbourne probably has the other spot
GWS could be in there again but i don' think they will be
Carlton is the big surprise i just think they are not better then many teams
Saints, Melbourne, Adelaide, Bulldogs/Carlton/GWS is my guess
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 16, 2014, 03:48:38 PM
Saints, Melbourne, Adelaide, Bulldogs/Carlton/GWS is my guess
lol
Dogs and Giants won't be.
Saints, Dees and Carlton will I reckon.
Not sure about the other.
Quote from: TomK on October 16, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 16, 2014, 03:48:38 PM
Saints, Melbourne, Adelaide, Bulldogs/Carlton/GWS is my guess
lol
from the bottom up, if Sauce goes down even with Lowden you guys are screwed, you rely on way too fewer players unforunately, and if they go down, whelp.. :p
18. Saints
17. Carlton
16. Melbourne
15. Western Bulldogs
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Quote from: TomK on October 16, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 16, 2014, 03:48:38 PM
Saints, Melbourne, Adelaide, Bulldogs/Carlton/GWS is my guess
lol
from the bottom up, if Sauce goes down even with Lowden you guys are screwed, you rely on way too fewer players unforunately, and if they go down, whelp.. :p
Injuries aside, you seriously can't see us a bottom 4 side. 6 games under two goals we lost and being a young side other then Thommo. We are on the way up.
Might as well just make it a ladder prediction thread I reckon haha
Saints, Dees, Dogs, Blues for bottom 4 IMO
Quote from: GoLions on October 16, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Might as well just make it a ladder prediction thread I reckon haha
Saints, Dees, Dogs, Blues for bottom 4 IMO
well predicting positions like 4th-12th is just impossible
Think the tiers of teams will be something like this:
Genuine contenders: Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Sydney
Contenders: Fremantle, North Melbourne
In the race for finals: Geelong, Gold Coast, Richmond, West Coast, Essendon
Not quite there: Adelaide, Collingwood, Brisbane, GWS
Bottom 4: St Kilda, Melbourne, Western Bulldogs, Carlton
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 16, 2014, 03:46:29 PM
Carlton could be i think since they didn't get any replacement for Waite will really hurt
They got Liam Jones as a replacement for Waite.
edit: and Jaksch
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 16, 2014, 03:46:29 PM
Carlton could be i think since they didn't get any replacement for Waite will really hurt
They got Liam Jones as a replacement for Waite.
edit: and Jaksch
loooooooooooool
15 GWS
16 Bullies
17 Melb
18 Saints
I would be seriously surprised if the giants finished bottom 4.
The Dogs have just 5 players who have played more than 80 games :o
15. GWS
16. Dogs
17. Saints
18. Melb
Quote from: Toga on October 16, 2014, 04:03:27 PM
Think the tiers of teams will be something like this:
Genuine contenders: Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Sydney
Contenders: Fremantle, North Melbourne
In the race for finals: Geelong, Gold Coast, Richmond, West Coast, Essendon
Not quite there: Adelaide, Collingwood, Brisbane, GWS
Bottom 4: St Kilda, Melbourne, Western Bulldogs, Carlton
The Togemobile and myself seem to be on the same page, as always. I posted this in the Lions board yesterdayyyyyyy
Quote from: GoLions on October 15, 2014, 06:15:01 PM
Port, Hawks
Swans, North, Freo
Suns, Cats
Bombers, Tiges, Eagles
Lions, Crows, Pies, GWS
Blues, Dees, Dogs, Saints
So 11th-14th for us I'd say is about right for next year, although Eagles/Bombers/Tiges could be in one of the tiers above or below where I currently have them that.
I think you undersell a bit GL.
if the draw keeps going the same sort of way, finishing 15th you will get hopefully 6 wins from playing (6 games?) against the saints, dees, GWS and dogs. means all you need to get to the top 8 is another 6 wins?
Pies, GC, Blues, Adelaide and maybe West Coast at home?
Pinch a road victory and you are there.
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 16, 2014, 06:10:02 PM
I think you undersell a bit GL.
if the draw keeps going the same sort of way, finishing 15th you will get hopefully 6 wins from playing (6 games?) against the saints, dees, GWS and dogs. means all you need to get to the top 8 is another 6 wins?
Pies, GC, Blues, Adelaide and maybe West Coast at home?
Pinch a road victory and you are there.
Our list is still fairly young, which means inconsistency. I think we have the potential to challenge for finals, but can't really see it happening this year, as we're bound to drop a few games that we should win.
Well said GL and agree with you - Key Forward is our issue atm. If we can not capitilise up front then we may struggle hence why I am predicting 9 - 12 this year
Not willing to make any predictions until the fixture is out. Not to mention the draft/s.
Best midfield in the comp?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dayne-beams-joins-allen-christensen-tom-rockliff-daniel-rich-and-co-in-brisbane-lions-starstudded-midfield/story-fni5f4q3-1227091698173
Even the coach thinks you could play finals next year
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-2014-dayne-beams-trade-bolsters-brisbanes-hopes-of-playing-finals-for-years-to-come/story-fni5f4q3-1227091626647
Have faith brother!! :P
at this stage, Saints, Mebourne, Carlton and Dogs imo
Saints and Melbourne for sure you'd think... really not sure who the other 2 will be
Cooney and Higgins had a sook and left because they were told that they were no certainties to be starters next year, due to the plethora of talent coming through. No loss there.
Griff is a loss, no doubt. But the improvement of the youngens + having a 40 goal forward added to the team offsets his loss. Big Boyd will free up Stringer and Crameri a bit. Our mids will cope.
I can't see any reason why we would go backwards. The Lions and Giants have added some quality though, and might leap over us. We don't even need to tank to get yet another top talent pick to add to all the rest, it'll happen whether we try or not. But with all the top end young talent coming through, we should rename ourselves GWM.
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 16, 2014, 06:36:36 PM
Best midfield in the comp?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dayne-beams-joins-allen-christensen-tom-rockliff-daniel-rich-and-co-in-brisbane-lions-starstudded-midfield/story-fni5f4q3-1227091698173
Even the coach thinks you could play finals next year
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-2014-dayne-beams-trade-bolsters-brisbanes-hopes-of-playing-finals-for-years-to-come/story-fni5f4q3-1227091626647
Have faith brother!! :P
We have faith but as I posted in the Brisbane thread who drops out as some teams have improved as well. just being realistic
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 16, 2014, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 16, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 16, 2014, 03:48:38 PM
Saints, Melbourne, Adelaide, Bulldogs/Carlton/GWS is my guess
lol
from the bottom up, if Sauce goes down even with Lowden you guys are screwed, you rely on way too fewer players unforunately, and if they go down, whelp.. :p
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xCkhE5RHy8A/U9LJeb1qnAI/AAAAAAAAUqk/Tp0zuNQoTik/s1600/well,+there+it+is.+the+stupidest+F'cking+thing+I'll+read+all+day.jpg)
So now we base predictions on the team's most important player being injured? Sauce has been very durable over his career. I dare say that if Lobbe went down, Port would struggle majorly too...
Name your stakes, I bet you Crows won't finish bottom 4.
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
I can't see any reason why we would go backwards. The Lions and Giants have added some quality though, and might leap over us.
This is the main reason I think the Dogs might finish bottom four. Don't think they have necessarily gone backwards, but other teams look like they might leapfrog them
Quote from: Jayman on October 16, 2014, 10:39:46 PM
I dare say that if Lobbe went down, Port would struggle majorly too...
Mmm, probably not now they have Ryder.
Ftr, don't think Crows will finish bottom 4.
Quote from: Toga on October 16, 2014, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
I can't see any reason why we would go backwards. The Lions and Giants have added some quality though, and might leap over us.
This is the main reason I think the Dogs might finish bottom four. Don't think they have necessarily gone backwards, but other teams look like they might leapfrog them
That's what I feel as well. I mean, you've also lost a fair few players who had roles either in your 22 or at least on the fringe.
Saints
Saints
Saints
Saints
Quote from: elephants on October 16, 2014, 11:37:12 PM
Quote from: Jayman on October 16, 2014, 10:39:46 PM
I dare say that if Lobbe went down, Port would struggle majorly too...
Mmm, probably not now they have Ryder.
Ftr, don't think Crows will finish bottom 4.
Yeah forgot about Ryder, but my point still stands. If you take away a team's most important player, the expectations are obviously going to be different.
Quote from: Jayman on October 17, 2014, 12:52:52 AM
Quote from: elephants on October 16, 2014, 11:37:12 PM
Quote from: Jayman on October 16, 2014, 10:39:46 PM
I dare say that if Lobbe went down, Port would struggle majorly too...
Mmm, probably not now they have Ryder.
Ftr, don't think Crows will finish bottom 4.
Yeah forgot about Ryder, but my point still stands. If you take away a team's most important player, the expectations are obviously going to be different.
Oh yeah, for sure I agree. Like take away Gaz and you'd have GC as a bottom 8 side, possibly lower.
Think the point Koop was trying to make is your depth in the ruck depo ain't great, but as you quite rightly said Jacobs is pretty durable for a big man!
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
Cooney and Higgins had a sook and left because they were told that they were no certainties to be starters next year, due to the plethora of talent coming through. No loss there.
Griff is a loss, no doubt. But the improvement of the youngens + having a 40 goal forward added to the team offsets his loss. Big Boyd will free up Stringer and Crameri a bit. Our mids will cope.
I can't see any reason why we would go backwards. The Lions and Giants have added some quality though, and might leap over us. We don't even need to tank to get yet another top talent pick to add to all the rest, it'll happen whether we try or not. But with all the top end young talent coming through, we should rename ourselves GWM.
Surely you can't be expecting 40 goals out of Boyd next year, from a kid in his second season. I reckon you'd be lucky (and happy) to get 30 tbh.
Quote from: henry on October 21, 2014, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
Cooney and Higgins had a sook and left because they were told that they were no certainties to be starters next year, due to the plethora of talent coming through. No loss there.
Griff is a loss, no doubt. But the improvement of the youngens + having a 40 goal forward added to the team offsets his loss. Big Boyd will free up Stringer and Crameri a bit. Our mids will cope.
I can't see any reason why we would go backwards. The Lions and Giants have added some quality though, and might leap over us. We don't even need to tank to get yet another top talent pick to add to all the rest, it'll happen whether we try or not. But with all the top end young talent coming through, we should rename ourselves GWM.
Surely you can't be expecting 40 goals out of Boyd next year, from a kid in his second season. I reckon you'd be lucky (and happy) to get 30 tbh.
A kid in his second season kicked 22 goals in the final 9 matches for us this year so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Maybe Stringer will be the big beneficiary from Boyd coming into the team. Boyd might only kick 20, but Stringer and Crameri might kick an extra 10 each due to his presence. I think Boyd is capable of kicking 40 himself though, he's not your average 2nd year key forward and he'll get plenty of supply. Either way, I think we'll be 40 goals better off from him being down there.
The Dogs have lost a lot of talent.
18. Saints (still rebuilding)
17. Dogs (need to rebuild)
16. Carlton (Mick will leave next year)
15. Dees (have traded well but losing Frawley will hurt)
Just not sure on GWS :-\
15. GWS - another year maturing
16. Melbourne - rebuild
17. Western Bulldogs - rebuild
18. Essendon - Who knows ASADA result
Quote from: T Dog on October 22, 2014, 09:11:30 AM
Just not sure on GWS :-\
15. GWS - another year maturing
16. Melbourne - rebuild
17. Western Bulldogs - rebuild
18. Essendon - Who knows ASADA result
No Saints?? :o
Quote from: Pkbaldy on October 22, 2014, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: T Dog on October 22, 2014, 09:11:30 AM
Just not sure on GWS :-\
15. GWS - another year maturing
16. Melbourne - rebuild
17. Western Bulldogs - rebuild
18. Essendon - Who knows ASADA result
No Saints?? :o
Actually don't mind their list PK.. :o Think they may finish above the Blues . In 13th...big call I know :)
Quote from: T Dog on October 22, 2014, 09:20:04 AM
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Just not sure on GWS :-\
15. GWS - another year maturing
16. Melbourne - rebuild
17. Western Bulldogs - rebuild
18. Essendon - Who knows ASADA result
No Saints?? :o
Actually don't mind their list PK.. :o Think they may finish above the Blues . In 13th...big call I know :)
Still too young, so inconsistency will be consistent 8) But i'd be happy with 18th to 13th in a year :P
Quote from: Pkbaldy on October 22, 2014, 09:22:09 AM
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Just not sure on GWS :-\
15. GWS - another year maturing
16. Melbourne - rebuild
17. Western Bulldogs - rebuild
18. Essendon - Who knows ASADA result
No Saints?? :o
Actually don't mind their list PK.. :o Think they may finish above the Blues . In 13th...big call I know :)
Still too young, so inconsistency will be consistent 8) But i'd be happy with 18th to 13th in a year :P
"so inconsistency will be consistent "...same issue for Bullies, Dees, GWS and Blues. ;)
I'd be very surprised if giants were out of the top 12.
Pfft. Dees will have Hogan next year, top 4 spot beckons :P
There's no really clear bottom teams this year apart from St Kilda which makes it all the more exciting. Shouldn't be as many 100+ blowouts as when GWS/GC were up and coming.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 22, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
Pfft. Dees will have Hogan next year, top 4 spot beckons :P
Hogan to be the next Majak Daw ;)
Quote from: Pkbaldy on October 22, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 22, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
Pfft. Dees will have Hogan next year, top 4 spot beckons :P
Hogan to be the next Majak Daw ;)
More likely the next Tom Boyd off to the highest bidder. Is he managed by Picko? 8)
Quote from: SydneyRox on October 22, 2014, 01:31:13 PM
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Pfft. Dees will have Hogan next year, top 4 spot beckons :P
Hogan to be the next Majak Daw ;)
More likely the next Tom Boyd off to the highest bidder. Is he managed by Picko? 8)
I have no idea haha, but he did sign a 2 year contract extension in the middle of this year, apparently on 500k a season iirc
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Quote from: Pkbaldy on October 22, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
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Pfft. Dees will have Hogan next year, top 4 spot beckons :P
Hogan to be the next Majak Daw ;)
More likely the next Tom Boyd off to the highest bidder. Is he managed by Picko? 8)
I have no idea haha, but he did sign a 2 year contract extension in the middle of this year, apparently on 500k a season iirc
implying contracts mean anything anymore
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Quote from: Purple 77 on October 22, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
Pfft. Dees will have Hogan next year, top 4 spot beckons :P
Hogan to be the next Majak Daw ;)
More likely the next Tom Boyd off to the highest bidder. Is he managed by Picko? 8)
I have no idea haha, but he did sign a 2 year contract extension in the middle of this year, apparently on 500k a season iirc
implying contracts mean anything anymore
I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
Quote from: FootyEcstatics on October 27, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
With the addition of patful + griffen and I'd be seriously surprised if we finished as low as 15th.
Quote from: Ziplock on October 27, 2014, 11:18:34 PM
Quote from: FootyEcstatics on October 27, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
With the addition of patful + griffen and I'd be seriously surprised if we finished as low as 15th.
Not to mention picks 4, 6 and 7
I don't think you will finish bottom 4 either but lots depends on Mumford how many games he plays
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 27, 2014, 11:49:16 PM
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I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
With the addition of patful + griffen and I'd be seriously surprised if we finished as low as 15th.
Not to mention picks 4, 6 and 7
I don't think you will finish bottom 4 either but lots depends on Mumford how many games he plays
If mumford goes down we're in a spot of trouble.
actually, we're just legitimately flowered :P
yeah you need to rookie list somebody from a state league that could step in if you were desperate enough
we've got downie, lobb and phillips, none of which are really up to AFL standard yet.
hopefully one of them comes out of their shell this pre-season :P
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Quote from: FootyEcstatics on October 27, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
With the addition of patful + griffen and I'd be seriously surprised if we finished as low as 15th.
Not to mention picks 4, 6 and 7
I don't think you will finish bottom 4 either but lots depends on Mumford how many games he plays
Others around have also got picks and recriuted ok as well. I think GWS will improve more than the teams close to them will, but whether its enough to jump out of the bottom 4 I'm not sure
Saints will fight for the wooden spoon with Melbourne
Dogs have lost Griffen, Higgins and Cooney, Boyd does not make up for that
Carlton losing Waite is a huge loss for there structure
imo GWS could easily leap frog Dogs and Carlton
Yeh they Carlton would most likely be the one they could push into the bottom 4. But they have brought in some depth fwds to replace Waite and also get Kruezer back as basically a new recruit
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Quote from: FootyEcstatics on October 27, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
With the addition of patful + griffen and I'd be seriously surprised if we finished as low as 15th.
Not to mention picks 4, 6 and 7
I don't think you will finish bottom 4 either but lots depends on Mumford how many games he plays
If mumford goes down we're in a spot of trouble.
actually, we're just legitimately flowered :P
#nomummynogws
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Quote from: FootyEcstatics on October 27, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
With the addition of patful + griffen and I'd be seriously surprised if we finished as low as 15th.
Not to mention picks 4, 6 and 7
I don't think you will finish bottom 4 either but lots depends on Mumford how many games he plays
If mumford goes down we're in a spot of trouble.
actually, we're just legitimately flowered :P
#nomummynogwsCairo
Fixed :P
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Quote from: FootyEcstatics on October 27, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
I have GWS at 15th, Bulldogs at 16th, Melbourne at 17th and St Kilda in last.
With the addition of patful + griffen and I'd be seriously surprised if we finished as low as 15th.
Not to mention picks 4, 6 and 7
I don't think you will finish bottom 4 either but lots depends on Mumford how many games he plays
If mumford goes down we're in a spot of trouble.
actually, we're just legitimately flowered :P
#nomummynogwsCairo
Fixed :P
u wanna go m8 i'll fite u IRL
15. Doggies
16. GWS
17. Melb
18. Saints
Carlton dodging just.
I think we will come around the 12th-15th area. Likely to be on the lower end.
But like Ric said, Kreuzer coming back is HUGE. I mean its not like we have gone that far backwards with the loss of Waite. Gained Whiley, Jones, Tutt, Jaksch and whoever we draft.