After going down by 3 points in a fantastic Preliminary Final , we have definitely consolidated ourselves as a top contender for years to come.
How do you rate our year and what do we need to take the next step?
only concern is Schulz is old
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 10:07:52 PM
only concern is Schulz is old
He'll be 30 next season, still has a few years left in him imo.
Quote from: nrich102 on September 20, 2014, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 10:07:52 PM
only concern is Schulz is old
He'll be 20 next season, still has a few years left in him imo.
lol what? he was born in 85
To get Ryder would be a huge coup for us.
Playing forward and giving Lobster a rest will fix two areas that require a boost.
But as most clubs , don't want to lose too much in a trade.
Our backline and midfield will only get better.
Sorry mate, Ryders coming to the Lions ;)
Quote from: nrich102 on September 20, 2014, 10:12:57 PM
Sorry mate, Ryders coming to the Lions ;)
Yeah , initial thoughts are its out of Port or Brisbane
Clearly Port has one of the best 22's going around and that's not going to change much in the next 6 months. My only real concern is with the rest of their list which in my opinion doesn't have anywhere near the depth and quality of teams like Sydney/Hawthorn. Sure Mitchell, Impey, Sam Gray and a couple of others did some good things at times but I'm not sure how they'd hold up in big games if they're required.
Hopefully Port can be active in the trade/draft period again and pull off some deals.
I think Port will be top 4 next year, and will get at least to the Prelim, and probably into the granny.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 10:24:08 PM
Clearly Port has one of the best 22's going around and that's not going to change much in the next 6 months. My only real concern is with the rest of their list which in my opinion doesn't have anywhere near the depth and quality of teams like Sydney/Hawthorn. Sure Mitchell, Impey, Sam Gray and a couple of others did some good things at times but I'm not sure how they'd hold up in big games if they're required.
Hopefully Port can be active in the trade/draft period again and pull off some deals.
I think our depth is ok.
Impey will only get better .Just remember it's only his first year.
Aaron Young is another who will be good.
But , yeah we have to get another diamond in the draft
Port were super impressive I'll admit. Didn't think they would back up last season with a season as good as this one.
I'm still impressed at how far they've come in a few short years.
I think it was only 2011 where they only won three games? Ridiculous stuff.
Quote from: Nige on September 20, 2014, 10:30:24 PM
Port were super impressive I'll admit. Didn't think they would back up last season with a season as good as this one.
I'm still impressed at how far they've come in a few short years.
I think it was only 2011 where they only won three games? Ridiculous stuff.
Yes mate , just goes to show how quick it can happen if you get lots right on and off the field
i think it's depth in the talls that's a worry like if Schulz went down but guess most clubs are in the same boat
First things first - delist Hitchcock!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
i think it's depth in the talls that's a worry like if Schulz went down but guess most clubs are in the same boat
They've got Mason Shaw and Mitch Harvey coming along nicely, they should (and I think will) get games into one or both next season.
Quote from: Nige on September 20, 2014, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
i think it's depth in the talls that's a worry like if Schulz went down but guess most clubs are in the same boat
They've got Mason Shaw and Mitch Harvey coming along nicely, they should (and I think will) get games into one or both next season.
Yes , heard some good reports on Mason.
Nige, I am wondering as we like Richmond, do you have anyone ala White or Sarg you would like to donate? :)
My opinion.. For what it's worth.
Ports 22 that run onto the field each week are deadly. They can beat anyone.
If a couple go down? They are stuffed.
It's no coincidence that their slump during the season started when Carlisle and Trengove went down.
The hardened teams like Hawthorn can cope. There was a point in the year when Lake, Gibson, Rioli, Mitchell, Hodge and a couple of others were all out at the same time and they kept winning anyway.
Port are young so it's not a major issue but for them to push for a flag again in the immediate future they need to keep their list injury free.
In the next 2-3 they will be a powerhouse (excuse the pun)
If they could get Ryder that would be huge. They need him for the ruck and as another forward. Right now there is too much reliance on Schultz, Westhoff and Lobbe. I feel like if any one of those guys were to get injured it would leave a gaping hole.
Quote from: Nige on September 20, 2014, 10:30:24 PM
Port were super impressive I'll admit. Didn't think they would back up last season with a season as good as this one.
I'm still impressed at how far they've come in a few short years.
I think it was only 2011 where they only won three games? Ridiculous stuff.
Yeah it's ridiculous. Shows how much a team can improve after getting handouts from the AFL :P
Quote from: Jayman on September 21, 2014, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: Nige on September 20, 2014, 10:30:24 PM
Port were super impressive I'll admit. Didn't think they would back up last season with a season as good as this one.
I'm still impressed at how far they've come in a few short years.
I think it was only 2011 where they only won three games? Ridiculous stuff.
Yeah it's ridiculous. Shows how much a team can improve after getting handouts from the AFL :P
Maybe having a Super Coach , President , CEO and Fitness Guru might have something to do with it. :)
Its been a remarkable turn around, to think Hinkley has only been there 2 years beginning in 2013 to lift them to 13 wins 11 loses 54% win Ratio in total and then raise it again to 64% with 16 wins 9 loses in total for this year after only 8 wins and one draw in total for seasons 2011-12. What a turn around its been, crowds have lifted from on avg 21,676 in 2011, 19,911 in 2012, 26,915 in 2013 and 45,029 this year for Port (Adelaide Oval a huge benefit for crowds). It gives pause to other struggling clubs that with the right people in place amazing things can be achieved in a short space of time. During the real bad times i really couldnt stand watching Port play, the played a brand of footy that was very unatractive, fast forward to today and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that doesn't enjoy the brand of footy Port deliver, they really are good to watch. It's exciting footy.
Its mind boggling to see where they were in 2011-2012 to now 2014, i had a real fear of the club folding, loosing the showdowns loosing the rivalry of a two team town, footy in this state was a bit humdrum when it was just the Crows, with Port coming in it lifted immediately and the rivalry was also immediate. Very exciting for SA fans with the Showdowns and even interstate footy lovers enjoy the Showdowns and the intensity these bruising encounters are played at regardless of where each team is placed on the ladder. Players coming to blows at the Alma hotel showed how the two teams felt about each other.
1,000,000+ fans walked through the turnstiles of Adelaide oval this year. AAMI stadium saw 50,000 plus crowds about 4 times since the Crows arrived then Port and i think 6 times in total if you include SANFL results. An amazing 66,000 watched Port versus Sturt in the 1976 GF Dudge was one of them, this year alone 50,000 plus was achieved 9 times with Port topping the list with two Crowds of 52,000, amazing stat. Thank God they got it sorted there was so much more to lose than just the club, if you live in SA and support either club you will know exactly what i mean.
What could Port do in 2015, who knows but it has me worried haha, well done Port.
Mighty season from the Power, they have become a team I love to watch. Ryder would go a long way in taking the team to that next level ;)
Quote from: Grazz on September 21, 2014, 10:49:26 AM
Its been a remarkable turn around, to think Hinkley has only been there 2 years beginning in 2013 to lift them to 13 wins 11 loses 54% win Ratio in total and then raise it again to 64% with 16 wins 9 loses in total for this year after only 8 wins and one draw in total for seasons 2011-12. What a turn around its been, crowds have lifted from on avg 21,676 in 2011, 19,911 in 2012, 26,915 in 2013 and 45,029 this year for Port (Adelaide Oval a huge benefit for crowds). It gives pause to other struggling clubs that with the right people in place amazing things can be achieved in a short space of time.
Its mind boggling to see where they were in 2011-2012 to now 2014, i had a real fear of the club folding, loosing the showdowns loosing the rivalry of a two team town, footy in this state was a bit humdrum when it was just the Crows, with Port coming in it lifted immediately and the rivalry was also immediate. Very exciting for SA fans with the Showdowns and even interstate footy lovers enjoy the Showdowns and the intensity these bruising encounters are played at regardless of where each team was placed on the ladder. Players coming to blows at the Alma hotel showed how the two teams felt about each other.
1,000,000+ fans walked through the turnstiles of Adelaide oval this year. AAMI stadium saw 50,000 plus crowds about 4 times since the Crows arrived then Port and i think 6 times in total if you include SANFL results. An amazing 66,000 watched Port versus Norwood in the 1976 GF Dudge was one of them, this year alone 50,000 plus was achieved 9 times with Port topping the list with two Crowds of 52,000, amazing stat. Thank God they got it sorted there was so much more to lose than just the club, if you live in SA and support either club you will know exactly what i mean.
What could Port do in 2015, who knows but it has me worried haha, well done Port.
1976 was Sturt mate , I know cause I was there and saw Rick Davies dominate.
Crowds were ovet the fence sitting inside the boundary line.
Something I will never forget.
Haha i just realised id done that and was hoping to fix it before before i was quoted, i was adding a bit more to the original post when i noticed it, damn you GM haha My West End stubby holder even has that game on it so im pissed i stuffed it up. I think the fact Port and Norwood are playing off today in the GF brought about the blunder, well thats my excuse. :P
A couple of Dudges mates were put over the fence to watch it also mate, his brother inlaw young at the time was in tears, something he still gets ribbed about today haha.
Think the best thing Port have going for them is there coach very impressive , just think how long he was up for a top job and never got there before Port took a chance , well that looks like paying off for many a year
After those last few years, is why I nearly cried at the MCG when we beat the Pies last year in the Elimination final.
I hope 2015 can be even better, am not complaining one bit about the way this season has ended. In all honesty, if Port made the GF this year, I would be fearing a big loss. Yes we have a good team, and our best 22 can compete with anyone, but this loss will make them better prepared for next season. :)
Also, they better not get complacent, we saw the Crows only two years ago get within 5 points of the Hawks, now look where they are. Must continue to try and get better.
Quote from: GM on September 20, 2014, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 20, 2014, 10:12:57 PM
Sorry mate, Ryders coming to the Lions ;)
Yeah , initial thoughts are its out of Port or Brisbane
May require your first rounder to get him. Brisbane have made it clear they will not give up their first round but are prepared to give up second.Will be an interesting trade week.
Quote from: shaker on September 21, 2014, 12:47:16 PM
Think the best thing Port have going for them is there coach very impressive , just think how long he was up for a top job and never got there before Port took a chance , well that looks like paying off for many a year
Quote from: nas on September 20, 2012, 08:35:29 PM
Would like Hinkley to get it ex Geelong / GC Suns
Glad that this did eventuate.
Yeah a ready-made tall in the trade period would be a godsend. Especially in defence as once Carlile and Trengove went down Hombsch and co. looked ordinary. We have plenty of run all over the ground and out forward line is incredibly potent. We also need another ruck. Renouf is useless and Redden cant be fit for more than 5 seconds. Super effort from Lobbe to do most of the season solo, but he needs help.
Tiser was saying today the Power are in talks with a forward "not Tyrone Vickery"
Just thinking about the forwards who may be on the market - Waite, Grimley, Membrey...who else?
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 22, 2014, 11:27:14 AM
Tiser was saying today the Power are in talks with a forward "not Tyrone Vickery"
Just thinking about the forwards who may be on the market - Waite, Grimley, Membrey...who else?
Paddy Ryder is in town today
Just the way it was worded suggested it wasn't Paddy being talked about. I presume this mysterious forward is "Plan B".
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 22, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
Just the way it was worded suggested it wasn't Paddy being talked about. I presume this mysterious forward is "Plan B".
U would be surprised if we didn't get him.
I wouldn't be suprised if he doesn't go to Port, there's plenty of clubs in the hunt
Hinkley's said the Power are looking for another ruck and forward.
Wasn't there talk about Lowden being a possibility?
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 02:24:22 PM
Hinkley's said the Power are looking for another ruck and forward.
Probs can get Giles.
Sam Day and Paddy Ryder.
Would not be surprised to see us make a play for Ryder/Waite by offering up Kane Mitchell as trade bait.
Reports that you boys have offered up pick 16 for Ryder which beats Brissie's offer of pick 22.
Nigey posted in the Essendon thread
The Age reckons Port have expressed interest in Liam Jones.
Ryder for Pick 16 would be a huge get for the Power.. Would take the team to that next level
Quote from: Toga on September 24, 2014, 09:59:58 AM
Ryder for Pick 16 would be a huge get for the Power.. Would take the team to that next level
I agree, we have already got so many youngins that chasing after an established tall, and one as good as Ryder, doesnt bother me with that sort of pick.
Ken Hinkley has just confirmed on 5AA that Cameron Hitchcock, Brent Renouf and Campbell Heath have been delisted by the club.
Quote from: Toga on September 24, 2014, 05:26:54 PM
Ken Hinkley has just confirmed on 5AA that Cameron Hitchcock, Brent Renouf and Campbell Heath have been delisted by the club.
Aww, I liked Heath :( Great about the other two though. Finally!
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
The Age reckons Port have expressed interest in Liam Jones.
Would't they rather Reid from Sydney?
Reid is contracted
Quote from: eg6914 on September 24, 2014, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
The Age reckons Port have expressed interest in Liam Jones.
Would't they rather Reid from Sydney?
No one leaves Sydney anyway
Quote from: eg6914 on September 24, 2014, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
The Age reckons Port have expressed interest in Liam Jones.
Would't they rather Reid from Sydney?
Carlton and Saint Kilda I think were the other two teams that had interest in him.
Quote from: eg6914 on September 24, 2014, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: Noz on September 24, 2014, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: eg6914 on September 24, 2014, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
The Age reckons Port have expressed interest in Liam Jones.
Would't they rather Reid from Sydney?
No one leaves Sydney anyway
Jeez sounds like a cult ;)
http://rangerwiki.net/index.php?title=The_Case_of_the_Cola_Cult
I think 4 names were primarily responsible for the turnaround:
Ken Hinkley
Keith Thomas
David Koch
&
Travis Boak (really did motivate the players when he elected to stay and took up the captain-ship)
Just shows how important management is to a club
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 27, 2014, 11:56:04 AM
I think 4 names were primarily responsible for the turnaround:
Ken Hinkley
Keith Thomas
David Koch
&
Travis Boak (really did motivate the players when he elected to stay and took up the captain-ship)
Just shows how important management is to a club
5, add Darren Burgess. A key part of our surge has been the ability to run teams off their feet in the last. Gotta give this man credit where credit is due. Especially after we were dropping players in 2012 for being overweight. Credit to Alan Richardson too, I miss the bloke. :(
Quote from: KoopKicka on September 27, 2014, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 27, 2014, 11:56:04 AM
I think 4 names were primarily responsible for the turnaround:
Ken Hinkley
Keith Thomas
David Koch
&
Travis Boak (really did motivate the players when he elected to stay and took up the captain-ship)
Just shows how important management is to a club
5, add Darren Burgess. A key part of our surge has been the ability to run teams off their feet in the last. Gotta give this man credit where credit is due. Especially after we were dropping players in 2012 for being overweight. Credit to Alan Richardson too, I miss the bloke. :(
+1. Hats off to them all.
Keith Thomas started the process.Yes we Keith. ;D
I have now forgiven him for the 84 SANFL GF ;)
Had Boak left, no one would've blamed him, we wouldn't be booing him, we wouldn't be hating him. He was leaving a terrible club. Why he chose to stay, well, now we know. Maybe he's a psychic?
Quote from: PowerBug on September 27, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
Had Boak left, no one would've blamed him, we wouldn't be booing him, we wouldn't be hating him. He was leaving a terrible club. Why he chose to stay, well, now we know. Maybe he's a psychic?
Trengove was actually the first of the free agents to say he was going to stay (inspired the other players and Boak re-signing secured them (except Pearce & Chaplin, but obviously we showed them both in finals that they made the wrong decision haha). Definitely a bargain was expected to be a top 10 pick but suffered a serious injury in the months leading up to the draft. We got him at #25 I think :)
The way we have gone into the post season in the Hinkley era has been amazing
2012 - It was our depth
Losing both Chaplin and Pearce in the free agency was a bit of a blow as it left us quite slim down back, Brogan and Cornes both called it quits and Rodan was traded to Melbourne. Whilst long term servants in Steven Salopek and Jacob Surjan got delisted along with Mitch Banner and Simon Phillips. Along with the unexpected passing of John McCarthy.
It gave us a chance to reinvent our team by trading in Heath, Hombsch, Stevenson, Monfries and Neade whilst upgrading Tom Jonas onto our senior list. We also drafted Wines, Shaw, Clurey along with Colquhoun, Mitchell and Hoskin.
2013 - It was pace
After going down in the finals narrowly to Geelong we looked at the team saw improvent and acted on it and this time it was to eject some pace in our starting 22. In comes Jarred Polec and Matt White also drafting 3 small quick blokes in Jarman Impey, Byrne-Jones and Karl Amon to go with another key forward in Mitch Harvey. Gray, Renouf, Flynn and Russell all got rookie listed.
Blee, Salter Stewart and Matt Thomas all got delisted whilst a long term servant in Brett Ebert decided to retire
Jack Hombsch, Jake Neade, Tom Jonas, Oliver Wines, Angus Monfries, Jarred Polec, Matt White have all found themselves in our best 22 whilst Jarman Impey, Sam Gray, Kane Mitchell have all played huge roles since coming to Port Adelaide
I am really looking forward to seeing how we go about this years post season
Dear Mr Hinkley, may we have your assistant please?
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 04, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Dear Mr Hinkley, may we have your assistant please?
I'm sick of flowering clubs poaching our coaches!!!
CONSECUTIVE YEARS NOW!!!
I don't know whether it's a comment on our superior administrative skills off the field, or an attempt to sabotage. But either way, if the club ain't poaching Hinkley, we will always come out being the better team. Walsh better not leave, and what happened to the Crows apparent plan to get Clarkson... hahaha
Coaches come and go from every single club. It doesn't just happen to Port and certainly not the most
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 04, 2014, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 04, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Dear Mr Hinkley, may we have your assistant please?
I'm sick of flowering clubs poaching our coaches!!!
CONSECUTIVE YEARS NOW!!!
I don't know whether it's a comment on our superior administrative skills off the field, or an attempt to sabotage. But either way, if the club ain't poaching Hinkley, we will always come out being the better team. Walsh better not leave, and what happened to the Crows apparent plan to get Clarkson... hahaha
maybe the media will finally admit we are the better team! ;D
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on October 04, 2014, 10:47:27 PM
Coaches come and go from every single club. It doesn't just happen to Port and certainly not the most
haha yeah I know, Port would have to be the archetypal poachee since 2013 though. If Walsh goes, it'll be two coaches, in their first year of their contracts, in two years.
He found Shaun Hart to cover Richardson so I'm sure Hinkley & Koch can find some different (an improvement if you will) to cover Walsh if he goes. I liked the Port Adelaide's mindset about it last year, i.e. 'they weren't looking for a replacement, there was no replacement', they instead took it as an opportunity to look for an improvement and I'm sure they'll be successful in doing that again if Walsh leaves.
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 04, 2014, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 04, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Dear Mr Hinkley, may we have your assistant please?
I'm sick of flowering clubs poaching our coaches!!!
CONSECUTIVE YEARS NOW!!!
I don't know whether it's a comment on our superior administrative skills off the field, or an attempt to sabotage. But either way, if the club ain't poaching Hinkley, we will always come out being the better team. Walsh better not leave, and what happened to the Crows apparent plan to get Clarkson... hahaha
It's a compliment to your system mate. A bit of inside info into what the coaching and fitness staff are up to out at Alberton is a bonus because you are doing it well. ;)
Not sure we had a plan to get Clarko, actually im not sure we had any kind of plan at all, we are not in a good spot at the minute. :(
yeah it's good for Assistant Coaches to get more experience at different clubs so i don't see the issue
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 04, 2014, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 04, 2014, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 04, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Dear Mr Hinkley, may we have your assistant please?
I'm sick of flowering clubs poaching our coaches!!!
CONSECUTIVE YEARS NOW!!!
I don't know whether it's a comment on our superior administrative skills off the field, or an attempt to sabotage. But either way, if the club ain't poaching Hinkley, we will always come out being the better team. Walsh better not leave, and what happened to the Crows apparent plan to get Clarkson... hahaha
maybe the media will finally admit we are the better team! ;D
Don't you watch the superior footy show on tv, #AFL360 Gerard and Robbo especially Gerard, loved Port!
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 06, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 04, 2014, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 04, 2014, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 04, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Dear Mr Hinkley, may we have your assistant please?
I'm sick of flowering clubs poaching our coaches!!!
CONSECUTIVE YEARS NOW!!!
I don't know whether it's a comment on our superior administrative skills off the field, or an attempt to sabotage. But either way, if the club ain't poaching Hinkley, we will always come out being the better team. Walsh better not leave, and what happened to the Crows apparent plan to get Clarkson... hahaha
maybe the media will finally admit we are the better team! ;D
Don't you watch the superior footy show on tv, #AFL360 Gerard and Robbo especially Gerard, loved Port!
I mean the Adelaide media. :P Rucci has a hard-on over the Crows.
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 06, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 06, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
Quote from: KoopKicka on October 04, 2014, 10:58:56 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 04, 2014, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 04, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Dear Mr Hinkley, may we have your assistant please?
I'm sick of flowering clubs poaching our coaches!!!
CONSECUTIVE YEARS NOW!!!
I don't know whether it's a comment on our superior administrative skills off the field, or an attempt to sabotage. But either way, if the club ain't poaching Hinkley, we will always come out being the better team. Walsh better not leave, and what happened to the Crows apparent plan to get Clarkson... hahaha
maybe the media will finally admit we are the better team! ;D
Don't you watch the superior footy show on tv, #AFL360 Gerard and Robbo especially Gerard, loved Port!
I mean the Adelaide media. :P Rucci has a hard-on over the Crows.
LOL You could have picked pretty much any other journalist in Adelaide TV, Radio and print media and been right, but Rucci hangs it on the Crows all the time. That's why Crows fans hate him so much because they are used to be treated like gods in the SA media :P
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-27/prelim-rematch-for-anzac-day
Good news for footy fans here, after the Anzac day parade there will be a game to attend. Think the AFL actually screwed up this game should of been a Showdown tbh.
Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Quote from: Noz on November 13, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Doesn't it seem weird that Wingard & Wines are in that category considering their profile - esp. Wingard's ;)
Quote from: powersuperkents on November 14, 2014, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Noz on November 13, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Doesn't it seem weird that Wingard & Wines are in that category considering their profile - esp. Wingard's ;)
Oh well, they gotta do the hard yards unfortunately to build up their endurance, to run through the midfield.
I,d say Ollie would thrive on it by looking at his physique, but Chad on the other hand, who knows lol
Quote from: Dudge on November 14, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on November 14, 2014, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Noz on November 13, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Doesn't it seem weird that Wingard & Wines are in that category considering their profile - esp. Wingard's ;)
Oh well, they gotta do the hard yards unfortunately to build up their endurance, to run through the midfield.
I,d say Ollie would thrive on it by looking at his physique, but Chad on the other hand, who knows lol
It's a good thing they are doing the hard yards. They would already be considered elite players in the AFL (they just need to work on consistency). Imagine where a few more off-seasons/seasons will take them :) I think Wingard was the youngest player in the top 50 this season (overall - he outranked this seasons Brownlow medalist - Pridda finished at 50th). Boak was rank 8 & Gray rank 13 - no other Port players besides those 3, but we have enough prospective talent to hope for 20% make up in the future :P
Quote from: powersuperkents on November 14, 2014, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: Dudge on November 14, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on November 14, 2014, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Noz on November 13, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Doesn't it seem weird that Wingard & Wines are in that category considering their profile - esp. Wingard's ;)
Oh well, they gotta do the hard yards unfortunately to build up their endurance, to run through the midfield.
I,d say Ollie would thrive on it by looking at his physique, but Chad on the other hand, who knows lol
It's a good thing they are doing the hard yards. They would already be considered elite players in the AFL (they just need to work on consistency). Imagine where a few more off-seasons/seasons will take them :) I think Wingard was the youngest player in the top 50 this season (overall - he outranked this seasons Brownlow medalist - Pridda finished at 50th). Boak was rank 8 & Gray rank 13 - no other Port players besides those 3, but we have enough prospective talent to hope for 20% make up in the future :P
Youngest ever All Australian as well ;)
Quote from: Noz on November 15, 2014, 05:51:37 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on November 14, 2014, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: Dudge on November 14, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on November 14, 2014, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Noz on November 13, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Doesn't it seem weird that Wingard & Wines are in that category considering their profile - esp. Wingard's ;)
Oh well, they gotta do the hard yards unfortunately to build up their endurance, to run through the midfield.
I,d say Ollie would thrive on it by looking at his physique, but Chad on the other hand, who knows lol
It's a good thing they are doing the hard yards. They would already be considered elite players in the AFL (they just need to work on consistency). Imagine where a few more off-seasons/seasons will take them :) I think Wingard was the youngest player in the top 50 this season (overall - he outranked this seasons Brownlow medalist - Pridda finished at 50th). Boak was rank 8 & Gray rank 13 - no other Port players besides those 3, but we have enough prospective talent to hope for 20% make up in the future :P
Youngest ever All Australian as well ;)
By like 2 months :P And he was technically more afl experienced than cameron anyway :P
Probably the youngest recipient of Mark of the Year as well. Need someone to confirm though because I'm just making a bold assertion :P
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Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Doesn't it seem weird that Wingard & Wines are in that category considering their profile - esp. Wingard's ;)
Oh well, they gotta do the hard yards unfortunately to build up their endurance, to run through the midfield.
I,d say Ollie would thrive on it by looking at his physique, but Chad on the other hand, who knows lol
It's a good thing they are doing the hard yards. They would already be considered elite players in the AFL (they just need to work on consistency). Imagine where a few more off-seasons/seasons will take them :) I think Wingard was the youngest player in the top 50 this season (overall - he outranked this seasons Brownlow medalist - Pridda finished at 50th). Boak was rank 8 & Gray rank 13 - no other Port players besides those 3, but we have enough prospective talent to hope for 20% make up in the future :P
Youngest ever All Australian as well ;)
By like 2 months :P And he was technically more afl experienced than cameron anyway :P
Still the youngest :P
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Quote from: Dudge on November 14, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
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Quote from: Noz on November 13, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Pre season starts on Monday and were heading to Dubai in the second week of December I think it is.
1st and 4th year players start on Monday.
Doesn't it seem weird that Wingard & Wines are in that category considering their profile - esp. Wingard's ;)
Oh well, they gotta do the hard yards unfortunately to build up their endurance, to run through the midfield.
I,d say Ollie would thrive on it by looking at his physique, but Chad on the other hand, who knows lol
It's a good thing they are doing the hard yards. They would already be considered elite players in the AFL (they just need to work on consistency). Imagine where a few more off-seasons/seasons will take them :) I think Wingard was the youngest player in the top 50 this season (overall - he outranked this seasons Brownlow medalist - Pridda finished at 50th). Boak was rank 8 & Gray rank 13 - no other Port players besides those 3, but we have enough prospective talent to hope for 20% make up in the future :P
Youngest ever All Australian as well ;)
By like 2 months :P And he was technically more afl experienced than cameron anyway :P
Still the youngest :P
Don't you mean the best? :P
3k time trial results.
1. Tom Clurey
2. Sam Colquhoun
3. Karl Amon
Wagner had a slight setback after last week he had glass removed from his foot (no idea how it happened)
Go Clurey! Reckon he's a chance to start seeing some more games this season boys?
Quote from: Toga on November 18, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
Go Clurey! Reckon he's a chance to start seeing some more games this season boys?
I really like him as a player has excellent endurance can see him playing a couple of games next year, We have a few defenders looking to break into our side and right now its a pretty tough back line to get a job in. Can't see him playing too many games unless an injury strikes.
A handy back up player nonetheless
Hopefully he can establish himself as a regular in the next few years, reckon he'll be a handy player!
I was trying to find his SANFL profile on Sportingpulse but could only find his junior netball stats, I kid you not.
I like him. Hopefully he gets more opportunity next year.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on November 19, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
I was trying to find his SANFL profile on Sportingpulse but could only find his junior netball stats, I kid you not.
I like him. Hopefully he gets more opportunity next year.
The only stat that matters is he lives with The Chad. Which makes him amazing.
Quote from: Noz on November 19, 2014, 01:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on November 19, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
I was trying to find his SANFL profile on Sportingpulse but could only find his junior netball stats, I kid you not.
I like him. Hopefully he gets more opportunity next year.
The only stat that matters is he lives with The Chad. Which makes him amazing.
Do they still live in the host family house together? I thought Chad would have moved out by now
I thought Chat lived with Ollie and his younger bro (Chads)
Quote from: Dudge on November 19, 2014, 07:11:29 PM
I thought Chat lived with Ollie and his younger bro (Chads)
Maybe he's moved out. He was living with Clurey in a host house mid way through the 2013 season. Don't know anything beyond that time period
Went into the draft not expecting too much as our first pick was at pick 56.
Tall forward in Dougal Howard was selected with our first pick at 56 bit of a raw tall forward standing at 195cm and 88kilos, We have drafted smartly in the recent years picking up Mitch Harvey and Mason Shawn, Howard is now another key forward we have in the wings.
Averaged seven touches, four marks and one goal in three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships for NSW/ACT. Came equal-first in the clean hands test (26/30) and equal-third in the goalkicking test (24/30) at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
Logan Austin was our next pick at 69 spent most of his juniors as a centre half forward then got shifted to centre half back, Can also pinch hit in the ruck.
Averaged eight possessions and five marks at 81 per cent efficiency in two hit-outs in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.
Jesse Palmer was our third selection at 76 medium sized forward who kicked 35 goals 32 behinds last year so can be a bit wonky in front of the big sticks. There were a few doubts over his endurance. I am sure Burgess can make him an elite endurance player
Billy Frampton was our last pick in the 2014 AFL Draft is a young developing ruck man standing at 199cm weighing in at 85 kilos Averaged 10 possessions, three marks and two clearances at 71 per cent during the carnival.
Kane Mitchell was also elevated of the rookie list.
All in all its hard to give our draft a grade, Since we went into the draft not really looking to bolster up any particular section of our list instead we went for young raw project players, Don't really see any of the 4 making an impact from the get go.
Looking at some of the highlights these kids look good.
We have looked to the future and I have confidence they will reach their potential in our system.
Dougal Howard, just the name says 200+ games.
Kane Cornes wins the time trial...again.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-01/cornes-sets-the-standard-again
Quote from: Mr.Craig on December 01, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
Kane Cornes wins the time trial...again.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-01/cornes-sets-the-standard-again
Geez he is a machine
Quote from: Mr.Craig on December 01, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
Kane Cornes wins the time trial...again.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-01/cornes-sets-the-standard-again
Could of put your house on that happening. The bloke is a freak. :)
Don't hold me to it, but I think they said his 9th straight.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on December 01, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
Kane Cornes wins the time trial...again.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-01/cornes-sets-the-standard-again
Not only he won it, but that was his PB! Incredible for someone who's nearly 32! And yes Dudge, I'm pretty sure that was his 9th straight.
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Quote from: Mr.Craig on December 01, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
Kane Cornes wins the time trial...again.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-01/cornes-sets-the-standard-again
Not only he won it, but that was his PB! Incredible for someone who's nearly 32! And yes Dudge, I'm pretty sure that was his 9th straight.
Agree Atto, PB at his age is staggering. Btw welcome mate, Great to have another Port supporter on-board ;D
So, thoughts on the suggestion that Port will redraft Krak?
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Quote from: Mr.Craig on December 01, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
Kane Cornes wins the time trial...again.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-01/cornes-sets-the-standard-again
Not only he won it, but that was his PB! Incredible for someone who's nearly 32! And yes Dudge, I'm pretty sure that was his 9th straight.
Welcome Atto shame your a Power supporter but a bit of a lobotomy can fix that nowadays mate. :P
Yeh 9 in a row and a PB at 32, amazing just amazing. What a great leader and team man.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-02/new-deal-gray-to-stay
ROBBIE Gray will be 30 years old when his contract next comes up for renewal after penning a new multi-year deal to keep him at Alberton until at least the end of 2018.
The All-Australian's three-year contract extension will be welcome news for Port Adelaide supporters who were treated to a football masterclass by the livewire forward in 2014.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-02/new-deal-gray-to-stay (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-02/new-deal-gray-to-stay)
Gray signs till end of 2018 ;D Never in doubt.
Quote from: ADEZ on December 02, 2014, 11:36:04 AM
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-02/new-deal-gray-to-stay (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-12-02/new-deal-gray-to-stay)
Gray signs till end of 2018 ;D Never in doubt.
Nice to be able to lock him away although i dont feel he would of ever left Port its still good to have him locked away.
We took your one eyed supporter :o
Quote from: tbagrocks on December 07, 2014, 06:01:23 PM
We took your one eyed supporter :o
Just remember mate, he'll always have a EYE on how his SOUL club is going :)
Someone should just sneak into John Butcher's hotel room rip up his passport and head back home without him.
Dubai can have Butcher
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Someone should just sneak into John Butcher's hotel room rip up his passport and head back home without him.
Dubai can have Butcher
mmmm, but does he do halal?
If not he'll find it rough in the UAE....
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Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Someone should just sneak into John Butcher's hotel room rip up his passport and head back home without him.
Dubai can have Butcher
mmmm, but does he do halal?
If not he'll find it rough in the UAE....
Im sure he can adjust to it just fine.
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Quote from: Ziplock on December 08, 2014, 08:35:24 PM
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Someone should just sneak into John Butcher's hotel room rip up his passport and head back home without him.
Dubai can have Butcher
mmmm, but does he do halal?
If not he'll find it rough in the UAE....
Im sure he can adjust to it just fine.
the profession does kind of require it in islamic states... :P
Quote from: Noz on December 08, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Someone should just sneak into John Butcher's hotel room rip up his passport and head back home without him.
Dubai can have Butcher
Yes! I will pay all my money for the person who manages to do this.
Gary who?
http://instagram.com/p/w7yjwbkoIE/ (http://instagram.com/p/w7yjwbkoIE/)
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-01-27/wingard-has-surgery
Port Adelaide forward Chad Wingard has undergone minor knee surgery that will see him miss training for at least four weeks.
21-year-old Wingard had the “clean-up†to the right knee on Tuesday after he experienced soreness after training last week.
Head of high performance Darren Burgess said given the season starts later this year, the decision was made to have surgery now and allow the knee to recuperate.
“With the season still nine to 10 weeks away, we decided the right course of action was to get the surgery done now rather than waiting to see if rest would allow him to recover,†Burgess said.
“The expectation is that Chad will be back on the track in four to six weeks.â€
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-29/hartlett-on-light-duties?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
PORT Adelaide star Hamish Hartlett will return to running on Saturday after a minor hamstring scare at training.
The club said Hartlett pulled up sore after a training session late last week and was subsequently restricted to light duties this week.
Given the 24-year-old's record with hamstring issues the Power will monitor his health closely in the lead up to the NAB Challenge and then round one
Another update on Wingard
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-05/wingard-unsure-of-return.mobileapp?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
INJURED Port Adelaide star Chad Wingard won't speculate on his chances of playing in round one as he recovers from knee surgery.
The prodigiously talented 21-year-old had a clean out of his knee just over a week ago.
He was tipped to miss between four and six weeks of training, making his efforts to face Fremantle on April 5 a race against time.
Helping to launch an AFL 9s competition in Adelaide on Thursday, Wingard said he hadn't laid out a timeline for his return.
"Round one is so far away and it's really hard to know [whether I'll play],'' Wingard said.
"There's no time frame for my return. I'll come back when it feels good.
"Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later, but that's all I can say at the moment.
"I've got to let it [the knee] rest and we've got no [return] goals yet."
Wingard tried to train through the injury, which occurred when he landed on the knee at training.
The club eventually conceded surgery was required, although Wingard said it was only a minor procedure.
"I just had a clean out to tidy the knee up,'' he said.
I don't know if there are many Port supporters on this site but anyways whats everyones thoughts on Clurey do you see him getting games this year? and constantly?
He or O'Shae could slot in if Trengove doesn't get up and allow Jonas/Hombsch to take the 2nd tall. At this stage I'd say he will get the odd game but not consistently. Personally I hope we can get 3-5+ games into Clurey, Shaw and KAmon in particular...
Frampton added to LTI, good news for Krakeour!
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-02-20/frampton-added-to-longterm-injury-list
Quote from: fasttrack13 on February 22, 2015, 04:27:18 PM
Frampton added to LTI, good news for Krakeour!
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-02-20/frampton-added-to-longterm-injury-list
I'm pretty sure there was already a free spot anyway, but it is good news for either Krakouer and Sam Gray.
Hinkley has signed an extrension til the end of 2018
Ok so heading in to Adelaide soon, then half way to North Adelaide. Can't wait for my boys to respond under Walshy and smack your bums ;)
Quote from: tbagrocks on May 03, 2015, 01:05:15 PM
Ok so heading in to Adelaide soon, then half way to North Adelaide. Can't wait for my boys to respond under Walshy and smack your bums ;)
ooh that crows feather was so painful on our bum
Walsh = Shaw
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Quote from: tbagrocks on May 03, 2015, 01:05:15 PM
Ok so heading in to Adelaide soon, then half way to North Adelaide. Can't wait for my boys to respond under Walshy and smack your bums ;)
ooh that crows feather was so painful on our bum
Walsh = Shaw
I'm just happy to see the Crows lose consecutive games. Should knock them + Phil Walsh back into reality
Disappointing game >:( I know Wines & Polec are injured and we came off a tough 5-game run (compared to West Coast's easy run) but if we are premiership contenders we cannot lose to teams that will most likely be out of top 8 contention. Disposal efficiency was shocking in the 2nd half and a lot of the players panicked (would say Gray & Westhoff carried the team).
Worst point of all though... When you have Schulz, Westhoff, & Ryder... all up forward... against a team which has almost all their key defenders missing... you should not struggle to score...
I know Schulz was corked, however Ryder dropped most marks in the 2nd half and players continually kicked to Schulz (over Westhoff) when they ought to have known that he was limited in his marking ability. Frustrating game, the Freo & Sydney losses are fine (expected) but if we want to win the premiership we can't lose to teams that don't make the 8 (would say the same thing about teams pushing for 7-8th). That's what prevented us from making the top 4 last season and if this continues it will happen again. This was the first top 8 side WCE has beaten in over a year, a great win for the eagles and well played. Disappointed this week in a complacent Power outfit >:(
So apparently Kane Cornes is gonna retire after his 300th game to be a firefighter.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-13/kane-cornes-expected-to-retire-after-300th-afl-game
Quote from: Nige on May 13, 2015, 10:51:53 AM
So apparently Kane Cornes is gonna retire after his 300th game to be a firefighter.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-13/kane-cornes-expected-to-retire-after-300th-afl-game
This can't be serious?
Wouldn't he be set for life in the media???
Plus, why not stick the 2015 season out for the team? Would have thought he is a pretty big piece of the puzzle...!
Quote from: Slashers on May 13, 2015, 03:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 13, 2015, 10:51:53 AM
So apparently Kane Cornes is gonna retire after his 300th game to be a firefighter.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-13/kane-cornes-expected-to-retire-after-300th-afl-game
This can't be serious?
Wouldn't he be set for life in the media???
Plus, why not stick the 2015 season out for the team? Would have thought he is a pretty big piece of the puzzle...!
He got an offer and can't defer it.
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Quote from: Slashers on May 13, 2015, 03:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 13, 2015, 10:51:53 AM
So apparently Kane Cornes is gonna retire after his 300th game to be a firefighter.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-13/kane-cornes-expected-to-retire-after-300th-afl-game
This can't be serious?
Wouldn't he be set for life in the media???
Plus, why not stick the 2015 season out for the team? Would have thought he is a pretty big piece of the puzzle...!
He got an offer and can't defer it.
So who's to blame for the timing of that?
Yea, he can't defer it, buy surely he can reapply at a later date.
Retire... then apply. Wouldn't that make better sense?
Very disappointed.. Not a big fan of mid season retirement unless due to form or LTI.
Quote from: Slashers on May 13, 2015, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 13, 2015, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Slashers on May 13, 2015, 03:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 13, 2015, 10:51:53 AM
So apparently Kane Cornes is gonna retire after his 300th game to be a firefighter.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-13/kane-cornes-expected-to-retire-after-300th-afl-game
This can't be serious?
Wouldn't he be set for life in the media???
Plus, why not stick the 2015 season out for the team? Would have thought he is a pretty big piece of the puzzle...!
He got an offer and can't defer it.
So who's to blame for the timing of that?
Yea, he can't defer it, buy surely he can reapply at a later date.
Retire... then apply. Wouldn't that make better sense?
Very disappointed.. Not a big fan of mid season retirement unless due to form or LTI.
Does the SA firefighters have an age limit for applications maybe?
Well its official
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-05-14/kane-cornes-retires
KANE Cornes will retire from senior football following his 300th game in a fortnight.
Somewhat fittingly, the boy who first wore the yellow and black of Glenelg before being drafted to Port Adelaide will close the football chapter of his life against those same colours when the Power plays the AFL’s Tigers, Richmond, on Sunday 24 May.
Mindful that 2015 would be his final year of elite football, the 32-year-old applied and was accepted into the South Australian Metropolitan Fire Service.
To commence his career, Cornes must accept a place in the SAMFS’s next training intake or risk not having the opportunity to do so again.
He accepted the offer with mixed emotions; starting the next chapter of his life a little sooner than expected.
“This is a great football club and I’ve had some incredible times at Port Adelaide and can’t thank the club enough for everything it has given me,†Cornes told portadelaidefc.com.au.
“This is the right time for me to give someone else an opportunity, we’ve got some terrific young players who will now step and make their mark on the game.â€
The decision to retire against Richmond will occur in line with Cornes’s 300th AFL game, in turn making him the first player to reach that milestone with Port Adelaide.
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Quote from: Slashers on May 13, 2015, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 13, 2015, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Slashers on May 13, 2015, 03:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 13, 2015, 10:51:53 AM
So apparently Kane Cornes is gonna retire after his 300th game to be a firefighter.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-13/kane-cornes-expected-to-retire-after-300th-afl-game
This can't be serious?
Wouldn't he be set for life in the media???
Plus, why not stick the 2015 season out for the team? Would have thought he is a pretty big piece of the puzzle...!
He got an offer and can't defer it.
So who's to blame for the timing of that?
Yea, he can't defer it, buy surely he can reapply at a later date.
Retire... then apply. Wouldn't that make better sense?
Very disappointed.. Not a big fan of mid season retirement unless due to form or LTI.
Does the SA firefighters have an age limit for applications maybe?
SAMFS only has applications like every 2nd year and tons of people try out so it's really hard to get in. I reckon he would've retired last year if he knew he would get in.
Holy Flower!!
We are not a top 4 teams >:( playing like absolute shower, had to turn the television off it was that frustrating. Barring Gray & Monfries, just horrid performances by everyone and it seems like Wines (a 20 yo) somewhat carries our side (Polec probably takes up 10-15% of the slack himself too)
Really doubt we can beat Richmond next week and I'd say the Lions have just about sealed it
Hinkley needs to omit Pittard (for a week or two), strong potential, playing like sh*t - probably our worst for the last two weeks. Hammer needs to step up because I'm doubting his status as a core player (auxiliary at best).
I know I'm venting but no team is so inconsistent that their best beats reigning premiers and their worst isn't sufficient to defeat the worst side in the comp. (now 3rd worst)
Good to see that there are some Port supporters that don't only come out when the sun is shining :P
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 17, 2015, 07:03:47 PM
Good to see that there are some Port supporters that don't only come out when the sun is shining :P
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on May 17, 2015, 07:03:47 PM
Good to see that there are some Port supporters that don't only come out when the sun is shining :P
I don't know why people won't complain. I was honestly embarrassed to be a power supporter today and they really should apologise to all the club's members. It's not that we lost to Brisbane (they were a significantly better team today) but that I had not seen our side play like this since 2011. Absolutely disgusting football and I couldn't ever sit through a whole quarter, the Power are in no place to get complacent (he haven't even finished in the top 4 since 07) and what I sensed from the players today was just a false sense of entitlement from the first bounce.
I thought their was nothing to fear at the end of the first quarter and that the Power would just run them straight out of the game - & I imagine the players did to with all the opportunities they were missing and turnovers they were producing while a tenacious and determined Brisbane outfit appeared to just be giving it their all (what every supporter wants from their club).
I started to get worried after a few goals in the 2nd quarter and noticed that our players were the more exhausted of the two teams (my doubts over their physical fitness are stronger than ever after watching the Lion's rookie players outrunning Ebert - maybe it's an illusion contrived through Matt White because I really have only seen it against Freo this season and we lost that game). After the Christensen goal at half time I thought we were really in trouble and was left frustrated, the game was just difficult to watch. It was over in the third quarter though, I came back just after a Wingard goal in the 4th and the Lions were quick to respond and I just accepted that they were outplayed in every single aspect of the game.
I'm doubting our club's eligibility for the 8, let alone the premiership.. People make jokes about Essendon's inconsistency but our form fadeouts are much more drastic (cost us a top 4 spot last season). We will have to make this up with a win over another top 4 side but I seriously doubt we'll beat Richmond next week :-\ The only thing I see going for us is a home field advantage and maybe a return from Ollie Wines but I honestly doubt that will cut it if this continues. They was certainly a reminder of the darkest era in our club's AFL history.
I think Hinkley needs to make a statement and omit Pittard because he is really starting to irritate me with these ridiculous turnovers (it's almost as if he is trying to show off how far he can kick the ball). Ryder was incredibly disappointing with all these dropped marks (bs he's the key to the flag). I don't even know what Westhoff, Boak, Hartlett, Broadbent, & Ebert were doing most of the time. I really get frustrated (and this has happened all season) when we enter the forward 50, yet no flowering player will take the flowering shot!!! If they won't take their opportunities the opposition will. I will watch the Richmond game but if they play anything like today I don't see any reason to watch them again until they step up again. It's not a question of loyalty, it's just I won't make the effort if it's not worth it (literally was like watching a train-wreck) just an ugly brand of football.
Well done Brisbane, they played really well. Robinson & Christensen finally fulfilled expectations, Rocky is still recovering but dealt with the tag well, and Beams & Rich were fantastic as usually. McStay is becoming quite dangerous with the contested marks too - could be a dangerous swingman one day.
Do not get too disillusioned mate. Inaccurate kicking cost you in the second half if that 1.7 had become say 4.3 result may have changed.
You still manged to switch the ball more quickly than we did from turnovers and the main issue was then getting free in the forward 50. We zoned well and you were not able to get over it.
I still do not believe you chose not to tag Rich or Beams by sending Cornes to Rocky. That imo was one of the biggest bungles.
You have to keep faith with your team and persevere through all. I should know as I have been supporting Bears/Lions for 27 years and have seen quite a few ups and down including a 200 point flogging at Carrarra. Sure you are disappointed but one game can turn it around. I still believe you can make the Top 4 but need to start showing something from now on. Maybe this is the Kick in the Pants that will rekindle your fire.
Agree with your summation on McStay.
We played crap but I am not worried. If you don't deserve to win then chances are you won't win, and Brisbane wanted to beat an AFL team at some point during the year (Sorry Carlton).
I just hope we turn it around this Sunday against Richmond.
I'm also waiting for a ~35k crowd to show up on a Sunday Twilight and the "Port fans are bandwagoners they lost two now they don't show up" call to show up. Can't expect too much on a Sunday Twilight. We got 38k on Mothers Day I hope we can replicate that this weekend. Also it's Kane's 300th! :D
Up the Power!
Quote from: PowerBug on May 18, 2015, 08:11:43 PM
We played crap but I am not worried. If you don't deserve to win then chances are you won't win, and Brisbane wanted to beat an AFL team at some point during the year (Sorry Carlton).
Haha ;D
Agree with Ringo, if you guys kicked straight, particularly in that 2nd quarter, game probably would've been a lot different. Also, Brisbane are GOAT so there's no shame in losing to us!
Quote from: Ringo on May 18, 2015, 08:02:03 PM
Do not get too disillusioned mate. Inaccurate kicking cost you in the second half if that 1.7 had become say 4.3 result may have changed.
You still manged to switch the ball more quickly than we did from turnovers and the main issue was then getting free in the forward 50. We zoned well and you were not able to get over it.
I still do not believe you chose not to tag Rich or Beams by sending Cornes to Rocky. That imo was one of the biggest bungles.
You have to keep faith with your team and persevere through all. I should know as I have been supporting Bears/Lions for 27 years and have seen quite a few ups and down including a 200 point flogging at Carrarra. Sure you are disappointed but one game can turn it around. I still believe you can make the Top 4 but need to start showing something from now on. Maybe this is the Kick in the Pants that will rekindle your fire.
Agree with your summation on McStay.
Agree with you 100% mate. Esp. with the decision to tag a recovering midfielder (who will always find the ball) over Beams or Rich (Rich is usually the 'go-to' man and this year he has thrived with the diverted attention to Beams). Hoping they get it together against Richmond, they can't rely on one player, however I think Ollie Wines is the best in our side and can make a difference - it will still be up to the rest of the side to lift though.
Brisbane have started to find form this season - and a lot earlier than I expected (usually happens in the second half of the year). A really good sign is that the recruits have finally become acclimated to their new team (esp. Beams who has been impressive, a lot of mids take time to adapt to increased attention from the opposition, this will really become good for him in the long-term). I really liked Lewis Taylor as well, not as fast as I imagined him being (thought of him as a Dangerfield, White, or Hill type), however he is very composed - impressive 2nd year player.
Is this where us Port supporters point out that Brisbane were expected to be pushing for the 8 this season? So we actually lost to a mid table team, not one that was 18th heading into the round :P
Or maybe Brion the Lion was that intimidating that the Port players thought it was an actual Lion like the CEO wanted.
Port showed how good they are against Freo, Hawks and the SHOWDOWN they killed us and we weren't bad! So ....... WTF?
Quote from: PowerBug on May 18, 2015, 08:37:57 PM
Is this where us Port supporters point out that Brisbane were expected to be pushing for the 8 this season? So we actually lost to a mid table team, not one that was 18th heading into the round :P
Or maybe Brion the Lion was that intimidating that the Port players thought it was an actual Lion like the CEO wanted.
I don't think we should discredit the Brisbane win, they did deserve it
Nevertheless, when you compare the perceivable difference between the two teams, quality of the lists, depth of talent, and the difficulties the Lions have faced over the past two seasons (literally 3 years worth of draft talent left the club, the most highly invested part of that talent -i.e. Polec- came to us) I think the Power really do need to be criticised. For a premiership contender the game should have been a comfortable win... Therefore, it is either Brisbane's best is the AFL's best or the Power's worst is not of top 8 standard.
The Power really need to work on consistency, form has been our greatest problem over the past 2 years and we cannot compete with teams like Hawthorn, Freo, & Sydney if we cannot perform as consistently. North Melbourne have improved on their form and Essendon seem to be more consistent this season, we don't want to take a step backwards this year and fall down the 8, let alone fall short of finals. I believe our best is the best in Australian football (Sydney is the only side we are yet to beat in good form), however it appears our worst would only make the cut against Carlton or the Gold Coast :-\
Still believe it was Brion the Lion
Not sure if teams have stepped up their fitness base, have worked out how to stop our run, or we just assume we're going to beat certain teams. Don't like what I saw on Sunday by any means, but think our best is very good. Kenny's got to make the players believe that, or it's going to be a hard slog to make the 8. In saying all that, WCE and the Lions played better footy than we did, and definitely deserved their wins.
Yeah Brion helped ;D
Result was a surprise, Port were poor Lions wanted it and to their credit played well and took it. Can't see Port playing that badly again anytime soon. Do Port need a plan B not sure yet but teams have done their homework and are hunting you this year. The run that was there is being stifled somewhat this year we have seen that. I think they will be ferocious this Sunday unlucky for the Tigers
and respond big time.
Quote from: Grazz on May 20, 2015, 05:33:56 PM
Result was a surprise, Port were poor Lions wanted it and to their credit played well and took it. Can't see Port playing that badly again anytime soon. Do Port need a plan B not sure yet but teams have done their homework and are hunting you this year. The run that was there is being stifled somewhat this year we have seen that. I think they will be ferocious this Sunday unlucky for the Tigers
and respond big time.
+1
our problem is that out of all the contenders, we are the easiest to hunt :-\ If we lose to the Tigers (who have the same intentions) it won't be long until the weakest teams attempt to claim the scalp (Melbourne almost did last season). I'm hoping they can lift for Cornes
Port are generally pretty good at seeing off their great players, Kane being their 1st 300 game player and just the player he's been will have the team fired up for this weekend. Sounds silly to say but this could just be the game they need to sort a few things out.
Quote from: Grazz on May 21, 2015, 03:04:00 PM
Port are generally pretty good at seeing off their great players, Kane being their 1st 300 game player and just the player he's been will have the team fired up for this weekend. Sounds silly to say but this could just be the game they need to sort a few things out.
I can recall Kane's brother's farewell game ;)
Quote from: Jayman on May 21, 2015, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on May 21, 2015, 03:04:00 PM
Port are generally pretty good at seeing off their great players, Kane being their 1st 300 game player and just the player he's been will have the team fired up for this weekend. Sounds silly to say but this could just be the game they need to sort a few things out.
I can recall Kane's brother's farewell game ;)
Haha same.
Quote from: Grazz on May 21, 2015, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: Jayman on May 21, 2015, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on May 21, 2015, 03:04:00 PM
Port are generally pretty good at seeing off their great players, Kane being their 1st 300 game player and just the player he's been will have the team fired up for this weekend. Sounds silly to say but this could just be the game they need to sort a few things out.
I can recall Kane's brother's farewell game ;)
Haha same.
I think it would be constructive for the team to acknowledge where they currently are at.
Hinkley needs to tell them that as of 24/05/2015 - we are the worst side in the league...
The only team I could see us having a chance against at this point in time is Carlton & maybe the Saint or Gold Coast. There is nothing more frustrating then seeing an entity with an abundance of resources fail to use them and the attention now needs to be turned towards Hinkley & Voss because the players are not hitting their objectives. The 3rd quarter was the best example, there was literally no point in winning all those contests if we only claimed one... literally one flowering goal... which Richmond not only rendered redundant in the opening seconds of the 4th quarter, but than scored a consecutive (basically putting us in a worse position than we were in at HT, literally took about a minute).
No communication whatsoever between players. It puzzles me that Trengove failed to think of telling at least one teammate he was injured, as opposed to being the liability he soon became.
Another disgraceful match. I see no point in Patrick Ryder tbh.. We were better off with small forwards who stepped and took shots. Not a gumby that can't even mark (if he's not marking the ball, why is the club even paying him >:( )
Incredibly frustrating to watch. The coaches need to be straightforward with the players and figure out a new gameplan (obviously it's too predictable). I think there needs to be drastic changes because I can't see this team winning a game if this form persists :-\ (honestly would be open to the prospect of Malthouse coming in hahaha :P - at least he is tough against players who flowering frustrate everyone)
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 24, 2015, 08:32:02 PM
I think it would be constructive for the team to acknowledge where they currently are at.
Hinkley needs to tell them that as of 24/05/2015 - we are the worst side in the league...
The only team I could see us having a chance against at this point in time is Carlton & maybe the Saint or Gold Coast. There is nothing more frustrating then seeing an entity with an abundance of resources fail to use them and the attention now needs to be turned towards Hinkley & Voss because the players are not hitting their objectives. The 3rd quarter was the best example, there was literally no point in winning all those contests if we only claimed one... literally one flowering goal... which Richmond not only rendered redundant in the opening seconds of the 4th quarter, but than scored a consecutive (basically putting us in a worse position than we were in at HT, literally took about a minute).
No communication whatsoever between players. It puzzles me that Trengove failed to think of telling at least one teammate he was injured, as opposed to being the liability he soon became.
Another disgraceful match. I see no point in Patrick Ryder tbh.. We were better off with small forwards who stepped and took shots. Not a gumby that can't even mark (if he's not marking the ball, why is the club even paying him >:( )
Incredibly frustrating to watch. The coaches need to be straightforward with the players and figure out a new gameplan (obviously it's too predictable). I think there needs to be drastic changes because I can't see this team winning a game if this form persists :-\ (honestly would be open to the prospect of Malthouse coming in hahaha :P - at least he is tough against players who flowering frustrate everyone)
The part in bold is the problem.
And Brion the Lion is still giving our players nightmares 8)
Quote from: PowerBug on May 24, 2015, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 24, 2015, 08:32:02 PM
I think it would be constructive for the team to acknowledge where they currently are at.
Hinkley needs to tell them that as of 24/05/2015 - we are the worst side in the league...
The only team I could see us having a chance against at this point in time is Carlton & maybe the Saint or Gold Coast. There is nothing more frustrating then seeing an entity with an abundance of resources fail to use them and the attention now needs to be turned towards Hinkley & Voss because the players are not hitting their objectives. The 3rd quarter was the best example, there was literally no point in winning all those contests if we only claimed one... literally one flowering goal... which Richmond not only rendered redundant in the opening seconds of the 4th quarter, but than scored a consecutive (basically putting us in a worse position than we were in at HT, literally took about a minute).
No communication whatsoever between players. It puzzles me that Trengove failed to think of telling at least one teammate he was injured, as opposed to being the liability he soon became.
Another disgraceful match. I see no point in Patrick Ryder tbh.. We were better off with small forwards who stepped and took shots. Not a gumby that can't even mark (if he's not marking the ball, why is the club even paying him >:( )
Incredibly frustrating to watch. The coaches need to be straightforward with the players and figure out a new gameplan (obviously it's too predictable). I think there needs to be drastic changes because I can't see this team winning a game if this form persists :-\ (honestly would be open to the prospect of Malthouse coming in hahaha :P - at least he is tough against players who flowering frustrate everyone)
The part in bold is the problem.
And Brion the Lion is still giving our players nightmares 8)
Yeah had strong suspicions about him (only real change since last season & has a poor track record as a coach)
What major changes has he made to the midfield though? Wines really made a difference with the contest possessions, the players seem more technically advanced than almost all other teams (execute steps and don't use evasive plays as a last resort), however that advantage is rendered moot when the players aren't executing the plays after the run (all the players can easily evade tacklers but they just turn it over when it comes to the disposal).
After today, I'm confident it has nothing to do with fitness... It's a structural problem and an unwillingness to undertake small (but by no means trivial tasks). Like I said last week, if the Power aren't willing to do all that needs to be done to win the game, there are 17 other teams that will. I have to say, excluding Robbie Gray, every player was responsible for at least one mishap (Westhoff being responsible for half of one) and if you follow up on these mishaps, or clangers if you will, you'll see that it would have lead to more than half of Richmond's total score. Add an inability to score and the Power seems to literally be giving the game away (esp. the Wingard/Schulz consecutive misses from point blank range which could have reduced the margin to 4 points in the 3rd quarter). I know how the Power are affected by form (so I'm not going to write them off just yet) but again, if this continues, I'm fearing the worst.
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 24, 2015, 08:32:02 PM
Hinkley needs to tell them that as of 24/05/2015 - we are the worst side in the league...
Carlton have a pretty good case. :P
Hey Port fans is there bad blood between Kane Cornes and Mark Choco Williams?
When they formed the guard of honor he shook Brendan Lades hand and Damien Hardwicks hand and ignored Choco, they were close enough to touch each other but neither looked as though it was on the cards, premiership player and coach? sad to see they couldnt have a hand shake or hug
Only 2 that played their guts out was Cornes :'( and HOMBSCH!!
Hombsch was huge! Actually went in HARD 'EVERY' single contest. Absolutely looked different to every other Port player out there.
Standout game. Congratulations Hombschy, you can hold your head high. Guaranteed game next week. Every other player should be put on notice.
Quote from: Slashers on May 25, 2015, 11:16:29 AM
Only 2 that played their guts out was Cornes :'( and HOMBSCH!!
Hombsch was huge! Actually went in HARD 'EVERY' single contest. Absolutely looked different to every other Port player out there.
Standout game. Congratulations Hombschy, you can hold your head high. Guaranteed game next week. Every other player should be put on notice.
They should flowering drop Pittard
Hartlett/Ryder/Schulz should be put on hard warnings as well >:(
I think the inability of the forward line to convert is the greatest problem. The defence and the midfield have to work harder as a result and the more they work the greater the probability for errors
Yes!! Now we can see whether '3 talls' up forward has been part of our goalkicking problem - Ryder out. I think our forward line was potent last year because of all the small forwards & then Schulz with support from the Hoff when needed. If we still struggle to score this week our forward trouble could be worse than imagined :-\
I reckon your forward troubles are because there's less clean ball coming in. Opponents have stopped your free running game forcing bombed forward entries easy for defences to deal with.
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 28, 2015, 07:05:56 PM
I reckon your forward troubles are because there's less clean ball coming in. Opponents have stopped your free running game forcing bombed forward entries easy for defences to deal with.
Yeah Hinkley really needs to alter the game-plan. I think the running paradigm depends on player effort. E.g. our huge fade in 2014 followed by trampling Richmond - the free-running game play did not change. But I have to agree, like the Clarkson Cluster in 2009, Hinkley needs to think of something new because it is becoming too predictable
;D
Need a comparable win against the Bulldogs to restore my confidence
For now I am happy with what I saw in the final 3 quarters :)
Glad we could play you guys into form ::)
Quote from: Big Mac on May 30, 2015, 07:32:40 PM
Glad we could play you guys into form ::)
Demons played well, they were just unlucky that it had to be this week.
If we played like we did against Richmond or Brisbane, I think the scoreline would have been demons by 30-40.
As for the Power supporters who has impressed by Amon? I think he should have been given the full game and Sam Gray should have gotten the red vest. The kid was slick and efficient with the ball
So what's you take on the 'Ryder OUT' scenario? Has he disrupted our balance?
Quote from: Slashers on May 30, 2015, 11:24:56 PM
So what's you take on the 'Ryder OUT' scenario? Has he disrupted our balance?
Definitely, the small forwards & mids scored the goals this game and even Schulz could kick a bag. I think the problem with Ryder is he provide a desired target for the supply line. Now this wouldn't be a problem if he marked the ball, however that was not the case over the last month :-\
Also, I can't stand when he gets the ball in play and looks for these useless handballs rather than backing himself in for a shot - today I was proud to see a lot of our mids & small forwards just going for it which was something I hadn't seen since the Hawthorn game. Ryder is too slow to contribute when the ball is in play, and he is diverting the supply from Wingard, Westhoff, & Schulz, who are all better markers. They really need to find someway he can fit into the line-up without being damaging to the team (I feel the Hawks & Crows games weren't a big deal because Lobbe was still recovering at the time and Ryder shouldered most of the load - now to play one of these two rucks as a forward is a waste of talent, however I don't like Ryder resting forward unless he does what he was recruited to do - i.e. kicking goals). I am strongly of the opinion that he was the reason our team struggled to score of the last 3 weeks
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 30, 2015, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: Slashers on May 30, 2015, 11:24:56 PM
So what's you take on the 'Ryder OUT' scenario? Has he disrupted our balance?
Definitely, the small forwards & mids scored the goals this game and even Schulz could kick a bag. I think the problem with Ryder is he provide a desired target for the supply line. Now this wouldn't be a problem if he marked the ball, however that was not the case over the last month :-\
Also, I can't stand when he gets the ball in play and looks for these useless handballs rather than backing himself in for a shot - today I was proud to see a lot of our mids & small forwards just going for it which was something I hadn't seen since the Hawthorn game. Ryder is too slow to contribute when the ball is in play, and he is diverting the supply from Wingard, Westhoff, & Schulz, who are all better markers. They really need to find someway he can fit into the line-up without being damaging to the team (I feel the Hawks & Crows games weren't a big deal because Lobbe was still recovering at the time and Ryder shouldered most of the load - now to play one of these two rucks as a forward is a waste of talent, however I don't like Ryder resting forward unless he does what he was recruited to do - i.e. kicking goals). I am strongly of the opinion that he was the reason our team struggled to score of the last 3 weeks
Play Westhoff as a permanent defender (Goddard style / rebounder) and have Ryder take his forward role? Lobbe sole ruck except for the odd rest??
Yes do that please Port. Picked Hoff in SuperCoach and he finally tonned up yesterday.
As for the match itself, it was a good win and maybe the players went on a spiritual journey (it is indigenous week after all) this week to relieve the nightmares that Brion the Lion was causing them ;D
Quote from: Slashers on May 31, 2015, 12:33:12 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 30, 2015, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: Slashers on May 30, 2015, 11:24:56 PM
So what's you take on the 'Ryder OUT' scenario? Has he disrupted our balance?
Definitely, the small forwards & mids scored the goals this game and even Schulz could kick a bag. I think the problem with Ryder is he provide a desired target for the supply line. Now this wouldn't be a problem if he marked the ball, however that was not the case over the last month :-\
Also, I can't stand when he gets the ball in play and looks for these useless handballs rather than backing himself in for a shot - today I was proud to see a lot of our mids & small forwards just going for it which was something I hadn't seen since the Hawthorn game. Ryder is too slow to contribute when the ball is in play, and he is diverting the supply from Wingard, Westhoff, & Schulz, who are all better markers. They really need to find someway he can fit into the line-up without being damaging to the team (I feel the Hawks & Crows games weren't a big deal because Lobbe was still recovering at the time and Ryder shouldered most of the load - now to play one of these two rucks as a forward is a waste of talent, however I don't like Ryder resting forward unless he does what he was recruited to do - i.e. kicking goals). I am strongly of the opinion that he was the reason our team struggled to score of the last 3 weeks
Play Westhoff as a permanent defender (Goddard style / rebounder) and have Ryder take his forward role? Lobbe sole ruck except for the odd rest??
That would be ideal... as long as Ryder marks the ball :P
hahaha Thank god Ryder has been ruled out again. I really want us to win this Friday :P
I'm going to be honest, we played like shower that game
However, flower that ref, flower off it was touched, Colquhoun had the set shot and this ref had been making questionable calls against Port all game. The guy was an incompetent flowering d**khead. Next time Port play and that ref is calling the game I want Wines to bump him, in play, and I'll pray for broken bones. >:(
Again, we played like shower, nevertheless we were robbed of the chance to win by a bullshower call - which no other individual would have made. Flowering showerhead should look up the word 'impartial' in the dictionary.
Flowering hack!!
Umps had money on the Blues, was pathetic all day.
Umpires, Schulz and Mitchell cost you the game in the end despite playing poorly.
Quote from: Ringo on June 20, 2015, 05:47:29 PM
Umpires, Schulz and Mitchell cost you the game in the end despite playing poorly.
+1
Agree with all of the above
Plus four simple mistakes in the 1st quarter that all resulting in goals for the Blues (Jonas 2x, Ebert's dropped mark, & Broadbent's goal assist - for the wrong team). Port were horrible but at the end of the day the 4 pts would have been highly valued if Colquhoun had the opportunity to shoot (they didn't necessarily deserve the win though - the errors the players made indicated that they are not playing at AFL standard (no player in any team would be making comparable mistakes that frequently, if at all)
Just want to state that (excluding Gibbs) I have nothing against the Blues
If I ever have to listen to Eddie McGuire call another Power game I'm switching off immediately. That guy is a absolute knob!!
Occasionally there IS a game that feels like its Team 1 VS Team 2 + the Umps + the commentary team... and this was one of them.
Even though Port weren't up to a 100+ win standard, they still deserved a chance to win, playing poorly or not. I would have taken it.
So meeting a fuming Sydney and John Longmire in Sydney would normally be a bad thing, but this might just be the lucky break we need.
If Franklin and Tippett both get a week (which I think is inevitable), then they face us and they will be $2,000,000 cheaper than other weeks. This makes Reid and Goodes the main lead up forwards and we can take them.
I'm not sure whether I want Ryder playing or not. I think him being in the team is better than him not being in the team, but I can see Port playing too many talls and Sydney being considerably smaller we won't need Carlile, Trengove, Jonas, Hombsch, Lobbe, Ryder, Schulz, Westhoff all playing. Then chuck in Krakouer and Broadbent down back it just feels really really tall. As much as it isn't entirely his fault, I think Tom Jonas should be dropped for another small (Not O'Shea, that doesn't fix the problem).
We gotta win 8 of our least 10 if we want to sneak into finals, and we have to play Sydney (A), Collingwood (H), Adelaide (H), Hawthorn (A), Fremantle (H).
This might be the luck we need, Port must capitalize on Thursday. Oh, and Thursday's my birthday, so they better not stuff it up for me :P
Quote from: PowerBug on June 28, 2015, 07:11:09 PM
So meeting a fuming Sydney and John Longmire in Sydney would normally be a bad thing, but this might just be the lucky break we need.
If Franklin and Tippett both get a week (which I think is inevitable), then they face us and they will be $2,000,000 cheaper than other weeks. This makes Reid and Goodes the main lead up forwards and we can take them.
I'm not sure whether I want Ryder playing or not. I think him being in the team is better than him not being in the team, but I can see Port playing too many talls and Sydney being considerably smaller we won't need Carlile, Trengove, Jonas, Hombsch, Lobbe, Ryder, Schulz, Westhoff all playing. Then chuck in Krakouer and Broadbent down back it just feels really really tall. As much as it isn't entirely his fault, I think Tom Jonas should be dropped for another small (Not O'Shea, that doesn't fix the problem).
We gotta win 8 of our least 10 if we want to sneak into finals, and we have to play Sydney (A), Collingwood (H), Adelaide (H), Hawthorn (A), Fremantle (H).
This might be the luck we need, Port must capitalize on Thursday. Oh, and Thursday's my birthday, so they better not stuff it up for me :P
+1
Have to agree, surely Ryder should be able to step up now that Westhoff & Schulz have opened a door for him. They have both been shower, now it's his chance to prove himself. If he can't do it now I have little faith that he ever can.
I think one of our recent problems has been a lack of competent talls. Trengove has been shower most of the season, Westhoff has declined horrendously, & Schulz has been showerhouse - more of an opportunist than anything this season. Pittard really needs to stop flowering around. Ebert needs to regain form. Broadbent needs to stop giving the opposition goals. Wingard needs support carrying the forward line (and not solely support from Gray). Boak, Wines, & Gray need support carrying the midfield. Hombsch needs support carrying the defence.
I really want Port to win...
But, sadly, I don't see us even coming close - with or without the Bondi billionaires. Considering all the problems in our team this season and the fact we are playing a team that thrives because they don't make mistakes and capitalise on the opposition's errors, I think the best case scenario is that we actually compete with them. Hinkley & Kochies' blind faith approach was good publicity when we were on top, however it is substandard management and coaching when the only viable game plan we have is one the opposition knows. The fact they are saying we are losing because we are "spooked" is a ridiculous excuse.
It's this easy, the players will only stop making errors once they regain confidence. They will only regain confidence by winning. They will only win if they conceive a game plan which isn't blatantly obvious to the opposition (it's almost insulting to the other 17 clubs that Port don't make the effort to change - but why would they complain when it's a free win). Therefore, until they change their whole strategic approach they won't win a game, the players will lose moral, and the season will slump to a losing streak which is dismissed by 1 or 2 convincing wins at the end of the season against either apathetic teams comfortably locked into the finals or teams in the same position as us (maybe a close clash match with a desperate GCS) which management will state are a "sign of things to come" while the rest of the AFL laughs at us.
HINKLEY CHANGE THE FLOWERING GAME PLAN!!!!!
It's that simple (we could possibly finish 6th-8th but I would say 6th would be a huge achievement at this point if they turned their season around - a new strategy may take a while for these players to become acclimated to).
I really want them to beat Sydney, however I just think it's unrealistic at this point, and from what I've seen this season, unless the win comes from a new game plan, it will not turn our season around.
Finally played that fast paced brand of football for the first quarter to smash a complacent Collingwood (w/o White & Polec). However, the problem was the boys failed to maintain the form for the next three quarters (in contrast to the Hawthorn game where they only failed to maintain the form for the second half). They played well and will need to continue winning before there is anything to celebrate. I was proud of them again yesterday and they finally played a game like favourites (it felt like Collingwood was trying to challenge Port, as opposed to my dreaded feeling that the game would feel as if Port were trying to challenge the Pies).
The draw is quite easy for the Power from here but we need consecutive wins all the way through the guarantee a finals spot (something we haven't been able to do this season). We did it in 2013 however teams didn't perceive us as a threat then. Now comes the big challenge. I think if we can knock out consecutive wins and find form by the final two games against Hawthorn & Fremantle I have no doubts that we will be eliminated in an elimination final. If we make finals, I think the boys won't have any problems making it to the semis or even the prelims (however, again, the problem is getting there first). This was the first positive step for the club in a long time and could be the turning point, however we must win these games to remain a finals chance.
Crows, Essendon (problems with both sides in the past), St Kilda (dangerous side - don't underestimate them, they will take the win this year if you give it to them), WB (another tough one), GWS (actually becoming less afraid of this team since Mumford went - still dangerous), Hawthorn, GCFC (I think the AFL screwed us by giving us GCFC when their best players would all return - the draw has been heavily favouring teams like Collingwood and making the season tough for teams like us & Geelong), Freo (at Adelaide Oval, but Freo...)
The run may seem comparatively easy due to the match-ups in the first half of the season. However, none of the aforementioned games will be easy in any sense. It is a tough run home and I'm resorting the faith at this point rather than logic. If I had to bet, I'd say the boys could do it. If I had to give a frank opinion, it would be best not to hear it. I still back our talent, but there are a lot of spud players holding us back. The former are really going to have to stand up to keep this season alive.
Also, if I had to name my 3 B&F players at this point; Wingard (has carried the forward line), Hombsch (has carried our defence), & Gray (along with Wines & Boak has carried out midfield)(Wines just misses out)
Crows fan here... Just wanted to say how much class your club showed last night with that tribute to Walsh. I've held it together all week but last night, that video, combined with the lights being switched off at the Oval, really moved me. It was like a beautiful sadness.
And Kenny's comments in the presser wishing us the best was really good to see.
Going to be a weird build-up to the Showdown this week... that 'hatred' will go out the window. I've often liked to bag Port but you guys were brilliant last night, during and after the game. You deserve a lot of respect for that tribute, well done
Quote from: Tominator on July 10, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
Crows fan here... Just wanted to say how much class your club showed last night with that tribute to Walsh. I've held it together all week but last night, that video, combined with the lights being switched off at the Oval, really moved me. It was like a beautiful sadness.
And Kenny's comments in the presser wishing us the best was really good to see.
Going to be a weird build-up to the Showdown this week... that 'hatred' will go out the window. I've often liked to bag Port but you guys were brilliant last night, during and after the game. You deserve a lot of respect for that tribute, well done
Well said mate.
Quote from: Tominator on July 10, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
Crows fan here... Just wanted to say how much class your club showed last night with that tribute to Walsh. I've held it together all week but last night, that video, combined with the lights being switched off at the Oval, really moved me. It was like a beautiful sadness.
And Kenny's comments in the presser wishing us the best was really good to see.
Going to be a weird build-up to the Showdown this week... that 'hatred' will go out the window. I've often liked to bag Port but you guys were brilliant last night, during and after the game. You deserve a lot of respect for that tribute, well done
+1
I don't think either clubs will be competing against each other next week. They will be playing in Walsh's memory as he has shaped the way in which both teams play their attacking brand of football. Yeah I think the club had to do something big as they didn't have the opportunity to against the Swans. Really admired how the AFL came together last week and I would expect every club he was involved with to continue with personal tributes for the next few weeks (definitely Port & Crows next week - longest tenure at the former and first head coaching role in the latter).
The Power claimed that the best thing they could do in Walsh's memory was win against Collingwood, and you could see how much that meant to a lot of the players - esp. Wines (who outplayed Pendlebury...), Broadbent (who had been shocking all season), Pittard, Westhoff, & Wingard (all players he would have directly dealt with - whether during the early stages (e.g. Wingard as a mid) or in reinvigorating their careers (e.g. Justin Westhoff in '13 & Robbie Gray in '14). He really was one of the best midfield coaches and would have done incredible things for the Crows.
Quote from: Tominator on July 10, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
Crows fan here... Just wanted to say how much class your club showed last night with that tribute to Walsh. I've held it together all week but last night, that video, combined with the lights being switched off at the Oval, really moved me. It was like a beautiful sadness.
And Kenny's comments in the presser wishing us the best was really good to see.
Going to be a weird build-up to the Showdown this week... that 'hatred' will go out the window. I've often liked to bag Port but you guys were brilliant last night, during and after the game. You deserve a lot of respect for that tribute, well done
Must agree with you Tom, I was also very moved after the game. Really tugged the heartstrings
Also agree on the Showdown. It's going to be one that both supporters are going to feel mixed emotions I think. Normally I'd be feeling so pumped playing you boys, but really don't feel that at the moment
With Phil being involved at both clubs in the last couple of years, it sort of feels we've got common ground at the moment, sort of like family
I feel strange saying this, but i'll be supporting you guys big time tonight, and hope you get up (even though I like the Eagles ) so Phil looks down with a big smile on his face
Best of luck guys
Quote from: Tominator on July 10, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
Crows fan here... Just wanted to say how much class your club showed last night with that tribute to Walsh. I've held it together all week but last night, that video, combined with the lights being switched off at the Oval, really moved me. It was like a beautiful sadness.
And Kenny's comments in the presser wishing us the best was really good to see.
Going to be a weird build-up to the Showdown this week... that 'hatred' will go out the window. I've often liked to bag Port but you guys were brilliant last night, during and after the game. You deserve a lot of respect for that tribute, well done
Well said mate, it was something very special, Kaz and i couldn't stop pressing play watching it again and again.
To all the Port supporters, coaching staff and players i sincerely wish you all the very best for the Showdown today. May we both put on a show that is a fitting tribute to a good man that has touched both our clubs deeply and his passing hurt all of us in ways we are only just beginning to understand. We only had Phil for a short time but true to the nature of the man he wove his way into our hearts as he did your's. The journey for us had only just begun, i'll forever feel like what if, what could of been had Phil been able to continue that journey and maybe paint that masterpiece he spoke of. This will stay with me for a long time.
We'll never really know but what I do know is we both share a common affection for a man whose passing has brought us all together as one like no other probably could. We feel your pain as much as our own and i pray nothing like this ever afflicts either of us again. Today we put all differences aside today We Fly As One today we comfort and embrace each other when it all get's to hard and the emotions surface. God bless Phil's family God bless us all. Goodluck to you I wish you all the best for a very difficult and emotional day ahead.
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Phil Walsh 1960-2015 RIP
Ollie Wines out for the season :'(
If we are any chance of making the finals now. Andrew Moore needs to stand up and perform the role he was drafted to before Wines proved the better fit.
I have been incredibly critical of Moore over the past two seasons. In 2013 I thought he was finally coming through as a prospect, however in 2014 & this season he's been one of my least favourite players (Butcher still my least favourite). There is a silver lining though, last weekend, against St Kilda, Andrew Moore played the best game of AFL football I've seen from him. It wasn't spectacular, and it wasn't comparable to Wines but it means the talent is there and he's just struggling to utilise it. It was the only game in the last two years where I didn't despise him and think "why did Hinkley select him to play?".
Wines injury could be the blow that ends our season without a chance, or it could be the opportunity Moore needs to prove himself. If he consistently performs like he did against the Saints, I will have faith. If he continues to build and improve each week, my confidence in Port will remain as strong as it's been over the past 4 weeks. It's nearly impossible from here - we literally can't lose a game to be guaranteed a spot or lose one game and hope things fall into place (I prefer the former, but realistically the best case scenario will be the latter - Hawks are too good and Freo will hopefully rest players (still unlikely). But if there is any group of players that have proven to defy the impossible over the last two seasons it's Hinkley's Port Adelaide (I mean Wingard does the physically impossible every game, and Westhoff every 3rd game :P ). Going to be tough, but I think if we are any chance at this hoop dream, achieving it rests with many factors, and one of the most crucial factors will be Andrew Moore.
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 05, 2015, 11:45:27 PM
Ollie Wines out for the season :'(
If we are any chance of making the finals now. Andrew Moore needs to stand up and perform the role he was drafted to before Wines proved the better fit.
I have been incredibly critical of Moore over the past two seasons. In 2013 I thought he was finally coming through as a prospect, however in 2014 & this season he's been one of my least favourite players (Butcher still my least favourite). There is a silver lining though, last weekend, against St Kilda, Andrew Moore played the best game of AFL football I've seen from him. It wasn't spectacular, and it wasn't comparable to Wines but it means the talent is there and he's just struggling to utilise it. It was the only game in the last two years where I didn't despise him and think "why did Hinkley select him to play?".
Wines injury could be the blow that ends our season without a chance, or it could be the opportunity Moore needs to prove himself. If he consistently performs like he did against the Saints, I will have faith. If he continues to build and improve each week, my confidence in Port will remain as strong as it's been over the past 4 weeks. It's nearly impossible from here - we literally can't lose a game to be guaranteed a spot or lose one game and hope things fall into place (I prefer the former, but realistically the best case scenario will be the latter - Hawks are too good and Freo will hopefully rest players (still unlikely). But if there is any group of players that have proven to defy the impossible over the last two seasons it's Hinkley's Port Adelaide (I mean Wingard does the physically impossible every game, and Westhoff every 3rd game :P ). Going to be tough, but I think if we are any chance at this hoop dream, achieving it rests with many factors, and one of the most crucial factors will be Andrew Moore.
I actually borrowed a mates membership pass as he was crook and couldn't go so i said i'll use it which was surprise to him and he asked why knowing i'm a Crows supporter " are you thinking of coming over to the Power" he said, told him i thought he was smarter than that haha then said no i'd really like to go and watch Ollie play and i was hoping GM would be at the game and we could catch up for a beer or twelve. You can imagine my dismay when Ollie was injured so early and GM wasn't able to go to top it off. :(
I enjoy going to games and watching certain players where i have no emotional attachment i just enjoy footy and seeing games where your team isn't involved are pretty enjoyable from a footy purist point of view.
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Quote from: powersuperkents on August 05, 2015, 11:45:27 PM
Ollie Wines out for the season :'(
If we are any chance of making the finals now. Andrew Moore needs to stand up and perform the role he was drafted to before Wines proved the better fit.
I have been incredibly critical of Moore over the past two seasons. In 2013 I thought he was finally coming through as a prospect, however in 2014 & this season he's been one of my least favourite players (Butcher still my least favourite). There is a silver lining though, last weekend, against St Kilda, Andrew Moore played the best game of AFL football I've seen from him. It wasn't spectacular, and it wasn't comparable to Wines but it means the talent is there and he's just struggling to utilise it. It was the only game in the last two years where I didn't despise him and think "why did Hinkley select him to play?".
Wines injury could be the blow that ends our season without a chance, or it could be the opportunity Moore needs to prove himself. If he consistently performs like he did against the Saints, I will have faith. If he continues to build and improve each week, my confidence in Port will remain as strong as it's been over the past 4 weeks. It's nearly impossible from here - we literally can't lose a game to be guaranteed a spot or lose one game and hope things fall into place (I prefer the former, but realistically the best case scenario will be the latter - Hawks are too good and Freo will hopefully rest players (still unlikely). But if there is any group of players that have proven to defy the impossible over the last two seasons it's Hinkley's Port Adelaide (I mean Wingard does the physically impossible every game, and Westhoff every 3rd game :P ). Going to be tough, but I think if we are any chance at this hoop dream, achieving it rests with many factors, and one of the most crucial factors will be Andrew Moore.
I actually borrowed a mates membership pass as he was crook and couldn't go so i said i'll use it which was surprise to him and he asked why knowing i'm a Crows supporter " are you thinking of coming over to the Power" he said, told him i thought he was smarter than that haha then said no i'd really like to go and watch Ollie play and i was hoping GM would be at the game and we could catch up for a beer or twelve. You can imagine my dismay when Ollie was injured so early and GM wasn't able to go to top it off. :(
I enjoy going to games and watching certain players where i have no emotional attachment i just enjoy footy and seeing games where your team isn't involved are pretty enjoyable from a footy purist point of view.
Yeah, with a player like Wines you have to think about the long-term, even if that makes the remainder of the season impossible (Hinkley has taken the same precautions with Polec this season as well). He is one of the players I hate to see injured (I thought R3 was bad, however to dislocate his shoulder in such a trivial play is devastating - a hip-and-should to win possession which literally had no negative ramifications if he lost).
The Bulldogs are a formidable side, however if we lose we didn't deserved to make finals:
Matched up against
Sydney twice (lost both)
Adelaide twice (lost once)
Bulldogs twice (one once - 2nd tbd)
Hawthorn twice (one once - 2nd tbd)
Freo twice (lost once - 2nd tbd)
I just think it's crucial that if you want to challenge for the top 8 - you've got to win at least one of these match-ups twice (a bit ridiculous that we had to play 5 top 8 teams twice but that's the expectation placed upon a team finishing 3rd and they couldn't handle it this season). Bulldogs, Hawks, and Freo will be crucial match-ups and I'm worried that GWS and the Suns could be surprise packages. It's a tough run on paper and having our best contested mid gone is only going to aggravate the draw. I'm still hoping but we'll have to beat the three other teams and one of Freo & Hawthorn just for 'a hope' of mathematically slipping through - and we aren't a side known for maintaining 'good form', like, for example, the Tiges. I'd only list Collingwood as a further chance to make it out of all the contenders.
I did the ladder predictor with us winning all games, the rest how I think they will happen. I still had us outside the 8 on %. Whilst we can I will believe, but it won't happen unfortunately. Need some of the sides to fall over completely, and Geelong are back to playing very well.
Let's just try to end the season with some wins :)
Quote from: PowerBug on August 06, 2015, 10:25:05 PM
I did the ladder predictor with us winning all games, the rest how I think they will happen. I still had us outside the 8 on %. Whilst we can I will believe, but it won't happen unfortunately. Need some of the sides to fall over completely, and Geelong are back to playing very well.
Let's just try to end the season with some wins :)
Same outcome, we needed Essendon to beat the Bulldogs last week. So already it hasn't worked out :P
Essendon will need to win a few of their match-ups for us to stand a chance, the Demons will need to beat the Bulldogs as well. I don't think the Bulldogs will throw away the win against the Demons like they did last time. It's almost impossible to make the 8, but in the end - if we don't make finals, doesn't everyone lose (missing out on the most entertaining finals team of the last 2 years) :P
Unlikely now, I think the Crows or Geelong will take the remaining spot.
On my ladder predictor I was expecting the Crows to lose to the Tiges (who definitely won't fall out of the top 8). One good thing is that at least a team who deserves to make finals will be there (i.e. the Crows, Bulldogs, or Geelong). The Crows outplayed Richmond last night and showed they were a real finals team (they made Richmond look horrible - excluding Dusty). I think the top 8 will be:
Freo
WCE (could lose their place to the Hawks but guaranteed top 3)
Hawthorn
Sydney
Richmond
Nth Melbourne (actually guaranteed 6th spot based on their remaining games)
Bulldogs/Geelong/Crows (for 7th and 8th)
I would say this is a good finals fixture. If the hack Magpie or GWS made it, I would feel like it was unfair (as those two teams were given easy draws this season and aren't real finals teams as of now (both will definitely be in the future though). The 9 teams listed above played ordinary and were much more consistent than us (only the Swan, arguably, had a form slump - that lasted two weeks... and Fremantle still won during their form slump). North had a tough draw to start the season and will comfortably return to where they should be. I'm sad we are probably not going to make finals but I can't complain (I feel all the teams above deserved it more - in fact we would be on 40pts right now if we didn't throw away two easy wins :-[ - that is really what made the difference in the end - Carlton & Brisbane...)
We have a young side (no players over 30 yet - Schulz is close though), all we need is one of our key forwards in development to stand up and we will be challenging for the next 5 years. Also, as Adelaide & West Coast have shown over the last 2 years, a pick from 10-12 in the draft can do big things as well or we could use it to try and steal Scharenberg from the Pies (apparently he's not liking Melbourne) :P
Just with Polec, Wines, & Carlisle out (our only fullback - Hombsch has still been fantastic though). It seems like an insurmountable effort. Furthermore, we had to rely on the Cats, Bulldogs, & Crows giving in and it doesn't look like they plan to (demonstrating they are finals quality). Honestly though, a team's season becomes a joke when they start off as premiership favourites and lose to the worst team (Brisbane), by 40, and the only other team the worst team has beaten (Carlton) haha. I'm confident that we will bounce back hard next year (an easier draw (if the AFL doesn't screw us over again, the only top 8 team we'll play twice is the Crows), a higher draft pick, and the return of my favourite outside mid in the AFL we certainly make things easier for us)
Here's the list of players I want to see fired/replaced by next season:
1. Jay Schulz (try and recruit Dixon - the guy is a has been - leading score since arriving, first year he hasn't been, therefore time to move on)
2. Sam Gray (useless)
3. Aaron Young (useless)
4. Sam Colquhoun (how does this guy get games...)
5. Tom Clurey (I haven't liked anything I've seen from this kid)
6. Cam O'Spud (name says it all)
Andrew Moore would be on this list but he has performed quite well over the last 2 weeks. These spuds better be gone next season. I want to see the club try and target Dixon, Scharenberg, or Motlop (if we can recruit one it would be a success).
Finishing that way was disgusting and I can't believe the team will actually play the Hawks & Dockers in the coming weeks (literally just formalities for the two clubs 4pts they will inevitably gain). If Wines & Polec are really that crucial, the leadership group should be ashamed because even with Boak, Hartlett, & Gray I could not see us winning a game without Wines, Wingard, & Polec - literal dependence. Hinkley better make some big flowering changes, because losing to the Bulldogs is not bad, getting humiliated by them like Essendon did last week is not okay. His job should be on the ropes just to provide him with the incentive to remove the spuds and devise a new flowering gameplan >:(
Time to drop Lobbe? 2 disposals is just unacceptable.
Quote from: TomK on August 08, 2015, 05:21:24 PM
Time to drop Lobbe? 2 disposals is just unacceptable.
He's had an absurd season and Ryder is obviously the significantly better ruck (barring his below-amateur hit out through the goals in the final quarter >:( ). Lobbe is younger though but I would be open to the club trading him for value. However, I think he has upwards potential (last 2 years he was fantastic) and could just be in a slump. It could be a bit rash, but I would not miss any of the players listed above (only would miss Schulz if we didn't have a starter to replace him - would need to transfer someone in).
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Quote from: TomK on August 08, 2015, 05:21:24 PM
Time to drop Lobbe? 2 disposals is just unacceptable.
He's had an absurd season and Ryder is obviously the significantly better ruck (barring his below-amateur hit out through the goals in the final quarter >:( ). Lobbe is younger though but I would be open to the club trading him for value. However, I think he has upwards potential (last 2 years he was fantastic) and could just be in a slump. It could be a bit rash, but I would not miss any of the players listed above (only would miss Schulz if we didn't have a starter to replace him - would need to transfer someone in).
Did Ryder give away a goal? :P
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Time to drop Lobbe? 2 disposals is just unacceptable.
He's had an absurd season and Ryder is obviously the significantly better ruck (barring his below-amateur hit out through the goals in the final quarter >:( ). Lobbe is younger though but I would be open to the club trading him for value. However, I think he has upwards potential (last 2 years he was fantastic) and could just be in a slump. It could be a bit rash, but I would not miss any of the players listed above (only would miss Schulz if we didn't have a starter to replace him - would need to transfer someone in).
Did Ryder give away a goal? :P
Yeah Mitch Robinson style. But to be fair, it was Jasper Showerttard's fault when he slipped over the line during a kick out - thus, resulting in a ball-up infront of our goals.
Lobbe won just about every hit-outs, however I can't recall one of them going to our team (almost as if he was the Bulldog's ruckman because he set up most of their 2nd & 3rd quarter clearances...)
The team has a lot to work on, if we want a premiership, big changes need to be made over the next 3 years - the spuds hide well when he had our running gameplan. There's no place for them to hide now (need a 'play well or leave' mentality like Leppa)
Rumour is strong up here that you are favoured to sign Charlie Dixon because of his relationship with Hinkley and Hart.
Quote from: Ringo on August 09, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Rumour is strong up here that you are favoured to sign Charlie Dixon because of his relationship with Hinkley and Hart.
Port don't have alot of cash spare in their cap apparently, can they come up with a deal that gets him. Crows could offer him a better deal i think.
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Quote from: Ringo on August 09, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Rumour is strong up here that you are favoured to sign Charlie Dixon because of his relationship with Hinkley and Hart.
Port don't have alot of cash spare in their cap apparently, can they come up with a deal that gets him. Crows could offer him a better deal i think.
Crows are after Motlop and if they want him it will cost the $600k freed up by Dangerfield. Scharenberg is another the two teams will take a punt at. Port will have cash to spare, if we don't extend Schulz's contract (on of our highest paid players).
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Rumour is strong up here that you are favoured to sign Charlie Dixon because of his relationship with Hinkley and Hart.
Port don't have alot of cash spare in their cap apparently, can they come up with a deal that gets him. Crows could offer him a better deal i think.
Crows are after Motlop and if they want him it will cost the $600k freed up by Dangerfield. Scharenberg is another the two teams will take a punt at. Port will have cash to spare, if we don't extend Schulz's contract (on of our highest paid players).
We've still got room in the cap this year, think you guys are close to 100% now.
His relationship with Hinkley would have you guys in the box seat particularly if Schultz leaves as you said mate theres the cash right there.
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Quote from: Ringo on August 09, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Rumour is strong up here that you are favoured to sign Charlie Dixon because of his relationship with Hinkley and Hart.
Port don't have alot of cash spare in their cap apparently, can they come up with a deal that gets him. Crows could offer him a better deal i think.
Crows are after Motlop and if they want him it will cost the $600k freed up by Dangerfield. Scharenberg is another the two teams will take a punt at. Port will have cash to spare, if we don't extend Schulz's contract (on of our highest paid players).
We've still got room in the cap this year, think you guys are close to 100% now.
His relationship with Hinkley would have you guys in the box seat particularly if Schultz leaves as you said mate theres the cash right there.
Schulz doesn't want to leave though, and I don't think Hinkley would want him to :-\
It's tough because the club are unable to offer Schulz more money (as you said, they are close to 100%) and have only been offering him pay cuts. I don't see Port getting rid of Schulz so it will most likely be between the Crows (don't know how he will fit into your forward line though - unless he's more of a long-term option) or the Lions (how I think would be close to maxing out there salary cap as well).
The AFL implemented new rules for player transfers allowing them to breach their salary cap restriction (obviously in a move to support Victorian based clubs - i.e. Collingwood in getting Treloar and Geelong in getting 4 star players!!!), but it won't help a team at maximum capacity (I wouldn't be surprised if the rule didn't apply to Non-Vic clubs either :P because it seems like it has only been brought in to allow Collingwood and Geelong to make hoopdream recruitings over the off-season (meanwhile the Swans have a trade-ban for literally doing nothing wrong...)
Honestly, I don't see Schulz leaving, so there will most likely be no room for Dixon - a lot of Cornes salary would go to Schulz and a few young players and I don't know what Logan is being paid but he is rookie listed so no point working it out. In times like this Port needs to be more concerned about retention of young talent, as opposed to bulking up their list (unlike the Crows who will need to cover Dangerfield and don't have problems with retention - I don't know what the Lions are doing, they should work on on-field performance with the players they have rather then recruit more players to join in on the game day mess we see most weekends - it seems their younger players are the brightest thing about the club and priority picks won't help them because they have wasted plenty of talent in the past - Docherty, Polec, Yeo, & Longer.
Well summed up mate, you do do it well. Agree with all of that. ;)
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Quote from: Ringo on August 09, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Rumour is strong up here that you are favoured to sign Charlie Dixon because of his relationship with Hinkley and Hart.
Port don't have alot of cash spare in their cap apparently, can they come up with a deal that gets him. Crows could offer him a better deal i think.
Crows are after Motlop and if they want him it will cost the $600k freed up by Dangerfield. Scharenberg is another the two teams will take a punt at. Port will have cash to spare, if we don't extend Schulz's contract (on of our highest paid players).
We've still got room in the cap this year, think you guys are close to 100% now.
His relationship with Hinkley would have you guys in the box seat particularly if Schultz leaves as you said mate theres the cash right there.
Schulz doesn't want to leave though, and I don't think Hinkley would want him to :-\
It's tough because the club are unable to offer Schulz more money (as you said, they are close to 100%) and have only been offering him pay cuts. I don't see Port getting rid of Schulz so it will most likely be between the Crows (don't know how he will fit into your forward line though - unless he's more of a long-term option) or the Lions (how I think would be close to maxing out there salary cap as well).
The AFL implemented new rules for player transfers allowing them to breach their salary cap restriction (obviously in a move to support Victorian based clubs - i.e. Collingwood in getting Treloar and Geelong in getting 4 star players!!!), but it won't help a team at maximum capacity (I wouldn't be surprised if the rule didn't apply to Non-Vic clubs either :P because it seems like it has only been brought in to allow Collingwood and Geelong to make hoopdream recruitings over the off-season (meanwhile the Swans have a trade-ban for literally doing nothing wrong...)
Honestly, I don't see Schulz leaving, so there will most likely be no room for Dixon - a lot of Cornes salary would go to Schulz and a few young players and I don't know what Logan is being paid but he is rookie listed so no point working it out. In times like this Port needs to be more concerned about retention of young talent, as opposed to bulking up their list (unlike the Crows who will need to cover Dangerfield and don't have problems with retention - I don't know what the Lions are doing, they should work on on-field performance with the players they have rather then recruit more players to join in on the game day mess we see most weekends - it seems their younger players are the brightest thing about the club and priority picks won't help them because they have wasted plenty of talent in the past - Docherty, Polec, Yeo, & Longer.
Mostly agree with everything you have said, We do have room in our cap for recruitment. Suspect Staker will also retire, Berger and Aish are almost certain to leave freeing up further capacity. It is obvious to all we need a forward target and unfortunately injuries this year have not helped the development of Close and Freeman and a resting ruck does not work. We will be pursuing one via free agency and I think that will help. Vickery has also been mentioned. Injuries have not assisted on field performances, Hanley, Rockliff and Beams have missed 18 weeks between them and are our top 3 players,
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Quote from: Ringo on August 09, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Rumour is strong up here that you are favoured to sign Charlie Dixon because of his relationship with Hinkley and Hart.
Port don't have alot of cash spare in their cap apparently, can they come up with a deal that gets him. Crows could offer him a better deal i think.
Crows are after Motlop and if they want him it will cost the $600k freed up by Dangerfield. Scharenberg is another the two teams will take a punt at. Port will have cash to spare, if we don't extend Schulz's contract (on of our highest paid players).
We've still got room in the cap this year, think you guys are close to 100% now.
His relationship with Hinkley would have you guys in the box seat particularly if Schultz leaves as you said mate theres the cash right there.
Schulz doesn't want to leave though, and I don't think Hinkley would want him to :-\
It's tough because the club are unable to offer Schulz more money (as you said, they are close to 100%) and have only been offering him pay cuts. I don't see Port getting rid of Schulz so it will most likely be between the Crows (don't know how he will fit into your forward line though - unless he's more of a long-term option) or the Lions (how I think would be close to maxing out there salary cap as well).
The AFL implemented new rules for player transfers allowing them to breach their salary cap restriction (obviously in a move to support Victorian based clubs - i.e. Collingwood in getting Treloar and Geelong in getting 4 star players!!!), but it won't help a team at maximum capacity (I wouldn't be surprised if the rule didn't apply to Non-Vic clubs either :P because it seems like it has only been brought in to allow Collingwood and Geelong to make hoopdream recruitings over the off-season (meanwhile the Swans have a trade-ban for literally doing nothing wrong...)
Honestly, I don't see Schulz leaving, so there will most likely be no room for Dixon - a lot of Cornes salary would go to Schulz and a few young players and I don't know what Logan is being paid but he is rookie listed so no point working it out. In times like this Port needs to be more concerned about retention of young talent, as opposed to bulking up their list (unlike the Crows who will need to cover Dangerfield and don't have problems with retention - I don't know what the Lions are doing, they should work on on-field performance with the players they have rather then recruit more players to join in on the game day mess we see most weekends - it seems their younger players are the brightest thing about the club and priority picks won't help them because they have wasted plenty of talent in the past - Docherty, Polec, Yeo, & Longer.
Mostly agree with everything you have said, We do have room in our cap for recruitment. Suspect Staker will also retire, Berger and Aish are almost certain to leave freeing up further capacity. It is obvious to all we need a forward target and unfortunately injuries this year have not helped the development of Close and Freeman and a resting ruck does not work. We will be pursuing one via free agency and I think that will help. Vickery has also been mentioned. Injuries have not assisted on field performances, Hanley, Rockliff and Beams have missed 18 weeks between them and are our top 3 players,
+1
If they recruited Schache and got a priority pick (which they used to recruit Weitering). I would tip them to be a top 4 team in the next 5-7 years if Leppa can get everything else right
"Coach Ken Hinkley will have to decide whether to swap John Butcher with Jay Schulz this week â€" a seemingly simple decision made difficult by Butcher's solid contribution against GWS"
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-18/in-the-mix-round-21 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-18/in-the-mix-round-21)
Is this sarcasm? hahaha I watched the game and he literally did nothing hahahaha
Butcher has to play the last three weeks of the season, that way we can finally say you are not good enough for AFL and drop him.
I wonder how far away Mitch Harvey is from getting a go? Wouldn't hurt giving him a couple of games now would it? ???
Quote from: PowerBug on August 18, 2015, 07:13:22 PM
Butcher has to play the last three weeks of the season, that way we can finally say you are not good enough for AFL and drop him.
yeah I agree mate
Had a lot of promise when recruited, first kpp taken in that draft. He at least owes the club a few games to decide whether or not he is a bust.
It was a shallow draft though (steal being Fyfe at #20).
Quote from: PowerBug on August 18, 2015, 07:13:22 PM
Butcher has to play the last three weeks of the season, that way we can finally say you are not good enough for AFL and drop him.
People don't know that already? :-X
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 18, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
I wonder how far away Mitch Harvey is from getting a go? Wouldn't hurt giving him a couple of games now would it? ???
Definitely have him before Mason Shaw etc.
I think he would be ready, however if there was any reason not to unveil him it would be his last two SANFL games. Other than that he's been fantastic over the last two years.
I guess it's because Harvey is only 20, still in contract as a long-term prospect and cost only #45
Butcher is expected to be breaking out now, he's at the age where most key forwards find their form and was intended to be a lock in FF by now when we drafted him. He cost pick #8 and, as Powrerbug pointed out, Port aren't playing key forwards to gain. It's too see what we have to lose.
If Butcher plays AFL level and dominates it's a win
If he plays AFL level and plays poorly, it's a loss
If we don't play him and that marks the end of his career, it's a loss
If we don't play him and another club untaps that potential, it would be the worst case scenario as we need a prospect FF and we didn't at least give him a chance and another club would reap the rewards of our hard work developing him
I think that would be Port's rationale
I'd say if Butcher flops, Harvey has an opportunity to break in next season
Quote from: Jayman on August 18, 2015, 10:53:40 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on August 18, 2015, 07:13:22 PM
Butcher has to play the last three weeks of the season, that way we can finally say you are not good enough for AFL and drop him.
People don't know that already? :-X
Yes but we can confirm it now. He gets 4 matches to show something. I think it's fair And hopefully Port see it this way too.
Yeah I like Butch in for now, give him one last chance at least and I think playing a full forward that runs direct and spills the footy to the ground is handy rather than Schulz darting into pockets which is why I think Dixon will be huge for us. I believe that Schulz would be an elite second forward but lacks the ability to clunk genuine contested marks and present a legitimate target to kick at. Having players like Gray, Neade and Wingard around the pockets will benefit from a traditional full forward as well.
Best case scenario :)
Schulz back, but Butcher stays in. The club are thinking of trialing him in the backs to temporarily replace Trengove.
Let's face it, he failed as a forward, but he was drafted as a key position prospect and if he can find his niche in defence over the remaining games, the club could stand to gain something after all - then all eyes turn to Andrew Moore next season (regardless of the outcome with Butcher)
Why can't we play like that every week :)
Fantastic effort, biggest difference was our precision and speed (haven't seen it like that all season).
Worried about Lobbe (Ryder needs to be pure ruck imo) and don't know where he fits in.
Sam Gray & Ah Chee was fantastic - Moore & Young's futures are now unclear.
It's probably best if Schulz moves on imo. Still has the accuracy but should have scored 10 goals rather than 4 (wasted most opportunities). It's sad but it would be best for Butcher to move on as well. Monfries is another whose future needs to be considered - was good but that one call is not what you want from an experienced player (almost cost us the match). I also think Ebert needs to stand down as VC & give it to Robbie Gray (Ebert has been shocking this year and isn't a good decision-maker).
Ah Chee is going to be incredible. His strength in a pack is great, his ability to get his arms free find a target. Decision to handball to Monfries late could've been costly but he made up for it and kicked a goal later. Great player to be.
Quote from: PowerBug on August 21, 2015, 11:46:58 PM
Ah Chee is going to be incredible. His strength in a pack is great, his ability to get his arms free find a target. Decision to handball to Monfries late could've been costly but he made up for it and kicked a goal later. Great player to be.
Not his fault. In any sport you listen to your more experienced teammates and follow their judgement. Definitely a lapse of good judgement on his part, however the blame is entirely Monfries' for putting him in that position when he should have known he didn't have enough space to make that call.
Agree with everything you said, just felt the need to point that out.
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 21, 2015, 11:36:31 PM
Why can't we play like that every week :)
Fantastic effort, biggest difference was our precision and speed (haven't seen it like that all season).
Worried about Lobbe (Ryder needs to be pure ruck imo) and don't know where he fits in.
Sam Gray & Ah Chee was fantastic - Moore & Young's futures are now unclear.
It's probably best if Schulz moves on imo. Still has the accuracy but should have scored 10 goals rather than 4 (wasted most opportunities). It's sad but it would be best for Butcher to move on as well. Monfries is another whose future needs to be considered - was good but that one call is not what you want from an experienced player (almost cost us the match). I also think Ebert needs to stand down as VC & give it to Robbie Gray (Ebert has been shocking this year and isn't a good decision-maker).
If I recall correctly, Gray doesn't even want to be in the leadership group let alone VC - he isn't even in it now! He was last year but for this year he wanted to focus on footy, or at least that's what he said publicly. I say give it to Wines already lol
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 22, 2015, 12:42:31 AM
Quote from: PowerBug on August 21, 2015, 11:46:58 PM
Ah Chee is going to be incredible. His strength in a pack is great, his ability to get his arms free find a target. Decision to handball to Monfries late could've been costly but he made up for it and kicked a goal later. Great player to be.
Not his fault. In any sport you listen to your more experienced teammates and follow their judgement. Definitely a lapse of good judgement on his part, however the blame is entirely Monfries' for putting him in that position when he should have known he didn't have enough space to make that call.
Agree with everything you said, just felt the need to point that out.
Oh yeah. Monfries shouldn't have called for it you're right. At least it wasn't costly and they'll laugh it off now :)
Quote from: Atto on August 22, 2015, 08:31:58 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 21, 2015, 11:36:31 PM
Why can't we play like that every week :)
Fantastic effort, biggest difference was our precision and speed (haven't seen it like that all season).
Worried about Lobbe (Ryder needs to be pure ruck imo) and don't know where he fits in.
Sam Gray & Ah Chee was fantastic - Moore & Young's futures are now unclear.
It's probably best if Schulz moves on imo. Still has the accuracy but should have scored 10 goals rather than 4 (wasted most opportunities). It's sad but it would be best for Butcher to move on as well. Monfries is another whose future needs to be considered - was good but that one call is not what you want from an experienced player (almost cost us the match). I also think Ebert needs to stand down as VC & give it to Robbie Gray (Ebert has been shocking this year and isn't a good decision-maker).
If I recall correctly, Gray doesn't even want to be in the leadership group let alone VC - he isn't even in it now! He was last year but for this year he wanted to focus on footy, or at least that's what he said publicly. I say give it to Wines already lol
Can't argue with that, he'll be the next captain if he stays. That's for certain, I like Ebert as a player but I wouldn't put him in our top 5. I think a leader shouldn't be making the same simple errors he does every single game. I hope they make a change. Although, Boak & Gray would be the most marketable Co-Captains in history, I have to agree and say that Wines has shown the most initiative (possibly Wingard being Wines' deputy in the distant future)
I just thought I would point out:
If North lose to Freo, Dogs, Tigers (All very possible)
Geelong only win one of the Crows/Pies matches (Possible)
And we win both (Gold Coast and Freo who will be assured top spot as they will have won tomorrow so will probably rest)
Then we will be 12-10 and equal 8th with North and Geelong and have % on Geelong and with some luck % on North.
Quote from: PowerBug on August 23, 2015, 01:23:19 AM
I just thought I would point out:
If North lose to Freo, Dogs, Tigers (All very possible)
Geelong only win one of the Crows/Pies matches (Possible)
And we win both (Gold Coast and Freo who will be assured top spot as they will have won tomorrow so will probably rest)
Then we will be 12-10 and equal 8th with North and Geelong and have % on Geelong and with some luck % on North.
It's a long shot, but it's worth trying
I think it's fair to say that when Port doesn't make finals... everyone loses :P
I tip the Crows over Geelong (they need to win, and I hate saying this but they are a strong team and will smash Geelong in the clearances if Mitch Duncan isn't present - even with Duncan, the Crows easily get the benefit of the doubt).
Maybe better for the PAFC players not to know this because since the finals pressure was relieved they have been fantastic
Also, don't trust Richmond to deliver, at their best they are fantastic, however, and like us, their form varies every week. Plus a poor record against the Roos over the last 3 seasons - however, the Roos are just as inconsistent (if not more)
If we are any chance;
We are going to have to beat Gold Coast by around 100 points (wouldn't bank on it - not a team you write off)
North will need to get smashed (not lose) all 3 games
Geelong will have to just win one and get smashed in the other game (that is realistically our best case scenario)
I just don't see it, in AFL once you're relying on other teams to make finals that's when you know it's over or you don't deserve it. Richmond were a good example last season. People were writing them off as they needed only one win to secure it but it was against the Swans. The other 3 contenders were relying on the Tiges to lose so they could benefit from it. The Tigers took control and just won it (regardless of how the other teams performed over the last 10 weeks) and they rightfully deserved 8th spot. If we are not in a position to take it ourselves, it literally requires a miracle because the players can only play and hope (we are literally powerless in determining our sides fate while North, Adelaide & Geelong are the two in control - I don't think Geelong will make it though).
Tbf, we did have the hardest draw in the comp. though, and our double match-up which was supposed to be our 'free wins' came against the Bulldogs (Hawks twice, Freo twice, Sydney twice, Crows twice, & Bulldogs twice is a bs match-up).
This will make you more angry... between the second last time Collingwood played the Swans (R2, 2014) and the last time they played the Swans (last week), we had played the Swans 4 times!!!
We better have a piss-easy draw next season and Hinkley better draft Callum Ah Chee rather than another key forward prospect (we can trade one in or use Mitch Harvey)
We don't deserve to be there. Losses to Carlton & Lions sums it up fairly well.
Quote from: nas on August 23, 2015, 12:51:03 PM
We don't deserve to be there. Losses to Carlton & Lions sums it up fairly well.
+1
If we had won those games we would be in the 8 now. Summed it up perfectly because looking back on this season, they were the two games that cost us
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 23, 2015, 12:44:43 PM
If we are any chance;
We are going to have to beat Gold Coast by around 100 points (wouldn't bank on it - not a team you write off)
North will need to get smashed (not lose) all 3 games
Geelong will have to just win one and get smashed in the other game (that is realistically our best case scenario)
It's not that difficult though, Geelong have worse % than us. The % gap to North isn't that big.
I'm expecting North to win today though and as nas said we don't deserve to be there, but I don't think we deserved to be 12th either. Hopefully we can finish 9th, at least it's the top half of the ladder.
We won't get an easy draw, we've beaten Hawks twice, Dogs, North, and Crows. 5 wins over top 8 sides the AFL knows where we should be and will give us a draw accordingly. ::)
Losses to Brisbane and Carlton, flower they hurt right now.
Quote from: PowerBug on August 23, 2015, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 23, 2015, 12:44:43 PM
If we are any chance;
We are going to have to beat Gold Coast by around 100 points (wouldn't bank on it - not a team you write off)
North will need to get smashed (not lose) all 3 games
Geelong will have to just win one and get smashed in the other game (that is realistically our best case scenario)
It's not that difficult though, Geelong have worse % than us. The % gap to North isn't that big.
I'm expecting North to win today though and as nas said we don't deserve to be there, but I don't think we deserved to be 12th either. Hopefully we can finish 9th, at least it's the top half of the ladder.
We won't get an easy draw, we've beaten Hawks twice, Dogs, North, and Crows. 5 wins over top 8 sides the AFL knows where we should be and will give us a draw accordingly. ::)
Losses to Brisbane and Carlton, flower they hurt right now.
I reckon this is bs and favouritism. If we had the same draw as teams like Collingwood we would be secure in the top 8, we should get the same draw next year as they got this year (but the AFL bases the draw on some bullshower software which will flower us over - I think it's just some of the other clubs feel threatened and want to make things harder for us).
The draw wasn't the reason we missed finals but it was a big part of it regardless :-\
9th place finish will be nice, if we could either trade our first round pick for a key forward or draft another match-winner I would be happy. Might need to get a bigger fullback but Carlisle's mobility has been an advantage considering we use a fast-paced game style.
North has ended any finals miracle today but they deserved the win and they will be a team I'll follow through the finals. All I'm hoping for in the finals is that the Eagles can beat Hawthorn at the Subi, Hawks fly back to Melbourne and either lose, or more likely just get bye, against either the Swans; Dogs; Tiges; or North (all capable teams), and hopefully flying back to Subi if they win to face the Dockers will be too much for them. Nothing against the Hawks but once a team starts winning consecutively it gets to the point where all other supporters turn against them (like the Lions in 2003 & 2004 (only time none Collingwood supporters cheered for the Pies :P )
We will see what happens mate, I just hope we can win the final two matches of the season, knock off the Dockers from top spot by beating them in Round 23.
The is much to like about this team, we will launch a finals assault next season, couldn't cope with expectations this year and losses to the bottom two sides is pretty disgusting for a side wanting to play finals.
Home for the game on the Goldie, so will be in attendance.
Anyone watch the Jarm Impey video on your clubs facebook page this morning?? Show's why this kid is a true G.V Boy. If you read the comments he even suggests that he shaves his ratty beard haha.
Ah Chee, Sam Gray, & Karl Amon > Moore, Young, Butcher (x 1000)
Kane Mitchell seems to be more of a team mascot so I'm going to withhold my comment on him hahaha
Next season I want us to start the season with Ah Chee, Gray, & Amon though - Moore, Mitchell, & Young will have to work their ways back into the sub's vest.
It's good to see that we don't have to worry about Tom Jonas anymore (was worried this season that he dropped from on of the most underrated lock-down defenders in the comp. to a spud - good to see he's recaptured his form).
Hopefully 'the Karl' can become a second 'Chad' (then we've figuratively cloned our best match-winner :P )
I really hope we part way with Spud-chulz (Freo will probably take him) and sign Charlie Dixon (maybe spend Butcher to the Gold Coast in the process). Dixon looks like he belongs at Port as our Key forward
Quote from: nas on August 23, 2015, 08:15:04 PM
Home for the game on the Goldie, so will be in attendance.
Come-on mate, waiting for a summary of the game
Agree PSK , we got to give these kids a decent shot at it though. I get annoyed when a young guy gets a game, struggles a bit with the tempo, and gets sent back to the Maggies. Some senior players struggle for 3/4 games, and play every week
Quote from: Dudge on August 31, 2015, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: nas on August 23, 2015, 08:15:04 PM
Home for the game on the Goldie, so will be in attendance.
Come-on mate, waiting for a summary of the game
Drizzled all night, ever get a chance good stadium. Karl was the surprise package in my eyes for the night, the scoreboard end goal was a gem, S Gray into everything, AhChoo deserves his spot on that & past form, Lobbe great to see getting another go, HH into everything, fight just down from us livened the game up, 9K people, reckon very close to being equal with supporters. After the game Hombsch, Chad, Lobbe, Young, O'Sheacame over to the Emarld Lakes Golf Club for an hour & mingled.
Throw the kitchen sink @ Dixon, & if his ankles hold up playing him at FF, if he doesn't mark it, have some great crumbers to take advantage of anything that goes to ground. Schulz, if he wants to go, (money) so be it, but thanks for the memories.
Quote from: nas on September 01, 2015, 05:49:51 AM
Quote from: Dudge on August 31, 2015, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: nas on August 23, 2015, 08:15:04 PM
Home for the game on the Goldie, so will be in attendance.
Come-on mate, waiting for a summary of the game
Drizzled all night, ever get a chance good stadium. Karl was the surprise package in my eyes for the night, the scoreboard end goal was a gem, S Gray into everything, AhChoo deserves his spot on that & past form, Lobbe great to see getting another go, HH into everything, fight just down from us livened the game up, 9K people, reckon very close to being equal with supporters. After the game Hombsch, Chad, Lobbe, Young, O'Sheacame over to the Emarld Lakes Golf Club for an hour & mingled.
Throw the kitchen sink @ Dixon, & if his ankles hold up playing him at FF, if he doesn't mark it, have some great crumbers to take advantage of anything that goes to ground. Schulz, if he wants to go, (money) so be it, but thanks for the memories.
Reckon you are the favourites now for Dixon and he could be the missing link. Always thought he would go to you with his relationship with Hinkley and Shaun Hart,
Ideal replacement for Schulz if he seeks to move.
Quote from: nas on September 01, 2015, 09:44:55 AM
Ideal replacement for Schulz if he seeks to move.
+1
Schulz needs to go, he's not a key forward, he's a second tall.
Pretty useless to us if we are missing the one crucial position (that is in the most demand). Conversely, we have an abundance of contested mids (2nd most demanded player), we could possibly swing Andrew Moore Gold Coast's way (killing two bird with one stone :P ). Hinkley seems to be against trading players though, and despite the fact I don't expressly agree with his position, it must do wonders for the playing group's morale knowing that their friends and co-workers jobs are secure
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 30, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Hopefully 'the Karl' can become a second 'Chad' (then we've figuratively cloned our best match-winner :P )
Hope he can mate as rumours are very strong that Chad will be heading to Hawthorn at the end of his current contract.
Speaking with people I trust with info on the weekend it's a done deal already and the source they heard it from was Chads father.
Quote from: Grazz on September 01, 2015, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 30, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Hopefully 'the Karl' can become a second 'Chad' (then we've figuratively cloned our best match-winner :P )
Hope he can mate as rumours are very strong that Chad will be heading to Hawthorn at the end of his current contract.
Speaking with people I trust with info on the weekend it's a done deal already and the source they heard it from was Chads father.
Wut
Quote from: Atto on September 01, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Grazz on September 01, 2015, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 30, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Hopefully 'the Karl' can become a second 'Chad' (then we've figuratively cloned our best match-winner :P )
Hope he can mate as rumours are very strong that Chad will be heading to Hawthorn at the end of his current contract.
Speaking with people I trust with info on the weekend it's a done deal already and the source they heard it from was Chads father.
Wut
Yeh I know it's massive hey but I do trust these people not to be jerking my chain. Still a year to go under his current contract so alot could play out before then but the word is at the minute it's a done deal. Not sure how this stuff goes on when someone is under contract but we know it does and clubs continue to get away with it. Look at us and Danger think that deal was done awhile ago also.
Quote from: Grazz on September 01, 2015, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: Atto on September 01, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Grazz on September 01, 2015, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on August 30, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Hopefully 'the Karl' can become a second 'Chad' (then we've figuratively cloned our best match-winner :P )
Hope he can mate as rumours are very strong that Chad will be heading to Hawthorn at the end of his current contract.
Speaking with people I trust with info on the weekend it's a done deal already and the source they heard it from was Chads father.
Wut
Yeh I know it's massive hey but I do trust these people not to be jerking my chain. Still a year to go under his current contract so alot could play out before then but the word is at the minute it's a done deal. Not sure how this stuff goes on when someone is under contract but we know it does and clubs continue to get away with it. Look at us and Danger think that deal was done awhile ago also.
I'm not joking, if he leaves he will literally become my most hated player in AFL history. When he was drafted he was a spark of hope in a dark time for our club.
He told GWS he wanted to stay in Adelaide and I'm hoping he hasn't changed since then. I already dislike the Hawks for their unsociable football and held no opinion of their stealing of players from struggling clubs. However, I will hope it doesn't happen.
He's the sort of player whose departure will make other players (esp. our various Vic based players) consider leaving and the club will fall apart again. He better not have, like Dangerfield, become arrogant and entitled enough to think that he should be playing in Vic rather than SA.
Will be receive the salary cap left over from both Hodge & Mitchell (possibly Lake as well) if he leaves?
& I thought the loyalty of our players was our greatest asset under Hinkley.. If there is any truth to this it would turn out that I was wrong
I feel like a Brisbane Lions supporter does every year, just 1,000,000,000x worse because he is the sort of player who I think is capable of becoming an all time great (possibly the best player in history - could overtake Gaz)
More members than the Crows hey? I suppose The Titanic was sold out a year in advance too, and we know what happened there...
Quote from: McRooster on September 01, 2015, 08:56:39 PM
More members than the Crows hey? I suppose The Titanic was sold out a year in advance too, and we know what happened there...
I think you'll have no trouble overtaking us again next year big fella :) Hopes were high for 2015, but not to be :(
Will be receive the salary cap left over from both Hodge & Mitchell (possibly Lake as well) if he leaves?
Nah that's for Dangerfield. All the garbage about Geelong might be Huff & Puff
Sam Gray has had a massive month, between him Amon & Ah Chee - you've been seemingly been showing your guns of the future one week at a time! We'll happily take them all at the Blues in exchange for Henderson ::)
How stiff was Amon to miss the Rising Star Nomination last week? Good thing is I believe he can still take the whole thing out next year!
Gray, Amon, Ah Chee grabbing everything available, & see them perform last Saturday, very encouraging for the future.
Quote from: nas on September 03, 2015, 04:30:18 AM
Gray, Amon, Ah Chee grabbing everything available, & see them perform last Saturday, very encouraging for the future.
All three were very good last week and Ah Chee and Gray were good the week before also. Plenty to be encouraged about mate.
Season Review:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-09-10/paddy-ryder-didnt-work-out-for-port (http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-09-10/paddy-ryder-didnt-work-out-for-port)
I think it's pretty accurate, however these guys did say that GWS were a chance at the premiership 'next' year and that Mumford could win the 2016 Brownlow Medal :P
Chad Wingard 5 hrs ago on Twitter
"To end all the crap, I have not spoken to any clubs or been offered anything by another team! Media is once again full of it. #pear"
His comments to a Crows fan, when suggesting the idea of joining Adelaide...
"I'd rather fly alone"
Our player retention has always been fantastic (and 2nd to none since Hinkley moved in - besides Spud Newton)
I think if we were to lose a gun, it would be Schulz (and he doesn't want to leave, he's going to be forced to), not a young player (I am worried we won't have enough in the salary cap to pay Chad what he deserves next year though)
AFL Players' 22under22 team
FB: Rory Laird (ADL), Jack Hombsch (PA), Kade Kolodjashij (GCS)
HB: Adam Saad (GCS), Jake Lever (ADL), Elliot Yeo (WCE)
C: Lachie Neale (FRE), Patrick Cripps (CAR), Adam Treloar (GWS)
HF: Jake Stringer - C (WBD), Jesse Hogan (MEL), Luke Parker (SYD)
FF: Chad Wingard (PA), Jeremy Cameron (GWS), Tom Lynch (GCS)
Foll: Brodie Grundy (Coll), Marcus Bontempelli (WCD), Ollie Wines (PA)
Interchange: Tom Langdon (Coll), Dylan Shiel (GWS), Brandon Ellis (Rich), Devon Smith (GWS)
Congrats to Wingard, Wines, & Hombsch (only GWS had more inclusions). Good to see Wines pushed into rover with limited games and even better to see Hombsch at Fullback.
All the players selected definitely deserve it but I feel Grundy only got the spot because he was the only ruck under 22 (I concede he was good this season but there was no competition) and Langdon is the only incorrect inclusion imo (if I had to rank all these players he would easily be the worst by a significant amount). Besides him, the AFL has got it right for once (usually easier to select this team than AA).
Big congrats to Cripps, Hogan, Saad, & Lever as first years and an even big congratulations for Stringer (named captain). Macrae unlucky due to inconsistency (still think he would have been better than Langdon though...)
Delist Redden and Shaw and keep Butcher.
I dont understand any of those moves.
Quote from: Holz on September 18, 2015, 10:24:12 AM
Delist Redden and Shaw and keep Butcher.
I dont understand any of those moves.
Neither do I. Liked Mitch Harvey as a prospect too - why give up on him so quickly?
I am so confused right now
Jarrad Redden might get picked up by another team I reckon. Shaw has been in the system for a few years now and hasn't played a game. Mitch Harvey I thought would get another year though.
S(haw)ly Shaw has more upside than Butcher though?!
Didn't think a huge amount of Redden, really slow and just a less polished, good version of Lobbe.
Mitch Harvey is the most disappointing delistment. Redden only went because Ryder - he was unreliable depth (due to injury) but had upside.
Port stated the futures of the young key forwards at the club would depend upon whether or not they were going to recruit Charlie Dixon :)
These actions speak louder than words... done deal
I think the club has invested too much into Butcher to delist him now. Yes he sucks a**, but he's a cult figure and a gun SANFL player (probably the only reason Kane Mitchell & Butcher will stay on the list in the long-haul - SANFL premierships, which we still haven't managed to win).
I think Andrew Moore will be traded. So at least there is a win there for us, and a loss for the club who recruits him :P
Haha what about your mate Aaron Young? ;)
Quote from: elephants on September 18, 2015, 01:00:55 PM
Haha what about your mate Aaron Young? ;)
He's not even good in the SANFL
If he was pick #9, I would dislike him more than Moore :P
Speculation of talks about Lobbe's future with the club.
Ryder has made things difficult. But I wouldn't want to see Lobbe traded (contracted until the end of 2019). He has sentimentally become a fan favourite. The problem is like every other club, we can't have it all
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 18, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
Speculation of talks about Lobbe's future with the club.
Ryder has made things difficult. But I wouldn't want to see Lobbe traded (contracted until the end of 2019). He has sentimentally become a fan favourite. The problem is like every other club, we can't have it all
can you go with just ryder.
surely if you thought you would trade lobbe you would keep redden.
Quote from: Holz on September 18, 2015, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 18, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
Speculation of talks about Lobbe's future with the club.
Ryder has made things difficult. But I wouldn't want to see Lobbe traded (contracted until the end of 2019). He has sentimentally become a fan favourite. The problem is like every other club, we can't have it all
can you go with just ryder.
surely if you thought you would trade lobbe you would keep redden.
Good point. I don't think Lobbe will be happy serving as a reserve though
Agreed, you couldn't dump Redden and give up Lobbe.
What if Ryder got injured?
Trengove? Westhoff? Butcher?
Would be a huge blow.
Quote from: fanTCfool on September 18, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
Agreed, you couldn't dump Redden and give up Lobbe.
What if Ryder got injured?
Trengove? Westhoff? Butcher?
Would be a huge blow.
Yeah Holz reassured me :)
The problem now is that they are both starters, how are we going to make it work (I'm hoping there is a way we can field both effectively - seems to be the biggest thing holding Port back at this point).
Maybe
1st Ryder (Lobbe on interchange) with Ryder moving to the forward line when Lobbe comes on
2nd Lobbe (Ryder forward) - wasn't that effective, but it didn't necessarily fail (towards the end of the season - v Crows & Bombers it was quite promising as Ryder delivered - transfers usually take a year to settle as well)
Dixon will obviously have stints in the ruck if one of these two are injured. Agree that the club won't part with Lobbe (he's co-vice-captain so it would be a nightmare for morale too)
I think one of the problems is that Lobbe doesn't look like it up forward, but Ryder seems to be the preferred ruck.
The Pear would probably ideally want 2 x Ryder.
Quote from: fanTCfool on September 18, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
I think one of the problems is that Lobbe doesn't look like it up forward, but Ryder seems to be the preferred ruck.
The Pear would probably ideally want 2 x Ryder.
Agree mate, Lobbe is a pure ruck but it's when Ryder is marginally better than him (no offence intended, besides Goldy & Sandi I think Ryder is the best ruck in the comp. and the no. 1 hit-out specialist).
The fact they are both quality rucks (two of the best imo) makes it so much more difficult. Ryder is effective up forward, but at the end of the day he's a superstar in the ruck. Poor foresight by our coaching staff, but I would rather have Ryder than not have him. If Schulz took a pay cut, it would be ideal
HF: Westhoff, Charlie Dixon, White
FF: Patrick Ryder, Jay Schulz, Chad Wingard
wow that call on Ryder what about Nic Nat
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
wow that call on Ryder what about Nic Nat
Forgot about him
Nic Nat will be the best. Already been an All-Australian and only 25 years of age. Would not surprise me if he became the greatest ruck in history. Still like Ryder's clean open-palm taps but I have to rate Nic Nat as something special (the Eagles have been blessed with rucks since the 90's)
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 18, 2015, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
wow that call on Ryder what about Nic Nat
Forgot about him
Nic Nat will be the best. Already been an All-Australian and only 25 years of age. Would not surprise me if he became the greatest ruck in history. Still like Ryder's clean open-palm taps but I have to rate Nic Nat as something special (the Eagles have been blessed with rucks since the 90's)
Ruck has become so much more than the Stoppages now.
The
more Midfielder like, the better.
Stef Martin is basically a giant mid, similar with Nic Nat.
However, what sets the two apart for mine, the Nic Nat taps
are always so influential.
Quote from: fanTCfool on September 18, 2015, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 18, 2015, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
wow that call on Ryder what about Nic Nat
Forgot about him
Nic Nat will be the best. Already been an All-Australian and only 25 years of age. Would not surprise me if he became the greatest ruck in history. Still like Ryder's clean open-palm taps but I have to rate Nic Nat as something special (the Eagles have been blessed with rucks since the 90's)
Ruck has become so much more than the Stoppages now.
The more Midfielder like, the better.
Stef Martin is basically a giant mid, similar with Nic Nat.
However, what sets the two apart for mine, the Nic Nat taps are always so influential.
Noticed that myself and feel that was what made Lobbe so good last season. We have certainly put ourselves in a tough position by recruiting Ryder because we have two people to do one man's job.
Will be interesting to see how Hinkley addresses it next season because it seems the easiest practical solution is to make Lobbe the allocated emergency. But considering all factors, the club cannot do that to a bona fide starter who is also our VC
Very difficult situation. As you said, if we could get another tall or retain Schulz - to play alongside Dixon - it could benefit our small forwards. We have the personnel, but I think Westhoff is too influential to restrict to the forward pocket (and he prefers to take a solid mark rather than break the pack and bring the ball to ground like Ryder does).
Schulz has signed a new 1 year contract.
Somewhat surprised with this as thought he might be on the way out with Dixon coming in.
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 19, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
Schulz has signed a new 1 year contract.
Somewhat surprised with this as thought he might be on the way out with Dixon coming in.
What I want to know is whether he took a pay cut so we could still secure Dixon
If so, he is a legend and I love his loyalty
If not, and we lose our shot at fitting Dixon under our salary cap, I won't know how to feel about it. Obviously loves the club and the supporters love him, however I wouldn't want his loyalty to cost the club its forward future (Butcher... yes... Butcher is currently our 2nd key forward in the order. We need Schulz & Dixon)
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 19, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
Schulz has signed a new 1 year contract.
Somewhat surprised with this as thought he might be on the way out with Dixon coming in.
:(
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 19, 2015, 11:17:59 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 19, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
Schulz has signed a new 1 year contract.
Somewhat surprised with this as thought he might be on the way out with Dixon coming in.
What I want to know is whether he took a pay cut so we could still secure Dixon
If so, he is a legend and I love his loyalty
If not, and we lose our shot at fitting Dixon under our salary cap, I won't know how to feel about it. Obviously loves the club and the supporters love him, however I wouldn't want his loyalty to cost the club its forward future (Butcher... yes... Butcher is currently our 2nd key forward in the order. We need Schulz & Dixon)
I'm not sure about what he was on beforehand but he's on 400k for this season. I'm unsure about what to feel about these news of Schulz signing a new contract but I guess they're similar to what you're feeling PSK.
Last night on Fox Footy they debuted a documentary called INSIDE Port Adelaide
It covered the 2015 season and gave a real good insight into the club. I'm sure there will be re-runs over the next day or so. I'd highly recommend it not just to any Port fan, but any AFL fan.
Call me superstitious but if the Hawk's 3peat means anything to me... It's that Port Adelaide will win the premiership in a showdown against the Hawks next year :P
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 04, 2015, 01:01:51 PM
Call me superstitious but if the Hawk's 3peat means anything to me... It's that Port Adelaide will win the premiership in a showdown against the Hawks next year :P
Haha, I've said something similar in anther post ;)
Hartlett re-signs for 6 more seasons o.O
6 Years! It sounds like he signed for such a lengthy time to avoid the media spotlight for when his contract nears its end.
Obviously, that is not the case, but why did he feel the need to sign for so long? I know he loves the club and all, but what could his thinking be? I am genuinely intrigued.
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 07, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
6 Years! It sounds like he signed for such a lengthy time to avoid the media spotlight for when his contract nears its end.
Obviously, that is not the case, but why did he feel the need to sign for so long? I know he loves the club and all, but what could his thinking be? I am genuinely intrigued.
Here's the article with his reasons mentioned. Port have seemed to have strong success with player retention over our short AFL history. The biggest departures have been Shaun Burgoyne (because Mark Williams overlooked him as captain and instead named Cassisi) and Pearce/Chaplin (during the dark spud Primus years). The manner in which Ben Jacobs departed showed how the club had sank, however Hinkley has rebuilt the culture and I don't see players leaving now that success is so close (they can win it, it's just a question of whether the players will do what's necessary)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-07/hartlett-rejects-victorian-overtures-to-sign-longterm-deal-with-port (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-07/hartlett-rejects-victorian-overtures-to-sign-longterm-deal-with-port)
2015 was my most disappointing season as a Port supporter - at least we were a joke in 2011 & 2012. But I think two Westhoffs will be what gets the team into a top 4 position next year :P
(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/08/163966_e218b568180b8760c453f509a7fac464.jpg)
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 07, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
6 Years! It sounds like he signed for such a lengthy time to avoid the media spotlight for when his contract nears its end.
Obviously, that is not the case, but why did he feel the need to sign for so long? I know he loves the club and all, but what could his thinking be? I am genuinely intrigued.
I haven't read that linked article but I'm guessing the club pushed for a longer contract to enable them to back end his contract more given they allegedly are under salary cap stress. If he's happy with the club, which he clearly is then it might be the only way he could get the money he is worth.
Quote from: Rusty00 on October 07, 2015, 11:14:05 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on October 07, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
6 Years! It sounds like he signed for such a lengthy time to avoid the media spotlight for when his contract nears its end.
Obviously, that is not the case, but why did he feel the need to sign for so long? I know he loves the club and all, but what could his thinking be? I am genuinely intrigued.
I haven't read that linked article but I'm guessing the club pushed for a longer contract to enable them to back end his contract more given they allegedly are under salary cap stress. If he's happy with the club, which he clearly is then it might be the only way he could get the money he is worth.
I concede that we would be under salary cap stress, however I don't believe it's a long-term problem
- We haven't signed Dixon yet (we certainly will be after that)
- Kornes retired freeing up a lot of money (more than enough for Hartlett, Wingard, & Wines to receive decent pay raise - but the back ending is apparent as other club could offer significantly more per year over a smaller number of years)
- Schulz & Butcher have taken pay cuts and we have delisted a fair amount of players
- Kane Mitchell will likely experience a pay cut; &
- The club is looking to trade Aaron Young and Andrew Moore
In all honesty, I think PAFC are trying to do something similar to the Swans - but not to the same extreme (we still want a decent amount of depth). I believe the objective is a 35-40 player list (all quality, no trash - obviously Butcher deviates from this requirement :P ) with most players being paid above the AFL's average but yet no one will be receiving the ridiculous +$800k deals (besides, possibly, Wingard who I would consider $800k per season a bargain - could easily go for +1 mil).
That's just my thoughts on it, but until Dixon is signed on the $650k per year deal, we are fine (afterwards their will be significant pressure and that's why I suspect 2016 will definitely be Schulz' final season at PAFC - his departure at the end of 2016 frees up $400k per season to go to Wines & Wingard's pay raises).
In terms of personnel, 2016 will be one of our best shots over the next 5 years to win a premiership (if not our best shot). With Dixon coming in, I would say our list would be the strongest in the club's history. The question is whether they will find consistency though - because if they don't they risk falling out of the top 4 or even the top 8 again :-\
I don't know what Gold Coast want from us...
pick 10 for Dixon is considered a slight risk (has played 16 games in his best season), due to his proneness to injury. Yet they want two first round picks for him...
Furthermore, they are willing to trade prodigy, and durable, Harley Bennell with pick 22 for picks 16 & 30something.
and, unlike Dixon, Bennell was still contracted....
They better not expect us to make up the difference because they flowered themselves over. Pick 10 is generous and the fact they are requesting more is getting unreasonable (they will soon request a player with pick 10, I guarantee it)...
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 14, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
They better not expect us to make up the difference because they flowered themselves over. Pick 10 is generous and the fact they are requesting more is getting unreasonable (they will soon request a player with pick 10, I guarantee it)...
Better just hope they just ask for moore from you instead ;)
Quote from: Toga on October 14, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 14, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
They better not expect us to make up the difference because they flowered themselves over. Pick 10 is generous and the fact they are requesting more is getting unreasonable (they will soon request a player with pick 10, I guarantee it)...
Better just hope they just ask for moore from you instead ;)
That would be perfect :P
Would not mind if we traded Aaron Young either (apparently the two are trade bait, but no one wants them)
Quote from: Toga on October 14, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 14, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
They better not expect us to make up the difference because they flowered themselves over. Pick 10 is generous and the fact they are requesting more is getting unreasonable (they will soon request a player with pick 10, I guarantee it)...
Better just hope they just ask for moore from you instead ;)
Lol I got it mate. ;)
Welcome Jimmy T ;D
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/PortAdelaide/Images/Hero%20Images/toumpashero_2_620X370.png)
Port Adelaide received Toumpas and pick No.32 and gave up picks No.29, 50 and 68
Bargain
Don't see why you wouldn't take him with a deal like that. Why not.
It looks like Toumpas will vaunt the #31 guernsey for our club
Hopefully Dixon gets the #10
Yeah I reckon he's absolutely worth the punt. The dude was a jet as a junior so lets see what he can produce.
Dixon!!!!!
okay my intel was wrong. Toumpas to wear Kornes #18 :)
Stoked for next season. Young list and talented list with all the characteristics of a dynasty (even the shock fall, in 2015, before absolute domination like the Geelong dynasty in 2006 or the Hawthorn dynasty (which we will effective demolish next season I might add :P) in 2009)
My bet is still Dixon to vaunt #10
How disrespectful to Kane, giving that spud his number ;)
What does your best 22 look like now?
Quote from: Big Mac on October 20, 2015, 07:54:21 PM
What does your best 22 look like now?
B: Hombsch, Carlile, Impey
HB: Pittard, Trengove, Broadbent
C: Polec, Boak, Hartlett
HF: S.Gray, Westhoff, M.White
F: Wingard, Dixon, Neade
R: Ryder, Wines, R.Gray
INT: Jonas, Lobbe, Ah Chee, Amon
Something like that maybe? Schulz not named there, probably missing someone really good my footy brain has switched off for the year lol.
Edit: Monfries, Cam O'Shea not there. The latter is a potato anyway.
Quote from: PowerBug on October 20, 2015, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on October 20, 2015, 07:54:21 PM
What does your best 22 look like now?
B: Hombsch, Carlile, Impey
HB: Pittard, Trengove, Broadbent
C: Polec, Boak, Hartlett
HF: S.Gray, Westhoff, M.White
F: Wingard, Dixon, Neade
R: Ryder, Wines, R.Gray
INT: Jonas, Lobbe, Ah Chee, Amon
Something like that maybe? Schulz not named there, probably missing someone really good my footy brain has switched off for the year lol.
Edit: Monfries, Cam O'Shea not there. The latter is a potato anyway.
Schultz not in the best 22? :o
Quote from: quinny88 on October 20, 2015, 08:10:09 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on October 20, 2015, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on October 20, 2015, 07:54:21 PM
What does your best 22 look like now?
B: Hombsch, Carlile, Impey
HB: Pittard, Trengove, Broadbent
C: Polec, Boak, Hartlett
HF: S.Gray, Westhoff, M.White
F: Wingard, Dixon, Neade
R: Ryder, Wines, R.Gray
INT: Jonas, Lobbe, Ah Chee, Amon
Something like that maybe? Schulz not named there, probably missing someone really good my footy brain has switched off for the year lol.
Edit: Monfries, Cam O'Shea not there. The latter is a potato anyway.
Schultz not in the best 22? :o
Probably could have another tall in there, but Westhoff is better and Dixon will play the 5 games that he is fit for. One problem Port had this year is that we brought in Ryder, and didn't drop a tall. And our run was terrible because of it. So this is a smaller side. Also I doubt Schulz will play 20 games next year even if fit for the entire time.
Personally hoping we go with a line-up like this:
FB: T. Jonas, A. Carlile, J. Trengove
HB: M. Broadbent, J. Hombsch, J. Pittard
C: H. Hartlett, O.Wines, J. Polec
HF: M. White, J. Westhoff, R. Gray
FF: C. Wingard, C. Dixon, J. Schulz
R: P. Ryder, T. Boak, B. Ebert
INT: S. Gray, B. Ah Chee, J. Impey, A. Monfries
EMG: M. Lobbe, N. Krakouer, J. Neade
I Know Ken wants to have the ruck tandem but hoping he goes with the 1, only 2 when necessary, Westy and particularly Trengove are capable backs ups.
Never want to see S. Gray stuck in the forward line again ::)
I have always been of the opinion that Schulz is an average key forward but elite second/third, will thrive playing second fiddle to Charlie, I'm calling a 50+ goal year for Schulz pending injury.
If Krak can build his endurance he's a lock in the 22 IMO
Personally, I could look at that team all day!
HAHAHAHA I forgot Ebert omg.
Pay no attention to my team, what ADEZ has is much better
Quote from: PowerBug on October 21, 2015, 09:59:10 AM
HAHAHAHA I forgot Ebert omg.
Pay no attention to my team, what ADEZ has is much better
hahaha gold PB
Quote from: Ricochet on October 21, 2015, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: PowerBug on October 21, 2015, 09:59:10 AM
HAHAHAHA I forgot Ebert omg.
Pay no attention to my team, what ADEZ has is much better
hahaha gold PB
Easily done PB - I had initially left Allen Christensen out of my Brisbane 22 for next year.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 21, 2015, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: PowerBug on October 21, 2015, 09:59:10 AM
HAHAHAHA I forgot Ebert omg.
Pay no attention to my team, what ADEZ has is much better
hahaha gold PB
Lol pb :P
In my defence I did mention that I probably missed a really good player.
I thought it would be more like this:
FB: T. Jonas, A. Carlisle, J. Hombsch
HB: M. Broadbent, J. Trengove, J. Pittard
C: B. Ebert, O.Wines, J. Polec
HF: M. White, J. Westhoff, R. Gray
FF: C. Wingard, C. Dixon, J. Schulz
R: P. Ryder, T. Boak, H. Hartlett
INT: S. Gray, B. Ah Chee, J. Impey, A. Monfries
EMG: M. Lobbe, N. Krakouer, J. Neade
Hombsch seems to always be named in the back pocket, but as ADEZ has posted I'm hoping he receives a central role (has our best defender by a significant margin last season and incredible in 2014 - easily my favourite defender, esp. after Jonas became a pumpkin this season).
Hinkley likes to put the talls at CHB & CHF so I would expect Trengove to retain his starting point with the dangerous duo providing run (Pittard & Broadbent can either destroy the opposition or destroy us - Broadbent the safer kick but when in form Pittard can be the most damaging player in our counter-attacking set up - disappointed me for a majority of 2015 though and they were easily our most out of form players this season).
Thought Robbie Gray was strong in centre midfield but only came to the realisation that he only started in that position because Wines was injured, so the half-forward line it is for him.
Wines, Ebert, Hartlett, & Gray can all rotate so their starting positions are not too important. Ebert is the one I'm unsure of, alright in the contest but I would prefer the luxury of playing him on the wing. The problem... he makes a significant amount of clangers in contrast to his teammates (he seems more likely to make an error while in an uncontested position then a contested one). I liked Hartlett in the follower position in our second game against the Swans & in the Gold Coast match so I'm hoping he can find some consistency and play in rover (however, Ebert, Gray, & Wines all capable of playing the role - plus Wines can rotate with Boak in ruck-rover).
I like the rest of the line-up and hopefully Toumpas regains form and pushes for a starting position by round 5-8. It seems like we have too much too choose from now and my major concern is Lobbe as an emergency. He's a starting player who we cannot effectively start unless Ryder is out. He's the vice-captain and I could see him requesting a trade if he doesn't receive sufficient playing opportunities (of course he's signed until 2019 so we will have ALL THE LEVERAGE if that eventuates).
Ryder is durable, unlike Nic Nat, so a dual-ruck partnership will not work between Lobbe & Ryder. However, it's reported that Dixon will sometime be expected to play alongside Ryder up forward. I think this implies that Lobbe will be in our regular line-up but most likely on the interchange (then I'm worried about his TOG - it needs to be over 65-75% and I don't see that happening when Ryder is easily the better ruck).
Prediction;
Premiers or at least runners up in a close contest which is complained about for the next 2-3 months with people saying; "we deserved to win" :P
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 21, 2015, 01:28:05 PM
I thought it would be more like this:
FB: T. Jonas, A. Carlisle, J. Hombsch
HB: M. Broadbent, J. Trengove, J. Pittard
C: B. Ebert, O.Wines, J. Polec
HF: M. White, J. Westhoff, R. Gray
FF: C. Wingard, C. Dixon, J. Schulz
R: P. Ryder, T. Boak, H. Hartlett
INT: S. Gray, B. Ah Chee, J. Impey, A. Monfries
EMG: M. Lobbe, N. Krakouer, J. Neade
Hombsch seems to always be named in the back pocket, but as ADEZ has posted I'm hoping he receives a central role (has our best defender by a significant margin last season and incredible in 2014 - easily my favourite defender, esp. after Jonas became a pumpkin this season).
Hinkley likes to put the talls at CHB & CHF so I would expect Trengove to retain his starting point with the dangerous duo providing run (Pittard & Broadbent can either destroy the opposition or destroy us - Broadbent the safer kick but when in form Pittard can be the most damaging player in our counter-attacking set up - disappointed me for a majority of 2015 though and they were easily our most out of form players this season).
Thought Robbie Gray was strong in centre midfield but only came to the realisation that he only started in that position because Wines was injured, so the half-forward line it is for him.
Wines, Ebert, Hartlett, & Gray can all rotate so their starting positions are not too important. Ebert is the one I'm unsure of, alright in the contest but I would prefer the luxury of playing him on the wing. The problem... he makes a significant amount of clangers in contrast to his teammates (he seems more likely to make an error while in an uncontested position then a contested one). I liked Hartlett in the follower position in our second game against the Swans & in the Gold Coast match so I'm hoping he can find some consistency and play in rover (however, Ebert, Gray, & Wines all capable of playing the role - plus Wines can rotate with Boak in ruck-rover).
I like the rest of the line-up and hopefully Toumpas regains form and pushes for a starting position by round 5-8. It seems like we have too much too choose from now and my major concern is Lobbe as an emergency. He's a starting player who we cannot effectively start unless Ryder is out. He's the vice-captain and I could see him requesting a trade if he doesn't receive sufficient playing opportunities (of course he's signed until 2019 so we will have ALL THE LEVERAGE if that eventuates).
Ryder is durable, unlike Nic Nat, so a dual-ruck partnership will not work between Lobbe & Ryder. However, it's reported that Dixon will sometime be expected to play alongside Ryder up forward. I think this implies that Lobbe will be in our regular line-up but most likely on the interchange (then I'm worried about his TOG - it needs to be over 65-75% and I don't see that happening when Ryder is easily the better ruck).
Prediction;
Premiers or at least runners up in a close contest which is complained about for the next 2-3 months with people saying; "we deserved to win" :P
Gray is now one of the best centre clearance players in the comp. He'll be in at the majority of centre bounces regardless of Wines' availability I would've thought.
Quote from: Rusty00 on October 21, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 21, 2015, 01:28:05 PM
I thought it would be more like this:
FB: T. Jonas, A. Carlisle, J. Hombsch
HB: M. Broadbent, J. Trengove, J. Pittard
C: B. Ebert, O.Wines, J. Polec
HF: M. White, J. Westhoff, R. Gray
FF: C. Wingard, C. Dixon, J. Schulz
R: P. Ryder, T. Boak, H. Hartlett
INT: S. Gray, B. Ah Chee, J. Impey, A. Monfries
EMG: M. Lobbe, N. Krakouer, J. Neade
Hombsch seems to always be named in the back pocket, but as ADEZ has posted I'm hoping he receives a central role (has our best defender by a significant margin last season and incredible in 2014 - easily my favourite defender, esp. after Jonas became a pumpkin this season).
Hinkley likes to put the talls at CHB & CHF so I would expect Trengove to retain his starting point with the dangerous duo providing run (Pittard & Broadbent can either destroy the opposition or destroy us - Broadbent the safer kick but when in form Pittard can be the most damaging player in our counter-attacking set up - disappointed me for a majority of 2015 though and they were easily our most out of form players this season).
Thought Robbie Gray was strong in centre midfield but only came to the realisation that he only started in that position because Wines was injured, so the half-forward line it is for him.
Wines, Ebert, Hartlett, & Gray can all rotate so their starting positions are not too important. Ebert is the one I'm unsure of, alright in the contest but I would prefer the luxury of playing him on the wing. The problem... he makes a significant amount of clangers in contrast to his teammates (he seems more likely to make an error while in an uncontested position then a contested one). I liked Hartlett in the follower position in our second game against the Swans & in the Gold Coast match so I'm hoping he can find some consistency and play in rover (however, Ebert, Gray, & Wines all capable of playing the role - plus Wines can rotate with Boak in ruck-rover).
I like the rest of the line-up and hopefully Toumpas regains form and pushes for a starting position by round 5-8. It seems like we have too much too choose from now and my major concern is Lobbe as an emergency. He's a starting player who we cannot effectively start unless Ryder is out. He's the vice-captain and I could see him requesting a trade if he doesn't receive sufficient playing opportunities (of course he's signed until 2019 so we will have ALL THE LEVERAGE if that eventuates).
Ryder is durable, unlike Nic Nat, so a dual-ruck partnership will not work between Lobbe & Ryder. However, it's reported that Dixon will sometime be expected to play alongside Ryder up forward. I think this implies that Lobbe will be in our regular line-up but most likely on the interchange (then I'm worried about his TOG - it needs to be over 65-75% and I don't see that happening when Ryder is easily the better ruck).
Prediction;
Premiers or at least runners up in a close contest which is complained about for the next 2-3 months with people saying; "we deserved to win" :P
Gray is now one of the best centre clearance players in the comp. He'll be in at the majority of centre bounces regardless of Wines' availability I would've thought.
Yeah I agree, the issue is that Gray is versatile, while the other midfielders are not.
I would prefer to see Gray in centre midfield - but I'd still rather have both Wines & Gray playing at the same time. Gray will still obviously rotate (even with a fit team he still spent a significant amount of time at the centre bounce).
Centre midfield? This ain't soccer bro lol
Quote from: Atto on October 21, 2015, 02:20:54 PM
Centre midfield? This ain't soccer bro lol
haha what else are you suppose to call the midfielder between the two wingers (whose zone is the centre of the ground) :) (I don't like the plain term 'centre')
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 21, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Atto on October 21, 2015, 02:20:54 PM
Centre midfield? This ain't soccer bro lol
haha what else are you suppose to call the midfielder between the two wingers (whose zone is the centre of the ground) :) (I don't like the plain term 'centre')
Quote from: Ziplock on October 21, 2015, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 21, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Atto on October 21, 2015, 02:20:54 PM
Centre midfield? This ain't soccer bro lol
haha what else are you suppose to call the midfielder between the two wingers (whose zone is the centre of the ground) :) (I don't like the plain term 'centre')
Haha I don't mind using just 'centre', it's simple.
Quote from: Atto on October 22, 2015, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on October 21, 2015, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 21, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Atto on October 21, 2015, 02:20:54 PM
Centre midfield? This ain't soccer bro lol
haha what else are you suppose to call the midfielder between the two wingers (whose zone is the centre of the ground) :) (I don't like the plain term 'centre')
Haha I don't mind using just 'centre', it's simple.
yeh I've only ever known it as Centre?
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-10-29/2016-port-adelaide-fixture (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-10-29/2016-port-adelaide-fixture)
Awesome draw ;D
I was worried the AFL would be bias and give us a bullshower draw again (I'm still of the opinion that Nth Melbourne and Port's draws were bs, and was the primary reason we just fell short of the 8)
Teams we play twice;
- Richmond
- Crows
- GWS
- The Lions
- The Demons
Seems an appropriate draw for a team that came 9th and nothing like our bs draw this season (Bulldogs, Crows, Hawks, Dockers, & Swans twice)
Also;
ANZAC day clash against the Cats
1 Thursday night game (Hawks)
2 Friday night games (hopefully a demolition of the Bombers and a clash against the Tiges)
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
Seems an appropriate draw for a team that came 9th and nothing like our bs draw this season (Bulldogs, Crows, Hawks, Dockers, & Swans twice)
Your (and North Melbourne's) draw this year was appropriate for teams who finished 3rd and 4th the year before
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
(I'm still of the opinion that Nth Melbourne and Port's draws were bs, and was the primary reason we just fell short of the 8 )
lol you cannot blame a fixture for not making the 8. You gotta win games, no matter where they are or who they are
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
(I'm still of the opinion that Nth Melbourne and Port's draws were bs, and was the primary reason we just fell short of the 8 )
lol you cannot blame a fixture for not making the 8. You gotta win games, no matter where they are or who they are
If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best!
In reality we fell short because of unforgivable losses to Carlton and Brisbane - it was an unreasonably tough draw considering.
Love this year, plenty of home prime time slots and will be travelling to QLD twice again 8)
Yeah it was a tough draw in 2015 but we deserved a tough draw...
Just like how the Crows next year double up on Freo, WC, Port, North and Geelong. Serves them right for winning a final ;D
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
(I'm still of the opinion that Nth Melbourne and Port's draws were bs, and was the primary reason we just fell short of the 8 )
lol you cannot blame a fixture for not making the 8. You gotta win games, no matter where they are or who they are
Agree to an extent but as we know momentum helps as well and if you are dealt an easier draw you can establish the momentum that comes from winning. If you have drawn Top teams early you are behind the eight ball trying to gain momentum. Without being overly biased about the draw would have preferred to play a fellow team from our grouping rather than Eagles in Round 1. (in my opinion lions have the worst draw)
Wtf we are hosting Essendon on a Friday night and Melbourne on a Saturday night. How did that happen??
SATURDAY NIGHT SHOWDOWN YEWWWWW
Two Friday nights and a Thursday night, not sure what the other teams have but I think that is fair.
Overall, really good draw I like it. As a spectator so I can get to the games, and for the club as I think we have a good chance on churning out a good amount of wins to get us in the 8. :)
Quote from: Ringo on October 29, 2015, 12:00:08 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
(I'm still of the opinion that Nth Melbourne and Port's draws were bs, and was the primary reason we just fell short of the 8 )
lol you cannot blame a fixture for not making the 8. You gotta win games, no matter where they are or who they are
Agree to an extent but as we know momentum helps as well and if you are dealt an easier draw you can establish the momentum that comes from winning. If you have drawn Top teams early you are behind the eight ball trying to gain momentum. Without being overly biased about the draw would have preferred to play a fellow team from our grouping rather than Eagles in Round 1. (in my opinion lions have the worst draw)
I agree Brissie have a shocking start.
Quote from: Rusty00 on October 29, 2015, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on October 29, 2015, 11:24:36 AM
(I'm still of the opinion that Nth Melbourne and Port's draws were bs, and was the primary reason we just fell short of the 8 )
lol you cannot blame a fixture for not making the 8. You gotta win games, no matter where they are or who they are
If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best!
We did... twice :P
Good to see Polec is back to doing what he does best. The club still think it's more likely he will miss Round 1 at this stage, however he has resumed running over the last month ;D
Navicular injuries are probably the worst in terms of recurring injuries because the specific bones are so fragile. Overall, it's for the best if Polec takes his time
Cannot stress this enough, we really missed him this season and hopefully he can play 20-23 games in 2016 (he probably needs to be managed due to his history with injuries)
Good news nonetheless
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-10/power-mid-polec-back-running-a-chance-to-return-for-round-one (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-10/power-mid-polec-back-running-a-chance-to-return-for-round-one)
Chad Wingard named the best pick number 6 in National Draft History ;D
Chad Cornes named the best pick number 9; and
Shaun Burgoyne named the best pick number 12 (if only Mark Williams selected Burgoyne over Cassisi as captain all those years ago, he would still be with us*) ;D
Good to see we rarely flower up our picks (besides Butcher, Moore, & Ben Jacobs :P )
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-13/riewoldt-over-hodge-shifter-chooses-his-best-30-draft-picks-in-three-decades (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-13/riewoldt-over-hodge-shifter-chooses-his-best-30-draft-picks-in-three-decades)
*Although, in hindsight, Burgoyne being named captain would have likely cost us Travis Boak
Quote from: powersuperkents on November 13, 2015, 05:49:13 PM
Chad Wingard named the best pick number 6 in National Draft History ;D
Chad Cornes named the best pick number 9; and
Shaun Burgoyne named the best pick number 12 (if only Mark Williams selected Burgoyne over Cassisi as captain all those years ago, he would still be with us*) ;D
Good to see we rarely flower up our picks (besides Butcher, Moore, & Ben Jacobs :P )
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-13/riewoldt-over-hodge-shifter-chooses-his-best-30-draft-picks-in-three-decades (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-13/riewoldt-over-hodge-shifter-chooses-his-best-30-draft-picks-in-three-decades)
*Although, in hindsight, Burgoyne being named captain would have likely cost us Travis Boak
Let's just remember that this is only in Shifter's opinion. Also, sneaky but informative fine print there,
powersuperkents
Surely theres been a better #15 then Brady Rawlings
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2015, 07:50:18 PM
Surely theres been a better #15 then Brady Rawlings
Yeah it's all Sheehan's opinion
This one I really contest... "Best No.22: Scott Selwood (West Coast, 2007)"... He has never been good, he was just the best player in West Coast for one year (2013) when the rest of team was shower :P
Maybe picks #15 & #22 have just been inherently bad picks :P Although, I rate Rawlings significantly higher than Scooter (obviously just getting a good wrap because his recent move to Geelong was high-profile free-agency news - although, Suckling should be significantly more high-profile as his contributions to the Hawks insurmountably outweigh Scooter's one year of ineffective disposals, and seven years of tagging, for the Eagles haha)
Bullshower call by the AFL imo.
We should have got at least one top-up player. We knew the risk with Paddy Ryder (as did the other clubs) but Monfries was deceptively traded to the Power before the ASADA investigation was initiated.
That should entitle us to one top-up. It's not a big deal in terms of the team, but if Lobbe goes down, the AFL has prevented us from providing some form of back-up (Dougal Howard would have to shock the comp. if it came to that - and a 19yo ruck is next to useless at AFL level).
Obviously a decision to protect rival clubs >:(
Yeah, as a Lions supporter who hates port, you guys have been ripped off big time. I think the other clubs should have got top ups, but I'll take the 'you know what you were getting' reason. Should really get a top up player for Monfries at least.
Really the call by the AFL today has been pretty representative of the way they've handled this whole saga tbh.
Quote from: powersuperkents on February 05, 2016, 10:49:48 PM
Bullshower call by the AFL imo.
We should have got at least one top-up player. We knew the risk with Paddy Ryder (as did the other clubs) but Monfries was deceptively traded to the Power before the ASADA investigation was initiated.
That should entitle us to one top-up. It's not a big deal in terms of the team, but if Lobbe goes down, the AFL has prevented us from providing some form of back-up (Dougal Howard would have to shock the comp. if it came to that - and a 19yo ruck is next to useless at AFL level).
Obviously a decision to protect rival clubs >:(
Why should you get to get a top up ruck to replace Monfries?
Like you said, Port knew the risk in recruiting Ryder so they should have had contingencies in place!
Yes Port should have made contingencies but we certainly deserve a top up for Monfries and I believe all clubs deserve the top ups. This "knew the risk" argument is silly, Essendon knew the risk of implementing the supplement program so going by the same logic they should not have been allowed the top ups and will have likely opted to forfeit the season. The Bombers hierarchy was at fault and it is unfair that the punishments impact other teams at a club level.
Quote from: powersuperkents on February 05, 2016, 10:49:48 PM
....... but Monfries was deceptively traded to the Power before the ASADA investigation was initiated.
Monfries was a free agent. Port arranged a trade in lieu of picking him up as a free agent so it didn't dilute their compo for losing Chaplin and Pearce as free agents that year. There was no deception ::)
Quote from: Rusty00 on February 06, 2016, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on February 05, 2016, 10:49:48 PM
....... but Monfries was deceptively traded to the Power before the ASADA investigation was initiated.
Monfries was a free agent. Port arranged a trade in lieu of picking him up as a free agent so it didn't dilute their compo for losing Chaplin and Pearce as free agents that year. There was no deception ::)
But regardless, no one... no one (even Essendon) were cognisant of any risk involving Monfries whatsoever...
ASADA initiated it's investigation months after Monfries moved (the only people who knew the risks would therefore be ASADA - Essendon and Port alike did not assume any risks, besides those in Essendon who consciously knew how bad the program was).
The AFL ultimately came to its conclusion by surveying the clubs that were unaffected... BIG SURPRISE WHAT THE RESULT WAS ::)
Keith Thomas (our CEO) said he doesn't blame the other clubs for acting in their own self-interests. He blames the AFL for this ridiculous arbitrary process (the AFL made up this BS top-up rule for Essendon, yet they say it is unnecessary for other clubs - considering the circumstances surrounding the Monfries trade makes it even more unreasonable. This rule allows Essendon, the club who started this whole ordeal to have one more player than Port Adelaide on its list by the start of the season... We could be level if we at least got a top-up for Monfries).
Also, to the stupid statement above, top-up players don't have to be 'like-for-like' so if we received a top-up for Monfries we would have been perfectly within our rights to recruit a ruck. I tolerate the assumed risks argument, but regarding Monfries the AFL has once again shown why they are the most poorly organised and operated sporting league in Australia... These problems would never arise in the EPL, NFL, NBA, NRL etc., and better yet, they would not incompetently handle the whole process like the AFL have since the ASADA investigation began (ultimately allowing the whole thing to blow up in everyone's face and flower over 34 players who's career's have been detrimentally affected and has flowered over multiple clubs (including Essendon who many inadvertently blame for the actions of a few which were overseen by the Hird coaching staff - I think Dank's team and Hird and his coaching staff are the ones who should be a ridiculed, not the Bombers as a whole).
I personally never thought the AFL would give the clubs top up players, but I thought they all should have gotten them- the arbitrary decision making of the AFL has always pissed me off.
Quote from: powersuperkents on February 06, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
These problems would never arise in the EPL, NFL, NBA, NRL etc., and better yet, they would not incompetently handle the whole process like the AFL have since the ASADA investigation began.
As someone who follows the NFL I can confirm they are completely capable of incompetently handling a situation like this.
Dougall Howard set to play in the first NAB Challenge game by the looks of things.
He is our back-up if the unthinkable happens to Lobbe. At only 19 years of age he has developed quite the reputation in the SANFL for being an aggressive ruckman who isn't afraid to contest at ground level, or go to ground...
Will be worth a look for all Port fans - seems like more of the midfielder type of ruck (that is, closer to Stefan Martin on the spectrum of Martin to Nic Nat).
Polec also set to play the first two games of the NAB Challenge before being rested in the third (looks set for a round 1 return).
Think I read that Polec took a couple of kickouts too! I'm very tempted to shortlist him in my Elite Draft and even in AF!
Quote from: Ziplock on February 06, 2016, 05:14:17 PM
I personally never thought the AFL would give the clubs top up players, but I thought they all should have gotten them- the arbitrary decision making of the AFL has always pissed me off.
Same, the money these incompetent twats are making while doing it also powers me off.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-02-25/hartlett-elevated-to-vicecaptain
Quote from: fanTCfool on February 25, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-02-25/hartlett-elevated-to-vicecaptain
Great call IMO. Hartlett is a good player and a even better bloke. I wish nothing but the best for him in his new role.
Quote from: Atto on February 25, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on February 25, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-02-25/hartlett-elevated-to-vicecaptain
Great call IMO. Hartlett is a good player and a even better bloke. I wish nothing but the best for him in his new role.
Yeah I remember one of his earliest games, it was against against the Crows, he was surrounded by a few Crows who were coming at him ( it was hbf or back pocket ) and Hamish took a step back, looked up and bang, hit someone on the chest in the center square. Just seem to have poise and time. I actually said in them days, this kid will win a Brownlow lol. Get some right and plenty wrong haha. Glad he signed to a long term contract. and deserves the VC
Sooooo, Ebert doesn't have to worry about that anymore. A chance to play a full season at 100+ SC perhaps? ;)
Quote from: Atto on February 25, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on February 25, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-02-25/hartlett-elevated-to-vicecaptain
Great call IMO. Hartlett is a good player and a even better bloke. I wish nothing but the best for him in his new role.
+1 Fantastic news
Cannot think of any player who deserves it more (Wines would be my next selection in line)
and neither Lobbe nor Ebert deserved to retain it after some of their performances last season. I like both players a lot, but I think they lack the resilience that Hartlett displays
I'm really happy with this decision :)
Despite the easy draw, I don't see us making the 8 :-\
The team has become worse since 2014... We were fantastic in 2013, a revelation in 2014, disappointing in 2015, and just terrible so far this season.
We need an actual fullback - Carlisle is not good enough. We need a 188-192cm +90kg inside mid (think Patrick Cripps) because Wines cannot shoulder the load himself (it's just too much for one player). Most importantly, we need to change this flowering game plan, a few patches of good form is not good enough. We have the personnel to challenge for the top 4, but we remain loyal to a ridiculous brand of football that only worked when we were underdogs (now the only team it seems to actually work against is Hawthorn...).
It's really becoming a joke. The opposition just counters and chips it over our "defensive line" (watching our last two games I'm not sure whether these defenders are actually aware of the fact that they are defenders) and literally walk into the goals...
Hombsch has been fantastic (in all honesty, he's the only one who can call himself a defender in the line up). Pittard has been fantastic, but we must remember he is a rebounding defender (regardless he has been more effective at negating opponents than spud Carlisle). Broadbent has been debatable, however Pittard and Broadbent should be the only two players with a license to venture up the ground. Jonas is a shutdown defender, Impey is a shutdown defender, Carlisle is a shutdown defender, and Trengove is a shutdown defender.
Why the flower are they spending most of their time at the 50 meter line, rather than manning their direct opponents. Either the game plan needs to change, or personnel needs to change... The more realistic option is obvious...
Flowering Hinkley is very stubborn about this game plan, but in all honesty, it hasn't worked since 2014... >:(
Today was the most helpless I've seen our side since 2012............... The Crows played well, while we were absolutely embarrassing (I would say it was our worst loss since the 07 Grand Final &, before that, the Semi Final Showdown loss in 2005). A flowering disgraceful performance, by everyone but Gray & Wines, that was an insult to all footy fans... :'(
Yep totally agree. It's laughable how our defenders are more interested in being part of the next attacking chain than doing what they actually paid to do. If Carlile, Trengove want to play in attack then I'm sure a Brisbane, Carlton, St. Kilda, Melbourne will take them. I couldn't give a toss who plays our lockdown roles, as long as the actually stick to that role! Follow their man to the toilet if they have to. Drop Jonas we are too tall in defence, play another mid sized runner or small lockdown or something (DBJ maybe can get a game).
We have a dodgy ruckman but he actually gets hitouts which is surprising, maybe if our mids start to learn to rove to his hitouts we might be better out of the centre. Polec was poor but gotta stick with him, we need speed and he brings that.
How I would lineup for Round 3:
Backs: Jarman Impey, Alipate Carlile, Jack Hombsch
Half Backs: Matthew Broadbent, Jackson Trengove, Jasper Pittard
Centre: Jared Polec, Sam Gray, Brad Ebert
Half Forward: Robbie Gray, Jay Schulz, Aaron Young
Forward: Chad Wingard, Charlie Dixon, Justin Westhoff
1st Ruck: Matthew Lobbe, Ollie Wines, Travis Boak
Interchange From: Brendan Ah Chee, Hamish Hartlett, Jimmy Toumpas, Darcy Byrne Jones, Karl Amon, Paul Stewart, Jake Neade
Carlile and Trengove are lockdown defenders which SHOULD be common knowledge. Hombsch plays on the 3rd tall, Impey on the best small. Broadbent plays loose at all times. You then have Pittard running down one wing and Polec down the other.
Sit Charlie Dixon at full forward with Chad Wingard. Park the two of them there for the majority of the game 2v2, we will win this contest 9/10 times either by Charlie using his body and winning, the ball spilling to the ground and Chad will always win, or by Chad taking Mark of the Millenium over Charlie Dixon. Schulz and Westhoff lead up the ground to isolate the other two and Schulz is great on the lead. Jake Neade can play but he's not in the best 18, Aaron Young played well enough (Despite being a potato at times) to be on the field as that medium forward type player. He also looked bigger than the 81kgs the Port website suggests, I like that.
I just hope we don't stuff up this Friday night, we need to come out and belt the Bombers to prove a point.
That's a good point regarding Lobbe. He is winning a bit against the lower tier rucks but the only midfielders in our side that can actually contest are Wines and Gray (one of which is needed in the forward line just as much as the midfield). We rely too heavily on outside mids.
I'm pretty sure Boak is an inside mid but I have not seen him in the contest once this season. I'm sure Ebert could play on the inside as well. It's got to be a lack of work ethic at this point (esp. considering Boak has been barely sighted apart from a goal or two, he really needs to step up). Hammer is another who can play the contested role well (he's usually pushed out of the role by Boak, Wines, & Gray). He's been too valuable across half-back though.
I see our personnel troubles getting worse before they get better :-\ (I think Lobbe has lost all confidence since Ryder arrived - he was actually elite in 2014).
I just cannot stand the defence (besides Pittard, Hombsch, and to an extent Broadbent). Just shocking - absolutely horrible. Pittard has really been our best player this season so far but he receives little support from teammates (would be kicking at 95-99% if he wasn't under pressure every time he gets the ball - he's turning it over a lot less as well, and considering the fact he's received less support than previous seasons that's a good sign).
Yeah Bonner isn't ready yet so DBJ is probably the best option. I'm not sure what Jonas is doing half the time so he really needs to go - Carlisle and Trengove should really be on thin ice.
I think the man who really should be under pressure is Hinkley though - he needs to stop blaming the players with bs excuses about effort and change the game plan (I'm starting to doubt whether he actually has a plan B at this point). Hawthorn are a champion side because they are versatile and can alter their gameplan on a weekly basis. Port has been the most stubborn club besides Sydney & Freo, but the difference is Sydney have a system that is hard to emulate, takes years to train, and is successful at most times (more an overall club culture than a gameplan - they make champion players out of unfavourable draft picks). Conversely, Freo's strategy is easy for coaches to play against, however it's defensive (the point is not to concede) so it is significantly more effective than our strategy (which is 100% offensive). We aren't scoring enough so it's time to change.
I'm sick of the club faltering and then claiming 5 useless wins (like we did at the end of last season) and saying "we're primed for next season" - implying that the game plan works. I really doubt Hawthorn or Freo cared during those games (Freo rested all their players) and the other teams were in the same position as us. It doesn't work anymore and until that flowering game plan, which I'm guessing every coach in the AFL can now recite, changes, I know I'm going to be frustrated (Carlton, Melbourne, St Kilda, & GWS are all playing better football than us - we have gone from the most entertaining side to one of the least in the space of a year). >:(
It's a tough time to be a Port supporter when it really shouldn't be considering some of the players we have in this team and knowing what they are capable of :-\
Yeah I reckon they've got to change something up, being ultra attacking and just "backing the lads in" isn't working anymore. Get some defensive structures in place.
I noticed as well with the new interchange cap, what we should be seeing is the key players not being rotated as much. I remember a few years back where 4 of North's back 6 had 100% game time in one match, we should be heading back to those numbers with the new cap. Look at the first two games, Carlile 86 and 91, Trengove 83 and 81, Impey 76 and 80. Those numbers just are not good enough for lockdown defenders, I expect 90+ from the key backs each week. On the other side we had Talia 92, Lever 90 and last week Fisher 98, Dempster 93.
We stop our useless defenders from tiring themselves out on the offensive side of the ball, we let the mids go harder and thus use up more of the rotations like they should be!! On the positive side Pittard 87 and 89, Hombsch 88 and 89 and Lobbe 91 and 88 are three guys who I think have good TOG numbers :)
Jay Schulz...
Tom Brown from 7 News reported on Monday (i think) that Schulz's back injury was requiring surgery and could even end his career.
Now ruled out for this weekend
Anyone heard any more on it?
Nothing more than Hinkley saying that Hartlett, Schulz and Wingard won't play this Friday.
Good news for Cloke, Butcher will come in and take the mantle as worst shot on goal
Quote from: Gigantor on April 06, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
Good news for Cloke, Butcher will come in and take the mantle as worst shot on goal
Nah expect Dougal to keep his spot over Butcher (At least that's what I hope happens).
Johnny did kick 4 for the Magpies though...
Quote from: PowerBug on April 06, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on April 06, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
Good news for Cloke, Butcher will come in and take the mantle as worst shot on goal
Nah expect Dougal to keep his spot over Butcher (At least that's what I hope happens).
Johnny did kick 4 for the Magpies though...
He's always a star in the SANFL though
It's obviously psychological and at this point I doubt he could ever develop the mindset to perform at AFL level. His second game still seems to be his best performance (by a mile)
Quote from: powersuperkents on April 06, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 06, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on April 06, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
Good news for Cloke, Butcher will come in and take the mantle as worst shot on goal
Nah expect Dougal to keep his spot over Butcher (At least that's what I hope happens).
Johnny did kick 4 for the Magpies though...
He's always a star in the SANFL though
It's obviously psychological and at this point I doubt he could ever develop the mindset to perform at AFL level. His second game still seems to be his best performance (by a mile)
I still remember Butcher's first kick in AFL was a set shot where he kicked the perfect drop punt and it sailed for a point. His next six scoring shots were all helicopters from all angles but also were all goals...
Quote from: powersuperkents on April 06, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 06, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on April 06, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
Good news for Cloke, Butcher will come in and take the mantle as worst shot on goal
Nah expect Dougal to keep his spot over Butcher (At least that's what I hope happens).
Johnny did kick 4 for the Magpies though...
He's always a star in the SANFL though
It's obviously psychological and at this point I doubt he could ever develop the mindset to perform at AFL level. His second game still seems to be his best performance (by a mile)
Reminds me of a bloke called Scott Hodges, he was another that struggled with confidence when coming from the SANFL into an AFL side. It's all between the ears which can be a tougher problem to fix than just a flawed kicking action. Scotts issues wasn't his kicking but the problem is one in the same, confidence.
I heard this morning that Alipate Carlile is gone for this week. So I'd expect DBJ to make an appearance and fix our shoddy backline.
Picked Aaron Young out of my fantasy draft pool. Dunno much about him other than the fact he was maligned by Power fans I know.
If he can kick 4.2 in a 58 point showdown loss, I assume he's a good chance for 10 if Port smash the Bombers.
Quote from: elephants on April 07, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
Picked Aaron Young out of my fantasy draft pool. Dunno much about him other than the fact he was maligned by Power fans I know.
If he can kick 4.2 in a 58 point showdown loss, I assume he's a good chance for 10 if Port smash the Bombers.
After that performance and with Wingard out he should stay close to goals and hopefully kick goals.
Only trouble is at this stage are we any better than Melbourne?
Was at Adelaide Oval just recently (like an hour ago) and Essendon were out there. Goddard was doing nothing, he was literally standing at the race having pot shots at goal whilst the rest of the team were involved in circle work and in close handball drills. Cooney and number 30? (Is that Langford? idk Essendon that well) were just doing kick ins and didn't join the rest of the team after that.
Quote from: PowerBug on April 07, 2016, 09:25:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 07, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
Picked Aaron Young out of my fantasy draft pool. Dunno much about him other than the fact he was maligned by Power fans I know.
If he can kick 4.2 in a 58 point showdown loss, I assume he's a good chance for 10 if Port smash the Bombers.
After that performance and with Wingard out he should stay close to goals and hopefully kick goals.
Only trouble is at this stage are we any better than Melbourne?
Was at Adelaide Oval just recently (like an hour ago) and Essendon were out there. Goddard was doing nothing, he was literally standing at the race having pot shots at goal whilst the rest of the team were involved in circle work and in close handball drills. Cooney and number 30? (Is that Langford? idk Essendon that well) were just doing kick ins and didn't join the rest of the team after that.
I actually see us losing tomorrow :-\
I would never bet/tip against the Power, but I'm going into this game with low expectations
It really looks like something is wrong with the team and if it's the gameplan (which it probably is) we are in a lot of trouble. I think the world of our players, but objectively, a lot of them have only been good due to Hinkley's gameplan (Jonas is the best example of this). If the gameplan fails (which it is) we see that some of these players are well below AFL standard (why Monfries didn't seem like a great loss until now - I may criticise him, but he is a player who can compete at the top level). It's going to be difficult to change the gameplan because players like Jonas et al. won't be able to keep up (I actually think players like Impey & Pittard may benefit from it).
It's a tough situation because the gameplan is failing, however if we ditch the gameplan a lot of weak-links (i.e. inferior players) will be exposed.
Regarding Aaron Young, I'm pretty sure he was drafted as a half-forward flanker (my consistent criticisms of him have always been when he's playing as an inside mid - maybe that has been the problem for him since 2013, because I remember him doing quite well at HFF when we beat Geelong in 2014 - other than that I've only seen him in the midfield, and he just lacks basic decision-making skills in the contest).
I think that if we are going to continue the gameplan against Essendon we might as well give DBJ (or 2nd Pittard) a run - it will be a guaranteed shootout if that's the case (it will be tough without Schulz & Wingard though - I'm not convinced on Dixon so far, as a Chelsea FC supporter in the EPL, I see a lot of similarities between us getting Dixon and Chelsea getting Torres back in 2011) :-\
Dixon reassured tonight (still need to see how he plays on Phil Davis and Lonergan)
A good first quarter but still not convincing
Gray & Pittard have easily been our best two players this season
Boak still disappointing (Gray had 22 contested possessions, conversely Boak had 22 possessions)
I'm actually liking Aaron Young up forward (fills the Monfries void) - I hated him in the midfield but he's finally in his suited role
Amon looked good while DBJ was promising as a 2nd Pittard
Hopefully we get Wingard & Hartlett back next week
Wines & Polly stepped us as well (Ebert's effort was good but he relies too much on athleticism and he still lacks judgement)
Cannot read too much into the game because those last 3 quarters were shower and our first quarter effort may not work against a structured team (which comprise 16 other teams in the comp.)
We'll see how we go against GWS & hopefully we can get the win and continue building momentum for the Geelong-ANZAC clash
Quote from: PowerBug on April 04, 2016, 05:01:46 PM
Carlile and Trengove are lockdown defenders which SHOULD be common knowledge. Hombsch plays on the 3rd tall, Impey on the best small. Broadbent plays loose at all times. You then have Pittard running down one wing and Polec down the other.
Sit Charlie Dixon at full forward with Chad Wingard. Park the two of them there for the majority of the game 2v2, we will win this contest 9/10 times either by Charlie using his body and winning, the ball spilling to the ground and Chad will always win, or by Chad taking Mark of the Millenium over Charlie Dixon. Schulz and Westhoff lead up the ground to isolate the other two and Schulz is great on the lead. Jake Neade can play but he's not in the best 18, Aaron Young played well enough (Despite being a potato at times) to be on the field as that medium forward type player. He also looked bigger than the 81kgs the Port website suggests, I like that.
I just hope we don't stuff up this Friday night, we need to come out and belt the Bombers to prove a point.
So all this actually happened which makes me wonder whether Hinkley just reads this thread to get his advice. It owuld explain the start to the season coz nothing was posted here hahaha ;D
Now for GWS
Another fine example of our off-field success since Kochie & Keith Thomas arrived :)
What a turnaround from 2012
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-04-14/power-to-play-in-china (http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-04-14/power-to-play-in-china)
Now, to replicate this form on-the-field... :P
Move aside Collingwood, Port Adelaide will have 1 billion members next year :P
Quote from: PowerBug on April 14, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
Move aside Collingwood, Port Adelaide will have 1 billion members next year :P
In that case, Collingwood need to change their nickname because it conflicts with our SANFL team :P
Quote from: powersuperkents on April 14, 2016, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 14, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
Move aside Collingwood, Port Adelaide will have 1 billion members next year :P
In that case, Collingwood need to change their nickname because it conflicts with our SANFL team :P
And their colours. They can be Grey and Pink or something. ;)
Quote from: PowerBug on April 14, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on April 14, 2016, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 14, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
Move aside Collingwood, Port Adelaide will have 1 billion members next year :P
In that case, Collingwood need to change their nickname because it conflicts with our SANFL team :P
And their colours. They can be Grey and Pink or something. ;)
Pink and Gray Galahs?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/shanghaibased-tycoon-gui-goujie-to-pump-millions-of-dollars-into-power/news-story/8f47db2b55556dca06c1967265310cf5 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/shanghaibased-tycoon-gui-goujie-to-pump-millions-of-dollars-into-power/news-story/8f47db2b55556dca06c1967265310cf5)
Gui Goujie becomes biggest benefactor in Port Adelaide’s 146-year history
"Gui’s multi-million dollar support of the Power for the next three years puts his contribution to the club in line with AFL major sponsorship deals â€" such as the seven-figure cheque Port Adelaide collects from French carmaker Renault"
"Gui’s unprecedented individual backing of the Power â€" and wish to bankroll the AFL’s presence in China â€" follows his visits to Adelaide last year when he attended a Port Adelaide match at Adelaide Oval. His commitment to the Power was sealed in the season-closer against Fremantle" - We have to thank Ross Lyon for resting his players
“Port Adelaide deserve a pat on the back - this is an extraordinary turn around from the tough times at the club†- Minister for Investment and Trade Martin Hamilton-Smith
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b6ce9c03bea5b4945a18a694ea2cc6c1?width=650)
PAFC captains (past and present) must be feeling good right now - Hopefully this motivates Boak because, besides kicking the first goal in every game, he's been quite abysmal this season
Koch'y is a clever man. When Port appointed him I remember saying to myself, well done you have more than your average club chairman.
Just disgusting...
Performance on the field today completely outweighs anything we've done off-the-field...
If the club sings 'Never Tear Us Apart' before our game against Geelong next week, I can assure you that the rest of the competition will be laughing at us.
Hinkley should really be on thin ice at this point. The club has one game plan and it doesn't work anymore. Either change it or, if he can't, find a new coach.
Since Voss moved in our midfield has gone from contested kings, to no contest whatsoever. I think it's about time we got a midfield coach who was at the same standard as Voss' predecessor, may he rest in peace.
Looks like Byrne-Jones will get games over Impey as well, he was good today.
Jasper Pittard should be leading our B&F at this stage, been superb.
Quote from: PowerBug on April 17, 2016, 08:43:45 PM
Looks like Byrne-Jones will get games over Impey as well, he was good today.
Jasper Pittard should be leading our B&F at this stage, been superb.
DBJ has been fantastic
I agree, Pittard ha easily been our best player this season - esp. considering his lack of support (e.g. Shiel's goal in which not one player was willing to help Pittard by shepherding off GWS' players). Really think Pittard is taking some big steps in his development this season (he's basically set up every goal this year - along with Robbie)
Real lack of depth in the midfield - the Giants focused on Gray and shut him down - usually another mid is suppose to step up in those situations, no one did...
Gray, Dixon, Hartlett escape suspensions.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/match-review-panel-says-power-stars-charlie-dixon-robbie-gray-and-hamish-hartlett-clear-to-play-cats/news-story/ec7e7e33efbe0dcf7633007f1a6eb0dc
I'm reading those changes correctly aren't I? Geez it better work... ::)
The players better get drilled into them how Geelong don't rate us so they decide to "manage" one of their key forwards. No one rests a player of that quality against good opposition, so we suck.
Now go out there and prove them wrong!
Keen for Saturday night, up the Power :)
How many players should we drop?
Westhoff for Butcher I would do. At least one will provide a contest
Gray and Jonas will get suspended, so Ah Chee gets back in (should never have been dropped) and Clurey gets a chance. I'd do Jonas or at the veyr least O'Shea for Clurey...
What is Paul Stewarts role? Anyone know?
That's all I'm tired that was frustrating.
You know what frustrated me more than anything?
Karl Amon's kick backwards that led to a Geelong goal.
WHAT THE LEGIT FLOWER YOU SPUD!?!
If he can get drafted and do that shower then I can also get drafted lmao.
Quote from: PowerBug on April 24, 2016, 12:35:28 AM
How many players should we drop?
Westhoff for Butcher I would do. At least one will provide a contest
Gray and Jonas will get suspended, so Ah Chee gets back in (should never have been dropped) and Clurey gets a chance. I'd do Jonas or at the veyr least O'Shea for Clurey...
What is Paul Stewarts role? Anyone know?
That's all I'm tired that was frustrating.
O'Shea actually looked like he would struggle playing under 18's normally when power is down he stands up. Colquhoun? Should be playing if he is available. One thing I noticed was ball use after quarter time. Not turnovers but just kicks to 50-50's and unless they were going to stop Selwood and Danger winning clearances that tactic is awful.
Young in the last 2 weeks seems to be the only forward making contest a majority of the time. I feel he should be in the middle or atleast behind the ball instead
If Jonas doesn't get suspended no way he plays next weekend. Looked like he forgot how to read the ball and set up behind the play as he always looked out of position
Dougie needs to be included IMO. Forward & Ruck back up.
It's not the players' fault...
If the game proved anything it's the coaches and the limits of man's athleticism
We dominated the first quarter... but the flowering style of play is unsustainable...
YES we had emotion to motivate us and an innovative game plan to bamboozle opponents in 2013 & 2014.
But emotion isn't sustainable and our game plan is no longer innovative.
The style was play could make us the best first quarter team... however, it WILL make us the worst 2nd, 3rd, & 4th quarter team...
Couldn't anyone else see that our players were exhausted by half time... that's why they started making mistakes... they aren't A) superheros or B) on performance enhancing drugs, they cannot be expected to keep up such a high pressure game for so long.
The Hawks are good because they retain possession and kick it around (they only really expend energy when they need it). The Bulldogs rotate players and switch the ball (rather than stubbornly try and force their way through the middle of the field) so they can maintain high pace football without players tiring out. The Crows simplify their counter attacking game plan and have very stationary forward and defenders (that way their interchange cap is used on the midfield and half-back movers).
There is nothing special about the way he play... in fact it is now the worst game plan in the comp.
The worst part is that our more talented players are starting to give up (e.g. Gray, Wingard, Westhoff) because they are smart enough to know that there is no point wasting time if the team will inevitably lose
The players aren't the problem... it's Hinkley, and I think it's time receive the ultimatum to either change the game plan or leave the club...
Bringing back Ah chee & Polec will result in nothing but Power fans requesting they be dropped next week...
Last night conclusively proved it's not the players fault... it is impossible to play that intense a style of footy for one quarter (our players athleticism is incredible to pull that off alone), let alone four...
I'm really doubting him as a coach, anyone with a brain can see that it doesn't work anymore, and it's not going to work again... (if he cannot develop a new gameplan, the best thing he could do for the club is resign at a time where we can attract a decent coach to replace him).
I appreciate everything he's done for the club... but he's seriously trying to deflect his own faults upon the players
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-24/pressure-on-at-port (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-24/pressure-on-at-port)
He's starting to resemble the humble peasant turned mad tyrant... that style of football would be sustainable... if he had the Avengers rather than 22 AFL players...
Lets just break down the slump in energy
5 goals in the first quarter - and dominated all stats
3 goals for the rest of the game and the stats were overturned by half time...
Hinkley can blame the players all he wants... the fact is that he has exhausted them by quarter time and this has been occurring since late 2015...
Surprisingly against the Hawks we played to accommodate them and retained possession and play rather low intensity football... we won that game convincingly...
In summary, CHANGE THE FLOWERING GAMEPLAN because Hinkley's excuses are going to run out...
Quote from: powersuperkents on April 24, 2016, 01:00:17 PM
The worst part is that our more talented players are starting to give up (e.g. Gray, Wingard, Westhoff) because they are smart enough to know that there is no point wasting time if the team will inevitably lose
The players aren't the problem... it's Hinkley, and I think it's time receive the ultimatum to either change the game plan or leave the club...
I don't think it is just Ken, it's an attitude problem if the players are giving up because they know they are going to lose.
I'm not trolling but I think it's time for Ken to stop using the 'We will never give up' company line, because it's obvious the players did and then in the presser, he tried spinning the meaning away from never giving up on gameday to never giving up on the club.
Depth is a massive issue as well right now, you sold all of your high end draft picks and talent on Dixon and Ryder and it has just backfired, even with a full squad in '15 with Ryder/Monfries, you failed to make finals and with Dixon, you look like a rabble and you have too many passengers.
Well, lots to say as usual, so let's break it down...
First thing, let me give you some names. Carlile, Trengove, R.Gray, White, Ryder, Schulz, Wingard, Monfries. Now let me give you another 8 names: Gibson, Stratton, S.Mitchell, I.Smith, McEvoy, Roughead, Rioli, Breust. That is a like for like (roughly) of the Port players missing but in Hawthorn's side. Take out those 8 Hawks players where would they be?! Not playing like back to back to back premiers that's for sure! Now there's obviously lots more to it than just naming names and making excuses for poor form, but we can't deny that it makes a difference!!
The defenders, THEY DEFENDED!! Unbelievable. I saw players do well one on one and I was very impressed by the amount of spoils we had (over 50 I believe). Hombsch and Jonas were really undersized on Riewoldt and Vickery, but we almost always had a 3rd player back to spoil the contest. A good team defensive effort. And so glad Krakouer came straight back in. A defender that puts defending first! We had 99 tackles, incredible, there was effort there. We were running back to our defensive 50, there was pressure on every Richmond player.
Westhoff after a terrible start was taking marks so easily, as was Dixon. No Rance hurt them and having the worst player of all time Troy Chaplin in that backline as their best key helps us big time. We can't really take too much until we see them again over the next few weeks. The West Coast defence in 3 weeks especially, as their defence is a very good one.
Overall though, we are 3-3. Yeah there's holes, yeah it may have been a really bad Richmond, but it's still 3-3 and with a good chance to take it to 5-3 over the next 2 weeks. Get some of those names back I reckon it'll only help the team out more :)
Up the Power! :D
They were fantastic - not an exceptional performance but they got back to the basics (the main thing I noticed is that they didn't confuse 'high risk football' with plain stupidity).
They switched and opted for the centre corridor and Polly, Boak, Wines, & Hartlett lead the midfield (what we have been looking for all season).
The game style reminded me of how we used to play in 2013. Obviously we have taken some steps back since 2014 (maybe it's injuries, maybe it's that we play better as undermanned underdogs) but it's good to see that the team went back to the drawing board and refined the playing style (the only time it has been executed this season).
I'm thinking that we don't actually want a big defender down back (our smaller defenders are capable of running all day if they aren't worn out cleaning up the other players messes - besides DBJ & Pittard who will never stop running), Hombsch seems capable of covering the tall forwards and the players seemed to favour a zone defence this game (which worked well).
I was really pleased with that performance (Lobbe can play out the season in the SANFL for all I care - Howard, Westhoff, & Dixon rotating through the ruck/forward/mid roles were fantastic - Dixon is so mobile for his size).
Impey was solid up forward as well - Young is obviously our most improved player this season, Pittard still the B&F candidate imo
Very impressed with Polly though - he really stood up to the challenge and was the prime mover (Hartlett is probably best utilised in the midfield - R. Gray should remain at half-forward when he returns).
Can add Lobbe to the injury list, although I guess he was not best 22 at the time of the injury anyway.
Now Dougal Howard plays, and we really need to look at how the Doggies worked themselves out last year when they played without Minson. Only problem is we don't play at Etihad every week like they do.
Just another question, if Howard misses a week, what happens?
Quote from: PowerBug on May 03, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Can add Lobbe to the injury list, although I guess he was not best 22 at the time of the injury anyway.
Now Dougal Howard plays, and we really need to look at how the Doggies worked themselves out last year when they played without Minson. Only problem is we don't play at Etihad every week like they do.
Just another question, if Howard misses a week, what happens?
Frampton?
Quote from: nas on May 03, 2016, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on May 03, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Can add Lobbe to the injury list, although I guess he was not best 22 at the time of the injury anyway.
Now Dougal Howard plays, and we really need to look at how the Doggies worked themselves out last year when they played without Minson. Only problem is we don't play at Etihad every week like they do.
Just another question, if Howard misses a week, what happens?
Frampton?
Dixon/Westhoff/Trengove
I assume we will rotate Howard/Dixon/Westhoff & Trengove throughout the ruck every game (it may improve the side - the Bulldogs are the best example of a high rotation side).
My concern is... that we didn't win the hit-outs to begin with... but the midfield really needs to stand up now and contest. The difference when we contested for the ball compared to when our mids didn't contest was highly noticeable against Richmond (primarily, when we didn't contest, they had all the momentum - when we did we saw glimpses of our 2013 side)
Also, I don't think I've seen Broadbent play like that since 2014...
Broadbent, Krakouer, Pittard, & DBJ were sensational against Richmond. I'm thinking that maybe Hombsch should be the only tall defender in our lineup (he was fantastic as well - as always)
Quote from: PowerBug on May 03, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Just another question, if Howard misses a week, what happens?
Surely just Hoff and Dixon go it together haha.
I've just picked up Polec from my Free Agency Pool in my draft league. He smashes up shower teams and (105 on Essendon and 95 on Richmond so far this year) and Port play Brisbane (home) and Carlton (away) in their next two. I'm not drunk or high I swear.
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 03, 2016, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: nas on May 03, 2016, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on May 03, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Can add Lobbe to the injury list, although I guess he was not best 22 at the time of the injury anyway.
Now Dougal Howard plays, and we really need to look at how the Doggies worked themselves out last year when they played without Minson. Only problem is we don't play at Etihad every week like they do.
Just another question, if Howard misses a week, what happens?
Frampton?
Also, I don't think I've seen Broadbent play like that since 2014...
Broadbent, Krakouer, Pittard, & DBJ were sensational against Richmond. I'm thinking that maybe Hombsch should be the only tall defender in our lineup (he was fantastic as well - as always)
He's playing more midfield time I'm noticing. Or at the very least lining up at around the ground stoppages either at the pack or sitting just behind.
Horses for courses. Against Brisbane we can probably get away with only Hombsch, but against North (Petrie, Waite, Brown) I wouldn't want to go in like that at all. We gotta adopt a team defence game style like West Coast and the Doggies did last year. Or just do what the Eagles did the best last year, win it out of the midfield. The defence may be undersized, but if they can't get the ball forward, they won't score! ;)
Impey kicked three I noticed, he playing more forward now that DBJ has come in?
Complete and utter bullflower...
Is it too much to ask for an impartial umpire when you play Carlton in Melbourne... Flowering hell, the same ridiculous calls as last season
Also, Hinkley... please fire Spud O'Shea and Karl Amon... they are both showerhouse players and continue to pull the team down (they aren't depth... they are flowering useless).
The club should really ask for a review of some of those decisions - flowering 26 free kicks to 11.....
Umpires were fine get over it!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on May 15, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
Umpires were fine get over it!
That's rich coming from a Hawk's supporter :P
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 15, 2016, 04:50:12 PM
The club should really ask for a review of some of those decisions - flowering 26 free kicks to 11.....
Worked for the Crows they got the umpiring last week ;)
Not blaming the umpires I don't think they go out to favour a team on purpose that is ridiculous, they only call it as they see it.
Any half decent team wouldn't have lost that game from the position we were in.
Quote from: PowerBug on May 15, 2016, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 15, 2016, 04:50:12 PM
The club should really ask for a review of some of those decisions - flowering 26 free kicks to 11.....
Worked for the Crows they got the umpiring last week ;)
Not blaming the umpires I don't think they go out to favour a team on purpose that is ridiculous, they only call it as they see it.
Any half decent team wouldn't have lost that game from the position we were in.
We've lost a lot of players and the depth is really shower....
Young has been fantastic and Krakouer & DBJ have been worthy of selection - even Stewart isn't the player that used to give me headaches
Toumpas is better than Amon though - he makes decent decisions and Amon isn't really a player I want in the lineup
O'Shea... is shower... plain and simple >:( (they should of delisted him and Butcher last off-season along with Moore).
Westhoff has really been disappointing... Why didn't he take the shot, rather than kick to the top of the square, that one poor decision (by a guy who looks like he is suffering a complete breakdown) really lost the match... He used to be a really good set shot for goal, however this season he's been too scared to even shoot... (I still remember against the Tigers were he opted to handball rather than shoot from right in front - he needs to play as a loose defender because he's not doing his job up forward).
I would still attribute the loss to some of the umpire's calls though - Dixon even marked it in the closing minutes and a player punched it out of his hands (he had completely controlled it though) and the ref continued play. With the bigger clubs that would be talked about for the following week as a topic of debate... however, for us it won't even get a flowering mention (just like that bullshower last time we played them in Melbourne when Colquhoun marked it from 35 metres out and the ref called 'touch', there was literally nothing to indicate it was touched and it didn't receive a mention again - do that against Collingwood and the media would talk about it for days afterwards...)
Quote from: PowerBug on May 15, 2016, 04:58:49 PM
Any half decent team wouldn't have lost that game from the position we were in.
This is the key point from the weekend I think. Honestly too, I'd be telling Hoff to have a shot from where he did too. Worst case scenario it goes through for a point and you've got a 5 point lead and a chance to implement the full forward press. As it is though he popped it to the top of the square and Carlton rebound to kick the winner.
The Trengove ruck situation, how do Power fans see that? Is he doing enough?
Quote from: elephants on May 16, 2016, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: PowerBug on May 15, 2016, 04:58:49 PM
Any half decent team wouldn't have lost that game from the position we were in.
This is the key point from the weekend I think. Honestly too, I'd be telling Hoff to have a shot from where he did too. Worst case scenario it goes through for a point and you've got a 5 point lead and a chance to implement the full forward press. As it is though he popped it to the top of the square and Carlton rebound to kick the winner.
The Trengove ruck situation, how do Power fans see that? Is he doing enough?
I think Trengove is honestly the best ruck we have, barring Ryder.
Lobbe was complete shower (I think he was one of the players that was performing well in 2013-14 because of Hinkley's emotional motivation) and Dougal Howard (our second best after Trengove) is still too young.
I personally like what Trengove has done (esp. considering that he is playing out of position). He roves the oppositions hitouts well which is important because
1) we don't have a ruck; &
2) the midfielders (excluding Wines) don't seem to be doing it (which is their flowering job - Gray has already crashed, I'm worried that carrying the team's contested game will take its toll on Wines later in the season - Trengove removes some of the workload which is really important).
They can drop Westhoff for all I care at the moment. He reads the play well and is a fantastic contested mark (rarely loses at the contest) but he seems unbalanced when he's around goals.
I would have to say the individual players that cost us the game were;
1) O'Shea (he had multiple options in the 50, time and space, why the flower did he handball back to a pressured Polec - FIRE THE SPUD!!!);
2) Karl Amon (was he even paying attention when he got himself tackled in the back 50, directly in front of the goals - OMIT HIM FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON! The only promising thing I've seen from this spud is when he kicked 3 goals against the GCS last year... it's not like that even an achievement in the modern game... it's what's expected of forward, esp. small forward - also why was he in the midfield...); &
3) Westhoff (the reluctance to take a set shot that ultimately resulted in the winning goal... obviously it's psychological at this point because refusing to take set shots, even from point blank range, has been a recurring theme of his season so far - every time he's refused to take a set shot, the team has suffered - Throw him on the wing or as a loose man in defence, he shouldn't be a forward at this point)
But regarding Trengove, he is a set up from Lobbe (definitely the club's 2nd best ruck, after Ryder, at this point)
Great insight thanks mate!
Trengove was initially recruited as a ruck, so it's not that surprising.
Quote from: Ziplock on May 22, 2016, 06:59:25 PM
Trengove was initially recruited as a ruck, so it's not that surprising.
I thought he was drafted as a KPP
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 22, 2016, 09:05:58 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 22, 2016, 06:59:25 PM
Trengove was initially recruited as a ruck, so it's not that surprising.
I thought he was drafted as a KPP
He started fantasy formats as a D/R so I guess he was a bit of both growing up.
Quote from: PowerBug on May 22, 2016, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 22, 2016, 09:05:58 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 22, 2016, 06:59:25 PM
Trengove was initially recruited as a ruck, so it's not that surprising.
I thought he was drafted as a KPP
He started fantasy formats as a D/R so I guess he was a bit of both growing up.
It seems like he knows the fundamentals of ruck work - his hit outs to advantages against Carlton shows that he knows what he is doing - and he has usually been a pinch hitter so when I think about it he must of had ruck experience as a junior.
He's been overlooked over the last season by many fans (he was a solid half-back in 2013 & 14 and played a huge part in the club's resurrection). In 2015 he was quite frustrating and before Lobbe got injured I really didn't like his defensive work (or contributions to the side) so it's good that he has had the chance to prove his value (he's really been one of our most important players this season since Lobbe went down). He's a genuine club man as well - it's good to see that he's no longer struggling, he seemed a bit awkward at half-back over the last year or so. Hopefully this stint in the ruck reinvigorates his defensive efforts next season and he can get back to his best.
Lobbe's the one I'm worried about at this point... When Ryder returns I don't know how Lobbe will contribute to the side (these situations are psychologically tough on the players as well)
I just hope Ryder and Monfries can come back and be as good as they were.
Jonas will probably be serving the same length as Steven May (i.e. 4-5 weeks - May had a week added for a poor record).
Do you guys think it's time to try Butcher in a shut down defensive role?
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 23, 2016, 11:25:40 PM
Jonas will probably be serving the same length as Steven May (i.e. 4-5 weeks - May had a week added for a poor record).
Do you guys think it's time to try Butcher in a shut down defensive role?
Be worth a go, as long as not kicking out after a point scored.
Quote from: nas on May 24, 2016, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: powersuperkents on May 23, 2016, 11:25:40 PM
Jonas will probably be serving the same length as Steven May (i.e. 4-5 weeks - May had a week added for a poor record).
Do you guys think it's time to try Butcher in a shut down defensive role?
Be worth a go, as long as not kicking out after a point scored.
that would be a nightmare hahahahaha
It will be a lot of work for Pittard, DBJ, & Broadbent because they will need to provide him with handball options (last season Butch didn't pass the ball via kicks when it was in play). I think Clurey's still injured so now is the time for Butch to prove himself (Ken will probably add another rebounding defender though)
Any avid port supporter know if Riley bonner is a chance to play this week? :D
Does anyone think Howard can last through the byes?
serisouly looking at him this week.
Does Howard coming in push Trengove back?
Very surprised it was Howard coming in and not Carlisle to cover Jonas.
I fear what Gawn could do to Howard.
They just want another body to help out in the ruck, something Carlile doesn't provide. Howard is playing purely because he can ruck, and that means against lesser rucks (like the next two weeks) he won't play unless of course Hinkley picks him off performance.
I think Trengove will still be the 1st ruck. I don't think Melbournw have the tallest fwd line? so Hombsch covers Hogan, then O'Shea will cover the next tall say Watts. If Hogan gets out of hand we might play Trengove back there.
Quote from: PowerBug on May 27, 2016, 10:57:07 AM
They just want another body to help out in the ruck, something Carlile doesn't provide. Howard is playing purely because he can ruck, and that means against lesser rucks (like the next two weeks) he won't play unless of course Hinkley picks him off performance.
I think Trengove will still be the 1st ruck. I don't think Melbournw have the tallest fwd line? so Hombsch covers Hogan, then O'Shea will cover the next tall say Watts. If Hogan gets out of hand we might play Trengove back there.
I assume Paul Stewart is able to assist down back too if needed?
Congrats DBJ!!
I admit I didn't rate him during the NAB because he was constantly turning the ball over (I'm ashamed to have said that he "wasn't AFL standard" after the NAB game against the Dees - I've said similar about Pittard in the past but I always forget just how much pressure the rebounding half-back role entails - really the most risky role on the ground), however he hasn't missed a beat since coming into the side during the H&A season. He's shaping up to be a quality rebounding defender and his offensive game is brilliant.
Best of luck to Pittard Jnr. during the Rising Star voting night and keep up the good work ;D (great to see that young talent is coming through in a team reaching the solidified stages of its lineup)
He has been real good! Thought he was gonna be out for some time when he went over on his ankle/knee against us a couple of weeks ago but good to see he bounced back!
Any Port supporters have an opinion on Hartlett and his position? Apparently spent time across halfback on the weekend. Was this because of Broadbent being out? A slight dip in form?
Noticed he seems to finish every season like an absolute house on fire so just wondering what he's been up to haha,
Quote from: elephants on May 31, 2016, 02:53:30 PM
He has been real good! Thought he was gonna be out for some time when he went over on his ankle/knee against us a couple of weeks ago but good to see he bounced back!
Any Port supporters have an opinion on Hartlett and his position? Apparently spent time across halfback on the weekend. Was this because of Broadbent being out? A slight dip in form?
Noticed he seems to finish every season like an absolute house on fire so just wondering what he's been up to haha,
Last season he seemed to play more of a half-back role during the mid season (due to our poor contested winning skills in defence).
However, due to injuries he was one of our main contested mids for the last few games of the season to fill the Ollie Wines void (he seemed to be playing the ruck-rover role against the Gold Coast - his biggest fantasy score for the season).
He's had some stints in the guts this season but hasn't produced the same numbers - I think he'll play across half-back for the foreseeable future (he's constantly named up forward but I rarely see him there).
In all honesty, he's our third best contested mid imo (only R. Gray & Wines ahead of him). He jumped ahead of Boak in 2015 (it may just be fatigue or increased attention in regards to Boak's decline). Ebert is suppose to be decent in the contest, however he's one of our more athletic players so he plays the outside role - if there are any injuries he could be worth a look into (he still needs to work on reducing clangers though - ranked 2nd in the league for total flower ups and 3rd in the league for average flower ups per game - I suspect it's why he lost the Vice-captaincy - I highly rate him still).
It's tough to tell which Port player will fire... we are one of the worst teams in terms of contested possessions but our game plan has always relied on uncontested possessions/outside run which was fine until other clubs realised it. The only players guaranteed to be playing contested roles are Wines and Gray during his stints in the midfield.
Fantasy wise, I would say Gray is the only player on the list you could accurately back to fire each week. The rest are unpredictable - if you guess correctly you will gain a huge POD though (but I don't see the form lasting for more than 2-4 weeks - Wingard is probably the best to bet on having a long duration of good form imo with Gray being the consistent scorer).
Really a tough side to evaluate fantasy wise and definitely not similar to teams like the Eagles in which you know who is reliable - e.g. Pridda on the inside, Gaff on the outside, JJK for monster scores etc. That's what really bugs me, we constantly brag about fitness over the off-season but at the end of the day, certain players from other clubs perform consistently and rarely falter, however the only players who have consistently performed for the Power is Robbie Gray (and Pittard this season, surprisingly DBJ is another one and Wines you cannot blame because of his workload).
I think wait on Hammer because he hasn't been incredible this season but his worst has been horrible (watchlist him for now). Port's a tricky team to predict in fantasy football. If I had to select three players from the side for fantasy football my preferences would be Gray, Wingard, then Wines (I would need more time to decide on Hartlett if it wasn't a legacy league).
Old article, but:
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-04-05/robbies-weird-pregame-ritual
QuoteAt exactly three hours and 15 mintues before the first bounce, Gray has two banana and honey sandwiches on wholemeal bread, accompanied by half a muffin.
It's a ritual he's kept since 2013.
By chance, he'd had the meal before a game at the end of the season and ended up having a great game - and he's maintained the habit ever since.
Haha the bloke is crazy :P I wonder whether he starts preparing the food at that time or he starts eating it at that time?
Meanwhile Polec has to eat gnocchi the night before the game, that's fair gnocchi is nice and it's not like he has a specific time set for it. And Trengove has to be the last one out onto the ground, fair enough.
I also notice that Lobbe goes to the centre of the ground during the warmup. Reason? He watches the umpire bounce the ball to see which way it's bouncing. What a crazy man :P (Obviously it doesn't help him either ;D)
out of all those, Lobbe's probably makes the most sense :P If an umpire's technique is slightly off it could favour a direction :P
Quote from: Ziplock on June 02, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
out of all those, Lobbe's probably makes the most sense :P If an umpire's technique is slightly off it could favour a direction :P
They're all still silly :P
Although we have lots of rebounding defender, nice to see Travis Cloke add to our defensive stocks for the week ;) Is Cloke any more than a rich man's John Butcher? He will probably come out and 'tear us apart' ;) now that I've said that :(
Quote from: PowerBug on June 02, 2016, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on June 02, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
out of all those, Lobbe's probably makes the most sense :P If an umpire's technique is slightly off it could favour a direction :P
They're all still silly :P
Although we have lots of rebounding defender, nice to see Travis Cloke add to our defensive stocks for the week ;) Is Cloke any more than a rich man's John Butcher? He will probably come out and 'tear us apart' ;) now that I've said that :(
Yep ;D
Collingwood should trial Cloke at fullback :P
It's worked well for Jesse White and Cloke's defensive contributions are more significant than the fullbacks he's matched up against hahaha
Well, that was a very nice win and well worth the trip to Melbourne to see it :)
Team defence the focus yet again. Even more undersized than usual with Stewart, O'Shea playing lockdown roles on Cox and White with Austin on Cloke, the way we constantly got that 3rd man back to help out was great. Also great that the Pies decided to do nothing about it! :D small forwards were awesome, being beaten in the ruck is still a worry moving forward but I think it's been working so far.
Up against a similar but better performing team in the Doggies at home, hopefully we can go 7-5 :)
Quote from: PowerBug on June 06, 2016, 09:20:12 PM
Well, that was a very nice win and well worth the trip to Melbourne to see it :)
Team defence the focus yet again. Even more undersized than usual with Stewart, O'Shea playing lockdown roles on Cox and White with Austin on Cloke, the way we constantly got that 3rd man back to help out was great. Also great that the Pies decided to do nothing about it! :D small forwards were awesome, being beaten in the ruck is still a worry moving forward but I think it's been working so far.
Up against a similar but better performing team in the Doggies at home, hopefully we can go 7-5 :)
I think being beaten in the ruck has caused Boak to recapture form
I loved Robbie Gray up forward and Dixon is really starting to show that he is worth the money
Logan Austin was fantastic on debut
Port Adelaide.com.au asked me which debutant had impressed me the most this season and I was sad to rank it;
1. Charlie Dixon
2. DBJ
3. Dougal Howard
4. Logan Austin
5. Jimmy Toumpas
Jimmy T really needs to lift, I know he's young but he hasn't shown anything at the Demons or the Power. Hopefully it only takes a year or two to unlock his potential, or fellow supporters, like the rest of the comp., will begin to doubt whether there is any potential to unlock at AFL level.
In other news, Aaron Young confirms his contract extension :)
Hopefully Monfries will provide some much needed depth when he returns because Young has easily pushed ahead of him in the HFF role
So Polec dropped, I wonder who comes in?
Amon in :-\ Colquhoun wil be the travelling emergency he's not named in the SANFL side. Toumpas and Ah Chee the other two emergencies named for the Magpies.
Jay Schulz also named for the Magpies :D
Quote from: PowerBug on June 16, 2016, 07:38:14 PM
Jay Schulz also named for the Magpies :D
I'm rapt about this! Schulz and Dixon in the same forward line (hopefully round 15 we'll see the first of it) will take some effort to stop!
You can just see that losing to Carlton is going to cost us a finals spot yet again ::)
Not expecting finals as we need to beat two of Crows/Swans (A)/Giants (H) to be a chance, then need North to lose three of their remaining games (They have Eagles, Dogs, Hawks and Giants all to come so it's possible, even Pies might trouble them this week) and we should jump them on % if we finish level.
Would be pretty hilarious if North dropped out the 8, but I think they will hold on.
We are a good chance this week and against the fruit tingles.
Quote from: PowerBug on July 19, 2016, 01:30:53 PM
You can just see that losing to Carlton is going to cost us a finals spot yet again ::)
Not expecting finals as we need to beat two of Crows/Swans (A)/Giants (H) to be a chance, then need North to lose three of their remaining games (They have Eagles, Dogs, Hawks and Giants all to come so it's possible, even Pies might trouble them this week) and we should jump them on % if we finish level.
Would be pretty hilarious if North dropped out the 8, but I think they will hold on.
+1
Like losing to Carlton & Brisbane cost us last season
Losing to Carlton & Freo will cost us this season
It's a shame because the only thing keeping us out the 8 seems to be the team itself - you just cannot afford to be inconsistent in this comp (esp. with teams like the Eagles, Crows etc. who will always easily beat the teams they should beat - our boys just haven't been able to do that and throwing games has been a common theme over the last two seasons :-\ )
Does Lobbe resume #1 ruck position now? Surely not!
Quote from: fanTCfool on July 19, 2016, 10:11:13 PM
Does Lobbe resume #1 ruck position now? Surely not!
I hope not. Port Magpies are a chance of making the SANFL finals would surely be smart to make sure Lobbe plays there to get them into the SANFL finals (And thus qualifies for the finals) instead of coming into the AFL side and disrupting the structure like he did when he went down with injury. What we having with Trengove is working! It will also depend on whether Dixon plays, any news on that I missed the TV news tonight, is he fit? :-\
Hearing Dixon will miss a week
all though
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-07-18/injury-update-round-17
Quote from: nas on July 19, 2016, 10:33:20 PM
Hearing Dixon will miss a week
all though
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-07-18/injury-update-round-17
Right. So the undersized defence will need to go at it again.
What do the Giants have up front? Cameron, Patton + ?? Logan Austin, Tom Clurey will have a fun time.
Last time we played them we had: Hombsch on Patton (1.1), Trengove on Lobb (4.1), Jonas on Tomlinson (0.0) (according to FF matchcentre) and Cameron was suspended for that match.
This time it'll be Clurey, Austin and Paul Stewart?? as the 3 talls assuming Lobbe doesn't play thus Trengove rucks. I'd back in the young lads and let Trengove ruck. idk what to do as the Dixon replacement, is there anyone not named John Butcher that can play key forward??
Quote from: PowerBug on July 19, 2016, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: nas on July 19, 2016, 10:33:20 PM
Hearing Dixon will miss a week
all though
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-07-18/injury-update-round-17
Right. So the undersized defence will need to go at it again.
What do the Giants have up front? Cameron, Patton + ?? Logan Austin, Tom Clurey will have a fun time.
2 Tanks and a Stevie J, plus one of Lobb and Mummy in terms of Big Boys
I agree
Trengove over Lobbe by miles - neither are going to win many hit outs but Trengove has been a clearance machine
Dixon gone really has me worried though - hopefully Schulz can work his way into some form and we play the traditional forward structure (only with Young instead of Gus - which is a definite improvement on paper)
Butcher looks as if covering for Dixon.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-07-20/butcher-in-for-dixon
oh no
Flower >:(
Say goodbye to any chance of playing finals :'(
Quote from: powersuperkents on July 20, 2016, 08:09:43 PM
Flower >:(
Say goodbye to any chance of playing finals :'(