Ele and I are always keen to talk trades :P
Basically we're looking to take the best offer for something with Montags. No doubt he is having an off year but is still only 30 and has many more years left in him. He's a lock for a 100+ average next year. Just look at Boomer. In 2009 he was the same age. His average had just dropped from 112 the year before to 87. The AFL world said he was too old. The AFL world said he was done. The AFL world said retire. Boomer said get flowered. He went on to average 100 the next year and 101, 95, 104, 109 in the following years. So basically if you want a 109 averaging mid with plenty of years left in him, then Montags is your man ;)
In all seriousness Montagna isn't in the future of New Delhi so we will take the best offer. Can also package up with other players
Looking for ruckmen or basically just any good kids
FIRE SALE!! EVERYTHING MUST GO!! - well not everything must go but most aren't in the future plans of New Delhi....
Leigh Montagna
James Podsiadly
Kyle Cheney
Will Langford
Matt White
Jake Melksham
Shaun Hampson
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen
Dylan Buckley
Rhys Palmer
Zac Williams
Ben Stratton
Daniel Talia
Jordan Kelly
Bradley Helbig
Cory Dell'Olio
Shaun Edwards
Cameron Giles
Brent Renouf
Andrew Raines
Lewis Roberts-Thompson
Zac Dawson
Prefer to keep but... - still open to talk trades about and certainly won't be overpriced.
Mitch Duncan
Toby Greene
Andrew Gaff
Ryan Bastinac
Aaron Mullett
Jimmy Webster
Shane Savage
Sharrod Wellingham
Viv Michie
George Horlin-Smith
Sam Dunell
Nick Robertson
Jordan Murdoch
Tom Sheridan
Rohan Bail
Toby Nankervis
Lincoln McCarthy
Riley Knight
THE TRADE TABLE: BEIJING
ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK:
A.Carlile, H.Schade, T.Temay, S.Naismith, J.Butcher, J.Petrenko, Z.Webster, J.Ellis
ON THE TABLE:
J.Hunt, A.Toovey, M.Talia, L.Stevenson, M.Rosa, K.Mitchell, D.Stanley, M.Jones, S.Gray, J.Battersby, R.Lobb, E.Betts, T.Varcoe, M.Harvey, R.Tarrant, S.Gumbleton, T.O'Brien, J.Stewart
TRADEABLE, BUT WOULD PREFER TO KEEP:
H.Taylor, C.Hooker, E.Yeo, J.Thurlow, L.Shiels, B.Grundy, M.Kreuzer, B.Kennedy, T.Broomhead
UNTOUCHABLE:
O.Wines, J.Caddy, S.Mayes, J.Aish, L.Neale
DRAFT PICKS: (Draft picks available for trade)
Pick #1
Pick #4
Pick #21
Pick #37
TARGET PLAYERS
We will be targeting starting players for all positions, in particular another captain option to compliment Wines, preferably a midfielder. We'd also like to improve our depth across the board.
Mexico City Suns
ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK: (Likely to delist or throw in to sweeten a deal)
Brent Moloney, Tim McGenniss, Dylan Addison, Cameron Hitchcock, Brendon Ah Chee*, Sam Siggins*
ON THE TABLE: (Looking to trade this player for a fair deal)
Jed Adcock, Brian Lake, Daniel Merrett, Mark Baguley, Michael Firritto, Daniel Pearce, James Strauss, Adam Carter, Tom Cutler, Scott Thompson (ADEL), Tom Curren, Brandon Jack, Shane Biggs, Josh Prudden, Jake Barrett, Sean Lemmens, Stewart Crameri, Adam Goodes, Jarrad Waite, Mark Blicavs, Daniel Currie, Brady Grey*, Daniel Robinson*
COULD BE PERSUADED: (Would need a ripper deal to let these players go)
Jimmy Bartel, Shannon Hurn, Luke Hodge, Brendon Goddard, Steele Sidebottom, Brad Ebert, Jordan Lewis, Bernie Vince, Nathan Hrovat, Blake Acres, Nick Riewoldt, Matthew Pavlich, Chris Yarran, Tim Membrey, Ivan Maric, Aaron Sandilands
UNTOUCHABLE: (Not available for trade no way no how)
No one is "Untouchable", but I'd need a massive offer for BJ or Sidey to move.
DRAFT PICKS: (Draft picks available for trade)
Available at the right price.
TARGET PLAYERS
A Gun Mid and Fwd depth
Considering trading the follow (might not)
M. Barlow, S. Johnson, D. Swan, D. Cox (will take nearly anything), B. Harvey, R. Warnock, Burgoyne, SD Thompson, Boyd, Kornes, Cross, J. Kelly (premo defender 2015), B. Sewell, P. Chapman, J. Schulz, D. Hale, D. Petrie
Can also trade names not on the list, just cbf listing them all.
Am interested in picks and/or younger players. PM me/vinny/nrich
Cairo Sands
On the chopping block - delisting/retiring/sweetener
Harrison Marsh, Brett Goodes, James Polkinghorne, Malcolm Karpany
On the table - will trade for a fair deal
Richard Douglas, Clancee Pearce, Jed Bews, Seb Tape, Kyle Hartigan, Troy Chaplin, Michael Rischitelli, Karl Amon, Andrew Carrazzo, Orren Stephenson, Lewis Johnston, Sam Kerridge, Jordon Bourke, Cadeyn Williams, Dallas Willsmore, Charlie Cameron, Brad Hartman, Jamie Cripps
Could be persuaded - Offer something legit or you're wasting your time
Nick Malceski, Jeremy Laidler, Justin Clarke, Eric Mackenzie, Alex Woodward, Mark Hutchings, Sam Dwyer, Luke Dunstan, Nathan Gordon, Sam Rowe, Jon Giles, Tory Dickson, Chris Knights, Jarman Impey, Jeremy McGovern
Going nowhere - Don't ask, plain and simple
Pearce Hanley, Brodie Smith, Dayne Beams, Dion Prestia, Shane Mumford, Luke Breust, Paul Puopolo, Ryan Crowley
PM myself and/or ML and we'll happily have a good trade chat.
Wow, Puopolo?
I didn't want him before, but I must have him now!
Berlin Brewers
ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK - Delisting/Retiring
# Nathan Brown, # Alexis Georgiou, Mitch Clark :'(, Jake King, Mitchell Wilkins, Dylan Main, Jordan Lockyer
ON THE TABLE - will trade for a fair deal
Dayne Zorko, Daniel Jackson, Daniel Wells, Ricky Petterd, Josh Saunders, Jarryn Geary, Colin Garland, Jason Tutt, Mitch Honeychurch, Jeff Garlett, Nathan Wilson, Jackson Paine, Matthew McDonough, Dylan Grimes, Luke Thompson, Kurt Aylett, Jacob Brennan, Clay Cameron, Jonathan Marsh, Rory Atkins, # Darren Minchington, # Patrick Wearden
COULD BE PERSUADED - will cost you
Paul Duffield, Jack Grimes, Brad Crouch, Jack Viney, Reece Conca, Jack Trengove, Josh J Kennedy, Lewis Jetta, Lachie Hunter
GOING NOWHERE - see elephants for the amount of therapy he needed for approaching one of these guys
Michael Hibberd, Jack Steven, Nathan Foife.
Also, all of my ruckman - Mark Jamar, Max Gawn, Jake Spencer, Jack Fitzpatrick
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 12, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
Wow, Puopolo?
I didn't want him before, but I must have him now!
Trying to keep some partners in crime together. :P
Tokyo's first pick #7 i think is pretty much out the door for one of the oldest and best ruckmen in the comp unless we get a better offer
Sam Mitchell and Judd package is for sale
other then that i don't think we will trade much
ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK: (Likely to delist or throw in to sweeten a deal)
Williams (retiring), Marty Clarke, Barrass, Allen, Menegola, Gault, Mooney, Steinberg*, Osborne*
ON THE TABLE: (Looking to trade this player for a fair deal)
Monfries, Colquhoun, Pearce, Wilson, Fuller, Hombsch, Burbury, Wallace*, Rayner*
MIDDLE: Not looking to trade, but not completely against a trade
Jenkins, Frawley, Griffen, Simpkin, Tom Lee, Josh Thomas, Vickery, Fletcher, Ellard, Ceglar
COULD BE PERSUADED: (Would need a ripper deal to let these players go)
Seedsman, Dusty, Docherty, Dunn, Vlastuin, Sheed, Zac Clarke, May, Shaw
UNTOUCHABLE: (Not available for trade no way no how)
Heppell, Hogan, O'Meara, Ward, Naitanui, Sinclair*
*Already being traded
DRAFT PICKS: (Draft picks available for trade)
All.
TARGET PLAYERS
Forwards mostly
Quote from: Nails on August 12, 2014, 12:19:52 PM
Considering trading the follow (might not)
M. Barlow, S. Johnson, D. Swan, D. Cox (will take nearly anything), B. Harvey, R. Warnock, Burgoyne, SD Thompson, Boyd, Kornes, Cross, J. Kelly (premo defender 2015), B. Sewell, P. Chapman, J. Schulz, D. Hale, D. Petrie
Can also trade names not on the list, just cbf listing them all.
Am interested in picks and/or younger players. PM me/vinny/nrich
Glad we are doing this and we got these players on the table, good stuff Nails.
If you have a high pick or a younger player, we can give you one that's established however slightly older.
Out of that list, Barlow is easily the most expensive correct Nails?
Quote from: Vinny on August 12, 2014, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 12, 2014, 12:19:52 PM
Considering trading the follow (might not)
M. Barlow, S. Johnson, D. Swan, D. Cox (will take nearly anything), B. Harvey, R. Warnock, Burgoyne, SD Thompson, Boyd, Kornes, Cross, J. Kelly (premo defender 2015), B. Sewell, P. Chapman, J. Schulz, D. Hale, D. Petrie
Can also trade names not on the list, just cbf listing them all.
Am interested in picks and/or younger players. PM me/vinny/nrich
Glad we are doing this and we got these players on the table, good stuff Nails.
If you have a high pick or a younger player, we can give you one that's established however slightly older.
Out of that list, Barlow is easily the most expensive correct Nails?
Love how you guys are trading (or might not) Cox. :P
tried to sell Cox to us for our second rounder lol
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 12, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
tried to sell Cox to us for our second rounder lol
LOLOLOLOL
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 12, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
tried to sell Cox to us for our second rounder lol
Now he wants to keep him in case he comes out of retirement.
Looking to trade: Jack Martin, Matt Scharenberg, Tom Bugg, Cam Wood, Cam McCarthy, Claye Beams, Luke Brown, Jack Frost, Kyle Hardingham, Joel Tippett, Jack Hutchins, Jake Collarjazzknee, Brad Sheppard, Harry Cunningham, Sam Blease, Isaac Conway, Alex Spina, Adam Oxley, Lindsay Thomas, Terry Milera, Michael Wood
Could be persuaded: Tom Mitchell, Mitch Grigg, Jeremy Howe, Jamie Elliot, Michael Hurley, Billy Longer, Lee Spurr, Curtly Hampton, Rhys Stanley, Tim Mohr, Jason Johanissen, Sam Gibson, Adam Tomlinson, Sam Day, Dean Terlich, Phil Davis, Andy Otten, Jarryd Blair, Ben Howlett, Matt de Boer
Untouchables: Jack Redden, Matt Leuenberger, Jarrod Witts, Marcus Bontempelli
All draft picks are available for trade including #2 and #3 in the NAT draft.
We're after a gun mid, and defenders.
Quote from: NigeyS on August 12, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 12, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
tried to sell Cox to us for our second rounder lol
Now he wants to keep him in case he comes out of retirement.
Haha, absolutely zero chance
New York Revolution
These players are Untouchable: Tom Liberatore, Jackson Macrae, Adam Treloar, Travis Cloke, Scott Lycett, Kade Kolodjashnij, Luke McDonald, Josh Gibson, *Harley Bennell, *Aaron Black, ( *Allan Christensen)
Could be persuaded: Mathew Stokes, Mike Pyke, Trent McKenzie
On the Table:: N.Kommer, A.Siposs, S.McKernan, D.Menzel, H.Crozier, T.Elton, B.Colledge, M.Apeness, T.Nicholls, C.Moller, P.Mitchell, D.Armitage, K.Stevens, M.Arnot, W.Hoskin-Elliott, P.McGinity, J.Anderson, A.Morabito, A.Young, D.Lang, A.Greenwood, C.Dempsey, S.Fisher, S.Atley, W.Schofield, B.Sinclair, Mitch W Brown, B.Griffiths, S.Russell, R.Powell.
All Draft picks are on the table
We need forwards- all reasonable offers considered. PM me or RaisyDaisy
* Bennell, Black already traded (Christensen not on table at the moment, talks ongoing)
London Royals
Following the lead:
ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK: (Likely to delist or throw in to sweeten a deal)
Brown (retired), Winderlich (retired) Hudson, Cachia, Gilham, Quinten Lynch, Josh Hill, Reilly, Matthew Warnock, Tom Young.
ON THE TABLE: (Looking to trade this player for a fair deal)
Mitch Brown, Brand, Dalgleish, Darrou, Gorringe, Gregory, Laird, Tom Lonergan, Moore, Staker, Tuohy, Sam Wright, Stanton, Lumumba, Mackie
COULD BE PERSUADED: (Would need a ripper deal to let these players go)
Bellchambers, Broadbent, Edwards, Gardiner, Hartung, Lennon, Luxford, MacKay, Matera. , Mayne, McStay, Troy Menzell, Dannyle Pearce, Archie Smith, Thurlow, Towers,
UNTOUCHABLE: (Not available for trade no way no how)
Daniher* , Hannebery, McVeigh, Rampe,
* Daniher already committed to a trade.
DRAFT PICKS: (Draft picks available for trade)
All.
TARGET PLAYERS
Ruck, Forwards and mids.
Happy to package as well. Please feel free to PM with any offers.
Daniher already committed to a trade. :o
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 12, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
GOING NOWHERE - see elephants for the amount of therapy he needed for approaching one of these guys
The response is quite brilliant :P
How can people already have trades organised? :o
The season hasn't even finished yet!!
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 12, 2014, 10:36:01 PM
How can people already have trades organised? :o
The season hasn't even finished yet!!
Pfft, speak for yaself m8 ;)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 12, 2014, 08:17:32 PM
Daniher already committed to a trade. :o
Have a look around for other players already being traded :3
Quote from: Jukes on August 12, 2014, 11:06:51 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 12, 2014, 08:17:32 PM
Daniher already committed to a trade. :o
Have a look around for other players already being traded :3
Daniher for Sinclair, you're getting ripped off Jukes :P
At Toronto I don't know if I'm going to post one of those lists as I often feel they devalue players, people see for example "Oh cool Gary Ablett is in the 'tradeable' category, HB clearly wants to get rid of him, I'll offer him David Rodan because he wants to trade Ablett and he'll be easy to acquire"
However, have a lot of 60-80ppg players I want to trade, preferably in a package deal for 1 good player. Could be the perfect trade situation for one of the bottom sides, picks up 2-3 starters to replace one.
Quote from: elephants on August 12, 2014, 10:45:15 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 12, 2014, 10:36:01 PM
How can people already have trades organised? :o
The season hasn't even finished yet!!
Pfft, speak for yaself m8 ;)
Similar thing happened last year I waited till season finished and when started making enquiries found quite a few had been agreed prior to season end so decided I would not left behind this year so started preliminary negotiations. Besides what else is there to do if you are not involved in finals.
Quote from: roo boys! on August 12, 2014, 11:32:11 PM
At Toronto I don't know if I'm going to post one of those lists as I often feel they devalue players, people see for example "Oh cool Gary Ablett is in the 'tradeable' category, HB clearly wants to get rid of him, I'll offer him David Rodan because he wants to trade Ablett and he'll be easy to acquire"
However, have a lot of 60-80ppg players I want to trade, preferably in a package deal for 1 good player. Could be the perfect trade situation for one of the bottom sides, picks up 2-3 starters to replace one.
same thing as PNL ;)
If there's anyone you like the look of from Beijing enquire within then guys... Definitely looking to improve our depth this year 8)
Quote from: Ringo on August 13, 2014, 07:48:15 AM
Quote from: elephants on August 12, 2014, 10:45:15 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 12, 2014, 10:36:01 PM
How can people already have trades organised? :o
The season hasn't even finished yet!!
Pfft, speak for yaself m8 ;)
Similar thing happened last year I waited till season finished and when started making enquiries found quite a few had been agreed prior to season end so decided I would not left behind this year so started preliminary negotiations. Besides what else is there to do if you are not involved in finals.
Yeah but what if they players you are trading I was willing to give more for? You're basically not letting yourself get the best deal possible by already agreeing to trades rather than waiting to hear all offers.
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 13, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
Yeah but what if they players you are trading I was willing to give more for? You're basically not letting yourself get the best deal possible by already agreeing to trades rather than waiting to hear all offers.
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 13, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
Quote from: Ringo on August 13, 2014, 07:48:15 AM
Quote from: elephants on August 12, 2014, 10:45:15 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 12, 2014, 10:36:01 PM
How can people already have trades organised? :o
The season hasn't even finished yet!!
Pfft, speak for yaself m8 ;)
Similar thing happened last year I waited till season finished and when started making enquiries found quite a few had been agreed prior to season end so decided I would not left behind this year so started preliminary negotiations. Besides what else is there to do if you are not involved in finals.
Yeah but what if they players you are trading I was willing to give more for? You're basically not letting yourself get the best deal possible by already agreeing to trades rather than waiting to hear all offers.
agreed
Posts so this comes up in my feed :)
Just because you're still in finals contention doesn't mean you can't talk trades with anyone :P
I'm already deep in trades talk, but I'm open up to letting people beat it if they can :-X
Right now you'd have to submit a pretty damn good offer to beat the talks we've nearly finished involving trading Barlow.
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:18:25 PM
I'm already deep in trades talk, but I'm open up to letting people beat it if they can :-X
Right now you'd have to submit a pretty damn good offer to beat the talks we've nearly finished involving trading Barlow.
The whole NDT team
Quote from: Ricochet on August 13, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:18:25 PM
I'm already deep in trades talk, but I'm open up to letting people beat it if they can :-X
Right now you'd have to submit a pretty damn good offer to beat the talks we've nearly finished involving trading Barlow.
The whole NDT team
That's still unders... The whole NDT team + my co-coach Ricochet :p
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on August 13, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:18:25 PM
I'm already deep in trades talk, but I'm open up to letting people beat it if they can :-X
Right now you'd have to submit a pretty damn good offer to beat the talks we've nearly finished involving trading Barlow.
The whole NDT team
That's still unders... The whole NDT team + my co-coach Ricochet :p
Probably can't do it, losing Barlow and only gaining NDT + Rico would likely leave us under the minimum salary cap.
:'(
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on August 13, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:18:25 PM
I'm already deep in trades talk, but I'm open up to letting people beat it if they can :-X
Right now you'd have to submit a pretty damn good offer to beat the talks we've nearly finished involving trading Barlow.
The whole NDT team
That's still unders... The whole NDT team + my co-coach Ricochet :p
Probably can't do it, losing Barlow and only gaining NDT + Rico would likely leave us under the minimum salary cap.
You sure? Rico is one 42-mill a season, takes up most of our cap :P
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 01:00:49 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on August 13, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:18:25 PM
I'm already deep in trades talk, but I'm open up to letting people beat it if they can :-X
Right now you'd have to submit a pretty damn good offer to beat the talks we've nearly finished involving trading Barlow.
The whole NDT team
That's still unders... The whole NDT team + my co-coach Ricochet :p
Probably can't do it, losing Barlow and only gaining NDT + Rico would likely leave us under the minimum salary cap.
You sure? Rico is one 42-mill a season, takes up most of our cap :P
and underpaid too
Quote from: Ricochet on August 13, 2014, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 01:00:49 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on August 13, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 13, 2014, 12:18:25 PM
I'm already deep in trades talk, but I'm open up to letting people beat it if they can :-X
Right now you'd have to submit a pretty damn good offer to beat the talks we've nearly finished involving trading Barlow.
The whole NDT team
That's still unders... The whole NDT team + my co-coach Ricochet :p
Probably can't do it, losing Barlow and only gaining NDT + Rico would likely leave us under the minimum salary cap.
You sure? Rico is one 42-mill a season, takes up most of our cap :P
and underpaid too
Haha, this salary cap ain't big enough for the two of us ;)
Quote from: NigeyS on August 12, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 12, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
tried to sell Cox to us for our second rounder lol
Now he wants to keep him in case he comes out of retirement.
You never know :P
He could, saw this today
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-buzz-dean-cox-might-have-more-to-give-and-collingwood-could-provide-an-opportunity/story-fni5f08l-1227022335705?nk=e8b8ed3879b42b51be831968e900b19c
Quote from: JROO8 on August 13, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on August 12, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 12, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
tried to sell Cox to us for our second rounder lol
Now he wants to keep him in case he comes out of retirement.
You never know :P
He could, saw this today
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-buzz-dean-cox-might-have-more-to-give-and-collingwood-could-provide-an-opportunity/story-fni5f08l-1227022335705?nk=e8b8ed3879b42b51be831968e900b19c
Hah, flower riiiiiiight off :P
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 12:02:28 PM
Just because you're still in finals contention doesn't mean you can't talk trades with anyone :P
I have more pressing issues on my mind :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 13, 2014, 02:09:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 13, 2014, 12:02:28 PM
Just because you're still in finals contention doesn't mean you can't talk trades with anyone :P
I have more pressing issues on my mind :P
:o
If anyone wants to come talk trades with the Cape Town Premiership Contenders then let me know.
I'm not sure if My Chumps is on all the time but I usually check FF at least once a day.
We're interested in picking up another gun or two and have some good depth/younger players to offer and are also interested in draft picks and young guns.
It would have to be a pretty damn good offer if you want to prize one of our guns away from us though. There has been interest in JPK and Cotchin already.
Pick 4 anyone?
Pick 1 anyone?
Pick 21 anyone?
We're really looking for good starting forward guys and Nick Malceski will move for it if need be. :)
Quote from: Master Q on August 13, 2014, 07:13:15 PM
Pick 21 anyone?
I've talked to Toga about this one, I'm sure he'll tell you about it. ;)
Yes please lads (to all of the above).
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 13, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
Yes please lads (to all of the above).
Turning Cape Town into the Dolphins/Steins are we? :P
Quote from: Master Q on August 13, 2014, 07:13:15 PM
Pick 21 anyone?
you have pick 22 btw. 2nd pick of each round
Quote from: NigeyS on August 13, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on August 13, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
Yes please lads (to all of the above).
Turning Cape Town into the Dolphins/Steins are we? :P
Chumpy already started that process a while back.
I'm not saying we'll be throwing away our good players, more than we are quite interested in high picks if anyone has got any to trade.
my new strategy on trying to get Boomz to let me trade
(http://i57.tinypic.com/kezy3c.jpg)
Seoul Magpies
Untouchable: Dangerfield, Conigilio, Kelly, Swallow
Touchable Everyone else
if you have a decent best xv player your willing to give and get a top 5 pick send me a pm especially if it's a ruck
it's a 3 way trade before anyone says Tokyo only has pick 7
Quote from: elephants on August 12, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 12, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
GOING NOWHERE - see elephants for the amount of therapy he needed for approaching one of these guys
The response is quite brilliant :P
Quote from: NigeyS on August 14, 2014, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: elephants on August 12, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 12, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
GOING NOWHERE - see elephants for the amount of therapy he needed for approaching one of these guys
The response is quite brilliant :P
hmmm tempted to pm about Fyfe now
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
Nails might take him for Cox
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 14, 2014, 11:50:13 AM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
Nails might take him for Cox
Nah, I'd be getting ripped off. LRT has played a lot more games for Sydney than Cox has.
Hoping for a top 4 pick!
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
We have pick 4 but that's probably not enough. Would you consider pick 4 and Libba?
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
Bit hard now he has retired
Quote from: Ringo on August 14, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
Bit hard now he has retired
(https://warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0076/50/1404334289652.jpg)
Quote from: ossie85 on July 07, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
How's this for a Trade idea?
"Blind Date Trading"
You submit a player in the pool (anonymously by PM to me), and request:
- A position
- Age range
- Average
And see if you get any matches, and if you do the trade goes through to vote automatically.
For example:
PNL Reindeers deposit Jonathan Patton into the pool (again nobody knows they have) and say they want:
- A defender, averaging 85, 25 or under.
Might not work at all, but could be interesting.
I know the trade period isn't open yet, but wanna bring this up now to remind everyone. I'm a big fan of this and would love for it to be used.
Quote from: MajorLazer on August 14, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 07, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
How's this for a Trade idea?
"Blind Date Trading"
You submit a player in the pool (anonymously by PM to me), and request:
- A position
- Age range
- Average
And see if you get any matches, and if you do the trade goes through to vote automatically.
For example:
PNL Reindeers deposit Jonathan Patton into the pool (again nobody knows they have) and say they want:
- A defender, averaging 85, 25 or under.
Might not work at all, but could be interesting.
I know the trade period isn't open yet, but wanna bring this up now to remind everyone. I'm a big fan of this and would love for it to be used.
Based on some discussions so far, this might be the only way trades ever get done.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 14, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
We have pick 4 but that's probably not enough. Would you consider pick 4 and Libba?
PM me :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 14, 2014, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: Ringo on August 14, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
Bit hard now he has retired
(https://warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0076/50/1404334289652.jpg)
Ringooo :P
Quote from: NigeyS on August 14, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on August 14, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 07, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
How's this for a Trade idea?
"Blind Date Trading"
You submit a player in the pool (anonymously by PM to me), and request:
- A position
- Age range
- Average
And see if you get any matches, and if you do the trade goes through to vote automatically.
For example:
PNL Reindeers deposit Jonathan Patton into the pool (again nobody knows they have) and say they want:
- A defender, averaging 85, 25 or under.
Might not work at all, but could be interesting.
I know the trade period isn't open yet, but wanna bring this up now to remind everyone. I'm a big fan of this and would love for it to be used.
Based on some discussions so far, this might be the only way trades ever get done.
wonder who that implies too? :P
Quote from: DazBurg on August 14, 2014, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on August 14, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on August 14, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 07, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
How's this for a Trade idea?
"Blind Date Trading"
You submit a player in the pool (anonymously by PM to me), and request:
- A position
- Age range
- Average
And see if you get any matches, and if you do the trade goes through to vote automatically.
For example:
PNL Reindeers deposit Jonathan Patton into the pool (again nobody knows they have) and say they want:
- A defender, averaging 85, 25 or under.
Might not work at all, but could be interesting.
I know the trade period isn't open yet, but wanna bring this up now to remind everyone. I'm a big fan of this and would love for it to be used.
Based on some discussions so far, this might be the only way trades ever get done.
wonder who that implies too? :P
Not just you. ;)
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 14, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
We have pick 4 but that's probably not enough. Would you consider pick 4 and Libba?
PM me :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 14, 2014, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: Ringo on August 14, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
Bit hard now he has retired
(https://warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0076/50/1404334289652.jpg)
Ringooo :P
Getting very slow in my old age ;D
Quote from: MajorLazer on August 14, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 07, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
How's this for a Trade idea?
"Blind Date Trading"
You submit a player in the pool (anonymously by PM to me), and request:
- A position
- Age range
- Average
And see if you get any matches, and if you do the trade goes through to vote automatically.
For example:
PNL Reindeers deposit Jonathan Patton into the pool (again nobody knows they have) and say they want:
- A defender, averaging 85, 25 or under.
Might not work at all, but could be interesting.
I know the trade period isn't open yet, but wanna bring this up now to remind everyone. I'm a big fan of this and would love for it to be used.
so i imagine if say PNL submitted Pattonthen when we ask for that said range of defender ave and age etc
do the bidding teams get like the details like Forward 50 ave under 25 aswell?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 14, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 14, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
Lewis Roberts-Thomson is on the table, looking for a first round draft pick. :)
We have pick 4 but that's probably not enough. Would you consider pick 4 and Libba?
Think we have Pick 4 anyways mate ;)
No, nobody woukd get any information.
I'd give people a week to put players in pool and ask for preferences, and any that match go to vote
Quote from: ossie85 on August 14, 2014, 05:46:50 PM
No, nobody woukd get any information.
I'd give people a week to put players in pool and ask for preferences, and any that match go to vote
but it would still need to pass a vote?
so no really dirty tactics then good
Still a vote :)
Quote from: ossie85 on August 14, 2014, 06:03:17 PM
Still a vote :)
yeah good idea i think
otherwise could be major rip offs
Don't forget a games played option! Avoid people putting up players who played 1-2 games yet averaged over 80 :P.
ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK - possible Delisting/Retiring
Christian Howard, Aidan Corr, Xavier Richards (R), Angus Graham (R), Luke Reynolds, Trent Dennis-Lane
ON THE TABLE - will trade for a fair deal
Tyson Goldsack, Heath Grundy, Luke McPharlin, Matthew Watson, Andrew McInnes,
Luke Ball, David Myers, Farren Ray, Matt Thomas, Brad McKenzie, Mitch Hallahan, Clay Smith, Zachary O'Brien (R), Tom. T. Lynch, Chris Dawes, Ayce Cordy, Cameron Shenton (R)
COULD BE PERSUADED - But most likely you won't get :P
Kade Simpson, Matthew Jaensch, Corey Enright, Jarrod Harbrow
Jackson Trengove, Marley Williams, Elliott Kavanagh, Daniel Rich, Jack Billings (Fwd), Dylan Shiel, Jonathon Griffin, Chad Wingard (Mid), Justin Westhoff, Cyril Rioli, Jarrad Grant, Jonathan Patton, Levi Casboult, Liam Jones, Zach Merrett,
GOING NOWHERE - unless a absurdly fantastic deal
Matt Priddis, Nathan Jones, Matthew Lobbe,
* positions could change once i run this by HP*
No low-balling for the sake of trying to win big. PNL in the business to work a trade that makes both sides happy and is fair, so if you come in with a bad offer, or promise deals and keep changing it over and over and then not deal at all, you'll be on our black list *Glares at Holz.
Updated
New York Revolution
These players are Untouchable: Tom Liberatore, Jackson Macrae, Adam Treloar, Travis Cloke, Scott Lycett, Kade Kolodjashnij, Luke McDonald, Josh Gibson, *Harley Bennell, *Aaron Black,*Allan Christensen, *Will Hoskin-Elliott
Could be persuaded: Mathew Stokes, Mike Pyke, Trent McKenzie
On the Table:: N.Kommer, A.Siposs, S.McKernan, D.Menzel, H.Crozier, T.Elton, B.Colledge, M.Apeness, T.Nicholls, C.Moller, P.Mitchell, D.Armitage, K.Stevens, M.Arnot, P.McGinity, J.Anderson, A.Morabito, A.Young, D.Lang, A.Greenwood, C.Dempsey, S.Fisher, S.Atley, W.Schofield, B.Sinclair, Mitch W Brown, B.Griffiths, S.Russell, R.Powell.
All Draft picks are on the table
We need forwards- all reasonable offers considered. PM me or RaisyDaisy
* Bennell, Black, Hoskin-Elliott and Christensen committed to deals.
Quote from: Hellopplz on August 16, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
No low-balling for the sake of trying to win big. PNL in the business to work a trade that makes both sides happy and is fair, so if you come in with a bad offer, or promise deals and keep changing it over and over and then not deal at all, you'll be on our black list *Glares at Holz.
Don't think I've ever offered you an unfair deal! Sadly you've never accepted any either...
Reply to our PMs then AK >:( :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 16, 2014, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on August 16, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
No low-balling for the sake of trying to win big. PNL in the business to work a trade that makes both sides happy and is fair, so if you come in with a bad offer, or promise deals and keep changing it over and over and then not deal at all, you'll be on our black list *Glares at Holz.
Don't think I've ever offered you an unfair deal! Sadly you've never accepted any either...
actually i've always said you have brilliant offers
it just so happens being the reigning premiers the players level they need to be to slot in your side is like the marquee player of most of us other teams...lol ;)
Quote from: elephants on August 16, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 16, 2014, 04:09:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on August 16, 2014, 04:07:32 PM
Reply to our PMs then AK >:( :P
You can PM me too :)
I was gonna hit you up after the Eagles game :P
I have been replying to all PM's. Dunno what you are on about :P
Quote from: DazBurg on August 16, 2014, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 16, 2014, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on August 16, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
No low-balling for the sake of trying to win big. PNL in the business to work a trade that makes both sides happy and is fair, so if you come in with a bad offer, or promise deals and keep changing it over and over and then not deal at all, you'll be on our black list *Glares at Holz.
Don't think I've ever offered you an unfair deal! Sadly you've never accepted any either...
actually i've always said you have brilliant offers
it just so happens being the reigning premiers the players level they need to be to slot in your side is like the marquee player of most of us other teams...lol ;)
Haha yeah I know. It's a burden really having such a good side :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 16, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on August 16, 2014, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 16, 2014, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on August 16, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
No low-balling for the sake of trying to win big. PNL in the business to work a trade that makes both sides happy and is fair, so if you come in with a bad offer, or promise deals and keep changing it over and over and then not deal at all, you'll be on our black list *Glares at Holz.
Don't think I've ever offered you an unfair deal! Sadly you've never accepted any either...
actually i've always said you have brilliant offers
it just so happens being the reigning premiers the players level they need to be to slot in your side is like the marquee player of most of us other teams...lol ;)
Haha yeah I know. It's a burden really having such a good side :P
i do feel sorry for you and feel your pain :P
Reckon Jonathan Patton's trade value just went down
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2014, 04:16:36 PM
Reckon Jonathan Patton's trade value just went down
Has gone back down to the rooms, but was walking around so could be ok
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2014, 04:16:36 PM
Reckon Jonathan Patton's trade value just went down
I'll start the bidding at Zac Dawson :P
Patton's value down, whilst Armstrong's value sky rockets. Who else can play 2 games in one day? :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 17, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
Patton's value down, whilst Armstrong's value sky rockets. Who else can play 2 games in one day? :P
I read that he did a lazy 14km in the magoos, and then went on to actually be one of the Pies better players last night
Surely he woke up with borderline rigor mortis today!
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 17, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
Patton's value down, whilst Armstrong's value sky rockets. Who else can play 2 games in one day? :P
Dreaming
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 17, 2014, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on August 17, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
Patton's value down, whilst Armstrong's value sky rockets. Who else can play 2 games in one day? :P
I read that he did a lazy 14km in the magoos, and then went on to actually be one of the Pies better players last night
Surely he woke up with borderline rigor mortis today!
Yeah ridiculous! Would love to know how far he ran last night against the Lions. Probably covered close to 25km for the day!
Wowee, +20 respect points for Armstrong. I don't think I've run 25kms in my life.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2014, 04:16:36 PM
Reckon Jonathan Patton's trade value just went down
don't think it was that high to begin with
hence on the not tradeable list because ppl think they can get for nothing when we payed alot for him so worth preserving
Looks like Barlow is getting shipped off.
The rebuild begins.
PM Nails and I if you want: Steve Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Dane Swan, James Kelly, Shuan Burgoyne, Matthew Boyd, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
High picks or promising players wanted. Open to package offers too.
Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2014, 11:20:24 AM
The rebuild begins.
PM Nails and I if you want: Steve Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Dane Swan, James Kelly, Shuan Burgoyne, Matthew Boyd, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
High picks or promising players wanted. Open to package offers too.
You may PM me as well :-[ :'(
Quote from: nrich102 on August 23, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2014, 11:20:24 AM
The rebuild begins.
PM Nails and I if you want: Steve Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Dane Swan, James Kelly, Shuan Burgoyne, Matthew Boyd, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
High picks or promising players wanted. Open to package offers too.
You may PM me as well :-[ :'(
I pm'd you AND vinny a while ago but you never responded :o
Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2014, 11:20:24 AM
The rebuild begins.
PM Nails and I if you want: Steve Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Dane Swan, James Kelly, Shuan Burgoyne, Matthew Boyd, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
High picks or promising players wanted. Open to package offers too.
You boys need zimmer frames for that lot :P
Quote from: elephants on August 23, 2014, 11:31:06 AM
Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2014, 11:20:24 AM
The rebuild begins.
PM Nails and I if you want: Steve Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Dane Swan, James Kelly, Shuan Burgoyne, Matthew Boyd, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
High picks or promising players wanted. Open to package offers too.
You boys need zimmer frames for that lot :P
Boomer's probably the most mobile of the lot. :P
Quote from: Nails on August 23, 2014, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on August 23, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2014, 11:20:24 AM
The rebuild begins.
PM Nails and I if you want: Steve Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Dane Swan, James Kelly, Shuan Burgoyne, Matthew Boyd, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
High picks or promising players wanted. Open to package offers too.
You may PM me as well :-[ :'(
I pm'd you AND vinny a while ago but you never responded :o
don't you hate that Nails!!
Surely trading Barlow, your youngest star, is a little crazy :/
I believe the deal will really help us with our rebuild and boost the other team massively too.
Os, is there a date when the trade period actually begins yet?
Quote from: ossie85 on August 23, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: Nails on August 23, 2014, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on August 23, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2014, 11:20:24 AM
The rebuild begins.
PM Nails and I if you want: Steve Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Dane Swan, James Kelly, Shuan Burgoyne, Matthew Boyd, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
High picks or promising players wanted. Open to package offers too.
You may PM me as well :-[ :'(
I pm'd you AND vinny a while ago but you never responded :o
don't you hate that Nails!!
Surely trading Barlow, your youngest star, is a little crazy :/
yeah probably - but I'm thinking like i trade him now maybe we lose one to retirement... but if barlow gets injured next year then he be worth nada. IDK
I should probably trade old guys first but Barlow is worth the most so we can get more out of him for a rebuild immediately.
Guys, Picks 1 and 4 are still on the table if anyone is looking for some top-end young talent! ;)
Quote from: Vinny on August 23, 2014, 11:44:46 AM
Os, is there a date when the trade period actually begins yet?
Monday after GF
Tom Mitchell is getting plenty of interest, so get your offers in if you're interested. Going to have to be a ripper deal to move him on though.
Looking for a premium ruck & a few defenders. All picks also available.
Unlikely/Will take a lot: Kieran Jack, Luke Parker, Luke Shuey, Scott Selwood, Luke Dahlhaus, Steven Motlop, Anthony Miles, Kurt Tippett, Matt Suckling, Trent West, Jake Carlisle
On the table: Sam Mitchell, Chris Judd, Josh Simpson, Sam Lloyd, Nick Suban, Brodie Murdoch, Jackson Sheringham, Andrew Phillips, Jacob Townsend, Nick O'Brien, Ashley Smith, Alex Browne, Adam Kennedy, Tayte Pears, Tim Golds, Tom Campbell, Mitchell Clisby, Dylan Van Unen, Will Hams, Daniel Flynn (Rookie), Lloyd Perris, Ted Richards, Jared Rivers
Available for the right deal: Greg Broughton, Garrick Ibbotson, Dawson Simpson, Ricky Henderson, Alex Fasolo, Jackson Merrett, Jesse Lonergan, Sebastian Ross, Patrick Ambrose (Rookie), Tom Derickx (Rookie), Martin Gleeson (Rookie)
After a lot of interest an agreement has been reached to move McKenzie on from NY and therefore off the table.
Does trade period open at midnight tonight?
Ah crap, trade window about to open!
Don't even have a definitive trade set lol
... maybe it's me? :P
Don't worry, PNL don't have one either because we're PNL :P.
I actually forgot the date haha. :P
:o tomiiight!? How exciting!
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 31, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
Ah crap, trade window about to open!
Don't even have a definitive trade set lol
... maybe it's me? :P
Least we have one done in BXV unless you forgot lol
We can finally talk about all the trades that we have been organising behind closed doors :D
AK and I are turning the NY Revolution from spuds into a solid team!
On the up in 2015! (Although not hard to go up when so low to start with lol)
Quote from: elephants on August 31, 2014, 02:37:21 PM
:o tomiiight!? How exciting!
Not tomight ele... but tonight! ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 31, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
We can finally talk about all the trades that we have been organising behind closed doors :D
AK and I are turning the NY Revolution from spuds into a solid team!
On the up in 2015! (Although not hard to go up when so low to start with lol)
McKenzie is a spud? :o
Quote from: Jayman on August 31, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 31, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
We can finally talk about all the trades that we have been organising behind closed doors :D
AK and I are turning the NY Revolution from spuds into a solid team!
On the up in 2015! (Although not hard to go up when so low to start with lol)
McKenzie is a spud? :o
Our list as a whole isn't balanced, we have been working on correcting the balance.
Spuds a bit harsh RD ;)
Relax lads, the spuds reference was about the Team, not specific players
Finishing near the bottom of the ladder = spuds ;)
So, are there ANY teams that have good forwards they are willing to trade?
I guess we can post at midnight EST, i.e. 10 over here?
Can't wait to trade out the biggest spud on our roster :3
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 31, 2014, 08:58:00 PM
So, are there ANY teams that have good forwards they are willing to trade?
Draft one :P ;)
Quote from: Jukes on August 31, 2014, 09:35:55 PM
I guess we can post at midnight EST, i.e. 10 over here?
Can't wait to trade out the biggest spud on our roster :3
How dare you say that about Cal!
Quote from: ///////////////////////// on August 31, 2014, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 31, 2014, 09:35:55 PM
I guess we can post at midnight EST, i.e. 10 over here?
Can't wait to trade out the biggest spud on our roster :3
Torp?
AW SNAP
Quote from: ///////////////////////// on August 31, 2014, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: Jukes on August 31, 2014, 09:35:55 PM
I guess we can post at midnight EST, i.e. 10 over here?
Can't wait to trade out the biggest spud on our roster :3
Torp?
That's the best you can come up with? You've lost your touch Meow. :P
Guys/Gal/Torp, get in now if you want a beastly back in your team! He may be leaving very shortly :o. Anybody want a go at Heath Grundy? :P
Trigger happy trade time.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 01, 2014, 12:25:34 AM
hope jbs does not mind me putting this up lol
New York give Trent (Cannon) Mckenzie + Jed Anderson
Seoul Magpies give Nat Pick 10 + Eli Templeton
(thanks for the idea jay)
Anytime mate 8)
AK doing more trades than on his cities stock market, wowee
As holz usually does hes backed out of our trade so Brandon Ellis is back on the table!
Holzman trading out Premiership players while they are still drinking!
New York very active
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
Really?
First, you go on sell Eski even though we AGREED on a deal.
Secondly, you could've told me you were accepting this.
Poor form.
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
But Daniher will get ruck dpp?
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
Talking trades today lads. Have been getting offers for all our boys, including young guns Duncan, Greene, etc
Hit me up if keen!
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
Really?
First, you go on sell Eski even though we AGREED on a deal.
Secondly, you could've told me you were accepting this.
Poor form.
I explained it to you over the course of like three PMs... don't get pissy about it now.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
Really?
First, you go on sell Eski even though we AGREED on a deal.
Secondly, you could've told me you were accepting this.
Poor form.
I explained it to you over the course of like three PMs... don't get pissy about it now.
Yes you told me about their offer, but you only said you prefer their's, I didn't know you were going to jump and accept it.
I reckon I've got every right to be pissy, we agreed on a deal then you've gone and traded him because you've got a better deal (I don't think so).
we had a deal locked in for Tom Mitchell but you backed out since he had a good game stuff like this happens get over it and move on
That was Jayman not Jroo ;)
facepalm
but point still stands
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 01, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
we had a deal locked in for Tom Mitchell but you backed out since he had a good game stuff like this happens get over it and move on
I don't have TMitch, so you're obviously talking about Jay.
Did you guys both agree on a deal, though?
I wouldn't have had any problem with it, if we didn't agree on the deal already, but to sell Eski when he's already sold isn't great IMO.
Can we use the Trade discussion thread for the convo's and just post confirmed deals in this thread please :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2014, 11:37:40 AM
Can we use the Trade discussion thread for the convo's and just post confirmed deals in this thread please :)
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 01, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
we had a deal locked in for Tom Mitchell but you backed out since he had a good game stuff like this happens get over it and move on
I didn't trade him to someone else, just decided to keep him. Pretty different situation ???
not to us, the end of the day we didn't get him probably would be less annoying if you found a better deal
anyway i was just saying stuff like this happens just need to get over it and move on
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
+1 to this. Can't believe how many deals AK and RD have done, they've gone crazy :P
The guys below are all on the trade table, so PM if interested.
Mark Baguley
Scott Thompson
Bernie Vince
Stewart Crameri
Aaron Sandilands
Brad Ebert could also be moved on.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Can't believe how many deals AK and RD have done, they've gone crazy :P
We are trying to Revolutionalise New York. See what I did there :P
Yeah we have been doing hard, but the team is shaping up nicely - balancing out more which was much needed
Pretty sure we have at least 1 or 2 more deals that AK just hasnt posted here yet :o
So yeah. Zorko is
and Crouch are my juiciest option available,
but will be hard to get Crouch off me in particular.Just to bump.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 12, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
Berlin Brewers
ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK - Delisting/Retiring
# Nathan Brown, # Alexis Georgiou, Mitch Clark :'(, Jake King, Mitchell Wilkins, Dylan Main, Jordan Lockyer
ON THE TABLE - will trade for a fair deal
Dayne Zorko, Daniel Jackson, Daniel Wells, Ricky Petterd, Josh Saunders, Jarryn Geary, Colin Garland, Jason Tutt, Mitch Honeychurch, Jeff Garlett, Nathan Wilson, Jackson Paine, Matthew McDonough, Dylan Grimes, Luke Thompson, Kurt Aylett, Jacob Brennan, Clay Cameron, Jonathan Marsh, Rory Atkins, # Darren Minchington, # Patrick Wearden
COULD BE PERSUADED - will cost you
Paul Duffield, Jack Grimes, Jack Viney, Reece Conca, Jack Trengove, Josh J Kennedy, Lewis Jetta, Lachie Hunter
GOING NOWHERE - see elephants for the amount of therapy he needed for approaching one of these guys
Michael Hibberd, Jack Steven, Nathan Foife, Brad Crouch
Also, all of my ruckman - Mark Jamar, Max Gawn, Jake Spencer, Jack Fitzpatrick
Still have at least one deal done to put up. Need to finalise some details.
We are looking for one cover.mid and one cover defender to finish off our trades for now.
have picks to offer.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
Really?
First, you go on sell Eski even though we AGREED on a deal.
Secondly, you could've told me you were accepting this.
Poor form.
I explained it to you over the course of like three PMs... don't get pissy about it now.
Yes you told me about their offer, but you only said you prefer their's, I didn't know you were going to jump and accept it.
I reckon I've got every right to be pissy, we agreed on a deal then you've gone and traded him because you've got a better deal (I don't think so).
In Nigey's defence we had agreed to a trade with Eski a while ago (1-2 weeks back), then another deal went sour, Nige blamed Daz and this deal was off. When we figured we were trading Jaensch, thought we'd have another go at Eski and try to rebuild the bridge (Daz strikes again but wasn't really his fault as a misunderstanding).
On a side thing, people are quick to jump to trading, I'm the same with the Grundy one because doubt many would want him despite his age but he's actually a pretty solid D4 (75 average, 8 scores over 80, consistently plays games). But there is like no rush to jump to trading, it'll be pretty bare in a month or two long before the draft :P.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 01, 2014, 06:50:58 AM
As holz usually does hes backed out of our trade so Brandon Ellis is back on the table!
I never back out of deals, I don't always do deals from trade discussions. Never once backed out of a deal I locked In.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 01, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
Really?
First, you go on sell Eski even though we AGREED on a deal.
Secondly, you could've told me you were accepting this.
Poor form.
I explained it to you over the course of like three PMs... don't get pissy about it now.
Yes you told me about their offer, but you only said you prefer their's, I didn't know you were going to jump and accept it.
I reckon I've got every right to be pissy, we agreed on a deal then you've gone and traded him because you've got a better deal (I don't think so).
In Nigey's defence we had agreed to a trade with Eski a while ago (1-2 weeks back), then another deal went sour, Nige blamed Daz and this deal was off. When we figured we were trading Jaensch, thought we'd have another go at Eski and try to rebuild the bridge (Daz strikes again but wasn't really his fault as a misunderstanding).
On a side thing, people are quick to jump to trading, I'm the same with the Grundy one because doubt many would want him despite his age but he's actually a pretty solid D4 (75 average, 8 scores over 80, consistently plays games). But there is like no rush to jump to trading, it'll be pretty bare in a month or two long before the draft :P.
Thank you.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 01, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
Really?
First, you go on sell Eski even though we AGREED on a deal.
Secondly, you could've told me you were accepting this.
Poor form.
I explained it to you over the course of like three PMs... don't get pissy about it now.
Yes you told me about their offer, but you only said you prefer their's, I didn't know you were going to jump and accept it.
I reckon I've got every right to be pissy, we agreed on a deal then you've gone and traded him because you've got a better deal (I don't think so).
In Nigey's defence we had agreed to a trade with Eski a while ago (1-2 weeks back), then another deal went sour, Nige blamed Daz and this deal was off. When we figured we were trading Jaensch, thought we'd have another go at Eski and try to rebuild the bridge (Daz strikes again but wasn't really his fault as a misunderstanding).
On a side thing, people are quick to jump to trading, I'm the same with the Grundy one because doubt many would want him despite his age but he's actually a pretty solid D4 (75 average, 8 scores over 80, consistently plays games). But there is like no rush to jump to trading, it'll be pretty bare in a month or two long before the draft :P.
Haha, come on.
If a player is sold, then he's off the table. I was just a little unhappy at how it was handled (like I'm sure every other coach would be), but it doesn't really matter anymore, there's nothing I can do now. Nothing against Nige personally, though.
I know the feel JRoo, has been done to us before. This is why we just blacklist the coach and literally do not trade with them :P.
So many trades already done :o :o
We're looking for a solid D3 or D4 option, got some forward and mid depth to part with. Picks can also go.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 03:34:22 PM
We're looking for a solid D3 or D4 option, got some forward and mid depth to part with. Picks can also go.
Mullett ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on September 01, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 03:34:22 PM
We're looking for a solid D3 or D4 option, got some forward and mid depth to part with. Picks can also go.
Mullett ;)
No thanks. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 03:34:22 PM
We're looking for a solid D3 or D4 option, got some forward and mid depth to part with. Picks can also go.
Jake Batchelor? :P
Fasolo, Scott Selwood, Jesse Lonergan & Pick 9 all look to be heading elsewhere so get in quick if you are keen on any of them.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
Exactly.
Some of the trades so far, boy-oh-boy wowee.
we at PNL are open to deals
Jaensch currently has had his name mentioned
most can be swayed if the offer is good enough
(though doubt you will get some)
but we are not that bad to deal with (i swear have improved i was even innocent in the on again off again with nige i swear..lol)
Quote from: My Chumps on September 01, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
Exactly.
Some of the trades so far, boy-oh-boy wowee.
Yep, some are complete murder.
Some teams don't understand the concept of shopping around! Could get much better offers instead of just taking the first trade offered to you. Besides, votes only go out next Monday, so a bit strange for so many to be posted now.
Quote from: Master Q on September 01, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 01, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
Exactly.
Some of the trades so far, boy-oh-boy wowee.
Yep, some are complete murder.
Some teams don't understand the concept of shopping around! Could get much better offers instead of just taking the first trade offered to you. Besides, votes only go out next Monday, so a bit strange for so many to be posted now.
Thats fair game. Snooze ya lose mate.
Quote from: elephants on September 01, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 01, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 01, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
Exactly.
Some of the trades so far, boy-oh-boy wowee.
Yep, some are complete murder.
Some teams don't understand the concept of shopping around! Could get much better offers instead of just taking the first trade offered to you. Besides, votes only go out next Monday, so a bit strange for so many to be posted now.
Thats fair game. Snooze ya lose mate.
Oh, I'm not complaining. Other teams are losing out, not me! :)
Quote from: Master Q on September 01, 2014, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 01, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 01, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 01, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
Exactly.
Some of the trades so far, boy-oh-boy wowee.
Yep, some are complete murder.
Some teams don't understand the concept of shopping around! Could get much better offers instead of just taking the first trade offered to you. Besides, votes only go out next Monday, so a bit strange for so many to be posted now.
Thats fair game. Snooze ya lose mate.
Oh, I'm not complaining. Other teams are losing out, not me! :)
haha, all good. I forgot to post the rest of my message :P Meant to go on and say people shouldn't expect thers to do the groundwork for them, if you're keen on someone go after them!
Lol, 27 PMs sent today, and counting!
Willing to move 1 of Gibbs or Ellis but only for a ripper offer ;)
Quote from: Master Q on September 01, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 01, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Can't help but feel a touch devastated and a sense of missed opportunity at some of these trades, if only teams shopped around more, they would have gotten a better deal!
Crazy trade morning, very exciting!
Exactly.
Some of the trades so far, boy-oh-boy wowee.
Yep, some are complete murder.
Some teams don't understand the concept of shopping around! Could get much better offers instead of just taking the first trade offered to you. Besides, votes only go out next Monday, so a bit strange for so many to be posted now.
I feel like a lot of this is aimed at AK and I, because we have posted so many trades already
Not that we need to justify ourselves, but we have spent months researching each team's list, identifying who we want and what we need to make NY a more competetive team, both short and long term.
If you had something we needed, then you heard from us. If you didnt hear from us, then you didnt have anything we needed, so when comments are made about how people could have shopped around and got more etc etc those comments are all fair and true, but not to us, because we have done our due diligence on every one of your teams list, and what we need.
Just because we are the new kids on the block, doesnt mean we dont know what we are doing
I'm not upset at anyone, this is just a game and it's meant to be fun, but I just feel like those comments are directed at us, and tha't unfair
I hope we can continue to do plenty more deals with you all, because this is fun! :D
AK/RD, screw 'em. Trading is what makes the XVs amazing. Keep doing what you're doing!
Quote from: elephants on September 01, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
AK/RD, screw 'em. Trading is what makes the XVs amazing. Keep doing what you're doing!
There is every chance that we might have missed out on something better, but that's going to happen to all of us regardless
Cant win them all. Just back yourself in, trust what your doing and do the best you can :)
I'm mad, I wanted Libba! :P
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
confirmed
Eski will be good cover if Enright hangs up the boots and also with grundy moving
dawes was depth and so was thomas really so a win/win for both clubs :)
I have good news for ya.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-01/enright-set-to-sign-new-deal
;)
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
confirmed
Eski will be good cover if Enright hangs up the boots and also with grundy moving
dawes was depth and so was thomas really so a win/win for both clubs :)
I have good news for ya.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-01/enright-set-to-sign-new-deal
;)
fantastic news :D
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2014, 06:54:16 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
confirmed
Eski will be good cover if Enright hangs up the boots and also with grundy moving
dawes was depth and so was thomas really so a win/win for both clubs :)
not for your cap!
I have good news for ya.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-01/enright-set-to-sign-new-deal
;)
fantastic news :D
Quote from: ossie85 on September 01, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2014, 06:54:16 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 01, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 01, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
HP/Daz to confirm.
confirmed
Eski will be good cover if Enright hangs up the boots and also with grundy moving
dawes was depth and so was thomas really so a win/win for both clubs :)
not for your cap!
I have good news for ya.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-01/enright-set-to-sign-new-deal
;)
fantastic news :D
meh Ball gone and dawes and thomas and working on some other deals ;)
Just got home from work. I didn't miss too much then :P
If you are going to discuss trades with NY during the week it is best if you chat to RD
I am not at home from 7am to 7pm Monday to Friday and can only offer brief comments or replies to messages during my lunch break.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
Have to agree with Jukes. Sinclair, albeit at another club, would be a gun. Pretty fair deal IMO.
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
Then why trade him? :P
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 01, 2014, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
Then why trade him? :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tqXuQRFxlQ
Ahhh because Daniher is an actual super talent :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 01, 2014, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 01, 2014, 09:21:09 PM
Another trade for AK/RD :o
New York give: Pick 44
Mexico City give: Michael Firrito
AK/RD to confirm.
Confirmed. Firrito gives us some def depth, and on the back of this year should be good to go around for another year or 2
Plus you can genuinely now say you've signed a spud
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
Shame he'll be getting five games a season max for at least the next three years. #NicNatLycett #Bestcomboofalltime
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
I'm an Eagles fan mate in WA - I know exactly how Sinclair is going in the WAFL and I watched him a couple of weeks ago.
Daniher is a once in a generation talent, but like all kpp will take a few seasons to come on, and would arguably have been #1 in his draft year if he hadn't been a father son while Sinclair will be a decent mobile ruckman who will get the odd game in the coming seasons barring a NN or Lycett injury.
I'd say this is a 90% chance of working out in Moscows favour depending on who is taken with the pick.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 02, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
I'm an Eagles fan mate in WA - I know exactly how Sinclair is going in the WAFL and I watched him a couple of weeks ago.
Daniher is a once in a generation talent, but like all kpp will take a few seasons to come on, and would arguably have been #1 in his draft year if he hadn't been a father son while Sinclair will be a decent mobile ruckman who will get the odd game in the coming seasons barring a NN or Lycett injury.
I'd say this is a 90% chance of working out in Moscows favour depending on who is taken with the pick.
Joe Daniher - once in a generation talent... lol
Joe Daniher - 20yo - 20 games - 24 goals 19
Lance Franklin - 20 yo - 20 games - 63 goals 57
Shame it took Franklin years to develop like ALL KPPs
Note - this discussion belongs in trade talk not here, couldn't help myself.
Are you happy now Nails? ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?!?!?!
Good work - I won't need to stop by your house now.
when we going to geocache?
This week I'm busy so have to put it off :'(. Don't worry, haven't gone out searching for any yet :P.
Quote from: Nails on September 02, 2014, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 02, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 01, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 01, 2014, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 01, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
ringo to confirm
Confirmed - We need a ruckman to back up Bellchambers and Sinclair fits the bill. Daniher has not come on as expected so happy to trade.
Daniher will be a gun. This is a massive win for Moscow!
Sinclair averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and over a goal a game in the WAFL this year for a DT average of 108, either he forces his way in and kills it or gets a trade and kills it.
Do your research next time.
I'm an Eagles fan mate in WA - I know exactly how Sinclair is going in the WAFL and I watched him a couple of weeks ago.
Daniher is a once in a generation talent, but like all kpp will take a few seasons to come on, and would arguably have been #1 in his draft year if he hadn't been a father son while Sinclair will be a decent mobile ruckman who will get the odd game in the coming seasons barring a NN or Lycett injury.
I'd say this is a 90% chance of working out in Moscows favour depending on who is taken with the pick.
Joe Daniher - once in a generation talent... lol
Joe Daniher - 20yo - 20 games - 24 goals 19
Lance Franklin - 20 yo - 20 games - 63 goals 57
Shame it took Franklin years to develop like ALL KPPs
Note - this discussion belongs in trade talk not here, couldn't help myself.
Debuting in Round 1 of the 2005 season, he had a strong presence up forward and played 20 out of 22 games, contributing 27 goals.
and he did
Scott D. Thompson potentially getting traded away - send me offers - already considering one offer for him.
Plenty of interest in Jack Martin. Starting to narrow down the offers to the last couple.
If you're keen then hit me up with a PM.
Plenty of interest in Jack Martin Mitch Duncan. Starting to narrow down the offers to the last couple.
If you're keen then hit me up with a PM.
Plenty of interest in Jack Martin Mitch Duncan Pick 1. Starting to narrow down the offers to the last couple.
If you're keen then hit me up with a PM.
I'm looking for rucks and willing to offer guys like boak + extra for better mids if anyone is looking for that.
Zorko is looking like he will be traded soon. If anyone wants to get their foot in the door, start thinking about doing it soon.
anybody interested in McGlynn ? could package him with Salem
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 02, 2014, 08:27:31 PM
anybody interested in McGlynn ? could package him with Salem
just out on interest
what you after?
Quote from: DazBurg on September 02, 2014, 08:30:37 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 02, 2014, 08:27:31 PM
anybody interested in McGlynn ? could package him with Salem
just out on interest
what you after?
do you mean for both?
would want someone pretty good
not anything specific just a good young player
Well might as well post up a thing of who I am willing to trade and who I'm not. Yes I know that you will complain that basically I'm giving away the scraps, but when you have a top team why would you trade away those players? Anyway here it goes...
Will listen to offers
Tony Armstrong, Alex Silvagni, Simon White, Scott McMahon, Jake Kelly
Chris Masten, Mitch Wallis, Ben Jacobs, Aidan Riley, Kyle Martin, Ben Newton
Luke Lowden, Majak Daw
Matthew Wright, Jason Porplyzia, Liam Sumner, Brett O'Hanlon, Josh Hall, Blaine Johnson
Extremely extremely unlikely I will trade
Andrew Walker, Bachar Houli, Ryan Harwood, Matt Buntine, Dylan Roberton, Zak Jones, Beau Waters, Brendan Whitecross
Gary Ablett, Rory Soane, Hamish Hartlett, Stephen Hill, David Zaharakis, Jared Polec, Taylor Adams, Jono O'Rorke, Nathan Freeman
Sam Jacobs, Will Minson
Jarryd Roughead, Devon Smith, Jack Gunston, Jake Stringer, Mason Wood, Marco Paparone, Shane Kersten
Shotgun Tony Armstrong!
Interested in Pick 1?
Quote from: Master Q on September 02, 2014, 09:22:34 PM
Shotgun Tony Armstrong!
Interested in Pick 1?
Pacific already offered picks 2 and 4. Think you would need to offer pick 5 too to get the job done...
lol wut?
Before I trade away the great man, I know a lot of people have enquired about Ziebell and I've tried to PM each of these individually. However, last chance to send in offers for the future captain of North Melbourne!
We are looking for a gun defender, and could possibly offer a gun mid in return
If you have a gun defender, and are interested, drop AK or I a PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2014, 10:59:23 PM
We are looking for a gun defender, and could possibly offer a gun mid in return
If you have a gun defender, and are interested, drop AK or I a PM
PM RD first ;D
I PMed both. :P
I need to go to bed now, have to be up at 6 to go to work.
PM both of us if you want to but you likely only to get a response from RD tonight.
Burgyone is about to go.
You have until HB confirms the trade to beat his offer of Mitch Wallis.
Can someone please take Montags off us :P We literally will take the best offer
Quote from: Ricochet on September 03, 2014, 12:40:30 AM
Can someone please take Montags off us :P We literally will take the best offer
A packet of chips and a handful of gummi bears is all I have to offer.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 03, 2014, 12:40:30 AM
Can someone please take Montags off us :P We literally will take the best offer
If you're that desperate I'll throw you Pick 73
Actually, I need more than just Montags for that lol :P
As well as looking for a starting defender, keen for a back-up/3rd ruck so if anyone has of those they don't really want that would be nice. :P
Richard Douglas still on the table for any of the above or something else. ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 02, 2014, 10:59:23 PM
We are looking for a gun defender, and could possibly offer a gun mid in return
If you have a gun defender, and are interested, drop AK or I a PM
We have Matthew Stokes and David Armitage, both 90-100 averaging mids that we may be willing to trade
We are chasing a good defender primarily, but are happy to listen to serious offers
PM If you are interested in either of Stokes or Arma
Cameron Guthrie is on the table potential for anyone who is interested.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 03, 2014, 12:40:30 AM
Can someone please take Montags off us :P We literally will take the best offer
4th rounder :P
Quote from: DazBurg on September 03, 2014, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 03, 2014, 12:40:30 AM
Can someone please take Montags off us :P We literally will take the best offer
4th rounder :P
3rd.
It's on Daz :P
Quote from: roo boys! on September 03, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 03, 2014, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 03, 2014, 12:40:30 AM
Can someone please take Montags off us :P We literally will take the best offer
4th rounder :P
3rd.
It's on Daz :P
haha 2nd rounder and a depth player is just ahead of others at this stage lads. You two got a bit of catching up to do ;)
Quote from: Boomz on September 03, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 03, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
Pacific give: Jason Johanissen + NAT pick 41
Tokyo give: Alex Fasolo + NAT pick 81
Boomz to confirm.
Confirmed. Johanissen will only improve & has shown a fair bit as a defender. Pick 41 just evens it up considering Fasolo is the more accomplished player so far but not a massive loss.
Would have given ND 2 for Johannisen - flowering disgusted. Should have traded Johan to me.
Quote from: Nails on September 03, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: Boomz on September 03, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 03, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
Pacific give: Jason Johanissen + NAT pick 41
Tokyo give: Alex Fasolo + NAT pick 81
Boomz to confirm.
Confirmed. Johanissen will only improve & has shown a fair bit as a defender. Pick 41 just evens it up considering Fasolo is the more accomplished player so far but not a massive loss.
Would have given ND 2 for Johannisen - flowering disgusted. Should have traded Johan to me.
I believe Nails - he has much man-love for Johanisen
Quote from: Nails on September 03, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: Boomz on September 03, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 03, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
Pacific give: Jason Johanissen + NAT pick 41
Tokyo give: Alex Fasolo + NAT pick 81
Boomz to confirm.
Confirmed. Johanissen will only improve & has shown a fair bit as a defender. Pick 41 just evens it up considering Fasolo is the more accomplished player so far but not a massive loss.
Would have given ND 2 for Johannisen - flowering disgusted. Should have traded Johan to me.
Quick, everyone neg the trade so I can get pick 2 back :P
21yo defender who's developing a key half back role for the dogs averaging 85 in his last 6 games and you trade him for a spud and a spud flowering pick?
Are you flowering serious? I would have given you the world
I'm flowered off, Johannisen was the one player I really wanted but forgot to chase him as of yet.
Quote from: Nails on September 03, 2014, 06:50:39 PM
21yo defender who's developing a key half back role for the dogs averaging 85 in his last 6 games and you trade him for a spud and a spud flowering pick?
Are you flowering serious? I would have given you the world
I'm flowered off, Johannisen was the one player I really wanted but forgot to chase him as of yet.
Calm down Nailer, you only have old blokes to offer anyway :P
Johans had 5 scores under 50 in his 11 games, I dont think we were trading away a superstar ;)
Fasolo is dpp, only 22 years old, has a 75ave season under his belt... Fair trade imo. Hoping Bucks uses him in that sweeping half back role he did a few times this year.
Nails complaining... Hmm, must be trade season :P
Fas ain't a spud either, racked up when playing down back and averaged 75s as a small fwd. Can find the pill/10
To the team getting Johan
Brent Harvey for him?
Quote from: Nails on September 03, 2014, 07:53:29 PM
To the team getting Johan
Brent Harvey for him?
lol no.
I reckon it's a fair trade, both players are roughly even in my eyes.
The Zorko trade on the other hand...
Quote from: Jukes on September 03, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
I reckon it's a fair trade, both players are roughly even in my eyes.
The Zorko trade on the other hand...
How is the Zorko trade bad?
Anyone interested in Armitage or Stokes.
Send a PM to RD or me with reasonable offers.
Looking for a 85 averaging defender.
Quote from: nrich102 on September 03, 2014, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 03, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
I reckon it's a fair trade, both players are roughly even in my eyes.
The Zorko trade on the other hand...
How is the Zorko trade bad?
Because my offer was far better! Zorko >>> injury-prone Dixon and spud-prone Watts, let alone w/ pick 12 added. Very good business by Holz, should it get through.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 03, 2014, 05:20:48 PM
Cameron Guthrie is on the table potential for anyone who is interested.
And Craig Bird and Adam Cooney
Quote from: Jukes on September 03, 2014, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 03, 2014, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 03, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
I reckon it's a fair trade, both players are roughly even in my eyes.
The Zorko trade on the other hand...
How is the Zorko trade bad?
Because my offer was far better! Zorko >>> injury-prone Dixon and spud-prone Watts, let alone w/ pick 12 added. Very good business by Holz, should it get through.
Cant neg a trade because you thought you had a bettter offer :P
For all those who are short a ruckman, the man m0nty titled "the most exciting player to watch in the AFL today" is about to be traded. Get your offers for the big loveable Benny Brown in!
Holz getting him?
Maybe I should go after Angus Graham just in case Jacobs goes down... :-X
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 03, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
Maybe I should go after Angus Graham just in case Jacobs goes down... :-X
Angus for Lowden? Done and done :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 03, 2014, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 03, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
Maybe I should go after Angus Graham just in case Jacobs goes down... :-X
Angus for Lowden? Done and done :P.
Haha oh shower didn't realise you had him. That would actually benefit us both, but no thanks :P
Lowden is the coaches pet. Harwood was this year and he dominated when given the chance, so I have moved on to inspiring Lowden with my affection towards him :)
Are there any teams looking for Picks?
We have a few that we would most likely give away just for some depth players
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 03, 2014, 11:41:21 PM
Are there any teams looking for Picks?
We have a few that we would most likely give away just for some good players
Quote from: Jukes on September 03, 2014, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 03, 2014, 11:41:21 PM
Are there any teams looking for Picks?
We have a few that we would most likely give away just for some good players
Quote from: Nails on September 04, 2014, 12:06:13 AM
we're desperate for picks.
I thought of you Nails.
Can you PM me your up to date current team list?
look at players thread
only don't have
Burgyone, Barlow, Lyons and Stevie J
though I think I was in talks with other coaches for other players -
If we're in the middle of discussions PM me guys. I get lost without assistant vinny
You were trading me Boomer for #80 in the draft remember Nails?
Get your draft picks in my box ;). I want to see offers right now
You know what Jukes? You are right. Monfries and Vickery are better forwards than Jack Watts and Charlie Dixon. They have much brighter futures and aren't capped by their positions. I was blind, arrogant, and weak to Holz' persuasion techniques.
Don't argue with Moscow purp, he'll nuke us
Quote from: ossie85 on September 04, 2014, 08:45:38 AM
Don't argue with Moscow purp, he'll nuke us
Wouldn't put anything past old mate Jukes. :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 04, 2014, 08:43:08 AM
You know what Jukes? You are right. Monfries and Vickery are better forwards than Jack Watts and Charlie Dixon. They have much brighter futures and aren't capped by their positions. I was blind, arrogant, and weak to Holz' persuasion techniques.
you are implying that Gus and Vickery were the two best players I was offering you in that trade...Seedsman is a future top 10 back.
Any other than nails want picks?
People seem to not want picks these days. *shrugs*
Quote from: NigeyS on September 04, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
People seem to not want picks these days. *shrugs*
think it's got a bit to do with so many talls expected to go in the first round
PNL don't mind picks but their value is down this year :P.
New York Update
This is a list of all the players we could potentially trade out, pending offers. If anyone here interests you, shoot me a PM with what you are willing to offer. We are not interested in Picks at this stage.
DEF: Fisher, Grundy, Firrito, Schofield, Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Ben Sinclair
MID: Stokes, McGinnity, Kommer (M/F), Arnott, Young
RUC: Shaun McKernan (R/F), Apeness (R/F)
FWD: Green, Templeton, Sipposs, D.Menzel, Colledge
We are happy to keep a lot of these guys, but just seeing if anyone is interested and has something they could offer in return :)
We also have the following NAT Picks: 24, 39, 57, 62, 73. If you want any of these, again shoot me an offer :)
Really surprised that Matty Stokes doesn't get much love around here
Has not even turned 30 yet, and this year when you take out his sub effected game where he scored only 5, he averaged 102 for the season tonning up 11 times from 17 games. Very consistent scorer
He is on the table ladies and gentleman :D
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 04, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Really surprised that Matty Stokes doesn't get much love around here
Has not even turned 30 yet, and this year when you take out his sub effected game where he scored only 5, he averaged 102 for the season tonning up 11 times from 17 games. Very consistent scorer
He is on the table ladies and gentleman :D
He's 30 in November. :P
yeah I'm worried about talls, haven't done too much research into the draft but IDK need some good players. Heaps of key players can be fantasy guns though. Roughead, Franklin, Pavlich, Jono Brown, Waite (potential), JJK, Tex Walker could be, Westhoff etc. most good teams have at least 1 good fantasy key forward.
It's not THAT bad but I hope there are some good mids, haven't done too much research but we don't have much choice with a retiring team. Anyway...
GET YOUR PICKS IN MY BOX!
So yeah, still pretty desperate for a decent starting defender or two.
Carrots, Rischi, Matt Thomas, Matt White, Knights, Cripps, Dickson, Palmer, Charlie Cameron are all up for grabs.
We understand there's no stars in that bunch, but we need to get under the cap and we'll do a two or three for one deal for a defender or two if somebody could help out.
Otherwise we're just gonna delist a number of those guys to get under the cap before the draft instead.
We also don't mind picks either.
Talks are generally good scorers in SC provided they're half decent. Also the bonus is, kpp's won't shaft you with positional changes!
Quote from: elephants on September 04, 2014, 06:22:26 PM
Talks are generally good scorers in SC provided they're half decent. Also the bonus is, kpp's won't shaft you with positional changes!
Unless it's to the other end of the ground, which is just as useful!
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 04, 2014, 06:25:52 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 04, 2014, 06:22:26 PM
Talks are generally good scorers in SC provided they're half decent. Also the bonus is, kpp's won't shaft you with positional changes!
Unless it's to the other end of the ground, which is just as useful!
Nailed it! 8)
Just to add to the above, happy to move guys like Rischitelli on for late picks 3rd or 4th rounders. 8)
Going to be a lot of trades to pass votes on this week :P
Quote from: Toga on September 04, 2014, 09:07:06 PM
Going to be a lot of trades to pass votes on this week :P
Maybe Oss should send out the vote now. :o
Quote from: NigeyS on September 04, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 04, 2014, 09:07:06 PM
Going to be a lot of trades to pass votes on this week :P
Maybe Oss should send out the vote now. :o
maybe yo mama should
Quote from: ossie85 on September 04, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 04, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 04, 2014, 09:07:06 PM
Going to be a lot of trades to pass votes on this week :P
Maybe Oss should send out the vote now. :o
maybe yo mama should
I'm sure she'd be good enough to do so. :P
BREAKING
I'm here to notify everyone that Shaun Hampson is well and truly on the table. It is rumoured there was a falling out between Hampspn and myself, and I can confirm that I did in fact have relations with Shaun Hampson's missus Megan Gale. It is best for both parties if we just move on and part ways.
I repeat, Shaun Hampson & Megan Gale are for sale.
Hit my inbox!
Quote from: elephants on September 04, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
BREAKING
I'm here to notify everyone that Shaun Hampson is well and truly on the table. It is rumoured there was a falling out between Hampspn and myself, and I can confirm that I did in fact have relations with Shaun Hampson's missus Megan Gale. It is best for both parties if we just move on and part ways.
I repeat, Shaun Hampson & Megan Gale are for sale.
Hit my inbox!
94ave unsubbed without Maric too! #superstar #Ivanwho?
Quote from: elephants on September 04, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
BREAKING
I'm here to notify everyone that Shaun Hampson is well and truly on the table. It is rumoured there was a falling out between Hampspn and myself, and I can confirm that I did in fact have relations with Shaun Hampson's missus Megan Gale. It is best for both parties if we just move on and part ways.
I repeat, Shaun Hampson & Megan Gale are for sale.
Hit my inbox!
I'll start the bidding for Megan Gale at the whole Islanders team.
Cairo trade: Andrew Carrazzo, Jamie Cripps and Charlie Cameron
Tokyo trade: Sam Mitchell and Pick 46
Interesting... Pretty sure Carrots may retire :P
Quote from: Master Q on September 04, 2014, 10:12:44 PM
Cairo trade: Andrew Carrazzo, Jamie Cripps and Charlie Cameron
Tokyo trade: Sam Mitchell and Pick 46
Interesting... Pretty sure Carrots may retire :P
Eh he's contracted so willing to take the chance.
Scott Selwood, Jesse Lonergan, Seb Ross, Pick 9 all still available for now... Looking for a premium defender and ruck.
Quote from: Boomz on September 04, 2014, 10:47:38 PM
Scott Selwood, Jesse Lonergan, Seb Ross, Pick 9 all still available for now... Looking for a premium defender and ruck.
Shaun Hampson is a ruck ;)
Quote from: elephants on September 04, 2014, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: Boomz on September 04, 2014, 10:47:38 PM
Scott Selwood, Jesse Lonergan, Seb Ross, Pick 9 all still available for now... Looking for a premium defender and ruck.
Shaun Hampson is a ruck ;)
Traded him away for a reason :P
That Robbie Gray/Dusty trade is very..... confusing?
Nothing wrong with it, just seems so odd
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 04, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
That Robbie Gray/Dusty trade is very..... confusing?
Nothing wrong with it, just seems so odd
yep... odd.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 04, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
That Robbie Gray/Dusty trade is very..... confusing?
Nothing wrong with it, just seems so odd
pretty much even , sometimes i like to trade for the sake of trading. keeps things interesting.
Interesting, very interesting.
(posting so I get new replies trolol)
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 12:17:25 AM
Mind you, it was Torp who made this deal so don't judge me if it goes bad :3
This explains a lot. :P
Biggsy was ours! :(
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 02:02:47 PM
Biggsy was ours! :(
Well you should've given me Megan, instead of Hampson :P
Quote from: JROO8 on September 05, 2014, 02:12:27 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 02:02:47 PM
Biggsy was ours! :(
Well you should've given me Megan, instead of Hampson :P
They come as a package, goes without saying :P
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 05, 2014, 02:12:27 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 02:02:47 PM
Biggsy was ours! :(
Well you should've given me Megan, instead of Hampson :P
They come as a package, goes without saying :P
Yeah but I didn't want Shaun ;)
Megan > Shaun.
i wouldn't want Megan i know where she has been
never the same after her time at Tokyo
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
done.
everyone saw it, im posting it up.
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 02:12:47 AM
Interesting, very interesting.
(posting so I get new replies trolol)
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Sigh, get over it man.
And there was no way you'd do that deal.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Sigh, get over it man.
And there was no way you'd do that deal.
Woah, just take it easy man
I'm crazy enough to trade Dusty for Gray, why wouldn't I do that?
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Sigh, get over it man.
And there was no way you'd do that deal.
Woah, just take it easy man
I'm crazy enough to trade Dusty for Gray, why wouldn't I do that?
Torp is crazy enough.
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Sigh, get over it man.
And there was no way you'd do that deal.
Woah, just take it easy man
I'm crazy enough to trade Dusty for Gray, why wouldn't I do that?
Because if you wanted him that bad you would have offered him and tried to beat Holz' offer. But you didn't.
Also this:
QuoteUNTOUCHABLE: (Not available for trade no way no how)
Heppell, Hogan, O'Meara, Ward, Naitanui, Sinclair*
*Already being traded
And me constantly mentioning we could try different players in our trade talks.
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
You guys have players that arent even best 15 as untouchable
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 05, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
You guys have players that arent even best 15 as untouchable
Clearly keen to secure the reserves premiership. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on September 05, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 05, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
You guys have players that arent even best 15 as untouchable
Clearly keen to secure the reserves premiership. :P
Shame SOMEBODY *Glares at Oss* doesn't want us to win the Reserves Premiership with the points cap >:(.
This points cap seems to drive everyone nuts when trying to discuss trades and actually make them. #scrapthecap :P
Quote from: Vinny on September 05, 2014, 07:10:38 PM
This points cap seems to drive everyone nuts when trying to discuss trades and actually make them. #scrapthecap :P
I think just put it back to the 31,500 and then I'll be happy. Basically means you can have 1 less prem player on your team :-\
Points cap is fine, PNL almost under it fully anyway :P.
#scrapthecap
Gotta love being almost exactly in between the cap and minimum :3
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 05, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
You guys have players that arent even best 15 as untouchable
which one of lobbe, priddis or jones is not good enough to be in your side? :O
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 05, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
You guys have players that arent even best 15 as untouchable
which one of lobbe, priddis or jones is not good enough to be in your side? :O
Lobbe and maybe Jones ;)
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 05, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
You guys have players that arent even best 15 as untouchable
which one of lobbe, priddis or jones is not good enough to be in your side? :O
I asked about Shiel and Merrett and you said dont even bother
Quote from: NigeyS on September 05, 2014, 09:42:35 AM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 12:17:25 AM
Mind you, it was Torp who made this deal so don't judge me if it goes bad :3
This explains a lot. :P
we win the trade. :P
Pretty simple, we like Gray and we dislike Dusty. Of course a Richmond supporter would be a little bias. ;)
Quote from: NigeyS on September 05, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Sigh, get over it man.
And there was no way you'd do that deal.
Woah, just take it easy man
I'm crazy enough to trade Dusty for Gray, why wouldn't I do that?
Torp is crazy enough.
Crazy pays off. :P Playing safe just gets you hovering around 6th.
Quote from: Torp on September 05, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 05, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Sigh, get over it man.
And there was no way you'd do that deal.
Woah, just take it easy man
I'm crazy enough to trade Dusty for Gray, why wouldn't I do that?
Torp is crazy enough.
Crazy pays off. :P Playing safe just gets you hovering around 6th.
Not always ;) #lookatNDT #cursethoseformercoacheswhoevertheywere
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 05, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 05, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 05, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 05, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
I've always thought the concept of untradable players silly.
Every player has a price
but are they prepared to pay that price
muhahahahahah
You guys have players that arent even best 15 as untouchable
which one of lobbe, priddis or jones is not good enough to be in your side? :O
I asked about Shiel and Merrett and you said dont even bother
because you wanted them for Mcglynn a guy who averaged over 90 for the first time and that was like 3 points more then shiel yet mcglynn 30 next season
it is like me saying hey i'll offer you matty Jaensch for Coniglio
only difference is Jaensch isn't old enough for the veterans list :p
Play nice boys;)
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 09:51:18 PM
Play nice boys;)
am nice no malice n my tone just explaining why he feels they were untouchable in my response and why :)
Mcglynn wasnt the only player available just the first I offered.
Quote from: elephants on September 05, 2014, 09:31:47 PM
Quote from: Torp on September 05, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 05, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
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Quote from: Jukes on September 05, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 04:19:29 PM
So yeah. I need a decent midfielder now. Fairly peeved atm about Jackson. Selfish :P
JJK and/or Duffman could be moved.
Straight swap you Ward for Zorko
Oh wait...
Sigh, get over it man.
And there was no way you'd do that deal.
Woah, just take it easy man
I'm crazy enough to trade Dusty for Gray, why wouldn't I do that?
Torp is crazy enough.
Crazy pays off. :P Playing safe just gets you hovering around 6th.
Not always ;) #lookatNDT #cursethoseformercoacheswhoevertheywere
I blame all the other coaches for letting through some disgraceful trades because they were selfish and wanted New Delhi to fail. :P I didn't even realise some of the trades were going on until they were confirmed, Shows how badly Fisher communicated with me. ::)
Takes two to tango :P
Quote from: Toga on September 05, 2014, 11:08:46 PM
Takes two to tango :P
not when one coach can confirm without the other coaches permission. :P
trade me you gimps.
Quote from: Nails on September 05, 2014, 11:19:58 PM
trade me you gimps.
Dildos trade Nails
Magpies trade kilbluff1985
Anybody after...backs? Any of them can go, but would need huge offers for Flossy and Lukey Mac - Seedsy and Dochers too will be pretty hard to get.
Vlastuin, McDonald, Seedsman, Dunn, Docherty, May, Hombsch, Colquhoun, Steinberg, Fletcher, Wilson, Barrass, Fuller, Pearce, Allen, Osborne
So Seoul trades Ballantyne again!
Have the last 2years also only to trade him back in again..
Quote from: ossie85 on September 06, 2014, 05:45:21 AM
So Seoul trades Ballantyne again!
Have the last 2years also only to trade him back in again..
Will Moscow be Balla's like 5th WXV club?
Holz giving up Mundy, Black and 2 picks for Bryce Gibbs?
I don't see how this benefits Dublin.
Toronto giving up Ziebell for an older midfielder and a low pick.
Only winner in this deal is Seoul.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Holz giving up Mundy, Black and 2 picks for Bryce Gibbs?
I don't see how this benefits Dublin.
Gibbs is 25, Mundy is 29. Gibbs is a younger, similar scoring version of Mundy.
Holz doesn't need Black due to other trades he has made this period and also because of the quality of his starting forwards.
He was never too interested in using the picks and prefers to use their value to acquire good players.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 06, 2014, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Holz giving up Mundy, Black and 2 picks for Bryce Gibbs?
I don't see how this benefits Dublin.
Gibbs is 25, Mundy is 29. Gibbs is a younger, similar scoring version of Mundy.
Holz doesn't need Black due to other trades he has made this period and also because of the quality of his starting forwards.
He was never too interested in using the picks and prefers to use their value to acquire good players.
Gibbs and Dusty long term better for his side than Mundy and Gray.
I understand what Holz is doing, but giving up massive overs though.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 06, 2014, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Holz giving up Mundy, Black and 2 picks for Bryce Gibbs?
I don't see how this benefits Dublin.
Gibbs is 25, Mundy is 29. Gibbs is a younger, similar scoring version of Mundy.
Holz doesn't need Black due to other trades he has made this period and also because of the quality of his starting forwards.
He was never too interested in using the picks and prefers to use their value to acquire good players.
Gibbs and Dusty long term better for his side than Mundy and Gray.
I understand what Holz is doing, but giving up massive overs though.
I know what im doing ;)
lets see how it pans out.
Quote from: Holzman on September 06, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 06, 2014, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Holz giving up Mundy, Black and 2 picks for Bryce Gibbs?
I don't see how this benefits Dublin.
Gibbs is 25, Mundy is 29. Gibbs is a younger, similar scoring version of Mundy.
Holz doesn't need Black due to other trades he has made this period and also because of the quality of his starting forwards.
He was never too interested in using the picks and prefers to use their value to acquire good players.
Gibbs and Dusty long term better for his side than Mundy and Gray.
I understand what Holz is doing, but giving up massive overs though.
I know what im doing ;)
lets see how it pans out.
Never said you didn't :) Landed Bennell as well.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 06, 2014, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 06, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Holz giving up Mundy, Black and 2 picks for Bryce Gibbs?
I don't see how this benefits Dublin.
Gibbs is 25, Mundy is 29. Gibbs is a younger, similar scoring version of Mundy.
Holz doesn't need Black due to other trades he has made this period and also because of the quality of his starting forwards.
He was never too interested in using the picks and prefers to use their value to acquire good players.
Gibbs and Dusty long term better for his side than Mundy and Gray.
I understand what Holz is doing, but giving up massive overs though.
Yeah it does seem a bit excessive.
Oh well - if he wants to weaken his team long term then it's better for the chasing pack :P
don't think it is that bad mundy is ok but with fyfe barlow his got a ceiling to scoring ability imo
Gibbs on the other hand can go low but can go massive
like i always say cannot base voting on everything being 50/50 needs to based on why clubs are doing it
Holz wants a younger mid so he can contend for flags for longer
(waits for watson to be traded to PNL :P)
Shhhhh
Quote from: DazBurg on September 06, 2014, 03:57:29 PM
don't think it is that bad mundy is ok but with fyfe barlow his got a ceiling to scoring ability imo
Gibbs on the other hand can go low but can go massive
like i always say cannot base voting on everything being 50/50 needs to bas n why clubs are doing it
Holz wants a younger mid so he can contend for flags for longer
(waits for watson to be traded to PNL :P)
dont hold your breath.
I still want to take the flag out next year.
long term got my mids down to Jelwood Rocky Boak Gibbs Bennell and for my flags NDS + Watson
Quote from: Holzman on September 06, 2014, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 06, 2014, 03:57:29 PM
don't think it is that bad mundy is ok but with fyfe barlow his got a ceiling to scoring ability imo
Gibbs on the other hand can go low but can go massive
like i always say cannot base voting on everything being 50/50 needs to bas n why clubs are doing it
Holz wants a younger mid so he can contend for flags for longer
(waits for watson to be traded to PNL :P)
dont hold your breath.
I still want to take the flag out next year.
long term got my mids down to Jelwood Rocky Boak Gibbs Bennell and for my flags NDS + Watson
send us bennell then :P
instant midfield power on offer :P
I think that's a fair trade, but JZ was mine :P
Moscow have a serious chance of the Flag in 2015.
Quote from: Torp on September 06, 2014, 04:25:12 PM
Moscow have a serious chance of the Flag in 2015.
probably need abit more depth to take out the reserve flag torp.
Quote from: Holzman on September 06, 2014, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: Torp on September 06, 2014, 04:25:12 PM
Moscow have a serious chance of the Flag in 2015.
probably need abit more depth to take out the reserve flag torp.
Reserve flag? Didn't realise there was such a thing
Anyone wanna trade with me?
Nah it doesn't. I'm just a cool guy. 8)
Seoul laughing all the way to the bank :o
Quote from: JROO8 on September 06, 2014, 04:23:08 PM
I think that's a fair trade, but JZ was mine :P
Yeah sorry about that mate :-\
Holz definitely paid overs for Gibbs, but he has the overs to be able to pay, without weakening his side much at all really. That's the luxury of being the reigning premier.
Quote from: Holzman on September 06, 2014, 04:26:05 PM
probably need abit more depth to take out the reserve flag torp.
we're looking for a solid defender we have NAT 12, Salem, Weller on the table and maybe even Spencer White
all of them can be traded
For the right offer Macrae, Treloar and Cloke are on the table
Looking for at least a 95+ averaging forward or defender to move Macrae or Treloar on.
Looking for at least a 90+ averaging defender to move Cloke on.
Fair to say we are getting bombarded with interest in Macrae and Treloar
Only one of those will be traded.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
Fair to say we are getting bombarded with interest in Macrae and Treloar
Only one of those will be traded.
And only for a cracking deal
We are more than happy to keep both, but if you can offer us players that would improve our def/fwd then we will consider it
No guarantee we will trade either, but if you offer a deal we cant refuse, then that's the only way we will part with ONE of them
Personally, I wouldn't trade either Macrae or Treloar regardless of how desperate I was for a forward. :o
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Personally, I wouldn't trade either Macrae or Treloar regardless of how desperate I was for a forward. :o
If we get a gun def + a gun forward would you?
or 2 gun defenders, etc...
That's the sort of offers we are getting.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Personally, I wouldn't trade either Macrae or Treloar regardless of how desperate I was for a forward. :o
If we get a gun def + a gun forward would you, or 2 gun defenders, or one gun defender + 2 cover players.
That's the sort of offers we are getting/
Probably not. :P
So much love for my boys Macrae and Treloar. :-*
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Personally, I wouldn't trade either Macrae or Treloar regardless of how desperate I was for a forward. :o
If we get a gun def + a gun forward would you, or 2 gun defenders, or one gun defender + 2 cover players.
That's the sort of offers we are getting/
Probably not. :P
So much love for my boys Macrae and Treloar. :-*
Offer us Breust and Brodie smith and you can take your pick of one :P
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Personally, I wouldn't trade either Macrae or Treloar regardless of how desperate I was for a forward. :o
If we get a gun def + a gun forward would you, or 2 gun defenders, or one gun defender + 2 cover players.
That's the sort of offers we are getting/
Probably not. :P
So much love for my boys Macrae and Treloar. :-*
Offer us Breust and Brodie smith and you can take your pick of one :P
I'll think about it. :o
OK, so Breust and B.Smith for Macrae and Todd Elton
Lock it in Nigey? :P
McGlynn + NAT 12 + Salem ???
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 08, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
OK, so Breust and B.Smith for Macrae and Todd Elton
Lock it in Nigey? :P
Wait, you expect me to trade two players I love for one player I love and a player I passionately dislike? Good try. :P
why does nobody rate Salem?
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 05:40:06 PM
McGlynn + NAT 12 + Salem ???
Not enough to trade.... maybe.
Wow, that's borderline overs...
exactly, we would be giving slight overs
Won't trade unless we get a deal we cannot say no to.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 08, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
OK, so Breust and B.Smith for Macrae and Todd Elton
Lock it in Nigey? :P
Wait, you expect me to trade two players I love for one player I love and a player I passionately dislike? Good try. :P
LOL :P
OK, I'll replace Todd Elton with Sipposs :P
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 05:40:06 PM
McGlynn + NAT 12 + Salem ???
Not enough to trade.... maybe.
Wow, that's borderline overs...
exactly, we would be giving slight overs
Won't trade unless we get a deal we cannot say no to.
I'm confused. Are you talking about trading one of Treloar and Macrae in this instance or just one? If just one, then the Seoul offer above is what I was calling borderline overs.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 08, 2014, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 05:40:06 PM
McGlynn + NAT 12 + Salem ???
Not enough to trade.... maybe.
Wow, that's borderline overs...
exactly, we would be giving slight overs
Won't trade unless we get a deal we cannot say no to.
I'm confused. Are you talking about trading one of Treloar and Macrae in this instance or just one? If just one, then the Seoul offer above is what I was calling borderline overs.
We are only trading one.
totally already voted on trades 8)
did neg around 1/3 though...
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 05:45:46 PM
why does nobody rate Salem?
i'll take him ;)
but problem is you guys rate him as well so will cost to much :P
Quote from: DazBurg on September 08, 2014, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 05:45:46 PM
why does nobody rate Salem?
i'll take him ;)
but problem is you guys rate him as well so will cost to much :P
we want a solid defender
If you have an 80ave forward up for trade. Inbox me.
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2014, 06:20:57 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 08, 2014, 06:16:11 PM
jeez pot if i knew you were throwing dlids away could of thrown him to us
C'mon guys, I had to give up a lot to get Lids.
TIL Yarran and Vince are considered a lot.
i must trade in Cotchin so all the Tigers fans can be jealous about that also
Pot, I have friends at Red Rock Deli. If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
Pot, I have friends at Red Rock Deli. If you want chips for players, just let me know.
LOL
this
LOL love it Qman
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
i must trade in Cotchin so all the Tigers fans can be jealous about that also
Daz made the original comment and is a Bombers fan... ???
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
Pot, I have friends at Red Rock Deli. If you want chips for players, just let me know.
haha... classic, love it Q
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
i must trade in Cotchin so all the Tigers fans can be jealous about that also
Daz made the original comment and is a Bombers fan... ???
yup i am but i rate dlids alot
hell i would of had a crack if i knew it was available
(and if i knew when pot would be on )
how come we never get these kind of deals?
lemme try one
Nige i'll give you
david myers and tyson goldsack + a 3rd rounder for dayne beams
LOL
Are people forgetting Yarran is a young DEF/FWD premium?
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
Quote from: DazBurg on September 08, 2014, 06:36:41 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
i must trade in Cotchin so all the Tigers fans can be jealous about that also
Daz made the original comment and is a Bombers fan... ???
yup i am but i rate dlids alot
hell i would of had a crack if i knew it was available
(and if i knew when pot would be on )
how come we never get these kind of deals?
lemme try one
Nige i'll give you
david myers and tyson goldsack + a 3rd rounder for dayne beams
LOL
...
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
Yep, because deals like this get processed. Might I remind you how your team came across a young man by the name of Sidebottom?
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
lol do you want me to post that trade you offered us?
Trade raping might convince one coach to do the trade, but not the other 17.
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
Yep, because deals like this get processed. Might I remind you how your team came across a young man by the name of Sidebottom?
Deals like this?
How could this isn't even near the level of the Sidey deal. And how was that my fault?
Can't see the problem here,
Lids a 27 year old 103 mid.
Vince a 29 year old 95 mid + Yarran a 23 year old 90 D/F.
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:54:40 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
lol do you want me to post that trade you offered us?
Trade raping might convince one coach to do the trade, but not the other 17.
Haha, how about the one you sent me?
No need to sook bout it, mate.
Its not the greatest trade by pot but its not trade rape.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 08, 2014, 07:00:42 PM
Its not the greatest trade by pot but its not trade rape.
Have to agree.
Looks like a lot of people would have offered more for Lids had they known he was on the table.
Pot needs depth, he gets Vince to replace Lids in the mids, then he gets Yarran in the backline/fwds too.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
Yep, because deals like this get processed. Might I remind you how your team came across a young man by the name of Sidebottom?
Deals like this?
How could this isn't even near the level of the Sidey deal. And how was that my fault?
Can't see the problem here,
Lids a 27 year old 103 mid.
Vince a 29 year old 95 mid + Yarran a 23 year old 90 D/F.
like AK said think for lids he could of got more especially since his a chance at getting DPP
BTW though yarran is not a 90 D/F 87 4 years ago and 82 this year with to mid 60's to fill the gaps
each to there own i suppose
Quote from: DazBurg on September 08, 2014, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
Yep, because deals like this get processed. Might I remind you how your team came across a young man by the name of Sidebottom?
Deals like this?
How could this isn't even near the level of the Sidey deal. And how was that my fault?
Can't see the problem here,
Lids a 27 year old 103 mid.
Vince a 29 year old 95 mid + Yarran a 23 year old 90 D/F.
like AK said think for lids he could of got more especially since his a chance at getting DPP
BTW though yarran is not a 90 D/F 87 4 years ago and 82 this year with to mid 60's to fill the gaps
each to there own i suppose
DPP? No chance.
Yarran averaged 88 if you take out his two sub games. When he's likely to get D/F DPP, I don't see the problem. I've had a bit of interest in him actually.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 08, 2014, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 08, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 08, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 08, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
If you want chips for players, just let me know.
Yep, plenty of them at Beijing ;)
Yep, because deals like this get processed. Might I remind you how your team came across a young man by the name of Sidebottom?
Deals like this?
How could this isn't even near the level of the Sidey deal. And how was that my fault?
Can't see the problem here,
Lids a 27 year old 103 mid.
Vince a 29 year old 95 mid + Yarran a 23 year old 90 D/F.
like AK said think for lids he could of got more especially since his a chance at getting DPP
BTW though yarran is not a 90 D/F 87 4 years ago and 82 this year with to mid 60's to fill the gaps
each to there own i suppose
DPP? No chance.
Yarran averaged 88 if you take out his two sub games. When he's likely to get D/F DPP, I don't see the problem. I've had a bit of interest in him actually.
fair enough
when lids gets fwd/mid status pot will have egg on his face :P
I guess it certainly doesn't help that pot hasn't posted a list of who is on and off the table (wasn't the only coach so I'm not picking on him).
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 07:38:47 PM
I guess it certainly doesn't help that pot hasn't posted a list of who is on and off the table (wasn't the only coach so I'm not picking on him).
I've mentioned my reasons for not having one of those lists. One of them is definitely not a lack of effort!
Quote from: roo boys! on September 08, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 07:38:47 PM
I guess it certainly doesn't help that pot hasn't posted a list of who is on and off the table (wasn't the only coach so I'm not picking on him).
I've mentioned my reasons for not having one of those lists. One of them is definitely not a lack of effort!
I'm okay with people not posting one if they have a reason. ;)
One of Macrae.or Treloar still on the table for the right offer.
Had 6 teams enquire. None of the offers would get the job done.
we are in no rush. offer a deal we cannot refuse. won't be chatting more tonight need to sleep soon.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 08:12:27 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on September 08, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 07:38:47 PM
I guess it certainly doesn't help that pot hasn't posted a list of who is on and off the table (wasn't the only coach so I'm not picking on him).
I've mentioned my reasons for not having one of those lists. One of them is definitely not a lack of effort!
I'm okay with people not posting one if they have a reason. ;)
Those lists are for spuds. Everybody is for sale. If I want your player bad enough, I'll offer enough to get him. Same with my team.
Those spud lists can get flowered imo.
Quote from: Nails on September 08, 2014, 09:06:28 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 08:12:27 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on September 08, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 08, 2014, 07:38:47 PM
I guess it certainly doesn't help that pot hasn't posted a list of who is on and off the table (wasn't the only coach so I'm not picking on him).
I've mentioned my reasons for not having one of those lists. One of them is definitely not a lack of effort!
I'm okay with people not posting one if they have a reason. ;)
Those lists are for spuds. Everybody is for sale. If I want your player bad enough, I'll offer enough to get him. Same with my team.
Those spud lists can get flowered imo.
Lids won't get M/F status... what's all the fuss about? Seems like a good trade to me.
Rightio, 4 coaches yet to vote (Honey Badger, elephants/Ricochet, My Chumps and pothead)
The only definitive answer I can give you is that Trade 3 (Sinclair + Pick 71 for Daniher) has been massively rejected (11 of 14 voted against, 11 of 12 really given Jukes/Torp and Ringo weren't gonna vote against it).
All other trades could theoretically be passed or failed.
Will vote tonight Os!
It's a tad funny because Jukes had supreme confidence it would go through. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on September 09, 2014, 01:38:18 PM
It's a tad funny because Jukes had supreme confidence it would go through. :P
He always has supreme confidence about every trade though haha
11/12 ? somebody needs to get sacked. Spud coach that didn't neg it is the reason NDT were allowed to get so bad :o
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 09, 2014, 01:38:18 PM
It's a tad funny because Jukes had supreme confidence it would go through. :P
He always has supreme confidence about every trade though haha
Good point. :o
Quote from: Nails on September 09, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
11/12 ? somebody needs to get sacked. Spud coach that didn't neg it is the reason NDT were allowed to get so bad :o
I think it might have been me. :P
Ok then if that trade is uneven, I'm going to neg every non-moscow trade from now on.
Quote from: Jukes on September 09, 2014, 03:08:06 PM
Ok then if that trade is uneven, I'm going to neg every non-moscow trade from now on.
Let's stop this before it gets too ugly...
Assume that is a joke Jukes, because if it isn't, you'll simply lose your team.
People are implying averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and 1.5 goals a game in the wafl at just 24, plus a solid draft pick, is a huge difference from a guy who averaged 59 this season. Ridiculous. It implies that every trade that even is a little fishy should be thrown in the fire.
key word was "WAFL"
Quote from: Jukes on September 09, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
People are implying averaging 19 possessions, 8 marks, 23 hitouts and 1.5 goals a game in the wafl at just 24, plus a solid draft pick, is a huge difference from a guy who averaged 59 this season. Ridiculous. It implies that every trade that even is a little fishy should be thrown in the fire.
Nat 71 is a solid draft pick? News to me!
Will accept the decision of coaches so Daniher is back on the market and PM me with your best offer,
Surprised a couple of other trades that are equally uneven imo have still not been negated.
Quote from: Ringo on September 09, 2014, 04:00:00 PM
Will accept the decision of coaches so Daniher is back on the market and PM me with your best offer,
Surprised a couple of other trades that are equally uneven imo have still not been negated.
Dont put him on the market just yet
I think Jukes should be given the first opportunity to improve the deal
Jukes, you know a WAFL player and a dud pick isnt enough :P
i think a 2nd rounder would even it up
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2014, 04:04:14 PM
i think a 2nd rounder would even it up
I agree
When I was reviewing all the picks and asked to pass/neg my approach was that as long as both teams got what they needed, then it was fine
There are going to be deals where it looks like one team is getting more than the other, but when you look at the teams and read the reasons why they have agreed, in most cases it makes sense because there are deals where you need to give up a bit more to get get what you need. Hopefully most coaches take that into consideration when reviewing trades, not just seeing if its straight up apples for apples
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 09, 2014, 04:03:05 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 09, 2014, 04:00:00 PM
Will accept the decision of coaches so Daniher is back on the market and PM me with your best offer,
Surprised a couple of other trades that are equally uneven imo have still not been negated.
Dont put him on the market just yet
I think Jukes should be given the first opportunity to improve the deal
Jukes, you know a WAFL player and a dud pick isnt enough :P
Maybe, but it might be in Ringo's best interests to put him in the open market and see if he can get a better deal for him.
Speaking of which - I have sent you an offer Ringo
MASSIVE NDT NEWS COMING TONIGHT. STAY TUNED AND GET READY.
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
MASSIVE NDT NEWS COMING TONIGHT. STAY TUNED AND GET READY.
:o
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
MASSIVE NDT NEWS COMING TONIGHT. STAY TUNED AND GET READY.
Zac is available for trade? :o
the coach quits and i'm taking over?
anything else and it's being over hyped
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
MASSIVE NDT NEWS COMING TONIGHT. STAY TUNED AND GET READY.
elephants turns out to be a hippo and Ricochet isn't Kobe Bryant?
At 7.30 AEST the news will be dropped! No-one has guessed it yet!
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:17:31 PM
At 7.30 AEST the news will be dropped! No-one has guessed it yet!
I know what the news is but I'm being a good guy and not saying it. 8)
u traded Greene? :'(
Quote from: NigeyS on September 09, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:17:31 PM
At 7.30 AEST the news will be dropped! No-one has guessed it yet!
I know what the news is but I'm being a good guy and not saying it. 8)
I don't think you do :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2014, 07:20:36 PM
u traded Greene? :'(
Why would we trade the next Rocky!? ;)
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:21:48 PM
Why would we trade the next Rocky!? ;)
NDT traded the original
If it's got nothing to do with Zac, then this is over hyped.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 07:26:29 PM
If it's got nothing to do with Zac, then this is over hyped.
Zac Dawson?
NDT fold. Finally.
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 09, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:17:31 PM
At 7.30 AEST the news will be dropped! No-one has guessed it yet!
I know what the news is but I'm being a good guy and not saying it. 8)
I don't think you do :P
Fite me irl.
It's 7.31, I won't stand for this!
Quote from: Vinny on September 09, 2014, 07:44:53 PM
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Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 07:42:33 PM
It's 7.31, I won't stand for this!
Ele's so tight lipped on it that I didn't even know lol
But yes... I am Kobe Bryant
Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 09, 2014, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 09, 2014, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:21:48 PM
Why would we trade the next Rocky!? ;)
FisherSaints traded the original
Ah, I remember that day. 8pm the night before, I agreed to trade Pick 3 for Tom Rockliff.
Wake up in the morning, he traded him to another club ::)
Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2014, 07:45:11 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 09, 2014, 07:44:53 PM
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Quote from: nrich102 on September 09, 2014, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 07:42:33 PM
It's 7.31, I won't stand for this!
Quote from: Ricochet on September 09, 2014, 07:46:29 PM
Ele's so tight lipped on it that I didn't even know lol
But yes... I am Kobe Bryant
Autograph pls.
Quote from: nrich102 on September 09, 2014, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 07:42:33 PM
It's 7.31, I won't stand for this!
Sorry, had to light a fire :P
Good evening all,
The moment you have been waiting for. The moment that NDT put up a 92ave forward* for auction.
James Podsiadly.What do they want? Well, I'm glad I asked. A late Nat pick.
Best late Nat pick wins :P
If you're lucky I might throw in one Sir Zachary Dawson to go.
Hit me ;)
Knew I shouldn't have put a time on it haha.
STOP POSTING YOU FLOWERS I CAN'T POST WHEN THERE'S NEW REPLIES.
AWWW THE RACE IS ON!
Guys don't PM me all at once pls.
nek minnit
James Podsiadly delisted.
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:47:50 PM
Knew I shouldn't have put a time on it haha.
STOP POSTING YOU FLOWERS I CAN'T POST WHEN THERE'S NEW REPLIES.
The only acceptable excuse is that you were replying to Oss' trade votes PM. >:(
give me your 3rd round pick and ill put Jpod on my list.
anyone willing to take a later pick for this handicap?
Oi, if you read properly I said you might get Dawson too.
I rushed to tune in for that
You owe me a late pick for that 5 minutes I'll never get back :P
Quote from: DazBurg on September 09, 2014, 07:51:15 PM
I rushed to tune in for that
You owe me a late pick for that 5 minutes I'll never get back :P
Hehehehe.
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 07:47:50 PM
Knew I shouldn't have put a time on it haha.
STOP POSTING YOU FLOWERS I CAN'T POST WHEN THERE'S NEW REPLIES.
You can turn that feature off in Settings. First thing I did ages ago, cant stand it!
Turning off new replies?
I'm not that cool.
flowering over hyped bullshower
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
flowering over hyped bullshower
hardcore jpod fan right here ^
fite me irl.
Calm down kiddos, there's a enough JPod to go around. Oh wait...
HP has spoken
(http://i62.tinypic.com/oif9ts.jpg)
Language pls ^ There are Torps in this thread.
Best offer for J-Pod currently stands at N4, can anyone top it!?
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 10:34:46 PM
Language pls ^ There are Torps in this thread.
Best offer for J-Pod currently stands at N4, can anyone top it!?
Now I'm regretting trading NAT 2 :(
If anyone is after a young gun then hit us up at Beijing, Brodie Grundy could be on the move. ;)
Quote from: Toga on September 09, 2014, 10:36:52 PM
If anyone is after a young gun then hit us up at Beijing, Brodie Grundy could be on the move. ;)
And who is the young gun for sale?
Judging by the amount of times you have desperately tried to flog him off, probably not Christian Salem. :)
Don't think it's really appropriate to try to talk down the value of other people's players in trading but maybe that's just my view of fairness :-X
Quote from: Toga on September 09, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
Don't think it's really appropriate to try to talk down the value of other people's players in trading but maybe that's just my view of fairness :-X
Oi Togey pls don't steal Jpods limelight :P
Grundy is one of the best young rucks in the comp (would probably be the best if it wasn't for Cal Sinclair), if I needed rucks I'd jump straight onto him.
Quote from: Jayman on September 09, 2014, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 09, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
Don't think it's really appropriate to try to talk down the value of other people's players in trading but maybe that's just my view of fairness :-X
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 10:48:36 PM
Oi Togey pls don't steal Jpods limelight :P
Haha sorry mate ;) I'm sure that good-looking chrome-domed pal will get some solid interest based on looks alone ;D :P
Quote from: Jukes on September 09, 2014, 10:48:46 PM
Grundy is one of the best young rucks in the comp (would probably be the best if it wasn't for Cal Sinclair), if I needed rucks I'd jump straight onto him.
Thank you!! 8)
im sorry if giving an unbiased and fair opinion about a player offended anyone.
i removed the other post.
this is meant to be fun. lighten up a bit.
Thanks mate, all in the name of fairness! :)
Quote from: Toga on September 09, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
Don't think it's really appropriate to try to talk down the value of other people's players in trading but maybe that's just my view of fairness :-X
Then don't bad mouth Salem :P
Then don't badmouth Grundy, kb :P
Haha, this is stalling. Grundy is on the table for the right deal ;)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 09, 2014, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 09, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
Don't think it's really appropriate to try to talk down the value of other people's players in trading but maybe that's just my view of fairness :-X
Then don't bad mouth Salem :P
Salem? More like, Bad-lem.
Boom. Grundy? More like Gun-dy
Salem will average more then Grundy next year
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
Salem will average more then Grundy next year
Then why do you wanna sell him so bad? haha
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
Salem will average more then Grundy next year
Then why do you wanna sell him so bad? haha
um cause we need a defender
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2014, 11:31:12 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 09, 2014, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 09, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
Salem will average more then Grundy next year
Then why do you wanna sell him so bad? haha
um cause we need a defender
Interesting, you seem to rate him highly so I'd advise trading someone/anyone else :P
Pick 14 of last years draft, Cam McCarthy. Any interest?
Lads, actually starting to consider trading Greene (aka Rocky 2.0). If we have discussed offers involving Toby then hit me or ele up with a reminder so we can compare all
You guys are crazy if you don't think Grundy is worth a lot. The guy is what 19 or 20? And played over 20 games?
So when do we expect the results for the first 27 lodged trades? Is there a timeframe?
Monday at latest
3 coaches to go after pothead voted
So two of the most active coaches are the ones who cant vote
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 10, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
So two of the most active coaches are the ones who cant vote
Oi its called creating suspense
Sorry lads, doing it now
I think a sufficient amount of suspense was created. Waiting on one more now!
Honey badger and my Chumps left
Any more trades confirmed/declined?
Probably but that would require me to count them
must know :'(
my 50 other talks depend on the results of these ones lol
Sorry off to work now. Will get it done this evening (maybe) ;)
#sackHB
I'm curious to see how picky some coaches are in terms of what trades get neg'd
I reckon we neg'd about 2, because even though there were trades that seemed as if one team was benefitting more than the other, the reasons they gave made sense, and sometimes you have to give up more to get what you need
#justnegd1
I negged around 8.
Ok, with only 2 coaches left to vote, I can confirm the following trades have happened
(NOTE - I haven't checked yet if any of these trades are dependent on other trades, so I'd advise people to check or wait until the final decision done on all).
Also haven't checked cap restrictions fo rthese changes.
These are the only trades with no objections, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't reject them.
Trade 7
New York Give: Anthony Morabito + Pick 80
PNL Give: Heath Grundy + Aidan Corr
Trade 8
New York Give: Courtney Dempsey + Scott Lycett
Tokyo Give: Dawson Simpson + Kurt Tippett
Trade 10
Pacific give: Brad Sheppard
London give: Rory Laird
Trade 12
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
Trade 13
New York give: Pick 44
Mexico City give: Michael Firrito
Trade 19
Dublin give: Ciaryn Sheehan + Kieran Harper
Mexico give: Daniel Currie + Pick 91
Trade 21
Toronto Trade: Ben Brown and NAT #50
Cairo Trade: Richard Douglas
Trade 22
Cairo trade: Andrew Carrazzo, Jamie Cripps and Charlie Cameron
Tokyo trade: Sam Mitchell and Pick 45
Trade 24
Pacific give: Phil Davis + pick 76
Cairo give: Michael Rischitelli + Matt Thomas
Why are all the ABMs negging our trades? :(
flowering Nails haha
4/5 Cairo trades already passed. :o :D
I haven't heard from Chumps today or yesterday for what it's worth.
Maybe I should ask for an upgrade to co-coach - might help with things getting done a tad quicker :P
Trying to work out how some of the trades not yet passed even received 1 neg :-X
Yeh it takes a hugely one sided deal for us to not pass
18 of 27 trades have received neg's?
What a joke
Think we should neg all of nails trades if he has negged 8 :P
Starting to get the impression that coaches who are negging a lot of trades are doing it most likely because they are just showery that they didnt get the players involved in the trades
I seriously hope common sense prevails here, because if so many of these trades are going to get neg'd for BS reasons then it will really flower me off
Calm down fellas. Oss said the trades that have passed had received ZERO negs. It's likely all the other trades have received 1-2 negs but are still getting PASSED.
Notice we've seen no Dildos trades either.
I think this is a good sign. If coaches are being more critical than in seasons past we're less likely to have NDT 2.0
Which is why I get 3 votes guys, trades that receive 1 or 2 votes do nothing overall.
Nothing to fret about, very confident a large majority of trades will pass
^ what Nails said
I think being critical is one thing but the way I see it:
A trade should only be negged if it extremely one sided. A team will always win a trade but the trade may suit the other teams needs. If both teams are getting what they need and improving their squad, a trade should pass. It often also costs a bit more to get big players to move.
We shouldn't be negging trades and being ridiculously harsh just because we dont want another NDT. Should be more about whether a team is improved and requirements for each squad or met for me.
Dean Cox still available for a 2nd rounder.
i like the BXV system
Ringo approves all trades or declines them if we don't like a decision we can appeal and then a trades committee decides
the WXV system just isn't right some of the coaches might not rate the player as much as others or they might not have seen him play and i doubt they consider a teams needs by looking at there list either
or you just get some coaches negging just to be pricks
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 10, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
i like the BXV system
Ringo approves all trades or declines them if we don't like a decision we can appeal and then a trades committee decides
the WXV system just isn't right some of the coaches might not rate the player as much as others or they might not have seen him play and i doubt they consider a teams needs by looking at there list either
or you just get some coaches negging just to be pricks
Remember tho...
Quote from: ossie85 on September 10, 2014, 01:55:00 PM
Which is why I get 3 votes guys, trades that receive 1 or 2 votes do nothing overall.
Quote from: Nails on September 10, 2014, 01:54:31 PM
Calm down fellas. Oss said the trades that have passed had received ZERO negs. It's likely all the other trades have received 1-2 negs but are still getting PASSED.
Quote from: Jukes on September 10, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 10, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
i like the BXV system
Ringo approves all trades or declines them if we don't like a decision we can appeal and then a trades committee decides
the WXV system just isn't right some of the coaches might not rate the player as much as others or they might not have seen him play and i doubt they consider a teams needs by looking at there list either
or you just get some coaches negging just to be pricks
And yet the BXV system ended up with the Staines Steins whose team was horrible before I took it over at the start of this year.
We've undergone major renovations in this off-season already and had a recycled draft and compo picks to even that out.
pretty silly to blame the system on that
big difference between bad trading and uneven trades
Personally, I'd like all coaches to be involved in everything. So that everyone gets a say.
Face it, if I got everything I wanted, the game would be completely different but with probably nobody playing :P
Anyways, Honey Badger the only coach left now, and these trades are now clear:
Trade 9
Beijing give: Pick #41 (International Draft)
Pacific give: Cameron Wood
Trade 11
Cairo give: Clancee Pearce, Kyle Hartigan, Lewis Johnston and Sam Kerridge
New Delhi give: Matt White, Rhys Palmer and Pick 60
Trade 14
New York give: Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang
Cape Town give: Nathan Vardy and Jamie Bennell
Trade 15
Buenos Aires Dildos trade: Shaun Burgoyne
Sao Paulo Poomas trade: Mitch Wallis
Trade 18
Pacific give: Jason Johanissen + NAT pick 41
Tokyo give: Alex Fasolo + NAT pick 81
Trade 26
Moscow trade: Jonathon Ceglar
Seoul trade: Hayden Ballantyne + Nat 28
Welcome Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang!
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
Welcome Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang!
Blicavs to New York still hasn't been confirmed, though. :-X
Quote from: JROO8 on September 10, 2014, 02:17:19 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
Welcome Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang!
Blicavs to New York still hasn't been confirmed, though. :-X
Well that would be awkward then.
If I wasn't on my phone I would link a celebratory gif.
#winning ;D
McDonald trade still hadn't passed. :P ::)
distinct lack of Dublin trades in the ones passed soo far
#Dublinfear
Delivering on my OP.
(http://d12edgf4lwbh8j.cloudfront.net/photo/image/NOH.gif)
That's me on the left and ML on the right. ;)
Hey lads just so you know if anyone would like to throw a pick at us for any of the following players at Cape Town then we would consider a straight swap deal.
James Gwilt
Lewis Pierce
Ryan O'Keefe
Josh Cowan
Peter Yagmoor
Billie Smedts
Campbell Heath
Matthew Dick
Michael Evans
Jordan Schroder
Alex Sexton
Hit me up with a PM if you are keen.
Yagmoor got delisted
Fun Fact, courtesy of The Bounce - There are now no Peter's on an AFL list :o
Enter "Two Meter" Peter Wright! ;)
Down at Pacific we're looking for a solid forward. Have a bunch of guys to offer and would be willing to package some together to get a deal done.
Claye Beams, Tim Mohr, Rhys Stanley, Tom Bugg, Andy Otten, Harry Cunningham, Lindsay Thomas, Cam McCarthy and Dean Terlich.
Let me know if you're interested in any of those fine young gentleman.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 10, 2014, 11:44:02 PM
Yagmoor got delisted
Fun Fact, courtesy of The Bounce - There are now no Peter's on an AFL list :o
I am aware of this. Gwilt got delisted too and ROK will probably get delisted too - if anyone thinks they might get picked up and wants to gamble on them and give us a late pick then we'd take one.
Letting all coaches know:
It is highly likely that forward Dale Thomas will be leaving the Cobras this trade period after two unsuccessful seasons that have been ravaged by injury. However we're not just going to throw him away and want the best deal possible for him, so send myself and/or Memph your offers.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 10, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 10, 2014, 11:44:02 PM
Yagmoor got delisted
Fun Fact, courtesy of The Bounce - There are now no Peter's on an AFL list :o
I am aware of this. Gwilt got delisted too and ROK will probably get delisted too - if anyone thinks they might get picked up and wants to gamble on them and give us a late pick then we'd take one.
ROK
has been delisted.
Trade 1
Buenos Aires give: Michael Barlow + Jarryd Lyons
Pacific give: NAT Picks 2 + 4 + 22 + 58
Votes Against: 2
Coach comments: The 2 that voted against thought it was too much in favour of Buenos Aires.
Admin Comment: Honestly thought that this would get more heat, either for the fact that Buenos Aires are giving away two of its less geriatric players, or the fact the Islanders are giving up almost all its picks! I probably would've passed it though had it gone through to me, but it would've been a tough decision.
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 2
New York Give: Harley Bennell + Aaron Black + Will Hoskin-Elliott + Craig Moller
Dublin Give: Michael Walters + Josh Green + Pick 21 + Pick 39 + Pick 57
Votes Against: 5
Coach comments: The coaches that voted against thought that Harley Bennell's worth is being understated in this trade. While recognising that New York needs forwards, they were concerned that New York are giving away too much.
Admin Comment: I'm a huge Harley Bennell fan, and I think is even a sneaky chance (not likely) of forward status next year. Feel this trade is a 1 step forward, 2 steps back kind of deal for New York. I vote against.
Final Result: REJECTED. New York needs to lower price.
Trade 3
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and 4th Round Pick
London trade: Joe Daniher
Votes Against: 14
Coach comments: Overwhelming response from coaches, feeling that Daniher's potential and younger age far outweighs Sinclair's potential.
Admin Comment: Have to agree with the coaches. You've gotta look at AFL results and age, and Daniher's are superior on both counts. Recognise that London need a ruck, but Sinclair isn't a slam dunk in that regards.
Final Result: REJECTED. Moscow paying too low a price for Daniher.
Trade 4
New York Give: Allen Christensen + Pick 26
Mexico City Give: Mark Blicavs + Jarrad Waite + Jed Adcock + Pick 73
Votes Against: 2
Coach comments: The 2 that voted against believe it is heavily based in New York's favour.
Admin Comments: I like this trade, boosters up one side with some temp fixes, and youthens another. Would have passed if I had the say.
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 5
Seoul trade: Pick 10 and Eli Templeton
New York trade: Trent McKenzie and Jed Anderson
Votes Against: 3
Coach comments: A belief here that New York are being underdone here by the 3 coaches who voted against. Particularly thinking that McKenzie will return to form after injury concerns.
Admin comments: Thought about this one hard, I also think that McKenzie is a better player. Anderson/Templeton you could argue cancel each other out, while McKenzie for Pick 10 could also be argued the same. I'll let it pass, tentatively.
FINAL RESULT: PASSED
Trade 6
New York Give: Pick 8 + Pick 21 (from Dublin) + Shaun Atley
Buenos Aires Give: Steve Johnson
Voted against: 6
Coach comments: Believe New York are paying too much for an old Steve Johnson.
Admin comments: Inclined to believe that effectively giving up 3 young players for Steve Johnson is too much. Would probably have rejected it, but it was going to get rejected anyway because of the Trade 2 reject.
Final Result: REJECTED. Twice. Once based on the fact that Trade 2 was rejected, with New York no longer having Pick 21. The other that it was voted against by the coaches.
Trade 7
New York Give: Anthony Morabito + Pick 80
PNL Give: Heath Grundy + Aidan Corr
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: Fine
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 8
New York Give: Courtney Dempsey + Scott Lycett
Tokyo Give: Dawson Simpson + Kurt Tippett
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: A big trade this one, but not controversial at all!
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 9
Beijing give: Pick #41 (International Draft)
Pacific give: Cameron Wood
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believed that Cam Wood was worth a lot more than pick #41
Admin comments: Think a fair bargain given job security issues when Kreuzer comes back
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 10
Pacific give: Brad Sheppard
London give: Rory Laird
Voted against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: Meh
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 11
Cairo give: Clancee Pearce, Kyle Hartigan, Lewis Johnston and Sam Kerridge
New Delhi give: Matt White, Rhys Palmer and Pick 60
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believe Clancee Pearce and Sam Kerridge have too much potential for this price
Admin comments: Spud trading is tasty
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 12
Cairo give: Nick Malceski, Seb Tape and Pick 49
PNL give: Chris Dawes, Matt Thomas and Pick 33
Votes against: 1
Coach comment: Malceski's value huge according to the 1 coach that rejected it
Admin comments: No real issue, think this trade has a clear winner, but not enough to do anything about it
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 13
New York give: Pick 44
Mexico City give: Michael Firrito
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! (jokes)
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 14
New York give: Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang
Cape Town give: Nathan Vardy and Jamie Bennell
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Coach rejected it based on it being a 'nothing' trade
Admin comments: None
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 15
Buenos Aires Dildos trade: Shaun Burgoyne
Sao Paulo Poomas trade: Mitch Wallis
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Wallis youth believed to be worth more in this trade
Admin comments: Seems a win win
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 16
New York give: Pick 10, Tom Nicholls and Ben Griffiths
New Dehli give: Mitch Duncan and Pick 24
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Of the 2 coaches, one thought New York won by too much, the other thought New Delhi won by too much
Admin comments: Not a huge fan of this one really, kind of think Duncan is a superstar in the making, but fine.
Final Result: PASSED
Trade 17
Dublin trade: Charlie Dixon + Jack Watts
Berlin trade: Dayne Zorko + Pick 12
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Believe that Berlin are giving away far too much
Admin comments: A risky trade in my opinion, but could pay off. Also think Berlin giving away a lot. Reminds me a bit like the Clark/Fyfe for Dal Santo/Franklin (and other players in it also) trade. Berlin desperately needed more Melbourne players :P
Final result: PASSED
Trade 18
Pacific give: Jason Johanissen + NAT pick 41
Tokyo give: Alex Fasolo + NAT pick 81
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believe that Johanissen is worth far more than Fasolo, meaning pick swap doesn't make sense
Admin comments: No real issue, also think a clear winner
Final result: PASSED
Trade 19
Dublin give: Ciaryn Sheehan + Kieran Harper
Mexico give: Daniel Currie + Pick 91
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 20
Moscow trade: Heath Shaw
New York trade: Luke McDonald and David Armitage
Votes against: 5
Coach comments: A strong belief that Heath Shaw at his age isn't worth McDonald's youth and potential, let alone the addition of Armitage.
Admin comments: This is a very tough one. New York have gone short term fix for the loss of a star player with potential like McDonald. Might be controversial, but think the trade is too one sided. Think either Armitage needs to be removed, or something added for Heath Shaw.
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 21
Toronto Trade: Ben Brown and NAT #50
Cairo Trade: Richard Douglas
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: Confused that roo boys traded out a North Melbourne player
Final result: PASSED
Trade 22
Cairo trade: Andrew Carrazzo, Jamie Cripps and Charlie Cameron
Tokyo trade: Sam Mitchell and Pick 45
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: Interesting trade this one, thought it would have some nays, fine with me. Think one side a clear winner
Final result: PASSED
Trade 23
Dublin trade: Robbie Gray
Moscow trade: Dustin Martin
Votes against: 3
Coach comments: Some coaches irritated that his seemed a nothing trade with no team gaining.
Admin comments: Seems a fair trade, so why not.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 24
Pacific give: Phil Davis + pick 76
Cairo give: Michael Rischitelli + Matt Thomas
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: Think a win-win
Final result: PASSED
Trade 25
Mexico City Suns give: Biggs + Cutler + Lemmens
Buenos Aires Dildos give: Scott D. Thompson + Pick #36
Votes against: 3
Coach comments: Believe that Scott Thompson is worth more than what is on offer.
Admin comments: Not hugely confident on this one myself, but will begrudgingly let it pass
Final result: PASSED
Trade 26
Moscow trade: Jonathon Ceglar
Seoul trade: Hayden Ballantyne + Nat 28
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believed this heavily favoured to Moscow
Admin comments: Think this is a one sided trade personally, but not enough to neg even if I wanted to.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 27
Seoul Give: Gibbs
Seoul Recieve: Jack Ziebell + Aaron Black + Nat 12
Toronto Give: Jack Ziebell
Toronto Recieve: David Mundy + Nat 75
Dublin Give: David Mundy + Aaron Black + Nat 12 + Nat 75
Dublin Get: Bryce Gibbs
Votes Against: 4
Coach comments: Believe that Seoul give up way too much.
Admin comments: My issue with this trade is not so much that Seoul are giving away a lot (I think it is fair), but I think Ziebell/Mundy is a bit uneven. I probably would have let it through in the end though, but....
Final Result: REJECTED, based on the fact Trade 2 was rejected with Aaron Black not actually at Dublin.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 03:31:59 PM
Trade 14
New York give: Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang
Cape Town give: Nathan Vardy and Jamie Bennell
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Coach rejected it based on it being a 'nothing' trade
Trade 23
Dublin trade: Robbie Gray
Moscow trade: Dustin Martin
Votes against: 3
Coach comments: Some coaches irritated that his seemed a nothing trade with no team gaining.
Admin comments: Seems a fair trade, so why not.
Final result: PASSED
Great that these two trades passed but to the coaches who negged them - are you flowering serious?
You negged trades just because they don't seem to benefit any team or in your opinion are 'nothing trades'?
In my opinion there should be no way on earth that you should vote against a fair trade because of that reason.
Seriously wtf?
Rather intrigued by the comments on our trades. :P
so coaches rejected the Dusty/Gray trade because nobody loses or gains anything?
wtf
Trades should only be rejected if they are grossly one sided :-\
Lord ossie85 should solely rule on trades.
Should hopefully stop most of the doging. 8)
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2014, 03:51:43 PM
Trades should only be rejected if they are grossly one sided :-\
And I think the trades that were actually rejected, were significantly one sided.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 03:56:02 PM
Lord ossie85 should solely rule on trades.
Should hopefully stop most of the doging. 8)
I want all coaches to have a say in the future of the comp, and I don't want the drama all on me!
that's why you get a trades committee ossie so people can appeal your decision if they not happy then the committee decides
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2014, 03:51:43 PM
Trades should only be rejected if they are grossly one sided :-\
And I think the trades that were actually rejected, were significantly one sided.
Sorry rejected was the wrong word, meant negged.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 03:56:02 PM
Lord ossie85 should solely rule on trades.
Should hopefully stop most of the doging. 8)
I want all coaches to have a say in the future of the comp, and I don't want the drama all on me!
Well, if the admin rules on the decision, then there won't be shower between coaches saying 'wtf, you rejected this because x and this guy should have passed because y'.
If they don't like the job the admin is doing, then either there's no comp or you should hand it over to them for a while and see how they cope. :P
What's wrong with the way its run now? Has been working fine. Just people complaining sometimes but that will happen no matter what the system is
flower this shower, why would you neg a trade that isn't completely one-sided that all FOUR coaches involved are happy with. Pathetic form you spuds/ The Daniher one was acceptable I guess but the second to be negged was beyond belief
I bet if I was losing them you'd be only too happy to pass those trades
Quote from: Jukes on September 09, 2014, 03:08:06 PM
Ok then if that trade is uneven, I'm going to neg every non-moscow trade from now on.
And I thought I was mad when I said this!
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
Just people complaining sometimes but that will happen no matter what the system is
That's pretty much my point haha.
It seems like no matter what happen there's always at least one person who wants to dog and moan about something even if it's the smallest thing.
People are carrying on over negged/rejected trades, get over it. Just renegotiate it, it's not difficult... especially since you obviously spent even the smallest amount of time arranging the deal to begin with.
Let it be known that we neg'd 2 trades
That's it - Just 2, and one of them was the Daniher one which Jukes has since improved
Flowering joke how many trades got neg'd, especially how many of ours, and the flow on impact it has made
What a waste of time
Agree, the system needs to be changed
Do you think North Melbourne get a say in terms of what trade Collingwood and Hawthorn comes to terms with?
As long as there is no tanking, then other coaches shouldnt have a say over trades they are not involved in, IMO of course :P
Pls.
Wonder who negd the Johannison trade? :P
#onlynegdDaniher
I think the system is fine, I'd say it's obvious to Oz when people are negging for unsatisfactory reasons.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 04:14:47 PM
Pls.
Please nothing
5 trades where neg'd, and 3 of them involved us, which has undone everything
The amount of hours and time spent, all for nothing.
Hopefully we can make some minor tweaks to get them through
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 04:14:47 PM
Pls.
Please nothing
5 trades where neg'd, and 3 of them involved us, which has undone everything
The amount of hours and time spent, all for nothing.
Hopefully we can make some minor tweaks to get them through
Welcome to WXVs mate, this shower happens.
sorry RD but i think the Bennell and Hoskin-Elliot trade was right to get rejected
both will be forwards you could have gotten much more
Bennell being a forward is a bit iffy, he should be... but they still probably won't give it to him.
The Heath Shaw one getting neg'd for his age baffles me
He just signed what, a 4 or 5 year deal at GWS and is only 1 year in?
That trade should not be neg'd at all
We may have paid over for Stevie J, but we are happy to do that based on our teams needs
I want to know who neg'd the Armitage trade...disgrace.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
sorry RD but i think the Bennell and Hoskin-Elliot trade was right to get rejected
both will be forwards you could have gotten much more
Bennell will be a mid long term. New York is doing a good job and having a long term plan while also picking up a premium forward next year. This isnt a 1 year comp
Also Bennell is likely getting DPP if he doesnt can I than say this trade is massively one sided against me.
Walters is around a 90 forward that puts him in the 15th-20th best forward in the comp. As a mid only bennell needs to average around 107 yet averages 97. Also I added a first rounder. If anything I overpaid for his possible 1 year DPP.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 11, 2014, 04:21:17 PM
The Heath Shaw one getting neg'd for his age baffles me
He just signed what, a 4 or 5 year deal at GWS and is only 1 year in?
That trade should not be neg'd at all
We may have paid over for Stevie J, but we are happy to do that based on our teams needs
Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 11, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
I want to know who neg'd the Armitage trade...disgrace.
Well oss did, whatcha gonna do about it?
People negging nothing trades is a flowering joke.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Why don't we all just trade with Cairo then? Our trades always go through.
#NoCairoNoTrade
Quote from: Holzman on September 11, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
sorry RD but i think the Bennell and Hoskin-Elliot trade was right to get rejected
both will be forwards you could have gotten much more
Bennell will be a mid long term. New York is doing a good job and having a long term plan while also picking up a premium forward next year. This isnt a 1 year comp
a premium forward?
Walters averaged 78 and Green averaged 66
so who is the premium forward?
Quote from: MajorLazer on September 11, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Why don't we all just trade with Cairo then? Our trades always go through.
#NoCairoNoTrade
and the Gibbs trade is funny cause some people thought Seoul was laughing all the way to the bank with that one and so did we
So much bants!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 11, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
sorry RD but i think the Bennell and Hoskin-Elliot trade was right to get rejected
both will be forwards you could have gotten much more
Bennell will be a mid long term. New York is doing a good job and having a long term plan while also picking up a premium forward next year. This isnt a 1 year comp
a premium forward?
Walters averaged 78 and Green averaged 66
so who is the premium forward?
If people value walters as a 78 forward to be honest they shouldnt be allowed to vote. Do abit of research and see if he is worth a 78 forward.
this is why Mckenzie trade got passed. This was the worst trade for the worlds this year and probably one of the worst trades I have seen in any XV comp I have played in 3 years.
Quote from: elephants on September 11, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
So much bants!
This is pretty much how you know it's the off-season. 8)
Quote from: Vinny on September 11, 2014, 04:26:37 PM
People negging nothing trades is a flowering joke.
This is what I have an issue with too.
Fair enough if you have a valid reason to neg a trade but because it's a 'nothing trade' is ridiculous.
yeah well the Bennell one is one of the worst i have seen
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 04:33:34 PM
yeah well the Bennell one is one of the worst i have seen
would love a logical and statics based reason for that.
because I can mount a very strong case that I overpaid.
Quote from: elephants on September 11, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
So much bants!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp4PdKVIEAArQML.jpg:large)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 11, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 11, 2014, 04:26:37 PM
People negging nothing trades is a flowering joke.
This is what I have an issue with too.
Fair enough if you have a valid reason to neg a trade but because it's a 'nothing trade' is ridiculous.
Mm, nothing wrong with the system, people just seem to be abusing it.
"Irritated because it was a nothing trade.''
flower off.
So our SJ trade got neg'd, because people thought we paid too much offering Picks 8 and 21 I think it was, but Pacific offering picks 2, 4 and 20 for Barlow is fine and gets passed
LOL
Quote from: Holzman on September 11, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 04:33:34 PM
yeah well the Bennell one is one of the worst i have seen
would love a logical and statics based reason for that.
because I can mount a very strong case that I overpaid.
Remove WHE from one side and Pick 57 from the other and the trade is fine imo.
Bennell and WHE will both be premo guns. Walters is a gun but Black is not and I doubt he ever will be.
Jed Anderson > Templeton and TMac > Pick 10 imo as well but the promise of who your could get with Pick 10 and how they could develop is enough that I think if I had a vote (I don't being an assistant) I would maybe just pass that one.
We gave Pick 10 for McKenzie because that pick allowed us to get Duncan
So many subjective posts, I can't even.
To accurately reflect my thoughts on all of this, here's my Michael Jordan.
(http://x1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/This+is+one+of+the+few+really+clever+facebook+posts+_fa30bdf9bbb8a1f78d19d51c869437ab.gif)
Stop complaining >:( Oss made the right calls on all the trades.
At the end of the day, the fair trades were passed and the trades that majorly disadvantaged one side were rejected.
Hope all weeks aren't as controversial as this over the trade period ::)
Quote from: elephants on September 11, 2014, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 11, 2014, 04:36:44 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 11, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
So much bants!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp4PdKVIEAArQML.jpg:large)
;D
Quote from: Jayman on September 11, 2014, 04:49:29 PM
Stop complaining >:( Oss made the right calls on all the trades.
At the end of the day, the fair trades were passed and the trades that majorly disadvantaged one side were rejected.
Hope all weeks aren't as controversial as this over the trade period ::)
I think the right decisions have been made.
I feel for RD/AK though, obviously they would've put a lot of effort in to get trades done and now half have been rejected.
i dont have the time to renegotiate the trades.
they are all fair and equitable.
waste of time over this bs.
pass them as is or i will resign.
want to keep us down the bottom. disgraceful.
You must look at every trade as a collective and not individually.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 11, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
i dont have the time to renegotiate the trades.
they are all fair and equitable.
waste of time over this bs.
pass them as is or i will resign.
want to keep us down the bottom. disgraceful.
lol, see ya.
Please tell me you are kidding AK, Os isn't going to be blackmailed.
That's not how things work man.
We aren't going to let trades pass just cos AK
Some trades went your way (The McKenzie and Duncan ones weren't wihtout doubters). You win some, and lose some.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 11, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
i dont have the time to renegotiate the trades.
they are all fair and equitable.
waste of time over this bs.
pass them as is or i will resign.
want to keep us down the bottom. disgraceful.
You must look at every trade as a collective and not individually.
mate seriously i get you upset but you cannot threaten to quit every time something goes against you
is the shaw one should of passed then it is fair to say Cairo got ripped off only getting dawes and thomas for Eski (only 1 year older but also averaged 10 ppg more)
so on that basis if you think the shaw one is fair i'll offer eski but i need armitage + mcdonald + a pick since eski is statistically better :P
Quote from: DazBurg on September 11, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 11, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
i dont have the time to renegotiate the trades.
they are all fair and equitable.
waste of time over this bs.
pass them as is or i will resign.
want to keep us down the bottom. disgraceful.
You must look at every trade as a collective and not individually.
mate seriously i get you upset but you cannot threaten to quit every time something goes against you
is the shaw one should of passed then it is fair to say Cairo got ripped off only getting dawes and thomas for Eski (only 1 year older but also averaged 10 ppg more)
so on that basis if you think the shaw one is fair i'll offer eski but i need armitage + mcdonald + a pick since eski is statistically better :P
Daz, AK doesn't have time to negotiate trades. :-\
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 11, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 11, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
i dont have the time to renegotiate the trades.
they are all fair and equitable.
waste of time over this bs.
pass them as is or i will resign.
want to keep us down the bottom. disgraceful.
You must look at every trade as a collective and not individually.
mate seriously i get you upset but you cannot threaten to quit every time something goes against you
is the shaw one should of passed then it is fair to say Cairo got ripped off only getting dawes and thomas for Eski (only 1 year older but also averaged 10 ppg more)
so on that basis if you think the shaw one is fair i'll offer eski but i need armitage + mcdonald + a pick since eski is statistically better :P
Daz, AK doesn't have time to negotiate trades. :-\
why not?
the draft is tomorrow is it?
considering technically trade week only been open a week
rd can re negotiate rrades. i seriously dont have the time to pour into this until the end of november when tax season slows down.
lol
I honestly think everyone should just step away from the XV boards for the rest of today and get back into it tomorrow morning. Far too much aggro going on, everyone just needs to chill.
Quote from: Nails on September 11, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
lol
Except Nails apparently haha
Quote from: elephants on September 11, 2014, 05:55:41 PM
I honestly think everyone should just step away from the XV boards for the rest of today and get back into it tomorrow morning. Far too much aggro going on, everyone just needs to chill.
Quote from: Nails on September 11, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
lol
Except Nails apparently haha
All good gents
I got this
So, we had 3 trades neg. I am just coming up wiith what tweaks can be made to get them passed
I will contact the coaches involved in those 3 trades shortly
You people who think you're so good because all your trades passed can get off your high horses right now
hopefully by the time.i get home at 7pm i will have calmed down.
Rd has calmed.down and will start to re negotiate the deals now.
Quote from: Jukes on September 11, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
You people who think you're so good because all your trades passed can get off your high horses right now
You people who are losing it over a game on the internet need to chill the flower out right now.
Quote from: Jukes on September 11, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
You people who think you're so good because all your trades passed can get off your high horses right now
I'm actually quite comfy and I don't even like horses. :P
Passion is good gents at least
Alright Alright
Some of us (cough Me) reacted a little out of hand, and I have since calmed down, and I apologise
I have sent the coaches new proposals to get our deals through. Proposals that I think shouldnt have a problem passing now
Soooo anyway
ZDawson for a 110 ave premo anyone? Don't all pm me at once
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2014, 06:04:11 PM
Soooo anyway
ZDawson for a 110 ave premo anyone? Don't all pm me at once
flowering hell Rico, I hate it when people make me offers I can't refuse. ::) :(
Ak and RD the only thing I really criticize is you both have the same display pic
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 06:05:24 PM
Ak and RD the only thing I really criticize is you both have the same display pic
I know lol, it actually gets really confusing :P
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 06:05:24 PM
Ak and RD the only thing I really criticize is you both have the same display pic
haha yeh flower thats annoying
Need to get a Home and an Away strip! One can wear each :P
LOL yeah I bet it is
AK can change his because I made it :P - I like the idea of home and away JB!
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2014, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 06:05:24 PM
Ak and RD the only thing I really criticize is you both have the same display pic
haha yeh flower thats annoying
+1 dunno who is talking half the time
Quote from: DazBurg on September 11, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2014, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 06:05:24 PM
Ak and RD the only thing I really criticize is you both have the same display pic
haha yeh flower thats annoying
+1 dunno who is talking half the time
It's driving me insane haha.
Quote from: Jukes on September 11, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
You people who think you're so good because all your trades passed can get off your high horses right now
Ok I'll jump on my shetland pony instead. 8)
Quote from: MajorLazer on September 11, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 11, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
You people who think you're so good because all your trades passed can get off your high horses right now
Ok I'll jump on my shetland pony instead. 8)
Can confirm that ML has one. :P
That's going to get negged.
Quote from: Nails on September 11, 2014, 06:49:17 PM
That's going to get negged.
I know, because none of the coaches give a shower about the comp and/or struggling teams and are only concerned about making their team awesome and competitive. :)
Worth noting Cairo are going for Giants ruck. Strong tactic
So Rory Lobb = Malceski + Rischatelli?
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 06:51:29 PM
Worth noting Cairo are going for Giants ruck. Strong tactic
Following Purps' lead with the Demons ruck set.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 06:53:23 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 06:51:29 PM
Worth noting Cairo are going for Giants ruck. Strong tactic
Following Purps' lead with the Demons ruck set.
When it comes to rucks I prefer I stick my fingers in many honey pots and see what fits...
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 11, 2014, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 06:53:23 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 11, 2014, 06:51:29 PM
Worth noting Cairo are going for Giants ruck. Strong tactic
Following Purps' lead with the Demons ruck set.
When it comes to rucks I prefer I stick my fingers in many honey pots and see what fits...
Not sure if Honey Badger or Winnie the Pooh.
(Oss should probs move these posts to a different thread :-[)
Quote from: NigeyS on September 11, 2014, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Nails on September 11, 2014, 06:49:17 PM
That's going to get negged.
I know, because none of the coaches give a shower about the comp and/or struggling teams and are only concerned about making their team awesome and competitive. :)
*shakes fist ferociously*
That deal is worse than some of the trades that have been negged.
I understand Beijing are going to be helped massively but there needs to be a little bit of equity added. Maybe a draft pick from Beijing as well to even it up a bit?
I am home now, having some dinner and have calmed down. Long busy week at work
I apologize for my posts before. I accept the SJ and Shaw deals were too strong in what we gave away
The NY deal with Dublin has got me stuffed how it is not passed and the Burgoyne/Wallis deal was passed unopposed (we were the team that negged it, Wallis is still not a regular at the dogs and Burgoyne is a XV starter at any team)
Bennell for Walters (at 90-100 avg fwd) + a first round pick is reasonable
The rest is a swap of players who either are not in our best XV or will not be on our list
Green gets a game each week and the picks are beneficial to trade for others.
Dublin get Bennell and some solid cover players.
Dunno how we can get that done by giving less saying we spend 2-3 months going to and from and having other coaches from other teams look at it to get guidance to see if it would pass or not.
Anyway I apologise for before but i'm still a little bit annoyed.
you seem to be underrating Hoskin-Elliot some say he could be as good as Fyfe
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
you seem to be underrating Hoskin-Elliot some say he could be as good as Fyfe
Some say Zac Dawson could be as good as Fyfe if he was released into the midfield where he should be played!
Quote from: elephants on September 11, 2014, 07:33:41 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
you seem to be underrating Hoskin-Elliot some say he could be as good as Fyfe
Some say Zac Dawson could be as good as Fyfe if he was released into the midfield where he should be played!
Tell it preacher!
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 11, 2014, 07:28:49 PMthe Burgoyne/Wallis deal was passed unopposed (we were the team that negged it, Wallis is still not a regular at the dogs and Burgoyne is a XV starter at any team)
Don't see what you have against that deal. As ossie said it's a win win with me getting short term scoring for 1 season and nails getting long term scoring for his young approach.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
you seem to be underrating Hoskin-Elliot some say he could be as good as Fyfe
in 3 years from 39 games he has has 20+ touches twice.
in Fyfe's first 39 games he has 20+ touches 25 times.
WHE is a solid player who would not be in our best XV as a mid, we got a fair deal.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 11, 2014, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
you seem to be underrating Hoskin-Elliot some say he could be as good as Fyfe
in 3 years from 39 games he has has 20+ touches twice.
in Fyfe's first 39 games he has 20+ touches 25 times.
WHE is a solid player who would not be in our best XV as a mid, we got a fair deal.
but he will most likely get DPP
Even though I was happy with the original trade maybe if you take WHE and one of the picks out the other coaches might look more favourably on it?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 07:44:52 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 11, 2014, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
you seem to be underrating Hoskin-Elliot some say he could be as good as Fyfe
in 3 years from 39 games he has has 20+ touches twice.
in Fyfe's first 39 games he has 20+ touches 25 times.
WHE is a solid player who would not be in our best XV as a mid, we got a fair deal.
but he will most likely get DPP
Still would not be in our best XV. Not ahead of Tippett, Duncan (could well get DPP), Cloke and Walters (once we finish that deal)
91 average, Sam Gibson is available to anyone looking for a solid mid. The best offer come a few days from now will get his services.
Ok, go!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2014, 07:46:56 PM
Even though I was happy with the original trade maybe if you take WHE and one of the picks out the other coaches might look more favourably on it?
This.
Remove WHE from your side and Pick 57 from the other side and it's fair imo.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 11, 2014, 03:58:47 PM
that's why you get a trades committee ossie so people can appeal your decision if they not happy then the committee decides
I don't mind this if the committee had no affiliation with any team in Worlds.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 11, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
What's wrong with the way its run now? Has been working fine. Just people complaining sometimes but that will happen no matter what the system is
This is normal though, kinda get use to it. And people complain when teams get destroyed, complain when stronger teams get stronger, yet when they are negged to stop this, people complain. Just no winners.
On the plus side, PNL fairly solid with the cap issues. Still got some depth we can shop but plenty of time for that when people start looking for fillers later in the period to slot into some gaps :).
Looking for some late picks.
Willing to give up these spuds:
Daniel Pearce
James Strauss
Josh Prudden
Tim McGenniss
Brent Moloney :P
Dylan Addison
Cameron Hitchcock
Daniel Merrett
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 11, 2014, 08:40:28 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 11, 2014, 07:46:56 PM
Even though I was happy with the original trade maybe if you take WHE and one of the picks out the other coaches might look more favourably on it?
This.
Remove WHE from your side and Pick 57 from the other side and it's fair imo.
I dont think its fair at all.
With how highly people are rating bennell i think people should start offering up their best player for him.
At the end of the 2015 season, I think we should ban trading. :P
What did I miss? :P
After long discussions with Dublin we cannot work out a revised deal which suits both sides.
Bennell and WHE on the table for trade.
You think they are worth more than we were going to get than put your money where your mouth is :-X
Message RD if you are interested
Looking for 90+ average forwards and a 90+ average defender.
Bennell will probably be a forward next year ???
Quote from: nrich102 on September 12, 2014, 07:07:33 AM
Bennell will probably be a forward next year ???
Not only looking at next year man. However I'm unsure that he will get DPP.
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 12, 2014, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 12, 2014, 07:07:33 AM
Bennell will probably be a forward next year ???
Not only looking at next year man. However I'm unsure that he will get DPP.
He got it midway through the year in AF, so I assume he'll get it in SC.
Quote from: Holzman on September 12, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 12, 2014, 07:12:44 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 12, 2014, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 12, 2014, 07:07:33 AM
Bennell will probably be a forward next year ???
Not only looking at next year man. However I'm unsure that he will get DPP.
He got it midway through the year in AF, so I assume he'll get it in SC.
Just a heads up, certainly wouldn't go of AF they have clue what they are doing. They have NDS as a back don't see that happening. Some other questionable ones too.
They base it off players' heat maps, so it seems pretty reliable.
Guys,
I am getting heaps of enquiries about Bennell and WHE, and as I have said to everyone who has enquired, I am taking them off the table for the next 24 hours or so
We are working on another deal that doesnt involve either of them, but will have impacts on our team, so until that deal gets done, Bennell and WHE are sitting put
I think theres a good chance our deal will get done, and then these guys will most likely be on the table, but until that deals gets done, we wont know what we need in return for these 2 blokes
I will update everyone when Bennell and WHE are or are not available, and what type of player we would be wanting in return
Quote from: Jayman on September 11, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
91 average, Sam Gibson is available to anyone looking for a solid mid. The best offer come a few days from now will get his services.
Ok, go!
Alrighty, it looks like he's on the move for a package of draft picks. So if you liked what you saw last night, get in before it's too late ;)
Paul Duffield and Josh J Kennedy look likely to be traded soon!
Get your foot in the door now if your interested!
Well I might as well post it up, but looks like Chris Masten will be on the move after being deemed surplus to requirements. Looking for the highest draft pick possible :)
Well, after the realisation followed by research that suggests Sam Mitchell won't be a defender next year, we're still on the look out for a defender we can start. Willing to part with our first round draft pick (13).
Quote from: NigeyS on September 13, 2014, 10:02:10 AM
Well, after the realisation followed by research that suggests Sam Mitchell won't be a defender next year, we're still on the look out for a defender we can start. Willing to part with our first round draft pick (13).
eski for 13? :P
i kid i kid ...lol
Quote from: DazBurg on September 13, 2014, 10:16:03 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 13, 2014, 10:02:10 AM
Well, after the realisation followed by research that suggests Sam Mitchell won't be a defender next year, we're still on the look out for a defender we can start. Willing to part with our first round draft pick (13).
eski for 13? :P
i kid i kid ...lol
Didn't trade him out to trade him back in Dazburger. :P
Pick 8 is available for a good young kid
Pick 8 + old premium available for a great young kid.
I'll take a NAT pick for any of Luke Brown, Terry Milera, Kyle Hardingham and Dean Terlich.
No world-beaters there, but for a team looking for some depth could be handy :)
memph or MC reply to my pm's lol
Quote from: DazBurg on September 14, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
memph or MC reply to my pm's lol
Which PMs? I'll have another look then.
Half the votes in already guys, well done
Oss, but it's the best key backman in the league in that trade!!!
Btw, I see that Berlin are going after a premiership straight away :o. Certainly hurt themselves a little around the grounds but to land Treloar, why not :o :o.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 15, 2014, 01:18:16 PM
Oss, but it's the best key backman in the league in that trade!!!
Btw, I see that Berlin are going after a premiership straight away :o. Certainly hurt themselves a little around the grounds but to land Treloar, why not :o :o.
I really want to cement myself in the eight at the very minimum.
I don't think I'll trade in another midfielder for like the next 7 years when I have (pending Treloar) Fyfe, Steven, Crouch and Treloar >:D
Also, monty and wells as M5 and M6, with Conca and Viney representing Rhineland until they retire 8)
That, or I get another defender with them :P
Looking for old mid or def premiums if anyone has any available send me a message.
Looking for a quality young mid to boost our starting midfield and possibly provide a captain option.
Happy to throw around Pick 1 and other decent players.
PM Toga and myself :)
Purps definitely done the best so far out of this trade period. Beijing have made some handy acquisitions too!
I agree, I think Purps is doing a great job. I like what Chumps and Cape Town are doing too.
How can you all not be amazed by the 1 trade I have made so far? :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 15, 2014, 01:18:16 PM
Oss, but it's the best key backman in the league in that trade!!!
Btw, I see that Berlin are going after a premiership straight away :o. Certainly hurt themselves a little around the grounds but to land Treloar, why not :o :o.
I really want to cement myself in the eight at the very minimum.
I don't think I'll trade in another midfielder for like the next 7 years when I have (pending Treloar) Fyfe, Steven, Crouch and Treloar >:D
Also, monty and wells as M5 and M6, with Conca and Viney representing Rhineland until they retire 8)
That, or I get another defender with them :P
Enright for Viney? :P That midfield is looking scary as all are still young :o. Pretty much a beastly core to build around :(.
Quote from: Master Q on September 15, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
I agree, I think Purps is doing a great job. I like what Chumps, Memph and Cape Town are doing too.
Fixed ;) #BehindTheScenes
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 15, 2014, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 15, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
I agree, I think Purps is doing a great job. I like what Chumps, Memph and Cape Town are doing too.
Fixed ;) #BehindTheScenes
Gotta thank Memph for most of the trades so far.
Cheers guys :) suffice to say all my trades can blow up in my face too :P
Would be very interested to see some best XVs atm...
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 15, 2014, 06:34:17 PM
Cheers guys :) suffice to say all my trades can blow up in my face too :P
Mainly the Daisy one :P.
Yeah Purps has done very nicely.
For the record think Daisy will improve plenty next season. He started to unleash as more of a midfielder in those last two weeks and looked to have his running back. 101 and 123, then got injured but nothing to do with his past troubles. Another pre-season will do him well. But at the same time, he could get injury and not play so yeah. :P
Quote from: Nige on September 15, 2014, 06:35:26 PM
Would be very interested to see some best XVs atm...
New York will look very different, and much more stronger :)
I'd say only McKenzie and Treloar (pending) were the 2 good kids we traded out, but we have got much more in return in terms of fielding a solid starting team now, so we feel like it's worth it, although painful to see them go!
I look forward to posting up the new team at the completion of the trade period :)
Quote from: Vinny on September 15, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
Yeah Purps has done very nicely.
For the record think Daisy will improve plenty next season. He started to unleash as more of a midfielder in those last two weeks and looked to have his running back. 101 and 123, then got injured but nothing to do with his past troubles. Another pre-season will do him well. But at the same time, he could get injury and not play so yeah. :P
He could get injury duty indeed.
Answer my PMs Nailsss ;)
RD post your old XV prior to trading and new one!! I am keen as. :P
Quote from: Vinny on September 15, 2014, 07:05:51 PM
Answer my PMs Nailsss ;)
RD post your old XV prior to trading and new one!! I am keen as. :P
Righto Vinny
Off the top of my head (based on trades being approved)
Old
Def: Gibson, Dempsey, McKenzie, Fisher
Mid: Libba, Treloar, Stokes, Macrae
Ruck: Pyke
Fwd: Cloke, Black, Crozier, Armitage (OOP)
Int: Bennell, Christensen
Emg: Kolodjashinij, Hoskin-Elliott, Atley
New:
Def: Gibson, H.Shaw, Duffield, Adcock
Mid: Libba, Macrae, Stevie J, Bennell
Ruck: Pyke
Fwd: Cloke, Tippett, JJK, Duncan
Int: Stokes, Fisher
Emg: Waite, Kolodjashnij, WHE
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 15, 2014, 06:58:47 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 15, 2014, 06:35:26 PM
Would be very interested to see some best XVs atm...
New York will look very different, and much more stronger :)
I'd say only McKenzie and Treloar (pending) were the 2 good kids we traded out, but we have got much more in return in terms of fielding a solid starting team now, so we feel like it's worth it, although painful to see them go!
I look forward to posting up the new team at the completion of the trade period :)
LMac as well, but get Shaw in his place.
You've done a good job so far guys, keep it up :)
Quote from: Ricochet on September 15, 2014, 08:41:40 PM
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Quote from: Vinny on September 15, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 15, 2014, 07:31:08 PM
You've done a good job so far guys, keep it up :)
big fan of that starting team, but hey prove me wrong.
Thanks for all the support guys. Assuming it's for me, for just being awesome.
Quote from: MajorLazer on September 15, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
Thanks for all the support guys. Assuming it's for me, for just being awesome.
It's all for us. 8)
hey question that has probably been answered before but not sure
with our trade with beijing if it passes since naismith was a rookie for them (and shenton for us)....do they swap over as rookies or onto the senior list?
or do we need to allocate a pick from the ND to upgrade like normal?
Thanks for all the comments guys :)
Hopefully NY will do better than 5th bottom next year now.
Just wondering, if Sinclair does end up being just as prolific if not better than Daniher, do I have the right to claim a compensatory second round draft selection?
Lol
Quote from: Jukes on September 15, 2014, 09:44:25 PM
Just wondering, if Sinclair does end up being just as prolific if not better than Daniher, do I have the right to claim a compensatory second round draft selection?
as long as when JoeD smashes him you lose your first round pick in the draft.
Looks like we have deal, too easy
Quote from: DazBurg on September 15, 2014, 09:11:16 PM
hey question that has probably been answered before but not sure
with our trade with beijing if it passes since naismith was a rookie for them (and shenton for us)....do they swap over as rookies or onto the senior list?
or do we need to allocate a pick from the ND to upgrade like normal?
You can chose to have him as a senior player or a 1st year rookie
Quote from: ossie85 on September 16, 2014, 05:39:40 AM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 15, 2014, 09:11:16 PM
hey question that has probably been answered before but not sure
with our trade with beijing if it passes since naismith was a rookie for them (and shenton for us)....do they swap over as rookies or onto the senior list?
or do we need to allocate a pick from the ND to upgrade like normal?
You can chose to have him as a senior player or a 1st year rookie
thanks Ossman ;)
14 of 18 coaches voted (Nails, pothead, Ringo and roo boys! left)
Nothing to report though guys
I already voted :o
Quote from: Nails on September 16, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
I already voted :o
Lies. But you did just vote now, so will let it pass :P
Quote from: ossie85 on September 16, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
14 of 18 coaches voted (Nails, pothead, Ringo and roo boys! left)
Nothing to report though guys
Presti for Lethal going through yeah?
Quote from: ossie85 on September 16, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: Nails on September 16, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
I already voted :o
Lies. But you did just vote now, so will let it pass :P
When I posted that comment I had already voted. So I didn't lie, but it was after your comment. But I had still already voted.
Quote from: Nige on September 16, 2014, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 16, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
14 of 18 coaches voted (Nails, pothead, Ringo and roo boys! left)
Nothing to report though guys
Presti for Lethal going through yeah?
You'd hope so, Lethal is a better scorer but Presti has age on his side.
Only 2 to go now.
Would have preferred to see Relton Roberts added to the Matthews trade
If anyone is looking to reduce their cap space we'd be open to offering a few of our picks for some depth players?
Especially a depth ruckman/forward - PM me if you're interested.
Just roo boys! to come
Plenty (if not all) trades decided, but sorry don't have a chance to look through them just yet guys
Boooooooo
...
Hahahaha
*Eagerly awaiting trade review results*
#DidntNegASingleTrade
I'm so impatient :P
Posting a note here for all that have sent trade requests offers to the Royals I have been not ignoring you just a bit tied up with a few issues. Will be sorting through all the PM's over the next week and responding. Thank You for your patience.
All good Ringo. :)
(http://breddydotorg.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/joker-here-we-go.jpeg)
Roo boys only one left to vote, and he will still need to, but his opinion won't change anything
Trade 28
Dublin give: Brodie Martin + Matthew Taberner
Pacific give: Matthew Scharenberg.
Votes against: 3
Coach comments: 2 coaches think that two average players don't warrant a future star, while 1 coach thinks the opposite that a gameless player doesn't warrant 2 decent players.
Admin comments: Interesting trade, but ultimately should help both teams.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 29
Mexico City give: Yarran, Vince, Pick 36 + Pick 37
Wellington give: Deledio + Pick 61
Votes against: 3
Coach comments: Like Trade 28, 2 coaches think that Wellington are giving up too much, and 1 coach things that Mexico City are giving up too much.
Admin comments: Deledio went for pick 1 last trade period basically, but Yarran and Vince and 2 pick upgrades make this fair IMO
Final result: PASSED
Trade 30
Moscow trade: Callum Sinclair and SECOND Round Pick (35)
London trade: Guess who? Joe Daniher
Votes against: 4
Coach comments: Still believe that Daniher is worth too much
Admin comments: I also believe that this trade still favours Moscow, but will let it through.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 31
Dublin trade: Simon Prestigiacomo
Pacific trade: Leigh Matthews
Fake trade to see who is paying attention, please reject this one
Votes against: 17
Coach comments: Mixed bunch of comments, with many commentating on including Relton Roberts in the mix, that Presti's age makes him more favourtable than Lethal
Admin comments: I'd have let it through, but what can you do?
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 32
Beijing give: Rory Lobb + Pick #77 ID
Cairo give: Chris Dawes + Phil Davis
Votes against: 4
Coach comments: True to form, we had 3 coaches saying that Dawes and Davis far outvalued a player that has yet to prove himself, and 1 coach saying that Lobb's potential is worth more than 2 averaging players.
Admin comments: Given Lobb has far more value to Cairo than anyone else (a Giant Ruck Division), and the Thunder need depth across the board (while acknowledging the two players aren't likely to ever by high SC scorers), I think this if fair.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 33
Beunos Aires give: Steve Johnson
New York give: Pick 8 and Shaun Atley
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: No controversy here surprisingly
Final result: PASSED
Trade 34
Moscow trade: Heath Shaw & Pick 53
New York trade: David Armitage & Luke McDonald
Votes against: 7
Coach comments: Believe pick 53 doesn't come close to evening trade out.
Admin comments: This is controversial, and I'm confused, because this trade was rejected by 5 coaches last week but 7 this week despite the addition of extra pick to even things out. Still, I can't over rule the coaches because I also have doubts that Heath Shaw (a premium, but is pushing 30) and a low pick beats a a 26 year old mid you averaged 108 across his last 8 matches and a future star of the comp in McDonald. Had it gone below 6 votes, I may have let it through.
Final result: REJECTED
I realise this will upset both coaches at New York and Moscow, but I encourage some discussion over going forward.
Trade 35
Mexico City give: Pick 61
Cape Town give: Ryan O'Keefe
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: Nil
Admin comments: Could be a steal of a lifetime, could be a mammoth flop.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 36
PNL Gives: #49
Pacific Gives: K. Hardingham + #81
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 37
Cape Town gives: Zac Smith + Ben Reid + Nat 16
Tokyo give: Scott Selwood + Nat 9 + Nat 41.
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Believe Tokyo are giving up too much
Admin comments: Think Cape Town win the deal, but if Smith starts playing full seasons, could work out in its favour
Final result: PASSED
Very relieved that we now have Lobb with the news that Giles wants out (which I expected). Definitely keeping Giles because I expect him to play wherever he ends up and may even get DPP. 8)
We will get there with the Shaw deal hopefully
It is absolutely imperative that we get the deal done so we will keep working on it.
We have a top class midfield but lack in defense.
Suggestions on how we would go about getting a deal which we would be able to pass?
cant believe that Lobb trade got through
WELCOME SCOTT SELWOOD!!!
Why don't you jackasses tell us what you think the trade should be
Go on don't be faceless cowards say exactly what you want to be traded why don't you
Seriously you neggers are huge cows and should be ashamed, poor form
I bet if this trade was the other way around you'd only be too happy to approve it, damn ABMs
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2014, 01:19:11 PM
cant believe that Lobb trade got through
Please explain why it shouldn't have? ???
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Why don't you jackasses tell us what you think the trade should be
Seriously you neggers are huge cows and should be ashamed, poor form
I bet if this trade was the other way around you'd only be too happy to approve it, damn ABMs
I don't have a vote but imo Shaw for McDonald is a fair trade given McDonald's potential/what he's showed this season and their age differences. McDonald a 10 season premo def, Shaw a current premo def.
So to even it up I'd put something fair for Armitage on the other side. Nat 53 is not fair for him at all.
Quote from: Nige on September 18, 2014, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2014, 01:19:11 PM
cant believe that Lobb trade got through
Please explain why it shouldn't have? ???
i think he might be worth one of Dawes or Davis just don't see how he worth both
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2014, 01:35:34 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 18, 2014, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2014, 01:19:11 PM
cant believe that Lobb trade got through
Please explain why it shouldn't have? ???
i think he might be worth one of Dawes or Davis just don't see how he worth both
It's not a matter of him being worth both exactly and I don't see how the trade is bad enough not to go through. The state of the Beijing list means Dawes and Davis are arguably starters for them and definitely help with numbers (list and cap). For us, Lobb is a very important acquisition as we have Mummy who never plays a full season and the idea was that if he did miss in 2015 that one of Giles/Lobb would come in for him (but now Giles is on the move and Lobb should be the guy to replace him if he misses).
The trade helps both sides, which I think is a win-win and a reason to see it pass.
Following the arrival of Scott Selwood and the impending departure of Dale Thomas the Cape Town Cobras are now interested in picking up a few depth players as well as another potential best XV forward.
If you have these guys on the table then come talk to me or Chumps.
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Why don't you jackasses tell us what you think the trade should be
Go on don't be faceless cowards say exactly what you want to be traded why don't you
Seriously you neggers are huge cows and should be ashamed, poor form
I bet if this trade was the other way around you'd only be too happy to approve it, damn ABMs
Tells people not to be faceless cowards, abuses people over the internet.
Ftr, we passed it so don't get stuck into me :P
Following a review undertaken here are a lists of Players from London categorsied for trade purposes. Aware that some are subject to negotiation atm (Broadbent, Menzell, Gorringe, Lumumba, Mackie and Mayne those that I am aware of from PM's)
Chopping Block: Brown (retired), Hudson, (retired) Cachia, Gilham, Quinten Lynch, Josh Hill, Reilly, Matthew Warnock, Tom Young.
On the Table: Mitch Brown, Brand, Dalgleish, Darrou, Gorringe, Gregory, Tom Lonergan, Moore, Staker, Tuohy, Winderlich
Could be pursuaded with good offers: Bellchambers, Broadbent, Edwards, Gardiner, Hartung, Lennon, Lumumba, Luxford, MacKay, Matera. Mackie, Mayne, McStay, Troy Menzell, Dannyle Pearce, Archie Smith, Stanton, Thurlow, Towers,
Immoveable: Hannebery, McVeigh, Rampe, Sam Wright
PM me if any interest. Will keep lists up to date.
Jukes watch language please. And reckon if you guys added a pick in the 20s would have passed. Shaw is good yes but McDonald was a high draft pick and has shown potential in his first season. I reckon the Daniher one still favoured you guys but passed because the second rounder did enough. A pick in the 50s here was too low that it didn't really even out the trade enough. Just my take on it.
And the Lobb one was uneven but when you actually look at the Thunder, both the guys traded in are possible starters for them :x. Also former PNL players as well....
I'm going on trading-strike until a trade with NY is passed btw guys, so don't bother trying.
Jukes/KRAMER: You know you're infringing on my right to trade good.
Neggers/MANAGER: That's not a right.
Jukes/KRAMER: Well, it's going to be! Because I'm going back on strike! Come on Elaine. (Takes off his team polo, and goes for his coat) It's a walk out!
The system was brought in to kill tanking or extreme trade rape, not to iron out every single piece of lopsidedness so that we can have an "equal" league. Why don't we give points for losing next season? That'd sure make the league more even.
Quote from: elephants on September 18, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Why don't you jackasses tell us what you think the trade should be
Go on don't be faceless cowards say exactly what you want to be traded why don't you
Seriously you neggers are huge cows and should be ashamed, poor form
I bet if this trade was the other way around you'd only be too happy to approve it, damn ABMs
Tells people not to be faceless cowards, abuses people over the internet.
Ftr, we passed it so don't get stuck into me :P
Fight me irl see what happens
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
I'm going on trading-strike until a trade with NY is passed btw guys, so don't bother trying.
The system was brought in to kill tanking or extreme trade rape, not to iron out every single piece of lopsidedness so that we can have an "equal" league. Why don't we give points for losing next season? That'd sure make the league more even.
Quote from: elephants on September 18, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Why don't you jackasses tell us what you think the trade should be
Go on don't be faceless cowards say exactly what you want to be traded why don't you
Seriously you neggers are huge cows and should be ashamed, poor form
I bet if this trade was the other way around you'd only be too happy to approve it, damn ABMs
Tells people not to be faceless cowards, abuses people over the internet.
Ftr, we passed it so don't get stuck into me :P
Fight me irl see what happens punk
Ahh, resorting to violence once you've lost the argument. Simple, simple minds. :p
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
I'm going on trading-strike until a trade with NY is passed btw guys, so don't bother trying.
Jukes/KRAMER: You know you're infringing on my right to trade good.
Neggers/MANAGER: That's not a right.
Jukes/KRAMER: Well, it's going to be! Because I'm going back on strike! Come on Elaine. (Takes off his team polo, and goes for his coat) It's a walk out!
The system was brought in to kill tanking or extreme trade rape, not to iron out every single piece of lopsidedness so that we can have an "equal" league. Why don't we give points for losing next season? That'd sure make the league more even.
Quote from: elephants on September 18, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
Why don't you jackasses tell us what you think the trade should be
Go on don't be faceless cowards say exactly what you want to be traded why don't you
Seriously you neggers are huge cows and should be ashamed, poor form
I bet if this trade was the other way around you'd only be too happy to approve it, damn ABMs
Tells people not to be faceless cowards, abuses people over the internet.
Ftr, we passed it so don't get stuck into me :P
Fight me irl see what happens
mate pull your head in
some around here act like kids throwing there toys out of there cot
as i said before you even added the pick is if heath shaw is worth that much
then malceski is worth more (1 year older but averges almost 10 ppg more)
then anyone willing to give us a 100 mid + a gun kid + a 2nd round pick
reckon that would pass?.....no it wouldn't as it shouldn't
in example with your team
you giving me docherty + ryan griffen for eski
sound fair?
lel Jukes
Trade 20
Moscow trade: Heath Shaw
New York trade: Luke McDonald and David Armitage
Decently negged.
Moscow be like... you know what makes this trade even? A worthless pick in the 50s :P
Why don't you stop complaining about the system and actually adjust your trades. I can't even believe NY are trading McDonald in the first place, but if they want Shaw that badly, go ahead :P
Shaw for Mcdonald bang trade done, no more problems. It's not hard :)
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 18, 2014, 05:20:01 PM
Shaw for Mcdonald bang trade done, no more problems. It's not hard :)
The horse has long gone in regards to that trade suggestion. Fair to say that would not be happening ;)
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 18, 2014, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 18, 2014, 05:20:01 PM
Shaw for Mcdonald bang trade done, no more problems. It's not hard :)
The horse has long gone in regards to that trade suggestion. Fair to say that would not be happening ;)
if people are rating Lmac that high maybe coaches should be puting up some really good player for him (on the level of Heath Shaw)
Jukes has to be banned. I said the same thing to Tbag last year and JB-Hawks did too and we all got 2+ week ban. Has to be introuble or poor system.
I also saw what he initially wrote and it's a lot worse than 'fight me in real life'
Quote from: whatlez on September 18, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
Jukes has to be banned. I said the same thing to Tbag last year and JB-Hawks did too and we all got 2+ week ban. Has to be introuble or poor system.
I also saw what he initially wrote and it's a lot worse than 'fight me in real life'
damn edit system i'm too late to see the good stuff....lol
@ Holz : i wouldn't dso the straight swap either
but doersn't mean heater is worth essentialey 2 players or like i said
we have eski, and simpson here at PNL around the same age and better averages and will take 2 good players for 1 of them ;)
Quote from: Holzman on September 18, 2014, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 18, 2014, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 18, 2014, 05:20:01 PM
Shaw for Mcdonald bang trade done, no more problems. It's not hard :)
The horse has long gone in regards to that trade suggestion. Fair to say that would not be happening ;)
if people are rating Lmac that high maybe coaches should be puting up some really good player for him (on the level of Heath Shaw)
That's a good point.
Quote from: DazBurg on September 18, 2014, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: whatlez on September 18, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
Jukes has to be banned. I said the same thing to Tbag last year and JB-Hawks did too and we all got 2+ week ban. Has to be introuble or poor system.
I also saw what he initially wrote and it's a lot worse than 'fight me in real life'
damn edit system i'm too late to see the good stuff....lol
@ Holz : i wouldn't dso the straight swap either
but doersn't mean heater is worth essentialey 2 players or like i said
we have eski, and simpson here at PNL around the same age and better averages and will take 2 good players for 1 of them ;)
Taking out the game he was KO'd against Sydney this year Shaw has averaged more than Simpson in each of the last 4 seasons
Malceski's history is up and down scoring wise plus he has an injury history, whilst Shaw has averaged 90+ in 2006-07, 2009-2014.
I'd pay more for Shaw than both Simmo and Malceski.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 18, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 18, 2014, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 18, 2014, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 18, 2014, 05:20:01 PM
Shaw for Mcdonald bang trade done, no more problems. It's not hard :)
The horse has long gone in regards to that trade suggestion. Fair to say that would not be happening ;)
if people are rating Lmac that high maybe coaches should be puting up some really good player for him (on the level of Heath Shaw)
That's a good point.
If we had a defender at a similar level to Shaw we probably would enquire.
The Neggers are absolute wimps, I hate the idea of negging any trade unless it's absolutely atrocious which I actually haven't seen this trade period.
@Q I haven't and I don't think Jukes has.
You hate engaging in any trade unless it's absolutely atrocious? :P
I call for a review of Torpy's trading tactics!! ;)
Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 18, 2014, 05:52:11 PM
The Neggers are absolute wimps, I hate the idea of engaging any trade unless it's absolutely atrocious which I actually haven't seen this trade period.
So Moscow haven't negged a trade at all?
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 18, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 18, 2014, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: whatlez on September 18, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
Jukes has to be banned. I said the same thing to Tbag last year and JB-Hawks did too and we all got 2+ week ban. Has to be introuble or poor system.
I also saw what he initially wrote and it's a lot worse than 'fight me in real life'
damn edit system i'm too late to see the good stuff....lol
@ Holz : i wouldn't dso the straight swap either
but doersn't mean heater is worth essentialey 2 players or like i said
we have eski, and simpson here at PNL around the same age and better averages and will take 2 good players for 1 of them ;)
Taking out the game he was KO'd against Sydney this year Shaw has averaged more than Simpson in each of the last 4 seasons
Malceski's history is up and down scoring wise plus he has an injury history, whilst Shaw has averaged 90+ in 2006-07, 2009-2014.
I'd pay more for Shaw than both Simmo and Malceski.
So would I, Shaw is worth a lot more than Eski IMO.
We are working with Jukes now and should get the Shaw/LMac deal through this time for sure
3rd time lucky!
Quote from: JROO8 on September 18, 2014, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on September 18, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 18, 2014, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: whatlez on September 18, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
Jukes has to be banned. I said the same thing to Tbag last year and JB-Hawks did too and we all got 2+ week ban. Has to be introuble or poor system.
I also saw what he initially wrote and it's a lot worse than 'fight me in real life'
damn edit system i'm too late to see the good stuff....lol
@ Holz : i wouldn't dso the straight swap either
but doersn't mean heater is worth essentialey 2 players or like i said
we have eski, and simpson here at PNL around the same age and better averages and will take 2 good players for 1 of them ;)
Taking out the game he was KO'd against Sydney this year Shaw has averaged more than Simpson in each of the last 4 seasons
Malceski's history is up and down scoring wise plus he has an injury history, whilst Shaw has averaged 90+ in 2006-07, 2009-2014.
I'd pay more for Shaw than both Simmo and Malceski.
So would I, Shaw is worth a lot more than Eski IMO.
well anyway my point is i can see why people negged it as shaw is imo not worth
that much
edit: also i really dislike this whole throwing tantrums when trades do not go through
imo it is a poor look
this is meant to run similar to the AFL
1. never that many turns overs as afl
2 it is a fantasy comp not a trading game
3. it is just that a game
From what I've understood I'm meant to be #1 whinger on FF.
You know it's bad when a Nails trade gets negged and he doesn't even complain but others do.
Quote from: Nails on September 18, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
From what I've understood I'm meant to be #1 whinger on FF.
You know it's bad when a Nails trade gets negged and he doesn't even complain but others do.
exactly :P
Quote from: DazBurg on September 18, 2014, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: Nails on September 18, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
From what I've understood I'm meant to be #1 whinger on FF.
You know it's bad when a Nails trade gets negged and he doesn't even complain but others do.
exactly :P
I haven't whinged about much in a while, time to re-evaluate your lives and stances on me.
Quote from: Nails on September 18, 2014, 07:29:50 PM
I haven't whinged about much in a while, time to re-evaluate your lives and stances on me.
Meh, you've done it too often for too long, nothing will change. :P
I daresay everything will be back to normal by pre-season... maybe even the drafts. :o
flower this, this is flowering bs, how the flower can nige say this about me wtf
lol
Quote from: Nails on September 18, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
flower this, this is flowering bs, how the flower can nige say this about me wtf
lol
Because ily. :-*
Cbf quoting, but I've only ever negged 3 trades, and one of them was the Lethal/Presti one
Second, Shaw >>>>>>>>>>>>> Malceski and Simpson
Quote from: whatlez on September 18, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
Jukes has to be banned. I said the same thing to Tbag last year and JB-Hawks did too and we all got 2+ week ban. Has to be introuble or poor system.
I also saw what he initially wrote and it's a lot worse than 'fight me in real life'
I never changed fight me irl I added the second line in the edit you trouble-causing prick - there is a good reason you were banned.
Quote from: Jukes on September 18, 2014, 08:01:35 PM
Cbf quoting, but I've only ever negged 3 trades, and one of them was the Lethal/Presti one
Quote from: whatlez on September 18, 2014, 05:28:35 PM
Jukes has to be banned. I said the same thing to Tbag last year and JB-Hawks did too and we all got 2+ week ban. Has to be introuble or poor system.
I also saw what he initially wrote and it's a lot worse than 'fight me in real life'
I never changed fight me irl I added the second line in the edit you prick
Language. Personally attacking now and me Elephants. Ban!!
Calm down you guys... There is a way to talk to people on the forum and calling for his head isn't the right way to go about it either Lez. I'm like so close to locking this thread (as Mods need to discuss stuff first instead of being trigger-happy with the bans).
And I agree, Shaw > Simpson or Eski, but not worth that much alone :P.
Settle all - Do not have mod rites in this board but. Jukes HP warned you about language earlier and you chose to ignore so left with no option than to recommend a ban. Lez and Ele please show some more restraint and you both should have reported post rather than carry on here and allow the situation to be inflamed.
Lesson report straight away so we can act. i have only just came back into this thread and seen it deteriorate.
I'll get what I said to get banned with Tbag and JB-Hawks. We can compare and see the difference.
Lez, stop before you get a warning as well. WE ARE HANDLING IT, stop throwing more wood on the fire, you'll probably get burnt yourself the way you're going. It's annoying as I can't go banning whoever I seem fit to be banned, have to discuss it with others. And other mods have lives as well, so it takes time. If you're not happy with us making an informed decision, you aren't ever gonna be happy with the mods.
As the OFFICIAL unofficial admin I am getting everybody but myself banned that's in Worlds.
That way I'll replace all other teams with new coaches but before that I'll be able to cherry pick players from each team.
Sorry but I have decided and in my role as head admin this cannot be undone.
From AFL Trade Radio on Facebook
Quote"GWS ruckman Jonathan Giles is seeking a trade from Greater Western Sydney after struggling for opportunities behind Shane Mumford in 2014.
Any interest out there for the big Giant?"
Uh oh Nige :-X
Quote from: Master Q on September 18, 2014, 08:31:35 PM
From AFL Trade Radio on Facebook
Quote"GWS ruckman Jonathan Giles is seeking a trade from Greater Western Sydney after struggling for opportunities behind Shane Mumford in 2014.
Any interest out there for the big Giant?"
Uh oh Nige :-X
Don't think there's much of an issue. He's got Lobb who's now #2.
They might now go after another ruckman who could overtake Lobb :P
Pick 16 on the table if anyone keen. Seb Ross also.
Quote from: Master Q on September 18, 2014, 08:33:57 PM
They might now go after another ruckman who could overtake Lobb :P
Yeah... no. Not when they have 293729 tall guys to pinch hit. ;)
Quote from: Boomz on September 18, 2014, 08:41:17 PM
Pick 16 on the table if anyone keen. Seb Ross also.
Sam Mitchell? :P
Quote from: Nails on September 18, 2014, 08:25:38 PM
As the OFFICIAL unofficial admin I am getting everybody but myself banned that's in Worlds.
That way I'll replace all other teams with new coaches but before that I'll be able to cherry pick players from each team.
Sorry but I have decided and in my role as head admin this cannot be undone.
It's like the Sydney Swans all over again. ::)
Looking for a D4 that can average 70ish, age not really too much an issue.
I reckon one our picks like Pick 33 or Pick 45 would be about right depending on the player.
Hit me up, cheers!
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 18, 2014, 04:09:37 PM
And reckon if you guys added a pick in the 20s would have passed. Shaw is good yes but McDonald was a high draft pick and has shown potential in his first season.
It might get you guys over the line now Jukes/NY ;).
Nice Nige, try to sell him back to them :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 18, 2014, 09:53:38 PM
Nice Nige, try to sell him back to them :P.
Worth a shot. ;)
So, what are teams still looking for at this stage?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 18, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
So, what are teams still looking for at this stage?
Wouldn't mind a good forward! Could package together a couple of depth guys or a young talent like Cam McCarthy, maybe even Jack Martin :o
We're still after forwards that could start for us, and another gun midfielder; Pick 1 still on the table! ;)
Quote from: Toga on September 18, 2014, 10:35:22 PM
We're still after forwards that could start for us, and another gun midfielder; Pick 1 still on the table! ;)
JPod for Pick 1. Done deal
McGlynn on the table
SPRING CLEANOUT
I'm sure that there is next to no interest in these players at all, but we are pushing the cap so if anyone wants any of these guys just shoot me a PM. Happy to package multiple players for picks/1 player etc
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Daniel Menzel, Aryn Sipposs
We also have these guys who we are happy to keep, but could trade for the right offer
Jamie Bennell, Michael Firrito, Heath Grundy, Michael Apeness
We do have better players that we are willing to trade as well, but until our current trades get confirmed we are holding talks on them, so for the meantime, if any of the above interest you, let me know.
Am looking for a starting defender, Reece Conca might be traded in the process :-\
PM me if interested.
For teams that need ruckmen, Sandi or possibly Ivan Maric could be traded :o
Quote from: JROO8 on September 19, 2014, 10:19:18 AM
For teams that need ruckmen, Sandi or possibly Ivan Maric could be traded :o
Mexico give: Ivan Maric
Cairo give: Karl Amon and N77.
JROO to confirm. 8)
I kid, we love our Mummy. :-*
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 19, 2014, 10:19:18 AM
For teams that need ruckmen, Sandi or possibly Ivan Maric could be traded :o
Mexico give: Ivan Maric
Cairo give: Karl Amon and N77.
JROO to confirm. 8)
I kid, we love our Mummy. :-*
Maric > Mummy ;)
Quote from: JROO8 on September 19, 2014, 10:22:25 AM
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 19, 2014, 10:19:18 AM
For teams that need ruckmen, Sandi or possibly Ivan Maric could be traded :o
Mexico give: Ivan Maric
Cairo give: Karl Amon and N77.
JROO to confirm. 8)
I kid, we love our Mummy. :-*
Maric > Mummy ;)
I love Ivan, but you know that's not true. ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 09:03:06 AM
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Daniel Menzel, Aryn Sipposs
Everyone remember when this guy was the next big thing? Good times.
Quote from: Jukes on September 19, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 09:03:06 AM
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Daniel Menzel, Aryn Sipposs
Everyone remember when this guy was the next big thing? Good times.
Lol Tom Swift 2.0
ROFL I've been telling AK for ages now how bad I want to get rid of him, and I have said in other threads that I reckon he is a lock to get delisted in the next year or so
Will take pick 145534 for him
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 12:05:00 PM
ROFL I've been telling AK for ages now how bad I want to get rid of him, and I have said in other threads that I reckon he is a lock to get delisted in the next year or so
Will take pick 145534 for him
I'll give you pick 90 for all of them.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 19, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 09:03:06 AM
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Daniel Menzel, Aryn Sipposs
Everyone remember when this guy was the next big thing? Good times.
Lol Tom Swift 2.0
Don't bag Swiftsa, he's a dual Claremont premiership player!
Quote from: Jukes on September 19, 2014, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 19, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 09:03:06 AM
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Daniel Menzel, Aryn Sipposs
Everyone remember when this guy was the next big thing? Good times.
Lol Tom Swift 2.0
Don't bag Swiftsa, he's a dual Claremont premiership player!
Superstar. He should still be playing there tbh
Swift left to study to become a doctor
Good call by him
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 12:33:21 PM
Swift left to study to become a doctor
Good call by him
Yeh they've tried to get him back a couple of times too
Anyone with an eztremely spuddy spud with lots of points want to trade for a less spudier spud with not so many points??
Purely for cap reasons
Quote from: Jukes on September 19, 2014, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Jukes on September 19, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 09:03:06 AM
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Daniel Menzel, Aryn Sipposs
Everyone remember when this guy was the next big thing? Good times.
Lol Tom Swift 2.0
Don't bag Swiftsa, he's a dual Claremont premiership player!
I flowering agree. Absolute legend.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Anyone with an eztremely spuddy spud with lots of points want to trade for a less spudier spud with not so many points??
Purely for cap reasons
We have R.Crowley, but he's Alexandria's spiritual leader and won't be leaving. :P
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Anyone with an eztremely spuddy spud with lots of points want to trade for a less spudier spud with not so many points??
Purely for cap reasons
We have R.Crowley, but he's Alexandria's spiritual leader and won't be leaving. :P
Haha I'm talking like ZDawson/LRT level. Crowley is a flowering gun
Can we trade guys on our list that have retired?
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 02:49:51 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Anyone with an eztremely spuddy spud with lots of points want to trade for a less spudier spud with not so many points??
Purely for cap reasons
We have R.Crowley, but he's Alexandria's spiritual leader and won't be leaving. :P
Haha I'm talking like ZDawson/LRT level. Crowley is a flowering gun
Can we trade guys on our list that have retired?
Oh, then I can't help. :(
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 19, 2014, 09:03:06 AM
SPRING CLEANOUT
I'm sure that there is next to no interest in these players at all, but we are pushing the cap so if anyone wants any of these guys just shoot me a PM. Happy to package multiple players for picks/1 player etc
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Aryn Sipposs
We also have these guys who we are happy to keep, but could trade for the right offer
Jamie Bennell, Michael Firrito, Heath Grundy, Michael Apeness
We do have better players that we are willing to trade as well, but until our current trades get confirmed we are holding talks on them, so for the meantime, if any of the above interest you, let me know.
Didnt expect to get so much enquiries for these guys! It really has been a true Spring Clean Out
The following guys lined through are more or less gone!
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr,
Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown,
Will Schofield, Aaron Young,
Matthew Arnott,
Pat McGinnity,
Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton,
Brant Colledge,
Aryn SippossWe also have these guys who we are happy to keep, but could trade for the right offer
Jamie Bennell, Michael Firrito, Heath Grundy,
Michael Apeness
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 02:49:51 PM
Can we trade guys on our list that have retired?
Might struggle to get those trades approved!
Some of those Spring Clean Out players are hidden gems IMO
Quote from: ossie85 on September 19, 2014, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 19, 2014, 02:49:51 PM
Can we trade guys on our list that have retired?
Might struggle to get those trades approved!
Haha yeh but we need the points :(
Terribly sorry guys, I didnt mean to put Menzel on the list
Had 3 or 4 teams ask about him - sorry for the mistake, we are keeping him :)
Gotta say that considering teams like New York and Pacific are needing to get rid of players to get below the cap shows that it's far too low. Should have remained at the 31,500 rather than dropping to 30,000.
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 19, 2014, 03:30:44 PM
Gotta say that considering teams like New York and Pacific are needing to get rid of players to get below the cap shows that it's far too low. Should have remained at the 31,500 rather than dropping to 30,000.
That would be handy, but we are only a few hundred over 30k so its not too bad
Just trying to free up some space for now, and take picks to the draft
And to explain further just why it is too low I will use maths ;)
Each week there are 9 matches played where 3,300 points are allocated. This totals to 29,700 points each week. Our points cap is set for the 17 home and away games of the season, so for those 17 rounds there are 504,900 points given out.
So 504,900 points is what we have to share between the 18 teams in the league, which averages out to be 28,050 per team. The fact that the max you can be above the average is just less than 2,000 points more is quite ridiculous really, whereas the minimum you can be below is 6,000 points. This doesn't really add up...
Might as well just make it that max is 30,000 and min is 26,000 if you want to even it up so much.
Last years was much better as it was almost an even split above and below the average: 24,000 to 31,500, so 4k below and 3.5k above. Why did people vote to change this??
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 19, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
And to explain further just why it is too low I will use maths ;)
Each week there are 9 matches played where 3,300 points are allocated. This totals to 29,700 points each week. Our points cap is set for the 17 home and away games of the season, so for those 17 rounds there are 504,900 points given out.
So 504,900 points is what we have to share between the 18 teams in the league, which averages out to be 28,050 per team. The fact that the max you can be above the average is just less than 2,000 points more is quite ridiculous really, whereas the minimum you can be below is 6,000 points. This doesn't really add up...
Might as well just make it that max is 30,000 and min is 26,000 if you want to even it up so much.
Last years was much better as it was almost an even split above and below the average: 24,000 to 31,500, so 4k below and 3.5k above. Why did people vote to change this??
Dayum son, this is pretty irrefutable logic
#scrapthecap
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 19, 2014, 03:30:44 PM
Gotta say that considering teams like New York and Pacific are needing to get rid of players to get below the cap shows that it's far too low. Should have remained at the 31,500 rather than dropping to 30,000.
The other side of that coin is that it was far too easy for the big sides to go under it. But point taken
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 19, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
And to explain further just why it is too low I will use maths ;)
Each week there are 9 matches played where 3,300 points are allocated. This totals to 29,700 points each week. Our points cap is set for the 17 home and away games of the season, so for those 17 rounds there are 504,900 points given out.
So 504,900 points is what we have to share between the 18 teams in the league, which averages out to be 28,050 per team. The fact that the max you can be above the average is just less than 2,000 points more is quite ridiculous really, whereas the minimum you can be below is 6,000 points. This doesn't really add up...
Might as well just make it that max is 30,000 and min is 26,000 if you want to even it up so much.
Last years was much better as it was almost an even split above and below the average: 24,000 to 31,500, so 4k below and 3.5k above. Why did people vote to change this??
The one thing missing from your analysis is the amount of points from this year, that aren't available next year (all the retired players, delisted players, etc.).
For instance Luke Ball (963), Ben Rutten (553), Jonathan Brown (643), Nick Maxwell (597), Jason Winderlich (776), Dom Cassisi (733), Daniel Jackson (871), Lenny Hayes (1586), Dean Cox (1121), Dianiel Giansiracusa (528) are the bigger names that have retired. With promises of more to come and delisting. But just those are 8371 points, or 465 points per team.
List Update
Players striked through are GONE
Players in RED are in discussion/nearly gone
Others are available
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Aryn Sipposs
We also have these guys who we are happy to keep, but could trade for the right offer
Jamie Bennell, Michael Firrito, Heath Grundy, Michael Apeness
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If all these trades pass, what picks do you have RD/AK? :P
Quote from: Master Q on September 19, 2014, 04:41:57 PM
If all these trades pass, what picks do you have RD/AK? :P
Most of these guys are going for 3rd rounders, so a good amount of picks in the 40's which will be handy
Reckon we could jag a diamond in the rough there
List Update
Players striked through are GONE
Players in RED are in discussion/nearly gone
Others are available
Ben Sinclair, Aidan Corr, Jake Batchelor, Mitch W Brown, Will Schofield, Aaron Young, Matthew Arnott, Pat McGinnity, Craig Moller, Shaun McKernan, Todd Elton, Brant Colledge, Aryn Sipposs
We also have these guys who we are happy to keep, but could trade for the right offer
Jamie Bennell, Michael Firrito, Heath Grundy, Michael Apeness
I can imagine Nigey's pretty chuffed about getting his love child Arnott :P
Quote from: My Chumps on September 19, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
I can imagine Nigey's pretty chuffed about getting his love child Arnott :P
This is true. :-*
Both Mazenod lads at Cairo now. 8)
And pls... *Arnot
any old forwards or mids who can score, send me a PM
im offering up my 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Quote from: Holzman on September 19, 2014, 06:24:07 PM
any old forwards or mids who can score, send me a PM
im offering up my 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Nails will love you.
Cape Town is looking for another starting defender 75+ average if anyone has one for sale.
Hit Chumps or myself up by PM if you have one to offer.
I actually wanted to grab more than one, but being at uni studying for assessments, I was unable to really get in before most players were gone :(. Hopefully can still somebody from the clearance sale :'(. On that note, I'm happy to take Grundy back >:D. #HeartAndSoulOfMarseille
Agree it's quite early to have a clearance sale considering we haven't even finished the regular AFL season! People should be a bit more patient :P. PNL were in cap troubles but I always said it's easy to get under and we're almost under already.
And Oss, Winders may not retire after all, so could be traded and not be negged :P.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 19, 2014, 07:15:26 PM
Cape Town is looking for another starting defender 75+ average if anyone has one for sale.
Hit Chumps or myself up by PM if you have one to offer.
I said something similar like a page or two back. :P
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
Yes. You can have Pick 33. ;)
I'll have Billy. have nothing to offer but will shout you drinks tomorrow night
Quote from: brad on September 19, 2014, 08:33:23 PM
I'll have Billy. have nothing to offer but will shout you drinks tomorrow night
Sounds good to me, post it up :P
brad gives: free frothies.
Jay gives: Billy Longer
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
need you ask
send him over to PNL ;)
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
need you ask
send him over to PNL ;)
You nominate interest in everyone and never actually make offers lel. :P Classic Daz.
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
need you ask
send him over to PNL ;)
You nominate interest in everyone and never actually make offers lel. :P Classic Daz.
the difference here is HP and i were trying like a week ago or so to get longer and were told his not up for trade ;)
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
need you ask
send him over to PNL ;)
You nominate interest in everyone and never actually make offers lel. :P Classic Daz.
the difference here is HP and i were trying like a week ago or so to get longer and were told his not up for trade ;)
Wasn't up for trade in a JMart package, would prefer to deal them separately ;)
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
need you ask
send him over to PNL ;)
You nominate interest in everyone and never actually make offers lel. :P Classic Daz.
the difference here is HP and i were trying like a week ago or so to get longer and were told his not up for trade ;)
Wasn't up for trade in a JMart package, would prefer to deal them separately ;)
what you looking for? (probably lacks anything to offer for him though classic Daz as nige put it ;) )
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 19, 2014, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on September 19, 2014, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Jayman on September 19, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Anyone interested in Billy Longer? Young, talented ruck.. PM me if interested :)
need you ask
send him over to PNL ;)
You nominate interest in everyone and never actually make offers lel. :P Classic Daz.
the difference here is HP and i were trying like a week ago or so to get longer and were told his not up for trade ;)
Wasn't up for trade in a JMart package, would prefer to deal them separately ;)
what you looking for? (probably lacks anything to offer for him though classic Daz as nige put it ;) )
On the search for a good forward!
do they even take finals games into consideration?
I inquired about Longer by himself previously but was said he was a wanted man at Pacific a few weeks back :(.
I'll chuck the mighty John Butcher (if the deal goes through). A bargain for you once he plays in the Premiership side next week!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 19, 2014, 11:39:39 PM
do they even take finals games into consideration?
You'd assume so, that's common sense isnt it they're still games of football? Either way, as I said, even if he doesn't get it next year the last 3-4 rounds plus 3 finals confirmed to me that Scott is keen to play him there, indicating an eventual forward status in coming years.
*assuming mods will move this to the trade discussion thread
Don't tell me how to do my job :P.
I'm tired, I'll probably move it tomorrow or something.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 19, 2014, 08:13:40 PM
I actually wanted to grab more than one, but being at uni studying for assessments, I was unable to really get in before most players were gone :(. Hopefully can still somebody from the clearance sale :'(. On that note, I'm happy to take Grundy back >:D. #HeartAndSoulOfMarseille
Agree it's quite early to have a clearance sale considering we haven't even finished the regular AFL season! People should be a bit more patient :P. PNL were in cap troubles but I always said it's easy to get under and we're almost under already.
And Oss, Winders may not retire after all, so could be traded and not be negged :P.
They are all surplus players that we have zero need for, hence the clearance sale :)
So the Spring Clean Out Clearance Sale was a huge success, with NY trading out a lot of surplus players and picking up a bunch of trades, and we now have our Cap in a perfect spot, just over 28k
We are nearly closed for business now, with the National Draft our next step to grab some talent with all of our trades
As an FYI, the following players are still available, and we have the following picks if anyone is interested, and we could package up a few picks for some decent players
Mitch W Brown, Todd Elton, Shaun McKernan and Pat McGinnity
NAT Picks 28, 30, 41, 42, 45, 49, 53, 62, 67, 73, 78
If you want any of those 4 players, or can offer players for these picks, then shoot me a PM
Trades out useless spuds
Drafts even bigger useless spuds
#nekminnut
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 20, 2014, 09:48:58 AM
Trades out useless spuds
Drafts even bigger useless spuds
#nekminnut
Yeah, that's it...
Guys I have had a number of requests for Broadbent. Rather than reply and negotiate to all the PM's I am putting him up for Private Auction.
PM with your best offer, considering my needs for forwards or mids, by Friday 26th September and he will go to best offer providing it suits my team needs. Do not be put off though by my needs though as if a strong offer received will be considered. eg Rockliff for Broadbent not that will happen but just using as an example.
Please also free to ask for a pick from me as part of package. All picks except first round are negotiable.
I know I said Daniel Menzel was off the table after 3 or 4 teams enquired about him, but AK is happy to put him on the table to see what we can get for him
So, shoot us a PM with what you would offer for him, and then we can decide whether its worth it, or if we should just keep him
Cairo worried about Ryder going to Giants?
Quote from: ossie85 on September 21, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
Cairo worried about Ryder going to Giants?
The prospect of him being a Giant annoys me as I know it would limit Mummy's output and as we know #NoMummyNoCairo :(
That and I doubt old mate RB over at Toronto probably won't give him up. :P
He better go to Brisbane so that either Cape Town (with Stef Martin) or Pacific (with Leuey) get flowered over instead. Sorry my fellow Africonians. ;) #soznotsoz
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 21, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
Cairo worried about Ryder going to Giants?
The prospect of him being a Giant annoys me as I know it would limit Mummy's output and as we know #NoMummyNoCairo :(
That and I doubt old mate RB over at Toronto probably won't give him up. :P
He better go to Brisbane so that either Cape Town (with Stef Martin) or Pacific (with Leuey) get flowered over instead. Sorry my fellow Africonians. ;) #soznotsoz
What about if he goes to Port,
Quote from: Ringo on September 21, 2014, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 21, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
Cairo worried about Ryder going to Giants?
The prospect of him being a Giant annoys me as I know it would limit Mummy's output and as we know #NoMummyNoCairo :(
That and I doubt old mate RB over at Toronto probably won't give him up. :P
He better go to Brisbane so that either Cape Town (with Stef Martin) or Pacific (with Leuey) get flowered over instead. Sorry my fellow Africonians. ;) #soznotsoz
What about if he goes to Port,
That doesn't concern me.
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Because all your good players you don't want to trade and you're really hard to get a bargain out of :P
Quote from: My Chumps on September 21, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
Because all your good players you don't want to trade and you're really hard to get a bargain out of :P
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 21, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
Because all your good players you don't want to trade and you're really hard to get a bargain out of :P
Well why won't you just give me your good players and I give you some rubbish ones? I just don't understand!! :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 21, 2014, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 21, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
Because all your good players you don't want to trade and you're really hard to get a bargain out of :P
Well why won't you just give me your good players and I give you some rubbish ones? I just don't understand!! :P
You tried to do that when you offered us Brett O'Hanlon. :o
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 21, 2014, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 21, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
Because all your good players you don't want to trade and you're really hard to get a bargain out of :P
Well why won't you just give me your good players and I give you some rubbish ones? I just don't understand!! :P
You tried to do that when you offered us Brett O'Hanlon. :o
Didn't I offer him to you before he got delisted? Also don't think I ever asked for a good player in return ;)
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 02:58:15 PM
Quote from: Ringo on September 21, 2014, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 21, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
Cairo worried about Ryder going to Giants?
The prospect of him being a Giant annoys me as I know it would limit Mummy's output and as we know #NoMummyNoCairo :(
That and I doubt old mate RB over at Toronto probably won't give him up. :P
He better go to Brisbane so that either Cape Town (with Stef Martin) or Pacific (with Leuey) get flowered over instead. Sorry my fellow Africonians. ;) #soznotsoz
What about if he goes to Port,
That doesn't concern me.
I'd be gutted :(. Given think Lobbe would still be #1 and Ryder plays more up forward and 2nd ruck.
Right now I see Ryder going Lions and Leu leaving Lions :o.
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 21, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
Cairo worried about Ryder going to Giants?
That and I doubt old mate RB over at Toronto probably won't give him up. :P
Hey! Yeah okay you're right...
Similar to New York's Spring Clean Out, the Pumas are following a similar track. So these players are available for picks, feel free to put some in a bundle for a better pick ;)
Majak Daw, Blaine Johnson, Scott McMahon, Ben Newton, Jason Porplyzia, Aidan Riley, Liam Sumner
New York actually put the players up for sale that people might actually want though CF. :P
You'd have to give me a pick for me to take some of those guys.
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 09:54:26 PM
New York actually put the players up for sale that people might actually want though CF. :P
Nothing wrong with plenty of those players...
- Daw 23 year old ruckman who played more games and averaged more than a 25 year old ruckman who was traded for Daniher.
- Johnson played 5 games in his first year off the rookie list, which is a good effort.
- McMahon is old a passed it yes
- Newton killed it in the SANFL and did well when given opportunities, just needs to get consistent football
- Porps ditto McMaon
- Riley played 9 games coming off a broken leg, will only get better
- Sumner is a former top 10 draft pick
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 21, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 09:54:26 PM
New York actually put the players up for sale that people might actually want though CF. :P
Nothing wrong with plenty of those players...
- Daw 23 year old ruckman who played more games and averaged more than a 25 year old ruckman who was traded for Daniher.
Still cringe when I remember that deal got through.
Jump on chat with Nails and I or PM us for any of these guys. Looking for kids, no draft picks alone thanks. ;)
Dane Swan
Matthew Boyd
Drew Petrie
Jay Schulz
Boomer Harvey
James Kelly
Brad Sewell
Kane Cornes
Daniel Cross
Quote from: Vinny on September 21, 2014, 10:44:38 PM
Jump on chat with Nails and I or PM us for any of these guys. Looking for kids, no draft picks alone thanks. ;)
Dane Swan
Matthew Boyd
Drew Petrie
Jay Schulz
Boomer Harvey
James Kelly
Brad Sewell
Kane Cornes
Daniel Cross
Nails knows my offer for Boomer. ;)
Quote from: Nige on September 21, 2014, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 21, 2014, 10:44:38 PM
Jump on chat with Nails and I or PM us for any of these guys. Looking for kids, no draft picks alone thanks. ;)
Dane Swan
Matthew Boyd
Drew Petrie
Jay Schulz
Boomer Harvey
James Kelly
Brad Sewell
Kane Cornes
Daniel Cross
Nails knows my offer for Boomer. ;)
I don't actually, it's lost with the 30 other offers for the above players.
PM it to me again man, Nails lost it :P
wish you told us you were trading Matt Crouch >:(
would have put a offer in
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 21, 2014, 11:47:29 PM
wish you told us you were trading Matt Crouch >:(
would have put a offer in
Sorry guys, Nails was getting impatient. We had already stalled for a while.
We think this deal was pretty top notch anyway.
Still a fair deal doe, hope no bitter negs
lol
Quote from: Nails on September 22, 2014, 12:07:42 AM
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 21, 2014, 11:47:29 PM
wish you told us you were trading Matt Crouch >:(
would have put a offer in
dublin is basically shut up for business can still enquire if you want.
forced to go old from negged trades and basically gave away all my tradeable youth
vinny has full trading rights next couple days
i need a break to sort my life out
I knew the break up of the Pumas/NDT alliance was bullshower. :P
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 01:47:54 PM
I knew the break up of the Pumas/NDT alliance was bullshower. :P
Haha, tbf, I don't think he's fully forgiven me yet :P
Do the Dillos have a ruck?
Cox retired, they just traded Warnock and Redden is always injured? :o ???
And even then, Lobbe is #1 for Port... Vinny might have to try and grab a ruck from somewhere... Got the oldies to try and snare one :P.
Correct, we have no ruck. :P
Okay so who has a young good ruck/s they are willing to give up.
Pick 8, 12, 18, 22, 38 all on the table as well as:
Boomer, Kelly, Boyd, Cross, Cornes, Hale, Gilbert, Newman.
I reckon nobody should trade the Dillos a ruck and what them play OOP all season. :P
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 02:00:29 PM
I reckon nobody should trade the Dillos a ruck and what them play OOP all season. :P
So they get pick 1 and a priority?
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 02:00:29 PM
I reckon nobody should trade the Dillos a ruck and what them play OOP all season. :P
So they get pick 1 and a priority?
I'm in for Nails' amusing rants. ;D
I honestly would not mind coming last in the slightest. 2 top 6 picks would help us immensely.
We'd begin to look pretty tasty ;)
Quote from: Nails on September 22, 2014, 02:21:23 PM
I honestly would not mind coming last in the slightest. 2 top 6 picks would help us immensely.
We'd begin to look pretty tasty ;)
You'd only get the 1 top 6 pick :P
1 from coming last - we don't get a priority? :( we need to suck 2 years in a row for one?
We have got picks 2, 8, 12, 18, 22, 38 in this draft too.
Quote from: Nails on September 22, 2014, 02:25:10 PM
1 from coming last - we don't get a priority? :( we need to suck 2 years in a row for one?
< 4 wins for 1 year, you get priority at END of round 1
< 4 wins for 2 years, you get priority at START of round 1
just putting him out there will only move him if a very very good offer.
the MVP of the comp
Tom Rockliff.
send me your offers.
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 02:25:25 PM
We have got picks 2, 8, 12, 18, 22, 38 in this draft too.
You guys realise that most of these players will hardly play next season?
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 02:27:38 PM
just putting him out there will only move him if a very very good offer.
the MVP of the comp
Tom Rockliff.
send me your offers.
Almost required to trade Rockliff. He has 3 best and fairests at 3 different clubs in only 3 years....
Quote from: Master Q on September 22, 2014, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 02:25:25 PM
We have got picks 2, 8, 12, 18, 22, 38 in this draft too.
You guys realise that most of these players will hardly play next season?
You realize we aren't going to keep all the picks.
Took approximately 2782 hours to get that done but did eventually, cheers J, confirm.
Very interested to see the new look Dillos at the end of the trade period.
It'll be weaker ofc, but got some younger guys haha.
Not the greatest rebuild but we don't have much to work with.
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 03:31:26 PM
Took approximately 2782 hours to get that done but did eventually, cheers J, confirm.
Nice Trade Mike
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 03:31:26 PM
Took approximately 2782 hours to get that done but did eventually, cheers J, confirm.
Nice Trade Mike
Hahaha cheers
yeah :( dillos screwed
but picks over the next 2-3 seasons will prop us up.
Maybe we could have put 4% more effort in and got slightly better players but I think we got some potential players like Biggs who been slaying the NEAFL
Our rebuild won't be complete until we get Johannisen. Therefore we might never finish rebuilding.
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
im confused, there is the big 1 (Dublin) than Suns + Pumas on the next level but cant work out who else is in that tier.
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Maybe the other guys should have chased harder, we offered numerous times. ;)
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
im confused, there is the big 1 (Dublin) than Suns + Pumas on the next level but cant work out who else is in that tier.
Pretty arrogant when you've only made finals once, whereas I have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd, been a minor premier, 2 x preseason champions + champions league winner ;)
maybe the other teams didn't want them :o
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:44:21 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
im confused, there is the big 1 (Dublin) than Suns + Pumas on the next level but cant work out who else is in that tier.
Pretty arrogant when you've only made finals once, whereas I have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd, been a minor premier, 2 x preseason champions + champions league winner ;)
been the big word.
Has Beens
Im a little arrogant ;) got to expect this till I get beaten (so maybe 3-4 years )
New York are on the look out for a forward - a starting quality forward
I know it's slim pickings, but if anyone has a good forward they could put on the table, then please PM me with who you have, and what you are looking for in return :)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2014, 03:53:49 PM
Beijing are on the look out for a forward - a starting quality forward
no mention of age.
Chappy is a premo starting forward ;)
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 03:57:40 PM
no mention of age.
Chappy is a premo starting forward ;)
But will you even get Chappy? :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 22, 2014, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 03:57:40 PM
no mention of age.
Chappy is a premo starting forward ;)
But will you even get Chappy? :P
have had a few comments that im losing the trade and none that im winning. Everyone would love to see Dublin lose so should pass in landslide.
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
?? Isn't that the point
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
They try that in real life too, the only difference is real life has ASADA to step in.
Ossada?
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have had a few comments that im losing the trade and none that im winning. Everyone would love to see Dublin lose so should pass in landslide.
I hope that's not the case as that's just wrong. No one should be turning a blind eye just because one team has more than another
For me personally, the teams involved are irrelevant to a certain extent. As long as its fair for both teams then that's fine
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have had a few comments that im losing the trade and none that im winning. Everyone would love to see Dublin lose so should pass in landslide.
I hope that's not the case as that's just wrong. No one should be turning a blind eye just because one team has more than another
For me personally, the teams involved are irrelevant to a certain extent. As long as its fair for both teams then that's fine
that particular trade is a win win for the teams involved
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
?? Isn't that the point
yeah I was under the impression thats what the aim of this was. Sydney had a pretty amazing team than thought hey lets add buddy to make us even better.
The reason the competition is going to be uneven is because of people that don't get active in trade period and just sit on their teams. Cannot blame people that wanna make their team stronger and go out and get trades done.
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
The reason the competition is going to be uneven is because of people that don't get active in trade period and just sit on their teams. Cannot blame people that wanna make their team stronger and go out and get trades done.
its also because deals that are fair look uneven in a few years because one coach either got lucky or picked the potential.
Like my pick 5 for Gray deal. Looks a joke now but it could easily have gone the other way. (Sorry Rb for brining this up again)
And their are also coaches who have a team of only 18/19 year olds. They may be super one day, but give other teams easy points now.
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
The reason the competition is going to be uneven is because of people that don't get active in trade period and just sit on their teams. Cannot blame people that wanna make their team stronger and go out and get trades done.
its also because deals that are fair look uneven in a few years because one coach either got lucky or picked the potential.
Like my pick 5 for Gray deal. Looks a joke now but it could easily have gone the other way. (Sorry Rb for brining this up again)
pick 2 for gray?
You can say you profited from the trade.
Quote from: Nails on September 22, 2014, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
The reason the competition is going to be uneven is because of people that don't get active in trade period and just sit on their teams. Cannot blame people that wanna make their team stronger and go out and get trades done.
its also because deals that are fair look uneven in a few years because one coach either got lucky or picked the potential.
Like my pick 5 for Gray deal. Looks a joke now but it could easily have gone the other way. (Sorry Rb for brining this up again)
pick 2 for gray?
You can say you profited from the trade.
got Dustin Martin for Gray i call Dmart for pick 5 a big enough win.
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
?? Isn't that the point
yeah I was under the impression thats what the aim of this was. Sydney had a pretty amazing team than thought hey lets add buddy to make us even better.
Eh, that's the point for some.
Others (probably a ridiculously small minority, might even be alone) like to create a team that's generally competitive and are in it for the fun and community. I'm no glory hunter.
I rather see mostly equal comp rather than a couple of teams struggling and others posting outrageous scores (as seen in Worlds with NDT/Beijing vs Mexico/Pumas/Dublin and Euros with Serbia vs Dinos).
Quote from: nrich102 on September 22, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
And their are also coaches who have a team of only 18/19 year olds. They may be super one day, but give other teams easy points now.
That's you?
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
?? Isn't that the point
yeah I was under the impression thats what the aim of this was. Sydney had a pretty amazing team than thought hey lets add buddy to make us even better.
Eh, that's the point for some.
Others (probably a ridiculously small minority, might even be alone) like to create a team that's generally competitive and are in it for the fun and community. I'm no glory hunter.
I rather see mostly equal comp rather than a couple of teams struggling and others posting outrageous scores (as seen in Worlds with NDT/Beijing vs Mexico/Pumas/Dublin and Euros with Serbia vs Dinos).
doesnt have to be about the glory my aim is to build as good a list as I can if I do that im happy. Im all about trading and drafting if I win or not it doesnt matter too much.
Quote from: Master Q on September 22, 2014, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on September 22, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
And their are also coaches who have a team of only 18/19 year olds. They may be super one day, but give other teams easy points now.
That's you?
Yeah, I guess it is :-X
^two tier solution
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
?? Isn't that the point
yeah I was under the impression thats what the aim of this was. Sydney had a pretty amazing team than thought hey lets add buddy to make us even better.
Eh, that's the point for some.
Others (probably a ridiculously small minority, might even be alone) like to create a team that's generally competitive and are in it for the fun and community. I'm no glory hunter.
I rather see mostly equal comp rather than a couple of teams struggling and others posting outrageous scores (as seen in Worlds with NDT/Beijing vs Mexico/Pumas/Dublin and Euros with Serbia vs Dinos).
You play to win.
Why would you play to be generally competitive? :P
Doesn't help when a few coaches just do nothing with their team and then expect to be competitive next season.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 22, 2014, 04:16:01 PM
^two tier solution
i vote we ban ossie from having ideas
You're not about drafting at all Holz :P.
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 22, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 22, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 22, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Love how basically all of the Dillos old players have just been traded to the other big 3. Can see a big gap emerging between those 3 and the chasers...
Noticed that as well, pretty sure the comp will be a bit uneven up the top for a while to come, unless more freak upsets occur :P.
This comp will never be even as long as we have people intent on creating the ultimate team... :-X
?? Isn't that the point
yeah I was under the impression thats what the aim of this was. Sydney had a pretty amazing team than thought hey lets add buddy to make us even better.
Eh, that's the point for some.
Others (probably a ridiculously small minority, might even be alone) like to create a team that's generally competitive and are in it for the fun and community. I'm no glory hunter.
I rather see mostly equal comp rather than a couple of teams struggling and others posting outrageous scores (as seen in Worlds with NDT/Beijing vs Mexico/Pumas/Dublin and Euros with Serbia vs Dinos).
doesnt have to be about the glory my aim is to build as good a list as I can if I do that im happy. Im all about trading and drafting if I win or not it doesnt matter too much.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/dGtGXBGDptJqU/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 22, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
You're not about drafting at all Holz :P.
not anymore but in the past.
2012:
10 hogan (walters)
30: anderson (really rated him)
R1: Taberner (got me halfway to Schaz a former pick 3 in worlds)
PD15: Boston (superstar just you wait)
2011:
5: omeara (fyfe than Buddy + extra)
33: B.Hill (pretty good player)
69: Lachy Neale!!! (see im not bad)
ill do my research and see if i can pick up any more Lachy Neale type players late up in the draft. than package them for stars ;)
Quote from: Holzman on September 22, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 22, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
The reason the competition is going to be uneven is because of people that don't get active in trade period and just sit on their teams. Cannot blame people that wanna make their team stronger and go out and get trades done.
its also because deals that are fair look uneven in a few years because one coach either got lucky or picked the potential.
Like my pick 5 for Gray deal. Looks a joke now but it could easily have gone the other way. (Sorry Rb for brining this up again)
Eh, I've moved on...only just though.
New York, Beijing and others looking for a forward I may have a couple to offer up, if I assume Ryder and Ziebell will get DPP that pushes 2 starting forwards out. Looking for a good mid or < 27 year old defender. Players like Leigh Adams, Mitch Robinson, MAYBE Jack Riewoldt can be packaged with picks to get stars.
JOR could be on the move. Haven't really decided what I want, but hit me up with some offers if you want a former number 2 draft pick ;)
McGlynn and Salem still for sale for a defender
Quote from: Nails on September 22, 2014, 02:21:23 PM
I honestly would not mind coming last in the slightest. 2 top 6 picks would help us immensely.
We'd begin to look pretty tasty ;)
Admission of tanking!!!!!!
lol
Pick 16, Seb Ross, Jesse Lonergan, Sam Lloyd all on sale for a good defender.
Jackson Sheringham, Josh Simpson, Ashley Smith, Tom Campbell all going for picks if anyone keen.
Quote from: Boomz on September 22, 2014, 05:41:23 PM
Pick 16, Seb Ross, Jesse Lonergan, Sam Lloyd all on sale for a good defender.
Jackson Sheringham, Josh Simpson, Ashley Smith, Tom Campbell all going for picks if anyone keen.
Add Tim Golds to the list.
Mark Baguley and Brian Lake are on the table, for teams looking for defenders.
Matthew Pavlich could also be moved on, for the right price.
Sam Gilbert on the table guys, only 28 years old, PM Nails and myself. :)
I like how your selling point for him is he is only 28, I should try that...
Scott McMahon on the table guys, only 28 years old, PM me. :)
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 23, 2014, 09:06:56 PM
I like how your selling point for him is he is only 28, I should try that...
Scott McMahon on the table guys, only 28 years old, PM me. :)
doesn't work if you make fun of the previous person for doing it lol
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 23, 2014, 09:06:56 PM
Scott McMahon on the table guys, only 28 years old, PM me. :)
To be fair, McMahon moves like he's 45 :P
Had a bit of interest in Tim Membrey and he could be gone soon.
So if you're keen, get your offers in soon ;)
Quote from: Holzman on September 23, 2014, 10:33:57 PM
I actually think a straight swap is fair but im adding in pick 39 which is pretty decent.
lol'd
Is anyone looking for picks?
We have quite a few in the 28-50 range, so if your after a few and have players to offer (Players that actually play :P) then hit me up
Quote from: elephants on September 23, 2014, 09:09:39 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 23, 2014, 09:06:56 PM
Scott McMahon on the table guys, only 28 years old, PM me. :)
To be fair, McMahon moves like he's 45 :P
Think you might be confusing his age with the number he wears, which is 42 :P
Hocking, Keefe, Russell, Hunt, Anthony, Macaffer all available for picks.
flower ROK retired :(
Looks like New York is more or less complete for now, shut for business
Aaron Black is the only player we have that we might trade, because we have had a lot of interest for him
If you want Black, shoot me a PM
In order to get him, you need to be offering a forward, ruck or mid. If you have a very good forward, ruck or mid, we have Picks that we can offer on top
ban Vinny for posting smilys in the confirmation thread :P
I just give my opinion in one smiley without clogging up the thread. ;)
do it in this thread the confirmation thread is not for opinions mate
it's not that big a deal but annoying when you think oh a trade been done but nope just Vinny posting a smily lol
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 24, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
do it in this thread the confirmation thread is not for opinions mate
it's not that big a deal but annoying when you think oh a trade been done but nope just Vinny posting a smily lol
a trade had been done
vinny's smiley for my :-*
:P
There you go.
*compiles votes*
Only 3 coaches left to vote - Hellopplz, pothead and Ringo
No trades definitively passed or failed yet.
slaps HP
HP just told me all dildos trades approved.
Checks PMs.
More WXV Cotchin offers. Lel - every second WXV pm is enquiring about him.
I don't think people have gotten the message yet - we don't want to trade Cotchin. You'd have to pay massive overs for him if you want him (this is not a message to encourage more bids btw).
I hear Cotchin is for sale, hit up Memph with offers guys.
Quote from: Nails on September 24, 2014, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on September 24, 2014, 06:51:22 AM
Dillos give: N58 + N72
Seoul give: Liam Anthony + N64
Obviously a huge risk that Anthony will get delisted and/or retire considering he can't get games. But we're hoping he'll go to a new club or get reconsidered at North. I feel like we'll most likely lose this trade but if he returns to AFL we could be big winners.
If he does get delisted, hopefully it's before trade voting so this trade gets negged :P
confirmed
how dare you take my man.
Rocky for Anthony?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 24, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
Checks PMs.
More WXV Cotchin offers. Lel - every second WXV pm is enquiring about him.
I don't think people have gotten the message yet - we don't want to trade Cotchin. You'd have to pay massive overs for him if you want him (this is not a message to encourage more bids btw).
Been getting the same for Parker lol
Quote from: Boomz on September 24, 2014, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 24, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
Checks PMs.
More WXV Cotchin offers. Lel - every second WXV pm is enquiring about him.
I don't think people have gotten the message yet - we don't want to trade Cotchin. You'd have to pay massive overs for him if you want him (this is not a message to encourage more bids btw).
Been getting the same for Parker lol
Been getting the same about Beams, Prestia, Smith and Breust.
Just ask JROO. :P
Also vented to Toga about it also.
Been getting the same for Jpod!
Was getting heaps about Masten! Glad someone else will have to deal with the constant messages about him! :P
Quote from: Boomz on September 24, 2014, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 24, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
Checks PMs.
More WXV Cotchin offers. Lel - every second WXV pm is enquiring about him.
I don't think people have gotten the message yet - we don't want to trade Cotchin. You'd have to pay massive overs for him if you want him (this is not a message to encourage more bids btw).
Been getting the same for Parker lol
Been getting the same for Sidey, but I'm not sooking about it :P
Same is happening for Dean Cox and Heath Scotland
It hurts me to knock the offers back but I just see these players having bright futures.
Just wondering whether I should be a stick in the mud and delay voting till Sunday still within the time limit and make you sweat. Am agonising over 4 trades atm so may need tjat long to digest.
I've got uni assessments on until tomorrow and then got a ball to go to tomorrow night so probably will vote on Friday or the weekend :P. People know I'm pretty busy lately haha.
Can we have a shorter time frame for voting on trades? :P
If you have time to post in this thread you have time to vote :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 24, 2014, 04:04:03 PM
If you have time to post in this thread you have time to vote :P
This! :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 24, 2014, 04:04:03 PM
If you have time to post in this thread you have time to vote :P
Why do you guys need so much time to vote, and even more so "agonise" over decisions?
Seriously, unless it's blatantly wrong, just pass them
The teams have agreed - I think the voting should be to just stop any blatant rip offs
I was getting so many Crouch offers, but none in the past 2 weeks *thank god* once people realised my asking price :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 24, 2014, 04:08:29 PM
I was getting so many Crouch offers, but none in the past 2 weeks *thank god* once people realised my asking price :P
I think you should trade Brad to New Delhi, so he can be a Crouch(ing) Tiger... :o ::) :-\
I'll show myself out :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 24, 2014, 04:08:29 PM
I was getting so many Crouch offers, but none in the past 2 weeks *thank god* once people realised my asking price :P
Matt for Brad?
Those in the know saying Matt is better
Yet you want Brad :P
Quote from: Nails on September 24, 2014, 04:41:52 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 24, 2014, 04:08:29 PM
I was getting so many Crouch offers, but none in the past 2 weeks *thank god* once people realised my asking price :P
Matt for Brad?
Those in the know saying Matt is better
They also said that Fabio was better than Rafel, or Thorgan better than Eden, and look how they have turned out :P
Well its tough to pm on phone.... and because people can't be patient I won't feel bad voting a bit later this week :).
Just the one offer in jelly.suprised.
The premiership captain won't move though.
Quote from: Holzman on September 24, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Just the one offer in jelly.suprised.
The premiership captain won't move though.
Was that me? If not, I was very keen on him :P
Quote from: JROO8 on September 24, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 24, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Just the one offer in jelly.suprised.
The premiership captain won't move though.
Was that me? If not, I was very keen on him :P
You're usually very keen on everybody you enquire about. :P
Quote from: JROO8 on September 24, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 24, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Just the one offer in jelly.suprised.
The premiership captain won't move though.
Was that me? If not, I was very keen on him :P
Yeah.
Rocky can move as he betrayed me in the grandfinal.
Quote from: Holzman on September 24, 2014, 05:20:22 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 24, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 24, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Just the one offer in jelly.suprised.
The premiership captain won't move though.
Was that me? If not, I was very keen on him :P
Yeah.
Rocky can move as he betrayed me in the grandfinal.
Bring Rocky home!
You can have all of New Delhi + all our picks for the next 10 years.
Have had a few teams enquire about Aaron Black
Looks like he will go - so get your offers in if you want him :)
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 24, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 24, 2014, 04:08:29 PM
I was getting so many Crouch offers, but none in the past 2 weeks *thank god* once people realised my asking price :P
I think you should trade Brad to New Delhi, so he can be a Crouch(ing) Tiger... :o ::) :-\
I'll show myself out :P
Lol ;D
Did Jukes get banned because of the WXV stuff? I can't send him any PMs.
Quote from: Vinny on September 24, 2014, 05:52:09 PM
Did Jukes get banned because of the WXV stuff? I can't send him any PMs.
I saw something in the Jukes/Jay NFL thread about a possible warning/ban?
Quote from: Vinny on September 24, 2014, 05:52:09 PM
Did Jukes get banned because of the WXV stuff? I can't send him any PMs.
If that's the case, yep... he's banned.
Geez. That feeling when people don't reply to your PMs and confirm a trade with the player you were chasing.
flowering joke.
Quote from: elephants on September 24, 2014, 07:15:36 PM
Geez. That feeling when people don't reply to your PMs and confirm a trade with the player you were chasing.
flowering joke.
You must be dark about that, so dark some would even call you black.
Quote from: Nails on September 24, 2014, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 24, 2014, 07:15:36 PM
Geez. That feeling when people don't reply to your PMs and confirm a trade with the player you were chasing.
flowering joke.
You must be dark about that, so dark some would even call you black.
Simon Black doesn't play anymore though? 8)
Quote from: Pkbaldy on September 24, 2014, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Nails on September 24, 2014, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: elephants on September 24, 2014, 07:15:36 PM
Geez. That feeling when people don't reply to your PMs and confirm a trade with the player you were chasing.
flowering joke.
You must be dark about that, so dark some would even call you black.
Simon Black doesn't play anymore though? 8)
Aaron't you a funny one?
Lol nails :P
HB can you draw a map to the door so Nails can show himself out also :P
You guys serious?
I sent Nails and Rico PMs advising that we decided to trade Black to another team before posting it, and got acknowledgement from both of them
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 24, 2014, 09:01:20 PM
You guys serious?
I sent Nails and Rico PMs advising that we decided to trade Black to another team before posting it, and got acknowledgement from both of them
I'm not disappointed in the slightest lol. I was just playing with LE and took a guess it was you seeing as you were the latest team to make a trade :P
Though you didn't reply to my reply :P but I don't even care in the slightest mate, just saw an opportunity to make jokes so went for it. I wasn't even sure if we wanted Black to be honest. You could have said yes and it might have never happened anyway.
Yeah I know you were just joking. Classic Nails ;D
But I'm hoping Ele meant that for someone else and not us
We are willing to trade someone like
M. Boyd, D. Cross, K. Cornes, J. Schulz, D. Hale etc.
Can also give up picks for your spuds
For a bunch of your spuds/depth. Even for some retirees that have points on the cap. We need a trade that'll add points to our cap so we're free to trade out the others.
Got a spud? we'll take 'em. Got 5? we'll take 'em all!
Nails we can offer Hocking and Macaffer
Just posting here for everyones information - Due to a family crisis and personal matters will be in and out over the next couple of days so I ask your indulgence with me for trades especially the Broadbent one. Hopefully I can get organised for Saturday/Sunday.
Quote from: Ringo on September 25, 2014, 07:35:30 AM
Just posting here for everyones information - Due to a family crisis and personal matters will be in and out over the next couple of days so I ask your indulgence with me for trades especially the Broadbent one. Hopefully I can get organised for Saturday/Sunday.
hope everything is ok mate :)
Thanks Daz - Just Dealing with stubborn and aged Parents who do not see the need to go into care. Both in late 80's and having frequent falls and Dad suffering from Alzheimers, The Joys of the baby boomers with aged Parents on one hand and looking after grand kids on the other end.
Just adds to the day.
Nails we have two big fat juicy spuds that you can have
Shaun Mckernan and Todd Elton
On a separate note, I just reviewed our movements so far during this trade period..
Talk about a list overhaul, perhaps Melbourne should hire AK and I :P
We have delisted 4 rookies and traded out 26 players from the NY 2014 team :o
We have 15 new players at the club ;D
Quote from: Ringo on September 25, 2014, 07:47:39 AM
Thanks Daz - Just Dealing with stubborn and aged Parents who do not see the need to go into care. Both in late 80's and having frequent falls and Dad suffering from Alzheimers, The Joys of the baby boomers with aged Parents on one hand and looking after grand kids on the other end.
Just adds to the day.
Sorry to hear Ringo, sounds like you are handling it like a champion though
Sam Mitchell is available to anybody that wants a solid mid. Still very much capable of scoring well. Would like a defender in return.
Quote from: Nige on September 25, 2014, 02:06:05 PM
McGlynn is available to anybody that wants a solid mid. Still very much capable of scoring well. Would like a defender in return.
Heart skip a beat every time I see a *new* post symbol here :-X gots me some team changing trades I is.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 25, 2014, 03:57:10 PM
Heart skip a beat every time I see a *new* post symbol here :-X gots me some team changing trades I is.
Soz. :P
Blame HP though.
Btw all, I am looking to trade one (maybe 2) of Wells, Montagna (pending), Conca and Langford for a defender. Sweets can be added if that is the case.
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Can we have a shorter time frame for voting on trades? :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 25, 2014, 04:24:37 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Can we have a shorter time frame for voting on trades? :P
maybe you should read Ringo's post cut him some slack
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 25, 2014, 04:24:37 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Can we have a shorter time frame for voting on trades? :P
Not hugely inclined to do that, a week seems reasonable for people to come on and vote - particularly when we reach Christmas/New Year periods.
Have plenty of time guys :)
Just a thought to make trading (in the future) a bit more 'real life'.
Pretty sure I know the response to this idea, but will float it anyway....
If a player is traded in the AFL, they HAVE to be traded in WXV
Just think it would add all sorts of crazy, making inactive coaches more active, and result in some pretty spectacular deals.
Nige to trade Beams... I'd love to see that happen :P
Quote from: ossie85 on September 25, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 25, 2014, 04:24:37 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Can we have a shorter time frame for voting on trades? :P
Not hugely inclined to do that, a week seems reasonable for people to come on and vote - particularly when we reach Christmas/New Year periods.
Have plenty of time guys :)
Just a thought to make trading (in the future) a bit more 'real life'.
Pretty sure I know the response to this idea, but will float it anyway....
If a player is traded in the AFL, they HAVE to be traded in WXV
Just think it would add all sorts of crazy, making inactive coaches more active, and result in some pretty spectacular deals.
Was kidding, hence the :P face. ;)
Not a fan of that crazy idea Oss, I think Purps nailed the reasoning. ;D
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 25, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 25, 2014, 04:24:37 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 24, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Can we have a shorter time frame for voting on trades? :P
maybe you should read Ringo's post cut him some slack
Seriously KB? Of course I know what Ringo said
Obviously if someone has something that requires their attention and needs more time that is completely fine
The comment about making the time frame shorter is beyond this week mate
If someone says they need more time, then fine, but most weeks it should be able to happen a lot quicker than a week
Just out of interest why haven't you done this as 2 separate trades? You have made one deal with Mexico City, and one with Berlin. Berlin and Mexico City don't trade anything to each other...
Or is this your sneaky way of ensuring one more yes vote to try and get it through? :P
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 25, 2014, 04:35:01 PM
Or is this your sneaky way of ensuring one more yes vote to try and get it through? :P
That's probably it.
Still slightly baffled on the idea of trading arguably one's best player and the best player in the comp as well to the biggest premiership threat. :o
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 25, 2014, 04:35:01 PM
Just out of interest why haven't you done this as 2 separate trades? You have made one deal with Mexico City, and one with Berlin. Berlin and Mexico City don't trade anything to each other...
Or is this your sneaky way of ensuring one more yes vote to try and get it through? :P
because if I don't get hurn in the rocky than i cant afford to lose murphy as my backline will be in trouble next year. My trades have a habit of getting rejected so need either to both pass or both fail.
Quote from: Nige on September 25, 2014, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: Honey Badger on September 25, 2014, 04:35:01 PM
Or is this your sneaky way of ensuring one more yes vote to try and get it through? :P
That's probably it.
Still slightly baffled on the idea of trading arguably one's best player and the best player in the comp as well to the biggest premiership threat. :o
as I said im more about building a quality list than going out to win the comp. If it helps Mexico so be it, I think it helps me too. Happy to go in a shoot out.
my team has alot more depth than last year now got guys like Wells Chappy Hansen Currie on the bench so like this year if mass outs hit I can take it.
Captain Joel Selwood has finally got his wish and Rocky has been ousted from Dublin.
Rocky :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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meh Rocky not even a premiership player.
The trade hasn't even been voted on yet but ok.
i feel sick
woah. madness that 3-way trade.
Interesting trade but I think Berlin are getting shafted here and a big win for Dublin despite losing Rockliff.
Berlin gets a a 4th round pick and Bob Murphy who has one season left at a 80-90 avg for a 20 year-old defender with a lot of potential and guy who has 2-3 seasons left and is a 90-100 avg player if fit and a draft pick.
Hmm...Premium defenders are hard to find though so who knows...
Also I personally think JROO is giving up a bit too much for Rocky but I don't really have an issue with that part of the deal.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on September 25, 2014, 05:31:57 PM
Interesting trade but I think Berlin are getting shafted here and a big win for Dublin despite losing Rockliff.
Berlin gets a a 4th round pick and Bob Murphy who has one season left at a 80-90 avg for a 20 year-old defender with a lot of potential and guy who has 2-3 seasons left and is a 90-100 avg player if fit and a draft pick.
Hmm...Premium defenders are hard to find though so who knows...
Also I personally think JROO is giving up a bit too much for Rocky but I don't really have an issue with that part of the deal.
Saunders is a midfielder who very occasionally will play up front but not enough to be F/M. definitely a mid only.
Murphy was the 19th best backman in the comp and lots of the guys above him will lose DPP. Even if Wells gets back to his 2013 form (unlikely as 2 years older) he will be the 56th best midfielder.
Saunders won't be getting dpp anywhere. I am fairly sure of that. I'm also aware of Bob having one more year, and also aware Wells and Saunders have little currency and really to get a premo defender, even for one year, I'm stoked.
I can't remember, do we have a trade period after DPP changes are announced?
Quote from: Nige on September 25, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
I can't remember, do we have a trade period after DPP changes are announced?
Yeah but from memory isn't that the period where only one for one, two for two etc trades can be done? And it has to be associated with the DPP moves in some way or another.
Quote from: roo boys! on September 25, 2014, 06:52:08 PM
Quote from: Nige on September 25, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
I can't remember, do we have a trade period after DPP changes are announced?
Yeah but from memory isn't that the period where only one for one, two for two etc trades can be done? And it has to be associated with the DPP moves in some way or another.
Yeah, I thought it was something along those lines. Cheers.
I had a mid sem worth 30% yesterday, assignment due the day before then only got back home at 3am since also went to a ball tonight. I said I have been busy this week and been checking here on phone in between like on bus or between working. Sending messages especially pms are difficult on this phone as something shifty happens when a long one.
I said I would do it on Friday or Saturday, well within the week limit..
all good HP just get em in when you can 8)
Just the 2 coaches to vote.... I could make decisions now on all trades, but I'd prefer the other two coaches (Hellopplz and pothead) to vote.
Only really a couple of contentous ones this time
Quote from: ossie85 on September 26, 2014, 12:49:14 PM
Just the 2 coaches to vote.... I could make decisions now on all trades, but I'd prefer the other two coaches (Hellopplz and pothead) to vote.
Only really a couple of contentous ones this time
can you tell me if any of mine are "contentous" please Ossie? inbox? :-*
The one reason I wish the trade voting was a shorter time period is because I like to base my future trades off whether my previous trades passed. Makes me hold off not knowing if they went through or not, IDK what I actually have etc.
So I guess we get the results today, and then this weeks trades to vote on too ? :)
Jarman Impey is on the table. Would like a decent defender who could be started at D3/4, happy to throw in a pick or somebody like Tory Dickson to get a deal across the line. ;)
Chuck us a PM if you're keen.
Only pothead hasn't replied, still has time though
Trade 38
Cape Town give: Dale Thomas
Berlin Brewers give: Lachie Hunter + Mitch Honeychurch + Pick 48
Votes against: 3
Coach Comments: 2 people think Berlin giving up too much, 1 thinking Cape Town giving away too much
Admin Comments: A risky strategy, and I think one side wins the trade, but not enough to reject
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 39
Berlin trade: Josh J Kennedy, Paul Duffield + Pick 30
New York trade: Adam Treloar + Pick 24
Votes against: 6
Coach Comments: 5 coaches think pick 24 is too much (Treloar worth about Kennedy, Duffield and 30), 1 coach think New York needs to add a first round pick.
Admin Comments: Basically 4 against (5 one way, 1 the other), I think its one rising superstar for 2 solid premiums. Happy enough.... just.
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 40
Berlin trade: Jack Trengove + Pick 24 (from New York)
New Delhi trade: Leigh Montagna + Will Langford
Votes against: 3
Coach Comments: Feel New Delhi are giving too much
Admin Comments: A fantastic finals series may have edged this trade in favour of Berlin, but not fair to factor that in!
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 41
Beijing give: Pick #5 ID + Sam Naismith + John Butcher
PNL give: Matthew Jaensch + Clay Smith + Cameron Shenton
Votes against: 2
Coach Comments: Believe PNL Is giving up too much
Admin Comments: Surprisingly uncontroversial
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 42
Pacific give: Dean Terlich
Mexico City give: NAT Pick #55
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 43
Pacific give: Jack Frost + NAT pick #49
Tokyo give: NAT pick #27
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 44
Moscow give: Heath Shaw, NAT Pick 28 and NAT Pick 53
New York give: David Armitage and Luke McDonald
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: Finally :P
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 45
Mexico City give: Stewart Crameri, Brandon Jack
Cape Town give: Brad Hill, Jed Lamb
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Believe Hill is worth far more than Crameri, with other 2 cancelling out
Admin Comments: I agree. Brad Hill is a player with huge potential, surprised only 1 voted against it. Probably would have voted against it also.
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 46
New Delhi give: N42 + N78
New York give: Apeness + Sinclair
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Believe Apeness potential worth more than both picks
Admin Comments: Seems cheap
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 47
Tokyo give: Pick 49 (from Pacific)
New York give: Aaron Young & Aidan Corr
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Believes that pick 49 far too cheap
Admin Comments: Kinda agree!
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 48
Cape Town gives: Nat Pick 41
New York give: Will Schofield and Brant Colledge
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 49
Cairo give: N45 and N67
New York give: Matt Arnot, Arryn Siposs and Jake Batchelor
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Believe New York giving away far too much
Admin Comments: Again, seems a cheap price
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 50
Cape Town give: Matt Crouch + Patrick Karnezis
Buenos Aires give: #4 + #54
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Believes Crouch not worth anywhere near pick 4, and the other trade doesn't even it up at all
Admin Comments: Strange, but why not
Final Verdict: PASSED
Trade 51
Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman
Votes against: 7
Coach Comments: Generally feel Dublin giving away too much
Admin Comments: Feel that this trade is bad for the competition.
Final Verdict: REJECTED
flower you all :(
Btw, JJK is like a 79 average forward, far from a Premium :P.
How did the Treloar trade pass?
If I had Treloar I wouldn't even write his name on our player list. I'd never trade him :P
Hahaha who the flower said NY needed to add a first rounder with Treloar?
I don't understand, I cop flack for taking out people in trades to benefit my own. I see that dillos are struggling and rather than shaft them knowing they need to let their old players go I not only make a good offer I over pay to try and make up for everyone trying to rip them off.
Not sure what to do, I win slightly and a trade gets rejected as I'm trying to exploit everyone. I lose and it gets rejected. It's pretty tough to make the perfectly even tradefor everyone.
Personally trealor for jjk duffman 30 is a robbery, let alone 24.
3/7 of your trades haven't passed. You just admitted that trade you overpaid.
What world are you living in Holz?
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
3/7 of your trades haven't passed. You just admitted that trade you overpaid.
What world are you living in Holz?
I thought the point of trade voting was to help make sure teams don't get too one sided. If dillos don't trade their old guys the will collapse and probably need saving. Teams are shafting them knowing that.
If a strong team is openly trying to help them out. Than I get told I can't do that and should offer a weaker deal.
Than next season when Dublin is strong and dillos are weak people will be calling for equalization. I'm trying to stop that before it happens.
Holzman you adding Swan and Chapman and basically losing no starting 15 players is bad for the competition imo
Wait so people feel we are getting too much in the deal and rejected it but then Os you reckon Holz is giving too little and rejected it?
I'm confused now, the coaches say Dublin are losing but Oss says they are winning?
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 12:46:59 PM
Holzman you adding Swan and Chapman and basically losing no starting 15 players is bad for the competition imo
Ok that's fair enough just confused as the voting was making it look like it was all down to me giving too much.
What can dillos do though as only a few top teams and they won't give up starters for them.
Quote from: Holzman on September 28, 2014, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
3/7 of your trades haven't passed. You just admitted that trade you overpaid.
What world are you living in Holz?
I thought the point of trade voting was to help make sure teams don't get too one sided. If dillos don't trade their old guys the will collapse and probably need saving. Teams are shafting them knowing that.
If a strong team is openly trying to help them out. Than I get told I can't do that and should offer a weaker deal.
Than next season when Dublin is strong and dillos are weak people will be calling for equalization. I'm trying to stop that before it happens.
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Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 28, 2014, 12:49:07 PM
I'm confused now, the coaches say Dublin are losing but Oss says they are winning?
yep, no idea what those coaches are smoking
Yeah Dublin definitely won that trade IMO. That's why I voted against it.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 28, 2014, 12:49:07 PM
I'm confused now, the coaches say Dublin are losing but Oss says they are winning?
yep, no idea what those coaches are smoking
I smoke only the finest cubans thank you very much :P.
Given reckon #12 is worth Chappy due to age/scoring. So relies on the rest of the trade for the passing/negging.
Should feel I should point out, that New York asked for a starting defender and starting forward for treloar, a fairly long time before I offered that. Meaning no one else was willing to give them that.
Just sayin. But very relieved all 3 of my trades got through.
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2014, 01:07:12 PM
Should feel I should point out, that New York asked for a starting defender and starting forward for treloar, a fairly long time before I offered that. Meaning no one else was willing to give them that.
Just sayin. But very relieved all 3 of my trades got through.
Exactly
Purple was the only person who could offer us a defender and forward capable of being starters
The deal when broke down is essentially JJK and Duffield, both starters who are capable of averaging 80-90 for Treloar, who is a mid capable of averaging 110+. 30 and 24 is a slight improvement for Purple as he gave up 2 starters for 1
Cant even believe so many people neg'd it. Just glad Ossies common sense prevailed here
You guys need to realise that Mids score more than the rest, and cant just straight up compare 110 avg vs 80 avg
How is JJK an 80-90 forward?
Treloar is 21 years old. Duffield is 29.
Treloar is worth more than JJK and Duffield alone.
I think it wouldn't have been negged as much if the 24 wasn't there.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on September 28, 2014, 01:07:12 PM
Should feel I should point out, that New York asked for a starting defender and starting forward for treloar, a fairly long time before I offered that. Meaning no one else was willing to give them that.
Just sayin. But very relieved all 3 of my trades got through.
Exactly
Purple was the only person who could offer us a defender and forward capable of being starters
The deal when broke down is essentially JJK and Duffield, both starters who are capable of averaging 80-90 for Treloar, who is a mid capable of averaging 110+. 30 and 24 is a slight improvement for Purple as he gave up 2 starters for 1
Cant even believe so many people neg'd it. Just glad Ossies common sense prevailed here
You guys need to realise that Mids score more than the rest, and cant just straight up compare 110 avg vs 80 avg
Agreed but it's the age difference.
If trealor was 27+ this deal would have been fair.
According to the above trade I should have done Walters + Hansen for trealor + 24.
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 12:18:44 PM
How did the Treloar trade pass?
1 gun mid for 2 starting def/fwd shouldn't pass according to you, but giving Dublin 2 old farts for essentially 2 first round picks and 5 players should pass? LOL pls
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 12:18:58 PM
If I had Treloar I wouldn't even write his name on our player list. I'd never trade him :P
Sometimes you need to make a big call and trade someone you normally wouldn't for the betterment of the overall team and it's long term future. Only time will tell, but it's decisions like this that could be defining
You guys just think "WTF would trade Treloar" but don't take into consideration that if we didn't we would have to field crap defenders and rookie forwards or players OOP which would cost us much more points than the points lost from Treloar, especially when we already have enough mids guns capable of averaging 100+
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2014, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 12:18:44 PM
How did the Treloar trade pass?
1 gun mid for 2 starting def/fwud shouldn't pass according to you, but giving Dublin 2 old farts for essentially 2 first round picks and 5 players should pass? LOL pls
Our trade got rejected because Dublin gave too little according to Os, so I don't know what you are talking about.
Old farts? You call them old farts when they score premium numbers and JJK averages 79 and he is premium, yep alright.
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 01:20:24 PM
How is JJK an 80-90 forward?
Ummm because this year he averaged 80 and last year he averaged 90
The Eagles will get better too
With so many teams in XVs and not much forwards, he is a starter in any team
Like I said, you need to look beyond averages and age. Position and the impact of not having starters in those positions are huge factors too. JJK has recently turned 27. He has 5 years of solid footy to go
IMO the trade was spot on in terms of fairness and benefit for both teams involved
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 12:18:58 PM
If I had Treloar I wouldn't even write his name on our player list. I'd never trade him :P
Sometimes you need to make a big call and trade someone you normally wouldn't for the betterment of the overall team and it's long term future. Only time will tell, but it's decisions like this that could be defining
You guys just think "WTF would trade Treloar" but don't take into consideration that if we didn't we would have to field crap defenders and rookie forwards or players OOP which would cost us much more points than the points lost from Treloar, especially when we already have enough mids guns capable of averaging 100+
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This isn't a trade for your long term future. This is a short term fix. In fact most of your trades are... but I don't have an issue with that, as I have no problems with teams wanting to compete now.
If Berlin offered me JJK and Duffield for Wines I would probably turn it down.
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Our trade got rejected because Dublin gave too little according to Os, so I don't know what you are talking about.
Old farts? You call them old farts when they score premium numbers and JJK averages 79 and he is premium, yep alright.
Os is the only person of that view. All the coaches who neg'd it said because holz was paying overs. Os says he gets two starters while you get no starters
Where did I say "Premium"? Starters Vinny. JJK is a starter in ANY XV team
He has averaged 90 once in his career.
Averaged 79 this season. Eagles getting better isn't enough to say he is a premium. He is 50th forward in the comp.
JJK kicked 11 against GWS boosted his average again.
I understand that it suits your team needs but imo Treloar is worth far more than that because he is only 21. Duffield is nearly done too. If the 24 wasn't included I think it is far enough to pass.
I think you are making a fix for 2 years that won't do you any good long term but thats up to you.
The trade is done so no point in this just saying what I thought. :P
EDIT: Os said two solid premiums and Purps, HP and ML came out and said they rejected it cause Dublin giving too little.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2014, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Our trade got rejected because Dublin gave too little according to Os, so I don't know what you are talking about.
Old farts? You call them old farts when they score premium numbers and JJK averages 79 and he is premium, yep alright.
Os is the only person of that view. All the coaches who neg'd it said because holz was paying overs. Os says he gets two starters while you get no starters
Where did I say "Premium"? Starters Vinny. JJK is a starter in ANY XV team
Not Dublin.
Duffield will be outscored by 4 of my backman too.
Trealor would start in my midfield though.
JJK wouldn't start in a lot of teams by the way.
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
This isn't a trade for your long term future. This is a short term fix. In fact most of your trades are... but I don't have an issue with that, as I have no problems with teams wanting to compete now.
If Berlin offered me JJK and Duffield for Wines I would probably turn it down.
JJK just turned 27 and it's a short term fix?
Perhaps you would turn it down because Wines is your best player. We already have Stevie J, Libba, Duncan and Macrae for starting mids, so giving up Treloar to get starting defenders and forwards was what we had to do
I've explained all the reasoning behind the trade, and it makes perfect sense. Anyone who disagrees still after all of that, then I couldn't care. The trade is done :)
He said short term fix cause Duffield is 29 and in two years, he is out of the equation and JJK is 29 whilst Treloar is still about 23. So yeah it is a short term fix man. ;)
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 01:42:28 PM
He said short term fix cause Duffield is 29 and in two years, he is out of the equation and JJK is 29 whilst Treloar is still about 23. So yeah it is a short term fix man. ;)
We can go around in circles all day...
Funny how it's the bottom 2 teams who are having a go at us for this trade....
We have made trades that will get us out of the bottom 4 and into the top 4. Our list wont have any players retire for the next few years too and we have plenty of young players.
If you guys are making decisions that will benefit your team in 5 years time, and get smashed until then, then that is your choice
If every coach coached the same, then the comp would be boring. Just because you might have a view on something another team is doing, doesn't mean its right
Haha so we can't have a go at you cause we are a bottom team...not sure if srs..
I could go and say that you are a new coach and stuff but that is stupid, doesn't mean you don't get to have an opinion.
Don't be like that..
We were a top team for a while and now we are rebuilding.
JJK wouldn't have played at the Dildos last season. Would have been handy backup though
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 01:52:04 PM
Haha so we can't have a go at you cause we are a bottom team...not sure if srs..
I could go and say that you are a new coach and stuff but that is stupid, doesn't mean you don't get to have an opinion.
Don't be like that..
We were a top team for a while and now we are rebuilding.
No, I just don't know why you are having a go in the first place. The trade was passed and both teams involved in the trade are happy with it. Anything outside of that is irrelevant
We said we need a defender and forward for Treloar, and Purple was the team that gave us the best offer
I don't care whether JJK ranked 50th. When the 49 forwards before him are not being offered to us (with a starting defender) then what can we do?
Dusty, Gray, Buddy etc where not going to be traded by their owners. JJK works well for what we were looking for
I get why you guys did the trade, it's just contentious saying JJK is a premium forward :P. And PNL are far from a bottom team (this year) :-X.
Quote from: Hellopplz on September 28, 2014, 02:06:54 PM
I get why you guys did the trade, it's just contentious saying JJK is a premium forward :P. And PNL are far from a bottom team (this year) :-X.
I have not used the word PREMIUM at all :)
He is a starter for us. We needed a starter, that is all
Anyway, Vin deleted his last post but I agree with it - Lets move on :)
Nah was from earlier :P. But trade was passed so nothing can be done about it now.
:-X
The deal suited both teams.
We now have a good starting XV for next year and balanced cover which is what we aimed for.
Holy showerstorm. :o
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 01:42:28 PM
He said short term fix cause Duffield is 29 and in two years, he is out of the equation and JJK is 29 whilst Treloar is still about 23. So yeah it is a short term fix man. ;)
We can go around in circles all day...
Funny how it's the bottom 2 teams who are having a go at us for this trade....
We have made trades that will get us out of the bottom 4 and into the top 4. Our list wont have any players retire for the next few years too and we have plenty of young players.
If you guys are making decisions that will benefit your team in 5 years time, and get smashed until then, then that is your choice
If every coach coached the same, then the comp would be boring. Just because you might have a view on something another team is doing, doesn't mean its right
the only problem i have with the whole thing is you assuming you will be top 4 got plenty of comp for that :P...lol
Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman
Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.
Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.
The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value
They're allowed to trade them. Just for the right price. And in this trade they're getting too much.
They traded Stevie J and others.
How are they getting too much? Swan is worth N12 + N21 + Delaney + Jetta by himself if Barlow is worth N2 + N4 + N22
You guys really think Dublin going undefeated is good for the comp?
Buenos Aires are a top 4 team three years in a row, this talk of needing a dramatic rebuild is premature
Swan isn't worth that much and Chappy is worth pick 21 maybe
i think Swan is worth around pick 12
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
You guys really think Dublin going undefeated is good for the comp?
Buenos Aires are a top 4 team three years in a row, this talk of needing a dramatic rebuild is premature
Rejecting trades because teams are too strong isn't good for the comp.
Agree that Dildo's weren't necessarily at that re-build point but thats the coaches decision and its already started when Barlow went for N2 N4 N22
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 28, 2014, 05:27:02 PM
Swan isn't worth that much and Chappy is worth pick 21 maybe
i think Swan is worth around pick 12
Delaney and Jetta are 26-24 next year and never gone over 70ave and have questionable JS in the past. Swan still has 2 years left on his current contract plus another year or two possibly. Is an elite scorer and has had a down year due to injury. Plus a slight chance of fwd status. He is worth that
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:24:54 PM
How are they getting too much? Swan is worth N12 + N21 + Delaney + Jetta by himself if Barlow is worth N2 + N4 + N22
Swanny is done. He averaged 86.4 according to FF, compared to Barlow's 111. Not sure how that is "similar". Barlow is 27, and in his prime. Swan is 30 and doesn't look like he is in great shape :P
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
You guys really think Dublin going undefeated is good for the comp?
Buenos Aires are a top 4 team three years in a row, this talk of needing a dramatic rebuild is premature
If you look at our scores over the last 8 rounds we would've been probably bottom 4-6 for scoring average. Dillos hit a wall, rebuild is a must.
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:24:54 PM
How are they getting too much? Swan is worth N12 + N21 + Delaney + Jetta by himself if Barlow is worth N2 + N4 + N22
Swanny is done. He averaged 86.4 according to FF, compared to Barlow's 111. Not sure how that is "similar". Barlow is 27, and in his prime. Swan is 30 and doesn't look like he is in great shape :P
Just added my thoughts on Swanny above. Basically a season ruined by injury. Has elite scoring potential and a slight chance of fwd status. One down year doesn't change his scoring ability
Quote from: DazBurg on September 28, 2014, 04:50:08 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on September 28, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: Vinny on September 28, 2014, 01:42:28 PM
He said short term fix cause Duffield is 29 and in two years, he is out of the equation and JJK is 29 whilst Treloar is still about 23. So yeah it is a short term fix man. ;)
We can go around in circles all day...
Funny how it's the bottom 2 teams who are having a go at us for this trade....
We have made trades that will get us out of the bottom 4 and into the top 4. Our list wont have any players retire for the next few years too and we have plenty of young players.
If you guys are making decisions that will benefit your team in 5 years time, and get smashed until then, then that is your choice
If every coach coached the same, then the comp would be boring. Just because you might have a view on something another team is doing, doesn't mean its right
the only problem i have with the whole thing is you assuming you will be top 4 got plenty of comp for that :P...lol
RD gone very early with that prediciton :o We decided we needed a balance between fixing our forward issues and balancing our very good young depth with experience which hopefully will pay dividends.
Just for comparison, in AXV Swan was traded for Ricky Henderson+ Rohan Bail
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
You guys really think Dublin going undefeated is good for the comp?
Buenos Aires are a top 4 team three years in a row, this talk of needing a dramatic rebuild is premature
Rejecting trades because teams are too strong isn't good for the comp.
Agree that Dildo's weren't necessarily at that re-build point but thats the coaches decision and its already started when Barlow went for N2 N4 N22
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 28, 2014, 05:27:02 PM
Swan isn't worth that much and Chappy is worth pick 21 maybe
i think Swan is worth around pick 12
Delaney and Jetta are 26-24 next year and never gone over 70ave and have questionable JS in the past. Swan still has 2 years left on his current contract plus another year or two possibly. Is an elite scorer and has had a down year due to injury. Plus a slight chance of fwd status. He is worth that
just fyi, you can reject trades on the basis a strong team is getting stonger (gaining 2 starting xv, losing none) or a weaker team getting weaker
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 28, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Just for comparison, in AXV Swan was traded for Ricky Henderson+ Rohan Bail
yeh but was sent to the trade committee because most felt it wasn't near enough man
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
You guys really think Dublin going undefeated is good for the comp?
Buenos Aires are a top 4 team three years in a row, this talk of needing a dramatic rebuild is premature
Rejecting trades because teams are too strong isn't good for the comp.
Agree that Dildo's weren't necessarily at that re-build point but thats the coaches decision and its already started when Barlow went for N2 N4 N22
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 28, 2014, 05:27:02 PM
Swan isn't worth that much and Chappy is worth pick 21 maybe
i think Swan is worth around pick 12
Delaney and Jetta are 26-24 next year and never gone over 70ave and have questionable JS in the past. Swan still has 2 years left on his current contract plus another year or two possibly. Is an elite scorer and has had a down year due to injury. Plus a slight chance of fwd status. He is worth that
just fyi, you can reject trades on the basis a strong team is getting stonger (gaining 2 starting xv, losing none) or a weaker team getting weaker
Last I checked that wasn't the rule and if it is it should be stopped. Trades should be looked at individually.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 28, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Just for comparison, in AXV Swan was traded for Ricky Henderson+ Rohan Bail
there is no comparison between AXV and WXV and I'm pretty sure this trade is getting rejected.
Beunos Aires give: Steve Johnson
New York give: Pick 8 and Shaun Atley
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Stevie J is a way way way way better than Swanny and have similar time left in the competition.
N12 + N21 + Delaney + Jetta is too much IMO, let alone the rest of the trade...
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Beunos Aires give: Steve Johnson
New York give: Pick 8 and Shaun Atley
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Stevie J is a way way way way better than Swanny and have similar time left in the competition.
N12 + N21 + Delaney + Jetta is too much IMO, let alone the rest of the trade...
N12 + Delaney roughly = N8
N21 + Jetta = Atley
The players are worth so little. They're over halfway through their careers and aren't even close to being starters.
Johnson is a year older and never averaged over 116. Swan had 5 years of 117+ before this injury affected year
It's not really a matter of the Dildos going for too much, it's the cap.
Neville Jetta and Luke Delaney are two HACKS they're worth pretty much nothing. a 25yo averaging 43 - worth nothing.
Also Dane Swan will be a forward next year - 100 average Swan forward better than whatever Stevie J averages in the mids.
Also Atley is worth more than Neville Jetta and Luke Delaney combined.
Delaney a 25yo defender averaging 43 - worth nothing.
N. Jetta an about to be 25yo midfielder on the fringe of his club's 22 is averaging 60.
Atley is a young just turned 22 - 2 weeks ago soon to be premo defender. He's worth Delaney + Jetta + Frost + Pick 12 alone.
The problem the Dildos have is we don't want these spuds. We're only interested in the picks and Hewett. None of the other players are worth anything. We're only trading them because we need the cap points.
I don't think anyone has looked at the quality of Jetta/Delaney. Sam Frost is a KPP who doesn't seem to be fantasy relevant.
The Dillos don't want these hacks, they're flowering jokes of players. 25yo and can't even get a game half the time. Our problem is we can't trade WITHOUT getting them because we'd go below this stupid minimum cap rule ::)
Well certainly doesn't help your case Nails
Quote from: Master Q on September 28, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
Beunos Aires give: Steve Johnson
New York give: Pick 8 and Shaun Atley
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Stevie J is a way way way way better than Swanny and have similar time left in the competition.
N12 + N21 + Delaney + Jetta is too much IMO, let alone the rest of the trade...
I don't think you realise just how bad Delaney and Jetta are. They're essentially worthless. I wouldn't even give a 5th round rookie pick for both of them in a trade.
They're only there because we need cap points.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:03:12 PM
Well certainly doesn't help your case Nails
It's a fair trade for both teams. Shouldn't be rejected. It helps both teams do what they're trying to do.
This is kinda why I'm against teams going too far one way in terms of team demographic. A number of coaches seem across XVs really seem to be determined to have a team of 'kids' or a team of 'oldies' because they won't be in their premiership window and all this nonsense and they want to make the starting team better in case injury or suspensions hit.
I really don't get what's so wrong with having a few players outside the majority age bracket of one's team or even having a balanced one (players of all ages).
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 28, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Just for comparison, in AXV Swan was traded for Ricky Henderson+ Rohan Bail
yeh but was sent to the trade committee because most felt it wasn't near enough man
That's funny, because somehow that was the best offer he received for Swanny.
I personally didn't neg the trade, even though I wanted to as it made Dublin stronger. But I think it's fair, Swanny is past it and Chappy isn't anything special. The two picks are decent, Grigg is average and Frost could be at a new club. At least Jetta and Delaney play, they could be starters for the Dildos.
Nails you are still way over the cap, and even over the cap if you traded Swan and Chapman alone for picks. Stop doing those kind of trades.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:09:27 PM
Nails you are still way over the cap, and even over the cap if you traded Swan and Chapman alone for picks. Stop doing those kind of trades.
We'd be 22,186
i.e. 186 points over the cap. You have to consider we also had other trades in talk at the time of the holz trade. Like the 5 or so we've put through this week.
If we just traded Chapman and Swan for picks alone we wouldn't have really been able to make ANY trades this week.
We HAD to do this kind of trade for a reason. Nobody is going to straight swap a great young kid for Swan so we have to combine Swan + other player for kid. Therefore losing cap points.
This is the EXACT kind of trade we NEED to do. Otherwise we'll end up with NOTHING.
Oh and if our Crouch trade got negged we would have been BELOW the minimum cap therefore AUTO-negging our Swap/Chapman trade if it were straight swap for picks.
Therefore, no we couldn't have just traded for picks at all ::)
The cap is designed to stop teams from trading out multiple stars for unknown and unproven players
It's designed to make teams lose their entire team to retirements so teams are forced to accept your merger idea.
We can't trade them for picks. Nobody is going to give us 2 premiums in exchange because of their age.
We essentially can't trade them in either direction so we're forced to hold them 1-2 years and end up with HALF a team.
Quote from: Nails on September 28, 2014, 06:24:35 PM
It's designed to make teams lose their entire team to retirements so teams are forced to accept your merger idea.
We can't trade them for picks. Nobody is going to give us 2 premiums in exchange because of their age.
We essentially can't trade them in either direction so we're forced to hold them 1-2 years and end up with HALF a team.
it isn't designed for that
you can trade them picks, you just did, just to the wrong team
and it was your strategy to go old, this is the consequence. In fact the cap is far more lenient this year in part because I took your feedback. So screw you if you think I have an agenda against you
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman
Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.
Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.
The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value
Completely agreed, huge +1.
Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 28, 2014, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman
Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.
Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.
The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value
Completely agreed, huge +1.
Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.
of course they will. Already had a few coaches quit for this exact reason
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 28, 2014, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman
Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.
Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.
The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value
Completely agreed, huge +1.
Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.
of course they will. Already had a few coaches quit for this exact reason
Well they shouldn't be in the competition then. It's one season ffs, this game is a dynasty
It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:40:40 PM
It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year
What?
How many seasons do Swan and Chappy have left?
Quote from: My Chumps on September 28, 2014, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:40:40 PM
It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year
What?
How many seasons do Swan and Chappy have left?
obviously not the same players, whichever temp fix it players they find to trade for picks and spuds
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: Nails on September 28, 2014, 06:24:35 PM
It's designed to make teams lose their entire team to retirements so teams are forced to accept your merger idea.
We can't trade them for picks. Nobody is going to give us 2 premiums in exchange because of their age.
We essentially can't trade them in either direction so we're forced to hold them 1-2 years and end up with HALF a team.
it isn't designed for that
you can trade them picks, you just did, just to the wrong team
and it was your strategy to go old, this is the consequence. In fact the cap is far more lenient this year in part because I took your feedback. So screw you if you think I have an agenda against you
It was my strategy to go old before the cap came in.
You can say "but you added like 2 old players post cap"
We were too far gone by then anyway, we were screwed the cap was brought in post-old.
And RE: Dublin - other teams can still beat them. Suns are still around. Pumas are still around.
We have players just as good as Swan/Chapman left.
Petrie went 96.6 in his last 13 games. We have Schulz, Matty Boyd, Dan Cross - all who could be as good as Swan/Stevie but the other teams that want to compete with Dublin aren't offering up anything.
If we trade Chapman/Swan for picks alone then we're stuck with Cross/Schulz/Hale/Boyd/Cross/Kornes and can't trade them as nobody will 1for1 them with anyone good that's young. And therefore any 2 for 1 puts us below cap.
Quote from: My Chumps on September 28, 2014, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman
Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.
Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.
The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value
Completely agreed, huge +1.
Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.
This 1,000 times over.
The entire premise of the game is make your team as good as it can possibly be. If a team is getting their trades rejected because "your team is too good at completing the entire object of the game" then the whole game is in turn ruined.
So sick of the grief!!! People having hissy fits because they don't get there way
life's too short
all trades pass, wtf do I care
Quote from: My Chumps on September 28, 2014, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:40:40 PM
It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year
What?
How many seasons do Swan and Chappy have left?
Reply my PM kthx. :P :-*
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:49:42 PM
So sick of the grief!!! People having hissy fits because they don't get there way
life's too short
all trades pass, wtf do I care
Better yet, two team comp. Dillos and Dublin. Free reign picking whichever they want every week. ;)
Winning
Just caught up with this, and it seems to be getting a little too intense
Sometimes I feel like we get too absorbed into this when making decisions about trades. Take a step back and breathe.
As far as I am concerned, the main purpose of this competition is for the people involved to have fun, and get a small experience of what it's like to manage a team
Os does a hell of a job running the comp, and as administrator he needs to make some tough calls from time to time but it doesn't mean that every call is always right
Can't we just strip things back a little? I mean, I think it's fair to say that every coach in this competition is more than capable, switched on and passionate about running their teams. Each coach has their own views on where their team is and the direction they want to take, and this is where we need to be a bit more lenient when it's time to review trades
As long as both teams involved in the trade are happy, and there is no obvious tanking then we really need to have faith in the coach of the teams involved and back their ideas on how they want to run their team
The Cap is here to protect teams and hopefully prevent the comp from being lob sided, but in the interim there is always going to be stronger teams and weaker teams. you cant avoid that. It happens in every comp in the world
I admit that I neg'd the Dublin Dildos trade, but not for the reasons Os gave, but that I felt like holz was giving up way too much. I think any trade that involved giving 5 players and 2 top picks for 2 players is always going to be unbalanced.
Like Nails said, most of those players are useless anyway, and Dublin wanted to help too which I admire, but I think a minor tweak is all that trade requires to be fair IMO
Anyway, just my 2c on all the hoo har that seems to be going on in regards to team trades
I have no problem with you Oss personally. If people get sick of the game and quit because Dublin/whoever else too powerful, perhaps they should have enhanced their own team. Dublin will only be great for a few years. Chapman/Swan could retire even next year. Then they're beginning to get screwed with their other players getting older too.
I thought the whole idea of this comp was long term. I feel worrying about what might happen in 1-2 seasons time is too short sighted. I plan to be around for the next 10-15. If Dublin go undefeated in one measly season I couldn't really care less.
It's up to Suns/Pumas to trade to match them. Suns/Pumas could have taken J and Chapman but weren't really interested
Also those talking about Chapman saying he's an 85 average meh player.
What? He averaged 96 this season and average 106.7 in his last 7 games for his new team. Chapman could be the #1 forward next season.
@ RD - I don't find it intense at all. I'm pretty level headed not really angry or pissed off in the slightest. I wasn't going to say anything at all. But then I noticed people talked about my trade and yours for like 3-4 pages. So I thought I might as well join in.
Nope
I do the right thing, get people to vote on just about every rule, give up my own team and put in a lot of effort to keep the comp running smoothly
All I get is people whinging about decisions VOTED on, people pestering me via pm and people not giving damn. People thinking only about there own team and not the greater comp
so do what the hell you want
I disagree with my co-coach in relation to the Dublin deal- even though I agree it should have been negged
I thought Dublin was the clear winner in the deal, getting 2 very good scoring players for 2 decent picks and a bunch of spuds.
2 Players who in any other team would be in the best XV but likely to be solid cover at Dublin makes them incredibly strong without strengthening the Dildos side- yes they get 2 picks but a bunch of low scoring players which does not help them in the long-term at all.
If Dublin replaced 2/3 low scoring players to have another higher scoring player in the deal who could be in the best XV at Dildos then I would vote to pass the deal.
Note: Oss does an unbelievable job with the XV's and this comp wouldn't be running without him.
Quote from: Nails on September 28, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
Dublin will only be great for a few years.
Not if I know Holz. :P
Quote from: ossie85 on September 28, 2014, 06:57:39 PM
People thinking only about there own team and not the greater comp
Been saying this for God knows how long but it seems I'm apparently wrong.
Guys how about you just quit it. Oz does a tremendous job, give him a break as he is the one that puts his time into this comp, if he makes a decision then just stick by it and stop whinging.
If a trade gets rejected, re-negotiate it. Or find a new deal. Whinging is not the way to go about it, so just give it a rest already
I would like to apologies for all the drama today, my intentions for this deal was to help out Nails as they were trying to offload players. Its unfortunate that this has turned into a big thing as its a great comp and Ossie does an amazing job.
I do want what's best for the comp and if people want to be more competitive and the top teams less dominant im offering up my some of my older premiums that are still in prime and have plenty of years left.
I believe in picks and Im not just giving them away for the sake of it, first round picks even as late as 21 have value to me and if you dont think the draft is very good im more than happy to take the picks.
the following players are for sale:
Nick Dal Santo: I believe he will get DPP, im soo confident i traded away murphy. He is 30 turning 31 however he has plenty of years left shown by his amazing finals performances. Should be a 105 backman and will skyrokcet anyones defense.
Jobe Watson: Has been unlucky with Injury but at his best he is a captain in alomst anyteam. Very capable of going 115-120 and at worst you would think 110. For teams struggling for big scorers here is your chance to get a captain to compete with the big clubs. Like NDS 29 turning 30 and his game doesnt rely on his athletecism, as absolute star player and i expect many more years from him.
Daniel Wells: Again 29 turning 30, has been injured this year but before that 3 seasons of 96+ scoring. Not the star that Watson is but vitally important to North and will be up for our premiership push. Very very handy for any team wanting some point injection.
David Mundy: Turned 29 not long ago and has been one of the most solid players in the comp. Unsubbed went 105 and i expect pretty much the same thing. Keeps pumping 90 -110 basically every single week a very solid option that has years left.
If teams down the bottom are serious about wanting to compete these premiums have years left of good scoring and I would happily keep them. If people want to compete and weaken Dublin at the same time here is your opportunity.
Given the talk about the value of Swan and Chappy I do expect decent offers though as these players are vitally important to my team.
im around all the time to send me a PM, I would prefer to deal with the weaker teams as this is their opportunity to compete if they want to take it.
Just want to apologize Oss I certainly wasn't having a go at you. You do an amazing job and I mean it when I say nobody else could do what you do. And I think at times we all take for granted what you do.
Quote from: Holzman on September 28, 2014, 07:19:49 PM
im around all the time to send me a PM, I would prefer to deal with the weaker teams as this is their opportunity to compete if they want to take it.
Don't really wanna reignite discussions but the weaker teams don't necessarily want to compete, I just think they don't want to languish.
I guess it kind of goes back to what I was saying about them not really wanting older guys.
Like, best guess is somebody like Beijing would rather have somebody like Sloane from Sao Paulo than Watson from Dublin. :-X
Quote from: Nige on September 28, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: Holzman on September 28, 2014, 07:19:49 PM
im around all the time to send me a PM, I would prefer to deal with the weaker teams as this is their opportunity to compete if they want to take it.
Don't really wanna reignite discussions but the weaker teams don't necessarily want to compete, I just think they don't want to languish.
I guess it kind of goes back to what I was saying about them not really wanting older guys.
Like, best guess is somebody like Beijing would rather have somebody like Sloane from Sao Paulo than Watson from Dublin. :-X
im giving teams the option to chose to compete as it sounds like they want to. Guys like Watson have 3-4 years left its not like im offering up Chappy Murphy etc..
these are the type of players that young competing teams need. If they plan on just unproven young players they will never get anywhere. Even with a young team if you dont think Watson is helpfull your basically saying your going to be useless for 4 years.
the top teams have all come in for offers soo far but waiting on clubs wanting to compete to put in offers. To bridge the gab this is what they need to do, If not will keep relying on handouts and speculative picks.
Quote from: Ricochet on September 28, 2014, 08:21:41 PM
Just want to apologize Oss I certainly wasn't having a go at you. You do an amazing job and I mean it when I say nobody else could do what you do. And I think at times we all take for granted what you do.
Yeah, me too. Especially that final sentence.
Genuinely sorry Oss! Forget all the work you do :-[
Trying to move away from all of this. All these guys are on the table if you wanna shoot me a PM.
Looking for players in all positions aged from 21-27.
Dane Swan
Paul Chapman
Drew Petrie
Matthew Boyd
Chris Newman
Kane Cornes
PM Nails and myself. :)
thanks for the support guys!
Sorry for my own hissy fit, I can be a dick sometimes lol
Quote from: ossie85 on September 29, 2014, 10:05:08 AM
thanks for the support guys!
Sorry for my own hissy fit, I can be a dick sometimes lol
your a legend and we love your work ;)
I still love you Ossie ;)
Imagine how boring WXVs would be if everybody got along and never complained. You'd be out of a job :P
#WXVlockout
Nic Nat is on the table, hit me up if you're interested with offers.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 29, 2014, 07:55:13 PM
Nic Nat is on the table, hit me up if you're interested with offers.
Would help if you posted what you are looking for in return?
We are in need of a Decent Defender and a topline Forward/Midfielder.
Votes only trickling in so far, with only 7 of 16 coaches voted so far (assumption of Honey Badger and pothead not voting).
Just the four coaches to come now, the very busy Hellopplz, Holzman, Nails and JBs-Hawks
Quote from: ossie85 on October 01, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
Just the four coaches to come now, the very busy Hellopplz, Holzman, Nails and JBs-Hawks
Shall get to them tonight. At uni atm cracking through 4-6 tests each worth 2.5% of my unit mark for a subject (each) :P. My lunch break after first 2 tests haha.
Quote from: ossie85 on October 01, 2014, 12:55:02 PM
Just the three coaches to come now, the very busy Hellopplz, Holzman, Nails and JBs-Hawks
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
shower enough to make finals? ??? :P
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Well give me Pendles and I'll trade with you :P
shower enough for Oz to back Cairo to make the 4 over Toronto, despite Cairo missing finals :P
Quote from: JROO8 on October 03, 2014, 12:42:12 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Well give me Pendles and I'll trade with you :P
Now I understand why I gave up trading.. :P
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:43:39 PM
shower enough for Oz to back Cairo to make the 4 over Toronto, despite Cairo missing finals :P
It's because we were bloody unlucky to miss tbh. :P
Quote from: Nige on October 03, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:43:39 PM
shower enough for Oz to back Cairo to make the 4 over Toronto, despite Cairo missing finals :P
It's because we were bloody unlucky to miss tbh. :P
Now you've got Ben Brown you should be sweet
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 03, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:43:39 PM
shower enough for Oz to back Cairo to make the 4 over Toronto, despite Cairo missing finals :P
It's because we were bloody unlucky to miss tbh. :P
Now you've got Ben Brown you should be sweet
Exactly. 8)
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Maybe because of the trading halt?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 03, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Maybe because of the trading halt?
Yeah I realise that, but we're still allowed to negotiate aren't we?
Having only made one trade this off season I'm looking to at least get a little active.
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
Having only made one trade this off season
At least it was a good one. ;)
Looking to trade Conca or Langford for a defender, preferably not depth defenders.
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 03, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Maybe because of the trading halt?
Yeah I realise that, but we're still allowed to negotiate aren't we?
Having only made one trade this off season I'm looking to at least get a little active.
what you looking for RB?
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 03, 2014, 02:17:05 PM
Looking to trade Conca or Langford for a defender, preferably not depth defenders.
Gee wizz! Will has hardly finished unpacking his bags! :P
Quote from: elephants on October 03, 2014, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 03, 2014, 02:17:05 PM
Looking to trade Conca or Langford for a defender, preferably not depth defenders.
Gee wizz! Will has hardly finished unpacking his bags! :P
Tis a harsh industry :P
Can package together any of the following guys in exchange for a player who will start for us. So like a 75+ defender, 85+ mid, 75+ forward. Picks could be added if that gets the deal done.
Blair, Longer, Mohr, McCarthy, Cunningham, C. Beams, L.Thomas, Lyons
Let me know if you're interested in any of the above :)
Quote from: Jayman on October 03, 2014, 06:01:20 PM
Can package together any of the following guys in exchange for a player who will start for us. So like a 75+ defender, 85+ mid, 75+ forward. Picks could be added if that gets the deal done.
Blair, Longer, Mohr, McCarthy, Cunningham, C. Beams, L.Thomas, Lyons
Let me know if you're interested in any of the above :)
send us longer!!
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 03, 2014, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: Jayman on October 03, 2014, 06:01:20 PM
Can package together any of the following guys in exchange for a player who will start for us. So like a 75+ defender, 85+ mid, 75+ forward. Picks could be added if that gets the deal done.
Blair, Longer, Mohr, McCarthy, Cunningham, C. Beams, L.Thomas, Lyons
Let me know if you're interested in any of the above :)
send us longer!!
For Westhoff? Sure ;)
Quote from: Jayman on October 03, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 03, 2014, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: Jayman on October 03, 2014, 06:01:20 PM
Can package together any of the following guys in exchange for a player who will start for us. So like a 75+ defender, 85+ mid, 75+ forward. Picks could be added if that gets the deal done.
Blair, Longer, Mohr, McCarthy, Cunningham, C. Beams, L.Thomas, Lyons
Let me know if you're interested in any of the above :)
send us longer!!
For Westhoff? Sure ;)
settle down bit over the top:P
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 03, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 03, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Maybe because of the trading halt?
Yeah I realise that, but we're still allowed to negotiate aren't we?
Having only made one trade this off season I'm looking to at least get a little active.
what you looking for RB?
Gun, can be older mid to take up my last bench spot, 90+ ave mid.
Young defenders, don't neccesarily have to be starters. Just need someone to replace my over 30's backline :P
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 03, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 03, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Maybe because of the trading halt?
Yeah I realise that, but we're still allowed to negotiate aren't we?
Having only made one trade this off season I'm looking to at least get a little active.
what you looking for RB?
Gun, can be older mid to take up my last bench spot, 90+ ave mid.
Young defenders, don't neccesarily have to be starters. Just need someone to replace my over 30's backline :P
We have something similar, chuck me a PM.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 03, 2014, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 03, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 03, 2014, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 03, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
To the tune of Sam Smith's "Stay With Me"
Why won't you trade with me
You've got all I need
My side is shower it's clear to see
So someone trade with me
Maybe because of the trading halt?
Yeah I realise that, but we're still allowed to negotiate aren't we?
Having only made one trade this off season I'm looking to at least get a little active.
what you looking for RB?
Gun, can be older mid to take up my last bench spot, 90+ ave mid.
Young defenders, don't neccesarily have to be starters. Just need someone to replace my over 30's backline :P
We have something similar, chuck me a PM.
Done
Also having a bit of a similar fire sale, have too much depth. Most, if not all of these guys are regular AFL players that can score alright. Some have a bit of potential so all have different values. Probably going to trade max 2 from each line. Enquire within :)
Def: Matt Shaw, Stevie Morris, Matt Maguire, Michael Jamison
Mid: Tom Bell, Brock McLean, Clint Jones
Fwd: Aaron Hall, Jesse White
Just hp and nails to vote
Apologies for the hold up fellas, busy week as pretty much had to help do stuff for my party tomorrow, and I was pretty much the labourer doing all the heavy lifting and putting stuff up, etc. That and so much unnecessary shopping by family ::).
Trade 52
NDT Give: Nat 10 + Nat 24
SaoPaulo Give: Chris Masten + Liam Sumner + Blaine Johnson + Nat 38
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Feel that pick 38 is too much
Admin comments: Happy enough, the last Sao Paulo trade!
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 53
NDT Give: Jake Melksham + N38
Dildos Give: Robert Warnock + N72
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: This one is questionable because it leaves the Armadillos with a ruck division of David Hale (old), Jarrad Redden (competing against Lobbe and likely Ryder), Sam Michael (who?) and Jack Osborn.
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 54
Mexico City Suns give: Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich
Buenos Aires Dildos give: Brent Harvey + James Kelly + Pick 18
Votes against: 4
Coach comments: Some mixed messages from the coaches, some against the Suns, some against the Armadillos.
Admin comments: Personally not a fan of this trade on first look. But the Suns are going for another tilt (next season is 3 years since first flag), and the Armadillos changing youth profile. Harvey and Kelly have 1 year left each probably. Hill and Acres big future stars. Will say yes.
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 55
Mexico City Suns give: Pick 44
New York give: Craig Moller + Pick 62
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believes Moller has huge potential
Admin comments: Could be a bit of a bargain here
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 56
PNL Give: Pick 69 + 80
Tokyo Give: Tom Campbell
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final verdict: PASSED.
Trade 57
Dublin Trade: Michael Walters + N39
New York Trade: Harley Bennell
Votes against: 4
Coach comments: Think pick 39 is not enough to make up the difference.
Admin comments: Ok, I really don't understand New York's desperation to trade out Harley Bennell - who in my opinion will be a top 6 forward next year. The kid is a jet, in a team about to explode, averaging 97 over the past 3 years with some injury interruptions (still played 52 games, 20 centuries, with scores of 141, 193, 167 and 144). Why wouldn't you trade him the year after if you're afraid of his long term forward status?
Don't get me wrong, Michael Walters has potential also, but this guy has only played more than 8 home&away games ONCE in 6 years, and has played 39 games at the very respectable average of 84. Only 11 of those 39 games have been centuries, and a high score of only 129. And btw Walters is OLDER than Harley. And who gives a damn about pick 39?
I would have thought, that given New York have shown an interest in getting rid of Harley already, that he would have been FLOODED with offers from other clubs. But apparently that's not the case.
I'm putting it down to my man-crush on Harley. But I can't be the only way to feel this way. I really want to find away to approve it, and I was going to, but I've talked myself out of it. Think more than pick 39 needs to be given.
Final verdict: REJECTED
Trade 58
Dillos give: N58 + N72
Seoul give: Liam Anthony + N64
Votes against: 4
Coach comments: Anthony's delisting unbalances the trade
Admin comments: I agree with coaches, but Buenos Aires hoping he'll get picked up again. Would have passed, except BUENOS AIRES ALREADY TRADED PICK 72 IN TRADE 53!!!!
Final verdict: REJECTED
Trade 59
Beijing give: Matt Rosa
New York give: Aaron Black + Pick #39 ID
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Feel Rosa/Black are evenish, 39 too much
Admin comments: Probably would've passed... just.... But unfortunately Pick 39 not with New York
Final verdict: REJECTED
Trade 60
Dublin Trades: Tom Rockliff + Robert Murphy + N57
Dublin Receives: Steele Sidebottom + Shannon Hurn + Daniel Wells + Josh Saunders + N84
Mexico Trades: Steele Sidebottom + Shannon Hurn
Mexico Receives: Tom Rockliff
Berlin Trades: Daniel Wells + Josh Saunders + N84
Berlin Receives: Robert Murphy + N57
Votes against: 7
Coach comments: General consensus is that Dublin are gaining far too much
Admin comments: Feel this trade has a lot of problems, one being that it is merged for no reason. Feel also benefits Dublin too much
Final verdict: REJECTED
Trade 61
Pacific give: Luke Brown
Beijing give: NAT Draft Pick #59
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believes Luke Brown worth more
Admin comments: Could be another bargain
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 62
Mexico City give: Brad Ebert, Tim Membrey + Picks 19, 26
Mexico City receive: Bryce Gibbs, Sam Gilbert, Liam McBean
Seoul give: Bryce Gibbs, Liam McBean
Seoul receive: Brad Ebert + Picks 19, 22
Buenos Aires give: Sam Gilbert + Pick 22
Buenos Aires receive: Tim Membrey + Pick 26
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Feel Seoul are losing too much
Admin comments: Not sure why Gibbs needs to go, can't quite see the logic... but a couple of good picks thrown in I suppose
Final verdict: PASSED
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY, not a desperation to trade out Bennell
Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.
Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.
Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him ::)
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.
Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.
Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.
Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him ::)
think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.
LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.
Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.
Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.
Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him ::)
think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.
LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)
haha fair enough. But it is relative. a 90+ averaging forward is more valuable than a 100 averaging midfielder.
Will Bennell ever play a full season? How many games has he missed over the seasons due to soft tissue injury?
I just don't rate him that highly (I think that point has been made).
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.
Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.
Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.
Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him ::)
think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.
LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)
haha fair enough. But it is relative. a 90+ averaging forward is more valuable than a 100 averaging midfielder.
Will Bennell ever play a full season? How many games has he missed over the seasons due to soft tissue injury?
I just don't rate him that highly (I think that point has been made).
yeah fair enough
i know alot rate him (including me i'd love to have him but don't think we have the assets to deal for him)
but in saying that if you don't or you feel for team structure he needs to be moved to get in something better i understand
just need to keep looking or working (if you still feel like you can be bothered after all the rejections of it)
I rate both guys and believe they're fairly equal tbh.
If I had to pick one to have on my team? Probably Harley Bennell.
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:46:38 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.
Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.
Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.
Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him ::)
think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.
LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)
haha fair enough. But it is relative. a 90+ averaging forward is more valuable than a 100 averaging midfielder.
Will Bennell ever play a full season? How many games has he missed over the seasons due to soft tissue injury?
I just don't rate him that highly (I think that point has been made).
yeah fair enough
i know alot rate him (including me i'd love to have him but don't think we have the assets to deal for him)
but in saying that if you don't or you feel for team structure he needs to be moved to get in something better i understand
just need to keep looking or working (if you still feel like you can be bothered after all the rejections of it)
Yeah thats right Daz. We will still be working hard. The main reason for this trade is structure- As I said above I don't think Bennell will get DPP.
So Bennell is on the table for everyone.
We absolutely need a premium scoring forward/s to move on Bennell. They would need to average above 88.6 (Walters average after his return from injury) and would require something more than pick the Dublin offered.
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him
It's a fair point you raise mate but we could wait but we are looking at long-term balance as well and our forwards long-term are weak.
Quote from: ossie85 on October 05, 2014, 10:23:30 AM
Trade 59
Beijing give: Matt Rosa
New York give: Aaron Black + Pick #39 ID
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Feel Rosa/Black are evenish, 39 too much
Admin comments: Probably would've passed... just.... But unfortunately Pick 39 not with New York
Final verdict: REJECTED
Os, I am assuming you have simply rejected this because we don't have 39 now?
Only 2 coaches neg'd it, so clearly the majority agree with us in that Rosa and Black are not evenish - Rosa is better, with a better SC average, which is why we added the pick
We have Pick 41, so I will just resub the trade using 41 instead of 39
In terms of the Walters/Bennell deal, it's disappointing to see it get knocked back. I think its a more than fair deal too, echoing AK's previous comments, especially how a 90 avg forward is prob more important than a 100 avg mid
I hope Bennell does get DPP, otherwise as AK said you have to put up a 90 avg forward for him, or he stays at New York
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him
My concern with this is that we may not find out until after the trade period has completed
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 05, 2014, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him
My concern with this is that we may not find out until after the trade period has completed
there is a 2nd period after new positions are named
but can only do a trade for reasons of a change
(i.e someone loses fwd status so can trade for one etc or bennell gains fwd status but if he gains it you cannot trade him for a fwd since you gained unless another player lost fwd status)
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 05, 2014, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him
My concern with this is that we may not find out until after the trade period has completed
there is a 2nd period after new positions are named
but can only do a trade for reasons of a change
(i.e someone loses fwd status so can trade for one etc or bennell gains fwd status but if he gains it you cannot trade him for a fwd since you gained unless another player lost fwd status)
Which is why we probably would be looking to move Bennell on now for forward/s for team balance.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him
He will get dpp next year I'm pretty confident. He won't keep it past a year though and that's why it is a fair trade. Walters has shown he is a 90 average forward and when bennell loses dpp he needs to turn into a 105-110 mid at least for it to be fair. I just don't understandhow a 30 year old 88 back and a 27 79 average forward buys the better version of bennell (trealor). Yet a 90 average forward can't get bennell.
I wouldn't think to trade Walters for jjk + duffield and I'm going for a flag. Would give bennel up in a second for trealor.
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him
He will get dpp next year I'm pretty confident. He won't keep it past a year though and that's why it is a fair trade. Walters has shown he is a 90 average forward and when bennell loses dpp he needs to turn into a 105-110 mid at least for it to be fair. I just don't understandhow a 30 year old 88 back and a 27 79 average forward buys the better version of bennell (trealor). Yet a 90 average forward can't get bennell.
I wouldn't think to trade Walters for jjk + duffield and I'm going for a flag. Would give bennel up in a second for trealor.
mate it is frustrating like how a 30 year old defender if worth so much as well
dunno i love trade period but really pisses me off as well as dunno if it is just PNL have nothing good or what but besides everyone wanting wingard we rarely seem to get these awesome offers everyone else gets ::)
I can't believe the Rocky trade failed.
Oh well, I'm not upset I didn't gain much from it, at all.
Quote from: JROO8 on October 05, 2014, 11:19:20 AM
I can't believe the Rocky trade failed.
Oh well, I'm not upset I didn't gain much from it, at all.
Just the most valuable player in the competition ;)
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
He will get dpp next year I'm pretty confident. He won't keep it past a year though and that's why it is a fair trade. Walters has shown he is a 90 average forward and when bennell loses dpp he needs to turn into a 105-110 mid at least for it to be fair. I just don't understandhow a 30 year old 88 back and a 27 79 average forward buys the better version of bennell (trealor). Yet a 90 average forward can't get bennell.
I wouldn't think to trade Walters for jjk + duffield and I'm going for a flag. Would give bennel up in a second for trealor.
I've been through this conversation before, and I feel like its a mute one now
We are well and truly aware that giving up Treloar was huge, and he will be light years ahead of what we got, BUT we lacked defenders and forwards, and having to play players OOP, or rookie spuds, was costing us even more than what we lose by giving up Treloar, so as crazy as it appears on the surface, that trade was extremely beneficial for our teams balance and overall scoring
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 05, 2014, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
He will get dpp next year I'm pretty confident. He won't keep it past a year though and that's why it is a fair trade. Walters has shown he is a 90 average forward and when bennell loses dpp he needs to turn into a 105-110 mid at least for it to be fair. I just don't understandhow a 30 year old 88 back and a 27 79 average forward buys the better version of bennell (trealor). Yet a 90 average forward can't get bennell.
I wouldn't think to trade Walters for jjk + duffield and I'm going for a flag. Would give bennel up in a second for trealor.
I've been through this conversation before, and I feel like its a mute one now
We are well and truly aware that giving up Treloar was huge, and he will be light years ahead of what we got, BUT we lacked defenders and forwards, and having to play players OOP, or rookie spuds, was costing us even more than what we lose by giving up Treloar, so as crazy as it appears on the surface, that trade was extremely beneficial for our teams balance and overall scoring
Sorry to bring it up but I just don't get how that passes and ours fails.
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2014, 11:24:45 AM
Sorry to bring it up but I just don't get how that passes and ours fails.
No probs, and I agree with you. Don't see how it failed personally myself.
Oh well, perhaps we can try and rejig it?
ONE OF Bennell or Will Hoskin Elliott are on the table, but only for a starting forward
Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on October 05, 2014, 11:19:20 AM
I can't believe the Rocky trade failed.
Oh well, I'm not upset I didn't gain much from it, at all.
Just the most valuable player in the competition ;)
Yeah but you did get a bit back ;)
When does trading open up again? Are we allowed to post deals in the other thread, as yet?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 05, 2014, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on October 05, 2014, 10:23:30 AM
Trade 59
Beijing give: Matt Rosa
New York give: Aaron Black + Pick #39 ID
Votes against: 2
Coach comments: Feel Rosa/Black are evenish, 39 too much
Admin comments: Probably would've passed... just.... But unfortunately Pick 39 not with New York
Final verdict: REJECTED
Os, I am assuming you have simply rejected this because we don't have 39 now?
Only 2 coaches neg'd it, so clearly the majority agree with us in that Rosa and Black are not evenish - Rosa is better, with a better SC average, which is why we added the pick
We have Pick 41, so I will just resub the trade using 41 instead of 39
In terms of the Walters/Bennell deal, it's disappointing to see it get knocked back. I think its a more than fair deal too, echoing AK's previous comments, especially how a 90 avg forward is prob more important than a 100 avg mid
I hope Bennell does get DPP, otherwise as AK said you have to put up a 90 avg forward for him, or he stays at New York
Yeah, only rejected because Pick 39
Ossie just so you can see our logic behind the Gibbs trade
Port are going to be a very strong side for next few years and we think Carlton will go backwards before they go forwards Gibbs had a good year this year who knows if he will back it up and he will probably get more attention
as you assumed we felt we were getting a bonus pick for not really losing much from our best xv and with Ceglar + Big Boy we don't really need McBeany
Quote from: JROO8 on October 05, 2014, 11:19:20 AM
I can't believe the Rocky trade failed.
Oh well, I'm not upset I didn't gain much from it, at all.
Good news at least is that you still have the chance to offload Sidey to me :3
Sorry to all messaging me am currently stranded in Korea as got robbed so will be a while before I can reply.
Quote from: Boomz on October 05, 2014, 07:24:17 PM
Sorry to all messaging me am currently stranded in Korea as got robbed so will be a while before I can reply.
South...? :-X
Quote from: Boomz on October 05, 2014, 07:24:17 PM
Sorry to all messaging me am currently stranded in Korea as got robbed so will be a while before I can reply.
Reckon JB should pay you back. Adds spice to the Tokyo-Seoul rivalry
Seriously, hope all is well
Just posting our current side. Still very keen to trade and see offers.
Anyone you like, hit me or Ele up
Mullett, Webster, Savage, CPearce
(BSinclair, DBuckley, Hartigan, Ellis-Yolmen, Stratton, DTalia, Cheney, SEdwards, CGiles, ZDawson, JKelly)
Greene, Bastinac, Gaff, Trengove
Masten, Wellingham
(Horlin-Smith , NRobertson, ZWilliams, Michie, Dunell, Sheridan, Bail, RKnight, Helbig, Ross, Kerridge, Sumner)
Nicholls
(Warnock, Hampson, Nankervis, Renouf)
Podsiadly, Murdoch, Griffiths, Johnston
(Apeness, Dell'Olio, McCarthy, BJohnson)
1212
I don't mind that midfield, heaps of potential. Rucks pretty solid too!
Whatever happened to that Podsiadly auction? :P
couldn't let him go back then because we were too close to the minimum cap :(
I think we're a bit better for points now tho
Quote from: JROO8 on October 05, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
When does trading open up again? Are we allowed to post deals in the other thread, as yet?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2014, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on October 05, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
When does trading open up again? Are we allowed to post deals in the other thread, as yet?
Ossise told me in a pm
Quote from: ossie85 on October 05, 2014, 04:27:46 PM
as soon as we get the new teams in order, hopefully in a week
Ah ok sweet cheers man
Which means the sooner you vote, the sooner trading can start again
Quote from: Holz on September 28, 2014, 07:19:49 PM
I would like to apologies for all the drama today, my intentions for this deal was to help out Nails as they were trying to offload players. Its unfortunate that this has turned into a big thing as its a great comp and Ossie does an amazing job.
I do want what's best for the comp and if people want to be more competitive and the top teams less dominant im offering up my some of my older premiums that are still in prime and have plenty of years left.
I believe in picks and Im not just giving them away for the sake of it, first round picks even as late as 21 have value to me and if you dont think the draft is very good im more than happy to take the picks.
the following players are for sale:
Nick Dal Santo: I believe he will get DPP, im soo confident i traded away murphy. He is 30 turning 31 however he has plenty of years left shown by his amazing finals performances. Should be a 105 backman and will skyrokcet anyones defense.
Jobe Watson: Has been unlucky with Injury but at his best he is a captain in alomst anyteam. Very capable of going 115-120 and at worst you would think 110. For teams struggling for big scorers here is your chance to get a captain to compete with the big clubs. Like NDS 29 turning 30 and his game doesnt rely on his athletecism, as absolute star player and i expect many more years from him.
Daniel Wells: Again 29 turning 30, has been injured this year but before that 3 seasons of 96+ scoring. Not the star that Watson is but vitally important to North and will be up for our premiership push. Very very handy for any team wanting some point injection.
David Mundy: Turned 29 not long ago and has been one of the most solid players in the comp. Unsubbed went 105 and i expect pretty much the same thing. Keeps pumping 90 -110 basically every single week a very solid option that has years left.
If teams down the bottom are serious about wanting to compete these premiums have years left of good scoring and I would happily keep them. If people want to compete and weaken Dublin at the same time here is your opportunity.
Given the talk about the value of Swan and Chappy I do expect decent offers though as these players are vitally important to my team.
im around all the time to send me a PM, I would prefer to deal with the weaker teams as this is their opportunity to compete if they want to take it.
have only had one offer from a team outside the 8, I thought people wanted to be able to compete with the top clubs.
obviously not
You know why we did not make an offer for those players Holz.
They do not meet our needs unfortunately (at this stage anyway)
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 06, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
You know why we did not make an offer for those players Holz.
They do not meet our needs unfortunately (at this stage anyway)
this is a general thing not aimed at you guys as you actually want to compete. If teams down the bottom dont want players with 3-4 years left like mundy than they are no shot at competing. If i was down the bottom and wanted to really compete I would throw a top 12 offer in for mundy.
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
*Not to self. Capitalise on teams who are overly keen on players from the clubs they support.
We'll take Clark Purps :P
Sell all your soul-less unwanted players here >:D
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 06, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
*Not to self. Capitalise on teams who are overly keen on players from the clubs they support.
We'll take Clark Purps :P
Would only swap with a fellow WXV-coach with a knife in their back :P >:(
Quote from: Toga on October 06, 2014, 08:17:49 PM
Sell all your soul-less unwanted players here >:D
Maybe that's why you guys are down the bottom, getting soul-less players :P.
No that was our previous coach that did that to us I think :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 06, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
*Not to self. Capitalise on teams who are overly keen on players from the clubs they support.
We'll take Clark Purps :P
I think a lot of teams have already capitalised on that :-X
Jordan Lewis for Kieran Harper trade springs to mind
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 06, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
*Not to self. Capitalise on teams who are overly keen on players from the clubs they support.
We'll take Clark Purps :P
I think a lot of teams have already capitalised on that :-X
Jordan Lewis for Kieran Harper trade springs to mind
Thanks for that RB.
Both are now at Mexico, anyway >:D
Quote from: JROO8 on October 06, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 06, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
*Not to self. Capitalise on teams who are overly keen on players from the clubs they support.
We'll take Clark Purps :P
I think a lot of teams have already capitalised on that :-X
Jordan Lewis for Kieran Harper trade springs to mind
Thanks for that RB.
Both are now at Mexico, anyway >:D
'
I wouldn't be that happy about having Harper :P
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 09:02:56 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on October 06, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 06, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
*Not to self. Capitalise on teams who are overly keen on players from the clubs they support.
We'll take Clark Purps :P
I think a lot of teams have already capitalised on that :-X
Jordan Lewis for Kieran Harper trade springs to mind
Thanks for that RB.
Both are now at Mexico, anyway >:D
'
I wouldn't be that happy about having Harper :P
I'm happy I have Lewis though ;)
Harper will be good once Boomer flowers off :P but that could be awhile.
Quote from: JROO8 on October 06, 2014, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 09:02:56 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on October 06, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 06, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: roo boys! on October 06, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
Levi Greenwood may be placed on the trade table tomorrow pending his career decision.
If he stays at North, he stays at Toronto. If he leaves the club that has shown faith in him for a pretty showerty first 5 years of his career, then I'm trading him.
I'll swap you Mitch Clark... >:(
*Not to self. Capitalise on teams who are overly keen on players from the clubs they support.
We'll take Clark Purps :P
I think a lot of teams have already capitalised on that :-X
Jordan Lewis for Kieran Harper trade springs to mind
Thanks for that RB.
Both are now at Mexico, anyway >:D
'
I wouldn't be that happy about having Harper :P
I'm happy I have Lewis though ;)
Harper will be good once Boomer flowers off :P but that could be awhile.
Harper might be six feet under by the time Boomer moves on. :o
Quote from: Master Q on October 05, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: Boomz on October 05, 2014, 07:24:17 PM
Sorry to all messaging me am currently stranded in Korea as got robbed so will be a while before I can reply.
South...? :-X
Yes Q :P
Quote from: ossie85 on October 05, 2014, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Boomz on October 05, 2014, 07:24:17 PM
Sorry to all messaging me am currently stranded in Korea as got robbed so will be a while before I can reply.
Reckon JB should pay you back. Adds spice to the Tokyo-Seoul rivalry
Seriously, hope all is well
Alright now as managed to get my hands on some cash and my netbook has decided to work again (albeit in showerty safe mode) so I'm around if anyone has trade queries for when it gets back underway. Still looking for decent defenders.
Ok so does trading re-open now or after this draft?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 07, 2014, 12:28:45 PM
Ok so does trading re-open now or after this draft?
After the draft
Question - Does anyone have a premium defender on the trade table?
Seems like a lot of clubs are chasing one so there must be some clubs with a surplus.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 07, 2014, 01:06:15 PM
Question - Does anyone have a premium defender on the trade table?
Seems like a lot of clubs are chasing one so there must be some clubs with a surplus.
We have lots of
premium defenders..
Mullett, Webster, Savage, CPearce
(BSinclair, DBuckley, ZWilliams, Hartigan, Ellis-Yolmen, Stratton, DTalia, Cheney, SEdwards, CGiles, ZDawson, JKelly)
Not so in terms of Premos but some potential there
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 07, 2014, 01:06:15 PM
Question - Does anyone have a premium defender on the trade table?
Seems like a lot of clubs are chasing one so there must be some clubs with a surplus.
Quote from: Nige on October 07, 2014, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 07, 2014, 01:06:15 PM
Question - Does anyone have a premium defender on the trade table?
Seems like a lot of clubs are chasing one so there must be some clubs with a surplus.
premium defenders in SC just dont exist.
Birchall Rance Goldy Selwood are the 4 players that wont leave my team.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 07, 2014, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 07, 2014, 01:06:15 PM
Question - Does anyone have a premium defender on the trade table?
Seems like a lot of clubs are chasing one so there must be some clubs with a surplus.
We have lots of premium defenders..
Mullett, Webster, Savage, CPearce
(BSinclair, DBuckley, ZWilliams, Hartigan, Ellis-Yolmen, Stratton, DTalia, Cheney, SEdwards, CGiles, ZDawson, JKelly)
Not so in terms of Premos but some potential there
Yes but we don't want to give you Darling for one of these guys :P
Savage is of interest though.
We have Heath Grundy and Firrito that we could possibly trade
Grundy is 28, so still has many years of playing and is good for 75-80 avg. Not a premo, but reliable D4 I think especially if your lacking
Anyone have any 80+ forwards up for trade?
Varcoe averaged 80+... Once upon a time :P
Quote from: Toga on October 07, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
Varcoe averaged 80+... Once upon a time :P
Jpod averaged 90+ ;)
Quote from: elephants on October 07, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: Toga on October 07, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
Varcoe averaged 80+... Once upon a time :P
Jpod averaged 90+ ;)
Yep, look it up. James Podsiadly averaged 90+. No lies
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 07, 2014, 01:06:15 PM
Question - Does anyone have a premium defender on the trade table?
Seems like a lot of clubs are chasing one so there must be some clubs with a surplus.
Nathan Grima potentially on the trade table...I know I probably rate him higher than most but the man can Supercoach.
Quote from: Jayman on October 07, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Anyone have any 80+ forwards up for trade?
JRoo interest? ;)
Also Levi Greenwood is officially on the trade table now..unfortunately I'm probably looking for a midfielder in return at this stage, its more just for the sake of trading him so I can hopefully watch his performances drop off again next year. I'm not too sure they will though, he was bloody good for us this year :'(
If anyone needs defenders, all of these guys could be moved on
Luke Hodge
James Kelly
Mark Baguley
Brian Lake
Sam Gilbert
Also, older mids BJ Goddard and Thompson could be traded for someone younger, who's a decent scorer.
Does anyone have young fringe/depth defenders they don't want or are willing to trade for the right price?
If so, PM me a list, cheers!
Quote from: Nige on October 07, 2014, 05:40:18 PM
Does anyone have young fringe/depth defenders they don't want or are willing to trade for the right price?
If so, PM me a list, cheers!
Hey ;)
If anyone wants a player available in the Rio/Christchurch draft, let me know who and what you'd give me for them if I was to draft them.
Quote from: elephants on October 07, 2014, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 07, 2014, 05:40:18 PM
Does anyone have young fringe/depth defenders they don't want or are willing to trade for the right price?
If so, PM me a list, cheers!
Hey ;)
Your better half has PM'd me and we've had a fruitful chat. ;)
Just thought I should put it out there that we may (key word may) entertain the idea of trading Darling to improve our team.
What I mean by this is we would look at trading Darling to receive a proper premium defender or forward in return. We could potentially add something to our side to get the deal done. The player we got in return would need to be around a 85-90 average.
So no "Here's two kids plus a pick" offers for Darling please.
This is just so no-one goes "I didn't know you could/would trade him" later on. But, if no suitable offers come in then we will be more than happy to keep him.
few depth could be moved on (some ok some rubbish)
Def: (Tyson Goldsack, Luke McPharlin, Andrew McInnes, Christian Howard, Xavier Richards (R)).
Fwd: (Trent Dennis-Lane, Ayce Cordy, Luke Reynolds, )
Also just putting it out there
Westhoff (not saying we will trading him but wouldn't mind seeing what kind of offers would be put forward if there is any interest at all otherwise more then happy to keep)
think that is about it for now
ofc other players could be attained but will take a lot (especially wingard :P)
ALL players drafted by Christchurch will be available to be traded immediately, so feel free to send through trade offers as soon as I pick up someone that you want.
Pick me up Gunston and il give you Scully.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
Pick me up Gunston and il give you Scully.
Get GAJ and I give you Nic Nat. ;)
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 07, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
Pick me up Gunston and il give you Scully.
Get GAJ and I give you Nic Nat. ;)
meow we'll give you Greene for GAJ.... then give Torp GAJ for NicNat... then Ele will jizz
Quote from: Ricochet on October 07, 2014, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 07, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
Pick me up Gunston and il give you Scully.
Get GAJ and I give you Nic Nat. ;)
meow we'll give you Greene for GAJ.... then give Torp GAJ for NicNat... then Ele will jizz
I think I just died.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 07, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
Pick me up Gunston and il give you Scully.
Get GAJ and I give you Nic Nat. ;)
flower no don't say stupid shower unless you want bad things to happen
Taylor Adams getting a lot of interest and WILL be traded. If you want him, speak up now.
trent west back on the table for a defender.
Now that the draft is over. I am open to talk trades.
In particular looking for a gun forward. Could potentially package up guys like Isaac Smith, Stephen Hill and Nat 10.
Quote from: Levis43 on October 09, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
Now that the draft is over. I am open to talk trades.
In particular looking for a gun forward. Could potentially package up guys like Isaac Smith, Stephen Hill and Nat 10.
westy
may be able to be moved on
Can we announce trades now?
Yeah pretty sure allowed to once the drafting was officially over.
If anyone is looking to do deals with Christchurch it might be helpful if you could see my players and picks, so here they are:
D: C.Yarran, M.Buntine, S.Dempster, Z.Jones, D.Roberton, L.Picken, J.Patfull, T.Armstrong, S.White, D.Morris
M: T.Boak*, H.Hartlett, L.Whitfield, S. Mitchell*, S.Burgoyne, N.Freeman, R.Lester, D.Armfield
R: W.Minson, H.McIntosh, L.Lowden, J.Hannath, T.Downie, M.King
F: D.Zorko*, D.Smith, J.Gunston, J.Stringer, J.Garlett*, K.Jaksch, J.Kennedy-Harris, M.Daw, J.Sicily
Picks: 5*, 7, 12*, 20, 21*, 33*, 36, 37, 43, 56, 79, 92
* denotes that they are pending trade approval.
Harley Bennell likely to be moved on shortly.
Get in with an offer we cannot refuse or die wondering as they say in the classics.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 09, 2014, 10:51:45 PM
Harley Bennell likely to be moved on shortly.
Get in with an offer we cannot refuse or die wondering as they say in the classics.
would but we saw how im not allowed to get bennell ;)
I am going to bed now.
Send me (and RD) PM's if you are keen on Bennell.
There are 2 really good offers so the offers would have to be really good before me and RD make a decision.
Can package up I. Smith/S. Hill + Nat 10 + Nat 24 for a gun forward under the age of 28. If interested send me a PM.
Shannon Hurn, Ivan Maric and Jimmy Bartel could be gone soon. I know there were a few keen earlier, so got your offers in ASAP.
Just an update regarding Bennell and WHE
We have had A LOT of discussions and offers from heaps of teams, but after careful consideration and long discussions AK and I have decided that we are keeping Bennell and WHE for now
We did get some solid offers, that we mulled over, but at the end of the day, the players offered wouldn't really make enough of a difference to our team
We are still open to offers regarding these two, but we really need it to be an offer we couldn't refuse, which means gun starters need to be put up
Again, thank you for all the offers and patience, but unless we get an offer we cannot refuse, we are more than happy to keep Bennell and WHE
With that being said, we are still interested in trading in a forward, and possibly a mid depth player, so if you have either, feel free to PM us, and state what you would need in return
Cheers
NAT #9 + Jarryd Blair is on the table for a good player. Maybe could add #27 too if needed.
Anybody interested in Stephen Hill, Isaac Smith, Bernie Vince or Nat picks 10, 24, 25 send me a PM.
Quote from: Levis43 on October 12, 2014, 02:55:19 PM
Anybody interested in Stephen Hill, Isaac Smith, Bernie Vince or Nat picks 10, 24, 25 send me a PM.
Yes, but you don't like my oldies :'(
If anyone likes Scott Thompson, I'd be able to trade him along with pick 18 for a slightly younger decent scoring mid.
Great response with 15 of 18 done
Only the 3 coaches to go (Master Q/Toga, roo boys and JBs-Hawks)
Quote from: ossie85 on October 14, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
Great response with 15 of 18 done
Only the 3 coaches to go (Master Q/Toga, roo boys and JBs-Hawks)
Hate being named and shamed :P
Have voted now
Conca looks to be on the move, so any coach who has enquired about him before, take this as a warning.
Also, if Conca gets traded, I'm unlikely to trade Langford, and vice versa. So if interested in either, send me a PM.
Sorry guys we have also submitted our votes ;)
why dont we just give you the Melbourne list purp and be done with it.
Quote from: Holz on October 15, 2014, 04:18:27 PM
why dont we just give you the Melbourne list purp and be done with it.
He's no where near a starter, so he shouldn't count :P
Only have 3 in the starting XV, opposed to 5 or 6 in 2013
Just letting ya'll know that Jack Darling will be on the move. Send me or Memph your offers ASAP if you want to acquire his services. Looking for a starting defender and/or a young mid.
Have all the votes.. will give more detail later and update lists but....
Trade, Votes against
63 2
64 6
65 0
66 5
67 1
68 6
69 0
70 2
71 1
72 1
73 0
I agree with all coaches decisions - i.e. ALL trades pass except 64 and 68.
Haven't checked whether other trades fail because of 64/68 or salary cap yet
are you saying 64 and 68 have actually failed or are they pending your vote and just not passed yet.
im abit confused on that one as 12/18 coaches passed it and you stated you agreed with the coaches decision which was 2/3 passed it and 1/3 rejected it therefore it passes right?
Happy that 66 passed, I'm interested in knowing what the coaches that voted against it thought though...
Quote from: Holz on October 15, 2014, 04:43:33 PM
are you saying 64 and 68 have actually failed or are they pending your vote and just not passed yet.
im abit confused on that one as 12/18 coaches passed it and you stated you agreed with the coaches decision which was 2/3 passed it and 1/3 rejected it therefore it passes right?
6-8 votes means trade fails unless I pass it, and agree that the trade should fail.
really want to see the reason why N5 for Adams was rejected
Quote from: ossie85 on October 15, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 15, 2014, 04:43:33 PM
are you saying 64 and 68 have actually failed or are they pending your vote and just not passed yet.
im abit confused on that one as 12/18 coaches passed it and you stated you agreed with the coaches decision which was 2/3 passed it and 1/3 rejected it therefore it passes right?
6-8 votes means trade fails unless I pass it, and agree that the trade should fail.
am I losing or winning too much apparently?
have no idea
Quote from: Holz on October 15, 2014, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on October 15, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 15, 2014, 04:43:33 PM
are you saying 64 and 68 have actually failed or are they pending your vote and just not passed yet.
im abit confused on that one as 12/18 coaches passed it and you stated you agreed with the coaches decision which was 2/3 passed it and 1/3 rejected it therefore it passes right?
6-8 votes means trade fails unless I pass it, and agree that the trade should fail.
am I losing or winning too much apparently?
have no idea
Patience. Oss said he'd post the detailed results soon.
Wait... did Holz delete his post?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 15, 2014, 04:48:25 PM
really want to see the reason why N5 for Adams was rejected
Quote from: meow meow on October 15, 2014, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 15, 2014, 04:48:25 PM
really want to see the reason why N5 for Adams was rejected
I was close to rejecting it but passed it, I though Adams was worth a bit less than N5 but didn't mind it enough to reject
Q and I didn't think any of the trades this week were so uneven they needed to be negged. Some came closer than others but in the end none seem to massively disadvantage anyone
Just looking at the trades, none of them this week look neg worthy imo.
We had to go hard for Adams as a number of other clubs were keen on him too. Oh well, hopefully we can renegotiate.
Can somebody please take pick 17 off us
Want good forward
Quote from: Jukes on October 15, 2014, 05:32:32 PM
Can somebody please take pick 17 off us
Want good forward
I thought you didn't have any picks left?
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 15, 2014, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: Jukes on October 15, 2014, 05:32:32 PM
Can somebody please take pick 17 off us
Want good forward
I thought you didn't have any picks left?
I'm not throwing pick 17 in as a deal sweetener it's too valuable :3
Quote from: Vinny on October 15, 2014, 05:30:00 PM
Just looking at the trades, none of them this week look neg worthy imo.
Agreed. Would people please flowering understand that they should only neg a trade if it is incredibly one sided?
Quote from: My Chumps on October 15, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 15, 2014, 05:30:00 PM
Just looking at the trades, none of them this week look neg worthy imo.
Agreed. Would people please flowering understand that they should only neg a trade if it is incredibly one sided?
+1, it's getting ridiculous.
Think there are 6 teams that have something against holz trades? :P
Personally i think its good when Holz loses a trade as it brings him closer to the pack
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 15, 2014, 06:53:17 PM
Think there are 6 teams that have something against holz trades? :P
And to think only a couple of years ago trades like that saw Sidebottom traded for a bunch of kids were passed... :P
Quote from: Toga on October 15, 2014, 07:03:02 PM
And to think only a couple of years ago trades like that saw Sidebottom traded for a bunch of kids were passed... :P
Been just as bad trades pass this year, been some shockers that have slipped through. I don't feel trading has got harsher making more equal trades I can't work out why shockers have passed and fair trades are failing.
If the Eski deal went through then can sorta see why the Mitchell deal goes through, how I kinda saw them.
I don't think you can win either way Holz, doesn't work when you win but when you give alot, still doesn't work :P. Should trade with PNL, we have a good record with not getting trades rejected :P.
It seems like there are a few people scared of how good Holz team will become which I can understand somewhat but should it be enough to neg trades - I'm not so sure.
Essentially next season Holz gets and upgrade on Boak to Sloane (114 avg vs 105 avg) and an upgrade on Zorko to Roughead (I know Zorko out-averaged Roughy this season but based on historical stats I think Roughead is better).
So that makes his premiership winning team even stronger than before.
So while he may have 'lost' the trade by giving up Nat 12 and Nat 25 as well this would be why I'm guessing the trade was negged due to the others in contention not having a chance to win (let's face it Dublin was easily the best team last season, still won without Rocky playing and arguably the second best team has just been dismantled in the recent draft).
It's almost like the Swans trading embargo thing the AFL have got going on...You can't trade in any more players because you are already too good.
Did Holz even lose? He improved his best team, but sacrificed a bit of depth.
What is an upgrade of a 114/24 year old to a 105/27 year old worth? Nothing? Of course I want more than just a straight swap.
Zorko will get no mid time with the arrival of Beams, so most likely score a lot less than Roughy next year. I don't think wanting extra is unreasonable there either.
Everyone else has the chance to grab Roughead and/or Sloane for a similar deal(s). If you don't want Holz to get stronger, then lure these guys to your own club. Offering two spuds in exchange for 1 gun isn't going to get it done though.
I can not see why some trades have passed previously as I think some coaches do not do the analysis some other coaches do. At the moment it is taking me between 1 - 2 hours to look at the trades and rule on evenness and fairness. Position on ladder and strength of franchise are only considerations if I am in two minds on the trade to counter the argument above.
So to put it bluntly I take offence at saying I have a vendetta against certain teams as implied by comments above.
Quote from: Ringo on October 15, 2014, 08:09:16 PM
I can not see why some trades have passed previously as I think some coaches do not do the analysis some other coaches do.
This, definitely agree.
Also, sorry Ringo, I was only kidding about that and pretty sure JB was too haha, hence the :P
I think we've already had this discussion a million times regarding the trade/voting system, let it go boys.
Maybe one of the picks Holz offered needs to be knocked off the deal or meow should put up a 3rd rounder to even the trade up a tad.
The trade as is in NY's opinion is weighted too much in Meow's favour.
Wasn't the worst trade though. There was one that passed that was a clear shocker :-X
The trades have all been decided on, so you can share AK :P
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
If all trades were dead even theres not point in trading
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 15, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
If all trades were dead even theres not point in trading
No trade ever is, but it has to be pretty reasonable for both sides, cannot be a clear winner and loser in a trade.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Pick 9 is alot more unproven then Mccarthy! Whose job security got alot better today too. And Longer himself was a top 10 pick.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 15, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
If all trades were dead even theres not point in trading
No trade ever is, but it has to be pretty reasonable for both sides, cannot be a clear winner and loser in a trade.
Holz gave up two draft picks that are never gonna make his best 15 for a 20 ppg increase on his teams output.
A trade should never be negged if holz is deemed to 'lose'. The man knows what hes doing more then any of us bar maybe meow and hb
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 15, 2014, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 15, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
If all trades were dead even theres not point in trading
No trade ever is, but it has to be pretty reasonable for both sides, cannot be a clear winner and loser in a trade.
Holz gave up two draft picks that are never gonna make his best 15 for a 20 ppg increase on his teams output.
A trade should never be negged if holz is deemed to 'lose'. The man knows what hes doing more then any of us bar maybe meow and hb
Really no trade should be negged if that is your view.
Every trade needs some balance, I'm not just going to just pass a trade because someone knows what they are doing (even though I know that Holz knows what he is doing)
Your right very few trades should be negged. Think iv negged two all year ;)
If Dublin getting stronger is bad for the comp, how is he meant to trade, he isn't gonna trade to lose? He lost in this trade and people complain. He wins people complain. Holz can't win. :P
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Says the team that traded McKenzie for pick 10 - by far the most one sided trade that has been passed this period :-X
Longer is a 21 year old ruck that played 16 games this season. He's pretty damn valuable.
Quote from: Vinny on October 15, 2014, 09:27:57 PM
If Dublin getting stronger is bad for the comp, how is he meant to trade, he isn't gonna trade to lose? He lost in this trade and people complain. He wins people complain. Holz can't win. :P
well I can win the comp though ;)
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
McCarthy was taken with Pick#15 last year, don't you think a pre-season and a year of development is worth an increase in picks? Longer for Guthrie is more than fair, considering the lack of Rucks and the amount of Mids in the player pool.
This is what I mean about people not knowing the value of certain players and just looking at their names and the trade on paper.
no a preseason and development is not worth an increase in picks showing potential at AFL level is and one game doesn't count
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Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
McCarthy was taken with Pick#15 last year, don't you think a pre-season and a year of development is worth an increase in picks? Longer for Guthrie is more than fair, considering the lack of Rucks and the amount of Mids in the player pool.
Not for pick 9 no way, maybe another pick in the 30's instead
Guthrie gets games at the cats and Longer (when Hickey plays) does not at St Kilda.
I apologise for looking at trades in a fair and reasonable way then.
I could just pass everything and not give a shower about the consequences (as long as NY's trades are passed ;))
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Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
I apologise for looking at trades in a fair and reasonable way then.
I could just pass everything and not give a shower about the consequences (as long as NY's trades are passed ;))
I pass everything, we've got 18 teams with very competent coaches. Not like any of the people here are ignorant.
I think PNL push the boundaries Torp. We do have Reindeers imported from the North Pole as our mascots.
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Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
McCarthy was taken with Pick#15 last year, don't you think a pre-season and a year of development is worth an increase in picks? Longer for Guthrie is more than fair, considering the lack of Rucks and the amount of Mids in the player pool.
Not for pick 9 no way, maybe another pick in the 30's instead
Guthrie gets games at the cats and Longer (when Hickey plays) does not at St Kilda.
Once again McCarthy was taken with #15 last year, why would a weaker pick be fair?
Longer is a Ruckman, he will take longer(pardon the pun) to be a high scoring fantasy player, but has potential to be a premium Ruck.
Guthrie tagged most of the year, 80avg. Midfielders are a dime a dozen. This trade works because both teams improve their scoring output and/or future prospects.
Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
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Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
McCarthy was taken with Pick#15 last year, don't you think a pre-season and a year of development is worth an increase in picks? Longer for Guthrie is more than fair, considering the lack of Rucks and the amount of Mids in the player pool.
Not for pick 9 no way, maybe another pick in the 30's instead
Guthrie gets games at the cats and Longer (when Hickey plays) does not at St Kilda.
Once again McCarthy was taken with #15 last year, why would a weaker pick be fair?
Longer is a Ruckman, he will take longer(pardon the pun) to be a high scoring fantasy player, but has potential to be a premium Ruck.
Guthrie tagged most of the year, 80avg. Midfielders are a dime a dozen. This trade works because both teams improve their scoring output and/or future prospects.
Ok then. agree to disagree.
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 15, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
I think PNL push the boundaries Torp. We do have Reindeers imported from the North Pole as our mascots.
The North Pole is actually real?
#mindblown
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Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
McCarthy was taken with Pick#15 last year, don't you think a pre-season and a year of development is worth an increase in picks? Longer for Guthrie is more than fair, considering the lack of Rucks and the amount of Mids in the player pool.
Not for pick 9 no way, maybe another pick in the 30's instead
Guthrie gets games at the cats and Longer (when Hickey plays) does not at St Kilda.
Once again McCarthy was taken with #15 last year, why would a weaker pick be fair?
Longer is a Ruckman, he will take longer(pardon the pun) to be a high scoring fantasy player, but has potential to be a premium Ruck.
Guthrie tagged most of the year, 80avg. Midfielders are a dime a dozen. This trade works because both teams improve their scoring output and/or future prospects.
Ok then. agree to disagree.
In three years when McCarthys a premium Forward, you'll be falling over yourself to be buying him.
Trust me this was the minimum we were going to take and it was a borderline decision as is. Could of easily passed on it.
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Quote from: Hellopplz on October 15, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
I think PNL push the boundaries Torp. We do have Reindeers imported from the North Pole as our mascots.
The North Pole is actually real?
#mindblown
From the same people who brought you the fire-breathing Polar Bears ;).
alot of passion in the offseason, the great thing is all will be revealed next year when the season starts.
cant wait for the draft, interesting to see how good these picks are.
I love it, opinionated debate in good spirit is very healthy for the competition.
Lacking ruck depth? Want Majak Daw? Jack Hannath? Luke Lowden? Tom Downie? Max King?
Considering floating Conigilio up for trade if anyone has some offers?
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on October 15, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
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Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence Johnson is on decline...
Heath Scotland scored well two years ago, how much his he worth now?
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I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence Johnson is on decline...
Heath Scotland scored well two years ago, how much his he worth now?
Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.
Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.
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Quote from: AaronKirk on October 15, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence Johnson is on decline...
Heath Scotland scored well two years ago, how much his he worth now?
At the similar age, Boomer went from 101 to 95. Then bounced back to 104 and 108 in the next two years. Quality bounces back
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I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence Johnson is on decline...
Heath Scotland scored well two years ago, how much his he worth now?
Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.
Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.
It doesn't matter on the class of the player. It matters on their age, Johnson's an injury plagued player his whole career will struggle to get through the next 2 season.
You might (if ya lucky) get 35 games out of him. The guy who sold you him is laughing all the way to the bank, with his pick#8. (and the next 12 years of a high draft pick)
And that is the brutal truth. Simple fact is, unless you are shooting for a flag next year, Johnson is completely worthless.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 12:14:09 AM
Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.
Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.
got to defend one of my boys here. He has averaged 110 in the past and just a few years ago he averaged 106 as a backman which put him up the top of the backman and definitely a super premo.
not commenting on the trade at all but Scotland is no scrub.
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I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence Johnson is on decline...
Heath Scotland scored well two years ago, how much his he worth now?
At the similar age, Boomer went from 101 to 95. Then bounced back to 104 and 108 in the next two years. Quality bounces back
Hey Rico, name me two other times it's happened to a player over 34? ::) Boomer never had on going injuries either.
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I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence Johnson is on decline...
Heath Scotland scored well two years ago, how much his he worth now?
Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.
Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.
It doesn't matter on the class of the player. It matters on their age, Johnson's an injury plagued player his whole career will struggle to get through the next 2 season.
You might (if ya lucky) get 35 games out of him. The guy who sold you him is laughing all the way to the bank, with his pick#8. (and the next 12 years of a high draft pick)
And that is the brutal truth. Simple fact is, unless you are shooting for a flag next year, Johnson is completely worthless.
Everyone should be trying to finish as high as possible. Of course we are trying to push for a flag in year 1 as co-coaches, even as unrealistic as it is to think anyone will beat Dublin :o
In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)
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In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)
We also have a lot of young players in our team, so it was worth the risk to bring in some proven premium experience.
Had my co-coach allowed me to we could have traded Bennell for a top 5 pick to land one of the gun forwards in this years draft, but RD knocked me back ::)
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I will.
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy
Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.
Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you. Just throw up an offer. ;D
It is opinion based.
I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous
We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.
Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.
Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative
So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.
I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)
It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::) A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..
Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.
He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence Johnson is on decline...
Heath Scotland scored well two years ago, how much his he worth now?
At the similar age, Boomer went from 101 to 95. Then bounced back to 104 and 108 in the next two years. Quality bounces back
Hey Rico, name me two other times it's happened to a player over 34? ::) Boomer never had on going injuries either.
34?? we're talking about a 31yr old mate. Who would have thought Sandi would play 21 games this year?? and SJ missed most of his games in previous years due to suspension not injury. Point is he is a gun scorer with a couple of years left, perfect for someone pushing for a flag, anything can happen
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In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)
We also have a lot of young players in our team, so it was worth the risk to bring in some proven premium experience.
Had my co-coach allowed me to we could have traded Bennell for a top 5 pick to land one of the gun forwards in this years draft, but RD knocked me back ::)
Look I'm not having a go, just pointing out that you paid too much for Stevie.
You didn't like the Guthrie/Longer trade and used the example of paying #8+Player for Johnson, as setting a precedents for the value of Picks.
It is not evidence that can be used to show anything, other than you overvalue Johnson.
...Bennell for Pick#5 ? We have Pick#9, please let's talk friend. :)
We traded Jaensch for #5 :P. But we value high picks as if chosen well are very nice to have!
And I still remember we traded Stevie J for Westhoff + depth... Probably was even due to Stevie J's injuries but man can he go big when fit :(.
Just a reminer
I traded longer for pick 5 two years ago, probably the most relevant precedence.
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In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)
We also have a lot of young players in our team, so it was worth the risk to bring in some proven premium experience.
Had my co-coach allowed me to we could have traded Bennell for a top 5 pick to land one of the gun forwards in this years draft, but RD knocked me back ::)
Look I'm not having a go, just pointing out that you paid too much for Stevie.
You didn't like the Guthrie/Longer trade and used the example of paying #8+Player for Johnson, as setting a precedents for the value of Picks.
It is not evidence that can be used to show anything, other than you overvalue Johnson.
...Bennell for Pick#5 ? We have Pick#9, please let's talk friend. :)
it was bennell for pick.in top 5 and a good scoring player but RD said no
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Just a reminer
I traded longer for pick 5 two years ago, probably the most relevant precedence.
So you are saying we didn't get enough for him?
McCartney Pick#15 last year, Longer #5 two years ago. Both under 22yo. I wonder where Guthrie got taken in the draft?
The more I think about it, the more I think we didn't get enough in return. Redo, block the trade :)
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McCartney Pick#15 last year
Pfft, no. Brendan McCartney is far too old to be drafted. What a ridiculous comment.
Maidens, who's to say that Pick 8 will eventuate to be anything?
Heaps of Top 10 picks have turned out to be spuds. I'm more than happy to give up the pick for a proven gun
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Just a reminer
I traded longer for pick 5 two years ago, probably the most relevant precedence.
So you are saying we didn't get enough for him?
McCartney Pick#15 last year, Longer #5 two years ago. Both under 22yo. I wonder where Guthrie got taken in the draft?
The more I think about it, the more I think we didn't get enough in return. Redo, block the trade :)
I think it's fair, that's why I passed it.
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In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)
We also have a lot of young players in our team, so it was worth the risk to bring in some proven premium experience.
Had my co-coach allowed me to we could have traded Bennell for a top 5 pick to land one of the gun forwards in this years draft, but RD knocked me back ::)
thank god he did
I just want to say like many others - I love the passion in the WXVs.
This is why I wanted to be a head coach.
With regards to the Longer/McCarthy deal for Guthrie - the main thing for us was that good rucks are very hard to come by and take a long time to develop. Longer has already had that development period at the Lions and a year at the saints and was a Top 10 pick originally.
McCarthy was the second best kpp in the draft last year and a Top 20 pick while, like Chumps said, Guthrie is good but non-super premium midfielders are a dime a dozen. We have Cooney, Bird, Curnow as mids who would be ahead of him or close to his scoring this season anyway
Also the AFL trade week has played in to our hands. With Stanley leaving the Saints Longer and Hickey playing together could be more of a reality while Boyd's departure from the Giants means McCarthy could get more game time.
PS - I see the re-worked Dublin deal. What the? In my opinion Holz's was improving his team too much. If anything the deal is worse now.
Oh well, time to plan to be premiers in 2-3 seasons time (always our plan). Next year looking like a one-horse race...
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PS - I see the re-worked Dublin deal. What the? In my opinion Holz's was improving his team too much. If anything the deal is worse now.
this is what makes it hard to negotiate, everyone I talked to said I was losing in the trade but in terms of next year it does improve my squad. But that's why I overpaid in the trade to do it. The picks should really balance it out.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 16, 2014, 01:36:30 AM
Maidens, who's to say that Pick 8 will eventuate to be anything?
Heaps of Top 10 picks have turned out to be spuds. I'm more than happy to give up the pick for a proven gun
Yep you are correct, Top 10 picks can be spuds.(but are you sure that's the argument you want to settle on?)
If so, than we will use your own argument and say "pick#9 that we got in the Longer/Guthrie trade may end up being a spud".
Which means there's risk and devalues the pick. Clearly the Guthrie deal has to be fair in that case.
I didn't bring up the Johnson trade, it was used as evidence for the value of a Pick. I'm allowed to dispute that evidence and did so.
If you honestly think that deal was bad, you would have a field day in AXV. Someone just traded Hibberd for Jeremy McGovern. :o
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If you honestly think that deal was bad, you would have a field day in AXV. Someone just traded Hibberd for Jeremy McGovern. :o
Please, context is important. Very much a needs based deal.
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If you honestly think that deal was bad, you would have a field day in AXV. Someone just traded Hibberd for Jeremy McGovern. :o
Please, context is important. Very much a needs based deal.
Wow, whoever got Hibberd got destroyed.
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If you honestly think that deal was bad, you would have a field day in AXV. Someone just traded Hibberd for Jeremy McGovern. :o
Please, context is important. Very much a needs based deal.
Wow, whoever got Hibberd got destroyed.
I know. ;D
Open to offers for Giles now, would like a good mid or defender in return. Hit me up.
Top forwards in SC last year:
1. Stefan Martin - not a forward
2. Robbie Gray
3. Luke Parker - not a forward
4. Brent Harvey - OLD
5. Patrick Dangerfield - not a forward
6. Buddy Franklin
7. Ben McGlynn - not a forward
8. Dustin Martin
9. Dayne Zorko
10. Paul Chapman - OLD
11. Cyril Rioli - injury prone
12. Nick Riewoldt - OLD
13. Luke Dahlhaus
14. Jarrad Waite - OLD
15. Devon Smith
21 years old. 59 games. 94 DT/ 91.2 SC average.
To me, it appears that Devon is the 5th most valuable forward when you take age, scoring ability/potential, and durablity into account. He can be moved on. Serious offers only please.
Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
If you're taking into account age and scoring ability, I'd rate a few players ahead of Smith that weren't listed i.e. Boyd, Daniher, Hogan, etc.
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
Jason Tutt, in his first match (147 in fact)!
I demand equal price that Whitfield will attract :P haha
Chumps post may have been lost in all the noise before but Jack Darling could be on his way out of Cape Town.
If you are interested then let me know!
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Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
Jason Tutt, in his first match (147 in fact)!
I demand equal price that Whitfield will attract :P haha
I'll take Tutt, I'll give you a Coke Zero and a packet of chips in return.
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
Top forwards in SC last year:
1. Stefan Martin - not a forward
2. Robbie Gray
3. Luke Parker - not a forward
4. Brent Harvey - OLD
5. Patrick Dangerfield - not a forward
6. Buddy Franklin
7. Ben McGlynn - not a forward
8. Dustin Martin
9. Dayne Zorko
10. Paul Chapman - OLD
11. Cyril Rioli - injury prone
12. Nick Riewoldt - OLD
13. Luke Dahlhaus
14. Jarrad Waite - OLD
15. Devon Smith
21 years old. 59 games. 94 DT/ 91.2 SC average.
To me, it appears that Devon is the 5th most valuable forward when you take age, scoring ability/potential, and durablity into account. He can be moved on. Serious offers only please.
Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
Roughy?
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Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
Top forwards in SC last year:
1. Stefan Martin - not a forward
2. Robbie Gray
3. Luke Parker - not a forward
4. Brent Harvey - OLD
5. Patrick Dangerfield - not a forward
6. Buddy Franklin
7. Ben McGlynn - not a forward
8. Dustin Martin
9. Dayne Zorko
10. Paul Chapman - OLD
11. Cyril Rioli - injury prone
12. Nick Riewoldt - OLD
13. Luke Dahlhaus
14. Jarrad Waite - OLD
15. Devon Smith
21 years old. 59 games. 94 DT/ 91.2 SC average.
To me, it appears that Devon is the 5th most valuable forward when you take age, scoring ability/potential, and durablity into account. He can be moved on. Serious offers only please.
Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
Roughy?
Bennell should get forward too and out averaged Smith. K Jack might as well as well as Mitch Duncan. But, yes he is very valuable
If anyone wants to make an offer for Giles, get it in now. Will be gone by tonight. ;)
we have Bennell and Duncan :) both could well have DPP next year.
For a 95 average forward we would maybe move bennell. need something else as a sweetener as well
long term Bennell will only be a mid, so looking for a player under 26 who averages 90+ as a forward as a starting point.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
we have Bennell and Duncan :) both could well have DPP next year.
For a 95 average forward we would maybe move bennell. need something else as a sweetener as well
long term Bennell will only be a mid, so looking for a player under 26 who averages 90+ as a forward as a starting point.
Good luck with this then because based on the above list and a list of those forwards who averaged 90+ last season then your options that fit this criteria are Dustin Martin, Dayne Zorko, Devon Smith, Jack Gunston and maybe Zaharakis if he gets forward eligibility.
The only other one under 26 is Duncan and you already have him.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
we have Bennell and Duncan :) both could well have DPP next year.
For a 95 average forward we would maybe move bennell. need something else as a sweetener as well
long term Bennell will only be a mid, so looking for a player under 26 who averages 90+ as a forward as a starting point.
Don't have that but can offer a can of Coke Zero and a packet of chips. If that's not enough, I think I've got some chocolates from Easter. 8)
Quote from: Jukes on October 16, 2014, 04:49:44 PM
If you're taking into account age and scoring ability, I'd rate a few players ahead of Smith that weren't listed i.e. Boyd, Daniher, Hogan, etc.
All potential and hype at this point. Smith already averaged 91.2 You might have to wait 4 years for the power forwards to deliver an average like Dev's. 4 premo years is an eternity in XV's.
Think of Devon Smith as being Cyril Rioli without the injuries and that's the kind of value he has. Don't make me have to get ///////////////////////// to explain it to you.
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Quote from: Jukes on October 16, 2014, 04:49:44 PM
If you're taking into account age and scoring ability, I'd rate a few players ahead of Smith that weren't listed i.e. Boyd, Daniher, Hogan, etc.
Think of Devon Smith as being Cyril Rioli without the injuries and that's the kind of value he has. Don't make me have to get ///////////////////////// to explain it to you.
Haha, tbh I'd love to hear slasher go on about Devon. May increase his trade value ;) :P
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
we have Bennell and Duncan :) both could well have DPP next year.
For a 95 average forward we would maybe move bennell. need something else as a sweetener as well
long term Bennell will only be a mid, so looking for a player under 26 who averages 90+ as a forward as a starting point.
There's only Dusty (23), Zorko (25), Rioli (25), Dahlhaus (22), Gunston (22) and Smith (21) who fit that criteria.
How many mids under 26 that average 95+ are there? A lot more than 6 I reckon.
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Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
we have Bennell and Duncan :) both could well have DPP next year.
For a 95 average forward we would maybe move bennell. need something else as a sweetener as well
long term Bennell will only be a mid, so looking for a player under 26 who averages 90+ as a forward as a starting point.
There's only Dusty (23), Zorko (25), Rioli (25), Dahlhaus (22), Gunston (22) and Smith (21) who fit that criteria.
How many mids under 26 that average 95+ are there? A lot more than 6 I reckon.
Bennell could be a forward as well. we had an offer for a forward who will average 90+ next year in walters and a pick but it got knocked back.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
we have Bennell and Duncan :) both could well have DPP next year.
For a 95 average forward we would maybe move bennell. need something else as a sweetener as well
long term Bennell will only be a mid, so looking for a player under 26 who averages 90+ as a forward as a starting point.
There's only Dusty (23), Zorko (25), Rioli (25), Dahlhaus (22), Gunston (22) and Smith (21) who fit that criteria.
How many mids under 26 that average 95+ are there? A lot more than 6 I reckon.
Bennell could be a forward as well. we had an offer for a forward who will average 90+ next year in walters and a pick but it got knocked back.
I bet Walters doesn't average more than 90 next year. IF he does, it will be from 15 games or less.
Dev doesn't miss games. He's 174 cms of toughness.
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
I bet Walters doesn't average more than 90 next year. IF he does, it will be from 15 games or less.
I'll take that bet :P
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
I bet Walters doesn't average more than 90 next year. IF he does, it will be from 15 games or less.
Agreed, that's why I traded him.
Quote from: Jukes on October 16, 2014, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
I bet Walters doesn't average more than 90 next year. IF he does, it will be from 15 games or less.
Agreed, that's why I traded him.
I think he will go 85+ from 20+ games. That's why I traded him in.
Quote from: Holz on October 16, 2014, 11:40:07 PM
Quote from: Jukes on October 16, 2014, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
I bet Walters doesn't average more than 90 next year. IF he does, it will be from 15 games or less.
Agreed, that's why I traded him.
I think he will go 85+ from 20+ games. That's why I traded him in.
And an 85+ forward is more valuable than a 95 mid.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 16, 2014, 11:40:07 PM
Quote from: Jukes on October 16, 2014, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
I bet Walters doesn't average more than 90 next year. IF he does, it will be from 15 games or less.
Agreed, that's why I traded him.
I think he will go 85+ from 20+ games. That's why I traded him in.
And an 85+ forward is more valuable than a 95 mid.
And a 91+ forward is more valuable than a 95 mid. But that's not what NY was saying in the trade negotiations! You even said it just a few posts ago.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 06:39:47 PM
For a 95 average forward we would maybe move bennell. need something else as a sweetener as well
So you say that an 85+ fwd is worth more than a 95 mid, but you want a 90+ forward AND a sweetener for your 95 mid. Interesting logic.
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2014, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
Jason Tutt, in his first match (147 in fact)!
I demand equal price that Whitfield will attract :P haha
Not bad P77, not bad at all.
Except it was Tutt's 2nd year on our list! Any other team and you may have gotten away with it.
Sorry for the wait guys
Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
Votes Against: 2
Coach comments: Believe Pacific winning by too much
Admin comments: Really comes down to how much you rate Longer and Pick 9.... no real issue from me
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 64
Dublin Trade: Dayne Zorko + Travis Boak + N12 + N21
Christchurch Trade: Rory Sloane + Jarryd Roughead
Votes Against: 6
Coach comments: Most feedback believe Dublin giving too much, but a couple feel that it makes Dublin's best XV too strong
Admin comments: This trade causes a fair amount of unease from coaches it was clear, I'm not hugely keen to over rule the coaches myself, so will let it fail. I do admit it makes it hard for this trade to be adjusted.
Final verdict: REJECTED
Trade 65
NDT give: Ben Stratton
Cairo give: Jarman Impey
Votes Against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: Reckon Impey will improve a fair bit!
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 66
Cairo give: Sam Mitchell and Pick 33
Christchurch give: Nick Smith and Travis Colyer
Votes Against: 5
Coach comments: Feel that Nick Smith's scoring potential is limited, despite Mitchell's age
Admin comments: Risky business this one, but again not enough to overrule the coaches
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 67
NDT give: N6 + Sheridan
PNL give: N5 + JGrant
Votes Against: 1
Coach comments: Believe New Delhi giving too much
Admin comments: Interesting one this one, but no issue
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 68
NDT give: N5
Christchurch give: TAdams
Votes Against: 6
Coach comments: Believe Pick 5 is worth more than Adams
Admin comments: I agree, definitely not enough to over rule the trade.
Final verdict: REJECTED
Trade 69
Christchurch trade: Mitch Golby
Berlin trade: Jeff Garlett
Votes Against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: Can't quite believe Purple got rid of a new Melbourne recruit
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 70
New York give: Aaron Black and Pick 41
Beijing give: Matt Rosa
Votes Against: 2
Coach comments: Believe Black is worth more than Rosa, let alone a pick
Admin comments: A risky trade, I also feel Beijing a clear winner, but would pass this one (passes without me anyway)
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 71
Mexico give: Daniel Merrett, Ciaran Sheehan + Pick 62
Toronto give: Matt Shaw, Tom Bell + Picks 68, 86
Votes Against: 1
Coach comments: Believe picks aren't warranted
Admin comments: No real issue from me
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 72
Pacific give: NAT Pick #40
Mexico City give: Adam Goodes + James Strauss
Votes Against: 1
Coach comments: Don't think its worth it
Admin comments: Seems fair to me!
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 73
Mexico City give: Tom Bell
New Delhi: Shaun Hampson
Votes Against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final verdict: PASSED
Quote from: ossie85 on October 17, 2014, 08:27:03 AM
Trade 72
Pacific give: NAT Pick #40
Mexico City give: Adam Goodes + James Strauss
Votes Against: 1
Coach comments: Don't think its worth it
Admin comments: Seems fair to me!
Final verdict: PASSED
Oh the insightfulness :P
Nick Smith was recruited so we're not having to pick from guys like Chaplin, Laidler etc.
Quote from: meow meow on October 17, 2014, 03:30:42 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2014, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
Jason Tutt, in his first match (147 in fact)!
I demand equal price that Whitfield will attract :P haha
Not bad P77, not bad at all.
Except it was Tutt's 2nd year on our list! Any other team and you may have gotten away with it.
meow.... just... OK? :P
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 17, 2014, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: meow meow on October 17, 2014, 03:30:42 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on October 16, 2014, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 16, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
Just turned 20, former #1 pick with 2 seasons development into him, Lachie Whitfield is also available to be traded. It took Lachie just 2 matches to score his first SC 100, with a high of 141 in his first season. How many players do that?!
Jason Tutt, in his first match (147 in fact)!
I demand equal price that Whitfield will attract :P haha
Not bad P77, not bad at all.
Except it was Tutt's 2nd year on our list! Any other team and you may have gotten away with it.
meow.... just... OK? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6PbBVTRTl8
Hang on a second, I was under the impreession that we were supposed to vote on the fairness of trades. Feeling Dublin's XV is getting too strong has nothing to do with the fairness of the trade.
Good to see some coaches rejected it for the right reason in that I overpaid.
If people are allowed to vote in that regards, can I start negging trades because people are going too young and that's bad for the comp? Or does it only work one way?
Competitiveness of struggling team and fairness for the competition are legitimate reasons to block a trade.
I agree with you holz
We rejected it, and we even said only just, because we think you gave up too much. Keep Pick 12, and just give 21 and I am fine with it
Also, Meow, in regards to you quoting AK, just let it go, we are keeping Bennell and WHE :)
Quote from: ossie85 on October 17, 2014, 10:59:32 AM
Competitiveness of struggling team and fairness for the competition are legitimate reasons to block a trade.
Fair enough, I see why Dublin has by far the most trade rejects now.
This is just an idea but I think a system where you have 3 options in voting may work. So team A wins , team B wins, even
Because let's say 4 voted Christchurch Wins 14 votes even trade and 2 votes Dublin wins. That really to me should balance out to +2 on the Christchurch win.
Taking it to the extreme if 9 reject because team A wins and 9 reject because team B wins I would Like to see it pass as coaches clearly can't decide and it sounds like an even trade.
Quote from: ossie85 on October 17, 2014, 10:59:32 AM
Competitiveness of struggling team and fairness for the competition are legitimate reasons to block a trade.
I'm glad this was said by the admin!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 17, 2014, 11:00:48 AM
We rejected it, and we even said only just, because we think you gave up too much. Keep Pick 12, and just give 21 and I am fine with it
Seconded.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 17, 2014, 11:00:48 AM
I agree with you holz
We rejected it, and we even said only just, because we think you gave up too much. Keep Pick 12, and just give 21 and I am fine with it
Also, Meow, in regards to you quoting AK, just let it go, we are keeping Bennell and WHE :)
I have to overpay for a chance for one of my trades to go through though. I'm not allowed to trade the picks for players like others can so to me picks are worth less unless I use them .I do fair trades and they got shot down, so this time I overpaid abit too much, that the unbiased coaches quite rightly rejected it. The new trade hopefully is the right balance of slightly overpaying.
At what point will Holz(or whoever the best team is) be alllowed to improve their starting XVs? Eventually Holz will run out of trade ammo and severely deplete his depth, which will only hurt him next year.
Like does he have to wait until other teams are better than him before he can trade to improve his best XVs?
TBH, I thought that was an even trade.
Sloane and Roughy are way better than Boak and Zorko, so the picks even it up.
I get the idea of a 'premiership tilt' or whatever you wanna call it, but I don't see why a good team can't have good depth as well. Nails went hard at a premiership for like three years, didn't win and has kinda paid the price for it.
Personally (key word right there), don't like the idea of sacrificing depth just to have the best starting XV.
If anyone is after a depth defender, we have Heath Grundy and Spud Firrito
A depth mid in return would do it
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 11:14:12 AM
I get the idea of a 'premiership tilt' or whatever you wanna call it, but I don't see why a good team can't have good depth as well. Nails went hard at a premiership for like three years, didn't win and has kinda paid the price for it.
Personally (key word right there), don't like the idea of sacrificing depth just to have the best starting XV.
Agree I didn't want to. I wanted to use the picks to get swan and chappy for my depth and keep Boak and zorko in my starting squad. But couldn't trade picks for players. So I had to either use the picks or upgrade my starting XV and using the picks doesn't help me now.
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 11:18:13 AM
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 11:14:12 AM
I get the idea of a 'premiership tilt' or whatever you wanna call it, but I don't see why a good team can't have good depth as well. Nails went hard at a premiership for like three years, didn't win and has kinda paid the price for it.
Personally (key word right there), don't like the idea of sacrificing depth just to have the best starting XV.
Agree I didn't want to. I wanted to use the picks to get swan and chappy for my depth and keep Boak and zorko in my starting squad. But couldn't trade picks for players. So I had to either use the picks or upgrade my starting XV and using the picks doesn't help me now.
Wait why can't you trade picks for players?
Same reasons as stated for trade rejections Team is too strong bringing in Chappy and Swan even if only for 2 seasons. I thought first round picks for these aged players is ok and even if other rounds added.
Quote from: Ringo on October 17, 2014, 11:35:53 AM
Same reasons as stated for trade rejections Team is too strong bringing in Chappy and Swan even if only for 2 seasons. I thought first round picks for these aged players is ok and even if other rounds added.
Yep that's it, was a fair trade but went down as Dublin can't make these moves.
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Ringo on October 17, 2014, 11:35:53 AM
Same reasons as stated for trade rejections Team is too strong bringing in Chappy and Swan even if only for 2 seasons. I thought first round picks for these aged players is ok and even if other rounds added.
Yep that's it, was a fair trade but went down as Dublin can't make these moves.
Sounds like another club in the AFL Trade Period #Sydney #TradeBan
The thing is though Dublin is not decreasing their depth by trading their picks away. This is something Holz has been very clever at in the past imo - trading picks and/or players who will not be Best XV or probably in the next 2-3 depth players but have plenty of potential for players that will improve his best XV.
For example from last season - there's a whole heap of potential that Dublin is trading out here and picks but a whole heap of gun players coming in. It's actually really well done from Holz and why his team is so strong now (and his EXV team was unbelievably good even though it didn't win).
Dublin trade: Jesse Hogan & Sam Docherty
Moscow trade: Michael Walters & Jack Darling
Dublin trade: Jaeger O'Meara and Pick 31
Moscow trade: Nat Fyfe
Dublin trade: Aaron Black, Shaun Atley, Pick 10, Pick 49
New York trade: Grant Birchall and Tom Lee
Dublin trade: Zac Clarke, Tom Lee and Pick 67
Moscow trade: Charlie Dixon and Robert Murphy
Cairo trade: Shaun Grigg
Dublin trade: Jed Anderson
Dublin trade: Jack Darling, Jed Lamb, Brad Hill and Lachy Plowman
Cape Town trade: Jobe Watson
Pacific trade: Tom Rockliff, Luke Delaney and Pick 78
Dublin trade: Jack Redden, Michael Hurley and Sam Day
Dublin trade: Nathan Fyfe, Mitch Clark, Lachie Hunter
Berlin trade: Lance Franklin, Nick Dal Santo, Tom McDonald
I actually think that based of last season's results Dublin won every single one of these trades though longer term they may well lose some of these.
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 11:14:12 AM
Personally (key word right there), don't like the idea of sacrificing depth just to have the best starting XV.
Out: Mumford, Everitt, White, Lamb, Armstrong
In: Franklin
Happens in the AFL too.
I'll take offers on Roughy and Sloane again, since there is an unofficial Sydney trade ban on Holz and it will probably fail again. I'm not complaining, I am willing to trade these guys to any team that makes a similar offer!
We would have given more than that for Broadbent :(
Just going to have to accept the fact that no-one will trade us a decent defender. Oh well if Haynes, O'Shea, Higgins, Pittard and Gwilt all stay fit next season we should manage.
So would i if he replied to messages ::)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 17, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Ringo on October 17, 2014, 11:35:53 AM
Same reasons as stated for trade rejections Team is too strong bringing in Chappy and Swan even if only for 2 seasons. I thought first round picks for these aged players is ok and even if other rounds added.
Yep that's it, was a fair trade but went down as Dublin can't make these moves.
Sounds like another club in the AFL Trade Period #Sydney #TradeBan
The thing is though Dublin is not decreasing their depth by trading their picks away. This is something Holz has been very clever at in the past imo - trading picks and/or players who will not be Best XV or probably in the next 2-3 depth players but have plenty of potential for players that will improve his best XV.
For example from last season - there's a whole heap of potential that Dublin is trading out here and picks but a whole heap of gun players coming in. It's actually really well done from Holz and why his team is so strong now (and his EXV team was unbelievably good even though it didn't win).
the issue for me is I need more high quality depth as a few injuries and im in major trouble but I have been unable to get it
Dublin Trades: Tom Rockliff + Robert Murphy + N57
Dublin Receives: Steele Sidebottom + Shannon Hurn + Daniel Wells + Josh Saunders + N84
This weakens my best XV quite abit as Rocky should beat Sidey by 15 and Rocky should beat selwood by 5-10 so thats a loss of 20-25 points. Hurn if anything will make up only 5 on Murphy. The rest is to increase my depth so a 20 point loss to increase depth just in the form of Wells and Saunders. This weakens my XV quite abit but was disallowed.
Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman
neither Swan or Chappy will be in my starting 15 and will be back ups on both line. I overpaid for one because Nails was getting robbed by teams knowing they had to sell and secondly because I need to do this for trades to pass and third because of the cap. While im trading away alot of players my quality depth increased but again this was rejected.
I think the idea of 'high quality depth' is what irks people. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of it.
You've got arguably the best team in the competition and few injuries and whatnot would obviously bring you back to the pack which you've acknowledged. Happened to PNL in 2013 and we saw how good they can be with a bit of luck, similar situation at Cairo as well.
There's nothing wrong with trying to get the best list though, that's partially what this whole thing is about, I'm just not a fan. :P
PNL sucked for the first 2 seasons Nige, we get unlucky in matches and with injuries regardless :(. We are like Richmond, will never live up to their potential :P.
Maybe somebody has to try and do AFL to WXVs comparison. :o
No, I'm not offering. :P
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 04:10:26 PM
I think the idea of 'high quality depth' is what irks people. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of it.
You've got arguably the best team in the competition and few injuries and whatnot would obviously bring you back to the pack which you've acknowledged. Happened to PNL in 2013 and we saw how good they can be with a bit of luck, similar situation at Cairo as well.
There's nothing wrong with trying to get the best list though, that's partially what this whole thing is about, I'm just not a fan. :P
The thing is unlike any other team im not allowed to build up this quality depth despite offering fair deals. So if i build up my XV people have issue with it, I build up my next best 5 people have issue with it. Its essentially a ban on trading.
can i ask why these were allowed?
Trade 62
Mexico City give: Brad Ebert, Tim Membrey + Picks 19, 26
Mexico City receive: Bryce Gibbs, Sam Gilbert, Liam McBean
Trade 54
Mexico City Suns give: Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich
Buenos Aires Dildos give: Brent Harvey + James Kelly + Pick 18the last one in particular. Suns were allowed to get quality depth from Dillos and if they get injuries are in better shape than Dublin.
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 04:10:26 PM
I think the idea of 'high quality depth' is what irks people. Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of it.
You've got arguably the best team in the competition and few injuries and whatnot would obviously bring you back to the pack which you've acknowledged. Happened to PNL in 2013 and we saw how good they can be with a bit of luck, similar situation at Cairo as well.
There's nothing wrong with trying to get the best list though, that's partially what this whole thing is about, I'm just not a fan. :P
The thing is unlike any other team im not allowed to build up this quality depth despite offering fair deals. So if i build up my XV people have issue with it, I build up my next best 5 people have issue with it. Its essentially a ban on trading.
can i ask why these were allowed?
Trade 62
Mexico City give: Brad Ebert, Tim Membrey + Picks 19, 26
Mexico City receive: Bryce Gibbs, Sam Gilbert, Liam McBean
Trade 54
Mexico City Suns give: Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich
Buenos Aires Dildos give: Brent Harvey + James Kelly + Pick 18
the last one in particular. Suns were allowed to get quality depth from Dillos and if they get injuries are in better shape than Dublin.
It is a bit of a double standard it seems but I think people see Dublin as more of a threat/good team than Mex City? Mayeb they'd rather two really good teams on the same level so are allowing them to improve?
I can't say for sure though as I haven't been voting :P
Quote from: Ricochet on October 17, 2014, 11:10:55 AM
At what point will Holz(or whoever the best team is) be alllowed to improve their starting XVs? Eventually Holz will run out of trade ammo and severely deplete his depth, which will only hurt him next year.
Like does he have to wait until other teams are better than him before he can trade to improve his best XVs?
Asking this again. Need to know because one day NDT will be in this position ;)
I'd take Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich over Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Quote from: Master Q on October 17, 2014, 05:07:58 PM
I'd take Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich over Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Yeah I was actually giving up quality kids (well not Terlich :P).
Apart from the picks Holz offered the other guys have little value.
Quote from: Master Q on October 17, 2014, 05:07:58 PM
I'd take Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich over Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Acres was pick 18 last year, hasnt showed more than we expected from him and picked up injuries
Hill i picked up with pick 31 a few years back
If you draft properly than 12 + 21 should get better players than these guys. So 12 + 21 better than Hill Acres . than the bundle of players easily beats just terlich.
Wait so Holz is pretty much banned from trading? Not being allowed to improve his XV is the same as not being allowed to trade, you don't trade to weaken your team.
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 05:21:52 PM
Wait so Holz is pretty much banned from trading? Not being allowed to improve his XV is the same as not being allowed to trade, you don't trade to weaken your team.
There's no official ban but his trades keep getting blocked by the coaches...
It's not his fault he is a much better trader than everyone else in this comp. People can't be blocking trades out of fear, that's not right.
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: Master Q on October 17, 2014, 05:07:58 PM
I'd take Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich over Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Acres was pick 18 last year, hasnt showed more than we expected from him and picked up injuries
Hill i picked up with pick 31 a few years back
If you draft properly than 12 + 21 should get better players than these guys. So 12 + 21 better than Hill Acres . than the bundle of players easily beats just terlich.
Acres is a freak. Or will be a freak. Played 3 games including a 91.
Can't believe you just judged a player by where they were drafted. Hill is a 75 avg forward in a good team who has only played 3 seasons.
Terlich is a solid D4/depth back. No world beater but easily worth some of the duds you listed.
I didn't block your trade btw Holz. We didn't block any trades this week.
Quote from: Master Q on October 17, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: Master Q on October 17, 2014, 05:07:58 PM
I'd take Brad Hill + Blake Acres + Dean Terlich over Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Acres was pick 18 last year, hasnt showed more than we expected from him and picked up injuries
Hill i picked up with pick 31 a few years back
If you draft properly than 12 + 21 should get better players than these guys. So 12 + 21 better than Hill Acres . than the bundle of players easily beats just terlich.
Acres is a freak. Or will be a freak. Played 3 games including a 91.
Can't believe you just judged a player by where they were drafted. Hill is a 75 avg forward in a good team who has only played 3 seasons.
Terlich is a solid D4/depth back. No world beater but easily worth some of the duds you listed.
I didn't block your trade btw Holz. We didn't block any trades this week.
I do especially for acres as people seem to massively underrate picks, even after Acres was taken at pick 18 last year. If you know what your doing the picks are good. A good coach should be able to find someone better than acres with 12. Hill i knew would be good and picked him at 31. You can find players like this in the draft.
Quote from: Jayman on October 17, 2014, 05:33:36 PM
It's not his fault he is a much better trader than everyone else in this comp. People can't be blocking trades out of fear, that's not right.
Yep. Like the Dillos, we got older guys that a majority of the teams don't want as they have an idea of going super young and don't want veterans to compete. Holz is one of the only ones that want them and he isn't allowed to get them because he becomes too strong?
This equalization thing is getting outta control imo.
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 05:40:49 PM
This equalization thing is getting outta control imo.
All this has nothing to do with equalisation.
Fairly sure it was established a while ago that most coaches don't really give a shower about equalisation.
Then what does negging trades because Dublin is getting too strong mean?
Who is negging them then because it seems like everyone here is saying Holz's trades should be fine?
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:12:07 PM
Then what does negging trades because Dublin is getting too strong mean?
I think the major difference is that it seems to me that JROO, while improving the Mexico XV has gone about his business a lot more quietly and isn't really recruiting names rated as highly as the guys Holz has (or that we've seen).
They've both done okay this off-season, but then I think the fact that Holz is a lot more open and vocal about it doesn't help his cause.
This is another one of those situations where I'm struggling to articulate my thoughts on the situation. :P My two cents anyway.
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:12:07 PM
Then what does negging trades because Dublin is getting too strong mean?
I think the major difference is that it seems to me that JROO, while improving the Mexico XV has gone about his business a lot more quietly and isn't really recruiting names rated as highly as the guys Holz has (or that we've seen).
They've both done okay this off-season, but then I think the fact that Holz is a lot more open and vocal about it doesn't help his cause.
This is another one of those situations where I'm struggling to articulate my thoughts on the situation. :P My two cents anyway.
translation
people like Jroo
people dont like Holz
;P
They can be negged because Holz is giving away too much which is probably the case this week whereas in some cases can be argued not giving enough and wins the trade too much. Just differing coaches opinions coaches who have thought previous trades fair now think that Holz is offering too much and vice versa with coaches thinking Holz not giving enough now think this one fair.
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:12:07 PM
Then what does negging trades because Dublin is getting too strong mean?
I think the major difference is that it seems to me that JROO, while improving the Mexico XV has gone about his business a lot more quietly and isn't really recruiting names rated as highly as the guys Holz has (or that we've seen).
They've both done okay this off-season, but then I think the fact that Holz is a lot more open and vocal about it doesn't help his cause.
This is another one of those situations where I'm struggling to articulate my thoughts on the situation. :P My two cents anyway.
That should be completely irrelevant through when judging a trade. You can't neg Holz's trades cause it's Holz. That's pathetic.
Good question JB. The guys that are negging can't seem to come on and put up a case. :P
Quote from: Ringo on October 17, 2014, 06:29:50 PM
They can be negged because Holz is giving away too much which is probably the case this week whereas in some cases can be argued not giving enough and wins the trade too much. Just differing coaches opinions coaches who have thought previous trades fair now think that Holz is offering too much and vice versa with coaches thinking Holz not giving enough now think this one fair.
yeah this wek is fair and myself i know im losing alot but thats kind of what i need to do. even than i get 1-2 votes saying im improving the squad too much.
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:12:07 PM
Then what does negging trades because Dublin is getting too strong mean?
I think the major difference is that it seems to me that JROO, while improving the Mexico XV has gone about his business a lot more quietly and isn't really recruiting names rated as highly as the guys Holz has (or that we've seen).
They've both done okay this off-season, but then I think the fact that Holz is a lot more open and vocal about it doesn't help his cause.
This is another one of those situations where I'm struggling to articulate my thoughts on the situation. :P My two cents anyway.
translation
people like Jroo
people dont like Holz
;P
Haha yeah I reckon that's it :P
Nah, idk teams are probably just scared of Dublin a lot more than Mexico.
I think what Ringo said is kinda what I've been trying to say.
With the exception of that Deledio deal with Wellington, I don't think any other Mexico trade has been contentious.
One reason I can think of for the Holz being Holz thing is probably because of his ego.
Yeah Ringo, that's reason this week which is fair enough. They just gotta adjust the trade and go back like they did and it should pass but I'm saying those two coaches that said "Dublin are getting too strong." That's a problem I reckon.
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:33:19 PM
One reason I can think of for the Holz being Holz thing is probably because of his ego.
Lol what?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 17, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:33:19 PM
One reason I can think of for the Holz being Holz thing is probably because of his ego.
Lol what?
or lack there of it.
am I right people?
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
translation
people like Jroo
people dont like Holz
;P
False, I dislike everybody equally :).
I've always said the trade voting is biased as it depends hugely on how people RATE players personally, as doubt people will look at things objectively, especially on youngsters. Some people may rate one player but others may not (e.g. Malceski for example due to age/inconsistency/injury past vs scoring potential/defender/stats this year) so somehow need to be a bit more objective which is likely impossible.
I still think we should go with the option of Holz coaching every team and having his own way. That way there's nothing to worry about. :P No other coaches to neg his trades, nobody to stop him from recruiting (insert name here) and he can still build the mega list. :o
Quote from: Ricochet on October 17, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:33:19 PM
One reason I can think of for the Holz being Holz thing is probably because of his ego.
Lol what?
Eh, Holz and I have had this chat.
Basically the fact that he's very open about how he feels and his plans and all that and isn't afraid to banter and stuff like that it sometimes across the wrong way. :P
Another interesting day in the WXV Dublin Talk thread.
ohh wait did i get that right
Battersby delisted :o
I don't get it, the aim is to build the ultimate team not be mildly competitive. You play to win.
Banter is good, we just got many who get butthurt and can't take a hit. :P
Again, no reason to neg a trade, that's stupid.
Quote from: Holz on October 17, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Another interesting day in the WXV Dublin Talk thread.
ohh wait did i get that right
Almost, it's the 'Dublin Trade Talk' thread. Ric should change the name of the OP. :P
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:40:38 PM
I don't get it, the aim is to build the ultimate team not be mildly competitive. You play to win.
Banter is good, we just got many who get butthurt and can't take a hit. :P
Again, no reason to neg a trade, that's stupid.
Again, Oss likes it democratic but I reckon it should be more of a dictatorship. If he likes the trades, it goes through. It he doesn't, it gets negged. If the decision Oss makes isn't popular, it goes to vote by either a committee or the coaches. Similar to how BXVs does it.
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
I still think we should go with the option of Holz coaching every team and having his own way. That way there's nothing to worry about. :P No other coaches to neg his trades, nobody to stop him from recruiting (insert name here) and he can still build the mega list. :o
Quote from: Ricochet on October 17, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:33:19 PM
One reason I can think of for the Holz being Holz thing is probably because of his ego.
Lol what?
Eh, Holz and I have had this chat.
Basically the fact that he's very open about how he feels and his plans and all that and isn't afraid to banter and stuff like that it sometimes across the wrong way. :P
Thats got nothing to do with someones ego. That came across as having a fairly big slap at him mate and tbh its getting pretty boring that everyone is having a go at him when he's just doing what everyone else is trying to do... he's just better at it.
All you got to do is beat Holz and he quietens down or tries to belittle your accomplishment. Once you do it though, can hold it over him which eats away with him until he is forced to leave his team to restart again >:D. Holz is a good guy as I talk to him a bit, just like holding the Euro GF loss over him for fun.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 17, 2014, 06:46:23 PM
Thats got nothing to do with someones ego. That came across as having a fairly big slap at him mate and tbh its getting pretty boring that everyone is having a go at him when he's just doing what everyone else is trying to do... he's just better at it.
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
This is another one of those situations where I'm struggling to articulate my thoughts on the situation.
Quote from: Nige on October 17, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
Holz and I have had this chat.
Better stop talking. :P
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 17, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
All you got to do is beat Holz and he quietens down or tries to belittle your accomplishment. Once you do it though, can hold it over him which eats away with him until he is forced to leave his team to restart again >:D. Holz is a good guy as I talk to him a bit, just like holding the Euro GF loss over him for fun.
happy to take on any challengers for the World Crown. HP is right all you need to do is beat me and ill be quiet. Good luck everyone
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 17, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
All you got to do is beat Holz and he quietens down or tries to belittle your accomplishment. Once you do it though, can hold it over him which eats away with him until he is forced to leave his team to restart again >:D. Holz is a good guy as I talk to him a bit, just like holding the Euro GF loss over him for fun.
#finalsfuncup :P ;)
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 17, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
All you got to do is beat Holz and he quietens down or tries to belittle your accomplishment. Once you do it though, can hold it over him which eats away with him until he is forced to leave his team to restart again >:D. Holz is a good guy as I talk to him a bit, just like holding the Euro GF loss over him for fun.
#finalsfuncup :P ;)
Ofc you'd say that Mini Holz :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 17, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 17, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
All you got to do is beat Holz and he quietens down or tries to belittle your accomplishment. Once you do it though, can hold it over him which eats away with him until he is forced to leave his team to restart again >:D. Holz is a good guy as I talk to him a bit, just like holding the Euro GF loss over him for fun.
#finalsfuncup :P ;)
Ofc you'd say that Mini Holz :P.
back of Mike, HP
Ouch. :P
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 17, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 17, 2014, 06:48:16 PM
All you got to do is beat Holz and he quietens down or tries to belittle your accomplishment. Once you do it though, can hold it over him which eats away with him until he is forced to leave his team to restart again >:D. Holz is a good guy as I talk to him a bit, just like holding the Euro GF loss over him for fun.
#finalsfuncup :P ;)
Ofc you'd say that Mini Holz :P.
I can see you as a Harvey but Vinny is more like Rachel than Mike :P.
Nige don't quote cause you are mad you are an inferior coach. :P
HP, I'll fight you.
Rachel is hot though.
Bring it on Rachel ;).
But I reckon we've strayed off topic a bit too far so may have to stop it now :-X.
Yes sir. :(
Quote from: Vinny on October 17, 2014, 07:11:28 PM
Nige don't quote cause you are mad you are an inferior coach. :P
Mad? ???
I've said time and time again Holz is a better XVs coach.
Don't you have some homework to do Vin?
You sound pretty mad haha, I was kidding, settle. :P
This is quite poor arguing. Holz is getting blasted cause he's 'too good'. Oh might as well pack it up and quit if he isn't be able to make trades because most teams go young and if majority of the teams go young, that just opens up a few clubs to dominate the competition.
We have neg'd several of holz's deals, but not for a second was it because it makes him stronger
To be honest, I don't even think about what makes what more stronger, I just look that the deal is fair for both involved
Every time we have neg'd holz, its because we feel he is having to give up too much, which in turn means the other team is getting a deal too good to pass
Holz should be allowed to trade like the rest of us, not have to pay overs and if anyone is negging his trades because it will make him stronger then that's extremely poor
(http://cdn5.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-meme/jackson-im-just-here-to-read-the-comments-02.jpg)
Seems as though I have some catching up to do :P
You know you've got a big ego when you think that you are the reason why your trades don't pass.
Quote from: Master Q on October 18, 2014, 02:22:40 AM
You know you've got a big ego when you think that you are the reason why your trades don't pass.
It's 100% true though.
Seoul are doing some spring cleaning if you want any of these players we want draft picks
Hunt Taylor
Macaffer Brent
Lucas Kane
Hocking Heath
Wanganeen Derick
Maister Beau
Anthony Liam
Weller Maverick
Keeffe Lachlan
Darley Sam
Ballard Jacob
Bates Zachary
Barry Dominic
McIntosh Kamdyn
Roberts Fletcher
Quote from: JROO8 on October 18, 2014, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 18, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
Mexico City Suns gives NAT 86
Magpies give Kamdyn McIntosh
jroo to confirm
just getting picks
Yep confirmed. #86 isn't worth a lot, so happy to take a punt on Grant Birchall 2.0 ;)
Dang I was too late, amazing pick up.
Moved very fast on that one, would have upped the pick myself. But too slow on my behalf
If anyone wants Matthew Boyd, PM me. He will be traded by tomorrow night.
100 average midfielder and will have to step up even more in the absence of Cooney and Griffen. Won't get tagged ahead of Libba and Macrae so we expect him to do very well.
Any position is fine, not interested in draft picks.
Dane Swan & Paul Chapman.
PM me!
for those looking for forwards we may move on 1 or 2 of the following
if the right deal comes along
Justin Westhoff
Tom T Lynch
Jonathan patton
Quote from: Holz on October 18, 2014, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on October 18, 2014, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 18, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
Mexico City Suns gives NAT 86
Magpies give Kamdyn McIntosh
jroo to confirm
just getting picks
Yep confirmed. #86 isn't worth a lot, so happy to take a punt on Grant Birchall 2.0 ;)
Dang I was too late, amazing pick up.
Moved very fast on that one, would have upped the pick myself. But too slow on my behalf
Would've been blocked if it was you anyway :P
Weller deal about to be done i think i doubt anyone would of beaten this deal by much
a pick late in the 20's and a 3rd round upgrade
what the flower meow?
:-X
thats flowering bullshower mate. last thing you said "I'll give you the chance to try to come up with something and get Adams".
and then you trade him without the courtesy to tell us
poor form mate
Not the ideal starting impression from Meow :-\
We had the same thing happen to us just the other day :(
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 19, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
thats flowering bullshower mate. last thing you said "I'll give you the chance to try to come up with something and get Adams".
and then you trade him without the courtesy to tell us
poor form mate
It's not like I traded him 10 minutes after I said this.
After the initial trade involving Adams failed, did I give NDT first crack at trying to work out a new trade for him? Yes
Did we engage in negotiations for him, but no agreement had been reached, just the same as any trade negotiations? Yes
Had we agreed on a new trade? No
Was I obligated to trade him to you? No
Should I have told you that I was going to accept a new trade? Probably, but I figured you'd find out anyway. It wouldn't have changed the end result though.
Quote from: Toga on October 19, 2014, 10:56:05 AM
We had the same thing happen to us just the other day :(
This makes it sound like it was me that did it to you. It wasn't.
I have never backed out of a trade that I have agreed to. Unless I have agreed to a trade, every player can be traded at any time. If someone comes along with a deal that I like then I will take it. You snooze you lose.
Wtf cow
It's just poor form mate when between us we work out what is needed to get the job done and then I'm out for the day, come back on and he's gone without anything letting us know.
We only ask to be kept in the loop with negotiations
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
Short answer: no.
Trust me, we've tried.
Shouldnt have traded esky for chips :P
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
I could give you back James Kelly or Sam Gilbert :P
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 19, 2014, 12:32:00 PM
Shouldnt have traded esky for chips :P
Eh, it'll work out. :P
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
Dunno if you would call them good defenders but Fisher, Grundy and Firrito are tradeable.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 19, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
Dunno if you would call them good defenders but Fisher, Grundy and Firrito are tradeable.
This is why I said no a couple of posts above. :P
Quote from: Nige on October 19, 2014, 12:34:47 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 19, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
Dunno if you would call them good defenders but Fisher, Grundy and Firrito are tradeable.
This is why I said no a couple of posts above. :P
You never know some peoples interpretations, Fisher did average 92 last season ;)
Scharenberg McDonald and maybe Hansen or Murphy up for trade if it improves my squad. Rate all four
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 19, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 19, 2014, 12:34:47 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 19, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
Dunno if you would call them good defenders but Fisher, Grundy and Firrito are tradeable.
This is why I said no a couple of posts above. :P
You never know some peoples interpretations, Fisher did average 92 last season ;)
General Worlds (and XVs) mindset is that good = not old and injury prone/riddled as far as I know. ;)
Fisher is a gun but he is like 85 years old.
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
Fisher is a gun but he is like 85 years old.
Nailed it haha
Very surprised you trade Smith, Meow. Even though you almost definitely have a reason for doing it.
yeah good get by Pacific i think it's even just think it's a good get
Its an even trade but I wouldn't have traded Smith, I'm sure Meow got his reasons.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 19, 2014, 02:24:38 PM
Its an even trade but I wouldn't have traded Smith, I'm sure Meow got his reasons.
^^^
perfectly fine deal
but think meow lost
(as in enough to let it pass but would much rater smith then elliot)
I wouldn't trade Smith either but now watch Smith average 45 and Elliot 150 next season.
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
I wouldn't trade Smith either but now watch Smith average 45 and Elliot 150 next season.
definitely high^
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 19, 2014, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
I wouldn't trade Smith either but now watch Smith average 45 and Elliot 150 next season.
definitely high^
It's meow it will probably happen.
Quote from: Holz on October 19, 2014, 02:44:34 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 19, 2014, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
I wouldn't trade Smith either but now watch Smith average 45 and Elliot 150 next season.
definitely high^
It's meow it will probably happen.
was talking to vinny ongoing joke between him and i
I swear meow just knows things that we don't.
Meow! Definitely not directed at you when I said that before, you have been a champ to negotiate with so far for us! :)
Quote from: Nige on October 19, 2014, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 19, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Anyone got any good defenders up for trade?
Short answer: no.
Trust me, we've tried.
All mine barring R.Shaw (including Michael Johnson ;)) are up for trade.
We've got talented young defenders up for sale, but we do rate them pretty highly (just ask anybody who has traded with us)
Hombsch, May, Docherty (gun), Vlastuin (gun), McDonald (gun)...
Sorry for not replying to a lot of people am a little busy atm. Only interested in 80+ average young defenders or 90+ older ones. Picks all on the table as well as Trent West, Seb Ross, Jesse Lonergan and almost anyone if the offer is right.
so regarding a few players people have showed interest in i will put up what we want for them
Weller a pick in earlyish 30'sish
Darley a pick in the 40's
Barry a pick in the 40's
T Hunt a pick in the 40's
Keeffe a pick in the 30's
Guys Swanny is being sold tomorrow night, PM me with your final offers. :)
Toby flowering Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeseeeeeeeeeeeeene
So happy
Eases the pain of not coaching Miles anymore
:') I'm so flowering happy
That was the hardest part about leaving Tokyo was leaving Miles :(
Still hurts
Mitch Clark seems to be on the move soon, may want to get in while you can.
Does anyone have any depth forwards they are willing to trade?
If so, please PM me with who, and what you need in return
9 votes in already!
We could potentially trade any of these players, for a good forward in return
Will Hoskin-Elliott
Sam Fisher
Koby Stevens (Should improve a lot now with Griffen and Cooney gone)
Nick Kommer
Matt Rosa
Matthew Stokes
Sharrod Wellingham
Daniel Menzel
Heath Grundy
Michael Firrito
Been away (well sick as a dog) the last few days so sorry if I haven't gotten back to your PMs - going through them now.
We still potentially have Jack Darling on the table for those of you looking for a good forward who could be leaving very soon. Looking for a good defender in return.
Also - wow lots of trades dropping.
Some really big moves - good to see!
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 21, 2014, 01:55:01 PM
Also - wow lots of trades dropping.
Some really big moves - good to see!
NDT just getting it done! :D
Just finished a review of the Royals Team and with Jarrad McVeigh maybe losing DPP would like to place him on the trade table.
Would require a strong starting mid to replace him so PM me with any offers.
Just a heads up, Swanny is being sold at about 9.30pm (VIC) tonight, anyone who wants to put in a final offer should do so now.
Quote from: Vinny on October 21, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
Just a heads up, Swanny is being sold at about 9.30pm (VIC) tonight, anyone who wants to put in a final offer should do so now.
I'd offer pick 89 but would be negged for ripping me off
Looks like we could be trading Will Hoskin-Elliott, so if you are interested, send your best offers to me
Also, we might be interested in trading Libba. Yes that's right :o
Would need a similar scoring mid in return so again, shoot me your offers
WHE and Libba, get your offers in!
Need a forward or very good pick for WHE, and a gun mid for Libba
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 21, 2014, 09:37:09 PM
Looks like we could be trading Will Hoskin-Elliott, so if you are interested, send your best offers to me
Also, we might be interested in trading Libba. Yes that's right :o
Would need a similar scoring mid in return so again, shoot me your offers
WHE and Libba, get your offers in!
Need a forward or very good pick for WHE, and a gun mid for Libba
Isn't Libba a gun mid? :P
The following players are available for trade. Looking for an 80+ average fwd 27yo or younger.
D: X. Ellis, B. Whitecross
M: S. Hill, I. Smith, B. Vince, J. Polec, J. O'Rourke, P. Cripps, T.Mzungu
R:
F: L. Taylor, J. Crisp, M. Paparone, S. Kersten, J. Neade, M.Wright
Nat 10, 24 and 25.
Obviously there are others that are available but these are the ones with the most value that aren't untouchable.
respond to PMs Levis. sent a few offers at you
Swan won't even start for the Destroyers next year, lol
Quote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
Swan won't even start for the Destroyers next year, lol
neither would Schaz
Quote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
Swan won't even start for the Destroyers next year, lol
Surely he starts over someone like Hansen (if NDS gets DPP:).
Does Swan get DPP, too?
I think it's a good trade for Buenos and a stupid trade by Holz. He's already got a good enough team to win the flag, why not try to plan a little for the future and avoid going the way of the Armadillos?
Quote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
I think it's a good trade for Buenos and a stupid trade by Holz. He's already got a good enough team to win the flag, why not try to plan a little for the future and avoid going the way of the Armadillos?
the issue with my squad is depth. I actually have only 6 mids so if one gets injured than im forced to play a 75 average player and that could stop me winning.
felt I have made sure I have kept a good core of youth. Removing Murphy, Watson, Swan, Mundy, NDS, Roughead from my squad im still left with
Birchall Rance Hansen T.Mcdonald
Selwood Rocky Sloane Boston
Goldy
Franklin D.Martin Walters J.Green
???? ?????
probably not a contender but could push for top 4 in 3-4 years.
Just the 2 coaches to go (Hellopplz, Nails)
A lot of interest for Hoskin Elliott and Libba
Keep the offers coming :)
Quote from: Holz on October 21, 2014, 09:58:22 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 21, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on October 21, 2014, 09:56:29 PM
Swan won't even start for the Destroyers next year, lol
neither would Schaz
he would over the next 10+ years
If Swan goes back to averaging 110 + he will definitely be a starter. The five seasons before this one he averaged 117+ (120+ in four of them).
I think he will do it as well, especially with Beams gone but at most has 2 seasons left imo so that's why we didn't make an offer.
Looking for defenders and/or midfielders for Chappy or Petrie.
Pick 7 also on the table, could package with those guys above too if people are interested.
McGlynn still for sale
either after a defender, forward or a mid with potential around the same age as Danger, Ellis, Whitfield, Kelly, Coniglio, Swallow etc
or a round 1 pick
Quote from: ossie85 on October 22, 2014, 09:59:22 AM
Just the 2 coaches to go (Hellopplz, Nails)
Have they voted yet? ???
Voting now :). Haven't been on FF much since week 12 had quite a bit of assessments due for me so I was out half the time or trying to get through them for past week and a bit :P.
also willing to hold talks in regards to Mitch Hallahan
but be warned we rate him highly
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 25, 2014, 06:23:28 PM
also willing to hold talks in regards to Mitch Hallahan
but be warned we rate him highly
of course haha
if we are still waiting for nails to vote should we get Vin to instead?
its better than dragging it out and giving the dillos a warning
Quote from: elephants on October 25, 2014, 06:24:41 PM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 25, 2014, 06:23:28 PM
also willing to hold talks in regards to Mitch Hallahan
but be warned we rate him highly
of course haha
hell we rate the whole list highly :P
Quote from: Holz on October 25, 2014, 07:08:34 PM
if we are still waiting for nails to vote should we get Vin to instead?
its better than dragging it out and giving the dillos a warning
Im one of Nails' assistants as well, I can vote if youre sick of waiting
Nails was online earlier but probs not for long or cbf. :P
I'm happy to do it.
Go :P
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 26, 2014, 01:08:23 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 26, 2014, 12:43:17 AM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 25, 2014, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 25, 2014, 06:24:41 PM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 25, 2014, 06:23:28 PM
also willing to hold talks in regards to Mitch Hallahan
but be warned we rate him highly
of course haha
hell we rate the whole list highly :P
Really? :P
I'd offer Hallahan for Libba, but reckon we'd be losing it :(.
LOLOL love it HP
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
jbs will have to confirm but
for us Whitfield suits the age of most of our team better then Ebert
Danger, Greene, Ellis, Swallow, Kelly, Cannon, Matera, Boyd, Ceglar, Lloyd, Salem etc
throw Whitfield in and the future is looking pretty good for us
and i think Whitfield could average pretty close to Ebert next year
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
No, you're not the boss m8.
After some thinking I've decided to put forward my own reasons for the trade.
Curren for Templeton.
Preee straight fwd for us, long term we feel that TC will be a better fantasy prospect than ET. Nothing more really to it haha
I'll reiterate by saying that was all my idea and nobody told me to do anything :P
Quote from: elephants on October 26, 2014, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
No, you're not the boss m8.
Be that way, see if I care. ;)
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 26, 2014, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
No, you're not the boss m8.
Be that way, see if I care. ;)
Be that way, see if I neg all Cairo trades ;)
If Hrovat plays in the guts he has the same scoring potential as Whitfield. If he doesn't play there he will score less than LW but get forward status, which is what I am hoping is the case.
Pick 22 for last years pick 15 who is unproven at AFL level isn't far off the mark. I think this years draft crop is better.
Pick 36 for a 28 year old defender who can score well but has missed 29 games in 2 seasons is a risk I am willing to take. If he can get his body right he will be a decent D4 for a couple of seasons. Gilbert might be a flop, but so might pick 36.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 26, 2014, 01:48:02 PM
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Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
No, you're not the boss m8.
Be that way, see if I care. ;)
Be that way, see if I neg all Cairo trades ;)
Didn't say I was negging anything? :o
I'm sure Oss would approve of that reasoning though if you chose to do it. :P
Oss doing a great job keeping us in suspense :3
I sent Os my votes last night in case he wants to use them because I don't think Nails will show. :P
Quote from: Vinny on October 26, 2014, 05:34:14 PM
I sent Os my votes last night in case he wants to use them because I don't think Nails will show. :P
I figured you did, which is why I quoted Jukes haha.
Os pls.
take your time ossie ;D
KB your fired :P
#winning
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
Which part of the trade is the issue/needs reasoning?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 26, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
Which part of the trade is the issue/needs reasoning?
Four teams involved but only JROO gave a reason as to why the trade was being made/he was doing it and others just confirmed. I was interested to know why other the teams gave up/received who they did.
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 26, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
Which part of the trade is the issue/needs reasoning?
Four teams involved but only JROO gave a reason as to why the trade was being made/he was doing it and others just confirmed. I was interested to know why other the teams gave up/received who they did.
Ah ok, sounded like there was an ify part
Quote from: Ricochet on October 26, 2014, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 26, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 26, 2014, 01:06:04 PM
Can we get some reasons from the other three teams in that four way trade?
Which part of the trade is the issue/needs reasoning?
Four teams involved but only JROO gave a reason as to why the trade was being made/he was doing it and others just confirmed. I was interested to know why other the teams gave up/received who they did.
Ah ok, sounded like there was an ify part
Nah. It's just that I thought there would be more than just JROO's reasons/needs as to why the trade happened.
I like hearing reasons for trades, may also sway voters into passing it in case they were iffy on it.
And I'm in no rush for it, I'm sure Oss is a busy many himself :P.
Brad Ebert's off-season:
Mexico City --> Seoul --> Mexico City
Sorry guys, been travelling since Thursday, just got back last night.
Will update as soon as I can (hopefully full details today, but no promises)
Will say that all trades pass* except trade 87.... trade 75 I don't like at all and very close to negging it, but fine.
* assuming no issues with cap, etc.
nfi which one is 87 :-[ :-X
Here you are KB
Trade 87
Moscow Give: Ryan Griffen
Toronto Give: Levi Greenwood + Nat Pick 14 + Nat Pick 32
thanks Ringo was worried it was the Greene one ;D
Don't see how people think that's TOO one sided either way.
Conigs! ;D
75 goes through, Holz must be feeling like the cat that got the cream.
Quote from: Nige on October 27, 2014, 12:38:18 PM
75 goes through, Holz must be feeling like the cat that got the cream.
A DUBLIN TRADE GOES THROUGH, A DUBLIN TRADE GOES THROUGH!!!!
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Memphis voted in with 16 votes, and 2 coaches who forgot to vote. Show of confidence! Welcome Memph
Trade 74
Christchurch trade: Jay Kennedy-Harris
Berlin trade: Clay Cameron
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: Purps just can't help himself
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 75
Christchurch trade: Jarryd Roughead, Rory Sloane, picks 37 and 43
Dublin trade: Dayne Zorko, Travis Boak, picks 12 and 21
Votes against: 4
Coach comments: 1 believes Christchuch winning by too much, others believe Dublin winning by too much, and some believing it will hurt the competition.
Admin comments: While I'm willing to call this trade fair for both parties, I really believe that this hurts the competition. Unfortunately, I seem to be in the minority, and honestly, don't want to deal with the private messages and 4 pages of complaining if it is rejected. So unwilling to overturn the decisions of the coaches.
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 76
New York trade: Pick 30
Christchurch trade: Luke Lowden
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Think pick 30 is too high a price
Admin comments: Rucks are at a premium, no real issue here
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 77
Cairo trade: Pick 85
Christchurch trade: Tom Downie
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 78
Cairo give: Jon Giles + Pick 60
London give: Andrew Mackie + 65
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final verdict:
Trade 79
Mexico City give: Mark Baguley, Matt Shaw + Pick 40
London give: Matthew Broadbent + Pick 83
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believe London giving up too much for not much return
Admin comments: Seems fine
Final verdict:
Trade 80
Mexico City Suns gives NAT 86
Magpies give Kamdyn McIntosh
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 81
Christchurch trade: Taylor Adams (sorry NDT), Dale Morris and pick 7
Dildos trade: Matthew Boyd, picks 8 and 26
Votes against: 3
Coach comments: Feel Boyd and 26 isn't enough for Adams, and that Morris' worth is limited
Admin comments: Risky trade that seems to benefit both teams. Boyd only a couple of years left if that, but Adams is no guarantee to be a superstar.
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 82
Pacific trade: Jamie Elliot + NAT #27
Christchurch trade: Devon Smith
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: Surprised this didn't get any votes! I have a huge Devon crush.
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 83
Seoul give: Mark Lecras
London give: Brandon Matera + N29
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Believe Matera isn't anywhere near LeCras
Admin comments: Seems fine
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 84
Beijing give: NAT 41 + Jason Ashby
Seoul give: Maverick Weller + NAT 82
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: Hmmm...
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 85
Pacific give: Lindsay Thomas
Mexico City give: Jed Lamb
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Feel that Mexico City needs to add something to even out the trade
Admin comments: Agree with that coach comment
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 86
NDT give: Toby Greene
Seoul give: Stephen Coniglio + N29
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: I think Coniglio will eventually surpass bad boy Greene....
Final verdict: PASSED
Trade 87
Moscow Give: Ryan Griffen
Toronto Give: Levi Greenwood + Nat Pick 14 + Nat Pick 32
Votes against: 8
Coach comments: Feel that the difference between Griffen and Greenwood doesn't warrant the extra picks
Admin comments: Agree
Final verdict: REJECTED
Trade 84 - KB has a man-crush on Ashby which is why they got him :P.
Seoul could be very dangerous in the near future with their young guns...
Quote from: ossie85 on October 27, 2014, 01:19:33 PM
Trade 87
Moscow Give: Ryan Griffen
Toronto Give: Levi Greenwood + Nat Pick 14 + Nat Pick 32
Votes against: 8
Coach comments: Feel that the difference between Griffen and Greenwood doesn't warrant the extra picks
Admin comments: Agree
Final verdict: REJECTED
Wow, that is absolutely retarded. Greenwood averaged 94 in a career best season. Griff averaged 98 in his worst season for four years.
It's true that Griffen had a down year but a top 15 and a nice 30ish pick as well to make up the difference when Griffen is aging and moves to a team with a midfield stacked with young guns? Greenwood also moving to a situation where midfield is full of youth but can be said can make a bigger impact there than Griff at GWS.
That and reckon both those picks were overkill :P. But then again depends how people rate the draft... Take out one of the picks and would get it through I reckon.
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 27, 2014, 02:33:36 PM
It's true that Griffen had a down year but a top 15 and a nice 30ish pick as well to make up the difference when Griffen is aging and moves to a team with a midfield stacked with young guns? Greenwood also moving to a situation where midfield is full of youth but can be said can make a bigger impact there than Griff at GWS.
That and reckon both those picks were overkill :P. But then again depends how people rate the draft... Take out one of the picks and would get it through I reckon.
Get rid of 14 and chuck like a 4th or 5th rounder on Moscow's end. ;)
Well, 104 since round 7 :P
I rate Griffen over Green 'can't kick' wood and those picks. So that's quite funny.
I won't say anything, but I'm sure if you ALL THINK ABOUT IT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING
I can't be banned for that, right?
Greenwood is a guy who averaged 94 in his best season. Picks are gambles on young players who may or may not work out, with high chance of minimal reward in the short-term. That's one side of the trade.
The other side is a guy who averaged ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THREE POINTS PER GAME excluding his red-vested game in 2013, then was derailed a bit by back injuries but finished the year with a 6-game average of ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY, including a final round score of ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY NINE.
Oh, and there's also just a three year age difference.
Can I appeal the trade ruling?
Just saying, I can see why they aren't happy. Griffen was just as good as Ablett for a large chunk of 2013. He still an elite player whereas Greenwood has had one good season which wasn't even elite. Griffen is elite.
But can also see why it was negged, take out the other pick, with just Pick 14 it isn't bad enough and looks fine I reckon.
Griffen is a proven premium midfielder. Greenwood has not shown premium output for a midfielder. We passed the trade (and passed all trades this week)
The picks even the trade up IMO. dunno how it passes without Toronto giving up the picks.
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 27, 2014, 02:45:37 PM
Griffen is a proven premium midfielder. Greenwood has not shown premium output for a midfielder. We passed the trade (and passed all trades this week)
The picks even the trade up IMO. dunno how it passes without Toronto giving up the picks.
Quote from: Vinny on October 27, 2014, 02:43:53 PM
But can also see why it was negged, take out the other pick, with just Pick 14 it isn't bad enough and looks fine I reckon.
Nah, this one's got me absolutely perplexed.
You might think Moscow are winning a touch but not enough for it to get negged. When Oss first said that it was blocked I thought it would've been the other way around. Like what the hell do people expect to pick up with pick #32?
Last three pick 32's for WXV:
Riley Knight
Marco Paparone - note that this is after he was delisted by NY in an equally perplexing decision by then coach Pyro
Jordan Lockyer
Paparone the only one with real value right now. Too early to tell on Knight and Lockyer's been delisted. If 32 was the sole reason you blocked the trade and you believe that Griff for Greenwood + #14 is fair then we're on completely different wavelengths.
Really depends how you use the pick. Can easily say picks in the 40/50s are worth alot as well since Miles and Jaensch were picked up with some last season :-X.
You can find value at any point in the draft.
There's every chance that Pick 32 in this year's draft could be the best of the lot. ;)
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 27, 2014, 02:28:03 PM
Trade 84 - KB has a man-crush on Ashby which is why they got him :P.
nah only man crushes i have are for Rocky, Miles and Greene but i do rate Ashby
Looking for some draft picks in the top 40 range and have Lloyd Perris, Will Hams, Trent West, Nick O'brien, Daniel Flynn, Tim Golds, Alex Browne, Dylan Van Unen, Seb Ross, Jesse Lonergan, Broughton, Tayte Pears on offer. Still also looking for a premium defender and all those players + picks available.
Quote from: Hellopplz on October 27, 2014, 02:57:22 PM
Really depends how you use the pick. Can easily say picks in the 40/50s are worth alot as well since Miles and Jaensch were picked up with some last season :-X.
But it is no stretch of the imagination a guarantee. I mean, it's barely worth a thing, especially if the coach giving Greenwood believes that he can't use the picks.
Regardless though, I hardly think the trade is THAT unfair that it warrants negging, but that's all I'll say on that.
I think the thing is, everybody rates draft picks differently.
I'd rate Griff ahead of Greenwood and I didn't think it was a bad trade. But I can see why it was negged, averages were similar this year and Levi is a few years younger, when you look at it that way.
yeah some people value picks over like 40 to highly if they block a trade because a 40+ pick makes it uneven i never understand this they are worth hardly anything
This is bullshower, more reasoning to come.
Asians Explosion 2.0 pending... :o
It's nice to kick back and relax with my trade passing.
Good change.
Can watch the skirmish in peace.
Tbf, Asians trade was 1000x worse. :P
Asians was fine, until someone crossed the line with that PM.
who wants an eskimo pie i'm going to go get one weird craving for one now
Quote from: Vinny on October 27, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
Tbf, Asians trade was 1000x worse. :P
Haha yeah real shame, apart from the crossing of the line incident it was quality viewing :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 27, 2014, 04:19:44 PM
who wants an eskimo pie i'm going to go get one weird craving for one now
Better change that to inuit pie before you upset Noz. :P
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Quote from: Vinny on October 27, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
Tbf, Asians trade was 1000x worse. :P
Haha yeah real shame, apart from the crossing of the line incident it was quality viewing :P
Haha yep.
I shall once again quote.
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Quote from: Vinny on October 15, 2014, 10:31:07 PM
I live for the drama. :P
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Quote from: elephants on October 27, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 27, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
Tbf, Asians trade was 1000x worse. :P
Haha yeah real shame, apart from the crossing of the line incident it was quality viewing :P
Haha yep.
I shall once again quote.
Quote from: elephants on October 15, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 15, 2014, 10:31:07 PM
I live for the drama. :P
What Asians trade? :P Haha.
Haha are you serious? It's so hard to tell.
I love how tanking to get worse is punished by sacking but trying to get better through good trading is also punished. That's four trades of mine that have been rejected because I win it by "too much". How am I supposed to get better and become a premiership contender without good trading? I call shenanigans (again).
Quote from: Jukes on October 27, 2014, 04:48:53 PM
I love how tanking to get worse is punished by sacking but trying to get better through good trading is also punished. That's four trades of mine that have been rejected because I win it by "too much". How am I supposed to get better and become a premiership contender without good trading? I call shenanigans (again).
I think your losing it so your getting saved on this one.
I felt like I was paying a lot but I was happy to do so, as I feel you really need to give up plenty to get the big guns in this competition, and Griff definitely is a big gun.
I mentioned this in my trade reasoning initially.
I'd like to ask those 8 people who negged it, what would the deal take to get passed by you guys? I see the reasoning is the picks sway it my way, but I think removing 14 and 32 altogether and just making it a straight swap would be ripping Moscow off.
Would Nige's suggestion satisfy those negging the trade?
Quote from: Nige on October 27, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
Get rid of 14 and chuck like a 4th or 5th rounder on Moscow's end. ;)
Quote from: roo boys! on October 27, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
Would Nige's suggestion satisfy those negging the trade?
Quote from: Nige on October 27, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
Get rid of 14 and chuck like a 4th or 5th rounder on Moscow's end. ;)
I'd be surprised if anyone agrees with me. I seem to be the king of unpopular XVs opinions. :P
I reckon you just go:
Griffen
FOR
Greenwood + 14
Greenwood only had one good season which wasn't even elite.
Quote from: Vinny on October 27, 2014, 06:27:13 PM
I reckon you just go:
Griffen
FOR
Greenwood + 14
Greenwood only had one good season which wasn't even elite.
Yeah what I reckon would pass it as well if Griffen can get close to past form.
Ah flower, ignore that pm guys :P
You didnt get it?
"Reason: his beautifully delivered elbow to the head shows that he has good coordination for a big man."
Made me lol
Just curious, what happened to the period of time after a trade has been rejected that the two coaches involved have a chance to modify the trade? Seems to have gone right out the window...
Quote from: roo boys! on October 27, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
Just curious, what happened to the period of time after a trade has been rejected that the two coaches involved have a chance to modify the trade? Seems to have gone right out the window...
I think thats more a agreement to the two parties rather than a set rule. Happend a few times to me with the gibbs, jz deal and the bennell deal.
Haha both Meow and Holz shot out deals when the Griff deal got negged, :P
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 27, 2014, 10:33:46 PM
Haha both Meow and Holz shot out deals when the Griff deal got negged, :P
just to make sure, I passed the deal so nothing suss here.
Were we in negotiations for Griff when you chose RB's offer instead of mine? Yep!
Did my message include the part that says "If you can't reach a revised trade". Yep!
No underhanded tactics here.
Fair enough fellas and I'm not really criticising you two of trying to snipe Griffen...all 17 teams should have equal opportunity to submit offers for someone on the trade table.
Just couldn't remember whether it was a set rule or just an unspoken sense of decency.
I thought we had a 48hr rule for coaches to re-negotiate which is why I have not yet made a play for Griffen. Looks like I am wrong then.
Interested in getting a forward if anyone has one they would trade?
Either a starter, or a depth forward is fine too
Let me know who you have and what you want for them
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2014, 10:45:30 AM
Interested in getting a forward if anyone has one they would trade?
Either a starter, or a depth forward is fine too
Let me know who you have and what you want for them
Can help. 8)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2014, 10:45:30 AM
Interested in getting a forward if anyone has one they would trade?
Either a starter, or a depth forward is fine too
Let me know who you have and what you want for them
Forward to give: James flowering Podsiadly
Player required in return: Anyone lol
Quote from: Ricochet on October 28, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 28, 2014, 10:45:30 AM
Interested in getting a forward if anyone has one they would trade?
Either a starter, or a depth forward is fine too
Let me know who you have and what you want for them
Forward to give: Tory flowering Dickson
Player required in return: Anyone or anything lol
LOL Rico
I'll give you Pick 92 lol
Quote from: ossie85 on October 27, 2014, 01:19:33 PM
Memphis voted in with 16 votes, and 2 coaches who forgot to vote. Show of confidence! Welcome Memph
Hooray (again). Thanks everyone!
After being sick last weekend I've spent this weekend watching the Rolling Stones in Adelaide so if I haven't gotten back to your PM yet today I will do shortly.
Does anyone have a decent young midfielder on the table? Not a out and out gun as we don't have currency to pay for them. Hit me up!
I've had some interest in former pick #12 and best 22 at his new club - Kristian Jaksch, and the star of the VFL grand final James Sicily and I will probably be moving these guys on. If you're interested feel free to enquire about them.
Pick 8 is available to be traded for a decent mid, since (outside of 3 mid guns) the upcoming draft is more suited to forwards and backs. That's right, one of McCartin, Moore, Wright, Durdin, Leverde, Petracca, Heeney, Brayshaw would be yours. Or maybe you could go with a Lever, Lamb, Goddard, Weller, Duggan, Ahern or Pickett!
Jack Hannath free* to a good home.
*not free. will take a pick upgrade
NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Quote from: meow meow on October 29, 2014, 03:25:37 PM
Pick 8 7 is available to be traded for a decent mid OR RUCK, since (outside of 3 mid guns) the upcoming draft is more suited to forwards and backs. That's right, one of McCartin, Moore, Wright, Durdin, Leverde, Petracca, Heeney, Brayshaw would be yours. Or maybe you could go with a Lever, Lamb, Goddard, Weller, Duggan, Ahern or Pickett!
:P
Quote from: Nige on October 29, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
We got a bigger love-child so its s'all good ;)
Quote from: Nige on October 29, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
Quote from: Vinny on October 29, 2014, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: meow meow on October 29, 2014, 03:25:37 PM
Pick 8 7 is available to be traded for a decent mid OR RUCK, since (outside of 3 mid guns) the upcoming draft is more suited to forwards and backs. That's right, one of McCartin, Moore, Wright, Durdin, Leverde, Petracca, Heeney, Brayshaw would be yours. Or maybe you could go with a Lever, Lamb, Goddard, Weller, Duggan, Ahern or Pickett!
:P
You could have got Giles but you missed your chance. ;)
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
Haha, sounds like a little trouble in paradise. :P
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
Haha, sounds like a little trouble in paradise. :P
Well after someone applied for the Badgers BXV job... :p
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
Haha, sounds like a little trouble in paradise. :P
Well after someone applied for the Badgers BXV job... :p
Elechet is falling apart. :o :o :o
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
Haha, sounds like a little trouble in paradise. :P
Well after someone applied for the Badgers BXV job... :p
Elechet is falling apart. :o :o :o
I didn't like sharing with Spite :P
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
Haha, sounds like a little trouble in paradise. :P
Well after someone applied for the Badgers BXV job... :p
Elechet is falling apart. :o :o :o
I didn't like sharing with Spite :P
Aww. :(
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
Haha, sounds like a little trouble in paradise. :P
Well after someone applied for the Badgers BXV job... :p
Elechet is falling apart. :o :o :o
I didn't like sharing with Spite :P
Haha, the truth comes out!
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
I'll start digging your grave now :P
Really hoping he can do!
Sad to see Darling go though - I'm not sure if he'll ever get that midfield time it has been touted and so I think Savage and GHS could have more potential than him.
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NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
I'll start digging your grave now :P
Really hoping he can do!
Sad to see Darling go though - I'm not sure if he'll ever get that midfield time it has been touted and so I think Savage and GHS could have more potential than him.
From a WCE supporter and a SC perspective I hope he plays as a lead up fwd. Much better than blowing himself up in the midfield ;)
Quote from: elephants on October 30, 2014, 01:39:19 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 30, 2014, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 29, 2014, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2014, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 29, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
I'll start digging your grave now :P
Really hoping he can do!
Sad to see Darling go though - I'm not sure if he'll ever get that midfield time it has been touted and so I think Savage and GHS could have more potential than him.
From a WCE supporter and a SC perspective I hope he plays as a lead up fwd. Much better than blowing himself up in the midfield ;)
Same here but I think a lead-up forward without midfield time will mean he won't be as good a SC scorer as some others.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 30, 2014, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 30, 2014, 01:39:19 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on October 30, 2014, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: elephants on October 29, 2014, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 29, 2014, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 29, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
NDT just traded Savage? I don't believe it. :o :P
Probably the toughest decision of my life letting the Saviour go
If Savage averages 100 as a backman next season I'm flowering dead.
I'll start digging your grave now :P
Really hoping he can do!
Sad to see Darling go though - I'm not sure if he'll ever get that midfield time it has been touted and so I think Savage and GHS could have more potential than him.
From a WCE supporter and a SC perspective I hope he plays as a lead up fwd. Much better than blowing himself up in the midfield ;)
Same here but I think a lead-up forward without midfield time will mean he won't be as good a SC scorer as some others.
I am glad :P
NDT getting busy ;) 3 trades in the past couple of days
If anyone wants Taylor Adams, PM me with your offers.
Quote from: Vinny on October 31, 2014, 12:54:06 PM
If anyone wants Taylor Adams, PM me with your offers.
I'd make an offer buuuut y'know...
Quote from: elephants on October 31, 2014, 12:56:28 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 31, 2014, 12:54:06 PM
If anyone wants Taylor Adams, PM me with your offers.
I'd make an offer buuuut y'know...
Haha that's not stopping you from making one to me. ;)
So I've lost three second round picks (28, 32 and 35) due to negging, surely I should get some compensation for the continued weakening of my side?
sounds fair
or.. just make fair trades ;)
Quote from: Holz on October 31, 2014, 06:29:32 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 31, 2014, 06:26:04 PM
or.. just make fair trades ;)
they are the ones getting negged ;)
Yeh have only had the issue with one of your trades, which we spoke about anyway
so if fair trades are getting negged why should you get pick 1 for the next 10 years?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 31, 2014, 06:26:04 PM
or.. just make fair trades ;)
So we should try and be worse traders?
Any update on trades, os?
Last weeks trade decisions have been updtaed in OP on trade confirmation and rulings are a few pages back and do not think we get to vote on this week till Monday
Anyone looking for draft picks?
Yeea sure
Quote from: Ringo on November 01, 2014, 12:41:49 PM
Last weeks trade decisions have been updtaed in OP on trade confirmation and rulings are a few pages back and do not think we get to vote on this week till Monday
Nah meant this weeks
Trade 88
NDT give: Wellingham + N72
New York give: Templeton + N45
Trade 89
Dublin give: M.Scharenberg
Dildos give: D.Swan
Trade 90
Mexico City give: Nathan Hrovat, Sam Gilbert, Tom Curren + Pick 18
Mexico City receive: Brad Ebert, Zak Jones, Taylor Hunt + Picks 46, 86
Christchurch give: Lachie Whitfield, Zak Jones + Pick 36
Christchurch receive: Nathan Hrovat, Sam Gilbert + Pick 22
Seoul give: Brad Ebert, Taylor Hunt + Picks 22, 46, 86
Seoul receive: Lachie Whitfield, Eli Templeton + Picks 18, 36
New Delhi give: Eli Templeton
New Delhi receive: Tom Curren
Trade 91
Berlin Trade: Mitch Clark
Rio Trade: Xavier Ellis + Marco Paparone
Trade 92
PNL Trade: Nat #51.
Cairo Trade: Jed Bews.
Sorry JR Time flies and did not realise another vote had been done. I have voted though.
Anybody willing to trade a starting caliber forward for Stephen Hill, Bernie Vince, Isaac Smith or Jared Polec?
Quote from: Levis43 on November 01, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
Anybody willing to trade a starting caliber forward for Stephen Hill, Bernie Vince, Isaac Smith or Jared Polec?
Well Jpod starts for us soo..
Quote from: elephants on November 01, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 01, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
Anybody willing to trade a starting caliber forward for Stephen Hill, Bernie Vince, Isaac Smith or Jared Polec?
Well Jpod starts for us soo..
Tory Dickson used to start for us until we acquired McGovern last season and Ben Brown this trade period.
Happy to straight swap him for Isaac Smith. 8)
Quote from: elephants on November 01, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 01, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
Anybody willing to trade a starting caliber forward for Stephen Hill, Bernie Vince, Isaac Smith or Jared Polec?
Well Jpod starts for us soo..
He is on the Dublin bench
Quote from: Holz on November 01, 2014, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 01, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 01, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
Anybody willing to trade a starting caliber forward for Stephen Hill, Bernie Vince, Isaac Smith or Jared Polec?
Well Jpod starts for us soo..
He is on the Dublin bench
Not yet he ain't!
Quote from: Nige on October 31, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Sicily is gonna play 200 games and kick 1000 goals. 8)
Sounds like a starting forward to me.
Quote from: meow meow on November 01, 2014, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 31, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Sicily is gonna play 200 games and kick 1000 goals. 8)
Sounds like a starting forward to me.
If that's the case he should be a good bet for the vfl Coleman.
Quote from: Holz on November 01, 2014, 05:45:33 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 01, 2014, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 31, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Sicily is gonna play 200 games and kick 1000 goals. 8)
Sounds like a starting forward to me.
If that's the case he should be a good bet for the vfl Coleman.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 21, 2014, 03:37:57 PM
Sicily will definitely get some games next year.
You gonna argue with Mr.Craig?
Quote from: meow meow on November 01, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 01, 2014, 05:45:33 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 01, 2014, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Nige on October 31, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Sicily is gonna play 200 games and kick 1000 goals. 8)
Sounds like a starting forward to me.
If that's the case he should be a good bet for the vfl Coleman.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 21, 2014, 03:37:57 PM
Sicily will definitely get some games next year.
You gonna argue with Mr.Craig?
I think he will get some, that's why I chased him. Not sure he gets a lot though
Quote from: Ringo on November 01, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Sorry JR Time flies and did not realise another vote had been done. I have voted though.
not sure you have Ringo?
Kristian Jaksch 38.6 DT/ 49.2 SC
If he gets his DT up to 60 which should be pretty easy we're looking at a 74.5 average with that ratio. Contested marking machine which is great for SC. I think he'll play backline at the Blues and gobble up all the intercept marks. Might lose fwd status so I am looking to trade him for a forward, or a pick.
Quote from: ossie85 on November 01, 2014, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 01, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Sorry JR Time flies and did not realise another vote had been done. I have voted though.
not sure you have Ringo?
Is Ringo the only coach who hasn't voted, os?
Wil send again now OSS. Thought I did but do not keep out box copies
So, does anyone have any forwards they are willing to trade? If so then please PM me
We are still open to the idea of trading Libba or Macrae, so shoot me offers if your interested.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 03, 2014, 03:46:03 AM
So, does anyone have any forwards they are willing to trade? If so then please PM me
We are still open to the idea of trading Libba or Macrae, so shoot me offers if your interested.
just libba, not Macrae
Sorry about being quiet!
Buenos Aires and Cape Town didn't vote. If they miss next week, they'll lose a pick.
Trade 88
NDT give: Wellingham + N72
New York give: Templeton + N45
Votes against: 1
Coach comments: Feel picks lead to New Delhi winning trade by too much
Admin comments: No issue
Final result: PASSED
Trade 89
Dublin give: M.Scharenberg
Dildos give: D.Swan
Votes against: 8
Coach comments: Scharenberg has yet to prove himself and has already suffered 2 serious injuries, Swan is fading but his worth is still much more.
Admin comments: Agree with coaches
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 90
Mexico City give: Nathan Hrovat, Sam Gilbert, Tom Curren + Pick 18
Mexico City receive: Brad Ebert, Zak Jones, Taylor Hunt + Picks 46, 86
Christchurch give: Lachie Whitfield, Zak Jones + Pick 36
Christchurch receive: Nathan Hrovat, Sam Gilbert + Pick 22
Seoul give: Brad Ebert, Taylor Hunt + Picks 22, 46, 86
Seoul receive: Lachie Whitfield, Eli Templeton + Picks 18, 36
New Delhi give: Eli Templeton
New Delhi receive: Tom Curren
Votes against: 5
Coach comments: Many reasons... here we go.... but the headlines are people feel Seoul are loosing too much, Christchurch losing, and Mexico City winning too much (but there were some inconsistent responses).
Admin comments: Gives me a headache just looking at. So here we go....
New Delhi --> Personally see this as a strange swap. Young unproven Saint midfielder for another? But whatever, no reason to reject that part of it.
Mexico City --> Brad Ebert couldn't stay away? Hrovat has potential, but it isn't a sure thing yet. Gilbert is probably done, maybe 1 year left, Curren young with some potential. Pick 18 solid. Ebert is slipping, only averaged 83 in the last 13 games last year (but 106 in the first 12). Zak Jones hasn't done anything, Taylor Hunt has limited potential, and 2 poor-ish picks. Fine.
Christchurch --> Probably the most contentious, as I think Gilbert is worth nothing, and Hrovat not proven. Whitfield is also not proven (despite being high profile though), Jones will probably struggle for a bit... Pick difference may get this by just.
Seoul --> Some people think Seoul losing too much, but one coach thought the opposite. I kind of feel that Seoul's done well here myself.
Can't find a good enough reason to reject it, and I shouldn't be looking for it either.... so...
Final result: PASSED
Trade 91
Berlin Trade: Mitch Clark
Rio Trade: Xavier Ellis + Marco Paparone
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: This could be one of those trades that in years go by one coach looks a genius, the other a fool. Not sure which is which though.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 92
PNL Trade: Nat #51.
Cairo Trade: Jed Bews.
Votes against: 0
Coach comments: 0
Admin comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
pretty silly whoever said Seoul are losing to much
I don't know why, but I was worried our little Bews trade would get heat for some reason. :P
Quote from: ossie85 on November 03, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
New Delhi --> Personally see this as a strange swap. Young unproven Saint midfielder for another? But whatever, no reason to reject that part of it.
Curren has been a favourite of ours for a while. Currently doing a tagging apprenticeship but showed last year his scoring capabilities. Also closer to best 22 at the Saints than what Templeton is.
If Swan is worth much more PM us with your offers!
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 03, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
pretty silly whoever said Seoul are losing to much
Agree here, Seoul won big in the trade.
Whitfield is a star.
Quote from: Holz on November 03, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 03, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
pretty silly whoever said Seoul are losing to much
Agree here, Seoul won big in the trade.
Whitfield is a star.
I should've traded him to you then ::) :P
shower sorry Oss, thought we had voted already :-[
Christchurch seemingly big losers in that one...
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/3XVJB/but-thats-none-of-my-business/image.png)
Quote from: Holz on November 03, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 03, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
pretty silly whoever said Seoul are losing to much
Agree here, Seoul won big in the trade.
Whitfield is a star.
yeah i find it pretty funny he is a former #1 pick and has shown enough to suggest he will be a premo one day Ebert is not anything special and we got pick upgrades so really NFI what people were thinking
Meow knows what he's doing ;) Hrovat will be a gun, he's someone I didn't want to lose, but had to.
I'm happy with my deal, anyway. Basically I got Gibbs for Nathan Hrovat, Tim Membrey + Pick 18.
Quote from: My Chumps on November 03, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
shower sorry Oss, thought we had voted already :-[
Christchurch seemingly big losers in that one...
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/3XVJB/but-thats-none-of-my-business/image.png)
flowering love that meme haha
Quote from: Holz on November 03, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 03, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
pretty silly whoever said Seoul are losing to much
Agree here, Seoul won big in the trade.
Whitfield is a star.
Whitfield is a
potential star.
Mumford, Griffen, Ward, Treloar, Greene, Kelly, Shiel, Coniglio. Good luck getting points in that midfield if you can't win contested ball. Are they going to have 9 players with 100+ averages in the mids? Whitfield 79 vs Hrovat 77 (unsubbed) and a good chance of forward DPP is a loss? Come on people.
Quote from: ossie85 on November 03, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Christchurch --> Probably the most contentious, as I think Gilbert is worth nothing, and Hrovat not proven. Whitfield is also not proven (despite being high profile though), Jones will probably struggle for a bit... Pick difference may get this by just.
I think trading nothing for Gilbert would probably get negged :P. It depends on how you look at this. Most people would see Jones (pick 15 last year) for Gilbert, then a pick swap. It was actually Jones for pick 22/ pick 36 for Gilbert. I rate pick 22 this year higher than pick 15 last year. 36 for Gilbert is hardly worth blocking the trade over.
Quote from: ossie85 on November 03, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Sorry about being quiet!
Buenos Aires and Cape Town didn't vote. If they miss next week, they'll lose a pick.
Gah - I sent my thoughts to Chumps to check over and pass on to you about trades.
Might have to send them directly to you this week :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 03, 2014, 02:51:25 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 03, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Sorry about being quiet!
Buenos Aires and Cape Town didn't vote. If they miss next week, they'll lose a pick.
Gah - I sent my thoughts to Chumps to check over and pass on to you about trades.
Might have to send them directly to you this week :P
Good idea Mr. Co-coach. ;)
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Should apply to be co-coach like Memph.
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Yep, I got it..
... but didn't get your votes?
Quote from: ossie85 on November 03, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Yep, I got it..
... but didn't get your votes?
Haha I was waiting for your approval to vote. :P
Sorry my bad.
Quote from: Nige on November 03, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Should apply to be co-coach like Memph.
I have, I think that's going to be in the next vote or something.
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 03, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Should apply to be co-coach like Memph.
I have, I think that's going to be in the next vote or something.
Onya Vin. 8)
Wouldn't mind a pick in the 20s or 30s, if anyone can help there, please chuck me a PM and we'll see if we can work something out.
Quote from: Nige on November 03, 2014, 03:01:07 PM
Wouldn't mind a pick in the 20s or 30s, if anyone can help there, please chuck me a PM and we'll see if we can work something out.
Lets piggy back on this.
We wouldn't mind some more higher picks in this draft as well. Anywhere from Pick 1-30 will do.
Happy to give you a later pick (we have lots around the 50s) plus maybe a project player for it.
7 and 38 (Close enough to 30) Hit me up Memph! :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 03, 2014, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 03, 2014, 03:01:07 PM
Wouldn't mind a pick in the 20s or 30s, if anyone can help there, please chuck me a PM and we'll see if we can work something out.
Lets piggy back on this.
We wouldn't mind some more higher picks in this draft as well. Anywhere from Pick 1-30 will do.
Happy to give you a later pick (we have lots around the 50s) plus maybe a project player for it.
Piggy backing on my post eh?
Damn South Africans. >:(
8, 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 27
Every pick and player on my list is available at all times. For the right deal of course...
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 03, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Yep, I got it..
... but didn't get your votes?
Haha I was waiting for your approval to vote. :P
Sorry my bad.
Quote from: Nige on November 03, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 02:54:53 PM
Os, Nails forwarded a PM to you in regards to me getting rights to vote. You may have missed it though?
Should apply to be co-coach like Memph.
I have, I think that's going to be in the next vote or something.
You have vinny? Sorry I missed that, will put it through next time though if Nails says yes
If any of these guys interest you, send me a PM.
Hodge and Kelly could be packaged up for a younger defender..
Nroo and Pav could also be packaged up for a younger fwd.
BJ could potentially be on the table for a younger mid, as well.
Zak Jones could also potentially be on the table.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 03, 2014, 03:37:36 PM
If any of these guys interest you, send me a PM.
Hodge and Kelly could be packaged up for a younger defender..
Nroo and Pav could also be packaged up for a younger fwd.
BJ could potentially be on the table for a younger mid, as well.
Zak Jones could also potentially be on the table.
Giving holz the flag already? :P
Willing to package any of Swan, Chapman, Petrie or N7.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 03, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 03, 2014, 03:37:36 PM
If any of these guys interest you, send me a PM.
Hodge and Kelly could be packaged up for a younger defender..
Nroo and Pav could also be packaged up for a younger fwd.
BJ could potentially be on the table for a younger mid, as well.
Zak Jones could also potentially be on the table.
Giving holz the flag already? :P
Haha, yep I've already conceded defeat :(
Better start building for the future, I guess :P
Nah, my depth is too good, need to trade some off to improve my starting XV
Quote from: JROO8 on November 03, 2014, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 03, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 03, 2014, 03:37:36 PM
If any of these guys interest you, send me a PM.
Hodge and Kelly could be packaged up for a younger defender..
Nroo and Pav could also be packaged up for a younger fwd.
BJ could potentially be on the table for a younger mid, as well.
Zak Jones could also potentially be on the table.
Giving holz the flag already? :P
Haha, yep I've already conceded defeat :(
Better start building for the future, I guess :P
Nah, my depth is too good, need to trade some off to improve my starting XV
That explains why you're desperate to sell me James Kelly. :P
ok with not long left in the trade period, the doors at NDT are still open for trade talks.
All picks and players are available.
Pick 3 will only really be moveable if we can get a good young mid for it alone or a gun mid if we add another NDT player with it.
Picks:
3, 5, 45, 47, 48, 57, 70
Also if you have a pick in the 20s or 30s and want a two for one deal without losing too many places, we can look at that also.
Players:
CPearce, Mullett, Webster, DBuckley
(JImpey, ZWilliams, Hartigan, Ellis-Yolmen, DTalia, Cheney, SEdwards, CGiles, ZDawson, JKelly, LRT, Rutten)
Coniglio, Bastinac, Gaff, Trengove
Masten, Conca
(Curren, Bell, NRobertson, Kerridge, Michie, Dunell, Bail, RKnight, Helbig, Ross, Raines, Cassisi)
Nicholls
(Warnock, Gorringe, Nankervis, Hannath, Renouf)
Darling, Griffiths, JGrant, Apeness
(Johnston, Dell'Olio, LMcCarthy, BJohnson, Sumner, Giansiracusa, Garlett)
How long left do we have to trade?
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 05:27:25 PM
How long left do we have to trade?
November 10th I think Oss' PM said.
Holy shower.
Somebody trade with us. :(
Swan, Petrie, Chapman, Hale, Newman, Cornes.
N7, N38, N58.
Looking for 21-26 year olds in defence and the midfield. Plus a ruckmen to start.
Very keen to trade!
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
Holy shower.
Somebody trade with us. :(
Swan, Petrie, Chapman, Hale, Newman, Cornes.
N7, N38, N58.
Looking for 21-26 year olds in defence and the midfield. Plus a ruckmen to start.
Very keen to trade!
I offered you that one defender but you know what happened after that... :P ;)
Quote from: Vinny on November 03, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
Holy shower.
Somebody trade with us. :(
Swan, Petrie, Chapman, Hale, Newman, Cornes.
N7, N38, N58.
Looking for 21-26 year olds in defence and the midfield. Plus a ruckmen to start.
Very keen to trade!
Sorry don't really want any of this at Cape Town next season...
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o793/TimDCarrier/3434822-large1_zps477c75b6.jpg) (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/TimDCarrier/media/3434822-large1_zps477c75b6.jpg.html)
Hahaha fair enough.
Fine by me though, you can be young forever then when your blokes are old enough to contend, you can trade them for more youth. ;)
Not sure if people can be stuffed but updating their trade table/list would be great for this last week of trading?
Quote from: Nige on November 03, 2014, 01:55:44 PM
I don't know why, but I was worried our little Bews trade would get heat for some reason. :P
It was never in any doubt by me, PNL trades tend to not even be considered for rejection >:D.
Wingard + Rich may be on the move paired up, so if anybody wants a go can have at it, but will have to be a cracking offer ;).
And alot of people want picks now :P.
Still looking for a prem defender if anyone is willing to trade one PM me.
These players are on the table for picks: Tayte Pears, Tim Golds, Will Hams, Alex Browne, Daniel Flynn, Josh Simpson, Ashley Smith, Josh Simpson, Jackson Sheringham, Mitch Clisby, Trent West. Yes aware some of them have been delisted so take them at your own risk.
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jack+Gunston+AFL+Rd+14+Hawthorn+v+Collingwood+4HdsVMJcZ1nl.jpg)
Jack Gunston on the table for a fair trade, most likely involving a mid.
4 offers already so I will just tell everyone the same thing instead of having to say it over and over in PM's.
I am willing to swap Gunston and one of my mids in a 2-for-2 trade, players only.
Like Gunston (90) + Scully (80) for a 110 averaging mid + a 60 averaging forward. With age, potential and JS taken into account.
Like I said, a fair trade.
This'll be interesting...
Meow, you're one of a kind. :P ;)
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Meow, you're one of a kind. :P ;)
Says the guy who demanded Gunston and a 115 averaging ruck (who I don't even have) for a 110 averaging mid.
Hahaha #banter
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Meow, you're one of a kind. :P ;)
Says the guy who demanded Gunston and a 115 averaging ruck (who I don't even have) for a 110 averaging mid.
Lol you know I was joking about that, just think the first offer you gave us was absolutely disgusting.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Meow, you're one of a kind. :P ;)
Says the guy who demanded Gunston and a 115 averaging ruck (who I don't even have) for a 110 averaging mid.
Lol you know I was joking about that, just think the first offer you gave us was absolutely disgusting.
How is 170 points swapped for 170 points disgusting? 110 mid + 60 foward for 80 mid + 90 forward is a
FAIR TRADE. It's not difficult to understand.
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Meow, you're one of a kind. :P ;)
Says the guy who demanded Gunston and a 115 averaging ruck (who I don't even have) for a 110 averaging mid.
Lol you know I was joking about that, just think the first offer you gave us was absolutely disgusting.
How is 170 points swapped for 170 points disgusting? 110 mid + 60 foward for 80 mid + 90 forward is a FAIR TRADE. It's not difficult to understand.
you never stated who the 60 forward was. Scully and Gunston for our best mid isn't even something we'd consider.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 04, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Meow, you're one of a kind. :P ;)
Says the guy who demanded Gunston and a 115 averaging ruck (who I don't even have) for a 110 averaging mid.
Lol you know I was joking about that, just think the first offer you gave us was absolutely disgusting.
How is 170 points swapped for 170 points disgusting? 110 mid + 60 foward for 80 mid + 90 forward is a FAIR TRADE. It's not difficult to understand.
you never stated who the 60 forward was. Scully and Gunston for our best mid isn't even something we'd consider.
Dude, you asked what I am looking for, I told you. If you don't like it then just let it go haha. I'm not forcing you to make an offer.
Other combinations could be:
Hamish Hartlett (100) and Gunston (90) for a 110/80
Boak (105) and Gunston for a 115/80 or 110/85
Hrovat (85 estimated) and Gunston for 110/65
You get the picture
All we know is that Gunston is set to leave :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 04, 2014, 06:00:30 PM
All we know is that Gunston is set to leave :P.
Most likely.
I think his destination is only between a certain few clubs as well.
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 04, 2014, 06:00:30 PM
All we know is that Gunston is set to leave :P.
I'm happy to keep him. He's every chance to improve and even if he doesn't he's still a gun. Just floating the idea to see what I can get for him. I've had a few teams ask so I may as well put him out there for everyone, that's all.
Geez Holz, we were in talks with him about Rocky and he just goes and accepts Meow's offer.
Was there ever any doubt that Gunston would end up at Dublin as soon as meow publicly tabled him? :P
Good trade though guys.
Brodie Grundy could be moved for a starting XV player and a decent ruck.
PM me if you are interested.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
Geez Holz, we were in talks with him about Rocky and he just goes and accepts Meow's offer.
You wanted Rocky Walters for jom Dunn hombsch
Gunston 90.35 and Boak 105.71 = 196.06
Rockliff 132.00 and Green 66.15 = 198.15
I don't think I win the trade by too much.
Quote from: Nige on November 04, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
Was there ever any doubt that Gunston would end up at Dublin as soon as meow publicly tabled him? :P
Good trade though guys.
He isn't at Dublin yet, I need the trade to pass .
Who knows if that will hsppen
If people want to trade their early picks for slightly later picks I am open to swapping some, but there's not a large degree of difference in value between 5 and 20 this year so I won't pay massive overs to move up the order.
Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2014, 08:02:23 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 04, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
Was there ever any doubt that Gunston would end up at Dublin as soon as meow publicly tabled him? :P
Good trade though guys.
He isn't at Dublin yet, I need the trade to pass .
Who knows if that will hsppen
I can't think of a single reason why it won't. It can't get negged for any reason whatsoever.
Raw numbers: Almost identical
Gunston 90.35 and Boak 105.71 = 196.06
Rockliff 132.00 and Green 66.15 = 198.15
Age when they line up in round 1: Almost identical
Green 22, Rockliff 25
Gunston 23, Boak 26
How it affects Dublin: slightly weakens their best XV
Before: Rocky (c) 260, Selwood 120, Walters 75 - Green 66 on the bench = 455
After: Selwood (c) 240, Boak 105, Gunston 90 - Walters 75 on the bench = 435, better bench cover
How it affects Christchurch:
Before: Boak (c) 211 + Gunston 90 = 301
After: Rocky (c) 260 + Green 66 = 326
That is assuming that Rocky can keep his 130 average up with the addition of Beams, Christensen, and the return of Rich and Redden. DOUBTFUL. For this trade to make zero difference to my total score (301 each), Rockliff needs to average 117.5, which I think is about right, and way more likely than keeping up the 130 average. If he can somehow manage it, I have a tiny win.
If the Rocky 117.5 average happens, Dublin's "before" score would be 432.5 (Selwood captain), which is almost identical to their "after" score, although with the "after" score they have a better bench, and they have a tiny win.
Either way it is not worth of rejecting. It is as close to dead even as any trade in the history of trades.
^ thats why I wanted Meow in the comp,
thats exactly how my brain works too and I ran the above numbers through my head. Top quality analysis Meow, this game is bascially money ball and thats how you should look at trade in my opinion.
the only other factor I considered was the age of roughy, gunston gives me a bigger boost in 3-4 years when roughy is gone as walters can be my f4 not green so helps my starting team in 3-4 years.
Kinda hope this gets negged for the lols now
Quote from: elephants on November 05, 2014, 01:07:42 AM
Kinda hope this gets negged for the lols now
I wouldn't care if it does, because I don't win or lose either way. If it doesn't pass, the only annoying part would be that people can't value trades properly. People should be able to do that shower in their head when deciding if a trade is fair or not.
The whole negging system doesn't work anyway. It is good in theory, but some trades let through are way worse than some that got negged. Including some in this trade period.
But I suppose it is getting better. In the very first trade period, some of the hombres in this competition let me trade Brian Lake, fresh off a 58.8 average for Adam Treloar before he had played an AFL match. Has to be the worst ever.
21yo Harry Cunningham, played all 22 games this year and will likely get forward status(probable dpp) next season.
Will provide solid Depth as is, cementing his spot in the Swans best 22. Potential to be a handy F5 dpp with good job security at your club.
We will be looking for draft pick in return due to Points Cap issues. PM any offers to Jayman or myself.
Throwing up picks N45, N47, N48, N57, N70 for depth players.
Quote from: meow meow on November 05, 2014, 12:48:26 AM
Quote from: Holz on November 04, 2014, 08:02:23 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 04, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
Was there ever any doubt that Gunston would end up at Dublin as soon as meow publicly tabled him? :P
Good trade though guys.
He isn't at Dublin yet, I need the trade to pass .
Who knows if that will hsppen
I can't think of a single reason why it won't. It can't get negged for any reason whatsoever.
Raw numbers: Almost identical
Gunston 90.35 and Boak 105.71 = 196.06
Rockliff 132.00 and Green 66.15 = 198.15
Age when they line up in round 1: Almost identical
Green 22, Rockliff 25
Gunston 23, Boak 26
How it affects Dublin: slightly weakens their best XV
Before: Rocky (c) 260, Selwood 120, Walters 75 - Green 66 on the bench = 455
After: Selwood (c) 240, Boak 105, Gunston 90 - Walters 75 on the bench = 435, better bench cover
How it affects Christchurch:
Before: Boak (c) 211 + Gunston 90 = 301
After: Rocky (c) 260 + Green 66 = 326
That is assuming that Rocky can keep his 130 average up with the addition of Beams, Christensen, and the return of Rich and Redden. DOUBTFUL. For this trade to make zero difference to my total score (301 each), Rockliff needs to average 117.5, which I think is about right, and way more likely than keeping up the 130 average. If he can somehow manage it, I have a tiny win.
If the Rocky 117.5 average happens, Dublin's "before" score would be 432.5 (Selwood captain), which is almost identical to their "after" score, although with the "after" score they have a better bench, and they have a tiny win.
Either way it is not worth of rejecting. It is as close to dead even as any trade in the history of trades.
Nice spiel mate.
I think Dublin win this one pretty easily though despite trading away Rockliff.
I don't think he'll keep it up (the super high possession totals) and Boak seems to be continually improving. I can see that gap between them in scoring closing next season.
And then Gunston is a hell of a lot better than Green. I think this trade strengthens his team quite a bit.
Having said that I don't think I'd neg it though.
Haha holy shower, what did I start? :o :P
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 05, 2014, 12:48:50 PM
Nice spiel mate.
I think Dublin win this one pretty easily though despite trading away Rockliff.
I don't think he'll keep it up (the super high possession totals) and Boak seems to be continually improving. I can see that gap between them in scoring closing next season.
And then Gunston is a hell of a lot better than Green. I think this trade strengthens his team quite a bit.
Having said that I don't think I'd neg it though.
Can you tell me how it improves his team "quite a bit"? I'm failing to see how.
Boak's scoring didn't improve one bit last year so I don't know where that theory came from, but okay. Even if Rockliff averages 120 and Boak 110 it's not going to make an enormous difference. Assuming Selwood is Dublin's captain, and assuming Walters doesn't average more than 75 again...
Before: Rocky (120), Walters (75) - Green 65 on bench = 195
After: Boak (110), Gunston (90) - Walters on bench = 200
Christchurch:
Before: Boak (220), Gunston (90) = 310
After: Rockliff (240), Green (65) = 305
It's like trading a 100 averaging player for a 97.5 averaging player who is one year younger. Simply cannot be blocked.
In the case of Boak going 110 and Rocky 120, Dublin have the slightest win (5 points, which would equate to +0.5 in WXV scores), and improve their F5 but at the expense of another captain option. If Walters averages 85 instead of 75, Dublin's "before" team would outscore their "after" team 205 to 200 ( -0.5 in WXV scores).
McGlynn for sale for a starting defender
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 05, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
McGlynn for sale for a starting defender
Does age matter? :P
(http://i.imgur.com/dbn9vZq.jpg)
If anyone has any of these players up for trade I'd be interested in bringing them to Christchurch. I shouldn't have traded out one of them, he was the best player in the land in the under 12's.
hope i'm not the only one who has NFI who they are
I can't even tell who most of them are... But I sense two of them MAY be Hallahan and Shiel (first left in the 2nd bottom row and bottom row)? That's going by looks sort of...
I honestly don't even know where you found a pic like that :P.
I see Dylan Shiel and Jon Patton
Hey I see Patts as well Elle! Knowing Mewtwo, Treloar is in there somewhere as well :P.
So he basically wants a bunch of guys from PNL ;).
Quote from: elephants on November 05, 2014, 04:55:57 PM
I see Dylan Shiel and Jon Patton
Yep those were the first two I noticed.
I also notices Dom Tyson and Toby Greene.
Guessing WHE, Buntine and Tomlinson are also there?
Quote from: JROO8 on November 05, 2014, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 05, 2014, 04:55:57 PM
I see Dylan Shiel and Jon Patton
Yep those were the first two I noticed.
I also notices Dom Tyson and Toby Greene.
Guessing WHE, Buntine and Tomlinson are also there?
Shiel and Patton are easy. Tomlinson looks pretty similar I think (blonde kid on the right). Next to him is Elliot Kavanagh, next to him is Michael Talia. Across from him is Nick O'Brien, and across from him is Jordan Kelly. Up in the top right corner is none other than Brad Crouch.
Dom Tyson is obvious once you know he is in there. Standing behind him is Devon Smith.
I don't really want to trade these guys in, just gave you something to do.
Haha yeah I only saw Patton and Shiel.
Come on guys, make some offers for Swan and Chappy.
Quote from: Vinny on November 05, 2014, 05:10:52 PM
Come on guys, make some offers for Swan and Chappy.
I'll kickstart bidding at ZDawson + Cheney
Might get blocked from paying overs but
Quote from: meow meow on November 05, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 05, 2014, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 05, 2014, 04:55:57 PM
I see Dylan Shiel and Jon Patton
Yep those were the first two I noticed.
I also notices Dom Tyson and Toby Greene.
Guessing WHE, Buntine and Tomlinson are also there?
Hallahan, Treloar, Toby, WHE and Buntine aren't in there. Tomlinson looks pretty similar I think (blonde kid on the right)
I want to know who the 3rd guy from the left, second row is?
Looks like Mumford, but he's way too young, haha.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 05, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
I want to know who the 3rd guy from the left, second row is?
Worked out most of the others, struggling with this one.
Quote from: Nige on November 05, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 05, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
I want to know who the 3rd guy from the left, second row is?
Worked out most of the others, struggling with this one.
Scroll up
We have Michael Talia >:D
Throwing up Nat 10 for a 90+ midfielder, any age.
Can package up Lewis Taylor and Nat 10 for a a good young mid or forward.
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Throwing up Nat 10 for a 90+ midfielder, any age.
Can package up Lewis Taylor and Nat 10 for a a good young mid or forward.
Isn't Lewis Taylor a good young forward?
Quote from: meow meow on November 05, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Throwing up Nat 10 for a 90+ midfielder, any age.
Can package up Lewis Taylor and Nat 10 for a a good young mid or forward.
Isn't Lewis Taylor a good young forward?
Quote from: meow meow on November 05, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Throwing up Nat 10 for a 90+ midfielder, any age.
Can package up Lewis Taylor and Nat 10 for a a good young mid or forward.
Isn't Lewis Taylor a good young forward?
Yes but need someone that is capable of starting next year.
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:43:51 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 05, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Throwing up Nat 10 for a 90+ midfielder, any age.
Can package up Lewis Taylor and Nat 10 for a a good young mid or forward.
Isn't Lewis Taylor a good young forward?
Yes but need someone that is capable of starting next year.
Lewis Taylor is well and truly capable of starting.
Quote from: Nige on November 05, 2014, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:43:51 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 05, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Throwing up Nat 10 for a 90+ midfielder, any age.
Can package up Lewis Taylor and Nat 10 for a a good young mid or forward.
Isn't Lewis Taylor a good young forward?
Yes but need someone that is capable of starting next year.
Lewis Taylor is well and truly capable of starting.
Calling a 65-average player capable of starting is pretty generous...
will go 80+ next year easily
Quote from: Jukes on November 05, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 05, 2014, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:43:51 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 05, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Levis43 on November 05, 2014, 05:34:05 PM
Throwing up Nat 10 for a 90+ midfielder, any age.
Can package up Lewis Taylor and Nat 10 for a a good young mid or forward.
Isn't Lewis Taylor a good young forward?
Yes but need someone that is capable of starting next year.
Lewis Taylor is well and truly capable of starting.
Calling a 65-average player capable of starting is pretty generous...
Young players can and do get better, they're not stuck with their first year average for the rest of their career :P. Macrae went from 61 to 100. Hulk Hogan isn't going to average 0 forever.
That's a big call KB, I reckon 71-76 mark. Especially with all the guns coming into the Brissy line-up.
I do really like Taylor though, got him in EXV.
Quote from: Vinny on November 05, 2014, 07:19:45 PM
That's a big call KB, I reckon 71-76 mark. Especially with all the guns coming into the Brissy line-up.
I do really like Taylor though, got him in EXV.
didn't he barely have a preseason last year?
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 05, 2014, 11:52:43 AM
21yo Harry Cunningham, played all 22 games this year and will likely get forward status(probable dpp) next season.
Will provide solid Depth as is, cementing his spot in the Swans best 22. Potential to be a handy F5 dpp with good job security at your club.
We will be looking for draft pick in return due to Points Cap issues. PM any offers to Jayman or myself.
Bump
Swan could be shipped off tonight, get in your final offers.
If anyone has some spuds with plenty of points they want to package for N38 or N58, hit me up. (2 spuds maximum please.)
We need to be rescued from going under the cap.
pick 10 is a dirty whore has been everywhere :P
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 05, 2014, 11:50:34 PM
pick 10 is a dirty whore has been everywhere :P
Suits us then. ;)
Melbourne's newest recruit, Ben Newton and Nick Graham will be off tonight. If anyone is interested in these two then chuck me a PM to see if you can better the current offer.
I swear if Purple is the one to get Newton....
Quote from: ossie85 on November 06, 2014, 10:13:57 AM
I swear if Purple is the one to get Newton....
I feel this could be likely. :P
Quote from: ossie85 on November 06, 2014, 10:13:57 AM
I swear if Purple is the one to get Newton....
Make him drop fyfe and just pick up the entire Melbourne list.
Pick 38 is going to be shipped off soon, unless anyone has any better last minute offers.
Looking for points for cap. Currently the best offer is two spuds that equal about 2100 points.
Quote from: Vinny on November 06, 2014, 12:29:03 PM
Pick 38 is going to be shipped off soon, unless anyone has any better last minute offers.
Looking for points for cap. Currently the best offer is two spuds that equal about 2100 points.
If only we had some spuds to offer.
Cape Town is spud free :P
Well in terms of older players who start at least.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 06, 2014, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 06, 2014, 12:29:03 PM
Pick 38 is going to be shipped off soon, unless anyone has any better last minute offers.
Looking for points for cap. Currently the best offer is two spuds that equal about 2100 points.
If only we had some spuds to offer.
Cape Town is spud free :P
Well in terms of older players who start at least.
TIL a spud is an old player who starts.
But dat definition doe.
memph not reply to messages anyway :-[
Quote from: ossie85 on November 06, 2014, 10:13:57 AM
I swear if Purple is the one to get Newton....
Your face.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 06, 2014, 03:25:47 PM
memph not reply to messages anyway :-[
Usually I do.
If I haven't it's because either that team isn't a priority for me (in order it's probably WXV, AXV, BXV, AMXVIIISC, AMXVIIIDT, EXV) or because I'm still thinking about the offer.
In your case I think it's because I have 3-4 offers for JOM atm so weighing up what to do.
cool but you could of just sent a reply saying you were deciding on a few offers lol
NDT just slowly creeping up the draft order 8)
3. New Delhi
4. Pacific Buenos Aires Cape Town New Delhi
5. Beijing PNL New Delhi
6. New Delhi PNL
Packaging Swan + Pick 7 for the best player guys.
Quote from: Vinny on November 06, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
Packaging Swan + Pick 7 for the best player guys.
so if we offer heath hocking and he is the only/best play you get offered it's a done deal?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 06, 2014, 08:18:53 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 06, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
Packaging Swan + Pick 7 for the best player guys.
so if we offer heath hocking and he is the only/best play you get offered it's a done deal?
Nope, that's not what will happen.
Quote from: ossie85 on November 06, 2014, 10:13:57 AM
I swear if Purple is the one to get Newton....
Ha! You're wrong! :P
Lol purps!
Heading into the final weekend guys. Best of luck
3 coaches left to vote (Holz, MajorLazer/Nige, JBs-Hawks)
Quote from: ossie85 on November 07, 2014, 06:46:26 AM
Heading into the final weekend guys
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2ag817o.gif)
Picks 59, 70, 88 are on the table for players. Don't have to be superstars but would help with our cap
Quote from: ossie85 on November 07, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
3 coaches left to vote (Holz, MajorLazer/Nige, JBs-Hawks)
3 teams that are on regularly. Guys, need me to do a detailed write up of each trade? So you don't have to agonise over the decision to reject or not, something that takes about 2 minutes :P
Haha, my bad.
I sent the lads a group message of Facebook, got their responses and just forgot to respond.
Sent the votes a couple of hours ago.
If anyone wants my PSD pick 9, I'll give it to you for a very late draft pick, or an upgrade on my Pick 84...
FYI, for those that don't know, the pre-season draft gives you first access to those selected in the AFL rookie draft and AFL pre-season draft, and any players chosen will go on your senior list. You can also pick the left-overs from the WXV national draft.
Trade 93
Dublin Trade: Pick 43
Christchurch Trade: Majak Daw + Pick 56
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: Thought might
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/11/20/1226200/635255-chris-yarran.jpg)
89 unsubbed, 24 year old Chris Yarran is on the table.
Looking for an older defender with similar scoring output + a top 10 pick, or a fair swap of players in another 2-for-2 trade, again most likely involving a mid.
Premo defenders don't seem to exist, and a 24 year old premo defender is unheard of!
Got basically norths whole ruckline
#nogoldynoproblem
Quote from: ossie85 on November 07, 2014, 03:42:53 PM
Trade 93
Dublin Trade: Pick 43
Christchurch Trade: Majak Daw + Pick 56
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: Thought might
The suspense!
copy and paste issue strikes again
We would have got our trade results if it wasn't for that meddling bug!
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 04:01:03 PM
We would have got our trade results if it wasn't for that meddling bug!
...and if you have have voted 2 days ago :P
Trade 96
Toronto Trade: Levi Greenwood + Nat 14 + Michael Jamison
Moscow Trade: Ryan Griffen
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Believe Griffen isnt worth this
Admin Comments: Seems a clear winner still, but no real issue
Final result: PASSED
Trade 97
Berlin trade: Reece Conca + Pick 66
New Delhi trade: Jordan Murdoch + Ben Sinclair
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Feels like Conca is worth more
Admin Comments: Think Conca is a star, but the two players could be worth it
Final result: PASSED
Trade 98
New York give: Will Hoskin-Elliott
London give: Pick 11 and Ben Lennon
Votes against: 6
Coach Comments: Believe London are paying way over for Hoskin-Elliott
Admin Comments: Agree, sorry guys. You guys have time to renegotiate (dont need to worry about the deadline, add a week to it).
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 99
Dublin trade: Pick 57
NDT trade: James Podsiadly
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 100
Dublin trade: Pick 39
Beijing trade: Tanner Smith.
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 101
Seoul give: Tom Scully + n19 + n41
Christchurch give: N12 + N26 + N33
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Seoul winning this trade too heavily
Admin Comments: No issue, basically Scully for Pick 12, but Scully can still go on with it
Final result: PASSED
Trade 102
Cape Town give: Jack Darling + Nat 48 + Nat 70
New Delhi give: George Horlin-Smith + Shane Savage
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Darling too valuable for this trade
Admin Comments: Seems fairish
Final result: PASSED
Trade 103
NDT Give: N29
London Give: Dan Gorringe + N47
Votes against: 1
Coach Comments: Gorringe worth a lot more than this
Admin Comments: Gamble on whether Gorringe goes on with it, seems fairish
Final result: PASSED
Trade 104
Rio Give: Nat 24 + Nat 25
Christchurch Give: H.McIntosh +Nat 30 + Nat 41
Votes against: 2
Coach Comments: One feels Rio winning by too much, One feels Christchurch winning by too much
Admin Comments: Meh
Final result: PASSED
Trade 105
New Delhi give: N66
Christchurch give: Jack Hannath
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 106
Dildos trade: Pick 90
Christchurch trade: Dennis Armfield
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 107
Cairo trade: Tory Dickson
Christchurch trade: pick 85
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 108
Christchurch trade: Kristian Jaksch, picks 43 and 79
Tokyo trade: Picks 16 and 63
Votes against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 109
Mexico City give: Scott Thompson (Crows) + Pick 68
Dublin give: Shaun Grigg + George Hewett + Pick 37
Votes against: 2
Coach Comments: One coach feels Mexico City wins, one coach feels Dublin wins
Admin Comments: Not a huge fan, but is fine
Final result: PASSED
And again... It'll chop off anything with an apostrophe if your copy/pasting it Oz :(
stupid thing. Done now
Wow all passed.
Very happy got some good but old depth
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 04:01:03 PM
We would have got our trade results if it wasn't for that meddling bug!
...and if you have have voted 2 days ago :P
Meow pls.
Quote from: Holz on November 07, 2014, 04:11:06 PM
Wow all passed.
Very happy got some good but old depth
Probably meant your own trades, but confirming 98 failed
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 04:01:03 PM
We would have got our trade results if it wasn't for that meddling bug!
...and if you have have voted 2 days ago :P
Meow pls.
I'm on my phone so the typo wasn't entirely my fault! I know that is what you're talking about.
On an unrelated note
99 averaging, 25 year old forward
DAYNE ZORKO is also available to be traded in a deal similar to the Chris Yarran offer.
264 points worth of captaincy (I'm going to value him at 240, practically giving him away!), 24 year old
TOM ROCKLIFF is also available to be traded in a 2-for-2 swap of players, most likely both midfielders.
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
264 points worth of captaincy (I'm going to value him at 240, practically giving him away!), 24 year old TOM ROCKLIFF is also available to be traded in a 2-for-2 swap of players, most likely both midfielders.
NDT offer the whole NDT side excluding ZDawson (obviously)
Quote from: Ricochet on November 07, 2014, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
264 points worth of captaincy (I'm going to value him at 240, practically giving him away!), 24 year old TOM ROCKLIFF is also available to be traded in a 2-for-2 swap of players, most likely both midfielders.
NDT offer the whole NDT side excluding ZDawson (obviously)
That'd probably put me under the points cap.
Surely someone is taking the piss negging that Gorringe trade? Lol
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 04:54:38 PM
Surely someone is taking the piss negging that Gorringe trade? Lol
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I didn't like it heaps... mainly because I don't rate Gorringe at all, but it wasn't a trade that was worth negging.
Luckily everyone else see's it as fair.
So now we have Nicholls + Gorringe... just need to get ZSmith somehow
Quote from: Ricochet on November 07, 2014, 05:01:06 PM
Luckily everyone else see's it as fair.
So now we have Nicholls + Gorringe... just need to get ZSmith somehow
Nicholls, Warnock, Hampson, Nankervis and Renouf not enough for ya? :P
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 07, 2014, 05:01:06 PM
Luckily everyone else see's it as fair.
So now we have Nicholls + Gorringe... just need to get ZSmith somehow
Nicholls, Warnock, Hampson, Nankervis and Renouf not enough for ya? :P
Haha well Hammo's gone and Renouf has been delisted. After relying on only Hampson last year... we can never have enough lol
Spud city!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 05:07:05 PM
Spud city!
used to be*
now its Young Potential City ;)
Nicholls, Gorringe, Nankervis, Hannath
Quote from: Ricochet on November 07, 2014, 05:01:06 PM
Luckily everyone else see's it as fair.
So now we have Nicholls + Gorringe... just need to get ZSmith somehow
lol good luck ;)
actually don't need him... Nicholls > Gorringe >>>>> ZSmith ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on November 07, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
actually don't need him... Nicholls > Gorringe >>>>> ZSmith ;)
Delusional :P
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/11/20/1226200/635255-chris-yarran.jpg)
89 unsubbed, 24 year old Chris Yarran is on the table.
Looking for an older defender with similar scoring output + a top 10 pick, or a fair swap of players in another 2-for-2 trade, again most likely involving a mid.
Premo defenders don't seem to exist, and a 24 year old premo defender is unheard of!
Lol good luck, when I traded him for Lids people thought he was a spud ::) ::)
19 year old Blake Acres who has just signed a 4 year deal with the Saints is on the table.
Looking for good defenders under 27.
Quote from: Vinny on November 07, 2014, 05:48:47 PM
19 year old Blake Acres who has just signed a 4 year deal with the Saints is on the table.
Looking for good defenders under 27.
Good luck, you'll probably need it. :P
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
89 unsubbed, 24 year old Chris Yarran is on the table.
Looking for an older defender with similar scoring output + a top 10 pick, or a fair swap of players in another 2-for-2 trade, again most likely involving a mid.
Premo defenders don't seem to exist, and a 24 year old premo defender is unheard of!
Lol good luck, when I traded him for Lids people thought he was a spud ::) ::)
I'm happy for him to keep being a spud while putting up premo defender numbers.
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
89 unsubbed, 24 year old Chris Yarran is on the table.
Looking for an older defender with similar scoring output + a top 10 pick, or a fair swap of players in another 2-for-2 trade, again most likely involving a mid.
Premo defenders don't seem to exist, and a 24 year old premo defender is unheard of!
Lol good luck, when I traded him for Lids people thought he was a spud ::) ::)
I'm happy for him to keep being a spud while putting up premo defender numbers.
No, I agree with you. He's a good scorer and he's still quite young.
what do you think we need to add to get the WHE deal done with london?
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 07, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
what do you think we need to add to get the WHE deal done with london?
For the record we passed all the trades this time but I did make a comment on this one to Chumps/Ossie as I felt it was the most uneven of the lot and it was this:
Pass although I think London are giving up a bit much for WHE (Essentially picks 11 and 12 (Lennon from last year).Although WHE was drafted at Pick 4 I don't think he's worth two first round picks in return.
I reckon a second round pick + Lennon would get the deal done.
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 07, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
what do you think we need to add to get the WHE deal done with london?
Don't know why so many coaches negged it
WHE went pick 4, and is GWS best 22, where as Lennon went 12 and is not in their best 22
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 07, 2014, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 07, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
what do you think we need to add to get the WHE deal done with london?
Don't know why so many coaches negged it
WHE went pick 4, and is GWS best 22, where as Lennon went 12 and is not in their best 22
I thought the deal was fine and didn't neg it, but I think Lennon will be best 22 next year. If not at round one, he will be by the end of the year.
i'd be interested to know if it's the same coach that seems to be the 1 that negs a trade? of if it's just random if it's the one coach your a stooge
We neg'd it, basically for a combination of the reason Memph has given above and what JROO said.
While WHE is good, Beatle will be best 22 in 2015 plus has DPP and should be as good a scorer as WHE so London are giving up too much. A second or third round pick plus Beatle for WHE would probably do it, depending on the pick.
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 08:06:30 PM
We neg'd it, basically for a combination of the reason Memph has given above and what JROO said.
While WHE is good, Beatle will be best 22 in 2015 plus has DPP and should be as good a scorer as WHE so London are giving up too much. A second or third round pick plus Beatle for WHE would probably do it, depending on the pick.
^This. WHE is at GWS so of course he's going to play more early. Lennon not that far off either and a high pick as well. A lower pick would probably get it through.
I am both surprised and delighted that only one person negged our deal and that the person who did thought the Darling side won :P
Darling is decent but Horlin-Smith has been touted as a future Geelong captain (and we all know how the current one goes) and shows signs he'll become a star in the coming seasons and break out this year.
To get Savage as well who averaged 90.1 since he forced his way back in to the Saints side and should be a defender next year for the addition of a couple of picks on our side is an absolute bargain in my opinion.
But, by the same token I bet NDT think they won this one as well :P
WHE has shown he can play. Lennon and Pick 11 have shown nothing. Fair trade every day of the week
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
WHE has shown he can play. Lennon and Pick 11 have shown nothing. Fair trade every day of the week
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
WHE has shown he can play. Lennon and Pick 11 have shown nothing. Fair trade every day of the week
And he's a pick 4. Surely his value has gone up a little?
Even if it hasn't, pick 11 + 12 for pick 4 would be probably be fair, wouldn't it?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
WHE has shown he can play. Lennon and Pick 11 have shown nothing. Fair trade every day of the week
This is what I think too
Lennon isn't in the Tiges best 22, and 11 could be anything
WHE is a guaranteed starter at GWS and will only get much better
Very surprised it got negged
Holy subjectivity Batman.
Didn't really think there was anything wrong with the trade either. Agree with the above that Lennon should assert himself in the Richmond 22 next year, so NYR might have won out in the end, but even so it's a big IF, so was even enough to pass.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
WHE has shown he can play. Lennon and Pick 11 have shown nothing. Fair trade every day of the week
And he's a pick 4. Surely his value has gone up a little?
Even if it hasn't, pick 11 + 12 for pick 4 would be probably be fair, wouldn't it?
I wouldn't give up 4 for WHE though, not sure he has lived up to the 4 tag. Lennon was a pick 12 but in fantasy he should go top 7-8
WHE has been playing for 3 seasons and averages 68. Pick 11 could step in and do that in year 1. Writing off a former pick 12 as being next to worthless after 1 season is kind of odd. Dane Swan played 0 games in his first season, and 3 in his second.
Quote from: Holz on November 07, 2014, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
WHE has shown he can play. Lennon and Pick 11 have shown nothing. Fair trade every day of the week
And he's a pick 4. Surely his value has gone up a little?
Even if it hasn't, pick 11 + 12 for pick 4 would be probably be fair, wouldn't it?
I wouldn't give up 4 for WHE though, not sure he has lived up to the 4 tag. Lennon was a pick 12 but in fantasy he should go top 7-8
Yeah, I think long term that Beatle will be a better fantasy prospect than WHE.
Could be interesting to see who Pick 11 is in this year's draft (WXV) and how they go after a season or two. Based on the talent in this year's pool London definitely giving up too much imo anyway (and I do like and rate WHE).
So what do you guys think is fair?
If we added a 3rd round pick, say Pick 42 plus WHE for 11 and Lennon, is that fair?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 07, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
So what do you guys think is fair?
If we added a 3rd round pick, say Pick 42 plus WHE for 11 and Lennon, is that fair?
Yeah, as one of the coaches who negged it, I'd be fine with that.
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 08:30:36 PM
WHE has been playing for 3 seasons and averages 68. Pick 11 could step in and do that in year 1. Writing off a former pick 12 as being next to worthless after 1 season is kind of odd. Dane Swan played 0 games in his first season, and 3 in his second.
Not everything is about stats
He has huge potential plays a lot like Fyfe and will be M/F
I would of traded LeCras for him but Jbs stopped me lol :(
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 08:30:36 PM
WHE has been playing for 3 seasons and averages 68. Pick 11 could step in and do that in year 1. Writing off a former pick 12 as being next to worthless after 1 season is kind of odd. Dane Swan played 0 games in his first season, and 3 in his second.
Not everything is about stats
He has huge potential plays a lot like Fyfe and will be M/F
I would of traded LeCras for him but Jbs stopped me lol :(
I'd say 2 first round picks have plenty of potential themselves.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 07, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
So what do you guys think is fair?
If we added a 3rd round pick, say Pick 42 plus WHE for 11 and Lennon, is that fair?
I think an early 2nd rounder is fair but this is close enough to let pass.
WHE has cemented his spot though Lennon hasn't and neither has whoever they pick
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 07, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
WHE has shown he can play. Lennon and Pick 11 have shown nothing. Fair trade every day of the week
Trade me all your draft picks for Tony Armstrong. He has shown he can play (twice in one day!), all your picks have shown nothing.
Just cause they haven't shown anything after 1 year or in this case even no years doesn't kill their value. Not every gun plays straight away.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 08:55:47 PM
WHE has cemented his spot though Lennon hasn't and neither has whoever they pick
Lennon couldn't cement his spot in his first season because he wasn't fully AFL ready like Dunstan for example and player who hasn't even been drafted obviously can't either, but for all we know he very well could in 2015.
WHE has had three years to 'cement his spot' and didn't even do so until this season.
It's easier for young players to walk into shower teams. Richmond aren't totally shower so it's harder to break into their side. WHE was handed a starting spot at GWS on a silver platter, it wasn't like he had to force established AFL players out of the side.
Whatever NY just unlucky to many Tigers supporters in this comp
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 09:07:29 PM
Whatever NY just unlucky to many Tigers supporters in this comp
???
Lol kb, have already said I didn't have a problem with it ;)
Quote from: Toga on November 07, 2014, 09:16:52 PM
Lol kb, have already said I didn't have a problem with it ;)
Pretty simple for us
WHE just = n11
so last years first rounder was just too much
A late 2nd rounder / early 3rd would make it fair for us RD
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 07, 2014, 09:16:52 PM
Lol kb, have already said I didn't have a problem with it ;)
Yea but 1 tiger supporter is one too many :P
All these guys can move for suitable deals, get in with an offer if your keen.
Anthony Liam 137
Ashby Jason 205
Ballard Jacob 0
Barry Dominic 36
Bates Zachary 0
Darley Sam 144
Duryea Taylor 1002
Grimley Sam 0
Hamling Joel 0
Hocking Heath 1049
Jansen Jarrad 0
Keeffe Lachlan 904
Lucas Kane 258
Macaffer Brent 919
Maister Beau 144
Maxwell Nick 597
McGlynn Ben 1465
Roberts Fletcher 128
Roughead Jordan 681
Russell Luke 561
Wanganeen Derick 11
White Spencer 0
GROUNDBREAKING DEAL TO BE POSTED SOON BY PNL :o :o :o :o :o.
No matter how many times you ask us about Dawson, we're not flowering trading him HP! :P
Quote from: elephants on November 07, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
No matter how many times you ask us about Dawson, we're not flowering trading him HP! :P
AHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: elephants on November 07, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
No matter how many times you ask us about Dawson, we're not flowering trading him HP! :P
Be cool El, we threw Priddis for him and you guys still said no!
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 07, 2014, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 07, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
No matter how many times you ask us about Dawson, we're not flowering trading him HP! :P
Be cool El, we threw Priddis for him and you guys still said no!
How could Priddis possibly inspire Mumbai ???
Wilbur is very confused he was told he is the only ruck Christchurch need
JROO finally got Rocky. :o
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
JROO finally got Rocky. :o
I'm more excited about getting Lonergan, tbh :P
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
JROO finally got Rocky. :o
I'm more excited about getting Lonergan, tbh :P
In that case:
Mexico give: Tom Rockliff
Cairo give: Dave's favourite pencil that he actually stole from Pk before ML snapped it in half.
JROO to confirm.
8)
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
JROO finally got Rocky. :o
I'm more excited about getting Lonergan, tbh :P
In that case:
Mexico give: Tom Rockliff
Cairo give: Dave's favourite pencil that he actually stole from Pk before ML snapped it in half.
JROO to confirm.
8)
Declined.
If only you still had Mackie :-\
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 11:07:54 PM
Wilbur is very confused he was told he is the only ruck Christchurch need
Wilbur will be the only ruckman. Sandi is more of a utility type.
Grundy could be on his way. Now is the time to make an offer for Collingwood's future premium first ruck :)
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 11:04:50 PM
(even though Wilbur is the only ruck I need)
I love this line haha
Very surprised by the trading you are doing Meow, makes no sense to me but it'll probably work out for you. :P
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 11:13:50 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
JROO finally got Rocky. :o
I'm more excited about getting Lonergan, tbh :P
In that case:
Mexico give: Tom Rockliff
Cairo give: Dave's favourite pencil that he actually stole from Pk before ML snapped it in half.
JROO to confirm.
8)
Declined.
If only you still had Mackie :-\
OH MY GOD NIGE I TOLD YOU NOT TO TRADE MACKIE FFS.
On an unrelated note, I shall be joining the Suns in 2015.
Quote from: GoLions on November 07, 2014, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 11:13:50 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 07, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 07, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
JROO finally got Rocky. :o
I'm more excited about getting Lonergan, tbh :P
In that case:
Mexico give: Tom Rockliff
Cairo give: Dave's favourite pencil that he actually stole from Pk before ML snapped it in half.
JROO to confirm.
8)
Declined.
If only you still had Mackie :-\
OH MY GOD NIGE I TOLD YOU NOT TO TRADE MACKIE FFS.
On an unrelated note, I shall be joining the Suns in 2015.
meh you want defenders around that level or higher PNL is where it is at :P
Quote from: Vinny on November 07, 2014, 11:19:25 PM
Very surprised by the trading you are doing Meow, makes no sense to me but it'll probably work out for you. :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 07, 2014, 11:41:30 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 07, 2014, 11:19:25 PM
Very surprised by the trading you are doing Meow, makes no sense to me but it'll probably work out for you. :P
This is why:
Jack Gunston and Travis Boak FOR Tom Rockliff and Josh Green
Tom Rockliff and Sam Gilbert FOR Bryce Gibbs and Aaron Sandilands
So essentially you have gone: Gunston, Boak and Gilbert FOR Gibbs, Sandilands and Green.
:o
Quote from: Vinny on November 07, 2014, 11:46:50 PM
This is why:
Jack Gunston and Travis Boak FOR Tom Rockliff and Josh Green
Tom Rockliff and Sam Gilbert FOR Bryce Gibbs and Aaron Sandilands
So essentially you have gone: Gunston, Boak and Gilbert FOR Gibbs, Sandilands and Green.
:o
Haha as you said, watch this will work out. :P
Gibbs > Boak
Green >> Gilbert
Gun > Sandi
Ted Richards, Trent West, Jacob Townsend, Tayte Pears, Sam Lloyd, Ashley Smith, Nicholas O'Brien, Tim Golds, Will Hams, Daniel Flynn, Mitch Clisby, Brodie Murdoch, Alex Browne, Jared Rivers are all on the table. Looking for defenders or picks/pick upgrades.
Quote from: Vinny on November 07, 2014, 11:46:50 PM
This is why:
Jack Gunston and Travis Boak FOR Tom Rockliff and Josh Green
Tom Rockliff and Sam Gilbert FOR Bryce Gibbs and Aaron Sandilands
So essentially you have gone: Gunston, Boak and Gilbert FOR Gibbs, Sandilands and Green.
:o
Isn't the aim of the game to score the most points?
Gibbs = Boak
Green = Gilbert
Sandi > Gunston (20 points)
Obviously Sandi is getting old, but that's the price I have to pay for a small improvement in the output of the best XV now.
In 2 years Sandi and Gilbert will be gone, Boak and Gibbs will still be even, and Gunston will be outscoring Green by 20 points.
There's nothing wrong with making fair, even trades.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 07, 2014, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 07, 2014, 08:30:36 PM
WHE has been playing for 3 seasons and averages 68. Pick 11 could step in and do that in year 1. Writing off a former pick 12 as being next to worthless after 1 season is kind of odd. Dane Swan played 0 games in his first season, and 3 in his second.
Not everything is about stats
He has huge potential plays a lot like Fyfe and will be M/F
I would of traded LeCras for him but Jbs stopped me lol :(
Seriously? I had no idea! That's a great call though. You don't need to tell me about his talent. I drafted him to Moscow, and before he had played an AFL game...
Quote from: meow meow on November 24, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
Chuffed with Will Hoskin-Elliott. Skill galore = score galore. Think a fast version of Fyfe.
do you want a medal or something?
Wouldn't mind one.
He may move like Fyfe, but in terms of SC scoring... he is no where near it.
Fyfe averaged 108 in only his second year
Compared to WHE in his 3rd year who had two and only two scores over 100 (102 and 110).
They were similar players in the U/18's but the difference is that Fyfe put on some bulk and is now a contested ball winning machine who had big midfield minutes. WHE has shown no signs of doing that, so his scoring is going to be limited. WHE shouldn't even have mid status. He's not going to average any more than 80. There's a couple of players who might be around at 11 who have all the tools to dish up a 75 average in their first year so the trade was uneven.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 08, 2014, 01:51:19 AM
do you want a medal or something?
If you're giving them out, I'll take one.
Quote from: meow meow on November 08, 2014, 12:53:59 AM
Quote from: Vinny on November 07, 2014, 11:46:50 PM
This is why:
Jack Gunston and Travis Boak FOR Tom Rockliff and Josh Green
Tom Rockliff and Sam Gilbert FOR Bryce Gibbs and Aaron Sandilands
So essentially you have gone: Gunston, Boak and Gilbert FOR Gibbs, Sandilands and Green.
:o
Isn't the aim of the game to score the most points?
Gibbs = Boak
Green = Gilbert
Sandi > Gunston (20 points)
Obviously Sandi is getting old, but that's the price I have to pay for a small improvement in the output of the best XV now.
In 2 years Sandi and Gilbert will be gone, Boak and Gibbs will still be even, and Gunston will be outscoring Green by 20 points.
There's nothing wrong with making fair, even trades.
I didn't say the trade was unfair, I just said it didn't make sense to me and I wouldn't have done it myself.
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 08, 2014, 03:17:20 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 08, 2014, 01:51:19 AM
do you want a medal or something?
If you're giving them out, I'll take one.
Better get one for Dave too or he'll get upset.
Come on guys. When Swan was traded for Scharenberg (#5 Pick last year, #3 in WXV draft) you all said that Swan was worth much more than that and rejected it. Obviously he isn't worth a Top 5 pick but no one is offering anything half decent at all. :(
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 10:37:18 AM
Come on guys. When Swan was traded for Scharenberg (#5 Pick last year, #3 in WXV draft) you all said that Swan was worth much more than that and rejected it. Obviously he isn't worth a Top 5 pick but no one is offering anything half decent at all. :(
Pick 50? :P
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 10:37:18 AM
Come on guys. When Swan was traded for Scharenberg (#5 Pick last year, #3 in WXV draft) you all said that Swan was worth much more than that and rejected it. Obviously he isn't worth a Top 5 pick but no one is offering anything half decent at all. :(
thought you had a deal for swan already
that is what you told me :P
I did but it fell through. :(
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 10:53:58 AM
I did but it fell through. :(
i see
well you know what i got
but doubt you like that :P
Nah, Vinnamon was just bluffing to see if he could actually get any offers ;)
Hahaha nah I legit had one.
We believe you.
Quote from: GoLions on November 08, 2014, 11:03:56 AM
Nah, Vinnamon was just bluffing to see if he could actually get any offers ;)
either way he knows my offer
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 11:05:23 AM
Hahaha nah I legit had one.
I'll give you another former top 5 pick for him in Plowman :P ;)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 08, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 11:05:23 AM
Hahaha nah I legit had one.
I'll give you another former top 5 pick for him in Plowman :P ;)
A top 3 WXV pick wasn't enough
Quote from: Holz on November 08, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 08, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 11:05:23 AM
Hahaha nah I legit had one.
I'll give you another former top 5 pick for him in Plowman :P ;)
A top 3 WXV pick wasn't enough
Who is coming off a very long term foot injury and has now just done his ACL.
Make sure you tell the full story :p
Quote from: elephants on November 08, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 08, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 08, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 11:05:23 AM
Hahaha nah I legit had one.
I'll give you another former top 5 pick for him in Plowman :P ;)
A top 3 WXV pick wasn't enough
Who is coming off a very long term foot injury and has now just done his ACL.
Make sure you tell the full story :p
...who you got for Brodie Martin who is 26 and has played 35 games (pathetic) and Taberner who showed some good signs during the season (65 from 7 games), but also showed his true colours in the finals when he dished up scores of 14 and 15 (pathetic)
Somehow that trade passed, so that's what people in this competition think Shaz is worth. That is a hell of a long way off being a WXV pick 3. More like pick 30.
Quote from: meow meow on November 08, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 08, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 08, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 08, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
Quote from: Vinny on November 08, 2014, 11:05:23 AM
Hahaha nah I legit had one.
I'll give you another former top 5 pick for him in Plowman :P ;)
A top 3 WXV pick wasn't enough
Who is coming off a very long term foot injury and has now just done his ACL.
Make sure you tell the full story :p
...who you got for Brodie Martin who is 26 and has played 35 games (pathetic) and Taberner who showed some good signs during the season (65 from 7 games), but also showed his true colours in the finals when he dished up scores of 14 and 15 (pathetic)
Somehow that trade passed, so that's what people in this competition think Shaz is worth. That is a hell of a long way off being a WXV pick 3. More like pick 30.
People are mistaken.
In ten10 we got offered Luke McDonald who was a top 5 pick and rejected it.
I'm happy to keep him.
99 averaging 25 year old Zorko + a pick on the table for two 80ish averaging forwards.
Quote from: meow meow on November 08, 2014, 09:27:43 PM
99 averaging 25 year old Zorko + a pick on the table for two 80ish averaging forwards.
Plugger and Dunstall suffice? ;D
Quote from: brad on November 08, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 08, 2014, 09:27:43 PM
99 averaging 25 year old Zorko + a pick on the table for two 80ish averaging forwards.
Plugger and Duntall suffice? ;D
If you can throw in Ron Todd then we'll talk.
Quote from: meow meow on November 08, 2014, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: brad on November 08, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 08, 2014, 09:27:43 PM
99 averaging 25 year old Zorko + a pick on the table for two 80ish averaging forwards.
Plugger and Duntall suffice? ;D
If you can throw in Ron Todd then we'll talk.
alright, throw Justin Koschitzke my way and we got a deal
With the trade period nearly over, we are putting a few players on the table one last time
Tom Liberatore - We would require a gun mid in return, or possibly a gun forward
Matthew Stokes - Solid forward or decent draft pick
Todd Elton - Plenty of Tiger supporters around here and he is on their senior list so happy to take a depth forward or pick
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 08, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
With the trade period nearly over, we are putting a few players on the table one last time
Tom Liberatore - We would require a gun mid in return, or possibly a gun forward
Matthew Stokes - Solid forward or decent draft pick
Todd Elton - Plenty of Tiger supporters around here and he is on their senior list so happy to take a depth forward or pick
Just a further comment - Would take a lot to move Libba.
Stokes and Elton we will be pretty flexible in getting deals worked out. PM me or Raisy
trading Libba would be madness
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 08, 2014, 11:17:01 PM
trading Libba would be madness
With Griffen not there who gets the tag?
Libba did not handle it at all well this year.
As we said it would take a really good deal to move him but we are open to it.
still really young but has time to learn how to beat tags
Macrae a good chance to get the tag
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 08, 2014, 11:28:07 PM
still really young but has time to learn how to beat tags
Macrae a good chance to get the tag
We have him as well. You trying to tell me something KB :P
Roberts Fletcher
Maister Beau
Macaffer Brent
Hocking Heath
Hamling Joel
Bates Zachary
Ballard Jacob
for sale we want picks
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 08, 2014, 11:30:05 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 08, 2014, 11:28:07 PM
still really young but has time to learn how to beat tags
Macrae a good chance to get the tag
We have him as well. You trying to tell me something KB :P
Having both, wouldn't it be smart to keep them together?
I'd tag Macrae before Libba though.
With the trade period ending tonight, I'm happy to talk trades. If there's anything you like from my team just send me a PM.
Basically this is how I rate my list
I'll pay you to take them
Brent Moloney, Ryan O'Keefe, Cameron Hitchcock, Adam Carter, Tim McGenniss, Daniel Pearce, Dylan Addison, Brendon Ah Chee, Sam Siggins
Don't have much value, so happy to keep
Kamdyn McIntosh, Lloyd Perris, Jake Barrett, Josh Prudden, Liam McBean, Kieren Harper, Brady Grey, Daniel Robinson, Jesse Lonergan*
On the table for a fair deal
James Kelly, Brian Lake, Shaun Grigg, Taylor Hunt, Lindsay Thomas, Craig Moller, Sam Gilbert*
Looking to keep, but could be persuaded by the right offer
Scott D. Thompson, Luke Hodge, Brendon Goddard, Brad Ebert, Brent Harvey, Nick Riewoldt, Matt Pavlich, Leigh Montagna*
Unlikely to trade
Shannon Hurn, Matthew Broadbent, Steele Sidebottom, Jordan Lewis, Brett Deledio, Allen Christensen, Jimmy Bartel, Ivan Maric, Shaun Hampson, Tom Rockliff*
Wait, just to clarify does the trade period close tonight or tomorrow night?
I took this as meaning it will close at 11.59PM Monday the 10th of November (tomorrow)
Quote from: ossie85 on August 31, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Finish date: 11:59pm 10th November
Quote from: Toga on November 09, 2014, 02:17:44 PM
Wait, just to clarify does the trade period close tonight or tomorrow night?
I took this as meaning it will close at 11.59PM Monday the 10th of November (tomorrow)
Quote from: ossie85 on August 31, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Finish date: 11:59pm 10th November
Oh, haha didn't even realise that.
Just assumed trading finishes tonight, due to votes going out on Mondays.
I thought it was tomorrow night.
why is it ending so early anyway draft still 2 weeks away
Think it's for list management and time to decide on that. Also because the trades that get negged this coming week get another one trying to fix it up.
fair enough i guess just bxv and axviii sc trade periods go longer but they dont have trade voting
Can we please have a transfer deadline day like the English Premier League does?
In other word - everyone get yourself online, (in to a chat forum perhaps?) and come prepared with a list of guys you're willing to trade and then unleash the chaos!
PS - Are you kidding me?
I haven't had issues with any Dublin trades really so far but this one wow. How on earth do you keep getting people to agree to these deals Holz?
Trading ends tomorrow....
so would have to be then
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 09, 2014, 05:06:55 PM
PS - Are you kidding me?
I haven't had issues with any Dublin trades really so far but this one wow. How on earth do you keep getting people to agree to these deals Holz?
He's got quite the way with words.
brain washing people :P
Quote from: Nige on November 09, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 09, 2014, 05:06:55 PM
PS - Are you kidding me?
I haven't had issues with any Dublin trades really so far but this one wow. How on earth do you keep getting people to agree to these deals Holz?
He's got quite the way with words.
I hear he does things for coaches. Sex things.
Quote from: GoLions on November 09, 2014, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 09, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 09, 2014, 05:06:55 PM
PS - Are you kidding me?
I haven't had issues with any Dublin trades really so far but this one wow. How on earth do you keep getting people to agree to these deals Holz?
He's got quite the way with words.
I hear he does things for coaches. Sex things.
LOL Gold GL
gave me a good chuckle
maybe he needs to do those things for all the coaches then so his trades get approved
It was my idea to add Boak and Bennell to the original offer from Holz which we of course would say no to
I see Boak outscoring Libba next year now that Libba is going to get tagged every week. As Port's Midfield get more experience Boak will be able to increase his output and put the taggers to bed.
Boak 105 + Gunston 90 vs Libba 110 + Bennell 95
Based on this years averages we lose 10 points, but gain a permanent forward instead of a stop-gap solution for only 1 year.
Very happy to do the trade.
Boak 105 + Gunston 90 vs Libba 110 + Bennell 95
27yrs old 24yrs old 23yrs old 23yrs old
you lose on points and age ???
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
Boak 105 + Gunston 90 vs Libba 110 + Bennell 95
27yrs old 24yrs old 23yrs old 23yrs old
you lose on points and age ???
Based on last year.
Libba won't outscore Boak next year. Gunston helps with structure. Clear win for our side.
I have no problems with the trade, just think it's high risk for low reward
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 09, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
Boak 105 + Gunston 90 vs Libba 110 + Bennell 95
27yrs old 24yrs old 23yrs old 23yrs old
you lose on points and age ???
Based on last year.
Libba won't outscore Boak next year. Gunston helps with structure. Clear win for our side.
How does trading a forward for a forward and a mid for a mid help the structure?
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 09, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
Boak 105 + Gunston 90 vs Libba 110 + Bennell 95
27yrs old 24yrs old 23yrs old 23yrs old
you lose on points and age ???
Based on last year.
Libba won't outscore Boak next year. Gunston helps with structure. Clear win for our side.
How does trading a forward for a forward and a mid for a mid help the structure?
You honestly think Bennell will stay a Forward? No issues from me.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 09, 2014, 05:44:54 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 09, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
Boak 105 + Gunston 90 vs Libba 110 + Bennell 95
27yrs old 24yrs old 23yrs old 23yrs old
you lose on points and age ???
Based on last year.
Libba won't outscore Boak next year. Gunston helps with structure. Clear win for our side.
How does trading a forward for a forward and a mid for a mid help the structure?
You honestly think Bennell will stay a Forward? No issues from me.
Do you honestly think Benell will lose it?
Bennell plays most his time as a forward, lets make him pure defender ???
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 09, 2014, 05:34:09 PM
I see Boak outscoring Libba next year now that Libba is going to get tagged every week.
Macrae will be first tagged.
Trade is fine. Holz wins slightly but not dramatically
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 09, 2014, 05:44:54 PM
Quote from: nrich102 on November 09, 2014, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 09, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
Boak 105 + Gunston 90 vs Libba 110 + Bennell 95
27yrs old 24yrs old 23yrs old 23yrs old
you lose on points and age ???
Based on last year.
Libba won't outscore Boak next year. Gunston helps with structure. Clear win for our side.
How does trading a forward for a forward and a mid for a mid help the structure?
You honestly think Bennell will stay a Forward? No issues from me.
Do you honestly think Benell will lose it?
Bennell plays most his time as a forward, lets make him pure defender ???
Which idiot said he should be made pure defender? I (and many others) believe he will be pure Mid within 3 seasons.
Lol what are you guys even arguing about?
Think the trade is ok, Holz is building a young powerhouse side, going to be very scary for a long time!
Libba > Boak
Bennell > Gunston
But clearly AK/RD are after Gunston as he'll be a fwd his whole career, Harley won't be.
Quote from: Toga on November 09, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
Holz is building a young powerhouse side, going to be very scary for a long time!
That's exactly what this is about.
Holz has been telling me this for the past six months, his plan is basically to never bottom out by using his superior trading skillz to keep his team top of Worlds 5eva. :P
Yeah that's fine, that's the aim of the game.
Nothing wrong with the trade especially since Bennell will only be a forward for a year or two so trading him at his highest value isn't the worst idea.
Quote from: Vinny on November 09, 2014, 06:36:49 PM
Yeah that's fine, that's the aim of the game.
Nothing wrong with the trade especially since Bennell will only be a forward for a year or two so trading him at his highest value isn't the worst idea.
Yeah, I agree.
It's not easy, but Holz makes it seem effortless.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 05:56:38 PM
Libba > Boak
Bennell > Gunston
But clearly AK/RD are after Gunston as he'll be a fwd his whole career, Harley won't be.
Gunston > Bennell
Even trade.
Quote from: Jayman on November 09, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 05:56:38 PM
Libba > Boak
Bennell > Gunston
But clearly AK/RD are after Gunston as he'll be a fwd his whole career, Harley won't be.
Gunston > Bennell
Even trade.
Bennell > Gunston
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: Jayman on November 09, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 05:56:38 PM
Libba > Boak
Bennell > Gunston
But clearly AK/RD are after Gunston as he'll be a fwd his whole career, Harley won't be.
Gunston > Bennell
Even trade.
Bennell > Gunston
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: Jayman on November 09, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 05:56:38 PM
Libba > Boak
Bennell > Gunston
But clearly AK/RD are after Gunston as he'll be a fwd his whole career, Harley won't be.
Gunston > Bennell
Even trade.
Bennell > Gunston
Gunston > Bennell.
Gunston is a forward, Bennell is not (in the long run). Surprised anyone would even trade him.
Quote from: Boomz on November 08, 2014, 12:23:07 AM
Ted Richards, Trent West, Jacob Townsend, Tayte Pears, Sam Lloyd, Ashley Smith, Nicholas O'Brien, Tim Golds, Will Hams, Daniel Flynn, Mitch Clisby, Brodie Murdoch, Alex Browne, Jared Rivers, Seb Ross are all on the table. Looking for defenders or picks/pick upgrades.
All still on the table. Could move on Suckling (decent age & 80+ average minimum) too if it was for a better defender. Suban too for the right deal.
Pretty happy to just sit on my team until after DPP changes but if anyone wants to get a last minute deal done I can package up forwards such as Kersten, Neade etc for defenders that are best 22 and average 65+.
Would prefer younger guys but don't mind taking an older guy if he has a better average.
Shuey on the table for a premium defender.
Jay Schulz on the table.
Willing to add Pick 15 or/and Chapman.
Looking for premium defenders or forwards.
Yarran is pretty premium with an unsubbed average of 89. There's only 10 backs better than that, and only one of them is younger than him.
If you want him, make an offer!
Anyone have a fwd, to offer (apart from Vinny :P)
;D
y u no like Vinny?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
y u no like Vinny?
Haha, nah I like vinny it's just I've already asked about his fwds.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 09, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
y u no like Vinny?
Haha, nah I like vinny it's just I've already asked about his fwds.
oh damn i was expecting a list :P
To think when I was offered the trade I almost rejected it .
I have massive concerns on libba , he massively struggled when griff was out of the side, he dropped to like an 80 average. He could pick up the tag every week and drop in average. I have a lot of question marks about him but I do want you quality mids and even though he is risky I'm taking the punt.
Sure Boak doesn't have as much upside but he is a safe 105+ , he picks the tag up nearly every week and producers . If people start tagging others he can lift, but it's unlikely he will drop like libba could.
In terms of bennell people in this comp talk him up way way too much. If you think he will stay a forward long term than you should throw half your team at him. I believe he has greater than 75% chance of being dpp next year but I expect him to be a mid only the year after if not the year after that lock it in.
He is a midfielder and I'm hoping he can turn into a 105-110 mid. He is small and injury prone and I can see him always throwing in the low games to ever turn him into an elite midfielder.
Gunston however will always be a forward. Take our his green vest game and he has gone 86 90 the last two seasons as a 23 year old kpp forward. I gave up Rocky to chase this guy.
The way I see it I'm giving a 105-107 mid + 90-93 forward for a 100-115 mid + 105-110 mid.
Sure I have the potential to win on this trade big but I have the potential to lose big too. Boak is a safe quality mid and gunston.is a elite forward back to back at 23. Libba is a guy who has shown potential far above Boak but never been tested with a tag. Bennell is a small framed. Injury prone player who is super inconsistent but showed an ability to Maybe be amazing.
You need to see the downside in these players not just the upside.
I was very very nervous to lock this trade in.
Just a small one for nigey. I do plan to be up the top forever but not because I can manipulate and talk people into trades but because I get players with potential who I value and I feel they pay off more often than not. This trade I'm nervous on.
Scharemberg on the other hand I have soo much more faith in. I actually think he is better than swan but wanted to help the dillos. As soon as I saw they could get something semi decent for him I pulled my trade.
If you're nervous about Libba send him to me. If NY had have offered me that trade for Boak and Gunston I would have taken it in 0.002 seconds.
I feel like the trade is even for both clubs, and there are risks for both teams involved, but that goes with nearly every trade anyway
You don't understand how much I love Libba. He is a tackling machine, which is why he is built for SC. Yeah he will get tagged from time to time, but his stinkers are still low 80's which isn't that bad at all for being tagged, and he has a massive ceiling too
Gunston was the key in this trade for us. He is a KPP who can sit in our forward line for the next 10 years, and playing for the best club should see him averaging around 90+ for years to come. Libba is just as young, but there are much more young mids who can push 115 compared to the lack of YOUNG forwards who can push 90+
I wouldn't do a stand alone trade of Libba for Boak in a million years, because although they both have massive ceilings, Boak puts up more sub 80 scores than Libba does, and consistency is something I rate hugely in SC.
Bennell is the real wild card here, because IMO he is a lock to get DPP in 2015, and I seriously think he could get it beyond 2015 too, but I'm banking on him not getting it, which is why Boak and Gunston as a package should suit us more long term
Just making the change on our team sheet makes our side look so much more balanced now
I don't think this trade is going to backfire horribly for any team and that's the main thing for me.
Last day today gents, best of of luck!
Ok lads last day...
- N3 and N4 are on the table which pretty much locks away 2 of Petrecca Heeney McCartin or Brayshaw.
We are looking for a good mid with one of these picks, or can package one with something else for a captain option.
If we can't move one/both of these then we are more than happy to go to the draft.
- N54, N59, N64, N70, N88 are also on the table.
Looking to either move up the draft or to bring in a player. We're a bit better off now with the cap so not looking for spuds with heaps of points.
- Robbie Warnock also on the table for a fwd or midfielder. Can package up picks or another player for something.
Obviously he is 2nd behind Krooz at the Blues but we know how injury prone he is. In terms of scoring ability he is a lot better than other premo rucks at a similar age. At 26yrs old was the first time Minson went 80+ and he went 82. The first time Sandi went 75+ was 26yrs old. The first time Maric went 73+ was 26 also. At 24 Warnock went 86, at 25 it was 82, then 26 went 88 #gun #premomaterial
- CPearce also on the table. Very good chance to get DEF/FWD status and has produced premo numbers in the past. Was a ball magnet as a junior. 2014 was rough for Clancee off the field involving his child but that's all sorted now and expect him to be back in Freo's 22 in 2015. His ball use is very important to Freo, especially because he can find so much of it.
- Trengove. There's no secret he has had another setback with the screws being taken out of his foot. But the former early draft pick should be back at some point in 2015 and obvioulsy has ability. We could pair him with another pick/player.
We're happy to hold though, as he is basement value atm and will only have greater value at the end of 2015 when he gets back on the park.
- JImpey, ZWilliams, Hartigan, Ellis-Yolmen, DTalia, Cheney, SEdwards, CGiles, ZDawson, JKelly, LRT, Rutten are our current DEF depth and we would like to add a pick or player to one of these boys for a slightly better defender, forward or mid.
- All other players are on the table for a reasonable offers. Ideally we'd like to pair with other picks or players to improve our starting XV
Schulz and Chappy are being shipped off for the highest picks available, seperately.
Unless someone wants to offer a good pick for the package.
Quote from: Master Q on November 09, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: Jayman on November 09, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 09, 2014, 05:56:38 PM
Libba > Boak
Bennell > Gunston
But clearly AK/RD are after Gunston as he'll be a fwd his whole career, Harley won't be.
Gunston > Bennell
Even trade.
Bennell > Gunston
Gunston > Bennell.
Gunston is a forward, Bennell is not (in the long run). Surprised anyone would even trade him.
I disagree with this completely.
I believe Bennell will not only get fwd next season but he will keep it for multiple seasons. The reason? Because of how dangerous he is close to goal. Has anyone actually watched him in action - he's very hard for defenders to stop and has natural goalscoring instincts and the Suns will want to capitalise on this like the Tigers did this year with Dusty.
The Suns will want to continue using him in a midfield/forward picket/flank role because he has more value in this role which means he will keep dpp long term. Especially given how many other good up and coming midifelders they have at the Gold Coast - Hallahan's arrival and Jesse Lonergan's development will mean Bennell getting dpp is even more likely imo.
He'll be like a Devon Smith type at GWS this season except Bennell as a forward with mid time
So Bennell > Gunston and Libba > Boak (due to age). I also think Libba has a lote more potential than Boak due to certain other Dogs players getting a tag in the future when they develop but that's another story.
Holz tries to make a convincing case that he was umming and ahhing about this trade but you're not fooling me - there's a very clear winner of this trade in my opinion.
Last chance to get a defender
Sam Fisher: Yes he has had injury problems and is old, but he is capable of going 90+ and has expressed how keen he is to go on and says his body is right now
Heath Grundy: Can average 75-80, and could possibly even go mid 80's. Is only 28 which for defenders isn't that bad
Michael Firrito: Averaged 75 this year which again is actually very good for defensive cover
If any of these 3 interest you, shoot me a PM
In other news - I will be around all day today to talk last-minute trades.
We're looking to move up the draft order and will also be looking at any deals which could improve our starting XV.
Ted Richards, Trent West, Jacob Townsend, Tayte Pears, Sam Lloyd, Ashley Smith, Nicholas O'Brien, Tim Golds, Will Hams, Daniel Flynn, Mitch Clisby, Brodie Murdoch, Alex Browne, Jared Rivers, Seb Ross are all still available. Keen to upgrade my late picks or get picks no lower than 60...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 10, 2014, 11:58:05 AM
In other news - I will be around all day today to talk last-minute trades.
We're looking to move up the draft order and will also be looking at any deals which could improve our starting XV.
Here's another update for you on the Cobras deadline day trade intentions.
If anyone has any interest in the following players in exchange for a draft pick please let me know.
Alex Johnson, Campbell Heath, Alex Sexton, Josh Cowan, Michael Evans, Jordan Schroder, Matt Dick, Lewis Pierce, Billie Smedts and Peter Yagmoor.
Other players I'm happy to put on the deadline day trade table (for picks or players) are as follows.
James Gwilt, Will Schofield, Brant Colledge, Lachie Plowman, Jimmy Toumpas, Adam Cooney, Craig Bird, Edward Curnow, Trent Dumont, Darcy Lang, Stewart Crameri, Dean Kent, Sam Reid, Mitch Honeychurch, Cam McCarthy and Brandon Jack.
It's highly unlikely we'll trade any of our other players barring a very, very good offer or an adequate replacement.
We would also be happy to package some of our picks for an improved pick in the draft. We currently have (trade pending) Nat 45, 47, 52, 57 and 61
Putting Jason Tutt out there (74 averaging forward), would accept a dinosaur if they score OK. A mid is desired, but will listen to stuff.
If people rate bennell soo highly why haven't people put in huge offers for him..
If you think he is a 100 average forward for the next 10 years, throw your team at him.
Quote from: Holz on November 10, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
Throw your team at him.
Don't think that'd be enough from us :(
Quote from: Holz on November 10, 2014, 02:18:10 PM
If people rate bennell soo highly why haven't people put in huge offers for him..
If you think he is a 100 average forward for the next 10 years, throw your team at him.
I honestly think Bennell could be DPP for the next 2 years or so, ala Danger and Dusty, so there is every chance you come out the winner with this trade, but the reality is that the guarantee of Gunston always being a forward makes the trade fair IMO
Anyway, theres been enough discussion about the trade for now lol, and most people seem to think its fair, with the slight chance that you could be the winner here, but these chances go with every trade made anyway
No one apart from Holz has offered what we wanted for Bennell ( or Libba for that matter)
If people think he is worth more than you should have made a good offer.
I hope it is not negged just because Holz is involved.
Its not as if he has not been available for the whole trade period ::)
He's worth more than I'm willing to pay & have enough forwards. Don't know if others feel the same though.
Quote from: Boomz on November 10, 2014, 02:41:07 PM
He's worth more than I'm willing to pay & have enough forwards.
You guys wanted both Gunston and Devon Smith for him and WHE when I enquired. Said Devon Smith had the same value as WHE ::)
Smith is worth as much as Libba. So by your logic WHE = Libba? No wonder we couldn't work out a trade.
Quote from: meow meow on November 10, 2014, 02:56:34 PM
You guys wanted both Gunston and Devon Smith for him and WHE when I enquired. Said Devon Smith had the same value as WHE ::)
Smith is worth as much as Libba. So by your logic WHE = Libba? No wonder we couldn't work out a trade.
lol
Smith is not worth as much as Libba.
at that time everyone else here was talking up WHE as the next Fyfe. We tried to exploit that.
libba + bennell is not worth Gunston + Smith... yet
As a forward, he is.
Willing to package McVeigh and Stanton for a strong starting mid so PM offers.
Alright guys, 7 hours to go.
DILLOS FIRE SALE.
All of these guys must go or the Dillos are pretty much screwed. :(
Daniel Cross, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
Looking for either:
Top 30 picks + Bit Extra.
Mixture of good depth
Package up a few a better pick or a better player.
Willing to add #15 if necessary.
Younger blokes like Blake Acres, Ben Newton, Patrick Karnezis can move in packages for better players as well.
If you are offering just picks, keep in mind we might need some cap help as well.
Thanks!
Quote from: Vinny on November 10, 2014, 05:08:29 PM
Alright guys, 7 hours to go.
DILLOS FIRE SALE.
All of these guys must go or the Dillos are pretty much screwed. :(
Daniel Cross, Paul Chapman, Drew Petrie and Jay Schulz.
Looking for either:
Top 30 picks + Bit Extra.
Mixture of good depth
Package up a few a better pick or a better player.
Willing to add #15 if necessary.
Younger blokes like Blake Acres, Ben Newton, Patrick Karnezis can move in packages for better players as well.
If you are offering just picks, keep in mind we might need some cap help as well.
Thanks!
You're screwed if you keep them? How?
Because they will be worth even less after this season and they need as much value as they can for the rebuild.
Not rocket science :P
Well their value is just going to decline, we gotta sell them now while we can get something for them. In 2 years, they will be worth nothing. They aren't good enough to get good players for. Legitimately are whole starting XV has been killed cause we were running a retirement village for the last two years. :P
Quote from: Vinny on November 10, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Well their value is just going to decline, we gotta sell them now while we can get something for them. In 2 years, they will be worth nothing. They aren't good enough to get good players for. Legitimately are whole starting XV has been killed cause we were running a retirement village for the last two years. :P
Oh yeah, right.
I'll talk to the lads, might be able to help. ;)
Going offline soon but will be back in a few hours for last minute trades. PM me for any of the players mentioned in my earlier posts.
Quote from: Vinny on November 10, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Well their value is just going to decline, we gotta sell them now while we can get something for them. In 2 years, they will be worth nothing. They aren't good enough to get good players for. Legitimately are whole starting XV has been killed cause we were running a retirement village for the last two years. :P
I'll take Schulz & Chapman for pick 69 :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyICxPL12s0
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 06:37:49 PM
Christchurch give: N27
Beijing give: Clay Smith
I'm sure he'll be treated well at his new home under Mewtwo.
Will also trade any of guys with 0-150 points for picks if you see potential in them.
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 06:37:49 PM
Christchurch give: N27
Beijing give: Clay Smith
I'm sure he'll be treated well at his new home under Mewtwo.
He didn't like the weather! :P
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 06:37:49 PM
Christchurch give: N27
Beijing give: Clay Smith
I'm sure he'll be treated well at his new home under Mewtwo.
I will never trade him out! I would contemplate homosexuality for this man.
NDT gettin busy :p go Rico go!
Quote from: meow meow on November 10, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 06:37:49 PM
Christchurch give: N27
Beijing give: Clay Smith
I'm sure he'll be treated well at his new home under Mewtwo.
I will never trade him out! I would contemplate homosexuality for this man.
I'm OK with that, glad to see we have a similar taste in players :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 10, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 06:37:49 PM
Christchurch give: N27
Beijing give: Clay Smith
I'm sure he'll be treated well at his new home under Mewtwo.
I will never trade him out! I would contemplate homosexuality for this man.
I'm OK with that, glad to see we have a similar taste in men :P.
:P
If anybody wants either pick 14 or 17, they're for sale. Throw me and/or torp an offer.
For teams that need mid depth, I could possibly offer Montags + S.Grigg for a slightly better mid.
ok so RD will be out for most of the night unfortunately.
For the right price anything is possible. but unlikely to move premiums
picks and other players all available for te right offer.
send me a PM and I will be able to respond when I get home at around 7:30pm Queensland time
Will use fanfooty clock guys btw, which is about 15 minutes off
4 hours left! Best of luck
Tom Langdon could move for a good deal. Not looking for anything in particular.
WXV DEADLINE DAY >>> FOOTBALL DEADLINE DAY
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Happy for PNL to make New York better if they wish :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Good guys 8)
The better Mexico City, the better the comp is 8)
Haha HP is just a nice guy mate, fair trade there. Plus some rate picks higher than others do.
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 10, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Happy for PNL to make New York better if they wish :P
I'd argue this trade is a lot less controversial than some that NY have been involved in :p
Quote from: elephants on November 10, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 10, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Happy for PNL to make New York better if they wish :P
I'd argue this trade is a lot less controversial than some that NY have been involved in :p
What has controversy got to do with anything?
I was just surprised by the context HP gave - just saying how this trade is so good for an opposing team...
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 10, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 10, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Happy for PNL to make New York better if they wish :P
I'd argue this trade is a lot less controversial than some that NY have been involved in :p
What has controversy got to do with anything?
I was just surprised by the context HP gave - just saying how this trade is so good for an opposing team...
we are just nice like that
try to get deals that suit both sides :)
(note: before anyone cracks up not implying at anyone that they do not....simply answering a question that involves us)
Obviously it helps PNL too.
Hodge isn't far off Simmo, but then they increase their depth in Pick 32 and Moller.
Works well for both parties.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 10, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 10, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Happy for PNL to make New York better if they wish :P
I'd argue this trade is a lot less controversial than some that NY have been involved in :p
What has controversy got to do with anything?
I was just surprised by the context HP gave - just saying how this trade is so good for an opposing team...
I actually think PNL wins this one just.
Pick 32 s quite handy in this draft and Hodge = Simpson. Butcher/Moller both shown zilch so far.
yeah trades fine to me
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Obviously it helps PNL too.
Hodge isn't far off Simmo, but then they increase their depth in Pick 32 and Moller.
Works well for both parties.
exactly
both come out of it well ;)
For some reason I thought Simpson was a bit younger than what he is
I'm home now and want to talk trades lol
Send me messages about trades lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on November 10, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 10, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I'm home now for the night so happy to talk trades :D
On another note, this raised my eyebrow a bit
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 10, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 10, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
I'm a big Simmo fan and he's an upgrade on Hodge, so don't mind giving up a decent pick and youngster.
HP/Daz to confirm.
Confirm.
I love Kade, and has been the rock for our defence. Hodge is possibly falling a bit but is still solid enough so don't mind grabbing him along with #32 for the downgrade from a reliable Kade. Kade probably also will help in Mexico's search to compete with Dublin as well more than Hodgey. Moller a fair way off playing for Freo while JRoo could use a forward so Butcher is still on the list, so why not have a swap for them :P.
Sounds like PNL are doing their best to make sure Mexico gets better... :o
Happy for PNL to make New York better if they wish :P
I'd argue this trade is a lot less controversial than some that NY have been involved in :p
What has controversy got to do with anything?
I was just surprised by the context HP gave - just saying how this trade is so good for an opposing team...
Its just funny, making comments like that when there have been some brutally lopsided trades from NY too :p
Imo its a good trade too!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 09:20:57 PM
I'm home now and want to talk trades lol
Send me messages about trades lol
This.
Chat anyone?
http://www.ffelitechat.webs.com/
i'm to cool for chat
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 10, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
For some reason I thought Simpson was a bit younger than what he is
PNL and Mexico have a known history of exchanging old players :P. Last year we did Enright for Pav :P.
But yeah, Kade is better than Hodge, but I rate the draft so reckon we can pick up a good player at #32!
Hodge > Simpson
Anyone watch the gf?
On up until the deadline so send me your offers :>
Seeing as we only have less than 2 hours to go...
Kade Kolo has been extremely popular and we have always said no... but if you offer us a gun we cant refuse, well feel free to PM us :)
All players for sale. Hit me with PMs now.
(http://i.imgur.com/Nym2xpt.jpg)
To join the party or not...
Screw it, PNL closed up for shop unless somebody offers a fair or incredible deal :P.
Dang it, exceeded 20 msgs for the hour >:(
Oh how I love being a moderator, unlimited PMs ;D.
Shame I'm not even using them ;).
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
Dang it, exceeded 20 msgs for the hour >:(
Yeah I'm a couple away from it. :-[
HP, is it possible for you to turn it off for the next couple hours?
Quote from: Vinny on November 10, 2014, 10:31:50 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
Dang it, exceeded 20 msgs for the hour >:(
Yeah I'm a couple away from it. :-[
HP, is it possible for you to turn it off for the next couple hours?
Reply mine plsssss.
Anyone got an ancient defender who averages 70 that they'll give up for pick 63?
GIMME PICKS... Richards, Rivers, Murdoch, O'Brien, Golds, West and a bunch of spuds are on the table. Want top 50 picks.
Quote from: Vinny on November 10, 2014, 10:31:50 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
Dang it, exceeded 20 msgs for the hour >:(
Yeah I'm a couple away from it. :-[
HP, is it possible for you to turn it off for the next couple hours?
That would be brilliant
If I do it here other comps will be asking the same :-X.
That and can't remember where the thing is to change number of PMs an hour....
Zac Clarke to be gone within the hour, all offers must be in ASAP!
That's a wrap for Beijing, think we're done for the night :)
Quote from: Toga on November 10, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
That's a wrap for Beijing, think we're done for the night :)
A successful trade period 8)
Anyone after some depth forwards get in touch with me :)
Anyone looking like being short on player numbers? Can offer tasty package deals!
Dangerfield is for sale for the right deal
Not really
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2014, 12:13:04 AM
And that's a wrap.
There were over 20 trades, on deadline day :o
And PNL were involved in 3 of them :o. A record for us :P.
Good stuff all
3 more trades for NY today. Done all we can to (hopefully :-\) improve our list.
So Sam Gilbert started at Buenos Aires, then traded to Mexico City, then to Christchurch, then back to Mexico City and then finally back to Buenos Aires, haha. Well, if all trades pasa, of course.
yeooow ZClarke
Missed the end of trade period but happy we got him to help our fwd line
JDarling, ZClarke, Griffiths, KStevens/JWhite
is a hell of a lot better than JPod, Murdoch, LMcCarthy, Dell'Olio lol
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2014, 01:08:25 AM
yeooow ZClarke
Missed the end of trade period but happy we got him to help our fwd line
JDarling, ZClarke, Griffiths, KStevens/JWhite
is a hell of a lot better than JPod, Murdoch, LMcCarthy, Dell'Olio lol
Basti! And Clancee!!!
Both at a very nice age too.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 11, 2014, 07:52:07 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2014, 01:08:25 AM
yeooow ZClarke
Missed the end of trade period but happy we got him to help our fwd line
JDarling, ZClarke, Griffiths, KStevens/JWhite
is a hell of a lot better than JPod, Murdoch, LMcCarthy, Dell'Olio lol
Basti! And Clancee!!!
Both at a very nice age too.
Yep did very well mate, suits both teams
in other news.... NDT made a whopping 25 trades this period :o
11 trades from Beijing, 4 on the last day :P
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2014, 12:53:24 AM
So Sam Gilbert started at Buenos Aires, then traded to Mexico City, then to Christchurch, then back to Mexico City and then finally back to Buenos Aires, haha. Well, if all trades pasa, of course.
How about Pick 41 as well!
Beijing --> Pacific --> Tokyo --> Cape Town --> New York --> Beijing --> Seoul --> Christchurch --> Rio de Janeiro --> Buenos
Wow, so there are nearly 40 trades to review this week
A lot of these trades are linked and rely on previous trades. All seem fine to me and hopefully they all pass for everyone because it looks like it could be extremely messy if not :-\
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Wow, so there are nearly 40 trades to review this week
A lot of these trades are linked and rely on previous trades. All seem fine to me and hopefully they all pass for everyone because it looks like it could be extremely messy if not :-\
Haha, yeah that's what I've been thinking. If one fails, it's going to stuff up a lot of other trades.
Quote from: Toga on November 11, 2014, 10:28:31 AM
How about Pick 41 as well!
Beijing --> Pacific --> Tokyo --> Cape Town --> New York --> Beijing --> Seoul --> Christchurch --> Rio de Janeiro --> Buenos
Sad I couldn't get involved :( :P
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 11, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Wow, so there are nearly 40 trades to review this week
A lot of these trades are linked and rely on previous trades. All seem fine to me and hopefully they all pass for everyone because it looks like it could be extremely messy if not :-\
Haha, yeah that's what I've been thinking. If one fails, it's going to stuff up a lot of other trades.
Yeh if anyone was planning on negging any of our trades can you pm me and I might be able to explain our reasoning a bit better. Would also ease the pain of a shock neg
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
Yeh if anyone was planning on negging any of our trades can you pm me and I might be able to explain our reasoning a bit better. Would also ease the pain of a shock neg
Me too
Honestly though, having a look at all the trades
and the reasons the coaches have given in the confirmation thread, all seem fine to me
Just went through that whole list and sent Chumps my thoughts on the trades to check over then send on to Ossie - boy was that time consuming.
I won't say about any negs but I will say this - the one theme I got out of that was pretty much every Mexico trade that happened I though they lost the deal.
Not necessarily enough for me to neg them but I just found that a bit strange. The rest of the trade period their team was getting stronger but now I feel it has weakened quite a bit in the last week of trading.
Oh well. JROO is welcome to do with his team what he likes...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 11, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
Just went through that whole list and sent Chumps my thoughts on the trades to check over then send on to Ossie - boy was that time consuming.
I won't say about any negs but I will say this - the one theme I got out of that was pretty much every Mexico trade that happened I though they lost the deal.
Not necessarily enough for me to neg them but I just found that a bit strange. The rest of the trade period their team was getting stronger but now I feel it has weakened quite a bit in the last week of trading.
Oh well. JROO is welcome to do with his team what he likes...
That's fair enough. I was happy with all my trades this week. I feel if they all pass, they will strengthen my XV quite a bit, but I do lose a little depth.
I'm pretty sure this is right. NY completed the most trades, this trade period.
New York 32
Mexico City 28
New Delhi 27
Christchurch 24
Buenos Aires 20
Dublin 18
Tokyo 17
Cairo 17
Pacific 16
Seoul 13
Cape Town 12
Berlin 12
Beijing 12
PNL 11
Toronto 10
Moscow 10
London 9
Rio de Janeiro 7
Sao Paulo 2
Wellington 1
I only have us down for 25 mate?
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2014, 11:54:29 AM
I only have us down for 25 mate?
I included trades that were negged than done again, for example the Aaron Black and Rosa trade would've counted as two trades.
Maybe, that's why?
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2014, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 11, 2014, 11:54:29 AM
I only have us down for 25 mate?
I included trades that were negged than done again, for example the Aaron Black and Rosa trade would've counted as two trades.
Maybe, that's why?
Ah ok, so negged trades that got re-done counted as two in your count??
I found one more for us. We had 26 successful trades, one negged that wasn't re-done.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 11, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
Just went through that whole list and sent Chumps my thoughts on the trades to check over then send on to Ossie - boy was that time consuming.
I won't say about any negs but I will say this - the one theme I got out of that was pretty much every Mexico trade that happened I though they lost the deal.
Not necessarily enough for me to neg them but I just found that a bit strange. The rest of the trade period their team was getting stronger but now I feel it has weakened quite a bit in the last week of trading.
Oh well. JROO is welcome to do with his team what he likes...
You thought Mexico lost the Montagna for Jones trade? Lol
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 11, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 11, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
Just went through that whole list and sent Chumps my thoughts on the trades to check over then send on to Ossie - boy was that time consuming.
I won't say about any negs but I will say this - the one theme I got out of that was pretty much every Mexico trade that happened I though they lost the deal.
Not necessarily enough for me to neg them but I just found that a bit strange. The rest of the trade period their team was getting stronger but now I feel it has weakened quite a bit in the last week of trading.
Oh well. JROO is welcome to do with his team what he likes...
You thought Mexico lost the Montagna for Jones trade? Lol
Memph rates Jones, unlike you :P
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 11, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 11, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
Just went through that whole list and sent Chumps my thoughts on the trades to check over then send on to Ossie - boy was that time consuming.
I won't say about any negs but I will say this - the one theme I got out of that was pretty much every Mexico trade that happened I though they lost the deal.
Not necessarily enough for me to neg them but I just found that a bit strange. The rest of the trade period their team was getting stronger but now I feel it has weakened quite a bit in the last week of trading.
Oh well. JROO is welcome to do with his team what he likes...
You thought Mexico lost the Montagna for Jones trade? Lol
Memph rates Jones, unlike everybody :P
fixed
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 11, 2014, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 11, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 11, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 11, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
Just went through that whole list and sent Chumps my thoughts on the trades to check over then send on to Ossie - boy was that time consuming.
I won't say about any negs but I will say this - the one theme I got out of that was pretty much every Mexico trade that happened I though they lost the deal.
Not necessarily enough for me to neg them but I just found that a bit strange. The rest of the trade period their team was getting stronger but now I feel it has weakened quite a bit in the last week of trading.
Oh well. JROO is welcome to do with his team what he likes...
You thought Mexico lost the Montagna for Jones trade? Lol
Memph rates Jones, unlike everybody :P
fixed
Well Purps does too. But that may because Zak is related to Nathan Jones :P
I don't see how last year's pick is worth less than Montags. I'd prefer Jones over Montags, but had to do it when I traded out Sandi.
Zak Jones is a beast, but can see why people think I overpaid, not like he is gonna score well anytime soon, whereas monty may very well put out premo scores.
Did it because I think Zak will get better every year, and thought monty, well, won't.
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 11, 2014, 12:17:36 PM
Zak Jones is a beast, but can see why people think I overpaid, not like he is gonna score well anytime soon, whereas monty may very well put out premo scores.
Did it because I think Zak will get better every year, and thought monty, well, won't.
I tend to think Monty only has the one season left due to the Saints future fest. Maybe another club will give him a go and pick him up if he goes well but I'm not so sure. he should have left this offseason and gotten a 2-3 year deal at another club imo.
So in the long run you win. Short term Mexcio improves but then they traded Monty out again anyway.
We have 4 votes in so far and I can tell you...
.... nothing.
Os mind sending me the votes please? Nails won't have time.
Right! With 15 of 18 coaches voted (very quickly, well done), and with only Jayman, My Chumps/Memph and Ringo to come..
... I can announce...
that Trade 124 has shockingly failed.
But nothing else at this time is rejected or passed
I'm really disappointed to see that trade 124 wasn't passed. :P
*madly checks PMs to see if trade 124 was an NDT one*
Oh. Lol.
which one is it
Quote from: ossie85 on November 12, 2014, 01:10:09 PM
Right! With 15 of 18 coaches voted (very quickly, well done), and with only Jayman, My Chumps/Memph and Ringo to come..
... I can announce...
that Trade 124 has shockingly failed.
But nothing else at this time is rejected or passed
I'll send your our thoughts now. Sent them to Chumps for approval and he did reply with one change so I said to PM you but he hasn't been on I don't think since then.
What do you mean Trade 124 has failed :P
I suppose it's clear why Relton>The King easily :P
I saw it as a sideways so passed it. At Carey's age, surely he's equal to Relton! WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYBODY?!?!?!
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
I saw it as a sideways so passed it. At Carey's age, surely he's equal to Relton! WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYBODY?!?!?!
Nobody is equal to Relton. Not Duck, not Zac Dawson, not GAJ... nobody! >:D
Quote from: Nige on November 12, 2014, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
I saw it as a sideways so passed it. At Carey's age, surely he's equal to Relton! WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYBODY?!?!?!
Nobody is equal to Relton. Not Duck, not Zac Dawson, not GAJ... nobody! >:D
Because Zac is worth more
Quote from: Ricochet on November 12, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 12, 2014, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
I saw it as a sideways so passed it. At Carey's age, surely he's equal to Relton! WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYBODY?!?!?!
Nobody is equal to Relton. Not Duck, not Zac Dawson, not GAJ... nobody! >:D
Because Zac is worth more
Maybe in some parallel universe.
Ok guys, the votes are in! Thanks all.
Not going to announce them just yet, need some time to process them. Patience....
Quote from: ossie85 on November 12, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
Ok guys, the votes are in! Thanks all.
Not going to announce them just yet, need some time to process them. Patience....
Wow, that was quick, nice work guys.
There were a lot that required careful consideration on my part. A lot of these trades were a bit uneven but in most cases not really enough to neg took me 2 full days to complete analysis on them before ruling. .
Did not think the Carey Roberts trade was too bad but on instructions rejected it.
Quote from: Nige on November 12, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 12, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
Ok guys, the votes are in! Thanks all.
Not going to announce them just yet, need some time to process them. Patience....
Wow, that was quick, nice work guys.
Quote from: Ringo on November 12, 2014, 05:01:04 PM
There were a lot that required careful consideration on my part. A lot of these trades were a bit uneven but in most cases not really enough to neg took me 2 full days to complete analysis on them before ruling. .
Did not think the Carey Roberts trade was too bad but on instructions rejected it.
I legit didn't even reject it, said I passed it. I don't like being told what to do ;D.
Quote from: Nige on November 12, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 12, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
Ok guys, the votes are in! Thanks all.
Not going to announce them just yet, need some time to process them. Patience....
Wow, that was quick, nice work guys.
"Need some time" = a hour or two for Os :P
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 12, 2014, 05:01:04 PM
There were a lot that required careful consideration on my part. A lot of these trades were a bit uneven but in most cases not really enough to neg took me 2 full days to complete analysis on them before ruling. .
Did not think the Carey Roberts trade was too bad but on instructions rejected it.
I legit didn't even reject it, said I passed it. I don't like being told what to do ;D.
Inb4 PNL loses their first round draft pick for directly disobeying orders. :P
Quote from: Nige on November 12, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 12, 2014, 05:01:04 PM
There were a lot that required careful consideration on my part. A lot of these trades were a bit uneven but in most cases not really enough to neg took me 2 full days to complete analysis on them before ruling. .
Did not think the Carey Roberts trade was too bad but on instructions rejected it.
I legit didn't even reject it, said I passed it. I don't like being told what to do ;D.
Inb4 PNL loses their first round draft pick for directly disobeying orders. :P
#WorthIt
I've decided that not only will I sack PNL, I'll erase PNL from the records entirely. Nobody will know they ever existed.
so if there are no Reindeers is Santa Clause still real?
Quote from: ossie85 on November 12, 2014, 05:14:50 PM
I've decided that not only will I sack PNL, I'll erase PNL from the records entirely. Nobody will know they ever existed.
#thepriceyoupay
#Bringiton #PNL4lyf #Notafraid #Slightlyafraid
Far out, Os will have to update teams lists, cap and draft for 40 trades!
Quote from: ossie85 on November 12, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
Ok guys, the votes are in! Thanks all.
Not going to announce them just yet, need some time to process them. Patience....
4 hours later. Sorry I'm trying to be patient hahaha. :P
I reckon they'll be up sometime tomorrow or the day after. I'll just check up after my exam tomorrow and hope my trades pass as it's the ray of light for my day :P.
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 12, 2014, 09:18:42 PM
I reckon they'll be up sometime tomorrow or the day after. I'll just check up after my exam tomorrow and hope my trades pass as it's the ray of light for my day :P.
Thanks guys... For all the rejected trades, you have a week from this post to renegotiate.
Trade 110
Christchurch trade: Jack Gunston and Travis Boak
Dublin trade: Josh Green and Tom Rockliff
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Mixed feelings from the 2 coaches here
Admin Comments: Feel Rockliff > Boak, and Green < Gunston so no real issue
Final result: PASSED
Trade 111
Toronto trade: Jack Riewoldt + Nat Pick 62
Rio trade: Isaac Smith + Jack Crisp + Nat Pick 74
Votes Against: 1
Coach Comments: Believe JROOs value being overstated, Crisp values understated
Admin Comments: Interesting, but think fair trade
Final result: PASSED
Trade 112
New York give: Koby Stevens
NDT give: Dylan Buckley
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 113
Rio give: Rory Thompson + Nat 10
Cairo give: Andrew Mackie
Votes Against: 4
Coach Comments: Believe that too much is being paid for Mackie, an older defender with limited scoring power
Admin Comments: Ive ummed and arred about this one. Basically Pick 10 was traded for McKenzie earlier (ish), and Mackie was basically swapped for Giles. So does Rory Thompson + Trent McKenzie for Jon Giles make sense? Just. But in the end swapping 2 young players for an older one. Sorry guys, think Cairo need to add a bit more ( a draft pick or something).
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 114
Cairo trade: J.Clarke & T.Chaplin
Dildos trade: N38
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Feel that N38 isnt enough for both of them
Admin Comments: Glad this one didnt come to me, feel it was borderline
Final result: PASSED
Trade 115
NDT gives: Nat 5 + Nat 45, Nat 47 and Nat 57
Cape Town gives: Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 59 + Nat 88
Votes Against: 1
Coach Comments: Feels Cape Town winning too much
Admin Comments: If this has come to me, I would have rejected it. New Delhi move up one spot in the draft (From 5 to 4, which is admittedly valuable) while Cape Town move up a whopping combined 54 spots in the draft. But the coaches have spoken!
Final result: PASSED
Trade 116
Rio Give: N.Graham + B.Newton + N.Foley + R.Nahas
Dildos Give: K.Cornes + D.Hale
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Question the Spuds being worth the Oldies
Admin Comments: Interesting again, but not real issue
Final result: PASSED
Trade 117
Mexico City give: George Hewett + Pick 37
Tokyo give: Jesse Lonergan
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 118
Tokyo Trade: Pick 37
Pacific Trade: Harry Cunningham
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: Thought this might get a vote or 2, no issue from me
Final result: PASSED
Trade 119
PNL Trade: #81 Nat
Berlin Trade: #84 Nat + #9 PSD
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 120
Mexico City give: Zak Jones
Berlin give: Leigh Montagna
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Feel that Montagna worth a lot more
Admin Comments: Glad this didnt come to me, wouldve been a hard decision
Final result: PASSED
Trade 121
Mexico City give: Aaron Sandilands and Bryce Gibbs
Christchurch give: Tom Rockliff and Sam Gilbert
Votes Against: 5
Coach Comments: 3 coaches feel Christchurch win too much, 2 coaches feel Mexico City win too much.
Admin Comments: Eck. A hard decision. First of all how come Rockliff bounces around every team every trade period?? I dont understand. Anyways. A lot of concern over whether Sandilands is worth more than Gilbert. And Rockliff has to be worth more than Gibbs. Sorry, cant for this one.
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 122
New York give: Will Hoskin-Elliott and Pick 42
London give: Ben Lennon and Pick 11
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Still dont think the trade is fair, even with pick 42
Admin Comments: Still questionable, but not my decision
Final result: PASSED
Trade 123
New York give: Tom Liberatore and Harley Bennell
Dublin give: Travis Boak and Jack Gunston
Votes Against: 7
Coach Comments: Feel that Libba and Harley are younger and average more than counterparts, and that assumptions over long term positions shouldnt carry as much weight.
Admin Comments: Agree with the coaches
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 124
Berlin trade: Relton Roberts
Pacific trade: Wayne Carey
Fake trade to see if people paying attention, please reject!
Votes Against: 17
Coach Comments: Mixed feelings here!
Admin Comments: All but ONE coach rejected this trade! That one coach is a genius.
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 125
Pacific give: pick 55
Seoul give: Joel Hamling
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 126
PNL Trade: #15 + Liam Jones + Tyson Goldsack + Xavier Richards
Dillos Trade: Dane Swan + #58
Votes Against: 1
Coach Comments: Still think Swan is worth more
Admin Comments: Finally! Swan, the original #2 pick, off loaded!
Final result: PASSED
Trade 127
Seoul give: Darley + N64
NDT give: N48
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 128
Tokyo trade: Luke Shuey and Ben Reid
Christchurch trade: Chris Yarran and Shaun Burgoyne
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Feel Yarrans worth being understated
Admin Comments: Lots of ifs, buts and coconuts in this one
Final result: PASSED
Trade 129
NDT Trade: N64
Tokyo Trade: Will Hams + N79
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 130
NDT give: Tom Bell
Beijing give: N39 + Tim OBrien
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 131
Christchurch give: N27
Beijing give: Clay Smith
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 132
NDT give: N39 + N88
Tokyo give: Seb Ross
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 133
Mexico City give: Matthew Pavlich, James Kelly, Brendon Ah Chee + Pick 83
Toronto give: Michael Johnson, Mark Whiley + Picks 32, 74
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: 1 coach feel Mexico City winning too much, one thinking Toronto winning too much
Admin Comments: Intriguing
Final result: PASSED
Trade 134
Mexico City give: Luke Hodge, Craig Moller + Pick 32
PNL give: Kade Simpson, John Butcher + Pick 87
Votes Against: 1
Coach Comments: Simpson not being valued enough
Admin Comments: Meh
Final result: PASSED
Trade 135
Berlin trade: Jason Tutt, Nathan Wilson + Pick 81
Buenos Aires trade: Daniel Cross
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: *rolls eyes*
Final result: PASSED
Trade 136
TORONTO give: T.Jonas
BEIJING give: K.Mitchell + H.Schade + A.Toovey + N82
Votes Against: 1
Coach Comments: Toronto winning too much
Admin Comments: Surprised this didnt get more heat
Final result: PASSED
Trade 137
Beijing give: Elliot Yeo + Robbie Tarrant + Max Duffy
Rio de Janeiro give: Jared Polec
Votes Against: 4
Coach Comments: 3 coaches feel Yeo worth more than this, 1 coach feeling Polec worth more
Admin Comments: Tarrant and Duffy big unknowns and Im willing to let doubt over Yeo v Polec rule.. so..
Final result: PASSED
Trade 138
New Delhi: N70
Buenos Aires: Simon Tunbridge
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 139
Tokyo Trade: Trent West
Cape Town Trade: Pick 45
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: Thought West might get a bit of love1
Final result: PASSED
Trade 140
New York Trade: Pick 44 + Pick 72
Tokyo Trade: Brodie Murdoch
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 141
Toronto give: Goose Maguire
Christchurch give: picks 63 & 66
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 142
Moscow Give: Zachary Clarke
NDT Give: Clancee Pearce and Ryan Bastinac
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Questioning over Clarke, Pearce and Bastinacs worth!
Admin Comments: Seems fine
Final result: PASSED
Trade 143
Cairo give: Matt White + 85
New York give: Nick Kommer + 53
Votes Against: 1
Coach Comments: White worth a lot more
Admin Comments: No opinion
Final result: PASSED
Trade 144
New Delhi give: N59 + N79
Toronto gives: Jesse White
Votes Against: 1
Coach Comments: White worth more
Admin Comments: Fine with me
Final result: PASSED
Trade 145
Mexico trade: Lindsay Thomas, Sam Gilbert, Sam Siggins, John Butcher
Dillos trade: Drew Petrie, Darcy Byrne-Jones
Votes Against: 3
Coach Comments: 2 for Buenos Aires, One for Mexico City
Admin Comments: Probably wouldve have let through but as Trade 121 rejected, so is this.
Final result: REJECTED
Trade 146
Dildos trade: P.Chapman
Rio trade: J.Neade + R.Bewick + 41
Votes Against: 2
Coach Comments: Chapman not worth this much
Admin Comments: Does seem a bit overkill, but not my decision
Final result: PASSED
Trade 147
Mexico Trade: Mark Whiley + Leigh Montagna
NY Trade: Ben Lennon + Mathew Stokes
Votes Against: 3
Coach Comments: Feel Mexico City winning too much, with Lennon > Whiley and Stokes > Montagna
Admin Comments: Begrudgingly let through, not hugely sure on the logic though. All comes down to Whiley and Lennon, who at this stage are unknown
Final result: PASSED
Trade 148
Tokyo Trade Golds
PNL Trades pick 84
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Trade 149
Cape town gives: Nat 52.
Cairo: Karpany + H Marsh
Votes Against: 0
Coach Comments: 0
Admin Comments: 0
Final result: PASSED
Cmon JROO, you just have to BELIEVE
yeah JROO you need to BOLEIVE!!!
God I hate this bug.
Now up
Cheers os.
flower yeh. Thanks for the trade period lads (and of course your work Os), its been a big one for us.
Haha I got no idea what's going on. (That's directed at GL and co., not to Oz)
Ok, so three coaches (well 2 + Oz) think I win, but three think I lose.
So who needs to add stuff to their side to make it fair haha.
Also, Oz surely Sandi is worth quite a bit more than Gilbert ???
Even if Sandi is injury prone, when he plays he's a star, Gilbert has shown nothing in the past couple of years.
i got NFI why Rocky cant find a permanent team either Ossie no way i would trade him
Trade 123
New York give: Tom Liberatore and Harley Bennell
Dublin give: Travis Boak and Jack Gunston
Votes Against: 7
Coach Comments: Feel that Libba and Harley are younger and average more than counterparts, and that assumptions over long term positions shouldnt carry as much weight.
Admin Comments: Agree with the coaches
Final result: REJECTED
Assumptions over long terms positions shouldn't carry much weight? Gunston is a 100% forward, and we only give up 10ppg in this trade for that security. As for ages, It's only Boak who is older out of the 4, and 26 is entering his absolute prime!
Quote from: JROO8 on November 13, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
Haha I got no idea what's going on.
the copy and paste bug was in affect with one of the trades and one of the coaches comments was just 'Believe JROO'
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 13, 2014, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 13, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
Haha I got no idea what's going on.
the copy and paste bug was in affect with one of the trades and one of the coaches comments was just 'Believe JROO'
Oh hahah, I just missed it.
Im clearly on the same wave length as everyone else. The two trades i negged we're pased comfortably haha
btw i assume with rejected trades only those 2 teams can discuss a new deal and other teams cant put in offers?
since trade period is finished
Quote from: JROO8 on November 13, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 13, 2014, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 13, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
Haha I got no idea what's going on.
the copy and paste bug was in affect with one of the trades and one of the coaches comments was just 'Believe JROO'
Oh hahah, I just missed it.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/jzz4vl.jpg)
haha i lost it
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 13, 2014, 11:37:52 AM
btw i assume with rejected trades only those 2 teams can discuss a new deal and other teams cant put in offers?
since trade period is finished
correct
To the coaches who negged our Libba/Bennell for Boak/Gunston trade: Seeing as we can only deal with holz to try and rejig this what sort of changes do you need to see to pass this?
As previously mentioned, we only gave up 10ppg based on this years averages, but getting a guaranteed career forward and Boak being 26 entering his absolute prime made this deal fair in our opinions
So what can we do?
Seeing as age was such a big concern for you, the only option I see is holz changing Boak to Sloane, but he isn't going to do that, so that leaves us stumped :(
Oh geez, I'm on a bus and cracked up at the believe Jroo comment ;D. Luckily I'm at the back and nobody noticed...
Yay PNL's trades passed :D. Thought the Kade deal would get more heat :x.
For the life of me I can not see how you all approved trade 115 without the analysis I did. Giving away that I was the coach who voted against it. How you can give Capetown an improvement of 51 picks overall over New Delhi really surprises me, especially with the positions of both New Delhi and Capetown in the competition, but as you all voted for it will accept.
Feel I had to say something on this trade as it did not sit easy with me.
i think it's fine like most others the 54 spots they move up are in the second half of the draft and worth hardly anything
Quote from: Ringo on November 13, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
For the life of me I can not see how you all approved trade 115 without the analysis I did. Giving away that I was the coach who voted against it. How you can give Capetown an improvement of 51 picks overall over New Delhi really surprises me, especially with the positions of both New Delhi and Capetown in the competition, but as you all voted for it will accept.
Feel I had to say something on this trade as it did not sit easy with me.
Top 3-4 of this draft have a pretty clear gap on the rest imo mate. Thats why we went hard after it. It now locks away 2 of Petrecca, Heeney, McCartin or Brayshaw for us.
NDT gives: Nat 5 + Nat 45, Nat 47 and Nat 57
Cape Town gives: Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 59 + Nat 88
So N57 basically = N59
Leaving
Nat 5 + Nat 45, Nat 47 +
Nat 57Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 88 +
Nat 59Nat 54 + N88 roughly = N47
So that leaves
Nat 5 + Nat 45 +
Nat 47 +
Nat 57Nat 4 +
Nat 54 +
Nat 88 +
Nat 59Think thats pretty reasonable
I don't think getting a guy who might play 4 games at an average of 40 instead of a guy who might play 3 games at an average of 35 is what I would consider to be grossly unjust and something that is going to ruin the competition.
As for the Rockliff trade... prepare yourselves for a wall of text
Would love to hear the argument how christchuch is winning by too much in the Rocky trade.
I say its top 10 biggest ever trade losses for them
Based on last year:
Rocky (c) 264
Gilbert 55
319
Sandi (c) 216
Gibbs 106
322
This trade can't be negged on a short term points basis since it is statistically even. The ages/remaining seasons of players involved is close enough to being spot on even. That right there is enough proof for it to pass.
You might think that Rocky can't maintain his average, but you could easily say that a fit Gilbert will improve enough to make up for it. Short term it is dead even.
Gilbert and Sandi have roughly the same amount of years left, same with Gibbs and Rocky. In 2 years when Sandi and Gilbert are gone it will be Rocky (264) vs Gibbs (212). Massive win for Christchurch, right? No. Long term it is a slight loss for me but I think the gap will close (240 vs 220) so that softens the blow.
I'm willing to take the slight long term loss to get some short term ruck cover... even though Wilbur is the only ruck that I need. Do you think that I would have traded out HMac, Hannath, Lowden, Daw and Downie if I didn't intend on bringing in another ruck? The value of me getting ruck cover has to be factored in. The pros vs cons even themselves out and it's fair.
If all this is wrong, then show me how and why it should be negged?
Yeah well said meow.
For me, I've got plenty of depth (Stokes and Christo can't even start in my side!), so don't mind losing some in making 10-15 points on Gibbs.
I don't see why I should give up more, when I'm already losing two 105+ players for one 120 player.
People just get scared when big name players are involved and hit the neg
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 02:05:29 PM
People just get scared when big name players are involved and hit the neg
Quote from: Ricochet on November 13, 2014, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 13, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
For the life of me I can not see how you all approved trade 115 without the analysis I did. Giving away that I was the coach who voted against it. How you can give Capetown an improvement of 51 picks overall over New Delhi really surprises me, especially with the positions of both New Delhi and Capetown in the competition, but as you all voted for it will accept.
Feel I had to say something on this trade as it did not sit easy with me.
Top 3-4 of this draft have a pretty clear gap on the rest imo mate. Thats why we went hard after it. It now locks away 2 of Petrecca, Heeney, McCartin or Brayshaw for us.
NDT gives: Nat 5 + Nat 45, Nat 47 and Nat 57
Cape Town gives: Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 59 + Nat 88
So N57 basically = N59
Leaving
Nat 5 + Nat 45, Nat 47 + Nat 57
Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 88 + Nat 59
Nat 54 + N88 roughly = N47
So that leaves
Nat 5 + Nat 45 + Nat 47 + Nat 57
Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 88 + Nat 59
Think thats pretty reasonable
Sorry but when I went to school this is how I would do it.
4 to 5 is + 1
54 to 45 is - 9
59 - 47 is -12
88 - 57 is - 31
so that adds up to an advantage of 51 picks according to my simple maths. I do not think even you can argue against this simple maths. Do not see how you can argue 54 + 88 = 47 as according to reports only 70 players may be picked up so there may not even be a pick 88.
Can not also believe that you passed Trade 116 with the possibility of leaving Dildos a player short with Nahas de-listing.
Quote from: Ringo on November 13, 2014, 02:17:33 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 13, 2014, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 13, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
For the life of me I can not see how you all approved trade 115 without the analysis I did. Giving away that I was the coach who voted against it. How you can give Capetown an improvement of 51 picks overall over New Delhi really surprises me, especially with the positions of both New Delhi and Capetown in the competition, but as you all voted for it will accept.
Feel I had to say something on this trade as it did not sit easy with me.
Top 3-4 of this draft have a pretty clear gap on the rest imo mate. Thats why we went hard after it. It now locks away 2 of Petrecca, Heeney, McCartin or Brayshaw for us.
NDT gives: Nat 5 + Nat 45, Nat 47 and Nat 57
Cape Town gives: Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 59 + Nat 88
So N57 basically = N59
Leaving
Nat 5 + Nat 45, Nat 47 + Nat 57
Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 88 + Nat 59
Nat 54 + N88 roughly = N47
So that leaves
Nat 5 + Nat 45 + Nat 47 + Nat 57
Nat 4 + Nat 54 + Nat 88 + Nat 59
Think thats pretty reasonable
Sorry but when I went to school this is how I would do it.
4 to 5 is + 1
54 to 45 is - 9
59 - 47 is -12
88 - 57 is - 31
so that adds up to an advantage of 51 picks according to my simple maths. I do not think even you can argue against this simple maths. Do not see how you can argue 54 + 88 = 47 as according to reports only 70 players may be picked up so there may not even be a pick 88.
lol simple maths? mate every single pick has a different value. A pick in the 80s does not hold the same value as a pick in the 20s. Same goes for a pick upgrade in the ass end of the draft compared to the top end. So your 'simple maths' can't really be used to evaluate a trade like this
oh and this draft doesn't just include those kids taken in the National draft so n88 holds some value
Still does not alter the fact that there is a substantial upward movement in pick order for one of the parties which in my opinion is grossly unfair and you will not convince me otherwise with your spin. Bet you would be down on me if I was getting an increase of 51 pick positions in the Royals but thats right you did your best to try and get our trades negged as being unfair, Do not comment often in the thread but some of the trades that are going through are ridiculous and some that are getting negged do not deserve to be. But you will have the last word as usual Rico.
So giving up picks #11 and #70 is equal to #1 and #80 since it's a 10 position movement each time? Come on Ringo.
The picks in the 45+ range are highly speculatative and not worth a great deal. NDT have a slight win but nothing major. Definitely not worth worrying about.
Quote from: Ringo on November 13, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
Still does not alter the fact that there is a substantial upward movement in pick order for one of the parties which in my opinion is grossly unfair and you will not convince me otherwise with your spin. Bet you would be down on me if I was getting an increase of 51 pick positions in the Royals but thats right you did your best to try and get our trades negged as being unfair, Do not comment often in the thread but some of the trades that are going through are ridiculous and some that are getting negged do not deserve to be. But you will have the last word as usual Rico.
really? grow up mate.
I was just explaining the trade broken down and how we see it
Ok, let's say the move from pick 5 to 4 is worth '100 points'
So, to be even, that would still mean that every other pick increase (the 51 extra spots) would need to be worth on average 2 points!
What we're saying, is the move from pick 5 to 4 is worth, on average, FIFTY times more than all the other picks.
The trade is basically when broken down.
Heeney for Laverde + mediocre player
nothing wrong at all
Quote from: ossie85 on November 13, 2014, 11:08:39 AM
Trade 113
Rio give: Rory Thompson + Nat 10
Cairo give: Andrew Mackie
Votes Against: 4
Coach Comments: Believe that too much is being paid for Mackie, an older defender with limited scoring power
Admin Comments: Ive ummed and arred about this one. Basically Pick 10 was traded for McKenzie earlier (ish), and Mackie was basically swapped for Giles. So does Rory Thompson + Trent McKenzie for Jon Giles make sense? Just. But in the end swapping 2 young players for an older one. Sorry guys, think Cairo need to add a bit more ( a draft pick or something).
Final result: REJECTED
A Cairo trade rejected? :o :'(
Only took until the final lot of trades, I thought our luck was too good to be true.
My only hesitation was that I had no idea how people valued Rory Thompson and Andrew Mackie so didn't know whether to add something our side of the deal (Mackie) to get it across the line, I guess we'll add a pick to even it out.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 02:43:40 PM
The trade is basically when broken down.
Heeney for Laverde + mediocre player
nothing wrong at all
It may seem obvious now which player is going to be good, but its rarely the case. Jack Watts, Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Scott Gumbleton... and even more recently in O'Rourke..
Langdon went in the 60s... So many variables.
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 13, 2014, 11:08:39 AM
Trade 113
Rio give: Rory Thompson + Nat 10
Cairo give: Andrew Mackie
Votes Against: 4
Coach Comments: Believe that too much is being paid for Mackie, an older defender with limited scoring power
Admin Comments: Ive ummed and arred about this one. Basically Pick 10 was traded for McKenzie earlier (ish), and Mackie was basically swapped for Giles. So does Rory Thompson + Trent McKenzie for Jon Giles make sense? Just. But in the end swapping 2 young players for an older one. Sorry guys, think Cairo need to add a bit more ( a draft pick or something).
Final result: REJECTED
How does the trade voting actually work seeing as this only had 4/17 cotes against?
A Cairo trade rejected? :o :'(
Only took until the final lot of trades, I thought our luck was too good to be true.
My only hesitation was that I had no idea how people valued Rory Thompson and Andrew Mackie so didn't know whether to add something our side of the deal (Mackie) to get it across the line, I guess we'll add a pick to even it out.
How does the trade voting actually work seeing as this only had 4/17 cotes against?
It's not even, but neg-worthy? Maybe if it was 30's down to 20's, but not that late in the draft.
4/5 - meh
45/54 - meh
47/59 - meh
57/88 - meh
57 will probably be as much of a spud as 88
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 13, 2014, 11:08:39 AM
Trade 113
Rio give: Rory Thompson + Nat 10
Cairo give: Andrew Mackie
Votes Against: 4
Coach Comments: Believe that too much is being paid for Mackie, an older defender with limited scoring power
Admin Comments: Ive ummed and arred about this one. Basically Pick 10 was traded for McKenzie earlier (ish), and Mackie was basically swapped for Giles. So does Rory Thompson + Trent McKenzie for Jon Giles make sense? Just. But in the end swapping 2 young players for an older one. Sorry guys, think Cairo need to add a bit more ( a draft pick or something).
Final result: REJECTED
A Cairo trade rejected? :o :'(
Only took until the final lot of trades, I thought our luck was too good to be true.
My only hesitation was that I had no idea how people valued Rory Thompson and Andrew Mackie so didn't know whether to add something our side of the deal (Mackie) to get it across the line, I guess we'll add a pick to even it out.
How does the trade voting actually work seeing as this only had 4/17 cotes against?
I think the rule is that a trade needs 6 votes against to stop it from passing. 4 coaches negged it and Oss admin vote is worth 3 votes so I think that meant 7 votes against which is why it didn't go through. Basically, it hinged on how Oss felt about it.
Quote from: ossie85 on November 13, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 02:43:40 PM
The trade is basically when broken down.
Heeney for Laverde + mediocre player
nothing wrong at all
It may seem obvious now which player is going to be good, but its rarely the case. Jack Watts, Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Scott Gumbleton... and even more recently in O'Rourke..
Langdon went in the 60s... So many variables.
We can say that about any player in hindsight. Rocky went in rookie draft. But all we can go on now is how they are currently rated based on their junior results and so far top 4 are streets ahead of the rest.
Sandilands/Gibbs vs Rockliff/Gilbert - part 2
Is it unreasonable to assume that Rocky will average 120 and Gilbert 75? Would you neg a trade because of that assumption? Highly unlikely.
"Gilbert isn't best XV, so Mexico City are giving up 2 best XV players for 1"
Ramifications on Mexico City's best XV. Maric as Ruck.
Mex before: Sidebottom (c) 230, Gibbs 105, Sandi 110 - Christensen in reserve 90 = 445
Mex after: Rocky (c) 240, Sidebottom 115, Christensen 90 - Gilbert in reserve 75 = 445
EVEN!!!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 13, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 02:43:40 PM
The trade is basically when broken down.
Heeney for Laverde + mediocre player
nothing wrong at all
It may seem obvious now which player is going to be good, but its rarely the case. Jack Watts, Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Scott Gumbleton... and even more recently in O'Rourke..
Langdon went in the 60s... So many variables.
We can say that about any player in hindsight. Rocky went in rookie draft. But all we can go on now is how they are currently rated based on their junior results and so far top 4 are streets ahead of the rest.
But so were Scully and Trengove...
My point is, you have to go with odds that a higher pick will be better than a lower pick.
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Haha, tbh I'm just lol'ing at some of the reasoning :p
Quote from: elephants on November 13, 2014, 03:35:43 PM
Haha, tbh I'm just lol'ing at some of the reasoning :p
I'm just procrastinating studying for my last exam :-X
Sandilands/Gibbs vs Rockliff/Gilbert - part 3
"Christchurch win the trade by too much"
With a 75 average, Gilbert would be my 2nd best defender! Losing him means my backline is even more spud. Sandi would be util 1, without him I would have to play Scully.
Chistchurch best XV:
Before: Rocky 240-260, Gilbert 75, Scully 80 = 395-415
After: Sandilands 220, Gibbs 105, Maguire 65 = 390
Even without factoring in the slight long term loss in the Rocky to Gibbs part, saying that Christchurch win the trade looks factually incorrect!
DO YOU NEED MORE???
I wasn't referring to your reasoning earlier btw :P
Quote from: elephants on November 13, 2014, 04:05:26 PM
I wasn't referring to your reasoning earlier btw :P
Haha yeah I know, I get the feeling it might have been aimed at a Brisbane supporter. Not naming anyone though.
I'm running out of reasons why anyone would possibly block the Rocky trade. It shouldn't even be put up for vote. There's literally nothing left to explain so I might have to open the floor for questions for part 4 :P
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Hey I know but seeing you value Rocky so much he went in the PSD did not even make 88 so can not use that. Draft picksathough are a lottery as we know and hence why I do not think you can value them that much differently, Other coaches may have different views and that is OK. Hind sight is wonderful though.
I am just hoping another gem falls to 67 for Brisbane this year
Quote from: Ringo on November 13, 2014, 04:24:01 PM
Hey I know but seeing you value Rocky so much he went in the PSD did not even make 88 so can not use that. Draft picksathough are a lottery as we know and hence why I do not think you can value them that much differently, Other coaches may have different views and that is OK. Hind sight is wonderful though.
I am just hoping another gem falls to 67 for Brisbane this year
Or pick up a gem in the Rookie draft ala Zac O'Brien ;).
Or pick up a spud in the rookie draft ala relton
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 04:37:55 PM
Or pick up a spud in the rookie draft ala relton
How dare you use the great one's name in vain
"Feel that Libba and Harley are younger and average more than counterparts, and that assumptions over long term positions shouldnt carry as much weight"
Thats the whole bloody point of the trade
Gunston is a forward 90 average forward, Bennell will not be a forward- he is an injury prone 95 mid.
Libba will get tagged next year, his average will be similar or drop, while Boak will have a more experienced core around him to help beat the tag and I project he will average more- right in the prime of his career
Or was the real reason it was negged was because Dublin were involved? People seem to be scared when Holz makes a big trade.
Anyway how do we move forward to get it approved.
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 13, 2014, 06:55:02 PM
"Feel that Libba and Harley are younger and average more than counterparts, and that assumptions over long term positions shouldnt carry as much weight"
Thats the whole bloody point of the trade
Gunston is a forward 90 average forward, Bennell will not be a forward- he is an injury prone 95 mid.
Or was the real reason it was negged was because Dublin were involved?
If it were any other team it would have passed.
Anyway how do we move forward to get it approved.
I haven't really got involved in this at all and I don't wanna start anything but the quote clearly stated it shouldn't carry AS MUCH weight. It can carry some weight, but it shouldn't be the SOLE reason for a trade.
Quote from: elephants on November 13, 2014, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 13, 2014, 06:55:02 PM
"Feel that Libba and Harley are younger and average more than counterparts, and that assumptions over long term positions shouldnt carry as much weight"
Thats the whole bloody point of the trade
Gunston is a forward 90 average forward, Bennell will not be a forward- he is an injury prone 95 mid.
Or was the real reason it was negged was because Dublin were involved?
If it were any other team it would have passed.
Anyway how do we move forward to get it approved.
I haven't really got involved in this at all and I don't wanna start anything but the quote clearly stated it shouldn't carry AS MUCH weight. It can carry some weight, but it shouldn't be the SOLE reason for a trade.
Team structure long term is more important than losing 10-15 ppg based on 2014 averages
I don't really see the controversy in the trade.
Ah well we will se if we can work something out, but either way very happy with our trades.
So the Petrie trade got rejected because of the Rocky one.
Are we only allowed to re-negotiate with same person?
Quote from: Vinny on November 13, 2014, 07:07:05 PM
So the Petrie trade got rejected because of the Rocky one.
Are we only allowed to re-negotiate with same person?
Yes lol.
Yay that none of our trades got rejected :D
Ftr, we didn't neg the Rocky deal, but surprised he keeps being traded! We wouldn't even consider trading him if we owned him!! :'(
Also didn't see a huge problem with the NDT picks trade, that #4 should be able to lock in a gem for them so worth some late pick downgrades.
Quote from: Toga on November 13, 2014, 07:21:10 PM
Yay that none of our trades got rejected :D
Ftr, we didn't neg the Rocky deal, but surprised he keeps being traded! We wouldn't even consider trading him if we owned him!! :'(
Also didn't see a huge problem with the NDT picks trade, that #4 should be able to lock in a gem for them so worth some late pick downgrades.
Yeah, us minnows wouldn't dare trade Rocky but it's a luxury the better teams have.
Yeah I wouldn't trade Rocky either unless an absolute ripper deal came in.
But it's hard to argue with Meows reasoning for the trade. Plus clearly no one can prove why it should be negged. Interested to see who the 5 coaches were. Hope they read Meows break-down of the trade.
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 13, 2014, 06:55:02 PM
"Feel that Libba and Harley are younger and average more than counterparts, and that assumptions over long term positions shouldnt carry as much weight"
Thats the whole bloody point of the trade
Gunston is a forward 90 average forward, Bennell will not be a forward- he is an injury prone 95 mid.
Libba will get tagged next year, his average will be similar or drop, while Boak will have a more experienced core around him to help beat the tag and I project he will average more- right in the prime of his career
Or was the real reason it was negged was because Dublin were involved? People seem to be scared when Holz makes a big trade.
Anyway how do we move forward to get it approved.
My issue with this trade was simple and related to Ossie's comment.
I believe Bennell will keep dpp for several seasons and maybe even his whole career give the strength of the Suns other mids and what he can give them as a forward.
So therefore:
Libba > Boak and Bennell > Gunston.
Holz needs to add something to his side to get the deal done.
For the record this was the only trade Cape Town negged although I wanted to neg the Yeo/Polec one but Chumps persuaded me not to (I really rate Duffy and Tarrant despite them not having now shown much so far)
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 13, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on November 13, 2014, 06:55:02 PM
"Feel that Libba and Harley are younger and average more than counterparts, and that assumptions over long term positions shouldnt carry as much weight"
Thats the whole bloody point of the trade
Gunston is a forward 90 average forward, Bennell will not be a forward- he is an injury prone 95 mid.
Libba will get tagged next year, his average will be similar or drop, while Boak will have a more experienced core around him to help beat the tag and I project he will average more- right in the prime of his career
Or was the real reason it was negged was because Dublin were involved? People seem to be scared when Holz makes a big trade.
Anyway how do we move forward to get it approved.
My issue with this trade was simple and related to Ossie's comment.
I believe Bennell will keep dpp for several seasons and maybe even his whole career give the strength of the Suns other mids and what he can give them as a forward.
So therefore:
Libba > Boak and Bennell > Gunston.
Holz needs to add something to his side to get the deal done.
For the record this was the only trade Cape Town negged although I wanted to neg the Yeo/Polec one but Chumps persuaded me not to (I really rate Duffy and Tarrant despite them not having now shown much so far)
Yep, Libba > Boak and Bennell > Gunston.
You didn't neg any if mine :o :P
[quote author=Vinny link=topic=98374.msg1497865#msg1497865 date=1415868923. Plus clearly no one can prove why it should be negged. Interested to see who the 5 coaches were. Hope they read Meows break-down of the trade.
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I read the break down and it's flawed.
The reason why it should go down is coming up
Here Holz, I'll save you the trouble.
"Mexico City are my #1 challenger and I don't want them to have Rocky so I am going to hone in on the most minute detail."
I think people sometimes forget that the absolute howlers of trades are the only ones that should be blocked. There has to be room for opinions along with facts.
Rocky > Gibbs
Gilbert < Sandi
That should be pretty obvious. Don't need to put it through the microscope to find a 0.2 point difference in average. I only did it to show that it was infact even, but people should have been able to realise that without the uber write up.
Quote from: meow meow on November 13, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
I think people sometimes forget that the absolute howlers of trades are the only ones that should be blocked. There has to be room for opinions along with facts.
Rocky - Gibbs deal - the real story.
Issue 1: "Gilbert and Sandi have roughly the same amount of years left"
Gilbert has only just turned 28, he has been injured the last few years but he is best 22 and fully fit i expect him to play upward of 20 games and he should do so for the next 3-4 years at least as he is a rock in defence as stkilda rebuild.
Sandilands is about to turn 32 and is just as injury prone if not more, before this year he only played 32 out of 66 possible games. One more injury as a 32 year old and he is gone, unlike gilbert 4 years his junior. they still have griffin who will be fit and he can play, secondly they have clarke and bucnh of other rucks they will want to develop. I expect 1 year and i think he will be managed throughout it too.
the result: plenty of years left for gilbert v 1 managed year for sandi
Issue 2: the 2014 scoring analysis
Rocky (c) 264
Gilbert 55
319
Sandi (c) 216
Gibbs 106
322
I have issue with putting Gilbert down as a 55 average in this scenario, as the other 3 were fully fit and gilbert wasnt. Gilbert went 85 unsibbed from 8 games last year and the year before he went 74. So for the sake of fairness he should be a 75 average. Its like saying Sandi is a 65 average using last years stats.
So its
264 + 75 = 339
v
216 + 106 = 322
Issue 3 the predication analysis
Before: Rocky 240-260, Gilbert 75, Scully 80 = 395-415
After: Sandilands 220, Gibbs 105, Maguire 65 = 390
Im reasonably happy with this anaylsis, given its used to show why they won the trade. But im going to expand on this abit.
Gilbert as stated went 85 last year, 74 the year before and 80 the year before that. I feel its more 75-80 but being lenient ill leave it at 75. Rocky has been massively undervalued, he gets his points from tackles and possesions, SC has the scalling and they will win more games next year and there will be more points to go around and yes more to take off but it shouldnt affect him too much. 120 is the worst case scenario, im tipping more like 125.
Secondly Gibbs is higly suspect, no clue how he can be locked in for a 105. the previous 3 years he has gone 103 95 95 and now 106. He had to play 100% of the season in the midfield to get that score, who is to say he wont get thrown around like he has been historically and drop back down to the 95 score. Secondly Carlton are rubbish and when they are getting pumped each week he will struggle to score as he doesnt put up the sheer possesions and tackles that a rocky type does.
If we are putting Rocky as a 120-130 than gibbs should also be a 95-105. For lenience again ill put him 100-105 even though i disagree
So its
Before: Rocky 240-260, Gilbert 75, Scully 80 = 395-415
After: Sandilands 220, Gibbs 100- 105, Maguire 65 = 385 - 390
Result: So next year they are predicted to lose on points by as little as 5 points and possibly 30 points.
Issue 4 the predication analysis in future years
As stated Gilbert has alot more years than Sanid so in 2-3 when Gilbert is still around and Sandi is not here is what it does.
Before: Rocky 240-260, Gilbert 75 = 315
After: Gibbs 100-105, Magurie 65 Captain 110 = 275 - 280
So this will result in 40-45 point loss in the medium term of 2-4 years.
When Gilbert does go its
Before: Rocky 240-260 = 240-260
After: Gibbs 100-105, Captain 110 = 210-215
So this is a 30-45 loss for the future.
Issue 5 This is Bad for the comp
Multiple Dublin Trades have got rejected for being not great for the comp and if thats the case than this is not just a bad trade but its bad for the comp.
Jroo did this analysis without this trade going through
Dublin: 1635
Mexico: 1607
As stated he has much much better depth than me so only 3 points difference in the starting squad with superior depth you could say he has a better squad next year
I have already stated how huge a win this is for Jroo, given Jroo's analysis i would say he is just as strong if not stronger than dublin already. This trade makes him easily the strongest team next year. If Dublin has trades getting rejected for getting too strong should a team getting stronger than Dublin also be rejected.
In summary:
Meow losses on points next year
Meow losses huge on points in the next 2-4 years
Meow losses very largely on points for the long term
Jroo has a crazy strong team and is just getting one of the most one sided trades ever go his way.
Result: Farcical if this goes through
This was Gibbs' first season as a full time midfielder, he is only 26. I'd fully expect improvement. He won't be thrown around at all, he will play midfield. Easy 105.
Quote from: meow meow on November 13, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
Here Holz, I'll save you the trouble.
1. Mexico City are my #1 challenger and I don't want them to have Rocky so I am going to hone in on the most minute detail.]
2. I think people sometimes forget that the absolute howlers of trades are the only ones that should be blocked. There has to be room for opinions along with facts.
3. Rocky > Gibbs
Gilbert < Sandi
That should be pretty obvious. Don't need to put it through the microscope to find a 0.2 point difference in average. I only did it to show that it was infact even, but people should have been able to realise that without the uber write up.
1. I dont care who you traded with, this could have been with PNL or NDT and I look at the trade on its merits and its not a minute detail its glaring.
2. this is one of the worst trades ever and I dont agree with the voting system but this trade is what it was created for.
3. Rocky >>>>> Gibbs
Gilbert >= Sandi
Issue 1
Gilbert is 28 and has dodgy feet. One more injury and he's finished. Sandi has stated that he wants to play on in 2016 (even if it's not at Freo - so their rucks stocks don't matter). The dude isn't going to shrink and even if his extreme pace deserts him he will still be a capable ruck for at least 2 seasons.
Issue 2
264 + 75 = 339
216 + 106 = 322
Not enough to block the trade over.
Issue 3
All opinion. I say Gibbs will get better, you say he won't. Not worth blocking it over.
Issue 4
More opinion.
Issue 5
Already shown that Mexico's best XV doesn't improve.
You rate Gibbs Holz, you chased him pretty hard ;)
Quote from: meow meow on November 13, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
Issue 1
Gilbert is 28 and has dodgy feet. One more injury and he's finished. Sandi has stated that he wants to play on in 2016 (even if it's not at Freo - so their rucks stocks don't matter). The dude isn't going to shrink and even if his extreme pace deserts him he will still be a capable ruck for at least 2 seasons.
Issue 2
264 + 75 = 339
216 + 106 = 322
Not enough to block the trade over.
Issue 3
All opinion. I say Gibbs will get better, you say he won't. Not worth blocking it over.
Issue 4
More opinion.
Issue 5
Already shown that Mexico's best XV doesn't improve.
Issue 1: Sandi has dodgy feet and is 32 and a big guy, big guys are more susceptible to injuries. He can say what he wants he will be managed and injuries will end him.
Issue 3: if its all opinion than lets have Rocky 132 and Gibbs 105.
taking out opinion Rocky is 27 points better. He also went 140 in the second half, he could even lift. He could get D/M status who knows. Everyone knows that Rocky is better than gibbs.
Issue 5: when sandi is gone in a year. Gibbs to Rocky is like a 30 point increase so it does improve the 22.
The last few pages of this thread.
tl;dr
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 13, 2014, 10:31:19 PM
You rate Gibbs Holz, you chased him pretty hard ;)
I do rate him, but he is basically being trade for rocky.
I gave up Mundy + 12 for Gibbs.
Mundy is a 104 old mid and picks i dont rate.
Rocky is a whole other level I got Boak + Gunston for him. Boak is basically Gibbs so Jroo is getting Gunston quality for free.
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 13, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
For the record this was the only trade Cape Town negged although I wanted to neg the Yeo/Polec one but Chumps persuaded me not to (I really rate Duffy and Tarrant despite them not having now shown much so far)
Interesting! We thought we'd need to pay a pretty high price to get Polec on board. Questions over Yeo's long-term positional prospects, and having a career ceiling of only 96 (where he played as a fwd, outside of his regular role) compared to Polec's season high of 141 (including 10 90+ games) made us think we had to add a bit on top. While Tarrant and Duffy aren't slouches, they haven't established themselves as having great JS which means they were on the outer of our team. Rather than have to make mass delistings we thought it would be more sensible to use them as sweeteners in the deal.
Wouldn't change it if we had the time again tbh, very happy with how our trades turned out :)
Explain how Gibbs won't improve? First year as a full time midfielder. Those other 90s numbers weren't as a full time midfielder so there is no reason he will go back to them. He is 26 and will play in the guts for the next 4 years. Murphy will always be no.1 tagged and Gibbs won't get tagged for more than 10 games for the year.
The playing for Carlton argument is bullshower. Rocky killed it in a bottom 4 team.
Top 10 losses ever is a MASSIVE exaggeration. This trade is hardly bad enough to neg.
Quote from: Master Q on November 13, 2014, 10:33:55 PM
The last few pages of this thread.
tl;dr
I hear ya brother.
Quote from: Vinny on November 13, 2014, 10:39:01 PM
Top 10 losses ever is a MASSIVE exaggeration. This trade is hardly bad enough to neg.
And here I am still trying to work out how Beijing lost Sidebottom :-X ???
Quote from: Vinny on November 13, 2014, 10:39:01 PM
Explain how Gibbs won't improve? First year as a full time midfielder. Those other 90s numbers weren't as a full time midfielder so there is no reason he will go back to them. He is 26 and will play in the guts for the next 4 years. Murphy will always be no.1 tagged and Gibbs won't get tagged for more than 10 games for the year.
The playing for Carlton argument is bullshower. Rocky killed it in a bottom 4 team.
Top 10 losses ever is a MASSIVE exaggeration. This trade is hardly bad enough to neg.
Career best year from an AFL standard. Carlton will keep slipping, most people are tipping them bottom 5. Rocky is an accumulator who gets 40+ touches and 10 tackles a game. Gibbs isnt that type of player, if you analyse the type of players who score well in winning and losing teams like I do, he will struggle.
top 10 worst trades is not an exageration, i think this is probably top 3 worst this trade period. Its certainly worse than 75%+ of the ones been rejected.
Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 10:44:29 PM
Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.
:'(
New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr
Quote from: Toga on November 13, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 13, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
For the record this was the only trade Cape Town negged although I wanted to neg the Yeo/Polec one but Chumps persuaded me not to (I really rate Duffy and Tarrant despite them not having now shown much so far)
Interesting! We thought we'd need to pay a pretty high price to get Polec on board. Questions over Yeo's long-term positional prospects, and having a career ceiling of only 96 (where he played as a fwd, outside of his regular role) compared to Polec's season high of 141 (including 10 90+ games) made us think we had to add a bit on top. While Tarrant and Duffy aren't slouches, they haven't established themselves as having great JS which means they were on the outer of our team. Rather than have to make mass delistings we thought it would be more sensible to use them as sweeteners in the deal.
Wouldn't change it if we had the time again tbh, very happy with how our trades turned out :)
Simply: If we thought Yeo will stay a defender, we would have kept him. But Polec is definitely better.
Besides, we have plenty of young talent :P
Quote from: Ricochet on November 13, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 10:44:29 PM
Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.
:'(
New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr
I cri evrytiem
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 10:32:55 PM
Issue 1: Sandi has dodgy feet and is 32 and a big guy, big guys are more susceptible to injuries. He can say what he wants he will be managed and injuries will end him.
Issue 3: if its all opinion than lets have Rocky 132 and Gibbs 105.
taking out opinion Rocky is 27 points better. He also went 140 in the second half, he could even lift. He could get D/M status who knows. Everyone knows that Rocky is better than gibbs.
Issue 5: when sandi is gone in a year. Gibbs to Rocky is like a 30 point increase so it does improve the 22.
1: They're as injury prone as each other. But that's the risk I am choosing to take.
3: I'm not disputing that Rocky is better than Gibbs. I'm not disputing that Sandi is 27 points better than Gilbert either :P.
5: He's got more than 1 year left in him. Plus you're assuming Rockliff can maintain his average with Beams, Rich etc in the team, while Gibbs doesn't improve at all. Opinion again.
ok one of these trades is wrong than
Rocky + Green gets Boak + Gunston
than Rocky + Gilbert gets Gibbs + Sandi
I rate Boak above Gibbs as proven 105+ scorer. But lets say even (even though they are not)
Gunston + Gilbert = Sandi + Green?
Im not sure about ytou but I rate 23 year old 90 average forwards over 32 year old rucks.
everyone should use their own opinion.
if people legit feel this is a faiir trade on their opinion than the system is flawed.
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 13, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 10:44:29 PM
Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.
:'(
New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr
I cri evrytiem
:-X
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 13, 2014, 10:56:21 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 13, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 13, 2014, 10:44:29 PM
Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.
:'(
New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr
I cri evrytiem
I rejected it last time and kept saying how bad it was.
next year people will do the same thing when this joke is let through and go how could this have happend.
Quote from: Toga on November 13, 2014, 11:00:25 PM
:-X
I voiced my opinion Fisher made his own choice. I was an assistant, how did I have any say over the decision?
Torp bud settle petal i wasn't talking about you. :)
Opinions... Opions everywhere!
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 10:52:33 PM
I rate Boak above Gibbs as proven 105+ scorer. But lets say even (even though they are not)
For the millionth time man, Gibbs only has one year of 105 because this is his first year in the midfield full time. Those years of 95 were in defence which was elite there. Boak has been playing there most of his career.
How can you rate one above the other? That's complete opinion.
I agree the system is flawed but in saying that. This trade isn't dead even but hardly bad enough to neg.
the opinion thing is rubbish,
people rejected Bennell on opinion.
the difference is im correct.
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
next year people will do the same thing when this joke is let through and go how could this have happend.
Calm down Holz, I don't think I am going to win it by that much ;)
I think meow's reasoning is pretty sound tbh - Holz, I think you need to consider that Gibbs has a very good chance of getting better, rather than just saying it's not gonna happen... Very opinionated debate.
Quote from: Toga on November 13, 2014, 11:06:52 PM
I think meow's reasoning is pretty sound tbh - Holz, I think you need to consider that Gibbs has a very good chance of getting better, rather than just saying it's not gonna happen... Very opinionated debate.
Rocky has a very good chance of keeping up his average, his seoncd half of the year was 140. last year when playing mids he went like 130 in the second half. those are numbers not opinion.
he used opinion, i used fact than opinion
Quote from: Vinny on November 13, 2014, 11:05:07 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 10:52:33 PM
I rate Boak above Gibbs as proven 105+ scorer. But lets say even (even though they are not)
For the millionth time man, Gibbs only has one year of 105 because this is his first year in the midfield full time. Those years of 95 were in defence which was elite there. Boak has been playing there most of his career.
How can you rate one above the other? That's complete opinion.
I agree the system is flawed but in saying that. This trade isn't dead even but hardly bad enough to neg.
So how did this one pass and our trade fail (we passed all trades bar the fake one for the record)?
If Meow can assume that Rocky will score less with the new mids coming to Brisbane (which I agree with) why can't we assume that Libba will drop now that Griffen has left and will very likely cop a tag every week which he has never had to deal with.
How do we know that Bennell will get DPP next season? We cannot. We need to work on the assumption he will not and see what is best to improve our list- which IMO we did.
Its not a risky trade one way or the other- I won't mind if we cannot get a workable deal because we get to keep Libba and Bennell but Boak and Gunston are better structually,
anyway.
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 10:54:43 PM
the system is flawed.
ding ding ding ding
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I think we can all agree that Rocky is GOAT <3
just a ten10 thing
Rocky pick 2 (granted abit early on reflection)
Gibbs pick 42 (this was too early, bias vin)
Sandi pick 177
hmmm
What did I miss? :P
Dude that's a ten player team comp with 10 teams.
There is 18 number one rucks. It would make no sense to pick Sandi early. Rucks are the least important line in that comp. Followed my midfielders. The early Mids went for C and VC options.
Plus Gilbert didn't even get picked.
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 11:09:05 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 13, 2014, 11:06:52 PM
I think meow's reasoning is pretty sound tbh - Holz, I think you need to consider that Gibbs has a very good chance of getting better, rather than just saying it's not gonna happen... Very opinionated debate.
Rocky has a very good chance of keeping up his average, his seoncd half of the year was 140. last year when playing mids he went like 130 in the second half. those are numbers not opinion.
he used opinion, i used fact than opinion
So what you're saying is that Rocky averaged 120 with Redden in the team?! Now he also has Christensen, Rich and Beams in there too, but I can't assume that they too might steal a few points off him, but you're allowed to flat out say that Gibbs won't improve?
Quote from: meow meow on November 13, 2014, 11:35:02 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 11:09:05 PM
Quote from: Toga on November 13, 2014, 11:06:52 PM
I think meow's reasoning is pretty sound tbh - Holz, I think you need to consider that Gibbs has a very good chance of getting better, rather than just saying it's not gonna happen... Very opinionated debate.
Rocky has a very good chance of keeping up his average, his seoncd half of the year was 140. last year when playing mids he went like 130 in the second half. those are numbers not opinion.
he used opinion, i used fact than opinion
So what you're saying is that Rocky averaged 120 with Redden in the team?! Now he also has Christensen, Rich and Beams in there too, but I can't assume that they too might steal a few points off him, but you're allowed to flat out say that Gibbs won't improve?
He went 130 the year before with rich and redden in the squad in the second half.
It's good that everyone is accepting the umpires decision with dignity and little fuss... ::) :-X
Haha, I just like arguing. I'm not getting worked up, I just can't see why the trade was blocked.
2 weeks ago Os said he thinks Gilbert is worth nothing and now Holz is saying he's worth as much as Sandilands. It's amusing.
This is pretty fun. Dunno what it's about though. ;)
Can we have a Big Brother type show with just Holz and Meow? Would pay moneys to see that one.
Holz, I know you're finding it difficult to deal with the fact that my opinion differs from yours, but here is my logic behind the trade.
I don't think Rocky will keep up his average.
I think Gibbs can improve.
These are my predictions:
Rocky 240 + Gilbert 75 = 315
Sandi 220 + Gibbs 110 = 330
Then Rocky 120 vs Gibbs 110 in a couple of years. Minor gain short term for a minor loss long term. I can see value in this trade.
My opinion may differ from yours and may be completely wrong, but that's the whole point of this competition. I hardly see this trade as being something that is going to make my team uncompetitive, which is the only reason why trades should be blocked.
The end.
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Holz, I know you're finding it difficult to deal with the fact that my opinion differs from yours, but here is my logic behind the trade.
I don't think Rocky will keep up his average.
I think Gibbs can improve.
These are my predictions:
Rocky 240 + Gilbert 75 = 315
Sandi 220 + Gibbs 110 = 330
Then Rocky 120 vs Gibbs 110 in a couple of years. Minor gain short term for a minor loss long term. I can see value in this trade.
My opinion may differ from yours and may be completely wrong, but that's the whole point of this competition. I hardly see this trade as being something that is going to make my team uncompetitive, which is the only reason why trades should be blocked.
The end.
If my Bennell trade is failing and people are saying thats bad for the comp. If thats the standard trades are being set at than its fine, but its not,.
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 12:15:55 AM
This is pretty fun. Dunno what it's about though. ;)
Can we have a Big Brother type show with just Holz and Meow? Would pay moneys to see that one.
Hahahaha this
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Holz, I know you're finding it difficult to deal with the fact that my opinion differs from yours, but here is my logic behind the trade.
to be fair meow, Holz is voicing his argument just as much as you're voicing your argument
Quote from: elephants on November 14, 2014, 12:32:29 AM
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 12:15:55 AM
This is pretty fun. Dunno what it's about though. ;)
Can we have a Big Brother type show with just Holz and Meow? Would pay moneys to see that one.
Hahahaha this
as long as meow is Skye ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Holz, I know you're finding it difficult to deal with the fact that my opinion differs from yours, but here is my logic behind the trade.
to be fair meow, Holz is voicing his argument just as much as you're voicing your argument
Yeah I know, I don't have a problem with it. I've even admitted that I might be wrong. Having a difference of opinion is actually a good thing and creates a bit of interest. Blocking my trade over it is not a good thing though. All that does is just limits my control over MY own team and removes my ability to have my own opinion.
He can be Ground for all I care.
Just wanna see the drama!
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:52:22 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Holz, I know you're finding it difficult to deal with the fact that my opinion differs from yours, but here is my logic behind the trade.
to be fair meow, Holz is voicing his argument just as much as you're voicing your argument
Yeah I know, I don't have a problem with it. I've even admitted that I might be wrong. Having a difference of opinion is actually a good thing and creates a bit of interest. Blocking my trade over it is not a good thing though. All that does is just limits my control over MY own team and removes my ability to have my own opinion.
Try instead of hapenning once , every single week
I agree soo much with your point but looking at the trades that have been rejected this certainly falls into the same category.
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Rocky 240 + Gilbert 75 = 315
Sandi 220 + Gibbs 110 = 330
Then Rocky 120 vs Gibbs 110 in a couple of years. Minor gain short term for a minor loss long term. I can see value in this trade.
If you can honestly say that you think there is no chance of this happening then block the trade. You might not think that it's likely to happen, but the only reason you can block it is if you think there's absolutely no chance of it happening under any circumstances.
Plus when I originally posted the trade, I said I want Gibbs because he never misses games, and wanted Sandi for a better ruck division. IMO they are little wins, and they have nothing to do with the numbers but I take these things into account when making the trade.
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 01:48:34 AM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Rocky 240 + Gilbert 75 = 315
Sandi 220 + Gibbs 110 = 330
Then Rocky 120 vs Gibbs 110 in a couple of years. Minor gain short term for a minor loss long term. I can see value in this trade.
If you can honestly say that you think there is no chance of this happening then block the trade. You might not think that it's likely to happen, but the only reason you can block it is if you think there's absolutely no chance of it happening under any circumstances.
Plus when I originally posted the trade, I said I want Gibbs because he never misses games, and wanted Sandi for a better ruck division. IMO they are little wins, and they have nothing to do with the numbers but I take these things into account when making the trade.
Can't I just say
Rocky 130
Gibbs 100
If you can't say there is no chance this won't happen you have to reject it?
If your giving people the benefit of the doubt and trusting coaches that's ok but than the bennel deal needs to pass.
Either both should pass or both should fail. If this Rocky deal goes through, all of my trades should have.
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 01:48:34 AM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 12:16:58 AM
Rocky 240 + Gilbert 75 = 315
Sandi 220 + Gibbs 110 = 330
Then Rocky 120 vs Gibbs 110 in a couple of years. Minor gain short term for a minor loss long term. I can see value in this trade.
If you can honestly say that you think there is no chance of this happening then block the trade. You might not think that it's likely to happen, but the only reason you can block it is if you think there's absolutely no chance of it happening under any circumstances.
Plus when I originally posted the trade, I said I want Gibbs because he never misses games, and wanted Sandi for a better ruck division. IMO they are little wins, and they have nothing to do with the numbers but I take these things into account when making the trade.
Can't I just say
Rocky 130
Gibbs 100
If you can't say there is no chance this won't happen you have to reject it?
No, you can't just say that as if it's the only possibility.
I could win the trade. I could lose the trade. I get it. I'm not as dogmatic as some people around here who can only see one possible scenario and are convinced that that's how it is going to be. I have my opinion and made the trade based on that but I am well aware that it might not go exactly as planned.
Plus you're disregarding the part about improved ruck depth. I will happily give up 5 points for improved ruck stocks. I would take a 5 point loss for gaining a mid who never misses games vs one who is more likely to miss. Not everything is all about the head to head numbers.
I would say losing your number 2 defender is bigger than a back up ruck who is an injury risk. Especially when one is 32 and one is 28.
Why not just have used gunston to pick up a young ruck who can play. You basically traded gunston for sandi
It's not just numbers I agree , but your losing on positions too.
Losing short term,medium term, long term and positionally.
I honestly can't see how your winning even if Gibbs improves and Rocky drops. It won't be enough. Calling it less than 1% chance you win or breakeven. Greater than 50% you lose huge.
Plus if people use the bad for comp reason it should apply here.
Geeez, took me about 20 minutes to catch up on all the talk in here today!
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 03:07:12 AM
I would say losing your number 2 defender is bigger than a back up ruck who is an injury risk. Especially when one is 32 and one is 28.
That 'back up' ruck would be my captain, so I would say that that adds some value. I'd also say that if Gilbert went down I would be able to replace him with someone who should score almost as much. If Minson goes down I'd be flowered. Makes Sandi way more valuable.
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 03:07:12 AM
Why not just have used gunston to pick up a young ruck who can play. You basically traded gunston for sandi
I tried to get Witts, I tried to get Grundy. Coaches aren't exactly keen on giving up young rucks!
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 03:07:12 AM
I honestly can't see how your winning even if Gibbs improves and Rocky drops. It won't be enough. Calling it less than 1% chance you win or breakeven. Greater than 50% you lose huge.
If you can't see how 330 vs 315 while getting better ruck depth and a more reliable mid would be a win, then I'm not sure what else I can say to that to convince you. Seems pretty obvious to me.
i want to be in big brother >:(
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 12:56:21 AM
He can be Ground for all I care.
Just wanna see the drama!
Haha this.
I have literally not read one post of this discussion.
But keep going.
I am just commenting on Rocky. My personal opinion he will only average 110/120 this year. My reasoning for this, and for someone, that studied Brisbane games closely Rocky got the majority of his possessions in the back half as he was roaming across hb line a fair bit of the time and exerting tackling pressure on opposing half forwards. Question for this year is will he have the same role with the return of Rich and to a certain extent Redden ( remember the 140 average for final games was in Reddens absence as well) Rocky averaged 123 to Reddens injury and 143 after it.
Also Beams and Christensen taking points of Rocky as well would not be surprised if he even averaged less than 110.
This has been my thinking in rating all the trades involving Rocky and why I was not willing to pay huge for him.
Quote from: Master Q on November 14, 2014, 09:14:32 AM
I have literally not read one post of this discussion.
But keep going.
Cool
But on the other hand Ringo, SC awards more points for players that have an impact on the game, and as we should be winning more games now, Rocky's possessions will be worth more points, so that would give his avg a small lift as well. And he averaged 130ish in the 2nd half of last year with Rich and Redden both in the team. I can't really see him going under 120, and I can't see Gibbs getting that close to 110 either. Obviously it's all going to come down to personal opinions of how everyone thinks those two guys will go over the next few years, but I'd say meow is losing this trade by more than how much NY are losing the Bennell trade.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2014, 03:14:20 AM
Geeez, took me about 20 minutes to catch up on all the talk in here today!
Haha this.
Yeah no chance Rocky will close to 130 IMO. He only started to find a lot of the ball when he had no mids, lol. Now Rich, Redden, Beams, Christo and Robbo come into that midfield and he's going to drop his output. I see him going 115-120 (which is still awesome, mind you).
I like Gibbs and yeah I reckon he's still got improvement too. Blues may be on the slide, but not sure how that effects him? Lions were shower last year and Rocky dominated?
Gilbert WAS a good scorer, but he's close to finished. They'll use him for a year or two and them dump him when they're kids are developed, or until he gets injured ::)
Now Sandi is a gun, you can't say he's worth next to nothing. Played close to every game this year and averaged close to 110 to make him one of the highest scoring players in the comp. Even if he does miss games, he's still scores well, just look at previous year's averages.
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Yes of course Rocky has less chance of improving.
Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol.
As I had I don't expect him to find as much ball next year, he was they're only decent mid apart from Pearce and Zorko.
They had guys like Bewick, Aish and co. in the mids last year, someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
#keepthefaithinGOAT
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
Sandi > Gilbert by 35 ppg for 2 years
Rocky > Gibbs by 15 ppg for 5 years
20 point improvement for the next 2 seasons, then a 15 point loss for the 3 seasons after that. How is that not even?
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
I just told you why ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
Also, Zorko is gonna get a lot less mid time. Christo and Robbo won't get a lot. Hanley will get less. Rich (I'm hoping) will be played off half back. And as I said before, the fact that we'll be winning games in itself should mean a points increase to balance out any points he loses from Beams (which is the only player I can really see having an effect on him).
Everyone keeps talking about Rich, Redden, Zorko, Hanley, Beams and Christo taking points off Rocky
Don't forget Stef Martin!
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
Also, Zorko is gonna get a lot less mid time. Christo and Robbo won't get a lot. Hanley will get less. Rich (I'm hoping) will be played off half back. And as I said before, the fact that we'll be winning games in itself should mean a points increase to balance out any points he loses from Beams (which is the only player I can really see having an effect on him).
I don't agree with your argument either.
Because you guys will win more games = Rocky's possessions more points.
Well he won't be finding as much of the ball, so even if you do he still will drop.
Yeah Zorko should play more up fwd, but Christo and Robbo will spend more time in the mids than up fwd. One of Hanley or Rich will have to play as a full-time mid, too.
JROO you need to believe
You don't get any more points for a handball in a winning team. A hard ball win then effective handball scores the same in a win as it does in a loss.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
I just told you why ;)
You said Rocky has peaked and Gibbs hasn't, yet Rocky is a year younger....
You said that players will still steal points off each other. I showed you that...
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106
Another example is in 2009 Ablett went 140, Jelwood 111, Chappy 115, Bartel 109, Corey 108
Midfielders only tend to drop away if they are forced out of midfield rotations. Rocky is still a top 3 mid at Brisbane
If anything they will win more footy because they'll have a stronger core group and he will improve
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:09:27 AM
You don't get any more points for a handball in a winning team. A hard ball win then effective handball scores the same in a win as it does in a loss.
no it doesn't if it's a close game and it's one of the reasons the team won they get influence points
or if they lose in a close game the winning team can take points off them
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 11:08:27 AM
Yeah Zorko should play more up fwd, but Christo and Robbo will spend more time in the mids than up fwd. One of Hanley or Rich will have to play as a full-time mid, too.
I think we're clutching at straws here :P Christo, Robbo and Zorko should be mainly forward flankers, and Hanley and Rich will more than likely play HBF - they aren't going to simply take Rocky out of the mids to put in guys that aren't as good as him/different kinds of player. I mean come on, Voss has been gone for a while now ;)
While I'm kinda adding my 5c here and there, as I said, we passed the trade as we didn't see any glaring problems with it, but still I don't agree with Rocky getting tossed around each trade period! Would love him in our team :P
I'm not saying Rocky will be a spud. 120 is still a flowering good average. It's possible to maintain his 130 average by in my opinion he won't. One less tackle, mark, handball and kick a game is all it will take for that drop off. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the extra mids will have that effect on his output.
Plus I need a back up ruck! Rocky is gun, but I don't like his chances of getting M/R dpp.
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:09:27 AM
You don't get any more points for a handball in a winning team. A hard ball win then effective handball scores the same in a win as it does in a loss.
Yeah, that's why I don't agree with it. Just because Brisbane will win more games,shouldn't really have an effect on him.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
I just told you why ;)
You said Rocky has peaked and Gibbs hasn't, yet Rocky is a year younger....
You said that players will still steal points off each other. I showed you that...
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106
Another example is in 2009 Ablett went 140, Jelwood 111, Chappy 115, Bartel 109, Corey 108
Midfielders only tend to drop away if they are forced out of midfield rotations. Rocky is still a top 3 mid at Brisbane
If anything they will win more footy because they'll have a stronger core group and he will improve
So? Just because he's younger doesn't mean he can't peak earlier ???
Yeah so? They did steal points of each other? I've said heaps of times that I think he can still stay at 120, which is pretty close to what all does guys are averaging there.
you do get more points in a winning team especially close games
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:16:11 AM
I'm not saying Rocky will be a spud. 120 is still a flowering good average. It's possible to maintain his 130 average by in my opinion he won't. One less tackle, mark, handball and kick a game is all it will take for that drop off. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the extra mids will have that effect on his output.
Plus I need a back up ruck! Rocky is gun, but I don't like his chances of getting M/R dpp.
Yes! That's what I'm trying to say.
Rocky 120 --> Gibbs 105 = 15 point loss
Sandi 110 --> Gilbert 75 = 35 point gain + much better depth
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So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
I just told you why ;)
You said Rocky has peaked and Gibbs hasn't, yet Rocky is a year younger....
You said that players will still steal points off each other. I showed you that...
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106
Another example is in 2009 Ablett went 140, Jelwood 111, Chappy 115, Bartel 109, Corey 108
Midfielders only tend to drop away if they are forced out of midfield rotations. Rocky is still a top 3 mid at Brisbane
If anything they will win more footy because they'll have a stronger core group and he will improve
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
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You don't get any more points for a handball in a winning team. A hard ball win then effective handball scores the same in a win as it does in a loss.
no it doesn't if it's a close game and it's one of the reasons the team won they get influence points
or if they lose in a close game the winning team can take points off them
Even players on the losing side get their points boosted in the dying moments. Plus this only happens in games where the result is under a goal. Factoring in how many times this will happen in a Brisbane game when determining a players value is kind of absurd and about as speculative as it gets.
you still get extra points though
if your team gets smashed by 60+ points you wont get as much points if your team had won
I move that Rockliff be traded to Beijing for Alipate Carlile - pretty fair deal so that should kill any need for debate.
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You don't get any more points for a handball in a winning team. A hard ball win then effective handball scores the same in a win as it does in a loss.
Yeah, that's why I don't agree with it. Just because Brisbane will win more games,shouldn't really have an effect on him.
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So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Why can't i? That's my opinion.
Yes. Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol. Gibbs can easily get better.
Apart from Hanley and Zorko, they had Bewick, Aish and co. In the mids last year, Someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
At a similar age, Ablett went from 114 to 132. He then went to 140 the next year. No-one would have thought that possible back then. Rocky will probably never be the player that Ablett has become in real life, but in terms of fantasy scoring, why can't he?
I just told you why ;)
You said Rocky has peaked and Gibbs hasn't, yet Rocky is a year younger....
You said that players will still steal points off each other. I showed you that...
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106
Another example is in 2009 Ablett went 140, Jelwood 111, Chappy 115, Bartel 109, Corey 108
Midfielders only tend to drop away if they are forced out of midfield rotations. Rocky is still a top 3 mid at Brisbane
If anything they will win more footy because they'll have a stronger core group and he will improve
So? Just because he's younger doesn't mean he can't peak earlier ???
Yeah so? They did steal points of each other? I've said heaps of times that I think he can still stay at 120, which is pretty close to what all does guys are averaging there.
In those years...
2012: Swan
improved from 122 to 126, Beams
improved from 101 to 123, Sidebottom
improved from 83 to 106, only Pendles declined from 129 to 125 and he is the #1 target for opponents and taggers, Rocky is not.
Players generally peak closer to 30 mate, and even then some improve after 30. Not at 24
Guys, you have resubbed the trade and kept it as is
This conversation is going on forever, and around in circles
I think the coaches have seen enough here now to decide if they are going to pass or neg it :P
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 14, 2014, 11:26:12 AM
you still get extra points though
if your team gets smashed by 60+ points you wont get as much points if your team had won
Factually incorrect.
Heaps of the best scorers are from shower teams. Maybe players score higher in wins because they played better, hence the reason for them winning! They don't just say "Oh, Zac Dawson's team won so lets give him an extra 10 points".
Some players in losing teams get scaled up.
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Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.
Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Guys, you have resubbed the trade and kept it as is
This conversation is going on forever, and around in circles
I think the coaches have seen enough here now to decide if they are going to pass or neg it :P
Was going to say this.
Here's an idea - Ossie puts the trade to vote next Monday and all coaches get to decide if they want to pass or neg it? :P
actually it is correct
it's more so if your team gets smashed by 60+ it's more likely you will get scaled down and less likely you will get scaled up
and players do get scaled sometimes just because there team won
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Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.
Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline
No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P
They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.
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In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.
Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline
Haha I never said he was playing half back. I am saying he won't be getting those easy kicks that make his stats look oh so good. Brisbane needed him to do it last year, but with Hanley and Rich back there Rockliff will have to earn more possessions rather than getting the easy uncontested cheap kicks that he loved to float back and rack up.
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Guys, you have resubbed the trade and kept it as is
This conversation is going on forever, and around in circles
I think the coaches have seen enough here now to decide if they are going to pass or neg it :P
Was going to say this.
Here's an idea - Ossie puts the trade to vote next Monday and all coaches get to decide if they want to pass or neg it? :P
There's nothing wrong with a bit of discussion. Nobody has had a hissy fit... yet.
Not saying you guys shouldn't discuss trades... I do, and like it too :P
But after however many pages where have you come? :P
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In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.
Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline
No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P
They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.
But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve
Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.
So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.
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Quote from: Master Q on November 14, 2014, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2014, 11:27:29 AM
Guys, you have resubbed the trade and kept it as is
This conversation is going on forever, and around in circles
I think the coaches have seen enough here now to decide if they are going to pass or neg it :P
Was going to say this.
Here's an idea - Ossie puts the trade to vote next Monday and all coaches get to decide if they want to pass or neg it? :P
There's nothing wrong with a bit of discussion. Nobody has had a hissy fit... yet.
There's nothing wrong at all with a bit of discussion, but its like 6 or so pages now... We get your points by now :P
Nothing to see here guys.
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Nothing to see here guys.
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ROFL!! This sums up my feelings 100% haha
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Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.
Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline
No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P
They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.
But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve
Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.
So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.
as meow said:
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Did I say Gibbs will def improve? You're the one saying Rocky has more of chance of improving, than Gibbs which makes no sense to me.
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Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.
Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline
No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P
They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.
But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve
Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.
So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.
YES!
Based on their averages right now, the trade has to pass because Sandi averages a flowerload more than Gilbert. More than enough to make up for the Rocky to Gibbs part.
It's not just Rockliff vs Gibbs! Even if their averages don't change it is still an even trade. For me to win, Rocky has to decline and Gibbs improve. If nothing changes it is dead even already.
Okay, I'm done.
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Quote from: Toga on November 14, 2014, 11:26:55 AM
I move that Rockliff be traded to Beijing for Alipate Carlile - pretty fair deal so that should kill any need for debate.
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Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis
well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.
Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline
No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P
They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.
But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve
Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.
So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.
as meow said:
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.
Did I say Gibbs will def improve? You're the one saying Rocky has more of chance of improving, than Gibbs which makes no sense to me.
Umm no I didn't. I've only made arguments for Rocky to improve. Which is just as likely as a decline.
Same goes for Gibbs.
You said it here, and also agreed with the predicted 110ave... which is an improvement
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:41:32 AM
I like Gibbs and yeah I reckon he's still got improvement too. Blues may be on the slide, but not sure how that effects him? Lions were shower last year and Rocky dominated?
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:41:32 AM
Yeah no chance Rocky will close to 130 IMO. He only started to find a lot of the ball when he had no mids, lol. Now Rich, Redden, Beams, Christo and Robbo come into that midfield and he's going to drop his output. I see him going 115-120 (which is still awesome, mind you).
And I showed good mids can still score well in a team stacked with other good mids
My point all along has been that you can't only argue that Rocky will decline when both Gibbs and Rocky are similar chance to improve/decline.
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Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 12:08:50 PM
My point all along has been that you can't only argue that Rocky will decline when both Gibbs and Rocky are similar chance to improve/decline.
Well I just did. I just don't believe they are a similar change to, but I'm not going to go through it again.
Ablett and Zac Dawson both have the same chance of improving/declining, don't they?
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Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 12:08:50 PM
My point all along has been that you can't only argue that Rocky will decline when both Gibbs and Rocky are similar chance to improve/decline.
Well I just did. I just don't believe they are a similar change to, but I'm not going to go through it again.
Ablett and Zac Dawson both have the same chance of improving/declining, don't they?
Pfft. Gary Ablett might...
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Nige you better watch PnR, because if you don't then you have no right to post Ron Swanson gifs.
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End of the day all this speculation either way means that neither side is getting really trade raped so therefore it doesn't need to be negged.
Voting is to stop howlers not to make sure every trade is 100% even
Well we passed the trade as I actually though JROO was losing. I also don't believe Gilbert will get back to his best and will probably be delisted in a season or two when the kids develop at the Saints.
#FutureFest means no future for Gilbert imo.
Rockliff is better than Gibbs but Sandi's value as arguably the #1 SC ruck (if he can stay fully fit) is a lot more than Gilspud imo.
What I don't agree with though is re-submiting the trade as is. It was rejected because coaches felt it needs to be changes so this is just a recipe for it getting rejected again (although we'll probably vote the same way).
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
End of the day all this speculation either way means that neither side is getting really trade raped so therefore it doesn't need to be negged.
Voting is to stop howlers not to make sure every trade is 100% even
This sums it up.
It's good to have meow back.
Quote from: Holz on November 13, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
Issue 5 This is Bad for the comp
Multiple Dublin Trades have got rejected for being not great for the comp and if thats the case than this is not just a bad trade but its bad for the comp.
Jroo did this analysis without this trade going through
Dublin: 1635
Mexico: 1607
As stated he has much much better depth than me so only 3 points difference in the starting squad with superior depth you could say he has a better squad next year
I have already stated how huge a win this is for Jroo, given Jroo's analysis i would say he is just as strong if not stronger than dublin already. This trade makes him easily the strongest team next year. If Dublin has trades getting rejected for getting too strong should a team getting stronger than Dublin also be rejected.
So here's the real issue for you Holz; you're concerned that Mexico might actually challenge Dublin if this trade gets through. If anything, this is good for the comp as it's no longer just a one horse race. Your 'logic' is saturated in bias.
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I rate Boak above Gibbs as proven 105+ scorer. But lets say even (even though they are not)
For the millionth time man, Gibbs only has one year of 105 because this is his first year in the midfield full time. Those years of 95 were in defence which was elite there. Boak has been playing there most of his career.
How can you rate one above the other? That's complete opinion.
I agree the system is flawed but in saying that. This trade isn't dead even but hardly bad enough to neg.
So how did this one pass and our trade fail (we passed all trades bar the fake one for the record)?
If Meow can assume that Rocky will score less with the new mids coming to Brisbane (which I agree with) why can't we assume that Libba will drop now that Griffen has left and will very likely cop a tag every week which he has never had to deal with.
How do we know that Bennell will get DPP next season? We cannot. We need to work on the assumption he will not and see what is best to improve our list- which IMO we did.
Its not a risky trade one way or the other- I won't mind if we cannot get a workable deal because we get to keep Libba and Bennell but Boak and Gunston are better structually,
anyway.
You keep saying, 'it's for the long term' with Gunston guaranteed to be a full time forward, but if you're actually planning for the long term, then why are you trading one of the most promising fantasy youngsters for consequently an older mid?
Libba's averaged four more points than Boak when comparing their career best seasons and he's
four years younger.
Harley's averaged 7 points more than Gunston when comparing their career best seasons and is a year younger.
I understand that 'long term' structure is important but if this trade period's any indication, there are a huge amount of changes made each year, and to make a trade solely because in two/three years time Gunston will still be a forward without considering the points lost and potential squandered by trading Libba seems pretty conterintuitive to me.
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Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 14, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Yes of course Rocky has less chance of improving.
Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol.
As I had I don't expect him to find as much ball next year, he was they're only decent mid apart from Pearce and Zorko.
They had guys like Bewick, Aish and co. in the mids last year, someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
Can you explain the back half of 2013 when he averaged like 129
with Rich Redden Moloney all fit and playing?
Rich will move to backline so he is out, Robbo will play a lot up front and so can Christo.
and now they should start winning games so more points to share around.
I can see 125+ very very possible.
people should give me rocky back if you think he is a 115 mid.
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so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.
But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.
Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.
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So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o
In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.
Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off
Yes of course Rocky has less chance of improving.
Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol.
As I had I don't expect him to find as much ball next year, he was they're only decent mid apart from Pearce and Zorko.
They had guys like Bewick, Aish and co. in the mids last year, someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.
Can you explain the back half of 2013 when he averaged like 129
with Rich Redden Moloney all fit and playing?
Rich will move to backline so he is out, Robbo will play a lot up front and so can Christo.
and now they should start winning games so more points to share around.
I can see 125+ very very possible.
people should give me rocky back if you think he is a 115 mid.
Yes I can, actually.
What about Simon Black?
Rocky averaged 80 when Black was in the side, 112 when he was out.
Rocky usually scores well most games, but he goes crazy when other mids are out.
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not from my analysis he doesn't. He scores just as well no matter the composition, it just depends if he plays forward or midfield. He will still play the same role so im not worried.
what do you see him averaging next year Jroo and into the future
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so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.
But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.
Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.
You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.
The other trades that have failed, have been unfair (such as the Bennell and WHE one).
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not from my analysis he doesn't. He scores just as well no matter the composition, it just depends if he plays forward or midfield. He will still play the same role so im not worried.
what do you see him averaging next year Jroo and into the future
As Ringo said he averaged way more when Redden was out. It does matter.
Around 120, while Gibbs 105-110.
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so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.
But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.
Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.
You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.
The other trades that have failed, have been unfair (such as the Bennell and WHE one).
more fair than a lot of the trades passing. I have had to lose trades to get them passed.
most of the coaches I spoke to said I lost the Sloane deal(and I did) but I needed it as I was not allowed to trade my picks. IN the Swan Chappy deal that the Dillos wanted.
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so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.
But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.
Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.
You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.
The other trades that have failed, have been unfair (such as the Bennell and WHE one).
that Sloane deal was a loss but a strucutal improvement, I overpaid and my advisers agreed.
Mundy + 12 got me Gibbs and that was rejected.
Hansen could have got me Sandi
so Basically I could have got Rocky for 12 + Mundy + Hansen if I was allowed to freely trade.
Also Dillos preferred my Swan deal but took a lower offer and that happened twice.
Sloane is much better than Boak (doesn't get tagged) and same with Roughy (won't lose fwd status + better scorer), so I don't think you overpaid.
They were at different times, no one wanted picks earlier but as it's getting closer to the draft people wanted them more.
And no, I wouldn't have done Sandi for Hansen.
You were allowed to trade your Mundy trade passed, but it included Black from the other deal which failed, I think.
So far no one has convinced me to change the Cairo vote.
Keep trying. ;)
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so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.
But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.
Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.
You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.
The other trades that have failed, have been unfair (such as the Bennell and WHE one).
that Sloane deal was a loss but a strucutal improvement, I overpaid and my advisers agreed.
Mundy + 12 got me Gibbs and that was rejected.
Hansen could have got me Sandi
so Basically I could have got Rocky for 12 + Mundy + Hansen if I was allowed to freely trade.
Also Dillos preferred my Swan deal but took a lower offer and that happened twice.
Sloane is much better than Boak (doesn't get tagged) and same with Roughy (won't lose fwd status + better scorer), so I don't think you overpaid.
They were at different times, no one wanted picks earlier but as it's getting closer to the draft people wanted them more.
And no, I wouldn't have done Sandi for Hansen.
You were allowed to trade your Mundy trade passed, but it included Black from the other deal which failed, I think.
you offered me Sandi for Hansen I rejected it, I have the PM
they wanted picks, I was told I couldn't trade picks for depth.
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Issue 5 This is Bad for the comp
Multiple Dublin Trades have got rejected for being not great for the comp and if thats the case than this is not just a bad trade but its bad for the comp.
Jroo did this analysis without this trade going through
Dublin: 1635
Mexico: 1607
As stated he has much much better depth than me so only 3 points difference in the starting squad with superior depth you could say he has a better squad next year
I have already stated how huge a win this is for Jroo, given Jroo's analysis i would say he is just as strong if not stronger than dublin already. This trade makes him easily the strongest team next year. If Dublin has trades getting rejected for getting too strong should a team getting stronger than Dublin also be rejected.
So here's the real issue for you Holz; you're concerned that Mexico might actually challenge Dublin if this trade gets through. If anything, this is good for the comp as it's no longer just a one horse race. Your 'logic' is saturated in bias.
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I rate Boak above Gibbs as proven 105+ scorer. But lets say even (even though they are not)
For the millionth time man, Gibbs only has one year of 105 because this is his first year in the midfield full time. Those years of 95 were in defence which was elite there. Boak has been playing there most of his career.
How can you rate one above the other? That's complete opinion.
I agree the system is flawed but in saying that. This trade isn't dead even but hardly bad enough to neg.
So how did this one pass and our trade fail (we passed all trades bar the fake one for the record)?
If Meow can assume that Rocky will score less with the new mids coming to Brisbane (which I agree with) why can't we assume that Libba will drop now that Griffen has left and will very likely cop a tag every week which he has never had to deal with.
How do we know that Bennell will get DPP next season? We cannot. We need to work on the assumption he will not and see what is best to improve our list- which IMO we did.
Its not a risky trade one way or the other- I won't mind if we cannot get a workable deal because we get to keep Libba and Bennell but Boak and Gunston are better structually,
anyway.
You keep saying, 'it's for the long term' with Gunston guaranteed to be a full time forward, but if you're actually planning for the long term, then why are you trading one of the most promising fantasy youngsters for consequently an older mid?
Libba's averaged four more points than Boak when comparing their career best seasons and he's four years younger.
Harley's averaged 7 points more than Gunston when comparing their career best seasons and is a year younger.
I understand that 'long term' structure is important but if this trade period's any indication, there are a huge amount of changes made each year, and to make a trade solely because in two/three years time Gunston will still be a forward without considering the points lost and potential squandered by trading Libba seems pretty conterintuitive to me.
I will stop trying to explain why it helps our team.
Basically the trade is being blocked because Dublin are involved.
Do you not think Boak will improve at the prime of his career to a 110+ mid?
Do you not think that Libba will fall next year or two when he cops the tag every week now Griffen has left.
Do you trust that Bennell with his injury history?
It was not a controversial trade at all, but anyway... we may have come up with a deal New York and Dublin are happy to do. But I don't see the point of it because
no one some people don't seem to have logic and common sense and I think it would be blocked.
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so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.
But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.
Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.
You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.
The other trades that have failed, have been unfair (such as the Bennell and WHE one).
that Sloane deal was a loss but a strucutal improvement, I overpaid and my advisers agreed.
Mundy + 12 got me Gibbs and that was rejected.
Hansen could have got me Sandi
so Basically I could have got Rocky for 12 + Mundy + Hansen if I was allowed to freely trade.
Also Dillos preferred my Swan deal but took a lower offer and that happened twice.
Sloane is much better than Boak (doesn't get tagged) and same with Roughy (won't lose fwd status + better scorer), so I don't think you overpaid.
They were at different times, no one wanted picks earlier but as it's getting closer to the draft people wanted them more.
And no, I wouldn't have done Sandi for Hansen.
You were allowed to trade your Mundy trade passed, but it included Black from the other deal which failed, I think.
you offered me Sandi for Hansen I rejected it, I have the PM
they wanted picks, I was told I couldn't trade picks for depth.
I don't remember that, but I remember talking about it. But didn't want to do it after I got SDT, as didn't need defenders.
You can't really use that as an argument though. "I was offered Zac Dawson for Ablett (wouldn't surprise if NDT actually were) so now I can trade him for anyone in the comp and it would be fair"
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Haha you deffo have :p
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If I could be flowered I'd go back an find it lol
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Do you know how many flowering posts you have haha
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Haha you deffo have :p
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If I could be flowered I'd go back an find it lol
Pls do. :P
Do you know how many flowering posts you have haha
Not as many as you. ;)
I've already updated my team thread and list lodgement to include Sandi and Gibbs and if the trade fails again I will have to go back and fix it. That's a loss of 9 seconds of my life so I don't know how you can block it again if you have any conscience at all.
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I honestly cannot remember using this once before.
That said, I've kept it handy because it's so good haha.
Haha you deffo have :p
Fairly sure I haven't, I generally try not to repeat the gifs I post unless they're absolutely amazing ones and perfect for the moment.
If I could be flowered I'd go back an find it lol
Pls do. :P
Do you know how many flowering posts you have haha
Not as many as you. ;)
Lets not lose sight of what's really important, the Rocky trade ;)
Dawson > life
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I've already updated my team thread and list lodgement to include Sandi and Gibbs and if the trade fails again I will have to go back and fix it. That's a loss of 9 seconds of my life so I don't know how you can block it again if you have any conscience at all.
I'm still trying to get the 9 minutes of my life back that I lost to watching the music video of Telephone by Lady Gaga feat Beyonce. I still don't even know why I sat through it.
Quote from: elephants on November 14, 2014, 02:17:49 PM
Lets not lose sight of what's really important, the Rocky trade ;)
Dawson > life
The Rocky trade? Our decision won't change even if people keep discussing this until November 2020. :P
Can't disagree on the Dawson front.
Why is it the Rocky trade? Why can't it be called the Gibbs trade?
If Sandilands was going to be traded for a pick, what range would the pick have to be within?
Vin got pick 15 + extras for Swan, a (former and maybe again) premo with 2 years left. Sandi would be in the same 15-20 range, right?
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
If Sandilands was going to be traded for a pick, what range would the pick have to be within?
Vin got pick 15 + extras for Swan, a (former and maybe again) premo with 2 years left. Sandi would be in the same 15-20 range, right?
I'd personally value Swan higher than Sandi, due to Swan not having the injury history Sandi has, and that Sandi could easily retire at the end of 2015 (Even though he says for now he wants to play 2016)
I'd say a 2nd round pick would be fair for Sandi, something in the mid 20's.
It just depends I guess, if anything else was added etc
I mean, if you got Pick 18 for him as an example, I think I would be fine with that.
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
If Sandilands was going to be traded for a pick, what range would the pick have to be within?
Vin got pick 15 + extras for Swan, a (former and maybe again) premo with 2 years left. Sandi would be in the same 15-20 range, right?
I was offered pick 6 (that was before priority picks were announced) + a player upgrade, early in the trade period.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 14, 2014, 03:32:38 PM
I'd personally value Swan higher than Sandi, due to Swan not having the injury history Sandi has, and that Sandi could easily retire at the end of 2015 (Even though he says for now he wants to play 2016)
I'd say a 2nd round pick would be fair for Sandi, something in the mid 20's
Thanks. If every other team could give their opinion that'd be great so we can figure out what he is worth, then amend the trade accordingly.
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If Sandilands was going to be traded for a pick, what range would the pick have to be within?
Vin got pick 15 + extras for Swan, a (former and maybe again) premo with 2 years left. Sandi would be in the same 15-20 range, right?
I'd personally value Swan higher than Sandi, due to Swan not having the injury history Sandi has, and that Sandi could easily retire at the end of 2015 (Even though he says for now he wants to play 2016)
I'd say a 2nd round pick would be fair for Sandi, something in the mid 20's
that's where I would put him too. Swan is 2 years younger and as you said doesn't have that ongoing injury history that Sandi has.
Swan is also chance of DPP which needs to be factored in. Swanhad the possibility that he could be a 105+ 30 year old forward but more likely a 100+ 30 year mid.
so yeah around 25 is what I think he is worth.
For the record the club involved had nothing to do with me suggesting to Chumps we neg the trade (and he was clearly of the same opinion as me).
It would not have mattered if it had been Dublin or NDT involved on the other side - the deal is unfair and New York are losing out big time.
Bennell > Gunston
Libba > Boak
Both the guys on the left are younger as well.
Something has to be added on the side of the person getting Bennell and Libba for this one to pass from our perspective. If you don't add anything and re-submit as is like the other deal then our vote won't change.
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If Sandilands was going to be traded for a pick, what range would the pick have to be within?
Vin got pick 15 + extras for Swan, a (former and maybe again) premo with 2 years left. Sandi would be in the same 15-20 range, right?
I'd personally value Swan higher than Sandi, due to Swan not having the injury history Sandi has, and that Sandi could easily retire at the end of 2015 (Even though he says for now he wants to play 2016)
I'd say a 2nd round pick would be fair for Sandi, something in the mid 20's
that's where I would put him too. Swan is 2 years younger and as you said doesn't have that ongoing injury history that Sandi has.
Swan is also chance of DPP which needs to be factored in. Swanhad the possibility that he could be a 105+ 30 year old forward but more likely a 100+ 30 year mid.
so yeah around 25 is what I think he is worth.
Yes Swanny slightly ahead.
But remember they got more than pick 15, they got a couple of ok depth players too.
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If Sandilands was going to be traded for a pick, what range would the pick have to be within?
Vin got pick 15 + extras for Swan, a (former and maybe again) premo with 2 years left. Sandi would be in the same 15-20 range, right?
I'd personally value Swan higher than Sandi, due to Swan not having the injury history Sandi has, and that Sandi could easily retire at the end of 2015 (Even though he says for now he wants to play 2016)
I'd say a 2nd round pick would be fair for Sandi, something in the mid 20's
that's where I would put him too. Swan is 2 years younger and as you said doesn't have that ongoing injury history that Sandi has.
Swan is also chance of DPP which needs to be factored in. Swanhad the possibility that he could be a 105+ 30 year old forward but more likely a 100+ 30 year mid.
so yeah around 25 is what I think he is worth.
Yes Swanny slightly ahead.
But remember they got more than pick 15, they got a couple of ok depth players too.
We'll save the debating for later.
Currently we're 2/16 and Sandi is worth pick 25ish
Sandi worth pick 10, Swan worth pick 10
At best Sandi will play 30 more games and that's IF he plays two more seasons. 32yo injury prone Ruckman, he's the heaviest player in the comp.
Knees and ankles fail..
Rockliff is elite, Gibbs is not. The trade is not even. Add a 2nd rd pick and it will probably be enough to pass it.
It's not a very good trade for Christchurch, and makes little sense to do. ....That's my two cents. ;)
Poop.
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 04:40:57 PM
At best Sandi will play 30 more games and that's IF he plays two more seasons. 32yo injury prone Ruckman, he's the heaviest player in the comp.
Knees and ankles fail..
Rockliff is elite, Gibbs is not. The trade is not even. Add a 2nd rd pick and it will probably be enough to pass it.
It's not a very good trade for Christchurch, and makes little sense to do. ....That's my two cents. ;)
Gibbs is elite!
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 04:40:57 PM
At best Sandi will play 30 more games and that's IF he plays two more seasons. 32yo injury prone Ruckman, he's the heaviest player in the comp.
Knees and ankles fail..
Rockliff is elite, Gibbs is not. The trade is not even. Add a 2nd rd pick and it will probably be enough to pass it.
It's not a very good trade for Christchurch, and makes little sense to do. ....That's my two cents. ;)
Gibbs is elite!
So is Sandi, as a ruckman :)
Quote from: JROO8 on November 14, 2014, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 04:40:57 PM
At best Sandi will play 30 more games and that's IF he plays two more seasons. 32yo injury prone Ruckman, he's the heaviest player in the comp.
Knees and ankles fail..
Rockliff is elite, Gibbs is not. The trade is not even. Add a 2nd rd pick and it will probably be enough to pass it.
It's not a very good trade for Christchurch, and makes little sense to do. ....That's my two cents. ;)
Gibbs is elite!
So is Sandi, as a ruckman :)
Lets go Bob Murphy + Boak for Rocky + Gilbert in the next trade period if NDS get DPP
So should I read any of this or can I just ignore it and stick to my previous vote?
Not sure if this is actually swaying anyone or if this is just arguing for the fun of it.
Honestly the trade is the exact same, I'm not changing my vote based on others thoughts. Your call if you wanna do that, but ain't no one gonna tell me what my opinion should be.
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
So should I read any of this or can I just ignore it and stick to my previous vote?
Not sure if this is actually swaying anyone or if this is just arguing for the fun of it.
Honestly the trade is the exact same, I'm not changing my vote based on others thoughts. Your call if you wanna do that, but ain't no one gonna tell me what my opinion should be.
Pretty sure people just like to dog and moan when their trades don't go through.
Quote from: Nige on November 14, 2014, 06:15:11 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
So should I read any of this or can I just ignore it and stick to my previous vote?
Not sure if this is actually swaying anyone or if this is just arguing for the fun of it.
Honestly the trade is the exact same, I'm not changing my vote based on others thoughts. Your call if you wanna do that, but ain't no one gonna tell me what my opinion should be.
Pretty sure people just like to dog and moan when their trades don't go through.
Pretty sure this is good debate, not doging and moaning.
And yes all of it should be read to help give your opinion some information into the trade.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
Pretty sure this is good debate, not doging and moaning.
And yes all of it should be read to help give your opinion some information into the trade.
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
So should I read any of this or can I just ignore it and stick to my previous vote?
Not sure if this is actually swaying anyone or if this is just arguing for the fun of it.
Honestly the trade is the exact same, I'm not changing my vote based on others thoughts. Your call if you wanna do that, but ain't no one gonna tell me what my opinion should be.
Not going to lie, I'm just arguing for the fun of it.
What's your opinion though?
So you guys assuming I haven't already looked into this stuff before I voted on the trade the first time? The opinions aren't gonna convince me and I've already taken stats into account.
Just makes me feel like people think some coaches flip a coin to make these decisions.
Don't worry about my opinion. I'm not someone you need to sway. ;)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
Pretty sure this is good debate, not doging and moaning.
It might be, still doesn't change what I said.
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 02:16:48 PM
I've already updated my team thread and list lodgement to include Sandi and Gibbs and if the trade fails again I will have to go back and fix it. That's a loss of 9 seconds of my life so I don't know how you can block it again if you have any conscience at all.
Perfect reason to approve trade ;) ;)
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
I said 'who' not 'are you' didnt I?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
I said 'who' not 'are you' didnt I?
"because
you negged his attempt at ruck cover", clearly directed at Nige/ML
But to answer your question JB, maybe meow should take responsibility after he traded away all of his ruck cover. Wouldn't you agree?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
wont matter was a threat until he traded away his best player for a average premo mid.
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
wont matter was a threat until he traded away his best player for a average premo mid.
... an average premo mid...
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/179/e/0/chef_bot___does_not_compute__by_giframa-d555wi8.gif)
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
I said 'who' not 'are you' didnt I?
"because you negged his attempt at ruck cover", clearly directed at Nige/ML
Well no, who initially refers to everyone who negged and then the 'you' is directed at those who negged. I know how i intended my sentence.
And its not meows fault as he has done what he can to bring in good cover
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Don't injure Mummy please or we'll lose to Seoul again.
Quote from: Nige on November 14, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Don't injure Mummy please or we'll lose to Seoul again.
you will lose with or without your Mummy
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
I said 'who' not 'are you' didnt I?
"because you negged his attempt at ruck cover", clearly directed at Nige/ML
Well no, who initially refers to everyone who negged and then the 'you' is directed at those who negged. I know how i intended my sentence.
And its not meows fault as he has done what he can to bring in good cover
So are you saying that every coach who thought IN THEIR OPINION that it was an unfair trade, should take responsibility for meow not having ruck cover after he traded out basically all of it? Or am I just not understanding you at all. Because you haven't been very clear thus far.
meow has traded Lowden, Downie, Daw, HMac, Hannath. I think it's fair to say that the other coaches take 0% responsibility if he ends up with no ruck cover and cops a donut in a final and subsequently loses because of it, but that's just me.
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
I said 'who' not 'are you' didnt I?
"because you negged his attempt at ruck cover", clearly directed at Nige/ML
Well no, who initially refers to everyone who negged and then the 'you' is directed at those who negged. I know how i intended my sentence.
And its not meows fault as he has done what he can to bring in good cover
So are you saying that every coach who thought IN THEIR OPINION that it was an unfair trade, should take responsibility for meow not having ruck cover after he traded out basically all of it? Or am I just not understanding you at all. Because you haven't been very clear thus far.
meow has traded Lowden, Downie, Daw, HMac, Hannath. I think it's fair to say that the other coaches take 0% responsibility if he ends up with no ruck cover and cops a donut in a final and subsequently loses because of it, but that's just me.
I sure Seoul approved all those ruck trades too rather than looking out for Christchurch's ruck department.
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Rockliff
Quote from: Purple 77 on November 14, 2014, 06:40:05 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
wont matter was a threat until he traded away his best player for a average premo mid.
... an average premo mid...
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/179/e/0/chef_bot___does_not_compute__by_giframa-d555wi8.gif)
didn't know what to call him, he is a premo but isn't anything special.
kind of how I rate Boak, he is a solid 105 which is good but by premium mid standards its very average.
barely premo
average premo
premo
super premo
captain lock premo
Ablett mode premo
Gibbs - Avergae Premo
Rocky - last year was Captain Lock premo verging on ABlett Mode premo. think he will be Super Premo verging on Captina lock premo
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Rockliff
wants his own player to get injured, clearly tanking.
also if trades get rejected this week they fail for good right?
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 06:53:10 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Rockliff
wants his own player to get injured, clearly tanking.
also if trades get rejected this week they fail for good right?
If Rockliff gets injured it just proves my point about Gibbs being more reliable.
It's all well and good if Rocky averages 130 in the games that he plays, but if I am playing Scully (80) for 4 weeks then the average of that position would be 120.9 and it's not like I'll be able to play Scully as captain either. Sandi/Gibbs gives me 2 captain options.
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 06:53:10 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Rockliff
wants his own player to get injured, clearly tanking.
also if trades get rejected this week they fail for good right?
If Rockliff gets injured it just proves my point about Gibbs being more reliable.
It's all well and good if Rocky averages 130 in the games that he plays, but if I am playing Scully (80) for 4 weeks then the average of that position would be 120.9 and it's not like I'll be able to play Scully as captain either. Sandi/Gibbs gives me 2 captain options.
If you need a captain option why trade rocky though.
He goes 120 that's 30 points per game you make up Sandi Gibbs. You could play Scully captain (Im sure you have better players) but even than if he plays more than 50% games you lose.
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 06:53:10 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: MajorLazer on November 14, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Soz didn't realise I was in charge of injuries got next season. I'll try my best not to injure any rucks next season. All good? Anyone you want me to injure? I'll give it a crack
Rockliff
wants his own player to get injured, clearly tanking.
also if trades get rejected this week they fail for good right?
If Rockliff gets injured it just proves my point about Gibbs being more reliable.
It's all well and good if Rocky averages 130 in the games that he plays, but if I am playing Scully (80) for 4 weeks then the average of that position would be 120.9 and it's not like I'll be able to play Scully as captain either. Sandi/Gibbs gives me 2 captain options.
If you need a captain option why trade rocky though.
He goes 120 that's 30 points per game you make up Sandi Gibbs. You could play Scully captain (Im sure you have better players) but even than if he plays more than 50% games you lose.
Sandi will score more than 30ppg more than Gilbert though and he gives me better ruck depth!!! It's like talking to a brick wall.
Quote from: Nige on November 14, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: GoLions on November 14, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 06:28:33 PM
So whos going to take responsibility when meow loses a final because Wilbur is out and he has to play an OOP because you negged his attempt at ruck cover?
Why are you assuming he negged it
I said 'who' not 'are you' didnt I?
"because you negged his attempt at ruck cover", clearly directed at Nige/ML
Well no, who initially refers to everyone who negged and then the 'you' is directed at those who negged. I know how i intended my sentence.
And its not meows fault as he has done what he can to bring in good cover
So are you saying that every coach who thought IN THEIR OPINION that it was an unfair trade, should take responsibility for meow not having ruck cover after he traded out basically all of it? Or am I just not understanding you at all. Because you haven't been very clear thus far.
meow has traded Lowden, Downie, Daw, HMac, Hannath. I think it's fair to say that the other coaches take 0% responsibility if he ends up with no ruck cover and cops a donut in a final and subsequently loses because of it, but that's just me.
I sure Seoul approved all those ruck trades too rather than looking out for Christchurch's ruck department.
Well he obviously had a plan trading out all those guys, of which only one gets consistent games. His plan was to bring in an actual good ruck backup and people just see the name Rockliff and go oh no he is goat you cant trade him for a 105 avg mid and one of the best rucks in the game. Nothing to do with the fact that he now needs to compete with 2 extra 105+ avg mids and 3 extra 90 avg mids.
I guess all we can do is somehow this trade will pass even though it hasn't been ammeded. than midway through next year when people go through the poor trades from this period Ill just post this message.
and i will quote you and say cool story
Could just as easily go the other way.
Quote from: Vinny on November 14, 2014, 07:19:19 PM
Could just as easily go the other way.
more than happy for people to say I was wrong.
it has happened a few times in my life, who knows lightning could strike again ;)
Rockliff scored 132 in the games that he played (18), and 0 in the games that he didn't (obviously). That's an average of 108 per game.
Gibbs played every game (has for 6 out of his 8 seasons, and in one he only missed 1 match) at an average of 106.3
Rocky is a better captain option when he is there but Sandilands over Gilbert more than makes up for that.
I included the part about Gibbs not missing any games in my original reasoning but people just ignore it and see the 132. It's either 108, or 120.9 (depending on my depth which actually has nothing to do with this trade).
Rockliff has played every game of the season once, so if you're going to bring that up you also have to mention that he averaged 97.1 that year.
Now you can see why it's not a bad trade at all.
CHECK flowerING MATE
Just renegotiate the deal, It's really not that hard. ::)
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 07:39:38 PM
Rockliff has played every game of the season once, so if you're going to bring that up you also have to mention that he averaged 97.1 that year.
Now you can see why it's not a bad trade at all.
CHECK flowerING MATE
barely check mate.
he played 18/22 last year.
Rocky + Scully 132 * 18 + 4 * 80 = 122.55
Gibbs 106*22 = 106
lets add in captaincy and drop Rocky to 120
Rocky + Scully + 90 captain 240*18 + 110*4 + 80*4 = 230.9
Gibbs 212*22 = 212
bishop to E6 Check
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 07:53:02 PM
Just renegotiate the deal, It's really not that hard. ::)
The renaming of this thread hahahahaha. ;D
yeah they really did need to get a room
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 07:39:38 PM
Rockliff has played every game of the season once, so if you're going to bring that up you also have to mention that he averaged 97.1 that year.
Now you can see why it's not a bad trade at all.
CHECK flowerING MATE
barely check mate.
he played 18/22 last year.
Rocky + Scully 132 * 18 + 4 * 80 = 122.55
Gibbs 106*22 = 106
lets add in captaincy and drop Rocky to 120
Rocky + Scully + 90 captain 240*18 + 110*4 + 80*4 = 230.9
Gibbs 212*22 = 212
bishop to E6 Check
Thats only half of the trade though....
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 08:11:05 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 07:39:38 PM
Rockliff has played every game of the season once, so if you're going to bring that up you also have to mention that he averaged 97.1 that year.
Now you can see why it's not a bad trade at all.
CHECK flowerING MATE
barely check mate.
he played 18/22 last year.
Rocky + Scully 132 * 18 + 4 * 80 = 122.55
Gibbs 106*22 = 106
lets add in captaincy and drop Rocky to 120
Rocky + Scully + 90 captain 240*18 + 110*4 + 80*4 = 230.9
Gibbs 212*22 = 212
bishop to E6 Check
Thats only half of the trade though....
I already stated why Gilbert is equal or better than Sandi.
Meow should do a review of my trade and see whether it should pass or fail.
Gilbert is not equal or better than Sandi
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 14, 2014, 08:11:05 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 14, 2014, 07:39:38 PM
Rockliff has played every game of the season once, so if you're going to bring that up you also have to mention that he averaged 97.1 that year.
Now you can see why it's not a bad trade at all.
CHECK flowerING MATE
barely check mate.
he played 18/22 last year.
Rocky + Scully 132 * 18 + 4 * 80 = 122.55
Gibbs 106*22 = 106
lets add in captaincy and drop Rocky to 120
Rocky + Scully + 90 captain 240*18 + 110*4 + 80*4 = 230.9
Gibbs 212*22 = 212
bishop to E6 Check
Thats only half of the trade though....
I already stated why Gilbert is equal or better than Sandi.
Hands up if you think Gilbert is better than/equal to Sandilands? Oh look Holz, you're the only one with your hand raised.
Rocky (240) + 90 VC + Gilbert 70 = 400 for 18 weeks
90 VC (180) + Scully 80 + Gilbert 70 = 330 for 4 weeks
8520/22 weeks = 388 ppg
Sandi (216) + Gibbs (106) + 90 not VC anymore (90) = 412
412 vs 388 is a win.
24 ppg improvement.
Let's put that into perspective. You gave up pick #12 for a 9 point improvement in your best XV when you traded Boak for Sloane.
Not really worthy of being called one of the top 3 worst trades ever.
Sandi has 1-2 years left. Gilbert has, what, 3-4 maybe? More? Lower scoring but both could have injury issues.
It depends how you look at it imo, one will be better/most useful to one team as the other will to another team.
I'd like this to be referred to as the Gilbert trade from now on.
Nope thread nothing like the movie. :(
Quote from: Grazz on November 14, 2014, 10:20:35 PM
Nope thread nothing like the movie. :(
the threads way better
What if Holz and meow are actually Bill and Ted?
Is Holz actually arguing for fun or is he just trying to make himself feel like he is as good of a coach as Meow?
Plot twist: Holz and Meow are the same person.
Quote from: elephants on November 14, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
Plot twist: Holz and Meow are the same person.
themoreyouknow.jpg
Quote from: Master Q on November 14, 2014, 10:26:46 PM
Is Holz actually arguing for fun or is he just trying to make himself feel like he is as good of a coach as Meow?
Let's see next year what happens.
Jroo is looking like my main competition at this stage. Had a very very good off season.
Meow is a great drafter.
Gilbert v Sandi is debatable but I can ensure the difference in value of Rocky Gibbs is bigger.
Gibbs Sandi for Rocky I would reject aswell
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 11:02:22 PM
Gibbs Sandi for Rocky I would reject aswell
:o
btw kinda funny when i was at Tokyo we were considering a deal which involved pick 9 for Sandi which i think is about right for Sandi so it's pretty funny you don't think Gibbs + Sandi is worth Rocky
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 14, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 11:02:22 PM
Gibbs Sandi for Rocky I would reject aswell
:o
btw kinda funny when i was at Tokyo we were considering a deal which involved pick 9 for Sandi which i think is about right for Sandi so it's pretty funny you don't think Gibbs + Sandi is worth Rocky
How long ago was that though? Unless I had zero ruck stocks, no chance I'd give up pick 9 for Sandi
Sandilands is worth Pick 18-25 IMO.
Quote from: Boomz on November 14, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 07:53:02 PM
Just renegotiate the deal, It's really not that hard. ::)
3 coaches say I win, 2 coaches + Os say I lose. It is actually very difficult to renegotiate the deal based on that.
Quote from: meow meow on November 15, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: Boomz on November 14, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 07:53:02 PM
Just renegotiate the deal, It's really not that hard. ::)
3 coaches say I win, 2 coaches + Os say I lose. It is actually very difficult to renegotiate the deal based on that.
Based on opinions expressed so far it looks like these 3 are in the minority. Rocky is THE most valuable player in the comp. Puts up Ablett-like scores while being 6 years younger. We're severely undervaluing him. Old, injury prone Sandi is worth a late first/early 2nd round pick, Gibbs is premium but not Rocky-level premium, so putting those two together is pretty much equal to GOAT. I'll need to add a little something just so it's 2 for 2.
Quote from: meow meow on November 15, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: meow meow on November 15, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: Boomz on November 14, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 07:53:02 PM
Just renegotiate the deal, It's really not that hard. ::)
3 coaches say I win, 2 coaches + Os say I lose. It is actually very difficult to renegotiate the deal based on that.
Based on opinions expressed so far it looks like these 3 are in the minority. Rocky is THE most valuable player in the comp. Puts up Ablett-like scores while being 6 years younger. We're severely undervaluing him. Old, injury prone Sandi is worth a late first/early 2nd round pick, Gibbs is premium but not Rocky-level premium, so putting those two together is pretty much equal to GOAT. I'll need to add a little something just so it's 2 for 2.
We didn't neg the trade but this seems the most logical way to get the trade passed.
edit: just saw the revised deal.. should pass
Quote from: meow meow on November 15, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: Boomz on November 14, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Quote from: upthemaidens on November 14, 2014, 07:53:02 PM
Just renegotiate the deal, It's really not that hard. ::)
3 coaches say I win, 2 coaches + Os say I lose. It is actually very difficult to renegotiate the deal based on that.
3 Coaches were probably drunk when voting. Get mexico to add some token pick#20-30 and problem solved.
Personally think the trade helps Mexico more than it helps Christchurch. Sure for one season it might favour Christchurch, but over the next three it does not.
edit...posted before seeing the revised trade deal.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 15, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
Replacing Sicily for Gilbert, as worth less and Christchurch need defenders, in order for this trade to pass.
This might open a whole new can of worms but I actually rate Sicily more than I do Gilbert.
Previously we passed the deal. Now? Hmm....
I also think with trade voting the neg votes should cancel out if they are on different sides.
Like if 5 people think Team A wins the trade and 5 people think Team B wins the trade and the rest pass it then instead of there being 10 votes against it should be 0 votes against...
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 15, 2014, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 15, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
Replacing Sicily for Gilbert, as worth less and Christchurch need defenders, in order for this trade to pass.
This might open a whole new can of worms but I actually rate Sicily more than I do Gilbert.
Previously we passed the deal. Now? Hmm....
I don't think you can block it purely on opinion. Gilbert should play for 2-3 years at 70+ and that can almost be put down as a fact. Sicily hasn't played one AFL game yet so to say he is worth more than Gilbert is 100% opinion. While he has plenty of talent, Sicily is no certainty to make it at AFL level.
Christchurch need defenders? Isn't Sicily a forward?
Quote from: Nige on November 15, 2014, 01:24:22 PM
Christchurch need defenders? Isn't Sicily a forward?
Trading Sicily (forward) allows me to keep Gilbert (defender). Gilbert is worth heaps more to me since he would be in my starting XV.
Quote from: meow meow on November 15, 2014, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 15, 2014, 01:24:22 PM
Christchurch need defenders? Isn't Sicily a forward?
Trading Sicily (forward) allows me to keep Gilbert (defender). Gilbert is worth heaps more to me since he would be in my starting XV.
Ohhh, I get it.
Come on Nige keep up to date man ;)
I agree with meow here, Gilbert is certainly worth more than Sicily.
Breaking into the hawks side will be tough, his VFL stats are also very unimpressive.
I can say this without a doubt. Sandi is much better than Sicily. Wether that difference is enough to make up the huge drop from rocky to Gibbs . Well that's for each team to decide.
Quote from: Holz on November 15, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
I can say this without a doubt. Sandi is much better than Sicily.
I salute you Captain Obvious.
Quote from: Nige on November 15, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 15, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
I can say this without a doubt. Sandi is much better than Sicily.
I salute you Captain Obvious.
Memph just posted that Sicily was better than Gilbert. Just throwing my support behind meow. This trade is certainly more even ithan the previous one.
I still rate Rocky over Sandi Gibbs but at least this is better.
I disagree. Sicily would be a much better place to live
Quote from: GoLions on November 15, 2014, 10:04:37 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 14, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 14, 2014, 11:02:22 PM
Gibbs Sandi for Rocky I would reject aswell
:o
btw kinda funny when i was at Tokyo we were considering a deal which involved pick 9 for Sandi which i think is about right for Sandi so it's pretty funny you don't think Gibbs + Sandi is worth Rocky
How long ago was that though? Unless I had zero ruck stocks, no chance I'd give up pick 9 for Sandi
was towards the end of this season we were in talks i believe so we were desperate to get a better ruck then Simpson but there probably would have been something to even it up a bit
Quote from: Master Q on November 15, 2014, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 15, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 15, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
I can say this without a doubt. Sandi is much better than Sicily.
We salute you Captain Obvious.
I can say this though, without a doubt Rocky is much much much better than Gibbs so trade unfair.
Quote from: brad on November 15, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
I disagree. Sicily would be a much better place to live
;D
Quote from: Holz on November 15, 2014, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: Master Q on November 15, 2014, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Nige on November 15, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Holz on November 15, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
I can say this without a doubt. Sandi is much better than Sicily.
We salute you Captain Obvious.
I can say this though, without a doubt Rocky is much much much better than Gibbs so trade unfair.
I can say this though. Rocky is 10 ppg better than Gibbs but Sandi is 100 ppg better then sicily.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 16, 2014, 01:43:26 PM
Acres > Lennon :P
Haha I'd say they are pretty even but we need a forward more haha. Plus Lennon will get DPP and has better VFL numbers.
Been away for a bit, and everybody seems to have changed names again...
Still 8 coaches to vote!
Q/Toga, elephants/Rico, Hellopplz, Holz, My Chumps/Memph, Nails/Vinny, JBs-Hawks, Ringo
Quote from: ossie85 on November 23, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Been away for a bit, and everybody seems to have changed names again...
Sorry :P
Quote from: ossie85 on November 23, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Been away for a bit, and everybody seems to have changed names again...
Still 8 coaches to vote!
Q/Toga, elephants/Rico, Hellopplz, Holz, My Chumps/Memph, Nails/Vinny, JBs-Hawks, Ringo
Yep, sent in last night mate.
Trade 150
Cairo give: Mackie + N53
Rio give: Thompson + N10
Votes against: 5
Coach comments: Believe adding pick 53 doesn't make up the difference
Admin comments: Feel this trade still has a clear winner, but will let it through
Final result: PASS
Trade 151
Mexico City give: Bryce Gibbs, Aaron Sandilands
Christchurch give: Tom Rockliff, James Sicily
Votes against: 4
Coach comments: 2 for Mexico, 2 for Christchurch
Admin comments: Ok, why does nobody want Rockliff? I mean seriously, the guy has 3 best and fairests at 3 difference clubs? Must be a bad personality.
Final result: PASSED
Trade 152
Mexico City give: Ben Lennon, Lindsay Thomas, John Butcher, Dylan Addison, Daniel Pearce
Buenos Aires give: Blake Acres, Drew Petrie, Darcy Byrne-Jones, Paul Stewart + Picks 70, 81
Votes against: 3
Coach comments: Mexico City winning by too much
Admin comments: *makes my head hurt*, but pass
Final result: PASSED
Great trading Jroo
Don't mind being the outsider to take the flag, you would need to be the favorite at this stage now. Need my boys to lift to take it up another notch to take you out.
Did our trade just get another vote against when we added a pick to supposedly even it out...?
Um, okay then.
Anyway, happy it passed, but wow, I totally do not understand at all.
Quote from: Nige on November 24, 2014, 07:34:54 PM
Did our trade just get another vote against when we added a pick to supposedly even it out...?
Um, okay then.
Anyway, happy it passed, but wow, I totally do not understand at all.
Mackie not worth pick 10.
Not when we gave up McKenzie for pick 10.
Pick 53 didn't make up the difference but it passed.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 24, 2014, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on November 24, 2014, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 24, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
Quote from: Biff Tannen on November 23, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on November 23, 2014, 11:01:28 AM
Been away for a bit, and everybody seems to have changed names again...
Sorry :P
Who is this?
I think it's Torpy.
Its not me....I wouldn't mind a rename though. ;)
You have two accounts?!?! :-X
Was kind of hoping the Gilbert trade didn't pass so Holz and I could go at it again.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 25, 2014, 04:46:21 PM
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Quote from: Winnie the Pooh on November 24, 2014, 07:18:07 PM
Great trading Jroo
Don't mind being the outsider to take the flag, you would need to be the favorite at this stage now. Need my boys to lift to take it up another notch to take you out.
Cheers Holz, still don't think you're the outsider as yet.
Quote from: JROO8 on November 25, 2014, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Winnie the Pooh on November 24, 2014, 07:18:07 PM
Great trading Jroo
Don't mind being the outsider to take the flag, you would need to be the favorite at this stage now. Need my boys to lift to take it up another notch to take you out.
Cheers Holz, still don't think you're the outsider as yet.
I would say strong 2nd favorite, really rate Rocky. A 120+ captain is huge
Quote from: Winnie the Pooh on November 25, 2014, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 25, 2014, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Winnie the Pooh on November 24, 2014, 07:18:07 PM
Great trading Jroo
Don't mind being the outsider to take the flag, you would need to be the favorite at this stage now. Need my boys to lift to take it up another notch to take you out.
Cheers Holz, still don't think you're the outsider as yet.
I would say strong 2nd favorite, really rate Rocky. A 120+ captain is huge
JROO would never have had Rocky if you hadn't trade him out #justsaying
Quote from: Memphistopheles on November 25, 2014, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Winnie the Pooh on November 25, 2014, 11:54:40 AM
Quote from: JROO8 on November 25, 2014, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Winnie the Pooh on November 24, 2014, 07:18:07 PM
Great trading Jroo
Don't mind being the outsider to take the flag, you would need to be the favorite at this stage now. Need my boys to lift to take it up another notch to take you out.
Cheers Holz, still don't think you're the outsider as yet.
I would say strong 2nd favorite, really rate Rocky. A 120+ captain is huge
JROO would never have had Rocky if you hadn't trade him out #justsaying
I got good compo.
Given how much he was bought for, didn't think he would be sold so cheap.
All you people who were disappointed that I took Wigg in the draft will get a crack at him in the next period. Hrovat is forward only so I need another midfielder, and I have too many defenders.
I wouldn't mind another midfielder, with a few of mine getting DPP.
Guys like BJ, Bartel or Harvey could be moved on for the right price. While Nroo and Petrie are also on the table.
Quote from: meow meow on December 21, 2014, 06:04:35 PM
All you people who were disappointed that I took Wigg in the draft will get a crack at him in the next period. Hrovat is forward only so I need another midfielder, and I have too many defenders.
We'll take Hrovat off your hands :P
If you're lacking fwds NDT now have plenty after having zero last year.
ZClarke, Darling, Griffiths, McCartin, KStevens, JWhite, RBail, TCurren, JGrant, Apeness, LMcCarthy, BJohnson, Sumner, TO'Brien, Tunbridge, ELangdon
Obviously a lot of different quality there, but ideally looking to upgrade one of our mids.
Coniglio, Gaff, Conca, Masten, Trengove, Heeney, SRoss, NRobertson, Kerridge, Michie, RKnight, WHams, BWalsh, JHarmes
So something like a NDT forward + a NDT mid FOR a slightly better mid + a spud.
Also have quite a few rucks now if anyone needs them
ZClarke, Nicholls, Warnock, Gorringe, Nankervis, Hannath, Brooksby
Quote from: Ricochet on December 22, 2014, 02:50:51 PM
If you're lacking fwds NDT now have plenty after having zero last year.
ZClarke, Darling, Griffiths, McCartin, KStevens, JWhite, RBail, TCurren, JGrant, Apeness, LMcCarthy, BJohnson, Sumner, TO'Brien, Tunbridge, ELangdon
can add Kerridge, Hannath and Riley Knight lol
Looking for starting defenders guys, got quality youth to give.
Also young rucks.
Given the DPP changes we received we could potentially look at trading one of Cale Hooker and Trav Varcoe if anyone is interested...
Wanted: Another premium midfielder.
We have plenty of young talent and forwards to offer up in return.
Let me know if you have a premium midfielder to trade.
Still looking for a semi-decent Midfielder (85+avg type), age is not a big factor. We have mainly Forwards to offer in return.
Anyone need a defender?
Shannon Hurn, SDT or Michael Johnson could be on the move soon...
Should maybe post this here...
Quote from: Nige on January 06, 2015, 12:31:53 PM
We could probably use another mid or two after a number of our fwds either lost or didn't get mid status as expected. I'm fairly sure that's a legit reason?
Happy to trade a fwd or a def (or both) to get a mid or two in. Should note we're more or less looking for decent/fringe mids with a decent chance of starting (for their clubs and subsequently in WXVs). If you can help, just shoot a PM my way. Cheers.
Short term fix wanted?
I've got Cross, Fletcher and Podsiadly available. That's 240 points per week right there ;)
Quote from: Purple 77 on January 07, 2015, 05:20:11 PM
Short term fix wanted?
I've got Cross, Fletcher and Podsiadly available. That's 240 points per week right there ;)
Preferably not.
Plus two of those guys aren't mids. :P
Putting Hamish Hartlett (24 years old, 101 unsubbed average) in a deal involving a backman and preferably a lesser mid (90ish) to replace him.
Willing to part with depth forwards for depth young mids!
Re-posting this.
If you're lacking fwds NDT now have plenty after having zero last year.
ZClarke, Darling, Griffiths, McCartin, KStevens, Kerridge, JWhite, RBail, TCurren, JGrant, Apeness, RKnight, Hannath, LMcCarthy, BJohnson, Sumner, TO'Brien, Tunbridge, ELangdon
Obviously a lot of different quality there, but ideally looking to upgrade one of our mids.
Coniglio, Gaff, Conca, Masten, Trengove, Heeney, SRoss, NRobertson, Kerridge, Michie, RKnight, WHams, BWalsh, JHarmes
So something like a NDT forward + a NDT mid FOR a slightly better mid + a spud.
If not then we're also looking for defenders.
Also have quite a few rucks now if anyone needs them
ZClarke, Nicholls, Warnock, Gorringe, Nankervis, Hannath, Brooksby