We always count our 'keepers'.
What is a keeper?
I reckon $444000 is close.
Sandi has just made it to keeper status.
Pav - wasn't but now is.
Obviously depends upon position but forwards, backs and maybe rucks can pass with a lower value.
Mids - maybe over $550000 - 18 over that before this round.
So using 440 and 550 how many keepers do you have now?
The answer will not betray all info as a team with 8 mid keepers and 6 others will be stronger than a team with 1 mid keeper and 13 others.
My team - 14 keepers (28 trades left).
14 for me 15 after this week. 20 trades after this week (injuries have had a field day with me) but im not planning on trading in the byes so all good. But to answer your question 14 :p
a keeper is anyone that is averaging over 100 points per week, nothing to do with price imo
Quote from: tabs on April 20, 2014, 11:58:05 PM
a keeper is anyone that is averaging over 100 points per week, nothing to do with price imo
That would probably make it impossible to fill your team with keepers.
Score determines price so how can that be right?
Quote from: tor01doc on April 20, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
We always count our 'keepers'.
What is a keeper?
I reckon $444000 is close.
Sandi has just made it to keeper status.
Pav - wasn't but now is.
Obviously depends upon position but forwards, backs and maybe rucks can pass with a lower value.
Mids - maybe over $550000 - 18 over that before this round.
So using 440 and 550 how many keepers do you have now?
The answer will not betray all info as a team with 8 mid keepers and 6 others will be stronger than a team with 1 mid keeper and 13 others.
My team - 14 keepers (28 trades left).
How the flower do u still have 28 trades left?
13 including Jaensch. 25 trades.
Reasonably happy with my team, haha.
to me
someone your happy to take into the finals
simply put
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 21, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 20, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
We always count our 'keepers'.
What is a keeper?
I reckon $444000 is close.
Sandi has just made it to keeper status.
Pav - wasn't but now is.
Obviously depends upon position but forwards, backs and maybe rucks can pass with a lower value.
Mids - maybe over $550000 - 18 over that before this round.
So using 440 and 550 how many keepers do you have now?
The answer will not betray all info as a team with 8 mid keepers and 6 others will be stronger than a team with 1 mid keeper and 13 others.
My team - 14 keepers (28 trades left).
How the flower do u still have 28 trades left?
Tight as a Nun's...
Hanley, Fuller, Hickey, Libber, Ellis, Crouch from the start, Murphy, a lot of the popular rookies who are still making money BUT
No Swallow, Fasolo, Jaensch, MacRae, Tyson.
Main aim is a money league - need a full head of steam and SIX trades going into finals after goal number one (make the finals) is achieved.
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:02:21 AM
Score determines price so how can that be right?
Only a players 3RM affects their price. You can have a player that goes through a hot vein of form and has a great 3RM, thus inflating their price. A player can then become over-vlaued or over-priced when compared to their season average which may be significantly less than their 3RM.
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 21, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 20, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
We always count our 'keepers'.
What is a keeper?
I reckon $444000 is close.
Sandi has just made it to keeper status.
Pav - wasn't but now is.
Obviously depends upon position but forwards, backs and maybe rucks can pass with a lower value.
Mids - maybe over $550000 - 18 over that before this round.
So using 440 and 550 how many keepers do you have now?
The answer will not betray all info as a team with 8 mid keepers and 6 others will be stronger than a team with 1 mid keeper and 13 others.
My team - 14 keepers (28 trades left).
How the flower do u still have 28 trades left?
Tight as a Nun's...
Hanley, Fuller, Hickey, Libber, Ellis, Crouch from the start, Murphy, a lot of the popular rookies who are still making money BUT
No Swallow, Fasolo, Jaensch, MacRae, Tyson.
Main aim is a money league - need a full head of steam and SIX trades going into finals after goal number one (make the finals) is achieved.
What is your current overall rank?
Quote from: MLS on April 21, 2014, 12:11:41 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:02:21 AM
Score determines price so how can that be right?
Only a players 3RM affects their price. You can have a player that goes through a hot vein of form and has a great 3RM, thus inflating their price. A player can then become over-vlaued or over-priced when compared to their season average which may be significantly less than their 3RM.
D Swallow 3 round ave 112 = $498900
J Watson 3 round ave 105 = $585300
Please explain.
If I include Beamer and Cotchin (who are just below 550k) I would have 15 keepers. 23 Trades left
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 21, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 21, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 20, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
We always count our 'keepers'.
What is a keeper?
I reckon $444000 is close.
Sandi has just made it to keeper status.
Pav - wasn't but now is.
Obviously depends upon position but forwards, backs and maybe rucks can pass with a lower value.
Mids - maybe over $550000 - 18 over that before this round.
So using 440 and 550 how many keepers do you have now?
The answer will not betray all info as a team with 8 mid keepers and 6 others will be stronger than a team with 1 mid keeper and 13 others.
My team - 14 keepers (28 trades left).
How the flower do u still have 28 trades left?
Tight as a Nun's...
Hanley, Fuller, Hickey, Libber, Ellis, Crouch from the start, Murphy, a lot of the popular rookies who are still making money BUT
No Swallow, Fasolo, Jaensch, MacRae, Tyson.
Main aim is a money league - need a full head of steam and SIX trades going into finals after goal number one (make the finals) is achieved.
What is your current overall rank?
An uninspiring yet satisfactory 4722.
More importantly 2 - 0 in my main league and if Mitchell plays 3 - 0 very likely and 28 trades but if he is a late out then I will have to get either Suckling, Enright, Burgoyne or Bartel for Mitchell to win. Suckling my pick because of low BE, potential keeper for my opponent has him.
Quote from: GoLions16 on April 21, 2014, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: tabs on April 20, 2014, 11:58:05 PM
a keeper is anyone that is averaging over 100 points per week, nothing to do with price imo
That would probably make it impossible to fill your team with keepers.
Yeah, and thats why every team is unique
I am happy to call Beams a keeper because he is now over $550K I think.
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:02:21 AM
Score determines price so how can that be right?
Dom Tyson before this week was averaging 100 and only $300k so he is a keeper at the moment
If he is a mid and over $550K then a keeper.
So no.
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:28:53 AM
If he is a mid and over $550K then a keeper.
So no.
agree to some respect but you have 6 trades left with 3 weeks to go you are going to trade out anyone to get the better score
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: MLS on April 21, 2014, 12:11:41 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:02:21 AM
Score determines price so how can that be right?
Only a players 3RM affects their price. You can have a player that goes through a hot vein of form and has a great 3RM, thus inflating their price. A player can then become over-vlaued or over-priced when compared to their season average which may be significantly less than their 3RM.
D Swallow 3 round ave 112 = $498900
J Watson 3 round ave 105 = $585300
Please explain.
25% percent of the price calculation is weighted on each price change based on their 3RM.
Players prices fluctuate. I base a players value on how many points they score for my team. The only price that is relevant is the price I pay for them.
When Ross Lyon and Al Clarkson start meeting with 'The General' I will be ready.
Great in theory but I am yet to achieve it - 6 trades going into finals that is.
A more restrained start this year might help.
Quote from: MLS on April 21, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: MLS on April 21, 2014, 12:11:41 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:02:21 AM
Score determines price so how can that be right?
Only a players 3RM affects their price. You can have a player that goes through a hot vein of form and has a great 3RM, thus inflating their price. A player can then become over-vlaued or over-priced when compared to their season average which may be significantly less than their 3RM.
D Swallow 3 round ave 112 = $498900
J Watson 3 round ave 105 = $585300
Please explain.
25% percent of the price calculation is weighted on each price change based on their 3RM.
Players prices fluctuate. I base a players value on how many points they score for my team. The only price that is relevant is the price I pay for them.
I like this discussion and your point.
Quote from: tabs on April 21, 2014, 12:27:27 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:02:21 AM
Score determines price so how can that be right?
Dom Tyson before this week was averaging 100 and only $300k so he is a keeper at the moment
Despite averaging 100, he is 300k because he has not scored 100 often enough and not proven himself.
For someone to reach 500k, that would take good scores for a long period of time.
Which just further justifies their 'keeper' status.
So I agree with Doc here. Price is important in deciding whether a player is a keeper but I think R4 is too early to put a number on the amount of keepers you have.
Welcome vinny
Is Judd a keeper?
Good win by your lot. Like Murphy - not so happy with Libber.
Agree too early to count your chicken(keeper)s but thought it interesting to ponder what a keeper is.
Haha thanks.
He was for most his career but no not this year.
Will not be a top 15 midfielder.
Yeah I am happy with it except for Juddy. :(
Stick with Libba mate. Unless you are in overall race!
Yeah for sure.
So what you count Titch or Parker as keepers??
Quote from: tabs on April 21, 2014, 12:51:53 AM
So what you count Titch or Parker as keepers??
Yes Parker. Question marks over Titch. I was not backing him in at the start of the year being a second year player and all.
But yes quite possibly.
Parker as a forward yes.
T Mitchell - my jury is out - like him. What's he worth and what is his BE?
$424000
With a high BE - NOT a keeper.
Agree?
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:25:08 AM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 21, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 21, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Quote from: tor01doc on April 20, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
We always count our 'keepers'.
What is a keeper?
I reckon $444000 is close.
Sandi has just made it to keeper status.
Pav - wasn't but now is.
Obviously depends upon position but forwards, backs and maybe rucks can pass with a lower value.
Mids - maybe over $550000 - 18 over that before this round.
So using 440 and 550 how many keepers do you have now?
The answer will not betray all info as a team with 8 mid keepers and 6 others will be stronger than a team with 1 mid keeper and 13 others.
My team - 14 keepers (28 trades left).
How the flower do u still have 28 trades left?
Tight as a Nun's...
Hanley, Fuller, Hickey, Libber, Ellis, Crouch from the start, Murphy, a lot of the popular rookies who are still making money BUT
No Swallow, Fasolo, Jaensch, MacRae, Tyson.
Main aim is a money league - need a full head of steam and SIX trades going into finals after goal number one (make the finals) is achieved.
What is your current overall rank?
An uninspiring yet satisfactory 4722.
More importantly 2 - 0 in my main league and if Mitchell plays 3 - 0 very likely and 28 trades but if he is a late out then I will have to get either Suckling, Enright, Burgoyne or Bartel for Mitchell to win. Suckling my pick because of low BE, potential keeper for my opponent has him.
your midfield premos are impressive Ablett, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Libba, beams, murphy
For me, it is just whether they would average enough to be top tier in their position.
So..
Keeper:
Top 12 back.
Top 15 midfielder.
Top 5 ruck.
Top 12 forward.
I am not sure Tom Mitchell can beat:
Parker
NRoo
Boomer
Danger
Dusty
Roughy
Gunston
Gray
Pavlich
Zorko
But that is because I do not think in his second year he can consistently score well.
In saying that, rumour is he is playing injured and he can pump out nice numbers. Wait and see what he scores when fit.
Also depends if your aim is overall or league.
Now targetting Selwood, Swan and one other as I really didn't expect Murphy to be a keeper.
Murphy or Libber might have to go for Griffen / Watson / Cotchin / etc IF other lines come together.
Long way to go.
Agree with vinny about keepers being top in their respective positions.
Value vinny? 440 / 550 / 500 / 440?
Quote from: tor01doc on April 21, 2014, 12:55:08 AM
Parker as a forward yes.
T Mitchell - my jury is out - like him. What's he worth and what is his BE?
$424000
With a high BE - NOT a keeper.
Agree?
The reason i ask is that both will play similar roles this year for the Swans. One will do a role one week, one will do a job the following week. Both will spend time in the fwds and mids this year and should score similar scores each week
That looks pretty spot on Doc, in my opinion probably add 30k to defenders and forwards but thats just me!
What about scooter?? Would you call him a keeper??
Without reading through the entire thread, a keeper to me is someone who I plan on keeping in my best 22 all year
I plan on my best 22 averaging very well for their position. Price is irrelevant.
15 keepers 29 trades left including jeansch and swallow
Quote from: Daniel123 on April 21, 2014, 09:46:04 AM
15 keepers 29 trades left including jeansch and swallow
That seems a good foundation for the season. Good job.
13 + Higgjns, Fasolo and Suckling.
If suckling keeps going the way he is, will become a keeper IMO
As for what is a keeper:
Defenders and Forwards: 95+ average
Midfield: 110+
Rucks: 105+
A keeper is someone that has to stay in your team when you run out of trades to get rid of them!
I would say that in defense, ruck and forward, that average is 95. Though 90 could possibly also cut it, maybe for a bench back up spot.
In midfield it's more like 105, possibly 100.
12 + Titchell, Fasolo, Suckling, Higgins and 27 trades.
A few more downgrades this week, so hopefully by end of following week I'll have 14 keepers + Titchell, Fasolo, Suckling, Higgins and 23 trades.
Slow and steady this year...
Everyone seems to have different opinions as to who are keepers but I agree with those that say who will be in the Top 10/15
ATM
Def 3 plus probably Suckling
Mids 4
Rucks 2
Forwards 4 plus maybe Fasolo but jury still out on this one. Maybe sound F6 in the long term,
So 13/14 + 25 trades
atm i am looking similar
Def 3 plus suckling
Mids 3 plus Scooter
Rucks 2
Fwds 5 + Titch
Quote from: Footyrulz on April 21, 2014, 10:23:28 AM
A keeper is someone that has to stay in your team when you run out of trades to get rid of them!
I would say that in defense, ruck and forward, that average is 95. Though 90 could possibly also cut it, maybe for a bench back up spot.
In midfield it's more like 105, possibly 100.
This should be the definition of a keeper.
Defender/Forward/Ruck averaging 95+
Midfielder averaging 105+
Also that player will finish top 10 defender and forward, top 5 ruckman, top 12-15 averaging midfielder. Price is close to irrelevant.
I have 12 keepers with Lobbe (hoping he can become a keeper :-\). Only made the two corrective trades with two downgrades for cash generation and two upgrades over next two weeks to have 14 premiums. Should have 18 keepers by end of byes with Fasolo, Suckling, Lobbe and a rookie occupying the other positions on the field.