This might be a rage post but that's what a forum is for. Kernahan retired as one of the blues greatest players but at the moment he will be remembered for me as the bloke who fired another of our greatest players in Brett ratten and hired another Denis pagan in mick malthouse, who has somehow taken our club from a team on the way up to a team that will be lucky to beat Melbourne next week. Who has gotten daisy Thomas to our club on massive money for what return. Shaun hampson out Cameron wood in. Cameron wood, I feel like Jason dunstall on the bounce talking about dribble goals. Richard Pratt would be turning over in his grave, after taking our club from its lowest point in history and getting us back on the right track, to see what's a shambles on field we have turned intro now. That's my rant. Have been a made supported all my life and a member for the last 10 years and I have no faith in my football club.
Yeah Brett Ratten had Carlton on track to be in a Grand Final by this year or so, one slip up (albeit a pretty big loss of form) and the football club has been sent careening down to a side that might barely scrape 8th or 9th.
It wasn't one of the "writings on the wall" situations either, I think it was brought about by some pretty poor board decisions
Can I just say that personally I don't think that stix's wanted to get rid of ratten and his hand was forced by the board, but the perception from the outside and history will say that Stix's got rid ratten
The drafting hasn't helped much. They could have had Jackson Merrett, Isaac Smith, Luke Parker and Luke Dunstan if they chose.
I think the last time I got excited over a firtst year player was kreuzer 07 or maybe yarran 08. I do like Menzel but he only played a few games last year. Our drafting is poor at best.
Meh it's Carlscum at it's finest and I'm loving it. Please continue.
Quote from: Boomz on April 07, 2014, 01:04:11 AM
Meh it's Carlscum at it's finest and I'm loving it. Please continue.
Quote from: blue on April 06, 2014, 11:06:08 PM
hired another Denis pagan in mick malthouse,
I made this exact comment when they made the move. Don't worry, you are not alone, I was pretty pissed when they sacked Ratts. People can say what they want about his inadequacies as a coach, but I felt he really grew towards the end of his tenure. They should have given him one more chance with a fit list last year at making a finals push, if it didn't work out they then had the chance at someone like Paul Roos. Instead they had external pressure from Malthouse in his comments "If I don't coach next season I won't coach again" and the board to sack him so they could make the move.
I had been a member every year since 2002. Not only a member, but a social club member when we had no chance of finals and the club really needed the money. I stood with them every game when we were at our lowest. When we were getting smashed by record margins by almost every team in the comp, I was there, week in week out, never left a game early. Last year I didn't buy a membership out of protest. Mick coming in has been a domino effect. You have a game plan which is outdated and was exploited by the Cats in his last game as coach. By being 'predictable' to use his words, you are also predictable to the opposition. The only time the team has looked competent is when they have had to go to plan B and played with more freedom offensively. Then you have had players unhappy with him, players been played out of position, players clearly in the best not getting games because he had some issue with them, losing quality depth to opposition clubs for practically nothing. Are you telling me Hammer and Laidler are worse players then Warnock/Wood/White/Bootsma? You then have them make his pet one of the highest paid players at the club. What does that say to the guys inside the club who believe they are better players then Dale Thomas? This move could result in Carlton losing Gibbs because he looks at Thomas and sees him getting paid 700k and thinks he is worth around that figure.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 11:13:57 PM
Yeah Brett Ratten had Carlton on track to be in a Grand Final by this year or so, one slip up (albeit a pretty big loss of form) and the football club has been sent careening down to a side that might barely scrape 8th or 9th.
It wasn't one of the "writings on the wall" situations either, I think it was brought about by some pretty poor board decisions
If this is referring to Ratten's last season as coach, injuries played a huge part in that loss in form. That is why the 'expectations' were to make finals last year. The injuries got so bad at one point they had to play Levi Casboult in the ruck, in his first AFL game 2 weeks after he came back from a long-term knee injury. He was the clubs only ruck option at the time since all the others were injured. He actually grew as a coach in that tough run with injury and I think the best example of that was the Collingwood game where undermanned and underdone, they smashed the Pies.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on April 06, 2014, 11:34:22 PM
The drafting hasn't helped much. They could have had Jackson Merrett, Isaac Smith, Luke Parker and Luke Dunstan if they chose.
The main one that stands out is Daniel Talia over Kane Lucas, but they have hit on a few late round picks in recent seasons along with rookie listed players.
Mat does Bell being sub make any sense to you?
None. That is one of the players Malthouse had issues with. Bell wanted a spot on the senior list last year, Malthouse said no, he threatened to walk before agreeing to a spot on the rookie list. Malthouse then played him in the reserves most of the early part of the year where he killed it week in week out. He then injured himself and came back and killed it at VFL level again, dominating games and it still took him a few weeks before getting a regular gig. You can say you have team balance issues, but if that is the case you don't play him. He is a huge guy with a massive tank, when you are that big and can run the way he does, you play him at the start of games, not at the end as a sub.
so you reckon he will leave at the end of the year? sounds like it
it doesn't make any sense to me either why i brought it up
As in Bell or Malthouse? Bell signed a 2 year deal I think, so he is contracted for this season and the next, not sure if he will request a trade though. I sure as hell hope not.
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 07, 2014, 02:59:53 AM
As in Bell or Malthouse? Bell signed a 2 year deal I think, so he is contracted for this season and the next, not sure if he will request a trade though. I sure as hell hope not.
yeah meant Bell
Yeah Bell is now on the senior list and they gave him a 2 year deal in the off-season
I think with all the flack that Watts got, Krezuer has been very very lucky. Write down a list of ruck and you'll note that kreuzer is about 11-12th. And he was a number 1 pick. That's pathetic. Cotchin was the pick after him. They grab cotchin, Sam Jacobs doesn't leave, you get a better ruckmen and a competent midfield too. That pick has cost the club nearly more than any other ridiculously bad picks in recent times.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on April 06, 2014, 11:34:22 PM
The drafting hasn't helped much. They could have had Jackson Merrett, Isaac Smith, Luke Parker and Luke Dunstan if they chose.
+ Trent Cotchin, remember that one. Boy am I glad Carlts tanked that game all those years ago now. :D
Surely Bell will look for greater opportunities elsewhere.
I was surprised that Bell got the vest, doesn't seem the like the type you'd make wear the green vest.
Doubt it would have sat well with him either, might explore come EOS.
Join your old buds Hampson & Griggy at the Tiges Belly, we'll give you games. ;)
Quote from: Toga on April 07, 2014, 05:11:19 PM
Join your old buds Hampson & Griggy at the Tiges Belly, we'll give you games. ;)
We've got enough mids queuing up as it is... but we'll happily take him. 8)
'Knock knock'
Quote from: Spite on April 07, 2014, 04:56:58 PM
I think with all the flack that Watts got, Krezuer has been very very lucky. Write down a list of ruck and you'll note that kreuzer is about 11-12th. And he was a number 1 pick. That's pathetic. Cotchin was the pick after him. They grab cotchin, Sam Jacobs doesn't leave, you get a better ruckmen and a competent midfield too. That pick has cost the club nearly more than any other ridiculously bad picks in recent times.
There are a few things wrong with this assessment. Not to make excuses for Kreuz, but injuries have not been kind to him. He came to the club fresh off hip surgery, his second season was pretty good, he had an ACL injury in his 3rd, he came back and was pretty underdone the following year but continued to show glimpses, 2012 he was really good again with a couple of niggling injury concerns, last season he showed brilliant early season form before the finger injury, came back and played forward which doesn't suit him, moved into the ruck again and tore games apart, he was then moved forward again which made no sense in an attempt to fit Warnock into the side. Kreuz is one of the guys that is getting played out of position. His best position is in the ruck, his follow up work and work around the ground is what pushes him into the upper tier of the position, by being forced to play as a forward that takes away his best skillset. He should be Carlton's number 1 ruck with Casboult/Rowe spelling him, not Warnock. Warnock and Kreuz are not effective together in the same side due to the fact Warnock can't play forward.
Also Jacobs was a raw rookie listed prospect when they drafted Kreuzer. When Carlton took Kreuz, their rucks were Cam Cloke, Setants, Hammer in his second season and a rookie listed Sam Jacobs. The reason Jacobs was pushed out had to do with a few things. The first was that the club decided to bring in Robbie Warnock on a big contract. They felt they needed insurance in the ruck stocks and wanted to play 2 of Kreuz, Warnock, Hammer and Jacobs. The rules changed the year after they brought in Warnock introducing the sub, this meant the death of two pure rucks in the same side. Jacobs was out of contract and had to compete with Warnock and Hampson for a spot in the side, in terms of wanting playing time he knew he could go home to Adelaide and slot into their side. Due to Warnock and Jacobs being similar players in terms of guys who win the hitouts and don't do much else around the ground, the club felt Sauce was expendable since they had made such an investment in Warnock. So effectively the reason Jacobs was pushed out of Carlton had less to do with Kreuz and more to do with Warnock. Even if Carlton did not draft Kreuzer, it would have given them more of a reason to bring Warnock to the club and the Jacobs situation still would have panned out the way it did, the decision had everything to do with Robbie Warnock
To the Richmond supporters thinking they will get Bell, keep dreaming.
I watched On The Couch tonight and they brought up something interesting. 18 months ago, round 21 of the 2012 season, Carlton smashed the Bombers by 96 points. The next week Carlton lost to the GC at Metricon and Brett Ratten was sacked. This week Essendon smashed Carlton by 81 points
And to put some perspective into the 2012 GC game, Carlton lost by 12 points having kicked 11.20 to 15.8. Tom Lynch received 3 Brownlow votes for his performance that night. Carlton entered the match without Jamison and Henderson who were both injured. The intended opponent for Lynch was a young kid in Andrew McInnes who was in his 8th game of football but had performed really well in the previous weeks. McInnes tore his ACL in the first couple of minutes of the game forcing Bryce Gibbs to go to Lynch as they had basically run out of options. Lynch is 199 cm and 97 kg's, Gibbs is 188 cm and 86 kg's. A week after demolishing Essendon, the coach was sacked on the back of this performance.
Understand about the Sam Jacobs situation, that was fair enough.
Krezuer being played out of position...I agree but jack watts was too and it did not stop him from copping flack (although he didn't have injuries) There was a perfectly good Trent cotchin though but Carlton took an injured player who was a ruck (where ruck are usually more prone to injury due to the physical nature of the position), it's really just dumb. I think it's pretty clear to all recruiters now that you don't take a ruckmen within the first 15 and you trade for one for a first round pick later and it's all cool beans. At least you'll get a key forward in this years draft
Ps does Buckley have good JS?
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 08, 2014, 12:25:15 AM
To the Richmond supporters thinking they will get Bell, keep dreaming.
We're not thinking we'll get him.
We're telling him that the door is open for him if he wants to walk on in. ;)
Quote from: Spite on April 08, 2014, 02:00:16 PM
Understand about the Sam Jacobs situation, that was fair enough.
Krezuer being played out of position...I agree but jack watts was too and it did not stop him from copping flack (although he didn't have injuries) There was a perfectly good Trent cotchin though but Carlton took an injured player who was a ruck (where ruck are usually more prone to injury due to the physical nature of the position), it's really just dumb. I think it's pretty clear to all recruiters now that you don't take a ruckmen within the first 15 and you trade for one for a first round pick later and it's all cool beans. At least you'll get a key forward in this years draft
Kreuz has shown more then Watts. Again, Kreuzer's issues have been with his body, Watts has issues with his mentality. If you also go back and look at that draft in retrospect, Kreuzer was the consensus number 1 junior in the country, especially for a team that lacked quality talls. Cotchin had injury issues with his foot when he was drafted and struggled with those issues the first few seasons of his career. If we are going to go back and look at retrospect picks in previous drafts, let's go to the Bryce Gibbs draft. 6 teams overlooked Joel Selwood due to his knee issues as a junior.......
Quote from: Spite on April 08, 2014, 02:00:48 PM
Ps does Buckley have good JS?
I wouldn't say it is great. I would like to see him play, but I think if they play him off half back he is competing for a spot in the side with Docherty. Walker/Simpson/Yarran will all rotate off half back so there is maybe 1 spot left there.
Quote from: NigeyS on April 08, 2014, 02:17:27 PM
We're not thinking we'll get him.
We're telling him that the door is open for him if he wants to walk on in. ;)
I don't think he wants to go to a team that can't win a final :P
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 08, 2014, 12:25:15 AM
To the Richmond supporters thinking they will get Bell, keep dreaming.
Lol I don't think we'll get him, I dont give a flower where he goes tbh.
knock knock
hahahaha.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-copping-plenty-of-internet-memes-thanks-to-recent-poor-form/story-fni5f5nx-1226879916576
Sorry, too funny not to share!!
Haha there are some rippers there
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'Knock knock'
Who's there? ???
"Owen"
Owen who? :P
O and Three ;D
p*ss funny! ;D
on topic, I think you're all looking back at Ratts' tenure period with nostalgic 'rose coloured' glasses - sure they were on the up but that's what 'Carltank' ( ;)) was all about, a re-building phase.
don't get me wrong, Ratts was a decent coach but he and his staff had no plan B on gameday when things were goin to sh*t or they were getting smashed - he just didn't try much at all.
the mark of the good coach i reckon is whether they can make a bad team good, a good team great or turn a struggling outfit around.
this why we heap praise on Ken Hinkley and the hierarchy at PTA already, cos they were the basketcase of the AFL in 2012 to winning a final in 2013. it's also why now we get to see where Roosy sits on the GOAT coaches ladder with what he may or may not do with the Dees in the next couple of years ... :)
Not sure on the selection thinking in dropping these four in Bell, Garlett,White and Waite Love the inclusion of Cripps as he is the future. So is Bell. I really do not understand his omission as he only played a quarter last week and the game was over so it wasn't his fault. Nice to get Lucas back. Dropping Waite for Casbault? Maybe Mick is making a statement in Casbault is the future and Waite at 31 missing easy chances as he does is making a statement. Looks like Menzel has taken Garletts spot as the main crumming forward.
Well this week against Melbourne @ $1.13 there are going to be many good players probably not the game the players need a Malthouse firecracker to get them going.
haha.
no sunlight.
Just got darker, heh.
So, how long until Mick is gone?
Just looked at our run of games to the bye. Bulldogs, Eagles, Pies, Saints and then the bye. Carlton could be 0-7 going into the Saints game, and with their poor form against the Saints in previous seasons, they very well could be 0-8 going into the bye.
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'Knock knock'
Who's there? ???
"Owen"
Owen who? :P
O and four ;D
Fixed it four you < Pun intended
Well I can't say I'm Carlton's biggest fan but wow something is going wrong. Happy for the Dees to get a win on the board and thought they were a chance but was not really expecting them to get up.
The question where to now. My only hope is that we are tanking. I did not watch the game yesterday and don't think I will, I'm assuming it was the same heartless crap we put up against essendon
Pick 1 is ours Carlton >:D
Only place to go is up.
Mick needs to get his act together though.
Sacking Mick won't help. The recruiters are shower!
Swapped Grigg for some spud who's delisted
Gave Jacobs away for what?
Overpayed for Dale Thomas
Wasted pick #1 on Kreuzer
The biggest flower up of all is the Judd trade. You guys were nowhere near a premiership so bringing him in made no sense at all. Judd and Armfield for Josh J. Kennedy, Pick 3 (could have had Dangerfield) and pick 20 (could have had Rance)
LOSERS
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Quote from: Angry Dude on April 13, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
The biggest flower up of all is the Judd trade. You guys were nowhere near a premiership so bringing him in made no sense at all. Judd and Armfield for Josh J. Kennedy, Pick 3 (could have had Dangerfield) and pick 20 (could have had Rance)
LOSERS
Rance got taken at 18, so no they couldn't have taken him with 20. Could have taken Scott Selwood though. Their next pick in the draft (36) they took Steven Browne, but they could have taken Scott Thompson (Roos) who was taken at 37. Hindsight is great for pointing out flaws
yeh I don't like the "could have taken this gun with this pick instead".
The draft is such a lottery sometimes
Well I really did not expect us to win the Kreuzer Cup Mark II.
Do you really think Mick will get done for tanking or do you think he covered it fairly well. Perhaps Brock McClean will go back to Melbourne and go on the couch and say he couldn't stay at a club that did not play to win.
Quote from: Angry Dude on April 13, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
Sacking Mick won't help. The recruiters are shower!
Swapped Grigg for some spud who's delisted
Gave Jacobs away for what?
Overpayed for Dale Thomas
Wasted pick #1 on Kreuzer
The biggest flower up of all is the Judd trade. You guys were nowhere near a premiership so bringing him in made no sense at all. Judd and Armfield for Josh J. Kennedy, Pick 3 (could have had Dangerfield) and pick 20 (could have had Rance)
LOSERS
Hindsight is such a great thing.
I think ever other club would have taken kreuzer.
If only we had trade fev and not Kennedy.
I swear, dropping Bell is probably the worst decision Mick has made while at Carlton.
Bell and Cripps could make an insane duo in the future...
Quote from: Master Q on April 13, 2014, 03:30:08 PM
Bell and Cripps could make an insane duo in the future...
That won't happen.
Bell will probably request a trade at the end of the season. :P
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Bell and Cripps could make an insane duo in the future...
That won't happen.
Bell will probably request a trade at the end of the season. :P
Key word: Could
If he plays every game from here I doubt he'll leave
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Bell and Cripps could make an insane duo in the future...
That won't happen.
Bell will probably request a trade at the end of the season. :P
Key word: Could
If he plays every game from here I doubt he'll leave
Mick is not really showing any signs of playing him at all.
Its been awhile since I been around but I just thought I'd pop my head in and see how everyone is doing?
Seen the best meme the other day, funnily enough it was before the Melbourne loss too.
Went something like
'Set foxtel IQ to record all the episodes of the Biggest Loser"
"It series linked all Carlton games"
Quote from: Cruiseon on April 14, 2014, 09:33:15 PM
Its been awhile since I been around but I just thought I'd pop my head in and see how everyone is doing?
Fantastic, absolutely flowering fantastic. :(
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Seen the best meme the other day, funnily enough it was before the Melbourne loss too.
Went something like
'Set foxtel IQ to record all the episodes of the Biggest Loser"
"It series linked all Carlton games"
haha yeh saw that one last week too. Classic
Vin, go back and read my response to the PM you sent me in November
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 14, 2014, 10:39:32 PM
Vin, go back and read my response to the PM you sent me in November
Alright I'll try find it mate.
Quote from: Vinny on April 14, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
Alright I'll try find it mate.
I just read through it before and there are a couple things that stand out
Wow, haha. You nailed quite a few things there man. Good read, reflecting even though it's Round 4. Gives us a pretty good gauge on where we are at and the reality of things.
Mick is a spastic.
I think you should coach Carlton.
I might copy paste some of it in to here if I can be F'ed
Yeah do it man.
So Vinny pretty much asked me back in November about my thoughts on the club and the recruits since I have been pretty vocal all off-season with my displeasure of the Daisy signing. If you see any Duigan references, this was written before he retired.
I don't have a problem with the Docherty pickup, most outsiders thought he did enough to get games, that is the one recruit I do agree with as he should allow Walker and Simmo to rotate through the midfield more if he is used properly. I do have massive problems with paying a guy 700k a season to most likely sit on the sidelines. That money would make him the highest paid player on the list, that means more then Murphy, more then Judd, more then Gibbs, Kruez, Hendo and so on. Is he worth it? Hell no. Especially for 4 years, you have potentially crippled your salary cap meaning you are up shower creek in the years time. What the AFL have yet to learn is that FA is not the way to go about building a team. FA has existed in American sports for years now, the teams that are most successful in the NFL are the ones that build a team through the draft and draft well, not the ones that go out and spend huge amounts in FA. They are the teams that struggle for years and end up at the bottom because their big recruit busts and they are literally stuck with them. Go and read up about the 'Dream Team' Philadelphia Eagles or the Albert Haynesworth signing. Actually any FA signing the Redskins have had in the last decade. To sum it up, to spend 700 k on a guy with a bum ankle is flat out stupid management.
Also if Carlton are going to be a finals side, a guy like Everitt should not be in the 22. He saw extended time at the Swans last year with all the injuries they had and he was serviceable. To let a guy like Laidler walk that was elite in his position because you are so hard headed you won't play him and have his replacement be Everitt, bad management again. They spent to much time f'ing around on the Docherty deal that they missed out on Delaney and Bruce who could have come in and held down a key post allowing Hendo to swing forward. You also had Joey Montagna on the market and he would have been the perfect fit for us to push for a flag.
On the topic of Bell, he was smashing the VFL constantly last season and couldn't get a game. He was dropped in favor of Bootsma, Lucas and Cachia a couple of times. You might think that Malthouse is a smart guy that knows what he is doing, I don't. I think he is a senile dinosaur whose gameplan is outdated and can easily be shown up. Geelong exploited this gameplan in his last game as Pies coach in 2010. I will make a list of guys that were given extended spells in the VFL last year when their form warranted them a game in the 1's
Laidler
Bell
Duigan
Graham
Curnow
Hampson
Watson
Yarran
Robbo
Ellard
Guys like Boots, Lucas, Rowe, White and even Casboult at times were getting games while these guys were stuck in the VFL. Also for a guy that is supposed to know about player management he really butchered the Yarran situation. As soon as he got into it with Yarran, he lost Betts and Garlett. The three of them are really close and have each others backs, that was part of the reason for Eddie putting the massive pricetag on his head, he wanted out after the way the situation was handled.
Then forget about playing the guys out of position. You had Simmo playing deep back before he was finally given a license to push forward, when he did his form skyrocketed and he won a B&F, you had Murphy, Judd, Yarran and McLean spending extended periods deep forward. I know Judd is ageing, but he doesn't have the skills required to play as a forward. He isn't great overhead and his goalkicking is below average. Murphy is a good goalkicking option, but it has to be as a mid. That is how he had his big seasons, being in close winning the hard ball and then spreading forward to run in and steady. Not as a marking option. McLean is an in and under mid not a forward. So you have a coach that doesn't know how to use his cattle, to run an outdated gameplan and then when they end up behind he tells them to go play, they go through the middle and look infinitely better. A good coach molds his system to fit the players he has. When your best attribute is speed by foot and speed in moving the ball, you don't limit that by playing along the boundary. The best example of this was the final against the Swans. The wings were just about unusable in that game as it was like an ice rink, so instead of playing more direct and moving quickly through the guts, they continued to play along the dodgy wings and kept slipping over. Again that is dumb football and what does it say about the coach if he is instructing the players to play that way?
Even if you go back to the season, I lost count of how many times teams just sat a loose on each wing to create a two on one as the players were instructed to go boundary. This resulted in constant marks from the opposition and a counter attack staight into the 50. It happened in round 1 against Richmond and it happened countless other times during the season. Malthouse's answer after the game is that even though Carlton dominated playing that style of football, that he wasn't going to play it that way. It isn't that we don't have the talent, because we sure as hell do, but it is frustrating to see as a supporter a gameplan that is so predictable that the opposition just picks it apart before the coach throws it out to only see them come back and either win or keep it within a kick. He is trying to fit a round peg into a square hole and he is so egotistical that he will continue to do it and Carlton will continue to struggle. The worst mistake that club made was firing Ratten to go after Malthouse. Ratts had a year to run on his contract, if they failed last season, they could have let him walk and gone after Roos. Instead he is now at Melbourne and we have a coach who would rather play favourites then pick players on merit.
Also Bootsma would be alright if we used him the way the Cats use Mackie or GC use Cannon. He is not a key defender.
Honestly I can't see us being successful with his gameplan, I think our older guys have 1 year left and he ended up cutting a bunch of kids we put a ton of development into so we don't have instant replacements. Carlton need to rebuild, but the rebuild can be done in 2 seasons if they used all the tools available to their advantage. They need to draft well, trade the spuds like Lucas for what they can get and develop the kids like Buckley, Graham and Bell to step in. I think he takes his 2 years, does nothing and we have a new coach come in and rebuild.
Vinny also asked me on my thoughts of the best 22 at the club
I can't get a best 22, its going to come mainly down to form if you are hoping your young guys push for games
If Docherty plays, you have to move Simmo and Walker into the midifield
You want 3 of your tall defenders to be out of Jamo, Watson, McInnes and Duigan. This is assuming they play Hendo forward, so you have those 3 with Tuohy who is a guaranteed walk up start, then the other two medium/smalls are going to either be Walker (if he doesn't play in the guts or up forward), Yarran (if he doesn't play forward), Simmo, Docherty, Everitt, Gibbs and Scotty
The midfield rotation you have Murphy, Judd, Gibbs, McLean, Robbo (although you list him forward but he plays in the middle) and Carrots are your walk ups. You still have Simmo, Scotty and Walker to roll through there and you have Bell, Graham, Lucas, Curnow and Cachia battling for spots
Forwards you will have Hendo, Waite, Jeffy, Menzel, Armfield (defensive forward), the resting ruck so that would be Kruez or Casboult. Then you have to decide on Warnock and Kreuz or Kreuz and Casboult/Rowe. I personally don't like Kreuz forward so if I was playing both rucks I would try something a bit differently. If I went with Kreuz and Warnock I would play them both at the contest around the ball and use the other in a 3rd man up situation. It would give our mids a huge advantage.
Anyway looking at the guys we have
1. Murphy
2. Judd
3. Gibbs
4. Kreuzer
5. Simmo
6. Walker
7. Jamo
8. Hendo
9. Waite
10. Garlett
11. Yaz
12. McLean
13. Carrots
14. Scotty
15. Robbo
16. Menz
17. Tuohy
18. Dennis
19. Watson
20. McInnes
21. Warnock
22. Docherty
23. Curnow
24. Bell
25. Graham
26. Duigan
27. Everitt
28. Casboult/Rowe
29. Lucas
30. Cachia
So we are batting 30 deep and you have to pick players on merit and form through the season. So if McInnes as a young guy struggles you play Duigan, the same goes with the mids
If you are thinking it's too long to read, don't. Read it, it's good stuff.
that's only some of it? :o
I cut out the irrelevant stuff, there was some things in there about a couple of past players and Dustin Martin.
Enjoyed the read Mat0369 especially the game plan stuff. I have also struggled to work out why we play the boundary over a direct route. Interesting what you say on the final against Sydney and the slippery wings. Was interesting in what you said about the 3 amigos.
Thanks for the write up.
Thought this was a classic:
Mick Malthouse got caught 43ks over the speed limit.
Just shows he will do anything to get 4 points
also quoted in jokes today. Been doing the rounds,
Interesting thoughts Mat, good stuff.
Quote from: Ringo on April 15, 2014, 08:11:44 AM
Thought this was a classic:
Mick Malthouse got caught 43ks over the speed limit.
Just shows he will do anything to get 4 points
also quoted in jokes today. Been doing the rounds,
Haha ;D
yeah, looking at your list of 30 Mat it actually doesn't look that bad ... your top8 'elite' are solid it's the consistency of the 10-25 that is probably the key in the short-medium term ...
like your analysis of the game style - when they were winning last year, it was coming from run and overlap thru the middle and not his Collingwood gameplan of hug the boundary ... other example is the 'almost come-back' against Richmond this year.
Great read mat. I would love to read that on the back of the herald sun. With the headline malthouse sacked.
Good stuff mat do u think there is any chance of malthouse tinkering with this game plan as u said it is so predictable i can not for the life of me understand why we play the flanks. Nothing different how easy is for the opposition to look at our game plan and think to them self s how easy is this they may as well sit in on our strategy meetings its that predictable. I don't know what the answer is but it is so frustrating to watch to even defend in an argument anyway im a loyal carlton supporter always have been and always will be.
there is a pulse...
That can't of been the same side that played the 1st 4 rounds. Good to see the boys play with a bit of heart. Looked like we were playing on a lot more and taking the game on thru the middle. Only issue I have is why play Judd. I know the injury had nothing to do with his previous injury, but then why play him as the sub
Win has come at a cost unfortunately
FOX FOOTY LIVE @FOXFootyLive 34m
Ouch! @CarltonFC champ Chris Judd (hammy) out for 5wks, Curnow 6 wks (fractured fibula) + Bell (finger) 3-4 weeks
Never knew Bell was hurt.
Not like we were going deep into the finals anyway. Still a shame though.
Quote from: Ricochet on April 21, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
Win has come at a cost unfortunately
FOX FOOTY LIVE @FOXFootyLive 34m
Ouch! @CarltonFC champ Chris Judd (hammy) out for 5wks, Curnow 6 wks (fractured fibula) + Bell (finger) 3-4 weeks
flower that sucks. Curnow showed a lot of courage to try to keep playing, a fractured freakin fibula just wouldn't let him. hope Judd can get himself right to have a good second half of 2014.
was a really good win by you guys as well. pretty much didn't have a bench at the end there
St.Kilda were great as well Brad ;)
a good weekend for us both mate 8)
Stoked with that win, we are looking a lot better than we did two weeks ago. Long way to go but I'm happy.
Murphy is a flowering gun.
Levi needs to get his kicking right.
Good to see Waite and Jeffy back in good touch.
Hendo!!
Hope we can keep it up!
2 in a rowe :)
Quote from: Master Q on April 26, 2014, 08:33:02 PM
2 in a rowe :)
I'm trying to work out if the e is intentional or not. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on April 26, 2014, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: Master Q on April 26, 2014, 08:33:02 PM
2 in a rowe :)
I'm trying to work out if the e is intentional or not. :P
Rowe was brilliant on Kennedy, love that move too as the Waite/Henderson combination is proving potent...
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on April 30, 2014, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: NigeyS on April 26, 2014, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: Master Q on April 26, 2014, 08:33:02 PM
2 in a rowe :)
I'm trying to work out if the e is intentional or not. :P
Rowe was brilliant on Kennedy, love that move too as the Waite/Henderson combination is proving potent...
I've always liked Sammy Rowe, and not just because I've got him in WXVs. :P
I reckon he's been pretty decent is his role as a defender.
The reserves are on ABC. I figured I would watch it on TV instead of going down to Cramer Street. Two players I didn't realise they recruited. First the good, former Gold Coast Sun Joel Wilkinson, his kicking is a bit iffy but I was surprised the Suns delisted him, now the bad, former Pie and Docker, Jack Anthony. If he tries to recruit this f'ing giant spud to the seniors next year, they should sack him on the spot
And Bootsma is f'ing terrible.
They are getting smashed, this is disgraceful. The head is injured and no one looks like they are pushing for selection
Cameron Wood with 73 hitouts? Holy shower. :o
Jesus, that is not a good sign.
And watching the game his opponent had more influence as he was able to kick a goal while Wood was dropping easy marks and handballing directly to the opposition.
looks like you guys aren't the only ones in trouble...
Quote from: Mr.Craig on May 03, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
Cameron Wood with 73 hitouts? Holy shower. :o
That's insane...
It is pretty crazy but Warnock is a beast so flower off Wood.
Can you imagine what he would have got if he was good.
Hi guys, how's it going?
Quote from: ossie85 on May 04, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Hi guys, how's it going?
we are all #UNITED in telling you to xxxx off
Quote from: fidou on May 06, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 04, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Hi guys, how's it going?
we are all #UNITED in telling you to xxxx off
:p all I needed to hear!
#united they stand, #united they fall
#united we get back up and win three premierships in a row
Quote from: ossie85 on May 06, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: fidou on May 06, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 04, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Hi guys, how's it going?
we are all #UNITED in telling you to xxxx off
:p all I needed to hear!
Excuse my French but its really not cocher to have a plug at people when they're down but I suppose thats the Collingwood way.
Haha back on topic.
We better beat the Saints.
We should change the title of the thread to something less down.
''Carlton 2014 Discussion''
Yeah? :P
The saints seem to have our measure of recent years so we need to bring our A game if we are to win this one.
Quote from: fidou on May 06, 2014, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 06, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: fidou on May 06, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on May 04, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Hi guys, how's it going?
we are all #UNITED in telling you to xxxx off
:p all I needed to hear!
Excuse my French but its really not cocher to have a plug at people when they're down but I suppose thats the Collingwood way.
Honestly fidou, the Pies beat Carlton. We give you crap. When the blues beat collingwood, you give us crap. What's the point of rivalry otherwise? It was the smallest amount of crap I could've possibly given also
When we don't say anything, then you worry, as it means we don't care anymore
I love banter. Its one of things that make AFL good. Would be shower without banter.
Cop it Fidou and gave him shower back.
Come at us Os ;)
Quote from: Vinny on May 06, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
I love banter. Its one of things that make AFL good. Would be shower without banter.
Cop it Fidou and gave him shower back.
Come at us Os ;)
Will do!
But seriously, how do you guys rate your Collingwood recruits in Malthouse and Thomas. Think both have been treated harshly in the media
They can both go F themselves. You expect to get paid 700k a year you better start playing like it
Malthouse is a cow. But he has the history and experience so we just gotta give him abit of time haha.
Not a fan of some of his selection choices though.
Daisy has been average so far but I think his finding his feet slowly. Last week, pressure got to him, was terrible. But in the couple weeks before that, he looked better.
He wasn't worth 700k but we can't do much about that now. Hoping he can be somewhat close to the player he was in 2010.
Media has been harsh on Daisy but with a 700k price tag he was always going to be judged. Mick is copping it because he was brought in with the idea that we were going to become a top side which hasn't happened. Both have had it hard but given the circumstances it's not surprising.
Os, are you able to change the thread title?
I have no powers in these parts Vinny, Hellopplz can
Okay all good
Quote from: Vinny on May 06, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
I love banter. Its one of things that make AFL good. Would be shower without banter.
Cop it Fidou and gave him shower back.
Come at us Os ;)
No worries I know its banter so being able to tell him to .... off its great istn't. He did come back for more etc etc. One day we will floor Collingwood and its going to be very special because there is nothing better in this life than hating Collingwood.
;D