Poll
Question:
Will you start with GARY ABLETT?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 54
Option 2: Maybe
votes: 16
Option 3: No
votes: 30
Yes or No? Why?
Too expensive for mine, past his prime.
Quote from: Munyk on January 19, 2014, 10:57:14 AM
Too expensive for mine, past his prime.
He just won the brownlow medal, and his scores were affected at the end of the year by him carrying injury.
to be fair, he'll probs pick up niggles towards the end of the season most of the time, but that doesn't really justify not starting him.
That being said, I'm not starting him either :P I just think the 'past his prime' judgement is premature :P
Yes.
He's the best player in the AFL and Supercoach. He's still in his prime.
Other mids stepping up will only help take attention off him.
If he goes forward he's likely to still get the ball AND kick goals.
Gold Coast will push for the 8 this season and a fit GAJ will be a huge part.
He solves the captaincy problem 9 times out of 10. I hate trying to guess who will be the best non-GAJ captain and getting it wrong more often than not. If Pendles has a bad game or 2 or gets injured who's your 120+ captain?
This season it seems having him should put u ahead of ALOT of other teams that aren't picking him.
No need that extra 90 - 100k elsewhere gun will get him in team ASAP , faces a couple of good taggers in first 3 rounds might come down in price a bit .
Quote from: shaker on January 19, 2014, 11:43:57 AM
No need that extra 90 - 100k elsewhere gun will get him in team ASAP , faces a couple of good taggers in first 3 rounds might come down in price a bit .
Sure and then by the time u can afford to trade him in he's gone back up in price. Are u gonna get him in round 4 or 5? How?
Im of the thought that hes going to be there anyway, my team that is, so why
bother using a trade to get him in later plus the captain issue is solved
Yeah Gary Ablett is a lock straight into my team also. Picking him over Pendlebury actually and I have my reasons for that.
Will dominate like usual, don't see any difference in scoring output, and he should still be #1 in Supercoach again this year.
As ubeaut says, the interchange cap doesn't change anything, he is a must and I can't look at my team the same without him.
Quote from: ubeaut on January 19, 2014, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: shaker on January 19, 2014, 11:43:57 AM
No need that extra 90 - 100k elsewhere gun will get him in team ASAP , faces a couple of good taggers in first 3 rounds might come down in price a bit .
Sure and then by the time u can afford to trade him in he's gone back up in price. Are u gonna get him in round 4 or 5? How?
I always have to burn some trades early to adjust my team not starting with cheap ruck combo so might be able to free up some cash early if one of the cheapie rucks has blinding start if not I will get by till I can afford him but he will be in my team sooner than later maybe if there are some cheaper rookies playing round 1 I might be able to squeeze him in but not at the moment
Yeah I'll start him. I am too scared he will destroy if I don't.
I've got him locked in atm, it's a risky move leaving him out, as he can post some massive scores.
I don't need the stress of not having him.
Was averaging basically 135 for most the year until injuries started to affect him over a couple of rounds. Priced at under 130 so I'm viewing him as underpriced. I don't see anyone out averaging him this year, not even Pendles. Jelwood still isn't even in his league.
He is a must imo
yeah must have, the only guy i can see outstripping him anytime soon is Danger back in the guts
nope, like franklin id watch him in the early rounds but with slowing down, gc speading up and guys like fyfe, libba, danger, pendes, jselwood and watdon all coming into that prime zone. im looking at him to fall out of the top 5 mids
smart move last year to avoid him, only 3 games in the year it would have been better to have him
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
smart move last year to avoid him, only 3 games in the year it would have been better to have him
how so?
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
nope, like franklin id watch him in the early rounds but with slowing down, gc speading up and guys like fyfe, libba, danger, pendes, jselwood and watdon all coming into that prime zone. im looking at him to fall out of the top 5 mids
smart move last year to avoid him, only 3 games in the year it would have been better to have him
Ablett to fall out of the top 5 mids? I want whatever you're smoking....
I've posted the number in another thread, Ablett averaged 138 in 2012 and was on track to repeat that until injured in the last few rounds of 2013. He still took out the highest average in the comp albeit very closely followed by Pendles. I was actually not going to start with him until I did the numbers and realised how badly those last few games affected him, prior to that he was caning Pendles. He is still the little master.
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
nope, like franklin id watch him in the early rounds but with slowing down, gc speading up and guys like fyfe, libba, danger, pendes, jselwood and watdon all coming into that prime zone. im looking at him to fall out of the top 5 mids
smart move last year to avoid him, only 3 games in the year it would have been better to have him
You have to be trolling, surely? Fyfe and Libba aren't even on the same page as Danger, Watson, Selwood and Pendles, then again, Ablett is a step further in front.
Quote from: _wato on January 20, 2014, 02:41:33 PM
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
nope, like franklin id watch him in the early rounds but with slowing down, gc speading up and guys like fyfe, libba, danger, pendes, jselwood and watdon all coming into that prime zone. im looking at him to fall out of the top 5 mids
smart move last year to avoid him, only 3 games in the year it would have been better to have him
You have to be trolling, surely? Fyfe and Libba aren't even on the same page as Danger, Watson, Selwood and Pendles, then again, Ablett is a step further in front.
I was going to say, after looking at his comments in the Daisy and Buddy threads, I smell a troll...
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
nope, like franklin id watch him in the early rounds but with slowing down, gc speading up and guys like fyfe, libba, danger, pendes, jselwood and watdon all coming into that prime zone. im looking at him to fall out of the top 5 mids
smart move last year to avoid him, only 3 games in the year it would have been better to have him
No way in hell was it a smart move, more like only three games it would have been better to not have him. Bar those games he destroyed every week.
Trolling for sure.
What more does Gaz need to do mate?
I think we are all looking for reasons to keep him out becoz we have all had him for so many years and it seems boring.
There is so much value with midfielders we are justifying it when u probably can't.
Agree with Rico u could argue he is underpriced.
you could argue that hes jesus resurrected but that doesnt make it true either
you could argue that he mere looks at the ball and using telekinesis is goes into his hands, which seems to me what most people believe happens if they think a 29 year old isnt actually 2 years now past his 'prime' age
there was 3 games where yes he top scored the league comfortably. every other game if he was the top it was by 1 or 2 points, and on the hole there were others. you talk about the stress of not worrying about captains, yet for the last third of last season, worrying about captains put people in better positions, and really aside from 3 games, worrying about captains may have given you an over all edge
fyfe and libba are nearing that prime age is why i included them, if you want to even utter the phrase in any post 'natural progression' then you must balance your statement out with 'natural regression'
not, "people get better through there careers and as they age slow down and become less valuable, unless your gaz who breaks the rules cause hes literally the son of god"
my apologies for any offence in relation to comparing Gaz to Jesus, it was not intended to be rude but merely a comparative between that religious relationship and that of what people thing gaz is
I would argue that 29 is still prime age? Look at SJ this year, and NRoo, Boomer, Petrie, Montagna... All older and had big years
bit of a spurious comparison though mate to say there was only 3 games he was clearly top of the league, of course there are games where someone else pulls out a score that beats his, someone will do it most weeks. The trick is that he does it week in week out, so yeah there was a game where Rory Sloane got 180 and Ablett got 67 (round 20 last year). But how many times did Gazza slam Sloane? an average 20 points better over the season suggests a lot. Every single week there will be one or two people who do better than him, but it's different people every week. Good luck picking that player week to week.
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
I would argue that 29 is still prime age? Look at SJ this year, and NRoo, Boomer, Petrie, Montagna... All older and had big years
are you starting with those guys are you?
SJ: 4 games over 130 missing 5 games excluding by
lets see, NRoo 4 games over 130, 11 games under 100 2 under 80
boomer missed round 1-6 3 games over 130 (two of those were 130)
petrie 2 games over 130 4 under 80 and 1 under 50
montagna 6 over 130
so montagna out of 5 players is the only one that you could use to prove your point that 29 is still prime age?
as for picking the captain every week, can someone enlighten me how many of the top say 50 teams had gaz as captain every week, or were they more serious and thought about it and ended up on top?
i remember a friend of mine saying 'oh ohh oohhhhh swan is my captain hes the best and will kill it'
2 months later 'i traded swan'
ya take the punt on the Vice Captain using the loophole but ya i bet they all had Gaz to fall back on if it didn't work out, that's where the extra points come from.
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 03:29:24 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
I would argue that 29 is still prime age? Look at SJ this year, and NRoo, Boomer, Petrie, Montagna... All older and had big years
are you starting with those guys are you?
SJ: 4 games over 130 missing 5 games excluding by
lets see, NRoo 4 games over 130, 11 games under 100 2 under 80
boomer missed round 1-6 3 games over 130 (two of those were 130)
petrie 2 games over 130 4 under 80 and 1 under 50
montagna 6 over 130
so montagna out of 5 players is the only one that you could use to prove your point that 29 is still prime age?
::) They're a fair bit older than GAJ.
Ablett 29yrs old 129ave... was going at 136 until the last few rounds
SJ 30yrs old 115ave... missed games through suspension. improved again at 30yrs old
NRoo 31yrs old 105ave... bounced back to his best at 31yrs old
Boomer 25yrs old 104ave... missed 1-6 through suspension not injury
Petrie 31yrs old 102ave.. had his best season to date in terms of SC as a 31yr old
Montagna 30yrs old 114ave... his best season since 2010 as a 30yr old
Ablett is younger and a far better player. Do not expect a drop off anytime soon
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
I would argue that 29 is still prime age? Look at SJ this year, and NRoo, Boomer, Petrie, Montagna... All older and had big years
Add Dane Swan to that list, was 29 last year and averaged 117. Although it wasn't an improvement it was still a bloody good effort with 11+ 120 games and we all know how long he's been a fantasy scoring king for. If it wasn't for the amount of times he was benched imagine the scores he could've had, as he had some of the most impressive points per minute in the league.
Ablett is in another league to Swan which is hard to admit but true. Ablett will still remain king, and you've be silly to not think so.
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 03:29:24 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
I would argue that 29 is still prime age? Look at SJ this year, and NRoo, Boomer, Petrie, Montagna... All older and had big years
are you starting with those guys are you?
SJ: 4 games over 130 missing 5 games excluding by
lets see, NRoo 4 games over 130, 11 games under 100 2 under 80
boomer missed round 1-6 3 games over 130 (two of those were 130)
petrie 2 games over 130 4 under 80 and 1 under 50
montagna 6 over 130
so montagna out of 5 players is the only one that you could use to prove your point that 29 is still prime age?
as for picking the captain every week, can someone enlighten me how many of the top say 50 teams had gaz as captain every week, or were they more serious and thought about it and ended up on top?
i remember a friend of mine saying 'oh ohh oohhhhh swan is my captain hes the best and will kill it'
2 months later 'i traded swan'
SJ - 6th best midfielder
Nroo - 2nd best forward
Boomer - 3rd best forward
Petrie - 4th best forward
Montagna - 7th best midfielder
PRIME
the top 3 teams
yes they had gaz, they had SJ
removing swan from that list cause i ant be bothered.
montagna, nroo, petrie, boomer, all not there?
prime?
the top 3 would probably argue against it..
the numbers how, yes over all you would have done well last year having gaz as captain every week.
however on average, if you picked the right person each will your roof would have been 79.238 better off over the season
having had gaz every week, your max would have increased 1664 points over the year
lets face it, there is some evidence to support picking gaz historically on his own basis is a smart move right from the start. however on the flip side there is also evidence to show that age of him, and his team and other players will also take an affect and teams may be better off to wait till hes prices mid 500's or lower
round 5 for example
gaz scored 152 (great score)
Griffen, Ryan
Goldstein, Todd
Rockliff, Tom
Deledio, Brett
Lynch, Tom T.
all outscored him
personally i had 3 of that 5
round 12 gaz scores 147
Swan, Dane
Dangerfield, Patrick
went above him
alot of teams also had these two gents
round 6 137
Pendlebury, Scott
Dangerfield, Patrick
Walker, Andrew
Christensen, Allen
Shuey, Luke
Thomas, Dale
round 4 131
that list is a little big
Fantastic, just pick rounds that support your argument. ::)
you obviously have a pretty poor statistical knowledge to think that you could successfully pick the player every week who is going to outscore GAJ when its usually a different guy most weeks. We all try with the captain loophole to do it and it only comes true maybe 25% of the time if that and then we lock in GAJ for his consistent high scores, if it weren't for him you be having to try and gamble twice and your captains score would on average end up nowhere near GAJ's average for the year
Every one is worried he mite slow down. That is why a lot of us don't have him in our teams ATM.
But that doesn't mean we won't change our minds before round one.
To say he won't finish top five is plain and simple wrong. He will. I'll put a mortgage on it.
To say it was a mistake last year to have him was also wrong. It was a mistake to not start him.
There has never been a fantasy player like Gaz and there probably never will.
Yeah Col is right, you can act like a genius and say most people used the loophole and decided to go with other guys, but almost every single person would have had Ablett as their backup. Simply because his the best, his average showed that.
If you think that not starting the highest averaging player in the comp was a good idea, then no one can flowering help you. Ignorance.
Hahaha exactly Vinny! And why has it suddenly moved from 'Will you start with Ablett' to 'Ablett got out scored on a few occasions and shouldn't of been made captain that week', yet your arguments still say that Ablett scored 152, 147, 137, and 131 which is way over and beyond what any other player in fantasy football could even dream of scoring.
The topic is 'Will you start with him' not 'what week it was better to have someone else captain'. We understand that side of it, and I certainly didn't make Ablett permanent captain, hence why I finished in the top 650. Not saying that's a good finish but it's pretty common logic, that you pick the best captain for each week. For example - I went with Ablett 11 times, Pendlebury 6 times, Selwood 3 times, Swan twice and Dangerfield once.
Ablett has to be picked, so yes I will say again, I will start with him. No he will not slow down, and yes once again he will average the most out of any player, with Pendbleury and Selwood not far behind.
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 04:00:20 PM
round 5 for example
gaz scored 152 (great score)
Griffen, Ryan
Goldstein, Todd
Rockliff, Tom
Deledio, Brett
Lynch, Tom T.
all outscored him
personally i had 3 of that 5
If you're going to use stats to support your argument at least get them right ::)
In round 5 Ablett was the highest scorer with 160. The 5 you say outscored him scored DNP, 119, 113, 102, and 68 respectively.
Top 10 scorers in rounds...
1 (1st)
5 (1st)
6 (7th)
7 (6th)
9 (5th)
11 (1st)
12 (3rd)
17 (1st)
23 (2nd)
So 9 times Ablett was in the top 10 (actually top 7), being the best scorer on 4 occasions. In the other rounds people will be using VC loopholes when Ablett doesn't step up. No one else would have come close to top scoring each round. If you're seriously saying it wasn't worth having Ablett last year, well then you are seriously deluded!
Quote from: vinny on January 20, 2014, 04:04:50 PM
Fantastic, just pick rounds that support your argument. ::)
actually i picked his highest scoring rounds outside of his 4 games that he did top score, and the last he was 1 point off it
Quote from: Dayze on January 20, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
There has never been a fantasy player like Gaz and there probably never will.
famous last words said about Swan and Judd in their respective highest scoring "perma captain" years
the trick is in my opinion to know when to get off a band wagon, its around where the wheels fall off generally, gaz's last third looked like a few bolts came out
Quote from: Dayze on January 20, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
To say he won't finish top five is plain and simple wrong. He will. I'll put a mortgage on it.
i too will put your mortgage on it.. and in 10 months time, remember this debate and who was right
statistically i do have the advantage.
hes been the top mid for how many years. and we are categorically saying that he will stay as a must keep for how many more years? perhaps you have to keep him for a couple years after he retires cause he scored so well for a period of time that even though he doesnt play the sense of his power still affects games. surely SC can account for that.. lets call it 'the force' to suggest that hes some kind of Jedi...
Jedi Master Garry Jesus Ablett
You talk so much shower man.
If Gaz isn't a Top 5 midfielder, that would make him your M6, M7 or M8. What kind of joke is that?
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 04:44:40 PM
lets call it 'the force' to suggest that hes some kind of Jedi...
Jedi Master Garry Jesus Ablett
What are you talking about? Lololol, are you drunk?
Is mark621 actually Jukes?
My Ablett (God), some of these posts are hard to understand. It's like reading a different language!
I feel the need to ask Mark, what ranking did you finish with in SC 2013?
Quote from: mark621 on January 20, 2014, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: vinny on January 20, 2014, 04:04:50 PM
Fantastic, just pick rounds that support your argument. ::)
actually i picked his highest scoring rounds outside of his 4 games that he did top score, and the last he was 1 point off it
Quote from: Dayze on January 20, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
There has never been a fantasy player like Gaz and there probably never will.
famous last words said about Swan and Judd in their respective highest scoring "perma captain" years
the trick is in my opinion to know when to get off a band wagon, its around where the wheels fall off generally, gaz's last third looked like a few bolts came out
Quote from: Dayze on January 20, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
To say he won't finish top five is plain and simple wrong. He will. I'll put a mortgage on it.
i too will put your mortgage on it.. and in 10 months time, remember this debate and who was right
statistically i do have the advantage.
hes been the top mid for how many years. and we are categorically saying that he will stay as a must keep for how many more years? perhaps you have to keep him for a couple years after he retires cause he scored so well for a period of time that even though he doesnt play the sense of his power still affects games. surely SC can account for that.. lets call it 'the force' to suggest that hes some kind of Jedi...
Jedi Master Garry Jesus Ablett
Whataver ur smoking dude I want some!
You are basing all this on the fact that Gaz is 29? U know he just won a brownlow?
Becoz he slowed towards the end of year he has lost his ability?
Nobody is arguing Gaz won't slow down one day, I just don't think it will b this year.
But to slow down to around the 110-115 average u are obviously suggesting is mental.
Judd and swan have never been like Gaz in SC, especially Judd.
And as far as Jedi god like goes, maybe most of us do have a little man crush on quite possibly the best player to have played the game we all love.
Keep trolling bud...
to be fair last year i didnt have a great year, and i know exactly who made that happen..
thomas, walker, waters, swallow a.. to name a few oh wait.. hanners too
so i ended up around the 1700 mark. year before that i hit 432
thankfully i was smart and though i had some flowers i had some guns too K. Jack, pendles and the likes
but no ablett all year, you could argue that i was hurt and my ranking fell cause of it, i would blame the names above more
its like suggesting gaz wont be a top midfielder and everyone goes out of their minds
oh and on brownlows.. judd won two, goodes won two. you picking them? cause they won two age isnt a factor
Goodes and Judd won their brownlows at a younger age so you can't compare
i have to head off back to work, been a pleasure. infact im cackling with laughter that so many are so upset at the notion gaz wont be as effective and the mere consideration, by what looks to be a good portion who have voted, not to pick him instantly is an insult.
It was more that you stated not picking him last year was a smart move mate. When clearly it wasn't
Nothing wrong with a 1700 ranking. Out of 350 odd thousand. Interesting with no Gaz.
Think some of your strange comments and wording has got people fired up so your point isn't getting across, but if you believe it, go for it.
I'll be starting Gaz.
i vote no, pricey and uncertain whether Mckenna will move him forward more to give the young midfield brigade more of a go - therefore making GCS less predictable and adding class to their fwd-line ...
Will be starting him without a doubt. Was a fool and left him out of my starting side last year. Who knows where I would have finished overall if I had have started with the little master.
LOCK.
Quote from: j959 on January 20, 2014, 08:01:54 PM
i vote no, pricey and uncertain whether Mckenna will move him forward more to give the young midfield brigade more of a go - therefore making GCS less predictable and adding class to their fwd-line ...
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-superstar-gary-ablett-is-poised-to-remain-a-key-cog-in-the-suns-midfield/story-fnelctok-1226796776329
[McKenna]
"But the year Gary has had I'm not so sure I want him to go forward and have a holiday yet.
"He is still a great player and as much as we need to look after him he was so crucial in helping improve key stats for us.
"That's something we may look at but we know how big an influence he can have on matches when he's on the ball.''
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2014, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: j959 on January 20, 2014, 08:01:54 PM
i vote no, pricey and uncertain whether Mckenna will move him forward more to give the young midfield brigade more of a go - therefore making GCS less predictable and adding class to their fwd-line ...
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-superstar-gary-ablett-is-poised-to-remain-a-key-cog-in-the-suns-midfield/story-fnelctok-1226796776329
[McKenna]
"But the year Gary has had I'm not so sure I want him to go forward and have a holiday yet.
"He is still a great player and as much as we need to look after him he was so crucial in helping improve key stats for us.
"That's something we may look at but we know how big an influence he can have on matches when he's on the ball.''
Lock for me
So many people are finding excuses to leave him out whether it be his price, his age, his teammates, his captaincy, his potential to play forward for a longer extent, not being the number one midfielder, being overtaken as #1 SC player, past his prime, lesser influence on games, and I've also heard him being called Jesus and the Jedi. I've basically heard it all in this thread.
Just LOCK the man in and have no issues at all about trading to get him in later. YES he is worth his price, YES he is still in his prime, NO his teammates won't steal points from him just yet, YES he has potential to play forward BUT that could benefit his scoring, NO that is just ridiculous he is still the number one mid in the comp, NO he will not be overtaken, NO he is not past it yet, NO will he lose his influence on games, and NO he is not the Jedi or Jesus, he is Gary Ablett jnr.
Rant over.
Quote from: _wato on January 21, 2014, 12:26:22 AM
So many people are finding excuses to leave him out whether it be his price, his age, his teammates, his captaincy, his potential to play forward for a longer extent, not being the number one midfielder, being overtaken as #1 SC player, past his prime, lesser influence on games, and I've also heard him being called Jesus and the Jedi. I've basically heard it all in this thread.
Just LOCK the man in and have no issues at all about trading to get him in later. YES he is worth his price, YES he is still in his prime, NO his teammates won't steal points from him just yet, YES he has potential to play forward BUT that could benefit his scoring, NO that is just ridiculous he is still the number one mid in the comp, NO he will not be overtaken, NO he is not past it yet, NO will he lose his influence on games, and NO he is not the Jedi or Jesus, he is Gary Ablett jnr.
Rant over.
i think by 'alot of people' i can be attributed to 9/10 of those remarks
all i can say is if you have the time go look in the history books, judd as perma captain cause hes always scoring highly. by 09 that idea was fading
2010 we saw swan come as the replacement of judd as perma captain, and by late 2011 people were winning games by avoiding him nearly entirely
2011 was the emergence of gaz for captain and hes gone up and up. but really. with an average perma captaincy of those attributed to that status for 2 years. gaz will now hit his 4th season as 'you must have him cause he will be the top again'
id be putting money on pendles to take the mantle of top spot comfortably. and by next year we will be talking of gaz in light of a POD
watch his fall
but remember i cannot predict his fall as much as anyone can predict he will stay up the top. i just go off the pure idea that how many years in a row can you say hes the best of all time, when similar things were said of judd and swan. short memories? or traumatic memories people have blocked out?
Move on bud
Mark is right that this year may be the season not to start with Gaz. Age eventually does catch up with guys and with the heavy lifting Gaz has had to do at the Suns, this will be the year I would expect him to drop off a bit. Maybe not a huge drop off, but I wouldn't be surprised if he averages under 120. I know he is a freak and averaged close to 130 since 2008, but Gold Coast have the potential to push for finals this season and I think they will try and manage him through the season since he will be 30. He also has a tough first 3 rounds to start the season coming up against Crowley (although he scored close to 140 against Freo last year) and Raines in rounds 2 and 3. It might be worth looking at him after the first lot of price drops and save the cash
yeah he has the potential to drop a little at the start but i don't see how ya raise the funds to get him in before like round 6 or 7 and by then he could have pushed it up again and then some
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 21, 2014, 04:24:10 PM
Mark is right that this year may be the season not to start with Gaz. Age eventually does catch up with guys and with the heavy lifting Gaz has had to do at the Suns, this will be the year I would expect him to drop off a bit. Maybe not a huge drop off, but I wouldn't be surprised if he averages under 120. I know he is a freak and averaged close to 130 since 2008, but Gold Coast have the potential to push for finals this season and I think they will try and manage him through the season since he will be 30. He also has a tough first 3 rounds to start the season coming up against Crowley (although he scored close to 140 against Freo last year) and Raines in rounds 2 and 3. It might be worth looking at him after the first lot of price drops and save the cash
I really can't see enough cash being made to be able to do that so early.
So wasting a couple of sideways trades to get him is not wise.
Pendles has Crowley first up , so how will he go?
Happy to have Gazza as a pod though.
Just a quick look at Gaz's scores against his opponents over the last two seasons up until his bye in round 8
Richmond: 133, 120
Freo: DNP, 137
Bris: 129, 150, 112
Hawks: 189, 149
Melb: 165, 152, 67
GWS: 125, 126, 160, 164
NM: 188, 153
That is a 142.29 average, I withdraw my previous statement, even if he has a 10 ppg drop off (which is what I am expecting) through that period he will still average close to that 130 against those teams
Quote from: greenmoon on January 21, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
I really can't see enough cash being made to be able to do that so early.
So wasting a couple of sideways trades to get him is not wise.
Pendles has Crowley first up , so how will he go?
Happy to have Gazza as a pod though.
The difference with Pendles and Gaz is that Gaz is the most likely to be tagged, Freo could send Crowley to 3 different guys although Pendles is the most likely to receive the tag. There is also the age difference
:)
Gazza locked and loaded. Like anything else in life you pay for quality, and Ablett is blue chip quality. Simply the best ( do I hear a song coming on ), better than all the rest. I want to win, so Gazza goes in. Cheers. Also have Pendles, Barlow, Beams and Daisy.
;)
This thread is incredibly awesome.
Mark mate, Ablett is not a permanent captain? How many times do I have to say it? Better coaches such as 90% of FanFooty would also know that is not true. You base a captain on their opposition, form, and a whole lot of other things.
All I'm saying is that Ablett will again be top scorer? I don't see Pendlebury or Selwood being good enough to break 130 to beat him. And don't bring up Judd and Swan as your other points? Judd only averaged over 120 once, Swan four times, and Ablett SIX TIMES running with his lowest average being 127. There is no comparison.
And no I don't have a short memory because I've only played SC for four years. Just stop your argument.
Hmm, Could mark really be Jukes. ;)
No No No Yes. You can't leave out the little master
Quote from: Jackross10 on January 21, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
No No No Yes. You can't leave out the little master
Bloody hell mate, where have you been!? Great to hear from you!
Quote from: _wato on January 21, 2014, 05:26:23 PM
Ablett SIX TIMES running with his lowest average being 127.
precisely my point! you are saying hes gonna be the there for a 7th straight year?? really? if i tossed a coin 100 times it would land on heads 100 times? - that is inferring that i borrowed said coin off gaz to make it possible with the general consensus.
Quote from: Ricochet on January 21, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
Quote from: greenmoon on January 21, 2014, 05:33:15 PM
Hmm, Could mark really be Jukes. ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on January 20, 2014, 05:00:51 PM
Is mark621 actually Jukes?
My thoughts also :p
who is this Jukes? i think i might like him.. sounds to be an intelligent person
and that is stating, i am not "Jukes" - i do have a Juke box at home, but thats as close as i go
Quote from: mark621 on January 22, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: _wato on January 21, 2014, 05:26:23 PM
Ablett SIX TIMES running with his lowest average being 127.
precisely my point! you are saying hes gonna be the there for a 7th straight year?? really? if i tossed a coin 100 times it would land on heads 100 times? - that is inferring that i borrowed said coin off gaz to make it possible with the general consensus.
Starting without Ablett isn't the worst move in the world, but I really don't understand the comparisons you use to try and prove your point :o
Quote from: mark621 on January 22, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: _wato on January 21, 2014, 05:26:23 PM
Ablett SIX TIMES running with his lowest average being 127.
precisely my point! you are saying hes gonna be the there for a 7th straight year?? really? if i tossed a coin 100 times it would land on heads 100 times? - that is inferring that i borrowed said coin off gaz to make it possible with the general consensus.
Yeah buddy, 'really' hahahha. He will be there at the top, again barring injuries. Mark my words.
Quote from: _wato on January 23, 2014, 03:16:28 PM
Quote from: mark621 on January 22, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: _wato on January 21, 2014, 05:26:23 PM
Ablett SIX TIMES running with his lowest average being 127.
precisely my point! you are saying hes gonna be the there for a 7th straight year?? really? if i tossed a coin 100 times it would land on heads 100 times? - that is inferring that i borrowed said coin off gaz to make it possible with the general consensus.
Yeah buddy, 'really' hahahha. He will be there at the top, again barring injuries. Mark my words.
consider them marked :)
How could you not start with GAJ? What's changed? He ain't gonna spend THAT much time forward. No more than he did last year. If you ain't picking the master - good luck to ya.
Quote from: Jimmykidd on January 23, 2014, 05:59:26 PM
How could you not start with GAJ? What's changed? He ain't gonna spend THAT much time forward. No more than he did last year. If you ain't picking the master - good luck to ya.
There's a lot of value in the mids this year, namely Beams, Murphy, and Daisy. Then (in my opinion) there are underpriced players such as Rockliff and Watson. These types of players could take at least 3 spots in your midfield as you won't be getting them any cheaper during the year. There is also debate over who will go number 1 in SC this year, Ablett, Jelwood, or Pendles? Personally I think Pendles, so that's another spot in the midfield gone. Finally, I personally like having a POD each year, which takes up that 5th spot in my midfield.
While I am sure he will go top 2 this year, I really struggle to get him into my side to start the season.
Quote from: GoLions16 on January 23, 2014, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmykidd on January 23, 2014, 05:59:26 PM
How could you not start with GAJ? What's changed? He ain't gonna spend THAT much time forward. No more than he did last year. If you ain't picking the master - good luck to ya.
There's a lot of value in the mids this year, namely Beams, Murphy, and Daisy. Then (in my opinion) there are underpriced players such as Rockliff and Watson. These types of players could take at least 3 spots in your midfield as you won't be getting them any cheaper during the year. There is also debate over who will go number 1 in SC this year, Ablett, Jelwood, or Pendles? Personally I think Pendles, so that's another spot in the midfield gone. Finally, I personally like having a POD each year, which takes up that 5th spot in my midfield.
While I am sure he will go top 2 this year, I really struggle to get him into my side to start the season.
Agree completely. Cotchin rocky and Watson all steals
Quote from: mark621 on January 22, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: _wato on January 21, 2014, 05:26:23 PM
Ablett SIX TIMES running with his lowest average being 127.
precisely my point! you are saying hes gonna be the there for a 7th straight year?? really? if i tossed a coin 100 times it would land on heads 100 times? - that is inferring that i borrowed said coin off gaz to make it possible with the general consensus.
What kind of comparison is that? You toss up a coin and it has theoretically 50/50 chance of landing heads or tails. What in gods name does that have to do with GAJ being able to score a ton 9.5 weeks out of 10 in SC?
By that sort of logic, you should pick Taylor Hunt as your permacaptain... Hasn't played a full season or averaged over 65 in 5 seasons, so he must be due a good one right? Same with Crowley, sheesh, he's up to 7 years and never averaged 70... total breakout contender right?!? 8th year breakout, average 150 by the end of the year, you heard it here first. How do I know? Because he hasn't done that in 7 years, so he must be about to now!
Heck, while I'm at it, I might place a cheeky $10,000 on the dogs to win the flag, last time was the 1954 VFL premiership so 60 years later they're an absolute certainty this year!
Quote from: GoLions16 on January 23, 2014, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmykidd on January 23, 2014, 05:59:26 PM
How could you not start with GAJ? What's changed? He ain't gonna spend THAT much time forward. No more than he did last year. If you ain't picking the master - good luck to ya.
There's a lot of value in the mids this year, namely Beams, Murphy, and Daisy. Then (in my opinion) there are underpriced players such as Rockliff and Watson. These types of players could take at least 3 spots in your midfield as you won't be getting them any cheaper during the year. There is also debate over who will go number 1 in SC this year, Ablett, Jelwood, or Pendles? Personally I think Pendles, so that's another spot in the midfield gone. Finally, I personally like having a POD each year, which takes up that 5th spot in my midfield.
While I am sure he will go top 2 this year, I really struggle to get him into my side to start the season.
I would argue that GAJ is also underpriced GL ;) Was averaging 136 all year until the final rounds where he was hindered by injury.
The big question I have for those not starting him, is at what point to you expect to bring him in?
Quote from: Ricochet on January 24, 2014, 10:26:36 AM
Quote from: GoLions16 on January 23, 2014, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmykidd on January 23, 2014, 05:59:26 PM
How could you not start with GAJ? What's changed? He ain't gonna spend THAT much time forward. No more than he did last year. If you ain't picking the master - good luck to ya.
There's a lot of value in the mids this year, namely Beams, Murphy, and Daisy. Then (in my opinion) there are underpriced players such as Rockliff and Watson. These types of players could take at least 3 spots in your midfield as you won't be getting them any cheaper during the year. There is also debate over who will go number 1 in SC this year, Ablett, Jelwood, or Pendles? Personally I think Pendles, so that's another spot in the midfield gone. Finally, I personally like having a POD each year, which takes up that 5th spot in my midfield.
While I am sure he will go top 2 this year, I really struggle to get him into my side to start the season.
I would argue that GAJ is also underpriced GL ;) Was averaging 136 all year until the final rounds where he was hindered by injury.
The big question I have for those not starting him, is at what point to you expect to bring him in?
That depends. Ablett and Selwood will be the 2 main guys I will want to bring into my midfield. So if Selwood has a bad game early, I'll look to bring him in before Ablett, but if he starts well I'll likely aim to bring Ablett in around the byes.
GL, I think if you and many others went like that you're gonna be missing out on a truckload of points. If Selwood does smash it from Round 1 he's your first priority and by the time you find cash for Ablett 2/3's of the season will be over (ask nearly everyone who didn't start with Ablett in the past few years). Everyone says they'll pick him up by the byes because he should fall in price, but as Rico said he is underpriced and he has a fairly handy draw before the byes where I can see him averaging 135 and hovering around $700k which by all means is too expensive and you'll waste so many trades trying to get him in. It's the classic case of Jack Martin too - Most expensive rookie but most probably will average the most out of all the rookies so you have to spend more cash to get him in instead of trying to find $100k if he guns it to start the season. If he flops you have $100k to use elsewhere after you trade him out.
Leave Ablett out at your peril as I think, he is a must have. Pendlebury will start the season ordinary with his draw and opposition but watch for him after the byes, which is where I'll be targeting him after a price fall.
The thing is though, I think Pendlebury will be the number 1 player in SC this year, and that would mean he would be more expensive than Ablett and therefore even harder to bring in. You think that he will start ordinary, I do not. That's essentially why I'm starting Pendles and not Ablett. If I thought Ablett would start better than I would pick Ablett.
It's really a flip of a coin. More than likely they will both start well.
More than likely they will both average 130.
Pendlebury has a very impressive record against the harder teams.
He seems to play better against the better teams and coast a little against the cellar dwellers so I don't think his start to the year cant even b taken into account.
I think we all know the right thing to do is start both we all just want to find room for our uniques...
Seeing that beams is pretty much a lock there isn't much room left for other midfielders.
ill just be taking both with murph and beams
my mids will look like this:
Gaz, Pendles, Cotch/Rocky/JPK/Watson, Murphy, Beams, Thomas, Martin, Mitchie (Dunstan,Morabito)
Dont think Sellwood would be right for round 1. Even if he is he jut might get a long rest or might even be subbed off late 3rd/early 4th.
But will joel recovers well ill think about him instead of ablett and i could upgrade murphy to a Cotch/Rocky/JPK/Watson.
we'll just have to wait and se how he recovers.
Alright then.
Pendlebury Round 1 has Crowley, Fyfe, Mundy, Barlow etc, Round 2 has JPK, Jack, Mcveigh, Hanners etc to contend with, Round 3 has Geelong so Hunt, Selwood, SJ, Bartel etc, Round 4 has Richmond so Jackson, Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Round 5 has North who he usually does well on so I'll give you that, but he may cop more attention because of this, Round 6 has the Bombers where he might get a Hocking tag plus Watson, Goddard, Heppell, Zaha and then Round 7 has Carlton who have Curnow, Carrazzo, Murphy, Judd etc. In each game these players will steal a lot of points. Mind you there are more than these guns named and he also has his teammates to contend with.
I think he may only average 120 upto the byes whereas Ablett I have averaging 130+. Also In bold are the supposed opposition taggers. Pendlebury is my favourite player lads so it's hard for me not to start him and say this about him.
I'm curious as to what you think he will average? I have him around the 118-123 mark.
Quote from: _wato on January 25, 2014, 07:11:03 PM
Alright then.
Pendlebury Round 1 has Crowley, Fyfe, Mundy, Barlow etc, Round 2 has JPK, Jack, Mcveigh, Hanners etc to contend with, Round 3 has Geelong so Hunt, Selwood, SJ, Bartel etc, Round 4 has Richmond so Jackson, Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Round 5 has North who he usually does well on so I'll give you that, but he may cop more attention because of this, Round 6 has the Bombers where he might get a Hocking tag plus Watson, Goddard, Heppell, Zaha and then Round 7 has Carlton who have Curnow, Carrazzo, Murphy, Judd etc. In each game these players will steal a lot of points. Mind you there are more than these guns named and he also has his teammates to contend with.
I think he may only average 120 upto the byes whereas Ablett I have averaging 130+. Also In bold are the supposed opposition taggers. Pendlebury is my favourite player lads so it's hard for me not to start him and say this about him.
I'm curious as to what you think he will average? I have him around the 118-123 mark.
you can just highlight the good players pendlebury contends with. Every player will always have to contend with great players so how is pendle bury different from gaz, sellwood etc
Their draws are very similar, yes ablett has an easier run but the main taggers will follow him as he is one of few beasts at gold coast. Richmond freo brisbane and hawthorn in the first 4. They are just a little bit weaker than pendles' first 4 but as I said Ablett will be getting most if the tagging attention. The taggers will shift between pendles swan beams sidey etc but the taggers will stay on ablett.
Having said that i dont care as I will be getting both. :)
I think Ablett and pendles will both avg 125-135
Are the Kennedys Gun shy. :P
I agree with a lot of things u say Wato. The pies definedly have a tough start to the year.
I also see ur dilemma, so much value u in the mids that someones got to miss out.
But to drop pendles from ur starting line up becoz of a tough start doesn't work IMO with him. He is different.
against his first 7 opponents he averaged over 129. Above his yearly average.
His lowest score of the season last year was against GWS.
I would b less likely to leave out pendles if he started the year against Melbourne GWS and the Saints.
Quote from: WizzFizz on January 25, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
you can just highlight the good players pendlebury contends with. Every player will always have to contend with great players so how is pendle bury different from gaz, sellwood etc
Their draws are very similar, yes ablett has an easier run but the main taggers will follow him as he is one of few beasts at gold coast. Richmond freo brisbane and hawthorn in the first 4. They are just a little bit weaker than pendles' first 4 but as I said Ablett will be getting most if the tagging attention. The taggers will shift between pendles swan beams sidey etc but the taggers will stay on ablett.
Having said that i dont care as I will be getting both. :)
I think Ablett and pendles will both avg 125-135
You're very right in some aspects mate, hahaha. I just did a quick research and had a look at each of their 7 games before the byes and did a 3 game average of their last 3 games just to get a little more insight into the averages instead of taking it on one game.
Pendlebury averaged 124.35 in 21 games against his opposition in the first seven games. 3 below 100, 12 above 120, top score of 160
Ablett averaged 146.25 in his 21 games against his position in the first seven games. 1 below 100, 19 above 120, top score of 189.
That's alarming to me.. A 20 point difference between the two. Even if Ablett's output goes down 5 points per game he's averaging 140 and even if Pendlebury improves he's still averaging 130 which is well below Ablett.
I've just reconfirmed my choice of Gary Ablett. Good luck!
Quote from: _wato on January 25, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: WizzFizz on January 25, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
you can just highlight the good players pendlebury contends with. Every player will always have to contend with great players so how is pendle bury different from gaz, sellwood etc
Their draws are very similar, yes ablett has an easier run but the main taggers will follow him as he is one of few beasts at gold coast. Richmond freo brisbane and hawthorn in the first 4. They are just a little bit weaker than pendles' first 4 but as I said Ablett will be getting most if the tagging attention. The taggers will shift between pendles swan beams sidey etc but the taggers will stay on ablett.
Having said that i dont care as I will be getting both. :)
I think Ablett and pendles will both avg 125-135
You're very right in some aspects mate, hahaha. I just did a quick research and had a look at each of their 7 games before the byes and did a 3 game average of their last 3 games just to get a little more insight into the averages instead of taking it on one game.
Pendlebury averaged 124.35 in 21 games against his opposition in the first seven games. 3 below 100, 12 above 120, top score of 160
Ablett averaged 146.25 in his 21 games against his position in the first seven games. 1 below 100, 19 above hundred, top score of 189.
That's alarming to me.. A 20 point difference between the two. Even if Ablett's output goes down 5 points per game he's averaging 140 and even if Pendlebury improves he's still averaging 130 which is well below Ablett.
I've just reconfirmed my choice of Gary Ablett. Good luck!
Nice work mate well done. ;)
Quote from: Grazz on January 25, 2014, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: _wato on January 25, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: WizzFizz on January 25, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
you can just highlight the good players pendlebury contends with. Every player will always have to contend with great players so how is pendle bury different from gaz, sellwood etc
Their draws are very similar, yes ablett has an easier run but the main taggers will follow him as he is one of few beasts at gold coast. Richmond freo brisbane and hawthorn in the first 4. They are just a little bit weaker than pendles' first 4 but as I said Ablett will be getting most if the tagging attention. The taggers will shift between pendles swan beams sidey etc but the taggers will stay on ablett.
Having said that i dont care as I will be getting both. :)
I think Ablett and pendles will both avg 125-135
You're very right in some aspects mate, hahaha. I just did a quick research and had a look at each of their 7 games before the byes and did a 3 game average of their last 3 games just to get a little more insight into the averages instead of taking it on one game.
Pendlebury averaged 124.35 in 21 games against his opposition in the first seven games. 3 below 100, 12 above 120, top score of 160
Ablett averaged 146.25 in his 21 games against his position in the first seven games. 1 below 100, 19 above hundred, top score of 189.
That's alarming to me.. A 20 point difference between the two. Even if Ablett's output goes down 5 points per game he's averaging 140 and even if Pendlebury improves he's still averaging 130 which is well below Ablett.
I've just reconfirmed my choice of Gary Ablett. Good luck!
Nice work mate well done. ;)
Yea i just checked too.
Here are his last 3 scores for the teams he vs before the bye.
Richmond 120,133,127 AVG: 126.7
Freo 137,185,157 AVG: 159.6
Brisbane 112,127,150 AVG: 129.7
Hawthorn 149, 189,170 AVG: 166.3
Melbourne 67,152,165 AVG: 128
GWS 160,164,126 AVG: 150
North 153, 188, 139 AVG: 160
Last 3 avg to teams before byes: 146.1
Those scores are absolutely amazing. He'll be a Captain lock every round. Also Crowley and Raines couldn't stop him with avgs against Freo and Brissy 159.7 and 129.7 respectively. The only person to stop him was Jordy Mckenzie in which he scored only 67, his only score under 110 against the teams he vs before the byes. To sum it up, anyone who doesnt have him will suffer badly and will have a massive point of difference, a very terrible one in fact: failing to pick the little magician.
Quote from: WizzFizz on January 26, 2014, 09:36:19 PM
Yea i just checked too.
Here are his last 3 scores for the teams he vs before the bye.
Richmond 120,133,127 AVG: 126.7
Freo 137,185,157 AVG: 159.6
Brisbane 112,127,150 AVG: 129.7
Hawthorn 149, 189,170 AVG: 166.3
Melbourne 67,152,165 AVG: 128
GWS 160,164,126 AVG: 150
North 153, 188, 139 AVG: 160
Last 3 avg to teams before byes: 146.1
Those scores are absolutely amazing. He'll be a Captain lock every round. Also Crowley and Raines couldn't stop him with avgs against Freo and Brissy 159.7 and 129.7 respectively. The only person to stop him was Jordy Mckenzie in which he scored only 67, his only score under 110 against the teams he vs before the byes. To sum it up, anyone who doesnt have him will suffer badly and will have a massive point of difference, a very terrible one in fact: failing to pick the little magician.
My point exactly. Don't start him at your peril. By all means Pendlebury is a good and safe bet but just not upto the standard of Ablett YET. His time will come. Look for him after the byes in my opinion.
Quote from: WizzFizz on January 26, 2014, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: Grazz on January 25, 2014, 08:53:43 PM
Quote from: _wato on January 25, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: WizzFizz on January 25, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
you can just highlight the good players pendlebury contends with. Every player will always have to contend with great players so how is pendle bury different from gaz, sellwood etc
Their draws are very similar, yes ablett has an easier run but the main taggers will follow him as he is one of few beasts at gold coast. Richmond freo brisbane and hawthorn in the first 4. They are just a little bit weaker than pendles' first 4 but as I said Ablett will be getting most if the tagging attention. The taggers will shift between pendles swan beams sidey etc but the taggers will stay on ablett.
Having said that i dont care as I will be getting both. :)
I think Ablett and pendles will both avg 125-135
You're very right in some aspects mate, hahaha. I just did a quick research and had a look at each of their 7 games before the byes and did a 3 game average of their last 3 games just to get a little more insight into the averages instead of taking it on one game.
Pendlebury averaged 124.35 in 21 games against his opposition in the first seven games. 3 below 100, 12 above 120, top score of 160
Ablett averaged 146.25 in his 21 games against his position in the first seven games. 1 below 100, 19 above hundred, top score of 189.
That's alarming to me.. A 20 point difference between the two. Even if Ablett's output goes down 5 points per game he's averaging 140 and even if Pendlebury improves he's still averaging 130 which is well below Ablett.
I've just reconfirmed my choice of Gary Ablett. Good luck!
Nice work mate well done. ;)
Yea i just checked too.
Here are his last 3 scores for the teams he vs before the bye.
Richmond 120,133,127 AVG: 126.7
Freo 137,185,157 AVG: 159.6
Brisbane 112,127,150 AVG: 129.7
Hawthorn 149, 189,170 AVG: 166.3
Melbourne 67,152,165 AVG: 128
GWS 160,164,126 AVG: 150
North 153, 188, 139 AVG: 160
Last 3 avg to teams before byes: 146.1
Those scores are absolutely amazing. He'll be a Captain lock every round. Also Crowley and Raines couldn't stop him with avgs against Freo and Brissy 159.7 and 129.7 respectively. The only person to stop him was Jordy Mckenzie in which he scored only 67, his only score under 110 against the teams he vs before the byes. To sum it up, anyone who doesnt have him will suffer badly and will have a massive point of difference, a very terrible one in fact: failing to pick the little magician.
This. He is underpriced and fixture isnt that bad
Need your help guys about whether it is worth getting Gaz into my team or not, illl give you some options.
1. Gaz/Hanley
compared too
Selwood/McVeigh
2. Gaz/Michie
compared too
Selwood/Martin
Do you think in either scenario the Gaz option is stronger? Not so sure myself
Quote from: roti on January 27, 2014, 06:00:58 PM
Need your help guys about whether it is worth getting Gaz into my team or not, illl give you some options.
1. Gaz/Hanley
compared too
Selwood/McVeigh
2. Gaz/Michie
compared too
Selwood/Martin
Do you think in either scenario the Gaz option is stronger? Not so sure myself
Option 1 I would go with GAZ and Hanley. I think gary is a must .
Quote from: Jackross10 on January 27, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
Quote from: roti on January 27, 2014, 06:00:58 PM
Need your help guys about whether it is worth getting Gaz into my team or not, illl give you some options.
1. Gaz/Hanley
compared too
Selwood/McVeigh
2. Gaz/Michie
compared too
Selwood/Martin
Do you think in either scenario the Gaz option is stronger? Not so sure myself
Option 1 I would go with GAZ and Hanley. I think gary is a must .
Sellwood might not even be right for round 1 the news says. Even so gary is a must.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 21, 2014, 04:45:02 PM
Just a quick look at Gaz's scores against his opponents over the last two seasons up until his bye in round 8
Richmond: 133, 120
Freo: DNP, 137
Bris: 129, 150, 112
Hawks: 189, 149
Melb: 165, 152, 67
GWS: 125, 126, 160, 164
NM: 188, 153
That is a 142.29 average, I withdraw my previous statement, even if he has a 10 ppg drop off (which is what I am expecting) through that period he will still average close to that 130 against those teams
Quote from: greenmoon on January 21, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
I really can't see enough cash being made to be able to do that so early.
So wasting a couple of sideways trades to get him is not wise.
Pendles has Crowley first up , so how will he go?
Happy to have Gazza as a pod though.
The difference with Pendles and Gaz is that Gaz is the most likely to be tagged, Freo could send Crowley to 3 different guys although Pendles is the most likely to receive the tag. There is also the age difference
Just for those that didn't see it earlier
Until the little master lets me down he's first picked every year. Leave him out at your peril. ;)
I was going to leave Ablett out until the Selwood foot injury came up which made be rethink Selwood's selection which then made me bring in GAJ. Very glad i ended up getting the little master, after recent research i realized you just cant go without him. So i'm actually happy Selwood got injured haha!
I caved. Midfield is now Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Beams, Daisy. Those stats on how well he averages against his opponents before the byes really swayed me to bring him in
Quote from: GoLions16 on January 30, 2014, 11:04:39 PM
I caved. Midfield is now Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Beams, Daisy. Those stats on how well he averages against his opponents before the byes really swayed me to bring him in
Haha I caved too. Only because I realised he's 29. For some reason I had him at 31-32. Heck, even at 50 he'd probably be a decent SC player...
Quote from: GoLions16 on January 30, 2014, 11:04:39 PM
I caved. Midfield is now Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Beams, Daisy. Those stats on how well he averages against his opponents before the byes really swayed me to bring him in
Hey! Quit stealin' my midfield! Haha great minds think alike I guess...
Quote from: GCSkiwi on January 31, 2014, 07:00:48 AM
Quote from: GoLions16 on January 30, 2014, 11:04:39 PM
I caved. Midfield is now Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Beams, Daisy. Those stats on how well he averages against his opponents before the byes really swayed me to bring him in
Hey! Quit stealin' my midfield! Haha great minds think alike I guess...
Haha, I think most people will have 4 of those guys :P
The only reason to leave out Gaz is the plethora of under-priced midfielders available this season - Beams, Cotchin, Watson, Murphy, Rocky to name a few.
But, he would be the #1 upgrade target if you did. And, you'd probably also want to start with Pendles to give yourself a perma-captain.
Having said that I doubt I'll be game enough to not start with him. He's in my team at the moment.
It's tough because starring with Gaz and Pendles takes up a lot of your budget. But, if I was to start with one over the other it would be Ablett.
Quote from: GoLions16 on January 31, 2014, 12:30:21 PM
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I caved. Midfield is now Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Beams, Daisy. Those stats on how well he averages against his opponents before the byes really swayed me to bring him in
Hey! Quit stealin' my midfield! Haha great minds think alike I guess...
Haha, I think most people will have 4 of those guys :P
Haha that's pretty much everyone's midfield, except some have Murphy instead of a Rocky for value.
I just did an interview with the paper for perthnow supercoach comp and they asked me my 5 tips for this season after winning it last year
number 1 tip for this year ... lock in gary ablett jnr
enough said
Yes, Gaz is eventually going to slow down. Every year people say that "this is going to be the year". But come on.. He had the highest average and won the brownlow! Atleast wait until he shows some sign of slowing down before calling him out. I'd say that leaving him out of your team is a greater risk :o
You bet. Esp. If captain loophole is being locked out this yr.
Quote from: PICCOLLO on January 31, 2014, 09:12:18 PM
You bet. Esp. If captain loophole is being locked out this yr.
What? Captain loophole isn't being locked out this year. Well I haven't heard anything.
Just seems crazy not to. Team doesn't look right without him in there.
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Quote from: PICCOLLO on January 31, 2014, 09:12:18 PM
You bet. Esp. If captain loophole is being locked out this yr.
What? Captain loophole isn't being locked out this year. Well I haven't heard anything.
If you hear something let me know??
Always first pick,
MUST HAVE!