Everyone is locking in Dayne Beams, he is a bargain. However there is doubt over Marc Murphy. I currently have both in my side but there is that doubt about Murph's ability to handle the tag. He is a superstar player but will be shut down to often. Ended last year in great style, the addition of Dale Thomas and an improvement all round from the Blues. Is he also a lock, will he back to his brilliant 110+ form. Very interested in some detailed thoughts. Cheers.
I'm heavily considering him as well, he mentioned that he thought he was 3 months ahead of where he was this time last year so that encourages me, I think it will come down to how the team I want fits in with the budget, at the moment I've got Griffen just ahead of him but going to murph would free up some handy cash
Quote from: specky92 on December 22, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
I'm heavily considering him as well, he mentioned that he thought he was 3 months ahead of where he was this time last year so that encourages me, I think it will come down to how the team I want fits in with the budget, at the moment I've got Griffen just ahead of him but going to murph would free up some handy cash
Yeh that is very good to hear. Exactly right, I did need to free up some cash and thought he was too good to ignore. Looking further into his stats, taking away his sub affected match, he averaged a more modest 96. While in the 20 full matches he only dropped under 90 five times. It wasn't the fact he couldn't score just lacked those 120+ games. With a quality pre season (which seems to be on track) he'll be locked.
If he has his gut running back, he should improve to around 110.
Daisy should help but I think a fit Carrots will make a bigger difference.
What about kieran jack?
I see no one has picked in there draft sidea for 2014
Quote from: sammy123 on December 22, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
What about kieran jack?
I see no one has picked in there draft sidea for 2014
I've seen a few with him. Personally I will not be starting him as there are just too many Swans players that will score well. May bring him in as one of my last upgrades if he shows that he can score extremely well throughout the entire season next year though.
Regarding Murphy, I see him averaging 110 at the very very best, whereas I struggle seeing Beams going under that. And seeing as their prices are basically identical, Beams is a lock for me. Think Murphy will average somewhere between 105-110, probably closer to 105. If rookie prices weren't so high, I may have been able to find a starting spot for him, but unfortunately can't.
For under 500k locked saw some training footage last week looks very solid and strong not unlike ablett in shape think he will bounce back in a big way :)
Quote from: shaker on December 22, 2013, 04:57:55 PM
For under 500k locked saw some training footage last week looks very solid and strong not unlike ablett in shape think he will bounce back in a big way :)
If someone can convince me he'll deal with the heavy tag better he's in. Until then..
Quote from: GoLions16 on December 22, 2013, 04:48:54 PM
Quote from: sammy123 on December 22, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
What about kieran jack?
I see no one has picked in there draft sidea for 2014
I've seen a few with him. Personally I will not be starting him as there are just too many Swans players that will score well. May bring him in as one of my last upgrades if he shows that he can score extremely well throughout the entire season next year though.
Regarding Murphy, I see him averaging 110 at the very very best, whereas I struggle seeing Beams going under that. And seeing as their prices are basically identical, Beams is a lock for me. Think Murphy will average somewhere between 105-110, probably closer to 105. If rookie prices weren't so high, I may have been able to find a starting spot for him, but unfortunately can't.
Agreed here, best case scenario for murphy im thinking is scraping into the top 10 mids. Anything less than that and you will need to waste a trade on him. I dont want to be stuck with a guy like mundy averaging around 105. I just dont like having these almost super premos and murphy will be one of these guys.
I think its better downgrading a premo to a guy like mitch clark giving you the extra cash to turn 2-3 of these almost premos into super guns.
Beams could easily be a top 8 mid and at the very best top 4. Just dont see that from murphy. Other guys have overtaken him and i think people have worked out how to slow him down.
with guys like Ablett Pendles Beams Rocky in my squad and plans to pick up Watson, Swan, Griffin etc.. i cant see myslef going gee i wish I had murphy in my squad. Can definately see me saying dam i have murphy in my team, wish i had swan.
Dont get me started lol. Marc will go 110+ at a minimum.
Quote from: shaker on December 22, 2013, 04:57:55 PM
For under 500k locked saw some training footage last week looks very solid and strong not unlike ablett in shape think he will bounce back in a big way :)
I think he is much lighter than Ablett as well as a couple of centimeters shorter. Ablett's core strength would be much greater. No comparison.
Quote from: Bones Bombers on December 22, 2013, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: shaker on December 22, 2013, 04:57:55 PM
For under 500k locked saw some training footage last week looks very solid and strong not unlike ablett in shape think he will bounce back in a big way :)
I think he is much lighter than Ablett as well as a couple of centimeters shorter. Ablett's core strength would be much greater. No comparison.
Did not mean he had turned into a Ablett clone just that he looks to be stronger in his thighs and hips bulked up a bit either way he looked in very good nic
Murphy is a gun but you just couldn't pick him coming off the season he had. I'm sure injury played a part but Malthouse seemed happy to move him to the forward line if he was being heavily tagged which just didn't work. If he has a big first half of the year I'll be happy to pay a higher price to get him in. Too risky to start though
Cheers for the input guys. Very interesting and differing views. At this stage he is in my side along with Beams. I think at his very best he is a keeper, but the tag is the one issue. Very interesting prospect.
2009: 113
2010: 112
2011: 118
2012: 113
2013: 92.
Quite clearly, 2013 is an outlier.
Full pre season, fit body, confidence back.
Should be 110 minimum really - tag or no tag.
Massive value. Plus a good bye round, not sure how you could pass this up.
The problem and challenge is finding the underpriced and premiums that can deal with a tag. Murphy couldn't before and can't go forward like GAJ, Pendles, Swan etc. Neither can Jack - if you look at his games where he was tagged, output decreased dramatically. Coaches and fantasy coaches both see and use this info. Round 1 - who is Crowley, Curnow, 2-3 Bulldogs going to tag?
Saying Murphy simply "can't" handle the tag is a little rough. He struggles with it. And yeh he isn't the best midfielder in the comp like an Ablett or Pendlebury. But I'm backing him in next year, he's in my side now after being back and fourth. I think he's a gut runner and class player who will learn to deal with it much better.
I'm finding it hard to leave him out, it's either him Rocky or Griffen for me and I don't like the look of my other lines with the latter two. Should at least get 100-105 and make a bit of cash
Quote from: specky92 on December 29, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
I'm finding it hard to leave him out, it's either him Rocky or Griffen for me and I don't like the look of my other lines with the latter two. Should at least get 100-105 and make a bit of cash
But is 100 worth it? I had Fyfe this season for similar price who averaged about 105. Wasn't quite happy with it really. Same with Mundy for those who had him. I need 110 + or get someone else. I blame Fyfe's scores on the heavy tag and resulting poor DE. Same goes for Murphy.
Quote from: ubeaut on December 29, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
Quote from: specky92 on December 29, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
I'm finding it hard to leave him out, it's either him Rocky or Griffen for me and I don't like the look of my other lines with the latter two. Should at least get 100-105 and make a bit of cash
But is 100 worth it? I had Fyfe this season for similar price who averaged about 105. Wasn't quite happy with it really. Same with Mundy for those who had him. I need 110 + or get someone else. I blame Fyfe's scores on the heavy tag and resulting poor DE. Same goes for Murphy.
I can't see him going under 105 and if he does i doubt it will be by much, Fyfe had only gone 105+ once before last year whereas Murph had 4 consecutive seasons above 110
Quote from: specky92 on January 05, 2014, 04:03:39 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on December 29, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
Quote from: specky92 on December 29, 2013, 12:09:37 AM
I'm finding it hard to leave him out, it's either him Rocky or Griffen for me and I don't like the look of my other lines with the latter two. Should at least get 100-105 and make a bit of cash
But is 100 worth it? I had Fyfe this season for similar price who averaged about 105. Wasn't quite happy with it really. Same with Mundy for those who had him. I need 110 + or get someone else. I blame Fyfe's scores on the heavy tag and resulting poor DE. Same goes for Murphy.
I can't see him going under 105 and if he does i doubt it will be by much, Fyfe had only gone 105+ once before last year whereas Murph had 4 consecutive seasons above 110
surely murph goes 105? i have fyfe at the moment
Given his scoring history I would have thought he'd be a very very strong chance to average 110+
Beams has averaged above 110 only once before plus he seems to miss a few games through injury. I've currently got both but I think it's a close call if you're only picking one. Murphy for me.
beams clearly for me have had both in my team at same time at one point tho
Quote from: eaglesman on January 05, 2014, 08:18:18 PM
beams clearly for me have had both in my team at same time at one point tho
I've got both as well, beams isn't as risky as murph, beams could easily get 116 again and I can't see him going under 110