Ok, so Birch has just got a contract extension.
I was thinking they would have probably offered him a fair bit - it got me thinking - is he in the top 5 MVP at the reigning premier?
Who do you think is the top 5 MVPlayers now that Franks has left
Its really tough as they are such a team based performance side - there is no standout gun - everyone pulls together as a team and does their bit
What also makes it hard is that players are coached to do the 1%ers, fill holes, block, sacrifice games, sheppherds etc etc. This stuff is not seen by most fans - especially outsiders who bag players such as Sizzle Rioli for not doing anything
I watched Sizzle closely in 2013 because my mates were bagging him. The guy was doing massive amounts of pressure / tackles / chasedowns / intercepts - the stuff that no one takes notice of - acts that usually resulted in a turnover a few seconds later - but the commentators would have not even mentioned his name as they are "ball watching". Burgoyne is another who is very big in this role.
There are so many players that bring a lot to the game for the team
So who is top 5 MVP at Hawthorn post Franks?
IMO....
1) Hodge
2) Mitchell
3) Ruffnuts
4) Birchall
5) Hale
Yes I will get flamed..but thats how I see it...Im interested for other Hawks fans input
Appologies to Sizzle, Lake, Burgoyne & Gibson...toss a coin between them for #6
Quote from: bowyanger on December 06, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Appologies to Sizzle, Lake, Burgoyne & Gibson...toss a coin between them for #6
what type of flowered up 4 sided coin do you use... :o
Is your top 5 in order? If so I would seriously have Roughy number 1.
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 06, 2013, 07:57:31 PM
Is your top 5 in order? If so I would seriously have Roughy number 1.
me too tbh. I mean, it depends... if by post franklin, you mean this year, then you can make an argument for your rankings, even if personally I think roughy is probably your most key player. If however you include past this year, I'd say rougheads age compared to mitchell/ hodge puts him clearly ahead.
Quote from: Ziplock on December 06, 2013, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 06, 2013, 07:57:31 PM
Is your top 5 in order? If so I would seriously have Roughy number 1.
me too tbh. I mean, it depends... if by post franklin, you mean this year, then you can make an argument for your rankings, even if personally I think roughy is probably your most key player. If however you include past this year, I'd say rougheads age compared to mitchell/ hodge puts him clearly ahead.
Post Franklin in this discussion = right now.
Who should be getting paid the top 5 most $$ today
Quote from: Ziplock on December 06, 2013, 07:54:56 PM
Quote from: bowyanger on December 06, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Appologies to Sizzle, Lake, Burgoyne & Gibson...toss a coin between them for #6
what type of flowered up 4 sided coin do you use... :o
Yeah , yeah,
sorry if I confused you...but thanks for pointing that out
really constructive to the discussion
but it is the Ziplock...thats his job...and he does it well
:P
hey....WTF happened to all my boo's?
I worked hard to earn them ones?
This is worse than WoW....do we have to spend hours racking them up again next season?
Probs agree with Ruffnuts number 1 now - I tried to imagine the Hawks without Franklin or Roughead in a match....jesus....not good...Hawks have been very lucky to have Franklin or Roughead playing on game day throughout Franklins time at Hawthorn
Roughy is the most important player in the AFL to their team structure.
He should be payed the most
1. roughy, can play any position at a high level, will be the main go to man inside 50 for the nex 5 years.
2. Mitchell, still hawthorns best mid and now a great creator off half back to
3. Gibson, chops the other defenders out so much, a lot of hawthorns defense would get ministered if not for him coming 3rd man up.
4. Hodge, leads the way. Heart and soul of the club and can play any role.
5. Sewell, so under rated. Does all of the dirty work and is at the bottom of every pack feeding it out to everyone else
MVP
Roughy
Mitchell
Hodge
Birch
Lake/Gibbo
Then Burgers, Mcevoy, Smith, Cyril
Franklin wasn't top 5 this year anyway.
Mitchell
Roughead
Gibson
Hodge
Gunston
Surely Roughy is the most valuable.
Quote from: vinny on December 07, 2013, 01:52:53 AM
Surely Roughy is the most valuable.
Technically Gibbo is. (http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2013-10-05/gibson-wins-best-and-fairest)
Quote from: quinny88 on December 07, 2013, 12:02:12 AM
1. roughy, can play any position at a high level, will be the main go to man inside 50 for the nex 5 years.
2. Mitchell, still hawthorns best mid and now a great creator off half back to
3. Gibson, chops the other defenders out so much, a lot of hawthorns defense would get ministered if not for him coming 3rd man up.
4. Hodge, leads the way. Heart and soul of the club and can play any role.
5. Sewell, so under rated. Does all of the dirty work and is at the bottom of every pack feeding it out to everyone else
Yeah agree with Sewell, very underated and often unfairly maligned
No love for Hale? When the game is in the balance he often pops up with a goal or 2. A very consistant team member
Quote from: bowyanger on December 07, 2013, 05:20:18 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 07, 2013, 12:02:12 AM
1. roughy, can play any position at a high level, will be the main go to man inside 50 for the nex 5 years.
2. Mitchell, still hawthorns best mid and now a great creator off half back to
3. Gibson, chops the other defenders out so much, a lot of hawthorns defense would get ministered if not for him coming 3rd man up.
4. Hodge, leads the way. Heart and soul of the club and can play any role.
5. Sewell, so under rated. Does all of the dirty work and is at the bottom of every pack feeding it out to everyone else
Yeah agree with Sewell, very underated and often unfairly maligned
No love for Hale? When the game is in the balance he often pops up with a goal or 2. A very consistant team member
Top 10 this year but not with recruitment of big boy
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on December 07, 2013, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: bowyanger on December 07, 2013, 05:20:18 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 07, 2013, 12:02:12 AM
1. roughy, can play any position at a high level, will be the main go to man inside 50 for the nex 5 years.
2. Mitchell, still hawthorns best mid and now a great creator off half back to
3. Gibson, chops the other defenders out so much, a lot of hawthorns defense would get ministered if not for him coming 3rd man up.
4. Hodge, leads the way. Heart and soul of the club and can play any role.
5. Sewell, so under rated. Does all of the dirty work and is at the bottom of every pack feeding it out to everyone else
Yeah agree with Sewell, very underated and often unfairly maligned
No love for Hale? When the game is in the balance he often pops up with a goal or 2. A very consistant team member
Top 10 this year but not with recruitment of big boy
This ^
I have never really known what to make of hale though. He's one of those guys that's never really been a Ruckman but never really been a forward either. Plays both well but I don't think the team would struggle without him.
1: Roughead
2: Mitchell
3: Hodge
4: Lake - desperately needed to quell the gorillas that have haunted us with Schoenmakers in that role
5: McEvoy
1. Roughead
2. Gibson
3. Hodge
4. Mitchell
5. One of the left footed architects from defence, suckling/birch
Really struggle after that. I am a huge fan of the likes of Stratton and Bruest who do all the one percenters that aren't fully appreciated by most. A think a significant contributing factor to our success has been the even efforts from the whole team, with few standouts but everyone doing their job well.
I would've thought something like;
1 - Roughy
2 - Gibson
3 - Hodgey
4 - Mitchell
5 - Lake
1 - Roughy
2 - Gibson
3 - Hodgey
4 - Mitchell
Hard to argue with these guys as the Top 4. McEvoy probably moves into that Top 5 now as our structure would change significantly without him playing.
One player who I think was massively underrated for his importance to the team this year was Guerra. Had very few goals kicked on him by small forwards and his precise skills from defence enabled us to play the game plan that we do. Suckling coming back this year will offset his retirement although Suckling is more prone to bloopers than Guerra was.
Suckling is shower one on one so he would play a bit higher up the ground and Duryea to take Guerras spot hopefully
No order cause this is hard
Roughy
Hodge
Gibbo
Lake
Hale (with mcevoy prob not so instead il say, Mitchell
I'm more in favour of non-midfielders in this sort of list. Structurally they are more easily replaceable.
In order:
Roughead - Coleman, focus of the best attack in the country, sets up Gunston/Hale/McEvoy in their roles
Lake - underrated even after winning Norm, he is why we won in 2013, lack of a bloke like him is why we lost in 2012
Hodge - more for onfield leadership than individual efforts these days
Rioli - everything he does is quality, watched the North R5 game again today, he was electric
Smith - without him we look slow
Quote from: m0nty on January 10, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
I'm more in favour of non-midfielders in this sort of list. Structurally they are more easily replaceable.
In order:
Roughead - Coleman, focus of the best attack in the country, sets up Gunston/Hale/McEvoy in their roles
Lake - underrated even after winning Norm, he is why we won in 2013, lack of a bloke like him is why we lost in 2012
Hodge - more for onfield leadership than individual efforts these days
Rioli - everything he does is quality, watched the North R5 game again today, he was electric
Smith - without him we look slow
Yeah good call about smith mont, he and hill have the vital foot speed that gives another dimension to our otherwise largely one paced midfield. I thought smith had a great year and I reckon he will go up another notch this year once he has more practice dealing with taggers.
Quote from: henry on January 12, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: m0nty on January 10, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
I'm more in favour of non-midfielders in this sort of list. Structurally they are more easily replaceable.
In order:
Roughead - Coleman, focus of the best attack in the country, sets up Gunston/Hale/McEvoy in their roles
Lake - underrated even after winning Norm, he is why we won in 2013, lack of a bloke like him is why we lost in 2012
Hodge - more for onfield leadership than individual efforts these days
Rioli - everything he does is quality, watched the North R5 game again today, he was electric
Smith - without him we look slow
Yeah good call about smith mont, he and hill have the vital foot speed that gives another dimension to our otherwise largely one paced midfield. I thought smith had a great year and I reckon he will go up another notch this year once he has more practice dealing with taggers.
Been lots of emphasis on pace the last few drafts, Smith, Hill, Anderson, Hartung and Garlett. Soon we will be the quickest in the afl :P
Sicily isn't a slow coach either, came fourth in the 20m sprint at the Combine. :)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 12, 2014, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: henry on January 12, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: m0nty on January 10, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
I'm more in favour of non-midfielders in this sort of list. Structurally they are more easily replaceable.
In order:
Roughead - Coleman, focus of the best attack in the country, sets up Gunston/Hale/McEvoy in their roles
Lake - underrated even after winning Norm, he is why we won in 2013, lack of a bloke like him is why we lost in 2012
Hodge - more for onfield leadership than individual efforts these days
Rioli - everything he does is quality, watched the North R5 game again today, he was electric
Smith - without him we look slow
Yeah good call about smith mont, he and hill have the vital foot speed that gives another dimension to our otherwise largely one paced midfield. I thought smith had a great year and I reckon he will go up another notch this year once he has more practice dealing with taggers.
Been lots of emphasis on pace the last few drafts, Smith, Hill, Anderson, Hartung and Garlett. Soon we will be the quickest in the afl :P
Yep, but smith an hill were the only 2 regulars of that bunch last year, the rest of our starting midfield is pretty slow. And one paced. Hopefully well get a look at one or two of these kids this year, especially garlett
Smithy is a gun
Wish I could kick the pig skin that good