Poll
Question:
Which defenders will you consider?
Option 1: Bock
votes: 12
Option 2: Darley
votes: 3
Option 3: Docherty
votes: 8
Option 4: Suckling
votes: 38
Option 5: Waters
votes: 26
Option 6: None
votes: 2
There will be plenty of discounted and underpriced players for SuperCoach 2014, and I will assess each position for the best value. Here, the best bargain defenders have been profiled so you know who to look out for over the preseason.
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Nathan Bock
2014 Predicted Price: $180-200k
2013 Average: 36
2013 Games: 2
Why is he cheap? Bock featured in the cheap as chips segment last year and after another injury interrupted year, he looms to be a bargain, again next year. Bock is very cheap as he only played two games, meaning he will be discounted and because he only averaged 36 from those two games, he will priced around the $200k region, making him a steal if he can stay on the park.
2014 Prediction - Bock has had his injury troubles over the past two years, but before this he was a premium SuperCoach defender, averaging 93 points back in 2011. Even though I don't expect him to get back to that level, he's very cheap and if he's fit come round one, you could pick him over a rookie defender, as Bock should score more than most rookies next year and be a good cash cow.
Sam Darley
2014 Predicted Price: $270-$280k
2013 Average: 4
2013 Games: 65
Why is he cheap? Darley is cheap because he only played four games in 2013. He wasn't awesome in those four games as well, only averaging 65 points, however, a move to the Western Bulldogs over the trade period has made him fantasy relevant.
2014 Prediction - Darley is not expensive and you would expect him to build on his 2013 average at his new club. A fresh start for Darley could be good and I would watch his preseason form, before making a decision on whether to start him or not.
Sam Docherty
2014 Predicted Price: $270-280k
2013 Average: 52
2013 Games: 13
Why is he cheap? Docherty is priced at a 52 average, however this as a result of him being used as the sun on numerous occasions throughout the year. But when you take out these sub-affected games out he averages 74 points, which is a decent return for a youngster.
2014 Prediction - Docherty is another at a new club in 2014. But I'm not certain he has as a spot in the Blue's best 22. He is underpriced though and if he is named in round one, you would have to at least consider him.
Matthew Suckling
2014 Predicted Price: $280-300k
2013 Average: Not available
2013 Games: 0
Why is he cheap? Suckling suffered a horrific knee injury in a NAB Cup game, which ruled him out for the whole 2014 season. Because he didn't play a game, Suckling should get a big discount, making him one to consider down back.
2014 Prediction - He will be one of the most popular picked defenders next year if he's priced at around $300k. He has averaged 82 and 90 points, respectively in his last two years. It wouldn't be beyond him to return to his old form, but it may take him a while to get going. Nonetheless, he should still be picked in your team, as he is close to a premium defender and at that price, he is too cheap to ignore.
Beau Waters
2014 Predicted Price: $350-360k
2013 Average: 82
2013 Games: 7
Why is he cheap? Waters is cheap as he only played seven games in 2013, so he will get a discount in 2014.
2014 Prediction - Durability has been Waters' issue in the past, as his body has continually broken down on him. But when Waters is on the park, he is great scorer, averaging 100 points in 2012. He is underpriced and if you think his body can hold up, he is well worth the punt at the price.
http://www.supercoachhq.com/16/post/2013/11/cheap-as-chips-defenders.html
Wasn't interested in Bock last year but with another year to heal and another price drop will b firmly on the watchlist.
Suckling very relevant aswell.
Ud wanna have a fair set to consider the other lads but with not too many standout defenders at the moment, and people hoping to skimp on there defence line again, some of these boys may come into consideration.
Enjoying the tight arse write ups Jroo keep em coming.
Good to see a bit of banter starting up on the forum.
God I miss the footy. Watching fox footy re runs on a Saturday night. What has my life come too...
Quote from: Dayze on November 16, 2013, 09:41:38 PM
Wasn't interested in Bock last year but with another year to heal and another price drop will b firmly on the watchlist.
Suckling very relevant aswell.
Ud wanna have a fair set to consider the other lads but with not too many standout defenders at the moment, and people hoping to skimp on there defence line again, some of these boys may come into consideration.
Enjoying the tight arse write ups Jroo keep em coming.
Good to see a bit of banter starting up on the forum.
God I miss the footy. Watching fox footy re runs on a Saturday night. What has my life come too...
Haha thanks mate, forwards and mids will be done in the next few days.
Yeah same cant wait for footy season, I've watched a bit of FoxFooty in the last few days too!
Suckling a lock for me unless something happens in the pre-season, really looking forward to the forward version of this, plenty of good options up front this year, keep it up jroo, :)
Quote from: specky92 on November 16, 2013, 09:47:52 PM
Suckling a lock for me unless something happens in the pre-season, really looking forward to the forward version of this, plenty of good options up front this year, keep it up jroo, :)
Yeah Suckling close to locked in for me.
Thanks Speck, you've been great as well so far this pre season.
You'd be pretty dumb to start with Bock.
Definitely considering both Suckling and Waters (yes i know big risk), but for that price when they have proven good scores and averages.
Quote from: EZA100 on November 17, 2013, 09:50:37 AM
Definitely considering both Suckling and Waters (yes i know big risk), but for that price when they have proven good scores and averages.
Me too, Suckling is good and so is Waters as long as his body holds up.
Why would it b dumb to consider starting with Bock?
Averaged 99, 83 and 93 in the three seasons before his broken leg.
Could start the season at 180k? Has far better job security than any other rookie priced defender.
Has had nearly two years to recover from his injury?
If bock were to get through a few NAB cup games then it would b dumb to not consider him.
Goodstuff JR. onya mate.
Quote from: Grazz on November 17, 2013, 05:43:13 PM
Goodstuff JR. onya mate.
Thanks mate, Re: Cheap as Chips: Midfielders will hopefully be up tonight 8)
Quote from: JROO8 on November 17, 2013, 05:51:36 PM
Quote from: Grazz on November 17, 2013, 05:43:13 PM
Goodstuff JR. onya mate.
Thanks mate, Re: Cheap as Chips: Midfielders will hopefully be up tonight 8)
Enjoying them, and good info. ;)
Quote from: Dayze on November 17, 2013, 05:27:06 PM
Why would it b dumb to consider starting with Bock?
Averaged 99, 83 and 93 in the three seasons before his broken leg.
Could start the season at 180k? Has far better job security than any other rookie priced defender.
Has had nearly two years to recover from his injury?
If bock were to get through a few NAB cup games then it would b dumb to not consider him.
Exactly! Even if he doesn't get back to the 90 average that he has before, somewhere around 75-80 would do for his price. Plus he has potential F/B DPP which could be handy when trading him out. What's there to lose?
Considering all three of Suckling, Waters and Bock... a fair bit of risk between them lol
I'm not touching Waters with a ten foot poll!
You'll think you're missing out when he's pumping hundreds for a few weeks, then he'll miss the next three leaving thousands with doughnuts and it won't look so bad :P
Haha i would have agreed with you in the past My Chumps but Eagles have publicly stated they will be focusing resources on their medical department to ensure best 22 players stay on the park all year. Obviously can't predict injuries but this focus by the club should help injury prone players like Waters.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2013, 03:46:23 PM
Haha i would have agreed with you in the past My Chumps but Eagles have publicly stated they will be focusing resources on their medical department to ensure best 22 players stay on the park all year. Obviously can't predict injuries but this focus by the club should help injury prone players like Waters.
Why wernt they doing that already?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2013, 03:46:23 PM
Haha i would have agreed with you in the past My Chumps but Eagles have publicly stated they will be focusing resources on their medical department to ensure best 22 players stay on the park all year. Obviously can't predict injuries but this focus by the club should help injury prone players like Waters.
Why wernt they doing that already?
Haha, that is a good question KB.
I don't think a bit of extra attention in the medical department will help Waters; he's built like a tissue but is one of the most courageous players ever to play the game, which isn't necessarily a good combination.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2013, 03:46:23 PM
Haha i would have agreed with you in the past My Chumps but Eagles have publicly stated they will be focusing resources on their medical department to ensure best 22 players stay on the park all year. Obviously can't predict injuries but this focus by the club should help injury prone players like Waters.
Why wernt they doing that already?
Well obviously they recognised they weren't doing enough and it has been an issue over the past couple of years... And are devoting more towards that section of their footy department now. As in more employees, more research, more funding, etc.
Stuff like that is assessed on a yearly basis and has to go through the board to be approved. It takes time.
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2013, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2013, 03:46:23 PM
Haha i would have agreed with you in the past My Chumps but Eagles have publicly stated they will be focusing resources on their medical department to ensure best 22 players stay on the park all year. Obviously can't predict injuries but this focus by the club should help injury prone players like Waters.
Why wernt they doing that already?
Well obviously they recognised they weren't doing enough and it has been an issue over the past couple of years... And are devoting more towards that section of their footy department now. As in more employees, more research, more funding, etc.
Stuff like that is assessed on a yearly basis and has to go through the board to be approved. It takes time.
I think much of the reason would be around Nic Nat. They need him fit to be any good, and he's always flowering injured. I think people are starting to have concerns as to whether or not he's ever going to be able to play the way he does without getting injured.
Quote from: My Chumps on November 19, 2013, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2013, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on November 19, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 19, 2013, 03:46:23 PM
Haha i would have agreed with you in the past My Chumps but Eagles have publicly stated they will be focusing resources on their medical department to ensure best 22 players stay on the park all year. Obviously can't predict injuries but this focus by the club should help injury prone players like Waters.
Why wernt they doing that already?
Well obviously they recognised they weren't doing enough and it has been an issue over the past couple of years... And are devoting more towards that section of their footy department now. As in more employees, more research, more funding, etc.
Stuff like that is assessed on a yearly basis and has to go through the board to be approved. It takes time.
I think much of the reason would be around Nic Nat. They need him fit to be any good, and he's always flowering injured. I think people are starting to have concerns as to whether or not he's ever going to be able to play the way he does without getting injured.
Yeh NicNat, Lecras, Waters, Shuey, etc. NicNat has only really had only injury plague year though. Has played 20 of more games in every season prior to this year (excluding his debut year).
Quote from: Dayze on November 17, 2013, 05:27:06 PM
Why would it b dumb to consider starting with Bock?
Averaged 99, 83 and 93 in the three seasons before his broken leg.
Could start the season at 180k? Has far better job security than any other rookie priced defender.
Has had nearly two years to recover from his injury?
If bock were to get through a few NAB cup games then it would b dumb to not consider him.
Agree with this. Forward or back he'll score well for stuff all and good JS.
Quote from: My Chumps on November 19, 2013, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: Dayze on November 17, 2013, 05:27:06 PM
Why would it b dumb to consider starting with Bock?
Averaged 99, 83 and 93 in the three seasons before his broken leg.
Could start the season at 180k? Has far better job security than any other rookie priced defender.
Has had nearly two years to recover from his injury?
If bock were to get through a few NAB cup games then it would b dumb to not consider him.
Exactly! Even if he doesn't get back to the 90 average that he has before, somewhere around 75-80 would do for his price. Plus he has potential F/B DPP which could be handy when trading him out. What's there to lose?
30 something years old, key forward, Shower JS, under investigation by ASADA, can't compare to before he got injured.
He is still the same bloke. Even if he averaged 75 mate he would b worth it.
Will not play key forward while the young suns develop.
Strictly backline.
U have to consider these guys nrich. I'm not saying he is locked. But to put no thought into bock could b a huge mistake...
Has every possibility of being the best injured pick up of the year.
Have you watched the 2 games he played? Have you looked at his NEAFL stats? He is a forward now not a back. Rookies have better JS than him.
Gold Coast didn't recruit him as a forward. Maybe there easing him back and feel the forward line is the place to do it?
Who knows mate, if he is a forward I'm less interested. All I'm saying is u have to consider him, that's all.
This time of year players are just on our watchlist. It isn't dumb to "consider" Bock.
On top of that, bock would b on huge money. I would imagine about half a mill a year.
U don't have some one on Ur list on huge money that has no JS... Just a thought.
Will Sam Docherty chances of Starting in the Carlton line up be affected with the retirement of Nick Duigan which would mean Heath Scotland would get elevated.
Quote from: johnnytheboy1 on December 04, 2013, 12:55:10 PM
Will Sam Docherty chances of Starting in the Carlton line up be affected with the retirement of Nick Duigan which would mean Heath Scotland would get elevated.
Possibly, but I think Scotland was going to get elevated anyway.
Guess we have to wait until round one to find out.