http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-quits-tigers
MIDFIELDER Dustin Martin has quit Richmond.
His management told the club on Monday that he wanted to pursue other opportunities.
Wow didn't think he had quit thought he was just pursuing other offers
Wow :o
"We have also stated previously that we are determined to adhere to our payment strategy for all of our players, many of whom have already committed to the club and its future direction during the 2013 season."
This quote from general manager of football Dan Richardson suggests money was the major factor.
OMFG
Despite all the news around him. Did not expect this!!
Tigers would be pretty dissapointed you would have thought.
Where is he going? GWS? Carlton?
Trade Dale Thomas for Dustin Martin
Done!
Though the Tigers probably can't afford Daisy.....
Quote from: ossie85 on September 16, 2013, 12:46:41 PM
Trade Dale Thomas for Dustin Martin
Done!
Though the Tigers probably can't afford Daisy.....
Seems pointless they both asking the same amount I think
How much cash do Carlton have?
Daisy and Martin to the Blues
I actually heard a rumour the other day which I said bullshower about it that th Eagles where after him.
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 12:42:17 PM
OMFG
Despite all the news around him. Did not expect this!!
Tigers would be pretty dissapointed you would have thought.
Where is he going? GWS? Carlton?
He's going to West Coast...
Quote from: Ricochet on September 16, 2013, 12:49:48 PM
How much cash do Carlton have?
Daisy and Martin to the Blues
I think we know that Carlton see's the salary cap as a 'guideline' anyway :P
Devastating for Richmond fans, and really surprising given the Tigers position. They'd be a genuine top 4 and therefore premiership chance next year.
Quote from: luvfooty on September 16, 2013, 12:50:17 PM
I actually heard a rumour the other day which I said bullshower about it that th Eagles where after him.
He was in Perth last week!
Why would he move to that showerhole lol
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
Quote from: luvfooty on September 16, 2013, 12:50:17 PM
I actually heard a rumour the other day which I said bullshower about it that th Eagles where after him.
He was in Perth last week!
While it matters a bit where he wants to go, still have to trade for him. Otherwise straight to the Giants in the draft....
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 12:54:06 PM
Why would he move to that showerhole lol
Settle petal. Perth is the best city in the world! 8)
Lol sorry I've had an hours sleep in like the last 24 hours
I don't even...
Quote from: Ricochet on September 16, 2013, 12:49:48 PM
How much cash do Carlton have?
Daisy and Martin to the Blues
Given they were unable to really get involved in trade week last year because their salary cap was close to full, I doubt very much they could afford both of these guys.
Shocked. Can't really understand why he would leave the Tigers!
Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL 2m
Taking it a bit far to say Martin has def walked out .. Crisis yes, and looking options, but those close to Martin surprised by headlines
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
Quote from: luvfooty on September 16, 2013, 12:50:17 PM
I actually heard a rumour the other day which I said bullshower about it that th Eagles where after him.
He was in Perth last week!
indeed he was. and just happened to be seen having a serious looking chat with Darren Glass
Stevo is right, but I'm slowly coming to accept that he's probably gone...
GWS can have him for their first rounder and Taylor Adams. :P
Lol
What's Richmond paying too finish 9th next season?
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
Martin to GWS for big $$$
Patton to the Bulldogs
Pick #4 to Richmond
Works for me.
Taylor Adams & Dom Tyson thanks Giants, you can have him if he has no loyalty.
You'll struggle to trade with the Giants, they'll just say let him go to the draft....
Adams wants to go home to Vic so they might just trade him
You won't get pick 4 though or Tyson and Adams
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
Martin to GWS for big $$$
Patton to the Bulldogs
Pick #4 to Richmond
LIKE
haha.
Why would we trade for martin when, as os said, we can just grab him through the draft?
I dunno if he's even going to us anyway.
If adams wants to go home, that'd be a completely different and seperate deal.
Quote from: Ziplock on September 16, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
haha.
Why would we trade for martin when, as os said, we can just grab him through the draft?
I dunno if he's even going to us anyway.
If adams wants to go home, that'd be a completely different and seperate deal.
May have to excuse my ignorance here mate..but if GWS use the draft to get him...what pick would they have to use...?
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 16, 2013, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 16, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
haha.
Why would we trade for martin when, as os said, we can just grab him through the draft?
I dunno if he's even going to us anyway.
If adams wants to go home, that'd be a completely different and seperate deal.
May have to excuse my ignorance here mate..but if GWS use the draft to get him...what pick would they have to use...?
they can do it like Tippett did
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 16, 2013, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 16, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
haha.
Why would we trade for martin when, as os said, we can just grab him through the draft?
I dunno if he's even going to us anyway.
If adams wants to go home, that'd be a completely different and seperate deal.
May have to excuse my ignorance here mate..but if GWS use the draft to get him...what pick would they have to use...?
they can do it like Tippett did
but guessing they'd have to use pick 1 ?
no Tippett went in the pre season draft so Martin can do the same
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 16, 2013, 02:02:30 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 02:01:07 PM
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 16, 2013, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on September 16, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
haha.
Why would we trade for martin when, as os said, we can just grab him through the draft?
I dunno if he's even going to us anyway.
If adams wants to go home, that'd be a completely different and seperate deal.
May have to excuse my ignorance here mate..but if GWS use the draft to get him...what pick would they have to use...?
they can do it like Tippett did
but guessing they'd have to use pick 1 ?
They can use pick 1 in the pre-season draft. So Martin nominates to go in the pre-season draft and GWS take him with pick 1, simple.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 02:04:21 PM
no Tippett went in the pre season draft so Martin can do the same
get ya...cheers
If Martin was to do that things would be bad. Leaving the Tigers is one thing, but to get nothing for him as well.....
Ouch.
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 16, 2013, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 02:04:21 PM
no Tippett went in the pre season draft so Martin can do the same
get ya...cheers
There was extenuating circumstances in that case.
Quote from: meow meow on September 16, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
Martin to GWS for big $$$
Patton to the Bulldogs
Pick #4 to Richmond
Assuming Franklin moves to GWS as I can't see Giants trading Patton otherwise.
haha what an absolute dog. after everything the club has done for him ::) his twitter and instagram have blown up with hate mail. cant say i feel sorry for him
he just enters the draft and puts a huge amount on his head
i.e if he says i want 850k a year you gotta give him at least that in his first year
that's how they get to which club they want to go too
say he wants to go to GWS and they wanna use there 4th round to pick him up
he says i want 850k per year
anyone else drafts him and that's what he wants every year for 3 years etc or he won't sign
(of course if someone does sign him and he says no i don't wanna play for you he has to sit out for 12 months)
where as he can do that with GWS but say for them he wants that and they have to pay him the 850k for 1st year but he may agree to get payed 500k the 2nd and 3rd etc
basically if you got the cap room he will let the club he wants to go to front load his contract to scare everyone else off
same situation luke ball did with going to the pies from the saints viz the draft
hes not gonna go into the draft people.. Richmond arent that stubborn. They will get a deal done
Quote from: quinny88 on September 16, 2013, 02:52:04 PM
hes not gonna go into the draft people.. Richmond arent that stubborn. They will get a deal done
agree
just stating though how it would work if he did
Melbourne apparently offering Pick 2 for him. I had a feeling Melbourne would chase him...
Quote from: Master Q on September 16, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
Melbourne apparently offering Pick 2 for him. I had a feeling Melbourne would chase him...
You would back Roos to at straighten him out, but there would be a stern conversation first IMO
Pick 2 seems overs for me?
Quote from: Master Q on September 16, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
Melbourne apparently offering Pick 2 for him. I had a feeling Melbourne would chase him...
Stupid thing is Melbourne should have had him anyway but took Trengrove and Scully instead lol.
I would be more than happy to trade him for pick 2
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 16, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
Melbourne apparently offering Pick 2 for him. I had a feeling Melbourne would chase him...
You would back Roos to at straighten him out, but there would be a stern conversation first IMO
What you dont think Damien Hardwick and Chocco Williams are as stern as Roos? You have to want to change to be changed. Dont think this is an issue of that kind anyway its purely a money grab which is pretty low conisdering all that Richmond did for him
Martin is a #3 pick living up to the hype
#2 is fair, if anything, I'd say under for a team wanting to give finals a shake
Quote from: quinny88 on September 16, 2013, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 16, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
Melbourne apparently offering Pick 2 for him. I had a feeling Melbourne would chase him...
You would back Roos to at straighten him out, but there would be a stern conversation first IMO
What you dont think Damien Hardwick and Chocco Williams are as stern as Roos? You have to want to change to be changed. Dont think this is an issue of that kind anyway its purely a money grab which is pretty low conisdering all that Richmond did for him
Yeah it's kinda of overs but if they can't get Boyd, plucking someone like Dusty is still a safe option and will bring them success quicker, compared to someone like James Aish. Chocco was a role model for Dusty and they were often seen together, still confused why he'd go with money over Richmond.
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: Master Q on September 16, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
Melbourne apparently offering Pick 2 for him. I had a feeling Melbourne would chase him...
You would back Roos to at straighten him out, but there would be a stern conversation first IMO
Pick 2 seems overs for me?
no way, its under what he is worth. Melbourne have a history of making bad pick and an established star would be huge for them.
I don't see how Pick #2 is overs for a gun established former pick #3... Understand if anything IMO.
Would love to see us chase Taylor Adams & Pick #1 but will be interesting to see if the giants will deal.
But is it certain he's leaving? That article said he would consider offers from other clubs, don't think it says he's 100% gone (although its lookin likely).
I'm disappointed in him either way.
It's not certain he's leaving, the afl website hyped it up straight away by saying he quit Richmond when he's just looking at other offers.
In saying that I don't think he'll stay now.
Yeah that's what I thought of it as well nick - tbh I don't see much loyalty anyways in his decision so f he wants to go let him go, just make sure we get something for him.
Yeah, if he does go, we need to secure a trade so we get something in return.
I'd do Martin for Pick #2.
Interesting to note that two of the top three from that draft (Scully and now potentially Martin have moved clubs). :o
Pretty pore journalism once again. They are even reporting on the news that he quit ::)
He is as good as gone in my mind though. To say you are looking at other offers obviously means your hearts not in it
Quote from: quinny88 on September 16, 2013, 03:50:29 PM
He is as good as gone in my mind though. To say you are looking at other offers obviously means your hearts not in it
Yeah, same here. Slowly coming to accept it. :P
Quote from: NigeyS on September 16, 2013, 03:54:13 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on September 16, 2013, 03:50:29 PM
He is as good as gone in my mind though. To say you are looking at other offers obviously means your hearts not in it
Yeah, same here. Slowly coming to accept it. :P
I would still love to give him an earful but he will cop more than enough of that im sure ;)
As long as we get a good deal done ill be alright with it. If it just goesw around in circles and we end up with next to nothing ill be pissed off. Remember when Ottens left? :o
Which club has the best chance of recruiting Dustin Martin?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/dustin-martin-which-club-wants-him
I always knew we would lose one of conca or martin. I'm disappointed dusty is leaving but over the past week i've been contemplating things that could occur with his loss. Its not the worst thing imo. If we could somehow poach adams and pick 1 for dusty who is going to be a top 10 afl player for the next decade and our pick 11 is it? Both teams would win!! Its almost 100% confirmed adams is vic bound and why not get a star in return for him if you are gws? A straight swap would not be in the works as i feel the tiges would believe dusty is worth more.
Dusty is worth pick 1. Averages over 20 possies and a goal a game over his 86 games so far being one of only 4 players in the league along with boomer harvey, dayne beams and gary ablett to be achieving this. Gws got adams at 13 so whos to say they wont draft another jet with pick 11.
What are your thoughts tiger fans? I feel the afl will be forced into mediation by the tiges to make this a fair trade for both parties. I can't see us making a tippett mistake. I'll take pick 2 from the dees if gws dont wanna play our game haha i can only dream :)
Top 5 pick is always too good for a player who wants to leave his own club....
Richmond have next no bargaining chips and will likely be played into a very bad deal similar to Tippett/Adelaide
He's probably already on two strikes ;)
Sydney Swans
As far as culture and role models go, there couldn't be a better fit for Martin. As mentioned, his father lives in Sydney and that could be a factor in his decision. Do the reigning premiers have the cap space after recruiting key forward Kurt Tippett?
LMFAO - Dont think so bud!
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 04:45:34 PM
Sydney Swans
As far as culture and role models go, there couldn't be a better fit for Martin. As mentioned, his father lives in Sydney and that could be a factor in his decision. Do the reigning premiers have the cap space after recruiting key forward Kurt Tippett?
LMFAO - Dont think so bud!
If they do have space then they've hired the Melbourne Storm's accountant ::)
QuoteNathan Buckley spoke strongly about culture after the club's elimination final loss and he appears to be more focused on bringing through a young team in his own mould. Having said that, if the club loses Dale Thomas, Martin would be a perfect on-field replacement.
Verdict: An attractive option for Martin, and the Magpies should deal if they lose Thomas. Possible.
What sort of Journos do they have over at the AFL website?
I don't understand how Dustin Martin could be the type of players Buckley would be looking for :P
Quote from: Master Q on September 16, 2013, 04:54:14 PM
QuoteNathan Buckley spoke strongly about culture after the club's elimination final loss and he appears to be more focused on bringing through a young team in his own mould. Having said that, if the club loses Dale Thomas, Martin would be a perfect on-field replacement.
Verdict: An attractive option for Martin, and the Magpies should deal if they lose Thomas. Possible.
What sort of Journos do they have over at the AFL website?
I don't understand how Dustin Martin could be the type of players Buckley would be looking for :P
yeah, be great for the clubs culture!!
Take whatever we can get from Pick 1 and Adams to pick 30.
Dusty is making a statement on Twitter atm
Dustin Martin @DustinMartin4
There have been a lot of conflicting stories going around about myself and the Richmond Footy Club.
At the weekend, I asked my manager Ralph Carr to request an extension of time from Richmond, to allow me to fully consider the options about my future.
This decision was made purely by me, together with my family. As you can understand, this is a very important decision for myself and my family and one that I won't make lightly.
I want to make it clear that I appreciate everyone's patience in allowing me the time to make this decision.
The claims that I have walked out on the Richmond Football Club are totally incorrect. I can tell you that at this time, no decision has been made regarding my future
His decision is to pursue other contracts for $$$. Otherwise he'd have signed. >:(
That is huge news! Imagine him at Carlton :o
Prefer him over Daisy easily and he is not injury prone. Also would wind up Tiges fans ;)
If we are willing to offer 650k for Daisy, why not go for Dusty instead and pay that bit extra?
But we also need a key forward!
Richmond trade: Martin + Pick 12
GWS trade: Pick 1 + Taylor Adams
Hawthorn trade: Buddy, get Dusty
GWS trade: Pick 1, get Buddy
Richmond trade: Dusty, get Pick 1
Just throwing out some hypotheticals :)
Quote from: Windigo on September 16, 2013, 06:05:01 PM
His decision is to pursue other contracts for $$$. Otherwise he'd have signed. >:(
it depends on what the differential is for mine. If he can get A LOT more elsewhere then I just see it as common sense on his behalf.
Give us Dusty and we will give you Josh Bootsma ;)
Flower it..just take him!
Please.
You see Caro's tweet threatening if he leaves she will release any info she has on him that's pretty lol a journo threatening a player
Carowhine Wilson @caro_whine 47m
If Dustin Martin leaves Richmond I will be left with no choice but to divulge information that has come to my attention via certain sources
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 08:12:22 PM
You see Caro's tweet threatening if he leaves she will release any info she has on him that's pretty lol a journo threatening a player
Carowhine Wilson @caro_whine 47m
If Dustin Martin leaves Richmond I will be left with no choice but to divulge information that has come to my attention via certain sources
I hope you know that's a parody account. :P
Oh my lulz kb, ::)
Lol I don't use twitter I seen it on a Facebook page parody means fake I'm guessing?
It does say Carowhine Wlson
I like just woke up from a nap leave me alone lol
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
I like just woke up from a nap leave me alone lol
You need a new excuse :P
Nah I'm sticking with that one
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2013, 09:01:52 PM
Nah I'm sticking with that one
LMFAO!! KB this series of posts has brightened my night!
I like this quote that's been thrown around a bit - apparently said by Brandon Ellis to his manager earlier this year:
"Whatever Richmond offers, take it."
Shows the kind of player we need! 8)
Footy classified say Tigers removed their offer.... now done. Looking for a deal rather than looking after Martin
I'm just saying that this is extremely disloyal to his club, Richmond has improved so much and this could be a move that shatters everything (like Scully to GWS). If he does move hopefully the Richmond team can physically express their anger towards him directly when they clash.
I know this is the lest likely club for Dusty to move to but I do hope he finds a home at Aberton (literally I think PAFC is the last team that he'll go to, I don't think Hinkley will want him most of all and it's also a likely two-way street both hopefully both entities can prove me wrong). I think the Dees will be picking him up after Roo's stated (and basically implied) Dusty is worth $600k a year in more words or less. But good on Hardwick for showing him whose boss like he did last season when he was misbehaving off the field. He really is proving to be a good coach over the last few seasons.
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Footy classified say Tigers removed their offer.... now done. Looking for a deal rather than looking after Martin
Good on us I say. Now to find the best deal possible and be done with it!
To think that we (Richmond) invested so muc htime and effort into educating and get Dusty settled and now he is gunna give is the big F.U and look for that bit more coin....
Tigers are on the up and I can't see how he could just up and leave.....
Quote from: Toga on September 17, 2013, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Footy classified say Tigers removed their offer.... now done. Looking for a deal rather than looking after Martin
Good on us I say. Now to find the best deal possible and be done with it!
+1
This is honestly a shock to me... Why the Flower does he want to leave an improving team?? They finished 5th this season and it looks like the only way is up... I don't understand this at all, is it purely for the money?
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 17, 2013, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: Toga on September 17, 2013, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Footy classified say Tigers removed their offer.... now done. Looking for a deal rather than looking after Martin
Good on us I say. Now to find the best deal possible and be done with it!
+1
This is honestly a shock to me... Why the Flower does he want to leave an improving team?? They finished 5th this season and it looks like the only way is up... I don't understand this at all, is it purely for the money?
More than likely, yes.
Quote from: powersuperkents on September 17, 2013, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: Toga on September 17, 2013, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 16, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Footy classified say Tigers removed their offer.... now done. Looking for a deal rather than looking after Martin
Good on us I say. Now to find the best deal possible and be done with it!
+1
This is honestly a shock to me... Why the Flower does he want to leave an improving team?? They finished 5th this season and it looks like the only way is up... I don't understand this at all, is it purely for the money?
Maybe he doesn't get along with the coach/staff/players? He might feel like the club shafted his mate Connors?
All are reasons why a player may feel like he should explore other options
He did also mention his family in his statement. Maybe he does need the extra money to support his family
There are many reasons why a player wants to leave a club other than just being greedy
Martin might enjoy the obscurity Queensland offers to get him on track off the field. Unlikely to eventuate though,
The title is a bit off lol
Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2013, 09:19:29 AM
Maybe he doesn't get along with the coach/staff/players? He might feel like the club shafted his mate Connors?
All are reasons why a player may feel like he should explore other options
He did also mention his family in his statement. Maybe he does need the extra money to support his family
There are many reasons why a player wants to leave a club other than just being greedy
Doesn't seem like that's his motivation from what he said in the video, particularly from 3:20 onwards - I know it was earlier in the year, but still.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-05-07/richo-dusty-iv
"Richmond footy club is the world to me, they've been amazing in supporting me, and I'm gonna give everything back to them, they've been great."
"Would you like to be a one club player over your career, does that appeal to you?" "Yeah, definitely."
A lot can change in 6 months
I can't see it being for any reason other than wanting more money, the club has given him heaps and has supported him through all of his off-field stuff. For him to walk out after all that and stating he'd be a one-club player, money must be the motive.
But if he really loved the club and wanted to be a one club player then money wouldn't be a factor?
Not stirring the pot, just offering ideas why he might be thinking this
I think that was evident in that Brandon Ellis quote that someone put up where he said to his manager to take whatever RFC offer.
The clear cut difference between loyalty and greed.
Quote from: nickstiges on September 17, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
I think that was evident in that Brandon Ellis quote that someone put up where he said to his manager to take whatever RFC offer.
The clear cut difference between loyalty and greed.
I wonder if we are too harsh, and that 'loyalty' is often a one way street.
Richmond, like all clubs, will axe players that are not performing. Leaving a lot of young adults with no clear future after taking years of there lives. Some would say that is disloyal also...
Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2013, 10:47:52 AM
But if he really loved the club and wanted to be a one club player then money wouldn't be a factor?
Not stirring the pot, just offering ideas why he might be thinking this
I think we should take it at face value. He loves the club, would like to stay, but he wants to look at see what others clubs offer him. He's done exactly what Buddy has done really....I don't see what he's done wrong apart from not being upfront at the start of the season about his intentions.
Quote from: nickstiges on September 17, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
I think that was evident in that Brandon Ellis quote that someone put up where he said to his manager to take whatever RFC offer.
The clear cut difference between loyalty and greed.
take whatever RFC offer and dismiss all other offers out of hand.....would have been the clear cut difference between loyalty and greed
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 17, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2013, 10:47:52 AM
But if he really loved the club and wanted to be a one club player then money wouldn't be a factor?
Not stirring the pot, just offering ideas why he might be thinking this
I think we should take it at face value. He loves the club, would like to stay, but he wants to look at see what others clubs offer him. He's done exactly what Buddy has done really....I don't see what he's done wrong apart from not being upfront at the start of the season about his intentions.
The problem is that it's hard to take at face value when the media slant the story in different directions. Everyone then jumps on board and it snowballs out of control.
I don't envy being in the player's shoes in these instances.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 17, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nickstiges on September 17, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
I think that was evident in that Brandon Ellis quote that someone put up where he said to his manager to take whatever RFC offer.
The clear cut difference between loyalty and greed.
I wonder if we are too harsh, and that 'loyalty' is often a one way street.
Richmond, like all clubs, will axe players that are not performing. Leaving a lot of young adults with no clear future after taking years of there lives. Some would say that is disloyal also...
that is one fine point,
The idea of loyalty from a top 15 draft player is circular logic and pretty much rubbish
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 17, 2013, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 17, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2013, 10:47:52 AM
But if he really loved the club and wanted to be a one club player then money wouldn't be a factor?
Not stirring the pot, just offering ideas why he might be thinking this
I think we should take it at face value. He loves the club, would like to stay, but he wants to look at see what others clubs offer him. He's done exactly what Buddy has done really....I don't see what he's done wrong apart from not being upfront at the start of the season about his intentions.
The problem is that it's hard to take at face value when the media slant the story in different directions. Everyone then jumps on board and it snowballs out of control.
I don't envy being in the player's shoes in these instances.
Just ignore the media and listen to what Dusty is actually saying. It's no bigger deal than Daisy or Buddy reallly. He honoured his contract and wants to have a look at his options. People get all angry at sportsman when they don't show loyalty....but Iam sure Tigers fans quit their jobs and move on for a better deal somewhere else everyday. As someone else mentioned...if Dusty had flopped and not lived up to his draft status then Richmond would have happily delisted him
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 17, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 17, 2013, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: dirkdiggler on September 17, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on September 17, 2013, 10:47:52 AM
But if he really loved the club and wanted to be a one club player then money wouldn't be a factor?
Not stirring the pot, just offering ideas why he might be thinking this
I think we should take it at face value. He loves the club, would like to stay, but he wants to look at see what others clubs offer him. He's done exactly what Buddy has done really....I don't see what he's done wrong apart from not being upfront at the start of the season about his intentions.
The problem is that it's hard to take at face value when the media slant the story in different directions. Everyone then jumps on board and it snowballs out of control.
I don't envy being in the player's shoes in these instances.
Just ignore the media and listen to what Dusty is actually saying. It's no bigger deal than Daisy or Buddy reallly. He honoured his contract and wants to have a look at his options. People get all angry at sportsman when they don't show loyalty....but Iam sure Tigers fans quit their jobs and move on for a better deal somewhere else everyday. As someone else mentioned...if Dusty had flopped and not lived up to his draft status then Richmond would have happily delisted him
I agree with you. There's plenty out there though who treat every word the media say as gospel ;)
Quote from: specky92 on September 17, 2013, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 17, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nickstiges on September 17, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
I think that was evident in that Brandon Ellis quote that someone put up where he said to his manager to take whatever RFC offer.
The clear cut difference between loyalty and greed.
I wonder if we are too harsh, and that 'loyalty' is often a one way street.
Richmond, like all clubs, will axe players that are not performing. Leaving a lot of young adults with no clear future after taking years of there lives. Some would say that is disloyal also...
that is one fine point,
I disagree completely Os. Players have the choice of entering the draft and playing footy, the risk of being cut comes with it. And you make it sound like they get nothing out of those three years. They get a better lifestyle then the average Joe, and better pay too. Like all workplaces, if someone isn't giving 100% or is not fit for the job then they are asked to leave. Same goes for a football club.
Agree Q and no way I'd let such a week frog into Adelaide!
Quote from: tbagrocks on September 17, 2013, 10:08:59 PM
Agree Q and no way I'd let such a week frog into Adelaide!
cmon tbag, if ya gonna bold out the word to show some emotion, you could at least spell the word right :P
Quote from: brad on September 17, 2013, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on September 17, 2013, 10:08:59 PM
Agree Q and no way I'd let such a week frog into Adelaide!
cmon tbag, if ya gonna bold out the word to show some emotion, you could at least spell the word right :P
LOL.
insert comment about Tippett?
Quote from: Master Q on September 17, 2013, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: specky92 on September 17, 2013, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 17, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nickstiges on September 17, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
I think that was evident in that Brandon Ellis quote that someone put up where he said to his manager to take whatever RFC offer.
The clear cut difference between loyalty and greed.
I wonder if we are too harsh, and that 'loyalty' is often a one way street.
Richmond, like all clubs, will axe players that are not performing. Leaving a lot of young adults with no clear future after taking years of there lives. Some would say that is disloyal also...
that is one fine point,
I disagree completely Os. Players have the choice of entering the draft and playing footy, the risk of being cut comes with it. And you make it sound like they get nothing out of those three years. They get a better lifestyle then the average Joe, and better pay too. Like all workplaces, if someone isn't giving 100% or is not fit for the job then they are asked to leave. Same goes for a football club.
I agree completely with that Q :) All up to the player's choice, no doubt. My point being is that player's are expected to be 'loyal' to a club at the cost of a pay check, but I'm not sure the reverse is true.
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 18, 2013, 12:36:26 AM
Quote from: brad on September 17, 2013, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on September 17, 2013, 10:08:59 PM
Agree Q and no way I'd let such a week frog into Adelaide!
cmon tbag, if ya gonna bold out the word to show some emotion, you could at least spell the word right :P
LOL.
Tippett Sucks!
insert comment about Tippett?
Egg on my face ???
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@Richmond_FC's Dustin Martin spotted flying to Sydney this morning. @GWS_Giants visit? http://bit.ly/16nQveM
According to this Melbourne, Collingwood and Carlton aren't interested any more.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-19/dusty-suitors-thinning-fast
I still think he's a good chance to stay :-X
I also think he is a reasonable chance to stay still - think this "testing the waters" thing is more his dickhead manager's doing than Dusty's.
I'm just a bit worried that if we have called their bluff and he does come back to the club that relationships between him and the other players/staff might be a bit tender... :-X
--> I think we should chase Taylor Adams regardless of whether Dusty stays! 8)
Quote from: Toga on September 19, 2013, 10:12:47 AM
I also think he is a reasonable chance to stay still - think this "testing the waters" thing is more his dickhead manager's doing than Dusty's.
I'm just a bit worried that if we have called their bluff and he does come back to the club that relationships between him and the other players/staff might be a bit tender... :-X
--> I think we should chase Taylor Adams regardless of whether Dusty stays! 8)
Yeah he's manager is a dickhead, has no idea about football. He doesn't care what is best for Dusty, he's only trying to get as much money as possible. He also manages Cloke and we all know what happened last year. The best thing for Dusty to stay, he owes as for how much work we've done for him.
I agree with what you're saying, hopefully the players understand and I'm sure they'll be happy for Dusty to stay.
I really hope we chase Adams, Collinwood are interested in him too. Without giving up Martin our first round pick may get the deal done, but Collingwood have the pick before us :-\
Quote from: Toga on September 19, 2013, 10:12:47 AM
--> I think we should chase Taylor Adams regardless of whether Dusty stays! 8)
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Yeah I was gonna say this the other day - Ralph Carr is a sack that has no idea about player management - he's in the Show Biz industry, where there's no real concepts of loyalty or team spirit to consider when signing contracts... Feel sorry for Dusty as he's being fed bad advice it seems.
If he stays surely he will make a public apology or something and sack that dickhead Carr.
Taylor Adams to the Pies makes me sad.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/out-of-contract-richmond-star-dustin-martin-jets-out-for-sydney/story-fn69a32t-1226722549552
Martin on a plane to Sydney to meet with GWS....
Will be interesting if Dusty does stay how the Richmond fans treat him next year after all this?
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 19, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
Will be interesting if Dusty does stay how the Richmond fans treat him next year after all this?
If he stays they wont care
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 19, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
Will be interesting if Dusty does stay how the Richmond fans treat him next year after all this?
Yeah I mentioned this a couple days ago - if, after all this, he comes back to the club and says I want to stay, I'm sure we'd all be happy enough to have him back, but the relationships between Dusty, his teammates, club officials and our supporters may be very tender... I'm not sure how it's gonna turn out. :-[
I reckon the club and players would understand his situation and probably the supporters aswell.
What is it? Like 6 weeks until preseason?? PLayers might give him some crap, but they will be getting down to it and move on
Then Round 1 is months away. Supporters would have forgiven by then if he signs
I'm sure everybody will be happy for him to stay.
Even Richo believes Dusty is getting bad advice.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-19/dusty-getting-poor-advice
If Richo says it, you know it's true. ;)
Cos hes not biased at all ::)
Quote from: ossie85 on September 17, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nickstiges on September 17, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
I think that was evident in that Brandon Ellis quote that someone put up where he said to his manager to take whatever RFC offer.
The clear cut difference between loyalty and greed.
I wonder if we are too harsh, and that 'loyalty' is often a one way street.
Richmond, like all clubs, will axe players that are not performing. Leaving a lot of young adults with no clear future after taking years of there lives. Some would say that is disloyal also...
That is a great point :) AFL gets me so passionate that I always seem to forget the fact that the AFL is a business and not an extended family of 18 haha really good point, successfully changed my perspective on the issue. In other news Hinkley said he will not be pursuing Martin as he directly stated: "we simply cannot afford him" but I think Jared Polec will be finding a new home at Aberton after Hinkley said he was willing to use his first round draft pick (something the Crows cannot offer) but claimed he would first make sure that Polec wanted to play for Port Adelaide in the first place :)
Conca signing means it is probably only a matter of time before Richmond wash their hands of Dusty
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 19, 2013, 11:20:03 AM
Taylor Adams to the Pies makes me sad.
agreed :'( come to the Saints
congrats on your 100th cheer aswell mate
Quote from: brad on September 20, 2013, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 19, 2013, 11:20:03 AM
Taylor Adams to the Pies makes me sad.
agreed :'( come to the Saints
congrats on your 100th cheer aswell mate
Very nice! Hadnt noticed Thanks mate
http://m.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-09-20/dustin-martin
:o
I still think Dusty stays.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
http://m.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-09-20/dustin-martin
:o
I still think Dusty stays.
Maybe he's not worth as much as he thinks he is!
I think this says the Giants have Franklin in the bag more than anything else....
The suitors are dropping like flies... :o
I guess the Lions are the real threat now?
Quote from: Toga on September 20, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
The suitors are dropping like flies... :o
I guess the Lions are the real threat now?
West Coast still in it I think?
Oh are they? I knew they were after Concs, didn't know Dusty was in their sights! :o
Essendon have spoken to his management
not sure if a move over here will help him. It does take him out of the melbourne scene but WA is the most footy foccused state easy. If he does anything wrong here it will be all over the media.
with a new coach i cant see it happening. thats why he wont go to the lions either.
gellong hawks freo sydney carlton are the only clubs where he would sensibly fit.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-keen-to-stay-at-richmond-after-gws-pulls-out-of-running-for-his-services-20130920-2u42p.html
Starting to look good.
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on September 20, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
Starting to look good.
Yep, from the start I thought that he would stay.
Lol now the Saints rule Martin out ::)
http://www.saints.com.au/news/2013-09-20/saints-rule-out-martin.workstation
well played Ralph Carr you tosser!!
Shopped Dusty around to find no one wants him!!
Instead of getting a pay rise Martin can pay Richmond to play!! ;D ;D
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 20, 2013, 02:16:34 PM
well played Ralph Carr you tosser!!
Shopped Dusty around to find no one wants him!!
Instead of getting a pay rise Martin can pay Richmond to play!! ;D ;D
Carr is a flowerwit lol :P ::) ;D
Good to see Hardwick and the rest of the Richmond staff have done another wonderful job in improving their players off the field. Now no club wants Dustin Martin. Well done Hardwick
Tigers can probably pay him less than what they offered now!
It's a conspiracy!
Upper Kumbukta West are still interested.
But it's too far - Dusty has 'Carr sickness'!
Quote from: tor01doc on September 20, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
But it's too far - Dusty has 'Carr sickness'!
Groan... ::)
+1 ::)
Dusty's staying ;D :D
From what I've head he will be signing in the next 24 hours.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 04:17:57 PM
Dusty's staying ;D :D
From what I've head he will be signing in the next 24 hours.
We've heard that one before... ::) :P
Quote from: NigeyS on September 20, 2013, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 04:17:57 PM
Dusty's staying ;D :D
From what I've head he will be signing in the next 24 hours.
We've heard that one before... ::) :P
Haha yep I know, hopefully it's announced soon.
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 04:17:57 PM
Dusty's staying ;D :D
From what I've head he will be signing in the next 24 hours.
Where'd you hear it man? :D
Quote from: Toga on September 20, 2013, 04:53:48 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 04:17:57 PM
Dusty's staying ;D :D
From what I've head he will be signing in the next 24 hours.
Where'd you hear it man? :D
A guy on BigFooty, who's usually spot on with these kinds of things.
Wicked! :D
Interesting! Does he have a source? :)
Interesting read:
http://rickynixon.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-next-step-by-ricky-nixon/
Quote from: Toga on September 20, 2013, 06:24:11 PM
Interesting read:
http://rickynixon.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-next-step-by-ricky-nixon/
Wow...this actually makes sense to me.... :)
@TonySheahan: @Richmond_FC gun Dustin Martin could remain a Tiger. Martin was seen in St kilda late this afternoon enjoying beers w coach Damien Hardwick
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 05:05:33 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 20, 2013, 04:53:48 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 04:17:57 PM
Dusty's staying ;D :D
From what I've head he will be signing in the next 24 hours.
Where'd you hear it man? :D
A guy on BigFooty, who's usually spot on with these kinds of things.
Link?
Quote from: Master Q on September 20, 2013, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 05:05:33 PM
Quote from: Toga on September 20, 2013, 04:53:48 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on September 20, 2013, 04:17:57 PM
Dusty's staying ;D :D
From what I've head he will be signing in the next 24 hours.
Where'd you hear it man? :D
A guy on BigFooty, who's usually spot on with these kinds of things.
Link?
It pretty much starts here
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-144#post-30236675
There's a few pages to go through.
Damien Barrett said on The Rub tonight that if he stays he will probably be on less money then what he has been on for the last 3 seasons.
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 20, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
Damien Barrett said on The Rub tonight that if he stays he will probably be on less money then what he has been on for the last 3 seasons.
I heard he was on so much because they had to use 95% of their cap! Also, Mooney said on 5AA "I can name a number of three time Premiership players that aren't on that money"
So?
even if you dont win a premiership you can still be a really good player, and be worth more than a player that has won 3 premierships... :P
Quote from: brad on September 20, 2013, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: SydneyRox on September 19, 2013, 11:20:03 AM
Taylor Adams to the Pies makes me sad.
agreed :'( come to the Saints
congrats on your 100th cheer aswell mate
what is Tay Adams signing with Collingwood?? Adams & Treloar are going to be to admirable (not amazing but hard working e.g. Luke Ball type players) players when they get older. I always had a feeling Treloar would go to the pies after their shock season but Tay Adams is a much more physical player and wins more contested possessions. I want to see the Pies fall so badly but if they sign Adams it'll definitely deter it
Also St Kilda & GWS officially out of the race for Dusty. I always thought Roos would snag him so I tipping 75% Demons 25% he'll stay at Richmond for less than his original contract
Quote from: tbagrocks on September 20, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 20, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
Damien Barrett said on The Rub tonight that if he stays he will probably be on less money then what he has been on for the last 3 seasons.
I heard he was on so much because they had to use 95% of their cap! Also, Mooney said on 5AA "I can name a number of three time Premiership players that aren't on that money"
So?
His former contract was so big because GWS threatened to poach him, fortunately Dan Richardson did not take Ralph Carrs bluff.
Quote from: tbagrocks on September 20, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 20, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
Damien Barrett said on The Rub tonight that if he stays he will probably be on less money then what he has been on for the last 3 seasons.
I heard he was on so much because they had to use 95% of their cap! Also, Mooney said on 5AA "I can name a number of three time Premiership players that aren't on that money"
So?
My point was that he was holding out asking for me more money and now he is probably going to get less. I thought that was clear, but obviously not :P
@TonySheahan: Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
Yay ;D hopefully it's true.
It seems like he will re-sign now that Brisbane have pulled out of the race. Thanks Leppa. ;)
Quote from: NigeyS on September 30, 2013, 11:16:40 AM
It seems like he will re-sign now that Brisbane have pulled out of the race. Thanks Leppa. ;)
him and his dad was seen dining with Goodwin and Bomber last night
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 30, 2013, 11:16:40 AM
It seems like he will re-sign now that Brisbane have pulled out of the race. Thanks Leppa. ;)
him and his dad was seen dining with Goodwin and Bomber last night
I'd like to know what Essendon would offer us in return.
Quote from: NigeyS on September 30, 2013, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 30, 2013, 11:16:40 AM
It seems like he will re-sign now that Brisbane have pulled out of the race. Thanks Leppa. ;)
him and his dad was seen dining with Goodwin and Bomber last night
I'd like to know what Essendon would offer us in return.
nothing if we get him to do a Tippett lol
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2013, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 30, 2013, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: NigeyS on September 30, 2013, 11:16:40 AM
It seems like he will re-sign now that Brisbane have pulled out of the race. Thanks Leppa. ;)
him and his dad was seen dining with Goodwin and Bomber last night
I'd like to know what Essendon would offer us in return.
nothing if we get him to do a Tippett lol
IF you get him to do a Tippett. The Tiges wouldn't let that happen.
Yep I agree Nige, we won't let it happen.
Apparently Dusty has until tonight (Richmond's B&F) to sign or the offer will be of the table. Hopefully both parties come to an agreement soon.
Any ideas on what happens if he doesn't sign? What is the next move?
This getting ridiculous, haha. I don't even know what is going on now! :P
Come to the hawks dusty, you can have our buddy compensation pick
Quote from: T Dog on September 30, 2013, 11:55:32 AM
Any ideas on what happens if he doesn't sign? What is the next move?
We'll look to trade him, even though lots of clubs have said no I'm sure someone would take him.
I still believe he wants to remain a Tiger, hopefully he can sign soon :D
Quote from: JROO8 on September 30, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: T Dog on September 30, 2013, 11:55:32 AM
Any ideas on what happens if he doesn't sign? What is the next move?
We'll look to trade him, even though lots of clubs have said no I'm sure someone would take him.
I still believe he wants to remain a Tiger, hopefully he can sign soon :D
the pies may just have a "problem child spot" becoming vacant if heater moves on... :D
what do you mean you wont let that happen? Dusty can just walk and enter the draft
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
what do you mean you wont let that happen? Dusty can just walk and enter the draft
+1
Quote from: Ziplock on September 30, 2013, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
what do you mean you wont let that happen? Dusty can just walk and enter the draft
+1
He definitely could, there's no doubting that... However, it's likely the club will do everything they can to stop him if they think that's what he might be doing. I'm fairly confident he'll announce he's re-signed tonight at the B&F though.
pretty sure i just heard on TWR that Dusty has signed a 2 year contract with the Tiges
Trade Radio @traderadio 38s
Herald Sun reporting a two-year deal for Dustin Martin at the Tigers!
Wow haha. :P
Boom. Dusty's staying. I always thought he was staying, happy for this shower to be over 8)
Players don't usually walk into the preseason draft unless they have a big problem with their club. I don't think he'd walk anyway.
Confirmed by Richmond
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-30/martin-sticks-with-the-tigers-
Haha finally they reached a conclusion!
Amen.
What is he getting paid?
Quote from: vinny on September 30, 2013, 07:00:08 PM
What is he getting paid?
More than any idiot in his family is worth
So is he getting a lesser deal than Tigers offered before?
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2013, 10:11:40 AM
So is he getting a lesser deal than Tigers offered before?
As far as I know, yep.
Finished second in the B&F.
He'd be pretty happy with his manager then...
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2013, 10:19:38 AM
He'd be pretty happy with his manager then...
He might be... but nobody else is.
I read somewhere it was between 500k and 600k.
Quote from: vinny on October 01, 2013, 10:36:38 AM
I read somewhere it was between 500k and 600k.
Something like that, 1mil over two years I think it is.
About time :).
Quote from: Ricochet on October 01, 2013, 10:11:40 AM
So is he getting a lesser deal than Tigers offered before?
Nope, from what I understand he has signed exactly what was tabled to him two weeks ago..
I think it's the right thing to do on Richmond's part - if we underplayed him after this whole debacle it would just create bad blood between club & player.
>Ralph Carr is still an fagit.
During Dusty's speech at the B&F he called Ralph Carr a gun :o
Got a few boos from the crowd lol.
He said the only reason he was looking at GWS is because he wants to be with his Dad, but next year he's Dad will come down from Sydney and come and live in Melbourne so Dusty stays. He said it wasn't Carr or his father that wanted him to look at GWS, but his choice. Happy you're staying Dusty :-*
So the title says Martin quit?
It was the title of the original article...
Quote from: whatlez on October 01, 2013, 12:51:32 PM
So the title says Martin quit?
Yeah when it broke they thought he had already made a decision
better?