@FOXSportsNews: Essendon captain Jobe Watson admits to taking banned substance AOD-9604 but insists he has done nothing wrong #AFL
That is huge news! When did this come over?
It's banned now wasnt back then
Quote from: _wato on June 24, 2013, 11:00:22 PM
That is huge news! When did this come over?
Said it On the Couch
He won't get in trouble; he told ASADA about him taking this ages ago, if he was going to be banned it would have already happened most likely.
Pretty sure it's just a growth hormone too not an anabolic steroid as has been reported.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2013, 11:02:40 PM
It's banned now wasnt back then
Yes but although it wasn't banned it wasn't endorsed by the AFL so there's a fine line they're cutting. We'll all find out soon enough though through ASADA won't we!
David Culbert @Culbert_Report 5m
In almost every other sport Jobe Watson would be banned immediately after admitting taking a banned drug. He can't possible play this week.
But.... :( I was going to trade him in this week.
Luckily my current bench cover is Titchell and KMartin.
But Barlow and Watson might be on the pine soon... :(
Quote from: vinny on June 24, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
But.... :( I was going to trade him in this week.
So was I but had a couple of other issues. If he misses this week it could work to my advantage
My opponent this week has Watson 8)
"AOD9604 is banned by WADA since 1 January 2011.
It's use is a doping violation"
I don't think it matters if jobe told anyone. you'd reckon that the WORLD anti doping agency trumps the Australian one.
if found guilty the Bombers should be stripped of their points. Jobe lose his Brownlow. Large fine. no first round picks for 5 years or more.
This is some serious sh!t.
This isn't something small like a salary cap breach
not denying his work rate or that he isn't a gun.
but he won a competition for the best and "fairest"
Melbourne get a fine for tanking
Crows give up a couple of picks for salary cap cheating
And you think Essendon will lose first round picks for 5 years.? Your dreaming
I'm sure he told ASADA the same thing is not stupid enough to say otherwise on TV
It wasnt banned when he was taking it either
Can't actually be convicted of something that wasn't illegal at the time you did it.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 25, 2013, 08:09:43 AM
It wasnt banned when he was taking it either
"AOD9604 is banned by WADA since 1 January 2011.
It's use is a doping violation"
he admitted to using AOD9604 in season 2012, so yes it was banned.
salary cap breaching while yes its wrong and cheating is no where near the level this is under.
spending more money allowed than another club is not the same as giving your players an unfair advantage over every other c*nt out there who worked their asses off.
you're right the AFL probably won't do sh!t coz they're weak but it's wrong nonetheless.
at the very least strip the Brownlow off Watson if not don't call it the best and "fairest" anymore
I agree he should be stripped from his brownlow and essendon need to be punished in some sort of way.
I keep hearing that it isn't actually on the banned list. It's just not on the approved list which by some is considered the same thing.
If it's not approved, it is banned.
Seems more of a violation to me if something is actually written down in black and white as banned as opposed to something that isn't.
Not a Jobe owner but wouldn't be worried if I was. Jobe clearly isn't silly, I don't think he would have made those comments unless he knew he was in the clear
That does make sense.
I suspect more than one club was into the non banned but non approved gear.
Should we suggest a hefty fine and a few draft picks as penalty?
50% of the fine to m0nty! ;D
My understanding of the whole "AOD-9604 substance", was that it wasn't actually banned but a chemical/ingredient, which is contained within the AOD-9604 is actually banned...
And as said previously, I'm sure Jobe/Bombers wouldn't have said the comments without knowing the possible outcome of talking about the whole drug issue...
Give the brownlow to Mitch and that spud from Richmond although i doubt neither of them would want to win it like.
If it happened to a club interstate the AFL would want their heads on plates and start handing out hefty fines and start sacking some players.
If Jobe Watson wasnt a Watson, Jobe woulld not be playing again this year.
Quote from: Noz on June 25, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
If it happened to a club interstate the AFL would want their heads on plates and start handing out hefty fines and start sacking some players.
do people outside of victoria actually believe this is true? that there's some kind of persecution mentality, implied or otherwise? utter, utter nonsense. the governence of the league is by the same body that elected to disband the VFL back in the 80s, surely their vested interest would be to- if anything- favour the interstate clubs to ensure the success of their decision. realisticly there is no bias though, which is the way it should be.
I just think the afl drug policy is weak whether its recreational/performance enhancing.
1. Recreational - 3 strikes + you don't get a strike if you ask to be tested!
2. In most other workplaces if you are caught with drugs in your system you are likely to be terminated
3. If the afl used cycling's policies, Jobe would be stripped of his brownlow, essondon would lose their points and Jobe would get a ban from the afl (a bit harsh glad it's not that strict because he is a star)
4. The people who administered the drugs must have known it was a banned WADA substance! If not use google it's not hard to find the info!
5. Yes the drug wasn't banned by ASADA at the time but it was banned by WADA so it must have been known it wasn't above board!
6. Does anyone remember when Shane Warne took a banned substance! Stood down from competing for 12 months!!
All in all, I love watching Jobe play and think he is a star but i really want to know, how are the afl taking the use of a banned drug (WADA) so casually.
Quote from: fever on June 25, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: Noz on June 25, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
If it happened to a club interstate the AFL would want their heads on plates and start handing out hefty fines and start sacking some players.
do people outside of victoria actually believe this is true? that there's some kind of persecution mentality, implied or otherwise? utter, utter nonsense. the governence of the league is by the same body that elected to disband the VFL back in the 80s, surely their vested interest would be to- if anything- favour the interstate clubs to ensure the success of their decision. realisticly there is no bias though, which is the way it should be.
What's worse tanking or breaching a salary cap?
I think tanking because it ruins the integrity of the sport! And Melbourne only lost money, no draft picks to correct the extras they got!
Where adelaide breached salary and got fined Picks, doesn't make sense! In saying that afl is weak compared to NRL where the storm got the book thrown at them!
I talked a bit about this a while ago in the Bombers forum, I'll make a quick summary post here:
AOD-9604 - What does it do? It's unclear if it upregulates natural growth hormone, or acts as it's own compound with the same effect. Either way, it provides a boost to fat metabolism, helping shed extra kilo's compared to exercising alone. It has a secondary effect of being anabolic (meaning it helps build muscle) but this is a more minor effect and definitely wouldn't be the primary use for it. That being said, it's not called "growth" hormone for no reason. However, given the name (AOD = Advanced Obesity Drug), the research has primarily been conducted in overweight people, so there's every chance it would actually do nothing in athletes (speculation on my behalf).
Is it legal? Almost certainly not, given that WADA have a policy that any drug or supplement not yet cleared through clinical trials is deemed unsafe and thus banned. They have a nice big blanket clause for that one. The actual banned list is reserved for compounds that have been trialled and accepted for use, 99.9% of the time for therapeutic reasons, but open to abuse by athletes. These compounds could give them an unfair competitive advantage, and thus WADA bans them.
As a general rule, if the supplement on it's own can make you harder, fitter, faster or stronger (thanks daft punk), it will be banned. If it's a supplement that helps you train harder but the improvements are still entirely contingent on your training, generally it will be ok. Then certain sports have sub categories for banned things - like alcohol - illegal in accuracy type sports because it can stop nerve tremors, making you more accurate (like archery or darts). But if you choose to go get drunk then run a marathon, you're an idiot and it provides no advantage, so not banned.
End effect: I think nothing will happen to the bombers to be honest. It would be a big commercial problem - no doubt there will be policy changes and some heads will roll but I think it woon't be players themselves, more likely the high performance staff (which have already been culled). There are a few technicalities and get out of jail free cards but by absolute strictest interpretations, anyone who took AOD-9604 could get a lengthy stint on the sidelines. I just don't think the rules will be interpreted in their absolute form given the situation.
Also what do people think is worse for afl taking drugs or getting extra money?
Jobe Watson took drugs- ATM no punishment
Kurt Tippett got some extra cash- 12 week suspension!
Quote from: disco1992 on June 25, 2013, 10:24:21 AM
Quote from: fever on June 25, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: Noz on June 25, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
If it happened to a club interstate the AFL would want their heads on plates and start handing out hefty fines and start sacking some players.
do people outside of victoria actually believe this is true? that there's some kind of persecution mentality, implied or otherwise? utter, utter nonsense. the governence of the league is by the same body that elected to disband the VFL back in the 80s, surely their vested interest would be to- if anything- favour the interstate clubs to ensure the success of their decision. realisticly there is no bias though, which is the way it should be.
What's worse tanking or breaching a salary cap?
I think tanking because it ruins the integrity of the sport! And Melbourne only lost money, no draft picks to correct the extras they got!
Where adelaide breached salary and got fined Picks, doesn't make sense! In saying that afl is weak compared to NRL where the storm got the book thrown at them!
couple of things to note here. firstly, and while only technical it is still important, melbourne weren't found guilty of tanking. they were fined for the actions of Chris Connoly and Dean bailey in discussing the merits of not giving their team the best chance to win. Whilst everyone else with a brain would call that tanking the afl were careful to not go down that path due to the legal can of worms they would open themselves up to if they did.
secondly, the afl were the ones that dangled the carrot of the compensation pick as incentive for teams to underperform/lose. it would be massively unfair to thump someone for taking advantage of a gaping loophole that you yourself had left open.
re adelaide, i would argue that the club got an appropriate penalty for blatantly and flagrantly breaking the rules, as opposed to melbourne who weren't even found to have broken any rules, and that steven trigg got off with such a light slap on the wrist as to almost be laughable.
Travis Casserly takes two cold and flu tablets Sudafed = 2 year ban
Wade Lees only imports banned steroid = 1.5 year ban (ASADA pushed for 2 years)
Kane Goodwin done for Cocaine and an anabolic steroid = 2 year ban
Dean Cadwallader done for anabolic steroid = 2 year ban
Jobe Watson takes AOD 9604 = ??
He is a champion and I really really really want him to get off but i just dunno what will happen here. ASADA don't take prisoners
Quote from: Ricochet on June 25, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
Travis Casserly takes two cold and flu tablets Sudafed = 2 year ban
Wade Lees only imports banned steroid = 1.5 year ban (ASADA pushed for 2 years)
Kane Goodwin done for Cocaine and an anabolic steroid = 2 year ban
Dean Cadwallader done for anabolic steroid = 2 year ban
Jobe Watson takes AOD 9604 = ??
He is a champion and I really really really want him to get off but i just dunno what will happen here. ASADA don't take prisoners
Fair points Ricochet, I guess the thing to consider is intent - I don't know about Casserly, sounds like there has to be more to it than just that... But the others - if they're importing/using anabolic steroids, there is intent there. I genuinely believe that the bombers were likely duped into thinking AOD-9604 was either not banned or were given incorrect accounts of the effects of it. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of red flags - "we want to inject you with stuff" - number 1. But equally I believe it is unfair to expect that athletes must train to be competitive but are still held responsible for what they take - they simply don't have the time or education to be able to make well-informed decisions about nutrition/supplements/ergogenic aids. I think there has to be a point at which the players themselves are not liable, if I'm a medical/high performance staff member, who comes at you with an injection saying "take this, it's totally legal and will help you fight off colds", you really have no way of knowing if I'm right. It could be cyanide, or it could be saline. I wouldn't expect an athlete to tell the difference - that's the reason the staff are there.
Slam the club, absolutely. Strip them of points, draft picks, and yes probably take Jobe's brownlow off him. But I don't think player bans are warranted, there's a difference...
Quote from: GCSkiwi on June 25, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 25, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
Travis Casserly takes two cold and flu tablets Sudafed = 2 year ban
Wade Lees only imports banned steroid = 1.5 year ban (ASADA pushed for 2 years)
Kane Goodwin done for Cocaine and an anabolic steroid = 2 year ban
Dean Cadwallader done for anabolic steroid = 2 year ban
Jobe Watson takes AOD 9604 = ??
He is a champion and I really really really want him to get off but i just dunno what will happen here. ASADA don't take prisoners
Fair points Ricochet, I guess the thing to consider is intent - I don't know about Casserly, sounds like there has to be more to it than just that... But the others - if they're importing/using anabolic steroids, there is intent there. I genuinely believe that the bombers were likely duped into thinking AOD-9604 was either not banned or were given incorrect accounts of the effects of it. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of red flags - "we want to inject you with stuff" - number 1. But equally I believe it is unfair to expect that athletes must train to be competitive but are still held responsible for what they take - they simply don't have the time or education to be able to make well-informed decisions about nutrition/supplements/ergogenic aids. I think there has to be a point at which the players themselves are not liable, if I'm a medical/high performance staff member, who comes at you with an injection saying "take this, it's totally legal and will help you fight off colds", you really have no way of knowing if I'm right. It could be cyanide, or it could be saline. I wouldn't expect an athlete to tell the difference - that's the reason the staff are there.
Slam the club, absolutely. Strip them of points, draft picks, and yes probably take Jobe's brownlow off him. But I don't think player bans are warranted, there's a difference...
Yep completely agree that the Club should cop the most of this. Just pointing out that ASADA only deal with black and white, there isn't a grey area.
On Casserly it was reported he took Sudafed for ongoing Hay Fever issues, but it does give you a kick like say Nodoz will
And if Matthew Knights was still the head coach while all this was going on he would have been stood down instantly .
Quote from: disco1992 on June 25, 2013, 10:24:21 AM
What's worse tanking or breaching a salary cap?
i agree both are bad, but tanking is kind of a hard thing to define.
i mean, is what Melbourne doing now considered as tanking??
you can clearly see they give up half way through a game... is not trying tanking??
Melbourne is a sh!t club, been for a while (no offence to any DEES fans) and some play with no heart or if they do they realize its of no use and give up anyways, so to say they tanked its a bit harsh.
and the cap breach, yes its wrong but all you are doing is paying out of the salary cap, you are not actually "improving" your players and giving them an unfair advantage over the opposition.
thats why i personally reckon the AFL, ASADA, WADA and whoever f*cking else should come down hard.
Carlton's cap breach cost them $930K and draft picks for 3 seasons.
this is way worse, they should be punished very harshly depending on how many players get "caught" doping.
5 years draft pick restrictions, 1st and 2nd round.
$1.5m fine
and player bans
the AFL are weak and wont do any of this IMO, they'd rather look after the image of the f'n game and their pockets then do anything serious, but its not in their hands anymore it comes down to ASADA.
Does this mean all SC points from Jobe will be stripped. 8)
I was cautious of loading up with Essendon players at the start of the season for this reason. Worried they would be banned or something. Will supercoach compensate if they are banned? :o Gonna leave some people in a pickle f they have popular players like , Hibberd, Heppel, Jobe, Ryder etc and they are all banned. Obviosuly only a slight possibility of this happening but still
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-25/jobe-liable-for-drug-use-wada?utm_medium=RSS
THE WORLD Anti-Doping Agency has reaffirmed the banned status of AOD-9604 after Essendon captain Jobe Watson admitted he'd been injected with the substance.
Watson insists he has done nothing wrong, having followed advice from Essendon medical staff, and he was surprised by WADA's statement last month confirming the drug was banned.
But WADA president John Fahey said on Tuesday "nothing has changed" and repeated the obligations athletes are under.
"You are responsible for what goes into your system, it's a strict liability," Fahey told AFL.com.au.
"Now whether or not there's any mitigating circumstances depends on individual cases, and that's a matter for ASADA who are currently investigating it.
Fahey wouldn't comment specifically on Watson's revealing interview on Fox Footy's On The Couch program on Monday night.
"I won't comment on that, that's a matter for ASADA ... any comments I make would only complicate that," he said.
Fahey said he had no issue with the time the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was taking to investigate the allegations against Essendon.
"Lance Armstrong, start to finish, took somewhere like two and three-quarter years. These things take what they take, it's as simple as that," Fahey said.
The WADA boss said his organisation would review the Bombers' case only once the ASADA and AFL process had finished.
"We look at the results when it's concluded, we look to see if the code is being applied correctly, if it hasn't been applied correctly we have the right of appeal," Fahey said.
He said WADA could lodge an appeal on behalf of either his organisation or an accused athlete if it believed they had been treated unfairly.
"We can appeal on behalf of either if we don't believe the code has been applied in a correct manner," he said.
It is unlikely the League will make any comment about Watson's revelations on Tuesday.
On Tuesday morning, Watson's father Tim told radio station SEN he supported his son and said Essendon players were certain they hadn't taken a banned substance.
Quote from: Ricochet on June 25, 2013, 01:17:50 PM
On Tuesday morning, Watson's father Tim told radio station SEN he supported his son and said Essendon players were certain they hadn't taken a banned substance.
And Carl Williams' mum thought he was an angel! ::)
Quote from: tor01doc on June 25, 2013, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 25, 2013, 01:17:50 PM
On Tuesday morning, Watson's father Tim told radio station SEN he supported his son and said Essendon players were certain they hadn't taken a banned substance.
And Carl Williams' mum thought he was an angel! ::)
Yeah exactly...
In relation to Ricochet's full post, I think it will be the "mitigating circumstances" that will heavily affect any penalties dished out. Fahey spells it out nicely though, strictly speaking, athletes are responsible and AOD is banned. I don't believe that is in dispute. With Jobe saying he doesn'y believe he took a banned substance, is that based on nothing more than the affirmations of club staff that the injections being given were legal? Because in that scenario I could totally understand that viewpoint even if it was wrong...
If anyone that missed the interview last night and can watch Fox Footy, they are about to show it again now
I cant see how they will get away with not banning the whole list if they were all part of the injections.
As Ricochet pointed out the other athletes caught taking items much less severe (cold and flue tablets?!!), who also pleaded they thought they were ok, got dealt with pretty harshly.
The WADA people keep coming out saying that the athlete has a responsibility to ensure they know exactly what is being injected into them. Saying the club told me it was alright isnt going to cut it.
Things like having to sign a waiver and getting the injections off site wont help the cause of football club or player if these things are true, should make any normal person think twice about what was going on.
I just watched the interview, he is screwed.
well IF he is screwed, why haven't ASADA acted yet? what would they be waiting for?
Quote from: fever on June 25, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
well IF he is screwed, why haven't ASADA acted yet? what would they be waiting for?
He blatantly admits that he took a banned substance and said that he knew he was taking this substance.
To quote from earlier
QuoteBut WADA president John Fahey said on Tuesday "nothing has changed" and repeated the obligations athletes are under.
"You are responsible for what goes into your system, it's a strict liability," Fahey told AFL.com.au.
He is going to be in deep shower. The worst thing he could have done was stating he had taken the substance in question through the media
The only thing you can think they are waiting for is to complete the investigation on the entire club before releasing their findings on individuals
Say Essendon plays are banned.
Supercoach will compensate, won't they ?
yeah but it's not like asada wouldnt have already known, since they interviewed him weeks ago and it undoubtedly would've come up. so what are they waiting for?
edit: in reply to mat
Guys guys guys, nothing is going to happen. Essendon would've told him to shut up about it if they were in any doubt that he could get into trouble.
Quote from: quinny88 on June 25, 2013, 01:13:42 PM
I was cautious of loading up with Essendon players at the start of the season for this reason. Worried they would be banned or something. Will supercoach compensate if they are banned? :o Gonna leave some people in a pickle f they have popular players like , Hibberd, Heppel, Jobe, Ryder etc and they are all banned. Obviosuly only a slight possibility of this happening but still
Same here Quinny, I only grabbed Goddard and have given the others a wide berth. Call me over cautious but I heard from someone fairly high in the Essendonian's that the AFL actually has another fixture based on 17 teams ready to roll out if Essendon gets 'banned' this season. Don't boo me, just throwing out what I heard.
i dont think anyone would care about supercoach points when there are bigger issues at hand when dealing with drug... some ppl just don't have their priority right.
Quote from: vinny on June 25, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
Say Essendon plays are banned.
Supercoach will compensate, won't they ?
Who knows, I don't think they would unless the club is forced to forfeit games. It would work as any other suspension I assume
Quote from: fever on June 25, 2013, 02:02:42 PM
yeah but it's not like asada wouldnt have already known, since they interviewed him weeks ago and it undoubtedly would've come up. so what are they waiting for?
edit: in reply to mat
Honestly who knows. Unless ASADA and WADA say one thing and do another, the admission on TV is not a good thing.
Quote from: BratPack on June 25, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
Guys guys guys, nothing is going to happen. Essendon would've told him to shut up about it if they were in any doubt that he could get into trouble.
I doubt they knew he was going to admit to taking the substance. Bomber was asked by Mark Robinson on 360 if he had said to stop the injections which he said I can't answer that.
It was effectively an admission of guilt followed up with, I don't think I have done anything wrong.
Quote from: Mat0369 on June 25, 2013, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: BratPack on June 25, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
Guys guys guys, nothing is going to happen. Essendon would've told him to shut up about it if they were in any doubt that he could get into trouble.
I doubt they knew he was going to admit to taking the substance. Bomber was asked by Mark Robinson on 360 if he had said to stop the injections which he said I can't answer that.
Right and they wouldn't have said to him "If they ask you about anything that pertains to the investigation, just say I can't answer that or no comment"? Come on now, they knew it would be asked. Nothing is going to happen to Jobe or any other player, Bomber Thompson on the other hand is flowered
So should I bring Watson in this week or not ? :-\
Quote from: vinny on June 25, 2013, 02:17:18 PM
So should I bring Watson in this week or not ? :-\
I wouldnt. Get Griffin if you dont have him already
Quote from: BratPack on June 25, 2013, 02:16:43 PM
Right and they wouldn't have said to him "If they ask you about anything that pertains to the investigation, just say I can't answer that or no comment"? Come on now, they knew it would be asked. Nothing is going to happen to Jobe or any other player, Bomber Thompson on the other hand is flowered
Well then the media manager at the Bombers should get the sack. In no way is it a smart idea to admit through the media, even if you have behind closed doors in the interview that you have taken a banned substance. Considering the governing bodies in WADA and ASADA claim that ignorance is not an excuse, he just effectively played that as his defense in a public forum.
It might not be right but hearing the words come out of Watson's mouth, that is not good at all
Quote from: quinny88 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: vinny on June 25, 2013, 02:17:18 PM
So should I bring Watson in this week or not ? :-\
I wouldnt. Get Griffin if you dont have him already
Griffin has done his ACL, plus he is a ruckman not a midfielder.
Quote from: quinny88 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: vinny on June 25, 2013, 02:17:18 PM
So should I bring Watson in this week or not ? :-\
I wouldnt. Get Griffin if you dont have him already
Hmm I am not sure I can handle his price tag in my situation. Could you maybe take a look at my post in Rate My SC Section and chuck me some advice. It is called " Help Save My Side. Will Cheer. "
Thanks :)
Quote from: ??? on June 25, 2013, 02:24:25 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: vinny on June 25, 2013, 02:17:18 PM
So should I bring Watson in this week or not ? :-\
I wouldnt. Get Griffin if you dont have him already
Griffin has done his ACL, plus he is a ruckman not a midfielder.
Yep pretty sure he meant Griffen and everyone figured that out...
Quote from: Frozensage on June 25, 2013, 02:06:03 PM
i dont think anyone would care about supercoach points when there are bigger issues at hand when dealing with drug... some ppl just don't have their priority right.
It is a SC discussion board. :o
It is beyond me how a player can admit to taking a banned substance (yes it is banned under S0 of WADA) and still expect to play the following week. In any other sport, once you admit to taking a banned substance, you're gone.
Surely the AFL need to step in here before footy becomes the laughing stock...
Ps. I have Watson in my DT too.
Quote from: insano on June 25, 2013, 03:29:08 PM
It is beyond me how a player can admit to taking a banned substance (yes it is banned under S0 of WADA) and still expect to play the following week. In any other sport, once you admit to taking a banned substance, you're gone.
Surely the AFL need to step in here before footy becomes the laughing stock...
Ps. I have Watson in my DT too.
it's only been banned this year
Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room?
There is allegedly a document from ASADA giving the green tick of approval to the use of AOD-9604 issued at the time they started their supplement program. It is understood that at the very least Stephen Dank has this document in his possession, and it is likely Essendon have a copy too. Now that ASADA are back-peddling does not mean it is immune from a legal challenge - of which Essendon would have a strong case if this is true.
The other possibility is that Stephen Dank defrauded Essendon and ASADA by producing false documentation, in which case it will be a matter for the police.
Secondly, even what WADA says is open to debate. WADA said in a statement dated 13th febuary 2013 page 40 that AOD-9604 is not prohibited to the australian crime commission. While they are saying it is illegal now, does not mean it is not open for legal dispute when they have issued contrary statements in the past.
Thirdly, whether ADO-9604 has not been sufficiently trialled is also debatable. There have been a few human trials - and what's more, when prepared by a compounding chemist for human use, apparently different rules apply.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-says-essendon-captain-jobe-watson-will-be-allowed-to-play-this-week-despite-drugs-admission/story-fni5f6kv-1226669557254
THE AFL will not stop Jobe Watson playing this week despite the Brownlow medallist admitting he took the banned drug AOD-9604 in the 2012 season.
Watson's public revelations were already known to the AFL via the joint ASADA-AFL investigation, and the AFL knows how many players have taken the anti-obesity drug.
The AFL maintains its stance the process of the investigation must be completed before ascertaining if any penalty on a player or on the club is required.
The Bombers face West Coast in Perth on Thursday night.
Essendon is expected to clarify Watson's comments this afternoon by declaring the club has not conceded banned drugs were administered to players.
Following Watson's comments last night that he believed he took AOD-9604, the Bombers' stance centres on whether the anti-obesity drug is a banned substance.
But former Australian anti-doping boss Richard Ings says he can't see how Bombers players can escape penalty.
In almost every other sport Jobe Watson would be banned immediately after admitting taking a banned drug. He can't possible play this week.
— David Culbert (@Culbert_Report) June 24, 2013
The world anti-doping authority has today reaffirmed its stance that AOD-9604 is a banned substance under category S0, which states substances not approved for human use are prohibited at all times.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 25, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
it's only been banned this year
Its actually been banned for much longer.
Any drug which is not on their "approved list" is banned. This drug in question has never been on the approved list.
Quote from: milisha98 on June 25, 2013, 03:39:17 PM
Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room?
There is allegedly a document from ASADA giving the green tick of approval to the use of AOD-9604 issued at the time they started their supplement program. It is understood that at the very least Stephen Dank has this document in his possession, and it is likely Essendon have a copy too. Now that ASADA are back-peddling does not mean it is immune from a legal challenge - of which Essendon would have a strong case if this is true.
The other possibility is that Stephen Dank defrauded Essendon and ASADA by producing false documentation, in which case it will be a matter for the police.
Secondly, even what WADA says is open to debate. WADA said in a statement dated 13th febuary 2013 page 40 that AOD-9604 is not prohibited to the australian crime commission. While they are saying it is illegal now, does not mean it is not open for legal dispute when they have issued contrary statements in the past.
Thirdly, whether ADO-9604 has not been sufficiently trialled is also debatable. There have been a few human trials - and what's more, when prepared by a compounding chemist for human use, apparently different rules apply.
What he said...........
Does anyone really believe Watson would say such a thing if they didn't think they where clear? No one is that stupid. He would have known a question like that was coming long before he went on the show, and I am very sure essendon would have some type of media manager too.
I say good on him, they admitted it happened, admitted they thought it was legal. And the jury is still out on the decision. Lots of loopholes and ASADA/WADA have not made things clear enough. Bombers will get a fine out of this and heads have already rolled but the players will be fine, and so they should be.
Quote from: insano on June 25, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 25, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
it's only been banned this year
Its actually been banned for much longer.
Any drug which is not on their "approved list" is banned. This drug in question has never been on the approved list.
The have also said its only been banned since Feb this year so who knows wtf the real story
Statement from EFC:
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-06-25/club-statement.workstation
There is still an ongoing investigation by the AFL and ASADA initiated by the Essendon Football Club.
The Club and our players are fully cooperating with the investigation. This is a complex and difficult area, but our club considers that our players have acted reasonably during the 2012 season.
The Club notes that it is yet to be determined whether any of our players in the 2012 season were given prohibited or performance enhancing substances.
We look forward to the finalisation of the ASADA investigation, and we thank our members for their ongoing support of our club and our players.
Just watched the 7 news segment on the topic and it's actually ridiculous what they're saying. They're acting as if ASADA had no idea that Essendon players had actually taken AOD-9604 until yesterday. To my knowledge, Essendon believes that the drug was legal at the time and therefore no action in relation to the players or the club should be taken until that is proved otherwise.
AFL says Watson is free to play this week despite his admission.
I worked for over 15 years as a producer on commercial television. In my experience re interviews deemed to be "controversial", with possible legal implications, the person interviewed(read Watson) as well as his employer(read Essendon Football Club) and other associated parties (read Dank, WADA, ASADA) and their legal advisers would have been issued with a full rundown of the questions to be asked of Watson. More than likely Watson and EFC would have then sat down with their legal departments and considered whether to answer the questions in the form presented or to request amendments be made and approved before the interview took place. Only after any requested amendments were made by the TV producer would Watson, EFC and their legal reps then agree to the interview and map out Watson's response to the questions, from which he would not deviate. Those are the nuts and bolts of it. and more than likely there would have been substantial toing and froing before a final script of the interview would have been agreed upon. Anyone who believes that Watson simply rocked up and told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth to some hack like Mike Sheehan is living in a dream world.
My gut feeling is that this whole package has already been finalised by the parties concerned, and that the AFL will more than likely maintain its silence until an agreed upon date of release of its findings. From a public relations viewpoint there is too much at stake here (possible tip of the iceberg) for the Afl to do much more than slap Essendon's hand, get them to sack one or two people, and maybe pay a fine and promise not to do it again blah blah blah.
on AFL 360 last night Robbo stated he had contacted Watson's manager and EFC and that they were shocked with what Watson had said. He stated that Watson had gone rogue and had been advised to make no comment
Found a bit of AFL 360. There was more to it but this is all i can find so far
http://www.foxsports.com.au/AFL/afl-360-did-jobe-go-rogue/video-e6frf33l-1226669819124?subcat=1225914646252&site=FoxSports