ha.
wtf.
I think I want to throw up.
Probably won't win a game all year
Utter embarrassment.
Gold Coast and GWS will both beat us if this round is any indication of performance, skills and gameplan.
We will win the wooden spoon.
Surely James Aish can't end up at Melbourne :o
Power ;D
Some credit to Ken Hinkley, Port were fantastic
Port impressive no doubt....
But with upset wins to Suns and Dogs, and a decent effort by the Giants, the Demons look the worst in the comp
just a shame they can't be coached to TRY.
port was the same last season, they just didn't put in for 4 quarters every game.
that effort is a culture , a mindset , has to be created and coached. I fear the Dees have nothing but this result ahead of them, and that is such a shame for the starts they have recruited and the fans.
also a shame for the club because if they cannot address it not a single star recruit will stay with them, just to play with a team that doesn't work as hard as they do. and is guaranteed NOT to have success as a result.
Quote from: Jayman on March 31, 2013, 05:21:18 PM
Surely James Aish can't end up at Melbourne :o
Rarther that than GWS
Melbourne will need an AFL intervean for a priority pick
It's Demetrious fault they are so bad, stuck down the bottom in compromised drafts!
It's Melbourne's fault because they were coached to lose, and the impact on the players was catastrophic.
Quote from: ossie85 on March 31, 2013, 06:23:22 PM
It's Melbourne's fault because they were coached to lose, and the impact on the players was catastrophic.
controversial comment
but purely accurate and clearly apparent.
And to think people were saying they could make the 8 after their "awesome" recruiting strategy..
Quote from: quinny88 on March 31, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
And to think people were saying they could make the 8 after their "awesome" recruiting strategy..
So coach will be sacked at some point but who takes over, not Craig surely? Though wouldn't be the worst thing to happen recently!
But then who? :o Neil Craig 2014 :o Roos? Lyon :o :o Bomber Thompson? :o :o :o
They need someone like this, develop kids but play attacking footy while adapting real pressure, but who? ???
maybe port is just awesome this year?
Quote from: tbagrocks on March 31, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 31, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
And to think people were saying they could make the 8 after their "awesome" recruiting strategy..
So coach will be sacked at some point but who takes over, not Craig surely? Though wouldn't be the worst thing to happen recently!
But then who? :o Neil Craig 2014 :o Roos? Lyon :o :o Bomber Thompson? :o :o :o
They need someone like this, develop kids but play attacking footy while adapting real pressure, but who? ???
I think Neeld will be gone before the end of the season to. Weather people like it or not the club has gone a long way backwards since he took over. Lets not forget that at the end of 2011 a lot of people thought Melbourne were going to make the finals in 2012, then enter Neeld and they have slipped down hard and fast with an awkward list that includes a couple of young future guns, some washed up players from other clubs and a heap of rubbish in between.
Personal opinion is that they don't need someone that is trying to sell a game plan and use excuses of it taking time to get the game plan right. They don't have the blokes to carry out a Collingwood style game plan. they need a motivator that will strip back the club, not look for any quick fixes and start at baisic game play #1 and work their way through. Don't know much about Neil Craig but Roos is a bit more of a strategic coach and I don't think bomber doesn't look like someone that would be up for the challenge these days. Ken Hinkley would have been perfect, not sure who else is out their but it would need to be someone hard and respected that gets the best out of average players. Leigh Matthews? Kevin Sheedy? Wouldn't happen but there the kind of guys they need.
Maybe even Chocco Williams! But don't take him from tiger land :P
Quote from: Ziplock on March 31, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
maybe port is just awesome this year?
Now you're just being silly Zip.
But on a more serious note, if there were football Gods this would be exactly the purgatory the Melbourne Football Club would desrerve.
What has happened there is a terrible thing on a number of levels.
* an AFL team has been given tacit approval by their administrators and coaches to fail, with the obvious intention of gaining a future advantage in the draft
*this has impacted severely on not only the lists morale and ability to win, but also on their supporters who deserve much much better. It's a proud club with a rich history.
l think the worst part about the whole thing is the denial which AFL administrators seem to show and the pathetic penalties that were imposed. The system rewards failure and needs to be adressed.
Last of all there needs to be a broom put through the club and get rid of anyone who had any part whatsoever in the tawdry affair.
Melbourne supporters deserve for their club to be restored to their former greatness. The club needs a strong and fearless leadership who are prepared to do the hard yards and not seek success based on planned failure.
Anyway that's my rant .......sorry, l got a bit carried away
I think it says a lot when their (possibly) best player for the match was a guy playing his first AFL game.
Don't expect the Dees to go anywhere soon.
well adelaide went from what, 14th in 2011 to 2nd (on the HA ladder) in 2012 didnt they?
what if port's this years adelaide?
just saying, it might be a bit too early to heap punishment on them, perhaps wait until they play some quality opposition?
Quote from: Ziplock on March 31, 2013, 11:16:18 PM
well adelaide went from what, 14th in 2011 to 2nd (on the HA ladder) in 2012 didnt they?
what if port's this years adelaide?
just saying, it might be a bit too early to heap punishment on them, perhaps wait until they play some quality opposition?
Completely different situation than Adelaide though zip, Port are a team full of kids.
Lets not forget they only beat Melbourne... I expected them to win comfortably, maybe not by that much but still.
They start the year with some easy games. Big test is Adelaide in a couple of weeks
Rodan, Byrnes, Pederson ????
These just never seemed like names to drag a poor club up the ladder. When Sheedy recruited Brogan, Power & Corns he got off-field leadership from Premiership players to mentor the kids. The irony is he also got McDonald.
Melbourne lack leadership on & off the field, its sad & will be tough.
So does the club need a culture shift and which players need to be sacked?
Watts?
Sellar?
Dunn?
Mckenzie?
Tapscott?
Quote from: Cruiseon on April 01, 2013, 01:13:25 AM
Rodan, Byrnes, Pederson ????
These just never seemed like names to drag a poor club up the ladder. When Sheedy recruited Brogan, Power & Corns he got off-field leadership from Premiership players to mentor the kids. The irony is he also got McDonald.
Melbourne lack leadership on & off the field, its sad & will be tough.
Very well said, was shocked to see Rodan and Byrnes picked up by a bottom club, especially Rodan. An impact player who offers very little to the club going forward beyond this season. I really don't understand what the coaching staff had in mind as the best case scenario when they took a punt on these guys. Will get worse before it gets better any time soon unless some of these 50-100 gamers show some spine like Viney did today becuase those new recruits aren't exactly leaders.
I thought Rodan was one of the best, the whole team was bad, but Drod good, the coach will be gone soon
Quote from: quinny88 on March 31, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
And to think people were saying they could make the 8 after their "awesome" recruiting strategy..
People actually said that? ??? Since when was giving high amounts of money to spuds like Dawes an awesome recruiting strategy?
Pedersen will be a handy stop gap and a replacement for Stef Martin as a guy who can play forward back and spell in the ruck. Guys like Byrnes, Rodan and Dawes are interesting pick ups.
Quote from: Cicjose on April 01, 2013, 02:03:52 AM
So does the club need a culture shift and which players need to be sacked?
Watts?
Sellar?
Dunn?
McKenzie?
Tapscott?
These two guys actually play with some balls. Tapscott is an angry kid who likes to throw his body around with a long boot, Melbourne just have been using him in awkward positions. With the right coaching he could be a poor mans Chappy. Jordie is their best tagger and also has some mongrel about him. If you were looking at the list from the outside, these are two kids you want to keep.
Obviously not looking good for them at the moment
I am taking a quick look at the list and I might do a quick write up as to who looks to be an actual keeper
I am going by player number order for this
Nathan Jones: Keeper, with out a doubt in their top 5 players. Is not a number one midfielder but is a good player to have in a core group. Also provides leadership
Jack Watts: Trade bait, see what you can get for him at seasons end. He has 22 rounds to prove everyone wrong, but he might get the Travis Johnstone tag of a high under performing draft pick who might be suited somewhere else without the pressure.
Jimmy Toumpas: Keeper, young high draft pick in his first season. Looked silk in the NAB cup but when he gets more games he will become a goal kicking mid.
Chris Dawes: Lumped with his contract which is bad if it is accurate to what was reported. Can't do much with him now but let it play out
Viney: Absolute star in his first game. Was best on ground for the Dees.
James Frawley: Keeper, I like Chip Frawley. I don't think he benefits from having the ball pumped inside 50 all game on a repeat basis, and although he looks to have stagnated, he could still be a premier back in the comp. Only turning 25 this season
Trengove: Captain just needs to get some continuity into his footy, has been injured often
Byrnes: Stop gap player who is their to compete with Davey for the small forward role in the team and provide some pace. Not sure how long he has on his deal but I think will be gone after next season
Clark: Has played really well, just keeps getting injured
Col Sylvia: Turns 28 this year, obvious trade bait at seasons end. He is a quality player when he is on, just is not on enough and has had trouble with his body.
McKenzie: Keeper, number 1 tagger at the club, tackles well and could be good in building an unsociable style of football around him, Jones, and Viney in the guts
Dunn: Huge kick, never really been able to put it all together, probably gone
Rodan: Stop gap option, probably gone although he played well
Sam Blease: Keeper for now. If he learns to lower his eyes, the kid will be a weapon. Exceptional pace, backs himself in when he has the ball, just blazes away to often.
James Strauss: Not sure, injured his leg badly and I have not heard or seen him since.
Col Garland: Keeper for now. Would be the ideal 3rd tall in the back 6, shows glimpses but then again, the back 6 are under constant pressure
Pedersen: Stop gap guy but would provide good depth later on
Josh Tynan: Young kid, not sure on his ability as I have not really seen him play
Tom McDonald: Keeper, young kid who has a good build and might be the CHB in the back 6.
Dan Nicholson: Keeper, small defender, still young, shows glimpses of ability and was impressive in games last year.
Tom Gillies: I was not a huge fan of him at the Cats. I don't think he will be anything more then a depth player
Joel MacDonald: Gone at the end of the year
James Selllar: Gone at the end of the year
Grimes: Captain and a gun. Would fit in well on the wing in the ideal side
Michael Evans: Have not seen him play enough, will reserve comment
Dom Barry: Same as Evans
Dean Kent: Looked the goods in the NAB. Will be a keeper
Tapscott: I have him as a keeper. Has a lot of aggression which he needs to learn to channel at the contest and not the man. Still young, has a big boot, would like to see him play a Chapman role for Melbourne as a high half forward and rotating through the middle
Davey: Gone at the end of the year
Gawn: Huge kid, needs time to develop and will be the replacement for Jamar
Howe: Obvious keeper
Neville Jetta: Probably gone at the end of the season
Jamar: Keeper for as long as he is still performing.
Rohan Bail: The last of these guys I am going to do, but if he can ever get fit he will be handy providing run off the wing
Jesse Hogan will be in the team next year, so the coach does have a lot of talent he can still work with. If you can get a decent pick for Jack Watts and hit the next selection at the draft all hope is not lost. There is a good young core coming through. It is not unrealistic to finish top 8 in 2 years time but the improvement needs to come through the players.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 31, 2013, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on March 31, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 31, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
And to think people were saying they could make the 8 after their "awesome" recruiting strategy..
So coach will be sacked at some point but who takes over, not Craig surely? Though wouldn't be the worst thing to happen recently!
But then who? :o Neil Craig 2014 :o Roos? Lyon :o :o Bomber Thompson? :o :o :o
They need someone like this, develop kids but play attacking footy while adapting real pressure, but who? ???
I think Neeld will be gone before the end of the season to. Weather people like it or not the club has gone a long way backwards since he took over. Lets not forget that at the end of 2011 a lot of people thought Melbourne were going to make the finals in 2012, then enter Neeld and they have slipped down hard and fast with an awkward list that includes a couple of young future guns, some washed up players from other clubs and a heap of rubbish in between.
Personal opinion is that they don't need someone that is trying to sell a game plan and use excuses of it taking time to get the game plan right. They don't have the blokes to carry out a Collingwood style game plan. they need a motivator that will strip back the club, not look for any quick fixes and start at baisic game play #1 and work their way through. Don't know much about Neil Craig but Roos is a bit more of a strategic coach and I don't think bomber doesn't look like someone that would be up for the challenge these days. Ken Hinkley would have been perfect, not sure who else is out their but it would need to be someone hard and respected that gets the best out of average players. Leigh Matthews? Kevin Sheedy? Wouldn't happen but there the kind of guys they need.
Maybe even Chocco Williams! But don't take him from tiger land :P
Paul Roos = what we all want
Gary Lyon, too soft to do it! Yep! Step up Gary and do it you softy
Mark Williams, staying at tigers, why wouldn't he
Terry Walllace?
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 01, 2013, 04:20:28 AM
I am going by player number order for this
Nathan Jones: Keeper, with out a doubt in their top 5 players. Is not a number one midfielder but is a good player to have in a core group. Also provides leadership
Jack Watts: Trade bait, see what you can get for him at seasons end. He has 22 rounds to prove everyone wrong, but he might get the Travis Johnstone tag of a high under performing draft pick who might be suited somewhere else without the pressure.
Jimmy Toumpas: Keeper, young high draft pick in his first season. Looked silk in the NAB cup but when he gets more games he will become a goal kicking mid.
Chris Dawes: Lumped with his contract which is bad if it is accurate to what was reported. Can't do much with him now but let it play out
Viney: Absolute star in his first game. Was best on ground for the Dees.
James Frawley: Keeper, I like Chip Frawley. I don't think he benefits from having the ball pumped inside 50 all game on a repeat basis, and although he looks to have stagnated, he could still be a premier back in the comp. Only turning 25 this season
Trengove: Captain just needs to get some continuity into his footy, has been injured often
Byrnes: Stop gap player who is their to compete with Davey for the small forward role in the team and provide some pace. Not sure how long he has on his deal but I think will be gone after next season
Clark: Has played really well, just keeps getting injured
Col Sylvia: Turns 28 this year, obvious trade bait at seasons end. He is a quality player when he is on, just is not on enough and has had trouble with his body.
McKenzie: Keeper, number 1 tagger at the club, tackles well and could be good in building an unsociable style of football around him, Jones, and Viney in the guts
Dunn: Huge kick, never really been able to put it all together, probably gone
Rodan: Stop gap option, probably gone although he played well
Sam Blease: Keeper for now. If he learns to lower his eyes, the kid will be a weapon. Exceptional pace, backs himself in when he has the ball, just blazes away to often.
James Strauss: Not sure, injured his leg badly and I have not heard or seen him since.
Col Garland: Keeper for now. Would be the ideal 3rd tall in the back 6, shows glimpses but then again, the back 6 are under constant pressure
Pedersen: Stop gap guy but would provide good depth later on
Josh Tynan: Young kid, not sure on his ability as I have not really seen him play
Tom McDonald: Keeper, young kid who has a good build and might be the CHB in the back 6.
Dan Nicholson: Keeper, small defender, still young, shows glimpses of ability and was impressive in games last year.
Tom Gillies: I was not a huge fan of him at the Cats. I don't think he will be anything more then a depth player
Joel MacDonald: Gone at the end of the year
James Selllar: Gone at the end of the year
Grimes: Captain and a gun. Would fit in well on the wing in the ideal side
Michael Evans: Have not seen him play enough, will reserve comment
Dom Barry: Same as Evans
Dean Kent: Looked the goods in the NAB. Will be a keeper
Tapscott: I have him as a keeper. Has a lot of aggression which he needs to learn to channel at the contest and not the man. Still young, has a big boot, would like to see him play a Chapman role for Melbourne as a high half forward and rotating through the middle
Davey: Gone at the end of the year
Gawn: Huge kid, needs time to develop and will be the replacement for Jamar
Howe: Obvious keeper
Neville Jetta: Probably gone at the end of the season
Jamar: Keeper for as long as he is still performing.
Rohan Bail: The last of these guys I am going to do, but if he can ever get fit he will be handy providing run off the wing
Jesse Hogan will be in the team next year, so the coach does have a lot of talent he can still work with. If you can get a decent pick for Jack Watts and hit the next selection at the draft all hope is not lost. There is a good young core coming through. It is not unrealistic to finish top 8 in 2 years time but the improvement needs to come through the players.
Appreciate the effort in that :)
Fair calls, but Watts is a keeper. Had one bad game yesterday and was number 1 in the AFL for intercept possessions in Round 8-15 last season. I like the kid. Still only 22 which is strange to hear sometimes given the amount of times we hear him criticised.
They changed 1/4 of their team I suggest that it would take time for them to gel together as a team.
We did have 20 players that played less than 100 games but we have spent most of that time working together and discovering each others strength and weaknesses.
It's Clarks first game playing with Dawes do It would take time to work together
Midfield was quite bad they need a new ruckman Jamar and Seller can't cut it anymore. Honestly can't remember the last time they drafted one. Fitzpatrick and Spencer can't ruck.
I'll be doing a write up/ analysis later today.
dees still have couch too kid is a flaming superstar, must have banged the coaches wife or run over his dog not to get a game in that team.
look forward to your analysis MTTY.
my view is the obvious no brainer view - lack of effort, means a problem at the leadership/coaching/club level.
plenty of talent in he side, but the fans don't care about it being a young list who will lose lots, they care about the effort.
i feel for the players and the fans, boo's for the home side by their fans at the G is horrible - justified but not nice.
i think most people want to see the dee's get it together being our oldest footy club but it's going to take some changes i feel and i think as much as grimes gives his 110% every game and he and trengove may be future starts of the game
are they leaders? yet? i wouldn't want to throw the blame at them in their second year of captaining but some of it is them (leadership) but most of it has to be above them..
port gave up and didn't try in patches (too many) last season, new captain, new coach, don't look to me like having any of that "lack of effort or discipline" about them this season.
but time will tell, a few big losses will test their mettle but i like what i see at port so far and think SOMEONE or SOME ONES has put a rod in their backs and made them stand taller and work harder and believe.
leadership and coaching ?
Quote from: Colliwobblers on April 01, 2013, 01:09:49 PM
dees still have couch too kid is a flaming superstar, must have banged the coaches wife or run over his dog not to get a game in that team.
look forward to your analysis MTTY.
my view is the obvious no brainer view - lack of effort, means a problem at the leadership/coaching/club level.
plenty of talent in he side, but the fans don't care about it being a young list who will lose lots, they care about the effort.
i feel for the players and the fans, boo's for the home side by their fans at the G is horrible - justified but not nice.
i think most people want to see the dee's get it together being our oldest footy club but it's going to take some changes i feel and i think as much as grimes gives his 110% every game and he and trengove may be future starts of the game
are they leaders? yet? i wouldn't want to throw the blame at them in their second year of captaining but some of it is them (leadership) but most of it has to be above them..
port gave up and didn't try in patches (too many) last season, new captain, new coach, don't look to me like having any of that "lack of effort or discipline" about them this season.
but time will tell, a few big losses will test their mettle but i like what i see at port so far and think SOMEONE or SOME ONES has put a rod in their backs and made them stand taller and work harder and believe.
leadership and coaching ?
Are you talking about Tom Couch Colli, or Brad Couch from the Crows. I think Tom is/was on the rookie list
Quote from: Colliwobblers on April 01, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
Yes Dudge :)
Tom is couch
Brad is crouch
Damn, beat me to it u speed demon lol
deleted mine :) i only get the coaches name wrong not the kids :)