Had Viney and Daniher not gone to father/son picks and if Crouch and O'Meara were in the national draft what do you think the top 5 would have looked like?
I reckon:
1. Daniher
2. O'Meara
3. Viney
4. Crouch
5. Whitfield
My opinion:
1. Daniher
2. O'Meara
3. Whitfield
4. Viney
5. Toumpas
O'Meara
Whitefield
Crouch
Daniher
Toumpas (because victorians are stupid)
If Viney turns into a better player than either Crouch or Toumpas i'll call Taylor Walker a spud
The draft wouldn't have gone like this, but time will reveal the true order.
Mix Gary Ablett snr with Paul Chapman and you've got Jake Stringer. His leg will heal and he will be in the top 3 players from this draft. It's not my bias talking. Toumpas is as polished as Whitfield and they're battling it out as the best midfielder. Viney and Crouch are more grunt, but Jimmy and Lochie have the class. Daniher is a ruckman but doesn't know it yet. He'll be sensational. Jesse Lonergan will be under rated his whole career but he will be one of those guys who gets the job done, James Bartel and Brad Sewell style.
1. Daniher
2. Stringer
3. Toumpas
4. Whitfield
5. Lonergan
Agree with Meow only thing i would change is possible Stringer at 1 and Daniher at 2, Stringer will be a big star and a quality player.
I wouldn't really call Bartel underrated, he did win a Brownlow after all.
Quote from: Chelskiman on February 05, 2013, 01:39:43 AM
I wouldn't really call Bartel underrated, he did win a Brownlow after all.
I'll agree, anyone who underate Jimmy Bartel clearly does have little idea of football, though those who might call him overated have no clue at all :o
But yeah JB has been one of my favorites
Stringer at No 1? No, that's why he wasn't selected in the top four, but a great pick for the WB, if only they'd picked Membrey as well
I would have it:
1. O'Meara
2. Daniher
3. Whitfield
4. Toumpas
5. Crouch
O'Rourke and Plowman were selected where they were because GWS wanted their position, not because they were the next best.
I reckon it was a real toss-up between O'Meara and Daniher for 1 & 2
Viney would not have been top 5
The Crows probably would have taked Whitfield over Crouch if he were eligible for the mini-draft.
I haven't seen enough of Stringer to make a comparison
Stringer would of gone top 3 if he never broke his leg.
Quote from: Noz on February 05, 2013, 10:24:55 AM
Stringer would of gone top 3 if he never broke his leg.
+1, before he broke his leg, he was rated as one of the best young players.
Would have almost certainly went in the top 3.
I'd probably have it at:
1. Daniher
2. O'Mera
3. Whitfield
4. Crouch
5. Toumpas
1. Daniher - good KPP/Ruck prospects are hard to come by.
2. Stringer - would have gone mini draft if not for his leg, absolute powerhouse of a utility.
3. O'Meara - why did GC give up their top picks last year? The kid is good.
4. Whitfield - a talented & classy mover, good reason why he was the actual #1.
5. Toumpas - another classy user of the ball rounds out my top 5.
I agree with meow in that Crouch and Lonergan will probably be underrated their whole careers, but think the classier ball users were more deserving of a place in my top 5.
Viney wouldn't have gone Top 5, that's why Melbourne didn't have to use their #3 pick to secure him :o
haha, everyone rating Daniher as a top 3 pick is basically wrong. GWS had the first 3 picks, and we didnt need a key forward, and, as you can see since he passed on grundy at 14, a ruck wasn't exactly necessary either.
It would have gone like this
1. Omeara
2. Whitfield
3. Plowman
4. Daniher
5. Stringer
Omeara and Whitfield were the best mids available, Plowman at 3 since GWS were targetting a keyback, Daniher at 4 to melbourne... him and hogan in a few years would be scary, with Stringer dropping in at 5th again.
their rankings purely on ability? Honestly, we won't have any indication of that until the end of the year at the earliest :P
How the hell did 2 people say Viney at 2 or 3 or 4. He could of gone to the GC at that number... And Crouch could of played in 18's like 10 times better than anyone this year.
Quote from: Ziplock on February 07, 2013, 01:31:53 AM
haha, everyone rating Daniher as a top 3 pick is basically wrong. GWS had the first 3 picks, and we didnt need a key forward, and, as you can see since he passed on grundy at 14, a ruck wasn't exactly necessary either.
It would have gone like this
1. Omeara
2. Whitfield
3. Plowman
4. Daniher
5. Stringer
Omeara and Whitfield were the best mids available, Plowman at 3 since GWS were targetting a keyback, Daniher at 4 to melbourne... him and hogan in a few years would be scary, with Stringer dropping in at 5th again.
their rankings purely on ability? Honestly, we won't have any indication of that until the end of the year at the earliest :P
I reckon everyone was basing their top 5 on ability/potential, not which clubs had which picks.
1. Daniher
2. O'Meara
3. Whitfield
4. Crouch
5. Toumpas
I'm really surprised to see everyone rating daniher so high.
what club bid on him before essendons pick?
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 01:17:12 AM
I'm really surprised to see everyone rating daniher so high.
what club bid on him before essendons pick?
Port Adelaide did with pick 7 :)
so that means that despite clubs before port like WBD needed a young kpf, they didn't big on him...
I reckon he would have just scraped into the top 5, if that.
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 01:45:55 AM
so that means that despite clubs before port like WBD needed a young kpf, they didn't big on him...
I reckon he would have just scraped into the top 5, if that.
Pretty much and considering when Grundy went
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 01:45:55 AM
so that means that despite clubs before port like WBD needed a young kpf, they didn't big on him...
I reckon he would have just scraped into the top 5, if that.
no but they would have. It only takes one club to make a bid for the FS-related club to have to use its first pick, and Port made the first bid
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 01:45:55 AM
so that means that despite clubs before port like WBD needed a young kpf, they didn't big on him...
I reckon he would have just scraped into the top 5, if that.
Yeah but you also think that Plowman is a key defender! He's an attacking half back in the Andrew Mackie mould.
Quote from: meow meow on February 09, 2013, 01:54:52 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 01:45:55 AM
so that means that despite clubs before port like WBD needed a young kpf, they didn't big on him...
I reckon he would have just scraped into the top 5, if that.
Yeah but you also think that Plowman is a key defender! He's an attacking half back in the Andrew Mackie mould.
haha, yeah I have a really bad habit of when I cbf researching a draftee, just assuming if they're over 190cm they're a kpp.
Quote from: Tominator on February 09, 2013, 01:52:57 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 01:45:55 AM
so that means that despite clubs before port like WBD needed a young kpf, they didn't big on him...
I reckon he would have just scraped into the top 5, if that.
no but they would have. It only takes one club to make a bid for the FS-related club to have to use its first pick, and Port made the first bid
ummm, yeah... but WBD had 5/6... which was before ports 7 obviously... therefore, if they thought daniher was 5/6 material, why didnt they bid on him? Just saying, like obviously they probably wouldnt get him, but theres no harm done in making the bid if on the off chance the dons decided that pick 10 was too much...
I did a quick google on plowman and anywhere that mentioned his specific role said he was a key defender :/
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 02:15:57 AM
I did a quick google on plowman and anywhere that mentioned his specific role said he was a key defender :/
I know Lachie. His old man does my tax returns. I've seen him play enough to tell you he's definitely not a key position back. Far too attacking and creative for that. He's the best bloke you could ever meet so let's hope he doesn't turn out like the last top 10 pick to go to Sacred Heart in Kyneton - Dylan Smith.
well, good to know then :P
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 02:13:33 AM
Quote from: Tominator on February 09, 2013, 01:52:57 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on February 09, 2013, 01:45:55 AM
so that means that despite clubs before port like WBD needed a young kpf, they didn't big on him...
I reckon he would have just scraped into the top 5, if that.
no but they would have. It only takes one club to make a bid for the FS-related club to have to use its first pick, and Port made the first bid
ummm, yeah... but WBD had 5/6... which was before ports 7 obviously... therefore, if they thought daniher was 5/6 material, why didnt they bid on him? Just saying, like obviously they probably wouldnt get him, but theres no harm done in making the bid if on the off chance the dons decided that pick 10 was too much...
yeah but because Port had made a bid for him (before any other club did) the AFL pretty much said to Essendon "you either have to take him with your first pick or pass on him altogether" ... so if Essendon passed on him -
if they were on the right drugs then who knows ;D - then I'm sure the Dogs or GWS would have grabbed him, because he will be a gun
pretty sure that's not how the bidding system works...