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very interested in this result think it will be close both guys coming off breakout seasons both priced about the same i think

both semi risky considering only really one solid season

should hide this thread from TBAG lol

You asking who will score more or who will win the brownlow? :P

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 04, 2013, 01:29:27 PM
very interested in this result think it will be close both guys coming off breakout seasons both priced about the same i think

both semi risky considering only really one solid season

should hide this thread from TBAG lol

Taylor Walker ;) Cotchin for me

Both men will be in the top 8, here's some interesting number crunches from when both dominated the last 8 rounds

Cotchen Rd 16-23, 29.5 disposals  at 125.5
Danger Rd 16-23, 29.25 disposals at 138

Also interesting is they were born only two days apart :o

Once again, even though Danger finished two points a game higher, lol at the Victorian bias ::)

I'll be starting with both ;)

Cotch.

Also, can people please tell me why they thing Cotch is more of a lock even though Danger out scored him? I really want to know this! Thanks :D, imo Danger is the best midfielder in South Australia since Andrew McLeod and could be the best to play AFL in this state, so why is Cotchen better ???

Quote from: tbagrocks on January 04, 2013, 03:50:34 PM
Also, can people please tell me why they thing Cotch is more of a lock even though Danger out scored him? I really want to know this! Thanks :D, imo Danger is the best midfielder in South Australia since Andrew McLeod and could be the best to play AFL in this state, so why is Cotchen better ???

tbag, mate, you are so biased towards the crows its not funny. cotchin is going to be as good as gary ablett was in three years. dangerfield i agree is a champion, but he doesn't have the same footballing ability as cotchin. cotchin is an all round great player, he adds many factors to his game such as being able to go forward and take contested marks and kick a bag. they will both be in the next best players for the 5 years but you don't have to get so angry and act like a smart ass when people are just give their opinions. thanks buddy

Cant believe the poll result ATM. Dangerfield IMO is the better option, and will no doubt be in my starting team.

If this was a DT discussion I would favour Cotchin, but Dangerfield is SC gold.

masedog i'm not getting angrey or being a smart ass, the poll is quite one sided even though Danger had a bigger average, so I asked a simple question on why this was the case, I wanted to hear peoples opinions on why they thing Cotchen is the better pick, rarther than just saying "Cotchen" I actually want to hear why!

In the end tbag it probably just comes down to personal preference.Both are guns.
Danger will be a good pod.
We all have differing opinions.
If we didn't life would be boring.

Quote from: greenmoon on January 04, 2013, 05:50:36 PM
In the end tbag it probably just comes down to personal preference.Both are guns.
Danger will be a good pod.
We all have differing opinions.
If we didn't life would be boring.

This is basically why I said Cotch. It's personal preference and maybe a bit of bias. If everyone says Cotch as is going to pick him then by all means go get Danger, you'll have a POD and I'm sure he'll do equally as well.

Can anyone tell me their SC averages from 2010 and 2011?
I think Cotch has always been a mid while Danger played more forward. I may be wrong.
This may explain people preferring Cotch. I like to start with players who have been doing it for more than one season.
At this point I won't be starting either. Can't fit them in with Ablett, Swan, Watson and Murphy. But things may change by rd1.

Cotchin is WAY more consistent, (Standard Deviation of 20.1) than Dangerfield (SD of 28.3), which is a big factor for me when deciding between premiums.

I also think Richmond SHOULD improve next season which will help Cotch's scoring. I can't see Adelaide getting much better.

I'd say I'll end up with both in my team by the end of the season, but mainly because of the consistency, I'll be starting with Cotch.

Right you are Bone! Danger only started regularly appearing in the guts in late 2011 when Bicks took over, but it wasn't until last year he got the gig. Then he was more a hard ball winner, getting little outside ball, but, as the year went on he started learning how to dominate the midfield, by the end of the year he was getting plenty of run and carry as well. Sure he had a poor finals series but he will learn from that!

Both men will most likely take over from Swan and Ablett in a couple of years, if that's even possible :P

     2010, 2011, 2012
Cotch 78, 100, 116
Danger 69, 80, 118

Dangerfield's not really inconsistant at all, he got more consistancy as the year went on, last 8 games had a low of 110, a season low of 86, he's 23 this year, more consistancy will follow, remember it was his first full year in the midfield!

The thing that most turns me off Dangerfield is the prospect of a good tagger on him week in, week out. Unless I'm talking crap (could be likely) the main tag always went to Scotty T. while Cotchin had the tag with him every round.

Also, round 13 bye.

Quote from: My Chumps on January 04, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Cotchin is WAY more consistent, (Standard Deviation of 20.1) than Dangerfield (SD of 28.3), which is a big factor for me when deciding between premiums.

I also think Richmond SHOULD improve next season which will help Cotch's scoring. I can't see Adelaide getting much better.

I'd say I'll end up with both in my team by the end of the season, but mainly because of the consistency, I'll be starting with Cotch.

Agree on the Richmond improving and crows probably going slightly backwards in term of win/loss ratio so should be more points on offer.

But danger will still slightly score better but cotchin has a better bye

Quote from: Southstorm on January 04, 2013, 07:47:44 PM
The thing that most turns me off Dangerfield is the prospect of a good tagger on him week in, week out. Unless I'm talking crap (could be likely) the main tag always went to Scotty T. while Cotchin had the tag with him every round.

Also, round 13 bye.

Danger got his fair share of tags, Sloane also gets it, Thommo will get it less as these two grow yep (please, please call him Thommo ;))

Danger is the sort of player a tag won't have much influence on, he's to quick, powerful and attacks it to hard!

dangerfield for an incredible end to the season plus a bit of uniqueness. i think there is so much bias towards cotchin just because he is victorian.

Dangermouse is a Victorian too.. he just plays for a team in shower australia
I mean "south" australia*

Nothing to do with Vic bias. It has more to do with people being people, especially in a Supercoach scenario.

"Danger has burn't me in the past". "I picked Danger two yrs ago to breakout."

"Cotchin is the brand new penny".

Not being derogatory to either player, just that maybe a large part of WHY.

First time writing. Big fan of the site!

Both players are insane supercoach jets of the future. Good to see the next wave of guns ready to take over (eventually) from ablett and swan. Cotchin looks so similar to ablett when he plays. I reckon that's why people are so swept up with him and his progression was more gradual than dangerfield.
Both players will learn to deal with the tag. Both have different attributes that when used are honestly untaggable. When dangerfield Hits a pack at his top speed which is obviously ridiculous at 90odd kilos who can stop that?

Both are locks for me, I hope dangerfield stays one of my PODs I feel very confident.

First of all some points I noticed in this thread-
Look at who Dangerfield played the final 8 rounds... Cotchin played against better teams.
Cotchins always been a superstar in the making, he just needed full pre-seasons, he's only had 1, and this is his second, with a bigger tank will be even better in 2013. He has the Gazza hunch too, which means you know he'll do well.

Won't vote on this one, can't and don't see the need to seperate them. As a question to get peoples point of views on their preferences between the two, I still can't split them. Ablett, Pendlebury, Dangerfield, Cotchin, Murphy and Fyfe are all locked and loaded. Cheers. Although considering swapping Mundy in for Pendles ( don't believe the price/points balance  is anywhere near accurate ) in order to gain better team scoring balance. Cheers.

That's all fine and good, but who would you compare Dangerfield to? The exeleration from packs of a Goodes, the hitting the ball like Robbo, the slotting goals like Buckley

Just who did Danger play in those last eight games where he averaged 138?

GWS, Essendon, Brisbane Gold Coast, Melbourne yes, he played these guys

However he also did this

Rd 17 v West Coast 138
Rd 18 v Geelong 133
Rd 20 v  Fremantle 187

the arguement on who he played (as usual as it does not seem to matter at all who people play to when they score) is floored

Quote from: Sabretooth Tigers on January 05, 2013, 03:52:52 AM
Won't vote on this one, can't and don't see the need to seperate them. As a question to get peoples point of views on their preferences between the two, I still can't split them. Ablett, Pendlebury, Dangerfield, Cotchin, Murphy and Fyfe are all locked and loaded. Cheers.

good luck in round 13 ::)

Quote from: My Chumps on January 04, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Cotchin is WAY more consistent, (Standard Deviation of 20.1) than Dangerfield (SD of 28.3), which is a big factor for me when deciding between premiums.

I also think Richmond SHOULD improve next season which will help Cotch's scoring. I can't see Adelaide getting much better.

I'd say I'll end up with both in my team by the end of the season, but mainly because of the consistency, I'll be starting with Cotch.

every year people think that the tigers are chance before round one and then they get smashed by the blues and there dream is over. I would take danger over cotch

This is off topic and I do say sorry . .
Just trying to catch tags for his thoughts  on b smith . .
Will he get more time in the mids . .,worth a spot in the back line in super coach . .,?

Does anyone else think that Crouch might take some points off of Danger? Very similar players...

Quote from: mudgee on January 05, 2013, 06:11:29 PM
Does anyone else think that Crouch might take some points off of Danger? Very similar players...

Surely not in Crouch's first year... maybe in one or two.

Danger is an absolute jet, by I would go Cotchin out of the two.

I'm going neither though. :o

Quote from: Adamant on January 07, 2013, 05:09:56 AM
Danger is an absolute jet, by I would go Cotchin out of the two.

I'm going neither though. :o

You crazy  :o

Im starting with Cotchin. My decision is probably slightly clouded by the fact that he's a tiger but at the end of the day you're not gonna loose out either way. They are both guns on the rise and will be top 10 mids imo

Quote from: Southstorm on January 04, 2013, 07:47:44 PM
The thing that most turns me off Dangerfield is the prospect of a good tagger on him week in, week out. Unless I'm talking crap (could be likely) the main tag always went to Scotty T. while Cotchin had the tag with him every round.

Also, round 13 bye.

Round 13 bye teams too dominant in mids (and defence too)