http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-31/preseason-guide-western-bulldogs
Burning: After struggling with injury and illness in past pre-seasons, Shaun Higgins is finally getting the preparation that will give him the best chance to make the most of his considerable talent. He played mainly as a half-forward in 2012, but the 24-year-old is eager to spend more time in the midfield this year, where his clean ball-use will complement Brendan McCartney's contested-style game-plan.
he's certainly underpriced- averaging 82 unsubbed, but considering he's shown he can hit nearly 90 before.... but does anyone have the gonads to pick him? The 2013 Jack Grimes of the forward line?
Nut sorry to say but he's chiseled into the never again list while most others are written in ink. :P
Couldn't see me going there really but weirder things have happened. ::)
Quote from: Grazz on January 01, 2013, 02:47:05 PM
Nut sorry to say but he's chiseled into the never again list while most others are written in ink. :P
Couldn't see me going there really but weirder things have happened. ::)
just saying, Jack Grimes was on that list for most people last year, and he beasted it :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 01, 2013, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: Grazz on January 01, 2013, 02:47:05 PM
Nut sorry to say but he's chiseled into the never again list while most others are written in ink. :P
Couldn't see me going there really but weirder things have happened. ::)
just saying, Jack Grimes was on that list for most people last year, and he beasted it :P
Yeah i didnt have the balls to put him in last year .. i will this year ;D
Sheesh I got to many cheaper forward options as it is, Wellingham and De Boer before Missy ;D With Dusty, Wright and Daisy in front of them, even Cloke before Missy :P
I started grimes last year and that was a lot risk than higgens
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Nut sorry to say but he's chiseled into the never again list while most others are written in ink. :P
Couldn't see me going there really but weirder things have happened. ::)
just saying, Jack Grimes was on that list for most people last year, and he beasted it :P
Yeh true, a never again list is always flexible if said player is the point of difference. Missy has the talent we've seen it but not for long enough, something always goes a miss. Jack was the same and i hope he can continue to build on last year but having said that he's still a worry for me health wise, another season like last i'll start to feel more confident, will have him at some stage if all goes well in 2013. With the amount of quality mid/fwds around Missy would need to be at his best and some maybe, to hold down one of only six spots now. I get the sentiment though you really cant say never again all you can say is he's on my list. :P
Quote from: Grazz on January 01, 2013, 05:50:58 PM
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Nut sorry to say but he's chiseled into the never again list while most others are written in ink. :P
Couldn't see me going there really but weirder things have happened. ::)
just saying, Jack Grimes was on that list for most people last year, and he beasted it :P
Yeh true, a never again list is always flexible if said player is the point of difference. Missy has the talent we've seen it but not for long enough, something always goes a miss. Jack was the same and i hope he can continue to build on last year but having said that he's still a worry for me health wise, another season like last i'll start to feel more confident, will have him at some stage if all goes well in 2013. With the amount of quality mid/fwds around Missy would need to be at his best and some maybe, to hold down one of only six spots now. I get the sentiment though you really cant say never again all you can say is he's on my list. :P
+ 1 .. If Missy Higgins kills it this year ill think about having him in 2014 :-\
big difference between being ballsy and stupidity
I'd make Tambling captain before i picked Higgins again ;D
Let's assume Rockliff gets some midfield time, Daisy and SJ stay healthy, Cox goes about his buisness, Wright and Dusty continue their development, at least one of Nic, Tex, Pav or Cloke go big, Zorko fires up again,
That's eight to choose without mentioning Chapman, Robbo, Lewis or Bartell
How's Missy going to make that top 6 ???
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 01, 2013, 03:21:11 PM
Sheesh I got to many cheaper forward options as it is, Wellingham and De Boer before Missy ;D With Dusty, Wright and Daisy in front of them, even Cloke before Missy :P
higgins only averaged 77 this year, meaning he's cheaper than all those blokes, except for cloke :P
Thats a lot of assumptions. And stop putting wright up there, he's not in the scoring league of any of those blokes.
How's higgins going to make top 6? by scoring more than all the other players :S There are concerns with all those blokes you've mentioned, higgins has always had the talent to explode, he just never has... if he stays healthy and gets more midfield time (as big assumptions are the ones you made), there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to average 100.
How big are your balls Zip? Care to place a wager? Wright out scores Higgins, you in?
haha, I never said he wouldnt outscore higgins, I just said he wasnt in the same league as rocky, daisy, SJ, COX, Pav etc.
that being said, I'd be pretty confident that higgins would outscore wright if fit- the only concern about him has ever been his injuries.
On top of that, he's what, 50k cheaper?
Players especially midfielders go from 80's to 100's every year, Sidebottom, Ebert, Grimes etc were great picks last year, some of the younger guys will do the same. I've been watching Wright come on in his two years of AFL and he has got it, kid can play, will be Adelaide's fourth mid unless Vince smashes it and he has every chance of going 95+
Is 95 enough for a top 6 ???
Imo Pav, Chappy, SJ even Cox will slide, getting the forwards right won't be easy, the hardest line to pick a top 6
What is Rocky stays forward, what if Cox plays forward more, how's Daisy's fittness, will Dusty step up, can Cloke hit back, Will Ryder play 20 games, does SJ play more forward with an emerging cats midfield
If any player gets an ave of 90+ and you start with them, say, De Boer, Higgins, Wright, Dusty, they would be a keeper, though with 30 trades you could swap for a SJ or Robbo etc if they are going better!
Personally I see value in Christensen, Dusty, Walker ::) and Wright. If they don't match the scoring of Daisy, Rocky, Pav etc then swap ;)
haha mate, you've just made my case for higgins, and destroyed your own, cheers.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 01, 2013, 07:23:52 PM
haha mate, you've just made my case for higgins, and destroyed your own, cheers.
That's just silly, how the frog did you come to that conclusion :o
I made a case for all young midfielders with dpp averaging under 90 last year, if like me, you pay attention to players development when you watch them, then it is easy to put them into your Dream Team :P
I was right about Vince, I was right about Walker, I was right about Sloane, i'll be right about Wright two! P.s the four players I told everyone about as they came through the system, and i'll be right about Rory Laird and Luke Brown too ;D
Quote from: zeddyzed on January 01, 2013, 06:30:28 PM
I'd make Tambling captain before i picked Higgins again ;D
+1. Picking Tambling as captain would be a great choice.
People are being swayed by one article during preseason? Wow. Higgo draws you in with his good looks and charm, but he's only going to hurt you.
Exactly... higgins isn't an old player dude, he's still pretty young.
As for vince, he's had one good DT season- the rest have been average, at best.
Walkers also only just had one good year...
and m2, I'm not saying that everyone should pick higgins, just that he's certainly underpriced, and has potential...
When I mentioned Walker, Vince, Sloane and Wright I was talking about their ability not DT, only been playing DT for a year and a half ;D anyway...
How many people started with Waters and Grimes last year? Well Waters was very cheap but I doubt many serious punters did
So then do we pick Missy and Hamstrings (Hartlett) this year?
You could yes, realistically both would be very good upgrade targets if they do stay sound and fire, though is both men play 22 games they would have to go close to top 6, Hamish would be a no brainer then as Port's best player!
With 30 trades you could start with one or both, easy to make the swap when they go down!
It's not about having the balls to get him, it's about having the brains to leave him out for ever. He's a muppet and a marshmallow, has the ability to be an elite forward but if u are considering him just push the delete my team button right now!
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 01, 2013, 09:12:08 PM
When I mentioned Walker, Vince, Sloane and Wright I was talking about their ability not DT, only been playing DT for a year and a half ;D anyway...
How many people started with Waters and Grimes last year? Well Waters was very cheap but I doubt many serious punters did
So then do we pick Missy and Hamstrings (Hartlett) this year?
You could yes, realistically both would be very good upgrade targets if they do stay sound and fire, though is both men play 22 games they would have to go close to top 6, Hamish would be a no brainer then as Port's best player!
With 30 trades you could start with one or both, easy to make the swap when they go down!
I started with waters... I was going to start with grimes, until he got injured pre-season, so I dropped him out of my team.
Couldn't fit him in anyway with all the other forward options.
I just scraped him in then, mostly just to see how he complemented my team.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 04, 2013, 11:33:09 PM
I just scraped him in then, mostly just to see how he complemented my team.
+1
Do you have the balls to get your HIGG INS? hahahahahahahahahahahaha
No, i don't
http://www.afldreamers.com/strategy/rids-never-again-list-finale-shaun-fing-higgins/
Quote from: Ziplock on January 02, 2013, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: tbagrocks on January 01, 2013, 09:12:08 PM
When I mentioned Walker, Vince, Sloane and Wright I was talking about their ability not DT, only been playing DT for a year and a half ;D anyway...
How many people started with Waters and Grimes last year? Well Waters was very cheap but I doubt many serious punters did
So then do we pick Missy and Hamstrings (Hartlett) this year?
You could yes, realistically both would be very good upgrade targets if they do stay sound and fire, though is both men play 22 games they would have to go close to top 6, Hamish would be a no brainer then as Port's best player!
With 30 trades you could start with one or both, easy to make the swap when they go down!
I started with waters... I was going to start with grimes, until he got injured pre-season, so I dropped him out of my team.
Zip is right on that one alot of serious dt players started waters. I was one of them he was part of the reason I got off to a strong start.
I haven't got Higgins at the moment but it would be silly to discount guys like him and hartlett. My concern is the dogs have a loaded midfield I'm not sure if he can average 90 again even fully fit. If I thought he could I would have him in my team.
There are a few key rules for how I play dt.
1. Load up the midfield early
2. Who cares about positions it's all about how much more can he score than a bench player.
3. Always take the injury risk player who can score over the player who the risk is scoring.
Rule 2 is why I might not be starting burger
Rule 3 is why rioli Sylvia Higgins hartlett are all on my short list
what bench ruckman could you possibly have who'd outscore even an unfit burger :S
Higgins could be called HigGUNs. As that's what he has the potential to be, but as the topic said, do you have the balls?
I started him in DT but not SC last year or vice versa...
Theis years w/ 44 trade it doesn't really matter. If they get injured at training (where probably half the injuries seem to occur) trade them out and it doesn't cost you any points or cash. If they kill it you get a huge advantage, well, not that huge as everyone can just trade them in.
Only time you get hurt lots is if they get injured @ before HT... if they're a good player and get injured in 3rd qtr, should still give you a reasonable (albeit below premium) score.
Quote from: Ziplock on February 10, 2013, 02:08:30 AM
what bench ruckman could you possibly have who'd outscore even an unfit burger :S
ahh but thats forgeting the most important part of the rule forget about positions.
My current Ruckline is Goldy Sandi.
I got the money to upgrade Burger to sandi by either downgrading a back premo to a back rookie.
Or a forward premo to varcoe/byrnes
people say burger is great value as a ruck but really varcoe could easily outscore burger.
haha, I really doubt it.
on one hand, you have a bloke coming off a serious injury who's averaged at a premium level before
on the other hand you have another bloke coming off a serious injury who's never averaged over 75 before.
I'm personally going to just wait and see how berger runs out the NAB
Berger is a Burger with the lot at Plain Hamburger price
He costs how much a plain hamburger does, but will taste like a tasty one with the lot.
Get on, flower Varcoe off.
Holzman speaks much wisdom.
and Nails is a poet - that is so beautifully put my friend.
Varcoe has been in my team most preseason only risk of him going is byrnes i think...
still if berger is fit he is a starter for me as a cash cow or a keeper IF HE IS FIT he is a lock.
on higgins and sylvia and hartlett and chaplin and several others that are either coming off injury or prone to injury, it is a gamble to pick them but with the new trade rules the cost of losing the bet is far less this season,
all fantasy fotball is a gamble, don't pick ablett he is expensive and may start slow, stevie J usualy does swan might, the gamble there is paying too much vs missing out on a massive score your opponent gets...
the rooks, might be named round one and flying in nab cup but may never play again.... or spud up in the real games or be vested every game, you just don't know so you do your homework and you
GAMBLE.
i won't be starting higgins, or sylivia or hartlett imo ;D
Alot of the skill this year will be picking which patches to target players.
Higgins starts with lions, freo, richmond, adeliade, gellong so not the greatest start.
A guy like hartlett who basically is the backline version of higgins
demonds, gws, crows, gc
Did anyone read the link I posted?
Quote from: Adamant on February 10, 2013, 02:56:08 AM
Did anyone read the link I posted?
yes quite funny, nothing new on higgins there but amusingly put.
I did take something out of the comments on using trades to remove injured or poor performing for that matter players are a total waste.
fact is if you pick risky picks sure you can trade them out with your two trades a week....
but you have to ask yourself while you are doing that with your trades, what is your opponent (everyone else) doing with their trades to improve their team instead of fix it like you have to.....
Quote from: Colliwobblers on February 10, 2013, 03:01:25 AM
Quote from: Adamant on February 10, 2013, 02:56:08 AM
Did anyone read the link I posted?
yes quite funny, nothing new on higgins there but amusingly put.
I did take something out of the comments on using trades to remove injured or poor performing for that matter players are a total waste.
fact is if you pick risky picks sure you can trade them out with your two trades a week....
but you have to ask yourself while you are doing that with your trades, what is your opponent (everyone else) doing with their trades to improve their team instead of fix it like you have to.....
they'll be using them to get higgins in ;)
personally I'm hoping for only at 85 odd average from higgins over the first handful of rounds- that way people wont jump on him and reap his 100+ average this year.
mwhahahahaha
Quote from: Holzman on February 10, 2013, 02:55:34 AM
Alot of the skill this year will be picking which patches to target players.
Higgins starts with lions, freo, richmond, adeliade, gellong so not the greatest start.
A guy like hartlett who basically is the backline version of higgins
demonds, gws, crows, gc
Now that is some wisdom shared people!
Higgins last 3 scores against Lions: 93, 81, 109
Freo: 90, 82, 30 (assuming injury)
Richmond: 114, 84, 106 (though the most recent tiges game was 2010)
Quote from: Nails on February 10, 2013, 04:51:12 AM
Higgins last 3 scores against Lions: 93, 81, 109
Freo: 90, 82, 30 (assuming injury)
Richmond: 114, 84, 106 (though the most recent tiges game was 2010)
+1 I researched this a while ago, he has a dream start. and first games at etihad!
My balls shrivle thinking about Higgins .. i might pick him up in Fantasy Elite tho
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on February 10, 2013, 01:39:08 PM
My balls shrivle thinking about Higgins .. i might pick him up in Fantasy Elite tho
Not if I pick him up first ;)
Quote from: Nails on February 10, 2013, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on February 10, 2013, 01:39:08 PM
My balls shrivle thinking about Higgins .. i might pick him up in Fantasy Elite tho
Not if I pick him up first ;)
Pick him up with your first pick .. No 3 ;)
F1 in my smokey team... join a league with me!
Higgins reminds me of when i was a kid and ate to much shortbread biscuits , cant even think about it without getting nauseous. :-\
haha! did the same thing with chocolate one easter! woke up at 5am and ate like the eggs intended for 6 children... couldn't eat chocolate for years and copped a hiding from my older cousins :P
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haha! did the same thing with chocolate one easter! woke up at 5am and ate like the eggs intended for 6 children... couldn't eat chocolate for years and copped a hiding from my older cousins :P
lol almost parallel my story, my Aunt made up trays of shortbread biscuits for me my brother and cousins. All night i was sneaking into the kitchen and grabbing handfuls of them until i got crook and boy was i crook, like a scene from the exorcist it was. Haven't been able to stomach them since. Have a similar tale about Bundaberg Rum later in life, cant stand the smell of it now. :P
higgins could come out and avg 120 this yeat, and i would still be fine with not picking him to start.
Really beginning to think starting team doesn't matter THAT much this year...
If you get a really great unique who kills it, people will just trade him in after 2 rounds, if someone is killing it, trade 'em in. You can fix a shower starting team too easy this year.
or, you can trade in chad cornes after 2 rounds ;)
Quote from: Nails on February 11, 2013, 03:21:48 AM
Really beginning to think starting team doesn't matter THAT much this year...
If you get a really great unique who kills it, people will just trade him in after 2 rounds, if someone is killing it, trade 'em in. You can fix a shower starting team too easy this year.
Tend to agree Nails, you may get a week or two jump on the rest of the field before everyone has jumped on. The key now is how quick you can fill up with prems. Your starting team for rnd 1 is still important but nowhere near as in the past as mistakes are easily fixed with no real damage done apart from your opposition gaining a cash cow etc that week while your fixing a mistake and gaining an advantage on you that way. I feel alot of coaches will opt for cookie cutter sides where they are more assured of points and leave the riskier options untill its glaringly obvious that a certain player is worth jumping on. Those that gamble and take a risk with POD's from rnd 1 that pay off will have a big advantage as ive got a gut feeling that a clever coach who gets a jump on the field is going to be alot harder to run down than in the past.
fractured and dislocated right elbow
broken ankle
groin issues
adductor
OP
thyroiditis
calf injury
hamstring
knee
He gets injured during matches so even with the extra trades he is too risky. I don't want a guy who is made out of tissue and can score 20 at any time.
Yeah I read Rids article. Doesn't look good for missy lol
Quote from: Vincent on February 11, 2013, 07:20:25 PM
fractured and dislocated right elbow
broken ankle
groin issues
adductor
OP
thyroiditis
calf injury
hamstring
knee
He gets injured during matches so even with the extra trades he is too risky. I don't want a guy who is made out of tissue and can score 20 at any time.
All the evidence I need to make a judgement.....
NO. 8)
Quote from: Ziplock on February 11, 2013, 12:54:15 PM
or, you can trade in chad cornes after 2 rounds ;)
Cant this year i think he's injured for the first 12 rounds atleast
*Reports that the Etihad surface is rock hard.
*Higgins misses the next week
A little birdy told me that Higgo has a fractured/broken bone in his foot.