Last year we saw many break out years from young guns in the competition, with the like of Dangerfield, Sidebottom, Beams, Cotchin, Kennedy, all becoming elites of the comp.
Which players do you think will it be this year. Swallow? Christensen? Dustin Martin 2.0?
I reckon Koby Stevens may be a chance. Mitch wallis possibly.
Fyfe to become a premium
Once martin gets his head right he will breakout as well, its up to him when it happens
Premium as in? Average?
I'd have to say breakout:
Def: 90+
Mid: 105+
Ruck: 90+
Fwd: 90+
the best way to define a premium are by however many positions there are on the field for the player, + 2 or 3, then look at the average. For instance, this year we have 6 defenders, 8 mids, 2 rucks, 6 forwards, so the 8th defender + can be defined roughly as premium, heppell at 85 average, the 8th forward robinson at 93, honestly for mids, only the top 8, 110+ are true premiums, but you can probably get away with top 10, so 105+, while rucks you'd say ryder up, so 90+
so similar to what you have :P
just being a premium doesnt make you a break out though... A. Swallow averaged 103 this year, hitting 105 doesn't mean he's broken out, while mclean only averaged 100, but last year he only averaged 67- that makes him a break out.
basically, it works like this,
Avg. this year average next year to be a break out
40 75
50 80
60 85-90
70 90-95
80 100
90 105
100 110
that's more of a midfielder guide though... for instance, we've defined premiums as 85+ for defenders, subsequently, if you get a 70 average defender who then averages 85, that can be defined as a break out.
I dunno if that was even the question though.
w.e, you have my answer :P
possibly the young eagle brigade of the likes of selwood and shuey. both have shown high ceilings and posted solid averages, just need to show more consistency, which should skyrocket there average :)
Nat Fyfe to become a 110-115+ player.
Lets see here,
Smith (Ade) 85-95,
Hartlett, if he can keep fit 100-114
Ziebell, 95-110
Darling, 90-100
Martin (Rich) 90-115
Bennell, 95-110
Heppell, 90-100
looking at the types of players that broke out last season, i think the best criteria are:
youth
gradual improvement
average of around 80 to 90
the players that best apply to this and the players i think might breakout are (in order):
1. matthew wright
2. duncan
3. grimes
4. christensen
5. zeibell
6. heppell
Siposs
Quote from: blewy09 on December 08, 2012, 12:23:04 PM
Siposs
+ Sipposs may play the Goddard role.
Hanneberry, Christansen, Conca, Martin, Ziebell, Wallis, C.Beams just a few names
Yarran aswell? love Hannebery and Ziebell
I think Ziebell is very overrated, but that's what everyone was saying about Danger last year...hope he surprises me.
Hannabery is an interesting one. with their draw being GWS, GCS, STK, NM and BRI in first 6 rounds he could realy start well.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 06:16:33 PM
Hannabery is an interesting one. with their draw being GWS, GCS, STK, NM and BRI in first 6 rounds he could realy start well.
Are you saying Brisbane is a bad team?
Quite a few good options for a breakout! Christensen and Hanneberry seem good ones ;)
Well, at the moment they are in the bottom half. And you score better against lesser teams so, yea.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 06:45:15 PM
Well, at the moment they are in the bottom half. And you score better against lesser teams so, yea.
We won 10 games, 2 years ago that would hve been good enough to be in 7th spot.
2 years ago, there was 3 teams in contention for the flag. now there is about 7.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
2 years ago, there was 3 teams in contention for the flag. now there is about 7.
2016 AFL Premires - Brisbane Lions
haha, doubt it. Gold Coast and GWS will be up there by then.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 06:52:58 PM
haha, doubt it. Gold Coast and GWS will be up there by then.
2016 Grand Final - GWS Vs. Brisbane
What makes you think Brisbane will be up so high in such a short time?
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
What makes you think Brisbane will be up so high in such a short time?
We have alot of good young players who will be at there best in that time.
You have good young players in the midfield and rucks. you have no kpp's.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
You have good young players in the midfield and rucks. you have no kpp's.
Lisle, Has he crossed your small mind. And we got guys training to take over from Brown
Ooh Lisle, he is going to dominate games within 3 years isnt he. Maybe you should wait for in your "small mind" is for Brisbane to get in the top 8 first. Then you have some grounds to say the are going to be up there.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:14:18 PM
Ooh Lisle, he is going to dominate games within 3 years isnt he. Maybe you should wait for in your "small mind" is for Brisbane to get in the top 8 first. Then you have some grounds to say the are going to be up there.
OK you win. Brisbane are never going to ever win a premiership again. They will never be in the 8 again and will be wooden spoon every year. Brisbane has no good players and ever will again. We will never see another brownlow or coleman meddilist again. GWS and Gold Coast are going to both win premerships before they're in the 8. You win mate.
Quote from: nrich102 on December 08, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:14:18 PM
Ooh Lisle, he is going to dominate games within 3 years isnt he. Maybe you should wait for in your "small mind" is for Brisbane to get in the top 8 first. Then you have some grounds to say the are going to be up there.
OK you win. Brisbane are never going to ever win a premiership again. They will never be in the 8 again and will be wooden spoon every year. Brisbane has no good players and ever will again. We will never see another brownlow or coleman meddilist again. GWS and Gold Coast are going to both win premerships before they're in the 8. You win mate.
LOL
Not what I was saying at all mate, but whatever. ::)
hahaha
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
Not what I was saying at all mate, but whatever. ::)
haha!
I agree though. Gun mids and rucks but not much else unfortunately. Lisle? Pfft
Quote from: Jayman on December 08, 2012, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
Not what I was saying at all mate, but whatever. ::)
haha!
I agree though. Gun mids and rucks but not much else unfortunately. Lisle? Pfft
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+ Sipposs may play the Goddard role.
Hanneberry, Christansen, Conca, Martin, Ziebell, Wallis, C.Beams just a few names
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Out of interest why do you think Clay Beams? Any Brisbane supporters do you also agree? Cheers.
I dont go for Brisbane, but I think Claye Beams will definently improve from this year. I dont think he will have a breakout year and average around 100, but I see him averaging anywhere from 75-85 if all goes well.
Quote from: blewy09 on December 08, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
+ Sipposs may play the Goddard role.
Hanneberry, Christansen, Conca, Martin, Ziebell, Wallis,
C.Beams just a few names
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Out of interest why do you think Clay Beams? Any Brisbane supporters do you also agree? Cheers.
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Beams averaged 81 this year if you take out his sub affected games. He also averaged 99 in the last three games so I reckon he can carry this form on 2013.
Here are some of my write ups on some break out contenders if anyone's interested
him.
Break Out Contenders
Daniel Hannebery
Hannebery is a SuperCoach gun in the making and has averaged 83, 84 and 82 in the last three years and is very durable, missing only three games since 2010. Hannebery stepped up in the big games for the Swans this year, averaging 109 SuperCoach points in the finals. He does have a big ceiling with four scores over 120 (not including finals) but he definitely needs to add some consistency to his game. He had five scores under 50 which shows he can go missing in some games. But with another pre season under his belt, he should continue to improve in 2013 and add some consistency to his game.
Mitch Duncan
Showing lots of promise in 2012, Duncan has shown in patches he will be a great player in the future, with five big scores over 100. Duncan averaged 80 SuperCoach points for the year and finished the year off averaging 97 from the last three weeks. Duncan does need some improvement, as he had 12 games where he scored under 80. If Duncan can add some consistency to his game, he may be someone to consider as a break out year in 2013 is looming.
Mitch Wallis
Entering his third season in 2013, Wallis is a prime candidate for a break out season. He will play every game if fit in this young Bulldogs line up and has showed some good signs that he will be a great player. He averaged 87 SuperCoach points in 2012 and that included six scores over 100. Wallis is the future for the Doggies and will be a SuperCoach gun, but will 2013 be the year he has a break out season?
David Swallow
The number one draft pick from 2010, he is one of the most talented young players going around. Swallow's 2012 season was ruined with injury only playing the 12 games and averaging 78 SuperCoach points, but if you take out his two games where he was subbed out, he averages 86. If Swallow can stay fit next season, he is surely ready to explode and with the help of Gary Ablett in the Suns midfield, Swallow could take his game to the next level.
Claye Beams
In 2013, I am hopeful Beams can have a season like his brother Dayne did this year. Claye Beams only played the eight games in 2012 for a 66 point average, but when you take out his two sub affected games, it bumps his average up to 81. He also finished the season in fine form averaging 99 SuperCoach points from his last three games.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 08:26:02 PM
I dont go for Brisbane, but I think Claye Beams will definently improve from this year. I dont think he will have a breakout year and average around 100, but I see him averaging anywhere from 75-85 if all goes well.
Finished the year with 80, 103 and 115. As a 21 year old that does sound very tempting...We know how Dayne has come along, hopefully Claye can too.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 08:26:02 PM
I dont go for Brisbane, but I think Claye Beams will definently improve from this year. I dont think he will have a breakout year and average around 100, but I see him averaging anywhere from 75-85 if all goes well.
We could tell from your argument with nrich ;D
haha, thought you might pick up on that.
From a Brisbane perspective and as most of you know call it as i see it as a Lions supporter and member. Beams although he may break out is still a huge risk. Has only played 13 games of Senior football. Of those 13 games he was sub twice but more fantasy relevant in 4 of those he was given a tagging role. Tagged Murphy against Carlton and only scored 60 SC points. Effectively only a second year player and not a lot of players advance in second year.
To bring a little balance to the last three games average which has got everyone exited the last 2 were against Port and Bulldogs, Without taking anything away from either of those 2 teams they are not challenging teams and easy to score against.
As much as I love Beams he will have pressure on him to remain in Brisbane's best 22. See Beams and McGrath fighting out a half forward spot with Beams in front at the moment.
Would love to be proved wrong though.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
You have good young players in the midfield and rucks. you have no kpp's.
I actually agree that Brisbane are a decent young side.
i love their midfield based around leuenberger, black and redden. Then they have rich, rockliff and Zorko as young supporting acts.
They have a solid defence and plenty of attack as well with adcock, mgrath and hanley as rebounding defenders.
Key position is the main issue obviously.
I think if someone other than brown manages to kick some goals, plus with their easy draw, Brisbane could be the surprise finalist for 2013.
A premiership in 2016 might be a bit ambitious though, especially with Gold Coast and gws dominating the competition by then! I wouldn't be surprised though, if they're up and around the top 4.
Quote from: blewy09 on December 08, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
Hanneberry, Christansen, Conca, Martin, Ziebell, Wallis, C.Beams just a few names
Out of interest why do you think Clay Beams? Any Brisbane supporters do you also agree? Cheers.
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C Beams is a gun. If he can get his body right he's a 2014 Lock.
Quote from: Footyrulz on December 09, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
You have good young players in the midfield and rucks. you have no kpp's.
I actually agree that Brisbane are a decent young side.
i love their midfield based around leuenberger, black and redden. Then they have rich, rockliff and Zorko as young supporting acts.
They have a solid defence and plenty of attack as well with adcock, mgrath and hanley as rebounding defenders.
Key position is the main issue obviously.
I think if someone other than brown manages to kick some goals, plus with their easy draw, Brisbane could be the surprise finalist for 2013.
A premiership in 2016 might be a bit ambitious though, especially with Gold Coast and gws dominating the competition by then! I wouldn't be surprised though, if they're up and around the top 4.
Thanks Footyrulz
To add to your comments Moloney will probably slot straight into the midfield to give us first use of the ball. An area where we were beaten badly this year,
Suspect Martin will be used as support for Brown and if he can gain 2010 form will be a solid performer.
Merrett will revert to the Key defender position as well.
Rockliff imo will also be used forward to add to our goal scoring capabilities.
Where do you think Polec will be used Ringo? I wonder if any of their young key forwards get a major go at it and could score nicely
Quote from: tbagrocks on December 09, 2012, 04:59:52 PM
Where do you think Polec will be used Ringo? I wonder if any of their young key forwards get a major go at it and could score nicely
TBH I see Polec struggling to make at team at best coming of the bench. We have great depth now in most areas. Personally I would like to see Lisle or Cornelius given an extended crack at the position as they look the best to fill position. Polec would be competing with Beams, Bewick. Green, Zorko for position.
Quote from: Ringo on December 09, 2012, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Footyrulz on December 09, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
You have good young players in the midfield and rucks. you have no kpp's.
I actually agree that Brisbane are a decent young side.
i love their midfield based around leuenberger, black and redden. Then they have rich, rockliff and Zorko as young supporting acts.
They have a solid defence and plenty of attack as well with adcock, mgrath and hanley as rebounding defenders.
Key position is the main issue obviously.
I think if someone other than brown manages to kick some goals, plus with their easy draw, Brisbane could be the surprise finalist for 2013.
A premiership in 2016 might be a bit ambitious though, especially with Gold Coast and gws dominating the competition by then! I wouldn't be surprised though, if they're up and around the top 4.
Thanks Footyrulz
To add to your comments Moloney will probably slot straight into the midfield to give us first use of the ball. An area where we were beaten badly this year,
Suspect Martin will be used as support for Brown and if he can gain 2010 form will be a solid performer.
Merrett will revert to the Key defender position as well.
Rockliff imo will also be used forward to add to our goal scoring capabilities.
Thats no good for SC though :(
Surely he is better suited to play midfield? He is Brisbanes best Mid IMO.
It would be like Richmond Playing Cotchin forward every game, just seems a waste
I don't think Brisbane will play RFockliff in the forward line as much since they drafted Mayes.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 09, 2012, 06:55:12 PM
I don't think Brisbane will play RFockliff in the forward line as much since they drafted Mayes.
I thought the main reason rocky was playing fwd this year was due to a niggling injury he has carried all year..(possible o.p :/)
As we all know how good he can play in the midfield...
Quote from: quinny88 on December 09, 2012, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: Ringo on December 09, 2012, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Footyrulz on December 09, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 08, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
You have good young players in the midfield and rucks. you have no kpp's.
I actually agree that Brisbane are a decent young side.
i love their midfield based around leuenberger, black and redden. Then they have rich, rockliff and Zorko as young supporting acts.
They have a solid defence and plenty of attack as well with adcock, mgrath and hanley as rebounding defenders.
Key position is the main issue obviously.
I think if someone other than brown manages to kick some goals, plus with their easy draw, Brisbane could be the surprise finalist for 2013.
A premiership in 2016 might be a bit ambitious though, especially with Gold Coast and gws dominating the competition by then! I wouldn't be surprised though, if they're up and around the top 4.
Thanks Footyrulz
To add to your comments Moloney will probably slot straight into the midfield to give us first use of the ball. An area where we were beaten badly this year,
Suspect Martin will be used as support for Brown and if he can gain 2010 form will be a solid performer.
Merrett will revert to the Key defender position as well.
Rockliff imo will also be used forward to add to our goal scoring capabilities.
Thats no good for SC though :(
Surely he is better suited to play midfield? He is Brisbanes best Mid IMO.
It would be like Richmond Playing Cotchin forward every game, just seems a waste
Feel free to disagree with me but remember the announcement by Voss that he will be managing Black this year to extend his career by using sub rule. This i believe will lead to Rockliff playing forward initially moving to mids when Black is subbed. Have said this along so nothing new here.
i agree with quinny on this one, surely Brisbane is a much better side with Rockliff playing in the middle.
pretty big decision for our SC sides haha
http://www.lions.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/152259/default.aspx
This article may change my mind on how often he plays forward. Know he is talking himself up but could be an indication of his desire and push this year, With the DPP should be a lock.
Looked great in training on Thursday as well.
Matthew Lobbe
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 09, 2012, 06:55:12 PM
I don't think Brisbane will play RFockliff in the forward line as much since they drafted Mayes.
Mayes is an 18 year old kid. I dont think they are going to be shifting any players around upon his inclusion just yet.
Quote from: Ringo on December 10, 2012, 05:49:37 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/152259/default.aspx
This article may change my mind on how often he plays forward. Know he is talking himself up but could be an indication of his desire and push this year, With the DPP should be a lock.
Looked great in training on Thursday as well.
Lets hope so Ringo. Would be great if his scoring went back to the likes of his 2011 season.
Just had a weird thought, I know he wont average around 100, but anyone think Tommy Bell could average 85+ nex year. He looked awesome last season.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 11, 2012, 12:01:49 AM
Just had a weird thought, I know he wont average around 100, but anyone think Tommy Bell could average 85+ nex year. He looked awesome last season.
What was his average last year??
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 11, 2012, 12:01:49 AM
Just had a weird thought, I know he wont average around 100, but anyone think Tommy Bell could average 85+ nex year. He looked awesome last season.
I think 80. Depends on Mick. Tommy like a tackle though, if he can improve decision making and skills he will be awesome. -Maybe score like Robinson in a yr or 2.
I think he only averaged about 65 last year, but tht is with 2 or 3 sub games. He could be a bit of a gamble in the backline.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 11, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
I think he only averaged about 65 last year, but tht is with 2 or 3 sub games. He could be a bit of a gamble in the backline.
So you reckon about 70 without those sub affected games? With the smaller backline this year would be harder to fit in players like this !
Yea it would be around that. I am pretty sure I am going to have Bock in the backline, but because he has dpp i could just move hime to fwd and then add bell.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 11, 2012, 12:23:45 AM
Yea it would be around that. I am pretty sure I am going to have Bock in the backline, but because he has dpp i could just move hime to fwd and then add bell.
yeh, but then you could lose your dpp link. Unless you have staker down back..
Andrew Gaff will surely improve on his 86 average this year, would expect at least high 90's pushing 100+ average for 2013
Bellchambers anyone has gone from strength to strength this season and with age still on his side could well average 95+.
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on December 13, 2012, 03:01:11 PM
Bellchambers anyone has gone from strength to strength this season and with age still on his side could well average 95+.
yep strongly considering him for my team
Can a guy who avg 98 last year be a breakout contender?
Quote from: SydneyRox on December 13, 2012, 03:41:16 PM
Can a guy who avg 98 last year be a breakout contender?
yeah, depends how much he can up his average by...
Cotch is an example.
Not sure if he's been mentioned and unless he can retain his D positioning it's not really SC relevant but David Myers is ready to go boom.
Looks like TRB finally realised he isn't a defender...His 2 best traits are very SC friendly (long kicking, clearances) so could be a smokey down back.
Quote from: Sid on December 13, 2012, 06:49:26 PM
Not sure if he's been mentioned and unless he can retain his D positioning it's not really SC relevant but David Myers is ready to go boom.
Looks like TRB finally realised he isn't a defender...His 2 best traits are very SC friendly (long kicking, clearances) so could be a smokey down back.
Defintley a chance to break out. Myers has talent, just yet to show or fully, reckon he could become a good player soon
Who does everyone think has the potential to break out for their own club and a couple of other clubs.
My team is Geelong, and I think Bundy, and Duncan could really step it up
Gold Coast I see David Swallow starting to ramp it up a bit more.
Brisbane I can see Daniel Rich to have a much better year.
For me (Richmond) i see a few potential breakouts in Ty Vickery and Reece Conca..
Reece Conca I can see, Ty Vickery a maybe IMO. Not sure he has what it takes. Did some good things a few years ago, but not sold on him yet. He seems very fragile.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 14, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
Reece Conca I can see, Ty Vickery a maybe IMO. Not sure he has what it takes. Did some good things a few years ago, but not sold on him yet. He seems very fragile.
Vickery will be a star. Don't know why people are writing him off?
Booted 40 goals last year as a 20 year old :o
2012 was injury affected and will be fit and firing in 2013. Expect another 40 goals from him. Conca as well, has heaps of talent. Isn't far off taking his game to the next level.
A few potential breakout players at the Dees
. Nathan Jones
. Daniel Nicholson
. Colin Sylvia ::)
. Jeremy Howe
Another Brisbane player who will be value if he continues his improvement will be Mitch Golby. Injured in round 14 but averaged 82 SC points for the 6 games prior.
Other players from Brisbane worth keeping an eye on are Harwood, Beams and maybe Josh Green.
Rich will improve as will Redden
Colin Sylvia, although an older player now, I think will have a really good year. reviously it has been up to him to get it out of the middle and score some goals, but I think Melbourne have done good recruiting, and now with some big targets in Dawes and Pederson, he could really average 100+ again.
I also Like Harwood from Brisbane. I remember watching him play a game where he fot 140+ and it reminded me of Josh Drummond, and how he set up everything from the backline.
Bulldogs breakout contenders:
The obvious player that couls and should breakout from the dogs is Mitch Wallis.
Was an excellent junior, struggled early, but last year he was consistenly getting over 100. If he cn raise his ceilling a bit I think he could average over 95.
From the Crows I'm tipping Brodie Smith to have a massive year :)
Quote from: Ringo on December 14, 2012, 05:52:17 PM
Another Brisbane player who will be value if he continues his improvement will be Mitch Golby. Injured in round 14 but averaged 82 SC points for the 6 games prior.
Other players from Brisbane worth keeping an eye on are Harwood, Beams and maybe Josh Green.
Rich will improve as will Redden
What sc avg would you predict for Harwood? 75?
Hartlett to average 115 next season and be the highest scoring defender.
Im predicting Daniel Rich to have a good year.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 14, 2012, 06:39:33 PM
The obvious player that couls and should breakout from the dogs is Mitch Wallis.
Was an excellent junior, struggled early, but last year he was consistenly getting over 100. If he cn raise his ceilling a bit I think he could average over 95.
Libba and Cross missed the last part of the year. Koby and Lower could both play in round 1. Clay will get more midfield time. In 2012 Wallis attended a lot of stoppages. The Dogs have added plenry of midfield depth and Wallis' time on ball may decrease as a result. I predict an average of around 90 max. Smith will be more of a breakout contender and rise to 80 but it's pointless to pick him at his price. The most likely picks are Morris, Campbell and Smith. If you count a forward going from 78 to 90 as a breakout then add Higgo to the list.
Quote from: blewy09 on December 14, 2012, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: Ringo on December 14, 2012, 05:52:17 PM
Another Brisbane player who will be value if he continues his improvement will be Mitch Golby. Injured in round 14 but averaged 82 SC points for the 6 games prior.
Other players from Brisbane worth keeping an eye on are Harwood, Beams and maybe Josh Green.
Rich will improve as will Redden
What sc avg would you predict for Harwood? 75?
harwood averaged 72 for the games after he was moved to defence so expect 75 - 80 from him at least which is not bad for a defender,
you guys have a lot of those kinds of players with Golby and Docherty coming on well. Hopefully they don't spoil each others points.
I reckon Harwood could average up to about 80-82/3. Just watching him play he looks like he knows what his doing, but its only his second year.
With the bulldogs, I think their midfield has to step up because Boyd, Cross, Cooney are all older now, so they need to carry the load more. I can't see Higgo averaging 90. With younger midfielders he will be permanent forward, which is a position that he s not a high scorer at.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 14, 2012, 10:16:00 PM
I reckon Harwood could average up to about 80-82/3. Just watching him play he looks like he knows what his doing, but its only his second year.
Harwood has been on the list for 3 years, going in to his 4th year next year. Don't know where you got the info he is only in his second year from...
Second year of playing I meant.
Ah right I get ya. Has played games each year, but this was the first year he got consistent game time.
Yea thats what I meant. Probs wasnt very clear. My bad. But anyway, he will take over Drummond spot I think, with Golby and Docherty helping out and I reckon Hanley might move up the ground a bit.
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 14, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
From the Crows I'm tipping Brodie Smith to have a massive year :)
I really like the look of Smith too.
The top few chances of a break out at each club in my mind. Done according to likelyhood of lifting average significantly, not in order of who will average most overall.
Ade - 1. Wright
2. Henderson
Bris - 1. Hanley
2. Rich
3. Beams
Carl - 1. Yarran
2. Gibbs
3. Curnow
Coll - 1. Blair
2. Fasolo
3. Seedsman
Ess - 1. Melkshem
2. Zaharakis
3. Hardingham
Fre - 1. Mundy
2. Fyfe
3. Morabito
Gee - 1. Christensen
2. Duncan
GC - 1. Swallow
2. Bennel
3. Stanley
4. Dixon
GWS - 1. Hoskin-Eliot
2. Shiel
3. Camerson
4. Hampton
5. Treloar
Haw - 1. Breust
2. Gunsten
Melb - 1. Grimes
2. Howe
3. Trengove
4. Dunn
NM - 1. Swallow
2. Wright
3. Bastinac
PA - 1. Harlett
2. Brad Ebert
3. Heath
Rich - 1. Martin
2. Houli
3. Grimes
StK - 1. Siposs
2. Hickey
3. Saad
Syd - 1. Hanneberry
2. Reid
WC - 1. Gaff
2. Shuey
3. Darling
4. Wellingham
WB - 1. Wallis
2. Young
3. Wood
Quote from: dmac07 on December 15, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
The top few chances of a break out at each club in my mind. Done according to likelyhood of lifting average significantly, not in order of who will average most overall.
Ade - 1. Wright
2. Henderson
Bris - 1. Hanley
2. Rich
3. Beams
Carl - 1. Yarran
2. Gibbs
3. Curnow
Coll - 1. Blair
2. Fasolo
3. Seedsman
Ess - 1. Melkshem
2. Zaharakis
3. Hardingham
Fre - 1. Mundy
2. Fyfe
3. Morabito
Gee - 1. Christensen
2. Duncan
GC - 1. Swallow
2. Bennel
3. Stanley
4. Dixon
GWS - 1. Hoskin-Eliot
2. Shiel
3. Camerson
4. Hampton
5. Treloar
Haw - 1. Breust
2. Gunsten
Melb - 1. Grimes
2. Howe
3. Trengove
4. Dunn
NM - 1. Swallow
2. Wright
3. Bastinac
PA - 1. Harlett
2. Brad Ebert
3. Heath
Rich - 1. Martin
2. Houli
3. Grimes
StK - 1. Siposs
2. Hickey
3. Saad
Syd - 1. Hanneberry
2. Reid
WC - 1. Gaff
2. Shuey
3. Darling
4. Wellingham
WB - 1. Wallis
2. Young
3. Wood
Good effort dmac.
Think Smith will improve more than henderson for the crows.
Collingwood is all wrong there though :P
Ball needs to be up there? Blair I believe will decrease in average, he is getting bumped down the pecking order and with the inclusions of dwyer and k martin, might even lose his spot if he puts in a bad one.
Not sure if seedsman will get games this year either.
Daisy should also improve quite a bit on his last year average and possibly cloke!
I think you could add Armitage to the Saints list, maybe T Hunt to the geelong list.
A few others here and there
Ricky Henderson? I don't know...he seems too inconsistent and has a pretty sore head too i would have thought..
Can he get anymore then a 70 avg?
Quote from: Spite on December 15, 2012, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on December 15, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
The top few chances of a break out at each club in my mind. Done according to likelyhood of lifting average significantly, not in order of who will average most overall.
Good effort dmac.
Think Smith will improve more than henderson for the crows.
Collingwood is all wrong there though :P
Ball needs to be up there? Blair I believe will decrease in average, he is getting bumped down the pecking order and with the inclusions of dwyer and k martin, might even lose his spot if he puts in a bad one.
Not sure if seedsman will get games this year either.
Daisy should also improve quite a bit on his last year average and possibly cloke!
Im not sure seedsman will get games either but if he does think he has real potential. Blair i feel is on the steady improve still.
I think your right about daisy, ball, cloke but didnt really clasify them as break out, as much as 'fallen/cheap premium'. Thinking they will all return to averages of 2011, but not really improve on them. If i considered them break out players, they would all be ahead of the others.
Quote from: blewy09 on December 15, 2012, 05:50:03 PM
Ricky Henderson? I don't know...he seems too inconsistent and has a pretty sore head too i would have thought..
Can he get anymore then a 70 avg?
More on the basis that he could fill a greater role now with tippet gone as a medium/tall forward. Could see him lifting to 85. Wouldnt put the house on it though :)
Henderson might play more in the forward line though because you would presume that Brad Crouch would come into the team fairly early and take some of his midfield time.
Quote from: dmac07 on December 15, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Quote from: Spite on December 15, 2012, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on December 15, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
The top few chances of a break out at each club in my mind. Done according to likelyhood of lifting average significantly, not in order of who will average most overall.
Good effort dmac.
Think Smith will improve more than henderson for the crows.
Collingwood is all wrong there though :P
Ball needs to be up there? Blair I believe will decrease in average, he is getting bumped down the pecking order and with the inclusions of dwyer and k martin, might even lose his spot if he puts in a bad one.
Not sure if seedsman will get games this year either.
Daisy should also improve quite a bit on his last year average and possibly cloke!
Im not sure seedsman will get games either but if he does think he has real potential. Blair i feel is on the steady improve still.
I think your right about daisy, ball, cloke but didnt really clasify them as break out, as much as 'fallen/cheap premium'. Thinking they will all return to averages of 2011, but not really improve on them. If i considered them break out players, they would all be ahead of the others.
But then why are mundy and fyfe listed for freo? :P
they're both mid listed and neither have been true midfield premiums?
Quote from: Spite on December 15, 2012, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on December 15, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Quote from: Spite on December 15, 2012, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on December 15, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
The top few chances of a break out at each club in my mind. Done according to likelyhood of lifting average significantly, not in order of who will average most overall.
Good effort dmac.
Think Smith will improve more than henderson for the crows.
Collingwood is all wrong there though :P
Ball needs to be up there? Blair I believe will decrease in average, he is getting bumped down the pecking order and with the inclusions of dwyer and k martin, might even lose his spot if he puts in a bad one.
Not sure if seedsman will get games this year either.
Daisy should also improve quite a bit on his last year average and possibly cloke!
Im not sure seedsman will get games either but if he does think he has real potential. Blair i feel is on the steady improve still.
I think your right about daisy, ball, cloke but didnt really clasify them as break out, as much as 'fallen/cheap premium'. Thinking they will all return to averages of 2011, but not really improve on them. If i considered them break out players, they would all be ahead of the others.
But then why are mundy and fyfe listed for freo? :P
I think mundy and fyfe can both hit far greater heights then they have before, pushing up to 10points a game higher ave then they have at any time. Thomas i think will lift back to around 1-5, cloke back to 100, and ball to 95, but none pushing real improvements on their best.
Out of 10 whats everyones position on Cloke. 0 being no way not getting him, 10 being a lock.
What about Rory Thompson from GC?
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 15, 2012, 06:22:44 PM
Out of 10 whats everyones position on Cloke. 0 being no way not getting him, 10 being a lock.
7
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 15, 2012, 06:22:44 PM
Out of 10 whats everyones position on Cloke. 0 being no way not getting him, 10 being a lock.
8. Currently in my side on fanplanner but not locked. CAN average 100-105, that being can, not will. But hopeful at his price that he will.
Quote from: dmac07 on December 15, 2012, 06:59:29 PM
Out of 10 whats everyones position on Cloke. 0 being no way not getting him, 10 being a lock.
7.5
Im thinking of getting him to start with, hoping he will start off the year well, then upgrade him to buddy, cause i dont think i will start with buddy next year.
6.5 Medium risk/High Reward
Too many more consistent players for my liking.
Quote from: nichsa673 on December 15, 2012, 10:04:53 PM
Im thinking of getting him to start with, hoping he will start off the year well, then upgrade him to buddy, cause i dont think i will start with buddy next year.
same with me.
having Q-stick/Grundy up there with him should help a bit!
Travis Boak is my smokey to increase his average by 20+.
Boak may well breakout this year, but Scooter's more likely 8)
Trav doesnt have much help around him. Would like to see him break out though.
Dustin Fletcher... if he can overcome the 21st season blues!
I'm starting with 7 rd13 premos and Cloke won't be one of them. Add in a few rd13 rookies and I don't think I would have him before the bye if at all.
Fyfe is the big one for me. He should have gone massive this year but injuries stopped him.
Expect a huge year from the kid
Quote from: Ricochet on December 17, 2012, 01:25:17 PM
Fyfe is the big one for me. He should have gone massive this year but injuries stopped him.
Expect a huge year from the kid
currently my M5 :o
i got mundy at m5 instead of fyfe, but I'm thinking of getting Fyfe as one of my first upgrades